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Speaker 1: What is up Fellasiko's I'm Dampa Valley coming at you

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with another twenty twenty five twenty twenty six NBA season

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look ahead. We're on to the New Orleans Pelicans, which

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means I am joined by Schmidt Dua of the In

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the Know substack the In the Know podcast. The links

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the social machines at Fear the Brown spelled exactly as

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it sounds. Schmidt, How the heck are you doing? Thanks

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so much for coming back, Dan.

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Speaker 2: I'm doing well. I love that this has become an

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annual tradition and I genuine look forward it forward to

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it before the season starts. But I'm doing well. How

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are you? Uh?

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Speaker 1: I'm doing well. I am gonna say I'm a little

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I don't know if it's sick and tired or just

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exhausted from I feel like each season we enter this

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with the Pelicans as being one of the most confusing

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teams or toughest teams to pin down, both in terms

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of their short term priorities and direction and potential, and

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then also big picture stuff. It's gonna be another one

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of them. For me, at least, it's just gonna be

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another one of those seasons. And so I have to

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start by asking you, what do you just make of

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their direction following everything that happened this offseason.

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Speaker 2: I think, if we're being truthful, there is no real

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direction here. I mean that genuinely, because on one front,

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they have a very public and vocal commitment to Zion Williamson,

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and when you do that, you have to try to

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be a good team, and you have to try to

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win because that player is very good despite everything else

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that comes with Zion. On another hand, they are investing

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heavily in young players and rookies that they very much

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like and are excited to have in their building. And

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so you know, we just saw the Warriors try this

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two timeline sort of thing and it didn't work out

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well for them, and I don't anticipate it really working

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out for the Pelicans in that I don't think they

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can thread the needle of being competitive and developing the

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young players. I think they have to pick a direction.

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What I do think is that if they reach a

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point where they're like, we have to move Zion Williamson,

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and then we're just gonna lean into the youth movement.

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That's not something they're gonna be.

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Speaker 1: Upset about, which I guess is fine. But when you

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trade for Derek Queen by giving up an unprotected pick

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in twenty twenty six, that complicates the whole like, oh,

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we're gonna go lean into a longer term approach, and

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you had a fantastic piece in the on the end

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of no substack about like all the events surrounding that trade.

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We're two much removed from this situation. Now, have your

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thoughts or intel on that changed at all?

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Speaker 2: No, I wish I wish my thoughts had changed. I

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wish the intel has changed. You know, it's it was

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a very tough situation in the draft in that I

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think they made a poor trade. I think they didn't

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properly assess the risk associated with that trade. However, you know,

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their belief is is that they did the homework with

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regards to Queen extensively. Troy Weaver spent a lot of

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time while he was in Washington watching Queen. While he

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was in Maryland, Troy Weaver's son was a graduate assistant

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on that staff. So they have a very good idea

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in their opinion of what kind of player Queen is,

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and they're betting on that upside, and they believe that

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they got a top five player in this draft and

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he would be a top five player in the next draft.

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So they're just taking out in advance and getting this

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player and now. And so obviously I think the majority

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of the basketball world doesn't agree with the expenditure to

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go get Queen, you know, with regards to that unprotected

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first round pick the following year, which is the best

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of New Orleans and Milwaukee, so there's there's two futures

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kind of tied to that pick. And and frankly, I

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don't think the team anticipated there to be such a

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big back with regards to their trade. I think they

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thought that this would be a fairly standard trade and

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you know, there'd be people that have opinions on both

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sides of it, but you know, that's how trades work.

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But I think the basketball universe kind of collectively coming

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together and reacting in a way that was so strong

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it was like, oh my gosh, like what is going on.

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I think that caught them off guard, and you know,

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so they're gonna have to deal with the consequences of

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that this coming year, whether you know, if they're trying

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to be a good team, hopefully they make the playoffs,

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and that's not a good pick they're giving up. But

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if they're not a good team, then hey, that's that's

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the route they chose.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and we hammered them on this podcast like everybody else.

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And I'm not even trying to relitigate just so much

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as I'm still trying to wrap my head around, like

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what would need to happen with Derek Queen for this

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trade to be worth it? Because it could be the

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Luka doncch trade, Like the Mavericks could have won the

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championship this season after making that trade, and they still

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would have lost the trade, because why not yet a

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bigger haul or why is this the asset you gave up?

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And I know they liked Jeremiah Fears, but I kind

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of landed if you thought Derek Queen was the top

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five player and he was available when you had another

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high draft pick, why not use it on him? And

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so I just like, how good would Derek Queen need

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to be out? And that he's dealing with the wrist

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injury too, so like that's going to be another variable

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in this. But I don't even know how good that

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he could be right out of the gate for people's

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I guess the team itself could just be better than expected.

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is a lot different than we just sent like the

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ninth pickout.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Look, I want to be very clear. People should

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get used to separating the outcome from the process with

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regards to this trade, Like I think Derek Queen could

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become an MVP, and I would still say the process

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of what they did was wrong because they could have

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reached the same pick. They could have drafted Derek Queen

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for a much cheaper price. All they had to do

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was put protections on it, or you know, try to

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introduce a different pick, or just do any kind of

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thing that protected them on the backside. Because I think

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if you were to take this exact pick that they

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traded and you were to shop at around the league,

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and you'd be like, all right, we're trying to trade

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this pick, the value that they could have gotten back

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would have been greater than the right to jump from

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twenty one to thirteen, which is what they did. So

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with regards to that, it's like, yes, it was an overpay,

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you know, It's like going to a sandwich shop and

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you spend one hundred dollars on a sandwich and you're like, man,

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this actually was an amazing sandwich, But it's like, why

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do you spend one hundred dollars on that sandwich? Right?

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Golda got it for six. But what I think is

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that there is a world. At the same time, it's

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not fair to judge Derek Qlean by this trade, either

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because I think a lot of people are going to

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place a lot of expectations on him, or just tie

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like the management's decision making to his career, which I

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think are two separate things. Again, he can become an MVP,

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he can become an All Star, he can become a

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really good player in general. And you know, like at thirteen,

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if the Pelicans just had the thirteenth pick and they

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selected Queen, I think that's a perfectly fine selection. I

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don't think that's a reach. I think, you know, if

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they hadn't arrived at thirteen the way they did, no

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one would be talking about this, right And so yeah,

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so I don't think you know his career or his

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like I guess next season or next couple of seasons

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really change how this trade is going to be viewed.

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But I do think there's gonna be some like bad

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faith actors who like, if Queen has a strong career

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to start or he has a really bad career to start,

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they're gonna like talk about the trade in a certain light.

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And I just don't think I just don't think those

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two things are particularly relevant given all the information that

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was available at draft time.

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Speaker 1: No, we need to do a better job. Everybody are

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just attaching. It's the same thing with contracts, where if

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there's a good player but they sign a contract that

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you don't deem a good value or that they're overpaid,

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and people all of a sudden can't admit that they're

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still like a valuable player. That's just a paid for sure.

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So moving aside from the actual trade and then also

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now with this risk injury, he's dealing with what are

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like sort of your early impressions of Derek Queen.

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Speaker 2: I was a big fan watching him throughout the season

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in college. He was just one of those players who

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every time he stepped out on the court, it's like,

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oh my god, he's doing something incredibly fun at his

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size that a lot of players just typically don't do.

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He also just produced in terms of like points, rebounds,

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like assists, and he had a really good impact on

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that Maryland team. And obviously you know he hit that

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game winner. Hold on, am I blanking who it was against?

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But anyways, he came up big in moments that mattered

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against that team, and he was a very fun watch. However,

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he he comes with a lot of we're gonna frame

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it as improvement areas because we don't know what is

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ultimately going to look like. But a big improven area

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for him is conditioning, and the conditioning allowing him to

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run that motor hotter than it's a bit in terms

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of getting back in transition or simply getting down in

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the stance and guarding someone or making a rotation, you know,

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going after making making multiple contests on a single defensive action,

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things things of that nature. I think he's gets really

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excited and really involved when the players are going through

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him on the offensive end. And you you kind of

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see that a lot with the young players, like okay, like

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they have the ball, they feel engaged, they're doing things.

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But in the NBA, the system is not going to

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be built or built around that player, and so it's

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going to be imperative for him to find ways to

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contribute and contribute with a ton of effort when in

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Italy the ball is going through Zion Williamson or Jordan

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Poole or Trey Murphy or whoever right, or even Jeremiah Fears,

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who is his rookie classmate.

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Speaker 1: The my impressions of him are just based entirely off

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Summer League, and I go entirely off vibes during so

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I don't care about the efficiency, I buind large, don't

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care about the turnovers. I'm excited about the stuff that

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as just a big man with his size that it

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looks like he can do with a live driple, even

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if there's room for the handle improvement, even if there's

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room for the processing speed on his passes, I think

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that he's gonna end up being a really, really good

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offensive player in the NBA. And if there's you know,

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if he has if he's able to expand out to

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the three point line consistently, that's going to make him

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even more dangerous. I'm curious about the conditioning stuff, just

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because I know everyone was not happy with the transition

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defense or defense overall in Summer League, but as like

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an actual player. I am super intrigued by him. I'm also, though,

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just curious, like what do you make of his fit

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with Zion Williamson. And it's not to say you already

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mentioned the top that the Pelicans view Zion as the

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entire future of the organization. Necessarily, I go back and

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forth on like there feels like I don't want to

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say redundancies, but problem areas, and then I go back

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and look at all like the other bigs that Zion

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has played alongside his career, and then part of me

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is can't bring myself to care.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're spot on with that assessment that

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I think Zion is so talented that he finds a

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work like Excel with any any kind of big And frankly,

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stretch big, so we can't know that for sure what

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that looks like. But I think Zion to this date

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has been at his best when he's paired with a

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big that can rebound the crap out of the ball,

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like just someone that inhales rebounds. Because that is a

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weakness for Zion, and that is a strength for Derek Queen.

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He was one of the leading rebounders in all of

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Summer League despite being out of shit. You know, I

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think he averaged a double double in the short time

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he had before his risk got injured. And it was

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mind boggling watching him. You're like, oh my god, this

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dude's like not moving on the court and you look

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up and it's like, all right, he fell into fifteen

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and thirteen. Like you know, it's like, so that that's

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the level of talent that you're working with. So I

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think offensively, it's going to be just fine. Zion has

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had no issues with the spacing with regards to those bigs.

