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Speaker 2: What n hell?
Speaker 3: I welcome back midnight viewers to Yahucha Fest.
Speaker 1: Stay with me, HB, Yahucha Fest. I've bad it's practicing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you did it great?
Speaker 1: All right?
Speaker 3: Everybody you know it. Yeah, we're talking about the Predator here.
Speaker 3: We're talking about the Predator series.
Speaker 2: So far?
Speaker 3: What have we got? We got Predator done, Predator two done?
Speaker 3: What's next in the in the cycle? Predator two came
Speaker 3: out in nineteen ninety and then we have to wait
Speaker 3: fourteen fucking years to get Alien Versus Predator in two
Speaker 3: thousand and four. HP HPB is here with me, everybody,
Speaker 3: HP night, mister Walter's HP No, he's jenkis HP He's
Speaker 3: he's my yaoucha pal.
Speaker 1: I'm the partner in Dayu yaucha fest Or. I didn't
Speaker 1: say it right, I just killed all credibility. Yes, what
Speaker 1: can I say? What can I do for your father alone?
Speaker 3: When did you first see Alien Versus Predator? Was this
Speaker 3: your first time?
Speaker 1: This was my first time? I as I mentioned in
Speaker 1: the last episode, I did see Predator two in the movies,
Speaker 1: but I think a combination of factors kind of left
Speaker 1: me lukewarm on this one. I it was fourteen years
Speaker 1: or so later, or what have you. I wasn't all
Speaker 1: that enthused about the director that we'll discuss momentarily, and honestly,
Speaker 1: it the ads and the previews didn't look that interesting
Speaker 1: to me as of the time, so I just I
Speaker 1: kind of missed it. I didn't figure it was because
Speaker 1: I didn't by then. It's my understanding that the comic
Speaker 1: book picked up a lot of slack for Predator in
Speaker 1: culturally speaking, Am I correct on that.
Speaker 3: You're talking about Alien Versus Predator? The comic books?
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Mark Verheiden book.
Speaker 3: Yes, the Extended Universe where we got Alien Versus Predator
Speaker 3: in comic form, which was almost immediately following Predator two.
Speaker 3: That story was set in the Alien universe, so it
Speaker 3: took place on an outpost and in the future basically,
Speaker 3: so it was contemporaryd Then now, interestingly, here's what happened.
Speaker 3: Predator two comes out, and now, thanks to Stephen Hopkins
Speaker 3: very wisely saying this would look cool and sticking an
Speaker 3: alien skull on Predatorship, everyone thought, oh my god, these
Speaker 3: things exist in the same universe. We could do something
Speaker 3: with that, including newly installed twentieth century fox head Joe Roth,
Speaker 3: who evidently had said we need an Alien Versus Predator film,
Speaker 3: when two days later a spec script showed up on
Speaker 3: his desk from an author named Peter Briggs, who would
Speaker 3: eventually write the hell Boy movie, who just wrote it
Speaker 3: as a spec script to get rewrite work. And it's
Speaker 3: effectively an adaptation of the Verheiden comic. So for the
Speaker 3: entirety of the nineties, Alien Versus Predator was in play
Speaker 3: and going to take place on an outpost on another
Speaker 3: planet where predators are seeding the planet with alien eggs
Speaker 3: so that they can hunt, which is a pretty cool idea.
Speaker 3: But then it's basically the comic book, because Briggs pretty
Speaker 3: liberally borrowed, let's say, from the comic book.
Speaker 1: Do you read the books in their day?
Speaker 3: I read some of them, But then at that time
Speaker 3: the Predator wasn't my thing, so I wasn't as interested
Speaker 3: in the Predator as I was the Zeno morph Aliens.
Speaker 1: Sure that makes sense. There was an arcade game. I
Speaker 1: think it must have predated this the movie, don't you
Speaker 1: remember we I think we actually played it somewhat in
Speaker 1: high school. It was a Alien Versus Predator video game
Speaker 1: where I think you could play as either the Colonial
Speaker 1: Marine or the or the Yaucha and it was basically
Speaker 1: just a run and gun, let's kill the Xeno morphs
Speaker 1: before they kill us. Do you remember that?
Speaker 3: I have no recollection of this.
Speaker 1: No, okay, well, if you you should look that up.
Speaker 1: It was a pretty cool You remember the Alien game, though,
Speaker 1: I know we played the Alien Game.
Speaker 3: I remember the Alien Game. I remember the Smart Gun.
Speaker 1: It was very similar to that, except it had you
Speaker 1: could play as the predator effectively.
Speaker 3: What was that stupid jungle game? That these are all
Speaker 3: sort of modeled on.
Speaker 1: The Jungle King?
Speaker 3: No, that it was a game with two soldiers Contra, right,
Speaker 3: these were all based on Contra.
Speaker 1: Really sure, Yeah, it's just stupid. That's interesting you consider
Speaker 1: it like a jungle game. I guess it's true. You
Speaker 1: are in the rainforest or something, but I think there
Speaker 1: was a lot of like sci fi elements to that too, which.
Speaker 3: There were tons of sci fi elements, but it took
Speaker 3: place in a jungle and it was called Contra, which
Speaker 3: at the time, the word Contra in my mind, just
Speaker 3: meant the Iran Contra.
Speaker 1: It was very big in the news at that point.
Speaker 1: I'll have to look it up and see if that
Speaker 1: that game predates the AVP movie. It might because the books,
Speaker 1: like you said, the comic books were in the public
Speaker 1: consciousness at that point. They weren't super popular, but they
Speaker 1: kind of kept the Predator in somebody's mind. At least
Speaker 1: they carried the water for those years, those intervening years, right.
Speaker 3: They did. Indeed until two thousand and four. Did I
Speaker 3: say that already because I'm.
Speaker 1: Oh, it was from ninety four, the arcade game.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, see yeah, yeah, I have no recollection of
Speaker 3: the game. I certainly don't recommend it, but I don't
Speaker 3: recommend I don't recall playing it with you.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Maybe that would have been after high school. That
Speaker 1: was ninety four, so I stand corrected.
Speaker 3: However, on August the thirteenth, two thousand and four, that's
Speaker 3: when Alien of Versus Predator was released.
Speaker 4: Seven days ago, one of my satellites over Antarctica discovered a.
Speaker 3: Pyramid where exactly on the ice is this?
Speaker 4: It's not on the ice, it's two thousand feet under it.
Speaker 4: Let's make history. Oh my god, I never built this pyramid.
Speaker 2: Believed in ritual sacrifice. Did you hear that? What was that.
Speaker 1: Let's go on, let's go.
Speaker 4: What did you say?
Speaker 2: This room was called it's acrificial chamber. The story is
Speaker 2: all here.
Speaker 3: This whole thing was a trap.
Speaker 2: I'm not hunting us.
Speaker 3: We're in the middle of a war. They're using us
Speaker 3: as baits.
Speaker 1: You're ugly sables.
Speaker 3: Alien Versus Predator written by Paul W. S Anderson, not
Speaker 3: Paul Thomas Anderson. You not to see he adopted the
Speaker 3: WS after Thomas Anderson hit the scene with a screen
Speaker 3: story by Paul W. S Anderson and Dan O'Bannon and
Speaker 3: Ronald Shusett. Now there's been debate online about what this
Speaker 3: particular credit means. Some people think it means that since
Speaker 3: it's based on their original screenplay, they're getting their credit there,
Speaker 3: but that's not true because they get that credit later
Speaker 3: in the movie in the final credits, the alien based
Speaker 3: on their thing. What happened here is Paul W. S
Speaker 3: Anderson evidently claimed that he spoke to them or had
Speaker 3: their ideas for a treatment, and then took some of
Speaker 3: their ideas, which is all bullshit because Peter Briggs, the
Speaker 3: guy who had written that initial Alien Versus Predator screenplay,
Speaker 3: actually approached the writers Guild and said that Paul W.
Speaker 3: S Anderson's screenplay had so many elements from Dan O'Bannon's
Speaker 3: original Alien script that they deserved credit, and the WGA
Speaker 3: agreed because in the original Alien script they land on
Speaker 3: a planet and find a giant pyramid and there's all
Speaker 3: sort of sacrificial things within and basically elements that could
Speaker 3: or could not possibly translate over to this. It is
Speaker 3: likely that Paul W. S Anderson had no idea of
Speaker 3: what was the contents of the original Starbeast screenplay. Nevertheless,
Speaker 3: Dan O'Bannon and Ronald Shoo's got paid, so that's probably
Speaker 3: the best thing that happened with this movie. But like
Speaker 3: I said, those are the writer and director. It is
Speaker 3: starring Sanah Lathan, Lance Hendrickson, You and Bremner sput everybody
Speaker 3: Tommy fl It occurred to me that Tommy Flanagan, he
Speaker 3: is the Sons of Anarchy and every badass and everything.
Speaker 3: The John Lovett's character of the liar Tommy is also
Speaker 3: Tommy Flannagain. Yeah, I mean that is that he lies
Speaker 3: about the pronunciation of his name.
Speaker 1: Well, that's a good point. He I remember him most
Speaker 1: because when I saw him in this, I said, I
Speaker 1: know that guy from somewhere. I remembered him from Gladiator
Speaker 1: because he has that very distinctive scar on his face,
Speaker 1: and I never I thought that was done just for Gladiator,
Speaker 1: But I guess he's truly scarred in real life.
Speaker 3: Evidently bottled in his youth.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, oh really wow, like a bar fight or something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I had read that might be about.
Speaker 3: Don't take me at my word, but that.
Speaker 1: Woof, I know, that's pretty badass.
Speaker 3: I think who else is in it? Who cares? Colin Salmon?
