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him Kevin. Kevin, welcome to the show.
Speaker 3: Thank you. It's good to be here.
Speaker 2: Well, it's great having you. Kevin. Please give us a
brief bio in yourself.
Speaker 1: Born in sixty nine in Oregon, and I was raised
by a single mother. Had a sister a year and
a half younger than I was. Growing up in Oregon.
I was a good student. I played basketball varsity basketball
one year of college. I enjoyed steel a fishing throughout
the Cascades, the Oregon coast, along the mount hood so been.
I'd grown up around the mountains the forest all my life.
Hiked and camped throughout all those ages. I was sent
out into the Air Force. Joined the Air Force as
an officer at twenty two, out of school. Commissioned, sent
to Dayton, Ohio, and we traveled the world. Went seven
years in Asia, seven years in Europe, Italy, Germany, Japan,
South Korea, and after that all finished, we had kids
in Germany, came to Idaho and that's where my store
it takes place.
Speaker 2: Wow, you want to talk about a world traveler. You
got around.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: We served twenty six years in the Air Force, my
wife and I also an officer, and fourteen years of
those were overseas, and we've seen the Pyramids, We've seen Scandinavia,
all over Europe, went to Berlin, went to Prague, went
to London, Paris.
Speaker 3: It's just been a great way to live life. You'd
be young, be paid, get to travel.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd say it was what a life you two
have lived. And of course thanks to both of you
for serving our country. I really appreciate it. We were
proud to do it. Well, that's awfully impressive. It really is.
Growing up in Oregon the way you did and spending
all the time in the woods doing the things that
you did. What were your thoughts growing up on the
existence of cryptids like sasquatch?
Speaker 1: Quite frankly, I never knew about bigfoot in sasque and
looking back, I wish I would have had knowledge and
I would have gone to some of the areas that
now doing you know, Hindsight's twenty twenty, doing research all
over Oregon and Washington, seeing all the sightings in Mount
Saint Helen's through the Cascades. I wish, I wish I
was more inclined to go out and search deeper. But
I felt like I got some places camping for the
long weekends into some rough areas not knowing about it.
But I would have thought I would have seen or
smelled or or seen something. I have a few camping
occasions where we had things visit us in the middle
of the night. First girlfriend, what was that we hear
footsteps outside the tent, and in Oregon we don't have.
I never saw a black bear in all my days,
hundreds of days of fishing and deer, of course, but
no kryptids whatsoever until I got to Idaho.
Speaker 2: That's really surprising. Growing up in Oregon the way you did.
I would have figured that you had to have heard
about sasquatch. But what's funny is you might not have
known about them back then, but they sure know about you.
I mean, when you think about all the time you
spent in the woods and all the things you did
out there. I showed her to think about how many
times they are watching you and you had no idea.
Speaker 1: No, that's a true statement looking at this encounters. My
sister owns an airbnb off of a route twenty six
going up to Mount Hood Government Camp Rhododendrum, and I
tell her that thirty five minutes from where she goes
to clean her cabin has been a sighting, and she goes,
what she didn't know about either, But it really caused
you to.
Speaker 3: Sasquatch Bigfoot.
Speaker 1: I've never had any accounter, but looking into the sightings
to there's thousands of them every year, just really really
boggles your mind. And in fact, I've only recently maybe
the last five or six years now ever since I've
seen these and looked it up. That was twenty fourteen,
so that was twelve years ago I found out about
dogmen and how frequently they are cited as well, but
less so than bigfoot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you found about dogmen the hard way, you really did.
And it does boggle the mind to think that people
who live right there in a hotspot like that like Oregon,
how there's any possible way they couldn't know about sasquatch.
But it happens there are a lot of people in Oregon,
a lot of people in Washington State, northern California, they
still have no clue. But we're probably talking about people
who have been watched by sasquatch countless times, but like
you just didn't know. That's just how it goes sometimes, and.
Speaker 3: I think the government has that intention.
Speaker 1: Ignorance is bliss so because we don't have fear or
able to go out and see these areas.
Speaker 3: But as you.
Speaker 1: Drive down the northwest I five and you think about
the mountains like Mount Rainier that are unsettled, why not, Well,
according to the sightings of.
Speaker 3: UFOs, bigfoot cryptids.
Speaker 1: I guess I understand why all over our mount Saint
hell is Mount Rainier, nobody lived there for maybe a
good reason.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it just might be a good reason there. I
remember having a conversation with this guy and naysayer who
said that it was impossible for Sasquatch to be in existence,
and as an example, I used Oregon and Washington State,
talking about all the places in those two states where
people just don't go. And he had the nerve to
try to tell me that even in Washington State and Oregon,
people cover all parts of the state, all the time,
but he was just showing his ignorance by saying that,
because that's crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like totem poles all over Alaska, Washington, Oregon. The
Indians that were once there build totem poles and I
look like there's there's a bigfoot on that pole a
pine and you always think, oh, they're just imaginary creatures,
but perhaps not all.
