Speaker 1: All right, let's dive in. Today. We're taking a deep
Speaker 1: dive into mobile app security.
Speaker 2: Ooh sounds interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, specifically for Android and iOS devices. You know, keeping
Speaker 1: all that sensitive info on our phone.
Speaker 2: Safe very important these days, right, And I've.
Speaker 1: Been looking through these guides and technical documents. We have, oh.
Speaker 2: Wow, some serious stuff it is.
Speaker 1: I even came across a security testing tool called drozer
Speaker 1: for Android.
Speaker 2: Drozer.
Speaker 1: Yeah sounds pretty intense, right, it.
Speaker 2: Does definitely need an expert to break all that down.
Speaker 1: Well, that's why you're here. So from this mountain of info,
Speaker 1: what's the biggest thing our listeners should know about mobile
Speaker 1: app security? Hmmmm?
Speaker 2: The biggest thing, Well, I'd say it's that security isn't
Speaker 2: just a one time thing.
Speaker 1: Okay, not a set it and forget it kind of
Speaker 1: deal exactly.
Speaker 2: It's more like building a house, you know. I like
Speaker 2: that you need a strong foundation, and then you got
Speaker 2: to keep building those walls making sure everything inside is protected.
Speaker 1: So like, what are the foundation and walls when it
Speaker 1: comes to.
Speaker 2: Our phones, Well, the operating systems Android iOS, those are
Speaker 2: your foundation, makes sense.
Speaker 1: They have built in security features. But then you need
Speaker 1: strong walls, like strong passwords being careful about which apps
Speaker 1: get what permissions right.
Speaker 2: Those permissions can be tricky.
Speaker 1: And understanding how apps use your data that's important too.
Speaker 2: It's easy to forget our phones are mini computers packed
Speaker 2: with sensitive information exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's why knowing the strengths and weaknesses of
Speaker 1: each platform is crucial. So let's start with Android. Android
Speaker 1: it's open source nature. It's great for customization.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can really personalize it.
Speaker 1: But that flexibility well, can also create vulnerabilities.
Speaker 2: So it's like hmm, having a house with lots of
Speaker 2: doors and windows, more ways to come and go, but
Speaker 2: also more entry points for trouble.
Speaker 1: That's a good way to visualize it. Take rooting for example.
Speaker 1: Rooting it gives you complete control of your Android device.
Speaker 1: Sounds powerful it is, but it also removes safety barriers
Speaker 1: that protect against malicious apps.
Speaker 2: So even though Android has sandboxing to isolate apps, rooting
Speaker 2: bypasses that exactly.
Speaker 1: It's a trade off. And then there's how Android apps
Speaker 1: talk to each other.
Speaker 2: They talk to each other, yeah, through something called interprocess
Speaker 2: communication or IPC.
Speaker 1: IPC like a secret language. You could say that they
Speaker 1: use it to share data and resources. But if it's
Speaker 1: not implemented correctly, well, it creates vulnerabilities hackers can exploit.
Speaker 2: Wow, I had no idea. So how do Android developers
Speaker 2: make sure their apps are secure with all these potential risks?
Speaker 1: Security testing is key. There are tools like Drozer.
Speaker 2: Ah, Drozer are intense friend right.
Speaker 1: It simulates attacks to find vulnerabilities before the bad guys
Speaker 1: can exploit them.
Speaker 2: So Drozer is like a security guard patrolling the app
Speaker 2: for weak points. What kind of things does it find?
Speaker 1: All sorts of things like insecure data storage?
Speaker 2: In secure data storage.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like if an app is storing passwords and plaintext,
Speaker 1: that's a huge red flag.
Speaker 2: Makes sense, like leaving your house keys under the mat.
Speaker 1: Exactly and beyond Rozer. Understanding Android pro missions is vitle.
Speaker 2: Right those pop ups asking if an app can access
Speaker 2: your camera or location?
