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<v Speaker 1>It's Nightside with Dan Ray on WVS Boston's news radio.

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<v Speaker 2>All Right, good evening, everyone, and welcome on into a

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<v Speaker 2>Tuesday night edition of Nightside. Nicole, Thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 2>As always, I've had a very busy day today. I'll

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<v Speaker 2>tell you about that a little bit later on during

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<v Speaker 2>this broadcast. We have some very interesting issues and topics

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<v Speaker 2>coming up Tonight. At nine o'clock, we'll talk with Massachusetts

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<v Speaker 2>Senator Peter Durrant. He's suggesting that he very well might

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<v Speaker 2>be a candidate for governor. Peter Durrant always has interesting

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<v Speaker 2>things to say. We'll talk to him at nine o'clock.

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<v Speaker 2>Later on tonight, we'll get your take on the phone

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<v Speaker 2>call today between President's Trump and President Prutin. Rob Brooks,

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<v Speaker 2>our producer, is back in the control room. He is

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<v Speaker 2>all set, and we are set for baseball. The baseball

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<v Speaker 2>season open today of all places, Jump in with us.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm delighted to be joined by I've always Brad go

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<v Speaker 2>to the Boston Globe Sports page. One of my favorite

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<v Speaker 2>writers and columnsts for the Globe, Peter Abraham. Peter, welcome

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<v Speaker 2>Tonight's that how are you and thanks.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a pleasure to be with you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, this Red Sox team made some moves late,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, after New Year's which are pretty interesting. And

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<v Speaker 2>I assume that you have been down there and on

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<v Speaker 2>the phone with your sources, and I know the Red

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<v Speaker 2>Sox have to go play a couple of exhibition games.

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<v Speaker 2>Corus said was quoted on the Globe today saying double

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<v Speaker 2>A competition in modey Mexico. Who they playing down there?

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<v Speaker 2>Some se my pro team or yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, the MLB is put together some international games in

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<v Speaker 3>the last few years, and they convinced the Socks to

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<v Speaker 3>go to Mexico to play the team in mont Terray.

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<v Speaker 3>And the Mexican League is is pretty much double A

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<v Speaker 3>slash triple A depending on what team you play. Ye,

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<v Speaker 3>and the Socks wanted to do something, you know, get

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<v Speaker 3>a couple of games in before they played in Texas,

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<v Speaker 3>and this was an opportunity to go to Mexico. It's

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<v Speaker 3>it's a pretty quick flight to Dallas from there and

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<v Speaker 3>then they'll start the season, so kind of a little

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<v Speaker 3>change up rather than staying in Florida for nextra day.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, I get it, but it sounded like some

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<v Speaker 2>of the regulars wouldn't even make the trip. I think.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the Globe story said that the shortstop wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>even make it make the trip. I'm sure there are

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<v Speaker 2>other considerations in terms of guys who are feeling aches

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<v Speaker 2>and pains after a month of spring training. Let's talk

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<v Speaker 2>about the roster. There's an interesting piece in the Globe today.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure if it was yours or or if

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<v Speaker 2>you contributed to it. Speculating a little bit on the roster.

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<v Speaker 2>It sounds to me like none of the three wonder

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<v Speaker 2>kids are likely going to make the major league roster,

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<v Speaker 2>at least for opening day.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think there's a chance Christian Campbell could still

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<v Speaker 3>make it as a second baseman. They're not quite decided

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<v Speaker 3>yet who they're going to have at second. But in

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<v Speaker 3>terms of the outfield and shortstop, you know, Marcelo Mayor

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<v Speaker 3>or the young shortstop who's eventually going to be the

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<v Speaker 3>regular guy. You know, whichever story there, You wouldn't make

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<v Speaker 3>any sense to have him be on the major league

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<v Speaker 3>team and come off the bench. They want him in

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<v Speaker 3>Triple A and Rob and Anthony and Dalfielder, who I

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<v Speaker 3>think has got a really bright future. If all three

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<v Speaker 3>of the outfielders are healthy, the guys they had back

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<v Speaker 3>from last year who all had pretty good seasons. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>they don't want Anthony to come off the bench either,

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<v Speaker 3>but both of those guys could sort of force their

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<v Speaker 3>way into the issue during the season that there's always

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<v Speaker 3>injuries that happen or things that happen, and eventually I

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<v Speaker 3>think you're going to see those guys in the big leagues,

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<v Speaker 3>but not to start the season.

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<v Speaker 2>So second base looks like Hamilton, I guess, right, at

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<v Speaker 2>least that's I think.

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<v Speaker 3>So, Yeah, he's played pretty well. They like what he

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<v Speaker 3>could do in terms of stealing bases, you know, adding

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<v Speaker 3>something to the lineup other guys don't have. But that's

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<v Speaker 3>still I think that's going to be something they're going

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<v Speaker 3>to wait, you know, until the end of spring training

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<v Speaker 3>to decide.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's talk about pitching, very very important. They have retooled

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<v Speaker 2>that staff. I love the pickup of the guy from

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<v Speaker 2>the Dodgers and of course the lefty from the White Sox.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know how they pulled that deal off, but

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<v Speaker 2>that was a a deal. Was that money big factor

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<v Speaker 2>in that deal? The fact this guy was going to

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<v Speaker 2>be a free agent and probably not going to stay

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<v Speaker 2>with the White Sox.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well, it was an interesting trade because Garrett Crochet

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<v Speaker 3>has two years left before he becomes a free agent,

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<v Speaker 3>so the Red Sox would certainly like to sign him

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<v Speaker 3>to an extension, but they're not up against a real

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<v Speaker 3>deadline in terms of that, and it's just a matter

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<v Speaker 3>of the White Sox knowing that they're not going to

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<v Speaker 3>be in contention anytime, trading their best player to get

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<v Speaker 3>four good young players back. And it was a deal

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<v Speaker 3>that the Red Sox had to be convinced made a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of sense because they gave up a catcher who

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<v Speaker 3>they thought was going to be their catcher of the

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<v Speaker 3>future and an outfield to who they had a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of high hopes for they had only in fact, he

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<v Speaker 3>never played a major league game after he get drafted,

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<v Speaker 3>he get traded, and so the Red Sox are taking

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<v Speaker 3>a chance. The White Sox took a big chance. But

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<v Speaker 3>Crochet is going to be the opening day starter. He

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<v Speaker 3>said he wants to stay in Boston. It wouldn't surprise

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<v Speaker 3>me if before spring training was over they were announcing extension.