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And what's Gonnaevi'll be happened is I think it's gonna

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be it's gonna force other teams to play bigger and

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it's gonna be tougher to guard Zion with smaller players

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because when they run actions evolving those too, you're not

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to switch it. And that's a lot of physicality that

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you have to deal with because both players love, love,

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love just banging around in the pain and it's not

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from standstill positions like they're posting up. They like they're

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driving and throwing their shoulders around, you know, and so

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it's gonna be tough for a lot of teams to

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deal with. And I don't think we're gonna see it

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for thirty minutes tonight, but it'd be nice to kind

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of introduce that early on and grow into it. If

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Zion is your future, which I think is more of

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a marketing scheme than anything else. If Zion is your future,

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and those are guys you invest in heavily, then it

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is like an organizational responsibility to play them together and

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go through the trials and trivia of figuring out if

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they work or not. Because ultimately, what you're doing is

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these are bets on extreme right tail outcomes. The right

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tail outcome that Zion is going to stay healthy and

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produce at the level that he's capable of. The right

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tail outcome that Derek Queen is a top five player

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in both of these drafts, the right tail outcome that

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Queen is I mean, sorry, Fears is someone that is

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also a top five player, because that is a valuation

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they had on him. And so it's like, cool, if

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all of these ceilings hit, yeah, this could end up

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being incredible, And now you're locked into a core that

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is frightening the match up again, but it's the floor

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is just as low like it is, if not lower,

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the floor is just as low with this grouping.

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Speaker 1: What I also find fascinating about this is because they're

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at least incentivized. I won't even say internally, it just

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seems again the trade, the read is that they think

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they're going to be pretty good. What type of role

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do you expect when he's healthy Derek Queen to have

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on this team out of the gate during his rookie season,

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knowing that there's at least a mode of of immediate

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expectations in the building.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's super tough because there is a whole Willy

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Green factor that is going to come into play here. Green.

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Speaker 1: You tell me Willy Green doesn't always want to play

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his young players. Is that.

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Speaker 2: Surprising, especially if they don't play defense, which is like, Look,

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Green is in a tough situation heading into this season.

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He is entering the final year of his contract.

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Speaker 1: And didn't he just get an extension in twenty twenty

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four too? So was it just like we tacked on

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a year? I thought that was the reporting.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they had some like option Well the extension, I

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think the report came on in twenty four the extension

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like happened like in the past before that report came out,

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and it was just like, oh, by the way, he

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got extended, But it was one of those things where

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when they made the playoffs, they like triggered like additional

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years and things of that nature. And so like, he

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has one year left and there is another option actually

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at the at the end of this year, so they

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could technically pick up that option and have it two

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years left. But to my knowledge, that option has not

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been picked up, and so he's heading into the season

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as a lame duck to my understanding, and I'll stand

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by this reporting. He has been mandated by Gail Benson

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to Joe Dumars that you have to keep him around

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for now. For now is key because I can see

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world where things don't start off great in the middle

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of the season and Willie's gone. And so I think

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Willy is probably aware at this point he's coaching for

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his job. And if he's coaching for his job, is

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he going to play the rookies? I don't know, because

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coaching for your job could also mean listening to your

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bosses and playing the rookies. Because they're telling you to

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play the rookies. So he is in a very I

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think he's in a no win situation because he has

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the expectations of delivering wins and being a competitive team,

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especially because they don't have their pick this year, and

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he's been handed these two rookies that are not the

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style of players that he typically enjoys playing, you know,

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the rookie that he's given a lot of minutes to

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at the Gator, like the Dyson Daniels and Herb Jones

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of the world, where he's like, I'm gonna throw you

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out there, and I know you're gonna be great defensively

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and we'll figure out the rest where it's it's now.

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These are two very, very very talented, offensively talented rookies

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that you know. Typically Willie Green's approach on offense holistically

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has been We're just gonna let our stars cook, and

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that's not uncommon in the NBA. Likely that's a lot

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of times that's what it boils down to. But he's

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going to be tasked to bring more out of the

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roster offensively, which I think has fallen short with regards

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to the talent that's been on the team in years past,

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and so yeah, if he can't deliver on that, I

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can just see a you know, you're three weeks into

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the season and the seats getting really really hot.

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Speaker 1: Jeremiah Fears early impressions of him maybe extending beyond I mean,

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like that dude just has a lot of on ball thrust.

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Like that was clearly Evan and I come in with

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very little priors on these guys, so seeing him in

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I don't think it was like almost revelatory for me.

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And they should hang a banner for him playing in

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every summer league game. No other H Robbery pick did that, right,

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So I was not a Jeremiah for Hears guy coming

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out of the draft, But I think he's gonna end

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up being fine as a finisher around the rim, and

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some of the shots he can get off are incredible,

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and just again, that odd ball speed is insane.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Look, I think the theme with Fears and Queen

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is that they've taken these talent plays on dudes who

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aren't traditionally like in terms of like their size and

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position and role successful NBA players like right now, like

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they're not in like in vote, like like teams are

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moving away from the small guard who can't really shoot.

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Teams are moving away from that positionless big who doesn't

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really play defense at either position, so like they want versatility,

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they want size, they want mobility, and these two players

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are very much bucking that trend of like, no, we're

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gonna we believe that these players are going to be

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so good that they're going to contribute it with fears.

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I'm actually pretty optimistic with him. I think there are

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two trades that are really inspiring to me, one of

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which we didn't see too much in some league. But

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the first trade is he gets to the free throw

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line like a menace, and he shoots really, really well,

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and I think that is a prerequisite if you want

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to be a star in this league. But as a prerequisite,

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if you're a small guard, you have to live at

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the line. You have to find a way to score

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points that inevitably doesn't involve you shooting a bunch of

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touch shots over seven footers with insane wings fans. The

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second thing is, which was more prevalent in college than

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it is that it wasn't summer league, is that he

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was extremely good in the floaters last mid range area,

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and it was more so like seventeen feet in in

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rather than like the long too, he would get two

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feet in the paint. His drive threat would be so

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potent that you know, he'd go defenses back pedaling. And

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he was able to play in such a shifty manner

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that he was able to get a good like eight

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foot or nine foot or ten foot shot like in

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the paint, and he converted on those at a relatively

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high rate for how young he was. And so I

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think those are two promising markers of the deep ball

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eventually coming around. And if that comes around, he's going

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to be a very very good player. If that doesn't

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come around, it's gonna be tough. I think there's pathways

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to being someone who stays in the league very long time.

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You look at Dennis Schroeder, He's not a fantastic shooter

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by any means, but you know, he gets to the rim,

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he scores, teams are still giving him money. Shout out

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kings Bro like good job. But you know, that's more

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of the prototype you're looking for at that point. But

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what's gonna happen is that that three ball I think

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will eventually make or break his career. And look we

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look at deer in Fox, I think Fox is a

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bigger and a better athlete than Fears, but just in

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terms of like they're now no presents. What really unlocked

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Fox's career, in my opinion, was not him making threes,

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but shooting a ton. And when you are on the

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ball so much, you have to have like a little

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bit of you go under. I'm just gonna pull the

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trigger and you're gonna do it seven eight times a game,

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because when you do that, you will have knights where

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you hit five and you're just gonna be unguardable, like

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for that game.

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Speaker 1: What do you have any like kind of strong or

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any impressions at all about what you think his ceiling

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might be as a playmaker, or the ability to develop

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some chemistry with with Zion, who again is best on

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the ball. But like if you have someone like Jeremiah

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for years, like I would assume the idea would be

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a run some stuff with the two of them together.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that is Honestly, I think I have

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more questions about that fit than the queen fit with Zion.

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I've seen Zion make it work with bigs. With regards

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to guards who can't shoot, they can, Zion is not

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the most willing pick and role player as a roleman,

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and he doesn't because he just doesn't view himself in

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that role. And so I think, look, this is completely

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me psycho analyzing, but it's not, uh, it's not reporting.

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It is a complete guess. But I think if Zion

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thinks he's better than the guard that he's playing with,

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like that's not something he wants to do because Zion's like,

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I'm the best guard, you know. But if he was

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playing with like Steph Curry, you'd be like, yeah, cool,

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like screens where you yeah, exactly. But so with Fears,

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I think Fears is going to have to learn a

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set screens. Number one, if you want to play with

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Zion and you're small, you have to learn a set

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screens because that is a favorable switch waiting to happen.

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If there is a center that's on Zion and you

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run an inverted pick and roll, and then now you've

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got a mismatch on two ways with someone as small

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as Fears, like then you can really like work a

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two man game. But with regards to playmaking, I think

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a lot of fears is playmaking is going to be

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derived from his ability to penetrate and to score. So

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if at the next level he is an automatic pain touch,

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then he will be able to expand on his playmaking.

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Do I think he's gonna be some genius level like playmaker. No,

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But like, can he get to like six seven assists

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a game just off of gravity and just driving kick stuff? Yeah,

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I think so.

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Speaker 1: Him. That's like the low hanging thrus if he kicks

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out like.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think I think he's actually a better

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interior passer than than he is, you know, a pure

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driving kick guy. And I think like he's actually pretty

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underrated because he gets again, he gets two feet in

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the paint, he'll go with like a little pump fake

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or he has a lot of shiftiness in a way

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that's like, you know, again, this is a terrible comp

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because this guy's the MVP of the league. But like

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you know, shake Gillis, Alexander has a very herky, jerky,

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catch you off balanced style, and you see that trait

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in a lot of again guys who live at the

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free to aligne Fears has a hurky, jerky, I'm gonna

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catch you off balance use. He has that change of

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pace that a lot of like speedy young guards don't have.

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So he utilizes that Ada gets the line with b

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to make into your passes, and so if you were

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a big man playing with him, he'll hit you on

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those pocket passes or throw a lob to you because

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of he'll get those two feet in the paint. That

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defense will come at him and then they'll throw a

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pump fake and get someone in the air and then

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that's either free throws or an easy dish. You know

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someone underneath and it's a dunk. So with that regard,

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I can see it working with Zion. But the SHOT's

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gonna have to come. I think that's that's that's really

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what it comes down to. The SHOT's gonna have to come.

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Speaker 1: The Trey Murphy hype train is soaring. I went back

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and watched some stuff with him. Because we're like so

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far removed from the season, I feel like I forget

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about players that I thought I had a good feel for.

478
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The drives popped, the ability to finish like at the rim,

479
00:23:55,839 --> 00:23:58,200
like on looks that he created for himself sort of popped.

480
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:01,559
What popped for you the most from him last year

481
00:24:01,559 --> 00:24:01,880
when he.

482
00:24:01,839 --> 00:24:04,559
Speaker 2: Was healthy, The big thing, I think you kind of

483
00:24:04,599 --> 00:24:06,519
touched upon it, But like I guess, holistically, it was

484
00:24:06,559 --> 00:24:09,680
this idea of like, cool, there's no Degonte, there's no bi,

485
00:24:09,799 --> 00:24:13,200
this is this is my team and with Zion of course,

486
00:24:13,279 --> 00:24:15,920
and so and you know what's funny is Zion even

487
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,799
kind of I think there's a postgame press conference. He

488
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:20,440
was like, yeah, like me and Tray are the guys now,

489
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:26,799
and he embraced that additional responsibility and offensively he delivered

490
00:24:26,839 --> 00:24:29,839
in a way that his efficiency didn't really dip, because

491
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:32,720
I think the concern with guys who typically take on

492
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:36,920
a greater offensive load, especially in non winning situations, is

493
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:40,519
that they're getting a bunch of filler or garbage volume

494
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:44,119
up and the efficiency is middling, and so it's like, yeah,

495
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:46,079
they might be scoring twenty something points a game, but

496
00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:48,680
they're doing on like league average or worse true shooting.

