WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:02.960 Hello, and welcome to Castle of Horror, the show dedicated 2 00:00:03.000 --> 00:00:06.400 to horror movies an awesomeness. This week we have a 3 00:00:06.400 --> 00:00:09.919 look at the nineteen eighty nine horror film Howling five 4 00:00:10.160 --> 00:00:13.800 The Rebirth. This is episode four hundred and fifty six. 5 00:00:14.080 --> 00:00:16.000 Bear in mind if you haven't seen today's movie, we're 6 00:00:16.000 --> 00:00:18.359 going to be talking about it from the perspective of 7 00:00:18.399 --> 00:00:20.920 horror fans who have seen it, So warning spoilers ahead. 8 00:00:21.280 --> 00:00:24.359 From Denver, Colorado, I'm your host, Jason Henderson, publisher at 9 00:00:24.399 --> 00:00:27.920 Castlebridge Media, home of the Castle of Horror anthology. With 10 00:00:28.039 --> 00:00:31.800 me from Austin is Tony Sabaggio, lead singer and bassist 11 00:00:31.800 --> 00:00:34.200 of the band Deserts of Mars and lead guitarist of 12 00:00:34.240 --> 00:00:37.399 the band Rise from Fire. Salo Tony Howdy Howdy, also 13 00:00:37.520 --> 00:00:40.840 in Austin. Mister Drew Edwards is the writer creator of 14 00:00:40.880 --> 00:00:43.560 the long running underground comic Halloween Man, which you can 15 00:00:43.560 --> 00:00:47.320 find at Global Comics. He is a Best Writer Ringo nominee, 16 00:00:47.399 --> 00:00:50.320 Austin Chronicle Best of Austin Award winner and a member 17 00:00:50.399 --> 00:00:52.079 of the Pen America Fellowship. 18 00:00:52.119 --> 00:00:56.159 Salo Drew, It's hard to play it is it is. 19 00:00:56.240 --> 00:00:59.799 I feel for that girl, and finally, also in Denver 20 00:01:00.159 --> 00:01:04.200 color commentary from the one and only Julia Guzman Guzman 21 00:01:04.280 --> 00:01:05.359 Immigration of Denvers. 22 00:01:05.519 --> 00:01:08.439 Hello, no, this can't be happening. 23 00:01:09.640 --> 00:01:14.480 Speaking of Julia was a talking head recently on Telemundo, 24 00:01:14.560 --> 00:01:21.359 which was so neat? How cool is that our TV? 25 00:01:21.879 --> 00:01:27.000 And there's Julia on Telemundo answering questions in Spanish? No less, 26 00:01:27.200 --> 00:01:31.879 So she's a talking head in Spanish. I felt, yeah, 27 00:01:31.959 --> 00:01:34.400 well sure, but I'm just saying, just to get the 28 00:01:34.439 --> 00:01:37.200 complete picture of it. There was your lovely face and 29 00:01:37.280 --> 00:01:41.159 your your You've got the firm brand behind you, and 30 00:01:41.200 --> 00:01:46.079 you're rattling off Spanish language stuff, answering questions from the anchor. 31 00:01:46.159 --> 00:01:48.680 It was so awesome, It was it was. It was 32 00:01:48.719 --> 00:01:49.760 really cool anyway. 33 00:01:49.879 --> 00:01:57.200 So what you're saying is not a bimbo? Very smart. 34 00:01:56.760 --> 00:02:00.000 She was. If she were a character in this movie, 35 00:02:00.239 --> 00:02:07.400 she would be the professor, the professor woman who So 36 00:02:07.560 --> 00:02:12.520 okay Howling five Rebirth This is a nineteen eighty nine 37 00:02:12.560 --> 00:02:15.280 movie that I cannot believe. I did not see this 38 00:02:15.439 --> 00:02:19.840 movie directed by Neil Sunstrom from a screenplay by Freddie 39 00:02:19.919 --> 00:02:23.400 Rowe and Clive Turner, and it was filmed in Budapest. 40 00:02:23.520 --> 00:02:26.599 Even though looking at it and looking at the hotel, 41 00:02:26.800 --> 00:02:28.759 I really thought that it might have been filmed on 42 00:02:28.800 --> 00:02:32.240 some of the same locations as Transylvania six five thousand. No, 43 00:02:32.840 --> 00:02:36.719 it was filmed in Budapest. This is the fifth Howling movie. 