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<v Speaker 3>And he's the guy they've been missing for the last year,

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<v Speaker 3>the real number one guy at the top of the staff.

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<v Speaker 2>So you got it.

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<v Speaker 1>One.

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<v Speaker 2>BeO is hurt. Cut a Crow, It's hurt obviously, Tan

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<v Speaker 2>and Hawk is fine. And the new guy for the Dodgers, Bueller,

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<v Speaker 2>who I think is a really good pitcher, is number three.

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<v Speaker 2>And now it looks like the guy they picked up

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<v Speaker 2>from the Pirates, as well as the young guy from

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<v Speaker 2>Middlebrough who pitched really well for the Braves for a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of seasons, a left hander. We may have an

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<v Speaker 2>interesting battle for the fourth and fifth spots in the rotation.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they've got two spots open and pretty much four

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<v Speaker 3>guys buying for those four spots. And that's good because

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<v Speaker 3>at this time last year they were really hurting for

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<v Speaker 3>starting pitching candidates. And then they have more than you know,

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<v Speaker 3>you never have more than you can use. But it's

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<v Speaker 3>good that they have some decisions to make. And Richard

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<v Speaker 3>fitz who was a guy they acquired from the Yankees

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<v Speaker 3>and the alex Erdugo trade. He pitched very well in

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<v Speaker 3>September last year in four games, and he's it's even

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<v Speaker 3>better in spring training. Sean Newcomb, who's from Middleborough in

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<v Speaker 3>the University of Hartford. He's bounced around a lot in

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<v Speaker 3>the last few years, but he's been very good in camp.

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<v Speaker 3>And they've got Quinn Priester who they are acquired from

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<v Speaker 3>the Pirates, and he's been pretty good as well, although

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<v Speaker 3>his last outing wasn't so hot. So they're gonna see

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<v Speaker 3>at least one more game from all all three of

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<v Speaker 3>those guys and then and they'll have a big decision

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<v Speaker 3>to make in terms of who's on the team to

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<v Speaker 3>start the year.

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<v Speaker 2>If I were Craig Breslow or my guy would be fits.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought he was tremendous last September. He was oh

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<v Speaker 2>ended up on and one, as you know, didn't get

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<v Speaker 2>a win, but could have easily have been four. And

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<v Speaker 2>oh uh and you I think have reported that he's

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<v Speaker 2>he's humped up the fastball this spring. Whatever he did

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<v Speaker 2>over the winter. Yeah, he's picked up some speed. I

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<v Speaker 2>guess I thought it's funny.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he's been very good. He's been very good this year.

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<v Speaker 3>And he can thank his wife for that, oddly enough,

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<v Speaker 3>because she had an internship in Boston and that started

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<v Speaker 3>in January, so they both went to January to Boston

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<v Speaker 3>in January, found a place to stay, she went to work,

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<v Speaker 3>and he went to Fenway Park and started working with

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<v Speaker 3>the strength coaches. And the pitching coaches and everybody else

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<v Speaker 3>who was there and was doing is throwing at Boston

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<v Speaker 3>College's facility, which is indoors, and when he showed up

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<v Speaker 3>at spring training he was thrown. Instead of ninety three

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<v Speaker 3>ninety four, he was ninety six ninety seven, and that's

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<v Speaker 3>made a big difference, and they feel like he's ready

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<v Speaker 3>to step up.

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<v Speaker 2>So of course we always asked the question. In the

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<v Speaker 2>in the American League East, he has some good teams,

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<v Speaker 2>but every team has their loss. The Yankees have tremendous

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<v Speaker 2>injury problems right now lost Garrett Cole. I assume that

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<v Speaker 2>the Red Sox are not going to be a five

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<v Speaker 2>hundred team this year. How many games can the Red

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<v Speaker 2>Sox win? Can they get over ninety with this?

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<v Speaker 4>Well?

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<v Speaker 3>I think if they Yeah, I think they could. A

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<v Speaker 3>lot of it depends on health. Of course, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>the Trevor story hasn't been able to stay on the field.

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<v Speaker 3>They need to, you know, to have those three guys

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<v Speaker 3>we talked about Crochet and Bueller and Tanner, how all

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<v Speaker 3>you know, give them good seasons because the pitching has

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<v Speaker 3>really been the issue over the last couple of years.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think, you know, you look at last year,

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<v Speaker 3>they were fourth in the American League and runs scored.

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<v Speaker 3>The issue really was pitching. So it's fair to think

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<v Speaker 3>they're going to be another team with a you know,

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<v Speaker 3>have a good offense again this year, and it'll come

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<v Speaker 3>down to, you know, that them being able to back

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<v Speaker 3>that up with the pitching, and like we were just

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<v Speaker 3>talking about, they have a lot more depth now than

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<v Speaker 3>they used to. But they are going to benefit from

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<v Speaker 3>the Yankees having a lot of injuries from Toronto kind

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<v Speaker 3>of being you know, in a bit of an uproar.

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<v Speaker 3>Not being able to sign the big free agents that

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<v Speaker 3>they wanted, Baltimore didn't necessarily add to their pitching staff

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<v Speaker 3>to the degree everyone thought, so the Red Sox could

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<v Speaker 3>be in a pretty good position going into the season.

