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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Dan Caplis Show.
Speaker 3: And if you're listening and your ears are working or correctly,
Speaker 3: you can probably tell you're not actually listening to Dan Caplis. Today,
Speaker 3: you have Sheriff Steve Raims filling in, like a couple
Speaker 3: of weeks ago. It's always an honor to be able
Speaker 3: to be part of this show and especially get to
Speaker 3: fill in. I mean, this is like I said before,
Speaker 3: it's like driving Dad's hot ride. You know, when Dan's
Speaker 3: gone and he gives me the opportunity to come on
Speaker 3: the airwaves and share a little bit of information. I
Speaker 3: take the opportunity anytime I can get it. So today
Speaker 3: we're going to have kind of an eventful show, I hope.
Speaker 3: You know, We've had just a little bit of news
Speaker 3: going on in the state of Colorado and nationally, so
Speaker 3: it's probably a good time to try to cover a
Speaker 3: few of those things. And I know something that's actually
Speaker 3: hitting a lot of people here in Colorado is Senate
Speaker 3: Bill to twenty five dash three. I think it was
Speaker 3: last Thursday. Governor Polis and all of his infinite wisdom
Speaker 3: signed that bill into law. And so now we have
Speaker 3: this mess to deal with. And I've been getting a
Speaker 3: ton of messages through social media, through email at work, voicemail,
Speaker 3: pretty much anyway somebody knows how to reach me. At
Speaker 3: this point, I'm getting hit up with what are we
Speaker 3: going to do with this bill? How's it going to
Speaker 3: be overturned? Is it going to be overturned? Is it constitutional?
Speaker 3: What am I going to do as a share Am
Speaker 3: I going to enforce this law? And I think all
Speaker 3: those questions are really coming from a point where people
Speaker 3: are nervous. You know, as I've said many times before,
Speaker 3: Democrats are probably the best gun salesman in the state
Speaker 3: of Colorado because they pass legislation like this and it
Speaker 3: forces people to go out and want to exercise their
Speaker 3: Second Amendment rights. This bill is no different, but it's
Speaker 3: so confusing in the way that it was written. People
Speaker 3: really don't understand exactly what it means. Some people assume
Speaker 3: it just says, hey, there's a bunch of guns that
Speaker 3: are no longer legal in the state of Colorado. Others
Speaker 3: kind of understand that creates a bunch of loop or
Speaker 3: barriers that are going to be placed in front of
Speaker 3: anybody who wants to exercise their Second Amendment rights, at
Speaker 3: least for a whole host of guns. So we'll kind
Speaker 3: of break down the bill as the as the show
Speaker 3: allows us to. We'll take some calls, We'll definitely get
Speaker 3: any text messages that gets sent in, And with that,
Speaker 3: I guess I should put that number out if you'd
Speaker 3: like to like to text in and ask a question
Speaker 3: about the bill. The numbers five seven, seven, three nine
Speaker 3: started out with Dan or you can call in at
Speaker 3: three oh three seven one, three eight two five five.
Speaker 3: I'd love to talk with you on the on the
Speaker 3: radio show here and kind of cuss and discuss a
Speaker 3: little bit about what exactly this bill does and doesn't do,
Speaker 3: and kind of what action I, as a sheriff for
Speaker 3: any sheriff in the state of Colorado for that matter,
Speaker 3: can take and helping to kind of navigate this mess
Speaker 3: that the legislature has given us. But also I would
Speaker 3: like to spend a little bit of time today covering
Speaker 3: another topic that Dan and headed to in the promo
Speaker 3: for this show, and that was the Colorado Governor's race.
Speaker 3: If you listen to the prior show with Ryan Schuling
Speaker 3: and his excellent narratives, he had Greg Lopez come on
Speaker 3: and make his announcement that he's running for a third
Speaker 3: time for governor in the state of Colorado. Maybe his
Speaker 3: tagline will be the third times of Charm. But if
Speaker 3: you listen to that interview, you know that he's one
Speaker 3: of many candidates that are in the race. And when
Speaker 3: you start looking at kind of what lines out on
Speaker 3: the Democrat side, but lines out on the Republican side,
Speaker 3: you can't help but wonder, all right, is this the
Speaker 3: time not only for this race, but maybe the attorney
Speaker 3: General's race and some others. Is this the time where
Speaker 3: Republicans finally have a chance at taking something back? And
Speaker 3: I only say that because of the lackluster candidates that
Speaker 3: you see coming in from the Democrat side. To be
Speaker 3: quite honest with you, as Ryan has many times described,
Speaker 3: Michael Bennett is just so out of touch to me.
Speaker 3: Every time he talks, it sounds like he's trying to
Speaker 3: talk through a yawn. He just he's so hard to
Speaker 3: listen to and he makes me want to yawn just
Speaker 3: while he's talking. So I can't imagine that he resonates
Speaker 3: and creates excitement. But he does have a war chest,
Speaker 3: He does have contacts from his time out in Washington,
Speaker 3: d C. Although he professes that he's spent more time
Speaker 3: in Colorado than any other politician statewide politician.
Speaker 2: I don't know how that would be, but whatever.
