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<v Speaker 1>It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ Boston's news radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Home.

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<v Speaker 3>Have no fear, as Nicole says, I am here. My

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<v Speaker 3>name is Dan Ray. I'm the host of Night's Side

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<v Speaker 3>here and heard every weeknight from eight them to midnight

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<v Speaker 3>on w BZ, Boston's news radio. Delighted to be sitting

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<v Speaker 3>in this iconic chair, a chair that once I was

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<v Speaker 3>filled by David Brodnoy and Paul Sullivan and by others

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<v Speaker 3>before them, and just honored to be here. I hope

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<v Speaker 3>all of you are happy to be here as well.

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<v Speaker 3>Rob Brooks is happy he's back in the control room.

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<v Speaker 3>He is the producer of this program. And Rob will

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<v Speaker 3>But in this hour we have four guests coming up,

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<v Speaker 3>Gonna deal a little bit with the some of the

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<v Speaker 3>free agent signings of the PA with Chris Price of

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<v Speaker 3>the Boston Globe, going to talk about New England slang

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<v Speaker 3>words here in New England that all of us understand

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<v Speaker 3>that would probably confuse most people from other parts of

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<v Speaker 3>the country. And we'll also talk about a growing and

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<v Speaker 3>a real crisis here hospital bed shortages. But we'll get

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<v Speaker 3>to all of that first. Well, if we want to

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<v Speaker 3>welcome back Mike Dean. He's an Axios Boston reporter and

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<v Speaker 3>he is looking at Massachusetts Democrats. They're pretty good shape

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<v Speaker 3>in Massachusetts, but how do they respond to the Trump

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<v Speaker 3>era message? And they're kind of searching for a path

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<v Speaker 3>forward and with us. Mike is going to join us

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<v Speaker 3>and tell us there's some Democrats out there that maybe

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<v Speaker 3>have some aspirations beyond Beacon Hill or maybe even beyond Congress. Mike,

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<v Speaker 3>welcome back to Night Side.

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<v Speaker 2>How are you hey? Good? How are you doing?

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<v Speaker 4>Dan greatly with yout well.

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<v Speaker 3>Obviously Governor Healy has got a little dose of the

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<v Speaker 3>Potomac fever on this anniversary of the starting of the

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<v Speaker 3>COVID crisis. Hope it works out better for her than

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<v Speaker 3>the COVID crisis did for us. Generally, they're in appropriate.

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<v Speaker 3>The Democrats are fine here. There's no Democrat in Congress

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<v Speaker 3>that's going to be beaten as far as I can

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<v Speaker 3>see anytime soon. No Democrat in either the House or

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<v Speaker 3>the Senate. But there's some little rumblings around here. What

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<v Speaker 3>are you seeing from your perch on Beacon Hill.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, you're absolutely right, And you know, Democrats have a

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<v Speaker 5>pre solid grip on Beacon Hill and our congressional delegation.

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<v Speaker 5>That's why it's so interesting when our Democratic leaders like

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<v Speaker 5>mar Healey and like Congressman Jake Auchincloss kind of go

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<v Speaker 5>into national media as they have recently to kind of

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<v Speaker 5>make the point of what we should what they should

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<v Speaker 5>be doing. You know, what are Democrats what their party

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<v Speaker 5>should be doing to get back voters. Now, it should

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<v Speaker 5>be said that, you know, the Republicans did a little

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<v Speaker 5>bit better in twenty twenty four than they did in

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<v Speaker 5>twenty twenty. Donald Trump won, you know, a few percentage

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<v Speaker 5>points more in Massachusetts than he had the previous election.

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<v Speaker 3>But was right. It was actually hundreds of thousands. I

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<v Speaker 3>think it was actually hundreds of thousands of votes.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>The let's say he had one hundred and twenty five

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<v Speaker 5>million in twenty four versus one point one seven million

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<v Speaker 5>in twenty twenty. So you know that that is a

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<v Speaker 5>significant upswing. In the state legislature, it was kind of

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<v Speaker 5>a net zero gain. I think the Democrats lost two

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<v Speaker 5>seats and one against two more Republican seats, so it

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<v Speaker 5>kind of it was a losh there. But it's interesting.