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<v Speaker 2>Of the of the other teams in the American League East,

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<v Speaker 2>who do you worry about most other than.

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<v Speaker 5>The Red Sox, I think Baltimore because they have so

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<v Speaker 5>much good young talent and guys who could really step

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<v Speaker 5>up and be All Stars and they could sort of,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, out hit their problems with the offense that

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<v Speaker 3>And that's a team that's on the rise one way

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<v Speaker 3>or another. It's just a question of what year it hits.

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<v Speaker 3>They were in the playoffs last year. They're looking for

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<v Speaker 3>more this year, and they've got the good guys to

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<v Speaker 2>That's great, Peter, Thank you so much. Everything everyone needs

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<v Speaker 2>to know about spring training has just been encapsulated by

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<v Speaker 2>I just want to say, thanks so much, and we

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<v Speaker 2>got to hope this year. Look, I feel they were

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<v Speaker 2>eighty one and eighty one with a bad team last year.

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<v Speaker 2>They've improved this team. I see them between ninety and

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<v Speaker 2>ninety five wins. I know, people, I don't know what

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<v Speaker 2>Vegas has them at, but that's what I'm where. I

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<v Speaker 2>pick them between ninety and ninety five.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, they get from eighty one to ninety that that's

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<v Speaker 3>a pretty big step if they could do that, for.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, huge yet huge yet, Peter, thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 2>for us on nightside. I really enjoyed the conversation. Thank

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<v Speaker 3>You bet anytime. Dan, Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Peter. Abraham, Boston Globe Sports reporter. They get the best

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to introduce you to Kim Kerrigan, not that

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<v Speaker 2>she needs any introduction coming back here on Nightside. My

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<v Speaker 2>this of course is WBS Boston, Boston's news station ten

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<v Speaker 2>thirty on your AM dial. Get the podcast, pull the

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to Dan Ray, live from the Window World

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I spent a good part of my day with

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<v Speaker 2>Kim Kerrigan, welcome to Night's Side, just as you welcomed

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<v Speaker 2>me to Karragan and Company. You're a fabulous podcast today.

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<v Speaker 6>I am terrific, Thank you and thank you so much

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<v Speaker 2>Well, a little cross proportion the treat's been for me,

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<v Speaker 2>that's for sure. So tell us about you. You've worked

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<v Speaker 2>tell us about Kerrigan and Company. This is a podcast

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<v Speaker 2>which really is Boston centric. I was your guest today,

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<v Speaker 2>but other than me, you've had some real guests. Jolly Baker,

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<v Speaker 2>Lenny Clark was your first guest. What a way to

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<v Speaker 6>Absolutely, Well, you know, Dan, this was a This was

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<v Speaker 6>met him today. He's our producer, David Thompson. And David

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<v Speaker 2>It was, it was fun, it was upbeat. The time

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<v Speaker 2>just flew and I've watched a little bit. You've already

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<v Speaker 6>Absolutely, well, you can stream you know, we've I think

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<v Speaker 6>you just you know, we dropped one a week every Tuesday,

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<v Speaker 6>do it obviously with cameras. You were there today to

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<v Speaker 6>see that. But it's also available anywhere anybody gets their podcast.

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<v Speaker 6>So you guys, you know, are obviously part of the

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<v Speaker 6>and primarily, you know, Dan, that's been because people like

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's surely makes it different. We had a lot

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<v Speaker 2>She called me today and said, hey, I already saw it.

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<v Speaker 2>It was on. It was posted sometime I guess around

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<v Speaker 2>But I know what it's like to put something together.

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<v Speaker 2>And boy, David Thompson must be doing a great job

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<v Speaker 2>for you. You got it done.

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<v Speaker 4>You got it up.

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<v Speaker 2>So my listeners all over the country right now, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'll mention it again tonight a couple of nights. They can.

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<v Speaker 2>And for those of you who listen to me in

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<v Speaker 2>You can actually watch. And Kim is a former television

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<v Speaker 2>anchor person here in Boston, a beautiful woman who is

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<v Speaker 2>on advertisers. A lot of people that have podcasts, but

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<v Speaker 6>As you know what it's to do. It's the new

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<v Speaker 6>let's do it. But I will tell you Dan a

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<v Speaker 6>We can all, we can all do this together. So

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<v Speaker 2>Well you're in the fast lane now and never stop. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>So kim again. People just had to google Carrigan with

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<v Speaker 6>The Patriots and yeah, you know Celtics with Gross back

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<v Speaker 6>as a guest. I mean there's you know, if lots

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<v Speaker 6>of folks here in Boston, they're all they're all a

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna spend some time looking and checking out some

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<v Speaker 2>of the Karrigan and Company podcast. Kim, thanks for great

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<v Speaker 2>enjoyable day to day and thanks. We will hopefully see

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<v Speaker 2>each other soon and we'll talk soon. Thank you so much, and.

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<v Speaker 2>We have all that podcast stuff up there, which I

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<v Speaker 4>Or at least.

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<v Speaker 6>Thanks Dan, thank you, thanks so much.

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<v Speaker 2>Say hi to David for me. I appreciate it very much.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm doing all right, ladies and gentlemen. Again, Just go

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<v Speaker 2>to Carrigan and Company. You can find it. You can

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<v Speaker 2>listen to it, watch it. That's the thing. It's very

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<v Speaker 2>it's very cool, and you can move it along. You

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<v Speaker 2>today and it's up there for the world to see.

