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Speaker 3: Gonna deal a little bit with the some of the
Speaker 3: free agent signings of the PA with Chris Price of
Speaker 3: the Boston Globe, going to talk about New England slang
Speaker 3: words here in New England that all of us understand
Speaker 3: that would probably confuse most people from other parts of
Speaker 3: the country. And we'll also talk about a growing and
Speaker 3: a real crisis here hospital bed shortages. But we'll get
Speaker 3: to all of that first. Well, if we want to
Speaker 3: welcome back Mike Dean. He's an Axios Boston reporter and
Speaker 3: he is looking at Massachusetts Democrats. They're pretty good shape
Speaker 3: in Massachusetts, but how do they respond to the Trump
Speaker 3: era message? And they're kind of searching for a path
Speaker 3: forward and with us. Mike is going to join us
Speaker 3: and tell us there's some Democrats out there that maybe
Speaker 3: have some aspirations beyond Beacon Hill or maybe even beyond Congress. Mike,
Speaker 3: welcome back to Night Side.
Speaker 2: How are you hey? Good? How are you doing?
Speaker 4: Dan greatly with yout well.
Speaker 3: Obviously Governor Healy has got a little dose of the
Speaker 3: Potomac fever on this anniversary of the starting of the
Speaker 3: COVID crisis. Hope it works out better for her than
Speaker 3: the COVID crisis did for us. Generally, they're in appropriate.
Speaker 3: The Democrats are fine here. There's no Democrat in Congress
Speaker 3: that's going to be beaten as far as I can
Speaker 3: see anytime soon. No Democrat in either the House or
Speaker 3: the Senate. But there's some little rumblings around here. What
Speaker 3: are you seeing from your perch on Beacon Hill.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you're absolutely right, And you know, Democrats have a
Speaker 5: pre solid grip on Beacon Hill and our congressional delegation.
Speaker 5: That's why it's so interesting when our Democratic leaders like
Speaker 5: mar Healey and like Congressman Jake Auchincloss kind of go
Speaker 5: into national media as they have recently to kind of
Speaker 5: make the point of what we should what they should
Speaker 5: be doing. You know, what are Democrats what their party
Speaker 5: should be doing to get back voters. Now, it should
Speaker 5: be said that, you know, the Republicans did a little
Speaker 5: bit better in twenty twenty four than they did in
Speaker 5: twenty twenty. Donald Trump won, you know, a few percentage
Speaker 5: points more in Massachusetts than he had the previous election.
Speaker 3: But was right. It was actually hundreds of thousands. I
Speaker 3: think it was actually hundreds of thousands of votes.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: The let's say he had one hundred and twenty five
Speaker 5: million in twenty four versus one point one seven million
Speaker 5: in twenty twenty. So you know that that is a
Speaker 5: significant upswing. In the state legislature, it was kind of
Speaker 5: a net zero gain. I think the Democrats lost two
Speaker 5: seats and one against two more Republican seats, so it
Speaker 5: kind of it was a losh there. But it's interesting.
Speaker 5: I think people are looking at, you know, where to
Speaker 5: go next and what in Massachusetts it needs to you know,
Speaker 5: what a politician for Massachusetts I should say, and say
Speaker 5: for the national Party and what heally told the New
Speaker 5: York Times. She did a big, proper sit down for
Speaker 5: the interview podcast. It was a pretty big deal for
Speaker 5: a governor to have a platform like this, and she
Speaker 5: was urging her party to deliver for everyday American, saying
Speaker 5: that was what was left out of the Harris campaign
Speaker 5: that we just last saw. And she said, you know,
Speaker 5: to be less distracted by the culture war, but at
Speaker 5: the same time not abandoning those cultural issues. Heally said that.
Speaker 2: Demon that's good.
Speaker 3: That's going to be a little bit of a tight
Speaker 3: rope to walk. That's for sure.
Speaker 2: Absolutely is that's where they found.
Speaker 3: The Democrats in Massachusetts. I think of you know, President
Speaker 3: Mike Decaccus in nineteen eighty eight. I think of President
Speaker 3: John Kerry as recently his two thousand and four President
Speaker 3: Paul songis former senator here in Massachusetts. In nineteen ninety two,
Speaker 3: President Ted Kennedy uh and of course, most recently the
Speaker 3: time in the White House that President Elizabeth warrens Laura, I'm.
Speaker 5: Gonna say, and only Warren off that list.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, quite a you know, quite a
Speaker 3: losing streak here from Democrats in Massachusetts. Got to go
Speaker 3: back to a guy named Jack Kennedy to find a
Speaker 3: Democrat to come out of Massachusetts and win the White House.
Speaker 3: And yeah, certainly fun with friends of mine, my Democratic friends.
Speaker 3: And I'm kind of one of those people who kind
Speaker 3: of a parks from both your houses in many respects.
Speaker 3: I often ask I asked him, my Democrats, would you
Speaker 3: say that the most famous phrase that John Kennedy invoked
Speaker 3: in his State of the Union address in nineteen sixty
Speaker 3: one January twenty, that cold, snowy day was ask not
Speaker 3: what your country can do for you, but what you
Speaker 3: can do for your country.
