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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the show. I'm Martin Willers, your host,

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and I'm really excited about tonight's guest. My good friend

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Chris Lido is on with us tonight and we're just

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going to have a fun discussion. We can talk a

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little bit about this, a little bit about that, and

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I have actually no idea where we're going, but we'll

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have fun. And So the blog this week by Charles

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Lear is lying sauce of working party. Now you can

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kind of try to figure out what that means. I

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have not had a chance to read it, but as

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all the blogs that Charles says, it's going to be

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very well researched. Check out our website and that blog

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and dozens and dozens and dozens of other blogs at

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podcastufo dot com. I want to thank all of our

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supporters as usual, I really appreciate it. Without you, we

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could not move on. The show does cost money. Anyone

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can be a supporter over at Patreon, and I want

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to also thank each and every listener. Now we're going

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to be talking a little bit about Low's book, because

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he and I are both right in the middle of

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reading it. And what I'm talking about is Luis el

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Asondo's book Eminent, and we are both into that. We're

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going to talk a bit about that and so much more,

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and I'm ready to bring in our guests.

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Speaker 2: How you doing, Chris, Hey Martin, Great to be here,

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good to see.

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Speaker 1: You, so good to have you back. And that was

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you know, I have to I've said this many times,

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but this is really the first time you've been on

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since a year ago, you know, July twenty sixth. That

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hearing was definitely the highlight of doing what I do.

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That was really amazing. I mean, do you think about

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that sometimes and how do you do you feel similarly

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about that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't believe it was over over a year

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ago now, I know it's just flying by. Yeah. It

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was certainly a surreal experience.

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Speaker 1: It really was. And just to think that you were

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the very last person in that door out of the.

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Speaker 2: Member Sarah gave up her seat. She was fund of

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me because she was with us.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, people that snuck in front of it.

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Speaker 2: I still get a lot of comments saying like, I

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can't believe you said you were there. You're not in

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any of the photos.

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Speaker 1: Oh really, Well, you know what the funny thing is

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is every time I see this, And you know, I

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just watched a Ross Coldheart interview lu Elisondo, and sure

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enough you could see my camera sticking right up in

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the air and back row.

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Speaker 2: I paused it.

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Speaker 1: I make all the.

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Speaker 2: Shots I was gonna check out maybe you can see

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me in there.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, I don't know if I've ever I've

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seen myself and Donn in a couple of pictures, you know,

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but I don't know if I've ever actually seen you.

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I'm not really sure if you were really there.

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Speaker 2: Actually, yeah, I'm not sure either. It was amazing, and

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looking back, I guess I figured we'd have another one

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by now.

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Speaker 1: I know, and I think they're going to happen. And

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one of the things I was going to ask you

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are are you would you actually come over again? Or

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would it depend on how you know? How it sounded

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like if it was like some major players, who would

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you come back over again?

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Speaker 2: I mean, it seems like I'd certainly be uh interested

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for sure. Last time it was a last minute decision

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as well. You know, they said I think next week.

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It's a week prior when we made the plans.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, I I know I mentioned this before

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when we were there but I got up in the

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morning and I I said to Donna, I just saw

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that Chris Leto is going to be there, and if

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he's going there, coming all the way from Portugal, then uh,

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let's go. And we made the plans and you know,

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it was like last minute, like you said, I didn't

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you know, getting around and all that, but it all

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worked out really well. Yeah, your your buddy that lived,

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you know right there. That was so that was amazing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Hopefully still he's still there. I can crash his

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place again. Yeah, yeah, do another show. Yeah, I would.

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I would definitely want to. I have. I was actually

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trips coming up next week. I go to Hestel in

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Speaker 1: Right, you've been there a few times, one.

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Speaker 2: Time there, one time, that's it. I was scheduled to

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go a second time for the second diving operation and

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that got canceled or I canceled it. They they went

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and did the operation. But now going back for their

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field trip weekend. Awesome, Yeah, it should be awesome.

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Speaker 1: Now. That must have been really another surreal experience for you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, especially since you're so tired from traveling. You know,

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jet lag, but still you have to wake up at

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then you're busy the whole time you're there. It was

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only three days there, kind of like DC. You know,

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it's almost like a dream anyway, you're so tired from

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the jet lag and whatever. But yeah, I'm pretty excited.

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Carl the Crusher. Oh really, Yeah, he's going all the

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way from Utah. He just bought tickets and we're trying, hopefully,

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we're trying to get Jim Sigala to go. If he

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watches this, he should definitely go to install his moopass systems.

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Do you know about that? The move pass? So basically

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Nation show, which is Kicking all of Our Butts. Yeah,

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that's amazing content. So he was on there. Jim Sigala

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was on there and he was talking about these It's

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basically a measuring system that experiencers can buy and put

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in their house. Oh okay, and fracts it online.

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Speaker 1: Yep.

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Speaker 2: You actually don't know what move past the actual acronym

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stands for it, because I should look it up but

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or know it better. But we'll find out all the

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details in hestallin because that's what Carl's trying to do

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there is basically work with team Hestal and Fred Pallison

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and the forty plus people there to basically try and

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install these systems around the hestall And Valley and they

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measure all types of radiation. They measure, you know, all

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types of gigahertz ranges. It's like from very low I

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think infrasound even they actually have sensors that detect infrasound

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all the way up to you know, maybe many gigahertz.

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So people can have some you know, crazy experience for

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what they consider an experience and then go and actually

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So we'll learn all about that and Heston go out

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into the Heston Valley and then they have a couple

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of night trips planned or we're going to go out

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with a bunch of cameras. So it's a bunch of

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UAP NERD. It's going to be also super fun. I

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can't wait. Massimo Tara Dorani will be there. I've interviewed

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him a few times. He's the astrophysicist from Italy that's

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done a bunch of work there. Yeah, several decades, he's

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Erling Strawan will be leading it.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, Strand, right, Airling Strand. What's his last name?

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Speaker 2: Strand? Yeah, I don't know how to say it correctly.

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I say everyone. I say everyone's naming correctly anyway.

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Speaker 1: So just a couple of things. Not everyone in the

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world knows what we're talking about, and you know how

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new listeners always come in and check things out. As

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a matter of fact, I'm going to ask you to

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say a little bit about yourself. But first of all, Heselin,

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the Heselin Lights, that's a phenomenon that's gone. I forget

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how far back that has gone. Erling's been on this

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show before talking about it, but.

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Speaker 2: I think Erling started kind of the project and it

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was in the early eighties, I want to say eighty

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one or eighty three, but yeah, basically it's Project Hestalon

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has been this valley up in Norway, kind of mid

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Norway where it's actually colder in middle Norway because it's

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in the mountains, and this valley has been the location

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hotspot essentially of many lights in the sky over the years.