Speaker 3: So we'll talk some throughout the show about which candidates
Speaker 3: are on are lining up on the Democrat side, which
Speaker 3: ones are lining up on the Republican side, and a
Speaker 3: little known fact about how many unaffiliated or unidentified candidates
Speaker 3: are in the race. At last count, I think we
Speaker 3: have with Greg Lopez jumping into the race, former congressman
Speaker 3: from CD four for that temporary job with him, that
Speaker 3: makes eleven For the Dems they only have three, and
Speaker 3: for the undecided, unaffiliated, nonpartisan, whatever the other category, you
Speaker 3: have eight candidates. And we'll go through those candidates as
Speaker 3: the show. As the show progresses, heck, let's go ahead
Speaker 3: and start with some of these Republicans, so we know
Speaker 3: Greg Lopez gotten the race. Today we've got Mark Baisley,
Speaker 3: State Senator. I believe Scott Bottoms State rep. Both on
Speaker 3: the Republican side. There's a Jason Clark that's gotten in
Speaker 3: the race. I don't know anything about him. There's a
Speaker 3: Bryson Garrison, Steve Ann Guess, John Gray Ginsburg, which I've
Speaker 3: definitely had some interactions with. He is an interesting character.
Speaker 3: Joshua Griffin. I think I saw a post from him
Speaker 3: on Facebook. Jason Michael which I had on the show
Speaker 3: when I hosted a few weeks back. He's the sheriff
Speaker 3: in Teller County. Alexander Alexander Muguta. I think I said
Speaker 3: that right. And then Jim Runberg Republican. So if any
Speaker 3: of you people out there know these candidates or you
Speaker 3: have a personal affiliation with them, feel free to text
Speaker 3: in tell me what you know about him. Call in again.
Speaker 3: That number is three O three. Let me look at that,
Speaker 3: make sure I get it right. Let's see here three
Speaker 3: three seven one three eight two. That's a rookie mistake.
Speaker 3: And the text number five seven seven thirty nine starts
Speaker 3: your text off with Dan, I'm telling you the stuff
Speaker 3: that the stuff that we're dealing with in the state
Speaker 3: of Colorado and kind of the political landscape out there.
Speaker 3: This is the time. If a Republican is going to
Speaker 3: win this state with the passage of Senate Bill three,
Speaker 3: with another House buil that has gotten a lot of attention,
Speaker 3: House Bill thirteen twelve, which we'll have Jarvis Caldwell on
Speaker 3: here in a little bit to talk about. You know,
Speaker 3: it's a transgender rights bill, or that's kind of the
Speaker 3: way it's being talked about. If a Republican can't find
Speaker 3: a couple of issues to run on, then man, we're
Speaker 3: in a lot of trouble in this state. But I
Speaker 3: got to tell you, just driving down here, I'm sitting
Speaker 3: in traffic and I feel like I'm going to get
Speaker 3: a contact high from all this marijuana smell while I'm
Speaker 3: sitting on I twenty five on a road that looks
Speaker 3: like it's was last maintained probably and I don't know,
Speaker 3: the early two thousands. There are so many issues in
Speaker 3: the state. In fact, while I'm reading through through Greg
Speaker 3: Lopez's press release here he talks about wanting to fix
Speaker 3: the things that are broken in Colorado. We'll start with
Speaker 3: the roads, because the roads here suck. If you have
Speaker 3: a car that has any kind of performance suspension, you
Speaker 3: pretty much have to plan your route before you leave
Speaker 3: the house. If you're riding a motorcycle, it's kind of
Speaker 3: like trying to ride through a landmine, which I ride motorcycles,
Speaker 3: So that's a personal one for me. This state is
Speaker 3: in a dire need of a lot of fixing, and
Speaker 3: the Democrats are running every possible issue out there to
Speaker 3: give Republicans something to campaign on. So if we can't
Speaker 3: win now, it's only because we're beating ourselves up and
Speaker 3: we haven't figured out how to resonate with the unaffiliated voters.
Speaker 3: But as we're talking about candidates, okay, so I read
Speaker 3: off the aid or whatever it was on the Republican side,
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, eleven on the Republican side, Let's talk about
Speaker 3: the three on the Democrat side. So we know, let's
Speaker 3: see here, we've got Michael Bennett, who just announced last
Speaker 3: Friday and probably one of the most boring press conferences
Speaker 3: I've ever watched, because again, it was like he was
Speaker 3: yawning through his own press conference.
Speaker 2: I know, I certainly was.
Speaker 3: I mean, it couldn't even it was less exciting than
Speaker 3: watching Golf Channel reruns. You also have Phil Wiser, and
Speaker 3: then you have a William Moses and I don't know
Speaker 3: anything about William Moses. But I think what it's really
Speaker 3: going to come down to is can Michael Bennett. Can
Speaker 3: he get Phil Wiser in a headlock, give him a
Speaker 3: little nuggy and push him out of the race, and
Speaker 3: where does phil Wiser go? But when you start looking
Speaker 3: at political chess, all right, so we know there's a
Speaker 3: bunch of stuff on the board that you have to
Speaker 3: play with. If Michael Bennett steps away from that Senate seat,
Speaker 3: which he said he's not actually going to step down
Speaker 3: from Senate, He's gonna run as an active senator. So
Speaker 3: if he stays in that seat, gets elected as governor,
Speaker 3: let's just play the what ifs. Then he gets to
Speaker 3: a point the next person to take over his seat,
Speaker 3: and it sounds like that's what his plan is. So
Speaker 3: then is that the Joe A Goose card? Just Joe
Speaker 3: Nogose move over? And then who fills Joe and Nogose's seat?
