Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Castle of Horror, the show dedicated
Speaker 1: to horror movies an awesomeness. This week we have a
Speaker 1: look at the nineteen eighty nine horror film Howling five
Speaker 1: The Rebirth. This is episode four hundred and fifty six.
Speaker 1: Bear in mind if you haven't seen today's movie, we're
Speaker 1: going to be talking about it from the perspective of
Speaker 1: horror fans who have seen it, So warning spoilers ahead.
Speaker 1: From Denver, Colorado, I'm your host, Jason Henderson, publisher at
Speaker 1: Castlebridge Media, home of the Castle of Horror anthology. With
Speaker 1: me from Austin is Tony Sabaggio, lead singer and bassist
Speaker 1: of the band Deserts of Mars and lead guitarist of
Speaker 1: the band Rise from Fire. Salo Tony Howdy Howdy, also
Speaker 1: in Austin. Mister Drew Edwards is the writer creator of
Speaker 1: the long running underground comic Halloween Man, which you can
Speaker 1: find at Global Comics. He is a Best Writer Ringo nominee,
Speaker 1: Austin Chronicle Best of Austin Award winner and a member
Speaker 1: of the Pen America Fellowship.
Speaker 2: Salo Drew, It's hard to play it is it is.
Speaker 1: I feel for that girl, and finally, also in Denver
Speaker 1: color commentary from the one and only Julia Guzman Guzman
Speaker 1: Immigration of Denvers.
Speaker 3: Hello, no, this can't be happening.
Speaker 1: Speaking of Julia was a talking head recently on Telemundo,
Speaker 1: which was so neat? How cool is that our TV?
Speaker 1: And there's Julia on Telemundo answering questions in Spanish? No less,
Speaker 1: So she's a talking head in Spanish. I felt, yeah,
Speaker 1: well sure, but I'm just saying, just to get the
Speaker 1: complete picture of it. There was your lovely face and
Speaker 1: your your You've got the firm brand behind you, and
Speaker 1: you're rattling off Spanish language stuff, answering questions from the anchor.
Speaker 1: It was so awesome, It was it was. It was
Speaker 1: really cool anyway.
Speaker 2: So what you're saying is not a bimbo? Very smart.
Speaker 1: She was. If she were a character in this movie,
Speaker 1: she would be the professor, the professor woman who So
Speaker 1: okay Howling five Rebirth This is a nineteen eighty nine
Speaker 1: movie that I cannot believe. I did not see this
Speaker 1: movie directed by Neil Sunstrom from a screenplay by Freddie
Speaker 1: Rowe and Clive Turner, and it was filmed in Budapest.
Speaker 1: Even though looking at it and looking at the hotel,
Speaker 1: I really thought that it might have been filmed on
Speaker 1: some of the same locations as Transylvania six five thousand. No,
Speaker 1: it was filmed in Budapest. This is the fifth Howling movie.
Speaker 1: I don't know what that means, Drew. You will probably
Speaker 1: have to explain the Howling series continuity to us, or
Speaker 1: maybe it's just eight standalone films. Who knows. But before
Speaker 1: we get into that, because Howling continuity, that context I
Speaker 1: will want from you, Drew. But to start, you got it.
Speaker 1: Let's get our opening thoughts. We'll go Tony Julia Drew,
Speaker 1: and I'll go so Tony Howling five Rebirth. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you've ever seen this before, but what are
Speaker 1: your opening thoughts? Have not?
Speaker 2: I think maybe I stopped at Howling three. It's possible
Speaker 2: maybe I saw four, but I kind of I don't know.
Speaker 2: It felt like diminishing returns in some ways. And I'm
Speaker 2: not disparaging. I love good cheese, you know, and I
Speaker 2: love good b movies, and everybody's doing the best they can,
Speaker 2: so you know it just it didn't grab me to
Speaker 2: get to five, I think, and I think I wanted to,
Speaker 2: like this more than I did, because I think it's
Speaker 2: got a lot of really interesting things that it's trying
Speaker 2: to do and I think they made some cool choices
Speaker 2: here and there. But it didn't grab me as much
Speaker 2: as I might have wanted to. I don't know. It's
Speaker 2: it's fun to discuss, but as far as rewatchability, I
Speaker 2: know this is gonna be in my top But I did.
Speaker 4: I did.
Speaker 2: I mean, I do like I like the setup, and
Speaker 2: I think the characters that they bring together are interesting
Speaker 2: and it's a neat it's kind of a neat premise too,
Speaker 2: And I totally understand why Drew brought it to us, uh,
Speaker 2: you know, follow up our last movie, because the Werewolf
Speaker 2: mystery part of it. I mean, it's a perfect double
Speaker 2: feature for that part, right, Like, I couldn't ask for
Speaker 2: much more than than Werewolf Mystery double feature. Like this
Speaker 2: totally makes sense, but it's not. It's definitely not my
Speaker 2: favorite Werewolf movie.
Speaker 1: Wonderful, Thank you very much, Julia. Did you have a
Speaker 1: good time with this?
Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, this movie is fun. It's not good, but
Speaker 3: it is fun. I agree with Tony, there's a lot
Speaker 3: of potential that was kind of lost. I feel like
Speaker 3: there were some storyline stuff that I was like, wait,
Speaker 3: what what's happening with the with the family and why
Speaker 3: do they all have the mark? And so so what
Speaker 3: like what's gonna happen with you know? There was like
Speaker 3: a lot of things where you're just kind of going, wait,
Speaker 3: how did that baby get saved? And why did they
Speaker 3: all kill themselves? There's a lot of stuff like that
Speaker 3: where you're but then you're like, you know what, repeat yourself.
Speaker 3: It's just a dumb movie. I should really just relax.
Speaker 3: It's yeah, it's not h it's not the you know,
Speaker 3: most intellectual, but it is very very I had a
Speaker 3: good time. It was entertaining.
Speaker 1: It's fantastic, Thank you very much, Drew. I don't have
Speaker 1: any opening opening thoughts. I'd rather just start with your
Speaker 1: opening thought and then why don't you segue into explaining
Speaker 1: the howling howling verse? If there is, and so so
Speaker 1: give it to us, and also, you know, yeah, why
Speaker 1: you chose this film, et cetera.
Speaker 4: Well as far as the why you know Tony hit
Speaker 4: the nail on the head, it pairs very well with
Speaker 4: the bet must die because it's it's another who instead
Speaker 4: of who done it? It's it's who the werewolf. And
Speaker 4: so you know, I anytime I watch The Beasts Must Die,
Speaker 4: I I inevitably go around and I watch this one.
Speaker 4: This is kind I actually probably have seen this movie
Speaker 4: more than The beet Smuts Must Die. It's kind of
Speaker 4: a comfort food movie for me, which isn't to say
Speaker 4: that I think it's amazing or anything. I don't. You know,
Speaker 4: like there's some definitely some flat acting in it, and
Speaker 4: you know, it's it's got a certain late eighties cheesiness
Speaker 4: to it. And I understand when you know, people's mile
Speaker 4: edge may vary. You know, I like that kind of vibe,
Speaker 4: but you know it might not. But I like that
Speaker 4: it is essentially, you know, an old dark house movie
Speaker 4: but with a wolf. You know. I like the Eastern
Speaker 4: European setting. You know, it gives it a certain atmosphere
Speaker 4: that I think is cool. And you know it it's
Speaker 4: it is, you know, a fun kind of spam and
Speaker 4: collect you know, spam in a can, collection of characters
Speaker 4: that are you know, international in nature, which makes it
Speaker 4: makes it even a little bit more interesting. But yeah,
Speaker 4: I don't know, I just think this is a fun movie.
