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Speaker 1: Sword and Scale contains adult themes and violence, and is

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Speaker 2: Listener discretion is advice.

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Speaker 3: Can you understand that there's evidence also also the President Kennedy?

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Speaker 4: But I don't make it when we're talking about a

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Kennedy assassination, we're talking about you foot a sixteen year

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Speaker 1: You know, listening is a choice, right, some of you

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idiottack like you're doing your civic duty by censoring me. Anyway,

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this is season twelve, episode two ninety seven of Sword

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and Scale, a show on a reverence show that proves

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that the worst monsters are real. We're making a few

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changes around here, you know, moving the furniture around and whatnot,

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making Sword and Scale television a little more Sword and

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scalely because we know what you're like. Anyway, check it

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fund our television making project, I guess you would say.

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And we've got about I don't know what fifteen episodes now,

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so you could just pop in there and check them

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out in like a couple of days if you wanted

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guess that's it. I said I was going to keep

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these short, and I lied. I'm a filthy, dirty liar,

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and you should never ever believe anything I say or

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any other podcast post says, because we're all a bunch

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of filthy liars.

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Speaker 5: Enjoy.

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Speaker 1: On the afternoon of June fifth, nineteen ninety four, a

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woman noticed her car making a funny noise while driving

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along the Interstate in Lake City, Florida. After pulling into

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a BP gas station to have a mechanic take a look,

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she decided to kill some time by walking her dog

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around the property.

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Speaker 6: I was working that morning.

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Speaker 7: The lady, I can't remember if she was towed in,

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but another car was.

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Speaker 6: Broken down and we were working on her car, and

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she walked her dog.

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Speaker 4: And so she walked her dog out in that field

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that was beside the station, and a dog picked up

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Speaker 1: While walking toward the back of the business, the woman's

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dog started to pull on its leash toward a nearby dumpster.

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Not exactly a great sign. At first, she thought her

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dog had tracked an animal like a raccoon that may

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be rummaging through the trash. As the hair on the

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canine's back stood up up, she noticed a stench of

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bleach and then rot, becoming more pungent with each step

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she took. Moments later, the dog stopped in his tracks

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and started barking uncontrollably. He was clearly fixated on something

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behind the dumpster. As the woman inched her way to

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get a closer look, she could see a partially opened

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black contractor bag on the ground. She could see that

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something was hanging out of the plastic, but wasn't sure

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what until her dog snout moved the bag just enough

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to reveal the gruesome contents inside.

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Speaker 6: She turned back and thinking it was like a mannequin

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Speaker 8: I just yeah, dogs, it was crazy, so I decided

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Speaker 1: The gas station owner's first reaction upon scope out the

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scene was one of frustration. He thought the dark colored

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stains on the side of the dumpster and the concrete

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were transmission fluid, and that one of his lazy employees

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had simply made a mess. That is until he peeled

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back the trash back to get a closer look.

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Speaker 9: I want to stray around the edge and lived there

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Speaker 1: After notifying the police, deputies from the Columbia County Sheriff's

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Office promptly arrived on scene, only to be met by

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the dismembered torso of a young white male.

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Speaker 2: The body was laying his white inside. One arm was

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Speaker 4: The other arm the left arm stand to the side.

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Speaker 6: There the.

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Speaker 1: As it was they had. Hands and feet were all

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missing from the scene. The man's arms had been cut

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at the elbow, while the extremities were severed just below

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the pelvic bone, leaving only the penis and genitals intact.

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Speaker 6: What a scene.

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Speaker 1: The victim also had a mole located on his lower

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right chest. One of the first things investigators noticed was

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how precise the cuts were, almost surgical. There were no

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defensive wounds visible on the body, and the remains looked

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like they had been scrubbed clean. There was very little

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blood on the corpse itself, with no signs of decay

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or rigor, indicating that whoever this person was, he hadn't

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been dead for very long. As more detectives flocked to

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the gas station parking lot. It became apparent that the

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killer attempted to hide the remains in the dumpster, but

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may have had some trouble lifting the bag.

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Speaker 4: It was like a cuddle of blood blood air in

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the stained lift of puddle in one around.

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Speaker 6: The backing told tell something and been drilled through the user.

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Speaker 1: Blood smears on the upper part of the trash compartment

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indicated that someone had tried to toss the bag torso

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in the trash but had missed. The drag marks of

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blood and dirt visible on the asphalt trailing behind the

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dumpster supported this theory as well. Inside the dumpster itself,

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detectives found several black garbage bags. In them were a

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blood soaked foam egg crate, mattress topper, orange latex gloves,

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and two Ginzu style kitchen knives a great buy one

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get one free value. One of them was an eight

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inch serrated blade, while the other was a small standard

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stake knife. On the blade and handles of both instruments

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was the presence of a white powder like substance that

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appeared to be some kind of bleach like ajax or

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comment brightly colored floral shaped bath decals A non slip

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mat and a red, bloodstained flannel shirt were also recovered

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from the inside of the trash backs. While crime scene

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texts sifted through the trash collecting evidence, deputies interviewed the

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few witnesses there were, including the gas station owner, in

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hopes of learning who might be responsible.

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Speaker 6: Is there anything I hadn't asked you about? Did I

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need to ask you? Or something you think about the

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bothers you or anything about it?

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Speaker 4: By that top deal that I wish I'd never had

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to see it.

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Speaker 6: Us sir.

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Speaker 1: The next day, on June sixth, the torso was transported

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to the District for Medical Examiner's office in Jacksonville, Florida,

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where seasoned forensic pathologist doctor Margherita Arusa conducted her examination.

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It was determined that the male had traces of over

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the counter cold or flu medicine in his system, suggesting

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that the victim may have been immobilized or incapacitated before

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the dismemberment. The autopsy also revealed that the male victim

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was likely between fifteen and twenty two years old, stood

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around five foot eight inches tall, and had light brown hair. Unfortunately,

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at the time, there weren't any missing persons in the

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NCIS database fitting this description. After the items found in

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the dumpster were processed, forensic analysts were unable to lift

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any usable fingerprints, having said that a strand a hare

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was found on the latex glove and the bloody flannel

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and mattress topper had the obvious presence of DNA. Unfortunately,

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due to the lack of resources back in the mid nineties,

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the items were ultimately sheltered in an evidence locker somewhere

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in Lake City, Florida, where they would remain indefinitely, kind

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of like in the final scene of Indiana Jones. As

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the investigation slowly unfolded, the small town of Lake City

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buzzed with whispers and rumors. Gossip about a truck that

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had been allegedly sighted and the gas station parking lot

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started to circulate. Some claimed that it was a van

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they saw leaving the area before the gruesome discovery was

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made of van. Police followed up on these leads, but

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they were all dead ends. The first substantial clue came

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shortly after the story broke, when a witness came forward

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with new information. Around seven am on June fifth, nineteen

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ninety four, a man was driving past the BP gas

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station on his way home after working the night shift.

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Speaker 2: This is when he.

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Speaker 1: Noticed a suspicious car parked at the scene hours before

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the body was found.

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Speaker 3: Yes, the car to the dumps it large car land

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short call at in was like a fire.

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Speaker 2: Way hood was slammed.

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Speaker 6: Now it appeared to be dark. Jay's actually colored a

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dark color leading.

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Speaker 1: The sleek sports car would have turned heads anywhere in

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Lake City, Florida, but the fact that it was seen

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backed up to a dumpster in the early morning hours

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made the vehicle that much more. The witness told investigators

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it looked like someone was in the process of finishing

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up unloading something from the two door coup. The driver's

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door was open and the back hatch was up. The

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witness said that he could see someone in the driver's seat,

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but was unable to get a good look and couldn't

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really make out his or her physical description. It wasn't

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long before the case of the unidentified John Delle made

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national headline news, and the story was picked up by

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programs like Crime Stoppers and America's Most Wanted. Meanwhile, investigators

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worked tirelessly pursuing leads, but despite garnering widespread attention, authorities

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had little to go on. Months eventually turned into years,

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and public interests fizzled out. The people of Lake City

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eventually carried on with their lives, and before the year

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was over, the case had officially gone cold. Years went

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by and the case faded from the spotlight into obscurity.

