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<v Speaker 1>This is Dan Capless and welcome to today's online podcast

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<v Speaker 1>edition of The Dan Caplis Show. Please be sure to

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to the Dan Caplis Show.

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<v Speaker 3>And if you're listening and your ears are working or correctly,

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<v Speaker 3>you can probably tell you're not actually listening to Dan Caplis. Today,

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<v Speaker 3>you have Sheriff Steve Raims filling in, like a couple

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<v Speaker 3>of weeks ago. It's always an honor to be able

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<v Speaker 3>to be part of this show and especially get to

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<v Speaker 3>fill in. I mean, this is like I said before,

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<v Speaker 3>it's like driving Dad's hot ride. You know, when Dan's

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<v Speaker 3>gone and he gives me the opportunity to come on

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<v Speaker 3>the airwaves and share a little bit of information. I

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<v Speaker 3>take the opportunity anytime I can get it. So today

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<v Speaker 3>we're going to have kind of an eventful show, I hope.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, We've had just a little bit of news

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<v Speaker 3>going on in the state of Colorado and nationally, so

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<v Speaker 3>it's probably a good time to try to cover a

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<v Speaker 3>few of those things. And I know something that's actually

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<v Speaker 3>hitting a lot of people here in Colorado is Senate

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<v Speaker 3>Bill to twenty five dash three. I think it was

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<v Speaker 3>last Thursday. Governor Polis and all of his infinite wisdom

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<v Speaker 3>signed that bill into law. And so now we have

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<v Speaker 3>this mess to deal with. And I've been getting a

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<v Speaker 3>ton of messages through social media, through email at work, voicemail,

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<v Speaker 3>pretty much anyway somebody knows how to reach me. At

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<v Speaker 3>this point, I'm getting hit up with what are we

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<v Speaker 3>going to do with this bill? How's it going to

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<v Speaker 3>be overturned? Is it going to be overturned? Is it constitutional?

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<v Speaker 3>What am I going to do as a share Am

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<v Speaker 3>I going to enforce this law? And I think all

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<v Speaker 3>those questions are really coming from a point where people

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<v Speaker 3>are nervous. You know, as I've said many times before,

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<v Speaker 3>Democrats are probably the best gun salesman in the state

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<v Speaker 3>of Colorado because they pass legislation like this and it

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<v Speaker 3>forces people to go out and want to exercise their

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<v Speaker 3>Second Amendment rights. This bill is no different, but it's

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<v Speaker 3>so confusing in the way that it was written. People

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<v Speaker 3>really don't understand exactly what it means. Some people assume

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<v Speaker 3>it just says, hey, there's a bunch of guns that

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<v Speaker 3>are no longer legal in the state of Colorado. Others

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<v Speaker 3>kind of understand that creates a bunch of loop or

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<v Speaker 3>barriers that are going to be placed in front of

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<v Speaker 3>anybody who wants to exercise their Second Amendment rights, at

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<v Speaker 3>least for a whole host of guns. So we'll kind

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<v Speaker 3>of break down the bill as the as the show

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<v Speaker 3>allows us to. We'll take some calls, We'll definitely get

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<v Speaker 3>any text messages that gets sent in, And with that,

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<v Speaker 3>I guess I should put that number out if you'd

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<v Speaker 3>like to like to text in and ask a question

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<v Speaker 3>about the bill. The numbers five seven, seven, three nine

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<v Speaker 3>three oh three seven one, three eight two five five.

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<v Speaker 3>I'd love to talk with you on the on the

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<v Speaker 3>radio show here and kind of cuss and discuss a

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<v Speaker 3>little bit about what exactly this bill does and doesn't do,

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<v Speaker 3>and kind of what action I, as a sheriff for

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<v Speaker 3>any sheriff in the state of Colorado for that matter,

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<v Speaker 3>can take and helping to kind of navigate this mess

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<v Speaker 3>that the legislature has given us. But also I would

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<v Speaker 3>like to spend a little bit of time today covering

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<v Speaker 3>another topic that Dan and headed to in the promo

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<v Speaker 3>for this show, and that was the Colorado Governor's race.

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<v Speaker 3>If you listen to the prior show with Ryan Schuling

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<v Speaker 3>and his excellent narratives, he had Greg Lopez come on

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<v Speaker 3>and make his announcement that he's running for a third

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<v Speaker 3>time for governor in the state of Colorado. Maybe his

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<v Speaker 3>tagline will be the third times of Charm. But if

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<v Speaker 3>you listen to that interview, you know that he's one

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<v Speaker 3>of many candidates that are in the race. And when

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<v Speaker 3>you can't help but wonder, all right, is this the

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<v Speaker 3>time not only for this race, but maybe the attorney

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<v Speaker 3>General's race and some others. Is this the time where

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<v Speaker 3>Republicans finally have a chance at taking something back? And

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<v Speaker 3>I only say that because of the lackluster candidates that

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<v Speaker 3>Michael Bennett is just so out of touch to me.