Speaker 3: He's mister Cube from the Resident Evil movie. Speaking of evil?
Speaker 3: This is written and directed by that tour Paul Anderson.
Speaker 3: He's mainly known for what Resident Evil, the Resident Evil movie,
Speaker 3: several of them, although he didn't direct all of them,
Speaker 3: he directed all the ones with his wife. Yes. He
Speaker 3: then did Event Horizon.
Speaker 1: He did Moratal Kombat, the original.
Speaker 3: Oh my god. Yeah, please name some other mediocre movies
Speaker 3: that he did hither his.
Speaker 1: Career is rife with them. He did a remake of
Speaker 1: Death Race.
Speaker 3: He did the remake of Death Race. How can you
Speaker 3: fuck up Death Race? You moron?
Speaker 1: Seriously? That's right there? What else did he do? He's
Speaker 1: done a lot of adaptations. He did an adaptation of
Speaker 1: a game called Monster Hunter.
Speaker 3: I tried to watch that. I couldn't get through it.
Speaker 1: Not good he did apparently he did a version of
Speaker 1: The Three Musketeers.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that was terrible too. It's all very frenetic
Speaker 3: and very very resident evil, but like completely out of
Speaker 3: place and too modern.
Speaker 1: Did you mention already?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 3: He directed Soldier, maybe his one like swipe at Legitimacy,
Speaker 3: but only because of a central performance by Kurt Russell.
Speaker 3: If Kurt Russell wasn't in that movie, nobody would ever
Speaker 3: mention it. I don't care how many Blade Runner spinners
Speaker 3: you throw into a garbage pile.
Speaker 1: Friend, this is true. No, I think Event Horizon was
Speaker 1: the best movie. Yeah, yeah, I was gonna say that's
Speaker 1: probably his most enduring picture. Like that's not one that's
Speaker 1: beholden to another franchise, or that's a good picture.
Speaker 3: It is, except I hate that Laurence Fishburne and Jack
Speaker 3: Nosworthy are constantly calling each other Papa Bear and baby Bear.
Speaker 3: And speaking of I hate Jack Nosworthy.
Speaker 1: What was that show that he used to have on.
Speaker 3: MTV Dead at seventeen.
Speaker 1: That's the one, remember MTV at the time was that.
Speaker 1: This was before they discovered reality television.
Speaker 3: This is like the studio system in the late sixties.
Speaker 3: They were in free fall. They did not know what
Speaker 3: to do. People are no longer watching videos. We need
Speaker 3: to make content. What do we do here?
Speaker 1: Dead at twenty one, that's funny, twenty one seventeen.
Speaker 3: I think it is dead at twenty one because dead
Speaker 3: it's seventeen might be a little harsh there. Well, because
Speaker 3: he can name a show about killing high schoolers.
Speaker 1: Well, Noseworthy in that was he was a clone or
Speaker 1: some kind of a I don't know, there was something.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, that's just way ahead of its time, man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he had to. It was a little bit like
Speaker 1: The Fugitive where he had to find some scientist or
Speaker 1: find somebody who was going to save his life.
Speaker 3: I don't it was his head or something like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it was sci fi adjacent, but it was
Speaker 1: not anyway. I agree. I co signed the Noseworthy disdaining
Speaker 1: he was in one last note on him. He was
Speaker 1: also the one of the bad guys in the original
Speaker 1: Brady Bunch movie. Do you remember that?
Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, HP, what's the story?
Speaker 1: So the story, the broad strokes of the story are
Speaker 1: that this is this exists now in the I don't
Speaker 1: know if this is still Cannon, but in this movie,
Speaker 1: it's not Whalen Utani yet, it's just Whalen Corporation. They
Speaker 1: one of their satellites detects a giant pyramid buried beneath
Speaker 1: the ice in Antarctica, and they, I guess it's Lance
Speaker 1: Hendrickson's character.
Speaker 3: Charles, Bishop of Whalen, meaning that the Whaland Corporation must
Speaker 3: be the robotics part of Whaland Utani.
Speaker 1: Right, exactly, exactly, So he puts together a team of
Speaker 1: scientists and archaeologists and to go and investigate this, this
Speaker 1: pyramid under the ice, and unbeknownst to them, this pyramid
Speaker 1: and we'll talk more about it the actual nuts and bolts,
Speaker 1: but this pyramid figures very heavily in the mytho, the
Speaker 1: Yaocha alien mythos, and things are not what they expect.
Speaker 1: People die in all sorts of horrible ways, and yeah,
Speaker 1: aliens fight predators, Predators fight aliens, and and it's one big.
Speaker 3: Mess the end, bye, everybody.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what with the tagline was whoever wins, we lose
Speaker 1: or we all.
Speaker 3: Lose, right, Yeah, we lose, which is great. Okay, I remember,
Speaker 3: like Predator to really enjoying this movie. Although not tempered,
Speaker 3: I've had problems with it from the beginning. Let's start
Speaker 3: with I don't know, let's say the setup. It's set
Speaker 3: on Earth, it's sent in a contemporary two thousand It's
Speaker 3: movie takes place inwo thousand and four. It's set in
Speaker 3: two thousand and four, so automatically you're setting up a
Speaker 3: situation where nobody knows nothing.
Speaker 1: Well, it's effectively a prequel to the very first Alien movie.
Speaker 3: Right, correct. This is a sequel to Predator two and
Speaker 3: a prequel to Alien, so we should have some knowledge
Speaker 3: of the Predators, but we don't hear in this movie
Speaker 3: because they've What they've done is oh my goodness. Okay.
Speaker 3: Charles Whalen, head of the Whalen Corporation, his satellite picks
Speaker 3: up that this pyramid exists down there and knows that
Speaker 3: other corporations are on the way, so he has to
Speaker 3: make a team. He's got to put a team together
Speaker 3: really quickly, which he does, headed by or not headed
Speaker 3: by but Sna Lathan. That's Blade's mom, everybody, I don't
Speaker 3: know why she wasn't more popular and Famous. I love her.
Speaker 1: She's great, she's fantastic.
Speaker 3: She's great. Let's talk about Sailithan. Let's talk about her
Speaker 3: character here, Alexa Woods, who you can tell this is here.
Speaker 3: Let's just get to the fucking chase here. I know
Speaker 3: I'm jumping around like crazy, but Paul ws Anderson is terrible.
Speaker 3: He's a terrible filmmaker. He does okay kind of with action,
Speaker 3: but really as a writer, he is like he is
Speaker 3: television level writing. Everyone just says subtext. Everyone just like
Speaker 3: forwards the plot. Everyone just tells you something about themselves
Speaker 3: just to endear themselves. It's all just like cookie cutter
Speaker 3: fucking nonsense, including the characterization of the lead here. You
Speaker 3: can tell he sat down and wrote, well, this is
Speaker 3: kind of like Alien, so I'm going to write Ripley.
Speaker 3: But here's the thing. So what he does is he
Speaker 3: makes her character really strident, like kind of a buzz kills.
Speaker 3: She's always like, you're doing wrong, fellows, I'm about of here.
Speaker 3: You bet it followed my rules kind of a thing, which,
Speaker 3: if you watch Alien, Ripley is an asshole for half
Speaker 3: of the movie. But so you're off kilter when it
Speaker 3: turns out that she's the hero because you think Dallas
Speaker 3: is the hero for most of that movie, right, So
Speaker 3: when it turns out that she's the hero, now we're
Speaker 3: totally on her side. And now when you've rewatched the movie,
Speaker 3: you know that everything she's saying is true. Don't open
Speaker 3: that door, don't do this thing. But the point is
Speaker 3: you get to that point where you love Ripley by
Speaker 3: the end of the movie, whereas this we never get that.
Speaker 3: But there's no switch. But this is our lead. We
Speaker 3: know she's our lead. The opening scene is her like
Speaker 3: hanging off a fucking cliff face while they come collect
Speaker 3: her for the mission.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like at the beginning of Mission Impossible too,
Speaker 1: or that Star Trek movie where Captain Kirk is freaking
Speaker 1: i'ming ol Capitan again.
Speaker 3: Just shorthand Paul hobbling shit together from other fucking movies.
Speaker 1: Yeah, as you're talking about the dialogue and the characterizations,
Speaker 1: and we haven't really talked about the actual plot, which
Speaker 1: is a whole nother thing. But because it's everything is
Speaker 1: so stilted in terms of the dialogue and how the
Speaker 1: characters are written and the direction, which I know we'll
Speaker 1: talk about too. The end result for me, Father Malone
Speaker 1: is there's never a moment where I'm not aware that
Speaker 1: I'm watching a movie. You can We talked about the
Speaker 1: first Predator, but the thing that I think about now
Speaker 1: with Predator the very first one is you're able to
Speaker 1: lose yourself in it because the filmmaking and the actual
Speaker 1: story and the characters are so engaging that you can
Speaker 1: lose yourself in the setting of the jungle in South
Speaker 1: America or what have you. But this there's never a
Speaker 1: moment that I'm not thinking to myself, I'm watching son
Speaker 1: A Latham a speech in front of these guys, or
Speaker 1: they're climbing down a rock face, and it's just it
Speaker 1: was so you want to be transported in a movie,
Speaker 1: That's the whole point. You're gonna be taken somewhere else.
Speaker 1: It may not be a fun journey, but it's gonna
Speaker 1: be memorable. But this, every step of the way, I'm
Speaker 1: fighting against the clunkiness of the story, of the direction,
Speaker 1: of the of the dialogue. Everything, it's all fighting against it.