Speaker 1: Yes, but just because an app asks doesn't mean you
Speaker 1: have to say yes.
Speaker 2: Good point. Always think does this app really need this access?
Speaker 1: Like does a flashlight app need access to my contacts?
Speaker 2: Probably not exactly, be mindful. So we've talked about Android's
Speaker 2: potential issues, but what about iOS? Apples known for its security, right, absolutely,
Speaker 2: iOS takes a much more locked down approach, very controlled.
Speaker 1: So fewer doors and Windows tougher security checks.
Speaker 2: Exactly. Apple vets apps before they're allowed in the App Store.
Speaker 2: They use code signing. Code sign it ensures the app
Speaker 2: hasn't been tampered with. Plus they have strict sandboxing to
Speaker 2: limit what apps can access.
Speaker 1: So Apple's like a super strict bouncer at a club.
Speaker 2: Huh haha. That's one way to put it. But even
Speaker 2: with these safeguards, no system is perfect, right.
Speaker 1: There are always ways around things.
Speaker 2: Like jail braking.
Speaker 1: Jail braking I've heard of that.
Speaker 2: It's like rooting on Android. Remove restrictions but also increases risk.
Speaker 1: So you're picking the lock on that high security building,
Speaker 1: gaining freedom, but also compromising the system exactly.
Speaker 2: And developers they need to be just as careful about
Speaker 2: security on iOS as they are an Android.
Speaker 1: So no matter the platform, there are common security slip ups,
Speaker 1: even for well meaning developers.
Speaker 2: Definitely. One big one is improper platform usage.
Speaker 1: Improper platform usage, Yeah.
Speaker 2: It could be misusing platform features or failing to do
Speaker 2: things like certificate validation when talking to servers.
Speaker 1: Certificate validation was that it's like.
Speaker 2: Checking someone's ID before you let them in your house.
Speaker 2: When an app connects to a server, it should verify
Speaker 2: that server's digital certificate to.
Speaker 1: Make sure it's legit and not some imposter trying to
Speaker 1: steal data exactly.
Speaker 2: And another common issue is insecure authentication and authorization.
Speaker 1: So weak passwords or leaky user sessions.
Speaker 2: Yeah, developers need to build strong log in systems and
Speaker 2: make sure user data is left vulnerable absolutely.
Speaker 1: And then there's well just plain old bad code.
Speaker 2: Ah. Yes, code quality is crucial. Poorly written code can
Speaker 2: lead to reverse engineering.
Speaker 1: Reverse engineering like taking part a clock to see how.
Speaker 2: It works exactly. Hackers do this to find vulnerabilities.
Speaker 1: So they're looking for weaknesses they can exploit, like finding
Speaker 1: a flaw in a building's designed to break in.
Speaker 2: You got it. Developers need to make their code tough
Speaker 2: to reverse engineer.
Speaker 1: How do they do that?
Speaker 2: They can use obduscation, which scrambles the code, makes it
Speaker 2: hard to.
Speaker 1: Understand, like a secret code.
Speaker 2: And this brings us back to static and dynamic analysis.
Speaker 2: In security testing, developers need to examine their code a
Speaker 2: and d observe how the app behaves in a safe environment.
Speaker 1: So checking the blueprints, andy doing a test.
Speaker 2: Run precisely, you got to catch those vulnerabilities from all angles.
Speaker 1: Wow, mobile app security is more complex than I thought.
Speaker 1: What surprised you the most while going through all this material?
Speaker 2: You know, what really stood out to me was the
Speaker 2: complexity of iOS data protection.
Speaker 1: iOS data protection, Yeah.
Speaker 2: It's not just about encryption. It's about different layers of
Speaker 2: protection for different types of data, even if your device
Speaker 2: gets lost, So like.
Speaker 1: Having multiple locks on different rooms in your house, depending
Speaker 1: on how valuable the stuff inside is exactly.
Speaker 2: Apple really put a lot of thought into that.