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<v Speaker 3>Every time he talks, it sounds like he's trying to

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<v Speaker 3>and creates excitement. But he does have a war chest,

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<v Speaker 3>He does have contacts from his time out in Washington,

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<v Speaker 3>in Colorado than any other politician statewide politician.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know how that would be, but whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>So we'll talk some throughout the show about which candidates

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<v Speaker 3>are on are lining up on the Democrat side, which

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<v Speaker 3>little known fact about how many unaffiliated or unidentified candidates

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<v Speaker 3>are in the race. At last count, I think we

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<v Speaker 3>have with Greg Lopez jumping into the race, former congressman

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<v Speaker 3>from CD four for that temporary job with him, that

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<v Speaker 3>makes eleven For the Dems they only have three, and

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<v Speaker 3>have eight candidates. And we'll go through those candidates as

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<v Speaker 3>the show. As the show progresses, heck, let's go ahead

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<v Speaker 3>and start with some of these Republicans, so we know

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<v Speaker 3>Greg Lopez gotten the race. Today we've got Mark Baisley,

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<v Speaker 3>State Senator. I believe Scott Bottoms State rep. Both on

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<v Speaker 3>the race. I don't know anything about him. There's a

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<v Speaker 3>definitely had some interactions with. He is an interesting character.

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<v Speaker 3>Joshua Griffin. I think I saw a post from him

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<v Speaker 3>on Facebook. Jason Michael which I had on the show

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<v Speaker 3>when I hosted a few weeks back. He's the sheriff

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<v Speaker 3>in Teller County. Alexander Alexander Muguta. I think I said

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<v Speaker 3>that right. And then Jim Runberg Republican. So if any

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<v Speaker 3>of you people out there know these candidates or you

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<v Speaker 3>have a personal affiliation with them, feel free to text

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<v Speaker 3>in tell me what you know about him. Call in again.

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<v Speaker 3>That number is three O three. Let me look at that,

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<v Speaker 3>make sure I get it right. Let's see here three

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<v Speaker 3>three seven one three eight two. That's a rookie mistake.

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<v Speaker 3>And the text number five seven seven thirty nine starts

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<v Speaker 3>your text off with Dan, I'm telling you the stuff

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<v Speaker 3>that the stuff that we're dealing with in the state

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<v Speaker 3>of Colorado and kind of the political landscape out there.

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<v Speaker 3>This is the time. If a Republican is going to

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<v Speaker 3>it's a transgender rights bill, or that's kind of the

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<v Speaker 3>way it's being talked about. If a Republican can't find

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<v Speaker 3>a couple of issues to run on, then man, we're

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<v Speaker 3>in a lot of trouble in this state. But I

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<v Speaker 3>got to tell you, just driving down here, I'm sitting

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<v Speaker 3>in traffic and I feel like I'm going to get

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<v Speaker 3>a contact high from all this marijuana smell while I'm

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<v Speaker 3>sitting on I twenty five on a road that looks

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<v Speaker 3>like it's was last maintained probably and I don't know,

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<v Speaker 3>the early two thousands. There are so many issues in

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<v Speaker 3>Lopez's press release here he talks about wanting to fix

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<v Speaker 3>the things that are broken in Colorado. We'll start with

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<v Speaker 3>the roads, because the roads here suck. If you have

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<v Speaker 3>pretty much have to plan your route before you leave

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<v Speaker 3>the house. If you're riding a motorcycle, it's kind of

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<v Speaker 3>like trying to ride through a landmine, which I ride motorcycles,

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<v Speaker 3>So that's a personal one for me. This state is

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<v Speaker 3>in a dire need of a lot of fixing, and

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<v Speaker 3>the Democrats are running every possible issue out there to

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<v Speaker 3>give Republicans something to campaign on. So if we can't

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<v Speaker 3>win now, it's only because we're beating ourselves up and

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<v Speaker 3>we haven't figured out how to resonate with the unaffiliated voters.

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<v Speaker 3>But as we're talking about candidates, okay, so I read

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<v Speaker 3>off the aid or whatever it was on the Republican side,

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<v Speaker 3>the three on the Democrat side. So we know, let's

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<v Speaker 3>see here, we've got Michael Bennett, who just announced last

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<v Speaker 3>Friday and probably one of the most boring press conferences

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<v Speaker 3>I've ever watched, because again, it was like he was

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<v Speaker 3>yawning through his own press conference.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, I certainly was.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, it couldn't even it was less exciting than

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<v Speaker 3>watching Golf Channel reruns. You also have Phil Wiser, and

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<v Speaker 3>going to come down to is can Michael Bennett. Can

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<v Speaker 3>he get Phil Wiser in a headlock, give him a

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<v Speaker 3>where does phil Wiser go? But when you start looking

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<v Speaker 3>at political chess, all right, so we know there's a

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<v Speaker 3>bunch of stuff on the board that you have to

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<v Speaker 3>play with. If Michael Bennett steps away from that Senate seat,

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<v Speaker 3>which he said he's not actually going to step down

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<v Speaker 3>from Senate, He's gonna run as an active senator. So

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<v Speaker 3>if he stays in that seat, gets elected as governor,

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<v Speaker 3>let's just play the what ifs. Then he gets to

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<v Speaker 3>then is that the Joe A Goose card? Just Joe

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<v Speaker 3>Nogose move over? And then who fills Joe and Nogose's seat?