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Erling Strahd went there in eighty one, I believe. It's

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all in their website Project Hestalon dot org and they've

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been having systems out there in the form of cameras

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and other basically tracking devices whatever they can put out there,

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which has basically been cameras, videos, and still photography for

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since then, so forty years essentially. And he's had a

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website that he that has been up and running for

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Speaker 1: Now, so there's been a lot of you know, talk

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about the possibilities. Here's I'm going to open Project hesselin

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here and I can put these also. Oh, the field

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trip that you're going to be on right there there,

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it is right there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So anyway, there's a lot of people that are

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speculating that this is some type of you know, natural

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phenomenon due to you know, the metal content or you

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know natural resources there or something like that. What are

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Speaker 2: That was one theory and that it's the battery idea

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that basically you have a giant natural battery somehow being

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created through the rocks. There's a lot of quarts in

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the area. And I think I don't know if Masimo

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there is a scientific paper on that theory essentially saying

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that it is a natural battery. And so what you

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get is these kind of strange anomalies light anomalies if

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you will discharging this type this amount of energy into

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it is a natural phenomenon, no one can actually define

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what it is because your normal ball lightning doesn't last

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that sort of duration. Ball lightning's like three to five seconds.

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certain frequency and that should give you like a discrete

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spectral line. They've done spectral analysis of these lights as well,

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but what they're finding is you get like full spectrum

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black body type radiation.

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Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, I mean you can see the reflection. Is

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Speaker 2: No, they just overlaid the spectral analysis.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I get it, I get it. I see it now,

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I understand it now. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what they're showing is that it has a full

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body spectrum that's black body radiation essentially, is what they're

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arguing from a lot of these data captures. That was

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just one there. So yeah, and they also that's just

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that part of it, which is I think the part

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you should go after, right, the part that you can

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actually see in touch or at least see and get

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and get photo and video evidence of. And then if

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you are getting radar, they have gotten radar hits off

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these things as well, Is that right? So that all

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types of crazy stuff up there. They've done all types

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of experiments over the decades, and so they will.

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Speaker 1: A radar reflect a un natural phenomenon or not, you

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know what I mean? Like would radar saypos plasma. Is

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there any way to know whether a radar would bounce

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Speaker 2: I don't personally know. Actually, yeah, I know radar bounces

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off of flocks of geese, and it bounces off of

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little ice particles. So that's how in our in the

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poor man's weather radar, where you tune it and try

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it's thicker, it's being returned in that area, you're like, Okay,

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there reflecting the radar energy back, you know, some sort

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they say is there's instances where it moves like light speed,

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you know, where they get radar hits that don't seem

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to make sense. Yeah, and then they can't pare it

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to any natural phenomenon like ball lightning. No one can.

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those kind of ideas, But the general consensus, I would

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say from the mainstream is that, you know, just there's

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nothing to see there. It's really just you know, the

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standard arguments swamp gas, et cetera. Yeah, yeah, it doesn't

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match any good theory.

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Speaker 1: I can't recall when you were there. Did you see anything?

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Speaker 2: Uh no, I saw the Aurora borealis.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, which is really cool.

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Speaker 2: I saw lights, lights, I saw northern lights. Yeah yeah,

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it was amazing, really good show.

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we had not that what was it a month or

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two ago. We had incredible all over the country. We

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could see in place, so normally we couldn't, you know,

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which is pretty.

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Speaker 2: Awesome based on solar flares. Yeah, yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 1: So just in a nutshell for the person you know

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that is not familiar with you, and you know, I

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know you have a lot of followers that your show

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is doing really well, and you were on. I remember

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the first time I invited you to doing the show.

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You almost you told me that you almost did not

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come on because the first time, I'm like making the jump, right,

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yeah yeah, because I.

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so you can't say it was a different thing, like no, yeah, yeah,

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for UFOs. Oh yeah, it was the first first podcast

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I went on.

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah. Basically I grew up in Houston, went to

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the Air Force Academy right out of college, and then

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and then was lucky enough to travel all around the

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world flying different assignments, really varied assignments. You have to

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move every two to three years. Never saw you anything

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related to UFOs, never thought about it. I've adhere to

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the strict scientific viewpoint that it's too far away. You

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know nothing, as far as we understand it. Nothing in

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travel faster than the speed of light. So yeah, there's

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probably alien life out there, but it can't get here,

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et cetera. Yeah, until basically David Fravor's testimony. So I

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retired in twenty twenty. We were living in Spain. Really

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liked Europe and wanted to stay in this area, and

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so we moved to Portugal, retired here and started making

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YouTube videos about varied topics. And really what gained traction

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was talking about this topic UFOs, And it's quite interesting.

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Speaker 1: I remember watching your one of your early videos on

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the subject, debunking the debunkers and something like that, and

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that was Mickwest's kind of lame excuse for one of

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the one of the videos, and you just broke it

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down on why it couldn't be what Mick West said

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with your expertise breaking it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we had that big. It was pretty awesome, I'd say,

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an epic d D debunking debate off essentially as Mickwest

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has a team of very smart people actually that work

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at metabunk. They don't even know the volunteers. Yeah, yeah,

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so he's able to use that team to his advantage

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to get these kind of interesting little points that he says,

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Oh that's incorrect, you know, which doesn't invalidate the whole video.

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I found it. I believe it is rotation based on

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the pod. You know, it's the internal workings of the pod.

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I agree with him, but it doesn't change any of

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the fact that it's still an anomalous object based on

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how far away it is, based on how it's maneuvering,

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and the fact that it's giving some weird you know,

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over oversaturation of the pod anyway, that it's causing a

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glare it, Yeah, is all in line with it being

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anomalous or some sort of anomalous orb et cetera.

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Speaker 1: Do you remember, I don't know if you'd remember his

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take on the tic TAC video. So I had basically,

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I had Mickwest and Kevin Day on at the same time,

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and Kevin went and basically said that there's absolutely you know,

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he pointed out reasons why it couldn't be what Mick

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West was actually saying that it was. And I'm sorry

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I can't remember the details in whole, but the thing

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that was really quite amusing out of it is that

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Mick West said, I see what you're saying. I understand.

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So basically he was admitting that he was wrong. Mick

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West admitted that he was wrong, and two weeks later

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I saw him on the news and he was right

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back to where one like. He never had the conversation

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with Kevin Day. So you know, whatever works, I guess,

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And now he's like the leading expert according to all

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these news people. They bring him on as a leading expert,

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which is kind of.

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Speaker 2: I haven't seen him as much though I really haven't. Yeah,

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I don't know, maybe I just don't watch him.

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Speaker 1: I think it makes a lot of good points, but

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you know, and it's I think it's really important to

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have someone like him out there. But when he, you know,

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is so obvious that he's wrong, I don't understand why

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he would he would stick with something you know, to

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me that doesn't that's not real science or you know,

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when you you know, when you can figure it out,

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but you're still going to stick with your past thoughts.

