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Speaker 1: Welcome to that Bigfoot Podcast, where we believe in free speech,

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open discussion, and having a laugh. If that offends you,

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well we're not sorry. We talk a lot and we

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stand by most of it, unless you're a snowflake, in

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which case just assume we didn't mean it. This podcast

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is a mix of truth, nonsense, and humor, so buckle

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up and don't take it too seriously. Listener discretion is

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Speaker 2: Swainey, No like you, boy, Hane.

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Speaker 3: What's going on?

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Speaker 2: Man? What what's up? Brian? How you doing, buddy?

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Speaker 3: I am busier than one armed paper hanger. I've been

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running around like crazy. All good stuff though. I just

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went out and bought some more birds, got some ducks

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to go with the baby chicks we bought last week.

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All is good, and it's beautiful day. I am really

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wishing there was some way I could figure out how

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to keep the sound like it is and record outside,

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because it is freaking gorgeous outside. I just want to

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be outside, and alas I'm stuck in here recording another

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episode of that Bigfoot podcast. What's going on with you?

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Speaker 1: Man?

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Speaker 2: Damn it? I hate that I am bothering you so

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much by having you come in here and record for

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all these beautiful, wonderful, loyal followers that we have. I'm sorry, Brian.

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Speaker 3: I love y'all. Now.

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Speaker 2: It's beautiful here in Tennessee as well. Absolutely loving the

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weather of my group.

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Speaker 4: Animal.

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Speaker 2: We're supposed to have went through the LVL last weekend

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for an outing. I'm sure most of the country knows

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about it, especially if you're in the eastern part. The

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massive storm system that came through. I'll tell everybody, it's

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my luck. We have been planning this trip since Black Friday,

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the day after Thanksgiving, when we went on our last

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trip before we left, we picked out a day in

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a place for this one three months. Three months. The

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weekend these hellacious storms come through was on that weekend,

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so we had to cancel it. Gonna make it up somehow,

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but I was so bummed out. All of our guys were.

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It really sucked. Safety first, there was a really bad weather.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's happened to me a couple of times. I

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do that camp out we did last year. We've tried

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to schedule a couple of other ones, but it's up

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in Marble, North Carolina with sheryl beautiful properties. She's got

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twenty somehit acres, but it's surrounded by thousands of acres

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of woods. Beautiful place. We had. The last one of

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those we had scheduled was when that massive storm system

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blew through the southeastern part of the country and just

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devastated so many people. We had to cancel it for

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weather because of that. So I don't know. All you

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can do is plan ahead. But we're trying to plan

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things now for October. How do you know you're trying

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to plan a two day outing where you're going out

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in the woods with a core group of people. A

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fuck do you know on March nineteenth what the weather's

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going to be on October fourteenth? Right, most things in

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October outdoors work out, But I've even been to some

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things in October and you get crazy storms and wind.

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You just got to figure it out as you go.

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But I know that sucks. I really hate it for you.

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I know you were looking forward to that trip. Maybe

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you guys can eventually come up here. We're trying to

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work here at the Big Foot Bungalow and get the

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outdoor work done, but again, it's very difficult to do,

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and we have so much content and so much other

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stuff that is going on. I'm just trying to find

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time to get out there and clear the area for

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the parking pad and then get some rock delivered and

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get that finished, because that's really all we got to do.

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Trails are cut in and the rest of it's just

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rustic camping. We're gonna get a little area up at

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what we call base camp together for like a fire

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ring and some chairs so everybody can sit around and

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jawjack or whatever. But maybe we can figure that out

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as we go. We shall see. Let's get into it, man.

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I've only got one voicemail, but it is our buddy

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long winded. I think I trimmed it down to about

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eleven minutes. I wish he gets to could see Wayne's

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face when I said eleven minutes, he was like, what

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Speaker 4: Wyne. Hey, brothers, this is Alan from Cadillac, Michigan. Just

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Lepathy stip. Oh my gosh, has got there's so many

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different levels we should talk someday. First of all, I

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think it's awesome that you are able to go back

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and change your stance based on more information coming in,

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as opposed to some people, they will die on that

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fricking ship. This is my thought. I love that your

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objectivity allows you to think outside that box or look

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at something different. Oh my god, based on the information

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that I've gotten, that has changed. So kudus to both

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of you and anybody who practiced that type of thought,

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because that is truly how we learn and advance as

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a speed. But yeah, when I've thought about that, I've

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dude who said he had shot a bigfoot and just

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a thought that what if he did? But his character

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is people automatically or didn't dismiss him. So whether he

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did or not, it doesn't matter, because we judge that

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book by its cover, so that even with Todd, if

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Todd has claimed that it opens that door of a

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little bit to maybe it is. It's the presenter that

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just washes out a good story. But you hear that

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so often. And the fact that you had mentioned the

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dogs we raise and breed European great dames and they're

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very sensitive, very emotional, sometimes soul suckers, but it could

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be funny. My wife, she works in the er, and

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she works like twelve at nude, twelve at night a

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couple of days a week, and quite often, as she

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will text me when she's coming home, just like verify.

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Hey I'm splitting. We use Life three six to track

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each other so that there's any issues, I know how

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to find her. But I'll get a text from her

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and I'll be sitting out in the room with the dogs,

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and the dogs they will wake up out of their sleep,

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and some of them will get up and not necessarily pace,

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but they'll get up and stretch your legs and look

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out windows and lay back down. And I think that

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they said, said their mom, their queen is coming home.

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they're I'm getting nantsy, and they're coming up by the

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kitchen waiting for her to come in through the door.

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are just behaviors that you see all the time. But yeah,

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why couldn't that, why couldn't that be a thing? You

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think you guys that touch space to it on that

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Ron Moorehead conversation where he's just he's not apologetic, He's ay.

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and that is true. And then with the autism, it's

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our son is highly functionally autistic, has very strong inclinations

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to music, has an incredible voice. But it's the telepathy.

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child that academia tells you that this kid's not in there,

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but they're in there. They just communicate differently. It's in

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a way, it's almost it's advanced. You look at it

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as a hindrance and I don't necessarily believe that it

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could be. And the fact that they would be able

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to connect essusually with the parent I'd be able to,

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that's absolutely beautiful. And in some ways you wonder is

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that the evolution, because that's something that we may have

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all had when it was more primitive and we needed

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to have these things in our lives to keep us alive,

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and then we just turned it off. And like you said,

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the school, it is what it is. It is just

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like you check boxes and move on. Can you add this?

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and some people naturally advance others. I just it sets

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a it's such a kind of a status quo, and

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there's a lot more that It struck a lot of nerves,

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it's that evolution because I don't want to get into

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the an alien thing too deep, but it just we

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are in an interesting time despite our political leaders, just

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where as an age of discovery, there're a lot of

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the old the old guard has left, but their work

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is amazing and they've had new minds taking off and

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taken it from there. It's the next step. The more

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we understand is this sick which realizes how little we are.

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like these things are potentially possible. We've all had those feelings.

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but you're out in the woods, I feel like there's

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a primal thing that kind of kicks into where you're

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more sensitive, You're more sensitive to your environment, and it's

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a kickback like I had my niece. She amaze young lady.

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really cool because my sister and I were pretty close

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Brianna was just young, she said that she reminds me

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of her. She sees things and she's things that she

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couldn't possibly know, and so she always nurtured that. But

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that's just your imagination. And then maybe some of it is,

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but there's a sense in there that I think adults

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will stagnate each child's growth, but just saying no, that's

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then it's back into public schools and that mentality. But

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she would see her great grandmother, and my grandma Merrit

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had died probably twenty five plus years never met Brianna,

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and she described her to a tea. She goes, yeah,

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I saw Nana, And she described that all the apron

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that she always wore. She said that in her left

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pocket on the front, and she had three pockets, but

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on the left pocket there was always candy in there.

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and I felt like there was something over in a

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corner in a chair, and I looked at Brianna as

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she was staring at that chair, and I didn't see anything.

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it Grandma? She goes, how do you know? So I

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she just smile and she goes, I think that's really

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cool that I'm able to see these things. I said,

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don't ever let go of that. And she just really

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realize that there is something more out there. We're all

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capable of much much more, but the world just has

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a way of putting us down. So to get back

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to the gist of it was, we'reing interesting new times

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and as we learn more about possibilities, I feel like

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we're gonna see a lot more advancements and what we

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really are, what we were meant to be. And yeah,

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I'm sure I have more. But got dogs outside doing

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stuff to each other, Not right, but anyway, thank you,

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thank you, thank you so much for this incredible podcast.