44 00:02:36.800 --> 00:02:39.479 I don't know what that means, Drew. You will probably 45 00:02:39.479 --> 00:02:44.479 have to explain the Howling series continuity to us, or 46 00:02:44.520 --> 00:02:49.080 maybe it's just eight standalone films. Who knows. But before 47 00:02:49.120 --> 00:02:52.400 we get into that, because Howling continuity, that context I 48 00:02:52.439 --> 00:02:55.319 will want from you, Drew. But to start, you got it. 49 00:02:55.800 --> 00:02:58.960 Let's get our opening thoughts. We'll go Tony Julia Drew, 50 00:02:59.159 --> 00:03:02.919 and I'll go so Tony Howling five Rebirth. I don't 51 00:03:02.919 --> 00:03:04.439 know if you've ever seen this before, but what are 52 00:03:04.479 --> 00:03:05.639 your opening thoughts? Have not? 53 00:03:05.879 --> 00:03:08.879 I think maybe I stopped at Howling three. It's possible 54 00:03:08.960 --> 00:03:11.599 maybe I saw four, but I kind of I don't know. 55 00:03:11.759 --> 00:03:14.199 It felt like diminishing returns in some ways. And I'm 56 00:03:14.240 --> 00:03:17.479 not disparaging. I love good cheese, you know, and I 57 00:03:17.560 --> 00:03:20.560 love good b movies, and everybody's doing the best they can, 58 00:03:20.719 --> 00:03:23.960 so you know it just it didn't grab me to 59 00:03:23.960 --> 00:03:28.039 get to five, I think, and I think I wanted to, 60 00:03:28.120 --> 00:03:30.840 like this more than I did, because I think it's 61 00:03:30.879 --> 00:03:33.319 got a lot of really interesting things that it's trying 62 00:03:33.360 --> 00:03:37.479 to do and I think they made some cool choices 63 00:03:37.520 --> 00:03:40.400 here and there. But it didn't grab me as much 64 00:03:40.560 --> 00:03:43.919 as I might have wanted to. I don't know. It's 65 00:03:44.039 --> 00:03:48.280 it's fun to discuss, but as far as rewatchability, I 66 00:03:48.439 --> 00:03:50.680 know this is gonna be in my top But I did. 67 00:03:50.680 --> 00:03:51.000 I did. 68 00:03:51.080 --> 00:03:53.879 I mean, I do like I like the setup, and 69 00:03:54.319 --> 00:03:57.639 I think the characters that they bring together are interesting 70 00:03:57.680 --> 00:03:59.919 and it's a neat it's kind of a neat premise too, 71 00:04:00.840 --> 00:04:03.879 And I totally understand why Drew brought it to us, uh, 72 00:04:04.080 --> 00:04:06.879 you know, follow up our last movie, because the Werewolf 73 00:04:06.919 --> 00:04:09.719 mystery part of it. I mean, it's a perfect double 74 00:04:09.759 --> 00:04:13.240 feature for that part, right, Like, I couldn't ask for 75 00:04:13.360 --> 00:04:16.439 much more than than Werewolf Mystery double feature. Like this 76 00:04:16.800 --> 00:04:20.199 totally makes sense, but it's not. It's definitely not my 77 00:04:20.199 --> 00:04:21.240 favorite Werewolf movie. 78 00:04:21.360 --> 00:04:24.040 Wonderful, Thank you very much, Julia. Did you have a 79 00:04:24.040 --> 00:04:24.600 good time with this? 80 00:04:24.839 --> 00:04:28.639 Oh? Yeah, this movie is fun. It's not good, but 81 00:04:28.720 --> 00:04:31.639 it is fun. I agree with Tony, there's a lot 82 00:04:31.680 --> 00:04:33.920 of potential that was kind of lost. I feel like 83 00:04:34.000 --> 00:04:36.399 there were some storyline stuff that I was like, wait, 84 00:04:36.680 --> 00:04:39.959 what what's happening with the with the family and why 85 00:04:39.959 --> 00:04:42.680 do they all have the mark? And so so what 86 00:04:43.360 --> 00:04:44.879 like what's gonna happen with you know? There was like 87 00:04:44.920 --> 00:04:46.399 a lot of things where you're just kind of going, wait, 88 00:04:46.560 --> 00:04:49.279 how did that baby get saved? And why did they 89 00:04:49.279 --> 00:04:51.279 all kill themselves? There's a lot of stuff like that 90 00:04:51.360 --> 00:04:53.680 where you're but then you're like, you know what, repeat yourself. 91 00:04:53.680 --> 00:04:56.000 It's just a dumb movie. I should really just relax. 92 00:04:57.199 --> 00:05:00.439 It's yeah, it's not h it's not the you know, 93 00:05:00.560 --> 00:05:03.519 most intellectual, but it is very very I had a 94 00:05:03.560 --> 00:05:04.560 good time. It was entertaining. 95 00:05:04.600 --> 00:05:08.399 It's fantastic, Thank you very much, Drew. I don't have 96 00:05:08.439 --> 00:05:11.720 any opening opening thoughts. I'd rather just start with your 97 00:05:11.759 --> 00:05:15.759 opening thought and then why don't you segue into explaining 98 00:05:15.920 --> 00:05:20.240 the howling howling verse? If there is, and so so 99 00:05:20.839 --> 00:05:23.160 give it to us, and also, you know, yeah, why 100 00:05:23.199 --> 00:05:24.399 you chose this film, et cetera. 