Speaker 4: As far as the Howling franchise go, goes it's one
Speaker 4: of the better sequels, which isn't saying a whole lot,
Speaker 4: but the kind of dive into your question really right, Yeah,
Speaker 4: which we did the Bonified Classic. Yeah, and and that
Speaker 4: is a great movie and I don't think anybody too
Speaker 4: many people would argue against that. But the sequels really,
Speaker 4: only the second one even attempts to be a true see,
Speaker 4: like the sense of continuity is pretty loose. They're mostly
Speaker 4: unrelated werewolf movies. And in fact, you know, when I
Speaker 4: watched this with Jamie earlier today, she was like, well,
Speaker 4: I haven't seen any any but the first two Howlings
Speaker 4: do I need to have seen Howling three? And I
Speaker 4: was like, no, no, you don't need you know, Heling three,
Speaker 4: Heling four, Heling Fight. You know, like they're they're like that,
Speaker 4: I said, one of them, you know, the third ones
Speaker 4: in Australia, the second ones or the fourth ones kind
Speaker 4: of a remake of the first one. And this one
Speaker 4: is you know, weird late eighties gothic murder mystery thing.
Speaker 4: And then then the next one you have a freak
Speaker 4: show where where wolf fight's a vampire. And then actually
Speaker 4: the Howling New Moon Rising does attempt continuity because it
Speaker 4: is a clip show movie. So yeah, and that one's
Speaker 4: probably the worst one. That or Howling Reborn, which was
Speaker 4: their attempt to cash in on the popularity of Twilight.
Speaker 4: So the less said about that the better. But you know,
Speaker 4: I have a soft spot for this franchise. Really the
Speaker 4: only the first one is a particularly good movie. But
Speaker 4: there's a certain batshit craziness about a lot of the
Speaker 4: sequels that I find entertaining, even if they're not great movies,
Speaker 4: you know, and you know, it's it's a franchise that's
Speaker 4: about were wolves, and I like watching werewolf movies.
Speaker 5: So yeah, but information, I think, I think the idea,
Speaker 5: I mean, I like the idea though, yes, it's nice
Speaker 5: if sequels have continuity, but I like the idea that
Speaker 5: they decided to just use it as a framing like, Hey,
Speaker 5: you guys want to watch a werewolf movie, You're gonna
Speaker 5: get one.
Speaker 2: You're in a Howling movie, You're gonna get a werewolf movie.
Speaker 2: And you know there's something cool about that, right, Like yeah,
Speaker 2: like here you go, you're gonna get here's a werewolf movie.
Speaker 2: You got you want to wear wolf movie this weekend? Well,
Speaker 2: here's the hell and that's great, I think, I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't know, in theory at least, that's pretty awesome.
Speaker 4: So what sort of like what they tried to do
Speaker 4: with with Halloween, you know, right, but yeah, but they
Speaker 4: actually exactly but they actually did it. And you know,
Speaker 4: I Poween Halloween, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Polloween because it's like Halloween.
Speaker 2: I mean, and I will say that the overall quality
Speaker 2: of Howling movies. You know, there's other franchise like you
Speaker 2: get like which Wichboard and that there's like a kabillion
Speaker 2: of them and they're they vary wildly. So you know,
Speaker 2: there's something I don't think you need to defend your
Speaker 2: love of, you know, this of this being a comfort film,
Speaker 2: because I think it's for that. It's actually you know,
Speaker 2: pretty good.
Speaker 4: Well, and I you know, it's it's the simplicity of
Speaker 4: the setup is why it's comforting. It's very it's so funny. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's very watchable, you know, it really is. It's a
Speaker 4: it's a breeze.
Speaker 3: So I was laughing from the pretty much, not the beginning,
Speaker 3: because the beginning's terrible, I mean, like so sad. But
Speaker 3: but after that, after the the five hundred years ago,
Speaker 3: people commit suicide and leave a maybe alive that when
Speaker 3: we meet the lack of a better term, the bimbo character,
Speaker 3: I'm not a bimbo character, the bimbo by night and
Speaker 3: the and the tennis player guy, and he's like, I'm
Speaker 3: a tennis player and she's like, oh, it's nice to
Speaker 3: have a hobby there.
Speaker 2: Actually, you know, there's a lot of that. There's a
Speaker 2: lot of yeah, that's actually a really I you know,
Speaker 2: it ebbs and flows, but that scene is actually written
Speaker 2: really well. Good character like character introduction. Yeah, character introduction.
Speaker 1: That was great.
Speaker 2: I I hands down, that's probably that's probably one of
Speaker 2: the best scenes in the movie. Interesting enough, because when
Speaker 2: you get to characters interacting, they actually do a pretty
Speaker 2: good job.
Speaker 1: I agree about that. And you know, she actually has
Speaker 1: some good interactions also because she also meets with the
Speaker 1: she meets the the older quote unquote, although I think
Speaker 1: the actors.
Speaker 4: Are they about the same age.
Speaker 1: At the same age. But in the dialogue she keeps
Speaker 1: saying things like I grew up watching you. You were
Speaker 1: so wonderful. I can learn so much.
Speaker 3: Used to be so beautiful.
Speaker 1: But the thing is the character is such a dimwit
Speaker 1: that you don't get the impression she's actually intending to
Speaker 1: be insulting. Insulting.
Speaker 4: She's well and and and layers upon layers. Maybe she
Speaker 4: isn't a dim with yeah, because she like she says
Speaker 4: the she says the line early on in the movie
Speaker 4: that oh, it's hard to play a bimbo because she's
Speaker 4: an actress, and she keeps getting played, you know, the
Speaker 4: jobs playing bimbos because she appears to be a bimbo.
Speaker 4: And then what we later find out is she's the
Speaker 4: fucking warbol.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 3: And the look she gives at the very end is
Speaker 3: like fully like, oh, you guys thought I was a nitty,
Speaker 3: but I am actually not at all.
Speaker 1: I actually, so what is her?
Speaker 3: What is that character's name? Mary Lou Mary Lulu okay
Speaker 3: so Mary Lou so so Anne. I was born in
Speaker 3: nineteen fifty seven, Mary Steven and Elizabeth Shay was born
Speaker 3: in when let's see, isn't that gonna tell me when
Speaker 3: she was born? That would be satif. Yeah, they're not
Speaker 3: giving us an age on on the IMDb, but anyway,
Speaker 3: I'll keep looking.
Speaker 4: She she looks the be around the same age.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're not, they're not separated by much. The but
Speaker 1: I just wanted to say. I love and Tony always
Speaker 1: makes fun of me because the stuff that I enjoy
Speaker 1: is so predictable. I love the look of this movie.
Speaker 1: I love it like there's there's just something about it.
Speaker 1: It is so like this. Although the styles of the
Speaker 1: movie are like embedded like deeply in the eighties, you know,
Speaker 1: with the big belts and the big shoulders and all
Speaker 1: that stuff, but the look of it, the film and
Speaker 1: everything and what the inside of this looks like, it
Speaker 1: feels very very nineties to me, you know. And I
Speaker 1: I really loved this. I mean it's a.
Speaker 4: Great time capsule of what what a B movie looked
Speaker 4: like at this point.
Speaker 1: In time in nineteen eighty nine, right around there. Yes,
Speaker 1: you know, because it's you know, it's on film, so
Speaker 1: it looks nice, you know, but it was apparently a
Speaker 1: directed video film at the time. I'm shocked that I
Speaker 1: didn't see it, you know.
Speaker 2: And both the the you know, quote unquote older actress
Speaker 2: and the guy plays Richard like they're they're all of
Speaker 2: all the styles. Actually, all of the styles are firmly
Speaker 2: of this era, like the haircuts that look like it
Speaker 2: is definitely time capsule. I mean, it's done in ninety
Speaker 2: but it fulfills that like we're still in the eighties
Speaker 2: when we're filming it, like very like it, and so
Speaker 2: none of the styles have moved on. We haven't reached
Speaker 2: that tipping point where now we're into a nineties fashion, right, it's.
Speaker 4: Like free, it's it's it's like that look that's like
Speaker 4: in between hair metal and grunge, you.
Speaker 2: Know, it's exactly. It's exactly like.
Speaker 4: We haven't we haven't figured out what the nineties are
Speaker 4: going to be. In the eighties are in the midst
Speaker 4: of you know, in a way, you know, tying this
Speaker 4: back into the original Howling, like you know, the original
Speaker 4: Howling has that same sort of transitional feel to it
Speaker 4: because it's early early eighties and you know, so it
Speaker 4: still has that that feel of the seventies to it,
Speaker 4: and this is late eighties, and so it's like the
Speaker 4: eighties becoming the nineties, but we don't know what the
Speaker 4: nineties are yet.
