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Speaker 3: Okay, everyone, you know I do these interviews, and y'all
Speaker 3: know me. I've been doing it for a long time.
Speaker 3: We're coming up on our ten thousand interview. But every
Speaker 3: once in a while, I come across somebody Doctor Shuey
Speaker 3: today is one of them. But I come across somebody
Speaker 3: who is onto something. And what I mean by that.
Speaker 3: It could be a book, it could be art, it
Speaker 3: could be music. Today it's a movement and That's what
Speaker 3: I want to talk about. For those of you out there,
Speaker 3: if you don't know who, doctor Kevin Shoey is, Board
Speaker 3: certified cancer specialists. He's been in private practice, still practicing,
Speaker 3: still saving lives, still helping people for over thirty five years.
Speaker 3: But now and then he got the creative bug, and
Speaker 3: that creative bug turned into a creative bug, turned into
Speaker 3: what we like to look at as the Bad Love Gang. Today,
Speaker 3: we're going to walk you through what the latest is
Speaker 3: coming out of this creative genius.
Speaker 4: But even more importantly, what the heck.
Speaker 3: Or people saying bad Loves strikes, and that is It's
Speaker 3: won six prestigious awards, it has won more accolades. It
Speaker 3: is the most incredible movement when you talk about screenplays
Speaker 3: and scripts and so all of us are like, let's
Speaker 3: get it out there. But more importantly, are you ready
Speaker 3: to take a journey? Are you ready to look at
Speaker 3: what it's like to move ahead in time? Are you
Speaker 3: ready to do that but then also go back in time?
Speaker 3: Doctor shewe It's so great to have you here today.
Speaker 3: Boy have you been busy?
Speaker 5: Yeah, doctor pat, it's so good to be back with you.
Speaker 5: I think it's probably been more than a year or
Speaker 5: so since we visited the last time, and you know,
Speaker 5: to my recollection, I think this is the first time
Speaker 5: we've actually visited face to face. I think we've really
Speaker 5: like done audio interviews. So it's so good to just
Speaker 5: be sitting here kind of in the office your living
Speaker 5: room with you right now.
Speaker 4: I love it.
Speaker 3: You know, I grew up and my childhood wasn't the
Speaker 3: greatest and so my escape were escape things. So had
Speaker 3: this been a book when I was growing up, I
Speaker 3: would have been the first one to get it. Had
Speaker 3: there been an introduction to what we're calling right now
Speaker 3: is you know, many people may not know this the
Speaker 3: Bad Love Gang and the series of books and screenplays
Speaker 3: and other things you've done, I would be one of
Speaker 3: the first people standing out there in lighte because this
Speaker 3: was my way of taking a trip to the world
Speaker 3: of possibilities. Now carry that forward. Hence that's the network
Speaker 3: I created. But for you, this is such a beautiful
Speaker 3: journey of courage and understanding and so much more. And
Speaker 3: I want to ask you since the last time we've talked,
Speaker 3: what has changed for you? And how has this version
Speaker 3: what we're talking about today, right we're talking for those
Speaker 3: Bad Love Strikes.
Speaker 4: How has this changed you?
Speaker 5: Well, I think it's really giving me a lot of
Speaker 5: optimism for the future, because you know, I've I've spent
Speaker 5: I'm starting my fortieth year as a cancer doctor July first,
Speaker 5: even though I look so young.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you and me both right, don't we look good?
Speaker 5: And so you know, I started writing the book series
Speaker 5: in twenty nineteen and then so I wrote the first
Speaker 5: four books, working on book five now, starting with Badlove Strikes,
Speaker 5: which is really We've come. You know, you and I
Speaker 5: talked about how we come full circle?
Speaker 4: Doctor show.
Speaker 3: We look you talked about full circle. Let's talk about
Speaker 3: it because you were talking about the screenplays and I
Speaker 3: didn't even begin to touch on the accolades around this.
Speaker 3: I mean, you've got to be like giddy inside. But
Speaker 3: what is that like for you? I mean I ask
Speaker 3: you the question, what has changed? And how is this
Speaker 3: experience changed for you?
