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Speaker 1: All right, everybody, welcome back to the Shirley Can't Be

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Serious Podcast. We are back again to talk about two

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of the biggest movies in nineteen eighty four.

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Speaker 2: Yes, we're doing our series on nineteen eighty four, and

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I just got to say, it may seem like we

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had some really great planning, but this is really just

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pure divine intervention that these things ended up this way.

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We're doing Brimlin's, We're doing Ghostbusters. We had planned to

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do those in October, we rearranged the schedule because the

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new Top Gun movie fell out, and so we're like, oh,

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let's put this with this, which stuck it in between

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Huey Lewis and The News and Born in the USA

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and Footloose and Purple Rain, and we're like, wait, all

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of these things are nineteen eighty four. What an incredible

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year this is. We're doing an entire six part series

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all things that happened in nineteen eighty four, and so

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this is how we have summer of nineteen eighty four.

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It's gonna be fantastic.

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Speaker 1: Last week, we hope you enjoyed our sports versus Born

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in the USA.

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Speaker 2: I thought that turned out really well.

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Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 2: This week we're going to talk about.

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Speaker 1: Really two gigantic movies that came out on the.

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Speaker 2: Same day, the same day. Again, we totally were like,

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what movie do we compare to Ghostbusters? Because Ghostbusters is iconic,

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and we're like, what movie do we compare to Grimlins.

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We're like, oh, they're perfect, They're comedy sci fi. Let's

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do that released on the same day. How we didn't

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even know it? Amazing, amazing. Okay, before we get going,

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I got a little bit of a non humble brag,

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like just a regular brag. Yeah, Okay, So I was

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looking and we are the number one film podcast in

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Brunei and Brunei and Brunei, na I don't. I got

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to say hello to all of our listeners in Brunei.

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Thank you for listening to us. We really appreciate that

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I do not know as much about your country as

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I wanted to, and so I decided to look it up.

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Looked up BRUNEI, sent you the information and you sent

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it back with the date of formation circled and what

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year was it? Nineteen eighty four? Nineteen eighty four. Was

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that a coincidence? I think not, so. Thank you, Brunei.

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Thank you to everybody else who's listening to us all

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over the world. We love you all. We've really been

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humbled by and overwhelmed by the amount of folks that

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we have taken part in this fun journey with us.

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So thank you very much. And without further ado, let's

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jump into Ghostbusters and Criminals. We came, we saw, we

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kicked it that you have.

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Speaker 4: Freaking Okay.

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Speaker 2: Since these two movies came out on the same day,

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I couldn't figure out which one to start with, and

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so as I was going through the note skin today,

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I decided, let's start with the one that has the

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guy from Oklahoma in it. Okay, Grimlins, Yes, all right.

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Speaker 3: Don't ever feed him after midnight.

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Speaker 2: Mister Hoyd Accident is from Oklahoma. We'll get into all

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of that fun history a little bit later on in

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the episode, but let's begin with Grimlins.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so before we get into the plot and different

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details and tidbits and stuff like that. Grimlins and ghost

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Speaker 2: I was shocked.

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Speaker 1: I know that Steven Spielberg produced Grimlins, Joe Dante directed it,

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and Chris Columbus was the writer.

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Speaker 2: These are three heavy hitters.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well they weren't at the time, they weren't.

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Speaker 2: Well, Spielberg was Spielberg, yes, but not Joe Dante and

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certainly not Chris Columbus. Right that the story starts with

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Chris Columbus And if you don't know, Chris Columbus is

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the guy who directed Ventures and Babysitting the Home Alons

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the Harry Potter series. I mean he's a big time.

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I mean, yeah, he's a big time. But at the

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time that this all started, he was a guy living

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in a loft apartment that was infested by mice. Just

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to give a little history, both his parents were factory workers,

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but they encouraged him in his love for film, and

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so after high school he went on to study at

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NYU's Film School, where he was the schoolmate of Charlie

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Kaufman and Alec Baldwin talked about a couple of guys

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that became vicators as well. Although he received a scholarship,

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he forgot to renew it and he was forced to

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take a factory job himself in order to pay for schooling.

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worked on this twenty page screenplay, which one of his

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teachers later helped him to get an agent with and

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that's how ultimately he was able to get the script

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that I'm going to tell you about in front of

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mister Steven Spielberg. Okay, so he had a roommate he said,

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you love these monster movies, why don't you just write

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a monster movie? And so at the time, he was

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living in this loft apartment that was infested by mice,

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and so he falls asleep with his hand hanging off

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the bed and he wakes up as he feels them

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like scurrying across his fingers, and he's like petrified that

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they're going to start nibbling on his fingers. So he

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decides to write this story about a house that is

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infested with tiny monsters. The original version of the script

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is much more terrifying than what we got. Mom's severed

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head comes rolling down the stairs, the dog gets eaten.

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Billy and Kate walk into a McDonald's and like, all

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the food's still there, but all the customers are eating.

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Speaker 5: It was pretty rough. But he takes the name from

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the little creatures his.

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Speaker 2: Dad would talk about, because you know, his dad is

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a World War two era eye so his dad would

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blame all of the problems with the car on these

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little Grimlins, just like Murray in the movie Murray Futterman does.

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Speaker 5: This is what his dad does, So he names these

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guys Grimlins.

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Speaker 2: Now, you may remember that there's some old Bugs Bunny

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cartoons that have a Grimlin in it. It's a reference

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to the old World War II thing that Murray Futterman

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would talk about, the you know, the big one WWII.

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Speaker 1: Right, Oh, yeah, for sure, I told you earlier. I

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am a lover of the old Looney Tunes, so I'm

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very familiar.

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Speaker 2: I think it was called falling hair yep.

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Speaker 6: A constant menace to pilot at the Rimlins brick planes

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with the Dieppo little Sabeji, This.

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Speaker 1: Little goofy, little green guy drives Bugs Bunny crazy and

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scares him to death and tries to crash the plane

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the whole time Bugs Bunny.

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Speaker 2: Is on the plane. Yes, one of the few Bugs

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of the cartoon the whole he gets worked over by

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: So, Chris Columbus, he lives in New York City at

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the time, and he's poor as can be, and he

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loves going down to Chinatown to buy stuff because you

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can get food cheap, and he's fascinated by all the

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little hidden shops and that's kind of where the okay,

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the intro to the movie comes from. And so while

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he's down there, one day, he finds a Chinese dictionary

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and he looks up the name for devil in the

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Chinese dictionary and the word is magwai nice. So he

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completes the script. He sends it to his agent and

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it is rejected by about forty five different producers. Six

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to eight weeks go by and his roommate comes in

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the room and says, Steven Spielberg is on the phone.

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Yeah right, okay, whatever, Yeah, you're right. So it's just

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like the Michael Jacksonaty van Halen story. It's that, hey,

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you know, no, this is really really he was really

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Steven Spielberg. So his script had ended up on Spielberg's

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desk in like this giant stack of scripts.

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Speaker 5: And Spielberg takes it home for the weekend.

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Speaker 2: And so this is where Chris Columbus looks at He's

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looking over these scripts and he notices the name, not

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the name Grimlins, the name Chris Columbus.

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Speaker 5: Because he's like, is this guy really Chrish?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's his given name. Is his given name is

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Chris Columbus. So he's like, that's what piqued his interest

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to pick up the script and wow, the Weekend reads

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it and he says this, it was a delightful, like

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a candy store full of devilish mischief. And so he's like,

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I want to make this movie. And that's why he's

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calling Chris and his tiny mouse infested home. That is

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a great story.

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Speaker 1: I mentioned to you that I thought maybe there was

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a connection to the Twilight Zone movie because Joe Dante

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had written and directed one of the episodes shown in

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the Twilight Zone movie. Steven Spielberg had produced the Twilight

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Zone the movie. Yes, there's the most scary impactful episode

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John Litkow footloose right, and there's the gremlin on the

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wing of the plane.

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Speaker 2: By the way, original Twilight Zone episode of that had

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mister William Shatner exactly. Now, Dan Aykroyd is also in

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Twilight Zone. The movie is connection to you, Ustbusters, you

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want to see something really scared?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean so I thought maybe that those guys

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saw that movie and thought hey, let's make a movie

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about Grimlin.

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Speaker 2: So I think that Spielberg definitely had a lot of

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influence over how the story went. It's obviously hyper violent

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ratedar movie, but Spielberg wants it to be a more

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family friendly kind of movie, and so he gets them

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to tone down the script. Now, I've heard that Spielberg

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had this kind of idea of an Et part two

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where these other Et beings come down to Earth and

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it turns out they're bad aliens instead of good aliens,

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and so it's this kind of Et and Elliott against

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all of the bad aliens. And so I think probably

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what happened is he took that concept to Chris Columbus's

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script with Grimlins, and it's like, let's make this the story.

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Speaker 5: Because Chris Columbus says he's.

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Speaker 2: The one who said Gizmo should remain a radio, remained

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the Mogwire, not turn into the Grimlin. He should remain

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the sweet, cute thing that we can all love throughout

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the movie. So he tells he gives this idea to

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Chris Columbus make it more family friendly. But important note

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here it's really still pretty dang violent.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's interesting that you bring that up because Indiana

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nineteen eighty four, so two weeks before Gremlins. Yeah, and

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there was already some of these rumblings about do we

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have a PG and an R and then something in between?