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You guys's efforts are fantastic and it is appreciated one

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and ten percent. I just had to listen to the

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telepathy episode. Yeah, holy Kyle, that is crazy, dude, So

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happy that you did that. You guys never ceased to

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help me change my mental direction at times, because I

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think I've said this before, but there's the telepathy thing.

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I've scoffed at it, but I've known in different circumstances

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that I believe that it's real. I've experienced it myself

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with people. I've seen people who did it. I've seen

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autistic children so acknowledged it existing on a human level

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at different areas. I've listened to different types of seminars

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and reports of people talking about exactly what you were

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talking about, and it's okay, that all makes sense, but

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in the Cooksville trolley was standing. I want to believe

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is stuffed, but he's he is his own worst enemy.

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or experiences or all, that would truly make the Sasquatch

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an exceptional creature. To have that offshoot and to have

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that ability. It's like with anybody. If you lose your

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vision and you're now blind, you're hearing, your sense of smell,

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you're touched, all that becomes heightened because you've taken one

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of your elements away that has helped you maneuver the world.

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that we probably had a lot of that in our

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early formation, and that was mostly just to stay alive.

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forest is probably a noisy ass place for Sasquatch if

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they or hided her, if they are picking up on that,

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they're hearing that, which would explain so much how they're

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hard to find. They're the masters of it and seek

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and they have an unfair advantage. Clearly, Yeah, that's and

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that was it. I would think of this as almost

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like it's a humbling lesson to where listen to everything

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and they don't necessarily have to react to it. Don't

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throw it out. This is all just information. But he

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gets in there. You put them on the backburn. But

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I've worked personally now to not dismiss and that doesn't

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It covers a bunch of different areas of life where

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it is an experience that you have an interaction with

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a human. Whatever it is that you do in life,

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don't dismiss that. Just hold on to it. It's a nugget.

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It's a little something that may or may not grow

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into something. But if you dismiss it, you could be

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missing the bigger pictures. So yeah, thanks again or going

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down that rabbit hole. I'm gonna have to check out

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that podcast and listen to more or two what that

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gal has got to say, because it's very interesting and

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dear to my heart. Thanks Gaver doing what you do. Brother,

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take care. Bye.

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Speaker 3: We thank you Alan for being short and sweet a

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kid because they live. Yeah, I whittled that down from

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three to five minutes voicemail, so it started out at

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fifteen minutes, so I whittled down some of the other

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stuff and I'm sure post edit it'll probably be a

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little less for you guys, but Wayne always gots to

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hear the full manties. He said a lot there, Wayne,

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But the gist of what I was getting from what

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Alan wanted to talk about was some of the stuff

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we talked about over here on that Bigfoot podcast and

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a couple of episodes I'll put out over on Sasquatch

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Odyssey talking about the possible telepathic communication that people experience

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or claim to experience with Bigfoot in the Woods. We've

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talked about that. I told you about the telepathy tapes,

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and I've been very pleasantly surprised.

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Speaker 4: I was a little.

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train to fucking Cookerville when I started talking about this

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over here and on my show. But I think it's

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an important topic, and clearly it's touching people and it's

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resonating with people in a certain way, and I know

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it certainly did you. We talked about it on the

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show already. But I think it's one of those conversations

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that I'm willing to have at this point and to

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continue to go a little further down that road. I'll

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be honest, I'm a little bit into possibly getting more

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people on my show that have had those kinds of

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experiences that want to talk about them, because I want

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to dig a little deeper. And now I know and

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have more information, and you as well obviously as interviewers.

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maybe ask some more follow up questions, some more qualifying

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questions and things like that, and maybe push that ball

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down the field and take a left turn from the

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straight and narrow of our apor background. How are you

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feeling about that? Just in general, stay.

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Speaker 5: Tuned for more of that big Foot podcast. We will

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be right back after these messages.

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Speaker 2: I do appreciate that horsemail, Allen. We kid about the

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link of it. It didn't bother me. It was very

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well done. I appreciate that couple things. Talking about the

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episode in itself, I said when we recorded that I

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was going to start listening to it that day, and

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I did, and I binged the hell out of it.

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It was so much better than I thought it was

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going to be. I can't wait for season two to

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come out. It's a beautiful thing. It really is. You guys,

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did it didn't come through on the episode when I

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talked about it and had to step away for a second,

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but I got very emotional. I had to make Brian

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start talking because I was sobbing thinking about these parents

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that have gone all this time thinking that there was

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no one there, that their kid was just gone. Just

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the pain that they had to feel, and then all

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of a sudden, you get that gift to know that

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they're there. The fact that they've been taught as sixteen

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seventeen year old kids, they're taught their colors and like

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their alphabet and stuff. That's ridiculous. These kids were the

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smartest people in the room and you're telling them their

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colors that. It's such a great podcast. Can cannot recommend

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it enough. It leads to the big foot stuff. She

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talked a lot about the pet whispers in the podcast.

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I don't know how you can doubt it. I don't

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know how you can listen to that podcast and go

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to the website and watch some of the tests. I

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don't know how you can watch that and come away

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doubting it. So if there is a sasquatch out there,

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and I know everyone listening to this podcast, Brian myself included,

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believe that there are most of you are knowers know

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that or a lot of you are knowers know that

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they're out there. This has to be taken serious. You

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have to take it serious from now on that this

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could be a possibility and a lot of things like

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that Alan spoke about in his voice smail about centuries ago.

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This could have been something that was common for all

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of us for survival. And as we've progressed technology and

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everything we can do now, we just we put it

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on the back burner and just something that we what's

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that saying, if you don't use it, you lose it.

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That's perfect in this situation. I would think we all

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have to be a little more open minded. I certainly am.

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I know Brian is as well. Before I shut up

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and we move on, a quick shout out to Alan, Alan,

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please get a hold of me, buddy, email me Wayne

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at Paranormal World Productions. I am a great Dane lover.

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I used to years ago. I've owned them my whole life,

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my whole adult life. I toyed with reading them several

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years ago and had a little bit of success with that.

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Stepped away from it that I love your ros and

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I would love to talk to you and maybe took

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me up with one. I don't know, but get ahold

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of me, buddy, I'd love to talk to you.

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Speaker 3: There you go. Yeah, I agree with you on the

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telepathy thing, man. That's why I mentioned it on the show,

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and I really after listening to that podcast, it was

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I don't know if you got the same weird I

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guess I'm just weird. It was this weird confirmation that

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I was listening to the right podcast when almost immediately

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I think it was in the first episode or the

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first part of the second episode, when they're introducing JP

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down in Atlanta in Georgia and they compared him to

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Sasquatch because of his size.

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Speaker 2: I remember that. I remember that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it was his mom saying that we

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called him the big Foot of the Sasquatch because he's

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six foot eight and over three hundred pounds. I thought, literally,

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in the first episode, I'm hearing the word Sasquatch and bigfoot,

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and of course they never talk about it again ever,

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it's not what it's about. But to be able to

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have that confirmation and keep listening just like you did

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and binge the entire thing, and twenty four hours I

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was done with the entire podcast because I thought it

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was that good, And I too, am waiting on season two.

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But I don't think anybody that listens to that and

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or goes to the website and checks it out the

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Telepathy Tapes dot Com can walk away from that and

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not believe that telepathy is one hundred percent real. Thus

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the question we posed, and I've continued those conversations with

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other people. If it's real for them, it could be

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real for us, It could be real for sasquatch. That's

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all I'm saying. All Right, let's shift gears a little

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bit and talk about somebody that was mentioned by Alan

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and his voicemail. We're not going to spend a ton

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of time up north, but we are going to talk

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about our buddies up north for a few minutes. Man,

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I get these notifications. I am not a YouTube guy.

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I've talked about that before. I post our stuff on YouTube,

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and I do YouTube things, but I don't sit and

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watch YouTube, right. We do it because we have to,

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because we do research and stuff for the shows. But

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outside of that, I'm just not a YouTube guy. But

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I do subscribe to a lot of channels. And I

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got a notification from Todd standing he did one of

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his videos where he's looking at evidence right, and the

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video was of It's clearly an older video that this

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lady supposedly took with this other gentleman, I think twenty

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twenty so five years old or so. In a nutshell,

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they're basically it opens up and you can tell this

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is a video camera because there's audio to it. And

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you know those older video cameras, you can hear when

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you're zooming in and out and it corresponds with the

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photo or the picture you're seeing in the video. So

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she's zooming in on something. I can only describe it

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as something that looks like an oversized Muppet character. This

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dirty grayish color could be fur, could be hair, could

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be feathers. You really can't tell. But as I said,

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there's audio on this video, and you start to get

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a little backstory as Todd's talking about this, and you

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figure out that there was a lady that was recording

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this on a video camera and there was a gentleman

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with her. They have a YouTube channel. It escapes me,

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but I will link to it, so you guys head

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over to the website Panamaara Productions dot com. Check out

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that Bigfoot podcast blog at the top of the page

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and I'll link to their channel and this video that

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I'm talking about from Todd's channel. But that said, they're

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standing there, it looks like maybe twenty five thirty feet

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from the woodline where this thing is, and they're not

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talking at all, but there's sound on it because you

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can hear the sound on the video camera. But they're

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not talking, they're not even whispering, and they think this

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is a bigfoot twenty feet away.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: So the video goes on and Todd's breaking this down.