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<v Speaker 5>I think people are looking at, you know, where to

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<v Speaker 5>go next and what in Massachusetts it needs to you know,

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<v Speaker 5>what a politician for Massachusetts I should say, and say

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<v Speaker 5>for the national Party and what heally told the New

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<v Speaker 5>York Times. She did a big, proper sit down for

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<v Speaker 5>the interview podcast. It was a pretty big deal for

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<v Speaker 5>a governor to have a platform like this, and she

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<v Speaker 5>was urging her party to deliver for everyday American, saying

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<v Speaker 5>that was what was left out of the Harris campaign

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<v Speaker 5>that we just last saw. And she said, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>to be less distracted by the culture war, but at

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<v Speaker 5>the same time not abandoning those cultural issues. Heally said that.

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<v Speaker 2>Demon that's good.

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<v Speaker 3>That's going to be a little bit of a tight

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<v Speaker 3>rope to walk. That's for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely is that's where they found.

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<v Speaker 3>The Democrats in Massachusetts. I think of you know, President

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<v Speaker 3>Mike Decaccus in nineteen eighty eight. I think of President

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<v Speaker 3>John Kerry as recently his two thousand and four President

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<v Speaker 3>President Ted Kennedy uh and of course, most recently the

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<v Speaker 5>Gonna say, and only Warren off that list.

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<v Speaker 3>No, no, no, no, quite a you know, quite a

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<v Speaker 3>losing streak here from Democrats in Massachusetts. Got to go

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<v Speaker 3>back to a guy named Jack Kennedy to find a

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<v Speaker 3>Democrat to come out of Massachusetts and win the White House.

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<v Speaker 3>And yeah, certainly fun with friends of mine, my Democratic friends.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm kind of one of those people who kind

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<v Speaker 3>of a parks from both your houses in many respects.

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<v Speaker 3>I often ask I asked him, my Democrats, would you

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<v Speaker 3>say that the most famous phrase that John Kennedy invoked

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<v Speaker 3>in his State of the Union address in nineteen sixty

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<v Speaker 3>one January twenty, that cold, snowy day was ask not

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<v Speaker 3>what your country can do for you, but what you

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<v Speaker 3>can do for your country.

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<v Speaker 5>I would say was that from the inauguration it was

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<v Speaker 5>that kind of from that was from the Okay, I

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<v Speaker 5>wasn't sure if it was from the au speech that

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<v Speaker 5>was around the same time. There's so many of these

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<v Speaker 5>kids horns, that's right.

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<v Speaker 3>So my question is.

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<v Speaker 5>What thorns and speeches that kind of muddle together?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well, what my question then becomes what democrat in

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<v Speaker 3>Massachusetts today would actually quote that speech ask not what

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<v Speaker 3>your country can do for you, but what you can

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<v Speaker 3>do for your country. I don't know that there's too

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<v Speaker 3>many Democrats who are going to be quoting that phrase

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<v Speaker 3>from John Right.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, now, I hear you saying. I think from a

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<v Speaker 5>political standpoint, what these Democratic leaders are looking at is, well,

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<v Speaker 5>we know that the Massachusetts style of liberal democratic politics

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<v Speaker 5>isn't that appealing nationwide. We've seen that, as you just

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<v Speaker 5>said multiple times. But it's certainly winning here and it's

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<v Speaker 5>certainly winning in New England. Is there anything that can

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<v Speaker 5>be extrapolated from that, you know, Mark Healey winning big,

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<v Speaker 5>she's going into reelection she very likely will you know,

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<v Speaker 5>also win big again. What can she kind of show

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<v Speaker 5>the national politicians about how to get votes and how

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<v Speaker 5>to win these things. So it is kind of a

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<v Speaker 5>weird situation to be in where we're not the state

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<v Speaker 5>that is going to speak for the rest of the country. However,

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<v Speaker 5>we do have very successful Democratic politicians who are speaking

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<v Speaker 5>to you know, real voters, middle class people, about real

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<v Speaker 5>issues and getting good results. So it's just kind of

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<v Speaker 5>you know, where we're an outlier. But there might be

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<v Speaker 5>something in it. And I think that's what politicians like

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<v Speaker 5>Auchincloss and Healey are maybe telling themselves about their potential appeal.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it'll be interesting again as they venture and spend

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<v Speaker 3>more time on network programs or they spend more time traveling,

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<v Speaker 3>that can kind of snap back too. I mean, so

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<v Speaker 3>that the corollary, if you will, is there's a bunch

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<v Speaker 3>of Republicans in places like I don't know, Mississippi and

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<v Speaker 3>Alabama who do really well and they win comfortably in

