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Dogmanencounters dot com Forward Slash Podcast. Tonight's guest wishes to

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remain anonymous. With that in mind, I'm just gonna call

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him Kevin. Kevin, welcome to the show.

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Speaker 3: Thank you. It's good to be here.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's great having you. Kevin. Please give us a

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brief bio in yourself.

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Speaker 1: Born in sixty nine in Oregon, and I was raised

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by a single mother. Had a sister a year and

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a half younger than I was. Growing up in Oregon.

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I was a good student. I played basketball varsity basketball

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one year of college. I enjoyed steel a fishing throughout

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the Cascades, the Oregon coast, along the mount hood so been.

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I'd grown up around the mountains the forest all my life.

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Hiked and camped throughout all those ages. I was sent

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out into the Air Force. Joined the Air Force as

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an officer at twenty two, out of school. Commissioned, sent

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to Dayton, Ohio, and we traveled the world. Went seven

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years in Asia, seven years in Europe, Italy, Germany, Japan,

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South Korea, and after that all finished, we had kids

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in Germany, came to Idaho and that's where my store

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it takes place.

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Speaker 2: Wow, you want to talk about a world traveler. You

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got around.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: We served twenty six years in the Air Force, my

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wife and I also an officer, and fourteen years of

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those were overseas, and we've seen the Pyramids, We've seen Scandinavia,

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all over Europe, went to Berlin, went to Prague, went

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to London, Paris.

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Speaker 3: It's just been a great way to live life. You'd

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be young, be paid, get to travel.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd say it was what a life you two

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have lived. And of course thanks to both of you

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for serving our country. I really appreciate it. We were

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proud to do it. Well, that's awfully impressive. It really is.

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Growing up in Oregon the way you did and spending

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all the time in the woods doing the things that

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you did. What were your thoughts growing up on the

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existence of cryptids like sasquatch?

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Speaker 1: Quite frankly, I never knew about bigfoot in sasque and

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looking back, I wish I would have had knowledge and

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I would have gone to some of the areas that

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now doing you know, Hindsight's twenty twenty, doing research all

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over Oregon and Washington, seeing all the sightings in Mount

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Saint Helen's through the Cascades. I wish, I wish I

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was more inclined to go out and search deeper. But

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I felt like I got some places camping for the

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long weekends into some rough areas not knowing about it.

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But I would have thought I would have seen or

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smelled or or seen something. I have a few camping

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occasions where we had things visit us in the middle

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of the night. First girlfriend, what was that we hear

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footsteps outside the tent, and in Oregon we don't have.

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I never saw a black bear in all my days,

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hundreds of days of fishing and deer, of course, but

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no kryptids whatsoever until I got to Idaho.

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Speaker 2: That's really surprising. Growing up in Oregon the way you did.

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I would have figured that you had to have heard

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about sasquatch. But what's funny is you might not have

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known about them back then, but they sure know about you.

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I mean, when you think about all the time you

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spent in the woods and all the things you did

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out there. I showed her to think about how many

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times they are watching you and you had no idea.

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Speaker 1: No, that's a true statement looking at this encounters. My

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sister owns an airbnb off of a route twenty six

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going up to Mount Hood Government Camp Rhododendrum, and I

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tell her that thirty five minutes from where she goes

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to clean her cabin has been a sighting, and she goes,

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what she didn't know about either, But it really caused

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you to.

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Speaker 3: Sasquatch Bigfoot.

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Speaker 1: I've never had any accounter, but looking into the sightings

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to there's thousands of them every year, just really really

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boggles your mind. And in fact, I've only recently maybe

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the last five or six years now ever since I've

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seen these and looked it up. That was twenty fourteen,

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so that was twelve years ago I found out about

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dogmen and how frequently they are cited as well, but

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less so than bigfoot.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you found about dogmen the hard way, you really did.

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how there's any possible way they couldn't know about sasquatch.

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a lot of people in Washington State, northern California, they

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still have no clue. But we're probably talking about people

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who have been watched by sasquatch countless times, but like

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you just didn't know. That's just how it goes sometimes, and.

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Speaker 3: I think the government has that intention.

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Speaker 1: Ignorance is bliss so because we don't have fear or

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able to go out and see these areas.

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Speaker 3: But as you.

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Speaker 1: Drive down the northwest I five and you think about

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the mountains like Mount Rainier that are unsettled, why not, Well,

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according to the sightings of.

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Speaker 3: UFOs, bigfoot cryptids.

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Speaker 1: I guess I understand why all over our mount Saint

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hell is Mount Rainier, nobody lived there for maybe a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it just might be a good reason there. I

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remember having a conversation with this guy and naysayer who

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said that it was impossible for Sasquatch to be in existence,

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and as an example, I used Oregon and Washington State,

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talking about all the places in those two states where

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people just don't go. And he had the nerve to

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try to tell me that even in Washington State and Oregon,

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people cover all parts of the state, all the time,

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but he was just showing his ignorance by saying that,

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because that's crazy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like totem poles all over Alaska, Washington, Oregon. The

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Indians that were once there build totem poles and I

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look like there's there's a bigfoot on that pole a

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pine and you always think, oh, they're just imaginary creatures,

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but perhaps not all.

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Speaker 2: They knew about them. They definitely did, and that's why

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the totems. Before you had your encounters, would you describe

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yourself as being more in the forward or reserved side

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personality wise.

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Speaker 1: I'm definitely personable and willing to share stories, willing to

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listen to stories, so forward, I would say that describes me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, seems like you that way. If that's the case,

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did your encounters have an effect on.

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Speaker 1: That, I'd say yes because every time I bring up

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the story with friends, they laugh and they go, Okay,

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sure because they were raised in Oregon like I was,

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and uh never had a clue. I mean, the Internet

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has really opened things up what the last twenty twenty

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five five years to seeing others and then be becoming

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parts of groups, which I've not done. But as I

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listed my sighting on the cryptids across the USA.

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Speaker 3: I forgot the name of it.

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Speaker 1: I put it in the website and noticed there was

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never There was not another sighting where I had listed

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of them my two, which is unbelievable. But that's I

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mean around an air force base, for example, where they

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fly fighter jets and cargo jets over the desert, the

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high desert.

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Speaker 3: Not many people living back there other than cities. See.

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Speaker 2: That's one of the funny things about cryptids, like dogmen

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and sasquatch. You find them in all sorts of places

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you would never think they would be. They just seem

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to go where they want to go, and they hang

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out where they want to hang out.