Speaker 3: We're gonna be piling on this, but you have no
Speaker 3: idea what's in store because we haven't gotten to Alien
Speaker 3: Versus Predator Requiem, which makes this movie look like motherfucking Shakespeare.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's so I know that you had said
Speaker 1: and we're jumping around even more. But I know you
Speaker 1: said that. The idea of this pyramid that has an
Speaker 1: alien seated with aliens for the outcha to hunt, I
Speaker 1: know that derived from another source. But I gotta tell you,
Speaker 1: like I'm coming into this. I watched this over the weekend,
Speaker 1: and I'm coming into this really looking foe to seeing
Speaker 1: some alien versus predator fighting and what have you. But
Speaker 1: the plot of it is so labored to get to
Speaker 1: the point where the two factions, if you will, are
Speaker 1: actually engaged in fighting. It's exhausting, frankly, Father Malone, because
Speaker 1: it should not be. It shouldn't be difficult to get
Speaker 1: these two creatures of the silver screen to face off
Speaker 1: against each other. But like this idea that there's this pyramid,
Speaker 1: and every ten minutes the pyramid changes configuration because it's
Speaker 1: a plot. It's going over the going from the Mayan calendar,
Speaker 1: and sometimes people get separated and things where youconfigure like
Speaker 1: a Rubik's cube. And then there's this alien mother that's
Speaker 1: held captive, that is being forced to lay eggs, and
Speaker 1: it's so it's like I said, it's so, it's frankly
Speaker 1: exhausting just to get to the point where the action starts.
Speaker 3: All right, let's take it chronologically. Let's try and do this.
Speaker 3: Did you watch the theme or the unrated director's cut?
Speaker 3: You know what, I'm not sure I did your movie begin?
Speaker 1: How did it begin? It began with the satellite picking
Speaker 1: up the imaging of the of the pyramid. Then you
Speaker 1: the action shifts to Mexico where the archaeologist is there
Speaker 1: on a dig and it's a failed dig, and a
Speaker 1: whalen representative invites him to go on this mission.
Speaker 3: Okay, then I think you go watch the theatrical cut.
Speaker 1: Okay, I guess I did.
Speaker 3: Which I saw in the theater. I saw this movie
Speaker 3: in the theater. In fact, I was a projectionist when
Speaker 3: this movie played. I played this movie. So I've seen
Speaker 3: this movie quite a bit many times. Last night was
Speaker 3: the first time I watched the unrated director's cut. My
Speaker 3: movie began differently. The director's cut begins in nineteen oh
Speaker 3: four at the whaling station.
Speaker 1: And I'm sorry, that's I apologize. I forgot about that
Speaker 1: part I did.
Speaker 3: We watched it, but then we watched the same cut,
Speaker 3: perfect we're all.
Speaker 1: I forgot about that bit because it goes by so fast.
Speaker 3: That so quick, and it has no fucking purpose other
Speaker 3: than to let us know we're going to be an
Speaker 3: Antarctica and they're going to be predators and they're going
Speaker 3: to be aliens. As if we didn't show up to
Speaker 3: a mo it be called alien versus predator.
Speaker 1: Let's go right, But yeah, it does start in nineteen
Speaker 1: oh four and these the wailing Outpost is being attacked
Speaker 1: by predators and that's the start of the movie. So
Speaker 1: you're as an audience member, I guess it makes more
Speaker 1: sense than the theatrical cut because you understand that there's
Speaker 1: some history behind this area for predators, But at the
Speaker 1: same time, you're still not prepared for twisting the logical
Speaker 1: twisting into Pretzels scenario that we're dealing with.
Speaker 3: This, which with this opening it piles it on even
Speaker 3: more because he's setting it up right here because the
Speaker 3: film takes place in two thousand and four, where this
Speaker 3: is one hundred years ago, so already were setting up
Speaker 3: rule every one hundred years, the predators come to this
Speaker 3: planet and go to the one of these temples where
Speaker 3: they have rights of which kind.
Speaker 1: Of I can't say if it's a if it's a
Speaker 1: bold move, or maybe running counter to known predator lore,
Speaker 1: because in the previous two movies, we are told that
Speaker 1: the predator only hunts on it when so hot, like
Speaker 1: the temperature is a big factor, and when the predator
Speaker 1: hunts right and here we are and it's the coldest,
Speaker 1: one of the coldest regions in the globe, and now
Speaker 1: that's part of predator lore. It's a little confusing.
Speaker 3: Not only that they make no effort to update the
Speaker 3: predator's garb. They do fight the way they fight because
Speaker 3: they are in fucking humid temperature through the roof environments here.
Speaker 3: They don't even get dropped off at the temple. Here,
Speaker 3: their ship like drops three pods that land like miles
Speaker 3: from the temple. So now they have to tramp through
Speaker 3: Antarctica to this whaling station.
Speaker 1: One of a total of two cool things that I
Speaker 1: took away from this movie. One of them happens at
Speaker 1: the beginning because what we see is there's like a
Speaker 1: giant predator mothership orbiting the Earth and it actually shoots
Speaker 1: this beam directly down into into effectively creating a tunnel.
Speaker 1: A two thousand foot long tunnel from this whaling outpost
Speaker 1: down to the to the pyramid. And we know this
Speaker 1: because they talk about in the movie that the first
Speaker 1: imaging didn't have this tunnel. So you see this thing blasted.
Speaker 1: And then when they're when the expeditions, they are looking
Speaker 1: to see what's going on in this outpost, Like there's
Speaker 1: a shot where you can actually see that this beam
Speaker 1: has cut. It's like it reminded me of real genius,
Speaker 1: which they set off the laser and you can see
Speaker 1: that it's actually cut a hole through like a building,
Speaker 1: straight through like this. You can see the path that
Speaker 1: this laser took to shoot. And I thought that was
Speaker 1: kind of cool. It creates this through.
Speaker 3: A statue and through a billboard.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I thought that was the first thing that
Speaker 1: I thought was first of two things I thought was
Speaker 1: cool about this. I just thought it was a cool image.
Speaker 3: Here's what I have to say about that. Okay, what
Speaker 3: has happened here is this pyramid over the century's got
Speaker 3: covered over with ice and in the interim a whaling
Speaker 3: station a village basically it's like and it's an entire
Speaker 3: whaling village has a village has been built on top
Speaker 3: of the ice, on top of that pyramid. So when
Speaker 3: we begin in nineteen oh four, we're dealing with what
Speaker 3: must be the end of that battle between predator and alien,
Speaker 3: because it's the predator. What we think is a predator
Speaker 3: hunting a human is actually hunting an alien. The alien
Speaker 3: jumps out and he kills him. Right. So my question is,
Speaker 3: in nineteen oh four, if there wasn't that tunnel down
Speaker 3: to the pyramid, how did they get there? I don't
Speaker 3: know if they have shot, wouldn't they have bored a
Speaker 3: hole in the ice that would have remained for one
Speaker 3: hundred years. Shouldn't they have just shown up and gone,
Speaker 3: what the fuck? Why is the It was a huge
Speaker 3: hole that's perfectly cut as if by a laser.
Speaker 1: There are many logical inconsistencies, and I guess one doesn't
Speaker 1: watch a Predator movie for air tight logic. But I
Speaker 1: agree with you one hundred percent, it does that in retrospect,
Speaker 1: that makes no sense at all. Why they'd have to
Speaker 1: shoot the laser in two thousand and four, and how
Speaker 1: are they going to get down there in nineteen oh four, silly.
Speaker 3: Or eighteen oh four or seventeen oh four, like, okay,
Speaker 3: But Before we get to that moment, we have to
Speaker 3: do a putting the team together moment where we meet
Speaker 3: those archaeologists in Mexico. Who, oh my god, they've run
Speaker 3: out of funding. They're going to pull out permits hopefully.
Speaker 3: Is it not Jurassic Park?
Speaker 1: It basically is. That's exactly right, borrowing from another franchise,
Speaker 1: of course.
Speaker 3: So he puts this team together and we don't care
Speaker 3: about any of them, no matter how he strives for
Speaker 3: them to tell us some personal personal anecdote or some
Speaker 3: fact about their life for their family or whatever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because the one who was in trained Spotting they
Speaker 1: go to grew and you and Bremner like he his
Speaker 1: defining trait when you meet him in the movie is
Speaker 1: that he's taking pictures for his two young sons. So there,
Speaker 1: that's shorthand for you should really like this guy, you
Speaker 1: should want to pull for him to survive this. But
Speaker 1: in reality, there you know that he's not gonna make it.
Speaker 1: It's just it's silly.
Speaker 3: But like, oh, yeah, he's great. Here's the thing.
Speaker 1: This cast is great.
Speaker 3: Lance Henrickson, Tommy Flanagan, ew and Bremner, Snana Lathan, Like,
Speaker 3: I'm on board for this movie. I love I love
Speaker 3: the setup even whatever. Do I love the setup?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 3: I don't. You know why I don't. I'll tell you why,
Speaker 3: because once we get there, it's a huge team. It's all.
Speaker 3: Once they showed these spiky haired blonde here. I wrote
Speaker 3: it in my notes, spiky haired blonde, I wrote first
Speaker 3: to die question mark. Yes she was. Oh, I already
Speaker 3: said that. Oh I love the that's a hunter's moon.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Oh, did you know about a hunter's moon, Paul Well,
Speaker 3: I and I almost appropriate, like hunter like almost like
Speaker 3: a predator.
Speaker 1: I said that right before he said it, because I'm
Speaker 1: because I'm like, okay, it's either going to be a
Speaker 1: blood moon or a hunter's moon.
Speaker 3: And it was a hunters the hunter's moon. Oh, so
Speaker 3: fucking appropriate. So we get to the fucking whaling station.