497
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:51,759
And that never really happened with Tray. And I've talked

498
00:24:51,799 --> 00:24:53,880
about this concept with Tray for a while. Is that

499
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:57,039
there's kind of this again, we talked about organizational responsibility,

500
00:24:57,039 --> 00:24:59,440
but there is an organizational responsibilities when you have such

501
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:02,240
an efficient weapon on your team is to find the

502
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:05,359
threshold where that efficiency drops. And they just really haven't

503
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:07,799
pushed those boundaries yet, in my opinion, last year we

504
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:09,440
kind of got a taste of what that could look like.

505
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:15,680
But yeah, I think there's just so much growth still

506
00:25:15,839 --> 00:25:18,400
left where it's like we haven't really hit the points

507
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,720
of Okay, he's taking too many shots and they're not good.

508
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,880
You know, I think it's just cool he's getting a shot, great, great,

509
00:25:24,039 --> 00:25:24,400
love it.

510
00:25:25,079 --> 00:25:27,079
Speaker 1: So what it's like the area of growth specifically that

511
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:29,839
like you're still kind of waiting to see if they so.

512
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:32,000
Is it just raw volume in general? Is it something

513
00:25:32,039 --> 00:25:34,319
with his own shot creation, passing? What is it?

514
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,039
Speaker 2: To be honest, it's more help from the coaching staff.

515
00:25:37,599 --> 00:25:40,359
It's it's drawing up because you know, it's a lot

516
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:43,519
of it's like he's had to create for himself and

517
00:25:43,759 --> 00:25:46,359
and just read and react off of what's going on

518
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:48,839
in terms of flow. But they don't draw like you know,

519
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:52,559
you spend fifteen seconds watching Golden State and you're like, oh, yeah,

520
00:25:52,559 --> 00:25:54,680
they just grew like seven threes for staph Or. Like

521
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:56,759
when Clay was on the team, it's like they had

522
00:25:56,799 --> 00:25:58,599
these set plays that you can always you know, like

523
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:00,400
when they needed a three from Clay is what they

524
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,519
were going to do, and they that just doesn't exist

525
00:26:03,559 --> 00:26:05,799
conceptually on the Pelicans. They have like one thing that

526
00:26:05,799 --> 00:26:07,559
they do. They run this little ghost screen at the

527
00:26:07,559 --> 00:26:10,119
top of the key, and you know, like Trey flairs

528
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,200
out and like maybe he gets maybe he gets it

529
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:13,960
from the ball handler, maybe he does it, but like

530
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:17,440
that is it. There's no creativity with regards to the offense.

531
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:20,200
So I don't think he's been fully weaponized in terms

532
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:24,119
of I just don't think the Pelicans offensively like work

533
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:26,359
in terms of pick your poison and so like I

534
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:29,200
would love for him to be truly put in a

535
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:32,279
position where the defense has to choose between you know,

536
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:36,319
some Zion Williamson action happening here or helping offer Trey

537
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:40,119
Murphy there or vice versa. And then that is when

538
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:42,599
I think you will see not only the Pelicans succeed

539
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:44,359
a lot, but like Trey, off course be a big

540
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,000
beneficiary because the number team's number priority's going to be

541
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:50,079
stop zigning every single time. That's gonna be stop the

542
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:52,440
guy that shoots sixty percent from the field.

543
00:26:53,799 --> 00:26:57,640
Speaker 1: Have you become exhausted by the trade trade Murphy, the

544
00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:00,880
Trey Murphy trade hypotheticals that it seems like he's been

545
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,759
identified as that next player that's not going to be moved,

546
00:27:03,759 --> 00:27:06,119
but that everyone's going to cycle through the rumor mill

547
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,359
of the intel very much feels like it's just coming

548
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:10,200
from another team where it's like, yeah, they've made, they're

549
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:13,599
interested in so and so, they've made, they've requested. Like

550
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,039
I just find that he just seems like the next

551
00:27:16,079 --> 00:27:18,519
player that that's going to be that other teams are circling,

552
00:27:18,519 --> 00:27:20,160
that's just not going to be moved. And I feel

553
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,000
like Herb Jones might have been that player too at

554
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:22,599
one point.

555
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 2: Everyone wants talented, multi positional wings, especially in Trey's case

556
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,759
that can shoot fifty forty ninety. Everybody wants those. And

557
00:27:30,799 --> 00:27:33,680
I think just covering a team like New Orleans, you

558
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,640
just get used to, oh, yeah, New Orleans sucks, like

559
00:27:36,759 --> 00:27:40,079
where can we send their best players? And so it's

560
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:44,079
part of the business. And I think for anybody that

561
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:49,480
listens to this, if a team wants to acquire Tray Murphy,

562
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:54,039
think Desmond Bayne type Hall if not more. He's younger.

563
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,920
The Pelicans view him as a pellar. Again publicly it's Zion,

564
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:01,599
but I tell you, internally very much urban tray Or

565
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:05,880
like the Foundational Pillars. So just putting that out there,

566
00:28:06,519 --> 00:28:07,000
what would you.

567
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 1: So I get what you were saying about the Zion stuff,

568
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:11,680
and it maybe be more of a marketing ploy. We've

569
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:13,920
seen what Joe Dumars has said, really building him up

570
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:17,640
and then talking about challenging him. What would you like?

571
00:28:18,759 --> 00:28:20,799
What would you do with Zion if you were running

572
00:28:21,279 --> 00:28:23,920
this team?

573
00:28:24,079 --> 00:28:26,559
Speaker 2: Is that before the draft day trade or after this draft?

574
00:28:26,599 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 1: They the Pelicans as they lay right now? What would

575
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:31,920
your beer approach to the ZIONI.

576
00:28:31,839 --> 00:28:34,599
Speaker 2: Because my approach would have been just ripped the band

577
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,519
aid off prior to that and commit to being bad

578
00:28:37,559 --> 00:28:41,319
this season. That would have been my approach. But now

579
00:28:41,359 --> 00:28:45,519
that they've positioned themselves in such a way that they're

580
00:28:45,559 --> 00:28:49,440
not going to have the liberty of falling into their

581
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,759
own pick this next coming year, I would say the

582
00:28:52,799 --> 00:28:55,720
approach needs to be go very strongly in the other direction.

583
00:28:56,039 --> 00:29:00,839
You have now made this enormous bet on Zion that

584
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:04,200
this guy is going to be healthy and good for

585
00:29:04,279 --> 00:29:07,359
the majority of the season, enough to drag you into

586
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:13,480
a playoff consideration playing consideration. I think it's delusional to

587
00:29:13,519 --> 00:29:15,319
think if they're going to be anything more than that,

588
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:21,440
but you should make the trades that make this team

589
00:29:21,519 --> 00:29:25,200
projected to be more than just playoff consideration, just go

590
00:29:25,599 --> 00:29:29,920
all in at this point, Like, I don't think.

591
00:29:29,759 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 1: You wrote something where you made the case for them

592
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,400
to double down and trade for Walker Kessler, right, I

593
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:35,680
remember reading that that you did.

594
00:29:35,759 --> 00:29:37,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, yeah, and look it doesn't have to look

595
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:42,720
Kessler's not this exciting name, right My my transcendent though,

596
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,640
trans That's my big thing is like I'm not a

597
00:29:46,039 --> 00:29:50,279
believer in the center position. The talent they have in

598
00:29:50,279 --> 00:29:53,319
the center position on the Pelicans, I think it'll be

599
00:29:53,359 --> 00:29:56,240
one of the worst center rotations in the league and

600
00:29:56,359 --> 00:30:00,880
so solidifying the rebounder or rimprit Hector, which I think

601
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:04,880
if you look at the Pelicans projected starting lineups outside

602
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:09,519
the center positions, there is zero plus rebounders. You know,

603
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:13,440
and if if Fears is your future, like again, he's

604
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,240
a small guard, you want the guy that to parent

605
00:30:16,319 --> 00:30:19,279
with that is gonna block everything and rebound everything. Like

606
00:30:19,279 --> 00:30:22,200
that's just how to make it work with the small guard.

607
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:25,880
See Chris Paul and Tyson Chandler and you know, see

608
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:28,759
Darius Garland and what's going on in Cleveland. Like anytime

609
00:30:28,799 --> 00:30:30,240
you have a small guard, that's just what you got

610
00:30:30,319 --> 00:30:35,039
to do. But yeah, so Kesler was just like cool,

611
00:30:35,519 --> 00:30:37,799
just you get you get him. He you know he's

612
00:30:37,839 --> 00:30:40,200
extension eligible or I think he's gonna restrict a free

613
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:44,920
agent next year. Pay him. You have your your defense

614
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,400
pretty much set for the next five years or how

615
00:30:47,519 --> 00:30:49,960
long you know. You give him that money for Zion

616
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:51,960
can absolutely work for him. You'd probably be the best

617
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:55,200
offensive reminding team in the league, and you probably would

618
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,359
with with Kessler and Herb, you'd probably be a top

619
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:01,920
ten defense like forever. And so that was my pitch

620
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,400
with Kessler. It doesn't have to be him, Just go

621
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,920
get somebody, some multiple somebodies. I think they're close. I

622
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:11,519
think they have like seven players by my account that

623
00:31:11,599 --> 00:31:16,839
are can be positive NBA level contributors. If you can

624
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:20,440
bump that number up to nine, I feel a lot

625
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,480
better about this team, especially if there's some injuries down

626
00:31:23,519 --> 00:31:26,400
the road. I think when they won forty eight a

627
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:29,000
couple of years ago, it was because they had a

628
00:31:29,079 --> 00:31:31,359
ton of players who could just step in when someone

629
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:33,839
got hurt, so like Dyson could step into a starting role,

630
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,480
Note could step into a starting role, Larry was there,

631
00:31:36,519 --> 00:31:41,880
and there's these defensive minded dudes who again competent NBA

632
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,720
players that you can trust be like, all right, they're

633
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:46,920
not the most exciting guys, but they're not gonna mess

634
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:48,880
things up and they're gonna play very, very hard. And

635
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:52,359
so I think that's just the Pelicans are not far

636
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:54,160
from being a team where I could I could see

637
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,400
myself be like, yeah, like this team could actually compete

638
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,720
for you know, the fifth or fourth seed, and you

639
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,960
could be very exciting, but they're not at that point yet.

