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Speaker 2: Swainey, No like you, boy, Hane.
Speaker 3: What's going on?
Speaker 2: Man? What what's up? Brian? How you doing, buddy?
Speaker 3: I am busier than one armed paper hanger. I've been
running around like crazy. All good stuff though. I just
went out and bought some more birds, got some ducks
to go with the baby chicks we bought last week.
All is good, and it's beautiful day. I am really
wishing there was some way I could figure out how
to keep the sound like it is and record outside,
because it is freaking gorgeous outside. I just want to
be outside, and alas I'm stuck in here recording another
episode of that Bigfoot podcast. What's going on with you?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 2: Damn it? I hate that I am bothering you so
much by having you come in here and record for
all these beautiful, wonderful, loyal followers that we have. I'm sorry, Brian.
Speaker 3: I love y'all. Now.
Speaker 2: It's beautiful here in Tennessee as well. Absolutely loving the
weather of my group.
Speaker 4: Animal.
Speaker 2: We're supposed to have went through the LVL last weekend
for an outing. I'm sure most of the country knows
about it, especially if you're in the eastern part. The
massive storm system that came through. I'll tell everybody, it's
my luck. We have been planning this trip since Black Friday,
the day after Thanksgiving, when we went on our last
trip before we left, we picked out a day in
a place for this one three months. Three months. The
weekend these hellacious storms come through was on that weekend,
so we had to cancel it. Gonna make it up somehow,
but I was so bummed out. All of our guys were.
It really sucked. Safety first, there was a really bad weather.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's happened to me a couple of times. I
do that camp out we did last year. We've tried
to schedule a couple of other ones, but it's up
in Marble, North Carolina with sheryl beautiful properties. She's got
twenty somehit acres, but it's surrounded by thousands of acres
of woods. Beautiful place. We had. The last one of
those we had scheduled was when that massive storm system
blew through the southeastern part of the country and just
devastated so many people. We had to cancel it for
weather because of that. So I don't know. All you
can do is plan ahead. But we're trying to plan
things now for October. How do you know you're trying
to plan a two day outing where you're going out
in the woods with a core group of people. A
fuck do you know on March nineteenth what the weather's
going to be on October fourteenth? Right, most things in
October outdoors work out, But I've even been to some
things in October and you get crazy storms and wind.
You just got to figure it out as you go.
But I know that sucks. I really hate it for you.
I know you were looking forward to that trip. Maybe
you guys can eventually come up here. We're trying to
work here at the Big Foot Bungalow and get the
outdoor work done, but again, it's very difficult to do,
and we have so much content and so much other
stuff that is going on. I'm just trying to find
time to get out there and clear the area for
the parking pad and then get some rock delivered and
get that finished, because that's really all we got to do.
Trails are cut in and the rest of it's just
rustic camping. We're gonna get a little area up at
what we call base camp together for like a fire
ring and some chairs so everybody can sit around and
jawjack or whatever. But maybe we can figure that out
as we go. We shall see. Let's get into it, man.
I've only got one voicemail, but it is our buddy
Allen from Cat Black, Michigan, and he got a little
long winded. I think I trimmed it down to about
eleven minutes. I wish he gets to could see Wayne's
face when I said eleven minutes, he was like, what
the fuck? What are you going to talk about for
eleven minutes?
Speaker 1: Allan?
Speaker 3: I don't know. Let me hit play here and see
what we got.
Speaker 4: Wyne. Hey, brothers, this is Alan from Cadillac, Michigan. Just
got on listening to the latest podcast on the the
Lepathy stip. Oh my gosh, has got there's so many
different levels we should talk someday. First of all, I
think it's awesome that you are able to go back
and change your stance based on more information coming in,
as opposed to some people, they will die on that
fricking ship. This is my thought. I love that your
objectivity allows you to think outside that box or look
at something different. Oh my god, based on the information
that I've gotten, that has changed. So kudus to both
of you and anybody who practiced that type of thought,
because that is truly how we learn and advance as
a speed. But yeah, when I've thought about that, I've
rolled my eyes, like when I called in about that
dude who said he had shot a bigfoot and just
a thought that what if he did? But his character
is people automatically or didn't dismiss him. So whether he
did or not, it doesn't matter, because we judge that
book by its cover, so that even with Todd, if
Todd has claimed that it opens that door of a
little bit to maybe it is. It's the presenter that
just washes out a good story. But you hear that
so often. And the fact that you had mentioned the
dogs we raise and breed European great dames and they're
very sensitive, very emotional, sometimes soul suckers, but it could
be funny. My wife, she works in the er, and
she works like twelve at nude, twelve at night a
couple of days a week, and quite often, as she
will text me when she's coming home, just like verify.
Hey I'm splitting. We use Life three six to track
each other so that there's any issues, I know how
to find her. But I'll get a text from her
and I'll be sitting out in the room with the dogs,
and the dogs they will wake up out of their sleep,
and some of them will get up and not necessarily pace,
but they'll get up and stretch your legs and look
out windows and lay back down. And I think that
they said, said their mom, their queen is coming home.
And then usually a few moments before she shows up,
they're I'm getting nantsy, and they're coming up by the
kitchen waiting for her to come in through the door.
And we take that for granted as dog owners. These
are just behaviors that you see all the time. But yeah,
why couldn't that, why couldn't that be a thing? You
think you guys that touch space to it on that
Ron Moorehead conversation where he's just he's not apologetic, He's ay.
In the world of quantum, all these different things are possible,
and that is true. And then with the autism, it's
our son is highly functionally autistic, has very strong inclinations
to music, has an incredible voice. But it's the telepathy.
Oh my god, that is heartwarming. Can you imagine my
child that academia tells you that this kid's not in there,
but they're in there. They just communicate differently. It's in
a way, it's almost it's advanced. You look at it
as a hindrance and I don't necessarily believe that it
could be. And the fact that they would be able
to connect essusually with the parent I'd be able to,
that's absolutely beautiful. And in some ways you wonder is
that the evolution, because that's something that we may have
all had when it was more primitive and we needed
to have these things in our lives to keep us alive,
and then we just turned it off. And like you said,
the school, it is what it is. It is just
like you check boxes and move on. Can you add this?
