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<v Speaker 1>Good evening, everybody. UH been a call the workshop meeting

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<v Speaker 1>the barcol Barbsolle City Council to order tonight. Uh, I

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<v Speaker 1>wanna welcome everybody. We've got a lot of people here

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<v Speaker 1>tonight to speak. Want everybody get their three minutes in.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're hearing comments that UH people have said before,

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<v Speaker 1>be as expetitious as you can. If you wanna still

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<v Speaker 1>come up and introduce yourself to us and let us

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<v Speaker 1>know who you are and have your comments to be made.

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<v Speaker 1>Bring him forward. We look forward to hearing him. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>have a nice civil conversation tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>We've had these conversations before. We appreciate everybody bringing your

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<v Speaker 1>comments back here to night and we'll work room as

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<v Speaker 1>quickly as you can to night. Uh. I wanna call uh,

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<v Speaker 1>We'll call establishment in a forum.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey La, Mayor Kurt here, nice mayor force hee er,

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<v Speaker 3>mister Patch.

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<v Speaker 1>Here, mister east here.

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<v Speaker 4>Mister Sherry, please have a conflict or something I think

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<v Speaker 4>so very good?

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<v Speaker 1>Item three, Uh invocation of ask uh Uh councilor Kirk

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<v Speaker 1>Patrick pet give our invcation night, appreciate it if you would,

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<v Speaker 1>thanks sure.

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<v Speaker 5>Let's pray.

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<v Speaker 1>Lord.

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<v Speaker 6>Do we ask that your spirit of unity and peace

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<v Speaker 6>would be upon us tonight. We know that these are

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<v Speaker 6>deep waters. We know that these are emotionally high topics.

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<v Speaker 6>We know that every single one of us is coming

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<v Speaker 6>into this conversation with our perspective, with our values, with

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<v Speaker 6>the things that we care deeply about, and the people

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<v Speaker 6>that we care deeply about.

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<v Speaker 5>Lord, help us to keep each.

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<v Speaker 6>Other firmly in mind. May we be focused on the

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<v Speaker 6>good of our community. May that be the thing that

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<v Speaker 6>we were wrestling together towards the betterment of our community,

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<v Speaker 6>even through our disagreements. So may these conversations be productive,

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<v Speaker 6>May they be healthy, and may they be helpful. We

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<v Speaker 6>pray in Jesus name, Amen.

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<v Speaker 1>Very good. I remember four citizens to be heard. So

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<v Speaker 1>we've got people in here and people next door. So

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna call the first two names as best I can.

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<v Speaker 1>So if they're in there, they can come into the

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<v Speaker 1>hallway and be ready. Mispronounced several of 'em. So don't

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<v Speaker 1>yell at me. If I do, just correct me and

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<v Speaker 1>we'll we'll get those people up here and have those

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<v Speaker 1>uh help them speak to us. So first two people

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<v Speaker 1>are Avan Higgs and Angela Wiley.

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<v Speaker 7>Alright, and your name.

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<v Speaker 5>Thank you for thank your city Council and Mayor.

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<v Speaker 8>My name is Avery Higgs A V E R Y

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<v Speaker 8>H I ggs for my friends in the media for

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<v Speaker 8>the back. I am with the Washington County Democratic Party

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<v Speaker 8>as the affirm of Action.

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<v Speaker 5>Officer in Bars of Oklahoma.

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<v Speaker 8>Proposed drag regulations directly violate the First Amendment of the

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<v Speaker 8>Constitution of the United States and the First Amendment of

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<v Speaker 8>Oklahoma's Constitution, which guarantees the freedom of speech and expression.

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<v Speaker 8>Drag performances, like any other forms of artistic expression, are

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<v Speaker 8>protected under the bow of rights. These show ye how.

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<v Speaker 5>Are a way to.

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<v Speaker 8>For individuals to communicate ideas, childd e terratorypes and celebrate

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<v Speaker 8>creativity after bending, blending humor, performancing, performance, art, and cultural commentary.

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<v Speaker 5>Thank you for good Thank you.

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<v Speaker 9>Angela Wiley him my name is Angela Utley U T

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<v Speaker 9>L E Y.

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<v Speaker 10>And I came here to talk about UH.

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<v Speaker 9>I have two trans people in my family, both for

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<v Speaker 9>homeschool conservative homeschools.

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<v Speaker 11>On my aud you know they were.

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<v Speaker 12>The culture did not affect them in this way.

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<v Speaker 13>I believe in by science.

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<v Speaker 4>That being transgender is a physical, biological fact, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>and definitely in these two paces I think it's a

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<v Speaker 4>misnomer to say otherwise, and maybe symmetric patient might help.

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<v Speaker 9>As far as the drag shows, I believe it's a

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<v Speaker 9>freedom of expression. They wear many different layers of clothes.

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<v Speaker 9>Some of the things I've seen online and through some

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<v Speaker 9>of my fellow citizens have been alarming, and I'm quite

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<v Speaker 9>disgusted by the behaviors some of the ulter conservative people.

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<v Speaker 9>I believe Bartisville should be a safe environment for all.

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<v Speaker 9>I believe it is a safe environment with the drag shows.

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<v Speaker 13>In the way they've been presented.

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<v Speaker 9>So UH, I wanna keep my time short, but I'm

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<v Speaker 9>definitely invested in my family in Bartisville, in Oklahoma.

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<v Speaker 10>If for the safety of everyone.

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<v Speaker 9>So with that, I'm concluded, and thank you for hearing me,

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<v Speaker 9>Mayor in the council people of this room.

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<v Speaker 5>Thank thank you for good Thank you.

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<v Speaker 14>Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>The next two will be UH Lachelle Griffin and UH

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<v Speaker 1>Reverend Kelly beck Beckermer What.

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<v Speaker 5>HI first?

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<v Speaker 15>Before I start, I would like to mis tell everybody

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<v Speaker 15>in this room. I love people in general, so I disagree.

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<v Speaker 15>It's because of my own life experiences. But anyhow, and

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<v Speaker 15>I appreciate you, counselmen. I'm just struggling disagree with you

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<v Speaker 15>right now, and I'm about to tell you what great

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<v Speaker 15>proposal for regulation of drag events and public spaces. The

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<v Speaker 15>purpose of this proposal is to request the city council's

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<v Speaker 15>consideration a reasonable time, place, and manner restrictions on public

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<v Speaker 15>drag events, especially those involving children. This is grounded in

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<v Speaker 15>legal precedent, community standards, and a concern for the welfare

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<v Speaker 15>of children and the dignity of women that those times

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<v Speaker 15>of places should not involve common property such as schools, parks,

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<v Speaker 15>or other properties held in common First Amendment Time, place,

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<v Speaker 15>and manner restrictions. The First Amendment allows for reasonable restrictions

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<v Speaker 15>on the time and place and manner of speech. US

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<v Speaker 15>Supreme Court decision and Cox versus New Hampshire nineteen forty

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<v Speaker 15>one established that such restrictions are conditionally permissible. What the

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<v Speaker 15>First Amendment does not allow. The First Amendment doesn't allow

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<v Speaker 15>speech that incites illegal activity or violence. We've had city

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<v Speaker 15>councilors against drag threatened with acts of violence. Billy Rode

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<v Speaker 15>Trevor Dorsey both received attacks, and we have new attacks

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<v Speaker 15>coming towards our two newest counselors, our third one doesn't

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<v Speaker 15>seem to be heard of one also defamation. You cannot

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<v Speaker 15>defeme people. There's alabel in a standard. There's much with

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<v Speaker 15>drag that defames women as provocative dancers.

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<v Speaker 5>Obscenity does not allowed.

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<v Speaker 15>The average person would find the material appeals to interests

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<v Speaker 15>when you hand out dollar bills to tip. The material

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<v Speaker 15>depicts sexual contact in paternively offensive way. Material lacks serious, literary, artistic, political,

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<v Speaker 15>or scientific value. We can easily attest that the average

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<v Speaker 15>person would view Drey to have purient interest. Number four

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<v Speaker 15>child exploitation and obscene material involving minors New York versus

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<v Speaker 15>Favor in nineteen eighty two. You can also look.

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<v Speaker 1>At Miller.

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<v Speaker 15>Funding words speech that is personally abusive and likely to

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<v Speaker 15>provoke an immediately violent response. Nope, the threats The city

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<v Speaker 15>councils has received true threats speech that constitutes a truth threat,

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<v Speaker 15>such as threats of violence against specific groups. The City

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<v Speaker 15>Council on September third, twenty twenty five voted that this

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<v Speaker 15>event brings a threat to the community and ordered police

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<v Speaker 15>to be president of.

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<v Speaker 5>The event, so they set up presidents.

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<v Speaker 15>Then I was personally threatened online for disagreement with this stuff.

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<v Speaker 15>Threatened to be abused, and I've already part of the

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<v Speaker 15>reason up against it is because of grooming.

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<v Speaker 5>I experienced it personally.

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<v Speaker 1>I show you're three minutes through and can you wrap

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<v Speaker 1>it up?

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<v Speaker 5>Yep? I can't.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 5>So, by understanding with the First Amendment.

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<v Speaker 15>Does not a lot of governments and communities can responsibly

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<v Speaker 15>regulate public events or speech while still respectfully respecting constitutional rights.

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<v Speaker 15>This retort proposal is not an attack on any specific group,

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<v Speaker 15>but a call to uphold community values, protect children, and

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<v Speaker 15>ensure public events are conducted responsibly where respectfully.

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<v Speaker 5>Urish the city.

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<v Speaker 15>Council to consider the fooling required drag events to be

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<v Speaker 15>held indoors and charge security fees to your organizers. Prohibit

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<v Speaker 15>children from attending drag events in public spaces. Align regulations

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<v Speaker 15>with existing community standards. I've sent you, guys an attachment

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<v Speaker 15>that clearly outlines all of that, and I will make.

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<v Speaker 5>It publicly available on Facebook for people to yell at me.

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<v Speaker 1>Kelly Becker, and after her will be Hillary clumpland okay,

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<v Speaker 1>and then Spencer Bradley. Bradley if they're next door, excuse.

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<v Speaker 13>Me, go ahead, what do you mean, I'm reverend Kelly Becker.

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<v Speaker 3>I appreciate so much your uh willingness to listen to

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<v Speaker 3>the citizens on this issue.

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<v Speaker 13>Some of you have heard me talk about this for

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<v Speaker 13>and so uh my opinions won't be new to you.

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<v Speaker 1>I UH think that.

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<v Speaker 13>My frustration with this entire conversation in Bartlesville is that

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<v Speaker 13>of four years, drag queens have been part of Pride.

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<v Speaker 3>Celebrations, not only in Bartlesville but all over the country.

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<v Speaker 3>And this became a problem in Bartlesville during a campaign.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh and uh someone who was running for city council

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<v Speaker 3>used this issue to divide the community and quite frankly,

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<v Speaker 3>we haven't recovered since we've been arguing about this for

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<v Speaker 3>two years.

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<v Speaker 13>People are are being threatened over it. I have been threatened.

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<v Speaker 3>Members of my church have been threatened. Our church has

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<v Speaker 3>been protested. And so when we talk about we're we

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<v Speaker 3>wanna have a civilized conversation around this, I don't think

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<v Speaker 3>there's a problem having a civilized conversation.

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<v Speaker 13>We've been trying to do that for a couple of years.

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<v Speaker 3>But I don't want us to forget that drag is

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<v Speaker 3>part of the LGBTQIA plus culture and has been forever.

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<v Speaker 3>That's not the problem. The LGBTQ plus community is not

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<v Speaker 3>the problem. Drag queens are not the problem. The problem

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<v Speaker 3>is a lack of hospitality for.

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<v Speaker 13>People who are different from us, and that is what

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<v Speaker 13>we need to address.

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<v Speaker 3>And I really really hope that that would be something

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<v Speaker 3>that the city Council would think about as you are

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<v Speaker 3>making decisions about ordinances and about the way in which

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<v Speaker 3>we should proceed. I would hope that you would have

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<v Speaker 3>in mind that some of us who have been part

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<v Speaker 3>of this conversation for years have been getting threats for years.

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<v Speaker 3>Some of us who have been part of this conversation

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<v Speaker 3>for years have spent a lot of time talking to

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<v Speaker 3>other people and trying to understand other viewpoints, and so

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<v Speaker 3>I I ask you to keep in mind the unity

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<v Speaker 3>of our city and to keep in mind that we

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<v Speaker 3>all have work to do listening to one another kids.

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<v Speaker 13>But I think the problem is the lack of hospitality

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<v Speaker 13>for people who disagree with us, and I hope that

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<v Speaker 13>you will address it.

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<v Speaker 1>That it's Hillary, Yeah, it's Hillary Camp. You're good.

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<v Speaker 12>I think you very tight.

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<v Speaker 10>I love living in bartles Hilly. Do I think we

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<v Speaker 10>have a really special place here on the prairie. We

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<v Speaker 10>have a beautiful study.

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<v Speaker 13>We have lovely neighbors do.

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<v Speaker 16>We have a vibrant community that is growing and thriving,

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<v Speaker 16>and we are truly at our best when we make

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<v Speaker 16>space for everyone in our in our community. And I

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<v Speaker 16>see on UH the an upcoming discussion point on the

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<v Speaker 16>agenda as relating to adult oriented entertainment in public spaces,

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<v Speaker 16>and so if we're going to talk about adult oriented

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<v Speaker 16>entertainment in public spaces, I really wanna address that as

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<v Speaker 16>a member of the Bartisvilla.

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<v Speaker 10>Quality Board, because we do have UH public drag performances

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<v Speaker 16>As a mother of two boys who I love very

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<v Speaker 16>Of what we're being accused of doing in public because

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<v Speaker 16>our drive performance as a Pride that our public and

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<v Speaker 16>open to children are not adult themed whatsoever. It's an

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<v Speaker 16>the same level of UH someone in a costume as

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<v Speaker 16>watch the Batman Show when there's someone on a zip

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<v Speaker 10>I don't want to hear anything about it.

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<v Speaker 16>Valve Kilmer Batman is one of my very favorites, and

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<v Speaker 16>so when you look at the drag performances that we're.

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<v Speaker 10>Doing in public with children, it.

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<v Speaker 16>Would do the same as when people in superhero costumes

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<v Speaker 11>Cancer Awards, for example.

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<v Speaker 10>Like it's that same level of costuming and play.

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<v Speaker 16>It's just a little bit different colors it's and I

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<v Speaker 16>an appropriate way.

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<v Speaker 10>So this last this last Pride, we were very careful

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<v Speaker 16>It was all radio edits. We were very careful, and

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<v Speaker 16>the movements that the drag Queens UH performed, we were

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<v Speaker 16>all very careful because so many of us have children

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<v Speaker 16>and we wanna make sure that we aren't doing anything

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<v Speaker 16>inappropriate because we do understand children. My background is in

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<v Speaker 16>theater and costuming, and so this is d just another

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<v Speaker 16>expression of play. And so I just I really want

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<v Speaker 16>to push back on the idea that the drag performances

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<v Speaker 16>that Barnesville Whality is hosted in public our adult oriented,

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<v Speaker 16>because they truly have not been and You've been very

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<v Speaker 16>careful about that. Do we have twenty one and over

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<v Speaker 16>events that are drive focused? Of course, would we ever

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<v Speaker 16>let a child and that obviously not, But that's not

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<v Speaker 16>what this is. So I just encourage you to consider

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<v Speaker 16>that as we move forward and make space for this beautiful,

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<v Speaker 10>So thank you so much for your time, and I

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<v Speaker 1>Good Thank you, thank you. Uh that's your brandly Brandly, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you, and behind him will be uh Noah Meadows,

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<v Speaker 1>let's see. Thanks. I've heard of this brandly.

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<v Speaker 17>It was my first time coming since I was a

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<v Speaker 5>I have a statement.

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<v Speaker 17>Drag performances are a form of artistic expression that celebrate creativity, inclusivity,

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<v Speaker 17>and self expression. The proposed ordinance claims to protect children,

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<v Speaker 17>but it raises serious concerns about free speech and parental rights.

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<v Speaker 17>I went to the drag performance. It was my first

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<v Speaker 17>one I'd ever gone to this last this last summer.

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<v Speaker 5>It was fun.

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<v Speaker 18>I was there with my four children.

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<v Speaker 17>We go to Bartlesville schools. We live in this community.

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<v Speaker 17>We go to the parks, and we also went to

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<v Speaker 17>the drag performance.

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<v Speaker 5>It was a lot of fun.

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<v Speaker 17>They danced, they sang, we had some treats. There was

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<v Speaker 17>a bounce house. It wasn't dangerous. Nobody was groomed. In fact,

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<v Speaker 17>you could all look it up right now. See if

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<v Speaker 17>you've ever found a case.

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<v Speaker 18>Of grooming at a drag event or anything crime.

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<v Speaker 5>Related at a drag event.

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<v Speaker 17>Kay, there's just not evidence for that.

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<v Speaker 5>It doesn't happen. So I am all four protecting children.

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<v Speaker 18>Like I said, I have four of them.

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<v Speaker 17>But this this proposal, Sorry I got off script, this proposal.

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<v Speaker 17>I'm sorry, I don't have the I don't have it

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<v Speaker 17>right up with me. It was basically saying that we're

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<v Speaker 17>worried that maybe the kids would feel bad about themselves

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<v Speaker 17>and get depressed if they saw a drag report performance.

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<v Speaker 17>That's how I understood the reading, which I think is

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<v Speaker 17>just pretty ridiculous. There's a lot of other things that

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<v Speaker 17>are more depressing about a than a drag performance. For example,

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<v Speaker 17>my children might be worried about going to school sometimes,

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<v Speaker 17>and if that's safe and every day I walk my

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<v Speaker 5>That could also cause a lot of.

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<v Speaker 19>Depression and anxiety regarding going to school. But nobody's talking

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<v Speaker 19>about banning school. How do you, well, I guess some

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<v Speaker 17>My point is there's a lot of things it could

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<v Speaker 17>make somebody depressed, and going to a drag event, in

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<v Speaker 17>my experience, is not one of them.

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<v Speaker 5>It was fun. My kids loved it.

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<v Speaker 20>We had a great time.

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<v Speaker 17>Everyone there was happy, face is painted, flamboyant outfits.

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<v Speaker 5>It was fun. Let me see if I have anything else.

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<v Speaker 5>I see I have some extra time.

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<v Speaker 17>Restricting drag events harms our communities, cultural vibrancy, and local

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<v Speaker 17>economy by chilling artistic expression and discouraging events that foster inclusivity.

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<v Speaker 7>I moved to Bartlesville on purpose.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm not from here.

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<v Speaker 17>I lived about an hour away and we were always

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<v Speaker 17>coming to Bartlesville for events like the Christmas Parade and

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<v Speaker 17>the u A Fun Fat the Summer SunFest. So we

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<v Speaker 17>like Barnsville and we wanted to be a place where

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<v Speaker 17>people can come, be happy, have fun. In my opinion,

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<v Speaker 17>it's a great family activity to go to the drag event,

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<v Speaker 17>and I want Bartlesville to stay a family.

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<v Speaker 1>Friendly place and allow.

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<v Speaker 5>Artistic expression.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank your people, Thank you, pry no One, n Noah,

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<v Speaker 1>Noah met my name is Noa will Be and Franklin.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, thank you.

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<v Speaker 21>I wanna introduce myself to you all. Some of you

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<v Speaker 21>already know me, some of you may not. My father

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<v Speaker 21>his name was Bernard Meadows, Bernie Meadows. He was a

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<v Speaker 21>vibrant member of this community who spoke out often for

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<v Speaker 21>many marginalized voices, and he showed up in many networking

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<v Speaker 21>and nonprofit volunteer ways. And one thing that he did

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<v Speaker 21>relentlessly was show up for queer youth in trans youth.

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<v Speaker 21>I came out at the age of fifteen here in

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<v Speaker 21>this town in twenty eleven, and I was scared, and

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<v Speaker 21>I was depressed, and I was alone. I felt so

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<v Speaker 21>alone because I didn't know anybody who else was trans.

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<v Speaker 21>And I think it's really important that we have events

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<v Speaker 21>like public drag where it's a really beautiful f showcase

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<v Speaker 21>of self expression and just vionrant art and enjoy.

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<v Speaker 13>The first drag show.

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<v Speaker 21>I ever attended was actually at the Open Arms Youth Project,

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<v Speaker 21>which is now defunct in Tulsa. It was one of

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<v Speaker 21>the first spaces I ever got to exist in where

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<v Speaker 21>I saw other people like me, and it helped me

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<v Speaker 21>continue to fight to be in this life. To put

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<v Speaker 21>it very succinctly, and sorry if it's too blunt for

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<v Speaker 21>the city halls, but without seeing others like me, and

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<v Speaker 21>without seeing the freedom of expression that people can enjoy

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<v Speaker 21>and their self expression, I simply would not be here

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<v Speaker 21>because I was incredibly suicidal.

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<v Speaker 11>And I think it's so important. I think it's so

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<v Speaker 11>important that mean have these spaces.

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<v Speaker 21>Where p people can see people like them and rep

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<v Speaker 21>I had prepared a whole like list of bullet points

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<v Speaker 21>to to go back to, but I don't think I'm

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<v Speaker 21>going to that right now. But also at the end

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<v Speaker 21>of the day, drag has been around since sh Shakespeare's time, right,

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<v Speaker 21>Drag has always been a form of.