Speaker 5: I would say was that from the inauguration it was
Speaker 5: that kind of from that was from the Okay, I
Speaker 5: wasn't sure if it was from the au speech that
Speaker 5: was around the same time. There's so many of these
Speaker 5: kids horns, that's right.
Speaker 3: So my question is.
Speaker 5: What thorns and speeches that kind of muddle together?
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, what my question then becomes what democrat in
Speaker 3: Massachusetts today would actually quote that speech ask not what
Speaker 3: your country can do for you, but what you can
Speaker 3: do for your country. I don't know that there's too
Speaker 3: many Democrats who are going to be quoting that phrase
Speaker 3: from John Right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, now, I hear you saying. I think from a
Speaker 5: political standpoint, what these Democratic leaders are looking at is, well,
Speaker 5: we know that the Massachusetts style of liberal democratic politics
Speaker 5: isn't that appealing nationwide. We've seen that, as you just
Speaker 5: said multiple times. But it's certainly winning here and it's
Speaker 5: certainly winning in New England. Is there anything that can
Speaker 5: be extrapolated from that, you know, Mark Healey winning big,
Speaker 5: she's going into reelection she very likely will you know,
Speaker 5: also win big again. What can she kind of show
Speaker 5: the national politicians about how to get votes and how
Speaker 5: to win these things. So it is kind of a
Speaker 5: weird situation to be in where we're not the state
Speaker 5: that is going to speak for the rest of the country. However,
Speaker 5: we do have very successful Democratic politicians who are speaking
Speaker 5: to you know, real voters, middle class people, about real
Speaker 5: issues and getting good results. So it's just kind of
Speaker 5: you know, where we're an outlier. But there might be
Speaker 5: something in it. And I think that's what politicians like
Speaker 5: Auchincloss and Healey are maybe telling themselves about their potential appeal.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it'll be interesting again as they venture and spend
Speaker 3: more time on network programs or they spend more time traveling,
Speaker 3: that can kind of snap back too. I mean, so
Speaker 3: that the corollary, if you will, is there's a bunch
Speaker 3: of Republicans in places like I don't know, Mississippi and
Speaker 3: Alabama who do really well and they win comfortably in
Speaker 3: those states. But I don't know that they're going to
Speaker 3: be the national leaders for the Republican Party either. Uh,
Speaker 3: they have they have to find. I think there's a
Speaker 3: there's a bunch of Democrats nationally who who they can
Speaker 3: look to, and maybe even Democrats that many people don't
Speaker 3: know about. Congressman former Congressman Ryan from Ohio. He lost
Speaker 3: a Senate seat, lost a Senate fight to JD. Vance,
Speaker 3: but he's he's a really smart guy and uh, and
Speaker 3: I think a lot of people around the country, Democrats, Republicans,
Speaker 3: independence would listen to him before they listen to some
Speaker 3: Democrat from Massachusetts. That's yeah, I mean, I don't know,
Speaker 3: it's but I'll tell you. For some reason, Uh, Democratic
Speaker 3: politicians in Massachusetts are always kind of looking over the horizon.
Speaker 3: And I'm not talking about the political horizon. I'm talking
Speaker 3: about the geographical horizon. It's great fun, It is great fun.
Speaker 3: I did watch the Ezra Kline interview that you referred
Speaker 3: to with that Auchincloss had with Ezracline, and he made
Speaker 3: a really interesting point in that interview. I'm sure you
Speaker 3: remember it. Auchinclass said that Donald Trump won the city
Speaker 3: of Fall River in twenty twenty four, first time in
Speaker 3: one hundred years that a Republican presidential candidate had carried
Speaker 3: the city of Fall River, which is a Democratic stronghold.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's telling it really is. In that interview, Auchincloss
Speaker 5: had a lot to say about, you know, working in
Speaker 5: middle class voters and what they're looking for in his district,
Speaker 5: and you know, beyond. His advice to the National Party
Speaker 5: was to not be what he called the Diet Coke
Speaker 5: version of Republican populism, to kind of focus on the
Speaker 5: economic messages, he says, to get an abundance agenda that's
Speaker 5: more supply side rather sorry, I'm on a to increase
Speaker 5: on the supply side. Rather than subsidizing demand. And that's
Speaker 5: kind of a wonky economic message there, but it's the
Speaker 5: kind of thing that, if articulated correctly, could be very
Speaker 5: appealing to some, you know, working class, middle class, even
Speaker 5: upper class voters. One of the biggest things he said
Speaker 5: though in aucin classes definitely among the more moderate of
Speaker 5: our Democrats in Congress, he said that the party should
Speaker 5: be quote liberal, but not condescending about it. And I
Speaker 5: think that's kind of where a lot of voters think
Speaker 5: the Democrats have lost their way on a national level.
Speaker 3: I think tone is very important. Mike Then of Axio's
Speaker 3: Boston Reporter, really enjoyed the conversation. Uh, let's get you
Speaker 3: back soon. Thank you very much.
Speaker 5: Yeah, great to be with you.
Speaker 6: Dan.