Speaker 5: Yeah? So, I mean who would think that, you know,
Speaker 5: this cancer doctor of forty years would write these four books,
Speaker 5: working on book five and then decide to write screenplays
Speaker 5: for the first two and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 5: I mean, the books they won, they won good awards,
Speaker 5: but the screenplays have just been on fire internationally. They've
Speaker 5: won everywhere across the globe, and so what does that
Speaker 5: feel like? I guess I would say it feels very surreal.
Speaker 5: And it also gives me motivation to actually want to
Speaker 5: get these on the big screen and you know, either
Speaker 5: Netflix or our Amazon or you know a TV they've won.
Speaker 5: They've won Pilot series awards, TV series awards, all kinds
Speaker 5: of movie and script awards for concept and best sci fi.
Speaker 5: And so yeah, it's changed me because you know, I'm
Speaker 5: motivated now to actually get this out there and exciting.
Speaker 5: So you know, I just recently sent this letter to
Speaker 5: Ron Howard with the screenplay and book at Imagine Entertainment,
Speaker 5: And you know, I just my my favorite movie of
Speaker 5: all time is Apollo thirteen, and I just think Ron
Speaker 5: and his company, Imagine Entertainment, they'd be a perfect fit.
Speaker 5: There are a lot of other perfect fits out there,
Speaker 5: but this just was a couple of weeks ago, so
Speaker 5: waiting hoping to hear back.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: The other one is Fielberg, because you know, I'm watching
Speaker 3: the directions over it is going now in some of
Speaker 3: his latest bodies of work.
Speaker 5: H Yeah, disclosure disclosure days coming out my mind this
Speaker 5: weekend or next week. I mean, can you believe it? Yeah,
Speaker 5: I mean this is about this is about time travel
Speaker 5: and interstellar travel and and of course you know, as
Speaker 5: the book series goes on a little while ago, you
Speaker 5: and I talked about Blue Nova one. Yeah, and so
Speaker 5: they're aliens and but you have to get into the
Speaker 5: series to get to that point. But so, yeah, this
Speaker 5: would be perfect for him. I think about this disclosure
Speaker 5: day coming out, and I mean, how can we live
Speaker 5: in this created universe? Although I just I think that
Speaker 5: there's more to it.
Speaker 3: I totally agree with you, and you know, I almost think, okay,
Speaker 3: so this is why you do what you do because
Speaker 3: I have this thought. I have this theory when I
Speaker 3: was a very young kid because I never understood religion,
Speaker 3: but I did understand, you know, the basis of God
Speaker 3: and higher power, even as at a young age. But
Speaker 3: one of the things that I realized was, you know,
Speaker 3: if we are in such a vast field of energy
Speaker 3: and universe. And you know, doctor gen Houston just passed away,
Speaker 3: and she was so brilliant at this, especially with her
Speaker 3: book Jump Time. But what you've captured is not just
Speaker 3: a book that shows us history. And we'll talk about
Speaker 3: Roosevelt in a minute. But what you do is you
Speaker 3: bring themes that are so relevant to the world we
Speaker 3: live in today. Isn't that part of the impact and
Speaker 3: the excitement.
Speaker 5: Absolutely. I you know, as you get into Bad Love Strikes,
Speaker 5: it's almost as if Roosevelt and Einstein are there with you,
Speaker 5: because the theme is that Roosevelt, and this is so true,
Speaker 5: doctor pat he was afraid that Hitler and the Nazis
Speaker 5: would get the atomic bomb first. And Einstein was even
Speaker 5: socially friendly with Roosevelt, and he warned it, We've got
Speaker 5: to be the first to get the bomb, because otherwise
Speaker 5: it would be untenable if they got it first. And
Speaker 5: so Roosevelt launches the Manhattan Project in June of forty two.