Speaker 1: It's impressive, it is. So with everything we've learned, what's
Speaker 1: one thing our listeners should do right now to improve
Speaker 1: their security?
Speaker 2: Hmm, I'd say go check the permissions you've given your apps.
Speaker 2: Are those apps actually using those permissions or are they
Speaker 2: just sitting there potentially exploitable.
Speaker 1: That's a great point. I'm definitely gonna be checking mine
Speaker 1: after this.
Speaker 2: You should. It's easy to just tap allow without thinking,
Speaker 2: but those permissions are powerful.
Speaker 1: So we've covered Android permissions, iOS data protection, But there's
Speaker 1: one big topic we haven't really explored. Jail breaking and rooting.
Speaker 2: Yes, the realm, where users take full control for better
Speaker 2: or worse.
Speaker 1: That sounds like a whole other deep dive, potentially a
Speaker 1: dangerous one.
Speaker 2: It definitely deserves its own conversation.
Speaker 1: Sounds like we'll be back for part two.
Speaker 2: Then I'd say that's a safe bet.
Speaker 1: Until end listeners stay secure.
Speaker 2: Welcome back to the deep dive. Last time, we were
Speaker 2: talking about the basics of mobile app security, you know,
Speaker 2: exploring the ins and outs of Android and iOS.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we got pretty deep into the foundations.
Speaker 2: We did, but we looking off on that cliffhanger jail
Speaker 2: breaking and routing.
Speaker 1: Ah, yes, where users kind of break free from those
Speaker 1: Apple and Google restrictions. Yeah right, And I got admit,
Speaker 1: I'm a little confused. It seems like wanting more control
Speaker 1: but also maybe making your device less secure.
Speaker 2: It is a trade off, that's for sure. So first
Speaker 2: things first, what do those processes even mean?
Speaker 1: Okay, back to basics.
Speaker 2: Jail breaking on iOS and rooting on Android. They both
Speaker 2: involve well, exploiting vulnerabilities in the operating system.
Speaker 1: Exploiting vulnerabilities sounds a bit risky. To gain root access,
Speaker 1: rude access. Okay, that sounds powerful but also kind of scary.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the highest level of privilege you can have
Speaker 2: on your device. Think of it like having the master
Speaker 2: key that unlocks every single door in a building.
Speaker 1: Whoa, Okay, now I get the power part right.
Speaker 2: So what can you actually de with that power?
Speaker 1: Yeah? What's the point?
Speaker 2: Well, you can bypass app store restrictions install apps from anywhere.
Speaker 1: You want, so no more Apple or Google saying what
Speaker 1: I can and can't download exactly.
Speaker 2: You can customize the look and feel of your device
Speaker 2: way more.
Speaker 1: Ooh, I like customization, and.
Speaker 2: You can even tweak how the system itself works, like
Speaker 2: battery management or network settings.
Speaker 1: So you're basically taking off the training wheels and saying
Speaker 1: I'm in control now. Uh huh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good way to put it. But remember
Speaker 2: taking off those training wheels also removes some of the safety.
Speaker 1: Measures, right the trade off? So what are the risks
Speaker 1: like specifically.
Speaker 2: Well, one big one is malware. You're opening yourself up
Speaker 2: to apps from well less reputable sources, makes sense.
Speaker 1: If you're not getting apps from the official stores, who
Speaker 1: knows what you're downloading.
Speaker 2: Right, and those apps might not have gone through any
Speaker 2: security checks. You could end up with anything from annoying
Speaker 2: adwear to nasty spyware stealing your data.
Speaker 1: Yikes. Okay, that's definitely a.
Speaker 2: Risk, and jail breaking or rooting can also make your
Speaker 2: device more vulnerable to data breaches. Remember all those security
Speaker 2: mechanisms we talked about before, sandboxing, code signing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, those sounded pretty important.
Speaker 2: Well, those safeguards are basically weakened, sometimes even totally bypassed
Speaker 2: when you have root access.