Speaker 3: Absolutely switch and talk about something that we all can
Speaker 3: agree upon, and that is the Newickland Patriots. They've signing
Speaker 3: some free agents. Chris Price for the Boston Globe will
Speaker 3: tell us how critical these signings are. I think they've
Speaker 3: spent a lot of money. I think they've made some
Speaker 3: great moves. I'm sure Chris knows a lot more about
Speaker 3: it than I do. I want to hear what he
Speaker 3: has to say. Hope you do as well, my name's
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Speaker 3: Delighted to be rejoined by Chris Price of The Boston Globe. Chris,
Speaker 3: the Patriots had a busy Sunday and Monday. Looks to
Speaker 3: me like they've made tremendous strides on sure enough, the defense.
Speaker 3: They spent a lot of money. What's going on?
Speaker 2: They really did. They got some big ticket items too.
Speaker 2: They were not they weren't shopping in the you know,
Speaker 2: at filings basement. These are guys who really, in a
Speaker 2: lot of ways should be transformative pieces for the defensive
Speaker 2: side of the ball. Last year we all talked about
Speaker 2: how they need some upgrades on offense, particularly offensive tackle
Speaker 2: as well as wide receiver. But the way they went
Speaker 2: after some of these defensive guys. Cornerback Carlton Davis, defensive
Speaker 2: tackle Milton Williams, linebacker Robert Splaine, it's been a really
Speaker 2: impressive stretch as well as I shouldn't I shouldn't forget
Speaker 2: about BC's own Harold Landry. So they really did their
Speaker 2: due diligence when you're talking about shoring up, you know,
Speaker 2: the defensive side of the ball. I really like a
Speaker 2: lot of these. There were some overpays there, quite honestly,
Speaker 2: but you know, they had to overpay given their situation.
Speaker 2: So I like a lot of the moves. They certainly
Speaker 2: set themselves up for success, at least at this stage
Speaker 2: of the offseason.
Speaker 3: I love the Landry move because obviously, besides being a
Speaker 3: BC guy, he played for Vabel at Tennessee with the Titans.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there are a couple of guys like that who
Speaker 2: do have those connections to either Rabel or Josh McDaniels.
Speaker 2: Played for Josh McDaniels in Vegas, you know, or played
Speaker 2: for Terrell Williams, the d defensive coordinator in Detroit Carled Williams,
Speaker 2: you know, comes to New England from the Detroit Lions,
Speaker 2: where he was part of a defense that included Williams.
Speaker 2: Splaine played very briefly for Rabel a couple of years ago.
Speaker 2: Mac Holland one of the new wide receivers that they signed.
Speaker 2: He has a history with offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels. They
Speaker 2: are together in Las Vegas. So if you want to
Speaker 2: look for a common thread here, Dan, but a lot
Speaker 2: of these signings, a lot of these guys do have
Speaker 2: a history with the current coaching staff in other places.
Speaker 3: Well. That way, not only do they know what they
Speaker 3: can do on the field, but they know what their
Speaker 3: presence is in the locker room, which is important. Now.
Speaker 3: My view is that the Patriots defensively were not that
Speaker 3: bad last year. That the place that they have to
Speaker 3: spend some money is on the offensive side of the ball.
Speaker 3: And I want to give me a couple of signings
Speaker 3: that you don't want to predict, but might suggest would
Speaker 3: be worthy of the Patriots. You know it as well
Speaker 3: as anybody, Chris. Whenever I talk to you, I learn
Speaker 3: a lot. So who do you think we've should be
Speaker 3: looking for?
Speaker 2: I appreciate it, and I think a couple of guys
Speaker 2: to look for. I think, first of all, they need
Speaker 2: a little help on the offensive line. The short really
Speaker 2: one left tackle in my regard, they went out and
Speaker 2: they got right tackle. Morgan Moses, a guy who's been
Speaker 2: around the lake for an awful long time. Very steady,
Speaker 2: very sturdy. He played in every single game in his
Speaker 2: career in eight of the eleven years in his career.
Speaker 2: So this is a guy you can be you can
Speaker 2: you feel real good about putting out a right tackle.
Speaker 2: They need a left tackle. There's a guy out there
Speaker 2: by the name of Cam Robinson. Cam Robinson played for
Speaker 2: the new offensive line coach did a connection with him
Speaker 2: when they were together in Jacksonville. So you might look
Speaker 2: for Cam Robinson to be added as a free agent
Speaker 2: the other big name. And he just shook loose tonight.
Speaker 2: He was cut loose by the Los Angeles Rams. Veteran
Speaker 2: wide receiver Cooper Cup. He's not the same guy that
Speaker 2: he was a couple of years ago. You know, this
Speaker 2: is not a guy who's going to come here and
Speaker 2: catch one hundred and ten passes. But there's still a
Speaker 2: little bit of juice left.
Speaker 3: In his game.
Speaker 2: And I think that if they can get the money right,
Speaker 2: he strikes me the kind of guy who might be
Speaker 2: kind of a final piece the puzzle. Like if I
Speaker 2: was Cooper Cup, I would be going to like Buffalo.
Speaker 2: But if they can get the money right here in
Speaker 2: New England. I think he would be a really good
Speaker 2: fit for this Patriots offense.
Speaker 3: I don't know what his injury situation is, but he's
Speaker 3: only thirty one. I happen to pick that up today.
Speaker 3: So you know, wide receivers, you know, there are some
Speaker 3: guys who who play a little well into their thirties.