Speaker 3: Is that where Phil Wiser gets to go go retreat
Speaker 3: to It's going to be interesting to see how the
Speaker 3: Democrats line this up. But you know, on the other
Speaker 3: end of it, the Republicans, they just got to figure
Speaker 3: out how they're going to have this primary where you know,
Speaker 3: we get in a big room and basically fight it out.
Speaker 3: It looks like we got a caller on the line. Oh,
Speaker 3: I think we have a break first though, So we'll
Speaker 3: go to a break before we before we take this call.
Speaker 3: When we come back, well, we have a caller that
Speaker 3: wants to talk about Senate Built twenty five Dash three
Speaker 3: as it relates to hunting, I believe, and some of
Speaker 3: the issues around Fort Collins.
Speaker 2: So we'll go to break. When we come back, we'll
Speaker 2: dive right.
Speaker 3: Into the questions about Senate Bill twenty five Dash Show three.
Speaker 3: You're listening to the Dankapla Show here on six point thirty.
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Speaker 3: That song is the perfect description of my drive down here.
Speaker 3: Hopefully I wasn't stuck in traffic long enough that I
Speaker 3: won't be able to pass the next year analysis test
Speaker 3: that I have to take.
Speaker 2: But you're on the dan Kaplas Show.
Speaker 3: You got Steve Reims setting in a sheriff up in
Speaker 3: Weld County, and we're going to cover a bunch of
Speaker 3: stuff today, but we really want to cover Senate Bill
Speaker 3: twenty five Dash three. I want to hear what you
Speaker 3: have to say about it. Also, I want to hear
Speaker 3: what you have to say about who should be running
Speaker 3: for governor in the state of Colorado. Is there a
Speaker 3: candidate in the race on the Republican side that you're
Speaker 3: ready to support right now? Are you all in for
Speaker 3: one of the candidates that we talked about. I'll read
Speaker 3: them off again at some point in the show. But
Speaker 3: are you Are you invested in who can win this state,
Speaker 3: who can bring this state back? Or do you have
Speaker 3: a recommendation who for who should get in? But we
Speaker 3: have a caller on the line. His name is Huntery
Speaker 3: from Fort Collins, and he's calling in about Senate Bill
Speaker 3: twenty five Dash three. Hunter, how you doing good?
Speaker 5: I just have a question. What's say, for example, I
Speaker 5: didn't want to buy the gun in Colorado. Let's let's
Speaker 5: say I used gun and I wanted to go to
Speaker 5: another state. I'll just throw one out like Arizona or
Speaker 5: something where you can purchase a used gun in a
Speaker 5: parking lot someplace. Sure, it's not a not a big deal,
Speaker 5: and I drive that thing back into Colorado. Can I
Speaker 5: do that legally? Because you know I've stopped at some
Speaker 5: gun shops out of state and they don't really want
Speaker 5: anything to do with me with a Colorado license.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I think that's your biggest burden right now
Speaker 3: is you know, every state around US has gone man,
Speaker 3: I don't want nothing to do with Colorado. So I
Speaker 3: think the easy answer is if you're in that state
Speaker 3: and you're following their laws, and you buy a gun
Speaker 3: and you bring it back here, yes, I think you
Speaker 3: can probably do that without being in violation of the
Speaker 3: state law. That being said, you know, this is a
Speaker 3: little bit of unchartered territory. So if that gun has
Speaker 3: you know, a magazine that extends past you know what
Speaker 3: what is allowable in the state of Colorado. You know,
Speaker 3: is that gun one of those one of these guns
Speaker 3: that's listed in the bill, Are you technically, you know,
Speaker 3: thwarting the law.
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Probably so. Is it enforceable? Not very likely. And I
Speaker 3: think that's the problem. Right Like, if you're a person,
Speaker 3: let's say you live in Arizona right now, you own
Speaker 3: a whole collection of guns, and you move to Colorado, well,
Speaker 3: obviously your guns aren't going to become illegal upon you
Speaker 3: moving here. You had them, you know, you've had them
Speaker 3: in your possession all this time. Now leaving the state
Speaker 3: to buy one and come back in. You know, that's
Speaker 3: probably going to get questioned by a few people, but
Speaker 3: not not by anybody realistically in law enforcement. I don't
Speaker 3: even know if that gives you a clear answer.
Speaker 5: But yeah, I wouldn't be going there just to buy
Speaker 5: a gun. But if I happened to be there anyway,
Speaker 5: A lot of people go there in the winter time, sir,
Speaker 5: and you ran across a deal which you can't get here,
Speaker 5: by the way, you might want to take advantage of that,
Speaker 5: which brings me to one more question.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you bet go for it.
Speaker 5: I had a rental property out of state about twenty
Speaker 5: years ago. While cleaning it out, I found two shotguns
Speaker 5: underneath a bed. Okay, I kept them. They're buried in
Speaker 5: my basement somewhere. I don't I don't use them or anything.
Speaker 5: But I don't know too much about their history or anything.