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<v Speaker 3>those states. But I don't know that they're going to

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<v Speaker 3>be the national leaders for the Republican Party either. Uh,

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<v Speaker 3>they have they have to find. I think there's a

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<v Speaker 3>there's a bunch of Democrats nationally who who they can

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<v Speaker 3>look to, and maybe even Democrats that many people don't

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<v Speaker 3>know about. Congressman former Congressman Ryan from Ohio. He lost

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<v Speaker 3>a Senate seat, lost a Senate fight to JD. Vance,

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<v Speaker 3>but he's he's a really smart guy and uh, and

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<v Speaker 3>I think a lot of people around the country, Democrats, Republicans,

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<v Speaker 3>independence would listen to him before they listen to some

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<v Speaker 3>Democrat from Massachusetts. That's yeah, I mean, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 3>it's but I'll tell you. For some reason, Uh, Democratic

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<v Speaker 3>politicians in Massachusetts are always kind of looking over the horizon.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm not talking about the political horizon. I'm talking

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<v Speaker 3>about the geographical horizon. It's great fun, It is great fun.

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<v Speaker 3>I did watch the Ezra Kline interview that you referred

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<v Speaker 3>to with that Auchincloss had with Ezracline, and he made

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<v Speaker 3>a really interesting point in that interview. I'm sure you

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<v Speaker 3>remember it. Auchinclass said that Donald Trump won the city

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<v Speaker 3>of Fall River in twenty twenty four, first time in

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<v Speaker 3>one hundred years that a Republican presidential candidate had carried

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<v Speaker 3>the city of Fall River, which is a Democratic stronghold.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, he's telling it really is. In that interview, Auchincloss

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<v Speaker 5>had a lot to say about, you know, working in

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<v Speaker 5>middle class voters and what they're looking for in his district,

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<v Speaker 5>and you know, beyond. His advice to the National Party

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<v Speaker 5>was to not be what he called the Diet Coke

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<v Speaker 5>version of Republican populism, to kind of focus on the

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<v Speaker 5>economic messages, he says, to get an abundance agenda that's

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<v Speaker 5>more supply side rather sorry, I'm on a to increase

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<v Speaker 5>on the supply side. Rather than subsidizing demand. And that's

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<v Speaker 5>kind of a wonky economic message there, but it's the

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<v Speaker 5>kind of thing that, if articulated correctly, could be very

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<v Speaker 5>appealing to some, you know, working class, middle class, even

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<v Speaker 5>though in aucin classes definitely among the more moderate of

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<v Speaker 5>our Democrats in Congress, he said that the party should

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<v Speaker 5>be quote liberal, but not condescending about it. And I

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<v Speaker 5>think that's kind of where a lot of voters think

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<v Speaker 5>the Democrats have lost their way on a national level.

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<v Speaker 3>I think tone is very important. Mike Then of Axio's

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<v Speaker 3>Boston Reporter, really enjoyed the conversation. Uh, let's get you

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<v Speaker 3>back soon. Thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, great to be with you.

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<v Speaker 6>Dan.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely switch and talk about something that we all can

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<v Speaker 3>agree upon, and that is the Newickland Patriots. They've signing

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<v Speaker 3>some free agents. Chris Price for the Boston Globe will

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<v Speaker 3>tell us how critical these signings are. I think they've

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<v Speaker 3>spent a lot of money. I think they've made some

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<v Speaker 3>great moves. I'm sure Chris knows a lot more about

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<v Speaker 3>it than I do. I want to hear what he

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<v Speaker 3>has to say. Hope you do as well, my name's

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<v Speaker 3>Dan Ray. We are here on night Side for the

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<v Speaker 3>balance of the evening, for the balance of the week,

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<v Speaker 3>and frankly the balance of the next two or three months,

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<v Speaker 3>willing back on Nightside right after this.

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World

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<v Speaker 3>Delighted to be rejoined by Chris Price of The Boston Globe. Chris,

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<v Speaker 3>the Patriots had a busy Sunday and Monday. Looks to

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<v Speaker 3>me like they've made tremendous strides on sure enough, the defense.

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<v Speaker 3>They spent a lot of money. What's going on?

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<v Speaker 2>They really did. They got some big ticket items too.