Speaker 3: Jerry Rice types though. He's a different guy than Jerry Rice.
Speaker 3: But he's an explosive wide receiver, and with the Patriots
Speaker 3: quarterback situation, he may like to you know, he spent
Speaker 3: a lot of time obviously with Matthew Stafford with the Rams,
Speaker 3: and you know, Stafford's kind of like a Derek May
Speaker 3: in many respects, mole, pretty mobile and has a has
Speaker 3: a gun. I'd love to see him here. I think
Speaker 3: I think I would session.
Speaker 2: I would say this, though, Dan, I do like Cup.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm I'm a fan of Cooper Cup. He's
Speaker 2: an impressive receiver, has had great success in the league
Speaker 2: for an extended period of time. He's you might call
Speaker 2: an older thirty one. This is a guy who's had
Speaker 2: some injury problems the last couple of years. So again,
Speaker 2: I would kind of exercise a little bit of caution there,
Speaker 2: you're not getting the Cooper Cup of three, four or
Speaker 2: five years ago. That being said, you know he would
Speaker 2: still lead the Patriots and catches as currently constituted. There's
Speaker 2: also two and we could talk a little bit about
Speaker 2: this as it gets closer the draft and they have
Speaker 2: the fourth overall pick, and there's some really intriguing possibilities
Speaker 2: out there when it comes to augmenting the offensive side
Speaker 2: of the ball. The guy that everyone is talking about
Speaker 2: in college football Travis Hunter, two way player from Colorado,
Speaker 2: Heisman Trophy winner, a guy who caught ninety something passes
Speaker 2: this year and oh yeah, by the way, he can
Speaker 2: also play cornerbacks. So he's another guy if you're a
Speaker 2: Patriots fan, you might want to keep an eye on
Speaker 2: him and you can contribute on both sides of the ball.
Speaker 2: Elliott Wolf had a great line about him at the
Speaker 2: Combine last month. He said, I think this is the
Speaker 2: kind of guy who can major in one minor in
Speaker 2: the other. So he's a guy that a lot of
Speaker 2: people have their eyes on Patriots than should be really interested.
Speaker 3: Do you think he'll stick around? Will he be available
Speaker 3: at number four? Though? That'll be biking Sorry.
Speaker 2: Well, really for me, the Giants, who picked third overall
Speaker 2: are kind of a wild card. They don't have a quarterback.
Speaker 2: But again, Hunter is this absolutely electric performer. They might
Speaker 2: want to go Hunter at three, or they might want
Speaker 2: to go after one of the quarterbacks at three and
Speaker 2: cam Ward or should do or Sanders the son of
Speaker 2: Dione Sanders. So the Giants kind of hold all the
Speaker 2: cards here. If the Giants end up going quarterback, then
Speaker 2: someone like Travis Hunter could be there at number four.
Speaker 2: The other guy who Patriot Sam should keep an eye
Speaker 2: on what the possibility him fall into four. I don't
Speaker 2: think he will, but the possibility of Penn State's Abdual Carter,
Speaker 2: an absolute game wrecker of a defensive end. Abdual Carter,
Speaker 2: I know we talked about the needs on the offensive
Speaker 2: side of the ball. Abdual Carter is the one guy
Speaker 2: where you tear up the plant you cross out of
Speaker 2: the draft board and you say, if Abdul Carter is there,
Speaker 2: we're going to go get him. So the two guys
Speaker 2: head and shoulders above the rest of the draft.
Speaker 3: Class, I mean, that's the best player approach. By the way,
Speaker 3: when you say that Cooper Cups and older thirty one
Speaker 3: wouldn't you, and I like to be an older thirty five.
Speaker 3: I remember the world that ain't bad football different story.
Speaker 2: I remember what it was like a little bit more
Speaker 2: spring and my stuff back then.
Speaker 3: Me too. Hey, Chris really enjoyed it as always, you
Speaker 3: know your stuff. I love talking football with you because
Speaker 3: that's one sport that I need to spend more time reading,
Speaker 3: reading your columns on because you do a fabulous job.
Speaker 3: Chris Price on the Boston Globe. Uh. We're going to
Speaker 3: talk with Chris, hopefully a lot between now and I
Speaker 3: guess the started training camp and probably even beyond. Chris,
Speaker 3: thank you so much for your time tonight.
Speaker 2: I appreciate it. Dan take Caarin. We'll definitely talk again soon.
Speaker 3: You bet you, you bet you. Okay, We've got the
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Speaker 3: Now coming up, we're going to talk about new England slang.
Speaker 3: This should be fun. Stacy Milbauer of the Grinned Post
Speaker 3: News has picked on about fifty New England sayings, expressions,
Speaker 3: slang that will be explained. Most of us know, but
Speaker 3: some of our listeners who are outside of New England,
Speaker 3: We're going to stun him in the next segment back
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Speaker 3: All right, all of us know that in different parts
Speaker 3: of the country this words slang, your clean words, not
Speaker 3: bad words, and that are endemic to that particular region
Speaker 3: of the world. Here in New England, We're no exception
Speaker 3: with us, is Stacey Milbauer. She writes for the Granite
Speaker 3: Post News, which is a digital site. Welcome, Stacy, how
Speaker 3: are you tonight?