Can you read that? And you're just like the other kid,
and some people naturally advance others. I just it sets
a it's such a kind of a status quo, and
I believe as we learn, we're going to find out
there's a lot more that It struck a lot of nerves,
A lot of thoughts came from this so amazing podcast.
But yeah, as I was saying, it's just it's like that,
it's that evolution because I don't want to get into
the an alien thing too deep, but it just we
are in an interesting time despite our political leaders, just
where as an age of discovery, there're a lot of
the old the old guard has left, but their work
is amazing and they've had new minds taking off and
taken it from there. It's the next step. The more
we understand is this sick which realizes how little we are.
But on the same note, as we discover that, it's
like these things are potentially possible. We've all had those feelings.
I'm not going to say I've ever spoken with the Sasquatch,
but you're out in the woods, I feel like there's
a primal thing that kind of kicks into where you're
more sensitive, You're more sensitive to your environment, and it's
a kickback like I had my niece. She amaze young lady.
She as a child she saw fatees and what was
really cool because my sister and I were pretty close
and I was and my sister had told me when
Brianna was just young, she said that she reminds me
of her. She sees things and she's things that she
couldn't possibly know, and so she always nurtured that. But
I think as children grow were like, no, that's silly,
that's just your imagination. And then maybe some of it is,
but there's a sense in there that I think adults
will stagnate each child's growth, but just saying no, that's
not how it is, you need to do this, and
then it's back into public schools and that mentality. But
she would see her great grandmother, and my grandma Merrit
had died probably twenty five plus years never met Brianna,
and she described her to a tea. She goes, yeah,
I saw Nana, And she described that all the apron
that she always wore. She said that in her left
pocket on the front, and she had three pockets, but
on the left pocket there was always candy in there.
We knew that as kids, but there were several times
where I was sitting with Brianna and I sensed something
and I felt like there was something over in a
corner in a chair, and I looked at Brianna as
she was staring at that chair, and I didn't see anything.
I just had a sense, And I asked Brianna, I said,
are you seeing something? She goes, yeah. I go, is
it Grandma? She goes, how do you know? So I
clearly it was a guess o there that I felt something,
and I knew that she had this connection. But then yeah,
she just smile and she goes, I think that's really
cool that I'm able to see these things. I said,
don't ever let go of that. And she just really
realize that there is something more out there. We're all
capable of much much more, but the world just has
a way of putting us down. So to get back
to the gist of it was, we'reing interesting new times
and as we learn more about possibilities, I feel like
we're gonna see a lot more advancements and what we
really are, what we were meant to be. And yeah,
I'm sure I have more. But got dogs outside doing
stuff to each other, Not right, but anyway, thank you,
thank you, thank you so much for this incredible podcast.
You guys's efforts are fantastic and it is appreciated one
and ten percent. I just had to listen to the
telepathy episode. Yeah, holy Kyle, that is crazy, dude, So
happy that you did that. You guys never ceased to
help me change my mental direction at times, because I
think I've said this before, but there's the telepathy thing.
I've scoffed at it, but I've known in different circumstances
that I believe that it's real. I've experienced it myself
with people. I've seen people who did it. I've seen
autistic children so acknowledged it existing on a human level
at different areas. I've listened to different types of seminars
and reports of people talking about exactly what you were
talking about, and it's okay, that all makes sense, but
dismissed it. With the Sasquatch thing, it's the players that
are involved with it, and unfortunately for me anyway, the
first person I really heard go down that rabbit hole
in the Cooksville trolley was standing. I want to believe
is stuffed, but he's he is his own worst enemy.
And I think because of that, if Todd says that
you automatically dismissed it, or you roll your eyes and
then you forget about the background that you may have had,
or experiences or all, that would truly make the Sasquatch
an exceptional creature. To have that offshoot and to have
that ability. It's like with anybody. If you lose your
vision and you're now blind, you're hearing, your sense of smell,
you're touched, all that becomes heightened because you've taken one
of your elements away that has helped you maneuver the world.
And then the colluplically thing. I would have to believe
that we probably had a lot of that in our
early formation, and that was mostly just to stay alive.
But it's the sensing. So I would imagine that the
forest is probably a noisy ass place for Sasquatch if
they or hided her, if they are picking up on that,
they're hearing that, which would explain so much how they're
hard to find. They're the masters of it and seek
and they have an unfair advantage. Clearly, Yeah, that's and
that was it. I would think of this as almost
like it's a humbling lesson to where listen to everything
and they don't necessarily have to react to it. Don't
throw it out. This is all just information. But he
gets in there. You put them on the backburn. But
I've worked personally now to not dismiss and that doesn't
It covers a bunch of different areas of life where
it is an experience that you have an interaction with
a human. Whatever it is that you do in life,
don't dismiss that. Just hold on to it. It's a nugget.
It's a little something that may or may not grow
into something. But if you dismiss it, you could be
missing the bigger pictures. So yeah, thanks again or going
down that rabbit hole. I'm gonna have to check out
that podcast and listen to more or two what that
gal has got to say, because it's very interesting and
dear to my heart. Thanks Gaver doing what you do. Brother,
take care. Bye.
Speaker 3: We thank you Alan for being short and sweet a
kid because they live. Yeah, I whittled that down from
three to five minutes voicemail, so it started out at
fifteen minutes, so I whittled down some of the other
stuff and I'm sure post edit it'll probably be a
little less for you guys, but Wayne always gots to
hear the full manties. He said a lot there, Wayne,
But the gist of what I was getting from what
Alan wanted to talk about was some of the stuff
we talked about over here on that Bigfoot podcast and
a couple of episodes I'll put out over on Sasquatch
Odyssey talking about the possible telepathic communication that people experience
or claim to experience with Bigfoot in the Woods. We've
talked about that. I told you about the telepathy tapes,
and I've been very pleasantly surprised.