Speaker 2: They knew about them. They definitely did, and that's why
the totems. Before you had your encounters, would you describe
yourself as being more in the forward or reserved side
personality wise.
Speaker 1: I'm definitely personable and willing to share stories, willing to
listen to stories, so forward, I would say that describes me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, seems like you that way. If that's the case,
did your encounters have an effect on.
Speaker 1: That, I'd say yes because every time I bring up
the story with friends, they laugh and they go, Okay,
sure because they were raised in Oregon like I was,
and uh never had a clue. I mean, the Internet
has really opened things up what the last twenty twenty
five five years to seeing others and then be becoming
parts of groups, which I've not done. But as I
listed my sighting on the cryptids across the USA.
Speaker 3: I forgot the name of it.
Speaker 1: I put it in the website and noticed there was
never There was not another sighting where I had listed
of them my two, which is unbelievable. But that's I
mean around an air force base, for example, where they
fly fighter jets and cargo jets over the desert, the
high desert.
Speaker 3: Not many people living back there other than cities. See.
Speaker 2: That's one of the funny things about cryptids, like dogmen
and sasquatch. You find them in all sorts of places
you would never think they would be. They just seem
to go where they want to go, and they hang
out where they want to hang out.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
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All right, Kevin, please tell us about your encounters. Now,
give us every last detail that comes to mind.
Speaker 1: It was twenty fourteen somewhere in the in the wintertime,
the end of the winter, maybe January February. I had
a weekend off and we just had our two babies,
so my wife could babysit, and I said, hey, honey,
I heard about a lake called CJ. Striker Lake just
five or six miles east of our base. We're at
Mountain Home Air Force Base, just outside of Mountain Home, Idaho,
fifty miles east of Boise Bois, I know, and it's
pretty desolate, high desert with chaparral thirty five hundred feet
over sea level, nothing but brown during the summer months,
and then it gets green with rain. But I think
it rains like kind of like CALIFORNI fifteen inches a
year or something, so not much wetness out there. So
I decided to drive. We had four by four Montero
with brand new tires. So I saw the road. We
lived right on the base on the base fencing, a
ten foot high barbed wire fence, and there was a
road that crossed on the outside of it looked like
it would go right to this lake that I found
on GPS. So I went outside the base gate, turned right,
followed the road. I saw my house exiting I said,
this will be fun. Nobody around, not a single car,
and it was the morning. So I drove one mile
two miles, a lot of potholes, bumps in this eight
foot one road pathway wasn't paved. It was just all
dirt through sagebrush. And about three miles, about halfway to
the lake on the right side where they do farm,
I saw this black, tall creature maybe five hundred yards away.
Speaker 3: Really really a way out there, but the ground is
all brown.
Speaker 1: And there's like circles where they grow things with the sprinklers,
you know, they go around in circles. And there was
this black creature and it looked like he had a
dog head or a wolf head with a snout, big
long hair. I didn't have binoculars. It was only the
naked eye. And it's really strange. So I stopped the car,
looked out the window and saw him move a very
little bit. He couldn't see me, but I could see
this entity, whatever it was. And as you know, there's
there's not many things out there. There's coyotes. There's those
they're not deer or are they called they they're the
fastest land animal in the country.
Speaker 3: Prong horn.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that may be the prong horn. Yeah, but nothing
black and nothing seven or eight foot tall. So I
was just like, I don't know what that is, but
that was weird. So I kept driving to the lake,
had a good day of fishing, caught catfish, caught my
biggest twenty five pound catfish, almost three feet long. Never
saw another fisherman there, unvisited area, had a great time.
I went down there two or three times more over
the course of our we were there for four years,
stationed there for four years, and this is maybe a
year two.
Speaker 3: So that was pretty crazy.
Speaker 1: I might notched it down as to something I don't
remember looking up what it could have been. I didn't
know about dog men back then, told my wife, so
let's go six months forward, and this is where the
big sighting that woke me up to the entire theme
of dog man or cryptids. I was going to visit
that same lake, but the other side of it. So
I had in this case to go outside the base gate.
Intead of turning right, I turned left on a paved road,
went maybe ten fifteen miles down south of the base,
and then I went east towards the lake along the
Snake River, anyone's familiar with the Snake River. It goes
quite a ways in through Idaho, and I think it
turns up into Montana and it's fed by the Rocky mountains.
Speaker 3: So I went out to the lake.