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He's showing look, she's why she's zooming in. And then

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there's this weird cut in the a couple of minutes

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in where it cuts away to something and then it

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comes back to the picture. Weird cutaway. Why would you

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do that? Doesn't make sense? So Tod's narrating and he's

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making sense. He does this makes sense here. Everything he's

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pointing out makes perfect sense to me. This doesn't look natural,

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the movement's not natural. So he's breaking it all down.

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But the whole point I brought this up is to say,

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it is so ironic to me that I've seen Tid

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do this progression. Right. He was always known as the

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footage guy. He was the one that was producing all

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of these videos, these close up HD quality ten ADP

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videos of Bigfoot that he produces this documentary. Back we're

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twenty thirteen, so we're going on twelve years ago now,

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maybe twelve thirteen years ago when the documentary came out,

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and then he went into doing the expeditions and the

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YouTube channel, and it's progressed to he's now a mind

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speaker who's mind speaking with Bigfoot on expedition with people,

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and now he's working with influencers, bringing folks in like me,

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other podcasters, Instagram influencers, all this progression and then he's

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started I guess it was probably i'd say eight or

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ten videos back. He's taking order obviously AI images, because

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we talked about that video clearly an AI image of

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a Bigfoot, and Todd is stretching it into three or

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four videos where he's getting ten, fifteen, twenty thousand downloads

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per video talking about this person's evidence that sent it

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in with no backstory or whatever. But it just hit

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me while he was doing this talk about this video,

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it's helpful information for someone who's looking for that. If

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I were someone wanting to know if that were real

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or not, And I had thought about it, thought maybe

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I could use a second opinion, it would be useful

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to me the information he was offering. But he gets

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to the end of the video and he points out

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all the reasons that he thinks this thing is not real.

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Then he says, they admitted on this channel at some

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point they only went like a couple hundred feet actually

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into the woods where they recorded this. Then he points

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out all the reasons where he thinks this is a

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hoax because it doesn't make sense that's a bigfoot, it's

475
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:01,920
not a bit, it's not any of these things. So

476
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,400
it's got to be a hoax. And he doesn't think

477
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,960
that it's in an area where someone would be standing

478
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:11,759
to hoax them. So after Todd breaks all this down,

479
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:17,519
he deduces that they must be the hoaxers. So he's

480
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:22,759
now diagnosing the fact that these people hoaxed a bigfoot video.

481
00:25:23,319 --> 00:25:26,039
And it just hit me like a ton of bricks.

482
00:25:26,079 --> 00:25:30,920
I thought, this dude has balls the size of beach balls.

483
00:25:31,599 --> 00:25:35,319
To be the most, in my opinion, the most prolific

484
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:40,440
bigfoot video hoaxer that's ever been known to the subject

485
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:44,519
is now taking five six year old videos or wherever

486
00:25:44,559 --> 00:25:47,880
he gets these videos from. And now he is going

487
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:51,759
to be the one to tell the masses, his disciples

488
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:56,000
that these are hoaxed videos and this one's real. So

489
00:25:56,079 --> 00:25:59,880
you have the master of hoaxery now deciphering for the

490
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:05,119
rest of us minions what's real and what's not. It

491
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,880
just blew me away, man, And I thought, what a dichotomy,

492
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:12,039
what a mind fuck to be in this position in

493
00:26:12,079 --> 00:26:15,039
Bigfoot at this point, and these people are eating it up, dude,

494
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,920
hook Line and Sinker. You go read the comments of

495
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:21,759
these I don't know, sixteen eighteen, twenty thousand views this

496
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:25,519
video has already. They're eating it up because he's just

497
00:26:25,599 --> 00:26:28,799
spoon feeding them all the information that nobody would ever

498
00:26:28,839 --> 00:26:33,559
have were it not for Todd's standing. It blows me away, man,

499
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:34,920
I don't know. What do you think about it?

500
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:39,640
Speaker 2: That pisses me off? Man, It really does. Do you think, Brian,

501
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:45,160
that this is a conscious effort to take attention away

502
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:49,039
from him, hoaxing to him to point out other hoaxes.

503
00:26:49,279 --> 00:26:51,200
Maybe people will forget about what he's done.

504
00:26:51,599 --> 00:26:53,119
Speaker 3: I don't think that's it at all. I think it's

505
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,559
just for views. I think it's just for clicks on

506
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,559
his YouTube channel. At some point, what is he going

507
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:00,599
to keep doing. We've said it before, talked about it

508
00:27:00,599 --> 00:27:05,279
over here. Every live is just him saying the same

509
00:27:05,319 --> 00:27:08,559
thing that he's been saying for fifteen years. Of course,

510
00:27:08,599 --> 00:27:11,000
he's answering live questions in the chat, which are the

511
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:14,880
same questions that everybody asks for the last fifteen years.

512
00:27:15,519 --> 00:27:18,440
It's the same thing was should repeat and only so

513
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:20,599
many times? And if you look at the live numbers

514
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:25,440
on his downloads, they're way down from these sensational videos

515
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:31,359
that say new Bigfoot evidence discovered, Bigfoot baby scene in Wisconsin,

516
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:35,640
or whatever the headline is. He makes these clickbait thumbnails

517
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:39,000
and he gets the views from it. Those videos are

518
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:42,559
going to average twenty twenty five, thirty thousand views versus

519
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,920
a five or six thousand view live that he does.

520
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:50,279
It's just a matter of necessity for him to have content,

521
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:53,960
so what better way. It's brilliant. It's the same thing

522
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:57,640
these Instagram accounts do. There's several Instagram accounts. I'm not

523
00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:00,599
going to call anybody out by name because they're just

524
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:04,039
doing what they do. It's clickbait. Click it if you want,

525
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:07,319
but that's all they do. They recycle everybody's videos. You'll

526
00:28:07,319 --> 00:28:11,359
see sixteen different Instagram accounts will post the same video

527
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,480
with a little bit different text, and it'll say some

528
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:18,240
sensational headline, and it's the Russian Bigfoot video from twenty

529
00:28:18,279 --> 00:28:21,000
two years ago. It's the same shit. They just take

530
00:28:21,039 --> 00:28:23,920
it from other people's accounts and recycle it. So there's

531
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:25,880
always going to be some of that. We all do it.

532
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:27,720
I'm guilty of it. I'm not saying I've never done

533
00:28:27,759 --> 00:28:30,279
that on my Instagram because I do. Because guess what.

534
00:28:30,799 --> 00:28:33,720
When I was doing those experiments to see what clickbait worked,

535
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,400
it fucking worked because the proofs and the pudding. So

536
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:38,720
of course I do that. Everybody does it to an

537
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,319
extent back to your question. To answer your question, I

538
00:28:41,319 --> 00:28:44,200
think Todd is smart enough. I know Todd is smart

539
00:28:44,279 --> 00:28:46,200
enough to know what gets people to click on his

540
00:28:46,319 --> 00:28:49,279
channel and what doesn't. So now he's just following he

541
00:28:49,319 --> 00:28:53,079
sees that working on Instagram, he's just repeating it on YouTube.

542
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:55,359
I can do these what do they call it when

543
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,559
you're able to mirror what I don't know what it's called.

544
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:01,119
You can do it on TikTok, where you take somebody's

545
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,480
video and put your face up and you talk about

546
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:03,839
what's in.

547
00:29:03,799 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 2: The battle, like a yeah do it.

548
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, something like that, Yeah, do a duet.

549
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:11,279
Speaker 4: Yeah.

550
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 3: So he's basically just doing a duet from TikTok or

551
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:18,920
Instagram on YouTube where he's breaking down somebody else's footage

552
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,000
and people he's tied standing. He's got one hundred and

553
00:29:21,039 --> 00:29:24,039
eighty something thousand subscribers, People are gonna listen, people are

554
00:29:24,039 --> 00:29:26,200
gonna click. He can do one or two of those

555
00:29:26,279 --> 00:29:29,319
videos a week, make a couple one hundred dollars a video.