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Speaker 3: Mm hmm.

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All right, Kevin, please tell us about your encounters. Now,

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give us every last detail that comes to mind.

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Speaker 1: It was twenty fourteen somewhere in the in the wintertime,

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the end of the winter, maybe January February. I had

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a weekend off and we just had our two babies,

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so my wife could babysit, and I said, hey, honey,

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I heard about a lake called CJ. Striker Lake just

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five or six miles east of our base. We're at

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Mountain Home Air Force Base, just outside of Mountain Home, Idaho,

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fifty miles east of Boise Bois, I know, and it's

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pretty desolate, high desert with chaparral thirty five hundred feet

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over sea level, nothing but brown during the summer months,

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and then it gets green with rain. But I think

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it rains like kind of like CALIFORNI fifteen inches a

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year or something, so not much wetness out there. So

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I decided to drive. We had four by four Montero

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with brand new tires. So I saw the road. We

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lived right on the base on the base fencing, a

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ten foot high barbed wire fence, and there was a

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road that crossed on the outside of it looked like

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it would go right to this lake that I found

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on GPS. So I went outside the base gate, turned right,

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followed the road. I saw my house exiting I said,

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this will be fun. Nobody around, not a single car,

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and it was the morning. So I drove one mile

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two miles, a lot of potholes, bumps in this eight

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foot one road pathway wasn't paved. It was just all

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dirt through sagebrush. And about three miles, about halfway to

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the lake on the right side where they do farm,

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I saw this black, tall creature maybe five hundred yards away.

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Speaker 3: Really really a way out there, but the ground is

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Speaker 1: And there's like circles where they grow things with the sprinklers,

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you know, they go around in circles. And there was

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this black creature and it looked like he had a

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dog head or a wolf head with a snout, big

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long hair. I didn't have binoculars. It was only the

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naked eye. And it's really strange. So I stopped the car,

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looked out the window and saw him move a very

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little bit. He couldn't see me, but I could see

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this entity, whatever it was. And as you know, there's

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there's not many things out there. There's coyotes. There's those

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Speaker 3: Prong horn.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that may be the prong horn. Yeah, but nothing

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black and nothing seven or eight foot tall. So I

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was just like, I don't know what that is, but

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that was weird. So I kept driving to the lake,

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had a good day of fishing, caught catfish, caught my

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biggest twenty five pound catfish, almost three feet long. Never

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saw another fisherman there, unvisited area, had a great time.

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the course of our we were there for four years,

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stationed there for four years, and this is maybe a

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Speaker 3: So that was pretty crazy.

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Speaker 1: I might notched it down as to something I don't

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remember looking up what it could have been. I didn't

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know about dog men back then, told my wife, so

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let's go six months forward, and this is where the

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big sighting that woke me up to the entire theme

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of dog man or cryptids. I was going to visit

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that same lake, but the other side of it. So

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I had in this case to go outside the base gate.

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Snake River, anyone's familiar with the Snake River. It goes

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quite a ways in through Idaho, and I think it

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turns up into Montana and it's fed by the Rocky mountains.

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Speaker 3: So I went out to the lake.

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Speaker 1: I did some fishing and bass fishing, did pretty well,

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and I was returning home. So I'm driving parallel to

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the Snake River, about twenty five miles from the base

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from Mountain Home Air Force Base if you were to

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sun was going down. And as I was driving home

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on a two lane paved road, the river's on my

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feet high, and I'm driving along on all of us.

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I looked to the right left driving in, and nobody's

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out there on the road, and holy crap, I saw

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three black creatures. And the one I saw six months

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before just popped in my mind. Is that with the

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one I saw, it was like one hundred yards away,

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just five times closer. And I put my brakes and

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it stopped as quietly as I could because I had

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already passed them.

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Speaker 3: I knew.

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Speaker 1: I looked up there and saw three seven to eight

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foot tall, hairy black creature, your solid jet black with

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a dog face, and it looked like you remember the

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old Werewolf movies something like that, and it's just like whoa.

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I backed up slowly in the car and they were gone. Now,

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of course, I thought, being the adventurer that I am,

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all you gotta do is pull over the side, put

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my hatters on and go up there and see. At

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that time, we didn't even have cell phones, because it

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was like fourteen years ago, just coming from Germany where

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we didn't have cell phones. We only had those phone

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cards to call, if you remember the phone cards. So

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I wish I would have had a camera or a

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cell phone to take pictures, but I didn't. And I

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stood there and thought, do I want to take the chance?

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And I did not go up and it always I mean,

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I could have got footprints.

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Speaker 3: I could have.

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Speaker 1: I could have looked around see where the heck they

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would have went. That that's a total of four creatures

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that looked identical to each other. And that's when I

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did a deep dive and the internet was you know,

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it started twenty five years ago, so it's fourteen years ago.

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It was starting to pop up, and I did a

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YouTube search and I found dog Man because that's what

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it looked like, creatures that looked like dogs in the

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high desert, and there had been sightings, and I came

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to realization I just seen something much like Bigfoot, because

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I learned about all the Bigfoot sightings in the Northwest

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earlier than that, and so I had to share it

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with people with talking to my wife said are you

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sure it wasn't just a big dog or no, it

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wasn't a dog, it wasn't a bear on the high

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desert chaparral, and it's kind of if you just jump

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the lake or I saw these coming back. They probably

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were only ten miles apart. The one was on the

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western side of the lake. The other are three or

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on the eastern side of the lake. And there's one

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way to visit the lake with these dirt roads surrounding

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the lake. And those are my two sightings and I'll

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stick to it to the day I die that I

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did see and they all looked identical, like nothing adolescent

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or small. I think they were adults. I don't know

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how tall you've ever seen or heard people see they

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say they were, but.

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Speaker 3: They were bigger than I was. I'm six foot two.

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Speaker 2: Well they are credible eyewitnesses who reported seeing twelve footers,

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so they can get to be a lot bigger than that.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 2: Wow is right, Well a lot of things about them.

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Wow is the best way to describe it or sum

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it up. It really is. Did I hear you correctly?

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Did you really wait that long to tell your wife

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about that first sighting at Striker Lake or did you

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tell her almost right away?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, if anyone wants to go check out to see

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to have an adventure, I beg them to do it,

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or if you've got time.

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Speaker 3: CJ.

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Speaker 1: Striker Reservoir. It's part of the Snake River. They just

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dam it to build the water up for agriculture, water

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and flood control of that kind of stuff. But yeah,

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I know, I've been married thirty three years. So I

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came home and told her about my sightings both times.

