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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the Parenting Roundabout podcast. I'm Terry Morrow and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Catherine Jileco. As parents and parenting writers, we can't

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<v Speaker 1>help but see everything through a parenting lens. But as

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<v Speaker 1>our kids have become adults, we find ourselves more interested

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<v Speaker 1>in getting caught up on movies and streaming than I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going over the same parenting topics over and over.

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<v Speaker 2>So, since we're pretty sure we can find parenting wisdom anywhere,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to talk about what we're watching, what we

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<v Speaker 2>thought about it, and maybe what we can learn from it,

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<v Speaker 2>if only what not to do. Watch and listen along,

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<v Speaker 2>and let's all make like we're doing something important for

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<v Speaker 2>our families.

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<v Speaker 1>Each Wednesday we bring you a watch or we watch

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<v Speaker 1>of an older entertainment property. And for this week of

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<v Speaker 1>August fifth, we are continuing with Lost, Season one, episode five.

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<v Speaker 1>We are now talking about White Rabbit, a Jack flashback episode.

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<v Speaker 1>And I believe the debut on this show of what

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<v Speaker 1>will be an ongoing monster afflicting almost everybody, and that

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<v Speaker 1>would be daddy issues. Oh dear, yep, yep, yep.

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<v Speaker 2>And this dad was a real piece of work, was

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<v Speaker 2>he not?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, even in life he was awful and in death,

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<v Speaker 1>he leads his kid off a cliff.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, although he does find some fresh water, so.

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<v Speaker 1>That he does. He does eventually lead into fresh water

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<v Speaker 1>and his empty coffins.

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<v Speaker 3>So there's that.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, are we supposed to think, well, what happened

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<v Speaker 2>to his body?

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<v Speaker 1>I think that we are encouraged to think about anything

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<v Speaker 1>we want to think about the show. And people did

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<v Speaker 1>to the tune of thousands of words. So does that

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<v Speaker 1>mean there actually is a zombie Jack's dad wandering around?

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<v Speaker 1>Or does that mean the coffin flew up in the

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<v Speaker 1>bodies somewhere else? Or does that mean that the airline

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<v Speaker 1>lady just dumped his dad out and put an weak him.

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<v Speaker 1>I couldn't mean all sorts of things. But right now,

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<v Speaker 1>right now, they're just throwing everything they got at the screen.

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<v Speaker 1>So you know, we'll sort out the pieces.

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<v Speaker 2>Later, right, much like we're constantly sorting through the luggage.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, oh still still, how could they have not gone

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<v Speaker 1>through all that luggage at this point?

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<v Speaker 2>I know there's forty seven people and there's it's been

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<v Speaker 2>like a week, yeah, maybe five days, six days.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, there's one fewer person now because.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, because somebody round having failed to save her yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh boon. He tried, and then in saving him, Jack

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<v Speaker 1>failed to save her. And does really nobody else know

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<v Speaker 1>how to swim? I mean, Charlie says he doesn't know

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<v Speaker 1>how to swim. SAYI doesn't swim, right, Gin doesn't swim?

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<v Speaker 1>You're like Sawyer might be a swimmer, but he would

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<v Speaker 1>not do it.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like Gin's everyman for you know, he's the

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<v Speaker 2>only looking out for Gin and son and son.

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<v Speaker 1>That's true. And none of those extras know how to swim.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess they figure better than me.

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<v Speaker 2>Not an extra anymore if they start swimming pain for that?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah. This is also a good illustration Jack's Jack's dilemma.

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<v Speaker 1>In addition to showing a lot of bad parenting that

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<v Speaker 1>he received, it's also a good reminder that parents need sleep,

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<v Speaker 1>that you can't take care of everybody if you're not sleeping.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're not sleeping, you see dead people and you

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<v Speaker 1>see uh, you know, you feel like running into the

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<v Speaker 1>jungle is a good idea, and you know you can't

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<v Speaker 1>focus on the five million problems that those who are

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<v Speaker 1>depending on you, and also can't save two people from

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<v Speaker 1>drowning in the ocean, only one, So come on, take

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<v Speaker 1>a nap. I enjoyed how I mean, we talked about

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<v Speaker 1>Gin and Son. They're sort of by themselves and looking

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<v Speaker 1>after themselves. But it's it's fortunate. I think that although

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<v Speaker 1>they appear not to understand English, if you say it

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<v Speaker 1>loudly enough, they understand. Just yell at enough times, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and they'll know that's a useful thing. If you're an

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<v Speaker 1>American and you don't speak any other languages, if you

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<v Speaker 1>just say it loud, just keep turning up the volume,

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<v Speaker 1>repeat it and louder and louder. Thank goodness. Boone decides

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<v Speaker 1>he's going to be the leader, all right, because because

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<v Speaker 1>who made Jack the leader? Just because he's like, you

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<v Speaker 2>Right, the Jack's like, please remove me from this position.

