Speaker 1: Welcome to the Parenting Roundabout podcast. I'm Terry Morrow and
Speaker 1: I'm Catherine Jileco. As parents and parenting writers, we can't
Speaker 1: help but see everything through a parenting lens. But as
Speaker 1: our kids have become adults, we find ourselves more interested
Speaker 1: in getting caught up on movies and streaming than I'm
Speaker 1: going over the same parenting topics over and over.
Speaker 2: So since we're pretty sure we can find parenting wisdom anywhere,
Speaker 2: we're going to talk about what we're watching, what we
Speaker 2: thought about it, and maybe what we can learn from it,
Speaker 2: if only what not to do. Watch and listen along,
Speaker 2: and let's all make like we're doing something important for
Speaker 2: our families.
Speaker 1: Each Tuesday, we bring you a watch or rewatch of
Speaker 1: an older entertainment property, And for this week of July seventh,
Speaker 1: we are continuing with Lost season three, Episode six I Do,
Speaker 1: in which we discover that Kit was a fugitive? Did
Speaker 1: you make that? Five?
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, How.
Speaker 1: Goodness for these flashbacks, for filling in the history of
Speaker 1: these people. It's so fascinating. Who would ever have guessed that?
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, And we stop Nice to See Nathan
Speaker 1: Filly in Nice to See You, I forgot you were
Speaker 1: in the show, and here you are for one episode
Speaker 1: being an idiot.
Speaker 2: Why if you are a fugitive do you choose to
Speaker 2: marry an officer of the.
Speaker 1: Law Because she's complicated.
Speaker 2: The heart wants what it wants, I guess, yeah, And
Speaker 2: I don't know she maybe she wants to partially wants
Speaker 2: to be ah.
Speaker 1: Fraught psychologically. I should say that. I think what best
Speaker 1: sums up this episode for me is something that my
Speaker 1: husband said about three quarters of the way through. He said,
Speaker 1: I don't understand anything in this stupid episode. I like
Speaker 1: that pretty much. Why are these people doing what they're doing?
Speaker 1: This is stupid? Yeah, so, yeah, pretty much. The answer
Speaker 1: to your question is they had many, many, many episodes
Speaker 1: of television have to fill and they just had to
Speaker 1: They just had to fill them with stuff. Sometimes the
Speaker 1: stuff is amazing. Sometimes the stuff is uh or reaction
Speaker 1: right there. Sometimes that's what it is. But this is
Speaker 1: one of the ones that was like, yeah, okay, right,
Speaker 1: these are recognizable human motivations. But okay, right, right, Oh my.
Speaker 2: God, maybe they are. I don't know, so well, yeah,
Speaker 2: is it a recognizable motivation to change your name and
Speaker 2: marry a cop? In it?
Speaker 1: Yeah, when you're yeah in a church. Yeah, it's the
Speaker 1: whole thing is questionable. And then of course we have
Speaker 1: the Dawson's Creek version of Lost over on Other Island,
Speaker 1: where you know, teenage romance is driving the whole plot. Yes,
Speaker 1: I love her, but she's with him, and so now
Speaker 1: I'm going to do this thing that doesn't really strike
Speaker 1: back at them at all, But I'm just going to
Speaker 1: do it anyway. And I don't know why. Maybe it's
Speaker 1: so should get away? Oh guys, you know, really, can
Speaker 1: we just move on to the next episode. I feel
Speaker 1: like we've been here before. How long are we going
Speaker 1: to have to deal with this triangle?
Speaker 2: Right? And I was I was reading on last Pedia
Speaker 2: that this was like a little mid season cliffhanger situation.
Speaker 1: So after this there were thirteen episodes off, thirteen weeks off.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I'm glad I'm not in that scenario because
Speaker 2: that would be frustrating.
Speaker 1: This is what you leave me with.
Speaker 2: Mmmmmm hmm, no, thank you.
Speaker 1: Well Ben is hanging there with this kidney clip for
Speaker 1: thirteen weeks. Yeah, what will happen? Do we suppose he
Speaker 1: will live? I suppose? So, yeah, I'm thinking arguably the
Speaker 1: most interesting character.
Speaker 2: So so he's gonna be okay.