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The unanswered questions surrounding the torso behind the dumpster seemed

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destined to remain that way. As for law enforcement, the

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case was never far from their minds. Authorities held on

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to this slim chance that the evidence now collecting dust

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might one day reveal the truth. Perhaps someday in the future,

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you know, when the cars are driving themselves and we're

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all living like the Jetsons, we'll be able to solve

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this strange and obscure case. Well, that chance ultimately came

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in twenty ten, when the bloody flannel shirt and orange

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gloves were pulled from storage and sent back to the lab.

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Nearly sixteen years after this mysterious crime occurred, advancements in

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DNA testing led investigators to re examine the items from

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the crime scene. Two partial DNA profiles were located, but

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neither matched any known offenders in the NCIS database. It

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was progress, but not enough, and it wouldn't be for

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another five years until investigators truly started connecting the dots.

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In twenty fifteen, the cousins of a young man named

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Fred Laster were researching cold cases online. Fred was only

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sixteen years old when he went missing back in nineteen

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ninety four, but when his family came across a John

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Doe poster for a male victim whose torso was behind

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a dumpster twenty one years before, the description was hauntingly familiar.

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The height, the specific physical features. They all matched Fred,

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who had disappeared without a trace around the same time.

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The poster, provided by the National Center for Missing and

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Exploited Children website, also included a photo of the red

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flannel shirt and bathtub decals that had been inside the dumpster.

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Fred's cousins then contacted the missing teens brothers and sisters

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who remembered having seen these items before.

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Speaker 9: Found a shirt he was wearing at the time, and

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I found my cousins described the the skid things in

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the bathtoe.

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Speaker 1: Fred's siblings revealed a disturbing connection to investigators over the phone,

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which was a family acquaintance named Ron Hide. Ron Hyde

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had been a trusted figure in their lives. The family

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knew Ron Hide very well, and all of the children

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had been inside his home many times. The missing teen's

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family went on to inform investigators that Hide was known

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to drive a dark colored Camaro, resembling the vehicle spotted

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near the crime scene in nineteen ninety four. This little

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revelation prompted detectives to take a closer look into Ron

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Hyde for the first time since the torso was found

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over two decades ago. In the early morning of June fifth,

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nineteen ninety four, a woman made a horrible discovery behind

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a bp gas station off Interstate ten. Not sure what

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kind of discovery you would make behind a BPA gas

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station that was anything but horrible, But I digress. I

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digress a lot these days. It's starting to become a

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bad habit. Anyway. There was a dismembered torso, stripped of

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identifying features, wrapped in bloodstained plastic behind that BPAK gas station.

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In fact, it was behind a dumpster behind that BPA

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gas station. The gruesome vind sent shockwaves through the small

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Florida community, but despite extensive forensic efforts and witness tips,

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the case hit one dead end after the next, the

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investigation went cold, leaving behind a trail of unanswered questions

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and a nameless victim. It wasn't until two decades later

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that Fred Laster's cousin stumbled upon a flyer featuring items

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recovered at a nineteen ninety four crime scene related to

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a John Doe. When the family alerted authorities in twenty fifteen,

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they shared another chilling detail. Fred was last heard from

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while in the company of a trusted family acquaintance named

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Ron Hyde. Fred's family also revealed that Hide drove a

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dark colored Camaro similar to the one spotted at the

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crime scene. According to the family's statements to police, in

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the early summer of nineteen ninety four, Fred packed a

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bag with a handful of clothes before leaving his sister's

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apartment and getting into Ron Hyde's vehicle, who had come

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to pick him up. At the time, his siblings believed

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Fred was preparing to leave on tour with his band

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in the following days. He was supposed to do a

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short stint of shows down the Florida coastline, but when

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Fred's siblings received a phone call from him hours later,

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they knew something wasn't right.

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Speaker 8: He's a friend, and she's like, he's a year and

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really told to you and.

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Speaker 10: She's like, and he's a year.

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Speaker 1: Fred's sister told police that her brother sounded strange over

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the phone and not like his normal self. He sounded distant,

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both emotionally and literally. According to Fred's sister, it sounded

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like he was outside when he called her. When she

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asked Fred what was going on, he told her that

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he had just called to tell his family that he

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loved them. A short time later, after this new information surfaced,

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investigators followed up Fred's siblings to collect swabs of their DNA.

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The results ultimately came back as a match to the

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blood found on the red flannel shirt, confirming that Fred

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had been murdered. Roughly one year later, on April twelfth,

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twenty sixteen, a trash poll was conducted at Ron Hyde's

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Jacksonville Beach, Florida home. Two garbage backs were removed from

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a bin he had placed by the roadside. At the

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top of the first trash bag was a piece of

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the suspect's male as well as a red solo cup

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that contained several used zycam nasal swabs. After those items

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were sent off for DNA testing, they came back as

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a match to a second profile discovered on the bloody flannel.

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In addition, the strand of hair located on the orange

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bloody gloves found at the dumpster matched Ron Hide's de

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check mate. On March sixth, twenty seventeen, officers surrounded hides

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Jacksonville Beach home. He was taken into custody without further incident,

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and investigators executed search warrants on his two Florida properties.

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Speaker 5: Pretty much all day.

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Speaker 11: We've been seeing people in hazmat suits.

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Speaker 1: We saw guitar cases.

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Speaker 5: Being brought out.

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Speaker 1: There's a wheelbarrow tractor.

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Speaker 6: They're bringing out evidence left and right.

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Speaker 1: It looks like utilizing heavy machinery. Authorities started digging up

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Hide's yard and while recovering Fred's limbs and skullwar among

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the top items of interest, there was no telling what

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he had back there.

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Speaker 10: That had to be very careful about that to make

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sure they don't damage any remains that may be there,

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to see if there remains of other people. There may

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be some other children who may have been involved, who

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are associated with Highe.

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Speaker 6: They may have been point of missing, had never located,

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so it's.

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Speaker 10: Going to take some time. To do that, to be

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very careful and checked the backyard front yards of all

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the properties that Hide either owned or lived at.

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Speaker 1: As far as the interior goes, Hides Jacksonville Beach home

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rivaled Annie Dwelling shown on the television show Hoarders. You've

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seen that show, right, It's pretty horrifying. The condition of

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Hyde's home was so putrid that the crime scene texts

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and authorities alike were forced to wear respirators while navigating

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through piles of garbage. Perhaps the most crucial discovery made

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was the impression of floral decals located in the bathtub.

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The outlines of dirt and grime definitively matched those of

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the decals found inside the gas station dumpster over two

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decades prior, the ones that were, you know, near a

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body and stuff. The following day, Ron Hyde was brought

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into the interrogation room, at which time investigators asked him

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about his Oh, I don't know, preferences. Is that the

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term we're using these days for things like porn?

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Speaker 6: And it's a little embarrassing.

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Speaker 4: I don't want me and tell anybody, but you watch

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forgraphy or anything, use any websites?

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Speaker 6: Sure? Okay?

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Speaker 5: Yes?

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Speaker 6: All right, I don't need particular details of it. Well,

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it's not.

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Speaker 12: For me.

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Speaker 7: What are some common search terms that you use? And

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again I apologize, I'm not trying to embarrass you, but

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people tend to like, or you know, go towards certain

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certain types of adult pornography.

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Speaker 2: Is there certain stuff that you search for?

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Speaker 7: We're just trying to cross that gap and figure out,

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you know why your name's come up?

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Speaker 2: No cheerleaders or you.

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Speaker 12: Know, guys.

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Speaker 6: Chatter bay.