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<v Speaker 2>When we get back. Right after the news, We're going

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about naps. Well, the napping is good for

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<v Speaker 1>You're on Nightside with Dan Ray on WBZY, Boston's news radio.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, welcome back everyone, Thanks Nicole. Let us now

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<v Speaker 2>talk about something that all of us do every day

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<v Speaker 2>or night, and that is sleep with us as doctor

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<v Speaker 2>Patrick Porter, Doctor Porter, welcome to Nightside. How are you.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm doing well, Thanks for having me you very welcome.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome here. You're an expert in brain health and the

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<v Speaker 2>founder of brain Tap. Is brain tap your website or

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<v Speaker 2>what exactly is brain tap?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, they can go to website brain tap dot com

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<v Speaker 4>and theyn get some free tips on how to sleep better,

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<v Speaker 4>perform better. We use brainwaven trainment to teach the brain

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, great, Okay, let's talk about the subject at hand.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess we're talking about sleep dead. All of us

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<v Speaker 2>have had sleep dead at some point in our lives.

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<v Speaker 2>But I have always been a good napper. I can

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<v Speaker 2>nap in a helicopter, I can nap in a plane,

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<v Speaker 2>I can nap just about anywhere. Is napping good or

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<v Speaker 2>bad for the brain? Is there a definitive answer for that,

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<v Speaker 2>or does it depend upon the individual?

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<v Speaker 4>I think it depends on the individual. But we've done

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<v Speaker 4>We did a study with Googlers and Microsoft top performers,

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<v Speaker 4>and when they took their twenty minute break, they actually

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<v Speaker 4>performed better. They got twenty six percent more work done

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<v Speaker 4>during the day. So think about it. You take a

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<v Speaker 4>twenty minute break, you think you're doing nothing, but you're

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<v Speaker 4>really resetting your nervous system. You're getting out of that

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<v Speaker 4>fight or flight, and you're really building neurotransmitters that help

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<v Speaker 4>you to think and respond to your work environment better.

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<v Speaker 2>I do what I call a power snooze, where I

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<v Speaker 2>just kind of just chill, relax and kind of allow

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<v Speaker 2>myself to relax and I might be it'd be fifteen minutes,

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<v Speaker 2>twenty minutes max. Maybe on a good day, rapad day.

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<v Speaker 2>However you look at it, thirty minutes. Is the concept

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<v Speaker 2>of a power snooze what we're talking about when we

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<v Speaker 2>talk about naps or are you talking about somebody you know,

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<v Speaker 2>actually lying down. I can power snooze sitting up, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>slouching or whatever. But are you talking about you got

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<v Speaker 2>to stretch out to take a nap effectively? What I

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<v Speaker 2>hope up descri ya power snooze effectively?

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<v Speaker 4>Go ahead, Yeah, I think that's great. I mean, when

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<v Speaker 4>you think of Madison, there's stories of him. He used

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<v Speaker 4>to sit with an iron ball in his hand and

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<v Speaker 4>when that ball, when he dropped that ball, he knew

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<v Speaker 4>his nap was over and it would usually take between

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<v Speaker 4>fifteen and twenty minutes. And it's just if you can

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<v Speaker 4>just downregulate your nervousness. Universe, every cell is like a

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<v Speaker 4>piezo engine, which means it's squeezing energy out of that cell.

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<v Speaker 4>So the cell is either in protective mode or growth mode,

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<v Speaker 4>and we need to get it into growth mode and

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<v Speaker 4>that's what the nap does. So you learn how to

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<v Speaker 4>sleep efficiently. The problem is most people can't do that

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<v Speaker 4>if they don't get into the sleep cycle. And give

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<v Speaker 4>you an example, we did a sleep study in Australia

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<v Speaker 4>with coal miners. Their average night in bed was ten

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<v Speaker 4>hours before we get to study, but they only got

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<v Speaker 4>one minute of deep sleep, so they weren't really sleeping.

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<v Speaker 4>So it's not really time and bed. It's how quickly

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<v Speaker 4>can you go into that deep state. And if you

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<v Speaker 4>can cycle that quickly in fifteen to thirty minutes, you're

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<v Speaker 4>doing it perfectly. That's what everyone should learn to do that.

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<v Speaker 4>We call it wake and sleep control. But you can't

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<v Speaker 4>just you know, we teach people look at the clock

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<v Speaker 4>before you take your power and app and say, hey,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm going to get up in thirty minutes, and you

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<v Speaker 4>might have to do some rapid breathing or something to

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<v Speaker 4>get your you get psyched up a little bit because

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<v Speaker 4>you know, the brains. If you're not used to it,

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<v Speaker 4>the brain's going to want to take it through a

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<v Speaker 4>deep sleep cycle and you don't want to do that

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<v Speaker 4>in the middle of the day. It'll influ you're sleep

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<v Speaker 4>at night. But if you can do that little para

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<v Speaker 4>neep like you're talking about, studies show that you'll sleep

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<v Speaker 4>better at night.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, when we does the amount of sleep an individual

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<v Speaker 2>needs at night, does that depend upon what his or

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<v Speaker 2>her occupation is during the day. Does for example, a

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<v Speaker 2>professional athlete, a football player, a tennis player, or someone

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<v Speaker 2>who's off for that matter, of somebody who's a longshoreman, whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>who's working hard physically, do they need more sleep than

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<v Speaker 2>the person who's an accountant sitting in a desk all

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<v Speaker 2>day or does it?

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<v Speaker 4>I think it matters for the individual because it seems

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<v Speaker 4>like the more you use your muscles, then less sleep

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<v Speaker 4>you need. It's when you're sedendary and you've probably heard

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<v Speaker 4>the expression my kids are too tired to sleep. Most

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<v Speaker 4>people are too tired to sleep. Their brain doesn't have

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<v Speaker 4>the energy. And it's not like in a candy bar

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<v Speaker 4>that we need it. We need att which is the

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<v Speaker 4>energy of the cell, and that comes from down regulating

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<v Speaker 4>our nervous system and breathing. You know. That's why a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of people do like even doing a twenty minute

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<v Speaker 4>mindfulness exercise. You know, put some classical music out in

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<v Speaker 4>the background for twenty minutes and just relax. You're going

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<v Speaker 4>to find that you're going to actually gain energy by

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<v Speaker 4>doing that.