Speaker 1: So it's like a disabling the alarm system on your house. Yeah,
Speaker 1: makes things easier, but also leaves you wide open to burglars.
Speaker 2: Exactly. An attacker if they get root access, they can
Speaker 2: potentially see everything on your device, passwords, financial info, photos,
Speaker 2: the whole shebang.
Speaker 1: Okay, I am officially rethinking those jail break your iPhone
Speaker 1: videos I've seen online.
Speaker 2: Aha, good call, But to be fair, some people do
Speaker 2: jail break or root their phones for privacy reasons.
Speaker 1: Oh really, how does that work?
Speaker 2: There are some privacy focused apps and tweaks you can
Speaker 2: only get on a jail broken or rooted device.
Speaker 1: So like blocking trackers or having more control over those
Speaker 1: app permissions we talked.
Speaker 2: About, exactly, it's like building a higher fence around your
Speaker 2: property to keep those prying eyes out.
Speaker 1: Okay, I see the appeal, but those fences can have
Speaker 1: weak spots, right, given all those other risks, you got it.
Speaker 2: It's all about weighing the benefits against the risks. And
Speaker 2: if you do decide to go down that road, you
Speaker 2: got to be extra vigilant about security.
Speaker 1: Okay, good advice. So let's say someone's already jail broken
Speaker 1: or rooted their device. What can they do to stay safe?
Speaker 2: Well, first and foremost, be super careful about the apps
Speaker 2: you install. Stick to trusted developers and sources.
Speaker 1: So do your research, read reviews, that sort.
Speaker 2: Of thing, exactly. Remember, an app can look harmless but
Speaker 2: actually be full of malicious code.
Speaker 1: So it's like being careful about what you eat from
Speaker 1: a street vendor. You want to go to the one
Speaker 1: with a good reputation, not the one that might give
Speaker 1: you food poisoning.
Speaker 2: Perfect analogy. And just like you wouldn't eat expired food,
Speaker 2: keep your device and all your apps up to date
Speaker 2: with the latest security patches.
Speaker 1: Even if I'm being careful about what I install, new
Speaker 1: vulnerabilities pop up all the time.
Speaker 2: All the time. Those patches are like fixing those weak
Speaker 2: spots in your fence as soon as they appear.
Speaker 1: Okay, So it's not just a one time thing, it's
Speaker 1: an ongoing process exactly.
Speaker 2: And of course, strong unique passwords are crucial especially on
Speaker 2: a jail broken or rooted device, and turn on two
Speaker 2: factor authentication everywhere you can.
Speaker 1: Two factor authentication. That's why they send you a code
Speaker 1: to your phone or email.
Speaker 2: Right, yep, adds an extra layer of security it And.
Speaker 1: What about those app permissions?
Speaker 2: Still super important? Be picky about what you allow. Remember
Speaker 2: you're giving those apps keys to your house. Don't give
Speaker 2: keys to someone you don't trust.
Speaker 1: Good point. Even with apps ideo trust I should limit
Speaker 1: their access to only what they absolutely need.
Speaker 2: Right. The less access they have, the less damage they
Speaker 2: can do if something goes wrong.
Speaker 1: Okay, this is all making a lot more sense now,
Speaker 1: But we've talked a lot about apps, operating systems all that.
Speaker 1: What about the network itself? Our phones are always connecting
Speaker 1: to something.
Speaker 2: Ah, yes, the network. Secure network communication is super important,
Speaker 2: especially when you're using public Wi Fi or sending sensitive
Speaker 2: information because.
Speaker 1: Public Wi Fi is like having a conversation in a
Speaker 1: crowded room.
Speaker 2: Anyone could be listening exactly, So how do we make
Speaker 2: sure those conversations stay private? Well, that's where HDTPS comes in.
Speaker 1: HTTPS. I've seen that little s at the end of
Speaker 1: website addresses, But what does it actually do?