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<v Speaker 2>They were not they weren't shopping in the you know,

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<v Speaker 2>at filings basement. These are guys who really, in a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of ways should be transformative pieces for the defensive

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<v Speaker 2>side of the ball. Last year we all talked about

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<v Speaker 2>how they need some upgrades on offense, particularly offensive tackle

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<v Speaker 2>as well as wide receiver. But the way they went

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<v Speaker 2>about BC's own Harold Landry. So they really did their

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<v Speaker 2>lot of these. There were some overpays there, quite honestly,

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<v Speaker 2>So I like a lot of the moves. They certainly

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<v Speaker 3>I love the Landry move because obviously, besides being a

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there are a couple of guys like that who

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<v Speaker 2>do have those connections to either Rabel or Josh McDaniels.

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<v Speaker 2>for Terrell Williams, the d defensive coordinator in Detroit Carled Williams,

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<v Speaker 2>where he was part of a defense that included Williams.

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<v Speaker 2>Splaine played very briefly for Rabel a couple of years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>Mac Holland one of the new wide receivers that they signed.

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<v Speaker 2>are together in Las Vegas. So if you want to

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<v Speaker 2>look for a common thread here, Dan, but a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of these signings, a lot of these guys do have

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<v Speaker 3>Well. That way, not only do they know what they

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<v Speaker 3>presence is in the locker room, which is important. Now.

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<v Speaker 3>My view is that the Patriots defensively were not that

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<v Speaker 3>And I want to give me a couple of signings

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<v Speaker 3>that you don't want to predict, but might suggest would

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<v Speaker 3>be worthy of the Patriots. You know it as well

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<v Speaker 3>as anybody, Chris. Whenever I talk to you, I learn

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<v Speaker 3>a lot. So who do you think we've should be

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate it, and I think a couple of guys

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<v Speaker 2>to look for. I think, first of all, they need

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<v Speaker 2>a little help on the offensive line. The short really

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<v Speaker 2>one left tackle in my regard, they went out and

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<v Speaker 2>very sturdy. He played in every single game in his

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<v Speaker 2>So this is a guy you can be you can

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<v Speaker 2>They need a left tackle. There's a guy out there

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<v Speaker 2>when they were together in Jacksonville. So you might look

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<v Speaker 2>for Cam Robinson to be added as a free agent

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<v Speaker 2>the other big name. And he just shook loose tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>He was cut loose by the Los Angeles Rams. Veteran

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<v Speaker 2>wide receiver Cooper Cup. He's not the same guy that

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<v Speaker 2>he was a couple of years ago. You know, this

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<v Speaker 2>catch one hundred and ten passes. But there's still a

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<v Speaker 3>In his game.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that if they can get the money right,

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<v Speaker 2>kind of a final piece the puzzle. Like if I

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<v Speaker 2>was Cooper Cup, I would be going to like Buffalo.

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<v Speaker 2>But if they can get the money right here in

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<v Speaker 2>New England. I think he would be a really good

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<v Speaker 2>fit for this Patriots offense.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know what his injury situation is, but he's

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<v Speaker 3>only thirty one. I happen to pick that up today.

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<v Speaker 3>So you know, wide receivers, you know, there are some

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<v Speaker 3>guys who who play a little well into their thirties.

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<v Speaker 3>Jerry Rice types though. He's a different guy than Jerry Rice.

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<v Speaker 3>But he's an explosive wide receiver, and with the Patriots

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<v Speaker 3>quarterback situation, he may like to you know, he spent

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of time obviously with Matthew Stafford with the Rams,

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<v Speaker 3>and you know, Stafford's kind of like a Derek May

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<v Speaker 3>in many respects, mole, pretty mobile and has a has

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<v Speaker 3>a gun. I'd love to see him here. I think

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<v Speaker 3>I think I would session.

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<v Speaker 2>I would say this, though, Dan, I do like Cup.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna I'm I'm a fan of Cooper Cup. He's

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<v Speaker 2>an impressive receiver, has had great success in the league

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<v Speaker 2>for an extended period of time. He's you might call

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<v Speaker 2>an older thirty one. This is a guy who's had

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<v Speaker 2>some injury problems the last couple of years. So again,

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<v Speaker 2>I would kind of exercise a little bit of caution there,

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<v Speaker 2>you're not getting the Cooper Cup of three, four or

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<v Speaker 2>five years ago. That being said, you know he would

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<v Speaker 2>still lead the Patriots and catches as currently constituted. There's

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<v Speaker 2>also two and we could talk a little bit about

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<v Speaker 2>this as it gets closer the draft and they have

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<v Speaker 2>the fourth overall pick, and there's some really intriguing possibilities

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<v Speaker 2>out there when it comes to augmenting the offensive side

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<v Speaker 2>of the ball. The guy that everyone is talking about

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<v Speaker 2>in college football Travis Hunter, two way player from Colorado,

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<v Speaker 2>Heisman Trophy winner, a guy who caught ninety something passes

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<v Speaker 2>this year and oh yeah, by the way, he can

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<v Speaker 2>also play cornerbacks. So he's another guy if you're a

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<v Speaker 2>Patriots fan, you might want to keep an eye on

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<v Speaker 2>him and you can contribute on both sides of the ball.