556
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,000
It makes perfect sense. It's a good business model for him.

557
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:36,079
The problem is it's like having Rick Dyer tell everybody

558
00:29:36,079 --> 00:29:39,480
what's a fake bigfoot body or not? Oh I found

559
00:29:39,519 --> 00:29:41,440
a bigfoot body? Who were gonna call it a See

560
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,480
if we can get disauthenticated. Why don't you call Rick Dyer?

561
00:29:44,559 --> 00:29:47,200
He knows what a real one looks like. The biggest

562
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:49,720
fucking bigfoot hoaks are in the world. Is going to

563
00:29:49,799 --> 00:29:53,160
come in and authenticate evidence. What world am I living

564
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,160
in right now? I feel like I'm in the fucking

565
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:56,119
twilight zone.

566
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 5: Brian.

567
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:01,839
Speaker 2: What fucking baffles me? Is you mentioned how many subs

568
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:05,160
he has one hundred and eighty something thousand however many

569
00:30:05,759 --> 00:30:08,480
I personally and I don't think you do either. I

570
00:30:08,519 --> 00:30:12,519
personally don't know anyone in the big boot community that

571
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,920
is fond of this fucker. No one that I know

572
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,440
follows him and thinks that he is legit and all

573
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:22,079
of his sightings are real, his video is real. I

574
00:30:22,119 --> 00:30:25,599
don't know anyone. So how does he have this many

575
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:29,519
people that are subbing? And like you said, leaving the

576
00:30:29,559 --> 00:30:32,240
comments that he said, these people are eating it up?

577
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,240
Who are these people? Where are they at?

578
00:30:36,119 --> 00:30:39,319
Speaker 5: Stay tuned for more of that big Foot podcast. We

579
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,680
will be right back after these messages.

580
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:48,279
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, he's got one hundred and thirty five thousand subscribers.

581
00:30:48,279 --> 00:30:50,960
It's not one hundred and eighty four. I misspoke. I apologize.

582
00:30:51,279 --> 00:30:53,079
Hut one hundred and thirty five thousand.

583
00:30:53,559 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, and shit tout.

584
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,079
Speaker 3: And here's the answer to your question. I think I

585
00:30:58,119 --> 00:31:02,920
don't think those are the regular bigfooters, right, because what

586
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:06,400
you're describing, or what you're talking about that believes anything

587
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,000
that comes out of his mouth or believes in his evidence.

588
00:31:09,519 --> 00:31:13,440
We're a minuscule amount of people in the overall scheme

589
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:18,279
of the population in the Bigfoot world or phenomenon. There's

590
00:31:18,319 --> 00:31:21,079
so many people that are interested in it, right, there

591
00:31:21,079 --> 00:31:24,559
are millions of people I would imagine just based on

592
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:28,039
what I think. I've never watched Expedition Bigfoot. I've never

593
00:31:28,039 --> 00:31:30,440
seen an episode, so I don't really know. But you

594
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,680
take a show that's as popular as that show appears

595
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,599
to be, say a million people a week tune into

596
00:31:36,599 --> 00:31:40,119
that show, there may be ninety nine percent of those

597
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:43,799
people who don't know what a Bigfoot podcast is. So

598
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:47,119
you have a million people that are invested in the subject,

599
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,880
but only when it has to do with what's on television.

600
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:53,319
They don't listen to podcasts, they don't read books on

601
00:31:53,359 --> 00:31:56,480
the subject, they don't go to conferences, they're not in

602
00:31:56,519 --> 00:31:59,839
Facebook groups. They simply tune in because they love that show.

603
00:32:00,359 --> 00:32:03,200
Then you have that other there's another population on the

604
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,599
Facebook groups. There are Facebook groups that we are in.

605
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,359
I know we're members of some of them together one

606
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:13,880
hundred and twenty five thousand members. I post something about

607
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:18,240
my podcast, one person will interact with that post, and

608
00:32:18,279 --> 00:32:20,000
one hundred and twenty five thousand.

609
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:21,519
Speaker 2: People lucky, if you're lucky.

610
00:32:22,079 --> 00:32:25,079
Speaker 3: If you're lucky, you'll get the one person, right, So

611
00:32:25,759 --> 00:32:28,119
that's one hundred and twenty five thousand people. Out of

612
00:32:28,119 --> 00:32:30,000
that one hundred and twenty five thousand people, there might

613
00:32:30,039 --> 00:32:31,720
be one hundred people in that group who know what

614
00:32:31,759 --> 00:32:35,240
a podcast is and actively engage in that content. So

615
00:32:35,519 --> 00:32:39,400
there's so many subgroups, I think, and Todd fills a

616
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:44,519
niche in a subgroup. He is like that Matthew Johnson niche. Right,

617
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:48,319
that's a niche Mike Patterson or other buddy from up

618
00:32:48,359 --> 00:32:50,079
north that we need to touch on before we get

619
00:32:50,119 --> 00:32:54,519
into this other video fills a niche in the Bigfoot community.

620
00:32:54,599 --> 00:32:56,480
He was one of the other people that popped up

621
00:32:56,480 --> 00:33:01,200
on my radar over the weekend with a new video

622
00:33:01,319 --> 00:33:05,400
on YouTube. And I'm talking about Mike Patterson from Sasquatch, Ontario,

623
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:08,440
from up north. They did the live a week or

624
00:33:08,519 --> 00:33:10,799
so ago. You and I talked about it. On the episode.

625
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:13,920
He and Dwayne were out at the cabin and had

626
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:17,079
all this activity with the footprints showing up and the

627
00:33:17,119 --> 00:33:20,880
marbles showing up out of the middle of nowhere, inside

628
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:24,720
vocalizations and inside gifting going on. Mike posted a new

629
00:33:24,799 --> 00:33:29,359
video of what the aftermath of the live. They had

630
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:34,839
aftermath level activity going on, so he posted the video.

631
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:38,079
It's basically just him talking about the audio that was captured.

632
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:40,880
If you recall, if you saw the video, you saw

633
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:44,240
that he had this rig out in the it's through

634
00:33:44,279 --> 00:33:46,920
the sun roof of his car where they're recording audio.

635
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:51,640
This entire video is nothing but darkness because there's no camera,

636
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,759
it's just audio, So you're looking at a dark screen

637
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:59,920
and you can hear Mike and Dwayne inside the cab

638
00:34:00,119 --> 00:34:02,839
been talking. After the live is over. They're sitting at

639
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,000
the kitchen table and they're jawjacking, just like you and

640
00:34:05,039 --> 00:34:07,400
I would about the live and all the things that's

641
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:09,800
been going on this that or the other. And then

642
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:13,920
you hear what sounds to me, honestly to be overlaid.

643
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:18,599
It doesn't sound like it's happening in real time in

644
00:34:18,679 --> 00:34:23,599
my opinion. These wood knocks, these weird banging sounds, all

645
00:34:23,679 --> 00:34:25,840
this stuff keeps going on, and it's like a fifteen

646
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,639
to twenty minute video where you get wood knocks and

647
00:34:29,039 --> 00:34:32,039
weird noises and what he says or sticks cracking and

648
00:34:32,079 --> 00:34:35,400
stuff like that. So you get in an aftermath of that.

649
00:34:35,559 --> 00:34:37,559
And he made a point to talk about the fact

650
00:34:37,559 --> 00:34:40,360
that he was very surprised that Dwayne made his first

651
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:44,320
ever appearance on camera, which I thought was interesting, But yeah,

652
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:46,320
they were just he was just reinforcing more of the

653
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:49,199
stuff that happened. He had more marbles that materialized out

654
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:53,119
of thin air inside the cabin, and the weird what

655
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,719
sounded like. Again, I'll link to it over on the

656
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:57,679
blog so you guys can check out the video I'm

657
00:34:57,679 --> 00:35:00,639
talking about. But it's just a whole bunch of nothing.

658
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,119
It's just a nothing burger Man. It just sounds random

659
00:35:03,159 --> 00:35:06,039
wood knocks and stuff. Then, honestly, like I said, it's

660
00:35:06,199 --> 00:35:09,000
very difficult to tell if they're overlaid, but it doesn't

661
00:35:09,039 --> 00:35:12,800
sound natural to me. And here's the thing that bothered me. Okay,

662
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:17,039
if the car's outside right, and you can hear plainly

663
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:21,719
in the audio, him and Dwayne are inside this cabin talking.