640
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 1: Through the lens of this coming season, I totally understand

641
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:08,720
or that I'm just wondering, if you gave Troy Weaver

642
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,960
and r Joe Dumar's truth serum, is the hope actually

643
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,880
that Zion Williamson is this long term tent poll for

644
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:17,039
them still or is it more about the hope of

645
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:19,960
just again because what they did investing in these youngsters,

646
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,160
is it Zion, We're gonna be good enough this year.

647
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,680
Zon'll be really good and he will have trade value

648
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:26,839
after that season so that we can lead into more

649
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,839
of a wholesale overhaul again. That's what I find fascinating

650
00:32:29,839 --> 00:32:32,640
about this team is it just feels like there's warring agendas.

651
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:34,359
You can call it two timelines, but it feels like

652
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:35,759
warring agendas at play.

653
00:32:36,359 --> 00:32:39,559
Speaker 2: No. I think if you gave him truth serum, I

654
00:32:39,599 --> 00:32:43,799
think they would truthfully tell you that everybody's job is

655
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:47,240
easier if Zion is that guy. Everyone wants Zion to

656
00:32:47,279 --> 00:32:49,960
be that guy. I mean, look, they from a business standpoint,

657
00:32:50,039 --> 00:32:52,160
you're gonna you're gonna sell out this this stadium, You're

658
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:55,400
gonna get sponsorship deals, you're gonna get all that you know,

659
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:59,799
associated merchandising stuff. From a winning standpoint, when you have

660
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:03,759
a superstar, this roster construction so much easier. You don't

661
00:33:03,759 --> 00:33:05,920
have to worry about, oh, how do I go get

662
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:07,160
the guy? You just have to worry about how do

663
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,480
I fit pieces around this guy? So yeah, I do

664
00:33:10,599 --> 00:33:14,799
think that everybody would love Okay, from here out, Zion's

665
00:33:14,839 --> 00:33:16,519
just a guy that plays seventy games, and he's a

666
00:33:16,559 --> 00:33:18,799
top fifteen player in the league, and he's gonna make

667
00:33:18,799 --> 00:33:21,240
All NBAS and he's gonna start All Star games. Everybody

668
00:33:21,279 --> 00:33:23,039
would love that. Dude. Adam Silver would be like, oh,

669
00:33:23,079 --> 00:33:25,279
I can get these guys back on the national television.

670
00:33:25,319 --> 00:33:28,319
Speaker 1: You know, you can get the back on highlights.

671
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,319
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly, And then you know you could like just

672
00:33:30,359 --> 00:33:34,000
have crazy divisional matchups where with Wemby and Cooper and

673
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:37,519
John and KD. Now you know, like uh in Shangoon,

674
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,359
but there's a lot of star power in this division.

675
00:33:40,559 --> 00:33:42,839
And you know it's like that meme with the the

676
00:33:43,759 --> 00:33:45,920
three Dragons and the fourth ones just kind of dirty

677
00:33:46,839 --> 00:33:49,079
right now. The Pelicans are that dirty dragon, and I

678
00:33:49,119 --> 00:33:52,519
think I think you know there's a world where they

679
00:33:52,519 --> 00:33:57,000
can realize their actual dragon form, but it's gonna take

680
00:33:57,039 --> 00:33:57,480
some time.

681
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 1: I'm just already on record ruffle the time just saying I'm

682
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:03,160
going down with the Zion ship on the court. I

683
00:34:03,279 --> 00:34:05,839
just his peaks. Ion is just the odds of you

684
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,360
finding that and someone you've already drafted or anytime soon

685
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,400
is I'll go down with the ship on it, which

686
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,000
is why I just also why I didn't love their

687
00:34:13,039 --> 00:34:15,480
off season because it's just like Derek Queen and jeremih

688
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:17,559
Fears might work with him, but I would have preferred

689
00:34:17,559 --> 00:34:19,800
to have doubled and tripled down on guys that I

690
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,079
feel better about, like, oh, I know these guys are

691
00:34:22,079 --> 00:34:24,079
gonna work and that we're not try because one of

692
00:34:24,119 --> 00:34:26,760
Joe Dunmares's uh justifications, I think in one of his

693
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,519
recent interviews was these guys we can bring them along

694
00:34:29,559 --> 00:34:33,320
slowly like they don't need to shoulder too much. I

695
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:35,679
didn't see or hear the interview. I remember like reading

696
00:34:35,679 --> 00:34:38,840
a recap of it. And if that's the justification, I

697
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,119
don't I don't know what the I just don't know

698
00:34:41,119 --> 00:34:43,599
what that says about. What is your investment in Zion

699
00:34:43,639 --> 00:34:47,239
to that point? But I'm I'm going down. I'm sinking

700
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:49,199
or swimming with Zion like I just I know he

701
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:51,639
hasn't been healthy enough, but peaks Ion is just one

702
00:34:51,679 --> 00:34:53,679
of the most prolific basketball players in the league.

703
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,760
Speaker 2: Barn it would have been exciting, you know. You you

704
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,239
think about what they traded away. They traded away next

705
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:01,760
year's pace pick, which is twenty twenty four or which

706
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:05,199
is top four protected. Just that's it. That in and

707
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:08,840
of itself is a potentially absurd thing that they traded away.

708
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,320
And then you know their own unprotected pick. So and

709
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:14,920
then you have C. J. McCollums expiring contract and Kelly

710
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,559
Olynox expiring contract. If you took all of those things

711
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:19,760
put them together, and you're like, all right, I have

712
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,719
forty three million dollars in expiring salary and those two

713
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,320
super valuable picks, and I'm trading what could they have

714
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,519
gotten if they were like actually big game hunting, or like,

715
00:35:28,599 --> 00:35:31,599
you know, if they were trying to build the most

716
00:35:31,599 --> 00:35:34,599
competitive team around Zion. And that's a question we'll just

717
00:35:34,639 --> 00:35:36,800
never have the answer to. But I do think there

718
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,960
is a road not traveled where that's the route they

719
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,960
went down, and they're like, all right, we're going all

720
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,119
in on this this current core, Like we believe in

721
00:35:45,159 --> 00:35:47,679
Trey Murphy, we believe in Herb Jones, and we're just

722
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,440
gonna go and make some crazy noise. And I think,

723
00:35:51,519 --> 00:35:54,280
you know, I think there is a world where where

724
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:57,760
that team was going to be very, very formidable, and

725
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:00,559
at least the people in New World and they wouldn't

726
00:36:00,559 --> 00:36:01,880
have cared that you traded those picks. They would have

727
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:03,920
been like, we're a playoff team and we're super excited

728
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,679
to go attend these games. And this is finally an

729
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:09,119
exciting time in Pelicans basketball where it's like, you know,

730
00:36:09,199 --> 00:36:10,159
they're just going for it.

731
00:36:11,159 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 1: You mentioned the center rotation before. What were your rookie

732
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:17,519
year thoughts on Eve's mecI and what's to come for him?

733
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,800
Speaker 2: I thought there is it was interesting because I think

734
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,440
he's both ahead of schedule and really really far away.

735
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:28,440
I didn't. I didn't think that he would even be

736
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:31,360
able to play the minute load that he played with

737
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,599
the Pelicans because of all the injuries and still look

738
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,960
like he had pathways to contributing. I thought he was

739
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:42,039
just going to be completely lost. Where I think he

740
00:36:42,159 --> 00:36:46,679
stands to improve a lot, which worries me because historically

741
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:49,639
these are not things that you see guys really improve

742
00:36:49,679 --> 00:36:52,400
over time. Is again, defensive rebounding is a big, big

743
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:55,960
issue with him and Zion together, those units were I think,

744
00:36:56,039 --> 00:36:59,360
like zero percent talent defense. I'm not even joking, like

745
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,039
I swear it like bottom five percentile when it comes

746
00:37:02,079 --> 00:37:04,480
to like you go to clean the glass, it's like

747
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:06,880
the deepest shade of blue you will see.

748
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:10,639
Speaker 1: Yep, thirteen percentile defensive rebounding with those two on the floor.

749
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:14,800
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah there you go. Great? Yeah not great. Yeah,

750
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,039
So it's it's it's it's a struggle there. And I

751
00:37:17,079 --> 00:37:23,679
think Eve also his style of like contributing offensively. He

752
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:26,000
doesn't have the best hands and he doesn't really catch

753
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:29,559
the ball well in traffic, and so it's difficult for

754
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:32,559
him to operate in those short roll spaces, which I

755
00:37:32,559 --> 00:37:35,360
think is so important because inevitably, like Zion or somebody's

756
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:37,599
gonna get doubled off the ball, and if he gets

757
00:37:37,639 --> 00:37:40,719
thrown a pocket pass, it just takes a step too

758
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:43,119
long for him to do something within By then, like

759
00:37:43,159 --> 00:37:45,599
the defense is converged and he doesn't have the physicality

760
00:37:45,679 --> 00:37:51,719
to score over that. And so he is someone who

761
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:55,679
will if he can get stronger and just become a

762
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:58,639
better finisher at the rim. I think he was very

763
00:37:58,639 --> 00:38:01,400
below average finishing at the rim. He will have ways

764
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:04,679
to contribute. I just am. I think he's more of

765
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:08,880
a high energy bench big than he is someone that's

766
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:13,360
gonna be a long term starter and the great rim protector.

767
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:14,559
I think if you look at a lot of like

768
00:38:14,639 --> 00:38:20,559
advanced rim protection metrics, he was bottom three in in those,

769
00:38:21,639 --> 00:38:25,119
and so again a lot of it's just this constant

770
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:28,880
changing of lineups around him with bad defensive talent, Like

771
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,280
you can only do so much when you know the

772
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:35,480
perimeter players you have to work with. Are you know

773
00:38:35,599 --> 00:38:39,920
Alfred Payton found off the the you know the retirement Heap,

774
00:38:40,039 --> 00:38:44,079
you know the Brandon Boston junior, Jeremiah Robinson Earl, like

775
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:47,800
you know those guys are not in the league anymore.

776
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:51,960
Like for this season, and they played a ton of

777
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:55,320
minutes for the Pelicans, and so it's it's really tough

778
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:57,880
when you have a rotating door of guys just just

779
00:38:57,960 --> 00:38:59,559
going in and out and you can't build any kind

780
00:38:59,559 --> 00:39:02,039
of defensive cameracry. So I will give me see a

781
00:39:02,079 --> 00:39:05,199
lot of grace in that, especially being a rookie BigMan.

782
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:09,199
It's a tough, tough responsibility. But it's just that again,

783
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:12,679
impact wise, it was so bad with him that onas

784
00:39:12,679 --> 00:39:14,840
were so bad with him that it doesn't give me

785
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:19,599
much hope moving forward that this guy will be a

786
00:39:19,639 --> 00:39:21,639
positive contributor. I think he can get to be a

787
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:25,639
rotation level guy who again of the off the bench,

788
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:27,280
like you play in ten fifteen minutes a game. You

789
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:28,920
can come in and change the energy of a game,

790
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:32,880
but you know, the starting center in the Western Conference,

791
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:33,679
that's a tough ask.