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But she's one of these conservative Catholics, doesn't really really

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want to believe or doesn't believe period in this kind

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of stuff. Like percent of the human race, I would say,

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even my buddies in the Northwest when I go up

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to visit Portland, Oregon, we'd have beers and I tell

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them about it, and they'd laugh because none of them

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are adventurous as I am. I used to go out

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with my fourth first View or a Ford Courier in

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my motorcycle and drive the back roads from the top

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of the Cascades to the coast to the BlackBerry River

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off in the haleem Or there's nothing, but you know

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the Tillam Burn. It's a world famous burn in the twenties,

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huge forest, go deep deep in there. Before I knew

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about bigfoot, but I keep thinking I camped there fished.

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That would have been a great place to see a

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bigfoot if there ever was one. But yeah, I never

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expected anything this huge to live out in a high

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desert chaparral area with sagebrush and the lake.

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Speaker 2: Well, you never expect to see these guys until you do.

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That's how normally goes. Your buddies know about your encounters now.

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But when you're in the military, I'm sure you kept

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those experiences close to the vest for obvious reasons, didn't you.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, although you do. You've heard of these

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military members that that after World War two, there was

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UFOs or the Montana Missi layer bases. I mean, this

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is you know David Politis Politis, Oh yeah, yeah, he

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just had a big Foot movie released three months ago maybe,

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and he's thinking that not only are these sightings real,

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but they're connected with aliens and UFOs, which goes goes,

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kind of goes way out there, because if they were

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out there, you hope to hear more than just the

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sounds and the bigfoot casings that they pour plaster in

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or hairs. You think you'd have a body. So where's

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where are the bodies? If these are real sightings? That's

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why science does not actually share with us.

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Speaker 3: They are real creatures.

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Speaker 1: They've sent in blood and they have DNA that's un

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corroborated with any scientific evidence that matches with anything known

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on Earth. But you know, you have sightings on all

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seven continents YETI and you probably could share with the

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listener how many tens and tens of different languages there

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are that equates to Bigfoot? Are there other languages to

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talk about dogmen in other countries as well?

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 2: See that's the thing. When dogmen communicate with eyewitnesses, it's

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via telepathy, so they don't speak the spoken word the

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way people have reported hearing sasquatch do. So when you're hearing,

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in most cases, it's your own voice that you hear.

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Not every time. Some people hear a different voice in

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their head. But in a lot of cases, the eyewitnesses

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hear these words spoken in their heads, in their own voices.

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But yeah, like I said, with sasquatch, in some cases,

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the sasquatch apparently say the words out loud. I'll never

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understand that. But there's been a lot of reputable eyewitnesses

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who reported experiencing man.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, just like that old older he was in his

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forties with a group of hunters north of where the

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Patterson Gimlin film was put in in California, in the Sierras,

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and he has those recordings of those crazy e owls

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and screams and and noises that he attributes to Bigfoot.

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But do dog men make noises? Are they howling like

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the werewolves? Or have you heard of people stating that

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they heard a dog man's make noise all the time?

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Speaker 2: Okay, hmm, did you ever go back there to strike

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a reservoir after seeing that first dog man?

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Speaker 3: The second one?

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Speaker 2: No, the first dog man when you had that first encounter,

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did you ever? I guess we had the second encounter

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close to the same spot, but on the other side

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of the reservoir, So apparently you did go back.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And that summer or the summer after I took

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my whole family, we went camping on the lake at

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a big camp ground with tens of other visitors. Typical

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place a human being would visit a natural lake, or

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along the Snake River.

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Speaker 3: We'd go down.

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Speaker 1: To the dam just to I went river rafting into

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the Hell's Canyon on the Snake West. Actually it's actually

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deeper than Grand Canyon. I did that for a whole week,

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but never saw any creatures on that visit. Just had

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a blast in the river raft and you know, ate

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off the river and fished and that was a really,

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really great time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that sounds like a good time. But since it

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wasn't that long after that first sighting that you were

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camping with your family in that area, could enjoy yourself.

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Speaker 1: I did, because the first one I really never notched

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it as a sighting per se. It's just like something

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I saw and didn't even look it up. Probably a

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lot like a lot of a lot of other people

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that have something they see that's very unusual. But to

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actually see these things twice, that's what really pinned into me.

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Oh my god, this is something that's unrecognized by science,

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and I need to let the world know.

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Speaker 2: That they may indeed be real creatures. Yeah, they definitely are.

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You went from never seeing a dog man in your

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life having two encounters within the span of six months.

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With that in mind, do you think those two encounters

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were related somehow?

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Speaker 1: Yes, and no, because they were seen in about the

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same area, within ten or fifteen miles ab you know,

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and we just have it. It's not part of the

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military base, but it's where all the F sixteens fly over.

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And there's a reason for that because there's nobody domicile

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or residing down there unless it's on the snake off

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the snake. But yeah, it's all high desert. If you

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look on the map, you'll see it's kind of like

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Nevada as there's not many people, not many cities that

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live there.

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Speaker 3: In Idaho. It's the southern eastern portion of Idaho.

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Speaker 2: Sounds like a lot of good area for a dog

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mean to hang out, So no wonder they're there. You

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didn't talk openly about this experience or those two experiences

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that you had. But with that in mind, how fearful

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were you still that the Air Force would find out

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about those encounters.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I hear study or reports of people seeing like what's

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that one with.

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Speaker 3: Will Smith men in black?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like there's helicopters, black SUVs that come out after

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citing after the rangers or people from the fishing game

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have been told about this. And I've heard there's been

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these entities, f CIA, FBI, whatever, they come out and

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try to do their best to take whatever they that

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were reported to be seen out of the environment. I

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don't know if that's true. It's kind of like one

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of those Smithsonian we said it to the Smithsonian, you

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never see it again.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the government definitely doesn't want you to have in

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the evidence. It's so impressive that it might move the

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needle towards proving their existence.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, because there's so much money involved visiting these.

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Speaker 3: Parks, the national parks.

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Speaker 1: And today when you hear about four one one and

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David Politis four movies about the missing in individuals in

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the in the huge Yosemite, Yellowstone mount Rainier, all the

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national parks, we have. It really makes you wonder hundreds

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and hundreds of people that went out camping or hiking

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and never returned.