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<v Speaker 3>Is that where Phil Wiser gets to go go retreat

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<v Speaker 3>to It's going to be interesting to see how the

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<v Speaker 3>out how they're going to have this primary where you know,

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<v Speaker 3>we get in a big room and basically fight it out.

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<v Speaker 3>It looks like we got a caller on the line. Oh,

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<v Speaker 3>I think we have a break first though, So we'll

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<v Speaker 3>When we come back, well, we have a caller that

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<v Speaker 3>wants to talk about Senate Built twenty five Dash three

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<v Speaker 3>as it relates to hunting, I believe, and some of

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<v Speaker 2>So we'll go to break. When we come back, we'll

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<v Speaker 3>Into the questions about Senate Bill twenty five Dash Show three.

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<v Speaker 4>And now back to the dan Kaplas Show podcast.

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<v Speaker 3>That song is the perfect description of my drive down here.

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<v Speaker 3>Hopefully I wasn't stuck in traffic long enough that I

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<v Speaker 2>But you're on the dan Kaplas Show.

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<v Speaker 3>You got Steve Reims setting in a sheriff up in

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<v Speaker 3>Weld County, and we're going to cover a bunch of

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<v Speaker 3>stuff today, but we really want to cover Senate Bill

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<v Speaker 3>for governor in the state of Colorado. Is there a

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<v Speaker 3>one of the candidates that we talked about. I'll read

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<v Speaker 3>a recommendation who for who should get in? But we

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<v Speaker 5>I just have a question. What's say, for example, I

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<v Speaker 5>say I used gun and I wanted to go to

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<v Speaker 5>something where you can purchase a used gun in a

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<v Speaker 5>parking lot someplace. Sure, it's not a not a big deal,

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<v Speaker 5>and I drive that thing back into Colorado. Can I

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<v Speaker 5>do that legally? Because you know I've stopped at some

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so I think that's your biggest burden right now

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<v Speaker 3>is you know, every state around US has gone man,

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<v Speaker 3>think the easy answer is if you're in that state

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<v Speaker 3>and you're following their laws, and you buy a gun

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<v Speaker 3>and you bring it back here, yes, I think you

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<v Speaker 3>state law. That being said, you know, this is a

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<v Speaker 3>little bit of unchartered territory. So if that gun has

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<v Speaker 3>you know, a magazine that extends past you know what

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<v Speaker 3>what is allowable in the state of Colorado. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>is that gun one of those one of these guns

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<v Speaker 3>that's listed in the bill, Are you technically, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>thwarting the law.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>Probably so. Is it enforceable? Not very likely. And I

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<v Speaker 3>a whole collection of guns, and you move to Colorado, well,

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<v Speaker 3>obviously your guns aren't going to become illegal upon you

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<v Speaker 3>moving here. You had them, you know, you've had them

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<v Speaker 3>to buy one and come back in. You know, that's

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<v Speaker 3>probably going to get questioned by a few people, but

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<v Speaker 3>not not by anybody realistically in law enforcement. I don't

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<v Speaker 5>But yeah, I wouldn't be going there just to buy

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<v Speaker 5>a gun. But if I happened to be there anyway,

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<v Speaker 5>A lot of people go there in the winter time, sir,

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<v Speaker 5>and you ran across a deal which you can't get here,

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<v Speaker 5>by the way, you might want to take advantage of that,

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<v Speaker 5>I had a rental property out of state about twenty

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<v Speaker 5>years ago. While cleaning it out, I found two shotguns

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<v Speaker 5>underneath a bed. Okay, I kept them. They're buried in

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<v Speaker 5>But I don't know too much about their history or anything.

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<v Speaker 5>But I don't want to go just trucking one into

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<v Speaker 5>don't want to get arrested or something. But I mean,

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<v Speaker 5>I don't think there's anything any big deal. I think

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<v Speaker 5>they just missed them when they cleaned a place. Is

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<v Speaker 5>there some way to find out with you know, about

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<v Speaker 3>You know, that's a great question, and just being in

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<v Speaker 3>possession of them doesn't necessarily mean you've you've violated the law.

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<v Speaker 3>And I will tell you every jurisdiction looks at this

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<v Speaker 3>a little differently from my office. If someone comes forward

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<v Speaker 3>want to make sure that they're not involved in a homicide,

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<v Speaker 3>they're not stolen, whatever we'll do. We'll do a clearance

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<v Speaker 3>of those guns for an individual and say, yeah, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>you're good to go, or or no, this is a

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<v Speaker 3>problem for years. Yeah, so by this time, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>whatever record of the whatever record that may be in

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<v Speaker 3>a system, probably doesn't exist anymore. But it's not a

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<v Speaker 3>bad thing to get in touch with your local law

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<v Speaker 3>enforcement agency and say, hey, will you do this for me.

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<v Speaker 3>Otherwise about the only way you can do it is

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<v Speaker 3>to take it into a gun store as a potential trade,

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<v Speaker 3>and quite frankly, the gun store kind of has to

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<v Speaker 3>take the risk at that point. There is no real

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<v Speaker 3>mechanism for a private individual or a gun store even

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<v Speaker 3>to check the legitimacy of a gun. The only way

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<v Speaker 3>you can do that is through law enforcement. I'm really

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<v Speaker 3>glad you brought this up, because this is an issue

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<v Speaker 3>we brought up. I say we, the sheriffs of Colorado

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<v Speaker 3>brought up.