Speaker 2: It encrypts. The data that's being sent between your device
Speaker 2: and the website server encrypts.
Speaker 1: So like making it unreadable to anyone who's trying to snoop.
Speaker 2: Precisely, it's like sending a secret message into code that
Speaker 2: only the intended recipient can decipher.
Speaker 1: Okay, that makes sense, But how do I know if
Speaker 1: a website is using HTTPS?
Speaker 2: Look for that HTTPS at the beginning of the web address,
Speaker 2: and also keep an eye out for a little padlock
Speaker 2: icon in your browser's address bar.
Speaker 1: Oh right, I've seen that padlock before. So those are
Speaker 1: like a seal of approval saying this connection is secure exactly.
Speaker 2: And when you're using apps, pay close attention to any
Speaker 2: security warnings or messages that.
Speaker 1: Pop up, because those are usually trying to tell me
Speaker 1: something important, like if an app is trying to connect
Speaker 1: to a shady server.
Speaker 2: You got it. It's always better to be safe than sorry.
Speaker 2: Avoid sending sensitive info over unsecured connections whenever possible.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm definitely going to be more mindful of HTTPS
Speaker 1: and those warnings from now on. Good.
Speaker 2: It's all about those little things adding up to a
Speaker 2: more secure experience.
Speaker 1: Definitely. This whole deep dive has really been eye opening.
Speaker 1: There are so many layers to security there are.
Speaker 2: It's not just one thing. It's about understanding all the
Speaker 2: different pieces and how they work together to keep your data.
Speaker 1: Safe, secure, communication, operating systems, apps, user behavior, the device itself.
Speaker 1: Anything we missed hmmm, well.
Speaker 2: We touched on it briefly, but we could probably dive
Speaker 2: a little deeper into reverse engineering.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you mentioned that before. It's where someone tries
Speaker 1: to take apart an app to see how it works. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like taking apart a clock to see all the gears precisely.
Speaker 2: Now, that can be interesting for say a hobbyist, but
Speaker 2: how does it relate to security?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I'm wondering.
Speaker 2: Well. While reverse engineering can be used for legitimate purposes
Speaker 2: like understanding a competitor's product, attackers can use it to
Speaker 2: find vulnerabilities.
Speaker 1: Ah, so they're basically looking for weaknesses in the app's
Speaker 1: code that they can exploit.
Speaker 2: Exactly by understanding how the app works internally, they can
Speaker 2: find those potential points of failure, those security flaws.
Speaker 1: It sounds pretty advanced. Do attackers actually do this with
Speaker 1: mobile apps.
Speaker 2: More often than you might think. It's a common tactic
Speaker 2: for finding vulnerabilities they can use to steal data bypass security,
Speaker 2: or even take control of a device.
Speaker 1: So it's like finding the blueprint to a building and
Speaker 1: then looking for weak spots in the design that you
Speaker 1: can exploit to break in.
Speaker 2: Exactly. Once they have that blueprint, they can start looking
Speaker 2: for ways to pick the locks, disable the alarms, find
Speaker 2: other ways to get in.
Speaker 1: Okay, this is getting a little creepy. Is there anything
Speaker 1: developers can do to protect their apps from this kind
Speaker 1: of reverse engineering?
Speaker 2: Absolutely? There are a bunch of techniques they can use
Speaker 2: to make it much harder for attackers to analyze their code,
Speaker 2: like what one common one is called code obfuscation. It's
Speaker 2: basically like scrambling that blueprint, making it way harder to understand, So.
Speaker 1: It's like writing a secret message in code that only
Speaker 1: the intended recipient can understand precisely.
Speaker 2: Obfuscation makes the code super complex and difficult to read.
Speaker 2: That can deter attackers or at least slow them down
Speaker 2: a lot.
Speaker 1: So it's not impossible to reverse engineer, but it makes
Speaker 1: it a lot harder. What else can developers do well?