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Speaker 2: Right, Well, there was a big outcry, like after Temple

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kind of awful, bubbly mess, not to mention the blender

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scene and the microwave scene. So a lot of parents

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walked into PG thinking, Hey, I can send my kid

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in here and not even have to be with them,

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because PG just meant a babysitter, right right, and so

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pretty shocking. I didn't see it when I was a kid. Well,

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but Temple of Doom, even Temple of Doom, you've got

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to Jim pulling out a heart, yes, and which burns

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burns in his hand as the guys dipped into law.

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Speaker 1: It was intense, Yes, not to mention monkey brains and

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eating roaches and all that stuff that's upsetting the kids.

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Speaker 2: So whenever all of this starts happening, Spielberg is the

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one that speaks up and says, you know what, you're right,

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we should have a different rating that's in between PG

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and R. Why don't we do a PG thirteen so

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that parents will know, hey, this isn't appropriate for little kids, right,

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the kids should probably be at least a teenager before

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they watched this.

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Speaker 1: I read the article and it was so long ago

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that it was calling it PG two. It's like the

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sequel to PG gart. Yes, it's a little pgere than PG.

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Speaker 2: You know, PGG.

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Speaker 5: So you know what the first movie was that was

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rated PG thirteen?

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Speaker 2: Is it Red Don? You got it? Red Don nineteen

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eighty four? Got it? Yes? Same year? Same year? Okay,

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so Spielberg, then he's got Chris Columbus reworking the script,

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which he rewrote the script about ten times before they

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finally got what was the filming script. And so he

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needs now a director. As you mentioned, he had worked

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with Joe Dante on the Twilight Zone. As far as

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it was kind of like, he's our guy that's gonna

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direct this episode. So do you know which episode of

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Twilight his own Joe Dante did? Was it the Elderly People? No, No,

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it's the one remember the kid that's like has sign powers,

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I can do anything he wants. His sister has no mouth. Yes,

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Joe Dante had done this is interesting. He had done

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back in seventy eight, had done the movie Parana, which

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he fully says is a total ripoff, like this was.

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about Roger Corman. He was Roger Corman was the producer

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of all of the Gorilla Style. You know, let's make

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this movie for ten thousand dollar and we're still going

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to make one hundred thousand on it, So that's a

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ninety thousand dollars profit, right, I mean, it's just right,

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I've made one hundred movies and none of them have

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lost money, you know, yeah, but they're all cheap. They're

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own yeah, or knockoffs. And so Joe Dante was the

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one who did the knockoff of Spielberg's Jaws. Yeah. So

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it's interesting that later on he's like, well, you know,

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I liked the knockoff of my script. I'm going to

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put that guy on episode number three in the Twilight Zone,

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which was written by Are you ready for this? Yes,

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Richard Matheson Ah, who is the father of Christopher Matheson.

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one quick tidbit before I forget it. When you're talking

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about Joe Dante and Chris Columbus and Steven Spielberg.

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Speaker 1: In the process of trying to keep Steven Spielberg impressed, right, sure,

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on the movie theater in Grimlins, the Marquee shows two

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movies being played. One is Watch the Skies and one

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is A Boy's Life. Yes, and a Boy's Life was

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the Third Time yep. And he said, the only reason

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I did that is because I wanted to put a

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smile on STEVENS.

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Speaker 2: Bielberg's face when he was watching dailies. Right. Obviously, he

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did a good job on Twilight Zone, but he had

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also in nineteen eighty one he had done one of

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the two mega werewolf movies that we will be covering

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in October, yes, called The Howling. It was based on

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the novel by Gary Brander and it had been written

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for the screen by John Sales, who had been the

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Speaker 1: John Sales who directed the Born in the USA video.

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Speaker 2: Bingo boom, how about that?

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Speaker 6: So?

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Speaker 2: And also I just love this. So I came across

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this old video of Joe Dante and one of the

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actors and one of the actresses from Karana talks and

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he's talked, and like three quarters through he pulls out

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this little creature and says, this is one of the

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creatures that we use. He's kind of been out of

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shape because they're using him, like Phil Tibbott did all

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of our creatures for Piranha, and now he's using this

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in Star Wars too. Wow. Wow, that is so cool

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to go back to see that. So he had directed

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The Howling. It did obviously did well, fantastic movie, but

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it was it did make him a millionaire, Okay, he

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ended up directing some TV series. You know what this

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to the Naked Gun movie. Wow, that's fantastic. You know

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why he didn't have any money? I heard this? Oh no, yeah,

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tell so the reason why he was broke.

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Speaker 1: And kind of shockingly so after the Howling had done well,

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that company, the company that produced The Howling, yeah with bankrupt.

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Speaker 2: Oh yes, and.

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Speaker 1: So he was shorted on his salary.

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Speaker 2: I do remember hearing that. That's right, I've forgotten about that.

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What's interesting is he's got a huge respect for the screenwriter,

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and so he wants to make sure that screenwriter is

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there on set the whole time, which doesn't typically happen.

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he will cast the screenwriter as a part in his

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movie so that he can say he's, you know, he's

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on set as an actor.

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Speaker 5: But then he's got him there as a sounding word

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as a creative.

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Speaker 2: I think it's fantastic. So anyway, he is poor, sitting

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in this ratty office, barely hanging on, wondering where his

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next job is coming from. When Steven Spielberg sends him

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the script and so he and his partner named Mike

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Fanell try to figure out how to make it. Mike

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had also worked with Roger Corman before, but one of

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the first movies that he did without Corman was the

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movie Airplane, in which he is listed to the end

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credits as generally in charge of a lot of things.

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Speaker 1: That sounds like a Zucker credit right there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So Joe Nante Mike Fanell confer on this and

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they decide they're going to take this horrific movie and

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they're going to put it in a Norman.

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Speaker 3: Rock wall paint.

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Speaker 2: Nice. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: By the way, one of the things I wanted to

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mention before Steven Spielberg settled on Joe Dante, one of

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the guys that he considered as director.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Tim Burton, Yeah, I heard about that, but Burton

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hadn't done any full featured film at that point. And

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so no, sir, No, all the beauty of what Jodande

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has done here is this kind of juxtaposing of things.

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I mean, you've got comedy and horror, putting all of

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these devils inside of American It's like the nineteen fifties, right, Yeah,

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it's like November nineteen fifty five.

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Speaker 1: Remember Fifth nineteen fifty five, which when you watch Grimlins

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and you look around and you see that town square,

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if you don't recognize it, you need to go watch

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Back to the Future right now exactly.

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Speaker 5: I mean that was the first thing when I sat

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down to rewatch this again.

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of the movie, like I'd always it was all it

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was like when it was on, I try to watch it,

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but I never sat down and watched Scrimblins from beginning

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to end until we started to do this. But when

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that first scene started and she's walking through the town,

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I'm like, I recognize this town. Yeah. And when I

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when I you know, went back and looked again, I'm like, oh,

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there's the clock tower. There's a freaking clock tower right there. Yeah,

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it's like seeing my hometown. I'm like, hey, let's got

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the future. That's Hill Valley, Till Valley. Okay, we're ready

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to talk about Ghostbuster's origin stories.

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Speaker 7: Let's talk about ghost closure supports.

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Speaker 1: For whatever reason, Ray call it Ay, call it long,

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call it karma.

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Speaker 5: I believe that everything happens for a reason.

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Speaker 2: I believe that we were destined to get thrown out

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of his dump.

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Speaker 7: For what purpose to go into business for ourselves?

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Speaker 1: We're right.

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Speaker 2: So dan Ackroyd had started on the script for this

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one back in late nineteen eighty one, and it was

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supposed to be a project for him and John Belushi

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and Eddie Murphy.

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Speaker 1: Can we just sit and think about the movie that

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could have been that ulternate universe where a movie starring

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Dan Akrod, John Valish and Eddie Murphy as ghostbusters.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. When I first heard about Eddie Murphy, what I

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had heard was that he was supposed to be in

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the Winston Zedmore Park. It wasn't that. It turns out

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he had imagined him from the beginning. It was just

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supposed to be only three ghostbusters, and it was entirely different.

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It would have been that they were traveling through different

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times and dimensions. It took place in the future. It

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was a completely different script. It was a huge, huge story.

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Speaker 1: In fact, they said that if they would have shot

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the script as it was from dan Aker, it cost

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like three hundred million dollars in nineteen eighty four money,

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which is outrageous, I mean a ton of money.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So then tragically, as he's writing a line of

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dialogue for John Belushi. He gets a call from a

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friend who says John's gone, So he's passed away. It

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obviously costs away too much money to do the script

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the way that he's written it, and so once he

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talks to Ivan Rightman about it, they have a meeting

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and it becomes a completely different script. But let's talk

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a little bit about how Akroyd came up with the

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idea in the first place. Yes, let's do it, okay.

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Dan Ackroyd had grown up like in a family of

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mediums and seance parlor type of folks, Like his grandfather

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was a guy who had talked to people about maybe

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making a radio with crystals that could communicate with the dead.

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Speaker 5: I mean, it was a big thing in his family.

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Speaker 2: And if you listen to him talk about it, this

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is an incredibly intelligent guy who fully thinks that if

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we devoted more true scientific thought to the afterlife and

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communicating with the afterlife, that we could actually arrive with something.

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So he's got that background right, and then he starts

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thinking about all of those old ghosts like the app

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and Costello movies from the forties and fifties, and he's like,

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what if I kind of took those things and put

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them together. It took the much deeper and more factually

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based stuff and combines it with that silliness of going

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out and catching ghosts. So just like Grimlins, the script

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here was much darker, much more about the underworld. Although

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Steve Puff marshmallow Man was in the original script.