Speaker 4: I was a little.
Speaker 3: Concerned that people were thinking I was hopping on the
train to fucking Cookerville when I started talking about this
over here and on my show. But I think it's
an important topic, and clearly it's touching people and it's
resonating with people in a certain way, and I know
it certainly did you. We talked about it on the
show already. But I think it's one of those conversations
that I'm willing to have at this point and to
continue to go a little further down that road. I'll
be honest, I'm a little bit into possibly getting more
people on my show that have had those kinds of
experiences that want to talk about them, because I want
to dig a little deeper. And now I know and
have more information, and you as well obviously as interviewers.
Now we can take it a little step further. We
maybe ask some more follow up questions, some more qualifying
questions and things like that, and maybe push that ball
down the field and take a left turn from the
straight and narrow of our apor background. How are you
feeling about that? Just in general, stay.
Speaker 5: Tuned for more of that big Foot podcast. We will
be right back after these messages.
Speaker 2: I do appreciate that horsemail, Allen. We kid about the
link of it. It didn't bother me. It was very
well done. I appreciate that couple things. Talking about the
episode in itself, I said when we recorded that I
was going to start listening to it that day, and
I did, and I binged the hell out of it.
It was so much better than I thought it was
going to be. I can't wait for season two to
come out. It's a beautiful thing. It really is. You guys,
did it didn't come through on the episode when I
talked about it and had to step away for a second,
but I got very emotional. I had to make Brian
start talking because I was sobbing thinking about these parents
that have gone all this time thinking that there was
no one there, that their kid was just gone. Just
the pain that they had to feel, and then all
of a sudden, you get that gift to know that
they're there. The fact that they've been taught as sixteen
seventeen year old kids, they're taught their colors and like
their alphabet and stuff. That's ridiculous. These kids were the
smartest people in the room and you're telling them their
colors that. It's such a great podcast. Can cannot recommend
it enough. It leads to the big foot stuff. She
talked a lot about the pet whispers in the podcast.
I don't know how you can doubt it. I don't
know how you can listen to that podcast and go
to the website and watch some of the tests. I
don't know how you can watch that and come away
doubting it. So if there is a sasquatch out there,
and I know everyone listening to this podcast, Brian myself included,
believe that there are most of you are knowers know
that or a lot of you are knowers know that
they're out there. This has to be taken serious. You
have to take it serious from now on that this
could be a possibility and a lot of things like
that Alan spoke about in his voice smail about centuries ago.
This could have been something that was common for all
of us for survival. And as we've progressed technology and
everything we can do now, we just we put it
on the back burner and just something that we what's
that saying, if you don't use it, you lose it.
That's perfect in this situation. I would think we all
have to be a little more open minded. I certainly am.
I know Brian is as well. Before I shut up
and we move on, a quick shout out to Alan, Alan,
please get a hold of me, buddy, email me Wayne
at Paranormal World Productions. I am a great Dane lover.
I used to years ago. I've owned them my whole life,
my whole adult life. I toyed with reading them several
years ago and had a little bit of success with that.
Stepped away from it that I love your ros and
I would love to talk to you and maybe took
me up with one. I don't know, but get ahold
of me, buddy, I'd love to talk to you.
Speaker 3: There you go. Yeah, I agree with you on the
telepathy thing, man. That's why I mentioned it on the show,
and I really after listening to that podcast, it was
I don't know if you got the same weird I
guess I'm just weird. It was this weird confirmation that
I was listening to the right podcast when almost immediately
I think it was in the first episode or the
first part of the second episode, when they're introducing JP
down in Atlanta in Georgia and they compared him to
Sasquatch because of his size.
Speaker 2: I remember that. I remember that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it was his mom saying that we
called him the big Foot of the Sasquatch because he's
six foot eight and over three hundred pounds. I thought, literally,
in the first episode, I'm hearing the word Sasquatch and bigfoot,
and of course they never talk about it again ever,
it's not what it's about. But to be able to
have that confirmation and keep listening just like you did
and binge the entire thing, and twenty four hours I
was done with the entire podcast because I thought it
was that good, And I too, am waiting on season two.
But I don't think anybody that listens to that and
or goes to the website and checks it out the
Telepathy Tapes dot Com can walk away from that and
not believe that telepathy is one hundred percent real. Thus
the question we posed, and I've continued those conversations with
other people. If it's real for them, it could be
real for us, It could be real for sasquatch. That's
all I'm saying. All Right, let's shift gears a little
bit and talk about somebody that was mentioned by Alan
and his voicemail. We're not going to spend a ton
of time up north, but we are going to talk
about our buddies up north for a few minutes. Man,
I get these notifications. I am not a YouTube guy.
I've talked about that before. I post our stuff on YouTube,
and I do YouTube things, but I don't sit and
watch YouTube, right. We do it because we have to,
because we do research and stuff for the shows. But
outside of that, I'm just not a YouTube guy. But
I do subscribe to a lot of channels. And I
got a notification from Todd standing he did one of
his videos where he's looking at evidence right, and the
video was of It's clearly an older video that this
lady supposedly took with this other gentleman, I think twenty
twenty so five years old or so. In a nutshell,
they're basically it opens up and you can tell this
is a video camera because there's audio to it. And
you know those older video cameras, you can hear when
you're zooming in and out and it corresponds with the
photo or the picture you're seeing in the video. So
she's zooming in on something. I can only describe it
as something that looks like an oversized Muppet character. This
dirty grayish color could be fur, could be hair, could
be feathers. You really can't tell. But as I said,
there's audio on this video, and you start to get
a little backstory as Todd's talking about this, and you
figure out that there was a lady that was recording
this on a video camera and there was a gentleman
with her. They have a YouTube channel. It escapes me,
but I will link to it, so you guys head
over to the website Panamaara Productions dot com. Check out
that Bigfoot podcast blog at the top of the page
and I'll link to their channel and this video that
I'm talking about from Todd's channel. But that said, they're
standing there, it looks like maybe twenty five thirty feet
from the woodline where this thing is, and they're not
talking at all, but there's sound on it because you
can hear the sound on the video camera. But they're
not talking, they're not even whispering, and they think this
is a bigfoot twenty feet away.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: So the video goes on and Todd's breaking this down.