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<v Speaker 11>Art that we have used and y I will say,

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<v Speaker 11>back in Shakespeare's time it was.

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<v Speaker 21>Also probably used in very misogynistic ways because it was

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<v Speaker 21>used to keep women out of theater for.

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<v Speaker 11>A while as well.

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<v Speaker 21>But now it is not exclusive to gender, it's not

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<v Speaker 21>exclusive to sexuality, it's not exclusive to religion. It is

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<v Speaker 21>something that anybody from any walk of life can find

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<v Speaker 21>themselves in, and I think it's really important that we

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<v Speaker 21>recognize that it's not this overarching bad experience where somebody

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<v Speaker 21>could be roomed, because, let's be honest, you could.

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<v Speaker 11>Honestly, I was groomed.

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<v Speaker 21>By my straight mother, by my straight mother who brought

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<v Speaker 21>strangers into the house, and no one was in drag.

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<v Speaker 11>No one was in drag, and I was still hard.

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<v Speaker 11>She lost custody of me. But you know that is

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<v Speaker 11>what that is.

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<v Speaker 15>I'm sorry going on, I didn't no one, no one.

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<v Speaker 22>She's speaking while people are speaking, is it clemmin rule.

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<v Speaker 22>I believe that the mayor called for respect in this

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<v Speaker 22>and respect me sitting quiet and while I'm just talk.

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<v Speaker 21>Thank you, thank you to them, and thank you for

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<v Speaker 21>your time. I had a closing moment that I it's

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<v Speaker 21>lost now, but thank you for your time. I believe

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<v Speaker 21>that drag should be something that we should be able

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<v Speaker 21>to experience and express. And I think that the youth

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<v Speaker 21>should be able to see themselves and the adults because

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<v Speaker 21>they are the ones who inherit the earth. They are

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<v Speaker 21>the one who inherit this planet, and what we leave,

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<v Speaker 21>we should leave it better than we've had it.

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<v Speaker 7>Thank you so much, thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, and Franklin and after that both, uh, vere

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<v Speaker 1>your bad?

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<v Speaker 13>What are your pretty?

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<v Speaker 1>Well?

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<v Speaker 13>Experien excited?

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<v Speaker 5>Oh excuse me?

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<v Speaker 13>Hello everyone, I hope you've all been staying warm. It's

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<v Speaker 13>been pretty cold.

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<v Speaker 23>I've a Franklin, the founder and coorizer of Back Bartlesviil

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<v Speaker 23>Accepting Community Coalition, where a support.

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<v Speaker 24>Network in Bartlesville, just trying to make sure people can

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<v Speaker 24>find each other and have community.

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<v Speaker 13>And as we all, as we've all gathered here today, I'd.

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<v Speaker 23>Like us to take a moment to ask ourselves why

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<v Speaker 23>what are we here to discuss? Really, like what clothes

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<v Speaker 23>we're allowed to wear depending on our gender, or whether

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<v Speaker 23>we're allowed to hold public gatherings. If not, everybody in

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<v Speaker 23>our community would enjoy the entertainment. These questions have already

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<v Speaker 23>been discussed and were answered two hundred and thirty four

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<v Speaker 23>years ago with the First Amendment that includes the freedom

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<v Speaker 23>of speech and assembly. So I ask the City.

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<v Speaker 24>Council to do your duty in protecting the First Comendment

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<v Speaker 24>rights of all Barble School residents, regardless of their gender

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<v Speaker 24>or sexual orientation, because.

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<v Speaker 23>Regulations on gender based stressed are unconstitutional, legally unenforceable, and

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<v Speaker 23>only serve to divide us as the Barbascool City fumble

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<v Speaker 23>Will Attorney has advised you attempting to van or regulate

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<v Speaker 23>public drag performances will only result in costly legal.

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<v Speaker 24>Battles for the City of Barblesville, and that would be

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<v Speaker 24>both a waste valuable financial resources that could better serve

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<v Speaker 24>our community, but it would also further the negative national

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<v Speaker 24>attention the city has already faced in the wake of

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<v Speaker 24>its previous.

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<v Speaker 13>Attempts on a previous attacks on free speech.

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<v Speaker 24>There attempts to bar the to US LGBTQI plus community

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<v Speaker 24>from using public spaces.

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<v Speaker 12>The nation is watching Bartlesville, and we're better than this.

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<v Speaker 23>We should be coming together on over common ground and

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<v Speaker 23>working towards our community in.

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<v Speaker 12>General, and not squabbling on differences.

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<v Speaker 10>We can all share public spaces and just be together

435
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<v Speaker 10>as a community.

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<v Speaker 24>So I ask that you protect our person in the

437
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<v Speaker 24>rights and vote against any attempts to end or regularly

438
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<v Speaker 24>drag in our city's public spaces.

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<v Speaker 13>Thank you for your time.

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<v Speaker 5>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>Jeh uh no a Volta beer mm and behind her

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<v Speaker 1>will be Shuana and Shiuana Shauna. Shana Yeah, okay, Shana,

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<v Speaker 1>very good.

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<v Speaker 12>Hello.

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<v Speaker 11>I'm Volta of the orphic sector of old query.

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<v Speaker 25>And I'm here today not to defend drag, but to

447
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<v Speaker 25>highlight the reason it is being attact in the first place.

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<v Speaker 25>One of the core characteristics of fascism is the need

449
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<v Speaker 25>to simplify the world, to simplify the world past point

450
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<v Speaker 25>of reality, to create a narrative equivalent to a children's

451
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<v Speaker 25>picture book and its insights, Not one that would be

452
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<v Speaker 25>read at a drag story hour, but one designed as

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<v Speaker 25>a pure product underpinning it's regalia. Vashism is a hollow

454
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<v Speaker 25>ideology designed only to lull people into a child childish,

455
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<v Speaker 25>dreamless sleep, so that they do not notice the true

456
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<v Speaker 25>runers of society, the very heartless, who proliferate its cognitive distortion.

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<v Speaker 10>But for what purpose?

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<v Speaker 25>We cannot take them at their word. That much has

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<v Speaker 25>been true as long as their thought pattern has had

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<v Speaker 25>a name, So we turn to a material analysis. Fascism

461
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<v Speaker 25>as a system arises in times of economic decline, when

462
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<v Speaker 25>the well of colonial spoils runs dry. In these times,

463
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<v Speaker 25>the hegemonic structures of power are vulnerable to be overtaken

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<v Speaker 25>by new systems. Subjects of the imperial core. In this case,

465
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<v Speaker 25>the United States become disaffected and start to question the

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<v Speaker 25>legitimacy of structures of power that rule them and the

467
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<v Speaker 25>narratives sold by those structures of power. This has happened

468
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<v Speaker 25>countless times on a global scale, and so there need

469
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<v Speaker 25>be an immune defense for hegemonic power. In the United States,

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<v Speaker 25>we are sold the idea that we live in a

471
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<v Speaker 25>meritocracy where hard work and perseverance will guarantee you stability.

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<v Speaker 25>We are sold the idea that freedom is freedom to

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<v Speaker 25>serve whatever master you like. We are sold the American dream.

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<v Speaker 25>We are sold on a dissonant nonsense, and the price

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<v Speaker 25>we pay is a imagination. Many Americans are recognizing for

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<v Speaker 25>the first time that they have not been granted that

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<v Speaker 25>success and stability.

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<v Speaker 5>Promised to us.

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<v Speaker 25>Nobody could buy a house. The vast majority are one

480
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<v Speaker 25>of two miss paychecks away from homelessness. The meritocracy melts

481
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<v Speaker 25>away as the brightest, the hardest working who are out

482
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<v Speaker 25>on the street and are out on the street, and

483
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<v Speaker 25>the highest offices are occupied those who were by those

484
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<v Speaker 25>who were born into the upper class, many of which

485
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<v Speaker 25>who have never broken sweat and work, have never broken

486
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<v Speaker 25>ground and intellectual thinking. Like Elon Musk. People are angry.

487
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<v Speaker 25>There is an answer to why this country precedes the

488
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<v Speaker 25>way it does. You were never in the club to

489
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<v Speaker 25>reap the benefits of its system. Even those print privileged

490
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<v Speaker 25>by our institutionalized bigotry are given of pitiance, while the

491
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<v Speaker 25>fruits of their labor are sent off to someone.

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<v Speaker 5>They have not and will not ever meet.

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<v Speaker 25>But that knowledge is dangerous to hegemonic power. To be

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<v Speaker 25>able to describe the shape of our exploitation is to

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<v Speaker 25>be able to deconstruct it, to turn it over, to

496
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<v Speaker 25>discard it, and so the blame is shifted. For Germany,

497
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<v Speaker 25>it was the anarchist, the communists, the socialists, the queer,

498
00:27:56.480 --> 00:27:59.839
<v Speaker 25>the Romani, and of course the Jewish. The specific idea

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<v Speaker 25>of the enemy is not so important as there is

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<v Speaker 25>one one that does not have the societal political power

501
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<v Speaker 25>to fight back. The enemy is characterized as dangerous, all

502
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<v Speaker 25>powerful on a fundamental level for their difference from the norm,

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<v Speaker 25>but also weak and incapable.

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<v Speaker 7>The world is compressed into a narrative. It is not

505
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<v Speaker 7>the system we live under that is broken.

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<v Speaker 25>It will work exactly as intended, and you will flourish

507
00:28:21.680 --> 00:28:24.480
<v Speaker 25>so long as we defeat our enemy. Mouthpieces for this

508
00:28:24.640 --> 00:28:28.839
<v Speaker 25>story are a plenty, but so are its internal inconsistencies, failures,

509
00:28:29.000 --> 00:28:30.720
<v Speaker 25>it's fractured foundational breakages.

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<v Speaker 7>Fascism is an ideology of complete collapse.

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<v Speaker 25>So walking blindfolded into apocalypse, whooping and hollering about eradicating

512
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<v Speaker 25>its manufactured enemy. To the fascists in this room. You

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<v Speaker 25>may not understand you are a fascist because you are

514
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<v Speaker 25>never educated.

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<v Speaker 5>On what the word means.

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<v Speaker 25>But you are incontrovertibly a fascist. Your ideology will inevitably fail.

517
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<v Speaker 25>You still have time to question it and not doom

518
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<v Speaker 25>yourself to be ridiculed in the pages of history. Hanging

519
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<v Speaker 25>around with your good friend Mussolini. O, thank you, thank you,

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<v Speaker 25>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>La in the doorway behind her, and will be Jim

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<v Speaker 1>Henley behind.

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<v Speaker 26>I am a homeowner downtown Bartlesville. We moved here with

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<v Speaker 26>the greatest optimism. We were looking for a community of

525
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<v Speaker 26>people that believed in things that were valuable to us.

526
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<v Speaker 26>We came for the one hundred Miles sale, and we

527
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<v Speaker 26>came here for every street we had the downtown Fourth

528
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<v Speaker 26>of July Fest.

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<v Speaker 11>It was incredible.

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<v Speaker 12>We came to pride.

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<v Speaker 11>I would want to start I was.

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<v Speaker 26>I have been in some form of ministry since I

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<v Speaker 26>was eleven years old, and I want to thank each

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<v Speaker 26>and every one of you for the service that you

535
00:29:43.640 --> 00:29:46.279
<v Speaker 26>give our community for safety and doing your very best.

536
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<v Speaker 12>It's hard to know what to do.

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<v Speaker 26>It's even harder to know that we don't know what

538
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<v Speaker 26>is the right thing for everyone to keep us all safe.

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<v Speaker 12>I learned from a three year old child.

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<v Speaker 26>I was in ministry, very fundamentalist, and I I have

541
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<v Speaker 26>lived for three things, my family, my community, and my God.

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<v Speaker 12>And I learned from a three year old in a

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<v Speaker 12>very awkward Christmas dinner.

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<v Speaker 26>Of course, all of my family are hunters, were all

545
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<v Speaker 26>in camouflage and everybody's ready to do the after Christmas hunt.

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<v Speaker 26>And my brother that is an openly a man brought

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<v Speaker 26>his partner with them and as we were preparing the meal,

548
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<v Speaker 26>he was.

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<v Speaker 12>Male presenting and we love this man.

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<v Speaker 26>Greatest thing came to dinner in full drag and I

551
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<v Speaker 26>was a brand new moment and a pastor in a

552
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<v Speaker 26>very very small western Kansas town. I saw this child

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<v Speaker 26>change the heart of an entire table with a softness

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<v Speaker 26>of heart. And what it came through was questions and

555
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<v Speaker 26>understanding and an open heart willing to understand something that

556
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<v Speaker 26>didn't make sense.

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<v Speaker 11>We had an entire.

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<v Speaker 26>Table, a very conservative thought learning from a child, and

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<v Speaker 26>I ask you, and I beg each and every one

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<v Speaker 26>of you.

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<v Speaker 12>To find the people that need a voice. Each of

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<v Speaker 12>you signed up for this.

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<v Speaker 26>Job to do right by our our community, and there

564
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<v Speaker 26>is an entire section that is being left out.

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<v Speaker 12>Please protect our culture. Drag is what keeps us alive.

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<v Speaker 26>We have queer kids over the entire city of Bartlesville

567
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<v Speaker 26>that are too scared to exist. And if you make

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<v Speaker 26>a change for us, if you make a change and

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<v Speaker 26>say that this is something important, just like you would

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<v Speaker 26>at a powow, if you take the bell dresses out,

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<v Speaker 26>is that.

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<v Speaker 11>Powow as beautiful?

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<v Speaker 13>No, it's not.

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<v Speaker 12>Drag needs to stay. Needs to stay because we need

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<v Speaker 12>a place.

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<v Speaker 26>To be who we are, and those babies as they're

577
00:31:33.559 --> 00:31:35.920
<v Speaker 26>coming up need to see what it is to be

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<v Speaker 26>proud of whatever identity that you're born with.

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<v Speaker 12>I thank you for your time, you all, and I

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<v Speaker 12>thank you for your.

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<v Speaker 26>Diligence and your commitment to finding an answer and opening

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<v Speaker 26>this up for our community.

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<v Speaker 12>You guys matter, conservative or not, and it is time

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<v Speaker 12>and we get this crap out of the way so

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<v Speaker 12>that we.

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<v Speaker 26>Can support each other as neighbors because we are one Bartlesville,

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<v Speaker 26>and we can't break off in pieces because that's when

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<v Speaker 26>we're weak, that's when our community is less effective. Thank

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<v Speaker 26>you for your time, guys. I appreciate you, and thank

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<v Speaker 26>you for letting us all have space to talk. I

591
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<v Speaker 26>know it is hard to be here and I know

592
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<v Speaker 26>you guys are showing up for the job every day.

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<v Speaker 26>Thank you for keeping us safe. Thank you for fighting

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<v Speaker 26>for our rights, and please protect drive for our community.

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<v Speaker 11>They appreciate your God.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you telling UH Jim Henley and after that Mr

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<v Speaker 1>Raver oh M.

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<v Speaker 27>Henley and said, I'm gonna do it in Martinville. I

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<v Speaker 27>guess I'm gonna have to up set that before.

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<v Speaker 1>B I B L E.

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<v Speaker 27>Basic construction before leave me nerves. We know from UH

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<v Speaker 27>first grade through sixty nine talk about the people that

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<v Speaker 27>went a lot Inherent Kingdom of God, Coornericaters, the Bilers

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<v Speaker 27>and reverence, and you go go one to say they

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<v Speaker 27>have family. If you listen in the dictionary that as

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<v Speaker 27>a male or female traits is you're ona be twenty

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<v Speaker 27>two five. God says a man shall a lot wear

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<v Speaker 27>females clothes. Females, of course, you shall not wear men's clothes.

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<v Speaker 14>If you do.

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<v Speaker 27>It's an abomination under your board nomination and dictionary. One

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<v Speaker 27>of 'em is extreme hatreds the preachers and preach and

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<v Speaker 27>congregations and thebody else that just stuff is all right,

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<v Speaker 27>God says again, you shall not inherit the king. It

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<v Speaker 27>says that anybody that practice abomination aligned or shall not inherit.

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<v Speaker 27>You go home and say that all liars shall have

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<v Speaker 27>their part in the lake of fire. Thank God, we've

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<v Speaker 27>got a new secretary offense, and you'd already have a

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<v Speaker 27>the CRT, the White supremacy, the DEEI and drag queen

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<v Speaker 27>shows the military in the military anywhere in the service,

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<v Speaker 27>cut service, cutments. We've also got a president today said

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<v Speaker 27>he will not allow the transgenders into the military. We

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<v Speaker 27>need men and not men to think they're women, and

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<v Speaker 27>we need women that not women that think they're men.

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<v Speaker 5>Now, this stuff is all unforgivable.

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<v Speaker 28>It's not.

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<v Speaker 7>It's not the unforgivable sin.

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<v Speaker 1>If you have a choice.

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<v Speaker 27>This lady here said, well, we don't know what's right

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<v Speaker 27>and what's wrong. Well, that's why the five are basically

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<v Speaker 27>construction for leaving the others. It tells you exactly what

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<v Speaker 27>it is. And God also gives their warnings. And Zebral

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<v Speaker 27>three eighteen he says that if I see somebody in

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<v Speaker 27>their sin.

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<v Speaker 20>Or that were wicked, and this stuff is wicked, that's

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<v Speaker 20>what God says.

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<v Speaker 1>Not me, what God says.

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<v Speaker 27>And and you do not burn them and they die,

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<v Speaker 27>their blood will be on your hands.

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<v Speaker 1>Now there, you do want them to die, you're covered.

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<v Speaker 27>And even Zebral two bus verse five and seven and

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<v Speaker 27>three eleven say tell 'em whether they listen or not,

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<v Speaker 27>just remember.

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<v Speaker 5>When you can done what God condemns you. Just thank

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<v Speaker 5>thank you, thank you for telling very good.

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<v Speaker 1>Mister Raven. And after that will be uh, Devin Williams.

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<v Speaker 29>Mayor members of the council, Joel the malicious liar according

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<v Speaker 29>to your city at Trinity. He's smiling, he thinks it's funny.

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<v Speaker 14>Uh.

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<v Speaker 29>By the way, surprise, we have a new federal government.

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<v Speaker 29>In case anyone missed it, So why don't you guys

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<v Speaker 29>try to get over it. Although you must have known

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<v Speaker 29>there would be an overcapacity crowd for this meeting tonight,

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<v Speaker 29>you chose instead to have this meeting in this small room.

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<v Speaker 29>There are now a lot of people in the council

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<v Speaker 29>room next door.

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<v Speaker 5>Got a count on it. There are a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>Could that be.

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<v Speaker 29>Because you probably would have had to televise this meeting

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<v Speaker 29>if it was held in the big council room, sort

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<v Speaker 29>of like the public had no idea. Yeah, the city

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<v Speaker 29>attorney would make a major one hour PowerPoint presentation on

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<v Speaker 29>drag queen shows at the council's December fifth orientation meeting

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<v Speaker 29>or incoming council members.

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<v Speaker 1>How woke?

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<v Speaker 29>And how about telling the people who were here wearing

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<v Speaker 29>masks to take them off?

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<v Speaker 5>Alright, you guys have a good evening. Thanks, thanks, Oh no.

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<v Speaker 18>Clapping, amazing, right, thank you, jel welcomes Devin Williams.

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<v Speaker 1>And after mister Williams his homer Neppington.

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<v Speaker 22>Alright, I'm Devin Williams. They he uh, I wanna say

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<v Speaker 22>this about this word? That's uh, it's silly, alright, and

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00:36:49.199 --> 00:36:53.119
<v Speaker 22>you were all a bunch of silly east then even

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<v Speaker 22>cealier flog.

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<v Speaker 30>H.

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<v Speaker 22>Bartlesville is saturated with a vacant kind of apathy, a

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<v Speaker 22>vicious denial that glorifies self deception. This my asthma of

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<v Speaker 22>respectability in this small town provides a pungent smoke screen

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<v Speaker 22>for the idyllic white mediocrity that is the Bartlesville City Council.

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<v Speaker 5>This apathy submits.

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<v Speaker 22>To a delusion of grandeur, of fiction that Bartlesville is

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<v Speaker 22>anything less than.

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00:37:37.000 --> 00:37:41.880
<v Speaker 5>An American nightmare. I feel the best representation of Bartlesville

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<v Speaker 5>or the.

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<v Speaker 22>Circumstances of April sixteenth through the seventeenth, twenty twenty four,

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<v Speaker 22>that occurred at the Hillcrest Country Club on this day,

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00:37:53.559 --> 00:37:58.239
<v Speaker 22>little Liam Rowland, an autistic child, drowned in.

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<v Speaker 5>A golf course water trap.

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<v Speaker 22>This tragedy represents a systemic act of abuse, where the

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<v Speaker 22>most vulnerable people in this community drowned in polluted waters

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<v Speaker 22>dug up by privileged white men and women so they

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<v Speaker 22>can play meaningless games with the existences.

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<v Speaker 5>Of us oppress. If you, we all will be held accountable.

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<v Speaker 22>Bartlesville is white, Sir Francis, Bartlesville is queer folding.

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<v Speaker 5>Barblesville is capitalistic. Barblesville is America.