Speaker 6: I'm good, Dan, how are you great?
Speaker 3: So you got some unique, quirky slang words that are
Speaker 3: pretty endemic to New England. You got fifty of them.
Speaker 3: This must have been a fun assignment. Maybe you came
Speaker 3: up with this idea of yourself, which was it.
Speaker 6: I did not come up with the idea of myself,
Speaker 6: but it was a fun assignment. I could have done
Speaker 6: fifty more. I found so many because I had the
Speaker 6: whole region, not just New Hampshire.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I love the picture of the sign that says
Speaker 3: frost heaves. Can you imagine being up here from Mississippi, Alabama?
Speaker 3: The hell of frost leaves frosts? Yeah? Seriously, I almost
Speaker 3: used the word flat lander earlier this evening. I didn't
Speaker 3: realize that was one of the words you got. Let's
Speaker 3: go over some of the ones that you found to
Speaker 3: be most fun. Let's hit a few of them. Tell
Speaker 3: us the word, and then let people think for a
Speaker 3: second or so, and you can explain what it actually
Speaker 3: means for those who you know who might not know
Speaker 3: a word here here or there.
Speaker 6: You want me to pick a word, I'd love.
Speaker 3: You to tell me the favorites you've You've studied it.
Speaker 6: One of my favorites is spucky. So I did it spucky?
Speaker 6: That yet?
Speaker 5: Spucky?
Speaker 3: How do you spell that's? That's like a submarine sandwich
Speaker 3: right exactly south. I've been around not every that was
Speaker 3: a tough one. You hit me with a tough one,
Speaker 3: come on.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: And it comes from the Italian word buckadella, which means
Speaker 6: a long roll.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I had a spucky for dinner tonight. I had
Speaker 3: a turkey spucky. I had some nice turkey and put
Speaker 3: it in one of those roles I love the one
Speaker 3: that I love. Uh And look, I'm not only uh
Speaker 3: New Englander, but I'm Irish and I love packy or packy.
Speaker 3: Most people are get down of that packy and get
Speaker 3: bring back something for your father. Yeah.
Speaker 6: Well, so I have to explain that I'm actually urgently
Speaker 6: from New York, but my husband is from Boston and
Speaker 6: he's got the real like pokik accents. He was my
Speaker 6: he was my advisor on this and he's the one
Speaker 6: who came up with spucky, which I had never heard before.
Speaker 6: But yeah, give me enough.
Speaker 3: Give me you got spucky or a grinder. That's a
Speaker 3: good one. Okay, give me a couple of one. That.
Speaker 6: So the other one that surprised me is cool?
Speaker 3: Have you No? I don't know, and I can read
Speaker 3: it and fake it, but I'm not. I'm going to
Speaker 3: let you do it because I saw it and I thought,
Speaker 3: what the heck does that mean? That's not cool? That's
Speaker 3: ghool like g O R.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yet not like a ghost. Yeah. So that is
Speaker 6: a term. Again, never heard of it before, but it
Speaker 6: is the place that when you're playing a game like
Speaker 6: tag or Olliel Talks and free that's your safe place,
Speaker 6: so you can say, like you know, you can't tag
Speaker 6: me out. I'm in a wicked ghoul.
Speaker 3: That's one thing. You can't just stumped me on that.
Speaker 3: You stumped me on that. But I mean the others
Speaker 3: obviously dunks. Everybody knows dunks. I love the down East,
Speaker 3: which of course is the Mid Coast, as you said,
Speaker 3: the mid coast of Main and Jimmy's people you say
Speaker 3: you want Jimmy's or anywhere else in the country, what
Speaker 3: are they? What are you talking about? A little sprinkles
Speaker 3: on the ice cream call and that's all I want.
Speaker 6: Well, you know it's interesting. When I was researching Jimmy's,
Speaker 6: I didn't know there was So there's a distinction in
Speaker 6: some places in New Way, England that a Jimmy is
Speaker 6: the chocolate sprinkles and a sprinkle is the colored sprinkles.
Speaker 6: I never heard.
Speaker 3: Yeah, chocolate chocolate sprinkles are what I want.
Speaker 6: Who doesn't all.
Speaker 3: Those other colors? I don't need the rainbow. I all
Speaker 3: I want is the Jimmy because it's chocolate, and of
Speaker 3: course the classic is frap.
Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah, So this is a pat paper of mind.
Speaker 6: So and I wrote in my article, like, god forbid,
Speaker 6: you should call it a frat pey. I mean, that's
Speaker 6: just why you pretend, just for New England. So yeah,
Speaker 6: So in New York run from a milkshake is what
Speaker 6: you would call a frap. Here, it's thick, is made
Speaker 6: with ice cream, And here a milkshake is just like
Speaker 6: chocolate milk that you shake up. But a frap is
Speaker 6: the ice cream and the milk and the er Well,
Speaker 6: I think you know.
Speaker 3: I'm going to disagree with you a second. I'm gonna
Speaker 3: have a little disagreement if I throw some Hershey syrup
Speaker 3: in in my milk here, I don't think that's a frap.
Speaker 3: I think, okay, well, I think it's a chocolate milk.
