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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the Parenting Roundabout podcast. I'm Terry Morrow and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Catherine Jileco. As parents and parenting writers, we can't

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<v Speaker 1>help but see everything through a parenting lens. But as

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<v Speaker 1>our kids have become adults, we find ourselves more interested

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<v Speaker 1>in getting caught up on movies and streaming than I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going over the same parenting topics over and over.

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<v Speaker 2>So since we're pretty sure we can find parenting wisdom anywhere,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to talk about what we're watching, what we

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<v Speaker 2>thought about it, and maybe what we can learn from it,

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<v Speaker 2>if only what not to do. Watch and listen along,

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<v Speaker 2>and let's all make like we're doing something important for

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<v Speaker 2>our families.

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<v Speaker 1>Each Tuesday, we bring you a watch or rewatch of

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<v Speaker 1>an older entertainment property, And for this week of July seventh,

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<v Speaker 1>we are continuing with Lost season three, Episode six I Do,

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<v Speaker 1>in which we discover that Kit was a fugitive? Did

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<v Speaker 1>you make that? Five?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, How.

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<v Speaker 1>Goodness for these flashbacks, for filling in the history of

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<v Speaker 1>these people. It's so fascinating. Who would ever have guessed that?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, And we stop Nice to See Nathan

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<v Speaker 1>Filly in Nice to See You, I forgot you were

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<v Speaker 1>in the show, and here you are for one episode

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<v Speaker 1>being an idiot.

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<v Speaker 2>Why if you are a fugitive do you choose to

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<v Speaker 2>marry an officer of the.

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<v Speaker 1>Law Because she's complicated.

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<v Speaker 2>The heart wants what it wants, I guess, yeah, And

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know she maybe she wants to partially wants

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<v Speaker 2>to be ah.

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<v Speaker 1>Fraught psychologically. I should say that. I think what best

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<v Speaker 1>sums up this episode for me is something that my

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<v Speaker 1>husband said about three quarters of the way through. He said,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't understand anything in this stupid episode. I like

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<v Speaker 1>that pretty much. Why are these people doing what they're doing?

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<v Speaker 1>This is stupid? Yeah, so, yeah, pretty much. The answer

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<v Speaker 1>to your question is they had many, many, many episodes

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<v Speaker 1>of television have to fill and they just had to

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<v Speaker 1>They just had to fill them with stuff. Sometimes the

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<v Speaker 1>stuff is amazing. Sometimes the stuff is uh or reaction

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<v Speaker 1>right there. Sometimes that's what it is. But this is

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<v Speaker 1>one of the ones that was like, yeah, okay, right,

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<v Speaker 1>these are recognizable human motivations. But okay, right, right, Oh my.

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<v Speaker 2>God, maybe they are. I don't know, so well, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>is it a recognizable motivation to change your name and

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<v Speaker 2>marry a cop? In it?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, when you're yeah in a church. Yeah, it's the

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<v Speaker 1>whole thing is questionable. And then of course we have

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<v Speaker 1>the Dawson's Creek version of Lost over on Other Island,

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<v Speaker 1>where you know, teenage romance is driving the whole plot. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I love her, but she's with him, and so now

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to do this thing that doesn't really strike

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<v Speaker 1>back at them at all, But I'm just going to

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<v Speaker 1>do it anyway. And I don't know why. Maybe it's

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<v Speaker 1>so should get away? Oh guys, you know, really, can

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<v Speaker 1>we just move on to the next episode. I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like we've been here before. How long are we going

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<v Speaker 1>to have to deal with this triangle?

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<v Speaker 2>Right? And I was I was reading on last Pedia

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<v Speaker 2>that this was like a little mid season cliffhanger situation.

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<v Speaker 1>So after this there were thirteen episodes off, thirteen weeks off.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so I'm glad I'm not in that scenario because

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<v Speaker 2>that would be frustrating.

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<v Speaker 1>This is what you leave me with.

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<v Speaker 2>Mmmmmm hmm, no, thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>Well Ben is hanging there with this kidney clip for

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<v Speaker 1>thirteen weeks. Yeah, what will happen? Do we suppose he

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<v Speaker 1>will live? I suppose? So, yeah, I'm thinking arguably the

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<v Speaker 1>most interesting character.

