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Speaker 1: Crimes come in all shapes and sizes. Some can be
Speaker 1: as benign as jaywalking across the street or little excess
Speaker 1: noise past certain hours in a suburb. From there, things
Speaker 1: can escalate from vehicular speeding to that and all the
Speaker 1: way up to murder. Today, a crime is committed that
Speaker 1: isn't on the extreme end of the list. The music
Speaker 1: store in the seventies called the Hi Fi Store was robbed,
Speaker 1: but it did quickly escalate from there. Where it does
Speaker 1: get worse is when the stores employees are held hostage
Speaker 1: in the store's basement and made to do horrendous things
Speaker 1: before being killed in front of one another. This is
Speaker 1: the case known as the High Fi Murders.
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Speaker 2: I've actually heard of this case, not that I could
Speaker 2: say I know much about it, but I had the
Speaker 2: title for once actually rings a Bell.
Speaker 1: Well, are you able to say anything that you know
Speaker 1: about it? Or is it just kind of like, hey,
Speaker 1: this rings a bell and.
Speaker 2: Like can't okay, I mean, as you go through, things
Speaker 2: might dawn on me. But the title was definitely I
Speaker 2: was like, oh, okay, this is a bigger case. I
Speaker 2: feel like it is.
Speaker 1: A bit of a bigger case for sure. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: it's kind of a brutal in a sense of what
Speaker 1: some of the people had to go through. That's a
Speaker 1: big part of this awesome yeah.
Speaker 2: Wow, because there's a lot of nasty motherfuckers in this world.
Speaker 1: Oh, there certainly is people who are shortage brutal things,
Speaker 1: and this is no exception to that case. Because yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: let's hear it, let's do it. So it starts on
Speaker 1: April twenty second, nineteen seventy four. This goes back to Ogden, Utah,
Speaker 1: where the Hi Fi Audio Store was about to close
Speaker 1: for the day. Now, Stanley Walker was twenty years old
Speaker 1: and Michelle Ainsley was eighteen. They were the only two
Speaker 1: employees on the shift of the time. They were preparing
Speaker 1: to finish up at the store for the day, which
Speaker 1: was located on twenty three oh nine Washington Boulevard. So
Speaker 1: the store, the High Fi Store, consisted of home audio
Speaker 1: equipment like speakers. I mean, this is a seventy so
Speaker 1: record players, stacks of records lined the walls, all this
Speaker 1: sort of stuff for popular music of the era, that
Speaker 1: sort of thing, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it probably would have been a popular store.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm thinking like HMV of the early two thousands
Speaker 1: and nineties. For me growing up with all the CDs everywhere, yep,
Speaker 1: well I just dated myself that, Yeah, you really did. Anyways,
Speaker 1: this one had records. So the two employees were cleaning up,
Speaker 1: getting ready to close the store, and just before they
Speaker 1: were ready to close shop and lock the doors, something
Speaker 1: unexpected happened. Some men entered the store. Some men entered
Speaker 1: the store brandishing handguns oh shit, yeah, and pointing them
Speaker 1: right directly in the face of the young workers.
Speaker 2: That's terrifying, yep.
Speaker 1: Now two workers were staring down the barrel of these guns.
Speaker 1: It was something quite literally out of a nightmare. But
Speaker 1: they kept their cool as best that they could. However,
Speaker 1: it's unfortunate though they wouldn't be the only ones involved
Speaker 1: the robbery just beginning to happen. Sixteen year old Courtney
Speaker 1: Nayspit would unknowingly stubble into the robbery and progress.
Speaker 2: Oh shit, like as a customer.
Speaker 1: Not as a customer. So a little bit of the
Speaker 1: backstory here. Courtney was running some errands earlier around town
Speaker 1: and he was friends with Stanley who worked at the store. Okay,
Speaker 1: so he was like, Hey, I'm running some aarons around town.
Speaker 1: Do you mind if I'm just like parking the store's
Speaker 1: parking lot, because like, parking is tough sometimes, right, so
Speaker 1: can I just use a store parking lot and like
Speaker 1: walk around, do my errands and come back grab my
Speaker 1: car and sort of thing. Okay, so he got permission
Speaker 1: to do so, and he was just returning from his errands,
Speaker 1: and he went to enter inside the store to thank
Speaker 1: his friend and express the gratitude being allowed to partner
Speaker 1: the car spot. And he entered the store and was
Speaker 1: greeted not with the usual friendly atmosphere, but instead with
Speaker 1: the sight of his friends standing still as the robbers
Speaker 1: brandished the gun in his face.
Speaker 2: Retal, that is just it's one of those moments where
Speaker 2: it's just really just the most shittiest timing kind of thing. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like you're really just in the wrong place at the
Speaker 2: wrong time.
Speaker 1: Yep. That's pretty much the gist of that.
Speaker 2: Because yeah, he could have just parted somewhere else and then,
Speaker 2: you know, wouldn't have to deal with what we're about
Speaker 2: to hear.
Speaker 1: Well, and even if he was just like, hey, thanks
Speaker 1: letting me park here, I'm going to go do my errands,
Speaker 1: I'll take off and I'll leave you be. Instead of
Speaker 1: bothering you.
Speaker 2: Again, oh, instead of being nice and thanking again.
Speaker 1: Right, but instead instead of popping in his car and
Speaker 1: taken off. He went back in to see his friend
Speaker 1: again for a second time to say thank you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's what caught him in the situation.
Speaker 2: Dang.