Speaker 3: But if I if I have a blender, which of
Speaker 3: course I never because I get I'm afraid of things electronic,
Speaker 3: a couple of scoops of ice cream in there with
Speaker 3: some milk and chocolate, Now.
Speaker 6: That's a frap, right, Only it's only a milkshake if
Speaker 6: your chocolate milk is shaken.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you gotta have ice cream to make it
Speaker 3: a frap, don't you?
Speaker 4: You do?
Speaker 6: You do?
Speaker 2: You have?
Speaker 6: And then and it's even more confusing because in Rhode
Speaker 6: Island they have cabinets, which is kind of like the
Speaker 6: same thing. They call them cabin yeah, and they think
Speaker 6: that that comes from the place where they kept the
Speaker 6: blender within the cabinet.
Speaker 3: Got it, got it, got got it? Yeah. I love
Speaker 3: some of the other phrases here, just a few of them,
Speaker 3: for examp for you know, for wicked. Everybody knows wicked
Speaker 3: your friend is legless, you know, I mean, I think
Speaker 3: of the guy's accent and the Sam Adams commercials. Love
Speaker 3: that d D. We know what that means, a little
Speaker 3: small little thing. And of course, if we're talking about
Speaker 3: the Massachusetts State Police to the states everybody, that's a
Speaker 3: good one. And I love this one. Banging a yuie,
Speaker 3: banging a yuie.
Speaker 6: You gotta bang a yuie, You gotta bang a yuwie.
Speaker 6: I'm getting out.
Speaker 3: I'm getting out of this traffic. This traffic's horrible. I'm
Speaker 3: banging a yuie. I'm not I have no idea where
Speaker 3: I'm going, but I'm getting off the.
Speaker 6: Road and you're banging that yuie. Yeah, yeah, bang.
Speaker 3: The you.
Speaker 6: My pet peeve. This is the one that causes the
Speaker 6: most arguments of my house is the so don't die,
Speaker 6: which is dramatically ridiculous.
Speaker 3: I mean I missed that one. Wait, hold on, wait second,
Speaker 3: I missed the one. What is that again?
Speaker 6: So don't I?
Speaker 3: Oh, so don't? I? Oh sure, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah.
Speaker 6: So I said, like I'm going to you know, let's see,
Speaker 6: do you want an orange?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 6: No, so don't die? It means so do I. I
Speaker 6: don't understand it, but it's it's something that people say
Speaker 6: here in southern New Hampshire, and I think in parts
Speaker 6: of Massachusetts are so didn't he? And when my husband
Speaker 6: says it, I'm like, I don't understand what that means.
Speaker 6: So did not he? To me, it's impossible, but but
Speaker 6: it actually comes from Maine in the nineteen sixties as
Speaker 6: a way for rebellious teenagers to get back at their
Speaker 6: parents when they said so do I.
Speaker 3: Oh okay. Well, it's always good when you when you
Speaker 3: understand where something comes from. But again, some prom arion
Speaker 3: is not going to understand it. Hey, but there's a
Speaker 3: lot of phrases in Shakespeare I don't understand either. So
Speaker 3: it's just true.
Speaker 2: That's true.
Speaker 3: It's what they were it's what they were writing at
Speaker 3: the time at Strafford or Avelon. It's what we're saying
Speaker 3: at the time here in New England.
Speaker 6: Stacy.
Speaker 3: I love the article. Folks can find that. Granted Post
Speaker 3: is just granted postnews dot com. I think is the
Speaker 3: is the the website.
Speaker 6: You get online. There's a website. It's on Facebook, you know,
Speaker 6: some x and everywhere, so you can find it in
Speaker 6: any place. Instagram.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love the cow Hampshire everybody. Everybody knows where
Speaker 3: cow Hampshire is, uh, And there's yeah, yeah, yeah, well yeah,
Speaker 3: that's one that's around and you know something that sometimes
Speaker 3: uh sometimes it works, particularly when you're behind the wheel
Speaker 3: the car and some guys cut you off. If you
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: That's that's always what it's used. I don't think I've
Speaker 6: ever heard it used outside of a you know, raging
Speaker 6: driver saying it's always in the car.
Speaker 3: Oh some of us, some of us use that term
Speaker 3: more broadly, to be really honest with you, And I've
Speaker 3: one of them who have used that term a little
Speaker 3: more broadly, and it has.
Speaker 6: Entered it's entered the Oxford English Dictionary, so it's now
Speaker 6: a real word.
Speaker 3: Well it's not only real word, but it has the
Speaker 3: respect that I think it's in there.
Speaker 6: It's in there what.
Speaker 3: I do and I'm told, and this is this is
Speaker 3: just me sometimes when I'm in a set of circumstances,
Speaker 3: like in a store where somebody's blocking the aisle with
Speaker 3: their carriage at an angle so no one can get by.
Speaker 3: When they finally wake out of that slumber and they
Speaker 3: realize they're blocking the aisle, I'd like to use that word,
Speaker 3: but it's much better in a car when you're pointing
Speaker 3: your finger to the guy. So here's what I do.