Speaker 5: And here's Bad Love Strikes in October of forty two,
Speaker 5: with Roosevelt and Einstein meeting at the White House saying,
Speaker 5: you know, Roosevelt is saying, you know, Albert, we need
Speaker 5: a backup plant to the Manhattan Project. And so I'm
Speaker 5: commissioning you to build a usable time travel machine called
Speaker 5: the White Hole Project, and we're going to build it
Speaker 5: right next to the K twenty five plant in Oakridge,
Speaker 5: Tennessee where we're processing platonium and no one will know
Speaker 5: it's being done. We'll just seal it off if we're
Speaker 5: the first to get the bomb. But if if we
Speaker 5: lose the race, we're going to use that time for
Speaker 5: avel machine.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I love that.
Speaker 3: You know, the other person you may want to get
Speaker 3: a hold of his Brad Pitt. His company is Planned B.
Speaker 3: And you know, part of this, though, is I think
Speaker 3: we're a little naive.
Speaker 4: Let me ask you this.
Speaker 3: I've always thought about this, and I think part of
Speaker 3: my naive thinking was things were so linearly planned. Now
Speaker 3: I got over that at about age eleven, where the
Speaker 3: linear things didn't make sense because every comic but I
Speaker 3: read everything had to backup plan had to plan a
Speaker 3: Plan B. Alternates, let's just call them alternates. So why
Speaker 3: not this?
Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, it fits in with you that even you know,
Speaker 5: modern times, you cannot just it's a Yogi bearra funny saying.
Speaker 5: He says, when I come to a fork in the road,
Speaker 5: I take it, And so you have to have that's true.
Speaker 5: You have to have an alternate plan. And this really
Speaker 5: makes sense. And you know, Einstein really proved with the
Speaker 5: theory of relativity that time travel is possible. And you know,
Speaker 5: with all that we're learning with quantum mechanics and artificial intelligence,
Speaker 5: it's just not a stretch to believe that time travel
Speaker 5: is possible.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I have to say, James Cameron invented AI.
Speaker 3: Do you know how I know that the Terminator movies? Now,
Speaker 3: why do I say, well, come on, because think about
Speaker 3: the imagination of this guy. I think it was James Cameron.
Speaker 3: I can't tell if it was you know Ridley's guy
Speaker 3: whoever it was, right, had a sense of time, had
Speaker 3: a sense of AI how a sense of time travel,
Speaker 3: and we bought it hook line and sinker.
Speaker 4: What year was that sixty nine? I don't even know.
Speaker 3: I don't even know what year that came out, but
Speaker 3: we bought it as if.
Speaker 4: It was okay.
Speaker 3: And so now here we are, how much has the
Speaker 3: population changed to be able to say, of course time
Speaker 3: travel of courts plan b.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and you know something else, because you're talking about
Speaker 5: you know, James Cameron and The Terminator and all that,
Speaker 5: You know, a lot those movies were that they they
Speaker 5: had real people, and so right now in Hollywood you
Speaker 5: have all these like you know, Greek tragedy type things
Speaker 5: going on in all these fictional you know characters. Bad
Speaker 5: Love Strikes is about a group of American teenagers that
Speaker 5: are growing up in nineteen seventy four and discover a
Speaker 5: World War two time travel machine. I mean it's like
Speaker 5: Goodies meets Raiders of the Lost Dark or whatever. I mean.
Speaker 5: These are real, flesh and blood people with a whole
Speaker 5: host of different personalities, and you know, they butt heads,
Speaker 5: but they come together, and I think we need to
Speaker 5: get back to that.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, you know, you any friend of
Speaker 5: yours or audience, they would be able to latch on
Speaker 5: to a character in the Bad Love series and say
Speaker 5: that's me. You know, I could see myself in that
Speaker 5: situation I did.
Speaker 4: That was my sense of it, because let's talk about it.
Speaker 3: These characters are based on real characters, right right.
Speaker 4: You're in it.
Speaker 5: Nine of them are based on Yeah, I'm Bubble.