Speaker 1: So the men of course quickly noticed him entering the store,
Speaker 1: and of course quickly apprehended him as well. So now
Speaker 1: they had three hostages if you will, or victims, and
Speaker 1: they took the three of them and directed them down
Speaker 1: to the basement of the store. They were there, each
Speaker 1: were forced to lay down on the ground on their
Speaker 1: stomachs and they began to tie them up, binding their
Speaker 1: hands and feet together.
Speaker 2: Jeez.
Speaker 1: As the three were being bound in the store, the
Speaker 1: robbers were looking through the store's stock. Time was ticking by.
Speaker 1: They needed to figure out what exactly they were going
Speaker 1: to do, right, They're clearly here to rob the store,
Speaker 1: so they're kind of keeping an eye out through the
Speaker 1: whole process.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: It was also during this that time was beginning to
Speaker 1: Like I say, tick By and Stanley should have been
Speaker 1: home by now from work, and Courtney was also expected
Speaker 1: to be home by now, But for some reason, it
Speaker 1: seemed the errands were taking a little too long. So
Speaker 1: concerned for their children's safety, Stanley's father or in Walker
Speaker 1: and Courtney's mother, Carol Naysbit, would each separately go out
Speaker 1: in search of their own kids.
Speaker 2: Okay, they were on it, Hey they were.
Speaker 1: And now, remember this is the seventies two, because this
Speaker 1: is before social media, this is before cell phones. So
Speaker 1: you can't just be like, hey, I'm gonna send you
Speaker 1: a text or I'm going to Facebook or Instagram or
Speaker 1: snapchat you. It's uh no, if you want to get
Speaker 1: a hold of someone, you actually have to go out
Speaker 1: and physically track them down. So Carol, let's start with her,
Speaker 1: would make her way to the high Fi shop as
Speaker 1: she knew her son Courtney had probably made his way
Speaker 1: there to see his friend Stanley. Now, she parked a
Speaker 1: car at the rear of the store, of course, seeing
Speaker 1: her son's car there.
Speaker 2: Too, right, Yep.
Speaker 1: She entered through the back of the store. I'm assuming
Speaker 1: by this point she's probably pretty familiar with the staff
Speaker 1: because her friend's there lots. She knew to go there,
Speaker 1: so I'm sure she's been in and out quite a bit.
Speaker 1: She was on a mission, and I'm pretty sure it
Speaker 1: was with an angry mother's intent, because she just kind
Speaker 1: of like barged in looking for her son, and of course,
Speaker 1: looking for an explanation, being like, what the fuck, why
Speaker 1: are you out here? Spokes to be doing errands? Now,
Speaker 1: you're just chilling at the record store, right, So she
Speaker 1: flung the back door open and walked into the shop.
Speaker 1: She was met instantly with one of the robbers and
Speaker 1: a gun pointed directly in her face, and he shouted
Speaker 1: what are you doing here? Man? And without missing a beat,
Speaker 1: even with the gun in her face, she replied, I'm
Speaker 1: checking on my son. What's going on here?
Speaker 2: Seriously, like she was just like on a mission, hey,
Speaker 2: like get the fuck out of my way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a gun in her face and she's like, what
Speaker 1: the fuck are you doing?
Speaker 2: Wow?
Speaker 1: Props to her because I probably would have wet myself
Speaker 1: in that situation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, you almost feel like your instinct would well,
Speaker 2: I don't know, like turn around and leave. But like
Speaker 2: then your son's also in there, so you got to
Speaker 2: get your shit together.
Speaker 1: And to be fair, like it could have been shock
Speaker 1: as well. That put that sort of facade on. Yeah,
Speaker 1: not even realizing like what is in her face right now,
Speaker 1: she's just got someone like back talking to her and
Speaker 1: she's just like, well, where's my son? Before she even
Speaker 1: notices that it's a gun.
Speaker 2: You know, because she knows her son is in there, and.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but regardless of why or how this played out,
Speaker 1: she did that and that is awesome in my opinions. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so props to her for for that. So with this,
Speaker 1: more of the robbers came running up the stairs seconds later,
Speaker 1: and they would take Carol downstairs to where her son
Speaker 1: was bound laying on the floor.
Speaker 2: Dang it. So she did not get away.
Speaker 1: She did not. So Courtney, when his mother walked in upstairs,
Speaker 1: immediately recognized his mom's voice, and then she would be
Speaker 1: forced downstairs. She would see her son laying on the floor.
Speaker 1: She too would be forced on the floor and bound.
Speaker 1: They never spoke a word to each other as they
Speaker 1: laid next to each other.
Speaker 2: Dang no, I mean, and that would be such a
Speaker 2: feeling for Courtney because like I think he'd be kind
Speaker 2: of relieved, like wow, like my mom's here, like maybe
Speaker 2: she can help me, But then also like shit, now
Speaker 2: my mom's in the same situation. Like it would be
Speaker 2: such mixed emotion.
Speaker 1: It would be because especially it's like my mom's here
Speaker 1: because of me, not because of him, don't get me wrong,
Speaker 1: but like she's she's here searching for me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: It's not in any way, shape or form Courtney's fault.
Speaker 1: I want to clarify that. But it's like she's here
Speaker 1: because I'm here.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So Stanley's father or in would find himself in the
Speaker 1: very same situation. He would go to the store in
Speaker 1: search of his son, who was supposed to have closed
Speaker 1: up shift and be home by now, and was greeted
Speaker 1: again with a gun in his face. Was then led
Speaker 1: to the basement. Was that thrown on the floor and
Speaker 1: tied up just like the rest.