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<v Speaker 1>Homer Neppington, and after Homer Nepington is uh, Reverend Tammy Schmidt.

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<v Speaker 5>Think any even counsel?

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<v Speaker 28>Where's administrators? Magistrates? I also live in Barblesville.

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<v Speaker 14>I'm a believer, confessing Christian, and I'm here as a

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<v Speaker 14>contender as.

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<v Speaker 1>Or all of us.

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<v Speaker 14>I have been involved in this effort for quite a

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<v Speaker 14>few years beyond what I ventured into a year in marbles.

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<v Speaker 28>My granddaughter, their identity is now different.

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<v Speaker 5>She's of the LGBTQ plus belief.

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<v Speaker 28>Yeah. She has also encountered numerous hardships.

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<v Speaker 14>I stand as a man sometimes called a toxic male,

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<v Speaker 14>but I have raised a family, and I've been in

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<v Speaker 14>debris fields.

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<v Speaker 28>I've been in battlefields from.

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<v Speaker 14>California to the Philippines. I've seen cultural divisiveness. And let

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<v Speaker 14>me just say, when everyone talks about love, it has

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<v Speaker 14>more facets. Are you talking about eros? Are you talking

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<v Speaker 14>about a gopy? Or are you talking about falo? Are

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<v Speaker 14>you talking about storegame. It's kind of like nowadays we're

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<v Speaker 14>seeing cultural trends determine what it's legal, lawful, defining spirital

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<v Speaker 14>of law, later the law. I looked at the minutes

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<v Speaker 14>from Bartlesville's council meeting in October last year.

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<v Speaker 28>Now I want to touch upon a monetary direction.

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<v Speaker 14>Mister Bailey looked at ways and this was presented to you,

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<v Speaker 14>how to recover costs from one pride event.

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<v Speaker 28>I think the last one was thirty thousand dollars.

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<v Speaker 14>If I read the Barbelsville publication correctly, thereabouts in my budget.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, that would be terrific.

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<v Speaker 28>I wish I could so.

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<v Speaker 14>Thirty thousand dollars has nothing to sneeze that. Now we

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<v Speaker 14>just sell from a different philosophical perspective. Martin Luther King.

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<v Speaker 14>We just celebrated, right. One of most famous quotes is

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<v Speaker 14>you cannot legislate morality, but you can regulate behavior. So

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<v Speaker 14>I'm here as an advocate, being intellectually honest, as a

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<v Speaker 14>Christian and as a citizen. Which trends are we gonna follow?

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<v Speaker 14>Or do we table this until after legislation in Oklahoma

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<v Speaker 14>City goes through. We're looking at over fifty bills. I

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<v Speaker 14>think we should table this and look at it with

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<v Speaker 14>a little more clarity and intellectual honesty. That's all I got.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, Reverend Tammy Schmidt, and behind her will be

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<v Speaker 1>Brandon Wade.

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<v Speaker 13>My name's Reverend Tammy Schmidt, and I have served as

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<v Speaker 13>a chaplain.

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<v Speaker 30>For many years in hospitals and veteran centers, and one

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<v Speaker 30>kind one phrase really caught my attention. In your prayer,

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<v Speaker 30>it said the good of the community. May I ask

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<v Speaker 30>whose community? Do you mean the ones who voted you in?

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<v Speaker 30>Do you mean the ones who look like you think

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<v Speaker 30>like you do you mean the ones who are surround

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<v Speaker 30>that surround you here today? Whose community are you speaking of?

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<v Speaker 30>I'm curious the ones that often are in power tend

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<v Speaker 30>to stay in power. And the things that really strike me,

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<v Speaker 30>especially as a member of the clergy, is that people

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<v Speaker 30>who often are in power are not always in it.

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<v Speaker 10>For the right reasons.

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<v Speaker 11>So let me ask each and.

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<v Speaker 30>Every one of you as we talk about this coup,

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<v Speaker 30>this subject, which is very nuanced, have you been to

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<v Speaker 30>a direct show so you may not even know what

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<v Speaker 30>it is that you're talking about. Here, there have been

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<v Speaker 30>several people talking about what a freedom it is to

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<v Speaker 30>express themselves.

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<v Speaker 13>In a way that is life giving to them, and

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<v Speaker 13>that is beautiful.

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<v Speaker 30>I also wonder at times when people choose these matters,

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<v Speaker 30>this matter of the LGBTQ community, I'm curious why that one,

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<v Speaker 30>because there are so many other issues that need your attention.

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<v Speaker 30>I'm not saying that this is not important, but out

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<v Speaker 30>of all of the hundreds, no, no thousands of things

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<v Speaker 30>that really are important, like when it is cold outside

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<v Speaker 30>and people who have no homes have no place to go,

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<v Speaker 30>and yet churches do not open their buildings, I wonder

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<v Speaker 30>why is that? I wonder why we're making this lgbtqq

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<v Speaker 30>uh br drag shows, why are we making this such

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<v Speaker 30>a big deal when this is not something that is

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<v Speaker 30>to be divisive. It is a celebration of the very

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<v Speaker 30>things that God made us in to be. Now that

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<v Speaker 30>may be of a quality that we can talk about

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<v Speaker 30>later and new more nuanced, But I also would like

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<v Speaker 30>to share my thoughts about what this means as we focus.

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<v Speaker 13>On lgbtqq uh issues.

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<v Speaker 30>So let's do so, but let's recognize them as people,

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<v Speaker 30>as individuals who are deserving of a voice, specifically the

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<v Speaker 30>deserving of an opportunity to express themselves in ways that

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<v Speaker 30>are beautiful. Misunderstood perhaps, but then again, not everybody understands

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<v Speaker 30>what the hell Christians do either cool and why they

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<v Speaker 30>think the way they do. So, as I end and

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<v Speaker 30>I recognize my time is up, I also am in

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<v Speaker 30>dressed in full drag HM.

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<v Speaker 13>I'd also like to remind Itch and.

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<v Speaker 30>Every one of you that there are bigger threats from

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<v Speaker 30>this community as clergy than there are from drag queens.

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<v Speaker 30>Statistically speaking, our children have much more to gain or lose,

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<v Speaker 30>I should say in that, so let us be real

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<v Speaker 30>and statistically speaking, let us make sure that the harm

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<v Speaker 30>we are spreading, let us make sure that we are

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<v Speaker 30>attacking the.

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<v Speaker 13>Right people and not the LGBTQ community.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you mister Brandon Wade, and after that Rebecca Renthow pro.

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<v Speaker 14>Well.

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<v Speaker 31>Uh, good evening ladies and gentlemen, and thank you Barshool

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<v Speaker 31>City Council for having us ault here to discuss this issue.

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<v Speaker 31>I normally don't read off of something, but I've prepared

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<v Speaker 31>some of someone try to read.

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<v Speaker 5>From it, prepare with me as they just stumbled through it.

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<v Speaker 7>But ask to in here before you address the issue.

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<v Speaker 31>That not only reflects our community values but also significantly

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<v Speaker 31>in implications for our city's future.

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<v Speaker 7>The proposed ban on drag shows is an issue that.

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<v Speaker 31>Warrants a serious consideration and for all you guys on

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<v Speaker 31>City Council, you guys have a very important job to

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<v Speaker 31>do here with this consideration, and thank you for what.

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<v Speaker 7>You do, and I respect you all for what you did.

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<v Speaker 31>With that being said, in regards to this, I want

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<v Speaker 31>to highlight the important aspects that go beyond the personal

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<v Speaker 31>opinions and of banning. By banning these events, we expose

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<v Speaker 31>our seats offend potential UH litigation which could lead to.

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<v Speaker 7>Costly battles that all ultimately burden the tax payers. We

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<v Speaker 7>must be.

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<v Speaker 31>Mindful that funding hate and discrimination not only undermines the

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<v Speaker 31>community values, but also risk financial strains.

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<v Speaker 20>On our citizens.

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<v Speaker 31>It is crucial that we focus on initiatives that promote

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<v Speaker 31>unity and inclusion rather than those that.

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<v Speaker 7>Could divide us and lead to unnecessary expenses.

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<v Speaker 31>While we discuss this issue, we cannot afford to ignore

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<v Speaker 31>the real problems that face our communities. And we've heard

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<v Speaker 31>some of those today brought up by a citizens, which

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<v Speaker 31>would be the homelessness that's in our city and also

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<v Speaker 31>the fact of water supply to.

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<v Speaker 20>Our city and clean water.

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<v Speaker 7>Those are issues that.

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<v Speaker 31>Need to be addressed and our challenges that demand immediate

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<v Speaker 31>attention and resources. Is imperative that we prioritize solutions that

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<v Speaker 31>directly improve the quality of life for all residents rather

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<v Speaker 31>than diverting our focus and cause.

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<v Speaker 7>Division amongst us consideration.

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<v Speaker 31>In conclusion, i'd like to say, let us not close

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<v Speaker 31>the doors on creativity an unnecessary division within our community. Instead,

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<v Speaker 31>we should strive to foster an environment of inclusiveness and

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<v Speaker 31>support while addressing the urgent issues that truly matter. I

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<v Speaker 31>urge you to reconsider anything on this decision that will

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<v Speaker 31>affect the city of Barsville and our tack payer dollars

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<v Speaker 31>and make a decision that doesn't affect everybody. I heard

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<v Speaker 31>earlier also comments.

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<v Speaker 7>About the risk of violence and hate that come with

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<v Speaker 7>these events.

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<v Speaker 31>And I've attended these events and its family orientated for

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<v Speaker 31>the most part of all the event, even with the

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<v Speaker 31>drag show later in the evenings, I've seen nothing that

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<v Speaker 31>is undermining children being there that.

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<v Speaker 20>They not appropriate.

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<v Speaker 32>See.

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<v Speaker 7>I think of the show Missus Dollfire in the movie

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<v Speaker 7>and came out back in ninety three. I believe Missus

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<v Speaker 7>Doullfire raised over.

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<v Speaker 31>Four hundred and forty million the box office A lot

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<v Speaker 31>of us probably had as a child.

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<v Speaker 7>I watched it to a lot of parents, I imagine.

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<v Speaker 31>Allowed their children to watch that show, and that did

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<v Speaker 31>not have a direct effect on our children. And if

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<v Speaker 31>your parents a being parents, and myself being a parent,

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<v Speaker 31>if I was offended by those kind of things and

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<v Speaker 31>did not want my child to be at that, then

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<v Speaker 31>I would be a parent and I would not allow

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<v Speaker 31>my child to be at that.

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<v Speaker 7>Uh So, please take those things in consideration and thank

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<v Speaker 7>you for your time. I appreciate y'all.

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<v Speaker 1>Good thank you, Rebecca Renfrow, and then Nicholas le May.

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<v Speaker 33>I'm Rebecca Renfrow. I am a Bordersville citizen. I do

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00:49:42.000 --> 00:49:46.760
<v Speaker 33>appreciate obviously a lot of people. What a great turnout

867
00:49:46.960 --> 00:49:50.960
<v Speaker 33>to have so many people show their passion about wanting

868
00:49:51.039 --> 00:49:53.920
<v Speaker 33>to know what's gonna happen in our community. And I

869
00:49:54.039 --> 00:49:56.239
<v Speaker 33>appreciate you all happen in the workshops. I think it

870
00:49:56.360 --> 00:49:59.599
<v Speaker 33>really shows that people do wanna be involved, and that's

871
00:49:59.679 --> 00:50:02.239
<v Speaker 33>really well. Second, I wanna be on the record that

872
00:50:02.320 --> 00:50:06.960
<v Speaker 33>I'm very passionate that we should be protective of our children.

873
00:50:07.559 --> 00:50:10.079
<v Speaker 33>I think all children have that right, and as a parent,

874
00:50:10.159 --> 00:50:15.719
<v Speaker 33>you have that right. My questions are, really, what does

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00:50:15.960 --> 00:50:19.440
<v Speaker 33>constitute drag? I I really am not sure and I

876
00:50:19.480 --> 00:50:22.639
<v Speaker 33>would like that very well clarified, because as drag, just

877
00:50:22.760 --> 00:50:26.400
<v Speaker 33>the costume is drag. The entertainment is a rodeo clown

878
00:50:26.559 --> 00:50:29.639
<v Speaker 33>in drag. When a rodeo clown has his big bust

879
00:50:29.960 --> 00:50:33.920
<v Speaker 33>lisps up, his thing is that dragon is a drag

880
00:50:34.000 --> 00:50:37.360
<v Speaker 33>When a woman's in pants. I was suspended from high

881
00:50:37.360 --> 00:50:40.440
<v Speaker 33>school because I wore blue jeans, So was I in drag?

882
00:50:40.519 --> 00:50:43.719
<v Speaker 33>Am I am dragged now because I'm dressed as a man,

883
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<v Speaker 33>So I really would like some clarification. Are we talking

884
00:50:47.800 --> 00:50:54.960
<v Speaker 33>about adult entertainment or are we talking about an activity

885
00:50:55.440 --> 00:50:58.639
<v Speaker 33>that may involve dressing in a way that you may

886
00:50:58.719 --> 00:50:59.880
<v Speaker 33>not be comfortable with?

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00:51:00.440 --> 00:51:02.159
<v Speaker 13>So I really would appreciate as this.

888
00:51:02.239 --> 00:51:05.679
<v Speaker 33>Discussion involves some more clarification on that or or are

889
00:51:05.719 --> 00:51:08.719
<v Speaker 33>we dancing and singing in costumes? When I went to

890
00:51:08.840 --> 00:51:13.960
<v Speaker 33>the performances here, I did not see anything that I

891
00:51:13.960 --> 00:51:18.400
<v Speaker 33>would fail offensive to to a child. Now, in our

892
00:51:18.480 --> 00:51:21.960
<v Speaker 33>prayer we talked about, you know, our perspective.

893
00:51:21.440 --> 00:51:22.159
<v Speaker 11>And our values.

894
00:51:22.960 --> 00:51:25.599
<v Speaker 33>Is it my perspectives and my values or is it

895
00:51:25.800 --> 00:51:31.239
<v Speaker 33>your perspectives and your values? And how who who wins

896
00:51:31.320 --> 00:51:35.559
<v Speaker 33>in this conversation? And I think I'm not particularly fond

897
00:51:35.559 --> 00:51:40.440
<v Speaker 33>of guns. My grandchild was holding my hand and there

898
00:51:40.519 --> 00:51:42.159
<v Speaker 33>was an open carry right in her face.

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00:51:43.440 --> 00:51:46.239
<v Speaker 13>How do you think I felt having to.

900
00:51:46.280 --> 00:51:46.719
<v Speaker 11>Deal with that?

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00:51:47.840 --> 00:51:50.000
<v Speaker 13>It gave me to a point of conversation.

902
00:51:50.239 --> 00:51:53.000
<v Speaker 33>And I think anytime there's differences, we.

903
00:51:53.079 --> 00:51:54.199
<v Speaker 11>As parents.

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00:51:55.480 --> 00:51:58.639
<v Speaker 33>Can use that opportunity to give our own values, to

905
00:51:58.719 --> 00:51:59.840
<v Speaker 33>give our own perspectives.

906
00:52:00.119 --> 00:52:01.840
<v Speaker 11>Did that make if I see a gun?

907
00:52:01.920 --> 00:52:03.000
<v Speaker 13>Does that make me a murderer?

908
00:52:03.320 --> 00:52:06.960
<v Speaker 33>I'm a vegetarian because I'm a vegetarian I go to

909
00:52:07.039 --> 00:52:09.039
<v Speaker 33>a restaurant and I ask, does it make everybody else

910
00:52:09.159 --> 00:52:11.400
<v Speaker 33>or my child think they needed the children around me

911
00:52:11.519 --> 00:52:14.159
<v Speaker 33>be a vegetarian. I think we really have to think

912
00:52:14.280 --> 00:52:17.280
<v Speaker 33>hard about it. But I do appreciate the conversation, and

913
00:52:17.400 --> 00:52:21.000
<v Speaker 33>I think we all we need to get better at conversation,

914
00:52:21.360 --> 00:52:24.519
<v Speaker 33>whether it's in our homes, whether it's in our communities

915
00:52:24.880 --> 00:52:25.639
<v Speaker 33>with everybody.

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<v Speaker 13>So thank you so much for this opportunity.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you.

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00:52:29.599 --> 00:52:30.039
<v Speaker 27>I think.

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00:52:34.840 --> 00:52:39.199
<v Speaker 1>Nicholas the maid, and after Nicholas will be Michelle Larkin.

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00:52:41.400 --> 00:52:46.599
<v Speaker 34>An act of creation is an act of divinity. That

921
00:52:46.719 --> 00:52:51.760
<v Speaker 34>there's a holy sacrament in my faith. And so to

922
00:52:51.960 --> 00:52:53.239
<v Speaker 34>all those who make.

923
00:52:53.320 --> 00:52:57.519
<v Speaker 35>Of their mode of dress such a sacrament, I say,

924
00:52:58.400 --> 00:53:03.079
<v Speaker 35>you have no need of my blessing. But bless you,

925
00:53:03.480 --> 00:53:09.440
<v Speaker 35>my children, for wearing your divinity with such courage and pride.

926
00:53:11.119 --> 00:53:14.840
<v Speaker 35>Much has been made of what we teach our children.

927
00:53:15.960 --> 00:53:20.159
<v Speaker 35>Let us teach them that we in trine freedom over

928
00:53:20.360 --> 00:53:28.960
<v Speaker 35>censorship and joy over fear. From inspiration to creation, May

929
00:53:29.039 --> 00:53:31.960
<v Speaker 35>the wheel unbroken urn within us.

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<v Speaker 5>All amen, thank you for your time, Thank you for

931
00:53:37.280 --> 00:53:37.800
<v Speaker 5>treating much.

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<v Speaker 1>Michelle markin and after that will be Sean Barker.

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<v Speaker 36>Hello, everybody, my name is Michelle Larkin. I am the

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00:53:50.599 --> 00:53:56.239
<v Speaker 36>co founder of Bartlesville Area Pagans. I know what discriminatory is, hm,

935
00:53:56.679 --> 00:54:02.760
<v Speaker 36>I know how it feels. I am representing my family,

936
00:54:03.679 --> 00:54:06.079
<v Speaker 36>my friends, my loved ones.

937
00:54:07.440 --> 00:54:10.039
<v Speaker 5>In just a heart felt.

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00:54:11.599 --> 00:54:15.280
<v Speaker 13>Let's look at our hearts that you use the love

939
00:54:15.400 --> 00:54:17.360
<v Speaker 13>God gave you and the Goddess gave me.

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00:54:19.199 --> 00:54:24.800
<v Speaker 36>To share our time, our space, our love, our freedom,

941
00:54:25.039 --> 00:54:30.519
<v Speaker 36>our rights, all the things that we have in this

942
00:54:30.840 --> 00:54:35.559
<v Speaker 36>wonderful country we call America, we need to share them.

943
00:54:36.760 --> 00:54:40.840
<v Speaker 5>We need to know that we're all humans. We need

944
00:54:40.960 --> 00:54:45.760
<v Speaker 5>to know that we all have love. Are we all perfect?

945
00:54:46.440 --> 00:54:46.480
<v Speaker 29>No?

946
00:54:47.840 --> 00:54:50.679
<v Speaker 5>Did we all do things that we need to check

947
00:54:50.760 --> 00:54:51.320
<v Speaker 5>ourselves for?

948
00:54:52.000 --> 00:54:55.320
<v Speaker 13>Yes, we all do, all of us, even all of you,

949
00:54:56.559 --> 00:54:57.000
<v Speaker 13>even me.

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00:54:58.559 --> 00:55:00.639
<v Speaker 5>But what have we got as humans?

951
00:55:01.280 --> 00:55:07.360
<v Speaker 37>We have compassion, we have time, we have presence, we

952
00:55:07.519 --> 00:55:11.440
<v Speaker 37>have energy, we have love, and we have light.

953
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<v Speaker 36>Let's use some of this in deciding what we're gonna

954
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<v Speaker 36>do about this situation. My step son in law, Josie

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00:55:23.920 --> 00:55:29.280
<v Speaker 36>Lee Terrell, who is a famous drag queen y and

956
00:55:29.480 --> 00:55:31.320
<v Speaker 36>hosts the events here.

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00:55:32.639 --> 00:55:35.320
<v Speaker 5>The first one was beautiful. The second one I did

958
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<v Speaker 5>not attend.

959
00:55:37.039 --> 00:55:38.239
<v Speaker 1>I was out of town.

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00:55:39.320 --> 00:55:42.800
<v Speaker 36>This last one I was here with my family, with

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00:55:43.000 --> 00:55:48.239
<v Speaker 36>my loved ones, with my friends. We held uh a

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00:55:48.360 --> 00:55:50.360
<v Speaker 36>booth for the Barblesville area.

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00:55:50.440 --> 00:55:50.880
<v Speaker 5>Higgins.

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<v Speaker 36>We were judged, we were criticized, we were told we

965
00:55:56.639 --> 00:56:03.480
<v Speaker 36>were hated. Let's not hate, eight Let's love. Let's be

966
00:56:03.639 --> 00:56:07.559
<v Speaker 36>kind and caring. And thank you all, each one of

967
00:56:07.639 --> 00:56:10.920
<v Speaker 36>you at this table for your time for letting us

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00:56:11.000 --> 00:56:14.840
<v Speaker 36>speak and sharing our hearts with you.