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Speaker 3: Yep, it's the stay Puff marshmellow Man.

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Speaker 2: You know who else was in the original script? Moogli movie? Yes,

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do you know who Moogley is? Fimer No. Moogli is

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the logo the ghost with the circle and the slash.

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He's got his name, and he's got a name, and

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his name is Moogli. And that that logo was already

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in dan Akroid's original script. That is one of the

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most iconic features of the whole thing. Did you have

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a button? Did you have a like a no ghosts

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button when you were a kid?

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Speaker 1: I had a shirt, yeah, that had the ghost with

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the slash threat.

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Speaker 2: I had. I had a button like a pin you

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know button, Yeah, that had the ghost the slash through

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that was covered in slime and it said I've in slime. Nice.

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I remember that I had it on my gene jacket

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that I had gotten after I'd seen back the Future. Okay,

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so Staypuffman appeared like thirty four pages in. He wasn't

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the end of the movie. Like I said, The Ghostbusters

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were traveling through.

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Speaker 5: Multiple times and dimensions.

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Speaker 2: And he's diving into his upbringing with these mediums and

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spiritualists and he goes really deep. So his dad, Peter Ackroid,

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actually has a book called a History of Ghosts and

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he describes his childhood as a family seance parlor. His grandfather,

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doctor Samuel Ackroyd, actually worked with Samuel Morris on the

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possibility of creating a telegraph that would use vibrating crystals

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that could communicate with the dead, the radio for speaking

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to God. So he's got this script and Ivan Rightman

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takes a look at it and he's like, you know what,

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let's have lunch. They go to a deli. He's like, Okay,

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we can't make this script, right, how about this? How

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about it to going into business for ourselves kind of script?

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And he talks to him about the idea, right yeah,

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And then he's like, and maybe we bring over Harold

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and have him help out with the rewriting of the script.

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Ivan Rightman, now he's like, got Dan Akroid's idea. He

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knows Acroage's willing to work around with it, so he

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has to make a pitch to Columbia to get the

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movie made. So he doesn't pitch Dan's script. He pitches

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the storyline as he's envisioned it, but he doesn't have

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the script yet, and so Frank Price from Columbia says, okay,

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seems interesting. How much to make it? And Ivan Rightman says,

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I had no idea, so I thought, okay, the one

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successful movie that I've done so far as Stripes, and

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it costs ten million, so this will be three of those.

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and then Frank Pryce says, okay, we'll do it, just

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need you to have it released by June of eighty four.

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Ivan Rightman hangs up the phone and he's thinking, yeah,

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they said yes, And then he's thinking, oh crap, we

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only have thirteen months to release and we don't have

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a script, we don't have a special effects team.

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Speaker 5: And we don't have all of our stars yet.

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Speaker 2: Don't get busy. Yeah, okay, no special effects team ILM

469
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is involved with this other movie that's being made at the.

470
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Speaker 1: Time, Indiana Jones of the Tembla Doom Yes, yeah, kind

471
00:24:42,519 --> 00:24:43,400
of a big deal.

472
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:46,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, and consumed ILM. So they have to come up

473
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:52,000
with their own special effects team. So Columbia fronts Richard Edlund,

474
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who had been with ILM and who was ready to

475
00:24:55,039 --> 00:24:57,200
get out and do something on his own. They front

476
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him five million dollars as a part of the thirty

477
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million to have him start his own special effects company,

478
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which becomes Boss Films.

479
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Speaker 5: Throw back to Fright Night.

480
00:25:08,079 --> 00:25:11,160
Speaker 2: They are the guys who, right after Ghostbusters, took all

481
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of their stuff and went over and made Fright Night. Nice.

482
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:17,200
So here's some new stuff that I discovered on Richard Edlin.

483
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:21,839
Right his first filmmaking job, he was hired as a

484
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cameraman by John Dykstra for the movie Star Wars. Nice. Yeah,

485
00:25:26,599 --> 00:25:30,039
So throw back to our Caddyshack episode John Dykstra in

486
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:33,599
the you know, in addition to being like gigantic in allthings,

487
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he was also the guy that created the gopher for Caddyshack,

488
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:40,319
the dancing goverh Okay, So but get this, here's the

489
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deep deep, here's the hope. This blows your mind. You're ready, Rea. Okay, So,

490
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Richard Edlin, the guy who did all of the special

491
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:50,960
effects for Ghostbusters and all of the special effects for

492
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Fright Night, was married to a woman named Rita Cogan

493
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who was the daughter of Michael Cogan, who was the

494
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founder of Tauch And if you don't recognize that name,

495
00:26:02,279 --> 00:26:07,200
it's the company that did Space Invaders. Mind blown. That's

496
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that's awesome. I mean, I mean, how that's pretty close.

497
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So go back to throw back again, throw back to

498
00:26:12,839 --> 00:26:15,359
our history of video games episodes. Go check that out

499
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:17,519
so you can hear the whole history of Space Invaders there.

500
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That is amazing. Okay, so we know that the movie

501
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is called Ghostbusters, Yes, but it wasn't going to be

502
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called Ghostbusters.

503
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, there were multiple names.

504
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:29,440
Speaker 2: But do you know why.

505
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:35,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, because there was an old, stupid seventies television show

506
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and cartoon yep called Ghostbusters.

507
00:26:37,279 --> 00:26:42,680
Speaker 3: Yeah you know that.

508
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:50,880
Speaker 7: I'm calling gouss.

509
00:26:54,039 --> 00:26:58,680
Speaker 2: The Ghostbusters nineteen seven seventies children's show that was owned

510
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by Universal. Remember, Columbia is the one that's trying to

511
00:27:01,279 --> 00:27:03,920
do it, and they keep trying to get the rights

512
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:07,440
from Universal, and Universal says, no, Ryan, you've got a

513
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,119
really great movie, and I don't want you to have

514
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:11,839
a great title. You know, we're competitors, right, right, And

515
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:17,359
so options for other names included ghost Stoppers, ghost breakers, Yes,

516
00:27:17,559 --> 00:27:21,079
ghost smashers. This is going on while they're filming, right,

517
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:24,400
They still don't they're not sure. And so that scene

518
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:28,000
where the crowd is chanting Ghostbusters, ghosts, they had to

519
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:32,200
have them chant ghost breakers sucked. It sucked. You know.

520
00:27:32,279 --> 00:27:35,200
It's like the guy, the second unit guy is like

521
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,440
calling up. He's like, listen to this, and he's like,

522
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:39,920
it's terrible. We have to have Ghostbusters. And so from

523
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,319
that point on they're just like, it's gonna be Ghostbusters.

524
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I don't know what's gonna happen, but it's gonna be Ghostbusters.

525
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:46,039
Speaker 1: Ghostbusters. What do you want?

526
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Speaker 2: Well, as it turns out, Frank Price did have enough

527
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:53,200
of Columbia. He was done with them during the filming

528
00:27:53,279 --> 00:27:57,119
of Ghostbusters, and he just happened to become the head

529
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:03,039
of another studio called Universal, at which point he sold

530
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:07,200
Columbia the title for five hundred thousand dollars plus one

531
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:12,440
percent of film's profits. Nice job. Given Hollywood's accounting practices.

532
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,119
The film technically never made a profit. But that's just

533
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:16,240
the way that that works.

534
00:28:16,279 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 1: You can side note, Yes, thirty million or so budget

535
00:28:20,039 --> 00:28:23,920
for Ghostbusters. Yeah, it made two hundred ninety five million dollars. Wow,

536
00:28:24,079 --> 00:28:26,160
is the second biggest movie of nineteen eighty four.

537
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Speaker 2: First movie. Okay, so here's my tie in. You ready

538
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:30,400
for this?

539
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:30,799
Speaker 3: Yeah?

540
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,319
Speaker 2: Okay. If you lived in nineteen eighty.

541
00:28:33,079 --> 00:28:35,160
Speaker 1: Four, it was this huge phenomenon, right, it was the

542
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,519
gigantic movie of nineteen eighty four. And for me, when

543
00:28:38,559 --> 00:28:40,880
I saw that it was the second biggest movie of

544
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,200
eighty four, I'm like, what the crap?

545
00:28:43,559 --> 00:28:46,279
Speaker 2: Was bigger? Right? Okay in nineteen eighty four?

546
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:50,599
Speaker 1: Right, Well, remember the third Ghostbuster originally Eddie Murphy. He

547
00:28:50,759 --> 00:28:55,039
left Ghostbusters to go make this little movie called Beverly

548
00:28:55,079 --> 00:28:57,240
Hills comp Now, that didn't come out until December of

549
00:28:57,319 --> 00:29:00,279
eighty four, right, but technically because it was at least

550
00:29:00,279 --> 00:29:02,799
in eighty four at all, and all of the products.

551
00:29:02,839 --> 00:29:04,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, that makes sense.

552
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,519
Speaker 1: Okay, So you talk about the Ghostbuster's name that was

553
00:29:07,599 --> 00:29:11,079
owned by that seventies show that I was telling you about.

554
00:29:11,759 --> 00:29:15,119
The company was named Filmation, Yeah, okay, which you may

555
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,960
recognize as they produced the TV show the animated show.

556
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Speaker 2: He man, Oh yeah, that's right, right. Yeah.

557
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:25,519
Speaker 1: So at one point the biggest opponents to Ghostbusters were

558
00:29:25,559 --> 00:29:26,880
Coca Cola and he.