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<v Speaker 2>Elliott Wolf had a great line about him at the

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<v Speaker 2>Combine last month. He said, I think this is the

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<v Speaker 2>the other. So he's a guy that a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>people have their eyes on Patriots than should be really interested.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you think he'll stick around? Will he be available

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<v Speaker 3>at number four? Though? That'll be biking Sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, really for me, the Giants, who picked third overall

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<v Speaker 2>But again, Hunter is this absolutely electric performer. They might

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<v Speaker 2>cam Ward or should do or Sanders the son of

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<v Speaker 2>The other guy who Patriot Sam should keep an eye

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<v Speaker 2>on what the possibility him fall into four. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think he will, but the possibility of Penn State's Abdual Carter,

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<v Speaker 2>an absolute game wrecker of a defensive end. Abdual Carter,

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<v Speaker 2>where you tear up the plant you cross out of

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<v Speaker 2>the draft board and you say, if Abdul Carter is there,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to go get him. So the two guys

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<v Speaker 2>head and shoulders above the rest of the draft.

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<v Speaker 3>Class, I mean, that's the best player approach. By the way,

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<v Speaker 3>wouldn't you, and I like to be an older thirty five.

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<v Speaker 3>I remember the world that ain't bad football different story.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember what it was like a little bit more

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<v Speaker 2>spring and my stuff back then.

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<v Speaker 3>Me too. Hey, Chris really enjoyed it as always, you

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<v Speaker 3>know your stuff. I love talking football with you because

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<v Speaker 3>that's one sport that I need to spend more time reading,

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<v Speaker 3>reading your columns on because you do a fabulous job.

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<v Speaker 3>Chris Price on the Boston Globe. Uh. We're going to

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<v Speaker 3>talk with Chris, hopefully a lot between now and I

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<v Speaker 3>guess the started training camp and probably even beyond. Chris,

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<v Speaker 3>thank you so much for your time tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate it. Dan take Caarin. We'll definitely talk again soon.

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<v Speaker 3>You bet you, you bet you. Okay, We've got the

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<v Speaker 3>Now coming up, we're going to talk about new England slang.

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<v Speaker 3>This should be fun. Stacy Milbauer of the Grinned Post

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<v Speaker 1>It's Night Side Boston's news radio.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, all of us know that in different parts

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<v Speaker 3>of the country this words slang, your clean words, not

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<v Speaker 3>bad words, and that are endemic to that particular region

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<v Speaker 3>of the world. Here in New England, We're no exception

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<v Speaker 3>with us, is Stacey Milbauer. She writes for the Granite

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<v Speaker 3>Post News, which is a digital site. Welcome, Stacy, how

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<v Speaker 3>are you tonight?

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<v Speaker 6>I'm good, Dan, how are you great?

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<v Speaker 3>So you got some unique, quirky slang words that are

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<v Speaker 3>pretty endemic to New England. You got fifty of them.

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<v Speaker 3>This must have been a fun assignment. Maybe you came

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<v Speaker 6>I did not come up with the idea of myself,

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<v Speaker 6>whole region, not just New Hampshire.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I love the picture of the sign that says

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<v Speaker 3>frost heaves. Can you imagine being up here from Mississippi, Alabama?

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<v Speaker 3>The hell of frost leaves frosts? Yeah? Seriously, I almost

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<v Speaker 3>used the word flat lander earlier this evening. I didn't

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<v Speaker 3>realize that was one of the words you got. Let's

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<v Speaker 3>go over some of the ones that you found to

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<v Speaker 3>be most fun. Let's hit a few of them. Tell

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<v Speaker 3>second or so, and you can explain what it actually

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<v Speaker 6>You want me to pick a word, I'd love.

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<v Speaker 3>You to tell me the favorites you've You've studied it.

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<v Speaker 6>One of my favorites is spucky. So I did it spucky?