Speaker 2: They can use anti debugging measures. Those make it tough
Speaker 2: for attackers to use specialized tools to analyze the app's
Speaker 2: code while.
Speaker 1: It's running, So it's like setting traps in a building
Speaker 1: to catch anyone who's trying to sneak in and.
Speaker 2: Study the layout exactly. And they can also use encryption
Speaker 2: to protect sensitive parts of the code, or even employ
Speaker 2: runtime integrity checks to see if the app's been tampered with.
Speaker 1: So it's like having multiple layers of security for.
Speaker 2: Your code exactly. It's all about making the app as
Speaker 2: difficult as possible to reverse engineer, protecting users and their data.
Speaker 1: This is fascinating. It's like a constant cat and mouse
Speaker 1: game between developers trying to build secure apps and attackers
Speaker 1: trying to break them.
Speaker 2: You got it. It's an ongoing challenge. Staying ahead of
Speaker 2: the curve requires vigilance and innovation from both sides.
Speaker 1: And users have a role to play too, right.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, users need to be aware of the risks, make
Speaker 2: smart choices about the apps they install, and practice good
Speaker 2: digital hygiene, strong passwords, being careful with permissions, all that
Speaker 2: good stuff, right.
Speaker 1: Because even the most secure app can be compromised if
Speaker 1: the user isn't careful or aware of the dangers.
Speaker 2: Exactly. It's a shared responsibility between developers, security pros and users.
Speaker 1: Well said, Okay, so we've covered a ton of ground
Speaker 1: secure communication, operating systems, apps, user behavior, reverse engineering. Anything
Speaker 1: we missed, anything else our listeners should know.
Speaker 2: Hm, Well, we've talked about security testing in general, but
Speaker 2: we haven't really dug into the specifics.
Speaker 1: Oh right, the actual tools and techniques that security professionals
Speaker 1: use to find vulnerabilities.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a whole other world.
Speaker 1: The world we need to explore.
Speaker 2: It sounds like definitely worth a deep dive.
Speaker 1: Well, sounds like we'll be back for part three. Then
Speaker 1: stay tuned, listeners. Oh all right, welcome back to the
Speaker 1: deep dive. We've been through a lot, haven't we.
Speaker 2: We have android iOS, jail breaking, rooting, even how attackers
Speaker 2: try to break into apps.
Speaker 1: It's been a wild ride. But now I'm really curious
Speaker 1: about how the good guys, the security experts, actually find
Speaker 1: those vulnerabilities before the bad guys do.
Speaker 2: Ah. Yes, it's like being a detective, you know, but
Speaker 2: instead of solving crimes, we're trying to prevent them.
Speaker 1: I like that mobile ab security detectives. So what kind
Speaker 1: of tools do these detectives use? What's in their arsenal?
Speaker 2: Well, we've got a lot of different approaches, but two
Speaker 2: of the most common are static analysis and dynamic analysis.
Speaker 1: Static and dynamic those sound familiar.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we touched on them briefly in Part one, remember.
Speaker 1: Right, right, But a little refresher wouldn't hurt.
Speaker 2: Sure. Static analysis is like h examining a blueprint before
Speaker 2: you actually build a house.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm listening.
Speaker 2: We analyze the app source code without actually running it.
Speaker 2: We're looking for any weaknesses in the design, flaws that
Speaker 2: could cause problems later on.
Speaker 1: So it's like a code inspection, looking for anything that
Speaker 1: seems off or risky exactly.
Speaker 2: We're looking for things like, hmm, insecure coding practices, logical errors,
Speaker 2: you know, those kind of things that attackers could exploit.
Speaker 1: Okay, that makes sense. And dynamic analysis, how's that different?
Speaker 2: Dynamic analysis is more like observing the house after it's built,
Speaker 2: seeing how people are using it, looking for any signs
Speaker 2: of trouble.
Speaker 1: Okay, I see where you're going with this.