559
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 2: Man, it's an eighties battle to end all that I

560
00:29:31,799 --> 00:29:33,079
have the power. Okay.

561
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Speaker 1: So one of the things I wanted to mention the

562
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:38,359
originally both of these movies were intended to be more

563
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adult movies, like they were supposed to be R rated,

564
00:29:41,079 --> 00:29:44,920
both of them. And Spielberg came in and softened Grimlins

565
00:29:45,319 --> 00:29:48,400
and then you know Ghostbusters. They ivan rightman, kind of

566
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:49,640
softened Ghostbusters.

567
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Speaker 5: Yep, yeah, no, I mean we I wouldn't have been

568
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able to watch them as a kid.

569
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Speaker 2: Nope. So talking about Harold Ramis, he was obviously not

570
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only just a very intelligent guy, but he was an

571
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experienced director, an experienced writer. He had also been a

572
00:30:05,119 --> 00:30:10,039
second city guy, and so his improv skills were on point.

573
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So the scene this is one of my favorites, the

574
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scene where Bill Murray where Peter Linkman comes into the

575
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,759
library and Egon is listening to the table with the

576
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out loud and he says, there's something that's not related

577
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:25,519
to this at all, but he's like, this is like

578
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that one time that you tried to drill a whole

579
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through your head.

580
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Speaker 5: You remember that, and with I mean there's not a

581
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beat missed.

582
00:30:31,799 --> 00:30:34,759
Speaker 2: That was an improv thing from Bill Murray without missing

583
00:30:34,839 --> 00:30:37,720
a beat, Harold raymis is like that would have worked

584
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:42,200
if you hadn't stopped, Like what's so good? Very good?

585
00:30:42,359 --> 00:30:44,319
So good? Okay. So I say all that because I

586
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want you to know that I hold Harold Ramis in

587
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the highest regard. But I found out some really interesting

588
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,640
stuff completely unrelated to what we're talking about, but it's

589
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:55,799
just fascinating. So in March of eighty three, right before

590
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all of this starts, like May is when i'mon Wrten's

591
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,400
making the pitch to Frank Price. Right in March of

592
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:05,839
that year, Harold Ramis has a close friend named Peter Ivers,

593
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who's a fantastic musician that's been connected with a ton

594
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of stuff. Muddy Waters had called him the best hard

595
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:15,880
player around. I mean he's a significant guy. Well, he

596
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:20,400
was found bludgend to death in his apartment, and because

597
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:24,559
he had this close relationship with Harold's wife, Ann, Harold

598
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,319
Ramis was actually a suspect in the murder for just

599
00:31:27,359 --> 00:31:30,440
a brief period of time, which is weird enough, right,

600
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,519
that's weird enough. He got cleared he had an alibi.

601
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That's fine. But then after the movie has done shooting,

602
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he takes Peter Iver's job as a host of this

603
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:44,440
new show that they're developing. Has to He tries to

604
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get Bill Murray to come in to host the first show.

605
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Bill Murray can't make it because Ghostbusters shooting late, so

606
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he gets chevy Chase to come in and host the

607
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first show. Chevy Chase gets in a physical fistfight with

608
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somebody in the audience on the very first show. I mean,

609
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it's nuts.

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Speaker 5: I'm like, this is so good, it's deserving of its

611
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own episode.

612
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Speaker 2: But I just I just wanted to say that that

613
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was really bizarre to know that right where when all

614
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of these things were happening, herold Ramis was a suspect.

615
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:14,359
Speaker 5: In a murder case that has remained unsolved to this day.

616
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Speaker 1: Okay, you brought up chevy Chase, and I know we're

617
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going to get into casting here in a second, But

618
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:23,680
Harold Ramis and Caddy Shack and chevy Chase flashbacktor our

619
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:27,079
Caddy Scheck episode right. Chevy Chase was considered for the

620
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:31,240
role of Peter Bankman in Ghostbusters right, Okay, chevy Chase. Also,

621
00:32:31,759 --> 00:32:35,319
Chris Columbus was going to direct Christmas Vacation, but he's like,

622
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:36,960
I can't work with this jerk.

623
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Speaker 2: Yep. Talking about chevy Chase. Right, as far as I

624
00:32:39,799 --> 00:32:43,680
can tell, everyone in Hollywood hates him, it's pretty amazing. Yeah,

625
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:45,559
so you want to go into casting.

626
00:32:45,599 --> 00:32:47,799
Speaker 5: Yeah, let's go back to Grimlins and start talking about casting.

627
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 2: Let's go back to Grimas.

628
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:58,279
Speaker 3: Okay, so I don't kill it, all.

629
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Speaker 1: Right, So casting the lead of Billy is Zach Gallaghan.

630
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When he auditioned, Yes, he auditioned with Phoebe Kates.

631
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Speaker 2: Yep.

632
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Speaker 1: He just sat down next to her. He put his

633
00:33:07,559 --> 00:33:09,960
head on her shoulder and they kind of cuddled. Yeah,

634
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,079
And Steven Spilberg's like, look, they already love each other. Yeah,

635
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you're cast, that's it.

636
00:33:14,319 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's an unknown.

637
00:33:15,839 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 5: So they'd considered some other guys too, right.

638
00:33:18,079 --> 00:33:20,319
Speaker 1: So they had considered a couple of other guys, a

639
00:33:20,359 --> 00:33:24,240
couple of other names that you might recognize, Emilio Estevez, right,

640
00:33:24,519 --> 00:33:25,920
this is before Breakfast.

641
00:33:25,559 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 2: Club and Jued Neilson. Oh yeah yeah yeah, prior to

642
00:33:29,559 --> 00:33:33,119
Breakfast Club. Yeah, kind of interesting. Yeah, I could see

643
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,119
either one of those guys in this part. But I

644
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:38,200
think they both kind of have an edgier bit about

645
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,359
them that Zach doesn't have. He's he's got more of

646
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:43,119
a kind of an angelic look about it. He's a

647
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:46,000
little softer and he's more innocent, and he's playing a

648
00:33:46,039 --> 00:33:48,519
guy who's like, it's kind of like he's a thirteen

649
00:33:48,599 --> 00:33:50,519
year old boy even though he's, you know, obviously in

650
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his twenties working.

651
00:33:51,319 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 6: At the bank.

652
00:33:51,799 --> 00:33:54,119
Speaker 1: He is a twenty something who works at a bank. Yeah,

653
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,839
who brings his dog to work. And his best friend

654
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:58,079
is like a thirteen year old kid.

655
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, kind of weird. Yeah, but again I think it's

656
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,640
the morphing of the script. So the thirteen year old kid,

657
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,599
Corey Fieldman, Corey Felman, which is this is one of

658
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,079
his first movies, Friday the Thirteenth, Part four.

659
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 5: Okay, right, so he done that.

660
00:34:11,039 --> 00:34:13,840
Speaker 2: He'd done some commercials but hadn't done a whole lot.

661
00:34:14,079 --> 00:34:17,920
He was the voice Foxing the Hound in Foxing the Hound. Yeah,

662
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:21,639
he was a dog. Oh yeah, Yeah, he was Copper.

663
00:34:21,679 --> 00:34:22,239
He's the dog.

664
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Speaker 1: I don't remember.

665
00:34:23,159 --> 00:34:25,039
Speaker 2: I think he Copper was his name. I think the

666
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dog was Copper.

667
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 1: Ultimately, he is the kid in Grimlins, and then goes

668
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,719
on to work with Steven Spielberg later in The Moonies,

669
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wearing his purple rain.

670
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Speaker 2: Shirt Summer of eighty four.

671
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Speaker 1: Come back in a couple of weeks for that one, right, Okay,

672
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all right, I want to talk about Phoebe Kates for

673
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a second.

674
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 5: Oh okay, here's to my arm.

675
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 1: Okay, So Phoebe Kate's was in Fast Times the originally

676
00:34:49,039 --> 00:34:50,679
High Was she in that? Yes?

677
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Speaker 2: If you know that, I have to say that you

678
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:58,639
have not seen it. I'm just kidding, of course, the

679
00:34:58,679 --> 00:35:01,599
most memorable see of all.

680
00:35:02,039 --> 00:35:06,199
Speaker 1: She wrote a horror videotapes with people pausing to the VCR.

681
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:09,360
Speaker 2: Doesn't any knock anymore?

682
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Speaker 5: Okay, so do you know who directed Fast Time Times

683
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to Richmond High?

684
00:35:14,119 --> 00:35:19,679
Speaker 2: Amy Heckerling? Right, who had a child with Harold raymis

685
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That blows me away? Right?

686
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 5: And that child, that illegitimate child?

687
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 2: They were never married. Yes, was in a movie about

688
00:35:26,519 --> 00:35:30,079
an illegitimate child that was directed by Amy Heckerling named

689
00:35:30,519 --> 00:35:35,400
Look who's talking? Wow? How about that? You're all over

690
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:38,360
the place? Yeah, Molly Heckerling. Look her up. She's she's

691
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been and stuff. Now she's she's grown up. Now, isn't

692
00:35:41,199 --> 00:35:43,440
that weird that Look who's talking and she's probably in

693
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,320
her thirties. Oh my gosh, that's crazy. It's nuts, all right.

694
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So Phoebe Kate's.

695
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Speaker 1: When they hired her and they brought her in, they

696
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:53,360
were worried about her playing this sort of innocent, sweet girl.

697
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Speaker 2: Next door character. Yeah, because she had gone topless in

698
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Fast Times. Yep.