Speaker 1: If he died, now, your friend in the library would
Speaker 1: not have been saying yes, her favorite character. So I
Speaker 1: think you can you can imagine that there is more
Speaker 1: to come from uh mister Linus, but and that we
Speaker 1: will know things about his life led him to be
Speaker 1: the miserable little It's not that he is. Oh gosh,
Speaker 1: Sawyer and Kate, yeah, still don't get that there are
Speaker 1: cameras on them. And even if they did, it was
Speaker 1: broad down You guys, you're in a cage with the
Speaker 1: door open in broad daylight. I don't want to save
Speaker 1: this for when it's I don't know, a little darker outside. Right,
Speaker 1: even if you didn't know that there was a camera
Speaker 1: so that Jack could watch you, which of course there's
Speaker 1: a camera so Jack can watch you, not even yeah,
Speaker 1: in the corner. This long, you can hold back your
Speaker 1: mad passion a little bit longer. Be adult, human beings.
Speaker 1: You're not sixteen, stop it. Yeah, and parenting tip, tell
Speaker 1: your children, I know, I know you want a baby,
Speaker 1: but wait till dark.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And if a voice says open the door, that
Speaker 2: voice is leading you somewhere. You probably don't need to
Speaker 2: go yes, indeed. So now Jack is like, Okay, I've
Speaker 2: seen what's happened here. I'm going to do this surgery,
Speaker 2: but I'm gonna somehow Doesn't he know that they're on
Speaker 2: a different island? Or does he? Or he doesn't Maybe
Speaker 2: he doesn't he I think he doesn't. Yeah, so he's like,
Speaker 2: Kate run, She's got nowhere to go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh well, I don't know. Maybe maybe she can swim.
Speaker 2: You know, how long is it between the Remember there
Speaker 2: was that episode where she and Sawyer went swimming down
Speaker 2: in that where there were like dead bodies and pulled
Speaker 2: their guns away from them and stuff. So yeah, she'll
Speaker 2: just do that.
Speaker 1: Did said? And and yes I did get back because
Speaker 1: he was with Lock, wasn't he? Yeah, but we have
Speaker 1: not seen is sun Jin and Son still out there
Speaker 1: on a boat somewhere? Maybe they could take her off?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we haven't seen that those two.
Speaker 1: Right, I've lost track of things. I don't think so,
Speaker 1: but they could pop up at any moment. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: any moment there all along.
Speaker 2: Right, were.
Speaker 1: Nicky and Pallo still hanging out, Yeah, still still there for.
Speaker 2: Still trying to make sure we know they exist.
Speaker 1: There for Echo's funeral out in the jungle. Their time
Speaker 1: will come, but it hasn't come yet. They're still I'm
Speaker 1: surprised by how long they were here. They're still here,
Speaker 1: still getting that one one appearance in every episode.
Speaker 2: Ah here, we remember us.
Speaker 1: Please keep remembering us for a few moments.
Speaker 2: Okay, ah oh yeah, she's here too.
Speaker 1: Just any more dogs in this show? I agree?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Where's what's he doing to.
Speaker 1: Vincent? They should just have like done a second show
Speaker 1: after this was over, of like the Adventures of vin
Speaker 1: What has he been doing all this time?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: Is he just taking naps in the sun, which is
Speaker 1: entirely possible. This would be the entire show, would be
Speaker 1: Vincent sleeping and then and occasionally getting up to bark
Speaker 1: at a.
Speaker 2: Small monster or a polar bearing again, or.
Speaker 1: You know, a bug in the bush, or you know
Speaker 1: a small.
Speaker 2: Animal and just eating fish or berries or whatever.
Speaker 1: Yes, slow moving creatures to live live in the life.
Speaker 1: You know what would would make our dogs very happy
Speaker 1: about Lost Island. No motorcycle, no trucks. Vincent is like
Speaker 1: this is heaven. There are no motor vehicles anywhere. It
Speaker 1: is safe.
Speaker 2: I don't have to protect my people from anything, right,
Speaker 2: They're good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, these You're just going to ignore all the you know,
Speaker 1: the monsters and the evil others, but there are no
Speaker 1: as long as nobody's driving a car or a motorcycle.
Speaker 2: Or a bicycle, we have we have problems with bicycles here, we.