Speaker 2: It's surprising to me that they kind of come, they
Speaker 2: get in there, and they're met with the because there's
Speaker 2: only two robbers right like that, it's not startling to
Speaker 2: these robbers that these people are coming in or that
Speaker 2: the doors aren't locked.
Speaker 1: And like, I haven't actually said how many robbers there are.
Speaker 1: Oh shit, okay, I did that on purpose. However, since
Speaker 1: you asked, I will explain and divulge a little bit
Speaker 1: of that information. There are reportedly a total of six robbers,
Speaker 1: holy shit, two of which are dealing with the vehicles
Speaker 1: outside the two vans that had pulled up, Two of
Speaker 1: which who are dealing with moving equipment from out of
Speaker 1: the store into the vans, and two of which that
Speaker 1: are holding the guns and holding the hostages captive.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's a lot of people then.
Speaker 1: Yes, so I'll be talking about that a little bit
Speaker 1: later on. But that is the primary information on it.
Speaker 1: But I'll be talking about that a little bit later on. So,
Speaker 1: now these six robbers had a total of five captives
Speaker 1: and they decided not only to rob the place, but
Speaker 1: they needed to ensure they got rid of any witness
Speaker 1: that they had. And this is where things get dark.
Speaker 1: So one of the men was pacing the basement with
Speaker 1: all their captive laying on the floor in front of him,
Speaker 1: and after a few moments, he grabbed a jug and
Speaker 1: began pouring a cup of mysterious blue liquid. He approached
Speaker 1: the mother Carol and said we're going to have a
Speaker 1: little cocktail party. Then he proceeded to force the drink
Speaker 1: down her throat, forced the contents that he claimed was
Speaker 1: just a mix of vodka and sleeping pills. He pulled
Speaker 1: her hair back and forced it in her mouth and
Speaker 1: forced her to drink immediately. With this touching her tongue,
Speaker 1: she began to gag and cough on the liquid as
Speaker 1: it was spewing from her mouth and nose. It left
Speaker 1: her lying on the floor desperately gasping for air. The
Speaker 1: reason for her violent reaction was she was just forced
Speaker 1: to drink a cup of draino.
Speaker 2: Yep, okay, that is ringing a bell. That is brutal.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is so draino. Just for a little background
Speaker 1: on this product, it contains several harsh chemicals which include lye, aluminium, salt, bleach,
Speaker 1: sodium nitrate, and of course a plethora of others. The
Speaker 1: lye being a very primary ingredient which rapidly dissolves organic material.
Speaker 2: Holy shit, it is.
Speaker 1: What makes draino draino because it dissolves things like hair
Speaker 1: in your oh my god, for example. So it will
Speaker 1: dissolve dissolve organic material like hair, grease and skin cells.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: It's essentially an or an acid for organic material. So
Speaker 1: one by one the robber began to force his hostages
Speaker 1: to drink the draino. He walked back to the bottle,
Speaker 1: filled up the cup, and approached his next victim and
Speaker 1: forced it down their gullet.
Speaker 2: Oh gosh, does it I don't even know, Like if
Speaker 2: that would kill you it like quickly, I don't know. Okay,
Speaker 2: just keep listening here, those terrible visuals here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not fun, I'm sure. So. Time and time
Speaker 1: again forced the liquid upon them, and the draina would
Speaker 1: cause excruciatingly severe pain for each of them. The fumes
Speaker 1: alone were enough to be burning their eyes, and the
Speaker 1: chemicals were causing severe blistering, bleeding and convulsions in the victims.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, their mouths, tongues, and throats were just
Speaker 1: being burned and melted. They were bleeding and violently vomiting
Speaker 1: in the process. Unhappy with the fact that the chemical
Speaker 1: was being regurgitated, the robber then decided he was going
Speaker 1: to pour the chemical in their mouth holy shit, and
Speaker 1: then tape their mouth shut, ensuring no liquid would escape.
Speaker 2: Okay, I was not expecting that, Kay, who the shit
Speaker 2: like thinks about this kind of stuff? And like then
Speaker 2: also is a monster to go and do it?
Speaker 1: Yeah, douche canoes for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean worse than that. Really, this that is just.
Speaker 1: Beyond monstrous.
Speaker 2: It's it's I feel like that would just be kind
Speaker 2: of almost on like the top of like terrible ways
Speaker 2: to die.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, his attempt to tape their mouths closed was unsuccessful,
Speaker 1: primarily because the skin around their mouths had all melted
Speaker 1: and peeled away, leaving their raw flesh exposed, and the
Speaker 1: tape refused to stick to the wet surface on their face.
Speaker 2: Oh I can't Okay, that's that is too much. Wow.
Speaker 1: The robber wasn't happy. What he wanted for his captives
Speaker 1: in the basement was to pass out as a result
Speaker 1: of the chemical and basically die in their sleep. Okay,
Speaker 1: this isn't happening. That's not even close to what this
Speaker 1: draino was doing to them.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, they so they just literally thought that they
Speaker 2: would like consume this and then like be out and
Speaker 2: that's it. Yes, okay, I feel like that is like
Speaker 2: really stupid.
Speaker 1: Yes it is. Yeah, I'm not gonna lie lie to you.
Speaker 1: It's very stupid. They had reason to think this, though, okay,
Speaker 1: which I'll get.
Speaker 2: Into later because I feel like that's not how I
Speaker 2: would have imagined this to occur.
Speaker 1: No, no, me either. No. They were just hoping for
Speaker 1: like an easy, quiet death so they could just rob
Speaker 1: the place and move on. But here they are with
Speaker 1: people like vomiting, convulsive growing, like screaming, and it's brutal. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this wasn't easy or quiet in any shape or form. No,
Speaker 1: it was loud, messy, and since they were vomiting so much,
Speaker 1: I mean, of course, it's not even going to kill
Speaker 1: them at all because it's not staying in their system.