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<v Speaker 2>So so he's gonna be okay.

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<v Speaker 1>If he died, now, your friend in the library would

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<v Speaker 1>not have been saying yes, her favorite character. So I

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<v Speaker 1>think you can you can imagine that there is more

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<v Speaker 1>to come from uh mister Linus, but and that we

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<v Speaker 1>will know things about his life led him to be

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<v Speaker 1>the miserable little It's not that he is. Oh gosh,

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<v Speaker 1>Sawyer and Kate, yeah, still don't get that there are

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<v Speaker 1>cameras on them. And even if they did, it was

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<v Speaker 1>broad down You guys, you're in a cage with the

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<v Speaker 1>this for when it's I don't know, a little darker outside. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>even if you didn't know that there was a camera

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<v Speaker 1>so that Jack could watch you, which of course there's

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<v Speaker 1>in the corner. This long, you can hold back your

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<v Speaker 1>mad passion a little bit longer. Be adult, human beings.

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<v Speaker 1>You're not sixteen, stop it. Yeah, and parenting tip, tell

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<v Speaker 1>your children, I know, I know you want a baby,

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<v Speaker 1>but wait till dark.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And if a voice says open the door, that

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<v Speaker 2>voice is leading you somewhere. You probably don't need to

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<v Speaker 2>go yes, indeed. So now Jack is like, Okay, I've

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<v Speaker 2>seen what's happened here. I'm going to do this surgery,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm gonna somehow Doesn't he know that they're on

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<v Speaker 2>a different island? Or does he? Or he doesn't Maybe

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<v Speaker 2>he doesn't he I think he doesn't. Yeah, so he's like,

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<v Speaker 2>Kate run, She's got nowhere to go.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, oh well, I don't know. Maybe maybe she can swim.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, how long is it between the Remember there

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<v Speaker 2>was that episode where she and Sawyer went swimming down

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<v Speaker 2>in that where there were like dead bodies and pulled

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<v Speaker 2>their guns away from them and stuff. So yeah, she'll

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<v Speaker 2>just do that.

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<v Speaker 1>Did said? And and yes I did get back because

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<v Speaker 1>he was with Lock, wasn't he? Yeah, but we have

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<v Speaker 1>not seen is sun Jin and Son still out there

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<v Speaker 1>on a boat somewhere? Maybe they could take her off?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean we haven't seen that those two.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, I've lost track of things. I don't think so,

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<v Speaker 1>but they could pop up at any moment. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>any moment there all along.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, were.

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<v Speaker 1>Nicky and Pallo still hanging out, Yeah, still still there for.

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<v Speaker 2>Still trying to make sure we know they exist.

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<v Speaker 1>There for Echo's funeral out in the jungle. Their time

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<v Speaker 1>will come, but it hasn't come yet. They're still I'm

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<v Speaker 1>surprised by how long they were here. They're still here,

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<v Speaker 1>still getting that one one appearance in every episode.

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<v Speaker 2>Ah here, we remember us.

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<v Speaker 1>Please keep remembering us for a few moments.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, ah oh yeah, she's here too.

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<v Speaker 1>Just any more dogs in this show? I agree?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Where's what's he doing to.

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<v Speaker 1>Vincent? They should just have like done a second show

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<v Speaker 1>after this was over, of like the Adventures of vin

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<v Speaker 1>What has he been doing all this time?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>Is he just taking naps in the sun, which is

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<v Speaker 1>entirely possible. This would be the entire show, would be

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<v Speaker 1>Vincent sleeping and then and occasionally getting up to bark

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<v Speaker 1>at a.

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<v Speaker 2>Small monster or a polar bearing again, or.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, a bug in the bush, or you know

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<v Speaker 1>a small.

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<v Speaker 2>Animal and just eating fish or berries or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, slow moving creatures to live live in the life.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what would would make our dogs very happy

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<v Speaker 1>about Lost Island. No motorcycle, no trucks. Vincent is like

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<v Speaker 1>this is heaven. There are no motor vehicles anywhere. It

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<v Speaker 1>is safe.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't have to protect my people from anything, right,

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<v Speaker 2>They're good.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, these You're just going to ignore all the you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the monsters and the evil others, but there are no

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<v Speaker 1>as long as nobody's driving a car or a motorcycle.