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Speaker 2: We don't handle crisises very well at all. So if

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the government let it out of the bag, they guess what,

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in a forest near you, there's every possibilitether you might

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have something or some things running around that look like

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we're wolves. I don't think the public's going to handle

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that very well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's that's that's the conclusion I've come up

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with too. There's got to be a reason why, I mean,

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the media is so I don't know why they're so biased.

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It seems like the deep state or something very very

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wealthy is paying these people off not to declare the truth.

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And then of course whatever we hear are conspiracy theories.

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I see Bigfoot is very and dogmen similar to that.

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Speaker 2: Well, when it boils down to it, the media companies,

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they're really indirectly controlled by the government anyway. They're allowing

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the government in so many ways that if they run

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a foul of the government, the brass of those companies

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they know full well that the government can make things

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really difficult on them. So they really are in the

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government's back pocket.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we live in a free country. Right to bear

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arms for good reason when we were all just frontiersmen

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trying to survive, make a buck. But how many tens

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of billions of dollars are spent on these secret entities

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00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,799
to hide the truth. What Jack Nicholas is saying, a

478
00:29:46,799 --> 00:29:50,319
few good men you can't handle the truth. I find

479
00:29:50,319 --> 00:29:51,279
that to be so true.

480
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:55,039
Speaker 2: That sure is true. Yeah, there's a lot of truth

481
00:29:55,079 --> 00:29:59,559
to that. When you saw that first dog, mean, he said,

482
00:29:59,599 --> 00:30:03,119
it was about five hundred yards from you. Now, it

483
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,440
couldn't see you, you said, But did it still seem

484
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:08,160
to already be aware of your presence?

485
00:30:08,359 --> 00:30:08,799
Speaker 3: I e.

486
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 2: Was your manterro loud or had you done anything else

487
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:14,640
that might have tipped off your presence to it?

488
00:30:16,279 --> 00:30:16,519
Speaker 3: Yeah?

489
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 1: No, no, I again, it was so far away, but

490
00:30:19,759 --> 00:30:22,920
I watched him for about two minutes, and I could

491
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,799
have kept watching him, but he didn't seem like he

492
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:31,119
knew I was there eyeballing him. But I will tell

493
00:30:31,119 --> 00:30:35,079
you the second sighting, when I had passed in my montero,

494
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:40,359
maybe going forty five miles an hour, I saw these dogs,

495
00:30:40,359 --> 00:30:43,839
these dog men, they were all looking at me in

496
00:30:43,839 --> 00:30:48,480
my car, so in the second sighting, these three individuals

497
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:52,359
saw me, and you can only five seconds later when

498
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:54,759
I backed up, they were gone.

499
00:30:55,839 --> 00:30:58,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, as close as you were to the three, it's

500
00:30:58,319 --> 00:31:00,359
no wonder they saw yet on.

501
00:31:00,359 --> 00:31:03,559
Speaker 1: Top of them almost And we all know dogs and

502
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:08,160
German shepherds there. They're hearing is amazingly. I don't know

503
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,119
how many times better than human beings are, but their

504
00:31:11,119 --> 00:31:13,640
their senses are peaked.

505
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,799
Speaker 2: Oh definitely. They can probably smell and hear better than

506
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,720
pretty much any dog out there anyway. So yeah, no one.

507
00:31:21,799 --> 00:31:22,359
Speaker 3: Tale about that.

508
00:31:23,119 --> 00:31:29,119
Speaker 1: The fastest prong horn, Yeah, that's how they capture these things.

509
00:31:29,359 --> 00:31:33,440
If that's what they're eating, and coyotes, there's not much

510
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:35,440
out there other than those two species.

511
00:31:36,599 --> 00:31:40,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, prong horns are the fastest land animals in North America.

512
00:31:41,079 --> 00:31:44,119
If they got down prong horns, that's awfully impressive. Which

513
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,920
people have headed down the highway and reported them hitting

514
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:50,799
sixties sixty five talking about dogmen of course, So yeah,

515
00:31:50,799 --> 00:31:52,680
I'm sure they can catch them.

516
00:31:53,039 --> 00:31:53,559
Speaker 3: Is that right?

517
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,759
Speaker 1: You have people saying they thought they were going sixty

518
00:31:56,759 --> 00:31:57,599
five miles an hour.

519
00:31:58,119 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, incredible eyewitnesses. I can't remember the highway out there

520
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,920
in Nevada, but for a while there were truckers who

521
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,279
were talking about how if you had down this one

522
00:32:07,279 --> 00:32:09,880
particular highway. It was kind of a well known secret

523
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:12,160
that if you had down this one highway in the

524
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:15,720
middle of nowhere in Nevada late at night, that quote unquote,

525
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:19,359
we're wolves would commonly run next to your trailer, kind

526
00:32:19,359 --> 00:32:22,359
of race your truck. It was kind of like a

527
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:25,759
poorly kept secret. But yeah, they would be trucking along

528
00:32:25,839 --> 00:32:30,400
at sixty five, maybe even a little faster than sixty five,

529
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,440
and they were seeing that the quote unquote were wolves.

530
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:34,759
That is we're keeping up.

531
00:32:36,279 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, that reminds me, and I haven't brought this up

532
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,039
for very many people. I was driving when we were

533
00:32:42,079 --> 00:32:46,240
get restationed to San Diego from Mountain Home. We'd put

534
00:32:46,279 --> 00:32:49,200
all of our home goods on a truck, but we

535
00:32:49,279 --> 00:32:52,279
had to get the four of us the eleven or

536
00:32:52,319 --> 00:32:56,279
miles to our Southern California duty station. Driving at like

537
00:32:56,400 --> 00:33:02,240
three o'clock in the morning, north south north of Vegas,

538
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:07,759
and I saw three eyeballs, three sets of eyeballs, off

539
00:33:07,839 --> 00:33:11,759
the off the freeway. They were like four feet tall.

540
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:16,119
Tell me anything that lives that's got eyeballs four.

541
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 3: Feet tall off the ground.

542
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:21,119
Speaker 1: You know that your headlight hits when you got on

543
00:33:21,119 --> 00:33:22,920
the high beams no one else is on the road.

544
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's pretty high, unless they were cattle or something

545
00:33:27,799 --> 00:33:30,119
like that. Could you tell if the eyeballs were right

546
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,759
on the front of their heads, of the creature's heads,

547
00:33:32,839 --> 00:33:35,160
or if they were on the sides in.

548
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:37,799
Speaker 3: Middle of nowhere. I never saw a body.