Speaker 5: But I don't want to go just trucking one into
Speaker 5: the stop shop and say, hey, check these outs. I
Speaker 5: don't want to get arrested or something. But I mean,
Speaker 5: I don't think there's anything any big deal. I think
Speaker 5: they just missed them when they cleaned a place. Is
Speaker 5: there some way to find out with you know, about
Speaker 5: getting myself in trouble.
Speaker 3: You know, that's a great question, and just being in
Speaker 3: possession of them doesn't necessarily mean you've you've violated the law.
Speaker 3: And I will tell you every jurisdiction looks at this
Speaker 3: a little differently from my office. If someone comes forward
Speaker 3: and says, hey, you know, we found these guns, we
Speaker 3: want to make sure that they're not involved in a homicide,
Speaker 3: they're not stolen, whatever we'll do. We'll do a clearance
Speaker 3: of those guns for an individual and say, yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: you're good to go, or or no, this is a
Speaker 3: problem for years. Yeah, so by this time, you know,
Speaker 3: whatever record of the whatever record that may be in
Speaker 3: a system, probably doesn't exist anymore. But it's not a
Speaker 3: bad thing to get in touch with your local law
Speaker 3: enforcement agency and say, hey, will you do this for me.
Speaker 3: Otherwise about the only way you can do it is
Speaker 3: to take it into a gun store as a potential trade,
Speaker 3: and quite frankly, the gun store kind of has to
Speaker 3: take the risk at that point. There is no real
Speaker 3: mechanism for a private individual or a gun store even
Speaker 3: to check the legitimacy of a gun. The only way
Speaker 3: you can do that is through law enforcement. I'm really
Speaker 3: glad you brought this up, because this is an issue
Speaker 3: we brought up. I say we, the sheriffs of Colorado
Speaker 3: brought up.
Speaker 1: Is.
Speaker 3: Hey, this is maybe an area where, you know, if
Speaker 3: you wanted to create a gun law that might be
Speaker 3: helpful to citizens. It's something along these lines, give citizens
Speaker 3: away or give gun stores away that they could check
Speaker 3: the legitimacy of a gun before they buy it or
Speaker 3: you know, before they're in that process. But clearly it's
Speaker 3: kind of jurisdiction by jurisdiction. So I hope that answers
Speaker 3: your question.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean Wolkeville, and I'd have to cost some
Speaker 5: moat to get over to your county.
Speaker 3: And so hey, the drawbridge it comes down, come across.
Speaker 2: You know, we'll take you right. Thank you, Andrew, thanks
Speaker 2: for the call.
Speaker 3: I appreciate it. We got another caller on the line.
Speaker 3: This is Zane from Pueblo. Zaane, you got a question
Speaker 3: about concealed carry. What can I answer for you.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I've got a concealed lessons for bit for like
Speaker 6: I don't know, maybe fifteen sixteen years now. It's it's
Speaker 6: good until like February of twenty twenty nine. Huh so
Speaker 6: when I renew that, as long as I don't buy
Speaker 6: a semi auto, am I gonna have to take a
Speaker 6: class to renew that.
Speaker 3: No, this bill is completely independent Center Bill twenty five
Speaker 3: DESH three is completely independent of the conceal handgun permitting process.
Speaker 3: So if you're in Pueblo and you've got your concealed
Speaker 3: handgun permit and you want to go renew it on
Speaker 3: the date in question, you can still do that. There's
Speaker 3: no problem there. There was a bill that was passed
Speaker 3: last year though, that says if you miss your renewal date,
Speaker 3: then you have to go take a updated training class.
Speaker 3: So don't don't miss your date. But otherwise you should
Speaker 3: be good to go. As far as going out and
Speaker 3: buying another firearm can still weapons permit has nothing to
Speaker 3: do with that. With this new process, they're all independent
Speaker 3: of one another. You start to go to the sheriff's office,
Speaker 3: but for two totally different transactions, de ply up that. Well,
Speaker 3: that a whole bunch of others. Hey, thanks to the
Speaker 3: phone calls.
Speaker 6: There, I appreciate it, Thank you.
Speaker 3: You bet So, we're we're discussing a little bit trying
Speaker 3: to answer a few questions for those people that have
Speaker 3: called in great questions so far. But again, this is
Speaker 3: Steve Reams stilling in for Dan Kaplis. So you know,
Speaker 3: we have a chance to kind of look at it
Speaker 3: from a law enforcement perspective and say, what are the
Speaker 3: ins and outs of center Bill twenty five dash zero three,
Speaker 3: this atrocious gun bill that Governor Polis signed in the
Speaker 3: law last Thursday. And you know, he didn't do it
Speaker 3: with a lot of fanfare, which tells me he's embarrassed
Speaker 3: about what he did. But the only the only thing
Speaker 3: I see out of it is I think Governor Polis
Speaker 3: has written off his political ambitions at this point, at
Speaker 3: least I have to believe that's what his intent was here,
Speaker 3: because what red blooded American is going to vote for
Speaker 3: this guy in a presidential who's passed one of the
Speaker 3: most restrictive gun laws that we've ever seen, at least
Speaker 3: in the state of Colorado, And it may take the
Speaker 3: cake for what you see nationwide. You know, as we're
Speaker 3: talking about this bill, I'll just go into some of
Speaker 3: the details here before we before we have to hit
Speaker 3: a hard break. Send it Bill twenty five to three. Really,
Speaker 3: what it does is it tells you have to go
Speaker 3: to a sheriff and get permission to go buy a
Speaker 3: gun that has a removable, removable magazine and is semi
Speaker 3: automatic in nature, and it pretty much runs the gamut.