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You know, a lot of people are you know, do that,

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but still doesn't make it right. But so now you

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and I Now I'm actually in Lou's book right now,

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Lou al Xandra, who's coming up on this show in

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September tenth. And by the way, I'm getting a lot

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of people sending questions for me to ask him already,

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but I'm in, you know, I'm about chapter five, chapter six.

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Now Lou is actually reading the book to me because

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I got the audio version and so it's really really great.

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Speaker 2: I like it.

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Speaker 1: I also have the book coming on on the way too.

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But but it's fun, you know, listening to him him talk.

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So I'm enjoying that because I can do work and

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other things while or drive or whatever and listen to it.

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So it's been it was a good idea to do that.

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So what are your thoughts so far in the book?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm loving it. I think it's so fantastic books

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so far. I think I'm in chapter twelve.

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something like that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know how to cover it, you know,

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I want to bring out so many points out of

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the book, but also, you know, I don't want to

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step on loose toes. You know, I want him to

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present his material. He has his own YouTube channel now

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as well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah I saw that, Yeah, yep.

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Speaker 2: But so I think there's a amazing parts talks about

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the twenty three minute video. I thought that was really interesting.

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm waiting for. And I asked him that

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question last time he was on you know, when can

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we expect to see that? Because that's supposedly a game changer.

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I don't know what detail he goes to it into

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it in the book, but you know, that's I think

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so many people waiting for that, And I actually already

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have a couple of people have written that question what

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happened to the video? You know? They want me to

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ask him that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he definitely goes into a page of detail maybe

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on it in the book that it's it sounds quite compelling. Yeah,

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he also said in the in the interview. So I

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watched the I was reading the book. I'd probably be

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done with it, except then it came out with multiple interviews.

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with him interview with him, and the Rogan interviews. I

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thought it really interesting. He says that the videos we've

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seen are the least compelling, and then you know, he said,

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you're talking four K video. There's hundreds of compelling videos. Oh,

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I'm sure we can't explain.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. He mentioned one of the pilots flying and they

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hear something on the rate or they see something on

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the radar, and then the pilot he cusses, and something

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flies within fifty feet of the windscreen, that it's a

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wedge shaped object.

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Speaker 1: Boy, that would be scary, wouldn't it to be that close.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how you would video it though, in

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the cockpit.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, that's going by so fast, right, I mean, yeah,

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you kind of wonder if.

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Speaker 2: There's weird optical effects, if it's like a bird or something.

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can be bird at twenty five thousand feet also, right, yeah,

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but it's yeah, it sounds like they pausedive and you

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can see it clearly as an object, some sort of

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weddg shaped object.

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Speaker 1: Hmm. So just I want to just skip back. I

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want to continue this conversation, but I want to skip

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back and ask you about when you were trained. Did

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they ever talk about I'm not going to say the

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word UFO, UAP, whatever, but do they ever talk about

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if you see something you have a hard time identifying,

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or anything along those lines when you were being trained. No,

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So I mean, how would how would you know it

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was supposedly it was that was addressed in the the

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Air Force Academy book one time and removed. You know,

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I think there were some people that had uncovered that

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that it was actually there. But I mean, I'm just

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surprised that there was never any mention of you know,

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because of course you have to identify, and you know,

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you're a lot of the technology identifies anyway, but still

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you have to still identify things. And you can never

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recall anytime that they would mention anything.

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Speaker 2: About nothing about unidentified flying objects, not once. Yeah, I

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mean you're always trying to figure out what something is

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that where the enemy is and where the enemy is not.

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You know, if f is an interrogator friendly er foe,

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that's one of your main systems. So you're definitely always

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trying to identify stuff. But even in the air I

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can't remember a single time I was like I can't

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identify that on the by looking outside visually, and it

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was my airspace. Like if something's in your airspace that

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you're fighting in and you detect it with your radar

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or your eyes, I think you have to identify it.

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Speaker 1: Now when you do see something like that, When you do,

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you have to write a report. Like if it's a

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when you're identifying something, I'm sure you do if it

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was an adversary. But I mean, and uh, you know.

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Speaker 2: Right well, they have Remember remember it came out. There's

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a Freedom of Information Act request in those warning areas

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on the East Coast, there was a lot of there

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were those UAP sightings like I went through like forty

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of them that came out. It was redacted. Okay, it's

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because those were in the in the airspace. So if

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it interferes with a mission, for some reason or especially

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safety of flight. It's really safe. Anything to do with

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safety of flight, you have to make a report, right,

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So if something of you know, large enough size that

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it could damage an aircraft is in the airspace, then

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that it should be a safety of flight report. In

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actually safety of flight, I was reading loose book. That's

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kind of the one thing I think would be most

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beneficial for UAP investigation, at least in the d D

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is all safety information. They enacted this what's called safety privilege,

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and so what that means is what they found is

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people would would not bring out information, so would they

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lie probably or at least they wouldn't bring anything out

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for sure when it comes to accident investigations. So what

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they do is they do two separate complete accident investigations.

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Whenever there's an accident, they do the AIB, which is

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the Accident Investigation Board, and basically that's like criminal has

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lawyers and such. They reach your whites right. Well, what

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they do is they added a secondary channel called safety

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safety privilege, and no one can read. No one actually

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knows the identification of any of the stuff that's in

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the safety privilege file. So it's non attributional and so

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it's protected by law essentially unless you do something criminal,

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like with criminal intent you went to steal something. But

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if you just make a mistake, then what will happen

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is it'll be protected through safety privilege. And I think

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that would be the best way to actually treat the

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UAP topic is to say that it's a safety of

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flight issue and just use the safety channels that we

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already have, and when they investigate that, you just take it.

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You already have the safety world that already does all

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these investigations. Now you just say, okay, we're going to

475
00:26:47,519 --> 00:26:52,799
add in safety UAP and then it just falls in

476
00:26:53,039 --> 00:26:56,720
under the whole investigation everything like FA is whenever there's

477
00:26:56,720 --> 00:27:01,640
a commercial incident, well at least in the Air Force,

478
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:05,400
they do safety privilege where they're going to go investigate,

479
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:09,599
but it's going to be non retributional, so none of

480
00:27:09,599 --> 00:27:11,880
the names are saved, they scrub all the data, et cetera.

481
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:15,119
So that would be a great way to get accurate

482
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:17,160
reporting from UAP events.

483
00:27:17,839 --> 00:27:19,880
Speaker 1: Do you think Ryan Grave is just going to, you know,

484
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:22,119
make a difference in any of this with what he's

485
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:22,599
trying to.

486
00:27:22,559 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 2: Do, without a doubt, Yeah, he pushed, so Americans for

487
00:27:28,039 --> 00:27:33,839
Safe Aerospace pushed through his amendment. I believe it was

488
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:38,599
shot down, right, I think that was Garcia posted an

489
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:43,200
amendment to the House bill, and it talked about requiring

490
00:27:43,519 --> 00:27:48,640
FAA to allow UAP reporting or some instant there was

491
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:53,279
some way it helped. It required fa UAP reporting from

492
00:27:53,279 --> 00:27:56,440
what I understand, but it was shot down within like

493
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,119
two days. They cut it before it even made it

494
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,119
didn't even make it to the floor or anything.