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<v Speaker 3>I do not want it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we were wondering why Boone stole the water, but

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<v Speaker 1>I looked at read something on lost Pedia website and

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<v Speaker 1>one who was rationing out the water and he was

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<v Speaker 1>taking charge, which, honey, that ain't gonna work. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think you can even get your your sibling to listen

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<v Speaker 1>to you, right, the rest of the people there.

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<v Speaker 2>Your sibling is going to make everyone else turn against you.

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<v Speaker 1>Basically, the sawyer was congratulating him on taking over the

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<v Speaker 1>heat for a little while.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>You wonder why they didn't anticipate that water was going

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<v Speaker 1>to be a problem. I guess they're still thinking so,

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<v Speaker 1>but he's going to save.

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<v Speaker 3>Them, right, They're still waiting for that.

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<v Speaker 1>Feel like you would have had some expeditions looking for water, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and not just Lock going out with what a canteen? Maybe? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it was so funny when Jack fell off the cliff

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<v Speaker 1>and was like, you know, this very dramatic scene of

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<v Speaker 1>him climbing his way back up and then his hand

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<v Speaker 1>appears off the right. I almost screamed, I would have

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<v Speaker 1>the vine and fallen. Right, it's Dad, Okay, I know

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<v Speaker 1>it's what it seemed to be, but of course it

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<v Speaker 1>was Lock, yes, and I was able to pull him up.

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<v Speaker 1>Says that he looked into the eye of this island

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<v Speaker 1>and it was beautiful. Apparently a monster in the previous episode.

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<v Speaker 3>The monster was beautiful.

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<v Speaker 1>Huh something that Lock saw. Well, I don't know. His

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<v Speaker 1>life's considerably better since he got to the islands, So

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<v Speaker 1>I guess it's in the eye of the beholder, Claire

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<v Speaker 1>is continuing to be pregnant, yep, and uh, everybody is

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<v Speaker 1>just kind of waitting around, see what's gonna happen next.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, which, yeah, you need some proactive you do need

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<v Speaker 2>some leadership and a leader that has slept, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>more than once in whatever this is, Yes, six days.

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<v Speaker 1>There's like this small group that has all the ideas

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<v Speaker 1>and does all the things right, and then within the

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<v Speaker 1>slightly large group there's a bunch of people who say

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<v Speaker 1>yes or no, And then there's all these other people

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<v Speaker 1>who knows what they're doing. Maybe they're going on expeditions

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<v Speaker 1>and get they're.

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<v Speaker 2>Just sorting, sorting like close.

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<v Speaker 1>Practical from impractical.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, But even that was Claire and Kate, So like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we know these we know these two.

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<v Speaker 1>Every now and then somebody will walk by only go wait,

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<v Speaker 1>who is that? Where did they come from?

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<v Speaker 2>Right?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we're just trying to keep up keep up appearances

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<v Speaker 2>that there are forty seven people here.

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<v Speaker 3>Forty six I think it was forty eight.

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<v Speaker 1>Seven. Yeah, that's actually it's kind of amazing that well,

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<v Speaker 1>was the was the guy who died the Marshall? Was he?

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<v Speaker 1>In the original forty eight.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, I don't know, but that, yeah, think you got

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<v Speaker 3>to subtract that as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, all things considered, it's amazing that it's been

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<v Speaker 1>such a low body count, right, A lot a few

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<v Speaker 1>of them would have killed each other by now. Sawyer's

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<v Speaker 1>living on borrowed time. I wonder if he has it

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<v Speaker 2>I just wonder we have, like, what, how many seasons

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<v Speaker 2>to figure it out? Six seven?

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<v Speaker 1>I remember a bleep load of seasons left, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>like twenty two episodes, so we're going to be doing

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<v Speaker 1>some neandering. I think they should put the they should

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<v Speaker 1>put the flash of the days like they do on

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<v Speaker 1>the in The Gentleman in Moscow. Yeah, how many days

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<v Speaker 1>it's been, or possibly how many episodes are left before

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<v Speaker 1>this result? How long will they be here?