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<v Speaker 1>Is.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, this is maybe an area where, you know, if

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<v Speaker 3>you wanted to create a gun law that might be

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<v Speaker 3>helpful to citizens. It's something along these lines, give citizens

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<v Speaker 3>away or give gun stores away that they could check

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<v Speaker 3>the legitimacy of a gun before they buy it or

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<v Speaker 3>you know, before they're in that process. But clearly it's

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<v Speaker 3>kind of jurisdiction by jurisdiction. So I hope that answers

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I mean Wolkeville, and I'd have to cost some

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<v Speaker 3>And so hey, the drawbridge it comes down, come across.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, we'll take you right. Thank you, Andrew, thanks

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<v Speaker 3>I appreciate it. We got another caller on the line.

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<v Speaker 3>This is Zane from Pueblo. Zaane, you got a question

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I've got a concealed lessons for bit for like

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<v Speaker 6>I don't know, maybe fifteen sixteen years now. It's it's

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<v Speaker 6>when I renew that, as long as I don't buy

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<v Speaker 3>No, this bill is completely independent Center Bill twenty five

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<v Speaker 3>DESH three is completely independent of the conceal handgun permitting process.

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<v Speaker 3>So if you're in Pueblo and you've got your concealed

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<v Speaker 3>handgun permit and you want to go renew it on

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<v Speaker 3>the date in question, you can still do that. There's

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<v Speaker 3>no problem there. There was a bill that was passed

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<v Speaker 3>last year though, that says if you miss your renewal date,

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<v Speaker 3>then you have to go take a updated training class.

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<v Speaker 3>So don't don't miss your date. But otherwise you should

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<v Speaker 3>be good to go. As far as going out and

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<v Speaker 3>buying another firearm can still weapons permit has nothing to

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<v Speaker 3>do with that. With this new process, they're all independent

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<v Speaker 3>of one another. You start to go to the sheriff's office,

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<v Speaker 3>but for two totally different transactions, de ply up that. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>that a whole bunch of others. Hey, thanks to the

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<v Speaker 3>You bet So, we're we're discussing a little bit trying

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<v Speaker 3>to answer a few questions for those people that have

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<v Speaker 3>called in great questions so far. But again, this is

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<v Speaker 3>Steve Reams stilling in for Dan Kaplis. So you know,

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<v Speaker 3>we have a chance to kind of look at it

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<v Speaker 3>from a law enforcement perspective and say, what are the

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<v Speaker 3>ins and outs of center Bill twenty five dash zero three,

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<v Speaker 3>this atrocious gun bill that Governor Polis signed in the

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<v Speaker 3>law last Thursday. And you know, he didn't do it

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<v Speaker 3>with a lot of fanfare, which tells me he's embarrassed

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<v Speaker 3>about what he did. But the only the only thing

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<v Speaker 3>I see out of it is I think Governor Polis

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<v Speaker 3>least I have to believe that's what his intent was here,

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<v Speaker 3>because what red blooded American is going to vote for

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<v Speaker 3>this guy in a presidential who's passed one of the

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<v Speaker 3>most restrictive gun laws that we've ever seen, at least

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<v Speaker 3>in the state of Colorado, And it may take the

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<v Speaker 3>a hard break. Send it Bill twenty five to three. Really,

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<v Speaker 3>what it does is it tells you have to go

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<v Speaker 3>to a sheriff and get permission to go buy a

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<v Speaker 3>gun that has a removable, removable magazine and is semi

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<v Speaker 3>automatic in nature, and it pretty much runs the gamut.

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<v Speaker 3>There are a few exceptions for guns that would meet

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<v Speaker 3>that definition, but pretty much just think of any gun

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<v Speaker 3>What you'll be required to do now is is go

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<v Speaker 3>get a background check from some private entity, which is

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<v Speaker 3>a whole nother level of stupidity because as a sheriff,

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<v Speaker 3>and then bring it into my offer, and then we

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<v Speaker 3>turn around and say, yeah, you're good. You can go

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<v Speaker 3>take this class and then you'll get registered to take

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<v Speaker 3>an opportunity to go buy a gun. We're going to

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<v Speaker 3>a hard break. When we come back, we're going to

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<v Speaker 3>have Jarvis Caldwell on the line to talk to us

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<v Speaker 3>about House Bill thirteen twelve. You listening to the Dan

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<v Speaker 2>Point thirty K.

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<v Speaker 4>You're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast.

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<v Speaker 3>You're back with the Dankplas show. You got Steve raims

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<v Speaker 3>Well Kuny Sheriff sitting in today while Dan's off handling

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<v Speaker 3>some really important business. I'm sure probably suing the behind

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<v Speaker 3>have a state rep on mister Jarvis Caldwell from HD twenty.

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<v Speaker 3>He recently made a little bit of a dust up

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<v Speaker 3>a House bill that's going through down there right now

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<v Speaker 3>that I can't even begin to describe. So we'll let

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<v Speaker 3>him do that. That's House Bill thirteen twelve. But on

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<v Speaker 2>How you doing heany?