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Speaker 4: Okay, Fat, I don't know about the website called fab.

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I know what the term fat means. I mean there

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may be a side by that just might be one.

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I have a scene yet, because there's only yeah, sure

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sure ex hamster, ex hamster.

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Speaker 6: Ex videos.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So, if you're listening to this with your partner,

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as a lot of our fans do, this is the

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point in the story where you feign ignorance and pretend

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like you've never heard of these websites before. You have

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no idea what is that ex hamster? I have never

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never even heard of that. I'll just go ahead and

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let you sit there in your awkwardness for a minute.

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Oh boy, do you and your partner have things to

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talk about? That's what we do here at toward scale

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relationship counseling. Anyway, you might be asking yourself, why the

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hell is this relevant. We'll get to that, but for now,

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investigators are trying to keep things light, so they ease

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into the conversation by asking Hid about his relationship with

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the victims family.

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Speaker 3: Try to us Jay last year as l a sc

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r okay, and how do you know him?

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Speaker 2: Is he through through work or do you see conto

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something else?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 2: I met him years ago in church. Really are where such?

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Really where he's from?

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Speaker 4: It was.

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Speaker 2: Stretch for a living Baptists no longer.

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Speaker 1: Detectives are already aware of this man's entire background before

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they even walked into the room, including how he was

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once an employee of the Jacksonville Sheriff's Office. Get this.

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Back in the seventies, Hyde worked as a mentor to

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teenage sex offenders within the Department of Corrections. Years later,

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Hyde earned his psychology degree from the University of Florida

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in nineteen eighty one. He also took classes to become

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a nurse, at one point studying human anatomy. Hyde was

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familiar with joints, bone structure, and the placement of internal organs,

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leading investigators to believe that he may have some knowledge

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of surgical procedures or dismemberment. Upon looking into his background

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further authorities learning that Hide also attempted to secure a

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sixty thousand dollars grant to open a counseling center for

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abused teenagers. That plan fell through. Thank god, he became

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a licensed youth counselor and mental health professional instead, a

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field he worked in for roughly sixteen years. I've said

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it again and again, if you want to find out

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where the predators are, go where the prey is. During

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his interview, Hyde explained his work history a bit more

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in depth to detectives, starting with his quote unquote teaching methods.

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Speaker 2: Versus using the assistance.

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Speaker 3: Lost or lost something we want to find it. Okay,

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of course, the idea is to be able to see

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the child away from the parents.

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Speaker 6: Okay too.

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Speaker 4: So where he's doing more in terms of like people

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who were abductors, like strangers that have children.

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Speaker 2: Yes, okay, well I'm just trying.

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Speaker 6: I'm asking you know where your program's gear tickets. Now,

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I'm not kind of interested in it.

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Speaker 3: Is essentially teaching the fifteen different lures as an under

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use to the parents to hope to keep it gets

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safe and help parents recognize that and you know, keep

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your kids away from people.

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Speaker 2: Well, yes, it is simply to be aware of it.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And actually during the presentation, I actually demonstrate.

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Speaker 6: One of the worst.

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Speaker 2: I tell them that design, I'm going to demonstrate it,

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and then halfway through the program.

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Speaker 3: I stopped and make an excuse is I'm sorry I

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left something in my room. I just seeing up and

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stretching all your fat. And I always go to the

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smallest child in the room and ask them if.

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Speaker 6: I really just about every time they said, oh yeah, sure,

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one has never failed. It's fine you use them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, when you've watched enough of these interrogations, you start

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to see the strategy. At one point, the male detective

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deliberately exits the room in an attempt to see what

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else Hide will offer up.

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Speaker 7: Again, I don't want to push you on the spot

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with anything, and I didn't know if it was uncomfortable

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to talk about in front of Jimmy.

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Speaker 2: But what's your sexual orientation? Do you what's your preference?

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Speaker 7: Do you swing one way or the other? And again

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I apologize, I'm not asking you to embarrass you, I

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wasn't sure if this was maybe uncomfortable in front of

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another fella.

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Speaker 3: Sure, sure, So I mean predominantly hood or sexual Okay,

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that's my preference.

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Speaker 2: Maybe some curiosities and.

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Speaker 5: Stuff for.

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Speaker 13: I'm a therapist, okay, okay, And so part of my

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training is in sex theory, okay, okay, And so.

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Speaker 2: I have to be somewhat.

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Speaker 3: Comfortable being able to talk to men about men's issues,

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definitely gay issues, all of those kind of swinging issues

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or whatever it might be. I mean, if i'm if

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i'm because you haven't worked with the with the sex

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offender population, not only adult also adolescent sex offenders.

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Speaker 2: And there's a special special CEUs that.

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Speaker 3: You get in order to learn how to work with

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them so that you were able to talk with them

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such that it's it's not sexually stimulating understands as a

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child or a teenager.

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Speaker 2: And and then so as a result of that, yeah, I.

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Speaker 3: To try to keep an open mind and.

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Speaker 2: You know, desensitize myself. I guess you might say to you,

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I mean, I'm not afraid of the penis as a disturbing.

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Speaker 6: Them all.

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Speaker 1: And way back to what brought this dirty old man

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here in the first place. Hyde also volunteered at Crosswater

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Community Church in Jacksonville. Are you surprised? He later became

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a youth pastor at Strength for Living Church, which is

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where he met Fred's older brother Travis. It was around

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this time that Hide started living a double life. The

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church's pastor, doctor Ed Stallnecker, had previously been investigated for

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financial fraud and other shady activities. Stallnecker was a known

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drinker and allowed people to smoke in church while hosting

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a local gospel talk show with his wife on the side.

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Beware of false prophets, they say. Under the guise of

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helping low income children through maritime programs, the church ran

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donation scams, misleading people into giving away boats and other

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high ticketed items for the local Boy Scouts. In return,

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donors were supposed to receive tax credits. The laster children

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were drawn to the church's music scene, and Hyde often

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picked them up for weekend services, building trust within the family.

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These outsiders, these strangers that kind of work their way

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into your home, into your family's home, into your children's lives.

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They know exactly what they're doing. It's a dance of

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polite manipulation and a lot of people are too stupid

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to notice it. Fred Laster was drawn to music and

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all the shiny instruments, as young people often are. He

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particularly enjoyed playing in the church band. Before long, Hide

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was spending an abnormal amount of time with all six

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of the Laster children. He acted as their mentor due

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to the fact that Fred's mother and father weren't in

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the picture.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm assuming the parents are not great people.

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If they were living with Grandma and grandpa, or were

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they in jail.

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Speaker 3: Or was it something else?

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Speaker 2: Something else? The parents is worse and.

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Speaker 3: The father.

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Speaker 2: Don't know where he was, so it was another with

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his children living there with the grandparents.

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Speaker 1: Investigators also learned that Hyde had been claiming Fred and

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his siblings as dependents on his tax filings for years.

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In fact, he continued to do so long after Fred

481
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:42,039
was killed. Well, some of the children went off on

482
00:33:42,119 --> 00:33:46,200
their own, others lived with their grandmother. They essentially had

483
00:33:46,279 --> 00:33:49,519
free reign, and as a result, Hyde was allowed to

484
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:54,640
take Travis, Fred and the others on routine trips and outings.

485
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:59,359
Speaker 7: So you met Travis at that church, Travis's guy and

486
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:01,160
a promo snow shoes.

487
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:08,320
Speaker 3: For a long time, Yes, Yeah, yeah, no problems.

488
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 6: Children holler their children. Really, that's nice. How long have

489
00:34:15,559 --> 00:34:18,239
you known this? And since he was a kid or

490
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:23,760
just after he got into his garden? Yeah? Age, no, No,

491
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:24,880
he's younger.