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00:56:15.880 --> 00:56:23.400
<v Speaker 1>Blessed be thank you, Thank you, Sean Barker. And after that,

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00:56:23.639 --> 00:56:27.239
<v Speaker 1>Rachelle Hip read the last name, and she'll be our

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00:56:27.360 --> 00:56:31.960
<v Speaker 1>last speaker. After mister Barker go to is it right here?

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00:56:31.960 --> 00:56:32.840
<v Speaker 17>For alright?

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<v Speaker 38>It well, good evening with her Maryor and council city staff. Uh,

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00:56:37.719 --> 00:56:40.119
<v Speaker 38>thank you for holding the workshop to discuss this very

975
00:56:40.119 --> 00:56:44.719
<v Speaker 38>important community matter. Drag queen shows may not be legally

976
00:56:44.760 --> 00:56:47.920
<v Speaker 38>considered an adult entertainment, but common sense would suggest that

977
00:56:48.039 --> 00:56:50.519
<v Speaker 38>it is and it is not appropriate for children to

978
00:56:50.559 --> 00:56:53.920
<v Speaker 38>be exposed to it. With common sense being restored at

979
00:56:53.920 --> 00:56:56.880
<v Speaker 38>the federal level, maybe this will finally be resolved at

980
00:56:56.880 --> 00:57:00.400
<v Speaker 38>the courts at the federal level. In the same time,

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<v Speaker 38>I implore the city council to prevent drag queen shows

982
00:57:02.840 --> 00:57:06.119
<v Speaker 38>from being held in various venues where children Arender eighteen

983
00:57:06.159 --> 00:57:09.480
<v Speaker 38>are exposed to it, both indoors, outdoors, public and private.

984
00:57:10.480 --> 00:57:14.400
<v Speaker 38>We protect children from all kinds of things PG thirteen movies,

985
00:57:14.719 --> 00:57:17.960
<v Speaker 38>R rated movies, alcohol use, tobacco use, The list goes

986
00:57:18.000 --> 00:57:18.599
<v Speaker 38>on and on and on.

987
00:57:19.480 --> 00:57:21.400
<v Speaker 5>We need to protect them from drag queen shows.

988
00:57:22.280 --> 00:57:25.960
<v Speaker 38>There is absolutely nothing family friendly about a drag queen show.

989
00:57:26.199 --> 00:57:30.159
<v Speaker 5>They are all sexual by definition. This is not about

990
00:57:30.320 --> 00:57:31.440
<v Speaker 5>LBGTQ rights.

991
00:57:32.039 --> 00:57:35.800
<v Speaker 38>Bartlesville is a very welcoming and accommodating community for LBGTQ,

992
00:57:36.000 --> 00:57:38.199
<v Speaker 38>including my own viewpoints.

993
00:57:37.719 --> 00:57:38.480
<v Speaker 5>On those issues.

994
00:57:39.320 --> 00:57:42.639
<v Speaker 18>This is not about being welcoming and accommodating to LBGTQ.

995
00:57:43.000 --> 00:57:47.800
<v Speaker 38>This is about protecting children from powerful and inappropriate adult content.

996
00:57:49.000 --> 00:57:51.119
<v Speaker 38>I understand that the concern is we will spend a

997
00:57:51.159 --> 00:57:52.760
<v Speaker 38>lot of time in legal fees and a lot of

998
00:57:52.800 --> 00:57:54.960
<v Speaker 38>money in legal fees in order to protect these children

999
00:57:55.039 --> 00:57:56.159
<v Speaker 38>in court, and we may lose.

1000
00:57:57.199 --> 00:57:59.679
<v Speaker 18>I think personally that would be a tremendous investment for

1001
00:57:59.800 --> 00:58:00.480
<v Speaker 18>us to make.

1002
00:58:00.440 --> 00:58:01.119
<v Speaker 5>In our children.

1003
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<v Speaker 38>One hundred thousand or two hundred thousand dollars and the

1004
00:58:03.800 --> 00:58:06.119
<v Speaker 38>thirty six million dollar budget is a rounding error, and

1005
00:58:06.199 --> 00:58:09.079
<v Speaker 38>I think we should make that an investment. We've had

1006
00:58:09.119 --> 00:58:11.679
<v Speaker 38>a very large and vocal group of drag queen supporters

1007
00:58:11.719 --> 00:58:14.880
<v Speaker 38>here tonight. However, we know from the last city council

1008
00:58:14.920 --> 00:58:18.119
<v Speaker 38>elections and the petition they had over three thousand signatures

1009
00:58:18.679 --> 00:58:21.360
<v Speaker 38>that the vast majority of Bartlesville people do not want

1010
00:58:21.639 --> 00:58:24.920
<v Speaker 38>drag queen shows in public parks or outdoors where.

1011
00:58:24.800 --> 00:58:25.880
<v Speaker 1>Kids can be exposed to it.

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00:58:26.719 --> 00:58:29.760
<v Speaker 38>I hope that the city Council and the city manager

1013
00:58:29.880 --> 00:58:32.639
<v Speaker 38>and the staff will protect these children and do the

1014
00:58:32.719 --> 00:58:34.320
<v Speaker 38>will of the vast majority.

1015
00:58:33.920 --> 00:58:35.679
<v Speaker 5>Of Bartons who did not show up here tonight.

1016
00:58:36.400 --> 00:58:39.760
<v Speaker 38>I'm very disappointed in our community for all the people

1017
00:58:39.840 --> 00:58:41.920
<v Speaker 38>who feel this way. They did not show up tonight,

1018
00:58:42.000 --> 00:58:44.280
<v Speaker 38>and instead we had a litany of people come across

1019
00:58:44.639 --> 00:58:47.679
<v Speaker 38>with one viewpoint. I hope the city Council does not

1020
00:58:47.840 --> 00:58:50.800
<v Speaker 38>forget that the vast majority of Bartlesville people do not

1021
00:58:50.880 --> 00:58:51.280
<v Speaker 38>want these.

1022
00:58:51.199 --> 00:58:53.599
<v Speaker 5>During queen shows and they are in their unity. Thank

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00:58:53.679 --> 00:58:54.960
<v Speaker 5>you for giving me some time tonight.

1024
00:58:55.280 --> 00:58:59.880
<v Speaker 1>Thank you, Thank you much Sport for lass speaker reach.

1025
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<v Speaker 18>How do you say, grele great, yeah, very good, pretious.

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<v Speaker 39>I am a mental health professional licensed in the state

1027
00:59:10.239 --> 00:59:13.039
<v Speaker 39>of Oklahoma for about eighteen years, and there were just

1028
00:59:13.079 --> 00:59:15.039
<v Speaker 39>a couple things I wanted to address and thank you

1029
00:59:15.199 --> 00:59:19.360
<v Speaker 39>for the opportunity to speak appreciated. The first thing was

1030
00:59:19.880 --> 00:59:23.800
<v Speaker 39>I had seen some conversation about rapid onset gender dysphoria

1031
00:59:24.000 --> 00:59:28.039
<v Speaker 39>online and in the public, and as a mental health professional,

1032
00:59:28.119 --> 00:59:29.960
<v Speaker 39>I just wanted to let you know that's not an

1033
00:59:29.960 --> 00:59:34.639
<v Speaker 39>actual diagnosis, that's not anything that's treated or studied scientifically,

1034
00:59:35.599 --> 00:59:39.119
<v Speaker 39>And there's no evidence to indicate that gender differences ex

1035
00:59:39.519 --> 00:59:43.639
<v Speaker 39>or differences in gender expression or sexual orientation are influenced

1036
00:59:43.639 --> 00:59:46.199
<v Speaker 39>by observing it or seeing it in other people, Nor

1037
00:59:46.320 --> 00:59:48.599
<v Speaker 39>is there any evidence that it's something harmful that we

1038
00:59:48.719 --> 00:59:52.400
<v Speaker 39>need to worry about being contagious. The most important thing

1039
00:59:52.400 --> 00:59:56.440
<v Speaker 39>I wanted to mention tonight though I work with kids,

1040
00:59:56.880 --> 00:59:59.760
<v Speaker 39>and kids watch what we're doing, and some of them

1041
00:59:59.800 --> 01:00:04.079
<v Speaker 39>may be watching this meeting if it's online, and there

1042
01:00:04.199 --> 01:00:07.159
<v Speaker 39>is a mental health crisis in our town and in

1043
01:00:07.280 --> 01:00:10.639
<v Speaker 39>our state and in our country, and kids that have

1044
01:00:10.960 --> 01:00:15.679
<v Speaker 39>differences in gender identity or differences in sexual orientation often

1045
01:00:15.840 --> 01:00:20.519
<v Speaker 39>cite laws and public conversations like this as some of

1046
01:00:20.559 --> 01:00:24.960
<v Speaker 39>the root causes for their thoughts of suicidality, concerns about

1047
01:00:24.960 --> 01:00:27.960
<v Speaker 39>whether or not they're safe in our community, and so

1048
01:00:28.239 --> 01:00:30.920
<v Speaker 39>whether that's the intended message with this law, I do

1049
01:00:31.119 --> 01:00:33.639
<v Speaker 39>just want you to know that a lot of kids

1050
01:00:33.719 --> 01:00:36.800
<v Speaker 39>who don't feel safe will be watching how you vote,

1051
01:00:36.880 --> 01:00:40.039
<v Speaker 39>and they will be taking that into consideration about whether

1052
01:00:40.119 --> 01:00:42.760
<v Speaker 39>or not they're safe and whether or not they're worthy

1053
01:00:43.000 --> 01:00:44.920
<v Speaker 39>or valued members of society.

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01:00:45.840 --> 01:00:47.800
<v Speaker 11>And I think what kids really need.

1055
01:00:47.760 --> 01:00:49.960
<v Speaker 10>Is love and compassion and acceptance.

1056
01:00:50.039 --> 01:00:54.440
<v Speaker 39>There's an absence of community with a lot of kids

1057
01:00:54.480 --> 01:00:56.679
<v Speaker 39>that don't fit in the box, and so I just

1058
01:00:56.760 --> 01:00:58.199
<v Speaker 39>wanted to UH mention.

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01:00:58.159 --> 01:00:58.800
<v Speaker 27>That team all.

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01:00:59.000 --> 01:01:01.719
<v Speaker 18>I appreciate your time, thank you appulating.

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01:01:05.360 --> 01:01:08.239
<v Speaker 1>UH a little last question, I did everybody get to

1062
01:01:08.280 --> 01:01:11.679
<v Speaker 1>speak to one of you to speak? I appreciate uh

1063
01:01:11.760 --> 01:01:15.239
<v Speaker 1>everybody's comments tonight. I appreci I certainly appreciate the civility

1064
01:01:15.320 --> 01:01:17.519
<v Speaker 1>of the conversation tonight. We've got a lot of good

1065
01:01:17.559 --> 01:01:20.679
<v Speaker 1>comments tonight, and UH appreciate everybody getting here tonight. We're

1066
01:01:20.679 --> 01:01:23.960
<v Speaker 1>gonna work through our agenda here and UH have our discussion.

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01:01:23.960 --> 01:01:28.400
<v Speaker 1>You're welcome to stay and listening. So we'll move on

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01:01:28.519 --> 01:01:33.599
<v Speaker 1>to UH item number five, discussion about possible regulations related

1069
01:01:33.639 --> 01:01:37.719
<v Speaker 1>to adult entertainment oriented entertainment in public spaces. I'm gonna

1070
01:01:37.719 --> 01:01:39.840
<v Speaker 1>ask mister Bailey to kind of give us a the

1071
01:01:40.039 --> 01:01:42.480
<v Speaker 1>recap of where we've been and sure how we got here.

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01:01:42.920 --> 01:01:45.519
<v Speaker 32>So obviously this has been a discussion that's gone on

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01:01:45.800 --> 01:01:47.079
<v Speaker 32>for for quite a while.

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01:01:47.440 --> 01:01:47.559
<v Speaker 14>Uh.

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<v Speaker 40>And I know that uh, well, two of our council

1076
01:01:50.159 --> 01:01:52.440
<v Speaker 40>members are here and I have have talked about this

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01:01:52.559 --> 01:01:54.599
<v Speaker 40>a lot, have been present for a lot of presentation.

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<v Speaker 17>Uh.

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<v Speaker 40>But I know that all four of you were uh

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01:01:57.920 --> 01:02:01.599
<v Speaker 40>present for a presentation by mister can at the council orientation,

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<v Speaker 40>and so.

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<v Speaker 32>We were not Staff does not have a presentation for tonight.

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01:02:06.519 --> 01:02:08.320
<v Speaker 32>So I think that's the main point is that this

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01:02:08.519 --> 01:02:10.599
<v Speaker 32>wasn't intended for you to hear us.

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<v Speaker 40>You've heard us, We've spoken, Mister Kane has given you

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01:02:14.280 --> 01:02:18.039
<v Speaker 40>his opinion he today's presentation. So this really is an

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01:02:18.119 --> 01:02:21.239
<v Speaker 40>opportunity for the council to talk to each other about this.

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01:02:21.960 --> 01:02:23.960
<v Speaker 40>And these are rare opportunities because the only time the

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01:02:24.000 --> 01:02:25.480
<v Speaker 40>council gets to talk to each other is in a

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01:02:25.519 --> 01:02:27.960
<v Speaker 40>council meeting, and when we have a meeting in the

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01:02:28.039 --> 01:02:31.199
<v Speaker 40>other room, we're talking to the people out there, and

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01:02:31.280 --> 01:02:32.559
<v Speaker 40>when we have it in this room, you get an

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01:02:32.559 --> 01:02:33.719
<v Speaker 40>opportunity to talk to each other.

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01:02:33.800 --> 01:02:35.400
<v Speaker 32>So that really was the focus of tonight.

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01:02:36.119 --> 01:02:40.280
<v Speaker 40>After the orientation, I met with each of you individually

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01:02:40.360 --> 01:02:43.039
<v Speaker 40>to ask how you'd like to proceed. Everyone was in

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01:02:43.159 --> 01:02:45.000
<v Speaker 40>favor of the idea of having a workshop so that

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01:02:45.079 --> 01:02:46.960
<v Speaker 40>we could have this conversation amongst yourselves.

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<v Speaker 32>And I appreciate over the last week.

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01:02:50.199 --> 01:02:52.280
<v Speaker 40>I know mister east Us has submitted a number of

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01:02:52.400 --> 01:02:54.840
<v Speaker 40>questions to mister Kane and I, so he'll be ready

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01:02:54.920 --> 01:02:57.360
<v Speaker 40>to answer any of those that you'd like to discuss tonight.

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<v Speaker 32>Mister Kirkpatrick, I know you have admitted a couple.

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01:03:01.000 --> 01:03:04.119
<v Speaker 40>Of things for consideration tonight. UH, So we appreciate having

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01:03:04.119 --> 01:03:06.360
<v Speaker 40>all of that information in advance. That's all that we've

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01:03:06.400 --> 01:03:08.440
<v Speaker 40>received up to this point. So I don't know if

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01:03:08.440 --> 01:03:10.760
<v Speaker 40>there was other things that anyone else wants to talk about,

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01:03:10.800 --> 01:03:13.400
<v Speaker 40>but I know that mister Kane this is this is

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01:03:13.519 --> 01:03:16.360
<v Speaker 40>definitely more his area than mine, and and he is

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01:03:16.639 --> 01:03:19.679
<v Speaker 40>he is prepared to address any questions that you're on that.

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01:03:20.239 --> 01:03:22.239
<v Speaker 40>Uh And with that, Mayor, I will kick it back

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01:03:22.280 --> 01:03:23.960
<v Speaker 40>over to you. As I said, this is truly just

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01:03:24.079 --> 01:03:25.000
<v Speaker 40>a council agendi.

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01:03:25.199 --> 01:03:27.079
<v Speaker 6>Should we pass this speaker about that Mike's fund back

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01:03:27.119 --> 01:03:28.599
<v Speaker 6>then here, let's put that for the sake of the

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01:03:29.159 --> 01:03:30.000
<v Speaker 6>our friends in the other room.

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01:03:30.079 --> 01:03:33.039
<v Speaker 1>Yes, thanks for bringing that up. And so as you

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01:03:33.079 --> 01:03:36.280
<v Speaker 1>all have seen your packet, I think mister Kirkpatrick has

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01:03:36.320 --> 01:03:39.559
<v Speaker 1>put a lot of time and effort into a couple

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01:03:39.559 --> 01:03:42.000
<v Speaker 1>of those that's bringing forth tonight. We're not gonna act

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01:03:42.079 --> 01:03:44.320
<v Speaker 1>on anything tonight. We're just gonna discuss it then uh

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01:03:44.719 --> 01:03:46.840
<v Speaker 1>if it comes forward, and later at a later date,

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01:03:46.880 --> 01:03:49.519
<v Speaker 1>we'll u uh see what comes out of this meeting night.

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01:03:49.599 --> 01:03:52.639
<v Speaker 1>So this is discussion purpose only, and I'm just gonna

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01:03:52.800 --> 01:03:55.320
<v Speaker 1>ask mister Kirkpatrick to feel say in on some of

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01:03:55.360 --> 01:03:56.079
<v Speaker 1>your thoughts tonight.

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<v Speaker 6>Okay, Well, I wanna start by saying thank you to

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01:04:00.400 --> 01:04:04.440
<v Speaker 6>everybody who spoke this evening, who shared their thoughts, their

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01:04:04.519 --> 01:04:08.000
<v Speaker 6>viewpoints and clearly a lot of passion, and for eybody

1130
01:04:08.039 --> 01:04:10.400
<v Speaker 6>who came both in this room in the overflow room.

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01:04:11.599 --> 01:04:15.239
<v Speaker 6>I guess two months ago, when Mike asked about doing workshops,

1132
01:04:15.519 --> 01:04:17.719
<v Speaker 6>I thought this was gonna be a conversation between five

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01:04:17.800 --> 01:04:21.159
<v Speaker 6>city council members and a few city staff. You know,

1134
01:04:21.400 --> 01:04:22.840
<v Speaker 6>silly man didn't realise we're gonna be sitting in the

1135
01:04:22.840 --> 01:04:25.239
<v Speaker 6>middle of the fish bowl. But with that in mind,

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01:04:25.360 --> 01:04:27.840
<v Speaker 6>I my hope here. I think we will be more

1137
01:04:28.000 --> 01:04:31.119
<v Speaker 6>successful if it actually is a conversation, and I will

1138
01:04:31.119 --> 01:04:34.119
<v Speaker 6>approach this with the same honesty that I have any

1139
01:04:34.159 --> 01:04:35.719
<v Speaker 6>other conversation we've had on any topic.

1140
01:04:39.360 --> 01:04:41.440
<v Speaker 5>I got quoted once.

1141
01:04:41.840 --> 01:04:43.400
<v Speaker 6>I don't know I've ever had a prayer quote before,

1142
01:04:43.400 --> 01:04:48.239
<v Speaker 6>but I have the prayer quoted said, which community that

1143
01:04:48.440 --> 01:04:49.280
<v Speaker 6>is the right question?

1144
01:04:50.800 --> 01:04:51.880
<v Speaker 5>It is our community.

1145
01:04:52.519 --> 01:04:55.079
<v Speaker 6>It's every single one of us, every single person that

1146
01:04:55.159 --> 01:05:01.079
<v Speaker 6>lives in Barnesville. And I have had the extreme honor

1147
01:05:01.119 --> 01:05:05.239
<v Speaker 6>of getting to talk to so many people I've got

1148
01:05:05.320 --> 01:05:08.559
<v Speaker 6>to be pushed in two thousand now, since maybe August,

1149
01:05:09.880 --> 01:05:12.719
<v Speaker 6>and getting to hear lots of different opinions and different perspectives,

1150
01:05:13.079 --> 01:05:16.800
<v Speaker 6>very deeply held convictions and emotions as we have heard

1151
01:05:16.920 --> 01:05:24.480
<v Speaker 6>here in other city council meetings, and frankly most of

1152
01:05:24.559 --> 01:05:30.079
<v Speaker 6>the conversations that I've had, like we have these. There

1153
01:05:30.119 --> 01:05:33.039
<v Speaker 6>are certainly some very significant differences of opinion and feeling

1154
01:05:33.960 --> 01:05:38.119
<v Speaker 6>about the drag Show and some of these issues larger issues,

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01:05:39.119 --> 01:05:41.840
<v Speaker 6>but in almost all of them, there are like these

1156
01:05:41.920 --> 01:05:44.519
<v Speaker 6>kernel foundational values that we all have shared that I

1157
01:05:44.639 --> 01:05:46.880
<v Speaker 6>hear from everybody, doesn't matter what side of the political

1158
01:05:46.920 --> 01:05:49.880
<v Speaker 6>spectrum or the opinions that we have on these specific topics.

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01:05:53.119 --> 01:05:55.480
<v Speaker 6>We may start with difference of ethics or difference of

1160
01:05:55.599 --> 01:05:59.119
<v Speaker 6>worldviews or values. But what I have been trying to

1161
01:05:59.280 --> 01:06:02.480
<v Speaker 6>find over the last six months is where our common

1162
01:06:02.639 --> 01:06:05.159
<v Speaker 6>values lie. What are the things that just seem to

1163
01:06:05.199 --> 01:06:07.079
<v Speaker 6>bubble to the surface of the ethos of Bartlesville.