664
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:25,239
They're faint, it's not like they're right on the microphone,

665
00:35:25,559 --> 00:35:28,280
but you can still hear them pretty clearly on the microphone.

666
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,440
And then you can hear these knocks and these smacks

667
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,639
and these sticks cracking or whatever. Here's the thing I

668
00:35:33,639 --> 00:35:36,920
don't understand. He says that they didn't hear any of

669
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:41,199
anything that's caught on the audio. They heard nothing in

670
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:44,519
real time while they were inside. They heard none of

671
00:35:44,559 --> 00:35:47,280
the noises, none of the wood knocks, what he describes

672
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,519
a couple of times as distant whoops and vocalizations. They

673
00:35:50,519 --> 00:35:54,199
didn't hear that, no wood knox, they heard nothing. I

674
00:35:54,199 --> 00:35:57,039
found that a little odd that how are we able

675
00:35:57,079 --> 00:36:00,800
to wherever the microphones are positioned. If these knocks are

676
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,639
loud enough for the mics to pick them up and

677
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:08,079
pick you up inside talking, then that means the walls

678
00:36:08,079 --> 00:36:10,159
are thin enough that you should be able to hear

679
00:36:10,199 --> 00:36:13,639
what's going on with these big loud cracks. Right, Like

680
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:16,000
anything makes sense that they put out. It didn't make

681
00:36:16,039 --> 00:36:18,320
sense to me, But I just thought it was weird.

682
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:18,559
Speaker 4: Man.

683
00:36:18,599 --> 00:36:21,800
Speaker 3: Again, I just thought it was more buffoonery, just another

684
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,559
video that's going to make money because twenty thousand people

685
00:36:24,599 --> 00:36:26,079
are going to listen to this and think it was

686
00:36:26,119 --> 00:36:28,320
the greatest ideo ever captured, And I don't know. It

687
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:29,280
just pisses me off.

688
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:31,039
Speaker 2: Fucking tired of this shit.

689
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 3: I see it with just being little bitches now, I.

690
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,400
Speaker 2: Guess we are. We're beating our heads against the wall

691
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:42,079
where we're naggy little bitches complaining about these people that

692
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:46,960
are manipulating and lying to people making a pretty decent

693
00:36:47,039 --> 00:36:47,679
living at it.

694
00:36:48,119 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 3: I think I take it so personally because I think

695
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:53,239
I posted something about the documentary My Bigfoot Life's coming

696
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,840
out hopefully in the next month or so. We're going

697
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:57,880
to show a little clip of it that the Great

698
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:01,000
Florida Bigfoot Conference in Okala here on April the fifth,

699
00:37:01,599 --> 00:37:02,880
So if you guys are going to be there, you'll

700
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:04,920
get to see a little sneak peak of the documentary.

701
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,440
But here's the thing that bothers me. Like I posted,

702
00:37:07,519 --> 00:37:09,199
and again I take it with the grand salt. It

703
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:12,280
is in the Coalition for Critical Thinking group on Facebook.

704
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:15,400
But I posted about that it's a bigfoot documentary, but

705
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:19,039
the focus is not about Bigfoot. It's about Daniel, his autism,

706
00:37:19,039 --> 00:37:22,440
his journey through the bigfoot world, and his journey into

707
00:37:22,519 --> 00:37:25,880
looking into this creature. But of course the comments coming

708
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:30,400
in I post about this documentary, and then I think

709
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:32,679
I did a post. It was a new episode about

710
00:37:32,679 --> 00:37:36,679
the National Park Nightmares that I'm doing on Backwoods Bigfoot Stories,

711
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:38,480
and I've put a couple of them out over on

712
00:37:38,519 --> 00:37:41,920
Sasquatch Odyssey because people have really enjoyed those stories. And

713
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:44,119
I think I did a post about missing people in

714
00:37:44,159 --> 00:37:47,079
the National Parks and One of the very first two

715
00:37:47,119 --> 00:37:51,440
comments were grifter people calling me a grifter. I'm like,

716
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:55,760
how is me posting about real missing people? How am

717
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,119
I grift? How am I tricking people out of their

718
00:37:58,159 --> 00:38:03,440
money by creating and letting people consume it for free.

719
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,519
There's a difference in what we do, and there's a

720
00:38:06,519 --> 00:38:09,519
difference in what people like Todd and people like, in

721
00:38:09,519 --> 00:38:12,679
my opinion, Mike are doing. When you are creating hoaxed

722
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:18,719
evidence and you are perpetuating a hoax to make money,

723
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:23,599
you are grifting, right, Sharing people's experiences and telling your

724
00:38:23,639 --> 00:38:27,039
own experiences is not grifting people. It's just not. So

725
00:38:27,119 --> 00:38:29,320
there's a big difference. But I digress.

726
00:38:29,599 --> 00:38:32,119
Speaker 2: That's just fucking unintelligent, that's all that is. That's a

727
00:38:32,199 --> 00:38:34,960
stupid ass comment by someone that's not very smart.

728
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,119
Speaker 3: That's pretty much what I said in such nice words.

729
00:38:38,159 --> 00:38:40,400
You know how nice I can be. So let's get

730
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,039
into the meat and potatoes of what we're going to

731
00:38:42,079 --> 00:38:45,920
talk about here. Forty minutes in pre edit. So I

732
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:47,639
said this to you a couple of days ago. I

733
00:38:47,679 --> 00:38:51,159
think a link to another video that popped up on YouTube,

734
00:38:51,159 --> 00:38:53,599
man I said, for somebody who doesn't get onto YouTube

735
00:38:53,679 --> 00:38:56,119
much I've been all over it the last couple of days.

736
00:38:56,199 --> 00:38:59,039
It was for i'd call it opposition research for the show.

737
00:38:59,599 --> 00:39:01,679
But I was looking at this video and it came

738
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:05,800
in from It's Tob Johnson, who I didn't know had

739
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:07,599
any kind of a podcast. I didn't know he had

740
00:39:07,599 --> 00:39:09,360
anything to do a podcast, and but clearly they have

741
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:12,320
a podcast called a Flash of Beauty on YouTube. I

742
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:14,719
think it's him and Jill from a Flash of Beauty

743
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:18,880
do a podcast. And Toad was doing a live and

744
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:24,079
it said something about Bigfoot evidence, hoax revealed or something

745
00:39:24,119 --> 00:39:27,760
true story revealed something, some catchy phrase, right, So I

746
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,639
was hooked in. I clicked the clickbait, but it wasn't clickbait.

747
00:39:30,679 --> 00:39:33,760
He did give us some information and in a nutshell

748
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:35,719
for people who have no idea what I'm talking about,

749
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,159
because I had no idea what Toad was talking about.

750
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:40,079
And I don't think you had heard about this either,

751
00:39:40,559 --> 00:39:45,360
because frankly, very few people have backstory here before the reveal.

752
00:39:46,039 --> 00:39:50,119
In a nutshell, about five years ago, a Black Ops

753
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:58,039
military agent secret agents man came to these people and

754
00:39:58,119 --> 00:40:02,239
said that he had a piece of footage, particularly thermal

755
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:07,480
footage of a sasquatch running through the woods. Pretty intriguing.

756
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:10,880
Just that little tidbit is pretty intriguing, at least to me.

757
00:40:11,199 --> 00:40:16,280
And somehow gives them this footage of this Sasquatch on

758
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:20,239
thermal video running through the woods. And Tob even used

759
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:23,719
the creative how did he phrase it, He's gonna call

760
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:27,800
him the vid five or Bigfoot video five or something.

761
00:40:27,559 --> 00:40:28,760
Speaker 2: Like that, right, something like that.

762
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:32,199
Speaker 3: So these five people have this video and nobody does

763
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:35,760
shit with it. For five years. They sit on this

764
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:39,039
video until as we record this now I guess it

765
00:40:39,159 --> 00:40:44,199
was last Friday. This past Friday, Toab does a video

766
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:47,960
on his YouTube channel talking about this and he releases

767
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:50,920
the footage, or at least a portion of the footage,

768
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:55,280
and frankly, it looks like to me a bigfoot running

769
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:57,960
through the woods on thermal right at first, Atlanta, That's

770
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:01,239
what it looks like. That happens on Friday, And here

771
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:04,159
we fast forward to what we're really talking about today

772
00:41:05,119 --> 00:41:07,199
was a couple of days ago, which was on Monday.

773
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:11,960
Tob is now doing this live to explain this video

774
00:41:12,639 --> 00:41:16,239
because he now has the answer what this video really is.