495
00:28:01,599 --> 00:28:05,079
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's too bad. I mean, it just it

496
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:08,480
seems like it's a no brainer because it's like you say,

497
00:28:08,519 --> 00:28:10,519
it's in a way it's safety of flight, or it

498
00:28:10,559 --> 00:28:13,200
could be you know, it could be interpreted as that.

499
00:28:13,759 --> 00:28:16,960
Speaker 2: Well, they found it. You're talking safety of flight. Millions

500
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:21,480
and billions of dollars in many lives. They were finding

501
00:28:21,519 --> 00:28:25,759
that doing retribution, so going after people criminally actually was

502
00:28:25,839 --> 00:28:29,680
hurting the investigations obviously, and so people were not bringing

503
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,960
out when they made mistakes. They weren't bringing up safety issues.

504
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:35,680
So it's kind of the same thing here as people

505
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,960
aren't bringing up any UAP events that they see because

506
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:43,279
of the stigma they fear of retribution. Right, So there's

507
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:45,319
there's already a channel that exists, at least in the

508
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,319
in the DoD world. So any of these military sightings

509
00:28:48,359 --> 00:28:51,359
could just be followed up. They could just be classified

510
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:55,599
as safety events under UAP, and then all these people

511
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:57,440
are safe, their identities are protected.

512
00:28:58,759 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, now let's get back to to loose book and

513
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:06,160
all that. For one thing, I I watched uh, you know,

514
00:29:06,279 --> 00:29:11,960
Ross's Coldheart interview him the other night and and saw

515
00:29:12,039 --> 00:29:16,599
Jennifer actually talking his wife, Jennifer, you know, talking about

516
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,759
the toll that has taken on the family. And I've

517
00:29:19,799 --> 00:29:21,519
been in touch with her now for a couple of

518
00:29:21,559 --> 00:29:24,640
years and or three or four years, I think, And

519
00:29:25,039 --> 00:29:26,839
so I wrote her immediately. You know, I had no

520
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:30,119
idea it was this much of a strain on your family,

521
00:29:30,759 --> 00:29:34,920
And wasn't that bizarre these I mean, I I highly

522
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:38,559
recommend people if you haven't watched that interview, it's and

523
00:29:38,599 --> 00:29:40,880
I haven't. I haven't watched the Joe Rogan one yet,

524
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:45,240
but I probably will. But the green orbs, you know,

525
00:29:45,319 --> 00:29:48,240
the hitchhiker effects so to speak, and the green orbs

526
00:29:48,279 --> 00:29:51,119
that were like terrorizing them and you know, in their

527
00:29:51,519 --> 00:29:56,079
and their home. And and that's one I've heard for

528
00:29:56,119 --> 00:30:00,319
some reason green orbs I've heard before that are just

529
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,359
these little small things and almost seem like they're under

530
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,599
intelligent control. I'm not sure if that's the deal or not,

531
00:30:06,759 --> 00:30:08,880
but it really is strange.

532
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 2: But that's what you said, and can go through walls.

533
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, yeah, bizarre. But I mean again, you know,

534
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:22,960
she makes the point where you know, people think or

535
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:26,160
say all these mean things. She has written some things

536
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:29,480
to me that how people have terrorized them basically, and

537
00:30:30,759 --> 00:30:35,000
it's unfortunate that there's people out there that are trying

538
00:30:35,039 --> 00:30:38,720
to make other people's lives miserable, just you know, and

539
00:30:38,799 --> 00:30:41,480
accuse them of all sorts of things, the grifting and

540
00:30:41,559 --> 00:30:45,119
all that. All the accusations which is you know, kind

541
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:48,400
of silly because of you know, when she talks about

542
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:51,480
having to take a job at Target and then at

543
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,480
home depot just just to get by, you know, those

544
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:58,240
it's not like they're you know, getting a lot of

545
00:30:58,279 --> 00:30:59,680
money out of this whole situation.

546
00:31:00,799 --> 00:31:08,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. People always complain if anyone promotes their book. Yes,

547
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:13,720
but there's there's like three people making money in books,

548
00:31:13,799 --> 00:31:16,440
you know, I think it's it's quite rare. It's not

549
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,359
like you're going to pay a normal salary unless you're

550
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:23,240
one of the extreme top bestsellers, you know, and I

551
00:31:23,279 --> 00:31:26,160
wish his book to be one of those top top

552
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:27,960
best sellers. I think it could be easily.

553
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 1: I do too. And he put his you know, when

554
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,400
I was saying I was in touch with her, I started,

555
00:31:35,839 --> 00:31:38,799
you know, communicating with her, I think around the time

556
00:31:38,839 --> 00:31:42,559
when he started the book, and you know, she said

557
00:31:42,559 --> 00:31:45,440
that he's in it really really is taking all of

558
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:49,599
his time, and so he was really really involved in

559
00:31:49,839 --> 00:31:51,960
writing that book and so far. You know, I had

560
00:31:52,039 --> 00:31:54,839
no idea that he did any type of remote viewing.

561
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,960
I thought that program had closed in like nineteen seventy

562
00:31:58,079 --> 00:32:00,720
or something like that. But you know, he claims that it,

563
00:32:00,759 --> 00:32:04,279
you know, was continued use you know, that it was

564
00:32:04,599 --> 00:32:12,160
actually something substantial, and you know, I mean so I

565
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,359
don't know which I had in the book. I will

566
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:16,960
have it. I will be through it, you know by

567
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:19,640
the time I have lu On and uh, you know,

568
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:23,640
to have some really good, hopefully good questions for him.

569
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 2: It's amazing the breath of topics that it covers, you know,

570
00:32:28,279 --> 00:32:35,160
angels and demons, right, remote viewing, Yeah, the implants that

571
00:32:35,279 --> 00:32:37,400
was also interesting. I was I was surprised to see

572
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:42,319
Jennifer on the podcast or the show with Russ Coultart

573
00:32:42,799 --> 00:32:45,880
and then who also had the picture of the implant

574
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,599
that yeah, supposed microfibers coming out of it as some

575
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:53,400
sort of weird uh fibers coming out of it strands

576
00:32:53,519 --> 00:32:57,440
and then was moving of its own cord and power.

577
00:32:59,279 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 1: That is really scary.

578
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,119
Speaker 2: And I was a metal inside as well, so it

579
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,680
was metal surrounded by some biological tissue.

580
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:11,119
Speaker 1: Now it seems to me that that would be analyzed,

581
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,640
you know what the heck it was. And yeah, that

582
00:33:13,759 --> 00:33:15,839
stuff that was coming out of it looked like little

583
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:19,559
plastic arms or something, which is you know, these little

584
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:24,640
squiggly things, which is really bizarre. I don't think there's

585
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:28,279
anything natural that's gonna grow like that. Plus so that

586
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:30,559
it's evading, you know, evading.