He's showing look, she's why she's zooming in. And then
there's this weird cut in the a couple of minutes
in where it cuts away to something and then it
comes back to the picture. Weird cutaway. Why would you
do that? Doesn't make sense? So Tod's narrating and he's
making sense. He does this makes sense here. Everything he's
pointing out makes perfect sense to me. This doesn't look natural,
the movement's not natural. So he's breaking it all down.
But the whole point I brought this up is to say,
it is so ironic to me that I've seen Tid
do this progression. Right. He was always known as the
footage guy. He was the one that was producing all
of these videos, these close up HD quality ten ADP
videos of Bigfoot that he produces this documentary. Back we're
twenty thirteen, so we're going on twelve years ago now,
maybe twelve thirteen years ago when the documentary came out,
and then he went into doing the expeditions and the
YouTube channel, and it's progressed to he's now a mind
speaker who's mind speaking with Bigfoot on expedition with people,
and now he's working with influencers, bringing folks in like me,
other podcasters, Instagram influencers, all this progression and then he's
started I guess it was probably i'd say eight or
ten videos back. He's taking order obviously AI images, because
we talked about that video clearly an AI image of
a Bigfoot, and Todd is stretching it into three or
four videos where he's getting ten, fifteen, twenty thousand downloads
per video talking about this person's evidence that sent it
in with no backstory or whatever. But it just hit
me while he was doing this talk about this video,
it's helpful information for someone who's looking for that. If
I were someone wanting to know if that were real
or not, And I had thought about it, thought maybe
I could use a second opinion, it would be useful
to me the information he was offering. But he gets
to the end of the video and he points out
all the reasons that he thinks this thing is not real.
Then he says, they admitted on this channel at some
point they only went like a couple hundred feet actually
into the woods where they recorded this. Then he points
out all the reasons where he thinks this is a
hoax because it doesn't make sense that's a bigfoot, it's
not a bit, it's not any of these things. So
it's got to be a hoax. And he doesn't think
that it's in an area where someone would be standing
to hoax them. So after Todd breaks all this down,
he deduces that they must be the hoaxers. So he's
now diagnosing the fact that these people hoaxed a bigfoot video.
And it just hit me like a ton of bricks.
I thought, this dude has balls the size of beach balls.
To be the most, in my opinion, the most prolific
bigfoot video hoaxer that's ever been known to the subject
is now taking five six year old videos or wherever
he gets these videos from. And now he is going
to be the one to tell the masses, his disciples
that these are hoaxed videos and this one's real. So
you have the master of hoaxery now deciphering for the
rest of us minions what's real and what's not. It
just blew me away, man, And I thought, what a dichotomy,
what a mind fuck to be in this position in
Bigfoot at this point, and these people are eating it up, dude,
hook Line and Sinker. You go read the comments of
these I don't know, sixteen eighteen, twenty thousand views this
video has already. They're eating it up because he's just
spoon feeding them all the information that nobody would ever
have were it not for Todd's standing. It blows me away, man,
I don't know. What do you think about it?
Speaker 2: That pisses me off? Man, It really does. Do you think, Brian,
that this is a conscious effort to take attention away
from him, hoaxing to him to point out other hoaxes.
Maybe people will forget about what he's done.
Speaker 3: I don't think that's it at all. I think it's
just for views. I think it's just for clicks on
his YouTube channel. At some point, what is he going
to keep doing. We've said it before, talked about it
over here. Every live is just him saying the same
thing that he's been saying for fifteen years. Of course,
he's answering live questions in the chat, which are the
same questions that everybody asks for the last fifteen years.
It's the same thing was should repeat and only so
many times? And if you look at the live numbers
on his downloads, they're way down from these sensational videos
that say new Bigfoot evidence discovered, Bigfoot baby scene in Wisconsin,
or whatever the headline is. He makes these clickbait thumbnails
and he gets the views from it. Those videos are
going to average twenty twenty five, thirty thousand views versus
a five or six thousand view live that he does.
It's just a matter of necessity for him to have content,
so what better way. It's brilliant. It's the same thing
these Instagram accounts do. There's several Instagram accounts. I'm not
going to call anybody out by name because they're just
doing what they do. It's clickbait. Click it if you want,
but that's all they do. They recycle everybody's videos. You'll
see sixteen different Instagram accounts will post the same video
with a little bit different text, and it'll say some
sensational headline, and it's the Russian Bigfoot video from twenty
two years ago. It's the same shit. They just take
it from other people's accounts and recycle it. So there's
always going to be some of that. We all do it.
I'm guilty of it. I'm not saying I've never done
that on my Instagram because I do. Because guess what.
When I was doing those experiments to see what clickbait worked,
it fucking worked because the proofs and the pudding. So
of course I do that. Everybody does it to an
extent back to your question. To answer your question, I
think Todd is smart enough. I know Todd is smart
enough to know what gets people to click on his
channel and what doesn't. So now he's just following he
sees that working on Instagram, he's just repeating it on YouTube.
I can do these what do they call it when
you're able to mirror what I don't know what it's called.
You can do it on TikTok, where you take somebody's
video and put your face up and you talk about
what's in.
Speaker 2: The battle, like a yeah do it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, something like that, Yeah, do a duet.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So he's basically just doing a duet from TikTok or
Instagram on YouTube where he's breaking down somebody else's footage
and people he's tied standing. He's got one hundred and
eighty something thousand subscribers, People are gonna listen, people are
gonna click. He can do one or two of those
videos a week, make a couple one hundred dollars a video.