699
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 5: But she totally has the sweet, innocent looking down.

700
00:36:00,039 --> 00:36:00,800
Speaker 2: Okay.

701
00:36:01,119 --> 00:36:05,400
Speaker 1: So going back to your original kickoff thing, Hoyd Axton,

702
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:07,360
Oh yeah, as the dad.

703
00:36:07,599 --> 00:36:11,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, so, Hoy Axton is from Oklahoma. He ended up

704
00:36:11,519 --> 00:36:14,320
leaving town because he had tried to pull this prank

705
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:20,719
and end up burning down the local hardware on graduation night.

706
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 1: Right, he needed the bathroom buddy to fire extinguisher that up.

707
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:27,360
Speaker 2: Okay, So you had written he tried to blow my

708
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:28,880
mind with some songs that he had done, which we'll

709
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,400
talk about in a second. We're about to blow your mind, right, okay,

710
00:36:31,559 --> 00:36:33,159
and this is only going to be your mind, like

711
00:36:33,519 --> 00:36:36,079
except for our Oklahoma listeners, nobody else. Everybody else is

712
00:36:36,079 --> 00:36:38,280
going to go why are you ready for this? Yes?

713
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,679
He's first cousins with David Bourne. Get out of town,

714
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,199
be right. So David Bourne just for those non Oklahoma

715
00:36:43,199 --> 00:36:45,599
folks out there, as president of the University of Oklahoma

716
00:36:45,639 --> 00:36:49,360
for the like decades, including the time that Jason and

717
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,840
I went to school there. He also was a US

718
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:56,320
Senator and all kinds of stuff. But anyway, Wow, songs

719
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:56,719
that he's.

720
00:36:56,599 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 1: Written go Joy to the World by Three Dog Night,

721
00:37:00,639 --> 00:37:03,239
Jeromiah was a gold Frog.

722
00:37:04,519 --> 00:37:08,519
Speaker 2: What a good friend of mine? Right? He also wrote

723
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:12,000
Never Been to Spain, also by three Dog Knight, also

724
00:37:12,039 --> 00:37:14,880
wrote The Pusher, also wrote the No No Song where

725
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:19,199
Ringo star wrote Della and the Dealer, and wrote Greenback Dollar.

726
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:22,000
I mean, all big songs in the sixties and.

727
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:25,760
Speaker 5: Seventies, right, But did you know that his mother wrote

728
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:26,519
a song as well.

729
00:37:26,599 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 2: Okay, it's a little song called Heartbreak Hotel sang by

730
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:34,519
mister Elvis Preston. Well this is my bed lived A

731
00:37:34,599 --> 00:37:40,639
new place to dwell was done the Lone Street. That's hot, dude,

732
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:41,920
I'm blowing your mind.

733
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:44,599
Speaker 1: You are coming up with some amazing stuff today.

734
00:37:44,679 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 2: So Chris Columbus is excited to get on set because

735
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:51,920
he wants to meet Hoyd Axxton, not because of any

736
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,159
of the songs that Hoyden accent has written, but because

737
00:37:54,199 --> 00:37:56,400
he's a huge Elvis fan, and he wants to meet

738
00:37:56,440 --> 00:38:00,559
the guy who's mom wrote Heartbreak Hotel. And then, of course,

739
00:38:00,599 --> 00:38:03,239
a few years later, he goes on to direct a

740
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:08,880
movie himself about Elvis called Heartbreaks Out. That's fantastic, starring

741
00:38:09,639 --> 00:38:11,679
Keith David or David Keith. I never remember which one

742
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:12,280
of those guys is.

743
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:15,079
Speaker 5: Which Keith David the less dark work.

744
00:38:16,639 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 1: Not the guy from something about Marry The Other Guy.

745
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,199
Speaker 2: Yes, the guy who's the bad guy in like every

746
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:22,800
other movie, the guy who's the bad guy in Major

747
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:26,880
League two. Yes, yeah, he's the dad in Firestarter. Yes,

748
00:38:27,599 --> 00:38:30,960
another big movie, Summer of eighty four. Right, so Hoyd

749
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:35,239
Action is cast as the father and then the mom,

750
00:38:35,559 --> 00:38:38,400
the mom. Her name is Francis Lee McCain right, and

751
00:38:38,559 --> 00:38:42,079
I sent you her list of movies, and she had

752
00:38:42,119 --> 00:38:45,519
a stellar three year period. Right, let's talk about it. Okay,

753
00:38:45,599 --> 00:38:50,079
so this is freaking amazing. You've probably not seen her

754
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:54,480
in anything made before nineteen eighty four or anything made

755
00:38:54,599 --> 00:38:59,199
after nineteen eighty five, but in a just a couple

756
00:38:59,199 --> 00:39:04,559
of year period, she was the mom in Footloose, Rin's Mom,

757
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:08,639
Rin's Mom. Yes, she was the mom in Grimlins. She

758
00:39:09,039 --> 00:39:12,519
was Lorraine's mom in Back to the Future, and she

759
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:17,639
was Corty's mom in stand By Me. I mean that's

760
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:21,559
eighty four, eighty five, eighty six. She is the mom

761
00:39:21,679 --> 00:39:23,800
choice for casting if you want to make a good movie.

762
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,239
Fantastic gladdered head didn't roll down the stairs.

763
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:31,519
Speaker 1: Too, And you know what, just on a side note,

764
00:39:31,639 --> 00:39:34,400
her character nearly wipes out all the Gremlins.

765
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:35,840
Speaker 2: She kills five of them.

766
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:39,599
Speaker 1: Hey, Yes, tosses him in the blender, kicks them in

767
00:39:39,599 --> 00:39:40,239
the microwave.

768
00:39:40,519 --> 00:39:43,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's like Rambo. Did you know that the dog

769
00:39:43,599 --> 00:39:46,360
in Gremlins his name is Mushroom. I did not know that.

770
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:49,159
Speaker 1: Okay, the one that the Grimlins like hang up by

771
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:50,400
Christmas lights.

772
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:53,280
Speaker 2: Better than getting eaten them and it's pretty rough. Yeah,

773
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:54,559
he plays Barney.

774
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:57,360
Speaker 1: He also stars as Less Hendrix's dog in.

775
00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:58,559
Speaker 2: Pumpkinhead the movie.

776
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 1: Well, she got the voice of Gizmo none other than

777
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:03,119
Howie Mandel.

778
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 5: Yes, and even in his stand up deal he would

779
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:07,440
do my name is Billy.

780
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:09,719
Speaker 2: Maybe he would have that character that he would do

781
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:12,639
back when Howie Mandel still had hair and was still

782
00:40:12,639 --> 00:40:15,920
putting a rubber glove over the top of him. Right,

783
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,519
So at that time he was doing the voice for Gizmo.

784
00:40:18,679 --> 00:40:21,320
Do you know who did the voice for Stripe? No,

785
00:40:21,599 --> 00:40:26,199
mister Frank Welker, who is best known for voicing Fred

786
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:29,840
in Scooby Doo. The first thing we'd better do is

787
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,599
split up and search the school for clues. Here's an

788
00:40:32,639 --> 00:40:35,199
interesting fact about mister Welker. He has been doing these

789
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:39,840
voiceovers and other movies for decades. As of this year,

790
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:44,000
he holds over eight hundred and sixty film, television and

791
00:40:44,079 --> 00:40:47,559
video game credits, making him one of the most iconic

792
00:40:47,599 --> 00:40:51,280
actors of all time, but also making him the third

793
00:40:51,639 --> 00:40:58,119
top box office growing actor at seventeen point four billion dollars.

794
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:01,760
What the guy who's the voice for Stripe and Fred

795
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:06,239
and a jillion other things is the third highest box

796
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:10,599
office gross actor in existence. Wow, that's amazing. That's amazing.

797
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:12,360
I got something for you. Okay.

798
00:41:12,679 --> 00:41:16,519
Speaker 1: Judge Reynold is also in Gremlins, a kind of the

799
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,159
h He's infested with Phoebe Kates.

800
00:41:19,159 --> 00:41:22,039
Speaker 2: Doesn't any locked the door right? Yes, they're seeing They're

801
00:41:22,079 --> 00:41:23,079
scene is intertwined.

802
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:25,320
Speaker 1: Yes, he plays the bake manager.

803
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:26,119
Speaker 2: He's kind of a jerk.

804
00:41:26,199 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 1: He's like twenty twenty three yuy six, He's like the

805
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:30,320
bad guy.

806
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:30,639
Speaker 2: Yeah.

807
00:41:31,079 --> 00:41:33,320
Speaker 1: He was also in Beverly Hills Cop with Eddie Murphy

808
00:41:33,519 --> 00:41:35,280
as the largest movie nineteen eighty.

809
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:36,679
Speaker 2: He was a hot thing for a little bit.

810
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:40,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, he has a scene that didn't make the final cut.

811
00:41:40,519 --> 00:41:43,599
The gremlins are like attacking the bank and he locks

812
00:41:43,679 --> 00:41:46,760
himself in the vault and it's like he's going nuts,

813
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:50,639
like he's literally like his brain has broken and he's insane,

814
00:41:51,039 --> 00:41:52,480
breaks out, locks himself in the vault.

815
00:41:52,559 --> 00:41:56,559
Speaker 2: Kind of a darker Yeah, okay, so here's some other surprise.