587
00:33:30,279 --> 00:33:34,799
Speaker 2: The doctor, yes, evading. Yeah, it's creepy.

588
00:33:34,839 --> 00:33:37,079
Speaker 1: Wouldn't one. It reminds me of the movie Alien. I

589
00:33:37,119 --> 00:33:39,960
would not want anything inside of my body like that.

590
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:41,640
That's so bizarre.

591
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:46,039
Speaker 2: I made a video last week about Alien, didn't comparing

592
00:33:46,119 --> 00:33:50,039
it to uh praying mantis. Oh yeah, I tried to

593
00:33:50,119 --> 00:33:54,480
do some sort of fun side topic based off of Alien.

594
00:33:55,599 --> 00:33:58,079
Speaker 1: So you really, you really ramped it up. And I

595
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,839
remember you and I had a conversation right before you

596
00:34:01,279 --> 00:34:02,839
you said you were going to really ramp it up.

597
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:07,160
And so sometimes i'll see like four and five shows

598
00:34:07,359 --> 00:34:09,239
released all at one time, you know from you.

599
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:11,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was over the summer starting in June. I

600
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:13,960
did for forty five days. I did a video every

601
00:34:14,039 --> 00:34:21,639
day and then and then totally burned out, crashed, Yeah,

602
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:23,639
summersaulted down and then crashed.

603
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 1: Yeah.

604
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:29,760
Speaker 2: Now during two a week, yeah, two a week now, Yeah,

605
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:30,920
Tuesdays and Fridays.

606
00:34:31,519 --> 00:34:34,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's still that's silly. I mean, you've got

607
00:34:34,679 --> 00:34:37,559
a great audience, you know. I mean there's still a

608
00:34:37,639 --> 00:34:39,599
lot of a lot of people are really interested. But

609
00:34:39,679 --> 00:34:41,960
I've said this, and I know you and I've had

610
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:45,679
the conversation that there's so many people, and I do

611
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,559
want to actually mention it this time that I really

612
00:34:48,639 --> 00:34:53,760
do appreciate everyone that watches this YouTube channel and wherever

613
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,599
it is else you know, Facebook and all the other places,

614
00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:00,599
and who listen to the audio. That's where my you know,

615
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:04,960
my major audiences is audio. And I really really appreciate

616
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,599
it because I know I'm going to sound like an airline.

617
00:35:07,639 --> 00:35:10,440
I know you have lots of choices, because you really,

618
00:35:10,519 --> 00:35:13,519
really do. There's you know, people that have these YouTube

619
00:35:13,599 --> 00:35:18,199
channels that have like three million subscribers say well maybe

620
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:20,599
i'll go down this road, and you know, this is

621
00:35:20,679 --> 00:35:23,880
really popular now, and so I know there's a lot

622
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,119
of people out there that are you know, I've watched

623
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:28,719
you know, the views go down on YouTube, but my

624
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:33,119
audio stays the same. But still the YouTube, you know,

625
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,039
has gone down quite a bit. And I don't think

626
00:35:36,079 --> 00:35:38,719
it's because of the content. I don't know, maybe I'm

627
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:43,119
fooling myself, but I think it's because of the variety

628
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:46,719
of shows that have popped up, hundreds of them.

629
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:50,599
Speaker 2: Huge, huge variety. Well you've how long you've been in

630
00:35:50,679 --> 00:35:52,480
this game? Nine ten years now?

631
00:35:53,119 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, thirteen? I think thirteen years coming up in November.

632
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So I think you must have seen a

633
00:36:01,159 --> 00:36:06,800
large influx of random people like me joining and starting podcasts.

634
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:11,840
Speaker 1: Ever since twenty seventeen, you know, that article came out,

635
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:18,360
So twenty eighteen, I started seeing more and more. But

636
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:22,400
I would say in the last year, year and a half,

637
00:36:22,519 --> 00:36:28,760
there's been an influx of hundreds of shows on this topic.

638
00:36:29,039 --> 00:36:31,960
Some people I've watched, you know, I get Palmer, who

639
00:36:32,039 --> 00:36:37,840
I had, Palmer who helps me out with all types

640
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:44,199
of information, and he's also a great artist. I commissioned

641
00:36:44,199 --> 00:36:50,320
a little painting that he did, and so Palmer has

642
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:54,280
sent me all types of you know, videos constantly of

643
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:58,000
these different takes on UFOs, UAP, whatever you want to

644
00:36:58,039 --> 00:37:02,440
call them. And there's some really great shows out there.

645
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,960
I have to admit that people are doing a really

646
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:10,840
good job with this topic and very fascinating and yeah, so.

647
00:37:11,559 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's great for you know, discovery, it's

648
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:20,880
great for learning more information, great for disclosure, bad for

649
00:37:21,039 --> 00:37:25,239
our channel view numbers, et cetera. Yeah, well we need

650
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:26,320
to step it up, et cetera.

651
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think either one of us ever had

652
00:37:30,199 --> 00:37:33,079
started this with that in mind. I know I didn't,

653
00:37:33,159 --> 00:37:35,320
you know, I mean way back when you know, I

654
00:37:35,519 --> 00:37:38,639
was I put money into the show on a monthly

655
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:43,360
basis for you know, six years, you know, several hundred

656
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:47,239
dollars a month and doing the show, you know, but yeah,

657
00:37:47,679 --> 00:37:50,039
you know, it's it's at a point where it's it's okay,

658
00:37:50,159 --> 00:37:53,079
now it's it's but but I mean for a long

659
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,760
the longest time. So what I'm getting at is, I

660
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:58,800
don't think either one of you or I ever thought

661
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:01,840
of doing the show. Money had anything to do with anything.

662
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:03,400
It's just a curiosity.

663
00:38:03,519 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 2: And yeah, exactly for me, it was something I could

664
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:12,239
something I could do from overseas.

665
00:38:13,639 --> 00:38:16,760
Speaker 1: You know, were you doing something else prior to this on?

666
00:38:17,039 --> 00:38:19,119
Did you have that YouTube channel established?

667
00:38:19,159 --> 00:38:23,039
Speaker 2: And no, I retired in twenty twenty. I actually did

668
00:38:23,119 --> 00:38:25,000
write a book for six months. I wrote a book

669
00:38:25,039 --> 00:38:29,159
about flying in Iraq, and I have it. I have

670
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:32,360
the draft finished, but I have to go back and

671
00:38:32,559 --> 00:38:36,880
I have to rewrite it, rewrite it, h re edit.

672
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,800
I still haven't. But I did that for six months.

673
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 1: Like it.

674
00:38:41,079 --> 00:38:43,039
Speaker 2: It does take a long time, a lot of mental effort.