492
00:34:26,639 --> 00:34:30,079
Speaker 1: Travis eventually grew up and started a life of his own,

493
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:34,000
which is when Hyde started to spend more time with

494
00:34:34,119 --> 00:34:38,000
his little brother Fred. During the twelve months leading up

495
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:41,880
to his disappearance, Fred was couch hopping between his grandmother's

496
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:46,239
and sister's apartment before moving in with Hyde full time

497
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:51,199
four years after Fred's murder. Heide earned his master's degree

498
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:54,519
in education in nineteen ninety eight and later applied for

499
00:34:54,559 --> 00:34:58,280
a job as counselor for a so called nudist organization.

500
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:00,199
He belonged to have.

501
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:09,760
Speaker 4: Any any nudity stuff, any nudists, naturists, anything like that.

502
00:35:10,199 --> 00:35:12,320
Speaker 6: Is that something you would look up or anything?

503
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 3: Yes, okay, I'm a member in your association news recreation.

504
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:22,119
Speaker 6: They had an association, Yes, sir, okay, how long have you.

505
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 3: Enjoying that's a Now it's a nationwide organization.

506
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 4: Is it possible then maybe he came across pictures of

507
00:35:33,559 --> 00:35:36,119
kids like of course, look at that.

508
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:38,639
Speaker 2: They have a website and does have a website, and.

509
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:46,360
Speaker 3: There are other websites that have Nature's videos, yes, sir,

510
00:35:46,599 --> 00:35:50,360
And of course it does include children, okay, new children

511
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:55,400
because they're not in US. There's no sexual okay, but

512
00:35:55,559 --> 00:35:59,599
nobody supposed in a sexual position of the news.

513
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 2: Just chiming, swimming or their families or swing.

514
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:11,840
Speaker 6: Okay said nothing nothing sexualized about it. Just people basically recreation.

515
00:36:12,159 --> 00:36:13,280
They just happen to be new.

516
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:19,039
Speaker 1: Naturist. That's a term that you might want to check

517
00:36:19,159 --> 00:36:23,119
for in your boyfriend or husband's search history. If you

518
00:36:23,199 --> 00:36:26,079
find it, your next call should probably be to a lawyer.

519
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,480
And if I have to explain why, then maybe perhaps

520
00:36:29,599 --> 00:36:31,360
you should just never breed.

521
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,519
Speaker 4: You know, ransom database searches just to see who come

522
00:36:34,599 --> 00:36:39,559
up with. And I ran your name and Iran Travis's

523
00:36:39,639 --> 00:36:40,920
name just to see even came up.

524
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 6: I didn't see.

525
00:36:42,199 --> 00:36:50,360
Speaker 4: Anything on Trevis, you know, a thread lesser, his brother, Okay,

526
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:54,159
his name came up, and then it had your name

527
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:56,320
in the report for him being missing.

528
00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:58,679
Speaker 6: Okay, do you own.

529
00:37:02,519 --> 00:37:03,280
Speaker 2: Twenty years ago?

530
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:04,679
Speaker 6: Okay?

531
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's an a whole lot to that record they

532
00:37:10,039 --> 00:37:14,119
had in that girl that father report said you picked

533
00:37:14,159 --> 00:37:15,079
him up from the house.

534
00:37:16,079 --> 00:37:20,159
Speaker 6: And I didn't see where anybody talked to you? Did

535
00:37:20,159 --> 00:37:21,440
anybody ever call to you about that?

536
00:37:21,559 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 2: Or do you remember anybody the police?

537
00:37:24,559 --> 00:37:24,760
Speaker 5: Yeah?

538
00:37:26,679 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 4: Okay, so you know about him being missing fairly, he

539
00:37:31,119 --> 00:37:36,159
still listen missing, okay? So why was first of all

540
00:37:36,199 --> 00:37:38,599
you knew we're finding Okay?

541
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:44,559
Speaker 1: The torso was found roughly a month before Fred was

542
00:37:44,679 --> 00:37:49,760
first reported missing. On July first, nineteen ninety four, Fred's

543
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:53,320
sister and brother visited with the local police and the sheriff,

544
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:57,679
informing them that Fred was last seen several weeks before

545
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:03,159
in early June, but for whatever reason, authorities at the

546
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:07,840
local branch and the Sheriff's office failed to document this

547
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:12,039
initial report, and there was no actual paper trail indicating

548
00:38:12,119 --> 00:38:17,559
that Fred was missing at all. Early on days after

549
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:21,679
she last spoke with Fred, his sister called Hyde to

550
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:25,639
ask him what he had done with her brother. According

551
00:38:25,679 --> 00:38:29,239
to her statements to police, Hide laughed and told her

552
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,679
that he had no idea where Fred was before hanging

553
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:36,920
up the phone. Sometime later, Fred's family confronted Hyde again,

554
00:38:37,559 --> 00:38:42,000
at which time he offered a completely different story. Hyde

555
00:38:42,079 --> 00:38:45,079
told Fred's family that he must have forgotten that he

556
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:48,719
actually had been with Fred. On June fourth, nineteen ninety four,

557
00:38:49,599 --> 00:38:52,159
the day before his body was found at the gas station.

558
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:57,000
During that conversation, Hide told Fred's siblings that he'd come

559
00:38:57,079 --> 00:38:59,960
to his home that morning to help with the garage sale.

560
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:05,519
Hides PayPal account ultimately verified profits made that day. But

561
00:39:06,159 --> 00:39:09,320
what wasn't adding up was when Hyde claimed he had

562
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:11,960
given Fred a ride back to his grandmother's home later

563
00:39:12,039 --> 00:39:15,639
that evening, and that he was reluctant to leave.

564
00:39:16,519 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 6: He said, and.

565
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 2: He grabbed a steering wheel and pulled the car over off.

566
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 14: The Rose side of the road and got out of

567
00:39:29,079 --> 00:39:35,519
the car and ran and actually actually ran across the

568
00:39:36,519 --> 00:39:38,000
Rose Chilean.

569
00:39:39,039 --> 00:39:42,519
Speaker 3: Highway and just sat out of the car and ran

570
00:39:42,599 --> 00:39:47,159
across the street and was going down the other side,

571
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:51,239
actually going back to where we were had come from

572
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:52,559
from Jacksonville.

573
00:39:54,199 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 1: According to this new and improved version of events, Fred

574
00:39:58,039 --> 00:40:01,480
exited the vehicle that fateful night, took off on foot,

575
00:40:02,199 --> 00:40:07,320
and was never seen again. Convenient from that point forward,

576
00:40:07,519 --> 00:40:12,800
Hyde's explanation for Fred's disappearance shifted, constantly claiming he dropped

577
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:16,480
him off near a bridge at a park, back at

578
00:40:16,519 --> 00:40:19,760
his grandmother's and who knows where else.

579
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 14: It was a try.

580
00:40:25,639 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 3: SOB I mean, I just see the lights in the

581
00:40:32,079 --> 00:40:36,519
review mirror. I saw, I saw him saw, and I

582
00:40:36,559 --> 00:40:42,039
assumed that I didn't actually see that. All I saw

583
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:46,360
was the truck coming past me and about where he was.

584
00:40:46,559 --> 00:40:49,199
They stopped, and then and then.

585
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:50,320
Speaker 12: On and.

586
00:40:57,519 --> 00:41:00,880
Speaker 1: Each new version. Only deep in the family abisis. Of course,

587
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:04,800
they were left feeling helpless and seemingly without the help

588
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:05,760
of law enforcement.

589
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:09,199
Speaker 3: There were people talking about seeing him in the area,

590
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:12,280
like there were a couple of other people to assign

591
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:17,920
a different places us after that day, Brian, do you.

592
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 4: Remember who any of those people are and we could

593
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,719
ask some about it, if they saw him or anything.

594
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:29,679
Speaker 2: No, probably say that, probably Dawn my sister in fact,

595
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:30,320
that he was.

596
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:31,400
Speaker 6: On the poloard.