Speaker 1: I did some fishing and bass fishing, did pretty well,
had a few to bring back home to cook that night,
and I was returning home. So I'm driving parallel to
the Snake River, about twenty five miles from the base
from Mountain Home Air Force Base if you were to
go straight line, and it was starting to get dark,
or it was about ready to hit dusk, like the
sun was going down. And as I was driving home
on a two lane paved road, the river's on my
left and there's a bank that maybe goes up fifteen
feet high, and I'm driving along on all of us.
I looked to the right left driving in, and nobody's
out there on the road, and holy crap, I saw
three black creatures. And the one I saw six months
before just popped in my mind. Is that with the
one I saw, it was like one hundred yards away,
just five times closer. And I put my brakes and
it stopped as quietly as I could because I had
already passed them.
Speaker 3: I knew.
Speaker 1: I looked up there and saw three seven to eight
foot tall, hairy black creature, your solid jet black with
a dog face, and it looked like you remember the
old Werewolf movies something like that, and it's just like whoa.
I backed up slowly in the car and they were gone. Now,
of course, I thought, being the adventurer that I am,
all you gotta do is pull over the side, put
my hatters on and go up there and see. At
that time, we didn't even have cell phones, because it
was like fourteen years ago, just coming from Germany where
we didn't have cell phones. We only had those phone
cards to call, if you remember the phone cards. So
I wish I would have had a camera or a
cell phone to take pictures, but I didn't. And I
stood there and thought, do I want to take the chance?
And I did not go up and it always I mean,
I could have got footprints.
Speaker 3: I could have.
Speaker 1: I could have looked around see where the heck they
would have went. That that's a total of four creatures
that looked identical to each other. And that's when I
did a deep dive and the internet was you know,
it started twenty five years ago, so it's fourteen years ago.
It was starting to pop up, and I did a
YouTube search and I found dog Man because that's what
it looked like, creatures that looked like dogs in the
high desert, and there had been sightings, and I came
to realization I just seen something much like Bigfoot, because
I learned about all the Bigfoot sightings in the Northwest
earlier than that, and so I had to share it
with people with talking to my wife said are you
sure it wasn't just a big dog or no, it
wasn't a dog, it wasn't a bear on the high
desert chaparral, and it's kind of if you just jump
the lake or I saw these coming back. They probably
were only ten miles apart. The one was on the
western side of the lake. The other are three or
on the eastern side of the lake. And there's one
way to visit the lake with these dirt roads surrounding
the lake. And those are my two sightings and I'll
stick to it to the day I die that I
did see and they all looked identical, like nothing adolescent
or small. I think they were adults. I don't know
how tall you've ever seen or heard people see they
say they were, but.
Speaker 3: They were bigger than I was. I'm six foot two.
Speaker 2: Well they are credible eyewitnesses who reported seeing twelve footers,
so they can get to be a lot bigger than that.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: Wow is right, Well a lot of things about them.
Wow is the best way to describe it or sum
it up. It really is. Did I hear you correctly?
Did you really wait that long to tell your wife
about that first sighting at Striker Lake or did you
tell her almost right away?
Speaker 1: Yeah, if anyone wants to go check out to see
to have an adventure, I beg them to do it,
or if you've got time.
Speaker 3: CJ.
Speaker 1: Striker Reservoir. It's part of the Snake River. They just
dam it to build the water up for agriculture, water
and flood control of that kind of stuff. But yeah,
I know, I've been married thirty three years. So I
came home and told her about my sightings both times.
But she's one of these conservative Catholics, doesn't really really
want to believe or doesn't believe period in this kind
of stuff. Like percent of the human race, I would say,
even my buddies in the Northwest when I go up
to visit Portland, Oregon, we'd have beers and I tell
them about it, and they'd laugh because none of them
are adventurous as I am. I used to go out
with my fourth first View or a Ford Courier in
my motorcycle and drive the back roads from the top
of the Cascades to the coast to the BlackBerry River
off in the haleem Or there's nothing, but you know
the Tillam Burn. It's a world famous burn in the twenties,
huge forest, go deep deep in there. Before I knew
about bigfoot, but I keep thinking I camped there fished.
That would have been a great place to see a
bigfoot if there ever was one. But yeah, I never
expected anything this huge to live out in a high
desert chaparral area with sagebrush and the lake.
Speaker 2: Well, you never expect to see these guys until you do.
That's how normally goes. Your buddies know about your encounters now.