Speaker 1: So during this whole time, the robbers were in and
Speaker 1: out of the store upstairs loading the vehicle. They were
Speaker 1: up and down the stairs, also debating with the others
Speaker 1: downstairs what they were exactly going to be doing. In
Speaker 1: the whole process. They were wiping down any fingerprints that
Speaker 1: they were leaving behind robbing the store as well. By now,
Speaker 1: they clearly intended to have dealt with their hostage situation.
Speaker 1: But it's not going so hot. So out of frustration,
Speaker 1: one of the men grabbed this gun and proceeded to
Speaker 1: shoot Carol and Courtney, both the mother and son, execution
Speaker 1: style in the back of the head.
Speaker 2: Okay, just like I'm going to just get this done
Speaker 2: kind of thing, Yes, was probably what was going through
Speaker 2: this motherfucker's mind exactly.
Speaker 1: Stanley Walker was next to be shot in the head,
Speaker 1: and Orrin Walker would follow the father and son. The bullet, however,
Speaker 1: missed Orrian on the first shot, so he was shot
Speaker 1: a second time. One of the men then focused on
Speaker 1: Michelle Ainsley, the store's eighteen year old employee. He grabbed
Speaker 1: her and forced her into a far corner of the
Speaker 1: dimly lit basement and forced her, at gunpoint to remove
Speaker 1: her clothing.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, is she the only one left at
Speaker 2: this point?
Speaker 1: Then? Ah?
Speaker 2: Yes, seriously, Okay, this is terrifying for her.
Speaker 1: Here the man would sexually assault her and rape her,
Speaker 1: and when he was done, he'd drug her, still nude,
Speaker 1: back over to where the other hostages lay. He lifted
Speaker 1: the gun towards her head, and as he did, Michelle
Speaker 1: said quote, I am too young to die, right before
Speaker 1: he pulled the trigger, shooting her in the head, killing her.
Speaker 2: Jeez, holy, these people are just monstrous.
Speaker 1: Isn't that fucking disgusting?
Speaker 2: Yep, yep.
Speaker 1: I can't believe. Like we do a lot of these cases,
Speaker 1: like a lot of true crime with a lot of
Speaker 1: brutal things, and it just baffles me every time how
Speaker 1: people can be capable of these fucking things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is. Actually it's very mind blowing and like
Speaker 2: it's i don't know, like it's onre like it's not
Speaker 2: even reasonable, like or not. This might be the wrong word,
Speaker 2: but like they could have literally just have tied them
Speaker 2: up down there and done their thing and left. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and like worn masks or something so that they weren't identifiable.
Speaker 1: Right, what does this ski mask cost? Right? I think
Speaker 1: back in the seventies that probably would be like a
Speaker 1: dollar or less. Probably you probably find a ski mask
Speaker 1: at the dollar store today in the right season for
Speaker 1: a dollar.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but instead that it like take all these people's
Speaker 2: lives and the fact too, like they I mean, if
Speaker 2: they wanted this like quick death. It's interesting that they
Speaker 2: didn't just shoot them in the head to begin.
Speaker 1: With, but well, they were wanting to avoid anything.
Speaker 2: Loud loud like okay, like a gunshot okay.
Speaker 1: Which is showcased in this next part because after he
Speaker 1: had shot Michelle, he had actually noticed that Orn was
Speaker 1: still alive. The previous the guy who had previously been
Speaker 1: missed and then shot the second time. Yeah, the second
Speaker 1: shot had actually only really grazed him. So they decided
Speaker 1: they were going to choke him out a piece of wire.
Speaker 1: So the man then straddled him, tried strangling him, and
Speaker 1: again was unsuccessful in killing him.
Speaker 2: Wow, he sure has like that's a will to live. Hey.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Next two of the men decided they had an
Speaker 1: idea on how to finally take care of him.
Speaker 2: Maybe, Like, I don't know, this is just like so inhumane,
Speaker 2: Like I mean, none of it is human. Oh gosh, okay,
Speaker 2: I don't even want to know if I want to know, Well.
Speaker 1: This is arguing. I mean, of course the draino was bad,
Speaker 1: but this is arguably one of the more inhumane things,
Speaker 1: if not the inhumane thing too. It's up there with
Speaker 1: the drainer, let's put it that way. They laid Orrin
Speaker 1: on his side, took a ball point pen and stuck
Speaker 1: it point side down in his ear.
Speaker 2: Holy shit.
Speaker 1: Then one of the men stood back and stomped down
Speaker 1: with all his weight onto the pen, sending it straight
Speaker 1: through his ear drum and it stuck out through the
Speaker 1: side of his throat.
Speaker 2: Wow, Okay, that is fucked. Yeah, I excuse my French,
Speaker 2: but what the actual.
Speaker 1: Right researching this, I my jaw was like dropped.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and sorry, who is he one of the workers
Speaker 2: or is he the dad?
Speaker 1: Or who is he's the dad?
Speaker 2: The dad? Okay, gosh did that kill him?
Speaker 1: Then?
Speaker 2: I don't even think it would.
Speaker 1: Have we'll move on here.
Speaker 2: I'll just torturing the shit out of him.