Speaker 3: There are a few exceptions for guns that would meet
Speaker 3: that definition, but pretty much just think of any gun
Speaker 3: that you would commonly want to carry, handgun or rifle.
Speaker 3: What you'll be required to do now is is go
Speaker 3: get a background check from some private entity, which is
Speaker 3: a whole nother level of stupidity because as a sheriff,
Speaker 3: we can do background checks, but the law doesn't allow
Speaker 3: you to do that. You got to go You got
Speaker 3: to go to a private entity to have that done
Speaker 3: and then bring it into my offer, and then we
Speaker 3: turn around and say, yeah, you're good. You can go
Speaker 3: take this class and then you'll get registered to take
Speaker 3: an opportunity to go buy a gun. We're going to
Speaker 3: a hard break. When we come back, we're going to
Speaker 3: have Jarvis Caldwell on the line to talk to us
Speaker 3: about House Bill thirteen twelve. You listening to the Dan
Speaker 3: Caplis Show on six.
Speaker 2: Point thirty K.
Speaker 4: You're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast.
Speaker 3: You're back with the Dankplas show. You got Steve raims
Speaker 3: Well Kuny Sheriff sitting in today while Dan's off handling
Speaker 3: some really important business. I'm sure probably suing the behind
Speaker 3: off of somebody who knows. But I told you in
Speaker 3: the early part of the show we were going to
Speaker 3: have a state rep on mister Jarvis Caldwell from HD twenty.
Speaker 3: He recently made a little bit of a dust up
Speaker 3: down at the State House when he kind of challenged
Speaker 3: a House bill that's going through down there right now
Speaker 3: that I can't even begin to describe. So we'll let
Speaker 3: him do that. That's House Bill thirteen twelve. But on
Speaker 3: the line with us is a representative Jarvis Caldwell.
Speaker 2: How you doing heany?
Speaker 7: Steve, thanks so much for having me and I appreciate
Speaker 7: the intro music.
Speaker 2: Well you picked that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I can't think of anything more appropriate than
Speaker 3: what you're dealing with down there at the State House
Speaker 3: right now, because there's a whole lot of smoke and
Speaker 3: mirrors going on, I'm certain, But tell us a little
Speaker 3: bit about the dust up you had and kind of
Speaker 3: what has that turned into. I know you've done some
Speaker 3: Fox News stuff and of course this big show. So
Speaker 3: just tell the listeners kind of what you ran into.
Speaker 7: Yes, sir, So for your listeners who haven't heard yet,
Speaker 7: he'se built thirteen twelve. It's a it's called legal protections
Speaker 7: for transgender individuals, but it's way more than that. And
Speaker 7: the bottom line of it is in legal custody disputes
Speaker 7: that the bill orders a judge to side with the
Speaker 7: parent who affirms the gender identity delusions of the child right,
Speaker 7: and the parent who doesn't go along with that, and
Speaker 7: once again help for the child is considered committing child
Speaker 7: abuse and therefore loses custody. And I mean, this is
Speaker 7: just really it's lit a fire and parents in Colorado.
Speaker 7: The Christian community has just come out incredible over the
Speaker 7: last couple of weeks, and I have so many videos
Speaker 7: sent to me of pastors speaking from the pulpit about
Speaker 7: this and just trying to rally people together to come
Speaker 7: out against this.
Speaker 3: So how does a bill like this get introduced without
Speaker 3: just getting attacked? And I know this is kind of
Speaker 3: a setup, but how did this bill kind of fly
Speaker 3: under the radar for so long?
Speaker 7: Yeah, So the thing is is it got introduced on
Speaker 7: the House floor on March twenty eighth, which is a Friday,
Speaker 7: in the evening after we already adjourned for the day,
Speaker 7: unless the speaker usually stays behind and just kind of
Speaker 7: does some for work introducing bills, assigning bills. So all
Speaker 7: of us went home for the weekend, none of us
Speaker 7: had heard about it. And then that following Monday, the
Speaker 7: Chairman Javier Maybray kind of casually said, oh, yeah, by
Speaker 7: the way, tomorrow we're going to hear this bill in committee.
Speaker 7: And once we started looking up the bill, we realized
Speaker 7: how bad it was. So we had less than twenty
Speaker 7: four hours to prepare for this bill when we found
Speaker 7: out in testimony that they'd been working on this bill
Speaker 7: for over a year.
Speaker 3: Of course, of course, so all right, you get into
Speaker 3: a little bit of a dust up by making a
Speaker 3: comment about hey, we're gonna we're going to risk federal
Speaker 3: funding or something along those lines for the state of Colorado.
Speaker 3: Who was that exchange with and kind of what is
Speaker 3: that dovetailed into? I know, like I said, you got
Speaker 3: a lot of national attention for your comments. How'd that go?