But when you're in the military, I'm sure you kept
those experiences close to the vest for obvious reasons, didn't you.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, although you do. You've heard of these
military members that that after World War two, there was
UFOs or the Montana Missi layer bases. I mean, this
is you know David Politis Politis, Oh yeah, yeah, he
just had a big Foot movie released three months ago maybe,
and he's thinking that not only are these sightings real,
but they're connected with aliens and UFOs, which goes goes,
kind of goes way out there, because if they were
out there, you hope to hear more than just the
sounds and the bigfoot casings that they pour plaster in
or hairs. You think you'd have a body. So where's
where are the bodies? If these are real sightings? That's
why science does not actually share with us.
Speaker 3: They are real creatures.
Speaker 1: They've sent in blood and they have DNA that's un
corroborated with any scientific evidence that matches with anything known
on Earth. But you know, you have sightings on all
seven continents YETI and you probably could share with the
listener how many tens and tens of different languages there
are that equates to Bigfoot? Are there other languages to
talk about dogmen in other countries as well?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 2: See that's the thing. When dogmen communicate with eyewitnesses, it's
via telepathy, so they don't speak the spoken word the
way people have reported hearing sasquatch do. So when you're hearing,
in most cases, it's your own voice that you hear.
Not every time. Some people hear a different voice in
their head. But in a lot of cases, the eyewitnesses
hear these words spoken in their heads, in their own voices.
But yeah, like I said, with sasquatch, in some cases,
the sasquatch apparently say the words out loud. I'll never
understand that. But there's been a lot of reputable eyewitnesses
who reported experiencing man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just like that old older he was in his
forties with a group of hunters north of where the
Patterson Gimlin film was put in in California, in the Sierras,
and he has those recordings of those crazy e owls
and screams and and noises that he attributes to Bigfoot.
But do dog men make noises? Are they howling like
the werewolves? Or have you heard of people stating that
they heard a dog man's make noise all the time?
Speaker 2: Okay, hmm, did you ever go back there to strike
a reservoir after seeing that first dog man?
Speaker 3: The second one?
Speaker 2: No, the first dog man when you had that first encounter,
did you ever? I guess we had the second encounter
close to the same spot, but on the other side
of the reservoir, So apparently you did go back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that summer or the summer after I took
my whole family, we went camping on the lake at
a big camp ground with tens of other visitors. Typical
place a human being would visit a natural lake, or
along the Snake River.
Speaker 3: We'd go down.
Speaker 1: To the dam just to I went river rafting into
the Hell's Canyon on the Snake West. Actually it's actually
deeper than Grand Canyon. I did that for a whole week,
but never saw any creatures on that visit. Just had
a blast in the river raft and you know, ate
off the river and fished and that was a really,
really great time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that sounds like a good time. But since it
wasn't that long after that first sighting that you were
camping with your family in that area, could enjoy yourself.
Speaker 1: I did, because the first one I really never notched
it as a sighting per se. It's just like something
I saw and didn't even look it up. Probably a
lot like a lot of a lot of other people
that have something they see that's very unusual. But to
actually see these things twice, that's what really pinned into me.
Oh my god, this is something that's unrecognized by science,
and I need to let the world know.
Speaker 2: That they may indeed be real creatures. Yeah, they definitely are.
You went from never seeing a dog man in your
life having two encounters within the span of six months.
With that in mind, do you think those two encounters
were related somehow?
Speaker 1: Yes, and no, because they were seen in about the
same area, within ten or fifteen miles ab you know,
and we just have it. It's not part of the
military base, but it's where all the F sixteens fly over.
And there's a reason for that because there's nobody domicile
or residing down there unless it's on the snake off
the snake. But yeah, it's all high desert. If you
look on the map, you'll see it's kind of like
Nevada as there's not many people, not many cities that
live there.
Speaker 3: In Idaho. It's the southern eastern portion of Idaho.
Speaker 2: Sounds like a lot of good area for a dog
mean to hang out, So no wonder they're there. You
didn't talk openly about this experience or those two experiences
that you had. But with that in mind, how fearful
were you still that the Air Force would find out
about those encounters.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I hear study or reports of people seeing like what's
that one with.
Speaker 3: Will Smith men in black?
Speaker 1: Yeah, like there's helicopters, black SUVs that come out after
citing after the rangers or people from the fishing game
have been told about this. And I've heard there's been
these entities, f CIA, FBI, whatever, they come out and
try to do their best to take whatever they that
were reported to be seen out of the environment. I
don't know if that's true. It's kind of like one
of those Smithsonian we said it to the Smithsonian, you
never see it again.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the government definitely doesn't want you to have in
the evidence. It's so impressive that it might move the
needle towards proving their existence.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, because there's so much money involved visiting these.
Speaker 3: Parks, the national parks.
Speaker 1: And today when you hear about four one one and
David Politis four movies about the missing in individuals in
the in the huge Yosemite, Yellowstone mount Rainier, all the
national parks, we have. It really makes you wonder hundreds
and hundreds of people that went out camping or hiking
and never returned.