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01:06:08.679 --> 01:06:10.079
<v Speaker 5>For instance, I have not talked.

1165
01:06:09.920 --> 01:06:13.719
<v Speaker 6>To anybody yet who doesn't believe in the individual dignity

1166
01:06:13.800 --> 01:06:17.639
<v Speaker 6>of every person in our community, disagreement in some very

1167
01:06:18.320 --> 01:06:21.639
<v Speaker 6>These are the people I've talked to, right, which says

1168
01:06:21.719 --> 01:06:24.159
<v Speaker 6>to me that when we hear about people getting death threats,

1169
01:06:25.159 --> 01:06:27.440
<v Speaker 6>and there have been people on both sides of this

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01:06:27.559 --> 01:06:29.360
<v Speaker 6>thing who have received death threats, people have had to

1171
01:06:29.400 --> 01:06:32.000
<v Speaker 6>park in their friends driveways or on their street, We've

1172
01:06:32.039 --> 01:06:35.239
<v Speaker 6>had to up police surveillance because people are getting threatened

1173
01:06:35.559 --> 01:06:40.159
<v Speaker 6>with violence on either side of this. None of us

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01:06:40.239 --> 01:06:43.840
<v Speaker 6>want that, because it's a violation of our individual dignity

1175
01:06:43.840 --> 01:06:45.599
<v Speaker 6>and our rights. And we all do want the First

1176
01:06:45.599 --> 01:06:49.119
<v Speaker 6>Amendment right, every single one of us, even as we

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01:06:49.239 --> 01:06:51.719
<v Speaker 6>disagree about what that expression may look like. We all

1178
01:06:51.760 --> 01:06:53.440
<v Speaker 6>want that. I talked to a single person that it's

1179
01:06:53.480 --> 01:06:55.280
<v Speaker 6>like I would like to take theirs away and maybe

1180
01:06:55.280 --> 01:06:59.760
<v Speaker 6>also compromise mine. We all want it for ourselves. And

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01:07:00.119 --> 01:07:02.079
<v Speaker 6>what I love about Oklahoma is that there has been

1182
01:07:02.199 --> 01:07:05.039
<v Speaker 6>like this. There's like this libertarian streak that kind of

1183
01:07:05.079 --> 01:07:07.760
<v Speaker 6>runs through all of us where it's like, I'm pretty

1184
01:07:07.760 --> 01:07:09.840
<v Speaker 6>well good with having my rights and you having yours,

1185
01:07:09.880 --> 01:07:13.039
<v Speaker 6>as long as they don't collide with each other. And

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01:07:13.119 --> 01:07:14.760
<v Speaker 6>I've heard that from people on all the ends of

1187
01:07:14.800 --> 01:07:20.800
<v Speaker 6>the political spectrum. I have not talked to anybody yet

1188
01:07:20.800 --> 01:07:23.159
<v Speaker 6>who doesn't believe in their own parental rights, want the

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01:07:23.199 --> 01:07:27.440
<v Speaker 6>ability to raise their kids and share their values, and

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01:07:27.519 --> 01:07:29.639
<v Speaker 6>that we all want our kids to be safe and healthy.

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01:07:31.800 --> 01:07:34.880
<v Speaker 5>The nitty gritty of this comes when.

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01:07:34.760 --> 01:07:37.039
<v Speaker 6>We start to ask the question who gets to decide

1193
01:07:37.079 --> 01:07:40.639
<v Speaker 6>what's healthy, who gets to decide what's safe? How do

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01:07:40.679 --> 01:07:45.519
<v Speaker 6>we define those things because we start with different values

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01:07:45.599 --> 01:07:51.039
<v Speaker 6>or some different definitions there. So I tell you all

1196
01:07:51.079 --> 01:07:54.159
<v Speaker 6>of that not to make a speech, but because that

1197
01:07:54.360 --> 01:07:57.119
<v Speaker 6>is the context within which I'm going to talk about

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01:07:57.159 --> 01:07:59.280
<v Speaker 6>this ordinance here, which is just a proposal.

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01:08:00.039 --> 01:08:00.880
<v Speaker 5>It is a supposed to be.

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01:08:00.880 --> 01:08:12.199
<v Speaker 6>A conversation starter. It is important, beyond important that anything

1201
01:08:12.280 --> 01:08:15.199
<v Speaker 6>we do is within the confines of the law, and

1202
01:08:15.559 --> 01:08:18.720
<v Speaker 6>we are grateful for over two hundred years of history

1203
01:08:18.760 --> 01:08:20.920
<v Speaker 6>that have explained what that law is, what it entails.

1204
01:08:21.319 --> 01:08:21.760
<v Speaker 5>Just held a.

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01:08:21.760 --> 01:08:26.520
<v Speaker 6>Masterclass in December read us the Riot Act did everything

1206
01:08:26.560 --> 01:08:28.520
<v Speaker 6>but throw us in jail, and I was glad that

1207
01:08:28.600 --> 01:08:30.039
<v Speaker 6>he was on our side at the end of that thing.

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<v Speaker 6>And the message that I heard loud and clear was

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01:08:34.800 --> 01:08:37.199
<v Speaker 6>you don't ban drag because that's a violation of freedom

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01:08:37.239 --> 01:08:39.119
<v Speaker 6>of speech. And every time that it's ever happened has

1211
01:08:39.119 --> 01:08:41.920
<v Speaker 6>gotten struck down so much so that now anytime a

1212
01:08:41.960 --> 01:08:44.840
<v Speaker 6>community does so, it gets struck down before, like as

1213
01:08:44.880 --> 01:08:46.319
<v Speaker 6>soon as the law has passed, they just go and

1214
01:08:46.439 --> 01:08:48.000
<v Speaker 6>by the way, just go ahead and file the injunction.

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<v Speaker 5>We'll see you in court.

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<v Speaker 6>You'll notice, those of you who have read it, this

1217
01:08:53.560 --> 01:08:55.600
<v Speaker 6>ordinance is not about drag.

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01:08:57.359 --> 01:09:01.800
<v Speaker 5>Drag brought it up in our community, brought it up.

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01:09:03.880 --> 01:09:05.640
<v Speaker 6>But it's not a question of are we trying to

1220
01:09:05.680 --> 01:09:07.600
<v Speaker 6>ban a specific thing. If it is that, then we

1221
01:09:07.640 --> 01:09:09.359
<v Speaker 6>are honing in on a piece of our community, a

1222
01:09:09.399 --> 01:09:14.640
<v Speaker 6>part of our community that feels very targeted. And because

1223
01:09:14.680 --> 01:09:17.399
<v Speaker 6>it is difficult for us to decide whose values win,

1224
01:09:17.840 --> 01:09:19.960
<v Speaker 6>the reason you have the first Amendment. You need some

1225
01:09:20.079 --> 01:09:23.079
<v Speaker 6>dispassionate referees. You need people who can look at it,

1226
01:09:23.159 --> 01:09:25.560
<v Speaker 6>who are not just elected by the general will of

1227
01:09:25.640 --> 01:09:28.920
<v Speaker 6>the people, but who also have a way to analyze

1228
01:09:28.960 --> 01:09:31.960
<v Speaker 6>the situation and make a distinction based on the thing

1229
01:09:32.039 --> 01:09:35.520
<v Speaker 6>that we have all said. I care about the health

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01:09:35.520 --> 01:09:38.520
<v Speaker 6>of my children. I care about the well being of

1231
01:09:38.560 --> 01:09:45.359
<v Speaker 6>my children. Interestingly, I had a wonderful conversation with some

1232
01:09:45.520 --> 01:09:49.279
<v Speaker 6>ladies over the last week who they read this and said,

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01:09:49.479 --> 01:09:51.119
<v Speaker 6>we can't support it, and I said, that's okay, thank

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01:09:51.119 --> 01:09:51.680
<v Speaker 6>you for telling me.

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<v Speaker 14>So.

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<v Speaker 5>What I have suggested here.

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01:09:56.079 --> 01:09:58.920
<v Speaker 6>Is that if there is an ordinance to do, if

1238
01:09:58.960 --> 01:10:02.039
<v Speaker 6>you guys like it, you know, if we think it's valid,

1239
01:10:02.079 --> 01:10:07.640
<v Speaker 6>if legal counsel thinks, if whatever is to consider anything

1240
01:10:07.720 --> 01:10:09.920
<v Speaker 6>in everything that the lens of public of children's health

1241
01:10:10.279 --> 01:10:12.479
<v Speaker 6>for the sole reason that that is what the Supreme

1242
01:10:12.520 --> 01:10:14.119
<v Speaker 6>Court has said the government is supposed to do.

1243
01:10:15.039 --> 01:10:17.319
<v Speaker 5>Now, there are people who don't like that.

1244
01:10:17.399 --> 01:10:19.279
<v Speaker 6>What I suggest it also is that we have a

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01:10:19.359 --> 01:10:21.760
<v Speaker 6>separate board that has medical and mental health professionals on

1246
01:10:21.840 --> 01:10:24.399
<v Speaker 6>it who can tell us, based on the scientific literature,

1247
01:10:24.640 --> 01:10:27.359
<v Speaker 6>the best medical literature, what it says about this and

1248
01:10:27.560 --> 01:10:30.439
<v Speaker 6>if any specific activity is going to have long term

1249
01:10:30.479 --> 01:10:35.039
<v Speaker 6>negative health effects for our kids. If you believe that,

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01:10:35.560 --> 01:10:37.960
<v Speaker 6>whatever you're into, and I know there's a lot of

1251
01:10:38.000 --> 01:10:39.840
<v Speaker 6>all the talks about drag right now. Okay, but this

1252
01:10:40.000 --> 01:10:43.640
<v Speaker 6>is meant to be about everything. We have SunFest, we

1253
01:10:43.760 --> 01:10:47.159
<v Speaker 6>have Grace Fest, we have the Old the Classic Car Show,

1254
01:10:47.199 --> 01:10:49.720
<v Speaker 6>we have about a dozen events that are over five

1255
01:10:49.800 --> 01:10:51.279
<v Speaker 6>hundred people easily every year.

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01:10:52.680 --> 01:10:55.600
<v Speaker 5>Then if you believe that any and all of those

1257
01:10:56.079 --> 01:10:57.119
<v Speaker 5>have no negative.

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01:10:56.760 --> 01:11:00.880
<v Speaker 6>Health effects on kids, then there is no risk to disordinance.

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01:11:01.800 --> 01:11:05.119
<v Speaker 6>Like the biggest risk is that we waste five volunteers time.

1260
01:11:09.239 --> 01:11:11.119
<v Speaker 6>And if there is possible risk, then it should be

1261
01:11:11.199 --> 01:11:13.720
<v Speaker 6>provable based on evidence, not based on the opinions of

1262
01:11:13.760 --> 01:11:18.520
<v Speaker 6>people who disagree over values and worldviews. Even so, the

1263
01:11:18.560 --> 01:11:20.880
<v Speaker 6>city council then would have to decide. It would come

1264
01:11:20.920 --> 01:11:22.840
<v Speaker 6>to us to decide whether or not and have been

1265
01:11:22.920 --> 01:11:26.680
<v Speaker 6>gets banned, But we would do so with the recommendation

1266
01:11:26.800 --> 01:11:29.680
<v Speaker 6>of medical health professionals who can bring evidence and say

1267
01:11:29.800 --> 01:11:30.600
<v Speaker 6>this is why we're.

1268
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<v Speaker 5>Making this suggestion.

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01:11:33.600 --> 01:11:37.359
<v Speaker 6>I don't know another way to have legitimate conversations about

1270
01:11:37.439 --> 01:11:42.199
<v Speaker 6>children's health suit to take it out of this I said,

1271
01:11:42.279 --> 01:11:45.600
<v Speaker 6>I said back in the campaign season. I think my opinion,

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01:11:46.319 --> 01:11:54.000
<v Speaker 6>not medical science, that body dysphoria and cigarette ads.

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01:11:53.760 --> 01:11:55.359
<v Speaker 5>Have a lot in common. That's my.

1274
01:11:57.279 --> 01:12:00.239
<v Speaker 6>You know, legal hypothesis with no legal experience.

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01:12:02.279 --> 01:12:02.880
<v Speaker 5>With cigarettes.

1276
01:12:02.920 --> 01:12:05.760
<v Speaker 6>What you had was one side saying these are really

1277
01:12:05.840 --> 01:12:08.199
<v Speaker 6>dangerous for kids, on the other side saying this is

1278
01:12:08.359 --> 01:12:11.079
<v Speaker 6>just fine. And it took a long time for the

1279
01:12:11.119 --> 01:12:13.239
<v Speaker 6>medical science to finally break through where the court got

1280
01:12:13.640 --> 01:12:15.920
<v Speaker 6>involved and said, okay, we see one side over the other.

1281
01:12:16.840 --> 01:12:18.960
<v Speaker 6>I will be the first to say this is slow.

1282
01:12:21.680 --> 01:12:24.000
<v Speaker 6>But it can't just be in the hands of the

1283
01:12:24.079 --> 01:12:26.159
<v Speaker 6>vested parties one way or the other just to make

1284
01:12:26.239 --> 01:12:28.479
<v Speaker 6>arbitrary decisions when speech is involved. It mustn't be.

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01:12:29.479 --> 01:12:31.119
<v Speaker 5>This is the only way I know to create a referee.

1286
01:12:31.159 --> 01:12:32.319
<v Speaker 6>Is the only way I could figure out to create

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<v Speaker 6>a referee. So if your kids feel unsafe in this community,

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01:12:38.039 --> 01:12:43.359
<v Speaker 6>hear you, and their safety matters equally valuable to every

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01:12:43.399 --> 01:12:45.720
<v Speaker 6>other child in this community, no matter where. I well,

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<v Speaker 6>I don't want to get too personal. When I say

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<v Speaker 6>our community, I mean every man, woman, and child that

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01:12:53.159 --> 01:12:58.359
<v Speaker 6>live in this community. Understanding this is incredibly hot topic.

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<v Speaker 6>This is the conversation part where you got tell me

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01:13:06.199 --> 01:13:08.000
<v Speaker 6>what you thought, cause y'all ready saying that I can

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<v Speaker 6>read a word for it.

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<v Speaker 20>Yeah, I read it. I think, Uh, it hits all

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01:13:13.680 --> 01:13:15.119
<v Speaker 20>the topics you talk about. It doesn't.

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<v Speaker 41>It doesn't specifically name anything or call anybody out it

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01:13:18.560 --> 01:13:20.279
<v Speaker 41>talks about children and health.

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<v Speaker 20>I don't know. Of course, I'm not an attorney, so

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<v Speaker 20>I I can't give you the legal opinion on it.

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<v Speaker 41>We do have a very good city attorney who gave

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01:13:29.000 --> 01:13:33.399
<v Speaker 41>us a lot of information at orientation, so I you know,

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01:13:33.439 --> 01:13:36.760
<v Speaker 41>I would probably ask uh to get some way in there.

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01:13:37.000 --> 01:13:41.199
<v Speaker 20>What you know constitutionally how this plays.

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<v Speaker 31>Uh.

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<v Speaker 41>I know there's a couple of cases that I think

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01:13:44.159 --> 01:13:47.880
<v Speaker 41>are more recent, maybe since the orientation that uh has

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<v Speaker 41>to do with the health and preservation of health, which

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01:13:50.640 --> 01:13:52.520
<v Speaker 41>was I think West West Texas A and M. And

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01:13:52.560 --> 01:13:54.880
<v Speaker 41>then there was a case in Tennessee and and I've

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01:13:55.000 --> 01:13:57.399
<v Speaker 41>read up on 'em. But again, not a not an attorney,

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01:13:57.439 --> 01:13:58.239
<v Speaker 41>and I know you are.

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<v Speaker 20>You're good at your job, so I'll I'll let you

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01:14:01.159 --> 01:14:02.640
<v Speaker 20>uh weigh in on those things.

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<v Speaker 28>Thanks a lot.

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<v Speaker 29>Uh.

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<v Speaker 18>Yes, Uh, this this is not intended to be my show.

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<v Speaker 18>You've all heard the result of my two years of

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<v Speaker 18>research on this topic.

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<v Speaker 13>UH.

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<v Speaker 18>And you've also heard me freely admit that I'm not

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01:14:19.439 --> 01:14:22.600
<v Speaker 18>an expert in these matters, not a First Amendment scholar.

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01:14:22.960 --> 01:14:24.840
<v Speaker 18>I've never tried a First Amendment case.

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<v Speaker 37>Uh.

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<v Speaker 18>I'm a a small town lawyer who happens to have

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01:14:28.560 --> 01:14:32.039
<v Speaker 18>represented municipalities for fifteen years, and uh, this.

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01:14:32.600 --> 01:14:34.159
<v Speaker 5>Was never on my BIGO card.

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<v Speaker 18>So you can take what I say with a grain

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01:14:38.920 --> 01:14:41.439
<v Speaker 18>of salt and you're not going to offend me at all.

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<v Speaker 18>Counselor Kirkpatrick, I I wanna pay you a compliment. Politics

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01:14:50.880 --> 01:14:53.359
<v Speaker 18>is is not my job. My job is to give

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<v Speaker 18>you correct legal advice. But I believe you campaigned on

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01:14:56.159 --> 01:14:58.239
<v Speaker 18>being an out of the box thinker. I think you've

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01:14:58.279 --> 01:15:00.920
<v Speaker 18>delivered on that promise. I'm never seen anything like this.

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<v Speaker 18>In two years of following the cases that are making

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01:15:06.239 --> 01:15:08.439
<v Speaker 18>their way through the core system, I have not seen

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01:15:08.920 --> 01:15:15.279
<v Speaker 18>this strategy try. So I cannot opine with with any

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01:15:15.479 --> 01:15:18.439
<v Speaker 18>kind of certainty on how.

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<v Speaker 5>This would play out.

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<v Speaker 18>I have a few thoughts that I'm willing to share

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<v Speaker 18>with you, as long as you promise not to quote me,

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<v Speaker 18>because this just hasn't been tried. You've mentioned Council in Dorsey,

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01:15:31.920 --> 01:15:35.399
<v Speaker 18>the Tennessee case. I think you're referring to friends of

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<v Speaker 18>George's v.

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<v Speaker 5>Mulroy.

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<v Speaker 20>Correct, Yes, sir, sorry, that is.

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01:15:39.520 --> 01:15:40.159
<v Speaker 5>I get a lot of.

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<v Speaker 18>Questions about that because people don't understand the procedural posture

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01:15:44.720 --> 01:15:47.920
<v Speaker 18>of that case, which is that was actually the very

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01:15:47.960 --> 01:15:51.520
<v Speaker 18>first case that was discussed in my very first presentation

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01:15:51.640 --> 01:15:56.399
<v Speaker 18>to this Council UH And in that case, the State

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01:15:56.439 --> 01:16:00.960
<v Speaker 18>of Tennessee passed law that that banned or restricted drag

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01:16:01.800 --> 01:16:08.800
<v Speaker 18>that was immediately challenged by a local drag performance troupe

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01:16:09.000 --> 01:16:13.560
<v Speaker 18>called Friends of George's, and the district court immediately entered

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01:16:13.880 --> 01:16:17.680
<v Speaker 18>a temporary restraining order restraining the State of Tennessee from

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01:16:17.800 --> 01:16:21.760
<v Speaker 18>enforcing that law. That case quickly went to trial and

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01:16:22.520 --> 01:16:27.079
<v Speaker 18>the law was struck down as unconstitutional. That case went

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<v Speaker 18>up to the Sixth Circuit on appeal by the State

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01:16:29.560 --> 01:16:36.039
<v Speaker 18>of Tennessee, and the Sixth Circuit ruled that, in fact,

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<v Speaker 18>Friends of Georgie's did not have standing to challenge the law,

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<v Speaker 18>so it was overturned. And that is what confuses people.

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<v Speaker 18>They see that, Oh, that means the State of Tennessee

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<v Speaker 18>wins that this this law is without constitutional problems.

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<v Speaker 5>That's not the case.

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<v Speaker 18>What, in fact, what the Sixth Circuit ruled is is

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<v Speaker 18>that the State of Tennessee never even tried to enforce

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<v Speaker 18>the law against Friends of Georgie's, had no intention of

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01:17:06.199 --> 01:17:09.840
<v Speaker 18>enforcing the law, hadn't threatened to enforce the law, and

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<v Speaker 18>that in fact, based on the facts that were alleged

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<v Speaker 18>by Friends of George's, they would not have been in

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<v Speaker 18>violation of the law. They could have as many drag

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01:17:21.199 --> 01:17:23.680
<v Speaker 18>shows as they wanted, and they would not have violated

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<v Speaker 18>the Tennessee law. That was the finding of the sixth Circuit,

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<v Speaker 18>and therefore Friends of George's was without constitutional standing to

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01:17:33.279 --> 01:17:37.920
<v Speaker 18>challenge the law court, the district courts, the trial courts,

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01:17:38.000 --> 01:17:43.560
<v Speaker 18>underlying findings after trial, and the merits on the unconstitutionality

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01:17:43.760 --> 01:17:44.880
<v Speaker 18>of the law.

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<v Speaker 5>Have not been ruled upon by the Sixth Circuit.