Speaker 3: I go by the person after they've kind of woken
Speaker 3: from their slumber, and I just say soto voci, very
Speaker 3: very softly oblivious. The person doesn't hear the word, but
Speaker 3: I plant it in their brain. And so for me,
Speaker 3: that's a synonym that I use in grocery stores for
Speaker 3: the phrase that most of us would use while driving
Speaker 3: on the car and being cut off by some guy
Speaker 3: from Massachusetts.
Speaker 6: That is a very handy hint.
Speaker 3: We'll all take that, beg Stacy, We'll talk again. Okay,
Speaker 3: I really enjoyed. Let's do it again.
Speaker 6: Okay, bye bye.
Speaker 3: Stacy Milbar of the Granite Post News granted Postnews dot com.
Speaker 3: We get back. I'm going to talk about a more
Speaker 3: serious subject, and that is a growing shortage of hospital beds.
Speaker 3: And if you're anywhere over the age of forty, you
Speaker 3: want to pay attention back on Nightside.
Speaker 1: Now back to Dan Ray Mine from the Window World
Speaker 1: Nightside Studios on w b Z News Radio.
Speaker 3: Okay, we are going to change to a most serious
Speaker 3: topic and with us is doctor Richard Lucter. He's an
Speaker 3: assistant Professor of Medicine at the David Geffen School of
Speaker 3: Medicine and UCLA and the studies lead investigator. I guess
Speaker 3: we're facing first of all, elector welcome to Nightside. How
Speaker 3: are you, sir?
Speaker 4: I'm doing well. Thanks so much for having me here.
Speaker 3: And is it I want to is it Lucter or
Speaker 3: what is the correct pronunciation of your last name?
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's actually that's actually perfect. You've done what many
Speaker 4: people cannot do, which is you got to write the
Speaker 4: first time.
Speaker 3: I did Luketer. Okay, thank you. So there's a critical
Speaker 3: hospital bed shortage that will I guess material in twenty
Speaker 3: thirty two. I assume that has something to do with
Speaker 3: my generation, the baby boomers. I hate, I hate to
Speaker 3: be so upfront about it, but it's it's been that
Speaker 3: figured it out to the year at twenty thirty two.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you know, that's that's that's an estimate. And
Speaker 4: I think the baby boomers, you know, not the point
Speaker 4: fingers out, but I think that that's part of it.
Speaker 4: But really there's two components to it. The first is
Speaker 4: that if you look at the trend of national hospital
Speaker 4: occupancy over the last ten years or so, you know,
Speaker 4: really starting for the most part of the two thousands,
Speaker 4: we were hovering right around sixty four percent national hospital occupancy.
Speaker 4: Nothing changed during the pandemic, where now in this post
Speaker 4: pandemic period we are now at a steady state of
Speaker 4: seventy five percent. So we were at sixty four percent,
Speaker 4: now we're at seventy five percent. A hospital bed shortage
Speaker 4: is generally thought to occur, so you can see we
Speaker 4: kind of jumped up to get halfway there. So that
Speaker 4: was kind of the first part of the finding. The
Speaker 4: second part is we did some forward looking modeling to say, well,
Speaker 4: what is it going to take to get us there
Speaker 4: to that eighty five percent, and that's where the you know,
Speaker 4: the aging population comes in.
Speaker 2: That's where we project that just.
Speaker 4: By an aging population alone. If we do nothing else
Speaker 4: that increased demand for hospital that would put us to
Speaker 4: that eighty five percent by twenty thirty two.
Speaker 3: I know that here in New England, and we have
Speaker 3: some great hospitals here as you do in Los Angeles,
Speaker 3: but I know that here in New England they are
Speaker 3: moving people out of hospitals very quickly. The idea of
Speaker 3: having surgery and staying a couple of days to get
Speaker 3: yourself back in your feet, that's not happening in New England.
Speaker 3: It's it's kind of pumper out. Yeah. I don't know
Speaker 3: if that's happened in la as well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, No, I think that is kind of a
Speaker 4: national trend that we're seeing, and a lot of that
Speaker 4: is actually driven by data showing that's actually better for
Speaker 4: for patients. That's you know, better care because I think
Speaker 4: you know, you get people out of the hospital sooner
Speaker 4: a they become more mobile, right, and it's better to
Speaker 4: be up and about in your own home rather than
Speaker 4: sitting in a bed for twenty three hours a day.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 4: We know mobility promotes healing. We didn't used to, you know,
Speaker 4: leave that as much. We also know that, you know,
Speaker 4: hospitals can While they're great for, you know, certain life
Speaker 4: saving things, they can also be dangerous places. There's a
Speaker 4: receense that he actually.
Speaker 3: Out of yeah, five years, five years ago this month
Speaker 3: we found that out.
Speaker 4: That's exactly right, and that was just one of many examples.
Speaker 4: There's actually a study by David Bates that came out
Speaker 4: of Harvard and New England Journal just a couple of
Speaker 4: years ago that showed up to a quarter of hospitalizations
Speaker 4: have an adverse event occurred during them, and over twenty
Speaker 4: percent of those adverse events are actually preventable.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: These are things like hospital acquired infections, delirium, medication errors,
Speaker 4: things like that, and those are what we're really scared about.