816
00:41:56,679 --> 00:41:59,960
So I told you that Dante is big about putting

817
00:42:00,079 --> 00:42:02,840
other movies in his movies. You know, he is also

818
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:06,199
big about putting actors who have been in big things

819
00:42:06,199 --> 00:42:09,079
in the past in his movies as well. So the

820
00:42:09,119 --> 00:42:11,280
guy who's walking around with the pipe who said I

821
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:13,719
paid for my tree to the sheriff, you know, that's

822
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:16,280
Harry Carey Junior, who is in a ton of john

823
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:20,159
Ford movies, all Cowboy movies. But then he also went

824
00:42:20,199 --> 00:42:22,480
on to be one of the three old timers in

825
00:42:22,519 --> 00:42:25,519
Back to the Future Part three. Oh nice, And he's

826
00:42:25,559 --> 00:42:28,360
one of the only actors that was in both Tombstone

827
00:42:28,599 --> 00:42:29,400
and Wyater.

828
00:42:30,079 --> 00:42:32,599
Speaker 5: Chris Marshall White and Tombstone.

829
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:35,280
Speaker 2: Right, Okay, Tombstone we're gonna hopefully cover later on this year.

830
00:42:35,519 --> 00:42:45,199
Speaker 8: Yes, so now, mister Wang Wing, mister Wayne, sorry, I

831
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:45,960
know that one.

832
00:42:46,679 --> 00:42:51,159
Speaker 2: Mister Wing grandfather is a guy named Key Luke who

833
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:54,920
was number one son for the old Charlie Chan films.

834
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:57,039
He was he was the first son of Charlie Chan.

835
00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:57,599
Speaker 3: Huh.

836
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:01,519
Speaker 2: And he was the original ca in like the Early

837
00:43:01,599 --> 00:43:05,039
Like thirty nine forty forty one of the Green Hornet series.

838
00:43:05,119 --> 00:43:06,800
He was Kato, the sidekick. Right.

839
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 5: He did the voice for Bracket Space Ghosts in the sixties.

840
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:12,159
Speaker 2: But here you go, you're ready. Yes, he was Master

841
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:16,000
Poe in the television series Kung Fu Take the Storm

842
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:19,679
from My Hand, Grasshoppa, al right, Master Poe is the

843
00:43:19,679 --> 00:43:21,960
one that owns the Magwai. Wow.

844
00:43:22,119 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 1: Hey, you know what we talked off air about this.

845
00:43:24,639 --> 00:43:28,960
But the little grandson who works in the store. Yes,

846
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:31,719
that is not the kid from Goonies, and that's not

847
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:34,159
Short Round from Indiana Jones and the Couple of Doom.

848
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:37,480
But he does wear a Yankees Cabins style kind of

849
00:43:37,519 --> 00:43:38,800
resembling Short Round.

850
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:44,360
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, they're dressing the Asian young actors in Yankee attire.

851
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:46,599
Hold on Lady We Go for a Wide you call

852
00:43:46,639 --> 00:43:51,320
him doctor Jorman. Okay. So one other guy that I

853
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:53,760
got to mention because I mentioned him back on our

854
00:43:54,119 --> 00:43:58,239
third episode on Airplane Okay, Kenneth Toby is the guy

855
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:00,679
who's the gas station attendant that he he's trying to

856
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:04,280
sell the smokeless ashtray too. I guess name's Ken Toby. Okay.

857
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:08,000
He was also the he was in the original the

858
00:44:08,079 --> 00:44:10,639
thing like in nineteen fifties. He was in the on that.

859
00:44:11,079 --> 00:44:13,679
But he's the guy an airplane on the phone. It's

860
00:44:13,679 --> 00:44:15,719
like he's a danger to everything in the air. Yes,

861
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:23,159
birds too nice. Oh, here's something interesting on Phoebek's keep talking.

862
00:44:23,559 --> 00:44:26,159
Her father was one of the creators of the sixty

863
00:44:26,199 --> 00:44:29,000
four thousand dollars question, which is pretty cool. Yeah, her

864
00:44:29,119 --> 00:44:33,599
husband is Kevin Klein, who like could be her dad.

865
00:44:33,679 --> 00:44:36,960
I think like he's like they met she auditioned for

866
00:44:37,079 --> 00:44:40,480
the Megtilly part in The Big Chill, and they're both

867
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:42,320
seeing other people at the time, but I guess, you know,

868
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:44,920
met each other then and a few years later, when

869
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:48,239
they were both unattached, they met again and have been

870
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:51,320
married since then since like the late eighties. It's incredible.

871
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:54,639
Speaker 1: Kevin Kline to go Kevin Klin, Yes, we're giving it up.

872
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:58,800
His Bunnies role in my opinion, fish called Wanda, Oh yeah.

873
00:44:58,679 --> 00:45:01,159
Speaker 2: I love it. The radio DJ is Don Steele, who

874
00:45:01,199 --> 00:45:04,119
is like one of the most famous radio DJs in

875
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:07,559
LA for years and years, and then they did this

876
00:45:07,679 --> 00:45:12,840
contest where it was catch you know, catch Don Steele,

877
00:45:13,159 --> 00:45:16,280
and he was driving around in LA and like people

878
00:45:16,679 --> 00:45:19,119
ran over like they had a huge wreck trying to

879
00:45:19,159 --> 00:45:22,679
catch and catch him, and it became a huge case,

880
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:25,280
like a big liability case that went to the Supreme Court.

881
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:28,119
It's now a case that they study in law school. Yes,

882
00:45:28,559 --> 00:45:32,360
so for any dj Ricky rialto that's dressed up like

883
00:45:32,639 --> 00:45:36,239
on the billboard like Indian Jones. Yeah, yeah, that's that's

884
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:39,920
his history. One more, let's go just one more. We've

885
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,239
already talked about bugs Bunny, but in the scene in

886
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:45,840
the bar whenever Billy is showing his artwork of Missus Degle,

887
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:49,159
we can't forget missus Deegele. Oh my gosh. Okay, so

888
00:45:49,199 --> 00:45:51,000
we're gonna talk about Missus Deagle on a second. But

889
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:54,320
the guy who's like, oh, you've really captured her likeness

890
00:45:54,559 --> 00:45:57,960
is mister Chuck Jones, who directed about a million Bugs

891
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:02,480
Bunny episodes. And then this is Degle. This is missus Deegle,

892
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:03,119
who's a.

893
00:46:03,159 --> 00:46:05,800
Speaker 1: Cross between we talked about. It's the bank manager from

894
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:09,639
It's a Wonderful Life. Yes, it's Ebenezer Scrooge and it's and.

895
00:46:09,559 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 2: It's the Wicked Wish to the West. Oh for sure,

896
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:12,800
I'll get your little dog too.

897
00:46:13,039 --> 00:46:15,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly when she got it from the Grimlins, I

898
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:17,519
was like good friends to her.

899
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 2: Caleb actually cheered out loud. He's like, yeah, blew her

900
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:25,679
out of the window. What a great scene that is.

901
00:46:26,039 --> 00:46:27,840
Speaker 1: Now who is the actress who plays her?

902
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:31,840
Speaker 2: So, Missus Deagle is played by Polly Holliday, who you

903
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:36,280
might know better as Flow from Alice's Diner. Kiss my grit,

904
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:40,880
Kiss my grits. Excuse me Flow like the TV show.

905
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:45,519
And then we also, of course had Jonathan Banks, who

906
00:46:45,559 --> 00:46:48,920
is also in forty eight Hours and Beverly Hills Cop

907
00:46:49,079 --> 00:46:52,880
and Breaking Bad. He is the deputy sheriff. Oh yeah

908
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:53,360
that's right.

909
00:46:53,519 --> 00:46:55,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's the bad guy in Beverly Hills Cop.

910
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

911
00:46:56,119 --> 00:46:58,079
Speaker 5: I want to drive, you're drunk, you always drive.

912
00:46:58,159 --> 00:47:03,519
Speaker 2: I'm the sheriff. He's the man who wrecked my ante.

913
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:09,880
Speaker 1: All right, let's flip over to Ghostbusters and talk about

914
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:14,360
casting for Ghostbusters. I am the key Master, I am

915
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:15,599
the gatekeepers.

916
00:47:31,199 --> 00:47:39,400
Speaker 2: Tell about the Middle Time that rely the big all right.

917
00:47:39,599 --> 00:47:42,400
So Dan Akrott obviously the writer. He was always going

918
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:43,199
to be Race Dance.

919
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:45,559
Speaker 1: So when I've in Ryman brought in Harold Rams. Harold

920
00:47:45,599 --> 00:47:47,440
Ramis is like, yeah, I'm happy to help you, right.

921
00:47:47,599 --> 00:47:49,639
I also think I'd be great for this Egon Park.

922
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:51,440
But they did have a couple other guys.

923
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:53,280
Speaker 2: They were kind of fishing around with. But first, before

924
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:55,239
we get there, let's talk about Peter Bank. That was

925
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:56,320
the biggest.

926
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:59,599
Speaker 1: Hire of all Roman sacrifice, dogs and cats living together,

927
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:01,519
Pario enough, I.

928
00:48:01,519 --> 00:48:04,840
Speaker 5: Get the point, right, John Belushi replacement, right right?

929
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 1: They wanted John Blushy. Originally they talked about Chevy Chase.

930
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:10,559
When chevy Chase looked at the script, He's like, guys,

931
00:48:10,599 --> 00:48:12,320
this is the script is crazy.

932
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:13,800
Speaker 2: I don't understand it. It's too weird.

933
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 1: But so it was very different when he looked at it.