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<v Speaker 18>They are in the only outstanding district court ruling on

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01:17:55.079 --> 01:17:58.399
<v Speaker 18>the constitutionality of that law. They were not disturbed by

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01:17:58.439 --> 01:18:02.000
<v Speaker 18>the ruling of the sixth Circuit, and they are are

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01:18:03.479 --> 01:18:06.640
<v Speaker 18>findings that still need to be considered. That is is

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01:18:06.760 --> 01:18:10.960
<v Speaker 18>that the law is inherently unconstitutional if it was applied

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<v Speaker 18>against a group.

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<v Speaker 5>That actually intended to violate the law.

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<v Speaker 18>So the applicability here to what Councilman Kirkpatrick has presented

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01:18:23.279 --> 01:18:27.840
<v Speaker 18>is is that I think what he has presented, or

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<v Speaker 18>what he has proposed, would make it very difficult for

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<v Speaker 18>an outside group to establish standing. Until this committee actually

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01:18:37.399 --> 01:18:42.680
<v Speaker 18>voted to cancel a show, cract show, or or whatever,

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01:18:44.119 --> 01:18:48.079
<v Speaker 18>no group would have standing to challenge it. So I

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<v Speaker 18>think that I I it's an interesting idea in that

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01:18:51.840 --> 01:18:54.960
<v Speaker 18>it it it would not bring a challenge until an

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01:18:55.039 --> 01:18:59.520
<v Speaker 18>action was actually taken UH, even more so than what

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<v Speaker 18>you see in the Friends of George's case.

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<v Speaker 31>UH.

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<v Speaker 18>And and again in Friends of George's UH, based on

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<v Speaker 18>the the the UH uncontroverted facts of the case. UH,

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<v Speaker 18>Friends of George's was not in violation of the Tennessee

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01:19:12.479 --> 01:19:16.920
<v Speaker 18>law and hadn't even been UH threatened with with UH prosecution.

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<v Speaker 18>So in in in this instance what Councilor Kirkpatrick has proposed, UH,

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01:19:23.439 --> 01:19:25.520
<v Speaker 18>there could be no standing until.

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01:19:25.319 --> 01:19:26.319
<v Speaker 5>Something is actually done.

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<v Speaker 18>And so I think that is an is an interesting

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01:19:29.199 --> 01:19:35.840
<v Speaker 18>aspect of what you have proposed. The other case, UH,

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<v Speaker 18>mister Dorsey, that that UH you mentioned was the West

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<v Speaker 18>Texas A and M University case. I did mention that

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<v Speaker 18>in in my UH presentation of the Council in December.

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<v Speaker 21>UH.

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<v Speaker 18>That is is available online for anybody that wants to

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<v Speaker 18>watch it, and I'm happy to provide my re PowerPoint

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01:19:53.680 --> 01:19:58.359
<v Speaker 18>presentation to anybody that wants to see it. The difference

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01:19:58.560 --> 01:20:00.880
<v Speaker 18>in the West Texas A and N case is that

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<v Speaker 18>is and why it's different from here is that uh.

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<v Speaker 18>That is is what is is called by the judge

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01:20:09.119 --> 01:20:13.640
<v Speaker 18>in UH in the district court as a a campus case,

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01:20:14.000 --> 01:20:17.920
<v Speaker 18>which is that it's it's generally understood that students, uh

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01:20:18.119 --> 01:20:20.960
<v Speaker 18>do not have full control over their First Amendment rights

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01:20:21.000 --> 01:20:25.560
<v Speaker 18>when they're on campus. UH and so they're a college

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01:20:25.640 --> 01:20:28.720
<v Speaker 18>president may very well have more leeway and regulating speech

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01:20:29.119 --> 01:20:30.079
<v Speaker 18>than this body does.

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<v Speaker 39>So UH.

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<v Speaker 1>That is, by the way, and UH, that is.

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<v Speaker 18>The reason I presented that case in my presentation, UH,

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01:20:40.159 --> 01:20:41.760
<v Speaker 18>and I've been following it is cause it is the

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<v Speaker 18>only case that I'm aware of in which a drag

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01:20:45.000 --> 01:20:48.800
<v Speaker 18>regulation uh was was passed or in this case, institute

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01:20:48.840 --> 01:20:51.760
<v Speaker 18>by a university president that wasn't immediately restrained by the

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01:20:51.800 --> 01:20:54.560
<v Speaker 18>district court. It's the only it's it's an outlier. It's

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01:20:54.640 --> 01:20:57.319
<v Speaker 18>the only case that I'm aware of that hasn't resulted

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01:20:57.359 --> 01:21:01.479
<v Speaker 18>in immediate TRM. So UH, but I don't think it

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01:21:01.520 --> 01:21:04.720
<v Speaker 18>has a lot of applicability to this situation because it

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<v Speaker 18>is specifically with college university.

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<v Speaker 41>So and I know you kind of touched on those

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<v Speaker 41>in the orientation. Thanks for some summarizing them again. I

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<v Speaker 41>think the reason I'm asking is because that's I think

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<v Speaker 41>we are all talking to people in the community, and

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01:21:20.159 --> 01:21:22.880
<v Speaker 41>we're you know, whether you're one side of the issue

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01:21:22.960 --> 01:21:24.640
<v Speaker 41>or the other, and those seem to be the cases

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01:21:24.680 --> 01:21:26.399
<v Speaker 41>that you're thrown out to me the most.

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<v Speaker 20>Well, what about this case?

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01:21:27.359 --> 01:21:29.279
<v Speaker 5>What people concentrate and I can try to.

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01:21:29.279 --> 01:21:31.560
<v Speaker 20>Talk through it that you know, again, probably don't do

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01:21:31.720 --> 01:21:32.760
<v Speaker 20>that near the justice up.

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01:21:32.880 --> 01:21:35.359
<v Speaker 18>People want to concentrate on the case that says what

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01:21:35.439 --> 01:21:37.199
<v Speaker 18>they wanted to say, and they want to ignore all

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01:21:37.239 --> 01:21:37.960
<v Speaker 18>the other cases.

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<v Speaker 5>What I've tried to do for the last two years,

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01:21:41.039 --> 01:21:42.279
<v Speaker 5>since this council.

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01:21:42.119 --> 01:21:44.920
<v Speaker 18>Told me to follow this stuff, is I follow all

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01:21:44.960 --> 01:21:49.239
<v Speaker 18>other cases and I have have consistently tried to update

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01:21:49.319 --> 01:21:55.319
<v Speaker 18>this discouncil anything anytime there is as a ruling, regardless.

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01:21:54.800 --> 01:21:55.640
<v Speaker 5>Of which way it's gone.

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<v Speaker 18>And the reality is is that most of these cases

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<v Speaker 18>have immediately resulted in the regulation being being restrained or

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01:22:06.680 --> 01:22:08.159
<v Speaker 18>overturned as unconstitutional.

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01:22:10.000 --> 01:22:11.119
<v Speaker 5>Why do you guys think.

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01:22:13.079 --> 01:22:17.600
<v Speaker 6>This issue, specifically the drag show, Why do you think

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01:22:17.920 --> 01:22:20.880
<v Speaker 6>from the conversations y'all are having, why is this treated

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01:22:21.000 --> 01:22:26.960
<v Speaker 6>so differently than so many other disagreements in our community?

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<v Speaker 6>Because in the conversation I'm having. It is a lot

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01:22:30.159 --> 01:22:33.039
<v Speaker 6>of a lot of live and let live. Like there's

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01:22:33.039 --> 01:22:33.600
<v Speaker 6>been a lot of.

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01:22:36.520 --> 01:22:37.239
<v Speaker 5>You know, we do.

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01:22:37.399 --> 01:22:40.439
<v Speaker 6>There's lots of different groups with different opinions, different ideas,

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01:22:40.560 --> 01:22:43.039
<v Speaker 6>different you know, disagreements or whatever, and we're fairly las

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01:22:43.199 --> 01:22:45.640
<v Speaker 6>fair about it everything. But this has become like the

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01:22:45.880 --> 01:22:49.399
<v Speaker 6>flashpoint where people have really dug in.

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<v Speaker 5>As y'all have talked to people.

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<v Speaker 6>What makes this different than some of the other issues

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01:22:56.920 --> 01:22:58.039
<v Speaker 6>or disagreements that we have had.

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01:22:58.239 --> 01:22:59.279
<v Speaker 5>What are people telling you?

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<v Speaker 41>Well, at least initially whenever that was it? When was

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01:23:06.000 --> 01:23:09.560
<v Speaker 41>the first show twenty two, twenty two? I think that

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01:23:09.680 --> 01:23:11.479
<v Speaker 41>one was when the big hup of was because there

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01:23:11.520 --> 01:23:13.760
<v Speaker 41>was a lot of pictures and things that surfaced from it.

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01:23:14.279 --> 01:23:16.520
<v Speaker 41>Based on those, you know, it would appear like that

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01:23:16.640 --> 01:23:20.159
<v Speaker 41>it was more adult theme. Since that time, I think

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01:23:20.279 --> 01:23:23.079
<v Speaker 41>last year, maybe even this year, there was pictures, videos

1481
01:23:23.119 --> 01:23:23.720
<v Speaker 41>and that kind of thing.

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01:23:24.039 --> 01:23:24.520
<v Speaker 20>I don't think it.

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<v Speaker 41>I think it differed from the shows, and I think

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01:23:26.600 --> 01:23:29.399
<v Speaker 41>that a lot of the residents that that had brought

1485
01:23:29.560 --> 01:23:33.159
<v Speaker 41>attention to this whole issue with me has been then

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01:23:33.319 --> 01:23:36.319
<v Speaker 41>the difference in the narrative of what happened and when

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01:23:36.479 --> 01:23:38.279
<v Speaker 41>and so and.

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<v Speaker 20>I I agree with you.

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<v Speaker 5>I think we have to.

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<v Speaker 41>Have people weigh in that have the true data and

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01:23:48.399 --> 01:23:50.920
<v Speaker 41>the statistics about you know, mental health and this and

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01:23:51.000 --> 01:23:53.800
<v Speaker 41>that and and that's the only way we can come

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01:23:53.840 --> 01:23:55.800
<v Speaker 41>to I think, get everybody to come to an agreement

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01:23:56.000 --> 01:23:58.600
<v Speaker 41>or come together as one and figure out really what

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01:23:59.720 --> 01:24:00.560
<v Speaker 41>we can or.

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01:24:00.600 --> 01:24:02.800
<v Speaker 1>Can or shitt what?

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01:24:03.000 --> 01:24:03.039
<v Speaker 14>What?

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<v Speaker 5>What about you guys? What'd go?

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<v Speaker 1>I just think the veracity of the protests that we

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<v Speaker 1>had after that is what on a community scale, heightened

1501
01:24:16.359 --> 01:24:19.840
<v Speaker 1>it And as just said earlier today, and that when

1502
01:24:20.319 --> 01:24:22.520
<v Speaker 1>HBO came to town, it just brought it to a

1503
01:24:22.600 --> 01:24:23.319
<v Speaker 1>whole other level.

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01:24:24.119 --> 01:24:24.239
<v Speaker 14>Uh.

1505
01:24:24.359 --> 01:24:26.239
<v Speaker 1>It could well have been something we might have worked

1506
01:24:26.279 --> 01:24:30.119
<v Speaker 1>out in the community over a period of time. Uh,

1507
01:24:30.199 --> 01:24:33.359
<v Speaker 1>we had some good discourse with members of the Pride

1508
01:24:33.399 --> 01:24:36.159
<v Speaker 1>community here m and within a short period of time

1509
01:24:36.239 --> 01:24:38.960
<v Speaker 1>of that, uh, that kind of went away. So we're

1510
01:24:39.359 --> 01:24:44.359
<v Speaker 1>we're left with this remaining remnant of of Uh, this

1511
01:24:45.880 --> 01:24:48.239
<v Speaker 1>difficult discourse we went through a couple of years ago,

1512
01:24:48.560 --> 01:24:51.680
<v Speaker 1>and it certainly calmed down since then, and tonight was

1513
01:24:52.199 --> 01:24:55.760
<v Speaker 1>a great reflection of that. I I feel, Uh, the

1514
01:24:55.840 --> 01:24:59.199
<v Speaker 1>conversation tonight was very productive from a lot of people.

1515
01:24:59.800 --> 01:25:04.000
<v Speaker 1>Uh that weren't near as in and not the individual,

1516
01:25:04.039 --> 01:25:06.079
<v Speaker 1>but the k the conversations we've had before in the

1517
01:25:06.119 --> 01:25:09.520
<v Speaker 1>council session have been a lot worse than that, and

1518
01:25:09.680 --> 01:25:12.800
<v Speaker 1>tonight I think everybody spoke their heart, spoke their mind,

1519
01:25:12.960 --> 01:25:15.239
<v Speaker 1>and that helps bring it down to a better level

1520
01:25:15.279 --> 01:25:17.079
<v Speaker 1>where we can talk about it. But to me, it

1521
01:25:17.199 --> 01:25:20.640
<v Speaker 1>was just the uh, the significance of the protests and

1522
01:25:21.199 --> 01:25:24.399
<v Speaker 1>those the tough rhetoric that came from those meetings that

1523
01:25:24.520 --> 01:25:26.319
<v Speaker 1>just brought it to a level where, you know, it

1524
01:25:26.479 --> 01:25:30.640
<v Speaker 1>was very difficult to deal with. And of the religious

1525
01:25:30.680 --> 01:25:32.800
<v Speaker 1>factor too. We had to deal with both sides of

1526
01:25:32.840 --> 01:25:35.840
<v Speaker 1>the rel reli religious elements of it because condemning us

1527
01:25:35.880 --> 01:25:38.479
<v Speaker 1>as not being Christian because we were uh putting up

1528
01:25:38.520 --> 01:25:40.680
<v Speaker 1>with it, and uh the that that remnants are still

1529
01:25:40.680 --> 01:25:41.239
<v Speaker 1>out there today.

1530
01:25:47.439 --> 01:25:51.000
<v Speaker 2>And I think, uh, just for us a little uh

1531
01:25:52.279 --> 01:25:57.600
<v Speaker 2>really representative of a very conservative community, deeply held uh

1532
01:25:57.680 --> 01:26:02.520
<v Speaker 2>deeply held moral convictions that I feel like you knows,

1533
01:26:02.640 --> 01:26:05.159
<v Speaker 2>as you've brought out here in your proposal or harm

1534
01:26:05.279 --> 01:26:08.079
<v Speaker 2>to children, and I think, uh, that's one of the

1535
01:26:08.119 --> 01:26:11.479
<v Speaker 2>big concerns, and that's that's what I've heard in talking with.

1536
01:26:11.520 --> 01:26:12.159
<v Speaker 28>People, so.

1537
01:26:14.880 --> 01:26:17.159
<v Speaker 2>You know, and I you know, I I I do

1538
01:26:17.279 --> 01:26:19.720
<v Speaker 2>wanna speak as you you did a little bit.

1539
01:26:21.359 --> 01:26:22.079
<v Speaker 1>To this as well.

1540
01:26:22.199 --> 01:26:26.920
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I it it saddens me that I anybody

1541
01:26:27.199 --> 01:26:31.319
<v Speaker 2>does not feel safe or feels threatened uh in their

1542
01:26:32.439 --> 01:26:39.560
<v Speaker 2>life and their property, whatever their person, and that absolutely

1543
01:26:39.720 --> 01:26:40.039
<v Speaker 2>is wrong.

1544
01:26:40.319 --> 01:26:41.199
<v Speaker 1>Regardless of where.

1545
01:26:41.079 --> 01:26:45.640
<v Speaker 2>You stand on on this issue, we do need to

1546
01:26:45.720 --> 01:26:48.840
<v Speaker 2>be loving and accepting of people, uh, even when we

1547
01:26:48.920 --> 01:26:52.600
<v Speaker 2>don't agree with their lifestyle or uh other choices.

1548
01:26:52.279 --> 01:26:52.760
<v Speaker 5>That they make.

1549
01:26:53.600 --> 01:27:02.039
<v Speaker 6>So s one of the one of the things that

1550
01:27:02.079 --> 01:27:08.960
<v Speaker 6>I feel, I mean pretty deeply in a place like

1551
01:27:09.039 --> 01:27:10.239
<v Speaker 6>Bartles but we see all over.

1552
01:27:10.119 --> 01:27:10.600
<v Speaker 5>The country that.

1553
01:27:13.239 --> 01:27:17.279
<v Speaker 6>Many many people invoke Jesus on their side when those

1554
01:27:17.279 --> 01:27:20.800
<v Speaker 6>sides vehemently disagree with each other. And what we're not

1555
01:27:20.920 --> 01:27:23.399
<v Speaker 6>trying to do is be in the is being the

1556
01:27:25.119 --> 01:27:27.920
<v Speaker 6>the place of regulating or choosing, but you know, being

1557
01:27:27.920 --> 01:27:29.800
<v Speaker 6>the referee between people's religious.

1558
01:27:29.399 --> 01:27:30.479
<v Speaker 5>Convictions, right.

1559
01:27:32.479 --> 01:27:35.119
<v Speaker 6>And I mean, I'm I'm a I'm a pastor about

1560
01:27:35.119 --> 01:27:38.960
<v Speaker 6>as conservative as they come. But I'm not called to

1561
01:27:39.039 --> 01:27:40.800
<v Speaker 6>be everybody in here's pastor if you're not part of

1562
01:27:40.840 --> 01:27:41.199
<v Speaker 6>my church.

1563
01:27:42.079 --> 01:27:42.199
<v Speaker 2>Uh.

1564
01:27:42.359 --> 01:27:44.079
<v Speaker 6>And so one of the challenges we have here is

1565
01:27:44.159 --> 01:27:46.600
<v Speaker 6>that the first amendment we always talk about is to

1566
01:27:46.800 --> 01:27:49.199
<v Speaker 6>speak against government and all tyranny and all that, and

1567
01:27:49.319 --> 01:27:52.279
<v Speaker 6>that's true, but it was also to protect people from

1568
01:27:53.960 --> 01:27:58.600
<v Speaker 6>state sponsored churches, and so because that's where all these

1569
01:27:58.640 --> 01:28:00.800
<v Speaker 6>people came from. It's places where we're told you have

1570
01:28:00.880 --> 01:28:02.880
<v Speaker 6>to be this. You know, literally, these people have just

1571
01:28:02.920 --> 01:28:05.680
<v Speaker 6>come across the ocean after getting slaughtered by other people

1572
01:28:05.760 --> 01:28:09.319
<v Speaker 6>who disagree with the non religious values. So part of

1573
01:28:09.359 --> 01:28:12.079
<v Speaker 6>what I'm trying to what I'm trying to pursue in

1574
01:28:12.239 --> 01:28:15.039
<v Speaker 6>this is a way for us to have a standard

1575
01:28:15.079 --> 01:28:18.760
<v Speaker 6>that we can agree upon in a pluralistic society, because

1576
01:28:18.800 --> 01:28:21.560
<v Speaker 6>there are differences even just we heard here, between people's

1577
01:28:21.560 --> 01:28:24.399
<v Speaker 6>own religious backgrounds, different flavor of religion, even if you

1578
01:28:24.439 --> 01:28:26.880
<v Speaker 6>happen to all profess the same, you know, for all

1579
01:28:26.920 --> 01:28:29.359
<v Speaker 6>the Christians in here, we got to lots of different churches.

1580
01:28:30.000 --> 01:28:32.399
<v Speaker 5>So we've had pay and speak, we've had you.

1581
01:28:32.439 --> 01:28:39.239
<v Speaker 6>Know, people from different perspectives and so, but if we

1582
01:28:39.319 --> 01:28:42.119
<v Speaker 6>want this to be a community thing, if the heat

1583
01:28:42.119 --> 01:28:43.720
<v Speaker 6>got turned up when we're trying to turn the heat

1584
01:28:43.840 --> 01:28:47.439
<v Speaker 6>down so that our kids are seeing an example of

1585
01:28:47.479 --> 01:28:50.680
<v Speaker 6>a community that can disagree but can still move forward together,

1586
01:28:51.479 --> 01:28:53.199
<v Speaker 6>then we have to find some kind of a standard

1587
01:28:53.239 --> 01:28:55.039
<v Speaker 6>that we can agree upon. If we're going to make

1588
01:28:55.079 --> 01:28:59.039
<v Speaker 6>this not always a fight, and if we are a

1589
01:28:59.159 --> 01:29:04.520
<v Speaker 6>good faith actors in our community, that requires give and

1590
01:29:04.560 --> 01:29:07.800
<v Speaker 6>take across the board, which is a challenge because we

1591
01:29:07.920 --> 01:29:10.199
<v Speaker 6>have hurt each other with our words and actions and

1592
01:29:10.279 --> 01:29:16.319
<v Speaker 6>threats over the years. I'm speaking of the complexity of

1593
01:29:16.359 --> 01:29:18.199
<v Speaker 6>this not because I have like an easy solution here.

1594
01:29:18.600 --> 01:29:22.119
<v Speaker 6>What I am proposing here. What I'm proposing here is

1595
01:29:22.479 --> 01:29:27.680
<v Speaker 6>I hope a way to hone in on a value

1596
01:29:27.760 --> 01:29:33.239
<v Speaker 6>that we share that can be defined in a way

1597
01:29:33.319 --> 01:29:37.960
<v Speaker 6>that does not require our opinions or our preconceived, our preconceptions,

1598
01:29:38.000 --> 01:29:41.399
<v Speaker 6>our presuppositions, where we can remove our presuppositions from the

1599
01:29:41.439 --> 01:29:43.079
<v Speaker 6>decision making process.