Speaker 2: We don't handle crisises very well at all. So if
the government let it out of the bag, they guess what,
in a forest near you, there's every possibilitether you might
have something or some things running around that look like
we're wolves. I don't think the public's going to handle
that very well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's that's that's the conclusion I've come up
with too. There's got to be a reason why, I mean,
the media is so I don't know why they're so biased.
It seems like the deep state or something very very
wealthy is paying these people off not to declare the truth.
And then of course whatever we hear are conspiracy theories.
I see Bigfoot is very and dogmen similar to that.
Speaker 2: Well, when it boils down to it, the media companies,
they're really indirectly controlled by the government anyway. They're allowing
the government in so many ways that if they run
a foul of the government, the brass of those companies
they know full well that the government can make things
really difficult on them. So they really are in the
government's back pocket.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we live in a free country. Right to bear
arms for good reason when we were all just frontiersmen
trying to survive, make a buck. But how many tens
of billions of dollars are spent on these secret entities
to hide the truth. What Jack Nicholas is saying, a
few good men you can't handle the truth. I find
that to be so true.
Speaker 2: That sure is true. Yeah, there's a lot of truth
to that. When you saw that first dog, mean, he said,
it was about five hundred yards from you. Now, it
couldn't see you, you said, But did it still seem
to already be aware of your presence?
Speaker 3: I e.
Speaker 2: Was your manterro loud or had you done anything else
that might have tipped off your presence to it?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: No, no, I again, it was so far away, but
I watched him for about two minutes, and I could
have kept watching him, but he didn't seem like he
knew I was there eyeballing him. But I will tell
you the second sighting, when I had passed in my montero,
maybe going forty five miles an hour, I saw these dogs,
these dog men, they were all looking at me in
my car, so in the second sighting, these three individuals
saw me, and you can only five seconds later when
I backed up, they were gone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, as close as you were to the three, it's
no wonder they saw yet on.
Speaker 1: Top of them almost And we all know dogs and
German shepherds there. They're hearing is amazingly. I don't know
how many times better than human beings are, but their
their senses are peaked.
Speaker 2: Oh definitely. They can probably smell and hear better than
pretty much any dog out there anyway. So yeah, no one.
Speaker 3: Tale about that.
Speaker 1: The fastest prong horn, Yeah, that's how they capture these things.
If that's what they're eating, and coyotes, there's not much
out there other than those two species.
Speaker 2: Yeah, prong horns are the fastest land animals in North America.
If they got down prong horns, that's awfully impressive. Which
people have headed down the highway and reported them hitting
sixties sixty five talking about dogmen of course, So yeah,
I'm sure they can catch them.
Speaker 3: Is that right?
Speaker 1: You have people saying they thought they were going sixty
five miles an hour.
Speaker 2: Yeah, incredible eyewitnesses. I can't remember the highway out there
in Nevada, but for a while there were truckers who
were talking about how if you had down this one
particular highway. It was kind of a well known secret
that if you had down this one highway in the
middle of nowhere in Nevada late at night, that quote unquote,
we're wolves would commonly run next to your trailer, kind
of race your truck. It was kind of like a
poorly kept secret. But yeah, they would be trucking along
at sixty five, maybe even a little faster than sixty five,
and they were seeing that the quote unquote were wolves.
That is we're keeping up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that reminds me, and I haven't brought this up
for very many people. I was driving when we were
get restationed to San Diego from Mountain Home. We'd put
all of our home goods on a truck, but we
had to get the four of us the eleven or
miles to our Southern California duty station. Driving at like
three o'clock in the morning, north south north of Vegas,
and I saw three eyeballs, three sets of eyeballs, off
the off the freeway. They were like four feet tall.
Tell me anything that lives that's got eyeballs four.
Speaker 3: Feet tall off the ground.
Speaker 1: You know that your headlight hits when you got on
the high beams no one else is on the road.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's pretty high, unless they were cattle or something
like that. Could you tell if the eyeballs were right
on the front of their heads, of the creature's heads,
or if they were on the sides in.
Speaker 3: Middle of nowhere. I never saw a body.
Speaker 1: I just saw these three eyeballs and I woke up
my wife, Honey, did you know I was sleeping? That's
not much evidence was that I saw them and kept driving.
Speaker 3: So I'll bet that woke you up. Yeah. I had
a lot of coffee that night.
Speaker 2: I get this A to B, but didn't wake up
like that. Did I'm sure it might seem like a
strange question, Kevin, but were you glad in a way
that you saw that first dog me in because a
lot of people wouldn't have been.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he didn't seem ready to pounce on me. He
didn't go away from what he was doing. Maybe it was.