Speaker 3: Here's okay, before we go further. My overall problem with
Speaker 3: the movie is that because he said it in two
Speaker 3: thousand and four, he has robbed any of the characters
Speaker 3: of any of the knowledge of what they've walking into,
Speaker 3: which is ridiculous because the last time we met the Predator,
Speaker 3: there was already an organization, a governmental organization, tracking them.
Speaker 3: Here where are they?
Speaker 1: That's the thing I thought when all this was going down,
Speaker 1: and just knowing the history of the whaling Utahi Corporation
Speaker 1: and aliens, I was convinced they were going to get
Speaker 1: into this pyramid and Wayland Charles Bishop Whaland was going
Speaker 1: to divulge ultimately that Hey, this is never about a
Speaker 1: pyramid or artifacts. This was us. This was about us
Speaker 1: knowing that there are these creatures called predator yaucha. This
Speaker 1: was us trying to collect one to study it, like,
Speaker 1: which would have been a kind of a bullshit plot
Speaker 1: point anyway, because they just did it in Predator too.
Speaker 3: But I or it could have been this is such
Speaker 3: a break, like we had no idea how long they
Speaker 3: had been here, Like look at this pyramid, look at
Speaker 3: these markings, look at these other things, like there are
Speaker 3: other like organisms involved now and it's a whole other ballgame.
Speaker 3: They could say any of that, but instead it's like
Speaker 3: what is going on? Everyone is just wandering around, going
Speaker 3: what's this?
Speaker 1: They're wandering through this pyramid and there are like dozens
Speaker 1: of statues of predators all over the place. There are
Speaker 1: hieroglyphics showing the alien and predators, aliens fighting the predators.
Speaker 1: The Xeno morphs. But at no point are they saying,
Speaker 1: what the hell is that that doesn't look human? Have
Speaker 1: we stumbled upon some sort of like they're convinced throughout
Speaker 1: until they actually see these alien creatures that this is
Speaker 1: all just culturally like Mayans meets Cambodians meets something else Aztecs, right,
Speaker 1: because that's the architecture is all influenced by that. But
Speaker 1: at no point, and I'm seeing the statuary, like these
Speaker 1: twenty foot tall statues of predator creatures, and at no
Speaker 1: point do they say, I don't think we're in Kansas anymore.
Speaker 1: This is not right, like maybe not telling us something
Speaker 1: whalan that?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: To me, I was like, what who wouldn't like see
Speaker 1: that and go, what the fuck are we talking alien
Speaker 1: creatures here? What's going on?
Speaker 3: HP? Chariots the gods man, they're dropping out of the
Speaker 3: Sky's like fine in South America? Yeah, so Paul Anderson
Speaker 3: has bought into the chairs of the God's idea here
Speaker 3: where this is an all of our civilizations were effectively
Speaker 3: seeded somehow not seated. He doesn't go that far, but
Speaker 3: all of our civilizations, the three dominant civilizations or ancient civilizations,
Speaker 3: were all based out of this pyramid right where Look,
Speaker 3: this wall is in Aztec, and this wall is in
Speaker 3: mayand and this wall is in this Okay, so that
Speaker 3: should keep the scientists wondering, right, But it got me wondering,
Speaker 3: why wouldn't it just be one language featuring all of
Speaker 3: the symbols that would be in all of the different languages,
Speaker 3: and then eventually those would split off right and become
Speaker 3: their own thing. Shouldn't it have been one thing where
Speaker 3: He's like, I don't understand this. It's partially Cambodian, it's
Speaker 3: partially inc and it's partial, and it's partially some other
Speaker 3: language that we don't even understand.
Speaker 1: But ultimately, for me, your mileage may may vary on
Speaker 1: this far them alone, But what the whole chariot of
Speaker 1: the gods angle where the predators they aren't just hunters
Speaker 1: like they've actually like had some role as gods in
Speaker 1: ancient times. I fucking hate that. I don't like the
Speaker 1: idea that you're giving these creatures this added motivation or
Speaker 1: this added purpose that they have to fulfill. I like
Speaker 1: it when the predator just wants to come down to
Speaker 1: the earth and hunts, and somebody or some people have
Speaker 1: to hunt or be hunted. That's all I need from
Speaker 1: a Predator movie. I think all of the best Predator
Speaker 1: movies that at least the ones that I've seen so far,
Speaker 1: traffic in that ideal. So for me to see them
Speaker 1: like there's a shot of the Predator in ancient times,
Speaker 1: like on top of the pyramid, like gesturing to all
Speaker 1: of these people going walking into these arcrificial chambers, I
Speaker 1: just I hate it. It's just so like I use
Speaker 1: the word labored before, That's what I feel. This is
Speaker 1: all just like just trying so hard to make some
Speaker 1: sense out of this when you don't have to. It's
Speaker 1: not necessary. It's an action movie. You don't have to
Speaker 1: twist yourself into knots trying to rationalize why they're all
Speaker 1: in the same place at the same time. But let
Speaker 1: me ask you, what was your opinion.
Speaker 3: Of the Predators figuring into our cultural evolution? Yes, it's ridiculous,
Speaker 3: it's as ridiculous. Is it as ridiculous? Not as ridiculous,
Speaker 3: but it is. It's in the same ballpark as engineers
Speaker 3: black Goo David is the true creator of the Aliens.
Speaker 3: Can everyone go fuck themselves with that thing? Like speaking
Speaker 3: of a chariot of the Gods, and I discovered that artists.
Speaker 3: I just read that after was finished, one of Ridley
Speaker 3: Scott's producers, like one of his closest buddies, wrote an
Speaker 3: Alien two script that they didn't get obviously didn't get made,
Speaker 3: but they didn't even attempt to get made because before
Speaker 3: they could they had already handed the reins over to
Speaker 3: James Cameron to do Aliens. And in that script it
Speaker 3: had black goo and it had engineers. So that's his
Speaker 3: stupid idea from way back when, just like his stupid
Speaker 3: ideas from Blade Runner way back when, ended up in
Speaker 3: that new movie ruining it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but do you think that a movie like this
Speaker 1: needs that kind of intricacy of plot or are you
Speaker 1: do you think that people coming to see this movie
Speaker 1: they just want to see these creatures face off. Now,
Speaker 1: I'm not just suggesting you put them both in Madison
Speaker 1: Square Garden with a spotlight on the two of them
Speaker 1: and say, all right, fight, you need some shoe leather
Speaker 1: to get them to that point. But this is this
Speaker 1: was like a bridge too far that the plot is
Speaker 1: needlessly complex for what you're trying to accomplish.
Speaker 3: Hey, when whalan is showing them what the mission is
Speaker 3: entailing during their big briefing sequence, and he shows them
Speaker 3: the pyramid under the ice, and he shows them a
Speaker 3: computer generated image of what he thinks, like, look at
Speaker 3: all these chambers. It goes down and down like a maze.
Speaker 3: Did that not remind you immediately of Resident Evil with
Speaker 3: the Hive?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know how this movie got made. Here's
Speaker 3: the thing. Look, the idea of predators being our ancient
Speaker 3: four bears, the toll tics like that kind of thing
Speaker 3: is absolutely ridiculous, unnecessary. What was great about the earlier
Speaker 3: script and the comics for that matter, was I don't
Speaker 3: have a problem with the idea of predators have a
Speaker 3: fucking alien queen and they've got some eggs, and they
Speaker 3: want to go hunting, like seating a lake, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean, like planting some prey down, like oh,
Speaker 3: they look at this outpost. Let's drop some alien eggs.
Speaker 3: See what happens.
Speaker 1: But this is the pyramid is effectively an engine by
Speaker 1: which people are supposed to tramp through this pyramid, and
Speaker 1: at one point somebody steps on a brick that they're
Speaker 1: not supposed to do, and that actually Raiders of the
Speaker 1: Lost Ark style starts this ancient mechanism up where the
Speaker 1: alien queen has been frozen for hundreds, maybe thousands of years, right,
Speaker 1: she thaws and then immediately starts this factory against her
Speaker 1: will of course, of dropping eggs.
Speaker 3: So that effect looked ridiculously terrible. It was terrible depositor,
Speaker 3: and like, I was like, it's such a miniature, Like
Speaker 3: could they not have filmed that better?
Speaker 1: I had a lot of problems with the animatronics and
Speaker 1: just some of the effects of the aliens and the
Speaker 1: predators too, but beyond that, like in this setting, the
Speaker 1: people are absolutely necessary for triggering the alien reproduction cycle,
Speaker 1: which it's just weird. I like, maybe I think what
Speaker 1: you're saying is in the comic book, it's just about
Speaker 1: the predators seating a lake or something with alien eggs
Speaker 1: and just saying, well, let's just see what happens.
Speaker 3: But they find it out post of humans and are like,
Speaker 3: let's go, and they dropped the eggs off, and I'm like,
Speaker 3: we'll just wait.
Speaker 1: This effectively becomes a Rube Goldberg device where there's gears
Speaker 1: turning and walls becoming open and other ones closing, and
Speaker 1: it was just I can't say how much I hated
Speaker 1: that whole notion when did that.
Speaker 3: Movie Cube come out? Because it reminded me of that with.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah kind of, but at least that had a point.
Speaker 3: I mean, that was no I'm saying, it's just another
Speaker 3: sort of piece to the puzzle that like is the
Speaker 3: Boola bays that is fucking Alien versus Predator AVP.
Speaker 1: I really I wanted to enjoy it because I think
Speaker 1: before I saw this, I remember you and I were
Speaker 1: talking at the end of Predator Too, and you were saying, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think you I think you might like AVP. I
Speaker 1: think that was your memories of seeing it, much like
Speaker 1: my memories were seeing Predator Too. I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I really like this, but.