101 00:05:24.480 --> 00:05:28.040 Well as far as the why you know Tony hit 102 00:05:28.079 --> 00:05:30.560 the nail on the head, it pairs very well with 103 00:05:30.639 --> 00:05:34.680 the bet must die because it's it's another who instead 104 00:05:34.720 --> 00:05:38.560 of who done it? It's it's who the werewolf. And 105 00:05:38.879 --> 00:05:43.959 so you know, I anytime I watch The Beasts Must Die, 106 00:05:43.680 --> 00:05:47.199 I I inevitably go around and I watch this one. 107 00:05:47.720 --> 00:05:51.120 This is kind I actually probably have seen this movie 108 00:05:51.399 --> 00:05:54.319 more than The beet Smuts Must Die. It's kind of 109 00:05:54.360 --> 00:05:58.120 a comfort food movie for me, which isn't to say 110 00:05:58.160 --> 00:06:03.279 that I think it's amazing or anything. I don't. You know, 111 00:06:03.480 --> 00:06:07.360 like there's some definitely some flat acting in it, and 112 00:06:08.079 --> 00:06:13.319 you know, it's it's got a certain late eighties cheesiness 113 00:06:13.600 --> 00:06:17.079 to it. And I understand when you know, people's mile 114 00:06:17.160 --> 00:06:19.879 edge may vary. You know, I like that kind of vibe, 115 00:06:19.920 --> 00:06:22.319 but you know it might not. But I like that 116 00:06:22.519 --> 00:06:26.439 it is essentially, you know, an old dark house movie 117 00:06:26.680 --> 00:06:30.959 but with a wolf. You know. I like the Eastern 118 00:06:31.000 --> 00:06:35.600 European setting. You know, it gives it a certain atmosphere 119 00:06:35.920 --> 00:06:40.600 that I think is cool. And you know it it's 120 00:06:40.639 --> 00:06:44.120 it is, you know, a fun kind of spam and 121 00:06:44.160 --> 00:06:49.399 collect you know, spam in a can, collection of characters 122 00:06:49.439 --> 00:06:53.560 that are you know, international in nature, which makes it 123 00:06:53.600 --> 00:06:57.639 makes it even a little bit more interesting. But yeah, 124 00:06:57.680 --> 00:07:00.519 I don't know, I just think this is a fun movie. 125 00:07:00.639 --> 00:07:06.399 As far as the Howling franchise go, goes it's one 126 00:07:06.759 --> 00:07:11.120 of the better sequels, which isn't saying a whole lot, 127 00:07:11.680 --> 00:07:20.639 but the kind of dive into your question really right, Yeah, 128 00:07:20.839 --> 00:07:25.680 which we did the Bonified Classic. Yeah, and and that 129 00:07:25.879 --> 00:07:29.040 is a great movie and I don't think anybody too 130 00:07:29.079 --> 00:07:33.600 many people would argue against that. But the sequels really, 131 00:07:33.639 --> 00:07:39.399 only the second one even attempts to be a true see, 132 00:07:39.480 --> 00:07:45.240 like the sense of continuity is pretty loose. They're mostly 133 00:07:45.800 --> 00:07:48.759 unrelated werewolf movies. And in fact, you know, when I 134 00:07:48.800 --> 00:07:51.240 watched this with Jamie earlier today, she was like, well, 135 00:07:51.279 --> 00:07:54.759 I haven't seen any any but the first two Howlings 136 00:07:54.759 --> 00:07:56.920 do I need to have seen Howling three? And I 137 00:07:56.959 --> 00:07:59.959 was like, no, no, you don't need you know, Heling three, 138 00:08:00.079 --> 00:08:03.160 Heling four, Heling Fight. You know, like they're they're like that, 139 00:08:03.240 --> 00:08:05.279 I said, one of them, you know, the third ones 140 00:08:05.319 --> 00:08:10.199 in Australia, the second ones or the fourth ones kind 141 00:08:10.240 --> 00:08:14.040 of a remake of the first one. And this one 142 00:08:14.639 --> 00:08:20.519 is you know, weird late eighties gothic murder mystery thing. 143 00:08:20.800 --> 00:08:24.000 And then then the next one you have a freak 144 00:08:24.040 --> 00:08:27.879 show where where wolf fight's a vampire. And then actually 145 00:08:28.560 --> 00:08:34.279 the Howling New Moon Rising does attempt continuity because it 146 00:08:34.320 --> 00:08:38.679 is a clip show movie. So yeah, and that one's 147 00:08:38.799 --> 00:08:43.679 probably the worst one. That or Howling Reborn, which was 148 00:08:43.720 --> 00:08:47.240 their attempt to cash in on the popularity of Twilight. 