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<v Speaker 2>There was a period of time in my life where

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<v Speaker 2>I work odd hours. I worked in television, worked in radio,

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<v Speaker 2>and so I've worked the morning news shift and been

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<v Speaker 2>done at noontime, and I've worked the sixth and the

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<v Speaker 2>eleven o'clock news and television from you know, three to midnight.

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<v Speaker 2>Now we work for most of the day getting ready

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<v Speaker 2>to a show like tonight, I'm on the air until midnight,

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<v Speaker 2>and it takes about an hour for me to kind

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<v Speaker 2>of cycle down and get ready to go to sleep.

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<v Speaker 2>So at different times in my life I've found different things. So,

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<v Speaker 2>for example, there was a period of time when I

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<v Speaker 2>liked to take a real nap in the afternoon, and

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<v Speaker 2>then I some weight. About ten years ago, I got more,

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<v Speaker 2>got into the gym very regularly and never took naps again,

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<v Speaker 2>not what I say, naps real, not powers news is.

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<v Speaker 2>I still do powers newses, but the exercise, the regiment

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<v Speaker 2>of the exercise eliminated the necessity for the naps in

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<v Speaker 2>the afternoon. That sounds to me like what you're saying.

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<v Speaker 2>I just want to make sure it is what you

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<v Speaker 2>were saying.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you're exactly right. And you know, some people if

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<v Speaker 4>they take that, if they do sleep for three to

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<v Speaker 4>four hours. They can't sleep at night because they went

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<v Speaker 4>through actually you could probably go through two to three

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<v Speaker 4>sleep cycles and some people that's all they get at night.

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<v Speaker 4>We should do eight flight cycles of sleep. So when

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<v Speaker 4>like those coal miners are talking about, they were drinking alcohol,

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<v Speaker 4>right is the time they went to sleep, So they weren't.

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<v Speaker 2>We start there, and we were no, it's not good.

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<v Speaker 4>We showed them on the we showed them on the

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<v Speaker 4>sleep equipment we were using to measure that. They didn't

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<v Speaker 4>even start even trying to sleep for five hours because

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<v Speaker 4>the body had to metabolize all that sugar that was

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<v Speaker 4>in the bloodstream. You can't just sit there. You can

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<v Speaker 4>only have one tablespoon of circulating sugar. So that's the problem.

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<v Speaker 4>Why you can only drink. You should only drink like

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<v Speaker 4>one drink an hour if you're you know, if you

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<v Speaker 4>want to entertain and have a drink, and then don't

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<v Speaker 4>drink two hours before bedtime so that your brain can

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<v Speaker 4>that's that's all sugar that's going to the brain, and

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<v Speaker 4>it's it's a toxin to the brain. So the brain

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<v Speaker 4>has to deal with all those toxins, so it's not

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<v Speaker 4>gonna it's not going to sleep very well, just like

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<v Speaker 4>eating a big meal before going to sleep too. You

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<v Speaker 4>know it's not good.

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<v Speaker 2>So last question, how can you train yourself? I know,

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<v Speaker 2>I think the phrase is the good deep sleep is

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<v Speaker 2>called RIM, right, Iram? Is that correct?

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<v Speaker 4>There's yeah, Well RIM is your dreaming sleep. That's when

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<v Speaker 4>you process your day. You need two hours of that.

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<v Speaker 4>The deep level for sleep that I'm talking about, it

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<v Speaker 4>only comes in microburst and that's when that part of

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<v Speaker 4>the brain called the gli emphatic system opens up. So

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<v Speaker 4>those only happen in very small bursts. But the RIM

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<v Speaker 4>can last for fifteen twenty minutes. That's why we're gonna

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<v Speaker 4>have those vivid dreams and you know, things happen to us.

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<v Speaker 4>They're both really important. You know, if you don't get

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<v Speaker 4>both of those really pretty much anything else. They say

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<v Speaker 4>that the in the longevity studies six and a half hours.

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<v Speaker 4>But you have to be an efficient sleeper, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>So how fast can you get into that first level? Four?

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<v Speaker 2>This is a fascinating topic. If it's okay with you,

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<v Speaker 2>doctor Porter, we just do an interview during the eight

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<v Speaker 2>o'clock hour. We're in the East coast here, so we're

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<v Speaker 2>on from ad to midnight East Coast time. But I'd

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<v Speaker 2>love to bring you back some other time and talk

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<v Speaker 2>about sleep and allow some of my callers, some of

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<v Speaker 2>my listeners to call in with questions. Would that work

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<v Speaker 2>for you?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, that'd be great. I'd love to do that.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, give me the website real quickly, because I want

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<v Speaker 2>to have some people to get to the website and

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<v Speaker 2>learn a little bit, and we'll get you back in

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<v Speaker 2>the next couple of weeks. I'll have my producer get

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<v Speaker 2>in touch with your representative. It's brain tapped all one

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<v Speaker 2>word brain tap dot com. Correct.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, And there's a place time there where people can

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<v Speaker 4>go for fourteen days and get a free trial. They

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<v Speaker 4>don't get charged at all for the fifteenth day, so

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<v Speaker 4>if they don't like it, they just cancel it. But

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<v Speaker 4>it'll give them a chance to try some of our

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<v Speaker 4>techniques out. And then there's also a lot of free

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<v Speaker 4>things on my video Doctor Patrick Porter dot com, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>videos where I'm talking about it and things like that

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<v Speaker 4>that if you want to show it to some people.

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<v Speaker 2>Here sounds great, Doctor Patrick Porter, thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 2>I really enjoyed this segment. I learned from it which

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<v Speaker 2>to me if I learned from it, and I'm hoping

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<v Speaker 2>some of my listeners learned from it, and we'll learn

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<v Speaker 2>more when they have a chance to ask your questions

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<v Speaker 2>as well. Thank you so much for your time tonight,

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<v Speaker 2>and we'll be back in touch. Okay, thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 4>All Right, thank you, bye.