597
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 1: Roughly eight months after his disappearance, Fred's sister filed yet

598
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,920
another missing person's report in February of nineteen ninety five.

599
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,599
This was the first time Fred Laster's name was entered

600
00:41:44,639 --> 00:41:49,599
into the NCIS database as a missing person. Sadly, it

601
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:52,800
wasn't until she called the number on the cold case

602
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:57,639
flyer in twenty fifteen that investigators even looked at Ron

603
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:03,679
Hyde as a suspect years after the murder. By this

604
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,480
stage of the interview, Hide is still unaware that the

605
00:42:06,559 --> 00:42:10,920
female detective, strategically playing the role of a quote unquote

606
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:16,320
good cop, is actually an FBI agent. Roughly an hour

607
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:19,519
and a half into his interrogation, she asks Hide about

608
00:42:19,639 --> 00:42:23,000
the vehicle he was driving back in nineteen ninety four.

609
00:42:23,679 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 2: What kind of car did you drive at that time?

610
00:42:28,119 --> 00:42:31,199
Speaker 4: Nice read?

611
00:42:33,639 --> 00:42:38,280
Speaker 6: Okay, Well, that's that's my second favorite, because do you

612
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:38,800
still drive.

613
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 2: I didn't see your car this morning. Do you still

614
00:42:40,519 --> 00:42:41,519
have a nice ascle car?

615
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:46,199
Speaker 6: Yeah, you got out of the Yeah. For the community,

616
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:47,960
you need to go out.

617
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:52,039
Speaker 12: No.

618
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:55,599
Speaker 6: Sorry, Oh, he's quite a flucture nowadays. It would be

619
00:42:56,119 --> 00:43:02,679
what he was eighty and actually like this.

620
00:43:04,159 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 1: Investigators already knew that the Camaro was registered to Hyde's father,

621
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,800
News of the dark colored vehicle witnessed backing up to

622
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:16,039
the dumpster was never released to the public, and Ron

623
00:43:16,159 --> 00:43:20,199
Hyde had just inadvertently placed himself at the crime scene.

624
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:21,679
Speaker 6: Oops.

625
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,679
Speaker 1: After a few more minutes of small talk, the male

626
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:30,920
detective or quote unquote bad cop established is that they're

627
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:34,559
done playing games. He informs Hyde that they know much

628
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:39,199
more than they've been letting on. This is the oh shit,

629
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:42,360
I'm in trouble moment of the interrogation.

630
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 4: So I'm going to tell you this, and I just

631
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:50,079
one should understand. We identified the body of Bread last year.

632
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:57,119
Oh yes, sir, and so we do know where his

633
00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:01,320
body was found going back that timeframe.

634
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:02,039
Speaker 2: Okay.

635
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:05,639
Speaker 4: So again that's one of the reasons I'm asking these questions.

636
00:44:05,679 --> 00:44:08,280
Wh I'm trying to see if you know anything about

637
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:08,800
that hermon.

638
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 3: Where was he found?

639
00:44:11,639 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 6: He was found over in Columbia County over by Lake City. Wow,

640
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:19,159
have you ever been over there before? You know where

641
00:44:19,199 --> 00:44:23,559
that is? Well? I know where Lake City is, Okay. Well,

642
00:44:24,159 --> 00:44:27,719
along with his body, we found a.

643
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 4: Lot of items of evidence as well, and those items

644
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:36,000
of evidence have been tested over for some many years,

645
00:44:36,119 --> 00:44:40,360
twenty four years, and we were able to recover fingerprints

646
00:44:41,119 --> 00:44:45,559
and DNA from that evidence. Now I will tell you

647
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:47,679
that we were able to get a call sample of

648
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:52,880
your DNA several months ago, and your DNA matches the

649
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:54,280
DNA from that Parmesey.

650
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:56,159
Speaker 5: Okay.

651
00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 4: So what I'm here to tell you today is I

652
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:06,400
know how Fred Paul Aster got in a dumpster and

653
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:11,119
leg see, and I know who put him there, and

654
00:45:11,199 --> 00:45:14,360
I know that that person was you. And I will

655
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:16,480
tell you that I have plenty of evidence to back

656
00:45:16,559 --> 00:45:22,440
that up, including your car backed up to that dumpster,

657
00:45:24,559 --> 00:45:28,119
and all the DNA evidence, the fingerprint evidence, the stuff

658
00:45:28,159 --> 00:45:30,039
that was left in there that was thrown away with

659
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:35,440
that body. I know all those things. So the reason

660
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:37,800
I'm here to talk to you about is today is

661
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:41,239
I want to give you an opportunity to explain, you know,

662
00:45:41,519 --> 00:45:44,400
what really happened there. Now, you can try to deny

663
00:45:44,519 --> 00:45:48,960
these things if you choose to, but evidence doesn't lie.

664
00:45:50,159 --> 00:45:53,000
And that's what I'm trying to tell you, as I'm

665
00:45:53,039 --> 00:45:55,559
not here today, just to try to simply get to

666
00:45:55,639 --> 00:45:59,360
the point of what happened there as far as that goes.

667
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:01,360
Speaker 6: I know what happen up in there, but I don't

668
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:02,639
know why this happened.

669
00:46:03,159 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 4: I don't know exactly how this happened as far as

670
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:07,760
because I wasn't there in the room going to happen.

671
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 6: And so those are some of the things I'm trying

672
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:11,760
to get into today, and I want to give you

673
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:13,800
an opportunity to explain this.

674
00:46:14,039 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 1: And one would think this is where the interview ends

675
00:46:18,039 --> 00:46:23,079
and hide asks for an attorney, but guess what, people

676
00:46:23,159 --> 00:46:28,280
are really dumb, so of course he doesn't. Instead, he

677
00:46:28,599 --> 00:46:31,559
digs his heels and denies any involvement in the murder

678
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:36,480
of Fred Laster because he thinks he's smart enough to

679
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:38,760
talk his way out of this.

680
00:46:39,599 --> 00:46:46,039
Speaker 2: The last was even that's the last time you saw

681
00:46:47,079 --> 00:46:47,440
that long.

682
00:46:47,519 --> 00:46:49,639
Speaker 4: The last thing he saw for it was when you

683
00:46:49,679 --> 00:46:51,519
were pushing and trying to push his body into the

684
00:46:51,599 --> 00:46:54,360
dumpster and then it fell down and then you dragged

685
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:55,199
it behind the dumpster.

686
00:46:56,440 --> 00:47:03,639
Speaker 6: So but that's what I'm telling you is all the

687
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:08,159
evidence as all. You understand that.

688
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:12,320
Speaker 2: There's evidence also for the President of Kennedy, but I

689
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:12,840
don't make it.

690
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 4: We're talking about the Kennedy assassination. We're talking about you

691
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:19,880
put a sixteen year old boy in a dumpster that

692
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:21,920
wouldn't be said what it was?

693
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:26,360
Speaker 1: A broken clock is right, at least twice a day, right,

694
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:30,199
I mean the Kennedy assassination. Let's just not get into it. Anyway.

695
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:37,000
Despite his irrelevant theories about Kennedy, the evidence was stacked

696
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:39,960
against him, and the fact becomes even more clear when

697
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:45,119
authorities reveal that they know about his disturbing secret involving

698
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:45,840
Fred's brother.

699
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:51,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, Travis and I know about things that between Travis

700
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:55,480
when he was a young boy. Okay, you know what

701
00:47:55,519 --> 00:47:56,480
I'm talking about there.

702
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:56,679
Speaker 6: Don't you.

703
00:47:58,199 --> 00:47:58,599
Speaker 9: So, man?

704
00:47:58,920 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 2: But what are you referring to?