792
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,320
Speaker 1: The finishing stuff bothers me, Like his rim percentage actually

793
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:39,599
increased with Zion on the court, which just lends further

794
00:39:39,639 --> 00:39:41,960
merits to Zion can play with any type of big really,

795
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:45,039
but even if you say he gets better hands, it

796
00:39:45,079 --> 00:39:47,280
feels like maybe in some lineups he won't be But

797
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:49,199
there's always going to be traffic when you're looking at

798
00:39:49,199 --> 00:39:52,280
the Pelicans like supplementary spacing right now, And I don't

799
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:55,519
know how they create like he can be table set,

800
00:39:55,599 --> 00:39:57,320
but I just don't know how much easier his looks

801
00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:00,199
at the rim can get until they again some of

802
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:01,960
the lineups. But like even on some of like the

803
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,159
better looks he had, it just didn't I don't know

804
00:40:04,199 --> 00:40:06,519
even what it was, Like what is like do you

805
00:40:06,519 --> 00:40:08,800
have any do you have any theories behind like, well,

806
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:12,000
why is this dude like so below average finishing relative

807
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:13,280
to other bigs.

808
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:16,639
Speaker 2: I just think it's simple as touch. I just don't

809
00:40:16,639 --> 00:40:19,800
think he has the touch around the rim, especially if

810
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:22,480
there's someone between him and the rim. But there was

811
00:40:22,599 --> 00:40:24,920
like again, there's plenty of times I don't know like

812
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,320
what the genesis of it is with regards to his hands,

813
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:28,760
but there's plenty of times where he's throwing like the

814
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:30,440
most pitch a perfect lob, or he's going for a

815
00:40:30,519 --> 00:40:33,599
dunk and he just whiffs it. And so maybe it's

816
00:40:33,599 --> 00:40:35,760
a grip strength thing, maybe that's something he needs to train,

817
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:39,920
or maybe there's some sort of more neurological thing that

818
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:42,320
they need to work on with with you know, like

819
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:46,719
like mindhand connection or whatever it is. They should employ

820
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,400
people that that can work on this stuff and that

821
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:51,760
make a lot of money. But and I think they

822
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:53,800
and I'm not saying they don't. They do, to be

823
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,360
very clear, they do. Uh. But yeah, that's something they're

824
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:58,159
gonna have to figure out over time.

825
00:40:59,199 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 1: Can you explain the bet on Jordan Poole to me?

826
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:08,679
Speaker 2: Troy Weaver knows him, like, let's move on. I mean,

827
00:41:08,679 --> 00:41:11,239
I think I think there is there is some some

828
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,199
more merit to it. I think they just think that

829
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:17,920
he has more burst and wiggled than CJ, and that

830
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:22,000
he has more he has his best basketball is ahead

831
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,079
of him in their opinion, And and he was in

832
00:41:24,119 --> 00:41:26,960
a situation in Washington where he was the primary advantage

833
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,119
creator on a team that did not care for winning,

834
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:32,559
and his play numbers kind of reflected that. And now

835
00:41:32,599 --> 00:41:34,559
you're gonna task him to be someone that is more

836
00:41:34,559 --> 00:41:37,000
of a secondary guy playing against the bet defense with

837
00:41:37,159 --> 00:41:40,320
Zion out there, there is a world where he has

838
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:42,679
the best year of his career. I could, I can

839
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:44,719
see it. But I think they just thought, like we

840
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:48,960
need we need someone that is capable of breaking down

841
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:50,840
a defense off the dribble, getting to the rim, and

842
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:52,880
that is younger than c J McCollum. I think that's

843
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:53,920
really what it came down to.

844
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 1: That's always been an understated part of his game too.

845
00:41:56,599 --> 00:41:58,719
He's always been a really good finisher at the rim

846
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:01,119
for someone at his position. If he's hitting off the

847
00:42:01,199 --> 00:42:03,880
dribble threes like he did last year in Washington, that

848
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:05,800
adds like a whole new element to the But like

849
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,679
who is the last like bet, like who's the last

850
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:11,159
best off the dribble three point shooter that the Pelicans

851
00:42:11,199 --> 00:42:13,920
have had, and like brandon Ingram really shouldn't count. I

852
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:16,239
guess Trey Murphy has a chance to graduate into that role.

853
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:18,199
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean it was it was CJ. CJ

854
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:20,800
when he would have because he scored fifty with the Pelicans,

855
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:23,800
I think a couple of times he said it definitely forty,

856
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:27,320
multiple times fifty ones, And anytime he had a big

857
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:29,760
explosive scoring night, it was CJ just going crazy off

858
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:31,159
the dribble, like that's what it was.

859
00:42:32,519 --> 00:42:35,599
Speaker 1: Anything on the Dejonte Murray timeline.

860
00:42:36,159 --> 00:42:39,639
Speaker 2: They haven't sent a firm update on him, but he's

861
00:42:39,679 --> 00:42:42,440
been posting videws of himself dunking and doing you know

862
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:46,960
one on zero basketball drills, So I think that's promising.

863
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:49,880
I would not expect him to return prior to Christmas,

864
00:42:50,639 --> 00:42:53,840
you know, even if this calendar year. But it doesn't

865
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:55,840
seem like there's been any setbacks, which is promising.

866
00:42:56,559 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 1: Who gets whose role gets impacted the most if and

867
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:01,559
when he does, we're turn when you're looking at Jordan

868
00:43:01,639 --> 00:43:06,760
Poole and Jeremiah Fears specifically, what does it say about

869
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:08,400
Murray's role on this team that they have both of

870
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:09,480
these players on the road.

871
00:43:09,559 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I think that's a great question, because that is,

872
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:17,280
you know, if you're really green, you're going to bring

873
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:20,880
one of those two guys off the bench regards to

874
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:24,719
Pool or Murray. And I think it's gonna be a

875
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:29,880
tough decision because historically he doesn't like to bench his vets. Well,

876
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:31,679
who he does like the bench is Tray Murphy. And

877
00:43:31,679 --> 00:43:33,400
I don't think he can get away with that this year.

878
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:36,639
I just don't think there's any world he can get

879
00:43:36,639 --> 00:43:39,280
away with that if he's still, you know, the head

880
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:41,039
coach of the Pelicans by the time that Johnaton Murray

881
00:43:41,039 --> 00:43:44,079
comes back. The other thing is that when they acquired

882
00:43:44,159 --> 00:43:46,159
Jordan Poole, like Dumar has kind of said something along

883
00:43:46,159 --> 00:43:49,000
the lines of like he's willing to do whatever is needed.

884
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:50,719
So I wonder if there's some sort of like implication

885
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:53,079
there that if they need him to come off the bench,

886
00:43:53,599 --> 00:43:56,760
he will, because CJ. McCollum very much was not willing

887
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:58,159
to come off the bench for the Pelicans and that

888
00:43:58,199 --> 00:44:02,000
as a conversation they had with McCollum, and McCollum was,

889
00:44:03,119 --> 00:44:04,800
you know, I think he wasn't wrong for this because

890
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:06,880
he was like, look, I've been like the most reliable

891
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:09,199
guy in terms of like actually showing up this stuff

892
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:12,679
and not being heard and being available and been like

893
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:14,440
like the role model of like every you know, all

894
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:16,480
these kinds. I've been like the most professional guy, like

895
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:19,519
I'm not going to come off the bench, and and yeah,

896
00:44:19,679 --> 00:44:21,400
Willie Green was like, okay, Like I guess you're not

897
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:23,039
going to come off the bench. Trade is, you know,

898
00:44:24,079 --> 00:44:26,719
And I don't think that's fair to Trey Murphy, but

899
00:44:27,559 --> 00:44:30,599
I can see why. Also, like McCollum being the president

900
00:44:30,639 --> 00:44:33,239
of the Players Union, I guess former now there's a

901
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:36,239
new one, right, But h mcoumb being the president of

902
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:38,760
the Players Union, knows very much that it okay anytime

903
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:40,519
he's going to get into his next contract talks if

904
00:44:40,559 --> 00:44:43,639
he's a guy that's coming off the bench, like those

905
00:44:43,639 --> 00:44:47,519
contract talks are going to be meaningfully different than if

906
00:44:47,519 --> 00:44:50,360
he's still a starter in this league, even though you know,

907
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:52,440
any team that's going to be competitive is going to

908
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:54,440
bring him off the bench. So I think there is

909
00:44:54,559 --> 00:44:58,639
some some smart politicking by CJ to ensure he wouldn't

910
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:00,880
come off the bench. And I think there is a

911
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:03,199
world where they're like, cool, Pool, You're gonna be the

912
00:45:03,199 --> 00:45:06,119
guy that comes off the bench, which, again, that's just

913
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:10,159
setting yourself up for tough conversations unnecessarily in my opinion,

914
00:45:10,199 --> 00:45:13,039
like the way your roster's constructed, you should proactively seek

915
00:45:13,079 --> 00:45:15,840
to solve these problems before they even become them, right,

916
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:17,840
So that's that's would be my approach on it.

917
00:45:19,199 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 1: The secondary wing rotation on this team feels like it

918
00:45:21,519 --> 00:45:24,000
could be rough because after Herb and after Trey, there's

919
00:45:24,079 --> 00:45:26,599
not a lot of bankable bodies of Sadik Bay coming

920
00:45:26,639 --> 00:45:30,000
back from the ACL injury. Uh is Jalen McDaniel is

921
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:31,960
gonna make this roster? Are they going to pull the mic,

922
00:45:32,079 --> 00:45:34,119
push the micro peebe button? Like what is this like?

923
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:36,920
Not that there's a solution, like what is the secondary

924
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:39,880
wing rotation or beyond Sadeek Bay, whom assuming is the

925
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:42,000
third most important wing on this team, Like what is

926
00:45:42,039 --> 00:45:43,840
the what happens here.

927
00:45:45,159 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 2: For thoughts and prayers? They they I do think they

928
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:51,360
believe in PVI a good bit. Again, this is a

929
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:52,400
Troy Weber selection.

930
00:45:53,599 --> 00:45:57,039
Speaker 1: He's and defensively, he'll get Willie Green's attention maybe like

931
00:45:57,079 --> 00:45:57,880
he will play.

932
00:45:58,079 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 2: He will And I think they need more TV types

933
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:03,599
on the team who are not gonna need the ball.