775
00:41:17,159 --> 00:41:21,639
It looks like some throwaway footage from a nineteen ninety

776
00:41:21,679 --> 00:41:26,559
four episode of Unsolved Mysteries where they have a fleer

777
00:41:26,639 --> 00:41:29,880
representative on the show and they're talking about using flear

778
00:41:30,039 --> 00:41:35,400
to look for missing persons or escaped criminals, convicts, that

779
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,320
kind of thing, and they don't have video of a

780
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:42,559
bigfoot they have. For some reason, the producers or whoever

781
00:41:42,599 --> 00:41:46,760
filmed this, decided to put somebody in a bigfoot costume

782
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:49,760
and let them run under this fleer for whatever reason,

783
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:51,840
we don't know. I don't know the backstory on that.

784
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:53,440
I don't think Tob got into that. I don't know

785
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:56,480
that he knows why that was done. And then they

786
00:41:56,559 --> 00:41:59,719
just cut this ended up that portion of the video

787
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:02,280
that ultimately made it to the show that got left

788
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:05,039
on the cutting room floor, and whoever got a hold

789
00:42:05,079 --> 00:42:11,519
of it, this clandestined alleged secret agents man from the military,

790
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:16,159
tried to pass it off as some bullshit thermal video

791
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:20,559
of a bigfoot. The mystery was solved. Tobe solved the mystery,

792
00:42:20,599 --> 00:42:22,920
and that in and of itself is not None of

793
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,239
that shit is surprising to me because there's so many

794
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:27,639
I can't say so many. There's at least a couple

795
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:31,119
of shows out there that I have known of the

796
00:42:31,159 --> 00:42:35,639
hosts or people surrounding that show talking about having contacts

797
00:42:35,639 --> 00:42:38,719
in the military that know all about Bigfoot, but they'll

798
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:41,519
never come forward. They call them mister X or mister

799
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:46,280
Y or mister Z or whatever clandestined handle they give

800
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:49,880
them to keep their anonymity safe. None of that shit

801
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,639
surprises me. What bothers me, and what I really wanted

802
00:42:52,639 --> 00:42:55,320
to get into with you is this is something we've

803
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:57,880
talked about, and people roll their eyes and shake their

804
00:42:57,920 --> 00:42:59,880
head a lot of times when people like me say,

805
00:43:00,079 --> 00:43:02,239
I know you've said it too. I think there's so

806
00:43:02,519 --> 00:43:05,880
much evidence of Bigfoot out there that people don't release

807
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:10,960
for many reasons. The fear ridicule. Some people are afraid

808
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:12,800
of the government, believe it or not. I know it's

809
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:16,159
probably some tenfoil hat sounding bullshit, but I think there

810
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:20,079
is some legitimate fear in some people. But by and large,

811
00:43:20,119 --> 00:43:23,239
I think it just simply boils down to most people

812
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:26,679
don't want to hassle. But the flip side of that

813
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:30,079
is you have these people that are something, and I

814
00:43:30,159 --> 00:43:32,280
don't know all the people. Obviously, the only person we

815
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:34,360
know for sure that had a copy of this five

816
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:38,960
years ago was Tob Johnson, and none of them released it.

817
00:43:39,639 --> 00:43:41,840
The only reason he released it is he said that

818
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:43,840
he reached out to the person he got it from

819
00:43:44,039 --> 00:43:46,079
and that person said that it was okay for him

820
00:43:46,119 --> 00:43:49,960
to release it, so he did. But why is The

821
00:43:50,159 --> 00:43:52,800
big question for me is why this looks legitimate? If

822
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:55,159
you see this footage, it's good footage. It was done

823
00:43:55,199 --> 00:43:58,679
by obviously unsolved Mysteries is not a shabby show, right.

824
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,079
It was around for I don't know how many decades

825
00:44:01,119 --> 00:44:03,639
it was on television. These people know how to shoot video.

826
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:08,960
It's high quality, professionally shot video through this Fleer system. Now.

827
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,920
Albeit it's a very early version in nineteen ninety four,

828
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:16,400
but it's nonetheless it would be passable, much better than

829
00:44:16,599 --> 00:44:19,039
a lot of shit that we see nowadays. People would

830
00:44:19,079 --> 00:44:21,679
be eating it up if it were real, and all

831
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:24,480
five of them thought that it was real at the time.

832
00:44:25,199 --> 00:44:29,119
So my question is, and my frustration is with the

833
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:32,679
why did you not release it for us to get

834
00:44:32,679 --> 00:44:36,079
the answer? Because it didn't take long. Guess who really

835
00:44:36,159 --> 00:44:39,519
came up with the answer. Cliff Brickman knew exactly where

836
00:44:39,519 --> 00:44:42,519
it came from, and he told Toad that and Toad

837
00:44:42,599 --> 00:44:45,679
was like, holy shit, that's true. You can find it

838
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:48,920
there it is, there's the footage. It lines up, everything matches.

839
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:53,320
It's clearly from that nineteen ninety four Unsolved Mysteries episode.

840
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:54,360
Speaker 4: We could have.

841
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:57,599
Speaker 3: Done that in fifteen seconds and everybody moved on. That's

842
00:44:57,639 --> 00:45:00,199
how evidence. In my opinion in the bigfoot communit, he

843
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:05,239
should be shared and it should be dealt with. But

844
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:07,920
why would you secret squirrel that away? And I'm gonna

845
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,039
ac the only person I know to reach out to

846
00:45:10,199 --> 00:45:12,239
because that's the only person we know that had it

847
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:14,599
is Toab. I'm going to reach out to him and

848
00:45:14,639 --> 00:45:16,440
see if I try to get him on the show

849
00:45:16,599 --> 00:45:19,119
and talk about other things obviously, but get to the

850
00:45:19,159 --> 00:45:21,199
bottom of that and just say, why would you sit

851
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:22,480
on that for five years?

852
00:45:22,559 --> 00:45:22,800
Speaker 2: Dude?

853
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:26,880
Speaker 3: If you thought it was legit, high quality video of

854
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:30,119
a fucking bigfoot running on thermal, why would you not

855
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:31,360
release it?

856
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 5: Stay tuned for more of that Bigfoot podcast. We will

857
00:45:35,039 --> 00:45:37,039
be right back after these messages.

858
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:43,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I definitely get your frustration there, Brian. My

859
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:48,719
frustration with the whole thing was different. My frustration was

860
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:53,760
because you sent me the first video that he put

861
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:59,039
out of what he was questioning what was supposedly a bigfoot.

862
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:03,280
You and I talk, you know, exchange several text messages

863
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:07,760
about this. Anytime I hear anyone say black ops, secret

864
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:11,440
military people that can't come forward, I roll my fucking eyes.

865
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:17,079
It's bull shit. Okay, I've never heard anything real come

866
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:21,119
after those words. That's always a reflect for me. But

867
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:26,880
what bothers me is in that first video he talked about,

868
00:46:27,199 --> 00:46:32,039
like you said your credit, it looks good. It's good footed.

869
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:35,559
That looks like what we would expect a bigfoot to

870
00:46:35,599 --> 00:46:39,960
look like, running through the woods, taking giant steps. It

871
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:43,320
looks like arm swinging the way it should. It looks

872
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:48,000
like I was leaning toward him. I like this. And

873
00:46:48,039 --> 00:46:51,119
then to hear him say that, four or five people

874
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:54,599
that he reached out to and showed this, all of

875
00:46:54,639 --> 00:46:59,119
them said, hope, Now Cliff Bragman had the inside information.

876
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:02,519
He knew where this came from. Take Cliff out of

877
00:47:02,559 --> 00:47:06,559
the equation. The one guy he builds Flear drones or

878
00:47:06,599 --> 00:47:11,360
something for major TV productions and stuff. He talked about

879
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:14,800
the shadow on the shoulder or something as a dead giveaway,

880
00:47:15,119 --> 00:47:18,679
but maybe he has some inside knowledge. But the other

881
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:22,719
two or three that said hoax or they all said

882
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:26,960
very good hope. One person said very expensive, like one

883
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:31,039
hundred thousand dollars hoped, you know, just big time. They

884
00:47:31,079 --> 00:47:34,400
put a lot into this. And I'm thinking before you

885
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:37,320
sent me the second video where he reveals everything, and

886
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:41,119
after he reveals it, you're like, yeah, okay, shit, it's

887
00:47:41,159 --> 00:47:45,679
another crapper. But before I got to that point, I

888
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:48,960
was texting you and I was saying, man, if this

889
00:47:49,079 --> 00:47:53,920
is the case, then we just need to abandon the

890
00:47:54,079 --> 00:47:59,400
idea of thermal drones for bigfoot research, because this is

891
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:03,199
the best that we would get with a thermal drone.