1600
01:29:45.680 --> 01:29:48.079
<v Speaker 5>And basically agreed to have referees.

1601
01:29:48.800 --> 01:29:50.680
<v Speaker 6>There's a case going through They just went through the

1602
01:29:50.720 --> 01:29:52.279
<v Speaker 6>Supreme Court. I was hoping, Jess, you might share a

1603
01:29:52.279 --> 01:29:54.960
<v Speaker 6>little bit about because my argument is about children's health.

1604
01:29:55.800 --> 01:29:57.920
<v Speaker 6>There was I believe a case that was seen by

1605
01:29:57.960 --> 01:30:00.239
<v Speaker 6>the Supreme Court in December where that it was the

1606
01:30:00.319 --> 01:30:02.840
<v Speaker 6>main part of the argument there the logic, uh, of

1607
01:30:02.920 --> 01:30:03.760
<v Speaker 6>the of the law.

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01:30:04.399 --> 01:30:06.640
<v Speaker 18>I'm' share a little bit about that, yes, and I

1609
01:30:06.680 --> 01:30:09.680
<v Speaker 18>appreciate you uh uh giving me a heads up about this.

1610
01:30:10.039 --> 01:30:10.159
<v Speaker 31>Uh.

1611
01:30:11.439 --> 01:30:14.239
<v Speaker 18>I feel like my my law school days were being called.

1612
01:30:14.279 --> 01:30:15.279
<v Speaker 5>I'm a professor to.

1613
01:30:15.760 --> 01:30:18.560
<v Speaker 18>Brief the case that we're s was to talk about today,

1614
01:30:19.279 --> 01:30:23.640
<v Speaker 18>UH this case that that uh uh that you interadents

1615
01:30:23.760 --> 01:30:31.319
<v Speaker 18>or is uh uh scurmetti uh us versus scurmetti uh,

1616
01:30:31.560 --> 01:30:34.319
<v Speaker 18>which has commonly been referred to in the press as

1617
01:30:34.359 --> 01:30:37.720
<v Speaker 18>as the Tennessee gender affirming care ban.

1618
01:30:38.560 --> 01:30:38.720
<v Speaker 4>UH.

1619
01:30:39.520 --> 01:30:44.439
<v Speaker 18>Tennessee passed UH law banning certain types of UH gender

1620
01:30:44.600 --> 01:30:50.439
<v Speaker 18>affirming care, and that was challenged by uh uh the

1621
01:30:50.560 --> 01:30:56.640
<v Speaker 18>parents of miners UH who presumably wanted to participate in

1622
01:30:56.760 --> 01:31:01.319
<v Speaker 18>that sort of sort of care. I think what you're

1623
01:31:01.399 --> 01:31:06.119
<v Speaker 18>interested in, councilor Kirkpatrick, is the the discussion of the

1624
01:31:06.199 --> 01:31:11.680
<v Speaker 18>standard uh stan the healthcare standard. The the case itself

1625
01:31:12.199 --> 01:31:16.479
<v Speaker 18>doesn't have a lot of applicability to what we're talking

1626
01:31:16.520 --> 01:31:20.239
<v Speaker 18>about here, because there are very different legal issues uh

1627
01:31:20.399 --> 01:31:22.920
<v Speaker 18>that The issues presented in that case, and I'm gonna

1628
01:31:23.520 --> 01:31:28.560
<v Speaker 18>uh read directly from uh State of Tennessee's brief are

1629
01:31:28.800 --> 01:31:32.279
<v Speaker 18>uh whether the equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment

1630
01:31:32.359 --> 01:31:36.880
<v Speaker 18>prohibits states from enacting laws protecting children from sex transition

1631
01:31:37.079 --> 01:31:43.359
<v Speaker 18>medical interventions with risks of lifelong harm. And second, whether

1632
01:31:43.479 --> 01:31:47.399
<v Speaker 18>the substantive component of the due process clause gives apparent

1633
01:31:47.479 --> 01:31:51.399
<v Speaker 18>their right to demand cross sex medical interventions for children

1634
01:31:51.760 --> 01:31:55.239
<v Speaker 18>that a state has found to be unproven and excessively risky.

1635
01:31:56.479 --> 01:31:59.840
<v Speaker 18>So those two questions and uh those of you don't

1636
01:32:00.039 --> 01:32:01.000
<v Speaker 18>follow the Supreme Court.

1637
01:32:01.520 --> 01:32:01.600
<v Speaker 13>Uh.

1638
01:32:01.800 --> 01:32:05.359
<v Speaker 5>The Supreme Court decides questions, not cases.

1639
01:32:06.199 --> 01:32:06.279
<v Speaker 3>UH.

1640
01:32:06.439 --> 01:32:09.239
<v Speaker 5>So it is the question that is the most.

1641
01:32:09.039 --> 01:32:14.079
<v Speaker 18>Important part of any Supreme Court game. Those questions present

1642
01:32:14.199 --> 01:32:17.199
<v Speaker 18>a Fourth Amendment equal protection argument.

1643
01:32:18.239 --> 01:32:18.359
<v Speaker 2>UH.

1644
01:32:18.600 --> 01:32:22.640
<v Speaker 18>The uh the challengers of the Tennessee law argued that

1645
01:32:22.720 --> 01:32:25.439
<v Speaker 18>they were being denied care based on their sex.

1646
01:32:26.159 --> 01:32:26.239
<v Speaker 14>Uh.

1647
01:32:26.279 --> 01:32:29.880
<v Speaker 18>The state of Tennessee has has has countered and said no,

1648
01:32:30.159 --> 01:32:33.199
<v Speaker 18>we are banning this type of care for everyone, regardless

1649
01:32:33.199 --> 01:32:33.760
<v Speaker 18>of their sex.

1650
01:32:34.640 --> 01:32:34.760
<v Speaker 14>Uh.

1651
01:32:36.399 --> 01:32:38.880
<v Speaker 18>And that i ah appeared from the questioning that took

1652
01:32:38.960 --> 01:32:40.319
<v Speaker 18>place at the Supreme Court.

1653
01:32:40.199 --> 01:32:41.960
<v Speaker 5>To be where the court is going to land.

1654
01:32:42.000 --> 01:32:46.039
<v Speaker 18>The majority of justices UH agreed that that uh, it's

1655
01:32:46.119 --> 01:32:49.039
<v Speaker 18>not a question of what sex you are, It's a

1656
01:32:49.119 --> 01:32:52.359
<v Speaker 18>question of whether or not you are seeking care that

1657
01:32:52.520 --> 01:32:56.840
<v Speaker 18>is banned, and the government participates in the big banning

1658
01:32:56.920 --> 01:32:59.119
<v Speaker 18>of care all the time. Are all sorts of drugs

1659
01:32:59.720 --> 01:33:03.560
<v Speaker 18>uh uh that that uh are banned as unreasonably dangerous

1660
01:33:03.560 --> 01:33:08.840
<v Speaker 18>as all sorts of UH licensing requirements for for medical care.

1661
01:33:09.159 --> 01:33:12.960
<v Speaker 18>So it is not unheard of at all for the

1662
01:33:13.079 --> 01:33:15.600
<v Speaker 18>government to get in that space. And it's not a

1663
01:33:15.720 --> 01:33:19.279
<v Speaker 18>question of equal protection as to whether that is is

1664
01:33:19.560 --> 01:33:23.439
<v Speaker 18>uh uh violated in this case because the Tennessee law

1665
01:33:23.560 --> 01:33:26.760
<v Speaker 18>is sex neutral. This type of care is banned for everybody,

1666
01:33:26.880 --> 01:33:31.720
<v Speaker 18>doesn't matter what sex you are. The other question is

1667
01:33:32.119 --> 01:33:37.199
<v Speaker 18>a Fifth and Fourteenth Amendment substantive due process issue.

1668
01:33:37.920 --> 01:33:38.039
<v Speaker 2>UH.

1669
01:33:38.399 --> 01:33:41.319
<v Speaker 18>The those who challenge the law said that, well, we

1670
01:33:41.399 --> 01:33:44.159
<v Speaker 18>should have the right to make these decisions for our children.

1671
01:33:44.840 --> 01:33:44.960
<v Speaker 22>UH.

1672
01:33:45.479 --> 01:33:49.319
<v Speaker 18>Substantive due process are are unenumerated rights rights that aren't

1673
01:33:49.319 --> 01:33:52.960
<v Speaker 18>specifically UH in the Constitution, and the Supreme Court has

1674
01:33:53.000 --> 01:33:56.479
<v Speaker 18>found that one of those is parental rights, which, interestingly enough,

1675
01:33:57.000 --> 01:34:00.000
<v Speaker 18>UH is is one of the issues in in this discussion.

1676
01:34:01.720 --> 01:34:04.399
<v Speaker 18>But in in this case, the question is is there

1677
01:34:04.479 --> 01:34:07.960
<v Speaker 18>a substance a due process right to receive this type

1678
01:34:08.000 --> 01:34:08.359
<v Speaker 18>of care?

1679
01:34:09.079 --> 01:34:09.199
<v Speaker 11>Uh?

1680
01:34:09.319 --> 01:34:13.119
<v Speaker 18>The Sixth Circuit said no, UH, you don't have a

1681
01:34:13.319 --> 01:34:16.159
<v Speaker 18>a right to receive this particular type of care. Again,

1682
01:34:16.319 --> 01:34:21.520
<v Speaker 18>governments are often in the business of prohibiting certain types

1683
01:34:21.520 --> 01:34:25.279
<v Speaker 18>of drugs, certain type of of medical practice without licensure

1684
01:34:25.520 --> 01:34:28.800
<v Speaker 18>all sorts of things like that. So I I it

1685
01:34:28.920 --> 01:34:31.880
<v Speaker 18>appears I I'd hate to go on record and and

1686
01:34:32.119 --> 01:34:34.640
<v Speaker 18>UH prove be proven wrong, but it appears that that

1687
01:34:34.960 --> 01:34:38.399
<v Speaker 18>case has a very very high chance or that law

1688
01:34:38.560 --> 01:34:42.039
<v Speaker 18>rather has a very very high chance of UH being

1689
01:34:42.079 --> 01:34:48.239
<v Speaker 18>affirmed by the Supreme Court. Conversely, in the controversy that

1690
01:34:48.319 --> 01:34:51.399
<v Speaker 18>we are all embroiled in here today, we have a

1691
01:34:51.600 --> 01:34:55.079
<v Speaker 18>First Amendment freedom of speech issue, UH, which is not

1692
01:34:55.199 --> 01:34:59.880
<v Speaker 18>implicated by this this case. And we have a vagueness issue,

1693
01:35:00.119 --> 01:35:04.760
<v Speaker 18>which is that you UH many of these laws in

1694
01:35:04.960 --> 01:35:09.079
<v Speaker 18>different states have been struck down as unconstitutionally vague in

1695
01:35:09.239 --> 01:35:12.000
<v Speaker 18>violation of the due process cause of of the Fifth men.

1696
01:35:12.720 --> 01:35:12.840
<v Speaker 16>UH.

1697
01:35:12.880 --> 01:35:15.159
<v Speaker 18>That is is that it's they are so vague that

1698
01:35:15.239 --> 01:35:19.000
<v Speaker 18>you can't tell UH at what point you your address

1699
01:35:19.159 --> 01:35:21.880
<v Speaker 18>is so effeminate that you are now in drag and

1700
01:35:21.960 --> 01:35:22.680
<v Speaker 18>violating the law.

1701
01:35:23.520 --> 01:35:23.640
<v Speaker 1>UH.

1702
01:35:24.159 --> 01:35:27.199
<v Speaker 18>And those are the issues that that have made UH.

1703
01:35:27.239 --> 01:35:30.319
<v Speaker 18>The First Amendment issue and the Fifth Amendment vagueness issue

1704
01:35:30.479 --> 01:35:35.600
<v Speaker 18>are are what have caused problems for states and municipalities.

1705
01:35:34.880 --> 01:35:37.560
<v Speaker 5>That have attempted to ban drag. So I think we

1706
01:35:37.680 --> 01:35:39.199
<v Speaker 5>have two.

1707
01:35:40.359 --> 01:35:46.840
<v Speaker 18>Different cases, two different issues. There are the there there

1708
01:35:46.880 --> 01:35:50.439
<v Speaker 18>is the potential for there to be some some discussion

1709
01:35:51.239 --> 01:35:54.199
<v Speaker 18>by the Spring Court, and and that case has been argued,

1710
01:35:54.239 --> 01:35:56.560
<v Speaker 18>and I they're the Spring Court, they can do what

1711
01:35:56.600 --> 01:35:56.920
<v Speaker 18>they want.

1712
01:35:57.239 --> 01:35:57.359
<v Speaker 5>UH.

1713
01:35:57.399 --> 01:35:58.640
<v Speaker 18>They're gonna rule when.

1714
01:35:58.560 --> 01:35:59.319
<v Speaker 5>They decide to rule.

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01:36:00.119 --> 01:36:00.239
<v Speaker 14>UH.

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01:36:00.399 --> 01:36:02.880
<v Speaker 18>But there's some potential that that that case, when it

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01:36:02.920 --> 01:36:07.960
<v Speaker 18>comes down, could have some directive on on what type

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01:36:08.079 --> 01:36:15.720
<v Speaker 18>of of care represents UH an unreasonable risk to miners UH.

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01:36:15.880 --> 01:36:19.279
<v Speaker 18>And I think that where the court will come down

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01:36:19.319 --> 01:36:21.760
<v Speaker 18>there is UH. And there's some some good discussion in

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01:36:21.840 --> 01:36:24.880
<v Speaker 18>the case. I'm sure you've read it, but there's some

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01:36:24.920 --> 01:36:31.439
<v Speaker 18>good discussion in the briefing that a lot of this

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01:36:31.640 --> 01:36:34.960
<v Speaker 18>is just unknown, that there's not enough research to say

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01:36:35.600 --> 01:36:40.520
<v Speaker 18>whether or not these these things are are medically necessary

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01:36:40.800 --> 01:36:43.479
<v Speaker 18>or whether they have have unacceptable.

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01:36:43.279 --> 01:36:44.880
<v Speaker 5>UH risks UH.

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01:36:45.119 --> 01:36:47.920
<v Speaker 18>And so so what the State of Tennessee argued is

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01:36:48.039 --> 01:36:52.279
<v Speaker 18>is that if when you don't have certainty in those areas, UH,

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01:36:53.000 --> 01:36:56.239
<v Speaker 18>the court has a duty to restrain itself to not

1730
01:36:56.560 --> 01:36:59.439
<v Speaker 18>enter a space that that isn't isn't certain, to leave

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01:36:59.520 --> 01:37:03.199
<v Speaker 18>that to the political process. And so for that reason,

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01:37:03.399 --> 01:37:07.079
<v Speaker 18>I think it's it's highly likely that this case, that

1733
01:37:07.399 --> 01:37:08.439
<v Speaker 18>law in Tennessee ends.

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01:37:08.359 --> 01:37:09.119
<v Speaker 5>Up getting affirmed.

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01:37:09.800 --> 01:37:13.479
<v Speaker 18>If it does, there may be some interesting discussion in

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01:37:13.600 --> 01:37:20.680
<v Speaker 18>it about exactly what level of risk is acceptable for children.

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01:37:22.680 --> 01:37:26.199
<v Speaker 5>Thank you. I don't know what an A plus looks like,

1738
01:37:26.279 --> 01:37:27.840
<v Speaker 5>so we'll give you a B plus. We'll do better

1739
01:37:27.880 --> 01:37:31.119
<v Speaker 5>next time. I appreciate that was that was on very

1740
01:37:31.119 --> 01:37:37.359
<v Speaker 5>short notice. The parts of those arguments. I haven't read

1741
01:37:37.439 --> 01:37:39.439
<v Speaker 5>the case. I just listened to the some of the arguments.

1742
01:37:39.479 --> 01:37:41.760
<v Speaker 6>But as it hones in on children's health, it will

1743
01:37:41.760 --> 01:37:44.239
<v Speaker 6>be interesting to see if the Supreme Court discusses that.

1744
01:37:44.319 --> 01:37:48.039
<v Speaker 6>And that's germane to this topic because it is the

1745
01:37:48.119 --> 01:37:54.720
<v Speaker 6>health stuff that we're honing in on. Personally, I mean,

1746
01:37:54.720 --> 01:37:57.000
<v Speaker 6>I wanted to put I've I've kicked these ideas around.

1747
01:37:57.039 --> 01:37:59.039
<v Speaker 5>We talked about them with the first workshop that we did.

1748
01:37:59.039 --> 01:38:00.720
<v Speaker 6>I thought it was worth putting out there so that

1749
01:38:00.840 --> 01:38:03.439
<v Speaker 6>y'all could see them because we actually get to meet talk.

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01:38:03.560 --> 01:38:05.199
<v Speaker 5>And so that the community could see them.

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01:38:06.079 --> 01:38:09.000
<v Speaker 6>I want to hear y'all's feedback as well. My suggestion

1752
01:38:09.079 --> 01:38:10.319
<v Speaker 6>would be that we kind of wait and see what

1753
01:38:10.399 --> 01:38:12.079
<v Speaker 6>the Supreme Court comes back and says with some of

1754
01:38:12.079 --> 01:38:14.640
<v Speaker 6>this kind of stuff, Cause they come back and say, hey, all,

1755
01:38:14.760 --> 01:38:17.239
<v Speaker 6>this is there's no health risk associated with any of

1756
01:38:17.279 --> 01:38:17.600
<v Speaker 6>this stuff.

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01:38:17.600 --> 01:38:18.800
<v Speaker 5>There's nothing we should worry about.

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01:38:18.880 --> 01:38:19.000
<v Speaker 14>Then.

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01:38:20.479 --> 01:38:23.000
<v Speaker 6>I mean, it still would be wise of us to

1760
01:38:23.079 --> 01:38:25.800
<v Speaker 6>consider children's health, but the Supreme Court would have told us,

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01:38:25.800 --> 01:38:29.439
<v Speaker 6>at least in one area, what that looks like. At

1762
01:38:29.439 --> 01:38:31.079
<v Speaker 6>the same time, I would really like to hear from

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01:38:31.119 --> 01:38:34.640
<v Speaker 6>our community. It's one thing to say, hey, I don't.

1764
01:38:34.520 --> 01:38:35.199
<v Speaker 5>Like this proposal.

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01:38:35.960 --> 01:38:37.760
<v Speaker 6>It's another thing to say I don't like it, and

1766
01:38:37.840 --> 01:38:42.560
<v Speaker 6>here's why. I would love to hear the why. Because

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01:38:43.720 --> 01:38:46.319
<v Speaker 6>I wrote I came up with these drafts after talking

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01:38:46.399 --> 01:38:50.319
<v Speaker 6>to thousands of our neighbors in Bartlesville, from across the

1769
01:38:50.399 --> 01:38:54.119
<v Speaker 6>political spectrum, from across the ideological spectrum, from across the

1770
01:38:54.199 --> 01:38:58.199
<v Speaker 6>conviction spectrum, trying to find a way that was sensitive

1771
01:38:58.239 --> 01:39:04.319
<v Speaker 6>to this very emotionally intense, an important topic. I'm trying

1772
01:39:04.319 --> 01:39:06.880
<v Speaker 6>to threat a needle here, and this may fail that attempt,

1773
01:39:09.000 --> 01:39:10.640
<v Speaker 6>but if so, I would like to know why it

1774
01:39:10.720 --> 01:39:13.199
<v Speaker 6>doesn't meet the standards that all of our community has.

1775
01:39:14.479 --> 01:39:16.560
<v Speaker 5>So just saying well, you know, I don't like it.

1776
01:39:16.680 --> 01:39:18.520
<v Speaker 6>Okay, fair enough, if you're entitled your opinion. But if

1777
01:39:18.520 --> 01:39:20.079
<v Speaker 6>you say I don't like it, here's why, then that

1778
01:39:20.199 --> 01:39:24.640
<v Speaker 6>will help us be a city council in this community

1779
01:39:24.720 --> 01:39:25.239
<v Speaker 6>in a better way.

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01:39:26.319 --> 01:39:29.560
<v Speaker 20>Well, I agree. I think may occurred had on something.

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01:39:30.319 --> 01:39:33.279
<v Speaker 41>You know, there was an agreement that was reached, and

1782
01:39:33.399 --> 01:39:35.239
<v Speaker 41>that was because all parties came to the table and

1783
01:39:35.359 --> 01:39:38.680
<v Speaker 41>had civil discourse and trying to figure out, Hey, what's

1784
01:39:38.760 --> 01:39:41.199
<v Speaker 41>good for everybody? What, what do we want to do,

1785
01:39:41.359 --> 01:39:42.600
<v Speaker 41>what do we want to you know, how do we

1786
01:39:42.640 --> 01:39:43.960
<v Speaker 41>want to precede this community?

1787
01:39:44.000 --> 01:39:44.720
<v Speaker 20>Which I think we did.