Speaker 7: Yeah, So something that the Republicans and I have kept
Speaker 7: kind of pushing. We keep running these bills these like
Speaker 7: immigration bills and these transgender bills and just anti printal
Speaker 7: rights bills and gun bills, and I feel like the
Speaker 7: Democrats and the legislature are doing this like specifically to
Speaker 7: kind of the eye of President Trump. So we keep
Speaker 7: running amendments that say, if the federal government, if this
Speaker 7: risk funds, and they threatened fund this bill is automatically repealed,
Speaker 7: and we did it with this bill, and the Democrats
Speaker 7: have killed it every time. I almost think at this
Speaker 7: point they want that to happen so they can play
Speaker 7: victim and you know, big bad Trump.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, in all fairness, I mean, I don't
Speaker 3: know why the federal the federal government wouldn't look at
Speaker 3: withdrawing some funds from the state of Colorado. I mean,
Speaker 3: there's there's a multitude of reasons, whether it's you know,
Speaker 3: being a sanctuary state or passing stuff like this. I mean,
Speaker 3: I think these bills do put federal funding for the
Speaker 3: state at risk. And to your point, yeah, it would
Speaker 3: be it would be foolish for them to actually make
Speaker 3: that happen. But then again, they're kind of the party
Speaker 3: of foolishness right now.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and it's it's even crazier than that. So the
Speaker 7: Speaker of the House does introduced the bill. It's her bill,
Speaker 7: it's House Bill thirteen twenty one. And I don't think
Speaker 7: this is on many people's radars right now, but we're
Speaker 7: we're setting aside four million dollars from our infrastructure fund,
Speaker 7: specifically four potential lawsuits from the federal government if they
Speaker 7: try to take funding. So we're taking from our infrastructure fund,
Speaker 7: our taxpayer money, and saying that we're going to use
Speaker 7: this to fight the federal government if they do threaten
Speaker 7: to take funds from us. And that's a bill that
Speaker 7: just came out, I think, last week, and hasn't really
Speaker 7: got a lot of attention at all.
Speaker 3: So what would that infrastructure fund normally be used for?
Speaker 3: I think I can probably put two and two together.
Speaker 3: But if it wasn't to fight back against the federal government,
Speaker 3: what would that money typically get used for.
Speaker 7: Well, I hope it'd be used for potholes, because I
Speaker 7: cracked my rim zone know how many times driving back
Speaker 7: and forth to Opaso County every day.
Speaker 3: Well, I can tell you pothole took on a whole
Speaker 3: different meeting today when I was driving down the highway
Speaker 3: and I was sitting in a big cloud of pot smoke.
Speaker 3: So yeah, in this state, you know, our spending and
Speaker 3: our efforts are definitely misguided. So while we got you
Speaker 3: just for a little bit, representative called well, educate the
Speaker 3: voters about the area that you represent and kind of
Speaker 3: what your desire is or what your passion is down
Speaker 3: there at the State House. I know you're fighting against
Speaker 3: everything down there, but where do you represent and kind
Speaker 3: of what's your background so people can get more involved
Speaker 3: in following you and getting to know you a little better.
Speaker 7: Yes, sir, So I'm northern Olpaso County. So i have
Speaker 7: the Air Force Academy, which is very fitting because I'm
Speaker 7: an Air Force veteran monument Palmer Lake Black Force and
Speaker 7: souton Colorado. And my background is I was ten years
Speaker 7: in the United States Air Force. I have a wife
Speaker 7: and two kids. My wife is retired Air Force twenty
Speaker 7: two and a half years. And you know, the big
Speaker 7: thing I ran on was safety and security. So I
Speaker 7: sit on Judiciary Committee and I hear all these horrible
Speaker 7: bills that the Democrats are running. They're trying to put
Speaker 7: more more criminals back out onto the streets. And while
Speaker 7: we're trying to make sure we protect our community members
Speaker 7: and keep the criminals off the streets. So that's a
Speaker 7: big thing for me. I was in the jagquarps. I
Speaker 7: was an enlisted paralegal and so I used to sit
Speaker 7: in on court martials and you know, making sure we
Speaker 7: got justice for victims. So I do have that criminal
Speaker 7: justice background. But I'm also a charter school board member
Speaker 7: and I have two kids in elementary school, so education,
Speaker 7: school choice, parntal rights are big issues for me. And
Speaker 7: this is this house built thirteen twelve. This is a
Speaker 7: big parntal rights fight for me.
Speaker 2: Absolutely.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, I feel for anybody who's having
Speaker 3: to deal with a kid who's you know, going through
Speaker 3: this transgender question in their mind. But to magnify it
Speaker 3: with a bill that is placed before us. I can't
Speaker 3: imagine a parent trying to navigate, you know, a very
Speaker 3: complex situation with their kid, and you hope nobody has
Speaker 3: to go through that. But if they are going through that,
Speaker 3: to throw this fuel on the fire, it seems like
Speaker 3: it's it's not in a it's nothing good, right.
Speaker 7: Yeah. The point I keep making is this is their ideology, right.
Speaker 7: They put it in commercials, they put it in Disney movies,
Speaker 7: they put it in our schools, and they push it
Speaker 7: on our kids. This wasn't a thing twenty thirty years ago,
Speaker 7: but they push it on our kids. And then they say,
Speaker 7: if we're not okay with it and we don't go
Speaker 7: along with it, then we were losing custody of our
Speaker 7: kids and we're committing child abuse. And I'm not okay
Speaker 7: with that, and I think most color Reddins aren't either.