934
00:46:04,599 --> 00:46:07,000
They're gonna be low usage offensive players and they're just

935
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:08,800
gonna go out there and play hard. They need more

936
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:11,960
of that, the guy with the dog mentality. And so

937
00:46:13,079 --> 00:46:15,920
I do think TV is gonna get run. I think

938
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:19,920
he's gonna get his opportunities. The beyond that, You're right,

939
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,199
it's it's very thin and very sparse, And that's where

940
00:46:22,199 --> 00:46:25,119
I'm just like, going back to our conversation earlier, I'm like,

941
00:46:25,159 --> 00:46:27,639
if they can just get like two more dudes that

942
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:29,760
are just kind of slide in that, you know, like

943
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:34,360
all right, they can function like rotationally, you know that

944
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:39,119
that would be really beneficial for them. There was you know,

945
00:46:39,119 --> 00:46:40,599
there's been a number of free agents that have gone

946
00:46:40,599 --> 00:46:43,039
for like around the minimum that I'm like, you know this,

947
00:46:43,039 --> 00:46:45,519
this guy could have like helped the Pelicans. Wait, what

948
00:46:45,559 --> 00:46:46,719
did a mere coffee sign for?

949
00:46:47,159 --> 00:46:48,599
Speaker 1: He didn't even get to get he had a training

950
00:46:48,599 --> 00:46:49,599
camp deal with the Bucks.

951
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:54,760
Speaker 2: Wow, there must be something going on there, like with

952
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:57,159
with him as a person or just like in the

953
00:46:57,199 --> 00:46:59,760
locker or something. But because like it's hard not to

954
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:02,519
see like that guy being like oh yeah, like you're.

955
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 1: Our Discord calls him negative Tatum because of his off split.

956
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 2: Oh okay, yeah, maybe that's it, right, he's just a

957
00:47:10,079 --> 00:47:13,079
very negative player. Okay, yeah, I didn't look into his

958
00:47:13,119 --> 00:47:17,440
on offs, but yeah, so I don't be a team.

959
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:20,199
Speaker 1: I'm like very much trying to get Justin Champagne out

960
00:47:20,199 --> 00:47:22,119
of Washington because of how many wings they have. This

961
00:47:22,159 --> 00:47:23,639
would be a good Justin Champagne.

962
00:47:23,679 --> 00:47:25,199
Speaker 2: That would be a good trow we remove.

963
00:47:26,519 --> 00:47:27,840
Speaker 1: That would be a good I don't know, I would

964
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:29,519
like it. So I'm not sure if it would be

965
00:47:29,559 --> 00:47:31,719
a good. Try come in favor of it. So I'm

966
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:32,079
not sure.

967
00:47:32,159 --> 00:47:33,800
Speaker 2: It depends on what the cost is. Right, if it's

968
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:34,719
an unpertected first.

969
00:47:34,599 --> 00:47:37,320
Speaker 1: Round, first round picker, yeah, wait.

970
00:47:37,199 --> 00:47:40,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, look what's Kelly Ubrey up to these days

971
00:47:40,559 --> 00:47:43,119
bring him back to New Orleans. Uh, yeah, I don't know.

972
00:47:43,159 --> 00:47:44,760
I mean I just think, like, yeah, if they had

973
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:47,280
just like two more wings or I think the most

974
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:50,440
ideal solution, in my opinion, is they just again the

975
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:53,079
Attasis picks to the Jonte and they find a way

976
00:47:53,079 --> 00:47:58,320
to break that salary apart into multiple playable guys, preferably

977
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:02,280
one at the center position and one at the wing position.

978
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:03,760
But it doesn't have to be done all at once.

979
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:05,679
You just go get one and then whatever that remainder

980
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:08,440
salaries you can work with at the deadline or something later.

981
00:48:08,519 --> 00:48:11,119
But like, I think that would be the most ideal solution,

982
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:14,039
but require trading more picks.

983
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:16,760
Speaker 1: That's sound was gonna ask, because what do you think

984
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:20,079
their appetite is for making whether it's one way or

985
00:48:20,159 --> 00:48:22,719
the other, like reacting to what's happening in the middle

986
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:25,239
of the season and either getting better or either selling

987
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:27,760
off certain talent, especially when we know that they're not

988
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,039
going to spend a ton of money either, Like do

989
00:48:30,039 --> 00:48:31,679
you think that this front office is going to be

990
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:35,360
willing to look at the results and then like react,

991
00:48:36,119 --> 00:48:38,360
could they even be maybe like what you're saying is

992
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:40,079
like be proactive and maybe try and go do that

993
00:48:40,119 --> 00:48:41,760
now before you and see what's happening. What is going

994
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:46,039
to be their appetite for making transactions, especially after witnessing

995
00:48:46,159 --> 00:48:49,119
the reaction to the transactions they made over the offseason.

996
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:52,559
Speaker 2: I honestly think that this will be a change from

997
00:48:52,639 --> 00:48:55,159
David Griffin's time. I think would have just like let

998
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:57,760
the roster sit for a little bit and you know,

999
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:00,559
either try to find I think we have tried to

1000
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:04,960
win the deal a lot and and so if it

1001
00:49:05,039 --> 00:49:06,920
wasn't a crazy like win for him in terms of

1002
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:08,639
a deal, like he would just let that roster sit

1003
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:10,960
until it absolutely could not sit any longer and then

1004
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:12,320
they would be forced to make a move. Or I

1005
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:17,039
think with Joe and Troy, I would not be surprised

1006
00:49:17,039 --> 00:49:19,599
if like December fifteenth comes around, you're like, oh, they're

1007
00:49:19,639 --> 00:49:21,639
making a move, Like you know, it's like like, oh,

1008
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:23,920
they what Willie Green, Like James Rago's the head coach,

1009
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:25,639
and they're gonna go after this guy, Like you know,

1010
00:49:25,679 --> 00:49:29,920
I think this group will be way more willing to

1011
00:49:31,119 --> 00:49:35,559
fiddle with this roster, especially because most of these guys

1012
00:49:35,679 --> 00:49:38,119
pre date them and so there's not that same attachment

1013
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:42,320
to to to the moves, right, They're like, to them,

1014
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:44,320
Degionnty is just a guy on the roster, not someone

1015
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:46,440
they move Diyson Daniels and the other picks, you know

1016
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:50,679
what I mean? Like, so I would think that I

1017
00:49:50,679 --> 00:49:52,480
would I would expect them to be more active.

1018
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 1: Do you have any like strong feelings on the of

1019
00:49:56,079 --> 00:49:58,480
the only two younger players we haven't mentioned, or Carlo

1020
00:49:58,599 --> 00:50:02,480
Makovic or Jordan Hawkins, who seems like he's eventually gonna

1021
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:04,559
get the ceremonial salary dumb from this team, right, Like

1022
00:50:04,599 --> 00:50:05,440
that's where we're headed.

1023
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know Hawkins, I think there's a really really

1024
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:11,679
good case for him to be made that they should

1025
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:13,599
not pick up his fourth year team option. I think

1026
00:50:13,599 --> 00:50:15,119
the deadline's coming up on that soon in the next

1027
00:50:15,199 --> 00:50:18,760
month or so. And the case is that that's a

1028
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:23,039
seven million dollar option, and there's a ton of guys

1029
00:50:23,119 --> 00:50:24,920
this summer that signed for six million a nunder that

1030
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:28,840
are just way better than him. I mean, Delo La Ravia,

1031
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:33,000
you know those guys in Brooklyn that that got those

1032
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:36,000
twelve and a half million dollars deals, Sharp and Zaire

1033
00:50:36,119 --> 00:50:40,199
and all that kind of stuff. He there's his skill

1034
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:43,360
set as a shooter as a movement shooter theoretical because

1035
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:45,639
he's not been a good shooter since in the league.

1036
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:48,599
A ton of those guys went for the minimum this

1037
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:52,480
summer and last summer. You know, you have Gary Trent,

1038
00:50:52,559 --> 00:50:54,480
who is just a better player than him, and he's

1039
00:50:54,519 --> 00:50:57,960
going for the minimum. You know, Tim Hardaway Junior didn't

1040
00:50:57,960 --> 00:50:59,280
get a great you know what I mean, Like it's

1041
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:01,440
like that ar tackle player. I think they should just

1042
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:03,800
make that bet free agency and not commit seven million

1043
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:07,039
dollars to him unless they're just very much like, we

1044
00:51:07,079 --> 00:51:09,360
need this seven million dollars in expiring salary to match

1045
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:13,360
this trade. That's that's what it is. But yeah, I

1046
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:14,920
would hate for it to be, oh, we got to

1047
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:16,800
send you another second round pick to get this guy

1048
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:18,480
off the roster because we're trying to do some other

1049
00:51:18,559 --> 00:51:22,599
moves and no one but wants him. Carlow is super intriguing.

1050
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:25,719
I just struggle to see where he's gonna get minutes

1051
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:28,000
now that Queen's on the roster. I think that's that's

1052
00:51:28,039 --> 00:51:30,760
that's like every bit of investment that could have gone

1053
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:32,559
to Carlow, which I'm not saying is is the right

1054
00:51:32,559 --> 00:51:34,920
thing to do. I'm personally not the biggest believer in him,

1055
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:36,679
but like, if you were to be like, all right,

1056
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:41,039
this guy's an interesting athletic big who can shoot and

1057
00:51:41,079 --> 00:51:44,599
do some hubstyle stuff at the top of the key,

1058
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:46,960
like we're gonna give him, you know, ten minutes a

1059
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:48,800
game or something. All those minutes should go to Queen

1060
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:50,559
in my opinion now, like like there should be no

1061
00:51:50,599 --> 00:51:54,559
conversation about who gets those minutes because if Ion's healthy

1062
00:51:54,559 --> 00:51:59,400
and MEC's healthy and Looney's healthy, there's not gonnay minutes

1063
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:01,039
to go around. Because I do think there will be well,

1064
00:52:01,039 --> 00:52:02,559
it's something we haven't talked about us. I do think

1065
00:52:02,559 --> 00:52:04,880
there will be a fair amount of small ball being

1066
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:06,920
played with no bigs on the court, and it's it's

1067
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:09,239
like Sadek bay as the center or who you know

1068
00:52:09,639 --> 00:52:10,280
the center.

1069
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:15,559
Speaker 1: My final question here before getting in the lightning rounds,

1070
00:52:16,159 --> 00:52:19,440
what is their defensive ceiling? If you're leaving this roster alone,

1071
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:20,840
I actually think they're going to be I mean, they

1072
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:22,639
were dead last per clean in the glass, so I

1073
00:52:22,639 --> 00:52:24,360
think they're going to be better just by virtue of

1074
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:26,559
if you make more of your shots at the rim,

1075
00:52:26,599 --> 00:52:28,519
you can get your defense set and they were one

1076
00:52:28,559 --> 00:52:31,840
of the worst teams defending after missing shots at the rim.

1077
00:52:32,199 --> 00:52:34,960
But like in a vacuum, they are not making any

1078
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:37,719
more major changes. What is the defensive ceiling of this roster?