705
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:02,719
Speaker 4: See he came in this game mark he hear, and

706
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:04,599
tell me what you're referring to, because you know what

707
00:48:04,679 --> 00:48:07,480
I'm talking about. Inappropriate things that happened with him when

708
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:10,079
he was a young boar was fitted that way, sexual

709
00:48:10,199 --> 00:48:12,639
acts that had him with him when he was under

710
00:48:12,639 --> 00:48:13,440
the age of eighteen.

711
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:17,400
Speaker 6: Why would you transliding about that?

712
00:48:19,119 --> 00:48:26,760
Speaker 1: I at a loss, I know, surely in fear of

713
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:30,559
his own life. It took Fred's brother, Travis nearly two

714
00:48:30,679 --> 00:48:34,519
decades to come forward and reveal that Hyde molested him

715
00:48:34,519 --> 00:48:39,440
when he was young, But Travis hadn't been his only victim.

716
00:48:40,119 --> 00:48:42,760
Speaker 4: He told me about the other boy that you were

717
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:47,519
lesson before he met you, and the church is strength

718
00:48:47,599 --> 00:48:47,960
for living.

719
00:48:49,159 --> 00:48:53,320
Speaker 1: According to Travis's statements to police, Hyde had been grooming

720
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:56,639
and praying upon young boys from the church for years,

721
00:48:57,599 --> 00:49:02,199
using his role as a counselor to conceal his vile exploits.

722
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:06,880
Travis told investigators to believe Hyde killed his brother out

723
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:09,400
of fear of finally being exposed.

724
00:49:10,119 --> 00:49:14,599
Speaker 4: So again, if this is something where Fred was blackmailing you,

725
00:49:15,119 --> 00:49:17,480
bread and ruvealed these secrets and stuff like that.

726
00:49:18,519 --> 00:49:20,880
Speaker 6: I can understand it, that makes some sense.

727
00:49:22,079 --> 00:49:26,840
Speaker 4: But just telling me none of this happened, I mean something,

728
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:29,360
cut it, man, nobody's going to Nobody.

729
00:49:29,199 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 6: Reasonable is going to believe. That's sort And that's what

730
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:33,199
I'm trying to tell you.

731
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 4: Of course, So again, I just want you to tell me,

732
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:40,960
you know what happened to the kid upset you as

733
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:43,000
a kid blacking out, if he did something to you,

734
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:46,360
Just telling me, honestly, tell me where I could find

735
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:49,039
her so so I can give that actress family.

736
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:50,599
Speaker 6: That's what I'm trying to do.

737
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 3: I don't know, Okay, I had no idea. It was

738
00:49:57,960 --> 00:49:59,880
a surprise to need to find the news.

739
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:33,239
Speaker 1: In early June of nineteen ninety four, a mutilated torso

740
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:36,719
was found discarded behind a gas station in Lake City, Florida.

741
00:50:37,599 --> 00:50:42,000
The victim's head and limbs had been meticulously removed, leaving

742
00:50:42,079 --> 00:50:46,079
police with no way to identify the body. For years,

743
00:50:46,159 --> 00:50:49,840
the case was stuck in limbo as investigators hit one

744
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:55,079
dead end after another. Then in twenty fifteen, Fred Laster's

745
00:50:55,199 --> 00:50:59,599
family recognized items shown on a John Doe flyer and

746
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:04,719
alerted authorities, suspecting it might be their missing relative. As

747
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:09,840
detectives re examined old evidence using new DNA technology. They

748
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:13,800
were eventually led to Ron Hyde, a sixty one year

749
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:19,159
old youth pastor and trusted figure in the community. After

750
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:23,639
matching DNA from the nineteen ninety four dumpster two items

751
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:28,039
recovered that were left outside of Hyde's home. Victims of

752
00:51:28,159 --> 00:51:32,480
Hyde started coming forward alleging that he had sexually abused

753
00:51:32,559 --> 00:51:37,880
them as kids. In twenty seventeen, twenty plus years after

754
00:51:38,039 --> 00:51:42,239
Fred Laster was murdered, authorities finally had enough to take

755
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:46,599
the perverted old man into custody. The following day, Hyde

756
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:50,480
was brought in for a lengthy interrogation where his story

757
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:54,079
unraveled peace by peace Again.

758
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:57,199
Speaker 4: You can try to say, oh, it was me after

759
00:51:57,679 --> 00:52:01,400
everything that says it was. We have your DNA, we

760
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:05,000
have all of this said that's leaking you to the scene.

761
00:52:05,519 --> 00:52:09,599
And does this sound reasonable you? I mean, I'm trying

762
00:52:09,639 --> 00:52:11,119
to give you my perspective of us.

763
00:52:11,679 --> 00:52:12,920
Speaker 2: I understand what you're saying.

764
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:15,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm ensure that boy.

765
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:22,559
Speaker 1: Hyde continued to deny allegations throughout his interrogation. After leaving

766
00:52:22,639 --> 00:52:25,840
him to ponder over whether or not to take a polygraph,

767
00:52:26,559 --> 00:52:29,280
he eventually invoked his right to speak with an attorney.

768
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:34,239
Following a nearly six hour interview, Ron Hyde was asked

769
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:38,239
to stand placed into handcuffs and arrested.

770
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:41,599
Speaker 6: I'll let you know that currently you are unarrested. You've

771
00:52:41,599 --> 00:52:42,400
ever turned rounded?

772
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:45,280
Speaker 4: Would you like me to explain why you're un arrest yes,

773
00:52:46,119 --> 00:52:48,840
so you have a murderer warm for your arrest right now.

774
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 1: In the days that followed, authorities used billboards to call

775
00:52:54,079 --> 00:52:57,559
upon the public, pleading for anyone with information about the

776
00:52:57,679 --> 00:53:01,199
nearly twenty three year old cold case to come forward.

777
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:05,800
To their surprise, tips came flooding into the FBI hotline.

778
00:53:06,679 --> 00:53:10,800
Former coworkers of Hyde reported that he'd openly spoken about

779
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:14,800
sleeping in bed with underage boys wearing only his underwear.

780
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:19,000
Other witnesses said Hide admitted to visiting a local golf

781
00:53:19,079 --> 00:53:23,599
course to meet young men. I'd also allegedly visited his

782
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:28,119
local YMCA not to work out, but so lead a

783
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:32,119
shower nude while looking at boys in the locker room.

784
00:53:32,159 --> 00:53:35,960
You know that song, right, YMCA? You know the cultural

785
00:53:36,039 --> 00:53:37,119
significance of it, right?

786
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:38,639
Speaker 10: You know what they're.

787
00:53:40,119 --> 00:53:43,559
Speaker 1: Doing there at the state funded facility. Not sure why

788
00:53:43,639 --> 00:53:45,400
some moms like to side with the gaze rather than

789
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:48,079
their own children. Oh and before you send in that

790
00:53:48,159 --> 00:53:52,719
angry email standing for a child molester, what do you

791
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:53,199
think about it?

792
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:53,679
Speaker 6: A little bit?

793
00:53:54,639 --> 00:53:59,159
Speaker 1: Also, I don't give a shit, so keep it to yourself. Yeah, anyway.

794
00:53:59,639 --> 00:54:04,760
Following Hyde's arrest, several former juvenile inmates came forward alleging

795
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:08,199
that Hyde sexually abused them in his office during his

796
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:13,079
tenure with the Jacksonville Sheriff's Department. It is indeed fun

797
00:54:13,119 --> 00:54:16,800
to stay at the YMCAI here anyway. Before the murder

798
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:21,760
of Fred Laster, Hyde had no prior criminal history, but

799
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:25,360
he was written up for sexual harassment in nineteen ninety

800
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:30,239
eight for making inappropriate comments to a female coworker. In

801
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:33,679
twenty thirteen, Hyde's name also popped up in a three

802
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:40,360
year international child pornography investigation out of Toronto called Project Spade.