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<v Speaker 2>You're welcome. You're welcome. Now when we have it. Right

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<v Speaker 2>after the break, we're going to talk about artificial intelligence.

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<v Speaker 2>Everybody knows what it is, but it can steal your

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<v Speaker 2>voice and this is important and there's not much you

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<v Speaker 2>can do about it. I'm going to talk with an expert,

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<v Speaker 2>a technology and cybersecurity expert, about this phenomenon, artificial intelligence.

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<v Speaker 2>All sorts of positives. This is one of the negatives.

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<v Speaker 2>Back on night Side right after.

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<v Speaker 1>This, back to Dan Ray live from the Window World,

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<v Speaker 1>Nice Sighte Studios on WBZ News Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, all of us have heard about what's called artificial intelligence,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think all of us are developing some level

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<v Speaker 2>of understanding of it. But Ted Closer is a closer

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<v Speaker 2>of Klauser. Ted, let me get the correct pronunciation.

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<v Speaker 7>It's klouser klounser klauser.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, if you a pitcher for the Red sox out

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<v Speaker 2>of the bullpen. We'll call you a closer. Both. You're

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<v Speaker 2>Ted Klauser, technology and cybersecurity expert and CEO of PCA

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<v Speaker 2>Technology Solutions affirm that specializes in cybersecurity and data protection.

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<v Speaker 2>You were right here. You know so much stuff about

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<v Speaker 2>this sometimes don't even know where to start. I do

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<v Speaker 2>know that artificial intelligence can steal your voice, okay, and

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<v Speaker 2>there's not much you can do about it. I am

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<v Speaker 2>on radio twenty hours a week, so I'm sure that

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<v Speaker 2>my voice has been stolen in a number of ways

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<v Speaker 2>and there's probably not much I can do about it.

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<v Speaker 2>But why should I be worried about it? That's the

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<v Speaker 2>important question, and I know you have the answer to that.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, thanks for having me, Van. I think the major

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<v Speaker 7>concern is the technology is available now to be in

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<v Speaker 7>the hands of anybody that wants to put together information

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<v Speaker 7>that would really alienate yourself, myself, anybody that's on air.

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<v Speaker 7>It doesn't take more than a matter of a few

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<v Speaker 7>clips to be able to compile with today's technology entire conversations,

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<v Speaker 7>and it's really revolutionizing the way things are being done.

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<v Speaker 7>And it's quite scary, to be honest.

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<v Speaker 2>So I've seen I've seen recently, ohe some some fake

633
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<v Speaker 2>presentations where you have a coach or a baseball manager,

634
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<v Speaker 2>you know, talk derisively like they never would talk about

635
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<v Speaker 2>their players, and you watch the video and you say,

636
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<v Speaker 2>my god, Bill Belichick really say that about Tom Brady

637
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<v Speaker 2>And I'm serious, and it's beyond It's like, wait a second.

638
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<v Speaker 2>You know there's no way that but you know that,

639
00:32:10.000 --> 00:32:14.279
<v Speaker 2>you know whatever, amusing this as a hypothetical just to

640
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<v Speaker 2>make people understand what we're talking about Bill Brady. You

641
00:32:16.960 --> 00:32:20.079
<v Speaker 2>could rather Bill Belichick could get up and say, no,

642
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<v Speaker 2>Brady was an okay quarterback, but he would have had

643
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<v Speaker 2>no success without me all those years. It was me

644
00:32:26.720 --> 00:32:29.720
<v Speaker 2>that is responsible for the six Super Bowl wins and

645
00:32:29.759 --> 00:32:33.200
<v Speaker 2>it's Brady who's responsible for the three Super Bowl loss losses.

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<v Speaker 2>And they can create something that said that that looks

647
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<v Speaker 2>like it's genuine. What the hell sort of world are

648
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<v Speaker 2>we heading into here?

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<v Speaker 4>Dan?

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<v Speaker 7>Well, you're exactly right, Dan, and you throw video in

651
00:32:47.359 --> 00:32:51.240
<v Speaker 7>that's that's absolutely something that can be easily put together.

652
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<v Speaker 7>And you might be able to spot a dugree. You

653
00:32:53.480 --> 00:32:55.079
<v Speaker 7>might be able to spot a fake, But think about

654
00:32:55.119 --> 00:32:57.799
<v Speaker 7>the audio we take away, the visual cues we take

655
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<v Speaker 7>away the things that really can look out and say

656
00:33:00.319 --> 00:33:04.400
<v Speaker 7>that's not accurate voice is so much more believable. And

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<v Speaker 7>you know, as we continue to see these voice scams,

658
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<v Speaker 7>we're seeing the granny cam, the granny scams where we're

659
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<v Speaker 7>essentially having the elderly being at risk. We're seeing potential

660
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<v Speaker 7>ransoms of children, and it's just very concerning the things

661
00:33:21.559 --> 00:33:24.079
<v Speaker 7>that we're already seeing. And I think it's only going

662
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<v Speaker 7>to get better. As Jenner today, I continues to improve

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<v Speaker 7>and these solutions are put in the hands of more

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<v Speaker 7>and more people.

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<v Speaker 2>But the granny scam is not involved to my recollection

666
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<v Speaker 2>of this as artificial intelligence. That's the scam where someone's

667
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<v Speaker 2>calling from I don't know, Eastern Europe and they're just

668
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<v Speaker 2>speed dialing and you're saying Grandma, and if it's an

669
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<v Speaker 2>older person who picks up the phone, obviously, if it's

670
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<v Speaker 2>a teenager who picks up the phone, then can say

671
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<v Speaker 2>who are you looking for and hang out. But if

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<v Speaker 2>an older person picks up the phone and maybe Grandma

673
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<v Speaker 2>doesn't hear that well, and and they think, oh, that

674
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<v Speaker 2>must be the niece or the nephew. Is this you, billy?