Speaker 3: Plus, I've seen hard I've seen Requiem, and Requiem is
Speaker 3: so bad that I was like, that was garbage, But
Speaker 3: that makes it in my mind, the comparison machine somehow
Speaker 3: spit this one out is great.
Speaker 1: Right right? But that was, like I said, it was
Speaker 1: just so needlessly complex, Like I don't need.
Speaker 3: That needlessly complex. And when I was saying earlier, like
Speaker 3: it drove me crazy because it's just people looking at
Speaker 3: things and going what is this thing? Like they find
Speaker 3: a spent face hugger and they're like, what is this creature?
Speaker 3: And the audience is like, it's a face hugger, run
Speaker 3: like that's this. Every fucking scene is somebody going what
Speaker 3: is this And we're just like, that's a fucking predator thing. Man,
Speaker 3: that's a predator gun. Like they needed this fucking organization
Speaker 3: to go we know what this is, we know what
Speaker 3: these are.
Speaker 1: That would have made more sense thematically, because I'm already
Speaker 1: anticipating the Whalen Corporation is hiding something because I watched
Speaker 1: I watched the Alien movies, so I know how they operate.
Speaker 1: And for that for Bishop Whaland to be as in
Speaker 1: the dark as the other ones and have it just
Speaker 1: be totally pointless, I just was silly the whole, the
Speaker 1: whole thing with So I guess the way it works
Speaker 1: is that the predators, I keep saying predators, the.
Speaker 3: Predators, the predators, predator fast, I don't care.
Speaker 1: Everybody knows. They have those shoulder cannons that zap, they
Speaker 1: move around, they zap you. Those are in a like
Speaker 1: a sarcophagus type of box inside of the pyramid. The
Speaker 1: idea being these predators that are coming to this hunts
Speaker 1: have to prove themselves, so they have to survive long
Speaker 1: enough to get the weapons that they need to eventually
Speaker 1: take on the aliens, which is actually not a terrible notion.
Speaker 1: But of course before they get there, Whaland and his
Speaker 1: team have found them, and now the predators are after
Speaker 1: them to get these guns, and they're stocking them, which
Speaker 1: I don't know. Again, it's this isn't rocket science. This
Speaker 1: is just let's put the alien and the Yaucha in
Speaker 1: a room together and let the sparks fly. Some plot
Speaker 1: something to make it interesting. But it's just my head
Speaker 1: was spinning with all the things you have to keep
Speaker 1: track of and the direction. Does this movie no favors?
Speaker 1: By the way, we want to talk about that a
Speaker 1: little bit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's talk about that, because I'll tell you what
Speaker 3: crystallized it for me. There's one scene in this movie
Speaker 3: that I was like, Wow, this is really effective, which
Speaker 3: is because the temple keeps reconfiguring. Sometimes our heroes or
Speaker 3: our characters find themselves in a position where if they
Speaker 3: don't move quickly, they're going to get smushed. So at
Speaker 3: one point two of the characters are crawling down the
Speaker 3: our leads sonal Athan and the Italian archaeologists, the Italian
Speaker 3: Archaelois Sebastian or all size, his character's name. He's crawling
Speaker 3: after her and it's closing so fast, and it was
Speaker 3: so scary, and then a predator shows up and froze
Speaker 3: his blade down there and completely diffuses it. And I'm like,
Speaker 3: that's Paul Anderson right there. You can't get out of
Speaker 3: his own way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the action scenes. Look, I read reviews and
Speaker 1: people saying, oh, it was too dark. I couldn't see anything.
Speaker 1: I didn't think it was necessarily too dark. I just
Speaker 1: thought that it wasn't filmed well enough. We talked about
Speaker 1: this in relation to Stephen Hopkins and Predator too. The
Speaker 1: action was not directed. Well, it's too chaotic. You don't
Speaker 1: have a sense of space or contexts or geography. Geography.
Speaker 3: Geography is like the most fucking important thing in an
Speaker 3: action movie, so we know where everything is at all times.
Speaker 3: This thing is a fucking temple that we're unfamiliar with
Speaker 3: that keeps reconfiguring itself every ten minutes. I never knew
Speaker 3: where I was at any.
Speaker 1: Time, and every wall in this temple looks exactly like
Speaker 1: every other wall, so they may as well be in
Speaker 1: any room in any chamber having these fights break out.
Speaker 1: There's no set, Like you said, there's no sense of geography,
Speaker 1: the dimensions of the room that the fight is going on.
Speaker 1: Just it just looked flat. The movie looked cheap in parts.
Speaker 1: For me, I already said I didn't think that the
Speaker 1: a lot of the creature effects, the animatronics were that effective.
Speaker 1: There were a couple of moments with the Xenomorpha thought
Speaker 1: were actually kind of cool. But I didn't like the
Speaker 1: updated masks that predators wore in this. I didn't like
Speaker 1: that at all either. But directing wise, beyond like some
Speaker 1: of the incomprehensibility of what's happening, I just felt it
Speaker 1: really was really flat and uninteresting.
Speaker 3: I have never in my life, while watching a movie
Speaker 3: thought please just go to some CG. But that happened
Speaker 3: every time the predator was fighting an alien. It's just
Speaker 3: awkward puppet snapping at a overly muscled predator. Man. Yeah,
Speaker 3: speaking of the design, does it not look like the
Speaker 3: predators were all swole, like they all forgotten leg day,
Speaker 3: Like their entire upper body is just like fucking what
Speaker 3: was that Johnny Bravo, what was that cartoon character? Hey mama,
Speaker 3: that guy like it's all upper body and then they
Speaker 3: just kind of go down into a v. They looked ridiculous.
Speaker 3: They looked like they were wearing shoulder pads.
Speaker 1: That was going to be the very next question that
Speaker 1: I was going to ask you, father Malone, is what
Speaker 1: did you think of the actor playing the Predator? Because
Speaker 1: for me, and it sounds like you're on the same wavelength,
Speaker 1: I really missed Kevin Peter Hall because he passed away
Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety one, so he couldn't do this. But
Speaker 1: for me, for somebody who you never really see their face,
Speaker 1: they're in a suit all the time, there was something
Speaker 1: about his portrayal of the Predator in both one and two.
Speaker 1: He had a certain authority at command. There's something hard
Speaker 1: to defind about, hard to define about the way he
Speaker 1: moved as the Predator. But it was just so badass,
Speaker 1: and it said so much about the character without actually
Speaker 1: having the characters speak anything. And now we have these
Speaker 1: guys they're like like brock lesnar from like the WWE,
Speaker 1: this guy who's got this massive like you said, he's
Speaker 1: so swoll up top and there's no room for him
Speaker 1: to be agile or any of that. It's just the guy.
Speaker 1: I just I could not unsee a guy in a
Speaker 1: monster suit swinging around. There was there's no artistry to
Speaker 1: his portrayal.
Speaker 3: It's like watching Michael Keaton fight with me. Remember when
Speaker 3: Michael Keaton backhands that one guy lady steps out and
Speaker 3: brings up his fist like, because you could turn your
Speaker 3: fucking head man, Like, that's what I feel about the
Speaker 3: Predators here.
Speaker 1: Yeah. There, But I will say this. I will say this.
Speaker 1: We're beating up on this movie pretty good, like you said,
Speaker 1: And I already talked about one of two things that
Speaker 1: I found cool. Can I mention the second thing that
Speaker 1: I found cool? Yeah, in regards to the because it
Speaker 1: kind of fits because we're talking about the predator, the
Speaker 1: one thing that the other thing that I found cool. Eventually,
Speaker 1: everybody is basically wiped out except for Snah Latham, and
Speaker 1: I think there was even a predator who was killed.
Speaker 1: So so now there's it's basically one down to one
Speaker 1: predator and her. And what I wasn't expecting, which I
Speaker 1: thought was actually kind of novel, is they She decides, look,
Speaker 1: she figures out that this we're in the middle of
Speaker 1: a battle and we need to take a side. Like
Speaker 1: because if we don't, we're gonna get killed by an
Speaker 1: alien or by this other creature. So I'm gonna take this.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna return this gun to this predator. This yaoucha.
Speaker 1: She didn't say that, but she sa, I'm gonna I'm
Speaker 1: gonna return this, and I'm on his side now effectively,
Speaker 1: and actually he accepts her gift or the presentation, like
Speaker 1: he he understands what she's trying to say to him,
Speaker 1: and in fact, they kind of become a team, yeah,
Speaker 1: which I thought was really interesting, best part of the
Speaker 1: movie because it was unexpected, but it made sense because
Speaker 1: at this point the Predator is in deep shit too because.
Speaker 3: His team's dead.
Speaker 1: His team's dead too, and so what he does so
Speaker 1: they basically team up. She helps him kill one of
Speaker 1: the Zeno morphs, and it's kind of cool, like he
Speaker 1: has he has marked his head in his helmet with
Speaker 1: this iconography to indicate that he killed this creature. And
Speaker 1: then after she kills it, he marks her face with
Speaker 1: it to kind of tell her that you're one of us.
Speaker 1: Now you've I'm honoring you with this. You know that
Speaker 1: this mark on your face and her right and he
Speaker 1: fashions her weapons that are cobbled together from the corpse
Speaker 1: of the Zeno morph because he's got the acid blood.
Speaker 1: Of course, I think she even has like this shield
Speaker 1: thing on her arm that's fashioned from the head of
Speaker 1: the Zeno More.
Speaker 3: She hasn't Her arm is shielded by the entire skull
Speaker 3: of a zoo giant banana shape is just completely sheathing
Speaker 3: her left arm.
Speaker 1: And they're a team, and I've I hadn't seen that
Speaker 1: up to this point, and I thought that I want
Speaker 1: more of.