149 00:08:47.399 --> 00:08:50.519 So the less said about that the better. But you know, 150 00:08:50.639 --> 00:08:53.720 I have a soft spot for this franchise. Really the 151 00:08:53.879 --> 00:08:56.679 only the first one is a particularly good movie. But 152 00:08:56.759 --> 00:09:01.080 there's a certain batshit craziness about a lot of the 153 00:09:01.159 --> 00:09:07.639 sequels that I find entertaining, even if they're not great movies, 154 00:09:08.759 --> 00:09:11.600 you know, and you know, it's it's a franchise that's 155 00:09:11.600 --> 00:09:13.960 about were wolves, and I like watching werewolf movies. 156 00:09:14.039 --> 00:09:20.080 So yeah, but information, I think, I think the idea, 157 00:09:20.279 --> 00:09:23.039 I mean, I like the idea though, yes, it's nice 158 00:09:23.039 --> 00:09:26.080 if sequels have continuity, but I like the idea that 159 00:09:26.440 --> 00:09:29.639 they decided to just use it as a framing like, Hey, 160 00:09:29.679 --> 00:09:31.639 you guys want to watch a werewolf movie, You're gonna 161 00:09:31.679 --> 00:09:32.039 get one. 162 00:09:32.120 --> 00:09:34.519 You're in a Howling movie, You're gonna get a werewolf movie. 163 00:09:34.600 --> 00:09:37.960 And you know there's something cool about that, right, Like yeah, 164 00:09:38.360 --> 00:09:41.000 like here you go, you're gonna get here's a werewolf movie. 165 00:09:41.039 --> 00:09:43.080 You got you want to wear wolf movie this weekend? Well, 166 00:09:43.360 --> 00:09:46.759 here's the hell and that's great, I think, I mean, 167 00:09:47.080 --> 00:09:49.960 I don't know, in theory at least, that's pretty awesome. 168 00:09:50.080 --> 00:09:52.360 So what sort of like what they tried to do 169 00:09:52.480 --> 00:09:55.399 with with Halloween, you know, right, but yeah, but they 170 00:09:55.440 --> 00:09:59.240 actually exactly but they actually did it. And you know, 171 00:09:59.480 --> 00:10:03.879 I Poween Halloween, Yeah. 172 00:10:03.360 --> 00:10:05.240 Polloween because it's like Halloween. 173 00:10:07.639 --> 00:10:10.879 I mean, and I will say that the overall quality 174 00:10:11.279 --> 00:10:14.879 of Howling movies. You know, there's other franchise like you 175 00:10:14.919 --> 00:10:18.879 get like which Wichboard and that there's like a kabillion 176 00:10:18.960 --> 00:10:23.120 of them and they're they vary wildly. So you know, 177 00:10:23.279 --> 00:10:26.720 there's something I don't think you need to defend your 178 00:10:26.879 --> 00:10:29.759 love of, you know, this of this being a comfort film, 179 00:10:29.799 --> 00:10:32.759 because I think it's for that. It's actually you know, 180 00:10:32.799 --> 00:10:33.519 pretty good. 181 00:10:33.440 --> 00:10:37.679 Well, and I you know, it's it's the simplicity of 182 00:10:37.720 --> 00:10:42.919 the setup is why it's comforting. It's very it's so funny. Yeah, 183 00:10:43.000 --> 00:10:47.159 it's very watchable, you know, it really is. It's a 184 00:10:47.320 --> 00:10:48.320 it's a breeze. 185 00:10:48.919 --> 00:10:51.879 So I was laughing from the pretty much, not the beginning, 186 00:10:51.919 --> 00:10:55.080 because the beginning's terrible, I mean, like so sad. But 187 00:10:55.080 --> 00:10:58.080 but after that, after the the five hundred years ago, 188 00:10:58.399 --> 00:11:03.000 people commit suicide and leave a maybe alive that when 189 00:11:03.039 --> 00:11:07.240 we meet the lack of a better term, the bimbo character, 190 00:11:08.639 --> 00:11:14.600 I'm not a bimbo character, the bimbo by night and 191 00:11:14.679 --> 00:11:17.639 the and the tennis player guy, and he's like, I'm 192 00:11:17.639 --> 00:11:19.519 a tennis player and she's like, oh, it's nice to 193 00:11:19.600 --> 00:11:21.200 have a hobby there. 194 00:11:21.440 --> 00:11:24.240 Actually, you know, there's a lot of that. There's a 195 00:11:24.279 --> 00:11:28.120 lot of yeah, that's actually a really I you know, 196 00:11:28.519 --> 00:11:31.759 it ebbs and flows, but that scene is actually written 197 00:11:31.879 --> 00:11:37.360 really well. Good character like character introduction. Yeah, character introduction. 