Speaker 3: But oh my gosh, that's you know my nickname. I
Speaker 3: was a chubby kid. You were bubble, but I was
Speaker 3: called puff. You know, I'm like, Okay, seriously, couldn't you
Speaker 3: come up with a better name? But you know, part
Speaker 3: of this, I agree with what you've done so beautifully though,
Speaker 3: is you've touched on history and made it reality moments
Speaker 3: that are occurring today. Now is it explicit? Some of
Speaker 3: it is, but it's more than that. It's watching initiative,
Speaker 3: it's watching Courage, it's watching innovation. Right, all of this though,
Speaker 3: and may I add what did you say? Goonies something else?
Speaker 3: So now I want to add stranger Things because it's
Speaker 3: got elements of all of that to me. Am I
Speaker 3: on track with that or not?
Speaker 5: Yeah, you're right on. I have patients that read my books,
Speaker 5: doctor pat They come in and they have me sign
Speaker 5: their books, and I can't tell you how many times
Speaker 5: they've said, oh, this reminds me of Stranger Things, or
Speaker 5: I showed this to my son or daughter and they
Speaker 5: read it and they're like, oh, this is like Stranger Things.
Speaker 3: So sure, yeah, yeah, I mean, you know, we have
Speaker 3: toyed with the idea of creativity, innovative mind mindset being
Speaker 3: outside of reality. And what I'm finding, especially doing what
Speaker 3: I do now, you know, twenty three years, coming up
Speaker 3: on ten thousand interviews, what I'm finding is we have
Speaker 3: too many categories that are separating things and forgetting that
Speaker 3: what if this were all one that we get and
Speaker 3: what I mean by that is, look at you. You know,
Speaker 3: you're like me. We're probably in our little school books
Speaker 3: the least likely people to be talking about i mean,
Speaker 3: talking about time travel and this. But we are and
Speaker 3: I want to ask you this. You're excited about this.
Speaker 3: There are things happening. The question I want to ask
Speaker 3: you is what of the book, the characters, the screenplay
Speaker 3: Because screenplays are very different than books. People don't know that.
Speaker 3: But what is it about creating the screenplay that gave
Speaker 3: you more insight into these characters?
Speaker 5: Well, because you have to you have to literally bring
Speaker 5: those characters to life on the big screen, and so
Speaker 5: you're you're setting the tone of the atmosphere and the environment.
Speaker 5: I mean, it's it makes it, It makes it more real.
Speaker 5: I mean that's that's the probably the best answer to
Speaker 5: the question is this, you know, And that's why I
Speaker 5: was saying, you know, these these uh, you know, comic
Speaker 5: book characters are superheroes. We've got a world full of
Speaker 5: superheroes right now. These are flesh and blood people and
Speaker 5: so they're reacting to these circumstances. And you know Vedoma Lover,
Speaker 5: she's one of the She's the gypsy in Bad strikes,
Speaker 5: you know, and and so you're you would you probably
Speaker 5: love this because she's the one that kind of sees
Speaker 5: the future as a love part of the person. And
Speaker 5: so you know, they're they're in the middle of the
Speaker 5: rescue in the field and the bad Love Gang or
Speaker 5: getting the kind of helping out all the prisoners into
Speaker 5: the be seventeen and Vedoma. As she's going through the door,
Speaker 5: she pinches Bubble but you know, on the cheek and
Speaker 5: she says, I like you future boy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, see, those are perfect.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: I was sitting here and I was thinking, what does
Speaker 3: this remind me of? And what I love about this?
Speaker 3: And there was once upon a time there was a.
Speaker 4: Really short lived series.
Speaker 3: I wish they'd bring it back, and it was called Serenity,
Speaker 3: and Morain and Bachern was in it. I mean, it's
Speaker 3: just early you know, great acting, great concepts, but also
Speaker 3: dynamics of human nature. And that too is part of
Speaker 3: the book, that too, is it You're bringing in a
Speaker 3: dynamic of human nature. And let's start with how you
Speaker 3: brought facts into fantasy by the work you did to
Speaker 3: research Roosevelt. Come on, now, that's just not made up Roosevelt.