Speaker 1: I'll let you know. Finally, having dealt with their hostages,
Speaker 1: all the men finished loading their vehicle with the stolen
Speaker 1: property and then would drive away. It would be several
Speaker 1: hours later, almost three hours in fact, that the victims
Speaker 1: would be discovered. Orrin's wife and their other son made
Speaker 1: their way to the store looking for him. They heard
Speaker 1: some noises coming from inside the building when they realized
Speaker 1: someone was in there and something was wrong. Most likely
Speaker 1: it was Oran, hearing their footsteps outside trying to get attention.
Speaker 2: Still alive, doing.
Speaker 1: What they could, they managed to break down the door
Speaker 1: of the store and made their way into the basement.
Speaker 1: Police were immediately called and they found the horrendous scene
Speaker 1: in the basement. Everyone was left for dead, but miraculously,
Speaker 1: Carol and Courtney, along with Orn, were all still alive.
Speaker 2: Seriously, yes, holy, that's shocking.
Speaker 1: Carol, unfortunately, though, would be pronounced dead on arrival at
Speaker 1: the hospital. Courtney, though, who was also expected to find
Speaker 1: the same fate as his mother, did survive. Wow, though
Speaker 1: was left with severe irreparable brain damage. He would spend
Speaker 1: a total of two hundred and sixty six days in
Speaker 1: the hospital. Oh my gosh, Orin was found with the
Speaker 1: ballpoint pens still lodged in his ear. He would survive
Speaker 1: and would be left scarred from the intensive burns in
Speaker 1: his mouth and of course the damage from the pen.
Speaker 2: And he was shot twice too, right.
Speaker 1: Missed the first time, grazed the second.
Speaker 2: That is shocking to me that he likes to survive.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no kidding. Wow, by every account, he should be dead.
Speaker 2: No kidding, Huh.
Speaker 1: It wouldn't take long for the story of the horrific
Speaker 1: crime to make the news in the local area, which
Speaker 1: I mean understandably. Something this fucking horrendous, How can people
Speaker 1: not be talking about it?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be all over the news.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and of course investigation going full fledged forward trying
Speaker 1: to figure out who the hell could be capable of
Speaker 1: this and who did it?
Speaker 2: Well, that would be just terrifying to know that these
Speaker 2: people were like out and about still.
Speaker 1: Right, Could you imagine hearing that happening in your town
Speaker 1: right now, wherever you're from. I don't care if it's
Speaker 1: a big city like fucking New York or a little
Speaker 1: tiny town like Hickson, which is just outside where we're from.
Speaker 1: When it's got like five hundred people. Can you imagine
Speaker 1: hearing that saying that, yeah, this just happened.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like you would definitely spend a bit
Speaker 2: of extra time, like checking over your shoulder and just
Speaker 2: like a little uneasy for sure.
Speaker 1: Definitely. And like, don't get me wrong, I understand that
Speaker 1: in like New York shit, crazy shit happens a.
Speaker 2: Lot, but this is bad.
Speaker 1: Yeah, tell me that people were forced to drink draino
Speaker 1: when someone stomped a ballpoint pen into a man's head
Speaker 1: and then he continued to survive. And you're not gonna
Speaker 1: sit here and go what the fuck?
Speaker 2: Like this is actual? Just to think that this is
Speaker 2: capable other humans doing this terrible of stuff to other
Speaker 2: people is mind blowing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because it is one thing. Don't get me wrong,
Speaker 1: it's still horrendous. But it's one thing to pull the
Speaker 1: trigger on a gun and kill a person because the
Speaker 1: gun is doing the damage. You mean, you're causing the
Speaker 1: gun to do it, You're still taking a life fucking horrific,
Speaker 1: But stomping a pen into someone's head.
Speaker 2: After you forcefully already made them consume draino and watch
Speaker 2: the effects of that. Yeah, And you're still like in
Speaker 2: this mindset to just keep destroying and torturing them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a gun takes an instant, a split second. It's
Speaker 1: over what he's doing with this situation of the draino
Speaker 1: plus the pen plus trying to strangle and shoot him
Speaker 1: in the process. How many times did he have to
Speaker 1: think about it? How many times did he have this
Speaker 1: man's life in his fucking hands? Right?
Speaker 2: I forgot about the strangling too goodness, this por okay?
Speaker 2: But then and then his son died though too, right,
Speaker 2: So he's like survived all of this and his son
Speaker 2: still died, correct, which.
Speaker 1: Is I don't know, well as horrific. This is, like
Speaker 1: I said, It started to make news rather quickly, and
Speaker 1: luckily for police. Only hours after the news broke they
Speaker 1: had an anonymous phone call come in. Okay, it was
Speaker 1: from an employee at the local Air Force. So, according
Speaker 1: to their statement, another fellow employee at the air Force
Speaker 1: had told them a couple months ago that the man
Speaker 1: by the name the employee who said this apparently was
Speaker 1: William Andrews, and he said this, one of these days,
Speaker 1: I'm going to rob that high fi shop and if
Speaker 1: anybody gets in the way, I'm going to kill him?
Speaker 2: And who was this story?
Speaker 1: He was a what he was employed at the air
Speaker 1: Force really the local air Force?
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so someone from the air Force called in and said, yes,
Speaker 1: someone I work with said this to me a couple
Speaker 1: months ago.
Speaker 2: Wow. To even say that aloud to anyone, Yeah, and.
Speaker 1: Then loan and behold here a couple months later, the
Speaker 1: stores robbed and people died seems a little convenient, no, kidding,
Speaker 1: little suss. It was, of course an interesting lead, for sure,
Speaker 1: But this statement like that, it's not necessarily anything without
Speaker 1: evidence to back it up, right, Because mean, sure someone
Speaker 1: can say that, someone could literally even intend it.