Speaker 1: It's I it definitely felt like a time capsule to me.
Speaker 1: So that was that's I think if you're the listener,
Speaker 1: I mean, I cannot imagine for all the world that
Speaker 1: you listened to this conversation without actually having seen Howling five.
Speaker 1: But if you haven't, you like to listen to these beforehand,
Speaker 1: you know, to give you then definitely put this movie on.
Speaker 1: I mean, you can do other stuff, you know, like
Speaker 1: mag nachos or whatever it is one does with one's time,
Speaker 1: but this.
Speaker 4: Is a great movie to eat.
Speaker 1: My point is you don't have to like stare at
Speaker 1: the film, but definitely put it up there as some
Speaker 1: because well, it just looks great.
Speaker 2: It's the guy plays like the Duke character, and William
Speaker 2: Shockley plays Richard would definitely like could easily shift into
Speaker 2: like a Bloodstone movie or or what's the other one
Speaker 2: with Gillian Stands, Oh, Warlock, Warlock movie like that. You know,
Speaker 2: they're all all these characters could easily like you could
Speaker 2: do a hammer thing where they flow into two full
Speaker 2: moon movies like it all. It all feels like that
Speaker 2: the other things of the best ways though, you know,
Speaker 2: in my opinion.
Speaker 4: But the other thing that's kind of cool about it is,
Speaker 4: even though it is this time capsule thing, because the
Speaker 4: bulk of the action is contained to this castle, it's
Speaker 4: also kind of timeless. Like you know, like this this story,
Speaker 4: you could take the same script and you know, the
Speaker 4: only thing you would really maybe have to add is
Speaker 4: is cell phones if you wanted to. But you could
Speaker 4: pretty much do the same script now and have pretty
Speaker 4: much the same story, which is interesting to me.
Speaker 1: No, you're exactly well. And in a sense, this is
Speaker 1: yet another you said old dark house. It's thinking house
Speaker 1: on hunted Hills. Since they've all been gathered together for
Speaker 1: a reason, because because they're all connected, the and and
Speaker 1: by the way, I'm gonna say this and I when
Speaker 1: I ask a question of everybody, So the concept is
Speaker 1: everybody here has been invited to come and check out
Speaker 1: this castle that has been reopened. This is kind of
Speaker 1: a publicity press opening of a castle that is been
Speaker 1: closed after mysterious violent offenses happened hundreds of years ago.
Speaker 1: Castle has been reopened, five hundred years ago. Castle has
Speaker 1: been reopened. And it turns out that not only is
Speaker 1: there a werewolf among them who is killing people. And
Speaker 1: I want to get into some of the cool werewolf effects,
Speaker 1: but everybody is connected because they all bear this this
Speaker 1: sort of birthmark that that connects them to the curse
Speaker 1: of this werewolf.
Speaker 4: But well, they're all descendants of the baby that survived
Speaker 4: this This family basically kill everybody in this family decided
Speaker 4: to commit a mass suicide and this were wolf bloodline,
Speaker 4: and they one baby was left alive.
Speaker 1: So my my only question is why is Mary Lou?
Speaker 1: You know spoilers by the way, Mary Lou? But why uh?
Speaker 1: Why is she killing all of the others? Like why
Speaker 1: like why is.
Speaker 4: She the one that inherited the curse?
Speaker 3: I guess, like why is she from nobody else's? So
Speaker 3: how comes she? There's just the one? There's so many questions.
Speaker 3: It's not just a question any questions.
Speaker 1: I feel like it loses I feel like it kind
Speaker 1: of drops the whole question in fact of of the
Speaker 1: tattoo and sticks with the who's the werewolf thing?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, isn't it?
Speaker 2: Isn't it kind of the same as I mean Drew
Speaker 2: brought it to us because of you know, the beast
Speaker 2: must thigh? But isn't the Hey, if we get everybody here,
Speaker 2: we can figure out who's the wealth and in this
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 4: I guess generally the thought the count who organized all
Speaker 4: of this that seems to be thought process is that
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Maybe, I mean, yes, it's not like like Julia, You're
Speaker 2: not wrong, but I was under the impression that once
Speaker 2: we once, once we get the twist, we're kind of again,
Speaker 2: we're kind of ahead of that, but like once we
Speaker 2: get the twist of like by the way, you're all
Speaker 2: you all could be cursed. One or one or all
Speaker 2: of us could be were wolves. But the intent is
Speaker 2: to end it here, right, Like I've collected everybody who
Speaker 2: has that mark, and I want to end it now.
Speaker 3: And what though, see, the thing is what I don't
Speaker 3: understand and maybe I'm forgetting something. Five hundred years ago,
Speaker 3: a bunch of people killed themselves. They left a baby alive,
Speaker 3: and as the guy was dying, he's like, oh no,
Speaker 3: we've all died in vain, meaning I guess shit, we
Speaker 3: forgot to kill the baby. And so the family curse
Speaker 3: is going to continue? Sure right, yeah, okay, So now
Speaker 3: five hundre years later, we've got this count who goes, hey, everybody,
Speaker 3: come check out this awesome castle that we opened up
Speaker 3: after five hundre years. But what I mean, who has
Speaker 3: been getting Did I miss something or did I forget
Speaker 3: something where some were wolf has been killing people? Like
Speaker 3: I don't remember that being a story.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean they don't.
Speaker 4: They talk a lot about were wolves and how like
Speaker 4: they still blame were wolves for the death's deaths in
Speaker 4: the area, and that kind.
Speaker 3: Of why was she that this girl has not been
Speaker 3: there as as I can tell you Americans, why would they? Why? Why? Why? Why?
Speaker 4: Mouldey, Well, the count is trying. The Count is trying
Speaker 4: to wipe out the bloodline. He's trying to finish the
Speaker 4: job that they did back and started back in the
Speaker 4: Middle Ages.
Speaker 3: I would have just loved to have a line of
Speaker 3: dialogue about something with were wolves that you could later
Speaker 3: find out she was there for some reason, like, man.
Speaker 2: That that was a weird thing in New York that
Speaker 2: happened that seemed to be like a were wolf. Don't
Speaker 2: need to I mean there's.
Speaker 4: Even there's even the animal that they hit and they
Speaker 4: dropped that and that exactly.
Speaker 3: Run over something. I know, it's well, it's not a
Speaker 3: great movie.
Speaker 4: But it's not. It's not it's not I'm not I'm
Speaker 4: not trying to defend it more more than than it is.
Speaker 1: You know, like once again, why I say it's a
Speaker 1: nacho movie. You know, it's it's it's cheese.
Speaker 4: But you know, because you know, there is a lot
Speaker 4: of stuff that happens that just is is dropped. But
Speaker 4: the the sinse I get, at least as far the
Speaker 4: way that this were Wolf curse works is maybe it's
Speaker 4: like a buffy situation, like maybe it's like one were
Speaker 4: wolf per generation. But you know, yeah, you're right, absolutely
Speaker 4: there should have been a line in there to maybe
Speaker 4: clarify it. But I mean this movie is much more
Speaker 4: interested in exploring this castle and secret tunnels and people
Speaker 4: walking around with candles and that stuff is kind of
Speaker 4: what makes me forgive it.
Speaker 2: That's fair, that's fair.
Speaker 3: Agree with that. Yeah, that once you get into that
Speaker 3: where they're just all all these people are around and
Speaker 3: somebody and they immediately start dying. We got this movie
Speaker 3: wastes no time killing people off.
Speaker 4: There's a lot of people they have to kill.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Jason's like this is a huge cast and like
Speaker 3: they got to kill a lot of they gotta have
Speaker 3: a lot of people to kill.
Speaker 4: The little it down to two.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's totally true. I love it.
Speaker 2: That's the sneak there, like it can sneak like no problem,
Speaker 2: like nobody's business and where people and.