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<v Speaker 7>Steve, thanks so much for having me and I appreciate

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<v Speaker 2>Well you picked that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So I can't think of anything more appropriate than

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<v Speaker 3>right now, because there's a whole lot of smoke and

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<v Speaker 3>mirrors going on, I'm certain, But tell us a little

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<v Speaker 3>bit about the dust up you had and kind of

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<v Speaker 3>what has that turned into. I know you've done some

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<v Speaker 3>just tell the listeners kind of what you ran into.

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<v Speaker 7>Yes, sir, So for your listeners who haven't heard yet,

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<v Speaker 7>he'se built thirteen twelve. It's a it's called legal protections

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<v Speaker 7>for transgender individuals, but it's way more than that. And

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<v Speaker 7>the bottom line of it is in legal custody disputes

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<v Speaker 7>parent who affirms the gender identity delusions of the child right,

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<v Speaker 7>and the parent who doesn't go along with that, and

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<v Speaker 7>once again help for the child is considered committing child

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<v Speaker 7>abuse and therefore loses custody. And I mean, this is

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<v Speaker 7>The Christian community has just come out incredible over the

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<v Speaker 7>last couple of weeks, and I have so many videos

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<v Speaker 7>sent to me of pastors speaking from the pulpit about

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<v Speaker 7>this and just trying to rally people together to come

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<v Speaker 7>out against this.

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<v Speaker 3>So how does a bill like this get introduced without

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<v Speaker 3>just getting attacked? And I know this is kind of

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<v Speaker 3>a setup, but how did this bill kind of fly

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<v Speaker 3>under the radar for so long?

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, So the thing is is it got introduced on

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<v Speaker 7>the House floor on March twenty eighth, which is a Friday,

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<v Speaker 7>in the evening after we already adjourned for the day,

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<v Speaker 7>unless the speaker usually stays behind and just kind of

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<v Speaker 7>does some for work introducing bills, assigning bills. So all

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<v Speaker 7>of us went home for the weekend, none of us

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<v Speaker 7>had heard about it. And then that following Monday, the

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<v Speaker 7>Chairman Javier Maybray kind of casually said, oh, yeah, by

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<v Speaker 7>the way, tomorrow we're going to hear this bill in committee.

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<v Speaker 7>And once we started looking up the bill, we realized

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<v Speaker 7>how bad it was. So we had less than twenty

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<v Speaker 7>four hours to prepare for this bill when we found

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<v Speaker 7>out in testimony that they'd been working on this bill

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<v Speaker 7>for over a year.

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<v Speaker 3>Of course, of course, so all right, you get into

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<v Speaker 3>a little bit of a dust up by making a

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<v Speaker 3>comment about hey, we're gonna we're going to risk federal

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<v Speaker 3>funding or something along those lines for the state of Colorado.

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<v Speaker 3>Who was that exchange with and kind of what is

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<v Speaker 3>that dovetailed into? I know, like I said, you got

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of national attention for your comments. How'd that go?

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, So something that the Republicans and I have kept

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<v Speaker 7>kind of pushing. We keep running these bills these like

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<v Speaker 7>immigration bills and these transgender bills and just anti printal

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<v Speaker 7>rights bills and gun bills, and I feel like the

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<v Speaker 7>Democrats and the legislature are doing this like specifically to

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<v Speaker 7>kind of the eye of President Trump. So we keep

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<v Speaker 7>running amendments that say, if the federal government, if this

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<v Speaker 7>risk funds, and they threatened fund this bill is automatically repealed,

459
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<v Speaker 7>and we did it with this bill, and the Democrats

460
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<v Speaker 7>have killed it every time. I almost think at this

461
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<v Speaker 7>point they want that to happen so they can play

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<v Speaker 7>victim and you know, big bad Trump.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, you know, in all fairness, I mean, I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know why the federal the federal government wouldn't look at

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<v Speaker 3>withdrawing some funds from the state of Colorado. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>there's there's a multitude of reasons, whether it's you know,

467
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<v Speaker 3>being a sanctuary state or passing stuff like this. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>I think these bills do put federal funding for the

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<v Speaker 3>state at risk. And to your point, yeah, it would

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<v Speaker 3>be it would be foolish for them to actually make

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<v Speaker 3>that happen. But then again, they're kind of the party

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<v Speaker 3>of foolishness right now.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, and it's it's even crazier than that. So the

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<v Speaker 7>Speaker of the House does introduced the bill. It's her bill,

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<v Speaker 7>it's House Bill thirteen twenty one. And I don't think

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<v Speaker 7>this is on many people's radars right now, but we're

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<v Speaker 7>we're setting aside four million dollars from our infrastructure fund,

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<v Speaker 7>specifically four potential lawsuits from the federal government if they

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<v Speaker 7>try to take funding. So we're taking from our infrastructure fund,

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<v Speaker 7>our taxpayer money, and saying that we're going to use

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<v Speaker 7>this to fight the federal government if they do threaten

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<v Speaker 7>to take funds from us. And that's a bill that

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<v Speaker 7>just came out, I think, last week, and hasn't really

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<v Speaker 7>got a lot of attention at all.