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<v Speaker 3>Blip quite a while?

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<v Speaker 1>That might beary. So I when when Jack was trying

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<v Speaker 1>to get the casket on the plane, which just has

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<v Speaker 1>all sorts of implications, doesn't it If he was if

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<v Speaker 1>if he had gone on a different plane, would this

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<v Speaker 1>not have happened? Does the guy being on the plane

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<v Speaker 1>have something to do with what happened? I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>but he says, I need to bury my father and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, I know, man, I want to bury that

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<v Speaker 1>dude too, right a deep and he go, yes, I

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<v Speaker 1>just want to be done with this person please. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>Veronica Hammel is his mother. Oh my goodness. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure I would have recognized her if I

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, they just really didn't give that guy a

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<v Speaker 2>single redeeming second, did they.

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<v Speaker 1>They did not. They did not, Oh, poor Jack. And

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<v Speaker 1>then he came, rather like walk was transformed by the island.

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<v Speaker 1>Jack was suddenly the guy. He was decisive, he was

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<v Speaker 1>it takes, he had what it takes. Yep, just like that.

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<v Speaker 1>So so the island is doing things to people here.

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<v Speaker 3>I think again, Dad.

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<v Speaker 1>Stop walking into the jungle. I want to show you

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<v Speaker 1>what a decisive dude I am. Now they all look

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<v Speaker 1>up to me. Don't go away. Oh golly, So he

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<v Speaker 1>is just as screwed up as the rest of them.

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<v Speaker 1>Apparently he couldn't have just been one dude on there

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<v Speaker 1>who's just like Yep, I'm a I'm a good decisive.

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<v Speaker 3>Person in my life, regular guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm a regular guy. Good good uh doctor, good

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<v Speaker 1>decision maker. Trust me. Nope, everybody got to be tortured

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<v Speaker 1>one way or the other.

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<v Speaker 3>Yep, I gotta have those issues.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what makes it a show. So at the end

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<v Speaker 1>he says something about we have to live together or

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<v Speaker 1>die alone, which I think becomes kind of a catchphrase

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<v Speaker 1>for the show.

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<v Speaker 3>And makes sense.

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<v Speaker 1>Neither of those things all that appealing at some point, right, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll live together, But does that guy have to be here?

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<v Speaker 1>Can we pick the one? Can we live together like

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<v Speaker 1>a little bunch over here, right? Can we have a

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<v Speaker 1>contract with you to fight for us when they come through?

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<v Speaker 2>Can we have like well, I mean they were already

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<v Speaker 2>sort of dividing into factions right because they were like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>who was it? Sawyer's people have water, Charlie's people have water,

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<v Speaker 2>somebody's people.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, so yep, you know. Next time you

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<v Speaker 1>are on an airplane, look around at the people near

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<v Speaker 1>you and go, could I live with these people for

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<v Speaker 1>the length of a regular American TV show? I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe that one, not that one, not the guy who

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<v Speaker 1>keeps going in the bathroom, but so the person who's

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<v Speaker 1>drinking too much, not that one. I don't know. You

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<v Speaker 1>gotta gotta go with who you're stuck with. I guess,

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<v Speaker 1>which is also a parenting thing. You know, you take

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<v Speaker 1>your kids, get what you get, and then you have

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<v Speaker 1>to find a way to make it work.

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<v Speaker 2>All right.

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<v Speaker 3>And they don't get to pick you either.

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<v Speaker 1>No, they do not. I'm sorry, I ordered a good father.

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<v Speaker 3>What's with this one?

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<v Speaker 2>No?

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes you get the hotel manager from general in Moscow.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes you get the weasel. You know, there's nothing you

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<v Speaker 1>can do about it, but anyway, should be interesting to

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<v Speaker 1>see how they come to live together and also possibly dialogue.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll see said the rest of them are going to

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<v Speaker 1>survive all the way to the.

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<v Speaker 3>End, Yeah, every single one.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Well, next week we will be watching season one,

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<v Speaker 1>episode six of Lost called House of the Rising Sun,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a Sun episode appropriately, and so it's all

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<v Speaker 1>in Korean, so.

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<v Speaker 2>Get your reading glasses ready for those subtitles.

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<v Speaker 1>They'll just yell at real loud.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, I'm like, hey, look, I know Korean though.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank goodness for subtitles.

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<v Speaker 2>All right.

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