Speaker 3: Like yeah, like the count, the count says or the
Speaker 3: press whoever was says that the that it has to
Speaker 3: be the most Yeah, the count. I guess that has
Speaker 3: to be the most innocent person. And so he immediately
Speaker 3: decides that it's this guy instead of her, because I
Speaker 3: guess you can't imagine it's her. Uh and it is
Speaker 3: because she does, do you know, make the the the
Speaker 3: blonde the blonde thing work for her? Nobody figures it out.
Speaker 2: Now that she mentioned, I wonder if he's more like, well,
Speaker 2: surely you're you're a virgin loser in his mind. I
Speaker 2: think that you can't possibly be because she's a bimbo.
Speaker 1: I think I think that's the idea.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's a terrible wow.
Speaker 1: What a new stupid detailed sweater wearing loser.
Speaker 2: What a what a dig?
Speaker 6: And you can't possibly she's not that innocent, you sir, However,
Speaker 6: I don't know that's quite the assumption.
Speaker 2: And dig there.
Speaker 1: I love all of these Europeans, by the way. I mean,
Speaker 1: these guys all look like like they're they're, you know,
Speaker 1: the bad guys in die Hard, and with their with
Speaker 1: their their their wang chung hair and there and there
Speaker 1: dotted ties and everything.
Speaker 3: The worst, the worst actor is the best hair. I
Speaker 3: loved his hair.
Speaker 2: I was like, my god, that's really yes, well he's
Speaker 2: you gotta be talking about Richard right like, but he's
Speaker 2: a regular like event up on uh doctor Quinn Medicine
Speaker 2: woman like a long time yeah, like one hundred and
Speaker 2: twenty episodes. I was looking no kidding, Wow, Yeah, he
Speaker 2: was a regular. He's also a musician and from Texas Tech.
Speaker 4: No less, it could just be that he he did
Speaker 4: not believe in, uh, what was happening in this.
Speaker 2: It's possible also, you know, I'll be fair that they're
Speaker 2: you know, we've seen a lot of when you watch
Speaker 2: somebody who's really good in a movie where they're not
Speaker 2: as good and then you gotta go, I think that
Speaker 2: director may not be an actor's director or a character director,
Speaker 2: and that's okay, it can work. But him and this,
Speaker 2: it's it's it's pretty, it's rough, it's it's a tough
Speaker 2: watch sometimes, and I because it's not. It's not you know,
Speaker 2: regardless of what people think, it's not an easy job.
Speaker 2: And every every set is different. And I really don't
Speaker 2: like like cooking fun of people, but man it he
Speaker 2: has some tough where you're like, I don't know if
Speaker 2: that's the motion for that, but okay, what I am.
Speaker 4: I am not as willing to give him a pass
Speaker 4: because the woman that's playing the doctor, who has a
Speaker 4: lot of scenes with him, she's.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you, I'm okay, I got Yeah, that's fair.
Speaker 4: You know, like she's she's taking the material and she's
Speaker 4: doing her her her best with it. So like he
Speaker 4: phoned it in and you know, whatever.
Speaker 3: You have believed in the material.
Speaker 4: I'm sure he did.
Speaker 3: And there's that movie The Avengers from before, you know,
Speaker 3: before Marvel Avengers with Uma Thurman and Ray Fine, and
Speaker 3: if I just saw them in that movie, I would
Speaker 3: think they were terrible actors. And they're some of the
Speaker 3: best actress we have. So you can definitely have those
Speaker 3: movies where you're just like, no, I'm not, I'm not well.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: This is also early on in his career too, because
Speaker 2: role is creepy in Rebocop. So you know, do what
Speaker 2: you gotta do, man, make it work. Eventually he gets eventually,
Speaker 2: he gets into all kinds of stuff.
Speaker 4: So the best actor in the movie for me is
Speaker 4: is Phil Davis, the guy playing the count, because he
Speaker 4: seems to know exactly what kind of movie I'm with
Speaker 4: you he's he's got is the he is the right
Speaker 4: kind of over the top like he he's like walking around.
Speaker 4: He lets his his his trench coat do some of
Speaker 4: his acting for him.
Speaker 3: You know, I love all the women. All the women
Speaker 3: are great.
Speaker 4: The women all do really good work.
Speaker 2: Totally there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I think the best of them probably is
Speaker 4: the woman playing the older quote unquote older actress. You know,
Speaker 4: she looks like she might be at most thirty, well.
Speaker 3: In nineteen fifty seven, So what would be the math there?
Speaker 3: Thirty two? No, yeah, yeah, thirty two, because it's that
Speaker 3: nineteen eighty nine. Yeah, she's thirty two. She's definitely not
Speaker 3: older quote unquote Yeah, yeah, older than the girl maybe,
Speaker 3: but not by much.
Speaker 4: I mean you can kind of buy that there is
Speaker 4: an age difference just in the way that they play.
Speaker 1: It, because right exactly, and.
Speaker 4: That's yeah, they you know, like the one girl is
Speaker 4: so wide eyed and naive and the other girl seems
Speaker 4: the other woman seems so much more worldly. But you
Speaker 4: know it's it's uh, it's they don't really look that
Speaker 4: different in age. The other thing I think, well, while
Speaker 4: we're talking about the cast, that is interesting here the
Speaker 4: Australian guy, Clive Turner, you know, is is actually heavily
Speaker 4: involved with the Howling franchise. He is one of the writers.
Speaker 4: He also shows up in a bit part in in
Speaker 4: the previous movie. He screen wrote the two sequels after this,
Speaker 4: and he was one of the caterers on Howling three
Speaker 4: of the Marsuper marsupials. So he has a long, long
Speaker 4: history with this franchise. And when when they do Howling
Speaker 4: New Moon's New Moon Rising and they attempt to sort
Speaker 4: of graft everything in to give the series more continuity,
Speaker 4: this is the guy that they use. They use that
Speaker 4: rationale of this Australian guy as their through line. So
Speaker 4: that's kind of funny bit of trivia there.
Speaker 2: I did want to bring up though, that uh you know,
Speaker 2: our quote unquote older actress also uh you know, a
Speaker 2: known for being an actress of beauty, but also she
Speaker 2: was in Bond movies. She was in Octopussy and of
Speaker 2: You Two Kill So and highly highly regarded by Roger
Speaker 2: Moore if you read if you read Wikipedia, he's you know,
Speaker 2: says Roger Moore things. But yes, it was kind of
Speaker 2: a perfect you know, it's kind of a perfect fit. Like, hey,
Speaker 2: I am this beautiful actress, let me play a beautiful
Speaker 2: actress in this like that's that's cool.
Speaker 1: She absolutely does look like a like a Bond girl?
Speaker 1: Are there? Before we get to the ending, which I
Speaker 1: regard as rather abrupt because I feel like it's just
Speaker 1: sort of suddenly suddenly done. There's a couple of things
Speaker 1: that I wanted to bring to mind. First of all,
Speaker 1: I kind of love even though all of these characters
Speaker 1: have just met one another, the movie sort of pretends
Speaker 1: that they've all become fast friends, so that the so
Speaker 1: that you know, the ladies are hanging out in their
Speaker 1: bedroom gossiping about all the guys as though they know
Speaker 1: all these men and have had time to like draw
Speaker 1: opinions about this. Yeah, I thought was wonderfully charming. You know, well,
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, Julia, you can tell me.
Speaker 3: Maybe no, they know, they did. They seem to have
Speaker 3: have history with all these people, and I don't know
Speaker 3: how they could, but I think.
Speaker 1: They're just supposed to have just met them and formed
Speaker 1: opinions about about all these dudes. And I thought that
Speaker 1: was great. Uh, what about the kills? Anything interesting that
Speaker 1: that that might be? It might be worth making note of.
Speaker 1: I have one that I want to throw out, I said,
Speaker 1: I said, the wolf was like, rambo, I know it's
Speaker 1: a she, so I try to remember to use the
Speaker 1: right proneons. But she. There's one point where one of
Speaker 1: the characters is outside in the snow and the werewolf
Speaker 1: leaps from under the snow from the wall in the snow,
Speaker 1: like out of nowhere to kill this guy.