549
00:33:37,799 --> 00:33:40,799
Speaker 1: I just saw these three eyeballs and I woke up

550
00:33:40,839 --> 00:33:44,000
my wife, Honey, did you know I was sleeping? That's

551
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,880
not much evidence was that I saw them and kept driving.

552
00:33:47,559 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 3: So I'll bet that woke you up. Yeah. I had

553
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:54,480
a lot of coffee that night.

554
00:33:54,599 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 2: I get this A to B, but didn't wake up

555
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,720
like that. Did I'm sure it might seem like a

556
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:05,240
strange question, Kevin, but were you glad in a way

557
00:34:05,279 --> 00:34:07,359
that you saw that first dog me in because a

558
00:34:07,359 --> 00:34:08,519
lot of people wouldn't have been.

559
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:15,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, he didn't seem ready to pounce on me. He

560
00:34:15,119 --> 00:34:17,199
didn't go away from what he was doing. Maybe it was.

561
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:22,079
Speaker 1: It was early morning, Amy, he was just doing his thing.

562
00:34:23,119 --> 00:34:25,320
I've been looking for prairie dogs or whatever else is

563
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:30,320
out there. But it was definitely an eye opener, and

564
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:32,760
I'm so glad I saw the first one because it

565
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:36,920
woke me up to what I just had seen late

566
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:38,880
that summer, that very same year.

567
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 3: The second time.

568
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 2: Around, if you have to have a dog mean encounter,

569
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,480
it's always best to have it at a good distance.

570
00:34:46,119 --> 00:34:49,320
With that in mind, considering how much closer you were

571
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,360
when you had that second encounter, Are you glad that

572
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,119
your first one happened at such a good distance to

573
00:34:55,199 --> 00:34:57,320
kind of warm you up for the second one in

574
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:57,679
a way?

575
00:34:58,559 --> 00:35:02,360
Speaker 3: Indeed, I sure am, But hindsight is twenty twenty. I

576
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:03,440
wish I would have had the.

577
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,760
Speaker 1: Guts just to pull, you know, do it, as I

578
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:10,119
said before, just to go go check it out, look

579
00:35:10,159 --> 00:35:10,960
for footprints.

580
00:35:11,199 --> 00:35:12,079
Speaker 3: It was just right up.

581
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:15,280
Speaker 1: There on top of the bank, just off the bank

582
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,639
about I mean fifty foot haul and one hundred yards back,

583
00:35:18,679 --> 00:35:23,039
so three hundred feet. But this is so obvious, no one,

584
00:35:23,119 --> 00:35:25,840
no one could.

585
00:35:25,039 --> 00:35:26,079
Speaker 3: Say it was anything else.

586
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:30,079
Speaker 1: What else is seven feet tall and dark black, long

587
00:35:30,159 --> 00:35:35,920
fur with a dog's face a big five inch long muzzle.

588
00:35:37,039 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 2: For clarity, you're saying that you wish you would have

589
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:42,000
had the courage to go back, or the wherewith fall

590
00:35:42,119 --> 00:35:46,039
to go back with maybe ten in one Abrams with

591
00:35:46,079 --> 00:35:49,320
you and a whole squadron to go up onto that

592
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:51,480
bank and look for footprints. Or are you saying that

593
00:35:51,559 --> 00:35:53,440
you wish you would have just stopped the car right

594
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:56,679
there and then after they left, gone up there to

595
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:57,360
take a look.

596
00:35:58,039 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 3: Both.

597
00:35:58,559 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 1: I wish I got it, would have done it right

598
00:36:00,119 --> 00:36:01,679
then and there and they can maybe come back with

599
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:03,679
a couple of friends that that following weekend.

600
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 3: Wow.

601
00:36:06,039 --> 00:36:08,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, just imagine if you would have gotten out right

602
00:36:08,159 --> 00:36:10,719
then and there, headed up there and they came back.

603
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 1: That's what I Yeah, it's just such an out of

604
00:36:16,039 --> 00:36:22,039
this world witness experience. I just something in me. It's

605
00:36:22,119 --> 00:36:23,840
just that this is not a good time. It's almost

606
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:27,679
getting dark, and anyone else to say, are you crazy?

607
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,400
So that's one of the many, many reasons why I think.

608
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:34,639
You know, hunters go out, they've been doing it for

609
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:38,320
decades and then one time it happens they say, I

610
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:44,280
never returned to that hunting spot and fishing or whatever

611
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:46,599
whatever it might be, to get out in their land.

612
00:36:46,639 --> 00:36:52,000
That is their land. They were here first. So but

613
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:54,760
have you have you if I may ask, in the

614
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:58,719
in the decade or so, you've been doing these sightings

615
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:03,679
and witnesses and interviews. Has anyone ever been hurt when

616
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:06,639
they go out and did someone say they chased them?

617
00:37:07,679 --> 00:37:10,039
Speaker 2: Well, I get asked that all the time, and the

618
00:37:10,119 --> 00:37:13,679
answer to that question is, I've spoken with over five

619
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,760
thousand dogmen eyewitnesses now since I spoke with the verse

620
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,480
one in two thousand and seven, and I can tell

621
00:37:19,519 --> 00:37:22,599
you the grand total of credible eyewitnesses who've ever told

622
00:37:22,639 --> 00:37:26,000
me over the years about being intentionally harmed by the

623
00:37:26,079 --> 00:37:29,400
dog men or dog men as sometimes happens, that they

624
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:32,639
had an encounter or encounters with the grand total of

625
00:37:32,639 --> 00:37:35,360
people who told me that they were intentionally harmed who

626
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:39,800
are credible, that number is seven, eight, maybe nine. So

627
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:42,760
what does that tell us right there? It tells us

628
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:46,519
that they show a lot of control. They really do

629
00:37:46,559 --> 00:37:49,039
show a lot of control because so many of those

630
00:37:49,079 --> 00:37:51,920
people were caught dead, nuts to rights and a very

631
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:56,039
compromising circumstance where those dogmen, if they wanted to do

632
00:37:56,119 --> 00:37:59,280
whatever to them, could have easily done so, but they

633
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,159
let them leave. Now, when I say that, I always

634
00:38:02,199 --> 00:38:04,199
have people get up in arms and say, well, VIC

635
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:06,880
says these things are safe. You can bring them home

636
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:09,760
as pets and have them laying there at your feet

637
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,639
when you're watching TV. No, not at all. Never say

638
00:38:12,639 --> 00:38:15,360
that dog men are any safer to be around than

639
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:19,400
anything else that is big and powerful and has sharp