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01:39:44.800 --> 01:39:47.399
<v Speaker 41>And then there was another as you stated, there was

1789
01:39:47.399 --> 01:39:50.840
<v Speaker 41>another heightened emotion here and there, and it got back

1790
01:39:50.920 --> 01:39:52.720
<v Speaker 41>to the same as it was initially.

1791
01:39:52.840 --> 01:39:57.399
<v Speaker 20>So I think hopefully, you know, I like, did you

1792
01:39:57.439 --> 01:39:58.119
<v Speaker 20>put this together?

1793
01:39:58.239 --> 01:40:01.720
<v Speaker 41>You've got a lot of thought and energy, and uh,

1794
01:40:01.920 --> 01:40:04.720
<v Speaker 41>hopefully we can get just that as as further feedback

1795
01:40:04.760 --> 01:40:05.479
<v Speaker 41>from the community.

1796
01:40:06.199 --> 01:40:07.840
<v Speaker 20>Why the the the why not.

1797
01:40:10.079 --> 01:40:12.800
<v Speaker 1>Just from the vagueness issue. When does that come into

1798
01:40:12.880 --> 01:40:16.319
<v Speaker 1>play for a court ruling? Is that after the law

1799
01:40:16.520 --> 01:40:19.399
<v Speaker 1>is adopted and contested or just after it's.

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01:40:19.239 --> 01:40:24.600
<v Speaker 18>Adopted, so that uh, the the answer is is is

1801
01:40:24.680 --> 01:40:27.079
<v Speaker 18>when it is challenged in court.

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01:40:27.840 --> 01:40:27.960
<v Speaker 14>Uh.

1803
01:40:28.239 --> 01:40:32.600
<v Speaker 18>And the Fifth Amendment vagueness argument has been made and

1804
01:40:32.840 --> 01:40:36.720
<v Speaker 18>virtually all of the cases that I've been following it,

1805
01:40:36.880 --> 01:40:39.199
<v Speaker 18>it's kind of three or four bullet points down the

1806
01:40:39.279 --> 01:40:41.880
<v Speaker 18>list usually of of the things that the court hit on.

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01:40:42.640 --> 01:40:45.359
<v Speaker 5>Uh, but it is a major issue.

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01:40:45.760 --> 01:40:45.880
<v Speaker 30>Uh.

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01:40:46.399 --> 01:40:51.359
<v Speaker 18>We've had discussions in this community ourselves trying to understand

1810
01:40:52.119 --> 01:40:56.159
<v Speaker 18>was what happened this or was it that? And people

1811
01:40:56.199 --> 01:40:57.680
<v Speaker 18>can't even can't even agree on that.

1812
01:40:58.079 --> 01:40:58.199
<v Speaker 14>Uh.

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01:40:58.479 --> 01:41:00.800
<v Speaker 18>Uh just just hear to not people say that this

1814
01:41:01.039 --> 01:41:03.079
<v Speaker 18>is a wonderful family of friendly event.

1815
01:41:03.640 --> 01:41:05.880
<v Speaker 5>Uh and other people say it's an absolute abomination.

1816
01:41:06.479 --> 01:41:06.560
<v Speaker 29>Uh.

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01:41:06.600 --> 01:41:09.119
<v Speaker 5>We can't even agree on that. How do you define that?

1818
01:41:10.039 --> 01:41:10.159
<v Speaker 14>Uh?

1819
01:41:10.359 --> 01:41:13.119
<v Speaker 18>And that goes famously to the to the Supreme Court

1820
01:41:13.239 --> 01:41:18.880
<v Speaker 18>that was an unable to uh define pornography. The Supreme

1821
01:41:19.039 --> 01:41:21.760
<v Speaker 18>Court Justice White, I believe, said, Uh, I don't know,

1822
01:41:21.840 --> 01:41:23.960
<v Speaker 18>I can't define it, but I can I know I

1823
01:41:24.000 --> 01:41:26.840
<v Speaker 18>see it. It's when we have a a similar situation

1824
01:41:26.960 --> 01:41:29.800
<v Speaker 18>here where people you can't define drag, but you don't

1825
01:41:29.920 --> 01:41:32.239
<v Speaker 18>but you know it when you see it. Well, that

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01:41:32.439 --> 01:41:35.159
<v Speaker 18>leads to the vagueness issue. At what point does a

1827
01:41:35.279 --> 01:41:38.760
<v Speaker 18>person know w at what point are they unnoticed that

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01:41:39.000 --> 01:41:41.640
<v Speaker 18>this conduct will get me in trouble.

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<v Speaker 16>With the law?

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<v Speaker 1>So just I so if this just say this was

1831
01:41:46.319 --> 01:41:53.239
<v Speaker 1>adopted and who rode in as an ordinance? And would

1832
01:41:53.239 --> 01:41:57.319
<v Speaker 1>we have to enforce it to get somebody to filed

1833
01:41:57.359 --> 01:41:59.760
<v Speaker 1>against it? Or would they be ruled against, just like

1834
01:42:00.039 --> 01:42:02.760
<v Speaker 1>the Friends of George that they didn't have standing to

1835
01:42:03.439 --> 01:42:03.920
<v Speaker 1>contest it.

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01:42:04.119 --> 01:42:06.880
<v Speaker 18>If if you passed this at at your next regular meeting,

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01:42:06.960 --> 01:42:13.039
<v Speaker 18>I don't think that anybody could establish standing to suit because,

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01:42:13.720 --> 01:42:16.600
<v Speaker 18>uh it it quite clearly doesn't apply until.

1839
01:42:16.520 --> 01:42:18.079
<v Speaker 5>This committee says it applies.

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01:42:18.880 --> 01:42:19.000
<v Speaker 2>Uh.

1841
01:42:19.640 --> 01:42:24.600
<v Speaker 18>Once a committee says it applies and cancels a show.

1842
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<v Speaker 1>You're gonna get supro Okay, Well, I agree with Trevor.

1843
01:42:30.680 --> 01:42:31.319
<v Speaker 5>I've du m.

1844
01:42:34.880 --> 01:42:37.720
<v Speaker 1>R M's done a a a wonderful job, as he said,

1845
01:42:37.760 --> 01:42:40.720
<v Speaker 1>trying to thread the needles. I've had conversations when in

1846
01:42:41.000 --> 01:42:46.880
<v Speaker 1>the past, and I've relied on tens and twenties of

1847
01:42:47.199 --> 01:42:53.239
<v Speaker 1>state attorney general's best, state legislators, senators, all attorneys, medical

1848
01:42:53.319 --> 01:42:57.319
<v Speaker 1>doctors within those fields that have typically tried to thread

1849
01:42:57.439 --> 01:42:59.479
<v Speaker 1>many needles. And I'm not saying this is one they

1850
01:42:59.560 --> 01:43:01.520
<v Speaker 1>tried to throw. I'm not saying it was any part

1851
01:43:01.560 --> 01:43:05.119
<v Speaker 1>of any discussion. I'm just I know that we've had

1852
01:43:05.199 --> 01:43:08.600
<v Speaker 1>people look at all avenues to try to restrict it

1853
01:43:08.720 --> 01:43:11.239
<v Speaker 1>in a public's work, and it is, you know, to

1854
01:43:11.359 --> 01:43:15.239
<v Speaker 1>mister Kane's uh evidence, it's largely failed at all levels.

1855
01:43:15.319 --> 01:43:20.399
<v Speaker 1>So I appreciate your efforts and and applaud the fact

1856
01:43:20.399 --> 01:43:23.319
<v Speaker 1>that we've got something to discuss further down the road.

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01:43:24.159 --> 01:43:27.000
<v Speaker 1>I think, as mister Kaine has uh said tonight, he

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01:43:27.199 --> 01:43:31.720
<v Speaker 1>is not a first Amendment ware. I told him today

1859
01:43:31.720 --> 01:43:33.479
<v Speaker 1>earlier when I was talking about this, I'm tired of

1860
01:43:33.520 --> 01:43:37.840
<v Speaker 1>this opinion, cause I've heard it a hundred times, but

1861
01:43:38.079 --> 01:43:40.680
<v Speaker 1>I respectfully am tired of it. He's made his point,

1862
01:43:40.920 --> 01:43:44.600
<v Speaker 1>uh on very many occasions. So again, if this was

1863
01:43:44.680 --> 01:43:47.920
<v Speaker 1>something and I'm just reminding the council, if this is

1864
01:43:47.960 --> 01:43:51.079
<v Speaker 1>something that we wanted to continue further some other day

1865
01:43:51.800 --> 01:43:55.720
<v Speaker 1>and we've passed a the ability to fund a view

1866
01:43:55.800 --> 01:43:57.800
<v Speaker 1>of this in some other way, that that what I would.

1867
01:43:58.279 --> 01:44:01.119
<v Speaker 1>I would certainly be open into the idea of looking

1868
01:44:01.199 --> 01:44:04.520
<v Speaker 1>at another firm, another attorney being able to look at

1869
01:44:04.600 --> 01:44:07.079
<v Speaker 1>us and get it rending, rendering some opinion of that

1870
01:44:07.119 --> 01:44:09.000
<v Speaker 1>it's got holes in it that ever stand up and

1871
01:44:09.079 --> 01:44:11.520
<v Speaker 1>it's worth to try, or whatever, because I think you

1872
01:44:11.600 --> 01:44:13.399
<v Speaker 1>put a lot of effort into it and deserves at

1873
01:44:13.479 --> 01:44:13.840
<v Speaker 1>least out.

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<v Speaker 5>If the other.

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01:44:14.520 --> 01:44:16.239
<v Speaker 1>Councilors felt that that was something they wanted to do,

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01:44:16.239 --> 01:44:19.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm always speaking for myself there, but uh, I think

1877
01:44:19.840 --> 01:44:20.920
<v Speaker 1>it's a wonderful.

1878
01:44:20.640 --> 01:44:23.199
<v Speaker 18>A great struct for the conversation and mission mayor, if

1879
01:44:23.239 --> 01:44:27.600
<v Speaker 18>I may, that is my recommendation, UH, if UH you

1880
01:44:27.680 --> 01:44:30.279
<v Speaker 18>don't hurt my feelings. If if the Council were to

1881
01:44:30.680 --> 01:44:32.520
<v Speaker 18>a the city where to find it self involved in

1882
01:44:32.600 --> 01:44:35.800
<v Speaker 18>a an Arisa action, I would expect that you would

1883
01:44:35.880 --> 01:44:38.680
<v Speaker 18>hire an Arista attorney. If you find yourself in broiled

1884
01:44:38.880 --> 01:44:41.479
<v Speaker 18>bankruptcy action, I would expect that you would hire a

1885
01:44:41.560 --> 01:44:42.479
<v Speaker 18>bankruptcy attorney.

1886
01:44:43.000 --> 01:44:43.119
<v Speaker 29>UH.

1887
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<v Speaker 18>The First Amendment is no different other than everybody has

1888
01:44:46.640 --> 01:44:47.399
<v Speaker 18>an opinion about it.

1889
01:44:48.079 --> 01:44:48.199
<v Speaker 31>UH.

1890
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<v Speaker 18>And so my recommendation would be, if you decide to

1891
01:44:52.560 --> 01:44:55.199
<v Speaker 18>move forward with this proposal or or any other, that

1892
01:44:55.319 --> 01:44:59.159
<v Speaker 18>you seek outside council with expertise in the First Amendment

1893
01:44:59.279 --> 01:45:04.399
<v Speaker 18>to help you draft that ordinance in a way that

1894
01:45:04.640 --> 01:45:08.800
<v Speaker 18>is most likely to to pass constitutional muster, but also

1895
01:45:09.119 --> 01:45:12.840
<v Speaker 18>that you hire affirm that agrees to defend you when

1896
01:45:12.880 --> 01:45:13.479
<v Speaker 18>you're suit.

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<v Speaker 1>Well.

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<v Speaker 41>I I personally want to thank you, cause I know

1899
01:45:16.960 --> 01:45:19.079
<v Speaker 41>you've taken a lot of time to to especially in

1900
01:45:19.119 --> 01:45:19.680
<v Speaker 41>the orientation.

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01:45:19.760 --> 01:45:21.920
<v Speaker 20>I mean you you laid out every bit of case

1902
01:45:21.960 --> 01:45:24.600
<v Speaker 20>though and and what that looks like.

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01:45:24.840 --> 01:45:28.279
<v Speaker 41>I know you've spent countless hours talking to UH attorney

1904
01:45:28.319 --> 01:45:30.760
<v Speaker 41>groups that have worked with all the states that are

1905
01:45:30.920 --> 01:45:34.840
<v Speaker 41>currently have litigation or cities, And you know, I think

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01:45:34.920 --> 01:45:37.319
<v Speaker 41>the frustration for me, and I know for you has

1907
01:45:37.359 --> 01:45:39.840
<v Speaker 41>been that there's a lot of people that would step

1908
01:45:39.960 --> 01:45:42.039
<v Speaker 41>up and write things, but stand beside you.

1909
01:45:42.399 --> 01:45:46.239
<v Speaker 20>To try to argue that and defend it is different.

1910
01:45:46.279 --> 01:45:49.600
<v Speaker 18>I it was very frustrating in the talk with a

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01:45:50.239 --> 01:45:55.840
<v Speaker 18>dozen or so outfits on this. Occasionally they'd say, well,

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01:45:55.920 --> 01:45:57.760
<v Speaker 18>you can try this, you can try that, and i'

1913
01:45:58.039 --> 01:46:01.840
<v Speaker 18>and I'd say, will you defend city when that is

1914
01:46:01.920 --> 01:46:02.680
<v Speaker 18>challenged in court?

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01:46:03.279 --> 01:46:03.520
<v Speaker 1>Oh?

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<v Speaker 5>Maybe not?

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<v Speaker 18>And that's that's that's the problems.

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<v Speaker 20>They don't they're talent there.

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<v Speaker 5>It's easy.

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<v Speaker 18>It's easy to spit ball and throw stuff up against

1921
01:46:14.800 --> 01:46:18.079
<v Speaker 18>the wall, but it actually comes on putting your reputation

1922
01:46:18.199 --> 01:46:20.680
<v Speaker 18>on the line and saying, yes, this does not violate

1923
01:46:20.720 --> 01:46:24.239
<v Speaker 18>the United States Constitution. I had trouble finding anybody.

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01:46:25.560 --> 01:46:25.720
<v Speaker 3>Well.

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<v Speaker 6>I I appreciate everybody's feedback and I'm ready to move on.

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<v Speaker 6>But if I can say one more thing, someone towards

1927
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<v Speaker 6>the end said we're better than this, and I would

1928
01:46:35.680 --> 01:46:40.560
<v Speaker 6>like to suggest that that this process is good. Conflict

1929
01:46:41.039 --> 01:46:45.039
<v Speaker 6>in healthy communities is necessary. If you're in a relationship,

1930
01:46:45.079 --> 01:46:49.239
<v Speaker 6>and you never have any conflict you're not communicating. Anytime

1931
01:46:49.359 --> 01:46:52.880
<v Speaker 6>you begin to organize people beyond one, you're gonna have tension,

1932
01:46:52.960 --> 01:46:57.520
<v Speaker 6>You're gonna have differing ideals or opinions. So I appreciate

1933
01:46:57.560 --> 01:46:59.199
<v Speaker 6>that we have the opportunity to bring these together, to

1934
01:46:59.279 --> 01:47:02.359
<v Speaker 6>put these ideas out there for everybody's feedback and to hear.

1935
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<v Speaker 5>Because if we were.

1936
01:47:04.000 --> 01:47:08.079
<v Speaker 6>To come in and say we're doing this in the process,

1937
01:47:08.199 --> 01:47:10.439
<v Speaker 6>we would hurt a swath of people who were no

1938
01:47:10.520 --> 01:47:12.439
<v Speaker 6>longer represented by the people that they voted for.

1939
01:47:13.039 --> 01:47:13.840
<v Speaker 5>And if we came in and.

1940
01:47:13.800 --> 01:47:17.279
<v Speaker 6>Said we're not doing anything, we would then alienate a

1941
01:47:17.319 --> 01:47:19.680
<v Speaker 6>whole other swath of people who who were involved in

1942
01:47:19.720 --> 01:47:21.640
<v Speaker 6>this process, and so you would just further divide the

1943
01:47:21.680 --> 01:47:24.840
<v Speaker 6>community as winners and losers. I would rather bring us

1944
01:47:25.039 --> 01:47:29.239
<v Speaker 6>towards something by saying, what is a fair process that

1945
01:47:29.359 --> 01:47:34.079
<v Speaker 6>we can trust? Understanding that we are again threading a

1946
01:47:34.239 --> 01:47:36.960
<v Speaker 6>very contentious needle, and so I've tried to create as

1947
01:47:37.000 --> 01:47:40.359
<v Speaker 6>a is a what I would like feedback on is

1948
01:47:40.479 --> 01:47:42.479
<v Speaker 6>this process and this idea because it may be.

1949
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<v Speaker 5>Full of holes.

1950
01:47:43.159 --> 01:47:45.840
<v Speaker 6>I am absolutely a flawed person who can only see,

1951
01:47:46.079 --> 01:47:47.359
<v Speaker 6>you know, as far out of the road as I

1952
01:47:47.399 --> 01:47:49.239
<v Speaker 6>can try to figure it, you know, figure it out.

1953
01:47:50.079 --> 01:47:52.439
<v Speaker 5>So please over the coming days and weeks.

1954
01:47:52.279 --> 01:47:56.520
<v Speaker 6>I'm asking you know, for all of Barblesville, I want

1955
01:47:56.600 --> 01:47:58.880
<v Speaker 6>to hear your thoughts on this because it's because your

1956
01:47:58.920 --> 01:48:02.279
<v Speaker 6>opinions are worthwhile. You helped me come to this, so

1957
01:48:03.199 --> 01:48:04.399
<v Speaker 6>help us continue to move forward.

1958
01:48:05.920 --> 01:48:08.600
<v Speaker 2>I'd say I also have noticed is the uh this

1959
01:48:09.600 --> 01:48:14.159
<v Speaker 2>mister Haffington mentioned that there is a state Senate bill

1960
01:48:14.560 --> 01:48:17.720
<v Speaker 2>five fifty that's about to be presented I think here

1961
01:48:17.760 --> 01:48:21.239
<v Speaker 2>in another couple of weeks, and uh that you know,

1962
01:48:21.479 --> 01:48:25.720
<v Speaker 2>if the state if that actually gets heard on the

1963
01:48:25.760 --> 01:48:28.119
<v Speaker 2>house floor as well, if that were to passed.

1964
01:48:27.840 --> 01:48:31.000
<v Speaker 1>Then the state would be uh facing that and and

1965
01:48:31.119 --> 01:48:32.359
<v Speaker 1>how to enforce that as well.

1966
01:48:32.520 --> 01:48:36.720
<v Speaker 41>So and there's a lot of olimgation in many states.

1967
01:48:36.960 --> 01:48:39.680
<v Speaker 41>I mean, I know you you present all this research

1968
01:48:39.760 --> 01:48:43.439
<v Speaker 41>for but I think there's maybe thirty Yeah, there's there's

1969
01:48:43.520 --> 01:48:47.319
<v Speaker 41>quite a few that are at some form uh uh

1970
01:48:48.920 --> 01:48:53.079
<v Speaker 41>code conduct whatever that they're that they're presenting and and

1971
01:48:53.359 --> 01:48:55.800
<v Speaker 41>and it's in some legal form.

1972
01:48:57.600 --> 01:49:02.359
<v Speaker 20>So I you know, I think it's already out there

1973
01:49:03.239 --> 01:49:03.880
<v Speaker 20>for us to see.

1974
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<v Speaker 14>Uh.

1975
01:49:05.279 --> 01:49:08.319
<v Speaker 20>But I do think that we uh initially whenever the

1976
01:49:08.399 --> 01:49:11.479
<v Speaker 20>first burger happened. We tried to set again around the

1977
01:49:11.520 --> 01:49:13.319
<v Speaker 20>table and I think did a good job of that.

1978
01:49:13.479 --> 01:49:14.880
<v Speaker 20>I mean, and hopefully we can't again.

1979
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<v Speaker 13>Hm.

1980
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<v Speaker 1>I think it's the right decision at the time, and

1981
01:49:19.359 --> 01:49:23.119
<v Speaker 1>it it divided our council somewhat, but we all continued

1982
01:49:23.159 --> 01:49:25.560
<v Speaker 1>working together. We all had a difference of opinion, and

1983
01:49:25.760 --> 01:49:29.520
<v Speaker 1>uh I again, this is a continuation of that very

1984
01:49:29.600 --> 01:49:32.880
<v Speaker 1>meeting we did, bringing it to a table, to a

1985
01:49:32.920 --> 01:49:35.319
<v Speaker 1>discussion for everybody to listen and talk to us. I

1986
01:49:35.359 --> 01:49:38.039
<v Speaker 1>think it's been healthy for everybody and puts everything out there.

1987
01:49:38.439 --> 01:49:40.239
<v Speaker 1>You've been a large part of that, bringing something board

1988
01:49:40.319 --> 01:49:42.840
<v Speaker 1>like this culture needs to anything you have left off

1989
01:49:42.880 --> 01:49:44.359
<v Speaker 1>with the senior good.

1990
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<v Speaker 5>Thank you for your thoughts.

1991
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<v Speaker 1>Arn, thank you for your thoughts. Let me anything else