Speaker 3: That, making her part of the fucking tribe. And then
Speaker 3: at the end of the movie, she doesn't get on
Speaker 3: the ship and leaves. Spoilers.
Speaker 1: He thought he was going to say, well, come with us,
Speaker 1: and you're predator.
Speaker 3: Now, yes, yes, Why didn't she leave?
Speaker 1: Well, because it's pretty damn scary to imagine leave.
Speaker 3: I mean, what is she?
Speaker 1: Where does she kill me?
Speaker 3: After you fucking battle predators and aliens and aunt darctical?
Speaker 3: What's left to do on Earth? Get out of here?
Speaker 1: Left? It was just such a novel concept. I wish
Speaker 1: the rest of the movie could have been reconfigured around
Speaker 1: that concept and been as cool as that, because I'm
Speaker 1: telling you, that was the coolest part of the one
Speaker 1: of two cool things I found out I found in
Speaker 1: this movie, and it was the coolest of the two things.
Speaker 3: This movie should have begun with that team arriving and
Speaker 3: it's a big team and we only know a couple
Speaker 3: of figures and something about whyland, and then their team
Speaker 3: gets wiped out, and then the predators show up and
Speaker 3: they help out for a bit, and then they get
Speaker 3: wiped out. And that's what you were saying, a buddy
Speaker 3: film of a human and a predator fucking running am
Speaker 3: up together.
Speaker 1: They have a moment where they enter a chamber that's
Speaker 1: filled with alien eggs, and the predator, through pantomime, tells
Speaker 1: her that he's going to set off one of these
Speaker 1: explosive charges and throw it in there to wipe them out.
Speaker 1: And he even like kind of takes his hand and
Speaker 1: goes like poof like this to indicate like there's going
Speaker 1: to be an explosion. That is that's so cool. They're
Speaker 1: communicating for the very first time, a predator and a human.
Speaker 1: I was that delighted me in the midst of all
Speaker 1: of this crap. I love that.
Speaker 3: I loved it well, I loved all of their interactions together.
Speaker 3: But let me talk about that scene here, we're now
Speaker 3: at the end of this movie basically where Okay, first
Speaker 3: of all, how many eggs do they need? Like how
Speaker 3: many humans were showing up and sacrificing themselves because there's
Speaker 3: so many? But maybe that's just an alien thing. Okay,
Speaker 3: before we go further, because you mentioned the scene where
Speaker 3: he scars her, where he scarred himself. He takes the
Speaker 3: talon of a face hugger, or he takes one of
Speaker 3: the fingers of a face hugger and he dips it
Speaker 3: in alien blood and then scars his helmet and then
Speaker 3: scars her face. Right, here's what I noticed. For the
Speaker 3: first time. I never noticed the tiny little claws at
Speaker 3: the end of an alien finger. Maybe they're just made
Speaker 3: them more prominent here. But for some reason, all I
Speaker 3: could think was, if you just put a little bit
Speaker 3: of pink nail polsh on it, maybe those face huggers
Speaker 3: wouldn't be so aggressive. And that got me thinking about
Speaker 3: the alien life cycle. And now I'm sure I'm not
Speaker 3: I'm sure there are entire fucking themes been written about
Speaker 3: what a potential alien life cycle is actually like. But
Speaker 3: is the face hugger the alien itself? And then it
Speaker 3: somehow transports itself into the person and that's why it dies.
Speaker 3: Or is it a creature whose sole purpose is to
Speaker 3: deliver that payload into another living being and once it's
Speaker 3: done so it dies. It is so single minded an organism,
Speaker 3: that's all it does. The egg opens up, it's like,
Speaker 3: I gotta find somebody, and then it's like and then
Speaker 3: it kicks off.
Speaker 1: I think b I think that's the case because the
Speaker 1: alien is the thing that bursts from the chest cavity.
Speaker 1: That is a baby alien. I think the face hugger.
Speaker 1: Not knowing much about plants, mind you, I think the
Speaker 1: face hugger is more like the spore on a dandelion
Speaker 1: that kind of goes like that's a vehicle that gets
Speaker 1: the seed to where it wants to go. But the
Speaker 1: dandelion seed is not the plant itself. It's only like
Speaker 1: the mechanism that get gets the seed to where it
Speaker 1: needs to gain per That to me, is like a
Speaker 1: face hugger.
Speaker 3: But we're talking about a dandelion that chases after you
Speaker 3: and wraps a cord around your neck.
Speaker 1: It's a scary dandelion. But I think that's but because
Speaker 1: when the spikey blonde is the first person to die,
Speaker 1: she gets impregnated with the face hugger. She wakes up
Speaker 1: and she sees that the face Hugger is dead on
Speaker 1: the floor next to her, which to me cemented that
Speaker 1: idea that once the face hugger does its plants the seed,
Speaker 1: it has no more purpose and it dies.
Speaker 3: Okay, the life cycle of the alien is a bit
Speaker 3: accelerated here in this movie. People get a fucking face
Speaker 3: hugger on and then it immediately bursts out of them
Speaker 3: and then it's a full fucking adult alien, Whereas I
Speaker 3: was always under the impression that at least took a
Speaker 3: couple of days before you got off.
Speaker 1: Well that's what happened in Alien, right, Like, Yeah, the
Speaker 1: guy's on the gurney for a while, they don't know
Speaker 1: what the face hugger is doing, but then it leaves
Speaker 1: and they're like, what.
Speaker 3: Why don't you freeze him? The voice of Reason on
Speaker 3: the Nostromo.
Speaker 1: Right, But yeah, that's another thing that I took note
Speaker 1: of is that this all happens very fast, this whole
Speaker 1: mission from beginning to end, Like it seems like it
Speaker 1: only takes about three hours total, or maybe it's happening
Speaker 1: in real time. More or less because there's.
Speaker 3: No like anything. It takes place over one evening, not
Speaker 3: even whole one evening, because at a certain point she's like, Okay,
Speaker 3: we're calling it, we're going to go home, We're going
Speaker 3: to go back to the ship now, and they're like, no,
Speaker 3: we're staying. And that's when every all the fucking craziness begins. Right,
Speaker 3: So we're talking about like twelve hours.
Speaker 1: Maybe max twelve hours. It's not even by the time
Speaker 1: they get outside at the end of the movie, it's
Speaker 1: still dark.
Speaker 3: Although I guess or is that just Antarctica?
Speaker 1: Is it the land of the Midnight Sun? Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: not sure, but it's certainly at no point do they
Speaker 1: like set up camp and like rest overnight. Like this
Speaker 1: is all happening basically, and within that twelve hour time span.
Speaker 1: I think you're right about that.
Speaker 3: Who cleans the pyramid after each little foray of young
Speaker 3: predators coming to improve their metal? That place pretty fucked up.
Speaker 3: Who's cleaning up the eggs? Who's putting the queen back
Speaker 3: to sleep?
Speaker 1: That's well, there must be some sort of mechanism that
Speaker 1: we're not privy to, because the whole thing went awry.
Speaker 1: I would assume if the predators are able to do
Speaker 1: their thing and kill the aliens for sport. I think
Speaker 1: maybe there's like, maybe there's a button that they know.
Speaker 3: You're saying that they have to clean up after themselves.
Speaker 1: Basically, or they know that there's a brick that they
Speaker 1: have to push in to a wall that will reverse everything.
Speaker 3: Well, that makes sense. I remove my criticism.
Speaker 1: Stricken from the record, but there is. But we do
Speaker 1: see when they show this flashback to ancient civilizations, if
Speaker 1: we know that if things go awry and they get
Speaker 1: overwhelmed by the Zeno morphs, they do have like measures
Speaker 1: in place, like a failsafe that if things look dire,
Speaker 1: then they set off basically one of the nukes and
Speaker 1: it wipes out everything, although curiously it does not wipe
Speaker 1: out the alien queen. It just wipes out all of
Speaker 1: the soldiers that are coming to kill and.
Speaker 3: She was already above.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but this, like the radius of this nuclear explosion
Speaker 1: is pretty wide, but.
Speaker 3: It didn't kill them. She was already on the surface.
Speaker 3: When they get to the tunnel. At the bottom of
Speaker 3: the tunnel, she looks up and you can see just
Speaker 3: very faintly that the alien queen is scrambling up the tunnel.
Speaker 1: No, I'm saying during the flashback when he's telling the
Speaker 1: story of the hieroglyph about because that's what happens is
Speaker 1: they say, look, we've got to no matter what happens,
Speaker 1: we can't let the xenomorphs escape because if they can
Speaker 1: reach the surface, we're all dead. So there's a scene
Speaker 1: where you see these predators getting overwhelmed on the top
Speaker 1: of a pyramid where there's hundreds of xenomorphs swarming them.
Speaker 1: One of them sets off one of their nukes and
Speaker 1: it wipes out everything. And I think even the archaeologist says,
Speaker 1: in the event that things get too crazy and they
Speaker 1: can't finish the hunts, they have ways of making sure
Speaker 1: that nothing escapes.
Speaker 3: So why do you think the queen wasn't killed by that?
Speaker 3: Obviously she was killed. That's not the pyramid we're in.
Speaker 3: That's a different pyramid.
Speaker 1: So you're saying there's other pyramids where this is.
Speaker 3: That's exactly what I'm saying, because that looked like an
Speaker 3: alien world to me.
Speaker 1: No, I think that's the same pyramid, but it's before
Speaker 1: it got covered with ice.
Speaker 3: No, because the pyramid is fucking decimated by the explosion.
Speaker 3: That was an example of what could happen here.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, I didn't think of it in terms
Speaker 1: of another pyramid on their world or whatever. But anyway,
Speaker 1: I guess that would have been a viable option for
Speaker 1: the predator to just set off the nuke and kill everything.