675
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:47,079
And then started the YouTube channel and like you said,

676
00:38:47,119 --> 00:38:50,559
you put money in time, you know, for at least

677
00:38:50,599 --> 00:38:54,599
the first year and a half, right, and then now yeah,

678
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:57,840
pays for itself and for additional trips.

679
00:38:59,159 --> 00:39:00,800
Speaker 1: Yep, yeah that's right.

680
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 2: Really thanks to viewers. Yeah, I love I love the audience.

681
00:39:04,559 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. Isn't it fun to meet people? I

682
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,400
mean when we were in Washington, all the people we

683
00:39:09,559 --> 00:39:12,920
both met, that was so much fun, you know, I mean,

684
00:39:13,679 --> 00:39:16,519
like people recognizing us and you know, we feel like

685
00:39:16,599 --> 00:39:17,280
a celebrity.

686
00:39:19,079 --> 00:39:20,280
Speaker 2: You are a celebrity of Barton.

687
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:25,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I guess. But but still it was it

688
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:28,239
was so much fun to just be there with you know,

689
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:32,320
like minds as they say. And and remember that poor

690
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:34,559
girl that drove all the way from where did she

691
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:36,960
drive from? She was right behind us and she didn't

692
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:41,199
get in. Was so frustrating. She was she was you

693
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:43,440
knew her, You were very friendly with her. She was

694
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:46,360
New Year's you know, she came there. One of the

695
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:50,039
reasons she came there was to me too, what's that Sarah?

696
00:39:50,679 --> 00:39:51,719
I think? So blonde here?

697
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:56,559
Speaker 2: Yep. Yeah. We went on a tour after with the congressman.

698
00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:59,599
Oh yeah, yeah from North Carolina.

699
00:40:00,079 --> 00:40:02,840
Speaker 1: Uh oh that's right, that's right. Yeah.

700
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:05,559
Speaker 2: Now Sarah's in the UAP Society. Yes, so she was

701
00:40:05,639 --> 00:40:09,679
one of the moderators this whole community that grew up

702
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:14,559
up society now and they have their own channel. They

703
00:40:14,639 --> 00:40:17,079
do really have their own YouTube. Yeah. U A P Society.

704
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:19,960
I started it and then now it's run by Ali

705
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:22,840
and and Justin. But Sarah was also there.

706
00:40:24,679 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 1: I'm gonna check that out.

707
00:40:26,079 --> 00:40:29,280
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, UEP Society definitely check it out. Every week

708
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:31,639
they do a weekly UFO news show.

709
00:40:32,199 --> 00:40:38,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's another example another we started another one.

710
00:40:39,159 --> 00:40:44,079
Speaker 2: I started competition for us. Yeah, youah to get more

711
00:40:44,119 --> 00:40:48,599
information out there. There was one point I wanted to

712
00:40:48,639 --> 00:40:51,880
bring up about the book is for the remote viewing.

713
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:56,480
He also Louel Zondo also talked about the cau date putamen.

714
00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:00,880
Is that part of the brain. Gary Nolan said that

715
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:05,039
it was enlarged in the cases that were brought to him,

716
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:08,239
and he said that could be where you gain your

717
00:41:08,599 --> 00:41:11,159
whatever intuition. I think he said that before. Gary Nolan

718
00:41:11,199 --> 00:41:15,440
has on other podcasts, but that could be related to

719
00:41:15,559 --> 00:41:19,639
also remote viewing, that remote viewers have a larger So

720
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:23,280
they also made that relationship when you mentioned remote viewing

721
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:26,000
and Loewell's on, I thought of that where they made

722
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:28,800
a relationship between that part of the brain.

723
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:35,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so he also mentioned that in the Ross's

724
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:41,039
Coultheart interview where he said he didn't know if that

725
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:46,639
either attracted you know, UAP or that you know it

726
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,960
was an after effect, you know, which is is still

727
00:41:50,519 --> 00:41:55,639
very interesting and you know, I'm wondering it seems like

728
00:41:55,760 --> 00:42:00,519
if this study is is there's really let it each

729
00:42:00,559 --> 00:42:04,119
of this study. I'm wondering how far that will be taken.

730
00:42:04,519 --> 00:42:10,039
In other words, will the government get involved in actually

731
00:42:10,079 --> 00:42:13,599
studying this or is that just too far out there

732
00:42:13,639 --> 00:42:13,960
for them?

733
00:42:17,559 --> 00:42:19,840
Speaker 2: Well they are right allegedly from Aero.

734
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:24,039
Speaker 1: Oh you think they are getting involved. I don't know.

735
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:31,280
Speaker 2: It's amazing, right, we get just such opposing perspectives, you know,

736
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:34,639
you get lou Elizondo who comes out and says this

737
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:38,360
is real. Then they stand up the arrow, and then

738
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:42,119
Sean kra Patrick says at you know, vehemently, he's still

739
00:42:42,199 --> 00:42:44,119
saying it. You know, he's not even the director anymore.

740
00:42:44,199 --> 00:42:46,599
He goes on podcasts, you know, there's no evidence of

741
00:42:46,639 --> 00:42:50,840
et we saw everything. It's always the same people. And

742
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:54,159
then but he's mentioned also nothing about the nimts or

743
00:42:54,199 --> 00:42:56,599
the gimbal or the nuclear events. You know, they haven't

744
00:42:56,679 --> 00:42:58,719
touched any of that stuff. Aero hasn't.

745
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:03,760
Speaker 1: Well, here's what thing that I watched this kind of

746
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:08,119
unknown conference where Sean was going to be talking. I

747
00:43:08,199 --> 00:43:11,800
watched it live and someone in the audience raised her

748
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:14,280
hand in the front row of the press and they said,

749
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:18,239
what about the you know, the two thousand and four

750
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:23,119
tic TAC incident off of California. And Sean blatantly said

751
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:27,760
that you out there you have all the information I have.

752
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:32,719
I don't have any other information that, so what's what's

753
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:35,960
to investigate? You can see everything on YouTube. That was

754
00:43:36,039 --> 00:43:39,639
his That was his point on that, and I'm thinking,

755
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,599
oh my god, is he trying to say that, you know,

756
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:46,920
those bricks were taken off the uh what I can't

757
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:50,800
forget the name of the ship, the Princeton, right, the Princeton,

758
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:54,679
those data bricks were taken by someone. And if that's not,

759
00:43:55,159 --> 00:43:58,719
you know, more evidence and I'm sure there's much more

760
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:03,320
camera footage just supposed to be a lot of footage

761
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:07,679
of that that's unseen and so we see basically saying

762
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:10,760
there's nothing to see here. What do you think about exactly?