Speaker 1: It was early morning, Amy, he was just doing his thing.
I've been looking for prairie dogs or whatever else is
out there. But it was definitely an eye opener, and
I'm so glad I saw the first one because it
woke me up to what I just had seen late
that summer, that very same year.
Speaker 3: The second time.
Speaker 2: Around, if you have to have a dog mean encounter,
it's always best to have it at a good distance.
With that in mind, considering how much closer you were
when you had that second encounter, Are you glad that
your first one happened at such a good distance to
kind of warm you up for the second one in
a way?
Speaker 3: Indeed, I sure am, But hindsight is twenty twenty. I
wish I would have had the.
Speaker 1: Guts just to pull, you know, do it, as I
said before, just to go go check it out, look
for footprints.
Speaker 3: It was just right up.
Speaker 1: There on top of the bank, just off the bank
about I mean fifty foot haul and one hundred yards back,
so three hundred feet. But this is so obvious, no one,
no one could.
Speaker 3: Say it was anything else.
Speaker 1: What else is seven feet tall and dark black, long
fur with a dog's face a big five inch long muzzle.
Speaker 2: For clarity, you're saying that you wish you would have
had the courage to go back, or the wherewith fall
to go back with maybe ten in one Abrams with
you and a whole squadron to go up onto that
bank and look for footprints. Or are you saying that
you wish you would have just stopped the car right
there and then after they left, gone up there to
take a look.
Speaker 3: Both.
Speaker 1: I wish I got it, would have done it right
then and there and they can maybe come back with
a couple of friends that that following weekend.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just imagine if you would have gotten out right
then and there, headed up there and they came back.
Speaker 1: That's what I Yeah, it's just such an out of
this world witness experience. I just something in me. It's
just that this is not a good time. It's almost
getting dark, and anyone else to say, are you crazy?
So that's one of the many, many reasons why I think.
You know, hunters go out, they've been doing it for
decades and then one time it happens they say, I
never returned to that hunting spot and fishing or whatever
whatever it might be, to get out in their land.
That is their land. They were here first. So but
have you have you if I may ask, in the
in the decade or so, you've been doing these sightings
and witnesses and interviews. Has anyone ever been hurt when
they go out and did someone say they chased them?
Speaker 2: Well, I get asked that all the time, and the
answer to that question is, I've spoken with over five
thousand dogmen eyewitnesses now since I spoke with the verse
one in two thousand and seven, and I can tell
you the grand total of credible eyewitnesses who've ever told
me over the years about being intentionally harmed by the
dog men or dog men as sometimes happens, that they
had an encounter or encounters with the grand total of
people who told me that they were intentionally harmed who
are credible, that number is seven, eight, maybe nine. So
what does that tell us right there? It tells us
that they show a lot of control. They really do
show a lot of control because so many of those
people were caught dead, nuts to rights and a very
compromising circumstance where those dogmen, if they wanted to do
whatever to them, could have easily done so, but they
let them leave. Now, when I say that, I always
have people get up in arms and say, well, VIC
says these things are safe. You can bring them home
as pets and have them laying there at your feet
when you're watching TV. No, not at all. Never say
that dog men are any safer to be around than
anything else that is big and powerful and has sharp
claws and big teeth. But I will tell you that
they show a lot of control whenever, will almost whenever
people have encounters with them, because if they didn't, then
those numbers would be totally different. I use this example
all the time. If you go down to Texas where
fire ants are all over the place, if you put
your hand on one hundred different fire ant mounds, how
many times out of one hundred are you going to
get lit up? Well? The answer to that question is easy,
one hundred out of one hundred, because firey ants are
wired to be very aggressive and dangerous by nature, so
it's a repeatable result. Every time that you put your
hand on a fire ant mound, you're going to get
lit up. Well. If dog men were wired to be
so dangerous to us and wired to rip us apart
as soon as the opportunity presented itself, then every time
or almost every time that people encountered them, especially in
a compromising circumstance, then these people would have been attacked,
not allowed to leave. In so many cases. If I
would have only spoken with twenty people who fit that example,
that'd be one thing. The sample size there is not
nearly big enough to come to the conclusion I have
over the years, but I've spoken with thousands of people
who've been in that circumstance where they were just dead
to rights, vulnerable. The dog man could have done whatever
it wanted to do and like I said, and let
them go. So there's definitely a pattern there that's been
established that tells me these guys, like I said, are
not wired by nature to rip us apart as soon
as the opportunity presents itself. Now, having said that, yeah,
I do believe they're a dangerous dogmen out there, and
I've said this countless times before. I do think they're
a dangerous dogmen out there who will kill people if
they get the opportunity. They're probably looking for an opportunity
to do that because they're deviant ones. They're not what
would be considered the norm psychologically for dog men. Even so, yeah,
I do believe they're a dangerous dog men. But to
land this plane, I think we're talking about an exception
there instead of the norm. Does that make sense?