Speaker 2: We actually run the app in a controlled environment and
Speaker 2: monitor its behavior, looking for any suspicious activity, any signs
Speaker 2: of a security breach.
Speaker 1: So it's like stress testing the app, pushing it to
Speaker 1: its limits to see if anything breaks Haha.
Speaker 2: That's a great way to put it. We're looking for
Speaker 2: things like memory leaks, buffer overflows, vulnerabilities that might not
Speaker 2: be obvious just by looking at the code.
Speaker 1: So static is like checking the blueprints, dynamic is like
Speaker 1: watching the house in action.
Speaker 2: Exactly, and by combining both we get a much more
Speaker 2: complete picture of the apps. Security makes sense.
Speaker 1: Now are there specific tools you guys use for all this?
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, tons. Some are designed for specific platforms, some
Speaker 2: are more general purpose. You've got commercial tools, open source tools.
Speaker 2: It's a whole world.
Speaker 1: I bet can you give some examples, like what are
Speaker 1: these tools actually do?
Speaker 2: Sure? For static analysis, there are tools like Sonarcube and
Speaker 2: check marks. They scan the code for potential vulnerabilities, like.
Speaker 1: Those automated grammar checkers that find mistakes in your writing,
Speaker 1: kind of like that.
Speaker 2: They highlight things like SQL injection flaws, cross sites, scripting vulnerabilities,
Speaker 2: all those common security weaknesses.
Speaker 1: So they're like little robot code detectives sniffing out anything
Speaker 1: that looks suspicious.
Speaker 2: H huh exactly. They can analyze thousands of lines of
Speaker 2: code in minutes, finding stuff that human reviewers might miss.
Speaker 1: That's amazing. What about dynamic analysis tools? Any cool ones there.
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, for sure. We use tools like burp Suite
Speaker 2: and oas bas t they act as proxies, basically intercepting
Speaker 2: traffic between the app and the server.
Speaker 1: Intercepting traffic like spying on the app's conversations.
Speaker 2: Huhuh kinda. We can analyze that communication look for anything fishy, so.
Speaker 1: Like if the app is leaking sensitive information exactly.
Speaker 2: We can test for insecure data transmission, authentication bypasses, you know,
Speaker 2: things that happen while the app is actually running.
Speaker 1: This is fascinating. It's like you guys have all these
Speaker 1: secret weapons to catch those hit or vulnerabilities, you.
Speaker 2: Could say that. And on top of static and dynamic analysis,
Speaker 2: we also use something called penetration testing or pen testing.
Speaker 1: Penetration testing. That sounds kind of scary.
Speaker 2: It is, but it's a good kind of scary. It's
Speaker 2: basically like ethical hacking.
Speaker 1: Ethical hacking.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so like hacking for good exactly. We try to
Speaker 2: attack the app like a real attacker would, use all
Speaker 2: the tools and techniques at our disposal to see if you.
Speaker 1: Can find any weaknesses that you might have missed with
Speaker 1: the other methods.
Speaker 2: Yep. We try to exploit known vulnerabilities, find new ones
Speaker 2: really put the apps security to the test, so.
Speaker 1: It's like a real world combat simulation, seeing how well
Speaker 1: the app holds up against a real attacker exactly.
Speaker 2: It's crucial for finding and fixing those vulnerabilities before the
Speaker 2: bad guys can exploit them.
Speaker 1: It sounds like pen testing is especially important these days
Speaker 1: with all the sophisticated cyber attacks happening.
Speaker 2: It is it helps keep users safe, which is what
Speaker 2: it's all about at the end of the day.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, wow, this has been a truly incredible deep dive.
Speaker 1: I'm really impressed by all the work that goes into
Speaker 1: keeping our apps secure.
Speaker 2: It's definitely a team effort, developers, security professionals, users, we
Speaker 2: all have a part to play.
Speaker 1: Well said, and to our listeners, stay vigilant, stay informed,
Speaker 1: and stay secure out there.