Speaker 2: People say weird shit all the time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but even if he intended to do it, even
Speaker 1: if he says, yes, I'm going to do this, who's
Speaker 1: to say someone else didn't do it before him? Yeah,
Speaker 1: where's the proof to say he did it?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Exactly, So you need evidence to go along with it.
Speaker 1: This is where the police would find their second stroke
Speaker 1: of luck. Only a couple hours after they received that
Speaker 1: phone call, another one came in, and it was with
Speaker 1: the evidence they needed. Two teenage boys just so happened
Speaker 1: to be dumpster diving near the air Force base, and
Speaker 1: while doing so, they managed to find wallets and purses
Speaker 1: that contained the idea of the victims from the Hi
Speaker 1: Fi store. So during the robbery, the men had stolen
Speaker 1: not only the stores stock but the victim's personal belongings
Speaker 1: as well, and then clearly dumped it in the dumpster.
Speaker 2: Geez, right where they probably expected to.
Speaker 1: Find something exactly. So now you have someone saying, this
Speaker 1: employee here said he was going to do it. Oh,
Speaker 1: by the way, in the same spot is evidence from
Speaker 1: the fucking robbery.
Speaker 2: Wow, that is that's They probably did not expect it
Speaker 2: like that, to find that sort of evidence that right
Speaker 2: off the get go right, No.
Speaker 1: I don't think so. So detectives of course went out
Speaker 1: right away, and when they arrived in the scene, they
Speaker 1: began to start pulling things out of the dumpster, and
Speaker 1: a crowd started to gather rather quickly of Air Force
Speaker 1: based employees. So being smart, this is actually genius. These
Speaker 1: guys won an award for their geniusness on this later on.
Speaker 1: But the detectives knew that the men responsible were likely
Speaker 1: in the crowd watching the dumpster evidence being proud.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, okay, this is I'm getting excited here.
Speaker 2: They're like thinking shit through.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So, as they're pulling evidence out of the dumpster,
Speaker 1: this crowd is gathering, and the detectives are like, I
Speaker 1: guarantee you the fuckers are watching us right here, right now. Wow,
Speaker 1: they're in this fucking crowd. So they made a show
Speaker 1: of it. Using a pair of tongs, they pulled pieces
Speaker 1: of evidence from the dumpster one by one, holding them
Speaker 1: high in the air and making a very big dramatic
Speaker 1: scene about it, trying to build up as much tension
Speaker 1: as they could, so all the while they were watching
Speaker 1: the crowd. During this they're watching each employee very closely.
Speaker 1: Apparently most of the personnel who had gathered stood rather
Speaker 1: still and watched with relative silence and intentiveness, except for
Speaker 1: two men who were pacing rather frequently.
Speaker 2: Seriously, Hey, that I don't know why. I don't think
Speaker 2: I would have ex Okay, well, this is probably why
Speaker 2: I'm not like a homicide person. But like our investigator
Speaker 2: is that I wouldn't have expected the people to be
Speaker 2: in the crowd for some reason. But it makes so
Speaker 2: much sense.
Speaker 1: It does well, they say a lot of the time
Speaker 1: they returned to the scene of the crime, sort of yeah,
Speaker 1: and this is probably that portion of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So those two men were men by the name of
Speaker 1: William Andrews, which is already the one who was called
Speaker 1: in and Dale Selby Pierre. Now one of the men,
Speaker 1: like I said, was already identified, and because of all
Speaker 1: the stuff that was going on the phone call the
Speaker 1: evidence their strange behavior, they were able to get a
Speaker 1: search warrant to quickly search the barracks that they were
Speaker 1: staying in on the property.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: And of course the search for evidence continued. Police would
Speaker 1: find a couple of interesting things, one being flyers for
Speaker 1: the Hi Fi shop, which it doesn't say a lot,
Speaker 1: but it's an interesting piece, right, and the other was
Speaker 1: a rental agreement for a storage unit under the name
Speaker 1: of Dale Selby Pierre. Upon searching said storage unit, they
Speaker 1: found all the stolen equipment from the high Fi shop,
Speaker 1: which would later be identified via serial numbers. So in
Speaker 1: that unit they also found one more thing, what a
Speaker 1: half full bottle of draino.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, seriously, why I'm surprised that they would
Speaker 2: have kept the draino Yeah, in the storage unit like that,
Speaker 2: I agree, probably because they figured it had like or
Speaker 2: like murder evidence on there. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So now they had this Pierre guy Dale, I guess
Speaker 1: i'll call him Dale Dale Selby. I don't know if
Speaker 1: that's his full name, the two names or if it's
Speaker 1: but I'll just call him Dale. So they had Dale
Speaker 1: attached to the storage locker holding it all, and they
Speaker 1: had the other guy, shoot, what's his name William William
Speaker 1: attached to the evidence and possibly actually being called in
Speaker 1: from you know, the robbery slash killing any one who
Speaker 1: gets in my way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, who's kind of already admitted that he was planning
Speaker 2: this to someone.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So both men look suspicious and both men are
Speaker 1: officially linked to it. So this was far enough evidence
Speaker 1: for both of them, and they were immediately arrested. Now
Speaker 1: thankfully shortly after one of them would talk and give
Speaker 1: up a getaway driver by the name of Keith Roberts,
Speaker 1: who was also apprehended. With all the evidence collected against
Speaker 1: the three men, they were charged with first degree murder
Speaker 1: and aggravated robbery. A joint trial would take place on
Speaker 1: October fifteenth, nineteen seventy four, in Farrington, Utah. During the trial,
Speaker 1: they found that both Dale and William intended to rob
Speaker 1: and kill anyone they encountered in the hi Fi store.