Speaker 3: You did your job on that.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, because all the dates, even the time of
Speaker 5: day or the meeting times, I did research into when
Speaker 5: they actually happened. And so it my sister Kathy, who
Speaker 5: I dedicated the book to. By the way, she's now
Speaker 5: in her eighth year after being treated for stage three
Speaker 5: triple negative breast cancer and so we're so thankful for that.
Speaker 5: But so she was an English teacher, and she was
Speaker 5: the first one I dedicated Bad Love Strikes to her.
Speaker 5: But I sent her that book, and you know, so
Speaker 5: I'm writing it and she's reading it, and she calls
Speaker 5: me and she goes, you know, Kevin, you need to
Speaker 5: keep going with this because I think you're onto something.
Speaker 5: She says, I keep reading this and I can't figure
Speaker 5: out which part is fact and which part is fiction.
Speaker 5: And so coming from an English teacher, I was like, Okay,
Speaker 5: I'm on to something here.
Speaker 3: You know, yeah, yeah, you know, it's so difficult for
Speaker 3: English teachers to transcend the written word and indulge in
Speaker 3: conceptual because they're so used to is it being written right?
Speaker 4: Is it the right grammar?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 4: Right? But that is saying something.
Speaker 3: You know. Part of that is the momentum that I
Speaker 3: find the momentum and part of the momentum, even though
Speaker 3: the stage is futuristic and yet not, even though it's
Speaker 3: real characters and yet the world of possibilities, there is
Speaker 3: a momentum that builds up like maybe more than maybe
Speaker 3: more like an inner excitement, if you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: That touches a part of me when I read them,
Speaker 3: That touch is a part of me as if I've
Speaker 3: already been there? Is that even making sense? And I
Speaker 3: wonder if, in writing this, how these downloads of creativity
Speaker 3: came to you?
Speaker 5: Well, it's almost it's almost a spiritual question, because.
Speaker 3: Yes it is, it's an Einstein question. You can't solve
Speaker 3: the problem at.
Speaker 5: The level it was great, Well, it is because as
Speaker 5: I I mean, yeah, I wrote Bad Love Strikes in
Speaker 5: ninety days. That's to be to be your first novel
Speaker 5: and to write it in ninety days and then have
Speaker 5: accepted for publication six weeks later. That's just crazy. I mean,
Speaker 5: it's it's it's like a spiritual journey. And I think
Speaker 5: for me, it really I felt like I was there.
Speaker 5: And I've had people that that I've interviewed with and
Speaker 5: who have read it and such that that that kind
Speaker 5: of questioned me, like, you know, were you really there?
Speaker 5: You know, were you did? You really go to Chelmouth?
Speaker 5: And I really did go to the Little White House
Speaker 5: in Warm Springs, Georgia when I was doing all my
Speaker 5: research on Roosevelt. So I stood in his bedroom at
Speaker 5: the Little White House in Warm Springs and imagined the
Speaker 5: Bad Love Gang being there with him, you know.
Speaker 3: And so yeah, yeah, what I love about it. I mean,
Speaker 3: these characters take road trips. I love road trips, right,
Speaker 3: But they take these road trips and they stayed famous places.
Speaker 3: And you have done the same, you know, in your
Speaker 3: research and your exploration. And that's what I love about it,
Speaker 3: because you know, while you are the author of pen
Speaker 3: in Hand, there's also an energy that gets that happens.
Speaker 3: There's something that happens between a person's innovation and the
Speaker 3: thing they're creating. It's almost like an exponential movement. You know,
Speaker 3: once you're aligned with something, it takes on a life
Speaker 3: of its own. And yet I can see that because
Speaker 3: these this characters are traveling as if they are you,
Speaker 3: and traveling is if they're not you. Do you understand what.
Speaker 4: I'm trying to say?