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<v Speaker 2>And right away that's off to the races. Yes, it

676
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<v Speaker 2>is Grandma, but I'm in trouble. I got arrested for

677
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<v Speaker 2>I was I had marijuana and I don't want my

678
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<v Speaker 2>parents to know. Could you send some money? As I said,

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<v Speaker 2>that's the granny scam right give me.

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<v Speaker 7>But now we're going to take it to the next level.

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<v Speaker 7>Right now, they're going to take a real voice of

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<v Speaker 7>the actual We're going to take a real voice and

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<v Speaker 7>actually a real story. So they'll call Granny and it'll

684
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<v Speaker 7>be their actual voice, and maybe they'll give Granny information

685
00:34:37.559 --> 00:34:40.719
<v Speaker 7>about real life things that happened last week, and all

686
00:34:40.760 --> 00:34:43.159
<v Speaker 7>of that can be very easily done with AI.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so how do they get the backstory? Meaning, in

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<v Speaker 2>other words, did they focus on did they have to

689
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<v Speaker 2>focus on somebody? I'm told that when you get a

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<v Speaker 2>phone call at night and you know it's a it's

691
00:34:57.480 --> 00:35:02.239
<v Speaker 2>somebody who's looking for whatever, that you shouldn't even say hello.

692
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<v Speaker 2>If you don't recognize the number and you want to

693
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<v Speaker 2>pick it up, just pick it up and let them

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<v Speaker 2>talk to you. Because my wife will say to me,

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00:35:09.480 --> 00:35:12.760
<v Speaker 2>if you say hello, they got your voice. Is it

696
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<v Speaker 2>that bad?

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<v Speaker 7>Well I think it absolutely is that bad. But Dan,

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<v Speaker 7>you and I are having a conversation right now. So

699
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<v Speaker 7>we're already a risk, right So I was going through

700
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<v Speaker 7>the answer my phone and not give my name for

701
00:35:26.079 --> 00:35:27.960
<v Speaker 7>a little bit, and then I thought, what am I doing?

702
00:35:28.039 --> 00:35:30.920
<v Speaker 7>My voice is already all out there, so for me

703
00:35:31.000 --> 00:35:33.880
<v Speaker 7>to take that extra step, really, isn't that helpful? I think,

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<v Speaker 7>you know, to answer your earlier question, how are they

705
00:35:35.719 --> 00:35:38.079
<v Speaker 7>getting the information? We're actually giving it to them. If

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00:35:38.119 --> 00:35:41.920
<v Speaker 7>you think about our social media platforms, we're voluntarily giving

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<v Speaker 7>them information about our lives that then can be used

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<v Speaker 7>against this.

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<v Speaker 2>How does this get controlled? I mean, obviously, when there

710
00:35:53.239 --> 00:35:57.719
<v Speaker 2>were people out there who are producing false passports or

711
00:35:57.880 --> 00:36:03.599
<v Speaker 2>false ideas, false drivers licenses, that's tangible and the police

712
00:36:04.079 --> 00:36:07.199
<v Speaker 2>can find out about it and in many cases people

713
00:36:07.239 --> 00:36:12.039
<v Speaker 2>get arrested and all of that. But is this the

714
00:36:12.039 --> 00:36:15.199
<v Speaker 2>the level of scams that all of us will be

715
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<v Speaker 2>able to do nothing about. I mean, you have to

716
00:36:17.079 --> 00:36:19.239
<v Speaker 2>answer your phone. I have to do my job as

717
00:36:19.239 --> 00:36:22.679
<v Speaker 2>a radio broadcaster. You have to do your job. What

718
00:36:22.840 --> 00:36:26.039
<v Speaker 2>can people do? You can't climb into a cave, close

719
00:36:26.079 --> 00:36:29.119
<v Speaker 2>the cave, the rocks and just stay the end of

720
00:36:29.159 --> 00:36:32.039
<v Speaker 2>the rest of your life. What can we do?

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<v Speaker 7>Well, Dan, if you are about to do that. That

722
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<v Speaker 7>will that will work. By the way, if you're able

723
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<v Speaker 7>to figure that out, thank you, thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just closing with the rocks. That's all go ahead,

725
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<v Speaker 2>And it's the it's the it's the darn bear. When

726
00:36:43.239 --> 00:36:45.440
<v Speaker 2>I go in the cave and half an hour later,

727
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<v Speaker 2>I realized there's a couple of beers in there, and

728
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<v Speaker 2>I've closed the thing off. No, what can we do?

729
00:36:49.119 --> 00:36:52.880
<v Speaker 7>What can we do something? Something's going to get us. Uh,

730
00:36:52.920 --> 00:36:55.440
<v Speaker 7>you know, the dark web obviously is a factor here.

731
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<v Speaker 3>Right.

732
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<v Speaker 7>Criminals will be criminals. They are still going to do

733
00:36:58.199 --> 00:37:02.039
<v Speaker 7>evil things. We have to actually be aware and recognize

734
00:37:02.039 --> 00:37:04.039
<v Speaker 7>that that occurs. But we can put some stop gaps

735
00:37:04.039 --> 00:37:07.000
<v Speaker 7>in place. We can lean into law enforcement to help us,

736
00:37:07.280 --> 00:37:09.679
<v Speaker 7>but we also need to have the companies that are

737
00:37:09.719 --> 00:37:14.280
<v Speaker 7>producing these solutions double down on what they're doing to

738
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<v Speaker 7>make sure that it really is authorized. For example, if

739
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<v Speaker 7>I take your voice and I try to create a

740
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<v Speaker 7>video or an audio message, I need some authorization or

741
00:37:26.559 --> 00:37:28.920
<v Speaker 7>they need some authorization for me that I have your

742
00:37:29.000 --> 00:37:31.639
<v Speaker 7>permission right now that doesn't exist, and we need to

743
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<v Speaker 7>do something to be able to at least say I