Speaker 1: Have problems with bicycles. Yeah, there's no bicycles. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: a shortage of wheeled conveyances in the area of the
Speaker 1: island that Vincent is on. So he's like, this is
Speaker 1: the place.
Speaker 2: Right, this is the place here. I like it. People
Speaker 2: keep disappearing, but you know that's that's just the way
Speaker 2: it is, I guess, And I'm going to just focus
Speaker 2: on the good parts.
Speaker 1: Right, right, which is no evil motors, right, excellent, love it.
Speaker 1: There was a hatch that blew up and that was
Speaker 1: kind of scary, but you know it was done and
Speaker 1: then it hasn't made any noise since no.
Speaker 2: Right, maybe Vincent can see into the future now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Desmond didn't really get to do anything other than
Speaker 1: look slightly crazy on the outskirts and like he really
Speaker 1: could use a comb. Yes, obviously somebody has gotten this
Speaker 1: man some shampoo and condition would they give him a comb? Right?
Speaker 1: Possibly a blow dry?
Speaker 2: Right? And he's found some clothes that are not Hurley's
Speaker 2: tie D T shirt, So I don't know where he
Speaker 2: got though. Was probably from Paolo I guess.
Speaker 1: Oh could be he's not going to be that wardrobe.
Speaker 2: But what are you eating? Sorry? The dog in the
Speaker 2: room is what are you eating? Oh? Okay, it's okay.
Speaker 1: We were talking and we were talking about a dog.
Speaker 2: And yeah, she has a phone and she like some
Speaker 2: expertise was called for.
Speaker 1: It's okay, you say there's a dog in the camp.
Speaker 2: She's eating a phone and she got a chunk off
Speaker 2: of it. Uh oh yeah, I'm just gonna pick that up.
Speaker 2: Hang out. Okay, you can go back to it now, all.
Speaker 1: Right, Sorry, it's okay. At one I think it was
Speaker 1: Locke said, I believe Echo died for a reason. I
Speaker 1: just don't know. That is the lost writer speaking directly
Speaker 1: to us.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is the entire show right there.
Speaker 1: Figured it out yet, but there'll be a reason, there'll
Speaker 1: be something. Well, guy, just don't know. We'll get there eventually.
Speaker 2: Trust us, trust us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he took their time. Yeah, but we need
Speaker 1: thirteen weeks to figure out what the bleeb were doing.
Speaker 1: You dig a hiatus, yep, everybody go I don't remember
Speaker 1: what the reason was for that at the time and
Speaker 1: how up and armous people were, but it seems like,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe maybe a little getting your bleep together
Speaker 1: would be useful. Yes, particular children.
Speaker 2: Everyone needs a break sometimes, even working, especially the teachers
Speaker 2: and the parents. That's why we have summer vacation, right,
Speaker 2: although summer vacation is not a break for parents the parents, No,
Speaker 2: it is a break for the teachers.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So something is going on with Alex and her
Speaker 1: boyfriend which is causing her to run around screaming.
Speaker 2: Yes, her boyfriend Carl, who was in the cage near Sawyer.
Speaker 1: Things are not looking good for him. No, And uh,
Speaker 1: something that I saw in lost Pedia And I don't
Speaker 1: know if it's a spoiler or not, but it's not
Speaker 1: really spoily. It's just there was a name mentioned for
Speaker 1: the first time in this app episode.
Speaker 2: Yes, Jacob, Jacob.
Speaker 1: Yes, somebody said Shepherd wasn't on Jacob's list, right, so
Speaker 1: just file that name away. Yes, it will come back
Speaker 1: to haunt us. They have thirteen weeks to figure out
Speaker 1: who the bleep that is, and boy do they right?
Speaker 1: But that is that is a name that will be
Speaker 1: I don't know how soon, but by the end, very significant, right.
Speaker 2: I don't remember how well it took them.
Speaker 1: Look on lost Pedia sometimes I look at the episodes ahead,
Speaker 1: the next few episodes, the next season, thirt episodes. It's like,
Speaker 1: oh man, I forgot about this, right, there's so much
Speaker 1: they burnt so much plot, poor little.