Speaker 3: So in the testimony for this bill, what's been the
Speaker 3: balance is it? You know, has it been overwhelmingly supportive
Speaker 3: of the bill? Negative of the bill? Like, what are
Speaker 3: you saying from the public. I mean, I think this
Speaker 3: is getting a lot of traction, But are people showing up?
Speaker 3: And what does the testimony look like?
Speaker 7: Yeah, So we had two hundred and twenty witnesses for
Speaker 7: this bill when it went through House Judiciary Committee, and
Speaker 7: about half of that was people in opposition. And remember
Speaker 7: that was less than twenty four hours of notice.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 7: And so I think when they finally assign it to
Speaker 7: a CINIC committee, it's going to be gigantic. I mean,
Speaker 7: I'm I'm hoping we break a record, the biggest I've
Speaker 7: ever seen for a committee was like six hundred and
Speaker 7: fifty for a gun bill. I think that was SP three.
Speaker 7: I think we'll get a thousand people that show up
Speaker 7: to testify against this bill. And I think they haven't
Speaker 7: assigned it yet to a Senate committee because they realize
Speaker 7: the national backlash. And Loreina Garcia, the sponsor of this
Speaker 7: in the House, she posted over the weekend on her
Speaker 7: blue Sky account, which is like the liberal Twitter that
Speaker 7: the main she called it, mainstream LGBT groups are trying
Speaker 7: to kill this bill behind the scenes, which is the
Speaker 7: first I've heard of it. But I think even their
Speaker 7: side of the aisle realizes the backlash.
Speaker 2: The still, yeah, it's just so unpopular.
Speaker 3: Well, Representative cauld Well, we really appreciate you coming on
Speaker 3: with us, and quite frankly, we'd love for you to
Speaker 3: keep in touch and kind of let us know where
Speaker 3: this bill travels when it does hit the Senate and
Speaker 3: it's time to get the word out there. I'm sure
Speaker 3: Dan or Ryan, we'll be happy to get you back
Speaker 3: on so you can draw attention to the bill. And again,
Speaker 3: thanks for being on the show and thanks for educating us.
Speaker 7: Yes, sir, thank you for having me very much.
Speaker 3: All right, you listening to the Dankapleas Show. You got
Speaker 3: Sheriff Steve Reims setting in for the day. We're going
Speaker 3: to cut to a break and I want to come back.
Speaker 3: We'll take a few more phone calls about Senate Bill
Speaker 3: twenty five Dash three.
Speaker 4: And now back to the Dan Tapless Show podcast.
Speaker 3: Welcome back to the Dan Capleas Show. You got Steve
Speaker 3: Reams setting in for the day. But I want to
Speaker 3: get right to this. We've got a guest on the line.
Speaker 3: This is a short segment, so I want to make
Speaker 3: sure we can cover as much ground as possible. We
Speaker 3: have Ian Escalante with the Rocky Mountain Gun owners. Ian,
Speaker 3: Welcome to the show.
Speaker 5: Hey, Sheriff Reams, thank you so much for having me on.
Speaker 5: Can you hear me? Okay?
Speaker 2: I can hear you? Great, I so can the listeners. Hey.
Speaker 3: I wanted to have you on the show because we've
Speaker 3: we've been talking a lot about Senate Bill three and
Speaker 3: I know I'm getting asked a ton of questions about, Hey,
Speaker 3: what are the sheriffs going to do? Can you stand
Speaker 3: up against this? And I'm sure you're getting asked a
Speaker 3: lot of those same questions about what's Rocky Mountain Gun
Speaker 3: owners going to do now, is there a lawsuit in
Speaker 3: the works. Where are you guys out on this now?
Speaker 7: Sure?
Speaker 5: So I want to address obviously the issue at hand,
Speaker 5: which is Centate Bill three. What Jared Polas did was
Speaker 5: one of the most disgraceful things in our state and
Speaker 5: honestly our nation's history, by signing a opening up the
Speaker 5: floodgates for full scale civilian disarmament in the state of Colorado.
Speaker 5: I want to be abundantly clear. They're trying to say, Oh,
Speaker 5: this is just training, Oh this is just a way
Speaker 5: to make sure we're getting guns in the right hand.
Speaker 5: This is opening the door for civilian disarmament. We've seen
Speaker 5: it in Illinois, it's happening in Washington right now, and
Speaker 5: it's about to start happening here. What RMGO is planning
Speaker 5: to do is, we have a couple of things in mind.
Speaker 5: First things first, we're going to be start right now
Speaker 5: working overtime to recruit candidates and get people trained up
Speaker 5: so they can run for office in twenty twenty six,
Speaker 5: and ensure that accountability comes to the Democrats who voted
Speaker 5: for this piece of legislation. We cannot let them get
Speaker 5: away with this.
Speaker 3: I'm Glad you said piece of legislation and not what
Speaker 3: I was thinking, So keep going exactly.