934
00:48:16,199 --> 00:48:17,199
Speaker 2: Talked about Cherry Chase.

935
00:48:17,519 --> 00:48:19,519
Speaker 1: They talked about Steve Gutenberg, who went on to make

936
00:48:19,519 --> 00:48:23,920
Police Academy This year, Tom Hanks, Robin Williams Michael Keaton

937
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:24,559
as big.

938
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, that would have been a good. That would have

939
00:48:26,519 --> 00:48:29,199
been a good if you didn't get Bill Murray. Michael

940
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:31,920
Keaton would have been great. Yes, all right for Egon.

941
00:48:32,079 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 1: Before Hirovermus came on board, they talked about Christopher walking right,

942
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:38,679
he could have been a weird Egon.

943
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:42,639
Speaker 2: Very much more on the weird side, yes, John Lithgow, Yeah, yeah,

944
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:45,199
Phi Louis Phil Loose, he's doing for Loose and he

945
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:48,519
had just done okay, go ahead, Christopher Lloyd, Oh wow,

946
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:52,199
that's interesting. And like you said, Jeff Goldbwlind, Yeah, definitely.

947
00:48:52,199 --> 00:48:55,079
Speaker 1: So once again, let's think about alternate universes where we

948
00:48:55,119 --> 00:48:58,320
have Michael Keaton, Christopher Lloyd and dan Aykroyd.

949
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 2: Yeah. I am glad that and of those guys got

950
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:04,400
it because I love what Harold ramers on the character.

951
00:49:04,519 --> 00:49:05,880
He did it so well.

952
00:49:06,599 --> 00:49:10,920
Speaker 9: Well, let's say this twinkie represents the normal amount of

953
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:14,519
psychokinetic energy in the New York area. According to this

954
00:49:14,599 --> 00:49:18,840
morning sample, it would be a twinkie thirty five feet long,

955
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:21,039
weighing approximately six hundred pounds.

956
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:25,239
Speaker 2: That's a big twinkie. Did it so well? Okay, now

957
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:27,480
here's something are you ready for this? Yes. Before they

958
00:49:27,559 --> 00:49:29,760
start filming, they've got to work on a script, right,

959
00:49:30,159 --> 00:49:32,960
So they go to Martha's Vineyard over the Fourth of

960
00:49:33,039 --> 00:49:37,000
July weekend and Ivan and Dan and Harold they spend

961
00:49:37,079 --> 00:49:39,559
like two weeks in the basement of this place in

962
00:49:39,639 --> 00:49:43,800
Martha's Vineyard writing this script together, high as a kite

963
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:47,079
most of the time, right, But ultimately they end up

964
00:49:47,119 --> 00:49:50,239
with a structure. Right, it's like a guideline, but they

965
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:53,000
really don't know how it's going to end, and they're

966
00:49:53,079 --> 00:49:54,719
kind of making it up as they go. Now, one

967
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:56,920
of the things that they don't have in that original

968
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:59,880
script is a female part, right, Yeah. But once they

969
00:50:00,039 --> 00:50:02,880
start doing on this, there's like words starts to spread

970
00:50:03,199 --> 00:50:08,440
and wants Somebody named Sigourney Weaver hears about it. She's like,

971
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:11,559
I want to be in that movie. She's freaking Ripley. Yeah,

972
00:50:11,599 --> 00:50:15,039
she's Ripley from Alien. So when she came in to

973
00:50:15,119 --> 00:50:18,320
talk to Ivan rightman about being in the movie, she's

974
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:20,280
the one that comes up with the idea. She says,

975
00:50:20,559 --> 00:50:23,159
you know those dogs on the roof, I think I

976
00:50:23,199 --> 00:50:24,519
should be one of those dogs.

977
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:27,280
Speaker 5: And he's like, what are you talking about?

978
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:30,280
Speaker 2: And she gets up on the desk, gets down on

979
00:50:30,559 --> 00:50:35,119
all fours and starts wiggling around, and all of a sudden,

980
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:38,519
Ivan Rightman thinks it's a great idea about having the

981
00:50:38,679 --> 00:50:41,480
lady be the dog, and he has he has a

982
00:50:41,519 --> 00:50:43,719
great idea about the way the rest of the movie should.

983
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:46,280
Speaker 1: Get that really sort of makes the movie. How she

984
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:49,320
becomes possessed and later becomes the dog and they actually

985
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:50,400
kind of rescue her.

986
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:53,039
Speaker 2: Out of the Charred remains the dog. It's really cool, right,

987
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:56,960
she's awesome. Yeah, she's awesome. Now. Of course, like you said,

988
00:50:57,000 --> 00:51:00,960
they get Bill Murray for Peter Vinkman. But Bill Murray

989
00:51:01,039 --> 00:51:04,519
is notorious for never sign an a contract and you

990
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:06,400
just don't know to show up or not.

991
00:51:06,559 --> 00:51:10,039
Speaker 1: Right. Ivan Ryman had worked with him on Meatballs and Stripes,

992
00:51:10,039 --> 00:51:12,960
and he knew how difficult he was, right, And he's like, well,

993
00:51:13,079 --> 00:51:15,000
I we think that Bill's going to show up for

994
00:51:15,039 --> 00:51:18,239
the first day shooting. Dan says, he is right, but

995
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:19,920
we're not positive.

996
00:51:20,039 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 2: So do you know the story about Razor's Edge? No,

997
00:51:22,079 --> 00:51:24,000
tell me the story. So, I mean, there's not a

998
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:27,039
big story. But basically, Bill Murray had really wanted to

999
00:51:27,039 --> 00:51:29,480
make this movie The Razor's Edge, which is a straight

1000
00:51:29,519 --> 00:51:31,840
piece for him, Like it is not comedy at all.

1001
00:51:32,079 --> 00:51:34,079
I mean there's a little bit, but it's almost weird

1002
00:51:34,119 --> 00:51:36,000
in the movie. But he really wanted to make this

1003
00:51:36,079 --> 00:51:38,519
but couldn't get anybody to go for it. And I

1004
00:51:38,559 --> 00:51:40,199
think it was Dan Aykroy that says, why don't you

1005
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:43,159
use this as leverage? And he says, Okay, I'll do

1006
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:48,079
Ghostbusters if you guys finance Razor's Edge. And I think

1007
00:51:48,159 --> 00:51:50,559
Dan says, you should go make that movie first, because

1008
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:53,559
they may not do it if you do Ghosts. Yeah,

1009
00:51:53,639 --> 00:51:54,559
he's right, he's right.

1010
00:51:54,639 --> 00:51:56,679
Speaker 5: I mean he's taken care of his friend, right yep.

1011
00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:59,559
So he goes and does a Razor's Edge.

1012
00:52:00,039 --> 00:52:04,320
Speaker 2: Iavan Rightman then picks him up from JFK Airport about

1013
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:06,800
a week before the shooting was about to start. They

1014
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:09,440
have to do some camera testing and wardrobe testing when

1015
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:12,679
they get there, so like before real shooting starts, he

1016
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:16,079
decides to shoot some of the montage scenes with them

1017
00:52:16,159 --> 00:52:19,360
running around New York City and their coveralls and the packs.

1018
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:22,199
So those scenes that you see them running through the streets,

1019
00:52:22,559 --> 00:52:24,679
those were the very first scenes that they shot. That's

1020
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:27,199
really cool. We haven't talked about Ernie Hudson. What can

1021
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:29,119
you tell me about Ernie? Well, here's the deal with

1022
00:52:29,199 --> 00:52:29,800
Ernie Hudson.

1023
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:33,159
Speaker 1: So obviously when he was hired, he was filling the

1024
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:37,320
character that Eddie Murphy left, right, And according to Dan Aykroyd,

1025
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:40,760
when Eddie Murphy left the Bankman character became the comedic

1026
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:44,079
voice of the movie. So it wasn't a one to

1027
00:52:44,159 --> 00:52:47,239
one trade. But anyway, they brought in Ernie Hudson. He

1028
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:49,480
had to be the guy that the audience could relate to.

1029
00:52:49,679 --> 00:52:53,840
They originally brought in and read Reginald bell Johnson for

1030
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:55,920
the part of Winston's enymore right.

1031
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:56,519
Speaker 2: Well, he's in it.

1032
00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:59,840
Speaker 1: He got the consolation prize of the prison.

1033
00:53:00,519 --> 00:53:02,760
Speaker 2: Right. This is the first movie that we see Reginald

1034
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:04,559
Bell Johnson as a cop in it, and then he

1035
00:53:04,599 --> 00:53:06,800
goes to do a cop and a cop and another cop.

1036
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:09,559
Speaker 1: He plays a cop in Family Matters and he plays

1037
00:53:09,599 --> 00:53:10,559
the freaking cop.

1038
00:53:10,679 --> 00:53:11,440
Speaker 2: Al Powell and.

1039
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:13,920
Speaker 5: Die Hard doing pretty appreciate it out.

1040
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:19,880
Speaker 1: Also from die Hard you get William Atherson talk about

1041
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:23,880
a three year stretch. He plays the Dead and Ghostbusters

1042
00:53:24,559 --> 00:53:27,000
and real genius.

1043
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:32,039
Speaker 2: Nobody's listening, that's true. This man has no dick And

1044
00:53:32,119 --> 00:53:33,519
in die Hard yeah, okay.