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<v Speaker 6>That yet?

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<v Speaker 5>Spucky?

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<v Speaker 3>How do you spell that's? That's like a submarine sandwich

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<v Speaker 3>right exactly south. I've been around not every that was

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<v Speaker 6>And it comes from the Italian word buckadella, which means

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<v Speaker 6>a long roll.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I had a spucky for dinner tonight. I had

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<v Speaker 3>Most people are get down of that packy and get

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<v Speaker 6>Well, so I have to explain that I'm actually urgently

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<v Speaker 6>But yeah, give me enough.

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<v Speaker 3>Give me you got spucky or a grinder. That's a

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<v Speaker 3>good one. Okay, give me a couple of one. That.

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<v Speaker 6>So the other one that surprised me is cool?

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<v Speaker 3>Have you No? I don't know, and I can read

426
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<v Speaker 3>it and fake it, but I'm not. I'm going to

427
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<v Speaker 3>let you do it because I saw it and I thought,

428
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<v Speaker 3>what the heck does that mean? That's not cool? That's

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<v Speaker 3>ghool like g O R.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, yet not like a ghost. Yeah. So that is

431
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<v Speaker 6>a term. Again, never heard of it before, but it

432
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<v Speaker 6>is the place that when you're playing a game like

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<v Speaker 6>tag or Olliel Talks and free that's your safe place,

434
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<v Speaker 6>so you can say, like you know, you can't tag

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<v Speaker 6>me out. I'm in a wicked ghoul.

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<v Speaker 3>That's one thing. You can't just stumped me on that.

437
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<v Speaker 3>You stumped me on that. But I mean the others

438
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<v Speaker 3>obviously dunks. Everybody knows dunks. I love the down East,

439
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<v Speaker 3>which of course is the Mid Coast, as you said,

440
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<v Speaker 3>the mid coast of Main and Jimmy's people you say

441
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<v Speaker 3>you want Jimmy's or anywhere else in the country, what

442
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<v Speaker 3>are they? What are you talking about? A little sprinkles

443
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<v Speaker 3>on the ice cream call and that's all I want.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, you know it's interesting. When I was researching Jimmy's,

445
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<v Speaker 6>I didn't know there was So there's a distinction in

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<v Speaker 6>some places in New Way, England that a Jimmy is

447
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<v Speaker 6>the chocolate sprinkles and a sprinkle is the colored sprinkles.

448
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<v Speaker 6>I never heard.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, chocolate chocolate sprinkles are what I want.

450
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<v Speaker 6>Who doesn't all.

451
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<v Speaker 3>Those other colors? I don't need the rainbow. I all

452
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<v Speaker 3>I want is the Jimmy because it's chocolate, and of

453
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<v Speaker 3>course the classic is frap.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah. Yeah, So this is a pat paper of mind.

455
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<v Speaker 6>So and I wrote in my article, like, god forbid,

456
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<v Speaker 6>you should call it a frat pey. I mean, that's

457
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<v Speaker 6>just why you pretend, just for New England. So yeah,

458
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<v Speaker 6>So in New York run from a milkshake is what

459
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<v Speaker 6>you would call a frap. Here, it's thick, is made

460
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<v Speaker 6>with ice cream, And here a milkshake is just like

461
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<v Speaker 6>chocolate milk that you shake up. But a frap is

462
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<v Speaker 6>the ice cream and the milk and the er Well,

463
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<v Speaker 6>I think you know.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to disagree with you a second. I'm gonna

465
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<v Speaker 3>have a little disagreement if I throw some Hershey syrup

466
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<v Speaker 3>in in my milk here, I don't think that's a frap.

467
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<v Speaker 3>I think, okay, well, I think it's a chocolate milk.

468
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<v Speaker 3>But if I if I have a blender, which of

469
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<v Speaker 3>course I never because I get I'm afraid of things electronic,

470
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<v Speaker 3>a couple of scoops of ice cream in there with

471
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<v Speaker 3>some milk and chocolate, Now.

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<v Speaker 6>That's a frap, right, Only it's only a milkshake if

473
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<v Speaker 6>your chocolate milk is shaken.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but you gotta have ice cream to make it

475
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<v Speaker 3>a frap, don't you?

476
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<v Speaker 4>You do?

477
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<v Speaker 6>You do?

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<v Speaker 2>You have?