763
00:44:12,079 --> 00:44:15,119
Speaker 2: And that's what Loue Alzando said. There was another interesting

764
00:44:15,199 --> 00:44:18,840
point I learned from the book is that they investigated

765
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:26,480
the NIMTS A tip did so they did a full investigation. Yeah,

766
00:44:26,519 --> 00:44:30,400
he said he I think he sat in an interview

767
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:32,920
with Alex Tetric or at least when she was talking

768
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:37,519
to Congress, and he said, they have all the data

769
00:44:37,599 --> 00:44:43,280
on it, at least they've done a full investigation. So

770
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:47,960
I was very interested to hear that. And yet when

771
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:51,079
you hear kirk Patrick say that there's no more information. Well,

772
00:44:51,079 --> 00:44:56,320
obviously there's a full another investigation that the that the

773
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:59,039
Air Force has done. You know, is it the same

774
00:44:59,159 --> 00:45:02,079
thing that's been covered already. I can't imagine there's no

775
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:04,320
new data. What about the radar tapes, et cetera.

776
00:45:05,199 --> 00:45:08,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, But I mean for him to say that

777
00:45:08,119 --> 00:45:10,960
you everyone out there has all the information there is

778
00:45:11,039 --> 00:45:14,760
on that, I thought that was really pretty lame.

779
00:45:15,159 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 2: And Alixander said unequivocally, and I believe the Rogan interview

780
00:45:20,679 --> 00:45:23,000
or the Coultart interview he said, yeah, he's lying. Kirk

781
00:45:23,039 --> 00:45:28,239
Patrick said he live. Yeah, quite interesting that. So no,

782
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:31,400
I don't think they're investigating it, at least not from

783
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:36,320
at least not from Aero.

784
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:42,280
Speaker 1: So on the shows that you've been you've been doing,

785
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:48,239
I have to say you've been doing so you put

786
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:51,440
out something every forty five days, so you're catching up

787
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:55,239
to me as far as the shows that I have

788
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:58,840
out there, and I know it with a lot of work.

789
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:02,159
But did you learn a lot doing that?

790
00:46:02,599 --> 00:46:06,559
Speaker 2: Yeah? I learned immense amount. And that's when you said,

791
00:46:06,559 --> 00:46:08,880
why do you start doing the YouTube? You know, I'm

792
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:12,360
sure you did as well because you I'm assuming you

793
00:46:12,559 --> 00:46:16,440
like to talk to people, and so you enjoy interviewing

794
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:21,360
people every week. Yes, I really enjoyed learning, just learning

795
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:24,960
new things. So if I can combine that learning with

796
00:46:25,119 --> 00:46:27,000
a video, that that's what I did. And so I

797
00:46:27,119 --> 00:46:28,760
just focused on what did I really want to learn

798
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:32,840
about that day and then buckled down and made a

799
00:46:33,119 --> 00:46:35,800
video about it for the you know, for the following

800
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:37,719
day or whatever. So it was really focused on what

801
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:41,280
I want to learn about, which doesn't always align with

802
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:47,280
my audience what they want to hear, you know. Yeah, yeah,

803
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:49,480
there's certain videos that they just don't like at all.

804
00:46:49,519 --> 00:46:51,719
And you mentioned views there there's so much competition now

805
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:54,239
in the UAP space. You know, if you make a

806
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:59,639
video off topic, I'm still interested in it. But yeah,

807
00:46:59,679 --> 00:47:02,400
that's that's why I do this to to try and learn. So, yeah,

808
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:05,159
I learned a huge amount. I covered a variety of

809
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:08,679
topics going past the old cases. I thought that was interesting.

810
00:47:09,039 --> 00:47:12,800
I learned about astronaut cases, you know, I didn't know

811
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:15,639
in the first moon landing actually on the way there

812
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:19,639
there was a UAP siding m I learned about that

813
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:25,039
quite very interesting. Uh. Yeah, I learned about a Russian

814
00:47:25,119 --> 00:47:29,039
case for nets of for nets a, was that the

815
00:47:29,079 --> 00:47:32,920
one with the real tall beings or yeah, ninety tall

816
00:47:33,119 --> 00:47:34,480
like three eyes, and they like.

817
00:47:34,679 --> 00:47:38,840
Speaker 1: Uh, that's such an intriguing case. I know Peter Robbins

818
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:41,320
had done some work on that. I'm not sure who

819
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:44,440
else hasn't investigated that, but yeah, that's a real in

820
00:47:44,559 --> 00:47:48,039
a park or something that is such a bizarre.

821
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:52,639
Speaker 2: Yeah another kid mass sighting one. Yeah, yeah, I find

822
00:47:52,679 --> 00:47:56,599
And then I went through I did the Australian cases

823
00:47:57,199 --> 00:48:00,280
Westall and yeah, I went through Westall because I hadn't

824
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:02,039
really spent too much time with that, so I you know,

825
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:04,920
I had to catch up you guys with thirteen years

826
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:08,599
of experience, you know, you know all this stuff. Yeah,

827
00:48:08,599 --> 00:48:10,599
I still get comments, you know, like I can't believe

828
00:48:10,639 --> 00:48:11,360
you don't know about this.

829
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 1: Oh god, I mean you're just I mean there's still

830
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:20,480
like I love learning new cases, and there's lots of

831
00:48:20,559 --> 00:48:24,519
them that I've never heard about before. And I'll mention

832
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:27,480
Eyes on Cinema is you know, putting out all these

833
00:48:27,519 --> 00:48:32,800
things in Palmer, who I was mentioning before meeting up

834
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:34,679
with him, he has sent me, you know a lot

835
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:37,880
of really interesting cases that have never never heard before.

836
00:48:38,599 --> 00:48:40,679
And I've tried to get in touch with that person.

837
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:45,159
Eyes on Cinema and they you know, they were bounced

838
00:48:45,199 --> 00:48:48,519
off of YouTube at one point because of copyright material

839
00:48:48,599 --> 00:48:51,280
and now so yeah, I don't know how they get monetized.

840
00:48:51,599 --> 00:48:53,679
He's not monetized. But you can buy him a cup

841
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:54,639
of coffee.

842
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:56,559
Speaker 2: That's right. Okay, that's how it gets around it.

843
00:48:56,679 --> 00:49:01,159
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, yeah, But I don't know how anyone can

844
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:06,199
get that material that he get. He gets. He's never

845
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:10,239
responded to me anytime I've written him, But I know

846
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:13,199
I can't you know, I don't know what countries and

847
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:15,840
I do you know anything about that channel?

848
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:19,679
Speaker 2: No, I watch it time to time, that's it. Or

849
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:21,639
I or I use videos from there if I can

850
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:23,000
and they're not copyrighted.

851
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:25,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I try, and.

852
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I use Well there's a Canadian case falcon Falcon Lake.

853
00:49:29,159 --> 00:49:31,360
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, talking lake. That's always fascinating me.

854
00:49:31,519 --> 00:49:34,360
Speaker 2: I used one one of his videos for that Falcon

855
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:37,519
Lake with and I saw that in the Ross Coulthard

856
00:49:37,599 --> 00:49:41,760
interview with Louel Zondo. They showed biological effects and that

857
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:43,760
was one where he's supposedly standing in front of the

858
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:46,800
vent and it makes like the vent shaped the grid

859
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:49,960
mark pattern. Yeah, like a grid on his on his

860
00:49:50,119 --> 00:49:54,920
chest in radiation, which allegedly came back later a few

861
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:57,239
times in his life. So it was like ingrained deeper

862
00:49:57,280 --> 00:49:58,440
than the skin level or something.