198 00:11:37.480 --> 00:11:38.159 That was great. 199 00:11:38.399 --> 00:11:41.720 I I hands down, that's probably that's probably one of 200 00:11:41.759 --> 00:11:44.759 the best scenes in the movie. Interesting enough, because when 201 00:11:44.799 --> 00:11:47.639 you get to characters interacting, they actually do a pretty 202 00:11:47.639 --> 00:11:48.080 good job. 203 00:11:48.399 --> 00:11:52.159 I agree about that. And you know, she actually has 204 00:11:52.200 --> 00:11:55.600 some good interactions also because she also meets with the 205 00:11:55.759 --> 00:11:59.039 she meets the the older quote unquote, although I think 206 00:11:59.120 --> 00:12:00.240 the actors. 207 00:12:00.360 --> 00:12:02.559 Are they about the same age. 208 00:12:03.000 --> 00:12:05.759 At the same age. But in the dialogue she keeps 209 00:12:05.759 --> 00:12:08.679 saying things like I grew up watching you. You were 210 00:12:08.720 --> 00:12:10.399 so wonderful. I can learn so much. 211 00:12:11.720 --> 00:12:13.240 Used to be so beautiful. 212 00:12:15.120 --> 00:12:17.399 But the thing is the character is such a dimwit 213 00:12:17.960 --> 00:12:21.039 that you don't get the impression she's actually intending to 214 00:12:21.080 --> 00:12:22.799 be insulting. Insulting. 215 00:12:22.879 --> 00:12:27.320 She's well and and and layers upon layers. Maybe she 216 00:12:27.600 --> 00:12:34.000 isn't a dim with yeah, because she like she says 217 00:12:34.120 --> 00:12:37.639 the she says the line early on in the movie 218 00:12:38.279 --> 00:12:41.399 that oh, it's hard to play a bimbo because she's 219 00:12:41.440 --> 00:12:44.080 an actress, and she keeps getting played, you know, the 220 00:12:44.159 --> 00:12:47.559 jobs playing bimbos because she appears to be a bimbo. 221 00:12:48.240 --> 00:12:52.200 And then what we later find out is she's the 222 00:12:52.399 --> 00:12:53.600 fucking warbol. 223 00:12:54.080 --> 00:12:54.759 Yeah, that's true. 224 00:12:54.919 --> 00:12:57.120 And the look she gives at the very end is 225 00:12:57.200 --> 00:12:59.960 like fully like, oh, you guys thought I was a nitty, 226 00:13:00.240 --> 00:13:02.000 but I am actually not at all. 227 00:13:02.080 --> 00:13:03.679 I actually, so what is her? 228 00:13:03.759 --> 00:13:08.120 What is that character's name? Mary Lou Mary Lulu okay 229 00:13:08.240 --> 00:13:10.559 so Mary Lou so so Anne. I was born in 230 00:13:10.639 --> 00:13:15.720 nineteen fifty seven, Mary Steven and Elizabeth Shay was born 231 00:13:16.080 --> 00:13:18.440 in when let's see, isn't that gonna tell me when 232 00:13:18.440 --> 00:13:21.320 she was born? That would be satif. Yeah, they're not 233 00:13:21.360 --> 00:13:23.960 giving us an age on on the IMDb, but anyway, 234 00:13:23.960 --> 00:13:24.600 I'll keep looking. 235 00:13:25.159 --> 00:13:28.200 She she looks the be around the same age. 236 00:13:28.559 --> 00:13:32.240 Yeah, they're not, they're not separated by much. The but 237 00:13:32.360 --> 00:13:35.720 I just wanted to say. I love and Tony always 238 00:13:35.720 --> 00:13:37.600 makes fun of me because the stuff that I enjoy 239 00:13:37.720 --> 00:13:40.320 is so predictable. I love the look of this movie. 240 00:13:40.720 --> 00:13:44.080 I love it like there's there's just something about it. 241 00:13:44.080 --> 00:13:47.240 It is so like this. Although the styles of the 242 00:13:47.279 --> 00:13:51.480 movie are like embedded like deeply in the eighties, you know, 243 00:13:51.600 --> 00:13:53.639 with the big belts and the big shoulders and all 244 00:13:53.679 --> 00:13:56.600 that stuff, but the look of it, the film and 245 00:13:56.639 --> 00:13:59.480 everything and what the inside of this looks like, it 246 00:13:59.559 --> 00:14:03.559 feels very very nineties to me, you know. And I 247 00:14:04.080 --> 00:14:06.879 I really loved this. I mean it's a. 248 00:14:06.879 --> 00:14:12.440 Great time capsule of what what a B movie looked 249 00:14:12.519 --> 00:14:13.879 like at this point. 