Speaker 1: In the months leading up to the robbery, they had
Speaker 1: been looking for ways to kill people quietly.
Speaker 2: Oh geez.
Speaker 1: So they had repeatedly watched a film called Magnum Force
Speaker 1: from nineteen seventy three.
Speaker 2: Okay, because I was just like, how back then would
Speaker 2: you I mean, now people will probably like google it,
Speaker 2: which is so fucked up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but back then it was movies. It was Hollywood movies. Okay,
Speaker 1: So Magnum Force in the movie depicts a sex worker
Speaker 1: being forced to drink draino and as a result, she
Speaker 1: immediately drops dead.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. Really that's how it just like showed
Speaker 2: in the movies. There was no suffering, like just like, well.
Speaker 1: I didn't, I don't. I'm not going to claim I've
Speaker 1: actually seen the movie myself, but reportedly that's how it
Speaker 1: goes down.
Speaker 2: So they were like, oh, this is just easy and cheap.
Speaker 2: Dreno's cheap, Like, let's just do this exactly.
Speaker 1: So that's what they thought, Well, we'll just make them
Speaker 1: drink dreno and then it'll be just done and easy. However,
Speaker 1: that is clearly not the reality of the situation how
Speaker 1: it works.
Speaker 2: I mean, even if you just step back to think
Speaker 2: about that for a fucking minute. Yeah you would know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, if you're going to be dumb enough
Speaker 1: to do something like this, I'm pretty sure you'd be
Speaker 1: dumb enough to believe something like that.
Speaker 2: That's true. But I'm just like, gosh, I'm not like
Speaker 2: the brightest with things, like sometimes call them and send stuff.
Speaker 2: I like don't always get right away. And but I
Speaker 2: get this, I'm getting So what.
Speaker 1: You're saying is even you understand.
Speaker 2: Yeah, wow, I just burned myself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you did really bad. Okay, So moving on though.
Speaker 1: On November sixteenth, nineteen seventy four, Dale and William were
Speaker 1: found guilty on all charges, while Keith Roberts was guilty
Speaker 1: of only the robbery, as reportedly, he was only the
Speaker 1: getaway driver in the vehicle. Okay, so he was sentenced
Speaker 1: to five years to life in jail and would eventually
Speaker 1: be parrolled in nineteen eighty seven. The other two, Dale
Speaker 1: and William, they were sentenced to death.
Speaker 2: So just wait, just to clarify, they're the ones that
Speaker 2: were doing like the torture to the victims. Then they
Speaker 2: were allegedly those two.
Speaker 1: I've got it written down here. I'm going to explain
Speaker 1: it all right now, So this is last little bit.
Speaker 1: So it's, of course, you know, a win that we
Speaker 1: have these three men convicted. However, the official replete police
Speaker 1: report states six men, as I already talked about, were involved,
Speaker 1: driving two vans, Two remained in the cars, two loaded
Speaker 1: the vans with products. Dale and William were the ones
Speaker 1: who tortured and killed the victims. Okay, Detectives reported that
Speaker 1: quote William was the brains behind the whole ordeal, the
Speaker 1: one who organized it. Dale was the enforcer.
Speaker 2: M and they are the sick bastards.
Speaker 1: Yes, only half the people involved were reportedly caught, but
Speaker 1: at the very least it is the two responsible for
Speaker 1: the heinous acts against like the victims and everything. They are,
Speaker 1: as you put it, the sick bastards. So yeah, that
Speaker 1: is the Hi Fi murders.
Speaker 2: I'm surprised that the other three names didn't get that
Speaker 2: those other people that they held.
Speaker 1: Them so am I Actually I was kind of intrigued
Speaker 1: on that, and I kind of maybe want to do
Speaker 1: a bit more of a deeper dive on how Keith
Speaker 1: was his name was brought up and why they didn't
Speaker 1: bring up the other names.
Speaker 2: So sentenced to death. Yes, are they dead?
Speaker 1: They are? Okay, Courtney who was shot in the head
Speaker 1: and survived, he unfortunately would later pass away, but he
Speaker 1: did outlive those two men.
Speaker 2: Okay. Well jeez, that is.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 2: It kind of reminds me a little bit of like
Speaker 2: the yogurt shop murders case that we did, where it's
Speaker 2: just like people.
Speaker 1: They burned that place, download didn't they?
Speaker 2: I think so, yeah, But I mean in that one,
Speaker 2: it doesn't necessarily like a robbery. I'm I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess this store would have a lot
Speaker 2: of like equipment that they could potentially sell for money.
Speaker 2: It's just interesting choice doing it for money or I
Speaker 2: mean just a lot of the high end equipment in there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, record players and big speakers and stuff. And it
Speaker 1: was a lot more expensive back in the seventies too
Speaker 1: for that equipment, right, I guess. Yeah, And like you
Speaker 1: look at speakers and stuff. Now you can go to
Speaker 1: Walmart and get like a Bluetooth speaker for fifty bucks.
Speaker 1: But no, we're talking like big high tech amplifier type
Speaker 1: speakers that they're They're not cheap, or at least they
Speaker 1: weren't back in their day. And good stuff nowadays still
Speaker 1: isn't cheap.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and it's I don't know, I'm just surprised,
Speaker 2: like this, this whole case is surprising me, just the
Speaker 2: how brutal it is, and like they not have just
Speaker 2: gone and broken in and done all the shit later,
Speaker 2: you know, Like yeah, yeah, it just seems so unnecessary,
Speaker 2: like it does.