892
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:05,320
And if these people that are in the know, he

893
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:08,039
called them experts, and you know how I feel there's

894
00:48:08,079 --> 00:48:10,199
no such thing as a big fed expert. That he

895
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:13,679
called them experts. If these experts, y'all can't see my

896
00:48:13,679 --> 00:48:17,440
finger in my ear quotes. But if these experts all

897
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:21,599
said hope, then why the hell are we even trying

898
00:48:22,639 --> 00:48:25,559
with a thermal drone? Because you're not going to get

899
00:48:25,599 --> 00:48:30,159
any better than this. So anytime anybody gets anything like this,

900
00:48:31,079 --> 00:48:36,199
the experts are gonna scream hope, So why are we

901
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:40,039
even trying? That's what bothered me most about this. Throw

902
00:48:40,079 --> 00:48:42,239
the rest of it away. It turned out to be

903
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:45,760
a hoax, But he didn't know that. These people did

904
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:49,440
not know that when they looked at the video, and

905
00:48:49,519 --> 00:48:51,639
that's the first thing they said, and that bothers me.

906
00:48:52,559 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's just people are so jaded, man.

907
00:48:55,559 --> 00:48:58,119
I think it's so much shit. It's so much of

908
00:48:58,159 --> 00:49:00,960
the Todd Standing stuff, it's so much of the Mike

909
00:49:01,039 --> 00:49:03,880
Patterson stuff. It's so much of the hoaxed bullshit that

910
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:07,159
people put out there. The Colorado train video, that's all

911
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:11,239
we get inundated with. It's almost like, if you're big

912
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:15,840
into conspiracy theories, it makes perfect sense. Disinformation is your

913
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:19,199
friend in anything that you're trying to dissuade people from

914
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:19,880
believing in.

915
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:20,199
Speaker 2: Right.

916
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:23,800
Speaker 3: It's used in wartime, it's used all the time in

917
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:27,119
the United States and around the world. Anytime you want

918
00:49:27,159 --> 00:49:30,519
to discredit something, you just put out disinformation. And I

919
00:49:30,559 --> 00:49:33,199
don't know that it's not being done on purpose on

920
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:35,719
some level by some people to put out all of

921
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:39,119
this hoaxed stuff. So when stuff does come forward that

922
00:49:39,199 --> 00:49:43,320
could possibly be real, now obviously this wasn't it, everybody

923
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:46,519
just immediately shrugs their shoulders and go, yeah, that's bullshit,

924
00:49:46,559 --> 00:49:49,639
it's not real, and you move on. How many times

925
00:49:49,679 --> 00:49:52,920
has that been done. I think it's just so many

926
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:55,599
people have become so jaded. I'm that way at this point.

927
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:58,440
I told you months ago after I had my experiences

928
00:49:58,519 --> 00:50:01,320
last year, and I know that these things are I'm

929
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:04,280
on a different level when it comes to even giving

930
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:08,000
a shit about evidence, frankly, but I tell you, I'm

931
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:09,719
glad we got a couple of minutes here. This is

932
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:11,400
something I want to get in here because people have

933
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:13,440
been asking me about this forever and I'll probably have

934
00:50:13,519 --> 00:50:15,679
to do something on my show. I've been playing phone

935
00:50:15,679 --> 00:50:18,400
tag with Cliff for months, and he finally called me

936
00:50:18,679 --> 00:50:20,880
a couple of days ago, so we got a chance

937
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:22,239
to catch up. We talked for an hour and a

938
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:25,079
half about everything. It was just a cool catchup. But

939
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:27,320
one of the things that I asked him was, hey, man,

940
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:31,440
I have not talked to Jeff Meldrum in months. He's

941
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:34,159
been radio silent. I've been trying to get to him

942
00:50:34,199 --> 00:50:36,559
to ask him what he thought about the scans and

943
00:50:36,679 --> 00:50:39,239
my cast that were cast here on the property a

944
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:42,039
couple of years ago. And Cliff said, oh, yeah, I've

945
00:50:42,159 --> 00:50:44,880
talked to Jeff one time in about four months. But

946
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:48,239
he did talk to him recently about my cast, and

947
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:51,880
they agreed that. I think I can quote, they look

948
00:50:52,519 --> 00:50:56,599
great and they're real end quote. So for anybody who

949
00:50:56,639 --> 00:50:59,639
is wondering what Cliff Brackman and Jeff Melden think about

950
00:50:59,639 --> 00:51:01,679
the cast that we're done on my property, there you

951
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:04,800
have it. But the bigger part of that conversation goes

952
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:07,440
into what we're talking about now, which is evidence. Obviously

953
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:10,519
I'm experiencing it with that because I said to Cliff,

954
00:51:10,559 --> 00:51:13,519
I said, I feel like a fool like trying to

955
00:51:14,159 --> 00:51:17,639
hander or or get Jeff's opinion on this and even

956
00:51:17,679 --> 00:51:21,119
yours to an extent. I feel like a dumbass really

957
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:25,360
hounding him to get his opinion. But it's important. And

958
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:27,800
Cliff said, dude, you shouldn't feel that way at all.

959
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:30,239
He said, I've done that. He said, I still do that.

960
00:51:30,559 --> 00:51:33,000
If I get a cast or something I know is real,

961
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:35,960
it's always great to show it to somebody like Jeff

962
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:39,239
because he's going to give his opinion and now what.

963
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:42,679
And that's what I want to focus on about this conversation.

964
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:45,960
I always take something away. I think I've said it

965
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:48,199
to you privately, and I probably said it on the

966
00:51:48,199 --> 00:51:51,920
show before. I aspire to be more like Cliff Brickman

967
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:54,960
when I get older, because he has life figured out.

968
00:51:55,119 --> 00:51:57,440
And he said to me about the evidence, So what

969
00:51:57,559 --> 00:51:59,559
if I said they're real? And Jeff said they're real?

970
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:02,320
Now what? And I just stopped for a second and

971
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:04,000
I literally wrote it on a pad as I was

972
00:52:04,039 --> 00:52:07,119
talking to him. He said, it's the same with everything

973
00:52:07,159 --> 00:52:11,360
in Bigfoot Man. It's the same with everything in Bigfoot evidence.

974
00:52:11,679 --> 00:52:13,480
So what if you find out that a piece of

975
00:52:13,559 --> 00:52:15,079
video is not real?

976
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:16,119
Speaker 4: Now what?

977
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:20,199
Speaker 3: And it's more about what you do next in your journey.

978
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:23,480
It's about what you get from what you hear or

979
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:25,920
what's real and what's not and what you do with it.

980
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:30,199
So I am focusing on the now what in my life.

981
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:33,239
That's what I took away from that conversation with Cliff

982
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:36,199
is you know everybody. The first thing they said to

983
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:38,519
me when I put those casts out there for the

984
00:52:38,519 --> 00:52:40,760
public to take a look at and scrutinize, if you

985
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:42,880
want a copy, you can get a copy of my

986
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:46,480
cast if you have the qualifications and you're an anthropologist

987
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:48,519
and you want to study them and tell me what's

988
00:52:48,519 --> 00:52:50,880
wrong and what's right about them. I am open to

989
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:54,039
anybody doing that. I challenge anybody to do it. I

990
00:52:54,079 --> 00:52:57,079
have nothing to hide. But the first thing that everybody

991
00:52:57,119 --> 00:53:01,840
said to me was have they been verified by Jeff

992
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:05,960
Meldrum or Cliff Barrickman? And the person that everybody wants

993
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:09,960
to verify says, now, what, so what? I think they're real?

994
00:53:10,559 --> 00:53:13,239
Jim over here might think they're not. It's just all

995
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:18,440
a subjective thing, right, So I'm focusing on the and

996
00:53:18,519 --> 00:53:22,440
now what moving forward with me? So I'm still interested

997
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:25,679
in footcast evidence. I'm still interested, probably more so in

998
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:30,400
audio honestly, and certainly video and photographs. But man, the

999
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:33,679
shit that's out there now. Unless there's something that nobody

1000
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:36,760
has ever seen before, I don't think there's anything else

1001
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:39,840
really to talk about when it comes to evidence. I

1002
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:44,159
haven't seen anything except for this video, and there may

1003
00:53:44,159 --> 00:53:46,519
have been one recently that you sent me that I

1004
00:53:46,559 --> 00:53:50,119
had never seen before. But it's rare to ever see

1005
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:54,320
a piece of footage that hasn't been looked at by somebody.