Speaker 3: It does?
Speaker 1: And We see this with the grizzly bear all over Alaska.
They will come out and attack you because they see
you as prey, not the black bear, the cougar. They're
kind of like the Sasquatch and dogmen. They're programmed not
to even entertain the idea unless they're hungry. And we've
seen hikers and hikers get attacked in California, some killed,
most of them just injured.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's definitely something worth keeping in mind. It really is.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: You told us that you wish she had a camera
with you when you had that second encounter, But do
you think you would have remembered or had the presence
of mind to even pull it out and use it
if you would have had one.
Speaker 1: I asked to myself that a thousand times, and you
hear tons and tons of people say I had it
in my car. I just didn't grab it. Something kept
me from doing what I should have what I should
have done. And yeah, it's interesting now a third time,
I would most definitely take a picture.
Speaker 3: But how many people have seen these times? These things
three times in a row.
Speaker 2: People have had cameras hanging from their necks when they've
encountered these things. And that's kind of an ugly thing too,
because you want to talk about people who beat themselves up.
I mean, they're totally to themselves, just so disgusted they
didn't think to pull the camera up.
Speaker 3: But I mean I.
Speaker 2: Heard a perfect example about a year or so ago.
This guy was listening to a podcast, and like he said,
if you have a camera hanging from your neck and
someone puts you on a cage with a lion, how
many pictures do you think you're going to get?
Speaker 3: It's the same thing. That's a good analogy. It's almost PTSD. Yeah,
being in the military, I learned all about that.
Speaker 1: And here hearing from World War Two, Korea, Vietnam vets.
They saw something that was not known to man as
being even around, but they witnessed death, an injury, and
horrific acts and they can't sleep at night. So that
hasn't impacted me in that way. It's more of a wow.
I saw that. I would love to be able to
see it again, but in California, i'd have to go
up to the severe Sierra Nevadas. I'm busy raising my
two kids, but maybe when I hit sixty two and
the kids are in college, I can go out and
go camping.
Speaker 2: I sure hope you can.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just four or five hours north. Mount Whitney's right there,
three ninety five, all of the Sierra Nevada.
Speaker 2: You've got so much life ahead of you. Really would
be a shame if you didn't have a chance to
go out and enjoy things like that. It really would
try to get a picture right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So that's my two stories.
Speaker 2: You don't suffer from PTSD after having those two encounters,
But how often do you still think about them?
Speaker 3: Almost every day?
Speaker 1: I you know, if I just retired four years ago,
so I have a little more time on my hands
besides chauffeuring my kids to and from school and practice.
They're in water polo and swim. I see YouTube videos
on a daily basis and dogmen, So I'm reminded of
this on a daily basis. Now with AI today, it's
much more difficult when you when you see a thirty
second short.
Speaker 3: Just saw one two days ago.
Speaker 1: They looked like some guy was on top of a
mountain looking at an elk, like a twelve point elk,
and he said he witnessed a bigfoot attack the elk. Wow,
I mean it looked like the real thing. But how
do we know if it's AI or not.
Speaker 2: Yeah, AI is such a problem when it comes to
proving of the existence of cryptids. Now you really can't
tell for sure what you're looking at.
Speaker 3: No, you don't, you can't.
Speaker 1: So and then the whole thing with Patterson's son coming
out and said he saw his dad burned a Bigfoot suit,
and then and he told them not to ever tell him,
and then he twelve with his mom, Patterson's wife. Patterson
died shortly after the sighting, but his wife's shared with
his son, I was told by your father never to
tell that I made all this up. And because they
made like ten million dollars off the sightings and everything
they had to do with Bigfoot showing the film again,
So are you familiar with that sixty seven film that
came out.
Speaker 2: I sure I am. And yeah, that whole story about
burning the suit is nonsense. Who made the suit? That's
a common argument about it being a hoax. But I
spoke with a man who was the most capable man
back then in sixty seven when it came to making
a suit just like that. I asked him, point blank,
could you have made a suit like that? He said,
in no uncertain terms, There's no way I could have
made that. We just did not have the technology. So,
as far as I'm concerned, that claim that he made
about the suits and seeing it burnt nonsense, And don't
buy it for a.
Speaker 1: Second, good because how could one person totally denounce all
of what we've all been seeing for decades after that film?
Speaker 3: Exactly?
Speaker 2: Well, it's a cryptid field. You have things like that now.
When you had your second encounter, you saw three of them,
of course, But did any of the three seem to
be an alpha?