863
00:49:59,599 --> 00:50:02,840
Speaker 1: There's there's supposed to be a plaque there, but it's

864
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:06,360
really remote and hard to get to. But supposedly someone

865
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:09,119
put a plaque where the incident happened. That would be

866
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:10,320
that's interesting.

867
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:12,800
Speaker 2: Too, because they went they allegedly went there, the Mounted

868
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:17,079
Police or the Mounties went there and tested it with

869
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:22,199
radiation counters and detected radiation. Yeah, just like Randallstrom Forrest.

870
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:27,239
That's also you see that in I was just literally

871
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:30,639
before we talked, I was reading and lose book about

872
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:34,960
it was the nineteen eighty one case or nineteen eighty

873
00:50:35,039 --> 00:50:40,360
case in Texas. Betty, Uh, you know sees the diamond object.

874
00:50:40,199 --> 00:50:45,199
Speaker 1: And it Oh yes, yes, so you know a Landrum

875
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:46,440
cash Landrum.

876
00:50:46,159 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 2: Case Cash Landrum Betty, Okay, yeah.

877
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:51,440
Speaker 1: Yeah. Colby's bepent on the show. He doesn't do very

878
00:50:51,559 --> 00:50:56,880
many appearances at all, and he I did talk him

879
00:50:56,920 --> 00:51:00,880
in getting on my show one time, and since that time,

880
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:04,400
I've had all these like TV stations and stuff contact

881
00:51:04,519 --> 00:51:07,400
me wanting me to you know, reach out to him,

882
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:10,159
but he doesn't really want to be interviewed any longer

883
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:13,599
at this as far as I know, you know. But

884
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:17,519
but yeah, that's a fascinating case. And Michael Schrader is

885
00:51:18,039 --> 00:51:20,800
one hundred percent convinced that was one of ours. You know,

886
00:51:21,159 --> 00:51:24,559
that it could have been like radiation, I think nuclear

887
00:51:24,639 --> 00:51:27,320
propulsion or something like that gone wrong.

888
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:31,599
Speaker 2: What's interesting is probably one of the most interesting cases

889
00:51:31,639 --> 00:51:33,440
I learned. You asked what I learned over the past

890
00:51:33,519 --> 00:51:37,840
the forty five days sprint? Was this the Barbel case,

891
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:42,400
giant Barbell case. Yeah, I love Canada. Yeah, and it

892
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:45,800
really showed. I mean, the witness is just amazing.

893
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 1: He's like, literally the guy come forward and identify himself.

894
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:53,079
Speaker 2: I mean, that guy should go to a hearing. He's

895
00:51:53,119 --> 00:51:54,800
got the video where he took the video and it's

896
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:57,679
just static. You can't see, but you can hear. Yeah,

897
00:51:58,039 --> 00:52:00,559
why would you have no static on a on a videotape?

898
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:04,360
So interesting, and his cameras wouldn't turn on. And he

899
00:52:04,559 --> 00:52:08,639
was like a laser physicist. So he basically said that

900
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:14,079
the craft worked by electromagnetic propulsion, some sort of em field.

901
00:52:14,119 --> 00:52:16,239
There was anodes and cathodes and it would create this

902
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:21,599
plasma around the object when it was rotating. And so

903
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:24,760
what he said, he like measured the plasma. He knew

904
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:27,559
it was twelve inches across and could determine like the

905
00:52:27,679 --> 00:52:32,000
actual power output. It was some immense ridiculous power output

906
00:52:33,079 --> 00:52:37,559
for this electromagnetic craft. But that goes back to Loo's book.

907
00:52:37,639 --> 00:52:42,320
He talks about EMPs essentially, that's what how Putov said.

908
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:45,840
It was an electromagnetic pulse that knocked down two aircraft

909
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:49,320
at Roswell. Yeah, Lou again comes out says, he says

910
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:53,159
Roswell was real. There were two craft and they got

911
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:57,360
four bodies out of that deceased one.

912
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:01,320
Speaker 1: Thing I thought was kind of interesting that he said

913
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:04,000
that one craft actually took off.

914
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:08,320
Speaker 2: That's right, Yeah, that's right. So one crashed and then

915
00:53:08,599 --> 00:53:10,079
one was still intact and left.

916
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:17,119
Speaker 1: But yeah, supposedly the one that would have taken off,

917
00:53:17,199 --> 00:53:22,320
it was like fifty miles away. That other supposed thing

918
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:25,960
the size of a Volkswagen was there. I don't know,

919
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:28,360
you know, I mean, it's so confusing, and I've had

920
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:31,360
people on trying to figure out that whole thing is,

921
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:34,519
what's real and what's you know, I don't want to

922
00:53:34,519 --> 00:53:38,440
say fabricated, but just rumor or whatever, trying to figure

923
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:41,920
it all out. But yeah, that was you know, he

924
00:53:42,039 --> 00:53:45,280
did mention how many times the government has lied about that.

925
00:53:46,199 --> 00:53:48,440
You know, I can't believe this. But we're at the

926
00:53:48,559 --> 00:53:51,039
end of the show already. How did it happen?

927
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:56,639
Speaker 2: Chatterboxes? Yeah, oh, I want to tell you mentioned we

928
00:53:56,760 --> 00:54:00,320
mentioned Ross Cultard a few times. He's killing it. But

929
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:06,199
I'm going on an Egyptian trip that JP Haig set

930
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:08,800
up and he advertised it as Ross Coulthard. It was

931
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:12,559
like eighteen months ago. I totally forgot I even signed up.

932
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:17,400
It got delayed because of the war and then but

933
00:54:17,559 --> 00:54:19,960
now it's going in November, so we'll actually.

934
00:54:19,679 --> 00:54:22,280
Speaker 1: Be Oh my god, that ought to be a blast. Huh.

935
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:26,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's long. It's eleven days. I think ten days.

936
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 1: Wow, boy, that'll be a great fer. That's amazing, great

937
00:54:32,519 --> 00:54:34,760
experience for you. All right, man, we gotta go, so

938
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:36,000
good to see you.

939
00:54:36,559 --> 00:54:40,480
Speaker 2: Okay, Thanks Mary, Let's talk soon, all kay, see bye?

940
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:43,480
Speaker 1: All right, everyone, So we'll be back. I keep saying

941
00:54:43,519 --> 00:54:46,199
we're gonna have Earl Gray on next week. This time

942
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it's for real. One time he had to reschedule, but

943
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I had it mixed up with between Chris and and Earl,

944
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so he will be on next week. Thank you so

945
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much everyone, and keep your eyes to the sky.