Speaker 3: But part of that is important, and so you know,
Speaker 3: I love that we're talking about this because it's your
Speaker 3: life experience, your experience working with cancer patients, your experience
Speaker 3: of hope, and what you do as a doctor. I mean,
Speaker 3: we cannot leave that out of the conversation today. When
Speaker 3: you choose the life path that you have chosen, as
Speaker 3: you said to me, Yeah, when you choose the life
Speaker 3: path that you have chosen, like you said to me,
Speaker 3: you were working with amazing patients.
Speaker 5: Today, right, Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 3: I can't help but imagine how they help sculpt part
Speaker 3: of what you're drawn to write about.
Speaker 5: I've learned more from my patients over these forty years
Speaker 5: than any other life experience. I mean, these are I
Speaker 5: happen to be a cancer specialist, and so you know,
Speaker 5: we're doing a lot better at curing cancer nowadays. But
Speaker 5: even if you have a very curable cancer, once the
Speaker 5: doctor says you have cancer, you think that death is
Speaker 5: knocked on your door. And so it really changes. It
Speaker 5: changed the dynamics. It's not like you have a runny nose.
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, are a well baby. It's just different.
Speaker 5: And so because then you start thinking about, well, what
Speaker 5: is really important in life? And so it's been a
Speaker 5: total blessing to me pat to work with all of
Speaker 5: these people, and it's just I think that, you know,
Speaker 5: I think God's getting me ready now for retirement into
Speaker 5: move in a new direction and to share all these
Speaker 5: things that I've learned all these years from working with
Speaker 5: all these patients. I mean. And so the book is
Speaker 5: about hope. You hit the nail on the head, and
Speaker 5: that is what I'm all about. As a cancer doctor.
Speaker 5: If you have bad news, I'll tell you, Okay, your
Speaker 5: cancer has spread to your lung. But then in the
Speaker 5: next sentence, I'll say, but this is what we're going
Speaker 5: to do about it. And so that's what hope is.
Speaker 5: You know. Hope is not you know, being pollyannish about
Speaker 5: your situation. Hope is facing the truth and then moving forward.
Speaker 3: And yeah, last night Mark and I Mark Anthony and
Speaker 3: I do a show every Thursday. We've been doing it
Speaker 3: for a bunch of years now. It's very popular. It's
Speaker 3: called The Psychic and the Doc, and I'm the doc.
Speaker 3: He Mark talks to people that have have moved moved on.
Speaker 3: And yesterday's show episode title was called The Audacity to
Speaker 3: Hope because it was on my radar. It really was
Speaker 3: based on something I was watching on television. I didn't
Speaker 3: appreciate the ending. But I want to bring this factor
Speaker 3: in because you and I are so much alike. We
Speaker 3: have this tenacity, if I might, to really talk about
Speaker 3: serious subjects, serious artifacts, but we do it in a
Speaker 3: way that allows for optimism and possibility, like my unstuckable brand, right,
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm building it out right now.
Speaker 4: So but I'm me.
Speaker 3: I have humor with it. I mean, I really do.
Speaker 3: But we're going to talk about serious things. You have
Speaker 3: done the same in all the books, and I want
Speaker 3: to ask you that had to be a conscious intention
Speaker 3: to set that tone that way. I'm sorry, that had
Speaker 3: to be a conscious intention to set the tone for
Speaker 3: these books in that way. It's almost like we're juxtaposing
Speaker 3: horrific things, right, yeah, but showing the flip side of
Speaker 3: the same coin.
Speaker 5: Yeah. And so I mean, my world is the world
Speaker 5: of oncology or cancer. But you know, book one byad
Speaker 5: Love strikes we're talking about here's a group of teenagers
Speaker 5: from the seventh He's actually deciding to go back to
Speaker 5: the Holocaust and try to make a difference. And so
Speaker 5: think about those two things. I mean, that's and to
Speaker 5: do it in a way that gives you're recognizing the
Speaker 5: horrifics of what has happened, but you're also injecting hope
Speaker 5: and how to deal with the horrifying situation in a
Speaker 5: way that creates hope. I mean, and that's really live.