Speaker 3: They were all exactly the same heights.
Speaker 2: You said, they were all three the same height, But
did one seem to act more dominant than the other two?
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 1: I remember them up on the shelf above my car,
all like standing in a triangle and looking at me,
probably just three feet apart from one another, like you
were in a.
Speaker 2: Huddle, hopefully not in a huddle trying to decide what
to do to you.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I think they just heard the car and
then heard my brakes and said let's get the heck
out of here, And that's why they were not there
any longer when I tried to see him again. But yeah,
we caught. It was eye to eye witnessing. They saw me,
I saw them.
Speaker 3: Sure.
Speaker 2: I can only imagine the thoughts going through your head.
Speaker 3: I want to go back there.
Speaker 2: Oh man, Well someday you just might. I hope you can,
if that's what you want to do. I really do. Now,
I'm pretty sure the answer to this next question is yes.
But then again, you know what happens when you assume
before you found out what they really were, ie dog men,
did you think that you had seen were wolves?
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, that's what they look like. You go back
and watch those werewolf movies shot thirty forty years ago.
Speaker 3: That's what they look like, solid jet.
Speaker 1: Black, dark black, long, long hair, maybe twelve inches long.
I mean, during the summertime, how can they even It
gets hot out there in the desert, really hot.
Speaker 2: Some people think that that long hair connect as insulation
against the heat.
Speaker 3: Okay, but the color black only absorbs heat.
Speaker 2: That's true. That's a good point. There's so many things
about these things that we just don't understand, and I'd
say never will.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: By the way, how big is Mountain Home Air Force Base?
I meant to ask you that earlier.
Speaker 3: Oh, it's not that big.
Speaker 1: Maybe a couple thousand individuals with pilots, navigators, support staff.
There's a medical clinic there and all the surrounding buildings
to house individuals that work there on base. It supports
fighter jets and cargo jets, and Singapore has been allowed
to stay there and train with the F sixteen FA
teen pilots.
Speaker 3: I think they have a couple of thirty five's there too.
Speaker 2: Well, it might not be a very big base, but
if they have all that going on there, it must
be a fairly major basin.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Like I said, it's just all for training the pilots
to get good at what they do, or like.
Speaker 3: The war going on right now and the Blue Angels.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it must be a fairly major base. Then you
didn't know about dog mean before you had your encounters.
But how much do you think that helped or hurt
your ability to come to terms with those experiences?
Speaker 1: I wish I would have known more, but having seen them,
I don't think it would affect well, the first one.
Maybe I WoT I would have got closer, you know,
had I known about them.
Speaker 3: Oh there's a dog man.
Speaker 1: Wow, let's pull up see if I can get a
closer view of them. But you know, what would I
have done had I got closed there? Would he have run?
Would he have run to me? I mean, we're not
on a safari here, and no one's ever I don't know.
Speaker 3: I mean, well, what can you tell me? What are
usually people? Do? They try to chase after him?
Speaker 2: No, I don't think I've ever spoken with anyone who's
ever told me about running after them. Normally is either
a case of them being frozen in place or them
trying to get the heck out of the area. But yeah,
running after one, I don't think that's a good move
at all.
Speaker 3: I think you're right.
Speaker 1: I think because the first one didn't see me or
didn't look at me. He just wanted to allow on
his business, didn't move anywhere, he stayed right where he was.
I looked at my rear view mirror as I passed
by him. You seemingly was the same place. So hmm,
I said, I got you know two, Like you said,
they either sit and get really uh still, or they
get the heck heck out of dodge and leave quickly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how it normally goes. What's about time for
us to get out of here, Kevin. But before we do,
do you have any clothes in comments you want to
put out there for us.
Speaker 1: I just want to thank you for your time today,
and I appreciate your good questions and your acknowledgment of
this being the scripted being being alive and well out there,
and sharing with me why the government may indeed want
to hide it keep it hidden. I can certainly see
the reasons. But if you consider the population of America
three un and fifty million people, and you've been interviewed
five thousands, probably several other people that do your job,
that's a very very small question of the actual witnesses.
Speaker 3: So I'll bring this to my grave and we'll get
to see two of them at two different times.
Speaker 2: That's wild, well more than what you would think. Yeah, yeah,
it seems like there's a pattern. Once you have a
dog men the counter, it does increase the odds of
you having another one. That's not always a case, not
by a long shot, but it does seem to kind
of pull the veil back a little bit. But we
can make a whole nother show about that. Having said
all that, though, Kevin, thanks again so much for coming
on to tell us about those experiences. And please remember
if I can never help you out in the future.
Just let me know and I'll be there for you.
Speaker 3: I appreciate that, Vic, you have a good one. You too.
Speaker 2: We'll see