1045
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:35,119
Speaker 1: Let's talk about Lewis totally for a second. Yeah, so

1046
00:53:35,119 --> 00:53:37,679
they wanted John Candy, but he wanted it to play

1047
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:39,639
like a German. He wanted to have this accent. He

1048
00:53:39,679 --> 00:53:41,719
always want to have dogs around, and they thought Man

1049
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:45,480
just really wasn't what they wanted. So he didn't really

1050
00:53:45,559 --> 00:53:47,760
like the character. So anyway, they split.

1051
00:53:48,039 --> 00:53:50,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's he was like, I really don't get this,

1052
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:52,920
and then there became a paycheck issue and he's like, eh,

1053
00:53:53,039 --> 00:53:56,000
I'm not really that interested. So literally, on the same

1054
00:53:56,159 --> 00:53:59,679
day that John Candy says no, Ivan Rightman sends the

1055
00:53:59,679 --> 00:54:02,400
script to Rick Moranis who I mean, those guys work

1056
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:05,800
together on SETV Righty are friends. But Rick gets it

1057
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:07,840
and the first thing he does is call back and say,

1058
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:09,880
I just want you to tell John thank you for

1059
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:12,559
turning this script down because I think it's amazing and

1060
00:54:12,639 --> 00:54:14,599
I have got the character. I knew exactly how to

1061
00:54:14,639 --> 00:54:18,480
play fantastic. Yeah, And he was like Rick Moranis had

1062
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:21,920
an accounting background, like he knew it, so all those

1063
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:25,480
little accounting foibles that hews out there are totally him

1064
00:54:25,519 --> 00:54:29,880
improving that stuff. Do you have any exagement or extra

1065
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:30,920
strength timing them?

1066
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:33,199
Speaker 1: I think Oh my god, it's a seat of sell

1067
00:54:33,199 --> 00:54:34,480
and sell a gas generic.

1068
00:54:34,519 --> 00:54:36,199
Speaker 2: See I can get six hundred tablets, so that for

1069
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:38,280
the same price as three hundred of a name brand.

1070
00:54:38,559 --> 00:54:41,400
That makes good financial sense, good advice. Hey, this is

1071
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:44,000
real smoke sabit from Nova Scotia, Canada, twenty four to

1072
00:54:44,079 --> 00:54:46,599
ninety five a pounds. It only cost me fourteen twelve

1073
00:54:46,679 --> 00:54:48,760
after tex though. I'm giving this whole thing as a

1074
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:51,760
promotional expense. That's why I invite a client's instead of friends.

1075
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:54,000
Speaker 1: I can't even riff on a podcast. We had to

1076
00:54:54,199 --> 00:54:58,039
edit this whole thing. He talks NonStop for like three minutes.

1077
00:54:58,079 --> 00:54:59,840
He's talking about Hey, it's Susie.

1078
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:02,920
Speaker 2: They talk about getting the carrecter, Like, just take your line,

1079
00:55:03,199 --> 00:55:04,960
let me and let me in to take that and

1080
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:07,800
turn it into let me in, let me in of

1081
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:09,880
the doors lamps. That's gold.

1082
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 5: I mean, that is true brilliance in acting.

1083
00:55:12,079 --> 00:55:15,280
Speaker 2: And you know what Rick moranis was shooting up the

1084
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:18,679
star Rocket nineteen ninety four. His wife passes away, he

1085
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:21,559
stops acting, goes home, takes care of his kids for

1086
00:55:21,599 --> 00:55:24,599
the next twenty years. Totally respect it. I can't. I mean,

1087
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:27,639
it's just amazing. It's amazing. You have that kind of

1088
00:55:28,119 --> 00:55:30,559
dedication that you would go, I'm gonna leave this thing

1089
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:33,559
that is making me millions of dollars and instead I'm

1090
00:55:33,559 --> 00:55:35,719
going to focus on my children for the next twenty

1091
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:36,920
It's amazing.

1092
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, real quickly, Eddie deson Gozer. They originally wanted

1093
00:55:42,079 --> 00:55:45,320
Paul Rubens in the part of Gozer. Oh that's right,

1094
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:48,760
pee Wee Herman was almost Gozer pee wee hermon.

1095
00:55:49,079 --> 00:55:52,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, how about that. Yeah. I also heard that Grace

1096
00:55:52,119 --> 00:55:55,159
Jones was considered as well. I can see that. Yeah,

1097
00:55:55,199 --> 00:55:55,639
that's some more.

1098
00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:58,719
Speaker 1: I mean, you still at the flat top, so anger

1099
00:55:58,800 --> 00:55:59,400
the flattop.

1100
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:04,159
Speaker 2: So we didn't mention the name of the actress played Gozer.

1101
00:56:04,559 --> 00:56:09,079
Gozer ultimately was played by slat Viza Jovin, who was

1102
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:11,079
this Yugoslav model.

1103
00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:12,960
Speaker 1: I heard that her character is supposed to be a

1104
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:16,400
cross between David Bowie and Grace Jones. Okay, yeah, okay, yeah,

1105
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:17,960
but this is this, this is the funny part.

1106
00:56:18,079 --> 00:56:18,719
Speaker 2: Right when they.

1107
00:56:18,639 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 1: Were rehearsing the Gozer scene. So she's from Yugoslavia, so

1108
00:56:23,039 --> 00:56:25,880
she has this strange accent. So when she's saying the

1109
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:29,719
line Jews and parish, right, it sounded like she said

1110
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:35,440
jews and berries, and Bill Murray kept saying there are

1111
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:40,360
no jews in berries here, jews.

1112
00:56:40,079 --> 00:56:43,559
Speaker 2: And berries, so they ended up changing her voice. It

1113
00:56:43,639 --> 00:56:47,599
was voiced by a voice actress named Patty Edwards who

1114
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:51,559
has a few films. She played Bloatsom and Jetsam in

1115
00:56:51,559 --> 00:56:54,519
The Little Mermaid. Notice the smoke damage voice there as well.

1116
00:56:56,519 --> 00:56:58,480
Real quickly, I've got a couple of cameos. I've just

1117
00:56:58,480 --> 00:56:59,599
got to talk about it. Okay.

1118
00:56:59,639 --> 00:57:02,800
Speaker 1: Casey has a cameo in it as he's reading the

1119
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:05,599
top forty countdown just his voice, right, yeah, yeah.

1120
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:07,599
Speaker 2: Hey, the Ghostbusters and this and that and on with

1121
00:57:07,639 --> 00:57:08,719
the countdown. Yeah, okay.

1122
00:57:09,159 --> 00:57:12,480
Speaker 1: His wife, Jeane Casem she plays the tall woman at

1123
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:13,159
the party.

1124
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:16,079
Speaker 2: Who's dancing with Rick Ranis right. She's also she plays

1125
00:57:16,159 --> 00:57:19,199
Loretta on Cheers. Yep. If you want a really interesting story.

1126
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:21,400
Speaker 1: You need to go find out the battle over Casey

1127
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:23,880
Casum's body when he passes away.

1128
00:57:24,079 --> 00:57:24,920
Speaker 2: That's really weird.

1129
00:57:25,039 --> 00:57:27,119
Speaker 1: She keeps moving it from his kids and all this

1130
00:57:27,199 --> 00:57:29,840
weird stuff. Weird anyway, Gene and Casey Caseum.

1131
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:31,599
Speaker 2: Okay, I want to say this scene. You remember the

1132
00:57:31,639 --> 00:57:34,000
scene where the reporter is like, well, I remember my

1133
00:57:34,039 --> 00:57:36,599
grandma used to spend yarns around like you remember that

1134
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:40,119
you the guy that's in the background that looks that

1135
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:42,360
Legit was a guy who is not an actor like

1136
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:44,519
it was a guy who was like, oh, they're making

1137
00:57:44,519 --> 00:57:47,360
a movie. Yeah, I'll get on the movie. So now

1138
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:50,480
for you know, eternity, he's in this huge blockbuster movie

1139
00:57:50,519 --> 00:57:52,320
and he was just the guy who was just looking around.

1140
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:53,840
There's always an abundance of morons.

1141
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:56,159
Speaker 1: Okay, but here's the one that really blew me away. Okay,

1142
00:57:56,199 --> 00:57:59,079
the girl at the birthday party when Rick moranis comes

1143
00:57:59,119 --> 00:57:59,320
up and.

1144
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 2: Is banging on the live in right here. Yeah. Yeah,

1145
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:04,360
the girl the breath of party. You don't really get

1146
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:05,639
a good look at it. It's the back of her head.

1147
00:58:05,679 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 6: You know.

1148
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:20,840
Speaker 2: That is Debbie Gibson, as in Debbie Gibson from the.

1149
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:24,519
Speaker 1: Eighties, as in Only in My Dreams, Electric Youth, Lost

1150
00:58:24,519 --> 00:58:24,960
in your Eyes.

1151
00:58:25,079 --> 00:58:27,719
Speaker 2: Yeah to Debbie Gibson. Wow, how about that? That's awesome?

1152
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:30,840
All right, friends, that does it for this week's episode.

1153
00:58:31,079 --> 00:58:33,480
Please come back next week we will continue the discussion

1154
00:58:33,559 --> 00:58:37,320
on Grimlins and Ghostbusters. We will talk production, we will

1155
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:40,400
talk special effects, we will talk soundtrack, and we will

1156
00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:44,480
talk final judgment about which of these two iconic eighties

1157
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:49,360
nineteen eighty four movies is the best. It's gonna be amazing. Listen.

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Speaker 1: We are an independent podcast. If you can support us

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on Patron as well. Yeah, we look forward to seeing

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you next week. Dogs and Cats living Together, mass Hysteria