Speaker 1: I guess they try to do that, but they do escapes. Yeah, yeah, queen.
Speaker 1: Who did you talk about how the queen escaped?
Speaker 3: Oh? Well, they use the same method is alien resurrection. Basically,
Speaker 3: they use the queen's acid blood that like against her.
Speaker 3: Whereas what I liked in I didn't like a lot
Speaker 3: of alien resurrections access I go back and forth. Anyway,
Speaker 3: One thing I'd liked in alien resurrection was the two
Speaker 3: aliens figuring out, let's kill this third and that'll eat
Speaker 3: through the floor and we're free. And it would I
Speaker 3: can't imagine a soldier coming up and swiping at the
Speaker 3: queen and using her own blood, Like, wouldn't he do
Speaker 3: it to himself first? That really bothered me.
Speaker 1: I can see that. I can see that. But anyway,
Speaker 1: so let's talk a little bit about the ending of this,
Speaker 1: because I think we've kind of reached the point.
Speaker 3: What happens is well, No, I want to mention one
Speaker 3: thing that I really like, which is Italiano. Guy gets
Speaker 3: cocooned right and he's got an alien in him, and
Speaker 3: the predator's like, I'm going to kill it, and she's like, no,
Speaker 3: I'll kill him. And then they're killing him because he's
Speaker 3: got an alien and it's about to burst out of him.
Speaker 3: But then she kills him but doesn't kill the alien,
Speaker 3: which is great. But the best part of the scene
Speaker 3: is the little alien pops out and the predator catches
Speaker 3: it and then breaks its little neck and then he
Speaker 3: shudders like and then throws it away. The predator shuddering
Speaker 3: at the grossness of an alien was awesome.
Speaker 1: It's hard for me to take those little baby chest
Speaker 1: burst aliens seriously, Hello, my honey, Spaceballs, thank you. It's
Speaker 1: because they it's just such a mechanical effect. It just
Speaker 1: doesn't It looks just like that top hat wearing chest
Speaker 1: burster from Spaceballs. It's hard for me to do that,
Speaker 1: but you're right. That was kind of cool but not cool.
Speaker 3: Is one of the predators against bitten through his face plate.
Speaker 3: He an alien as xenomorph uses his retractable thing to
Speaker 3: go right through his head. But he's wearing what's the
Speaker 3: purpose of a fucking metal face plate if it can't
Speaker 3: put you against a zeno morph.
Speaker 1: Well, that goes back to what you were saying about
Speaker 1: the fact that they're not outfitted for what for the
Speaker 1: type of hunt that they're on. They should have been
Speaker 1: in some sort of winter gear with armor that is
Speaker 1: xenomorph resistant.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and appropriate for fighting in a temple in dark
Speaker 3: right areas. I mean, I guess they don't need light
Speaker 3: because they have the they see through thermal imaging.
Speaker 1: Sure, and there's in this movie. Also, there's none of
Speaker 1: the This might have been the first movie where the
Speaker 1: predators don't use any of the mimicking that they do
Speaker 1: in the first two where they hear somebody and they
Speaker 1: played back and then they can like like one of
Speaker 1: them laughs like Sonny Lantham in the first one.
Speaker 3: And Yeah, why weren't they doing a bumblebee here with
Speaker 3: the predator like using phrases that he'd been picking up
Speaker 3: from the entire movie to like communicate with her.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Another thing that bothered me, actually, I was thinking about this.
Speaker 1: I'm curious what your thoughts are on this. So the
Speaker 1: whole point of this pyramid is for the predators to
Speaker 1: come and hunt the alien xenomorphs. But when the predators
Speaker 1: first arrive, half of the Whaaling Corporation search team. They've
Speaker 1: set up camp in the old Whalers Whaling village. So
Speaker 1: the first thing the predators do when they get there
Speaker 1: is start killing all the humans and stringing them up
Speaker 1: to make trophies out of. But I guess my point is,
Speaker 1: what do they care about humans? Don't they just want
Speaker 1: to cut to the chase and just hunt what they're
Speaker 1: there to hunt, which is zenomorphs?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Or are they just like, hey, I'm here, these humans
Speaker 1: are here. Why don't I just get some trophies while
Speaker 1: I'm here?
Speaker 3: Because like everything else the script, in this script, it's
Speaker 3: completely clumsy, like he needed to show us that the
Speaker 3: predators were a threat to humans without having them kill
Speaker 3: any of our humans. Yet, so here it is, But
Speaker 3: it doesn't make any sense. Wouldn't they want these humans alive?
Speaker 3: Wouldn't they grab a bunch of them and go bring
Speaker 3: them down? We got fucking eggs to fucking like, like
Speaker 3: that's the thing these guys are showing up? Because why
Speaker 3: the predators are the humans. Okay, they know. Okay, so
Speaker 3: the temple has sort of come to life like it
Speaker 3: does every hundred years. So they're dropping off predators. They're
Speaker 3: used to hundreds or thousand years ago. They're used to
Speaker 3: a bunch of.
Speaker 1: Like Mayan, like ancient.
Speaker 3: They're used to human followers delivering them sacrificial people to
Speaker 3: be tuned by the aliens and just bursted in such
Speaker 3: But here it's completely covered in ice.
Speaker 4: What was it?
Speaker 3: What was the plan? They were just going to go
Speaker 3: down and kill face huggers? Yeah, there was no one
Speaker 3: to fucking cocoon, right.
Speaker 1: It would have made more sense if the predators instead
Speaker 1: of just outright killing a team that had set up
Speaker 1: base camp, like just grab them and say, you're coming
Speaker 1: down this tunnel with us. We're gonna we have use
Speaker 1: for you. You don't believe in us as gods anymore, but
Speaker 1: we're gonna make use of you to breed these aliens
Speaker 1: we got.
Speaker 3: It could have been so twist, you know what it
Speaker 3: should have been. Honestly, hp it should have been. This
Speaker 3: team comes to find out what's going on down there,
Speaker 3: they are they know what the predator is, they don't
Speaker 3: know what the alien is. The predators capture them, and
Speaker 3: then fucking all hell breaks loose and one of them
Speaker 3: gets away, and then it ends up one in a
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I'm fan fictioning, but this script is so disappointing.
Speaker 1: It is, it is, but but I do like.
Speaker 3: The ending though. I do like the end. Fight.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna say, let's talk a little bit
Speaker 1: about that. So the Suna Latham's character and the predator
Speaker 1: have made this alliance and they're gonna try to escape.
Speaker 1: He has set off a nuke that they believe has
Speaker 1: killed everything in the pyramid, but the queen escaped.
Speaker 3: So, okay, one more thing. I'm sorry, I'm gonna let
Speaker 3: you get to this scene. Okay, So he mimes to her,
Speaker 3: I'm going to use this explosive device and it's gonna
Speaker 3: blow up everything. We need to get out of here, right,
Speaker 3: And then, in one of these stupid action movie things,
Speaker 3: they're running to outrun the explosion. It's really stupid. But
Speaker 3: here's the thing. If they could have just left, why
Speaker 3: didn't they, Like, suddenly, when there's an explosive involved, they're like,
Speaker 3: let's just run and get out of here. At any
Speaker 3: point they could have just run and gone out of there.
Speaker 3: Why didn't they.
Speaker 1: Well, they have to set off an explosive to kill
Speaker 1: all the eggs that are waiting to hatch. They know
Speaker 1: that much. They can't just leave it calmly and say, well,
Speaker 1: that's it, we're done. They have to explode the place
Speaker 1: because it's dangerous.
Speaker 3: Yeah, do it from your ship.
Speaker 1: That's what he should have done. He should have like
Speaker 1: communicated and said, hey, predator one, a predator two. When
Speaker 1: after we're out of here, can you send another one
Speaker 1: of those beams down, but an explosive one and we'll
Speaker 1: be up. We'll be having a cup of coffee up above.
Speaker 1: Just wait for you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, could you drill out the entire area with our
Speaker 3: laser drill? Just keep drilling and drilling please.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it does. But what ends up happening. It's again,
Speaker 1: it's just actiony bullshit where they think they've gotten out
Speaker 1: and they're safe, but the queen has gotten out, and
Speaker 1: I think the queen actually has ends up impaling the
Speaker 1: predator through the chest with its tail.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it's great. Listen when the queen comes out.
Speaker 3: I do really like this sequence, only because you get
Speaker 3: the how massive the queen is. Like at one point,
Speaker 3: she's standing beside a house and I'm like, oh my god,
Speaker 3: everyone's in real trouble here, but it's for me.
Speaker 1: It kept hearkening back to Aliens, another movie that ends
Speaker 1: with a face off between an alien queen and our heroes.
Speaker 3: Oh sure, I'm not saying it's original. I'm just saying
Speaker 3: seeing an alien on an alien queen on Earth like
Speaker 3: charging toward our heroine was pretty breathtaking.
Speaker 1: It was some of those effects were kind of cool.
Speaker 1: I think some of it was CG, but it was
Speaker 1: dark enough that it kind of hid some of the flaws.
Speaker 3: I like the CG in this movie. The practical stuff
Speaker 3: was the problem here, like the whenever an alien was CG.
Speaker 3: Like there's a scene where the warriors come and kind
Speaker 3: of a circle around the queen, and when they all
Speaker 3: came running up, I was like, Oh yeah, and this
Speaker 3: is what I'm looking for in this movie. I want
Speaker 3: them moving like that, not like fucking puppets or like
Speaker 3: guys in their suits.
Speaker 1: They're skittering around, I know what you mean.
Speaker 3: Like they look like we're now used to them moving
Speaker 3: like that, and now it's that's how they have to move.
Speaker 3: They have to run on the ceilings and such.