640
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,199
claws and big teeth. But I will tell you that

641
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:26,480
they show a lot of control whenever, will almost whenever

642
00:38:26,599 --> 00:38:29,920
people have encounters with them, because if they didn't, then

643
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:33,920
those numbers would be totally different. I use this example

644
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:36,880
all the time. If you go down to Texas where

645
00:38:37,079 --> 00:38:39,199
fire ants are all over the place, if you put

646
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:43,360
your hand on one hundred different fire ant mounds, how

647
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,400
many times out of one hundred are you going to

648
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:48,719
get lit up? Well? The answer to that question is easy,

649
00:38:49,079 --> 00:38:51,840
one hundred out of one hundred, because firey ants are

650
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:56,360
wired to be very aggressive and dangerous by nature, so

651
00:38:56,559 --> 00:38:59,559
it's a repeatable result. Every time that you put your

652
00:38:59,599 --> 00:39:02,320
hand on a fire ant mound, you're going to get

653
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,639
lit up. Well. If dog men were wired to be

654
00:39:06,519 --> 00:39:09,639
so dangerous to us and wired to rip us apart

655
00:39:09,639 --> 00:39:13,440
as soon as the opportunity presented itself, then every time

656
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:17,599
or almost every time that people encountered them, especially in

657
00:39:17,639 --> 00:39:21,880
a compromising circumstance, then these people would have been attacked,

658
00:39:22,159 --> 00:39:25,239
not allowed to leave. In so many cases. If I

659
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:28,639
would have only spoken with twenty people who fit that example,

660
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:31,199
that'd be one thing. The sample size there is not

661
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:33,599
nearly big enough to come to the conclusion I have

662
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:37,280
over the years, but I've spoken with thousands of people

663
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:41,599
who've been in that circumstance where they were just dead

664
00:39:41,639 --> 00:39:45,920
to rights, vulnerable. The dog man could have done whatever

665
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:48,719
it wanted to do and like I said, and let

666
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:52,519
them go. So there's definitely a pattern there that's been

667
00:39:52,639 --> 00:39:55,880
established that tells me these guys, like I said, are

668
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,679
not wired by nature to rip us apart as soon

669
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:05,000
as the opportunity presents itself. Now, having said that, yeah,

670
00:40:05,079 --> 00:40:07,800
I do believe they're a dangerous dogmen out there, and

671
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:11,159
I've said this countless times before. I do think they're

672
00:40:11,199 --> 00:40:13,960
a dangerous dogmen out there who will kill people if

673
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:17,719
they get the opportunity. They're probably looking for an opportunity

674
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:22,039
to do that because they're deviant ones. They're not what

675
00:40:22,079 --> 00:40:27,920
would be considered the norm psychologically for dog men. Even so, yeah,

676
00:40:28,119 --> 00:40:31,039
I do believe they're a dangerous dog men. But to

677
00:40:31,119 --> 00:40:34,480
land this plane, I think we're talking about an exception

678
00:40:34,639 --> 00:40:37,239
there instead of the norm. Does that make sense?

679
00:40:38,199 --> 00:40:38,559
Speaker 3: It does?

680
00:40:38,639 --> 00:40:42,599
Speaker 1: And We see this with the grizzly bear all over Alaska.

681
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:46,000
They will come out and attack you because they see

682
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:51,400
you as prey, not the black bear, the cougar. They're

683
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:54,440
kind of like the Sasquatch and dogmen. They're programmed not

684
00:40:54,559 --> 00:40:59,239
to even entertain the idea unless they're hungry. And we've

685
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:04,280
seen hikers and hikers get attacked in California, some killed,

686
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:05,360
most of them just injured.

687
00:41:06,199 --> 00:41:09,519
Speaker 2: Yes, it's definitely something worth keeping in mind. It really is.

688
00:41:10,159 --> 00:41:10,360
Speaker 3: Now.

689
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:12,119
Speaker 2: You told us that you wish she had a camera

690
00:41:12,199 --> 00:41:15,760
with you when you had that second encounter, But do

691
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:17,960
you think you would have remembered or had the presence

692
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,199
of mind to even pull it out and use it

693
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:21,519
if you would have had one.

694
00:41:23,599 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 1: I asked to myself that a thousand times, and you

695
00:41:29,559 --> 00:41:31,960
hear tons and tons of people say I had it

696
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,880
in my car. I just didn't grab it. Something kept

697
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,519
me from doing what I should have what I should

698
00:41:37,519 --> 00:41:43,639
have done. And yeah, it's interesting now a third time,

699
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:45,960
I would most definitely take a picture.

700
00:41:46,159 --> 00:41:48,360
Speaker 3: But how many people have seen these times? These things

701
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:49,320
three times in a row.

702
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,840
Speaker 2: People have had cameras hanging from their necks when they've

703
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:56,119
encountered these things. And that's kind of an ugly thing too,

704
00:41:56,159 --> 00:41:58,639
because you want to talk about people who beat themselves up.

705
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:03,039
I mean, they're totally to themselves, just so disgusted they

706
00:42:03,039 --> 00:42:04,519
didn't think to pull the camera up.

707
00:42:04,559 --> 00:42:05,559
Speaker 3: But I mean I.

708
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,199
Speaker 2: Heard a perfect example about a year or so ago.

709
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:11,159
This guy was listening to a podcast, and like he said,

710
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:14,159
if you have a camera hanging from your neck and

711
00:42:14,199 --> 00:42:16,679
someone puts you on a cage with a lion, how

712
00:42:16,679 --> 00:42:18,440
many pictures do you think you're going to get?

713
00:42:18,599 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 3: It's the same thing. That's a good analogy. It's almost PTSD. Yeah,

714
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:27,920
being in the military, I learned all about that.

715
00:42:28,119 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 1: And here hearing from World War Two, Korea, Vietnam vets.

716
00:42:35,039 --> 00:42:38,360
They saw something that was not known to man as

717
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:45,480
being even around, but they witnessed death, an injury, and

718
00:42:45,639 --> 00:42:49,679
horrific acts and they can't sleep at night. So that

719
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:53,159
hasn't impacted me in that way. It's more of a wow.

720
00:42:53,199 --> 00:42:56,239
I saw that. I would love to be able to

721
00:42:56,280 --> 00:43:01,159
see it again, but in California, i'd have to go

722
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:04,280
up to the severe Sierra Nevadas. I'm busy raising my

723
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:08,800
two kids, but maybe when I hit sixty two and

724
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:12,119
the kids are in college, I can go out and

725
00:43:12,679 --> 00:43:13,320
go camping.