Speaker 2: Things, and do we ever like does Michael and Walt
Speaker 2: ever come back?
Speaker 1: I don't remember, and.
Speaker 2: They just like took off in that tiny crottle boat
Speaker 2: and it was like.
Speaker 1: I think everything is eventually recycled in one way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I know if if nothing else, there's a there's
Speaker 1: a video that was released after the series was over
Speaker 1: at the featured World, So but I think he was
Speaker 1: I can't remember. There was a lot I mentioned. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of plot in this thing, and there's a
Speaker 1: lot of plot that I remember, and there's some that's
Speaker 1: like I know something happened and I don't remember. So
Speaker 1: it makes me, uh means I can't spoil everything, so
Speaker 1: be glad. And there's always a possibility that I'll spoil
Speaker 1: something and then realize later, oh, wait a minute, that's
Speaker 1: not what happened. There's been a few of those so far.
Speaker 1: Or I was pretty sure something went one way and
Speaker 1: it went a different way, and it's like, oh okay.
Speaker 2: So in other words, don't trust. Don't trust Terry.
Speaker 1: I am an unreliable narrator, much.
Speaker 2: Like the others. Don't trust what they say.
Speaker 1: I'm messing with you. I'm representing the others in this endeavor. Yeah, So,
Speaker 1: parenting tip wise, I think that Kate's flashback teaches us
Speaker 1: that you never know when someone may secretly be a fugitive,
Speaker 1: So stay paranoid. Yeah, you know, your kids suddenly comes
Speaker 1: home with a friend you've never met before. Hmm, okay,
Speaker 1: but I'm watching you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, get some backstory.
Speaker 1: This is why you want cameras in your kids room
Speaker 1: and you know, car and everywhere, so she can get
Speaker 1: all the intel, right, something that also would be useful
Speaker 1: on duster, which we'll be discussing. Yes, so you know,
Speaker 1: she seems perfectly nice looking. How nice she looked.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's nice enough to hand over a family heirloom.
Speaker 1: Right, she didn't keep it for herself after she drugged
Speaker 1: her husband and you know, probably ruined his career because
Speaker 1: dumb ass, you're supposed to be an officer of the law,
Speaker 1: but you married a fugitive. You didn't.
Speaker 2: I don't understand how it's something on her drugging him
Speaker 2: is gonna.
Speaker 1: Do so that they would know that he wasn't in
Speaker 1: on it, right, but supposedly is what they said.
Speaker 2: Almost I know, but it's and it's what Kate told
Speaker 2: him too when she did it.
Speaker 1: But the most such a thankless part for Nathan just
Speaker 1: he just got like four scenes of being a dupe.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but.
Speaker 1: He says, I know this is real and true, Monica.
Speaker 2: And you're like, uh, Occa, that's the wrong show. What
Speaker 2: that's right? Oh?
Speaker 1: Did you think you were on Friends?
Speaker 2: Oh well, I mean everybody was on that show at
Speaker 2: some point.
Speaker 1: That's so no doubt. And uh this is something that
Speaker 1: would be difficult for parents to use, but it is
Speaker 1: certainly true of teenagers that romantic drama is a great motivator.
Speaker 1: You know, you want to get Jack to uh do
Speaker 1: your surgery. Well maybe he'll do it for Kate. Oh wait,
Speaker 1: he won't do it for Kate. Well maybe Kate was
Speaker 1: with the other guy, then he'll do it. That worked,
Speaker 1: So you know, you gotta see things the things that
Speaker 1: kids are really really Uh yeah, fine that to an
Speaker 1: unhealthy degree and.
Speaker 2: Use that to your advantage.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, either bribe them with more of it or threaten
Speaker 1: to take it away. You know, anger is a good motivator, so.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: Also cameras everywhere can imagine that already.
Speaker 2: And we know that that Jack has plenty of anger
Speaker 2: to work with.
Speaker 1: Yes, he does have. We had a Jack flashback lately.
Speaker 2: We'll probably due for one.
Speaker 1: He's kind of a mess. This is the guy you
Speaker 1: want operating on your doing your spinal surgery. He probably
Speaker 1: won't hijack the surgery to get what he wants.
Speaker 2: He didn't know he needed to ask for a submarine
Speaker 2: as well as for a wakie talkie hard.