1079
00:52:38,159 --> 00:52:42,079
Speaker 2: If you told me Looney is the starter, I would

1080
00:52:42,119 --> 00:52:44,159
say they have a top fifteen defensive ceiling, if not

1081
00:52:44,199 --> 00:52:48,400
top ten, because Willie Green is actually good at making

1082
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:51,519
the team perform better than expected than on defense. I

1083
00:52:51,559 --> 00:52:55,920
don't think Zion. If Zion's in shape, it's not fair

1084
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:59,360
to calm a bad defender anymore. I do think that

1085
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:01,039
that as a narrative people need to catch up on

1086
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:04,000
in terms of when this guy's in shape, he makes

1087
00:53:04,039 --> 00:53:08,480
the rotations. He's actually very much committed to defensive event generation.

1088
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:12,280
Herb and Trey, I think you'll see a big bounce

1089
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:15,039
back from them. Trey's like impact matrics took a huge

1090
00:53:15,119 --> 00:53:16,800
hit because again I think a lot of those are

1091
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:19,119
highly sensitive to the quality of teammates that you play with,

1092
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:21,280
and the quality teammates that he played with wereres It's

1093
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:24,559
Abusino last year, and so I don't think I think

1094
00:53:24,599 --> 00:53:29,679
you'll see a bounce back from them. And then Pool, Honestly,

1095
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:32,199
I just don't seem functionally different than CJ. And Willie

1096
00:53:32,199 --> 00:53:36,719
Green made a ton of lineups work defensively that featured CJ,

1097
00:53:37,679 --> 00:53:41,639
Ingram and Valentiunis, and they were a top six defense

1098
00:53:41,639 --> 00:53:43,559
in back to back years when most of them are healthy.

1099
00:53:43,639 --> 00:53:47,079
So I do think if Looney is the starter, I

1100
00:53:47,119 --> 00:53:50,400
feel like they can be adequate on defense, mostly because

1101
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:54,440
Looney will get rebounds. That's the big one you get,

1102
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:57,199
Like if you're decent, if you're I mean average, you know,

1103
00:53:57,320 --> 00:54:00,000
defensive reboundingly, I feel so much better abou him becau.

1104
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:01,559
I do think they will generate a ton of steels

1105
00:54:01,599 --> 00:54:02,719
and turnovers.

1106
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:05,519
Speaker 1: Are you ready to enter the lightning round? Cookie cutter

1107
00:54:05,519 --> 00:54:08,679
a portion of the podcast. So we've talked a little

1108
00:54:08,679 --> 00:54:10,760
bit about various needs they have, But when you're looking

1109
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:13,480
at the roster today, what do you view as at

1110
00:54:13,519 --> 00:54:16,719
single biggest need the center position.

1111
00:54:17,119 --> 00:54:20,800
Speaker 2: They need a legitimate starting center who can play thirty

1112
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:23,480
five minutes a game and compete with all the other

1113
00:54:23,519 --> 00:54:26,920
strong centers in the NBA, who can rebound the ball.

1114
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:31,719
Speaker 1: You know, I get it, but like after you gave up,

1115
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:33,960
like to go get there a queen. It's just that's

1116
00:54:34,039 --> 00:54:34,960
weird to say.

1117
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:38,880
Speaker 2: I think Queen is like and at his peak, I

1118
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:41,480
think Queen will function as like a hybrid four or five,

1119
00:54:41,559 --> 00:54:44,119
and I think you will see him work like he

1120
00:54:44,119 --> 00:54:46,360
did it in Maryland all the time. You know, he

1121
00:54:46,679 --> 00:54:49,719
played the four, and he played very well off of

1122
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:53,599
his his front court partner. And so he is someone

1123
00:54:53,679 --> 00:54:55,559
that like you press the small ball or like I

1124
00:54:55,559 --> 00:54:57,639
guess Queen at the center button and like lineups that

1125
00:54:57,679 --> 00:54:59,719
you need the juice. But like over the duration of

1126
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:03,920
the game, you start him with a center, and I

1127
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:06,280
think you'll have the necessary play making and stuff to

1128
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:08,679
get that same thing with Zion, Like I just that stuff.

1129
00:55:08,679 --> 00:55:12,280
Speaker 1: I'm not that concerned with What is something about this

1130
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:14,760
team that's flying under the radar that you think deserves

1131
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:15,639
more of a spotlight.

1132
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:21,760
Speaker 2: I think this is actually probably not all that interesting

1133
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:26,440
to basketball fans. The thing that's that's flying under the

1134
00:55:26,559 --> 00:55:30,199
radar is that they are doing really poorly on sales

1135
00:55:30,199 --> 00:55:34,320
and sponsorships, and so they have a lease coming up

1136
00:55:34,679 --> 00:55:38,679
for the stadium in twenty twenty nine, and that is

1137
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:41,280
something that they have said over over and over again

1138
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:43,039
that they will address to after they're done with the

1139
00:55:43,079 --> 00:55:45,800
Saint side stuff. And on the same side stuff they

1140
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:48,400
just agreed to one on the Superdome, even though it's

1141
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:52,599
not been like signed, sealed and delivered yet. And so

1142
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:59,320
there's this very quickly approaching deadline on to do something

1143
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:02,199
with the Smoothie Center. And they did this assessment study

1144
00:56:02,199 --> 00:56:04,079
on this whine King Center shout out Christian Clark for

1145
00:56:04,119 --> 00:56:06,800
his incredible reporting on the subject while he was in

1146
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:09,800
New Orleans, and they found a ton of stuff in

1147
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:11,880
this Wine King Center that has just passed it's like

1148
00:56:12,519 --> 00:56:15,119
life expectancy, and those are like critical systems that are

1149
00:56:15,159 --> 00:56:17,400
past their life expectancy. Because this is a building that

1150
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:21,880
has been around since two two and three, so you know,

1151
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:24,360
most of the functions in there that are built to

1152
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:27,840
last ten to fifteen years most and well well pass that.

1153
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:31,079
So there's no real clarity on what's going to happen

1154
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:33,760
with regards to a stadium. There's not real room for

1155
00:56:34,119 --> 00:56:38,400
renovations in that building because it's built like a coffin

1156
00:56:38,519 --> 00:56:41,840
almost like it's just there's there's you can't there's no

1157
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:46,480
room to expand. So from the business side of things,

1158
00:56:46,519 --> 00:56:48,679
I think there's a lot of key decisions coming up,

1159
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:53,199
culminated with the fact that they've lost money on their

1160
00:56:54,280 --> 00:57:00,760
RSN deal transfer transferring from Valleys to Gray and they're

1161
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:02,719
not doing so well in sales and sponsorships. So I

1162
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:05,360
just think that that is going to be a big

1163
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:10,039
underlying story this season and like the next couple of seasons.

1164
00:57:10,079 --> 00:57:13,079
And I just until there is a more clear directive

1165
00:57:13,159 --> 00:57:15,960
from ownership or the state or whoever, and what's what's

1166
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:16,800
going to happen here?

1167
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:22,440
Speaker 1: Everyone's healthy? What's you're building a ten man rotation for

1168
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:24,400
this team? What to who's in it?

1169
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:33,280
Speaker 2: My starters? Everyone's healthy? Oh wow? Uh starters? I would

1170
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:40,400
go Dejonte, Trey Herb, Zion Looney bench. I would go

1171
00:57:40,599 --> 00:57:47,440
Jose pool Bay. So I need two more now me

1172
00:57:47,559 --> 00:57:55,079
see Mysie can get in there. And I think that

1173
00:57:55,360 --> 00:58:01,800
tenth guy I would give. I would toggle between Queen

1174
00:58:04,199 --> 00:58:09,159
Carlow and Peev depending on what they needed. But I

1175
00:58:09,159 --> 00:58:10,679
don't I really don't feel good about that.

1176
00:58:11,559 --> 00:58:13,800
Speaker 1: Did you have fears in there? No?

1177
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:16,320
Speaker 2: He said, everyone's healthy. I can't crack him into the

1178
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:18,119
guard rotation. If there, if my goal is to win

1179
00:58:18,159 --> 00:58:23,960
as many games as possible, Jose is playing. Yeah, he's

1180
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:26,320
an on off god. And and that's the minutes, you know,

1181
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:29,440
like that's that's again you're talking about like warring agendas.

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That's gonna be a big one this this year. You know,

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Willie's guy in Joase Alvaradola has a very close relationship

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there versus management s guy and fears. Who's going to

1185
00:58:38,559 --> 00:58:40,320
get those minutes? Because you can't play those two together

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you shouldn't.

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Speaker 1: This question is of course matchup dependent, but what do

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you think will become their go to crunch time unit.

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Speaker 2: I think it's going to be the small ball unit

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of Pool, Herb, Tree, Zion and Bay. I think their

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00:58:57,000 --> 00:59:01,199
go to configuration will be closing with no real big

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on the on the on the court.

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Speaker 1: I think that makes that. I mean that lineup could

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00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:07,840
be devastating offensively, and like you said, off it's peaks Ion,

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you probably get enough defense out of it.

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Speaker 2: I would think it's just the rebounding, so they have

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to live off turnovers.

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Speaker 1: Is there a weirdo lineup that you want Willie Green

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to try this season?

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Speaker 2: Pretty much anything featuring Zion and Queen. To be honest

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00:59:22,239 --> 00:59:25,159
with you, like I just go, just go humongous, right,

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00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:28,400
just go. I'm trying to think how you can.

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00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:33,679
Speaker 1: Go Trey, Herb, Bay, Zion and there Queen there done.

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00:59:34,599 --> 00:59:38,719
That would be I guess that. I mean Queen for re. Yeah, honestly,

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00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:41,320
i'd watch it aside from Zion. I don't know what

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00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:43,400
the creation looks like. But that's where you give Trey

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Murphy some extra license and.

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Speaker 2: Just not hand off the queen and stuff, right, like,

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let let Queen cook a little bit with that, and yeah,

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and and honestly like, yeah, it'll be a lot of points, Zion,

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00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:55,119
it'll be. But I really do think you can let

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00:59:55,199 --> 00:59:58,280
Queen cook with Like, if you want to send something.

1213
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Speaker 1: Up around Zion and Queen probably yeah, yeah, if Herb

1214
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:04,159
is shooting the ball like he's done, uh not last season?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

1216
01:00:05,719 --> 01:00:07,480
Speaker 1: Is there anything before I get some predictions from you

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01:00:07,519 --> 01:00:11,119
that we haven't discussed that you think needs Warren's conversation

1218
01:00:11,239 --> 01:00:12,360
before before we move on?

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01:00:14,119 --> 01:00:16,400
Speaker 2: No, I think we touched on the main stuff here

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for sure.