726
00:43:14,599 --> 00:43:15,639
Speaker 2: I sure hope you can.

727
00:43:16,639 --> 00:43:22,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, just four or five hours north. Mount Whitney's right there,

728
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:26,840
three ninety five, all of the Sierra Nevada.

729
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:29,760
Speaker 2: You've got so much life ahead of you. Really would

730
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:31,480
be a shame if you didn't have a chance to

731
00:43:31,519 --> 00:43:34,480
go out and enjoy things like that. It really would

732
00:43:35,159 --> 00:43:36,440
try to get a picture right.

733
00:43:36,639 --> 00:43:39,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, So that's my two stories.

734
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:44,400
Speaker 2: You don't suffer from PTSD after having those two encounters,

735
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:46,800
But how often do you still think about them?

736
00:43:49,519 --> 00:43:50,519
Speaker 3: Almost every day?

737
00:43:50,639 --> 00:43:53,280
Speaker 1: I you know, if I just retired four years ago,

738
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:54,679
so I have a little more time on my hands

739
00:43:54,679 --> 00:43:57,960
besides chauffeuring my kids to and from school and practice.

740
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:04,320
They're in water polo and swim. I see YouTube videos

741
00:44:04,519 --> 00:44:08,400
on a daily basis and dogmen, So I'm reminded of

742
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:12,440
this on a daily basis. Now with AI today, it's

743
00:44:12,519 --> 00:44:14,800
much more difficult when you when you see a thirty

744
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:16,440
second short.

745
00:44:17,119 --> 00:44:18,320
Speaker 3: Just saw one two days ago.

746
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:22,199
Speaker 1: They looked like some guy was on top of a

747
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:25,320
mountain looking at an elk, like a twelve point elk,

748
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:33,880
and he said he witnessed a bigfoot attack the elk. Wow,

749
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,719
I mean it looked like the real thing. But how

750
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:38,000
do we know if it's AI or not.

751
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:41,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, AI is such a problem when it comes to

752
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:44,920
proving of the existence of cryptids. Now you really can't

753
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:46,840
tell for sure what you're looking at.

754
00:44:47,119 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 3: No, you don't, you can't.

755
00:44:50,159 --> 00:44:55,599
Speaker 1: So and then the whole thing with Patterson's son coming

756
00:44:55,639 --> 00:44:59,360
out and said he saw his dad burned a Bigfoot suit,

757
00:44:59,559 --> 00:45:03,280
and then and he told them not to ever tell him,

758
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:06,880
and then he twelve with his mom, Patterson's wife. Patterson

759
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:11,000
died shortly after the sighting, but his wife's shared with

760
00:45:11,039 --> 00:45:13,639
his son, I was told by your father never to

761
00:45:13,679 --> 00:45:16,840
tell that I made all this up. And because they

762
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:19,320
made like ten million dollars off the sightings and everything

763
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:21,840
they had to do with Bigfoot showing the film again,

764
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:27,079
So are you familiar with that sixty seven film that

765
00:45:27,119 --> 00:45:27,519
came out.

766
00:45:28,079 --> 00:45:30,599
Speaker 2: I sure I am. And yeah, that whole story about

767
00:45:30,639 --> 00:45:34,519
burning the suit is nonsense. Who made the suit? That's

768
00:45:34,559 --> 00:45:37,519
a common argument about it being a hoax. But I

769
00:45:37,559 --> 00:45:40,400
spoke with a man who was the most capable man

770
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:43,679
back then in sixty seven when it came to making

771
00:45:43,679 --> 00:45:46,440
a suit just like that. I asked him, point blank,

772
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:49,360
could you have made a suit like that? He said,

773
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:51,800
in no uncertain terms, There's no way I could have

774
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:54,239
made that. We just did not have the technology. So,

775
00:45:54,679 --> 00:45:57,320
as far as I'm concerned, that claim that he made

776
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:00,559
about the suits and seeing it burnt nonsense, And don't

777
00:46:00,599 --> 00:46:01,159
buy it for a.

778
00:46:01,199 --> 00:46:08,679
Speaker 1: Second, good because how could one person totally denounce all

779
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:11,840
of what we've all been seeing for decades after that film?

780
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:13,360
Speaker 3: Exactly?

781
00:46:13,599 --> 00:46:18,159
Speaker 2: Well, it's a cryptid field. You have things like that now.

782
00:46:18,159 --> 00:46:20,800
When you had your second encounter, you saw three of them,

783
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:23,280
of course, But did any of the three seem to

784
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:23,960
be an alpha?

785
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 3: They were all exactly the same heights.

786
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 2: You said, they were all three the same height, But

787
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:34,639
did one seem to act more dominant than the other two?

788
00:46:35,679 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 3: No.

789
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 1: I remember them up on the shelf above my car,

790
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:44,280
all like standing in a triangle and looking at me,

791
00:46:46,079 --> 00:46:49,239
probably just three feet apart from one another, like you

792
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:49,559
were in a.

793
00:46:49,599 --> 00:46:52,760
Speaker 2: Huddle, hopefully not in a huddle trying to decide what

794
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:53,480
to do to you.

795
00:46:55,079 --> 00:46:59,639
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I think they just heard the car and

796
00:46:59,679 --> 00:47:02,920
then heard my brakes and said let's get the heck

797
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:05,800
out of here, And that's why they were not there

798
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:10,760
any longer when I tried to see him again. But yeah,

799
00:47:11,679 --> 00:47:16,199
we caught. It was eye to eye witnessing. They saw me,

800
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:16,920
I saw them.

801
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:18,639
Speaker 3: Sure.

802
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 2: I can only imagine the thoughts going through your head.

803
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:23,320
Speaker 3: I want to go back there.

804
00:47:24,679 --> 00:47:28,280
Speaker 2: Oh man, Well someday you just might. I hope you can,

805
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:32,159
if that's what you want to do. I really do. Now,

806
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:36,079
I'm pretty sure the answer to this next question is yes.

807
00:47:36,159 --> 00:47:38,880
But then again, you know what happens when you assume

808
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:42,639
before you found out what they really were, ie dog men,

809
00:47:43,079 --> 00:47:46,360
did you think that you had seen were wolves?

810
00:47:47,199 --> 00:47:50,079
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, that's what they look like. You go back

811
00:47:50,119 --> 00:47:53,599
and watch those werewolf movies shot thirty forty years ago.