Speaker 3: And it was just like I really thought there might
Speaker 3: be too because the wolf gets around a lot.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, well also again, like I said, the one
Speaker 2: thing that it's the movie so whatever, but it sneaks
Speaker 2: up on people. It's because they also have this effect
Speaker 2: of it breathing and stuff, which seems like they're like
Speaker 2: normally you might use that to build some tension where
Speaker 2: everybody's like, oh I hear breathing, where's it coming from?
Speaker 2: But usually it's just like it starts and then it
Speaker 2: jumps out of shadows snow. I do like that snow
Speaker 2: kill though, I'm with you, And it slashes everybody's throats.
Speaker 2: It doesn't, yes, mall them in like rip them to shreds.
Speaker 2: Possibly budget, but you know that's interesting.
Speaker 4: I think I I you know, having watched this movie
Speaker 4: probably too many times, I have always thought that maybe
Speaker 4: what she was planning on doing is killing all these people,
Speaker 4: and then once you know, now that she snowed in,
Speaker 4: she can just kind of eat them at her leisure,
Speaker 4: you know, like she's got like a big store of
Speaker 4: food to hang out in this castle during the winter.
Speaker 2: I mean, but their whole, I mean, there isn't their
Speaker 2: whole their whole premise is like, hey, she doesn't seem
Speaker 2: to kill for food, or it doesn't seem to kill
Speaker 2: for food. It's like doing this against them, you know, Like,
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: How does she get cleaned up so quickly? Like she's
Speaker 3: never covered in blood, she always has her same clothes.
Speaker 1: That's a really good question. I don't have it. I
Speaker 1: don't have an answer for.
Speaker 4: Obviously, obviously she's a strip tease artist, so.
Speaker 3: She's maybe has one of those like magic outfits that
Speaker 3: you could just like like a book row type of
Speaker 3: outfit that she can take off and put on quick.
Speaker 1: Very very possible since she's an expert actress, you know, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that artist. Yeah.
Speaker 4: That being said, I do think the way the werewolf
Speaker 4: is done in this movie for a low budget movie
Speaker 4: is kind of cool because they they only show it enough,
Speaker 4: you know, and they show it enough for you to
Speaker 4: get a sense of scale. They they obscure a lot
Speaker 4: of times when it is on screen, it's obscure through things,
Speaker 4: so you know, it makes the suit fairly effective. And
Speaker 4: there is some stuff they do with camera that I
Speaker 4: think is interesting too, because there's, you know, the one
Speaker 4: thing that all of the other Howling movies have is
Speaker 4: a transformation scene. This movie doesn't have that that's on camera.
Speaker 4: It's an implied one. And there's one in particular that
Speaker 4: I I that I love. There is the journalist character
Speaker 4: who is actually initially initially seems like she's going to
Speaker 4: be the main character of the movie, is as yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: I I I kind of love it. But there's the
Speaker 4: scene where presumably Mary Lou walks into her room and
Speaker 4: she starts talking to her, and they slowly start raising
Speaker 4: the camera up to because it's a POV shot over
Speaker 4: of whoever is the werewolf, and they slowly start raising
Speaker 4: it up to imply that the person who's POV you're
Speaker 4: seeing it from is changing height, you know, like she's
Speaker 4: going you know, she's going over yeah, yeah, yeah, she's
Speaker 4: going from this this you know, diminutive woman to a
Speaker 4: seven foot tall werewolf. And that's cool. Like that's cool
Speaker 4: low budget movie making, you know. Like, so for this
Speaker 4: movie's faults, there is some cool stuff in here, and
Speaker 4: that is one of them. Like I really really like
Speaker 4: that bit, you know. I think it's incredibly clever, an
Speaker 4: incredibly clever way to imply a change in size when
Speaker 4: they probably didn't have the budget to actually show it
Speaker 4: on screen. And I like that kind of thing. I
Speaker 4: like seeing movies that work within you know, what they're
Speaker 4: able to do, instead of you know, maybe you know,
Speaker 4: you know, overreach and and come up with something that's
Speaker 4: kind of corny. Look like this movie never it never
Speaker 4: gets too ambitious, you know, like it always kind of
Speaker 4: keeps within what is working for it, which is one
Speaker 4: of the reasons why it's again very watchable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you, and it's again why I was
Speaker 2: a little sad that I didn't perhaps enjoy it more.
Speaker 2: That doesn't mean if I watched it again, I might
Speaker 2: kind of get a little bit more into it because
Speaker 2: it's kind of get into the vibe. But because they
Speaker 2: do a lot of stuff like that scene, you're right,
Speaker 2: And I was also struck by the way that they
Speaker 2: reveal like they're really smart about the way they handle
Speaker 2: the werewolf and you know when you see things in
Speaker 2: the parts where they're they're in blackness and they kind of,
Speaker 2: you know, shift, it comes out of the darkness and
Speaker 2: that stuff, and like all those all those kills are
Speaker 2: actually really cool and they do a really good job.
Speaker 2: I think that my main faults are kind of the
Speaker 2: cyclical nature, like we go back to the cave and
Speaker 2: we go out and then we come back, and it
Speaker 2: felt it felt like we were kind of treading on
Speaker 2: the same stuff the way that and the way people
Speaker 2: discover some of the bodies, Like you see that same
Speaker 2: kind of shocking, like it recurred. It's recurring enough you
Speaker 2: can only do that so many times before it kind
Speaker 2: of loses some of the impact.
Speaker 3: I like that that the people are going off just
Speaker 3: shooting their guns wherever, and they accidentally kill one like
Speaker 3: each other. I mean, like somebody kills.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah. I mean it's like, you know, it's super.
Speaker 3: Responsible because it's like, exactly, if you're just shooting wherever,
Speaker 3: you're gonna kill your more of your own people.
Speaker 4: Although it does beg the question that if the Count
Speaker 4: is part of the secret werewolf hunting society, why were
Speaker 4: they not better prepared and have more. It's like him
Speaker 4: a butler and a maid, and they think that there
Speaker 4: is going to be a werewolf in this castle. Like,
Speaker 4: why did instead of having an old guy and a maid,
Speaker 4: why not have like commandos pretending to be you know,
Speaker 4: staff that are like armed to the teeth with silver bullets, just.
Speaker 2: Saying gues that those are his trusted people. Also, maybe
Speaker 2: since he account maybe Hubris, he was trying to I mean,
Speaker 2: he was trying to keep it, you know. The other
Speaker 2: part is it's implied he's trying to keep it contained.
Speaker 2: So bring this commandos into it might break that containment,
Speaker 2: if you will, like the main.
Speaker 4: I like, but yeah, I like your idea that it's
Speaker 4: it's it's the the the arrogance of the aristocracy. I'm
Speaker 4: going to just go with that.
Speaker 2: It kind of feels that, I mean, it kind of
Speaker 2: feels that way. And also like those are two people
Speaker 2: who have been there forever. So he like his whole
Speaker 2: his whole thing is to bring this bloodline together, and
Speaker 2: so you want as few people as possible. Uh And
Speaker 2: and I think, you know, bringing the commando thing would
Speaker 2: be a not something like I could take care of
Speaker 2: this for I am the aristocracy and then by that's
Speaker 2: another factor that you have to deal with and explain
Speaker 2: eventually possibly if your intent is to kill everyone else,
Speaker 2: like like maybe maybe you can't like, hey, I want
Speaker 2: you to be bodyguards. Hey, I'll say, but can you
Speaker 2: kill everybody but me?
Speaker 1: And then maybe kill.
Speaker 2: Me because I'm the last of the blood lines? I mean,
Speaker 2: because if he really wants to get rid of the bloodline,
Speaker 2: he has to be assured that and kill himself, right,
Speaker 2: Like that's a possibility. So that's that's my no prize
Speaker 2: version of this. Anyway, I can go with all that.