250 00:14:13.720 --> 00:14:16.440 In time in nineteen eighty nine, right around there. Yes, 251 00:14:17.039 --> 00:14:19.759 you know, because it's you know, it's on film, so 252 00:14:19.840 --> 00:14:24.080 it looks nice, you know, but it was apparently a 253 00:14:24.360 --> 00:14:28.120 directed video film at the time. I'm shocked that I 254 00:14:28.120 --> 00:14:29.360 didn't see it, you know. 255 00:14:30.240 --> 00:14:34.240 And both the the you know, quote unquote older actress 256 00:14:34.240 --> 00:14:37.200 and the guy plays Richard like they're they're all of 257 00:14:37.399 --> 00:14:40.519 all the styles. Actually, all of the styles are firmly 258 00:14:40.799 --> 00:14:44.679 of this era, like the haircuts that look like it 259 00:14:44.759 --> 00:14:49.039 is definitely time capsule. I mean, it's done in ninety 260 00:14:49.120 --> 00:14:52.120 but it fulfills that like we're still in the eighties 261 00:14:52.120 --> 00:14:55.039 when we're filming it, like very like it, and so 262 00:14:55.679 --> 00:14:57.840 none of the styles have moved on. We haven't reached 263 00:14:57.879 --> 00:15:05.080 that tipping point where now we're into a nineties fashion, right, it's. 264 00:15:04.039 --> 00:15:07.399 Like free, it's it's it's like that look that's like 265 00:15:07.759 --> 00:15:10.840 in between hair metal and grunge, you. 266 00:15:10.799 --> 00:15:12.679 Know, it's exactly. It's exactly like. 267 00:15:12.679 --> 00:15:16.200 We haven't we haven't figured out what the nineties are 268 00:15:16.240 --> 00:15:19.360 going to be. In the eighties are in the midst 269 00:15:19.360 --> 00:15:21.759 of you know, in a way, you know, tying this 270 00:15:21.919 --> 00:15:24.960 back into the original Howling, like you know, the original 271 00:15:25.000 --> 00:15:29.399 Howling has that same sort of transitional feel to it 272 00:15:29.480 --> 00:15:33.399 because it's early early eighties and you know, so it 273 00:15:33.519 --> 00:15:36.480 still has that that feel of the seventies to it, 274 00:15:36.600 --> 00:15:40.120 and this is late eighties, and so it's like the 275 00:15:40.200 --> 00:15:43.120 eighties becoming the nineties, but we don't know what the 276 00:15:43.200 --> 00:15:44.159 nineties are yet. 277 00:15:44.639 --> 00:15:48.600 It's I it definitely felt like a time capsule to me. 278 00:15:48.720 --> 00:15:51.120 So that was that's I think if you're the listener, 279 00:15:51.200 --> 00:15:53.000 I mean, I cannot imagine for all the world that 280 00:15:53.039 --> 00:15:57.200 you listened to this conversation without actually having seen Howling five. 281 00:15:57.919 --> 00:16:00.879 But if you haven't, you like to listen to these beforehand, 282 00:16:01.320 --> 00:16:04.799 you know, to give you then definitely put this movie on. 283 00:16:04.879 --> 00:16:06.480 I mean, you can do other stuff, you know, like 284 00:16:06.519 --> 00:16:09.200 mag nachos or whatever it is one does with one's time, 285 00:16:09.600 --> 00:16:10.080 but this. 286 00:16:10.080 --> 00:16:13.960 Is a great movie to eat. 287 00:16:15.519 --> 00:16:17.600 My point is you don't have to like stare at 288 00:16:17.639 --> 00:16:19.600 the film, but definitely put it up there as some 289 00:16:20.200 --> 00:16:22.159 because well, it just looks great. 290 00:16:22.320 --> 00:16:25.720 It's the guy plays like the Duke character, and William 291 00:16:25.759 --> 00:16:29.679 Shockley plays Richard would definitely like could easily shift into 292 00:16:29.759 --> 00:16:35.639 like a Bloodstone movie or or what's the other one 293 00:16:35.679 --> 00:16:40.440 with Gillian Stands, Oh, Warlock, Warlock movie like that. You know, 294 00:16:40.480 --> 00:16:44.240 they're all all these characters could easily like you could 295 00:16:44.240 --> 00:16:47.639 do a hammer thing where they flow into two full 296 00:16:47.679 --> 00:16:51.240 moon movies like it all. It all feels like that 297 00:16:51.360 --> 00:16:54.039 the other things of the best ways though, you know, 298 00:16:54.080 --> 00:16:54.679 in my opinion. 