812
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 3: That's what they look like, solid jet.

813
00:47:57,159 --> 00:48:03,760
Speaker 1: Black, dark black, long, long hair, maybe twelve inches long.

814
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:08,360
I mean, during the summertime, how can they even It

815
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:11,400
gets hot out there in the desert, really hot.

816
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:14,880
Speaker 2: Some people think that that long hair connect as insulation

817
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:15,800
against the heat.

818
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:20,800
Speaker 3: Okay, but the color black only absorbs heat.

819
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:24,719
Speaker 2: That's true. That's a good point. There's so many things

820
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:27,559
about these things that we just don't understand, and I'd

821
00:48:27,599 --> 00:48:28,519
say never will.

822
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 3: Yeah.

823
00:48:30,159 --> 00:48:32,559
Speaker 2: By the way, how big is Mountain Home Air Force Base?

824
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:34,360
I meant to ask you that earlier.

825
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:38,639
Speaker 3: Oh, it's not that big.

826
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 1: Maybe a couple thousand individuals with pilots, navigators, support staff.

827
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:51,880
There's a medical clinic there and all the surrounding buildings

828
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:57,480
to house individuals that work there on base. It supports

829
00:48:57,559 --> 00:49:02,960
fighter jets and cargo jets, and Singapore has been allowed

830
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:05,280
to stay there and train with the F sixteen FA

831
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:06,559
teen pilots.

832
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:08,800
Speaker 3: I think they have a couple of thirty five's there too.

833
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:11,519
Speaker 2: Well, it might not be a very big base, but

834
00:49:12,079 --> 00:49:13,760
if they have all that going on there, it must

835
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:16,920
be a fairly major basin.

836
00:49:17,079 --> 00:49:17,280
Speaker 3: Yeah.

837
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 1: Like I said, it's just all for training the pilots

838
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:23,599
to get good at what they do, or like.

839
00:49:23,599 --> 00:49:27,679
Speaker 3: The war going on right now and the Blue Angels.

840
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:32,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, it must be a fairly major base. Then you

841
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:35,360
didn't know about dog mean before you had your encounters.

842
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:38,280
But how much do you think that helped or hurt

843
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:41,599
your ability to come to terms with those experiences?

844
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 1: I wish I would have known more, but having seen them,

845
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:49,119
I don't think it would affect well, the first one.

846
00:49:49,159 --> 00:49:52,199
Maybe I WoT I would have got closer, you know,

847
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:53,400
had I known about them.

848
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:54,800
Speaker 3: Oh there's a dog man.

849
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:57,400
Speaker 1: Wow, let's pull up see if I can get a

850
00:49:57,599 --> 00:50:03,360
closer view of them. But you know, what would I

851
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:06,199
have done had I got closed there? Would he have run?

852
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:09,199
Would he have run to me? I mean, we're not

853
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:13,159
on a safari here, and no one's ever I don't know.

854
00:50:13,199 --> 00:50:15,360
Speaker 3: I mean, well, what can you tell me? What are

855
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:17,599
usually people? Do? They try to chase after him?

856
00:50:18,599 --> 00:50:20,639
Speaker 2: No, I don't think I've ever spoken with anyone who's

857
00:50:20,679 --> 00:50:24,320
ever told me about running after them. Normally is either

858
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:26,599
a case of them being frozen in place or them

859
00:50:26,599 --> 00:50:29,719
trying to get the heck out of the area. But yeah,

860
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:32,239
running after one, I don't think that's a good move

861
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:32,599
at all.

862
00:50:34,079 --> 00:50:35,079
Speaker 3: I think you're right.

863
00:50:35,119 --> 00:50:38,639
Speaker 1: I think because the first one didn't see me or

864
00:50:38,679 --> 00:50:40,800
didn't look at me. He just wanted to allow on

865
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:43,679
his business, didn't move anywhere, he stayed right where he was.

866
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:46,599
I looked at my rear view mirror as I passed

867
00:50:46,639 --> 00:50:50,840
by him. You seemingly was the same place. So hmm,

868
00:50:51,519 --> 00:50:55,880
I said, I got you know two, Like you said,

869
00:50:55,880 --> 00:51:00,559
they either sit and get really uh still, or they

870
00:51:00,679 --> 00:51:03,559
get the heck heck out of dodge and leave quickly.

871
00:51:04,599 --> 00:51:08,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how it normally goes. What's about time for

872
00:51:08,199 --> 00:51:10,440
us to get out of here, Kevin. But before we do,

873
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:11,920
do you have any clothes in comments you want to

874
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:13,400
put out there for us.

875
00:51:14,679 --> 00:51:16,639
Speaker 1: I just want to thank you for your time today,

876
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:22,559
and I appreciate your good questions and your acknowledgment of

877
00:51:22,639 --> 00:51:27,719
this being the scripted being being alive and well out there,

878
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:32,239
and sharing with me why the government may indeed want

879
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:35,679
to hide it keep it hidden. I can certainly see

880
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:43,280
the reasons. But if you consider the population of America

881
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:46,480
three un and fifty million people, and you've been interviewed

882
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:49,519
five thousands, probably several other people that do your job,

883
00:51:50,079 --> 00:51:55,480
that's a very very small question of the actual witnesses.

884
00:51:56,280 --> 00:52:00,360
Speaker 3: So I'll bring this to my grave and we'll get

885
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:03,079
to see two of them at two different times.

886
00:52:03,679 --> 00:52:08,639
Speaker 2: That's wild, well more than what you would think. Yeah, yeah,

887
00:52:08,639 --> 00:52:10,360
it seems like there's a pattern. Once you have a

888
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:12,480
dog men the counter, it does increase the odds of

889
00:52:13,039 --> 00:52:15,400
you having another one. That's not always a case, not

890
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:18,400
by a long shot, but it does seem to kind

891
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:21,320
of pull the veil back a little bit. But we

892
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:24,400
can make a whole nother show about that. Having said

893
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:27,079
all that, though, Kevin, thanks again so much for coming

894
00:52:27,159 --> 00:52:30,039
on to tell us about those experiences. And please remember

895
00:52:30,079 --> 00:52:31,599
if I can never help you out in the future.

896
00:52:32,039 --> 00:52:34,039
Just let me know and I'll be there for you.

897
00:52:35,039 --> 00:52:38,119
Speaker 3: I appreciate that, Vic, you have a good one. You too.

898
00:52:38,480 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 2: We'll see