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<v Speaker 3>So what would that infrastructure fund normally be used for?

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<v Speaker 3>I think I can probably put two and two together.

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<v Speaker 3>But if it wasn't to fight back against the federal government,

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<v Speaker 3>what would that money typically get used for.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, I hope it'd be used for potholes, because I

490
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<v Speaker 7>cracked my rim zone know how many times driving back

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<v Speaker 7>and forth to Opaso County every day.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I can tell you pothole took on a whole

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<v Speaker 3>different meeting today when I was driving down the highway

494
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<v Speaker 3>and I was sitting in a big cloud of pot smoke.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, in this state, you know, our spending and

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<v Speaker 3>our efforts are definitely misguided. So while we got you

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<v Speaker 3>just for a little bit, representative called well, educate the

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<v Speaker 3>voters about the area that you represent and kind of

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<v Speaker 3>what your desire is or what your passion is down

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<v Speaker 3>there at the State House. I know you're fighting against

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<v Speaker 3>everything down there, but where do you represent and kind

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<v Speaker 3>of what's your background so people can get more involved

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<v Speaker 3>in following you and getting to know you a little better.

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<v Speaker 7>Yes, sir, So I'm northern Olpaso County. So i have

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<v Speaker 7>the Air Force Academy, which is very fitting because I'm

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<v Speaker 7>an Air Force veteran monument Palmer Lake Black Force and

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<v Speaker 7>souton Colorado. And my background is I was ten years

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<v Speaker 7>in the United States Air Force. I have a wife

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<v Speaker 7>and two kids. My wife is retired Air Force twenty

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<v Speaker 7>two and a half years. And you know, the big

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<v Speaker 7>thing I ran on was safety and security. So I

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<v Speaker 7>sit on Judiciary Committee and I hear all these horrible

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<v Speaker 7>bills that the Democrats are running. They're trying to put

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<v Speaker 7>more more criminals back out onto the streets. And while

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<v Speaker 7>we're trying to make sure we protect our community members

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<v Speaker 7>and keep the criminals off the streets. So that's a

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<v Speaker 7>big thing for me. I was in the jagquarps. I

518
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<v Speaker 7>was an enlisted paralegal and so I used to sit

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<v Speaker 7>in on court martials and you know, making sure we

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<v Speaker 7>got justice for victims. So I do have that criminal

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<v Speaker 7>justice background. But I'm also a charter school board member

522
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<v Speaker 7>and I have two kids in elementary school, so education,

523
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<v Speaker 7>school choice, parntal rights are big issues for me. And

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<v Speaker 7>this is this house built thirteen twelve. This is a

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<v Speaker 7>big parntal rights fight for me.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, you know, I feel for anybody who's having

528
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<v Speaker 3>to deal with a kid who's you know, going through

529
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<v Speaker 3>this transgender question in their mind. But to magnify it

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<v Speaker 3>with a bill that is placed before us. I can't

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<v Speaker 3>imagine a parent trying to navigate, you know, a very

532
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<v Speaker 3>complex situation with their kid, and you hope nobody has

533
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<v Speaker 3>to go through that. But if they are going through that,

534
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<v Speaker 3>to throw this fuel on the fire, it seems like

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<v Speaker 3>it's it's not in a it's nothing good, right.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah. The point I keep making is this is their ideology, right.

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<v Speaker 7>They put it in commercials, they put it in Disney movies,

538
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<v Speaker 7>they put it in our schools, and they push it

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<v Speaker 7>on our kids. This wasn't a thing twenty thirty years ago,

540
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<v Speaker 7>but they push it on our kids. And then they say,

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<v Speaker 7>if we're not okay with it and we don't go

542
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<v Speaker 7>along with it, then we were losing custody of our

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<v Speaker 7>kids and we're committing child abuse. And I'm not okay

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<v Speaker 7>with that, and I think most color Reddins aren't either.

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<v Speaker 3>So in the testimony for this bill, what's been the

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<v Speaker 3>balance is it? You know, has it been overwhelmingly supportive

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<v Speaker 3>of the bill? Negative of the bill? Like, what are

548
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<v Speaker 3>you saying from the public. I mean, I think this

549
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<v Speaker 3>is getting a lot of traction, But are people showing up?

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<v Speaker 3>And what does the testimony look like?

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, So we had two hundred and twenty witnesses for

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<v Speaker 7>this bill when it went through House Judiciary Committee, and

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<v Speaker 7>about half of that was people in opposition. And remember

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<v Speaker 7>that was less than twenty four hours of notice.

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<v Speaker 5>Wow.

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<v Speaker 7>And so I think when they finally assign it to

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<v Speaker 7>a CINIC committee, it's going to be gigantic. I mean,

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<v Speaker 7>I'm I'm hoping we break a record, the biggest I've

559
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<v Speaker 7>ever seen for a committee was like six hundred and

560
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<v Speaker 7>fifty for a gun bill. I think that was SP three.