299 00:16:55.159 --> 00:16:57.639 But the other thing that's kind of cool about it is, 300 00:16:57.720 --> 00:17:02.480 even though it is this time capsule thing, because the 301 00:17:02.519 --> 00:17:07.200 bulk of the action is contained to this castle, it's 302 00:17:07.240 --> 00:17:13.119 also kind of timeless. Like you know, like this this story, 303 00:17:13.359 --> 00:17:16.799 you could take the same script and you know, the 304 00:17:16.880 --> 00:17:19.799 only thing you would really maybe have to add is 305 00:17:19.799 --> 00:17:22.400 is cell phones if you wanted to. But you could 306 00:17:22.440 --> 00:17:26.799 pretty much do the same script now and have pretty 307 00:17:26.880 --> 00:17:29.920 much the same story, which is interesting to me. 308 00:17:30.880 --> 00:17:33.480 No, you're exactly well. And in a sense, this is 309 00:17:33.599 --> 00:17:36.680 yet another you said old dark house. It's thinking house 310 00:17:36.720 --> 00:17:40.279 on hunted Hills. Since they've all been gathered together for 311 00:17:40.519 --> 00:17:44.640 a reason, because because they're all connected, the and and 312 00:17:44.640 --> 00:17:46.279 by the way, I'm gonna say this and I when 313 00:17:46.279 --> 00:17:49.960 I ask a question of everybody, So the concept is 314 00:17:50.240 --> 00:17:53.839 everybody here has been invited to come and check out 315 00:17:53.839 --> 00:17:56.519 this castle that has been reopened. This is kind of 316 00:17:56.559 --> 00:18:00.279 a publicity press opening of a castle that is been 317 00:18:00.319 --> 00:18:06.200 closed after mysterious violent offenses happened hundreds of years ago. 318 00:18:06.880 --> 00:18:10.519 Castle has been reopened, five hundred years ago. Castle has 319 00:18:10.559 --> 00:18:16.000 been reopened. And it turns out that not only is 320 00:18:16.039 --> 00:18:19.200 there a werewolf among them who is killing people. And 321 00:18:19.359 --> 00:18:22.079 I want to get into some of the cool werewolf effects, 322 00:18:22.359 --> 00:18:26.839 but everybody is connected because they all bear this this 323 00:18:26.880 --> 00:18:30.000 sort of birthmark that that connects them to the curse 324 00:18:30.039 --> 00:18:30.799 of this werewolf. 325 00:18:31.839 --> 00:18:37.559 But well, they're all descendants of the baby that survived 326 00:18:37.839 --> 00:18:41.799 this This family basically kill everybody in this family decided 327 00:18:41.839 --> 00:18:47.200 to commit a mass suicide and this were wolf bloodline, 328 00:18:47.400 --> 00:18:50.359 and they one baby was left alive. 329 00:18:50.759 --> 00:18:55.799 So my my only question is why is Mary Lou? 330 00:18:56.079 --> 00:19:01.079 You know spoilers by the way, Mary Lou? But why uh? 331 00:19:01.240 --> 00:19:03.799 Why is she killing all of the others? Like why 332 00:19:04.240 --> 00:19:05.880 like why is. 333 00:19:05.799 --> 00:19:07.839 She the one that inherited the curse? 334 00:19:07.880 --> 00:19:10.440 I guess, like why is she from nobody else's? So 335 00:19:10.880 --> 00:19:14.000 how comes she? There's just the one? There's so many questions. 336 00:19:14.000 --> 00:19:16.720 It's not just a question any questions. 337 00:19:16.920 --> 00:19:19.640 I feel like it loses I feel like it kind 338 00:19:19.680 --> 00:19:22.920 of drops the whole question in fact of of the 339 00:19:23.559 --> 00:19:26.279 tattoo and sticks with the who's the werewolf thing? 340 00:19:26.400 --> 00:19:27.599 Yeah, I mean, isn't it? 341 00:19:27.640 --> 00:19:29.960 Isn't it kind of the same as I mean Drew 342 00:19:30.000 --> 00:19:32.160 brought it to us because of you know, the beast 343 00:19:32.240 --> 00:19:34.880 must thigh? But isn't the Hey, if we get everybody here, 344 00:19:34.920 --> 00:19:37.000 we can figure out who's the wealth and in this 345 00:19:37.319 --> 00:19:37.720 I mean. 346 00:19:37.599 --> 00:19:43.039 I guess generally the thought the count who organized all 347 00:19:43.079 --> 00:19:47.279 of this that seems to be thought process is that 348 00:19:48.079 --> 00:19:48.440 I don't know. 349 00:19:49.319 --> 00:19:52.400 Maybe, I mean, yes, it's not like like Julia, You're 350 00:19:52.440 --> 00:19:57.079 not