It makes perfect sense. It's a good business model for him.
The problem is it's like having Rick Dyer tell everybody
what's a fake bigfoot body or not? Oh I found
a bigfoot body? Who were gonna call it a See
if we can get disauthenticated. Why don't you call Rick Dyer?
He knows what a real one looks like. The biggest
fucking bigfoot hoaks are in the world. Is going to
come in and authenticate evidence. What world am I living
in right now? I feel like I'm in the fucking
twilight zone.
Speaker 5: Brian.
Speaker 2: What fucking baffles me? Is you mentioned how many subs
he has one hundred and eighty something thousand however many
I personally and I don't think you do either. I
personally don't know anyone in the big boot community that
is fond of this fucker. No one that I know
follows him and thinks that he is legit and all
of his sightings are real, his video is real. I
don't know anyone. So how does he have this many
people that are subbing? And like you said, leaving the
comments that he said, these people are eating it up?
Who are these people? Where are they at?
Speaker 5: Stay tuned for more of that big Foot podcast. We
will be right back after these messages.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, he's got one hundred and thirty five thousand subscribers.
It's not one hundred and eighty four. I misspoke. I apologize.
Hut one hundred and thirty five thousand.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and shit tout.
Speaker 3: And here's the answer to your question. I think I
don't think those are the regular bigfooters, right, because what
you're describing, or what you're talking about that believes anything
that comes out of his mouth or believes in his evidence.
We're a minuscule amount of people in the overall scheme
of the population in the Bigfoot world or phenomenon. There's
so many people that are interested in it, right, there
are millions of people I would imagine just based on
what I think. I've never watched Expedition Bigfoot. I've never
seen an episode, so I don't really know. But you
take a show that's as popular as that show appears
to be, say a million people a week tune into
that show, there may be ninety nine percent of those
people who don't know what a Bigfoot podcast is. So
you have a million people that are invested in the subject,
but only when it has to do with what's on television.
They don't listen to podcasts, they don't read books on
the subject, they don't go to conferences, they're not in
Facebook groups. They simply tune in because they love that show.
Then you have that other there's another population on the
Facebook groups. There are Facebook groups that we are in.
I know we're members of some of them together one
hundred and twenty five thousand members. I post something about
my podcast, one person will interact with that post, and
one hundred and twenty five thousand.
Speaker 2: People lucky, if you're lucky.
Speaker 3: If you're lucky, you'll get the one person, right, So
that's one hundred and twenty five thousand people. Out of
that one hundred and twenty five thousand people, there might
be one hundred people in that group who know what
a podcast is and actively engage in that content. So
there's so many subgroups, I think, and Todd fills a
niche in a subgroup. He is like that Matthew Johnson niche. Right,
that's a niche Mike Patterson or other buddy from up
north that we need to touch on before we get
into this other video fills a niche in the Bigfoot community.
He was one of the other people that popped up
on my radar over the weekend with a new video
on YouTube. And I'm talking about Mike Patterson from Sasquatch, Ontario,
from up north. They did the live a week or
so ago. You and I talked about it. On the episode.
He and Dwayne were out at the cabin and had
all this activity with the footprints showing up and the
marbles showing up out of the middle of nowhere, inside
vocalizations and inside gifting going on. Mike posted a new
video of what the aftermath of the live. They had
aftermath level activity going on, so he posted the video.
It's basically just him talking about the audio that was captured.
If you recall, if you saw the video, you saw
that he had this rig out in the it's through
the sun roof of his car where they're recording audio.
This entire video is nothing but darkness because there's no camera,
it's just audio, So you're looking at a dark screen
and you can hear Mike and Dwayne inside the cab
been talking. After the live is over. They're sitting at
the kitchen table and they're jawjacking, just like you and
I would about the live and all the things that's
been going on this that or the other. And then
you hear what sounds to me, honestly to be overlaid.
It doesn't sound like it's happening in real time in
my opinion. These wood knocks, these weird banging sounds, all
this stuff keeps going on, and it's like a fifteen
to twenty minute video where you get wood knocks and
weird noises and what he says or sticks cracking and
stuff like that. So you get in an aftermath of that.
And he made a point to talk about the fact
that he was very surprised that Dwayne made his first
ever appearance on camera, which I thought was interesting, But yeah,
they were just he was just reinforcing more of the
stuff that happened. He had more marbles that materialized out
of thin air inside the cabin, and the weird what
sounded like. Again, I'll link to it over on the
blog so you guys can check out the video I'm
talking about. But it's just a whole bunch of nothing.
It's just a nothing burger Man. It just sounds random
wood knocks and stuff. Then, honestly, like I said, it's
very difficult to tell if they're overlaid, but it doesn't
sound natural to me. And here's the thing that bothered me. Okay,
if the car's outside right, and you can hear plainly
in the audio, him and Dwayne are inside this cabin talking.
They're faint, it's not like they're right on the microphone,
but you can still hear them pretty clearly on the microphone.
And then you can hear these knocks and these smacks
and these sticks cracking or whatever. Here's the thing I
don't understand. He says that they didn't hear any of
anything that's caught on the audio. They heard nothing in
real time while they were inside. They heard none of
the noises, none of the wood knocks, what he describes
a couple of times as distant whoops and vocalizations. They
didn't hear that, no wood knox, they heard nothing. I
found that a little odd that how are we able
to wherever the microphones are positioned. If these knocks are
loud enough for the mics to pick them up and
pick you up inside talking, then that means the walls
are thin enough that you should be able to hear
what's going on with these big loud cracks. Right, Like
anything makes sense that they put out. It didn't make
sense to me, But I just thought it was weird.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 3: Again, I just thought it was more buffoonery, just another
video that's going to make money because twenty thousand people
are going to listen to this and think it was
the greatest ideo ever captured, And I don't know. It
just pisses me off.
Speaker 2: Fucking tired of this shit.
Speaker 3: I see it with just being little bitches now, I.