Speaker 1: I actually like that a lot because it's like the
Speaker 1: terminator chip. There's one more chip, cry all right, I do,
Speaker 1: so we should we should wrap up the The ending
Speaker 1: reveal is only because there's only two people left and
Speaker 1: we find out we find out who it is. But
Speaker 1: it feels like so tony. I was trying to figure
Speaker 1: out why it felt so abrupt, and I think the
Speaker 1: reason is because of that visually, I mean also in
Speaker 1: the story, but visually it feels like we're just treading
Speaker 1: the same ground and then it comes to an end. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, well, if you're taking one of these these
Speaker 1: practical sets, like the like the tunnel set or whatever
Speaker 1: it is, and held it for the last half hour.
Speaker 1: Then you would feel physically like you'd moved into a
Speaker 1: new section of the movie.
Speaker 2: In a more actiony movie, they would have had you
Speaker 2: running through the tunnels from the Werewolf for the last
Speaker 2: for the third act, right right, everybody's trying to escape
Speaker 2: for some reason with a plan, probably.
Speaker 1: Something new that you're trying to do.
Speaker 2: But here we go, We go into the tunnels, and
Speaker 2: kills happen, they come back. And also, since since they
Speaker 2: are trying to be smart about it, we get a
Speaker 2: lot of offscreen kills and then people stumbling over bodies, yeah,
Speaker 2: and accidentally, and then we have an accidental shooting, but
Speaker 2: then we also have an accidental spear stabbing. Yeah, And
Speaker 2: so you're that's I think at the reason, it feels
Speaker 2: like the ramp up, we just kind of people get
Speaker 2: rid of people, and then we kind of just keep
Speaker 2: coming across the bodies. And it's to me, it was harder.
Speaker 2: It felt like there wasn't as much established stakes, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like it like people just kind of get lopped off
Speaker 2: and we have to and it feels like, well we
Speaker 2: have to because we have to end up with two people.
Speaker 2: You know, there's oh there's a body down there. Oh
Speaker 2: I stumbled across, and we're back to the you know,
Speaker 2: and even like we're the ending, does it is it?
Speaker 2: I remember correctly, is the ending in the catacombs or not?
Speaker 4: No, it's in like uh like they have Yeah, that's
Speaker 4: what I thought.
Speaker 2: So like again, we go to the catacombs and then
Speaker 2: we're back and.
Speaker 4: No, it's not in the catacombs. It's in a it's
Speaker 4: like on a balcony.
Speaker 2: No, I That's what I'm saying. Like the back and
Speaker 2: forth and the kind of the way the way that
Speaker 2: it plays out feels it's neat that they're willing to
Speaker 2: tread places. But we watched as a whole. It feels
Speaker 2: more scattershot to me personally than than I would have expected.
Speaker 2: And that's not to say that, you know, you have
Speaker 2: to you have to have this third act kind of
Speaker 2: you know, traditional narrative by any stretch like that's that's
Speaker 2: definitely that gets boring as well.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 2: Just the way it goes back and forth. I'm kind
Speaker 2: of it just some of the steaks didn't feel as
Speaker 2: high to me, and I wanted I wanted to, like
Speaker 2: this so much more like because there's so many like
Speaker 2: really interesting bits.
Speaker 4: The low stakesness and abruptness of the ending to me
Speaker 4: kind of feel in line with this sort of old
Speaker 4: fashioned nature of the script.
Speaker 2: Like that's fair. Yeah, I am.
Speaker 4: Like it's like once they reveal who the were wolf
Speaker 4: actually is, the movie's over, you know, and sure, yeah,
Speaker 4: you know that's that's and I'm okay with it.
Speaker 2: I'm fine with that. It's just the lead up to
Speaker 2: it just kind of it just sort of happens. But again,
Speaker 2: we you know, we watch a lot of b movies,
Speaker 2: a lot of European movies that have similar like and
Speaker 2: and some and some of those French films we watched,
Speaker 2: like there's almost it's just very dream like the whole
Speaker 2: way through. So well, yeah, I don't think we should
Speaker 2: behold and be beholden to this, like I said, the
Speaker 2: traditional third act that has action and stuff.
Speaker 1: Like this, but that genre rollan picture that we watched.
Speaker 1: I love it from beginning to end, but I cannot
Speaker 1: I cannot describe to what happens in it, like and.
Speaker 2: That happened that like again, we you know, there's there's
Speaker 2: tons of there's there's tons of ways to do this,
Speaker 2: and I'm not saying that it's necessarily bad, and I
Speaker 2: agree with you, Drew, there's a there's a certain I
Speaker 2: think they were going for a certain way that a
Speaker 2: lot of mystery movies and horror movies, like there's an
Speaker 2: old schooled kind of nature to it and old that
Speaker 2: that it is in line with. And I think that
Speaker 2: that is definitely where they're going. I think you nailed it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, uh, all right, let's get our final thoughts.
Speaker 2: Oh, by the way, I like we said the actress
Speaker 2: who's playing you know, kind of a bimbo and like,
Speaker 2: oh like the you know, she really does shine when
Speaker 2: they tell her like I want you to give us
Speaker 2: your best evil look?
Speaker 1: Yes, no, shoot, like.
Speaker 2: They like nails it, perfect way to go. All the
Speaker 2: women are totally solid in this movie. Like that, you know,
Speaker 2: that's a good that's a good closing look like it's effected. Works.
Speaker 3: It was Michael Jackson.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah that works. Yeah yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 2: but uh, you know, wrapping it up that way, everybody
Speaker 2: everybody was on on point on that totally.
Speaker 1: Okay, Tony, you're actually the first final thoughts. So if
Speaker 1: you have anything to add to that to go for
Speaker 1: it and come around again for endorsements.
Speaker 2: I liked that we watched this. I hadn't seen it
Speaker 2: just because it you know, it's hard to tell that
Speaker 2: era was Also, there were so many sequels coming out,
Speaker 2: and there's so much you know, do you watch again,
Speaker 2: like any any number of like Full Moon was cranking
Speaker 2: out sequel after sequel of varying degrees of quality. Uh,
Speaker 2: you know, crossovers, and so by the time, like I said,
Speaker 2: I may have seen four, I was like, I don't know,
Speaker 2: and so and you know, but if you have that,
Speaker 2: that goes to show if you have that attitude, you
Speaker 2: may miss a jim because every director is bringing every
Speaker 2: act director in cast is bringing something new. So maybe
Speaker 2: maybe I'm wrong in that thinking. Sometimes I still wanted
Speaker 2: to like it more than I actually did. But it
Speaker 2: is a perfect follow up to uh Beast Musty. You know,
Speaker 2: more monster you know, more monster movies. I mean, you
Speaker 2: could do you could do the same, You could do
Speaker 2: a similar thing if you wanted to, were like, who
Speaker 2: created the Frankenstein monster in this castle? And is it
Speaker 2: sneaking around and clump and you know, choking people out,
Speaker 2: and like you could you could do something like that,
Speaker 2: like who is the one who brought it to life?
Speaker 2: And why if you want you could do you can
Speaker 2: do it? And who's the vampire, who's the you know,
Speaker 2: perhaps maybe not who's the gill man because that's gonna
Speaker 2: seem pretty obvious. But if you made it, you know,
Speaker 2: when they touch water mermaid kind of thing, so, uh,
Speaker 2: you know, monsters and and mystery, there's a lot of
Speaker 2: room for that, So I do dig on that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm glad, I'm glad we watched it overall.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's cool, wonderful, Thank you very much, Julia, what
Speaker 1: about you?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Same. I think it's the perfect double feature with
Speaker 3: the beastmas Eye and you know, it's just super entertaining. Actually,
Speaker 3: I think it's more memorable than a lot of the
Speaker 3: better quote unquote movies that we've seen. I think there's
Speaker 3: a lot of really memorable parts to it. And like
Speaker 3: I said, I think the performances, especially of the women,
Speaker 3: a few of the men were super solid, especially our
Speaker 3: our werewolf Bimbo. I hate to keep calling her that,
Speaker 3: but it's it is what she kind of introduced herself as,
Speaker 3: Like I keep getting catt and bimbos are in.
Speaker 4: Didn't you didn't you?