803
00:54:41,079 --> 00:54:44,320
Speaker 15: In October twenty ten, undercover online officers with the Child

804
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:47,679
Expectation Section of the Toronto Police Service made contact with

805
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:50,320
a male on the Internet who is sharing very graphic

806
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:54,599
images of young children being sexually abused. Through investigations, the

807
00:54:54,679 --> 00:54:57,079
officers were able to trace the Internet connection to a

808
00:54:57,159 --> 00:55:01,199
male living in Toronto. The investigation revealed that this individual

809
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:05,800
was running an exploitation movie production and distribution company from

810
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:07,639
an address within the city of Toronto.

811
00:55:08,679 --> 00:55:11,679
Speaker 1: The investigation resulted in the rescue of nearly four hundred

812
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:14,280
children and the arrest of three hundred and forty eight

813
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:19,119
adults worldwide. The Toronto based company, run by a man

814
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:24,239
named Brian Way, distributed child exploitation videos through a website

815
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:30,719
called azovfilms dot com. I know you're probably gonna check

816
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:33,079
your browser history when you get home. Make sure your

817
00:55:33,199 --> 00:55:36,719
partner isn't looking at that website and if he is,

818
00:55:37,039 --> 00:55:41,639
maybe down nine one one immediately, especially if your partner

819
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:44,400
is on Reddit a lot. Oh boy, am I going

820
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:47,760
to get a lot of emails. The operation involved extensive

821
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:51,639
cooperation with the US Postal Inspection Service and led to

822
00:55:51,679 --> 00:55:56,480
the seizure of forty five terabytes of illegal material. Those

823
00:55:56,559 --> 00:56:04,400
arrested included teachers, medical professionals, clergy and law enforcement personnel.

824
00:56:05,559 --> 00:56:09,320
Think about that for a second. It's almost like every

825
00:56:09,559 --> 00:56:14,639
group of people assigned to protect children has been infected

826
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:20,239
by pedophilia. Ron Hyde's name was once on that long

827
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:24,039
list of suspects, but at the time authorities lacked enough

828
00:56:24,079 --> 00:56:27,480
evidence to make an arrest. Here's what Hyde had to

829
00:56:27,559 --> 00:56:31,440
say about Azov films when it was brought up during

830
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:32,239
his interrogation.

831
00:56:33,039 --> 00:56:49,920
Speaker 6: So familiar, So you're familiar with asof films is so active?

832
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:55,519
Do you know why it's not active?

833
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:04,400
Speaker 2: Because some of these idiots were considered non pornography?

834
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:08,159
Speaker 6: Okay, really okay?

835
00:57:12,159 --> 00:57:17,519
Speaker 1: Oh is right. During the search of his home, authorities

836
00:57:17,599 --> 00:57:22,519
located six writable discs. On them was a vast collection

837
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:28,760
of child pornography, buried among heaps of trash. Investigators also

838
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:33,320
recovered a digital camera. Apparently, when Hyde wasn't busy looking

839
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:37,679
at children being sexually abused, he was out taking less

840
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:43,159
vulgar photos documenting a life of leisure outside of his

841
00:57:44,079 --> 00:57:47,920
filthy Jacksonville Beach residents. If you can call it that.

842
00:57:49,159 --> 00:57:53,000
The pictures showed him smiling at baseball games, flipping burgers

843
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:57,079
at cookouts, hitting up a racetrack, and so much more.

844
00:57:57,159 --> 00:57:58,960
I mean, he really lived a full life.

845
00:57:59,039 --> 00:57:59,400
Speaker 6: This guy.

846
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:03,679
Speaker 1: It's a bitter, pilled swallow. Knowing that Fred's family was

847
00:58:03,719 --> 00:58:07,599
searching for answers while Hyde was out enjoying the simple

848
00:58:07,639 --> 00:58:12,320
pleasures of life as if nothing ever happened, and while

849
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:17,079
DNA advancements finally brought him to justice, It's impossible not

850
00:58:17,199 --> 00:58:20,559
to question why it took law enforcement so long to

851
00:58:20,719 --> 00:58:24,840
zero in on him. All of the signs were obviously there,

852
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:31,440
a suspicious connection, shifting alibis, and a dark past hiding

853
00:58:31,519 --> 00:58:34,639
in plain sight. So how is this man able to

854
00:58:34,719 --> 00:58:40,159
evade justice for decades? Quite frankly, what the fuck is

855
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:43,880
wrong with us that we didn't see it? While that

856
00:58:44,039 --> 00:58:49,199
question remained unanswered, Hyde was finally charged with first degree murder,

857
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:53,760
to which he entered a plea of not guilty. Following

858
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:57,119
the FBI raid of his Jacksonville Beach property. The home

859
00:58:57,239 --> 00:59:00,840
was condemned, boarded up, and demolished less than a month

860
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:06,760
after his arrest. Roughly five years later, ron Hyde would

861
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:10,480
finally see his day in court along delay.

862
00:59:10,639 --> 00:59:13,679
Speaker 11: Jacksonville trial is underway for a man charged with murdering

863
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:16,519
and dismembering a sixteen year old boy back in nineteen

864
00:59:16,639 --> 00:59:20,159
ninety four. We want to warn you the details are graphic.

865
00:59:20,639 --> 00:59:23,239
Ronnie Hyde was arrested in the death of Fred Lasser

866
00:59:23,559 --> 00:59:26,679
after the teen's body was identified through modern science in

867
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:30,960
twenty sixteen. Prosecutors say there is DNA and other evidence

868
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:33,840
that links Hide to the murder, but the defense contends

869
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:36,400
there is nothing that proves Hyde killed Lasser.

870
00:59:37,639 --> 00:59:40,159
Speaker 1: In late March of twenty twenty two, the long awaited

871
00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:44,800
murder trial of Ron Hyde finally took place, drawing a

872
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:49,000
curtain back on a mystery that had haunted investigators and

873
00:59:49,119 --> 00:59:53,880
Fred Laster's family for decades. The prosecution presented a damning

874
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:58,400
case against Hyde, using new DNA evidence that directly linked

875
00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:02,039
him to the dismembered remains found behind the BP gas

876
01:00:02,079 --> 01:00:06,599
station in Lake City back in nineteen ninety four. The

877
01:00:06,679 --> 01:00:10,519
bloodstained flannel shirt found near the torso contained both Fred's

878
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:15,920
and Hide's DNA. The state's key witness, who described seeing

879
01:00:16,039 --> 01:00:20,000
Hide's dark colored Camaro the morning of the discovery, took

880
01:00:20,079 --> 01:00:24,719
the stand as well. In addition, the state presented entries

881
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:28,760
from a journal found in hides Jacksonville Beach home, written

882
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:32,719
in twenty fourteen. He expressed regret and pens a vague

883
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:36,800
apologies directed at both Travis and Fred Laster.

884
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:43,559
Speaker 12: I feel depressed, lonely. I'm struggling to stay alive. I've

885
01:00:43,599 --> 01:00:47,639
been thinking about people from whom I need forgiveness. David

886
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:53,480
d Jasmine and Ginger for being a bad father, Joey, Christian,

887
01:00:54,079 --> 01:00:58,920
Travis and Fred Fred's name was the only one underlined

888
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:02,760
in Hide's journal entry. Joey and David are the two

889
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:06,119
others who came forward alleging sexual abuse at the hands

890
01:01:06,159 --> 01:01:10,639
of Ron Hyde when they were young boys. According to

891
01:01:10,719 --> 01:01:14,760
court documents, Hyde allegedly carried out acts of sexual abuse

892
01:01:15,039 --> 01:01:20,199
with the aforementioned children while using a video camcorder. These

893
01:01:20,239 --> 01:01:22,719
incidents are believed to have occurred around the same time

894
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:27,840
that Hyde was abusing Fred Laster. Adding to the disturbing

895
01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:31,719
narrative were Hyde's personal Facebook posts made in the years

896
01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:36,679
following Fred's disappearance. On social media, he presented himself as

897
01:01:36,719 --> 01:01:41,280
a staunch advocate for ending child abuse and supporting suicide prevention,

898
01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:47,840
a jarring contradiction, of course, when juxtaposed with the accusations

899
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:51,400
now leveled against them. Fred's sister took the stand and

900
01:01:51,519 --> 01:01:56,559
delivered a powerful testimony recounting her memories of Hyde's Jacksonville

901
01:01:56,559 --> 01:02:00,639
Beach home. She vividly recalled seeing the same type of

902
01:02:00,719 --> 01:02:05,159
knives and non slip bathtub decals found at the crime scene.