Speaker 2: Guess we are. We're beating our heads against the wall
where we're naggy little bitches complaining about these people that
are manipulating and lying to people making a pretty decent
living at it.
Speaker 3: I think I take it so personally because I think
I posted something about the documentary My Bigfoot Life's coming
out hopefully in the next month or so. We're going
to show a little clip of it that the Great
Florida Bigfoot Conference in Okala here on April the fifth,
So if you guys are going to be there, you'll
get to see a little sneak peak of the documentary.
But here's the thing that bothers me. Like I posted,
and again I take it with the grand salt. It
is in the Coalition for Critical Thinking group on Facebook.
But I posted about that it's a bigfoot documentary, but
the focus is not about Bigfoot. It's about Daniel, his autism,
his journey through the bigfoot world, and his journey into
looking into this creature. But of course the comments coming
in I post about this documentary, and then I think
I did a post. It was a new episode about
the National Park Nightmares that I'm doing on Backwoods Bigfoot Stories,
and I've put a couple of them out over on
Sasquatch Odyssey because people have really enjoyed those stories. And
I think I did a post about missing people in
the National Parks and One of the very first two
comments were grifter people calling me a grifter. I'm like,
how is me posting about real missing people? How am
I grift? How am I tricking people out of their
money by creating and letting people consume it for free.
There's a difference in what we do, and there's a
difference in what people like Todd and people like, in
my opinion, Mike are doing. When you are creating hoaxed
evidence and you are perpetuating a hoax to make money,
you are grifting, right, Sharing people's experiences and telling your
own experiences is not grifting people. It's just not. So
there's a big difference. But I digress.
Speaker 2: That's just fucking unintelligent, that's all that is. That's a
stupid ass comment by someone that's not very smart.
Speaker 3: That's pretty much what I said in such nice words.
You know how nice I can be. So let's get
into the meat and potatoes of what we're going to
talk about here. Forty minutes in pre edit. So I
said this to you a couple of days ago. I
think a link to another video that popped up on YouTube,
man I said, for somebody who doesn't get onto YouTube
much I've been all over it the last couple of days.
It was for i'd call it opposition research for the show.
But I was looking at this video and it came
in from It's Tob Johnson, who I didn't know had
any kind of a podcast. I didn't know he had
anything to do a podcast, and but clearly they have
a podcast called a Flash of Beauty on YouTube. I
think it's him and Jill from a Flash of Beauty
do a podcast. And Toad was doing a live and
it said something about Bigfoot evidence, hoax revealed or something
true story revealed something, some catchy phrase, right, So I
was hooked in. I clicked the clickbait, but it wasn't clickbait.
He did give us some information and in a nutshell
for people who have no idea what I'm talking about,
because I had no idea what Toad was talking about.
And I don't think you had heard about this either,
because frankly, very few people have backstory here before the reveal.
In a nutshell, about five years ago, a Black Ops
military agent secret agents man came to these people and
said that he had a piece of footage, particularly thermal
footage of a sasquatch running through the woods. Pretty intriguing.
Just that little tidbit is pretty intriguing, at least to me.
And somehow gives them this footage of this Sasquatch on
thermal video running through the woods. And Tob even used
the creative how did he phrase it, He's gonna call
him the vid five or Bigfoot video five or something.
Speaker 2: Like that, right, something like that.
Speaker 3: So these five people have this video and nobody does
shit with it. For five years. They sit on this
video until as we record this now I guess it
was last Friday. This past Friday, Toab does a video
on his YouTube channel talking about this and he releases
the footage, or at least a portion of the footage,
and frankly, it looks like to me a bigfoot running
through the woods on thermal right at first, Atlanta, That's
what it looks like. That happens on Friday, And here
we fast forward to what we're really talking about today
was a couple of days ago, which was on Monday.
Tob is now doing this live to explain this video
because he now has the answer what this video really is.
It looks like some throwaway footage from a nineteen ninety
four episode of Unsolved Mysteries where they have a fleer
representative on the show and they're talking about using flear
to look for missing persons or escaped criminals, convicts, that
kind of thing, and they don't have video of a
bigfoot they have. For some reason, the producers or whoever
filmed this, decided to put somebody in a bigfoot costume
and let them run under this fleer for whatever reason,
we don't know. I don't know the backstory on that.
I don't think Tob got into that. I don't know
that he knows why that was done. And then they
just cut this ended up that portion of the video
that ultimately made it to the show that got left
on the cutting room floor, and whoever got a hold
of it, this clandestined alleged secret agents man from the military,
tried to pass it off as some bullshit thermal video
of a bigfoot. The mystery was solved. Tobe solved the mystery,
and that in and of itself is not None of
that shit is surprising to me because there's so many
I can't say so many. There's at least a couple
of shows out there that I have known of the
hosts or people surrounding that show talking about having contacts
in the military that know all about Bigfoot, but they'll
never come forward. They call them mister X or mister
Y or mister Z or whatever clandestined handle they give
them to keep their anonymity safe. None of that shit
surprises me. What bothers me, and what I really wanted
to get into with you is this is something we've
talked about, and people roll their eyes and shake their
head a lot of times when people like me say,
I know you've said it too. I think there's so
much evidence of Bigfoot out there that people don't release
for many reasons. The fear ridicule. Some people are afraid
of the government, believe it or not. I know it's
probably some tenfoil hat sounding bullshit, but I think there
is some legitimate fear in some people. But by and large,
I think it just simply boils down to most people
don't want to hassle. But the flip side of that
is you have these people that are something, and I
don't know all the people. Obviously, the only person we
know for sure that had a copy of this five
years ago was Tob Johnson, and none of them released it.
The only reason he released it is he said that
he reached out to the person he got it from
and that person said that it was okay for him
to release it, so he did. But why is The
big question for me is why this looks legitimate? If
you see this footage, it's good footage. It was done
by obviously unsolved Mysteries is not a shabby show, right.