Speaker 5: I mean, let's face it. You know. You know I
Speaker 5: know this from just my morning with the group of
Speaker 5: patients I saw this morning. I mean, you walk in
Speaker 5: one room, you give good news, and you walk in
Speaker 5: the next room and you give not so good news.
Speaker 5: But this is life. This is what we have to
Speaker 5: work with day in and day out.
Speaker 3: You know, I've thought about this because you know the
Speaker 3: question I asked you myself, if I had the ability
Speaker 3: to be the gang, part of the gang, what would
Speaker 3: I go back to try to help with Now I
Speaker 3: don't have an answer because I'm still thinking about that,
Speaker 3: because clearly the Holocaust is one of them, and there
Speaker 3: are so many others in history. But I really have
Speaker 3: given that some thought, and I also have given that
Speaker 3: some thought in the modern times in the past two decades,
Speaker 3: and I came up with one thing I would go back.
Speaker 3: If I was smart enough to understand the money markets,
Speaker 3: I would have gone back to two thousand and eight,
Speaker 3: nine and ten, and I would have looked, I would
Speaker 3: have I would have tried to be part of a
Speaker 3: let's call them, let's go on the Bad Love Bad
Speaker 3: Money Gang, Bad Love Money Gang, because I thought about that,
Speaker 3: the devastation of it. And somebody asked me, why do
Speaker 3: I keep talking about that point in time. I said,
Speaker 3: because we went through it and then we forgot about it,
Speaker 3: and I thought so many people were affected by it,
Speaker 3: But then there was COVID, So here I am. I'm
Speaker 3: hard to know what I'd go back to do, and
Speaker 3: I think sometimes I think too small on that level.
Speaker 3: And here's my next question for you, what is your
Speaker 3: next great vision from this moment now for the next year.
Speaker 5: Well, I'm actually working on expanding the series. So I'm
Speaker 5: writing Bad Luck Rising now, and Bad Luve Rising opens
Speaker 5: with John F. Kennedy at the in New York, and
Speaker 5: you know, they're having a party for him to raise money.
Speaker 5: And this is when birthday party. This is when Marilyn
Speaker 5: Monroe comes out and sings Happy Birthdays. Yeah, And so
Speaker 5: the the book will focus a lot on you know,
Speaker 5: how I've had Truman, I've had Roosevelt, I've had president
Speaker 5: for I'm going to take Kennedy and I'm going to
Speaker 5: bring him into the Bad Love universe because I love
Speaker 5: JFK Me, I love all the stuff about the Kennedy family.
Speaker 5: And of course they had their skeletons in the closet
Speaker 5: like you know all the politicians do. And so yeah,
Speaker 5: that's the that's the immediate future.
Speaker 4: Yeah, last question.
Speaker 3: I know this is a short interview, but first of all,
Speaker 3: let's give people some information. First of all, how do
Speaker 3: people find out about the books? How do they get
Speaker 3: the books? And how do they stay with you along
Speaker 3: this journey.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so there's really two good ways to do it.
Speaker 5: The first is I have for the books. I have
Speaker 5: a website. It's www dot Kevinshoey dot com and so
Speaker 5: it's my name K E v I N. S ch
Speaker 5: Ewe dot com. And then I'm on Instagram. I'm very active.
Speaker 5: I think I'm a little north of one hundred thousand
Speaker 5: followers now on Instagram and and so it's at real
Speaker 5: Kevin Shoey on Instagram. Also, I do a little bit
Speaker 5: on Twitter now or I guess it's called x Y. Yeah,
Speaker 5: and I have an Instagram account. I haven't been too
Speaker 5: active on Instagram, but I do have that, but mainly
Speaker 5: the website and Instagram. Those are really the two best
Speaker 5: ways to follow me.
Speaker 3: All right, So I have got this last, really last question.
Speaker 3: I know, I'll let you go.
Speaker 4: Where's the screenplay going to end up? Now? How do
Speaker 4: you see that unfolding?