Speaker 1: Like you say, thoughhy didn't they just wear a mask.
Speaker 1: Force these two workers into a freaking closet, start stealing stuff.
Speaker 1: More people come along, keep forcing them into a closet.
Speaker 1: They don't see your identity, you're wearing a mask, steal
Speaker 1: a shit and move on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, because it's one thing to rob something a place,
Speaker 2: but then to also be like doing all these murders
Speaker 2: and at the same that's next level disgusting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, completely unnecessary.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm not just saying that murdering sometimes is necessary, No,
Speaker 1: that's definitely not what I mean. But escalating it like that,
Speaker 1: like why you could still have everything that you wanted
Speaker 1: and it's just not necessary in any way, shape or form.
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, I knew very I knew very little about that.
Speaker 2: I think the main thing that I had remembered was
Speaker 2: the consuming of the dreno.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So what about the pen Do you remember
Speaker 1: that one ring a bell?
Speaker 2: No? Actually, no, no.
Speaker 1: I can't imagine how that would feel because I'm pretty
Speaker 1: sure like the pen if you think about it going
Speaker 1: in and ear and having to stick out the side
Speaker 1: of someone's throat, it would have had to turn sideways
Speaker 1: and go on downwards from his ear down to that
Speaker 1: same side of his throat.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, he probably didn't. I can't imagine that
Speaker 2: he could hear out of that ear after.
Speaker 1: No, it did go all the way through to the
Speaker 1: other side, and it would have gone in a weird angle.
Speaker 2: I have no I I'm just hoping that he was
Speaker 2: like in shock and at that stage and like maybe
Speaker 2: didn't feel all the pain that would have been endured.
Speaker 1: Oh man, I can't imagine. Oh yeah, I really hope,
Speaker 1: like you say, he didn't feel at all.
Speaker 2: Shock would would help brutal that is a brutal one in.
Speaker 1: The trial actually, or in the one with the penanies
Speaker 1: here he would be a crucial part of the testimony
Speaker 1: as well, so he would take stand and he would
Speaker 1: speak against them.
Speaker 2: Good for him, Yeah, yeah, that's like that's one of
Speaker 2: the ultimate I just feel like fuck you moments.
Speaker 1: Like ultimate fucking moments for sure. Yeah, when one of
Speaker 1: the victims is the one who puts those perpetrators away. Yeah,
Speaker 1: fucking love it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, ever, that is so good. Yeah, well well done,
Speaker 2: thank you. That would have been an interesting one to research,
Speaker 2: for sure.
Speaker 1: It was took me a little longer than normal, that's
Speaker 1: for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well there's a lot to it. Yeah, like when
Speaker 2: there's the more victims and more like assholes, like more assholes.
Speaker 1: Well upwards of six assholes in this one. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: that's a lot of assholes.
Speaker 2: Three of them just like live in their life.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: You have to wonder if the four of them knew
Speaker 2: to the extent of what was going on downstairs or
Speaker 2: like what the plan was. You know, I kind of hoped.
Speaker 2: I feel like I want to not think they did,
Speaker 2: but I'm going.
Speaker 1: To assume at the very least the getaway drivers didn't
Speaker 1: because they're out in the vehicle. They have no idea
Speaker 1: what inside even looks like. They're just ready in the
Speaker 1: vehicle at all times. Yeah, the guys stealing the equipment maybe, but.
Speaker 2: They probably, like the getaway drivers, still could have known
Speaker 2: the plan was to murder them and stuff though.
Speaker 1: Most likely because clearly they shared that plan with who
Speaker 1: fucking just co work months ago. Right, yeah, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: kill people that night whoever.
Speaker 2: I fucking run into that coworker too. You have to
Speaker 2: be like, I mean, in no way, shape or form,
Speaker 2: is is his fault. But then later, hearing that, you
Speaker 2: would be like, oh my gosh, like he was being serious,
Speaker 2: like almost I wish I would have reported this or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but what do you do in reporting something like that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you would almost feel weird and I don't even
Speaker 2: think they might not even take you seriously. Oh my
Speaker 2: coworker was just like joking around and like said that
Speaker 2: he was going to do this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the guy's like, I didn't say that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Now it's your word against his on hypotheticals that have
Speaker 1: not come to fruition or anything. Nothing's going to be,
Speaker 1: nothing's gonna happen, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he really probably couldn't have done anything. No, so
Speaker 2: dang yep.
Speaker 1: But I mean maybe if he did say something, maybe
Speaker 1: they wouldn't have taken it seriously, and like, yeah, nothing's
Speaker 1: gonna happen, but the very least maybe it would have
Speaker 1: stopped him from doing it.
Speaker 2: Scared him off from doing it because now the authorities
Speaker 2: not have heard of this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's so hard to say jeez.
Speaker 2: Hmm, okay, so more of the story, like just find
Speaker 2: a parking spot downtown.
Speaker 1: No, moral of the story is don't be a dick. Yes,
Speaker 1: that's always the moral of the story when it comes
Speaker 1: to true crust, be a dick.
Speaker 2: But then I also just feel so bad for that
Speaker 2: one guy that like really didn't need to be there.
Speaker 2: I mean, I feel bad for them all, but you
Speaker 2: know what.
Speaker 1: I mean, all of them. The two employees were just leaving. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the friends just popped in to say thanks. The mother
Speaker 1: and father were just coming and checking in for their kids.
Speaker 1: Like it's all because those guys were just fucking assholes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't even know what to say.
Speaker 2: Just brutal just yeah.
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