It was around for I don't know how many decades
it was on television. These people know how to shoot video.
It's high quality, professionally shot video through this Fleer system. Now.
Albeit it's a very early version in nineteen ninety four,
but it's nonetheless it would be passable, much better than
a lot of shit that we see nowadays. People would
be eating it up if it were real, and all
five of them thought that it was real at the time.
So my question is, and my frustration is with the
why did you not release it for us to get
the answer? Because it didn't take long. Guess who really
came up with the answer. Cliff Brickman knew exactly where
it came from, and he told Toad that and Toad
was like, holy shit, that's true. You can find it
there it is, there's the footage. It lines up, everything matches.
It's clearly from that nineteen ninety four Unsolved Mysteries episode.
Speaker 4: We could have.
Speaker 3: Done that in fifteen seconds and everybody moved on. That's
how evidence. In my opinion in the bigfoot communit, he
should be shared and it should be dealt with. But
why would you secret squirrel that away? And I'm gonna
ac the only person I know to reach out to
because that's the only person we know that had it
is Toab. I'm going to reach out to him and
see if I try to get him on the show
and talk about other things obviously, but get to the
bottom of that and just say, why would you sit
on that for five years?
Speaker 2: Dude?
Speaker 3: If you thought it was legit, high quality video of
a fucking bigfoot running on thermal, why would you not
release it?
Speaker 5: Stay tuned for more of that Bigfoot podcast. We will
be right back after these messages.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I definitely get your frustration there, Brian. My
frustration with the whole thing was different. My frustration was
because you sent me the first video that he put
out of what he was questioning what was supposedly a bigfoot.
You and I talk, you know, exchange several text messages
about this. Anytime I hear anyone say black ops, secret
military people that can't come forward, I roll my fucking eyes.
It's bull shit. Okay, I've never heard anything real come
after those words. That's always a reflect for me. But
what bothers me is in that first video he talked about,
like you said your credit, it looks good. It's good footed.
That looks like what we would expect a bigfoot to
look like, running through the woods, taking giant steps. It
looks like arm swinging the way it should. It looks
like I was leaning toward him. I like this. And
then to hear him say that, four or five people
that he reached out to and showed this, all of
them said, hope, Now Cliff Bragman had the inside information.
He knew where this came from. Take Cliff out of
the equation. The one guy he builds Flear drones or
something for major TV productions and stuff. He talked about
the shadow on the shoulder or something as a dead giveaway,
but maybe he has some inside knowledge. But the other
two or three that said hoax or they all said
very good hope. One person said very expensive, like one
hundred thousand dollars hoped, you know, just big time. They
put a lot into this. And I'm thinking before you
sent me the second video where he reveals everything, and
after he reveals it, you're like, yeah, okay, shit, it's
another crapper. But before I got to that point, I
was texting you and I was saying, man, if this
is the case, then we just need to abandon the
idea of thermal drones for bigfoot research, because this is
the best that we would get with a thermal drone.
And if these people that are in the know, he
called them experts, and you know how I feel there's
no such thing as a big fed expert. That he
called them experts. If these experts, y'all can't see my
finger in my ear quotes. But if these experts all
said hope, then why the hell are we even trying
with a thermal drone? Because you're not going to get
any better than this. So anytime anybody gets anything like this,
the experts are gonna scream hope, So why are we
even trying? That's what bothered me most about this. Throw
the rest of it away. It turned out to be
a hoax, But he didn't know that. These people did
not know that when they looked at the video, and
that's the first thing they said, and that bothers me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's just people are so jaded, man.
I think it's so much shit. It's so much of
the Todd Standing stuff, it's so much of the Mike
Patterson stuff. It's so much of the hoaxed bullshit that
people put out there. The Colorado train video, that's all
we get inundated with. It's almost like, if you're big
into conspiracy theories, it makes perfect sense. Disinformation is your
friend in anything that you're trying to dissuade people from
believing in.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: It's used in wartime, it's used all the time in
the United States and around the world. Anytime you want
to discredit something, you just put out disinformation. And I
don't know that it's not being done on purpose on
some level by some people to put out all of
this hoaxed stuff. So when stuff does come forward that
could possibly be real, now obviously this wasn't it, everybody
just immediately shrugs their shoulders and go, yeah, that's bullshit,
it's not real, and you move on. How many times
has that been done. I think it's just so many
people have become so jaded. I'm that way at this point.
I told you months ago after I had my experiences
last year, and I know that these things are I'm
on a different level when it comes to even giving
a shit about evidence, frankly, but I tell you, I'm
glad we got a couple of minutes here. This is
something I want to get in here because people have
been asking me about this forever and I'll probably have
to do something on my show. I've been playing phone
tag with Cliff for months, and he finally called me
a couple of days ago, so we got a chance
to catch up. We talked for an hour and a
half about everything. It was just a cool catchup. But
one of the things that I asked him was, hey, man,
I have not talked to Jeff Meldrum in months. He's
been radio silent. I've been trying to get to him
to ask him what he thought about the scans and
my cast that were cast here on the property a
couple of years ago. And Cliff said, oh, yeah, I've
talked to Jeff one time in about four months. But
he did talk to him recently about my cast, and
they agreed that. I think I can quote, they look
great and they're real end quote. So for anybody who
is wondering what Cliff Brackman and Jeff Melden think about
the cast that we're done on my property, there you
have it. But the bigger part of that conversation goes
into what we're talking about now, which is evidence. Obviously
I'm experiencing it with that because I said to Cliff,
I said, I feel like a fool like trying to
hander or or get Jeff's opinion on this and even
yours to an extent. I feel like a dumbass really
hounding him to get his opinion. But it's important. And
Cliff said, dude, you shouldn't feel that way at all.
He said, I've done that. He said, I still do that.
If I get a cast or something I know is real,
it's always great to show it to somebody like Jeff
because he's going to give his opinion and now what.
And that's what I want to focus on about this conversation.