1006
00:53:54,679 --> 00:53:56,440
Do you agree or do you think there's more out

1007
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:59,400
there that we could still argue about that nobody's seen yet?

1008
00:54:00,119 --> 00:54:02,880
Speaker 2: No? I agree one thousand percent. I've thought it for

1009
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:07,519
a while out Just like I said with the flear drone.

1010
00:54:07,639 --> 00:54:11,519
What's the point. What's the point in pictures anymore? What's

1011
00:54:11,519 --> 00:54:14,360
the point in videos anymore? We've seen it. Some people

1012
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:17,159
will say it thrill some people won't, will believe the

1013
00:54:17,199 --> 00:54:21,039
people that say it's not. You know, what is the

1014
00:54:21,119 --> 00:54:24,639
point in it anymore? I've been thinking a lot, Brian,

1015
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:30,119
what kind of evidence would it take? Take away the body? Obviously,

1016
00:54:30,119 --> 00:54:32,159
if someone brings in a body, that's going to prove it,

1017
00:54:32,199 --> 00:54:35,920
close the door, it's done. But as far as drone

1018
00:54:36,519 --> 00:54:40,639
or video, what would it take. What would we need

1019
00:54:40,679 --> 00:54:45,840
to see in a video to convent everyone? And I've

1020
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:48,760
got a theory. It just popped into my head. If

1021
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:51,800
I saw this, I wouldn't be able to argue it.

1022
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:55,400
What if someone had a video of something that looked

1023
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:59,639
like a big butt chasing down a damn deer, catching it,

1024
00:55:00,119 --> 00:55:02,880
killing it right there? You got it on either thermal

1025
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:06,440
or you got it on video. Could we argue anything then?

1026
00:55:07,039 --> 00:55:08,199
Because the human can't do that?

1027
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:11,719
Speaker 3: Very true, The only thing that would be argued is

1028
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:14,960
that someone created an AI video. There you go help

1029
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:17,280
them doing it. So, yeah, you're right. With the invention

1030
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:19,960
of AI and the advancements that are happening in AI,

1031
00:55:20,119 --> 00:55:23,159
they're getting better, most of them on Instagram or Facebook,

1032
00:55:23,199 --> 00:55:26,079
these reels or these memes that people put up, these videos,

1033
00:55:26,159 --> 00:55:30,280
they're getting better and better. Their whole channels with millions

1034
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:34,519
of subscribers that do nothing but create different AI videos.

1035
00:55:34,559 --> 00:55:36,480
I saw one this morning and I had to think twice.

1036
00:55:36,519 --> 00:55:38,880
I looked and it was like this one of these

1037
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:42,760
massive cruise ships and this huge wave was wiping people

1038
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:45,760
off the deck of the cruise ship. And I watched

1039
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:47,719
it and then it looped. And then the second time

1040
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:49,360
I watched it, I was looking at a guy up

1041
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:51,000
and he was doing some weird shit and I was like,

1042
00:55:51,079 --> 00:55:53,159
that looks like AI, And then I looked it was

1043
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:56,920
AI photos or AI video reels or something. It was

1044
00:55:56,920 --> 00:56:00,000
a whole channel where they just make these realistic looking

1045
00:56:00,119 --> 00:56:04,159
reels hundreds of thousands of likes. People are clearly eating

1046
00:56:04,199 --> 00:56:07,559
this up. But as long as that's continuing to happen,

1047
00:56:07,599 --> 00:56:09,880
and the more popular those kind of channels are for that,

1048
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:13,280
it's just gonna get better and better. With the AI technology,

1049
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:16,599
it's gonna get to the point. I still say most

1050
00:56:16,599 --> 00:56:18,800
of the stuff that I see online now, I'm pretty

1051
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:21,360
good because I work with AI images every single day.

1052
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:25,400
With the podcast, so I'm pretty decent at picking that

1053
00:56:25,519 --> 00:56:28,679
out pretty quickly, but some of it makes me think twice.

1054
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:32,840
But I can still usually differentiate between photoshop or AI

1055
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:35,480
or whatever. But it's gonna get tougher and tougher, so

1056
00:56:35,639 --> 00:56:37,280
I don't think it's ever going to get any better

1057
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:41,199
as far as trying to get photographs or video. That's

1058
00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:44,239
what happened when I started posting about the talking about

1059
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:46,599
my experiences and stuff down in Florida, and the first person,

1060
00:56:46,679 --> 00:56:48,599
I think it was in the coalition group where I posted,

1061
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:51,280
did you have your phone out when you saw this thing?

1062
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:56,480
You got a picture a video of it? No, dude, right, No,

1063
00:56:56,679 --> 00:57:00,440
I don't, dude. We were actually filming a documentary people

1064
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:02,239
in the area with cameras, but I don't know if

1065
00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:03,360
it was caught on camera or not.

1066
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:06,480
Speaker 2: You're there to fucking shoot a movie. There were cameras, dude,

1067
00:57:06,519 --> 00:57:07,320
shut up.

1068
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:09,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I should have taken my phone out and

1069
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:10,800
taken a picture of what.

1070
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:12,639
Speaker 2: I saw and it would have been more believable.

1071
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:15,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, we would have been arguing about that at.

1072
00:57:15,119 --> 00:57:18,599
Speaker 2: A fucking fourteen or fifteen or sixteen.

1073
00:57:18,159 --> 00:57:21,599
Speaker 3: Backup off my iPhone fourteen, bitch, Oh yeah, I get.

1074
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:24,480
Speaker 2: iPhone are believable. I'm still on the fourth.

1075
00:57:24,599 --> 00:57:26,800
Speaker 3: It looks like a tic tac, But yeah.

1076
00:57:26,679 --> 00:57:29,519
Speaker 2: My fucking iPhone would have been more believable than the

1077
00:57:29,639 --> 00:57:33,119
TV crew that I've got with me. Shut up, bitch.

1078
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:35,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know if you've seen any I don't think.

1079
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:37,320
Do you watch Expedition Bigfoot?

1080
00:57:38,079 --> 00:57:39,519
Speaker 2: I haven't in a long time.

1081
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 3: I guess they as far as i've heard through the

1082
00:57:43,599 --> 00:57:46,920
no I better not say that. The season finale just happened,

1083
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:49,639
and apparently from what I was sent there looks like

1084
00:57:49,679 --> 00:57:52,800
there's a clip of what looks like a bigfoot running

1085
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:56,440
through the woodline that they captured from a drone or

1086
00:57:56,480 --> 00:58:00,800
something overhead. Looks like pretty decent footage. I don't know

1087
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:04,039
exactly what they captured. I haven't seen any hubbub after

1088
00:58:04,159 --> 00:58:04,679
that anything.

1089
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:08,400
Speaker 2: Like the other fucking seasons, the season finale, you will

1090
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:11,920
have something interesting and then the next season will start

1091
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:13,280
and they won't even fucking bring it up.

1092
00:58:13,639 --> 00:58:15,320
Speaker 3: I don't know if they'll be doing that on a

1093
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:17,960
new season or not over there on Expedition Bigfoot, but

1094
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:20,519
I do know they'd closed out the season finale with

1095
00:58:20,559 --> 00:58:23,480
what looks like a bigfoot running through the woods. So yeah,

1096
00:58:23,519 --> 00:58:24,960
I don't know. I'd like to get hold of that,

1097
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:26,719
and maybe we can look at that at some point

1098
00:58:26,719 --> 00:58:28,840
in time moving forward and we can make our own

1099
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:31,599
judgment on whether it's real or not. Maybe we should

1100
00:58:31,639 --> 00:58:33,199
just send it to Todd and he can get back

1101
00:58:33,199 --> 00:58:36,360
with us and let us know. But as always, my friend,

1102
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:37,599
you get the last word on the show.

1103
00:58:38,079 --> 00:58:40,639
Speaker 2: All right, everybody, thank you so much for all of

1104
00:58:40,679 --> 00:58:45,440
the continued support for Smells. Please keep those coming emails

1105
00:58:45,559 --> 00:58:49,000
as well. The rating in the reviews, you guys have

1106
00:58:49,079 --> 00:58:51,519
sluped off a little bit, please pick that back up.

1107
00:58:51,679 --> 00:58:54,480
We would love to have some more of those. All right, guys,

1108
00:58:54,559 --> 00:58:57,440
until we get a chance to talk again, y'all, take

1109
00:58:57,480 --> 00:58:59,840
care of yourself, take care of each other.