1221
01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:20,679
Speaker 1: So how many games do you see this team winning

1222
01:00:20,679 --> 01:00:22,679
and where do you see them landing in the Western Conference?

1223
01:00:22,719 --> 01:00:26,599
Factoring in the totality vet everything, injury risk, potential, trades, development,

1224
01:00:26,719 --> 01:00:27,079
all that.

1225
01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:30,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw the Vegas over Runner was like thirty

1226
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:31,800
one and a half and I was like, man, that's

1227
01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:34,880
really fair. I think I'm gonna stick with that I

1228
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:39,079
think that's that's ultimately where they end up factoring everything.

1229
01:00:39,119 --> 01:00:42,920
But I do think it's more likely they exceed that

1230
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:47,440
than it is likely that they're just an absolutely terrible team,

1231
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:51,280
like bottom three level team most for two reasons. One,

1232
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:53,480
I think to be a bottom three level team, you

1233
01:00:53,519 --> 01:00:57,559
actually have to intentionally try to reach those lower wind totals,

1234
01:00:57,920 --> 01:00:59,599
and that's not something they're going to be doing at

1235
01:00:59,639 --> 01:01:02,599
this junk. And then the other thing is there is

1236
01:01:02,679 --> 01:01:04,960
this hidden like, Okay, what if there is a panic

1237
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:07,079
trade where they go just go get a dude or

1238
01:01:07,159 --> 01:01:10,480
somebody you know, or multiple somebodies in the the season

1239
01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:12,840
might not be enough to bring them to the playoffs,

1240
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:15,599
but I think it's enough to take them out of

1241
01:01:15,639 --> 01:01:18,239
the bottom tier of teams in the league.

1242
01:01:18,679 --> 01:01:21,239
Speaker 1: I already see myself getting suckered into hitting me over,

1243
01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:24,000
even though I basically said after everything happened, I was like, oh,

1244
01:01:24,039 --> 01:01:25,119
this will be the first year I don't hit the

1245
01:01:25,119 --> 01:01:29,639
Pelicans over and get heartbroken. But it so is there

1246
01:01:29,679 --> 01:01:33,320
a team in the West, presumably a playoff team non

1247
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:35,760
Oklahoma City thunder Division that you find is a if

1248
01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:38,000
we're putting them in the Pelicans into a playoff series

1249
01:01:38,039 --> 01:01:41,199
with them that you find a particularly compelling matchup, or

1250
01:01:41,199 --> 01:01:43,280
maybe a team that this team matches up better with

1251
01:01:43,320 --> 01:01:45,000
better than people would expect.

1252
01:01:46,719 --> 01:01:48,159
Speaker 2: Who are we putting in the playoffs?

1253
01:01:48,159 --> 01:01:51,039
Speaker 1: First of all, Well, I mean there's the Thunder, the Nuggets,

1254
01:01:51,079 --> 01:01:56,199
the Rockets, I mean the Clippers. Harley Grizzly is in

1255
01:01:56,199 --> 01:01:56,679
the playoffs.

1256
01:01:56,719 --> 01:01:58,519
Speaker 2: What I'm saying, like, so, so you got the Clippers,

1257
01:01:58,559 --> 01:02:00,519
and then I guess you put the Lakes in there,

1258
01:02:00,639 --> 01:02:03,639
Lebron and Luca, Right, yeah.

1259
01:02:03,239 --> 01:02:06,320
Speaker 1: Golden States, Like even if you were a pick of

1260
01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:07,880
the Spurs or that a lot of people just have

1261
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:09,880
them penciled in for a playoff spot this year.

1262
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:13,760
Speaker 2: I would say of those teams, probably they match up

1263
01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:16,880
the best against Golden State just because there's no interior

1264
01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:20,559
protection on that team. The teams that I would look

1265
01:02:20,559 --> 01:02:22,719
for the Pelicans to match up better against are the

1266
01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:26,000
ones that have bad centered rotations and they don't rebound well.

1267
01:02:26,039 --> 01:02:27,960
And I think I think those are the ones where

1268
01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:34,320
But you know what's funny is Zion's teams play Minnesota

1269
01:02:34,639 --> 01:02:37,360
better than they have any business playing Minnesota. And I

1270
01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:39,440
think part of it is just like he just takes

1271
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:41,800
that rudy match up personally and he just goes and

1272
01:02:41,840 --> 01:02:44,039
scores over and over and he loves he loves playing

1273
01:02:44,079 --> 01:02:47,360
against hand. I think those two are very close when

1274
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:51,480
they view each other as high level competitors. So if

1275
01:02:51,519 --> 01:02:54,559
I had to pick a legitimate good team rather than like,

1276
01:02:54,719 --> 01:02:57,280
I don't know, but the Warriors, I would pick Minnesota,

1277
01:02:57,800 --> 01:02:58,199
all right.

1278
01:02:58,239 --> 01:03:00,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fair. I don't really have a good answer

1279
01:03:00,159 --> 01:03:03,320
for the Pelicans. I would find them semi intriguing. If

1280
01:03:03,320 --> 01:03:06,079
they're gonna play Queen and Zion together against Houston would

1281
01:03:06,119 --> 01:03:11,400
be an interesting matchup for Meston.

1282
01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:12,079
Speaker 2: Scares me because they have so many guys that will

1283
01:03:12,079 --> 01:03:15,079
turn you over and the Pelicans lack of ball handling.

1284
01:03:15,119 --> 01:03:18,519
It's just like, man, this gets Houston always comes in

1285
01:03:18,639 --> 01:03:21,239
and you just you recognize, okay, like outside of like

1286
01:03:21,239 --> 01:03:23,320
the main couple guys in the Pelicans, like they just

1287
01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:27,000
don't have anyone equip to deal with higher level of physicality.

1288
01:03:27,039 --> 01:03:29,719
And the Immoka teams are just like we're gonna beat

1289
01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:32,559
you up. We're just gonna the Terror Twins. They are

1290
01:03:32,559 --> 01:03:35,400
gonna come after you and snatch every single possession that

1291
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:38,079
they possibly can. And you know, meanwhile, like if reed

1292
01:03:38,079 --> 01:03:40,480
Shepherd's in the rotation, he's gonna be run around causing chaos.

1293
01:03:40,519 --> 01:03:44,440
And yeah, Houston, it's like you would think that they

1294
01:03:44,519 --> 01:03:46,119
might match up against just because people are like, oh,

1295
01:03:46,119 --> 01:03:47,760
sing who's not a good rim protector? And I just

1296
01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:50,280
think Houston's just this is a good team. US is

1297
01:03:50,280 --> 01:03:51,000
a really good team.

1298
01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:54,360
Speaker 1: And there's the whole don't want to play Luca or

1299
01:03:54,440 --> 01:03:57,880
Lebron thing, But like the Laker center's rotation isn't just

1300
01:03:57,920 --> 01:04:01,039
like solved because they have DeAndre Hayton. Yeah, now that

1301
01:04:01,079 --> 01:04:02,679
would be interesting, Like that'd be a team that I

1302
01:04:02,719 --> 01:04:05,199
think that New Orleans could really exploit in the pain,

1303
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:07,159
especially depending on what version of DeAndre eight and you

1304
01:04:07,199 --> 01:04:11,800
get right? Can I get one final Pelicans prediction from

1305
01:04:11,880 --> 01:04:13,840
Yu Shimidt. It can be for this coming season, it

1306
01:04:13,840 --> 01:04:15,639
could be wherever you want to take it.

1307
01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:21,199
Speaker 2: My final Pelicans prediction is Willy Green is fired before Christmas.

1308
01:04:22,559 --> 01:04:26,400
Speaker 1: It seems like fade a complete almost. I feel like

1309
01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:29,880
they've set him up to fail because of their expectations.

1310
01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:31,840
Then I know you said he's been mandated to be there.

1311
01:04:31,880 --> 01:04:33,880
I also feel like that's never a good recipe, is

1312
01:04:33,880 --> 01:04:37,159
to install a new leadership regime and not give them

1313
01:04:37,199 --> 01:04:39,559
say over the head coach and you end up in

1314
01:04:39,559 --> 01:04:42,320
these situations then where you're getting rid of him at

1315
01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:44,719
like the quarter season or the one third season mark.

1316
01:04:45,320 --> 01:04:49,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, legitimately, I think it's all like financial, like financially driven,

1317
01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:53,679
oh okay, from ownerships, Like I just think ownership is

1318
01:04:53,760 --> 01:04:56,679
very much Oh wow, we had to get rid of

1319
01:04:56,840 --> 01:05:02,000
Griff and these other executives swin. There's so much money

1320
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:04,960
that we have to pay because of this, and we're

1321
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:07,880
paying Joe a ton of man. Joe's contract is crazy.

1322
01:05:08,119 --> 01:05:09,920
They're paying Joe a ton of money. And so there's

1323
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:12,039
just like, well, if you get rid of Willie, then

1324
01:05:12,039 --> 01:05:14,639
we have to go through another search and then you know,

1325
01:05:15,599 --> 01:05:18,079
hire another guy that's gonna potentially want more money than

1326
01:05:18,079 --> 01:05:22,320
will he wanted. Willy is one of the cheaper coaches

1327
01:05:22,360 --> 01:05:25,760
in the NBA, and so I think it's just like

1328
01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:28,639
keep him around and then if you got to fire him,

1329
01:05:28,679 --> 01:05:33,559
we just slightly bump up the interim and you know, legitimately,

1330
01:05:34,840 --> 01:05:37,000
that's how I think they operate like there, And I

1331
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:39,920
don't think I have been proven wrong, but we'll see.

1332
01:05:40,599 --> 01:05:42,639
Speaker 1: This was great as always, Thank you for giving me

1333
01:05:42,679 --> 01:05:44,039
so much of your time. You're just able to tell

1334
01:05:44,159 --> 01:05:46,559
our listeners slash viewers where they can fine you in

1335
01:05:46,599 --> 01:05:47,559
all the great work that you do.

1336
01:05:48,039 --> 01:05:51,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can find me on substack at endthenoet substack

1337
01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:57,119
dot com. All of our podcasts get uploaded on YouTube

1338
01:05:57,199 --> 01:05:59,440
under that same channel, but I write on the substack

1339
01:05:59,440 --> 01:06:01,920
as well, and then you can find me on the

1340
01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:06,119
various social media's, primarily on Blue Guy to Fear the brown.

1341
01:06:06,679 --> 01:06:08,760
Speaker 1: Links to all that stuff being the podcast YouTube description

1342
01:06:08,920 --> 01:06:11,719
love in to know when you do podcast you, Jeremy Mason,

1343
01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:14,079
whole crew do a great job. Thanks so much for

1344
01:06:14,119 --> 01:06:15,760
coming on again and as you know by now I'll

1345
01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:18,400
be past joining you down live love it.

1346
01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:18,880
Speaker 2: Thank you again,