wrong, but I was under the impression that once 351 00:19:57.160 --> 00:19:59.519 we once, once we get the twist, we're kind of again, 352 00:19:59.599 --> 00:20:01.200 we're kind of ahead of that, but like once we 353 00:20:01.240 --> 00:20:03.200 get the twist of like by the way, you're all 354 00:20:03.279 --> 00:20:05.720 you all could be cursed. One or one or all 355 00:20:05.759 --> 00:20:08.480 of us could be were wolves. But the intent is 356 00:20:08.759 --> 00:20:12.440 to end it here, right, Like I've collected everybody who 357 00:20:12.440 --> 00:20:15.039 has that mark, and I want to end it now. 358 00:20:15.160 --> 00:20:17.119 And what though, see, the thing is what I don't 359 00:20:17.200 --> 00:20:21.200 understand and maybe I'm forgetting something. Five hundred years ago, 360 00:20:21.200 --> 00:20:23.799 a bunch of people killed themselves. They left a baby alive, 361 00:20:23.839 --> 00:20:26.559 and as the guy was dying, he's like, oh no, 362 00:20:26.640 --> 00:20:30.079 we've all died in vain, meaning I guess shit, we 363 00:20:30.119 --> 00:20:33.160 forgot to kill the baby. And so the family curse 364 00:20:33.240 --> 00:20:36.599 is going to continue? Sure right, yeah, okay, So now 365 00:20:36.799 --> 00:20:39.839 five hundre years later, we've got this count who goes, hey, everybody, 366 00:20:39.920 --> 00:20:41.799 come check out this awesome castle that we opened up 367 00:20:41.799 --> 00:20:44.359 after five hundre years. But what I mean, who has 368 00:20:44.400 --> 00:20:46.640 been getting Did I miss something or did I forget 369 00:20:46.640 --> 00:20:49.279 something where some were wolf has been killing people? Like 370 00:20:49.319 --> 00:20:51.039 I don't remember that being a story. 371 00:20:51.440 --> 00:20:54.039 Well, I mean they don't. 372 00:20:53.680 --> 00:20:59.599 They talk a lot about were wolves and how like 373 00:20:59.799 --> 00:21:04.759 they still blame were wolves for the death's deaths in 374 00:21:04.799 --> 00:21:08.359 the area, and that kind. 375 00:21:08.240 --> 00:21:11.160 Of why was she that this girl has not been 376 00:21:11.200 --> 00:21:16.720 there as as I can tell you Americans, why would they? Why? Why? Why? Why? 377 00:21:16.759 --> 00:21:21.839 Mouldey, Well, the count is trying. The Count is trying 378 00:21:21.880 --> 00:21:25.039 to wipe out the bloodline. He's trying to finish the 379 00:21:25.160 --> 00:21:27.519 job that they did back and started back in the 380 00:21:27.519 --> 00:21:28.240 Middle Ages. 381 00:21:28.480 --> 00:21:30.680 I would have just loved to have a line of 382 00:21:30.759 --> 00:21:35.799 dialogue about something with were wolves that you could later 383 00:21:35.839 --> 00:21:39.319 find out she was there for some reason, like, man. 384 00:21:39.160 --> 00:21:41.119 That that was a weird thing in New York that 385 00:21:41.240 --> 00:21:43.920 happened that seemed to be like a were wolf. Don't 386 00:21:43.960 --> 00:21:45.319 need to I mean there's. 387 00:21:45.039 --> 00:21:48.880 Even there's even the animal that they hit and they 388 00:21:48.960 --> 00:21:52.119 dropped that and that exactly. 389 00:21:51.799 --> 00:21:54.680 Run over something. I know, it's well, it's not a 390 00:21:54.720 --> 00:21:55.680 great movie. 391 00:21:55.440 --> 00:21:58.759 But it's not. It's not it's not I'm not I'm 392 00:21:58.759 --> 00:22:03.160 not trying to defend it more more than than it is. 393 00:22:03.440 --> 00:22:05.160 You know, like once again, why I say it's a 394 00:22:05.240 --> 00:22:09.960 nacho movie. You know, it's it's it's cheese. 395 00:22:10.720 --> 00:22:14.799 But you know, because you know, there is a lot 396 00:22:14.799 --> 00:22:18.359 of stuff that happens that just is is dropped. But 397 00:22:19.119 --> 00:22:23.200 the the sinse I get, at least as far the 398 00:22:23.240 --> 00:22:26.880 way that this were Wolf curse works is maybe it's 399 00:22:26.960 --> 00:22:31.319 like a buffy situation, like maybe it's like one were 400 00:22:31.359 --> 00:22:36.319 wolf per generation. But you know, yeah, you're right, absolutely 401 00:22:36.359 --> 00:22:38.359