Speaker 1: Right, exactly, And I agree that the CG by and
Speaker 1: large was actually pretty good. It was used sparingly, but
Speaker 1: the animatronic was where things fell Apart from me, every
Speaker 1: time you see the second set of Jaws come out
Speaker 1: and try and snap at somebody, it just looks so
Speaker 1: fake to me. I mean, I know it is, just.
Speaker 3: Know there was somebody standing behind it, like pushing the
Speaker 3: lever and then squeezing a thing to make the jaws snap.
Speaker 1: Not good, but the battle at the end, like you said,
Speaker 1: wasn't bad. But there are some inconsistencies when we'll talk
Speaker 1: about in a minute. But what effectively happens is they
Speaker 1: figure the aliens out. But they have figured out that
Speaker 1: they're going to basically lash a chain around a water
Speaker 1: tower and send the queen into the water. Like, did
Speaker 1: remind me do we know that? Do we definitively that
Speaker 1: the aliens breathe oxygen?
Speaker 3: Because I know no, that's the thing the aliens can
Speaker 3: survive in outer space. So yeah, that queen is just
Speaker 3: sitting at the bottom of the ocean, frozen, ready to
Speaker 3: make more babies.
Speaker 1: Right, that's what they've won the day, but only for now.
Speaker 1: Like at some point that that alien is going to
Speaker 1: be free of that water tower, and that's it. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's game over basically. But so they do that. But
Speaker 1: in the ensuing battle, the predator has been mortally wounded,
Speaker 1: and then his brethren come and take him onto the ship,
Speaker 1: but along the way, basically honoring son Alan, they give
Speaker 1: her a spear as a reward for being a good hunter.
Speaker 3: Here's the other thing I liked in this movie. This
Speaker 3: is the only other thing. The predator that hands her
Speaker 3: the spear is clearly an elder, and I got really
Speaker 3: excited at seeing a gray old predator.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it was cool because they were like, you
Speaker 1: know what, we salute you. You're one of us.
Speaker 3: Basically, yes, now come with us because there's nothing left
Speaker 3: for you here.
Speaker 1: But that's not all Like nowadays, this would have been
Speaker 1: like a mid credit sting. This was still made during
Speaker 1: a time when they didn't have all that Marvel bullshit.
Speaker 1: We had to wait through credits to see the actual
Speaker 1: end of the movie. So they take this dead creature
Speaker 1: on board, they lay it down, and then they all
Speaker 1: go off to do ship things. I don't know what
Speaker 1: they're doing, and the camera zooms in on this dead
Speaker 1: this dead predator and what do you know? What happens
Speaker 1: bah blahlone with this predator.
Speaker 3: It's ches burst open and the preed alien comes out,
Speaker 3: a tiny alien that has the mandibles of a predator.
Speaker 3: So the mandibles open and then the little, tiny second
Speaker 3: mouth shoots out, Oh no, we're in for some trouble
Speaker 3: in the next movie.
Speaker 1: The end not good because the animatronic once again lets
Speaker 1: them down. It doesn't look there's nothing fearful about seeing
Speaker 1: this tiny pred alien. It just looks like a puppet
Speaker 1: with a mouth that opens and closes. I just it
Speaker 1: looks so cheesy to me. Any horror that you're supposed
Speaker 1: to feel at this new type of alien is evaporated immediately.
Speaker 3: And I thought it was a cheat because it just
Speaker 3: felt like a shock moment tacked on at the end
Speaker 3: of the movie because I couldn't remember a moment where
Speaker 3: our hero was face huggered. Now I and rewatching the
Speaker 3: director's cut, there is a moment where they show a
Speaker 3: face hugger leaping at him and he spins around to
Speaker 3: look and then we and it cuts away immediately, So
Speaker 3: now I know that technically it makes sense that must
Speaker 3: have happened, right. However, the Queen doesn't kill Ripley in
Speaker 3: Alien three because she has an alien in her. The
Speaker 3: queen here is out for fucking predator blood with that
Speaker 3: predator who has an alien impregnated in him. Bye, Paul.
Speaker 1: Logic is not a strong.
Speaker 3: Suit my god Man screen story by Dan O'Bannon Ronald Schue.
Speaker 3: So they should take it off. It's a fucking insult
Speaker 3: to put their names on this movie.
Speaker 1: So when all of a said and done, Padamlada, I
Speaker 1: have another question for you. Like now this, we both
Speaker 1: agree that this is not a good movie, But do
Speaker 1: you think in retrospect there was a necessary movie?
Speaker 3: Ooh, good question in keeping both franchises fresh in people's minds. Exactly, Yes, yes,
Speaker 3: I think here's the thing. Evidently that initial draft of
Speaker 3: Alien Versus Predator that they were going to make in
Speaker 3: the nineties was ready to go. Guess what happened regime change.
Speaker 1: Oh, of course, things are killed routinely.
Speaker 3: So the next president comes in and says, we need
Speaker 3: another Alien movie, and we need Sigourney Weaver. So they
Speaker 3: made Resurrection and that killed Alien Versus Predator. They should
Speaker 3: have made Alien Versus Predator then and saved Sigourney Weaver
Speaker 3: for a later situation.
Speaker 1: Would have been cool.
Speaker 3: Speaking of which, let me say right now because oh,
Speaker 3: what's his name, Dan Tracktenberg. Since Dan Tracktenberg is doing
Speaker 3: such a great job of blending both of these franchises,
Speaker 3: can we get a movie with Dutch and Ripley.
Speaker 1: I have nothing but the fullest confidence in Tractenburg based
Speaker 1: on I'm.
Speaker 3: Not talking, I'm not talking animated by the way, I'm
Speaker 3: talking right now, I'm talking Sigourney Weaver and fucking Arnold
Speaker 3: Schwarzenegger fighting both aliens and predators together, because that's.
Speaker 1: The whole thing, Right, when you successfully hunted a predator,
Speaker 1: they have that capsule that you're in, right, They they
Speaker 1: take basically.
Speaker 3: Yeah, which, by the way, I love that they do that.
Speaker 1: It makes perfect sense in their culture that they would
Speaker 1: do that because you're the killer of killers. Not to
Speaker 1: put too fine a point on it, I I'm just
Speaker 1: so eager to go wherever Tracktenburg wants to take me.
Speaker 1: As far as a predator movie, he's there's not I mean,
Speaker 1: knock on wood, I'm not going to jinx things, but
Speaker 1: there's not been a misstep yet with any of those movies.
Speaker 3: I'm so excited that he's the one going to be
Speaker 3: guiding the actual mythology of the Predator, because no matter what,
Speaker 3: we still don't know what goddamn thing about them.
Speaker 1: What he's really done. I mean, there was a Shane
Speaker 1: Black movie which I note was a was the Predator.
Speaker 1: That was the name of it.
Speaker 3: Oh we're getting there, baby.
Speaker 1: And we'll talk about it. But I can't say it's
Speaker 1: not as if Gantracktingburg like took this moribunfranchise and brought
Speaker 1: it to its former glory, because The Predator was, by
Speaker 1: by all indication, a big budget movie. But I think
Speaker 1: he has taken the idea and like sharpened it to
Speaker 1: a fine point and taking all the bullshit away, And
Speaker 1: what you're left with is a lean, mean fucking movie
Speaker 1: about the Predator facing off against another fierce warrior. That's
Speaker 1: what we got in Prey. That's what we gotten Killer
Speaker 1: of Killers, and that's I couldn't be more excited. This
Speaker 1: is somebody who kind of lost interest in the Predator
Speaker 1: franchise very early. I am so excited for bad Lands.
Speaker 1: I can't even tell you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, me too. It's it can't be worse than this.
Speaker 3: Although look, I think there's plenty to recommend the movie.
Speaker 3: There's lots of little moments, there's lots of good performances here.
Speaker 3: I love seeing sonaal Ethan. I'll take any chance I
Speaker 3: get to watch her.
Speaker 1: It's a real head scratcher why she's even in this movie,
Speaker 1: to be perfectly honest, because it's a very low budget director.
Speaker 1: It's a very it's this movie was made on the cheap.
Speaker 1: And I want to say, like Czechoslovakia.
Speaker 3: It certainly seems by the production cast list.
Speaker 1: Right, and that's smart. I mean, if you can make
Speaker 1: a twenty million dollar movie for two million dollars, then
Speaker 1: why not. But the fact is this doesn't look like
Speaker 1: an expensive movie, and it should. But but yeah, no,
Speaker 1: there are things to recommend. I agree. But so now Latham.
Speaker 1: I as much as I'm happy that she was in it,
Speaker 1: it didn't make sense to me because she's better than this.
Speaker 3: Well, everyone was better than that. Are we better than this?
Speaker 3: You're goddamn right, and you are too for listening to
Speaker 3: us for all this time, better than all the better
Speaker 3: than me and HP and the movie combined. Until next time,
Speaker 3: we're going to be taking a look at Alien Versus
Speaker 3: Predator Requiem, which is a quickly cheapy knockoff sequel to
Speaker 3: this movie that nobody saw coming and nobody wanted and
Speaker 3: oh boy, HP, we do another show called HB Hates Me. Well,
Speaker 3: in this case, yeah, you're getting it, baby, We're gonna
Speaker 3: get it twice because then we got to watch The
Speaker 3: Predator after that.
Speaker 1: This is Father Malone Hates Me because you're making me
Speaker 1: watch Requiem and it sounds like it's not gonna be
Speaker 1: a very good time for me.
Speaker 3: So oh, but it's gonna be a good time for
Speaker 3: you when you're here. How we fucking deal with it?
Speaker 3: All right? Until next time? Where can people find you?
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Speaker 2: We can kill it? Ah, you know no, no, no, no,