Speaker 5: The next thing is, we have a team of some
Speaker 5: of the best Second Amendment attorneys and legal experts in
Speaker 5: the nation. We're sitting down right now and formulating a
Speaker 5: legal strategy on how we're going to combat this. Sure,
Speaker 5: it's a little bit more difficult to beat in court
Speaker 5: than an outright ban, not because it's any less unconstitutional,
Speaker 5: but because when you have the liberal judges in the
Speaker 5: Tenth Circuit, many of whom were appointed by Barack Obama
Speaker 5: and Joe Biden, they are looking for any excuse to
Speaker 5: dismiss this a case against gun control and try to
Speaker 5: create new precedent. That's their strategy against the Brewing decision
Speaker 5: now is they just want to override it with new precedent.
Speaker 5: So hopefully ten year, ten to fifteen years down the road,
Speaker 5: when the Supreme Court is not as conservative as it
Speaker 5: is today, they then can overturn Brewin and fully have
Speaker 5: the Supreme Court a staffablish that this garbage is constitutional.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I couldn't agree with you more. You know, one
Speaker 3: of the things I've seen in the bill is how
Speaker 3: open ended it is. I mean, it doesn't even put
Speaker 3: time restrictions on how long a sheriff has to issue
Speaker 3: these cards. You know, there's a bunch of questions about
Speaker 3: when you take the class, how soon do you have
Speaker 3: to come in and are after your issued a card,
Speaker 3: how soon do you have to go take the class.
Speaker 3: There's just a whole bunch of open ended stuff here
Speaker 3: that you know, I guess if you're going to attack
Speaker 3: the bill, that's that's the way to start is just
Speaker 3: by how you know, how poorly written it is.
Speaker 5: Absolutely and I mean, we see this happening in Los
Speaker 5: Angeles County right now, where they set up this new
Speaker 5: permanent system for concealed carrier licenses, and now people are
Speaker 5: waiting two years to obtain their government permission slip to
Speaker 5: quote unquote allow them to exercise their god given rights
Speaker 5: twenty four months, and the state of Illinois their firearm
Speaker 5: Owner's ID card is taking sometimes eighteen months for people
Speaker 5: to get their applications proved process and then to actually
Speaker 5: obtain their permit to purchase and possess, which is that's
Speaker 5: where we're headed. We're headed towards firearm uner ID card.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I don't disagree with you, but one of the challenges,
Speaker 3: as you've probably you're probably well aware. This thing doesn't
Speaker 3: go into effect until August first of twenty twenty six,
Speaker 3: so creating standing is a challenge. And also there's there's
Speaker 3: been no discussion about what fees are going to be
Speaker 3: around this, and we know fees are just a tax,
Speaker 3: but you know, the state's going to set a fee
Speaker 3: for what it costs you to apply for this permit,
Speaker 3: and then sheriffs on top of that are probably going
Speaker 3: to add some fees to cover the cost of administering
Speaker 3: this program. I mean, this could get pretty exorbitant. And
Speaker 3: there's no cap. I mean, it doesn't say where it stops.
Speaker 5: No, and it doesn't that's the point. I mean what
Speaker 5: I said, I said this the day the bill was signed.
Speaker 5: I said, Senate Bill three is a minute straight of
Speaker 5: ban disuise as a permit to purchase system. That's what
Speaker 5: it is. They can't paign the guns outright, but they
Speaker 5: can they can just not issue you your license or
Speaker 5: make it to where you can't even take a class.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just slow, that's.
Speaker 5: What they're trying to do.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I said earlier in the show, I've I've read
Speaker 3: a lot of bad bills, but this one probably takes
Speaker 3: the cake. I mean, whoever wrote it, which whichever version
Speaker 3: you want to look at, they it was almost like
Speaker 3: it was their first attempt at writing law. And maybe
Speaker 3: that helps in a in a lawsuit against this thing.
Speaker 5: Well, I can tell you this that what they did
Speaker 5: is that if they were looking for a most terrible,
Speaker 5: uncontrolled bill with so many moving parts and a severability clause,
Speaker 5: that it's harder to just take the bill down in
Speaker 5: one fell swoop. Whoever wrote this bill deserves a raise
Speaker 5: because they did a darn good job of doing it.
Speaker 5: But that's not going to stop us. We're going to
Speaker 5: keep fighting it. The other thing we're doing is it's
Speaker 5: been a deliberate effort to come out and turn Colorado
Speaker 5: into ground zero for radical gun control. We've had over
Speaker 5: thirty gun control bills filed in the last three years alone,
Speaker 5: and that is why we are actually armed you as
Speaker 5: a petition to Attorney General Pam Bondi, and we're going
Speaker 5: to put pressure on her and we're going to urge
Speaker 5: her to step in here and say, listen, something has
Speaker 5: to be done.
Speaker 3: Well, Ian, I appreciate the efforts that you and the
Speaker 3: Rocky Mountain gun owners are providing in this effort. We
Speaker 3: got to get rid of this thing. It's bad legislation
Speaker 3: all the way around. But I think everybody needs to
Speaker 3: know this is going to be a long road, so
Speaker 3: don't walk away from it. Keep supporting the guys that
Speaker 3: are fighting the fight. And Ian, thanks for being on
Speaker 3: with us. We really appreciate it.
Speaker 5: Thank you, Cherff.
Speaker 2: I have a good one, all right.
Speaker 3: You're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show. When we come
Speaker 3: back after break, we're gonna have a few callers and
Speaker 3: some text message to get to about Senatebille twenty five
Speaker 3: dash three. Thanks for listening with us again, Dan Kaplas
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