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<v Speaker 7>I think we'll get a thousand people that show up

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<v Speaker 7>to testify against this bill. And I think they haven't

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<v Speaker 7>assigned it yet to a Senate committee because they realize

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<v Speaker 7>the national backlash. And Loreina Garcia, the sponsor of this

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<v Speaker 7>in the House, she posted over the weekend on her

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<v Speaker 7>blue Sky account, which is like the liberal Twitter that

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<v Speaker 7>the main she called it, mainstream LGBT groups are trying

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<v Speaker 7>to kill this bill behind the scenes, which is the

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<v Speaker 7>first I've heard of it. But I think even their

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<v Speaker 7>side of the aisle realizes the backlash.

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<v Speaker 2>The still, yeah, it's just so unpopular.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, Representative cauld Well, we really appreciate you coming on

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<v Speaker 3>with us, and quite frankly, we'd love for you to

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<v Speaker 3>keep in touch and kind of let us know where

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<v Speaker 3>this bill travels when it does hit the Senate and

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<v Speaker 3>it's time to get the word out there. I'm sure

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<v Speaker 3>Dan or Ryan, we'll be happy to get you back

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<v Speaker 3>on so you can draw attention to the bill. And again,

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<v Speaker 3>thanks for being on the show and thanks for educating us.

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<v Speaker 7>Yes, sir, thank you for having me very much.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, you listening to the Dankapleas Show. You got

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<v Speaker 3>Sheriff Steve Reims setting in for the day. We're going

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<v Speaker 3>to cut to a break and I want to come back.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll take a few more phone calls about Senate Bill

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<v Speaker 3>twenty five Dash three.

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<v Speaker 4>And now back to the Dan Tapless Show podcast.

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<v Speaker 3>Welcome back to the Dan Capleas Show. You got Steve

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<v Speaker 3>Reams setting in for the day. But I want to

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<v Speaker 3>get right to this. We've got a guest on the line.

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<v Speaker 3>This is a short segment, so I want to make

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<v Speaker 3>sure we can cover as much ground as possible. We

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<v Speaker 3>have Ian Escalante with the Rocky Mountain Gun owners. Ian,

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<v Speaker 3>Welcome to the show.

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<v Speaker 5>Hey, Sheriff Reams, thank you so much for having me on.

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<v Speaker 5>Can you hear me? Okay?

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<v Speaker 2>I can hear you? Great, I so can the listeners. Hey.

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<v Speaker 3>I wanted to have you on the show because we've

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<v Speaker 3>we've been talking a lot about Senate Bill three and

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<v Speaker 3>I know I'm getting asked a ton of questions about, Hey,

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<v Speaker 3>what are the sheriffs going to do? Can you stand

601
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<v Speaker 3>up against this? And I'm sure you're getting asked a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of those same questions about what's Rocky Mountain Gun

603
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<v Speaker 3>owners going to do now, is there a lawsuit in

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<v Speaker 3>the works. Where are you guys out on this now?

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<v Speaker 7>Sure?

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<v Speaker 5>So I want to address obviously the issue at hand,

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<v Speaker 5>which is Centate Bill three. What Jared Polas did was

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<v Speaker 5>one of the most disgraceful things in our state and

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<v Speaker 5>honestly our nation's history, by signing a opening up the

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<v Speaker 5>floodgates for full scale civilian disarmament in the state of Colorado.

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<v Speaker 5>I want to be abundantly clear. They're trying to say, Oh,

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<v Speaker 5>this is just training, Oh this is just a way

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<v Speaker 5>to make sure we're getting guns in the right hand.

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<v Speaker 5>This is opening the door for civilian disarmament. We've seen

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<v Speaker 5>it in Illinois, it's happening in Washington right now, and

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<v Speaker 5>it's about to start happening here. What RMGO is planning

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<v Speaker 5>to do is, we have a couple of things in mind.

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<v Speaker 5>First things first, we're going to be start right now

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<v Speaker 5>working overtime to recruit candidates and get people trained up

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<v Speaker 5>so they can run for office in twenty twenty six,

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<v Speaker 5>and ensure that accountability comes to the Democrats who voted

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<v Speaker 5>for this piece of legislation. We cannot let them get

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<v Speaker 5>away with this.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm Glad you said piece of legislation and not what

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<v Speaker 3>I was thinking, So keep going exactly.

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<v Speaker 5>The next thing is, we have a team of some

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<v Speaker 5>of the best Second Amendment attorneys and legal experts in

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<v Speaker 5>the nation. We're sitting down right now and formulating a

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<v Speaker 5>legal strategy on how we're going to combat this. Sure,

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<v Speaker 5>it's a little bit more difficult to beat in court

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<v Speaker 5>than an outright ban, not because it's any less unconstitutional,

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<v Speaker 5>but because when you have the liberal judges in the

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<v Speaker 5>Tenth Circuit, many of whom were appointed by Barack Obama

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<v Speaker 5>and Joe Biden, they are looking for any excuse to

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<v Speaker 5>dismiss this a case against gun control and try to

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<v Speaker 5>create new precedent. That's their strategy against the Brewing decision

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<v Speaker 5>now is they just want to override it with new precedent.