903
01:02:06,119 --> 01:02:10,360
The forensic anthropologist testified about the knives as well, where

904
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:14,119
she described the multiple blades used during the dismemberment.

905
01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:20,199
Speaker 8: There were twenty five sharp force trauma in ass with

906
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a total of seventy.

907
01:02:21,519 --> 01:02:22,360
Speaker 2: One cut marks.

908
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:27,280
Speaker 1: Hyde's lawyers argued that any traces of Fred's DNA found

909
01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:30,719
at the crime scene were easily explainable given that Fred

910
01:02:31,039 --> 01:02:34,039
had lived with Hyde for a year before his disappearance.

911
01:02:35,159 --> 01:02:38,159
They attempted to cast doubt on the connection between the

912
01:02:38,239 --> 01:02:42,400
evidence and the murder itself, suggesting that the prosecution's case

913
01:02:42,599 --> 01:02:48,119
was built on circumstantial links rather than direct proof. They

914
01:02:48,199 --> 01:02:51,400
painted Hyde as a family friend who had simply become

915
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:56,840
entangled in the tragic coincidence, not the cold blooded killer

916
01:02:57,480 --> 01:03:01,840
the prosecution claimed. He was the most impactful moment a

917
01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:07,039
trial came during Travis Laster's testimony. He spoke of the

918
01:03:07,159 --> 01:03:12,039
trust his family placed and hide and the deep betrayal

919
01:03:12,199 --> 01:03:16,239
they felt once the truth slowly started to surface.

920
01:03:17,199 --> 01:03:18,920
Speaker 6: We lost the future with our other.

921
01:03:21,079 --> 01:03:23,800
Speaker 4: We lost a brother that we don't need to call

922
01:03:24,079 --> 01:03:27,480
when he kids and asked, hey, did you see the

923
01:03:27,559 --> 01:03:31,679
law days.

924
01:03:30,159 --> 01:03:33,480
Speaker 6: Dictly on Mile. Do you regret about being here for

925
01:03:33,599 --> 01:03:37,920
your brother? It is probably the biggest regret I ever

926
01:03:38,119 --> 01:03:41,280
have in my life. Kay very interest.

927
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:46,760
Speaker 1: In a ballsy move by the defense, Hyde also took

928
01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:50,599
the stand the sixty five year old smirked during the

929
01:03:50,679 --> 01:03:54,079
questioning and recounted one of the many stories he'd told

930
01:03:54,159 --> 01:03:57,760
before regarding the last time he saw Fred alive.

931
01:03:58,760 --> 01:04:03,199
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, about the second bridge. That were actually before

932
01:04:03,320 --> 01:04:10,159
the second bridge concrete.

933
01:04:07,719 --> 01:04:14,760
Speaker 2: Bridge creek Uh he uh. He grabbed a wheeled car

934
01:04:14,920 --> 01:04:19,039
and pulling the side and got out.

935
01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:33,519
Speaker 1: Is that Fred Laster's head and limbs were never found.

936
01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:36,880
The state alleged at the body of water hide mentioned

937
01:04:36,920 --> 01:04:41,000
in his testimony may have been where he discarded the remains.

938
01:04:42,039 --> 01:04:45,639
The creek he described as part of Florida's Inner Coastal Waterway,

939
01:04:46,119 --> 01:04:50,559
which flows into the Atlantic Ocean. Though it's never been proven,

940
01:04:50,639 --> 01:04:53,360
it's possible that some of Fred's body parts may have

941
01:04:53,519 --> 01:04:57,079
ended up in the sea before Hyde drove his torso

942
01:04:57,920 --> 01:05:02,559
to the dumpster a short distance away. During the cross examination,

943
01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:06,880
the defendant continued to proclaim his innocence regarding both the

944
01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:10,840
murder and dismemberment of sixteen year old Fred Laster.

945
01:05:11,639 --> 01:05:14,559
Speaker 6: The friend was over there. We had a very very

946
01:05:14,719 --> 01:05:22,719
short amount of THI the friends murder dismember Germany in place.

947
01:05:24,920 --> 01:05:33,119
Speaker 3: Sure are you responsible? No, I wasn't responsible for the

948
01:05:33,199 --> 01:05:34,679
dead last I never heard of.

949
01:05:34,639 --> 01:05:39,519
Speaker 1: That Following a four day trial, the jury deliberated for

950
01:05:39,599 --> 01:05:44,039
only a few hours before returning with their unanimous verdict.

951
01:05:44,639 --> 01:05:47,599
Speaker 6: Be the Germany five and guilty of first murdered.

952
01:05:57,559 --> 01:06:02,119
Speaker 1: Immediately following his murder conviction, Hide asked to be sentenced

953
01:06:02,599 --> 01:06:07,920
right away. The judge agreed. He was sentenced to life

954
01:06:08,039 --> 01:06:13,000
in prison without the possibility of parole, ending multiple decades

955
01:06:13,079 --> 01:06:19,519
of illusion, deception, and sexual abuse. Hyde's true victim count

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may never be known, and his ability to hide behind

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the guise of a community leader serves as a chilling

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reminder that not only are the worst monsters real, but

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they are oftentimes the ones we least suspect. It's a

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real gut punch to think that someone you trust with

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your children could be there intentionally to harm them. Hyde

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used his status in the church to disguise his disgusting

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sexual interest in children. He flew under law enforcement's radar

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for roughly twenty three years. As far as his let's

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call it media collection, It's possible that he filmed his

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sexual exploits with children and sold these recordings for a profit.

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It's possible and more than likely that that's what his

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involvement was with the child porn sting Project Spade. Following

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his sentencing for the murder of Fred Laster, ron Hyde

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was charged with twenty five additional counts related to child porn.

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One major revelation that came from his separate trial was

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Hyde's purchase of child porn videos from two thousand and

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eight to twenty ten, where he spent a total of

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seven hundred and forty five dollars. In January of twenty

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twenty three, he pleaded guilty to three counts and was

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subsequently provided an additional seven years in prison to run

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concurrently with his life sentence. Members of the various churches

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Ron Hyde was affiliated with have either declined on this

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case or claimed to have no knowledge of sexual abuse

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having ever occurred prior to his arrest. Sure we all

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believe that no reason not to write. Despite authorities digging

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up Hide's backyard in search of other victims, no additional

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human remains wherever found. But let's not breathe a sigh

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of relief just yet. Given his predatory history, it's hard

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not to wonder if Fred Laster was Hide's only victim.

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Usually there's not just one. As for the church he

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called home, there's silence over the years, speaks volumes the

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strength for living Church, with its shady financial dealings and

989
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questionable leadership, wasn't exactly a beacon of transparency. It's unclear

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if they were too busy running their own cons to notice,

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or simply chose to look the other way, as we

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often do when we see something uncomfortable. Secrets, though, have

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a way of festering and becoming infected, eventually killing the host.

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So hopefully you'll apply some antiseptic and clean your wounds.

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You know, and you know, next time the choice is

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between protecting children or your precious institution, maybe then you'll

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pick the right one. For the boomers in the house,

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this style of music is called a vapor way. That's

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reminiscent of the mid eighties, a time that I'm sure

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a lot of our listeners remember because they're all old.

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That's a great way to get listeners calling Mole.

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Speaker 10: What are you doing, Mike.

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Speaker 5: Must Stott story st