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<v Speaker 2>Or a bicycle, we have we have problems with bicycles here, we.

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<v Speaker 1>Have problems with bicycles. Yeah, there's no bicycles. Yeah, so

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<v Speaker 1>a shortage of wheeled conveyances in the area of the

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<v Speaker 1>island that Vincent is on. So he's like, this is

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<v Speaker 1>the place.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, this is the place here. I like it. People

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<v Speaker 2>keep disappearing, but you know that's that's just the way

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<v Speaker 2>it is, I guess, And I'm going to just focus

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<v Speaker 2>on the good parts.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, right, which is no evil motors, right, excellent, love it.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a hatch that blew up and that was

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<v Speaker 1>kind of scary, but you know it was done and

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<v Speaker 1>then it hasn't made any noise since no.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, maybe Vincent can see into the future now.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Desmond didn't really get to do anything other than

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<v Speaker 1>look slightly crazy on the outskirts and like he really

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<v Speaker 1>could use a comb. Yes, obviously somebody has gotten this

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<v Speaker 1>man some shampoo and condition would they give him a comb? Right?

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<v Speaker 1>Possibly a blow dry?

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<v Speaker 2>Right? And he's found some clothes that are not Hurley's

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<v Speaker 2>got though. Was probably from Paolo I guess.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh could be he's not going to be that wardrobe.

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<v Speaker 2>But what are you eating? Sorry? The dog in the

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<v Speaker 2>room is what are you eating? Oh? Okay, it's okay.

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<v Speaker 1>We were talking and we were talking about a dog.

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, she has a phone and she like some

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<v Speaker 2>expertise was called for.

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<v Speaker 1>It's okay, you say there's a dog in the camp.

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<v Speaker 2>She's eating a phone and she got a chunk off

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<v Speaker 2>of it. Uh oh yeah, I'm just gonna pick that up.

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<v Speaker 2>Hang out. Okay, you can go back to it now, all.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Sorry, it's okay. At one I think it was

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<v Speaker 1>Locke said, I believe Echo died for a reason. I

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<v Speaker 1>just don't know. That is the lost writer speaking directly

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<v Speaker 1>to us.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that is the entire show right there.

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<v Speaker 1>Figured it out yet, but there'll be a reason, there'll

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<v Speaker 1>be something. Well, guy, just don't know. We'll get there eventually.

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<v Speaker 2>Trust us, trust us.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, he took their time. Yeah, but we need

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<v Speaker 1>thirteen weeks to figure out what the bleeb were doing.

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<v Speaker 1>You dig a hiatus, yep, everybody go I don't remember

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<v Speaker 1>what the reason was for that at the time and

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<v Speaker 1>how up and armous people were, but it seems like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, maybe maybe a little getting your bleep together

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<v Speaker 1>would be useful. Yes, particular children.

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<v Speaker 2>Everyone needs a break sometimes, even working, especially the teachers

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<v Speaker 2>and the parents. That's why we have summer vacation, right,

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<v Speaker 2>although summer vacation is not a break for parents the parents, No,

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<v Speaker 2>it is a break for the teachers.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So something is going on with Alex and her

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<v Speaker 1>boyfriend which is causing her to run around screaming.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, her boyfriend Carl, who was in the cage near Sawyer.

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<v Speaker 1>Things are not looking good for him. No, And uh,

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<v Speaker 1>something that I saw in lost Pedia And I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if it's a spoiler or not, but it's not

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<v Speaker 1>really spoily. It's just there was a name mentioned for

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<v Speaker 1>the first time in this app episode.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, Jacob, Jacob.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, somebody said Shepherd wasn't on Jacob's list, right, so

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<v Speaker 1>just file that name away. Yes, it will come back

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<v Speaker 1>to haunt us. They have thirteen weeks to figure out

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<v Speaker 1>who the bleep that is, and boy do they right?

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<v Speaker 1>But that is that is a name that will be

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how soon, but by the end, very significant, right.

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<v Speaker 1>the next few episodes, the next season, thirt episodes. It's like,

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<v Speaker 2>So in other words, don't trust. Don't trust Terry.