Speaker 1: Didn't you hear?
Speaker 3: So you know, but yeah, I enjoyed it. So I
Speaker 3: also I am glad that was our movie of the week.
Speaker 1: Wonderful. Thank you, Drew, what about you?
Speaker 4: I do think that this is ahead in Jim do.
Speaker 4: I I don't think it's a perfect movie or amazing filmmaking,
Speaker 4: but I think it's it. It hits above its weight
Speaker 4: class and it's incredibly entertaining, which is again it's it's
Speaker 4: usually especially around winter time, it's usually a movie I
Speaker 4: throw on and it's just and and for my part,
Speaker 4: I watched this movie twice this week and I was
Speaker 4: thoroughly engrossed both times because I just I don't know,
Speaker 4: I find it to be a fine movie. And you know,
Speaker 4: thank you for indulging me on watching this incredibly silly
Speaker 4: werewolf movie, because this was this was a balm for
Speaker 4: my soul tonight because I needed this. So I really
Speaker 4: appreciate everybody taking their time to talk about the the
Speaker 4: fifth Howling.
Speaker 1: Movie with me.
Speaker 2: You know, I like your I like your Winter. It's
Speaker 2: got lots of fireplaces and snow, so that's right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: totally makes sense. Like I'm like, oh, yeah, there you go,
Speaker 2: that's that. That works that works. Well, I that solidifies it.
Speaker 1: Man, wonderful, thank you, thank you, Drew, really neat experience.
Speaker 1: I'm so glad we watched this. I it was a
Speaker 1: directive video film, so even in nineteen eighty nine, it's
Speaker 1: not like this would have been playing at the at
Speaker 1: the AMC or anything. But I wish I could have
Speaker 1: seen this on a big screen, not because it's just amazing,
Speaker 1: but because I would love to just sort of luxuriate
Speaker 1: in the in in in the color and the flickering
Speaker 1: torches and all. This is an ideal kind of movie
Speaker 1: to watch, to watch in a darkened movie theater and
Speaker 1: so you know, but but really great on the TV
Speaker 1: screens that we have now.
Speaker 2: So another that's another. If I had scree McDuck money,
Speaker 2: like just make a theater and you just show everything,
Speaker 2: like just you know, at that point, do you work much?
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm we might have shown this, but yes,
Speaker 2: but but as a as a you have to get
Speaker 2: rights and stuff like that, you have to pay people.
Speaker 2: But imagine imagine a theater as if it was your
Speaker 2: own personal plex uh store, like plex account and you
Speaker 2: just go all right, anybody shows up, like you might
Speaker 2: catch Howling five you might catch picture of Little China,
Speaker 2: you might catch a kunk Fu movie, you might catch
Speaker 2: a thriller or a documentary, and you just that would
Speaker 2: be one of the goals. And this is probably also
Speaker 2: why I'm not a billionaire. It's because I would be ridiculous,
Speaker 2: like how much does that cost? Who cares? That's the
Speaker 2: kind of stuff I would do, if you could imagine.
Speaker 3: But most of the billionaires we have are about that responsible,
Speaker 3: if not less.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, but I think this is a net benefit
Speaker 2: for weirdo.
Speaker 1: Better go ahead. Yeah, you don't have to be Batman.
Speaker 2: You can just have theater like you know, the random
Speaker 2: random o theater and people come in and this.
Speaker 1: This film is a little too new and and and
Speaker 1: easily traceable. But I've always kind of wanted to have
Speaker 1: a cafe with large screens on the walls that did
Speaker 1: nothing but show public domain horror all the time, Like.
Speaker 3: That was as always he has been talking about that
Speaker 3: for thirty five years.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's true.
Speaker 2: I think I think we merged these things with our
Speaker 2: screen and the cafe in the front. Is that yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Any time that, Yeah, Devil's Wedding Night could just be
Speaker 1: playing on the wall, you know, like, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2: Sounds like a great name for a cafe that does this.
Speaker 1: Man, You're right, Holy mackerel.
Speaker 2: You bring that up and I'm like, that's the name
Speaker 2: of the thing.
Speaker 3: My cockrel. I love that word. That's hilarious.
Speaker 2: That's a good word too. We're discovering a lot of things.
Speaker 1: It sounds like a very curious Irish name, like Internet,
Speaker 1: like an play Mary Catherine mcacrel.
Speaker 3: Happens.
Speaker 2: It happens to be a secret fish woman.
Speaker 1: All right. Endorsements. This is where we tell the world
Speaker 1: what we've been watching or listening to. And it is
Speaker 1: that they partaken. I are good friends at the Monster
Speaker 1: movie Happy Hour. Uh stipulate that it must be genre related,
Speaker 1: but we have never had such discipline, So you can
Speaker 1: it can be about whatever you like. So Tony, starting
Speaker 1: with you, what do you have for us this week?
Speaker 2: I did go to two concerts this week. It was
Speaker 2: sought by Southwest and sadly, you know, what started as
Speaker 2: a music festival is no longer strictly a music festival,
Speaker 2: and for better or worse, so all the off off
Speaker 2: by Southwest things have been better. So I went to
Speaker 2: an all day one called Stoner jam My producer on
Speaker 2: our Last Visits of Mars album. Actually, the last three
Speaker 2: albums I worked on, Ryse from Fire and Returned from
Speaker 2: the Void and the newest Dead Planet Exodus were done
Speaker 2: by Jeff Henson. He has a new band called We've
Speaker 2: Become Monsters. It was his debut of that band, and
Speaker 2: that was really cool. It was an all day. There
Speaker 2: were so many good bands, Weird bluemout of Italy. I
Speaker 2: talked about talk to them about Italy. I mean there
Speaker 2: were so many there's there's tons of bands.
Speaker 1: There that day.
Speaker 2: But that was really cool. And then there's a new
Speaker 2: bar here in town called the Crowbar Co run by
Speaker 2: the lead Aaron. It wasn't another there was a Crowbar
Speaker 2: that burned down, which is unfortunate. But Erin has since
Speaker 2: Aaron a Scorpion Child, which I think I had talked
Speaker 2: about Scorpion Child's new album had and they debuted the
Speaker 2: album this past week, and Boy talked like see them
Speaker 2: live on the like if you get a chance. Like
Speaker 2: Scorpion Child made a you know, pretty big splash in
Speaker 2: at least our genre at the time, and like pretty
Speaker 2: you know, did a bunch of stuff in Europe and
Speaker 2: all over. But Boy did they have a full sound,
Speaker 2: so I'm gonna get endorse the Scorpion Child album. I've
Speaker 2: also been really enjoying the new kineky Man Muscleman season two.
Speaker 2: As far as Animal and Daredevil. The new Daredevil series
Speaker 2: is really just I just caught a chunk of episode four,
Speaker 2: and there's some really great stuff going on. I've been
Speaker 2: really happy with that. Oh. On a strange nostalgia trip,
Speaker 2: I watched a movie I hadn't seen in forever, The
Speaker 2: Park Is Mine, which was on Cable a decent amount
Speaker 2: and while not a perfect movie, was a pretty amazing
Speaker 2: Another time capsule movie is I It's eighty six. Tommy
Speaker 2: Lee Jones takes over Central Park. It's eighty five eighty six,
Speaker 2: you know, And I was just thinking about the number.
Speaker 2: I think we talked about it a bunch, the number
Speaker 2: of vets coming back from Vietnam and then sometimes you know,
Speaker 2: Korea depending on how old they are, but Vietnam definitely,
Speaker 2: and kind of the treatment of vets and and all
Speaker 2: this stuff. I had this, like, you know what, I
Speaker 2: haven't seen The Park is Mine forever, and it's an
Speaker 2: interesting it's it's kind of it's it's a pretty interesting movie.
Speaker 2: There's a you know, pretty pretty awesome cast and not
Speaker 2: a perfect movie. That would be one that would make
Speaker 2: a really good remake. But if you haven't seen a while,
Speaker 2: I think I caught it. I think I caught it
Speaker 2: on an Amazon I can't remember, but I just had.