Speaker 4: If a hospital bed shortage were to occur, for reached
Speaker 4: eighty five percent, those are likely to get worse, you know,
Speaker 4: because when hospitals are overcrowded, staff gets stretched thin, errors
Speaker 4: start to happen, miss medications, misdiagnoses, all things like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've known stories about people, including a family member
Speaker 3: who had a pretty bad fracture, ended up spending the
Speaker 3: better part of a night in a some sort of
Speaker 3: mobile bed, literally in a hallway because yeah, no rooms available.
Speaker 3: My question is is this problem which we know exists
Speaker 3: here in say Boston and Los Angeles, is it as
Speaker 3: acute in other parts of the country, let's say, places
Speaker 3: like Nebraska and Kansas, South Dakota, or is this something
Speaker 3: that is pervasive throughout the country.
Speaker 4: That's a very good question. And you know, the data
Speaker 4: from our study wasn't quite that granular where we could
Speaker 4: look at you know, metropolitan areas and rural versus know,
Speaker 4: urban and things like that. But I think from other
Speaker 4: data that's been published, we do find that this is
Speaker 4: generally true at large academic centers, especially in urban areas,
Speaker 4: and even non academic centers in urban areas where this
Speaker 4: phenomenon of people you know, boarding or effectively, you know,
Speaker 4: queuing up for a bed upstairs and the ed in
Speaker 4: this obscure hallway is increasingly common. What happens at some
Speaker 4: of the more rural centers is what it certainly can happen.
Speaker 4: We're also seeing a lot of staffing shortages. We're seeing
Speaker 4: it harder to actually open beds in some of these
Speaker 4: rural centers, so you get this phenomenon of what's called
Speaker 4: dormant beds, where you know, whole wards basically the beds
Speaker 4: are there, they're just not the personnel, the physicians, the
Speaker 4: ancillary staff, the nurses to be able to actually open
Speaker 4: those beds to patients. So then you actually can kind
Speaker 4: of get spill over to the nearest academic center, the
Speaker 4: nearest urban center. So it's kind of this vicious cycle
Speaker 4: where it affects and urban centers in different ways, but
Speaker 4: it negatively impacts all.
Speaker 3: Of them, you know. Doctor With every medical professional who
Speaker 3: I talk to, and I talked to a lot over
Speaker 3: the course of a month, probably at least eight or
Speaker 3: nine in these sort of relative and short interviews, I
Speaker 3: try to raise the issue of why is it That
Speaker 3: I'll leave the question hanging, but I want you to
Speaker 3: know it's something that this talk show host and longtime
Speaker 3: journalist in Boston is very concerned about. Why is it
Speaker 3: that we have a doctor shortage in this country that
Speaker 3: so many qualified young people who are graduating from great colleges,
Speaker 3: great colleges are having to go offshore to complete their
Speaker 3: medical education medical to get their medical degrees, whether it's
Speaker 3: in the Caribbean or other very good teaching institutions. What
Speaker 3: has happened to this country that as we have grown
Speaker 3: over grown, older everybody could have seen this coming that
Speaker 3: we didn't prepare better for it. We have a PCP
Speaker 3: shortage here in New England, which is incredible. I know
Speaker 3: doctors who retire who can't get a PCP in New England.
Speaker 3: So I don't know what's going on in LA, but
Speaker 3: this is something that I want to ring the belt
Speaker 3: and the alarm on every nime, every time I talk
Speaker 3: to someone like yourself who's a thought leader in your community.
Speaker 3: So I just leave it there. I'm not looking for
Speaker 3: you to join the crusade. We got to people into
Speaker 3: the medical field, period.
Speaker 4: No, that's that's absolutely true. And I think also kind
Speaker 4: of jumping off of that, we have to get more people.
Speaker 4: You just mentioned primary care that you're just here, and
Speaker 4: I think, you know, even when we we do increase
Speaker 4: the pipeline of physicians, there's such an incentive now to
Speaker 4: go into these highly highly lucrative subspecialists and some of
Speaker 4: these other positions, and less so less incentives to actually
Speaker 4: go into primary care, which which we need more of.
Speaker 4: We also need more you know, nurses and speaking of
Speaker 4: you know, pipelines there, you know, there's been a lot
Speaker 4: of I think a lot of like a catastrophic decisions
Speaker 4: in terms of health policy, like the US State Department,
Speaker 4: for example, last June froze all visas for foreign trained nurses.
Speaker 4: We already I think that the nursing shortage is actually
Speaker 4: more profound than the physician staffing shortage. And it blows
Speaker 4: my mind that these types of policies and legislation are
Speaker 4: enacted when we need desper me more nurses.
Speaker 3: I got to get you on some night and we
Speaker 3: do an hour and we talk to callers, but I'm
Speaker 3: flat out of time. We got the nine o'clock news here.
Speaker 3: I know it's a three hour difference, so I could
Speaker 3: talk to you for three more else, but we got
Speaker 3: to let you go. Doctor.
Speaker 2: Well that's great.
Speaker 6: I'll come back anytime.
Speaker 3: Lucer, thank you very much, Thank you very much. With UCLA.
Speaker 3: Thanks again. Doctor can give me back. Right after the
Speaker 3: nine o'clock news, we're going to talk about long COVID.
Speaker 3: It's the real thing, folks, Long COVID