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<v Speaker 5>So hopefully ten year, ten to fifteen years down the road,

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<v Speaker 5>when the Supreme Court is not as conservative as it

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<v Speaker 5>is today, they then can overturn Brewin and fully have

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<v Speaker 5>the Supreme Court a staffablish that this garbage is constitutional.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I couldn't agree with you more. You know, one

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<v Speaker 3>of the things I've seen in the bill is how

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<v Speaker 3>open ended it is. I mean, it doesn't even put

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<v Speaker 3>time restrictions on how long a sheriff has to issue

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<v Speaker 3>these cards. You know, there's a bunch of questions about

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<v Speaker 3>when you take the class, how soon do you have

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<v Speaker 3>to come in and are after your issued a card,

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<v Speaker 3>how soon do you have to go take the class.

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<v Speaker 3>There's just a whole bunch of open ended stuff here

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<v Speaker 3>that you know, I guess if you're going to attack

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<v Speaker 3>the bill, that's that's the way to start is just

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<v Speaker 3>by how you know, how poorly written it is.

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<v Speaker 5>Absolutely and I mean, we see this happening in Los

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<v Speaker 5>Angeles County right now, where they set up this new

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<v Speaker 5>permanent system for concealed carrier licenses, and now people are

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<v Speaker 5>waiting two years to obtain their government permission slip to

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<v Speaker 5>quote unquote allow them to exercise their god given rights

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<v Speaker 5>twenty four months, and the state of Illinois their firearm

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<v Speaker 5>Owner's ID card is taking sometimes eighteen months for people

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<v Speaker 5>to get their applications proved process and then to actually

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<v Speaker 5>obtain their permit to purchase and possess, which is that's

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<v Speaker 5>where we're headed. We're headed towards firearm uner ID card.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't disagree with you, but one of the challenges,

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<v Speaker 3>as you've probably you're probably well aware. This thing doesn't

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<v Speaker 3>go into effect until August first of twenty twenty six,

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<v Speaker 3>so creating standing is a challenge. And also there's there's

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<v Speaker 3>been no discussion about what fees are going to be

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<v Speaker 3>around this, and we know fees are just a tax,

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<v Speaker 3>but you know, the state's going to set a fee

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<v Speaker 3>for what it costs you to apply for this permit,

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<v Speaker 3>and then sheriffs on top of that are probably going

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<v Speaker 3>to add some fees to cover the cost of administering

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<v Speaker 3>this program. I mean, this could get pretty exorbitant. And

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<v Speaker 3>there's no cap. I mean, it doesn't say where it stops.

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<v Speaker 5>No, and it doesn't that's the point. I mean what

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<v Speaker 5>I said, I said this the day the bill was signed.

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<v Speaker 5>I said, Senate Bill three is a minute straight of

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<v Speaker 5>ban disuise as a permit to purchase system. That's what

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<v Speaker 5>it is. They can't paign the guns outright, but they

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<v Speaker 5>can they can just not issue you your license or

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<v Speaker 5>make it to where you can't even take a class.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, just slow, that's.

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<v Speaker 5>What they're trying to do.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I said earlier in the show, I've I've read

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of bad bills, but this one probably takes

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<v Speaker 3>the cake. I mean, whoever wrote it, which whichever version

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<v Speaker 3>you want to look at, they it was almost like

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<v Speaker 3>it was their first attempt at writing law. And maybe

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<v Speaker 3>that helps in a in a lawsuit against this thing.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, I can tell you this that what they did

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<v Speaker 5>is that if they were looking for a most terrible,

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<v Speaker 5>uncontrolled bill with so many moving parts and a severability clause,

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<v Speaker 5>that it's harder to just take the bill down in

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<v Speaker 5>one fell swoop. Whoever wrote this bill deserves a raise

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<v Speaker 5>because they did a darn good job of doing it.

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<v Speaker 5>But that's not going to stop us. We're going to

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<v Speaker 5>keep fighting it. The other thing we're doing is it's

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<v Speaker 5>been a deliberate effort to come out and turn Colorado

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<v Speaker 5>into ground zero for radical gun control. We've had over

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<v Speaker 5>thirty gun control bills filed in the last three years alone,

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<v Speaker 5>and that is why we are actually armed you as

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<v Speaker 5>a petition to Attorney General Pam Bondi, and we're going

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<v Speaker 5>to put pressure on her and we're going to urge

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<v Speaker 5>her to step in here and say, listen, something has

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<v Speaker 5>to be done.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, Ian, I appreciate the efforts that you and the

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<v Speaker 3>Rocky Mountain gun owners are providing in this effort. We

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<v Speaker 3>got to get rid of this thing. It's bad legislation

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<v Speaker 3>all the way around. But I think everybody needs to

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<v Speaker 3>know this is going to be a long road, so

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<v Speaker 3>don't walk away from it. Keep supporting the guys that

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<v Speaker 3>are fighting the fight. And Ian, thanks for being on

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<v Speaker 3>with us. We really appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 5>Thank you, Cherff.

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<v Speaker 2>I have a good one, all right.

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<v Speaker 3>You're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show. When we come

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<v Speaker 3>back after break, we're gonna have a few callers and

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<v Speaker 3>some text message to get to about Senatebille twenty five

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<v Speaker 3>dash three. Thanks for listening with us again, Dan Kaplas

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