Speaker 2: I just remembered it be on a cable off and
Speaker 2: on and was like, you know what, I'm gonna watch
Speaker 2: this movie I haven't seen a while. The whole idea
Speaker 2: is Tommy the Jenes takes over Central Park to raise
Speaker 2: the awareness of how the veterans are treated cool, which is,
Speaker 2: you know, not that's not definitely not great. He you know,
Speaker 2: he has a friend, he's a vet. He's like, hey, man,
Speaker 2: do this for me, take over Central Park. And of
Speaker 2: course a bunch of people think that that's probably not
Speaker 2: like it's it's it's worth it's worth checking I I
Speaker 2: think it's worth checking out, even though it's it's definitely
Speaker 2: not you know, Whatt's and all kind of movie.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 1: I love anything that is severely dated that is about
Speaker 1: the time, you know, people say, oh that movies, I
Speaker 1: want more dated. I want movies that are like marked
Speaker 1: by the time they're in so that you can point
Speaker 1: at it, so it's palpable. So that sounds great choice.
Speaker 2: Tommy Lee Jones, of course, you know great.
Speaker 1: Who was also in Rolling Thunder, which is about a
Speaker 1: very similar topic, Tommy Lee. We're talking about Tommy ly
Speaker 1: Jones as if those are the only but yeah, right, anyway, that.
Speaker 2: Was my you know, kind of random. That's my random assortment.
Speaker 2: I think fantastically. What do you have for us? And
Speaker 2: I know you watched an entire Netflix series last night?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have my my two Netflix. Netflix is knocking
Speaker 3: out of the park this this month. Adolescence is not
Speaker 3: the one I watched last night, but it's many limited
Speaker 3: series Netflix has that is about a kid, a thirteen
Speaker 3: year old who's accused of murdering a classmate, and it
Speaker 3: follows the family and we's grand But what's amazing is
Speaker 3: it's super well acted. This kid is amazing and the
Speaker 3: parents everybody. But also each episode is shot sing in
Speaker 3: h what is it continuously like there's no cuts. They
Speaker 3: don't even have hidden cuts. They just do the whole
Speaker 3: episode with one and they then we've watched it behind
Speaker 3: the scenes thing on YouTube. It's amazing they do like
Speaker 3: they did each week they filmed one of the episodes
Speaker 3: and they shot it. They basically did two takes each
Speaker 3: day for five days, so it's like there's ten takes
Speaker 3: of this one hour episode. It's crazy. It's like basically
Speaker 3: it's like a play, except that it's it's not contained.
Speaker 3: It's all they're they're in the car, they're in different
Speaker 3: build things. They even at one point attached the camera
Speaker 3: to a drone so that they get a drone shot.
Speaker 3: But like they show on the Netflix, I mean on
Speaker 3: the YouTube thing when they attack, it's like, it's crazy,
Speaker 3: but that's not like you kind of at first are like,
Speaker 3: is this all one take? Like it's kind of but
Speaker 3: also the performances are amazing everything, so it's really really good.
Speaker 3: And then last night I took in the entire six
Speaker 3: episode yesterday, I should say it was kind of playing
Speaker 3: all day as I was working the entire six episodes
Speaker 3: of Zero Day during Robert de Niro, But it's it's
Speaker 3: quite a cast in that in that one, and that's
Speaker 3: really cool kind of thriller where he's the former president
Speaker 3: and then he's charged to become it becomes the the
Speaker 3: head of this commission to figure out what happened with
Speaker 3: this uh, this cyber attack. So anyway, it's really good
Speaker 3: to really thrilling. So yeah, both great too. I was
Speaker 3: like Netflix man knocking out of the Park.
Speaker 1: Oh that's cool, Thank you, Drew. Do you have any
Speaker 1: recommendations for us? Yeah?
Speaker 4: So well, I have had a lot of doses of
Speaker 4: high strangeness in my entertainment lately via the married couple
Speaker 4: of Greg and Dana Newkirk. Who are They are a
Speaker 4: charming married couple that also involves themselves in paranormal investigation.
Speaker 4: I first encountered them through their podcast that it was
Speaker 4: recommended to me on Spotify. It's called The Haunted Objects
Speaker 4: Plotted Cast, and it's exactly what it sounds like. They
Speaker 4: they analyze quite humorously the history of a alleged allegedly
Speaker 4: haunted object. And yeah, and the the subjects are as
Speaker 4: wide as the Bermuda Triangle to They actually just put
Speaker 4: out an episode on and God blinking and blinking on
Speaker 4: their name, The the the the couple that the the
Speaker 4: Conjuring movies. Oh yeah, what what is their name?
Speaker 1: Uh? I actually can't remember, but but I know I know.
Speaker 4: The Warrens. The Warrens. They did a whole episode The Warrens.
Speaker 4: They did a whole episode on the Warrens, which was
Speaker 4: really interesting. They also have two seasons of a TV
Speaker 4: show called Hellier, which is dealing with a particular uh
Speaker 4: I guess cryptozoology legend of the Kentucky Goblins, which is
Speaker 4: also really interesting. And I honestly, I just I find
Speaker 4: them as a couple fascinating how they've They've I really
Speaker 4: enjoy watching self actualized, self actualized people where you know,
Speaker 4: like the these these two have taken their interest and
Speaker 4: they've made their whole life about it.
Speaker 1: It's awesome, and.
Speaker 4: You know, they they found a way to make their
Speaker 4: career about it, and I so like, that's fascinating. But
Speaker 4: then and then in of themselves, they're very charming in
Speaker 4: the way that they approach the material because it's you know,
Speaker 4: a lot of I love watching stuff about the paranormal,
Speaker 4: but a lot of it is very extremely serious in tone,
Speaker 4: whereas they very clearly have a sense of humor, Like
Speaker 4: they're they're not completely you know, irreverent to the subject,
Speaker 4: but they do it with enough humor that it just
Speaker 4: makes it more relatable to me.
Speaker 1: I did watch bust Up. Other than that, I've been
Speaker 1: sort of heads down the Marilyn row movie Yes, which
Speaker 1: I which I loved, although somebody somebody asked me, I've
Speaker 1: never seen it. Should I see it? And I said, uh,
Speaker 1: you should see it as though you were watching it
Speaker 1: in a lecture hall. It's I said, you know, it's interesting,
Speaker 1: the performances are interesting, but it's uh, it's unforgivable, even
Speaker 1: in nineteen fifty six, like Consent is a foreign country
Speaker 1: to these people. There's no there's there's you know people
Speaker 1: who are always saying, hey, there's screening bus stop on TCM.
Speaker 1: Got to check that out. There's never any notion that
Speaker 1: Marilyn Monroe's character is treated like a woman with this
Speaker 1: guy sets out to kidnap her and is eventually rewarded
Speaker 1: for kidnapping her. There's a million ways around it that
Speaker 1: we could say, well, you know they grow blah blah
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. It's but it it's it's a very
Speaker 1: very old fashioned in all the wrong ways kind of movie,
Speaker 1: but good and you should see it. But it's it is.
Speaker 1: It is only understandable if you watch it as.
Speaker 4: As an artifact of its time.
Speaker 3: They keep we keep showing our kids stuff that we
Speaker 3: liked and realizing how terribly, how terribly it holds up.
Speaker 3: You know, you just think about like all these old tings,
Speaker 3: you like, I loved this movie, you know, I love
Speaker 3: I love sixteen Candles, I love Airplane or whatever, and
Speaker 3: then you're just like, oh our.
Speaker 2: Mom and dad okay, yeah, yeah, exactly is it that?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: Oh now I see set Okay, yeah, now.
Speaker 3: I forgot how rape this was? Yikes? Yeah, wish so strange.
Speaker 1: Well, this has been a lot of fun, and I
Speaker 1: encourage the listeners to come to the Facebook page and
Speaker 1: engage in all of these conversations with us. It's it's
Speaker 1: and will definitely be back very soon with whatever the
Speaker 1: heck is next. I have. I have no idea, so
Speaker 1: thank you all. Thank you everybody, and uh and everybody
Speaker 1: be kind to one another, right Audios night