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<v Speaker 2>Like the others. Don't trust what they say.

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<v Speaker 1>on duster, which we'll be discussing. Yes, so you know,

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<v Speaker 1>she seems perfectly nice looking. How nice she looked.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, she didn't keep it for herself after she drugged

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<v Speaker 1>But the most such a thankless part for Nathan just

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but.

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<v Speaker 1>He says, I know this is real and true, Monica.

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<v Speaker 2>And you're like, uh, Occa, that's the wrong show. What

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<v Speaker 2>that's right? Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>That's so no doubt. And uh this is something that

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<v Speaker 1>certainly true of teenagers that romantic drama is a great motivator.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>Also cameras everywhere can imagine that already.

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<v Speaker 2>And we know that that Jack has plenty of anger

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, he does have. We had a Jack flashback lately.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll probably due for one.

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<v Speaker 1>He's kind of a mess. This is the guy you

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<v Speaker 2>He didn't know he needed to ask for a submarine

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<v Speaker 2>as well as for a wakie talkie hard.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, she asked to give him the Do you remember that?

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<v Speaker 1>the first No? I don't either.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think lost Pedia provided that for us, did it?

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<v Speaker 2>of that.

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<v Speaker 1>First to the first episode. Okay, So, and I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>feel motivated much. I guess we'll find out if and

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<v Speaker 1>when she ever ever walkie talkies in bad Meanwhile, Ben

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<v Speaker 2>Uh huh, But like you said, I'm not too worried

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<v Speaker 2>about him.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly. Spoiler but another parenting tip or a parenting reflection,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess, more like Sawyer tells Kate that he didn't

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<v Speaker 1>let her know that they were on a separate island

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<v Speaker 1>and would have to swim to get away because I

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<v Speaker 1>and you parents do that.

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<v Speaker 2>Mm hmm.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, we're not going to tell you the entire

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<v Speaker 1>truth of the situation so that you are not in despair. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>We're just gonna tweak it here and there. We're just

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<v Speaker 1>to do that. Yeah, I think that's defensible.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think any kid wants to hear the full

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly. I mean I think that's a huge part

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<v Speaker 2>of the motivation for parents. You know, just like you

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<v Speaker 2>are a little kid, like or even a big kid,

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<v Speaker 2>but you know you don't need to take this on,

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes it blows up on you, yeah, and sometimes you

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<v Speaker 1>just dump everything on them. Sometimes you have to lie

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of wine here, right, which is not something

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to read in your parenting.

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<v Speaker 2>But we'll tell you the truth.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you the truth. Sometimes you have to tell

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<v Speaker 1>lie to me? And it's like I wanted you to

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<v Speaker 2>Just file that away. Thank you, Thank you, lost writers.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, there you go. So do we have anything else

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think so. Like I said, I'm just glad

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<v Speaker 2>I don't have to wait thirteen weeks.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's right. Yeah, this would have been a bad

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, three months.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't necessarily leave the greatest taste in your mouth

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<v Speaker 1>and anticipation of what's what's gonna come next? Although, on

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<v Speaker 2>Probably somehow thirteen.

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<v Speaker 1>Weeks will not have elapsed in the time of in

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<v Speaker 1>the Racky Island time of our hero. Yes, exactly, you

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<v Speaker 1>will be just right back here, right back here.

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<v Speaker 2>Can't wait.

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<v Speaker 1>Nicki and Palo still surprise. I didn't remember them being

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<v Speaker 1>in these many episodes, But time will come anyway next Tuesday.

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<v Speaker 1>Unlike those people who have to wait thirteen weeks, you

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<v Speaker 1>only have to wait one straight to hear us continue

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<v Speaker 1>with season three, episode seven of Lost Not in Portland,

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<v Speaker 1>which I am happy to report is a Juliette flashback.

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<v Speaker 1>Interesting somebody we have never seen before. What we discover

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<v Speaker 2>Awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>Certainly at one point she was in Portland, yes, but

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<v Speaker 2>Now she's not anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>And we will see you back here tomorrow to discuss Duster,

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<v Speaker 1>which I feel like hast many of the same themes

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<v Speaker 1>as this episode. Today we shall see yes. Thank you

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<v Speaker 2>over the years.