744
00:37:34.599 --> 00:37:36.840
<v Speaker 7>am the one that owns this voice. I have the

745
00:37:36.920 --> 00:37:39.079
<v Speaker 7>rights to it. You cannot use it without my pumps.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, it's funny. In radio, as you probably know,

747
00:37:44.000 --> 00:37:46.360
<v Speaker 2>there's a thing called ask me where we cannot just

748
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<v Speaker 2>pull music and put it on our radio station. The

749
00:37:49.920 --> 00:37:54.199
<v Speaker 2>radio stations have it agreement with asking artists, so they're

750
00:37:54.280 --> 00:37:58.599
<v Speaker 2>kind of protected for the commercialization of their product. But

751
00:37:58.679 --> 00:38:01.079
<v Speaker 2>they're like us. They're not protected for somebody who will

752
00:38:01.119 --> 00:38:03.840
<v Speaker 2>take their voice and maybe try to use that to

753
00:38:03.920 --> 00:38:07.440
<v Speaker 2>scam someone. You know, would you like to meet Ed Sharon? Hi,

754
00:38:07.599 --> 00:38:10.719
<v Speaker 2>this is Ed Sherion. Now you know, I'm going to

755
00:38:10.760 --> 00:38:13.159
<v Speaker 2>be in Boston and he was here last night as

756
00:38:13.199 --> 00:38:14.719
<v Speaker 2>a matter of fact, playing at a club on Saint

757
00:38:14.719 --> 00:38:18.000
<v Speaker 2>Patrick's Knight. People get used to that and they think

758
00:38:18.039 --> 00:38:20.880
<v Speaker 2>it's you know, all you got to do is buy special.

759
00:38:21.840 --> 00:38:25.960
<v Speaker 2>I think we're entering into the end of Eldess's Huxley's

760
00:38:26.039 --> 00:38:30.440
<v Speaker 2>brave New world where we could do nothing, and I'm

761
00:38:30.480 --> 00:38:31.159
<v Speaker 2>scared about that.

762
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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, I think it's very legitimate and a concern, and

764
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<v Speaker 7>I think that one of the things we have the

765
00:38:37.440 --> 00:38:40.559
<v Speaker 7>factor in it's your ask me example is a great example.

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00:38:41.000 --> 00:38:45.280
<v Speaker 7>The challenge is AI takes everything and puts it at

767
00:38:45.280 --> 00:38:48.239
<v Speaker 7>the speed of light. Right, So you've got one specific

768
00:38:48.280 --> 00:38:50.519
<v Speaker 7>thing you have to do, well, AI can do multiple

769
00:38:50.559 --> 00:38:53.639
<v Speaker 7>things that speeds you and I can only imagine, right,

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<v Speaker 7>So the risk is much greater.

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<v Speaker 2>This is scary, Ted. Whatever you're doing to help protect

772
00:38:59.159 --> 00:39:02.559
<v Speaker 2>me and every one of my listeners and everybody in

773
00:39:02.639 --> 00:39:04.960
<v Speaker 2>the world. Thanks. I know you're trying to keep up

774
00:39:04.960 --> 00:39:07.679
<v Speaker 2>with these guys. But uh, maybe some night I'll have

775
00:39:07.760 --> 00:39:10.679
<v Speaker 2>you back and we'll talk about where we're going to

776
00:39:10.719 --> 00:39:13.360
<v Speaker 2>be five or ten years from now. I mean, you know,

777
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<v Speaker 2>we never thought okay, yeah, no, we never thought that

778
00:39:18.440 --> 00:39:21.440
<v Speaker 2>we'd have to have cameras installed in our homes and

779
00:39:21.760 --> 00:39:24.159
<v Speaker 2>we could watch people who come up to the door.

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00:39:24.320 --> 00:39:26.920
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you know, fifty years ago you never thought

781
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<v Speaker 2>of anything like that. You hope your neighbors would keep

782
00:39:29.360 --> 00:39:31.880
<v Speaker 2>a lookout for you. So we got to get ahead

783
00:39:31.880 --> 00:39:34.360
<v Speaker 2>of the bad guys. We'll get back in touch with you, Ted, really,

784
00:39:34.400 --> 00:39:37.000
<v Speaker 2>Ted klaus or Ted, what what's the best way people

785
00:39:37.039 --> 00:39:38.559
<v Speaker 2>can get in touch with you and get in touch

786
00:39:38.599 --> 00:39:39.239
<v Speaker 2>with your company?

787
00:39:41.079 --> 00:39:43.239
<v Speaker 7>PCA Techsolutions dot com.

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<v Speaker 2>Pretty easy, PCA Techsolutions dot com. Ted Klouser, thank you

789
00:39:48.320 --> 00:39:49.960
<v Speaker 2>so much for your time tonight. It was a really

790
00:39:50.000 --> 00:39:54.440
<v Speaker 2>fascinating interview. We'll talk again, Thank you, sir, Thank you.

791
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<v Speaker 2>Good night. When we come back, we're going to talk

792
00:39:57.480 --> 00:40:03.400
<v Speaker 2>with Massachusetts State Senator Peter Durant. He's thinking about running

793
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<v Speaker 2>for governor in twenty twenty six. At least he's thinking

794
00:40:06.239 --> 00:40:08.760
<v Speaker 2>about it. He's not an announced candidate, but you might

795
00:40:08.800 --> 00:40:10.920
<v Speaker 2>want to listen and learn a little bit more about him,

796
00:40:11.000 --> 00:40:12.599
<v Speaker 2>or you may want to call and tell him that

797
00:40:12.960 --> 00:40:14.639
<v Speaker 2>it would be a good idea. We'll see what happens.

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<v Speaker 2>We're coming back with Peter Durant later on tonight. We

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<v Speaker 2>will talk about the telephone conversation between President Trump and

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<v Speaker 2>President Putin today and what your hope or apprehension is

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<v Speaker 2>of that particular event.