I always take something away. I think I've said it
to you privately, and I probably said it on the
show before. I aspire to be more like Cliff Brickman
when I get older, because he has life figured out.
And he said to me about the evidence, So what
if I said they're real? And Jeff said they're real?
Now what? And I just stopped for a second and
I literally wrote it on a pad as I was
talking to him. He said, it's the same with everything
in Bigfoot Man. It's the same with everything in Bigfoot evidence.
So what if you find out that a piece of
video is not real?
Speaker 4: Now what?
Speaker 3: And it's more about what you do next in your journey.
It's about what you get from what you hear or
what's real and what's not and what you do with it.
So I am focusing on the now what in my life.
That's what I took away from that conversation with Cliff
is you know everybody. The first thing they said to
me when I put those casts out there for the
public to take a look at and scrutinize, if you
want a copy, you can get a copy of my
cast if you have the qualifications and you're an anthropologist
and you want to study them and tell me what's
wrong and what's right about them. I am open to
anybody doing that. I challenge anybody to do it. I
have nothing to hide. But the first thing that everybody
said to me was have they been verified by Jeff
Meldrum or Cliff Barrickman? And the person that everybody wants
to verify says, now, what, so what? I think they're real?
Jim over here might think they're not. It's just all
a subjective thing, right, So I'm focusing on the and
now what moving forward with me? So I'm still interested
in footcast evidence. I'm still interested, probably more so in
audio honestly, and certainly video and photographs. But man, the
shit that's out there now. Unless there's something that nobody
has ever seen before, I don't think there's anything else
really to talk about when it comes to evidence. I
haven't seen anything except for this video, and there may
have been one recently that you sent me that I
had never seen before. But it's rare to ever see
a piece of footage that hasn't been looked at by somebody.
Do you agree or do you think there's more out
there that we could still argue about that nobody's seen yet?
Speaker 2: No? I agree one thousand percent. I've thought it for
a while out Just like I said with the flear drone.
What's the point. What's the point in pictures anymore? What's
the point in videos anymore? We've seen it. Some people
will say it thrill some people won't, will believe the
people that say it's not. You know, what is the
point in it anymore? I've been thinking a lot, Brian,
what kind of evidence would it take? Take away the body? Obviously,
if someone brings in a body, that's going to prove it,
close the door, it's done. But as far as drone
or video, what would it take. What would we need
to see in a video to convent everyone? And I've
got a theory. It just popped into my head. If
I saw this, I wouldn't be able to argue it.
What if someone had a video of something that looked
like a big butt chasing down a damn deer, catching it,
killing it right there? You got it on either thermal
or you got it on video. Could we argue anything then?
Because the human can't do that?
Speaker 3: Very true, The only thing that would be argued is
that someone created an AI video. There you go help
them doing it. So, yeah, you're right. With the invention
of AI and the advancements that are happening in AI,
they're getting better, most of them on Instagram or Facebook,
these reels or these memes that people put up, these videos,
they're getting better and better. Their whole channels with millions
of subscribers that do nothing but create different AI videos.
I saw one this morning and I had to think twice.
I looked and it was like this one of these
massive cruise ships and this huge wave was wiping people
off the deck of the cruise ship. And I watched
it and then it looped. And then the second time
I watched it, I was looking at a guy up
and he was doing some weird shit and I was like,
that looks like AI, And then I looked it was
AI photos or AI video reels or something. It was
a whole channel where they just make these realistic looking
reels hundreds of thousands of likes. People are clearly eating
this up. But as long as that's continuing to happen,
and the more popular those kind of channels are for that,
it's just gonna get better and better. With the AI technology,
it's gonna get to the point. I still say most
of the stuff that I see online now, I'm pretty
good because I work with AI images every single day.
With the podcast, so I'm pretty decent at picking that
out pretty quickly, but some of it makes me think twice.
But I can still usually differentiate between photoshop or AI
or whatever. But it's gonna get tougher and tougher, so
I don't think it's ever going to get any better
as far as trying to get photographs or video. That's
what happened when I started posting about the talking about
my experiences and stuff down in Florida, and the first person,
I think it was in the coalition group where I posted,
did you have your phone out when you saw this thing?
You got a picture a video of it? No, dude, right, No,
I don't, dude. We were actually filming a documentary people
in the area with cameras, but I don't know if
it was caught on camera or not.
Speaker 2: You're there to fucking shoot a movie. There were cameras, dude,
shut up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I should have taken my phone out and
taken a picture of what.
Speaker 2: I saw and it would have been more believable.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we would have been arguing about that at.
Speaker 2: A fucking fourteen or fifteen or sixteen.
Speaker 3: Backup off my iPhone fourteen, bitch, Oh yeah, I get.
Speaker 2: iPhone are believable. I'm still on the fourth.
Speaker 3: It looks like a tic tac, But yeah.
Speaker 2: My fucking iPhone would have been more believable than the
TV crew that I've got with me. Shut up, bitch.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know if you've seen any I don't think.
Do you watch Expedition Bigfoot?
Speaker 2: I haven't in a long time.
Speaker 3: I guess they as far as i've heard through the
no I better not say that. The season finale just happened,
and apparently from what I was sent there looks like
there's a clip of what looks like a bigfoot running
through the woodline that they captured from a drone or
something overhead. Looks like pretty decent footage. I don't know
exactly what they captured. I haven't seen any hubbub after
that anything.
Speaker 2: Like the other fucking seasons, the season finale, you will
have something interesting and then the next season will start
and they won't even fucking bring it up.
Speaker 3: I don't know if they'll be doing that on a
new season or not over there on Expedition Bigfoot, but
I do know they'd closed out the season finale with
what looks like a bigfoot running through the woods. So yeah,
I don't know. I'd like to get hold of that,
and maybe we can look at that at some point
in time moving forward and we can make our own
judgment on whether it's real or not. Maybe we should
just send it to Todd and he can get back
with us and let us know. But as always, my friend,
you get the last word on the show.
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