Speaker 1: Well, she asked to give him the Do you remember that?
Speaker 1: Do you remember the story that he told her in
Speaker 1: the first No? I don't either.
Speaker 2: I don't think did.
Speaker 1: I don't think lost Pedia provided that for us, did it?
Speaker 2: No, we would have to go back to the recap
Speaker 2: of that.
Speaker 1: First to the first episode. Okay, So, and I didn't
Speaker 1: feel motivated much. I guess we'll find out if and
Speaker 1: when she ever ever walkie talkies in bad Meanwhile, Ben
Speaker 1: is in mortal peril.
Speaker 2: Uh huh, But like you said, I'm not too worried
Speaker 2: about him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. Spoiler but another parenting tip or a parenting reflection,
Speaker 1: I guess, more like Sawyer tells Kate that he didn't
Speaker 1: let her know that they were on a separate island
Speaker 1: and would have to swim to get away because I
Speaker 1: wanted you to believe that you have a bleep chance,
Speaker 1: and you parents do that.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: It's like, we're not going to tell you the entire
Speaker 1: truth of the situation so that you are not in despair. Right,
Speaker 1: We're just gonna tweak it here and there. We're just
Speaker 1: gonna leave out this piece of information, and you have
Speaker 1: to do that. Yeah, I think that's defensible.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't think any kid wants to hear the full
Speaker 1: on facts right of life every day. That should not
Speaker 1: be their responsibility to deal with.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. I mean I think that's a huge part
Speaker 2: of the motivation for parents. You know, just like you
Speaker 2: are a little kid, like or even a big kid,
Speaker 2: but you know you don't need to take this on,
Speaker 2: so yeah, I will do.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it blows up on you, yeah, and sometimes you
Speaker 1: maybe made a bad judgment call on that, but you
Speaker 1: got to make the call, right, you know, you can't
Speaker 1: just dump everything on them. Sometimes you have to lie
Speaker 1: a lot of wine here, right, which is not something
Speaker 1: you're going to read in your parenting.
Speaker 2: But we'll tell you the truth.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you the truth. Sometimes you have to tell
Speaker 1: stories and you know they will eventually blow up in
Speaker 1: your face and your child will say, what did you
Speaker 1: lie to me? And it's like I wanted you to
Speaker 1: believe that you have a bleep chance. Right there, there's
Speaker 1: your line.
Speaker 2: Just file that away. Thank you, Thank you, lost writers.
Speaker 1: Yes, there you go. So do we have anything else
Speaker 1: to say about this stupid episode?
Speaker 2: I don't think so. Like I said, I'm just glad
Speaker 2: I don't have to wait thirteen weeks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. Yeah, this would have been a bad
Speaker 1: note on which to have to wait.
Speaker 2: Yeah, three months.
Speaker 1: It doesn't necessarily leave the greatest taste in your mouth
Speaker 1: and anticipation of what's what's gonna come next? Although, on
Speaker 1: the other hand, thirteen weeks is a long time for
Speaker 1: Ben to hang there on the opper Nick and his kidding.
Speaker 2: Probably somehow thirteen.
Speaker 1: Weeks will not have elapsed in the time of in
Speaker 1: the Racky Island time of our hero. Yes, exactly, you
Speaker 1: will be just right back here, right back here.
Speaker 2: Can't wait.
Speaker 1: Nicki and Palo still surprise. I didn't remember them being
Speaker 1: in these many episodes, But time will come anyway next Tuesday.
Speaker 1: Unlike those people who have to wait thirteen weeks, you
Speaker 1: only have to wait one straight to hear us continue
Speaker 1: with season three, episode seven of Lost Not in Portland,
Speaker 1: which I am happy to report is a Juliette flashback.
Speaker 1: Interesting somebody we have never seen before. What we discover
Speaker 1: about her and how she wound up.
Speaker 2: Awesome.
Speaker 1: Certainly at one point she was in Portland, yes, but
Speaker 1: and now.
Speaker 2: Now she's not anymore.
Speaker 1: And we will see you back here tomorrow to discuss Duster,
Speaker 1: which I feel like hast many of the same themes
Speaker 1: as this episode. Today we shall see yes. Thank you
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