Speaker 5: Yeah? So you know, I've I've talked to an agency
Speaker 5: in New York and I've sent I'm starting to send
Speaker 5: more letters out and so I need you, doctor Pat,
Speaker 5: I need you and your audience. I need for this
Speaker 5: to reach the right person, if it's Steelberg or James Cameron,
Speaker 5: you know, I need it to end up in the
Speaker 5: right hands with someone who will be as enthusiastic about
Speaker 5: it as you and I are and work to put
Speaker 5: this out for the world to see. That's what we need.
Speaker 3: Well, we're definitely on your team to make that happen,
Speaker 3: and this interview is a great way to do that
Speaker 3: for several reasons. One, you're introducing this at the perfect time.
Speaker 3: You and I talked about the Spielberg movie coming out, right,
Speaker 3: I think it's today. It is perfect, Emily Blunt the
Speaker 3: whole thing. So that's a conversation in that movie that piggybacks,
Speaker 3: how ready people are, and how beautiful our imagination is
Speaker 3: to move forward futuristically while we revisit the past.
Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3: And I got to tell you I heard Schwartzenegger is
Speaker 3: thinking about another Terminator movie.
Speaker 4: How that will unfold? I have no idea.
Speaker 3: But for you, you've taken real characters, You've taken real experiences,
Speaker 3: real emotions.
Speaker 4: See.
Speaker 3: I want people to get this. This is not a
Speaker 3: comic book. These are real people with real emotions, looking
Speaker 3: at situations, looking at how to solve them for the
Speaker 3: greater good of the world. And that's what these books are.
Speaker 4: About for me.
Speaker 5: Well, thank you for that, doctor Pat. I appreciate that. Awesome.
Speaker 3: Well, thank you for what you're doing. I just love
Speaker 3: I love talking about this. I know this will get
Speaker 3: picked up as a movie. I know it because there's
Speaker 3: so much here that excites me and others about hope.
Speaker 3: It's like we said last night in the show, you
Speaker 3: just can't have You just can't have hope. You have
Speaker 3: to have the audacity to hope. That's what the characters
Speaker 3: in your book have.
Speaker 4: Thank you, Joe.
Speaker 5: You know that you said we are alike. We should
Speaker 5: just like move our heads together here because you know,
Speaker 5: I believe it will happen as well. I am right
Speaker 5: with you, it will happen.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, I mean I know it. I can feel
Speaker 4: it in my bones. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I really can't Thank you, doctor Shuey. I'm going to
Speaker 3: stay in touch with you. I know Linda's working with
Speaker 3: your PR people who are doing a great job, but
Speaker 3: I think we really need a way to support this
Speaker 3: movement forward. So I'm going to be talking to them
Speaker 3: about imagery we can put up our website, different things
Speaker 3: we can use to really pull this into our social
Speaker 3: media arena. Thank you for everything, and thank you for
Speaker 3: exciting me today.
Speaker 5: Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 4: I love it.
Speaker 5: I love your broadcast and it's so fun visiting with you.
Speaker 5: Is when can we do it again?
Speaker 3: I know that's what I'm thinking about. I really I've
Speaker 3: started to think about that a little bit more, and
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go downstairs and talk to Linda about it
Speaker 3: because this is to create a movement like this, you
Speaker 3: have to keep a conversation fresh. Yeah, and there are
Speaker 3: ways to do that. You your team's doing a great job.
Speaker 3: Thank you, doctor Shuey. Thank you so much for everything,
Speaker 3: and by the way, thank you for doing what you're
Speaker 3: doing to save lives.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you're welcome. Thanks for acknowledging that. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 5: Have a great day, doctor, I.
Speaker 3: Will ping pong tonight. Thank you all for tuning us
Speaker 3: and turning us on. As we've said, lots of information
Speaker 3: you're going to see more coming from Ust. We're gonna
Speaker 3: put some images you'll see they're coming throughout this video.
Speaker 3: And please support this. Let's inspire, let's engage, and let's
Speaker 3: have the audacity to hope, like doctor Shuey does.
Speaker 4: Will see you next time.