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<v Speaker 6>And then and it's even more confusing because in Rhode

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<v Speaker 6>Island they have cabinets, which is kind of like the

481
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<v Speaker 6>same thing. They call them cabin yeah, and they think

482
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<v Speaker 6>that that comes from the place where they kept the

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<v Speaker 6>blender within the cabinet.

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<v Speaker 3>Got it, got it, got got it? Yeah. I love

485
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<v Speaker 3>some of the other phrases here, just a few of them,

486
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<v Speaker 3>for examp for you know, for wicked. Everybody knows wicked

487
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<v Speaker 3>your friend is legless, you know, I mean, I think

488
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<v Speaker 3>of the guy's accent and the Sam Adams commercials. Love

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<v Speaker 3>that d D. We know what that means, a little

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<v Speaker 3>small little thing. And of course, if we're talking about

491
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<v Speaker 3>the Massachusetts State Police to the states everybody, that's a

492
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<v Speaker 3>good one. And I love this one. Banging a yuie,

493
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<v Speaker 3>banging a yuie.

494
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<v Speaker 6>You gotta bang a yuie, You gotta bang a yuwie.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm getting out.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm getting out of this traffic. This traffic's horrible. I'm

497
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<v Speaker 3>banging a yuie. I'm not I have no idea where

498
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<v Speaker 3>I'm going, but I'm getting off the.

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<v Speaker 6>Road and you're banging that yuie. Yeah, yeah, bang.

500
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<v Speaker 3>The you.

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<v Speaker 6>My pet peeve. This is the one that causes the

502
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<v Speaker 6>most arguments of my house is the so don't die,

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<v Speaker 6>which is dramatically ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean I missed that one. Wait, hold on, wait second,

505
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<v Speaker 3>I missed the one. What is that again?

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<v Speaker 6>So don't I?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, so don't? I? Oh sure, yeah, yeah.

508
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>So I said, like I'm going to you know, let's see,

510
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<v Speaker 6>do you want an orange?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 6>No, so don't die? It means so do I. I

513
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<v Speaker 6>don't understand it, but it's it's something that people say

514
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<v Speaker 6>here in southern New Hampshire, and I think in parts

515
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<v Speaker 6>of Massachusetts are so didn't he? And when my husband

516
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<v Speaker 6>says it, I'm like, I don't understand what that means.

517
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<v Speaker 6>So did not he? To me, it's impossible, but but

518
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<v Speaker 6>it actually comes from Maine in the nineteen sixties as

519
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<v Speaker 6>a way for rebellious teenagers to get back at their

520
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<v Speaker 6>parents when they said so do I.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh okay. Well, it's always good when you when you

522
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<v Speaker 3>understand where something comes from. But again, some prom arion

523
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<v Speaker 3>is not going to understand it. Hey, but there's a

524
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<v Speaker 3>lot of phrases in Shakespeare I don't understand either. So

525
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<v Speaker 3>it's just true.

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<v Speaker 2>That's true.

527
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<v Speaker 3>It's what they were it's what they were writing at

528
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<v Speaker 3>the time at Strafford or Avelon. It's what we're saying

529
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<v Speaker 3>at the time here in New England.

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<v Speaker 6>Stacy.

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<v Speaker 3>I love the article. Folks can find that. Granted Post

532
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<v Speaker 3>is just granted postnews dot com. I think is the

533
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<v Speaker 3>is the the website.

534
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<v Speaker 6>You get online. There's a website. It's on Facebook, you know,

535
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<v Speaker 6>some x and everywhere, so you can find it in

536
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<v Speaker 6>any place. Instagram.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I love the cow Hampshire everybody. Everybody knows where

538
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<v Speaker 3>cow Hampshire is, uh, And there's yeah, yeah, yeah, well yeah,

539
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<v Speaker 3>that's one that's around and you know something that sometimes

540
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<v Speaker 3>uh sometimes it works, particularly when you're behind the wheel

541
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<v Speaker 3>the car and some guys cut you off. If you

542
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<v Speaker 3>know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 6>That's that's always what it's used. I don't think I've

544
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<v Speaker 6>ever heard it used outside of a you know, raging

545
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<v Speaker 6>driver saying it's always in the car.

546
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<v Speaker 3>Oh some of us, some of us use that term

547
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<v Speaker 3>more broadly, to be really honest with you, And I've

548
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<v Speaker 3>one of them who have used that term a little

549
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<v Speaker 3>more broadly, and it has.

550
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<v Speaker 6>Entered it's entered the Oxford English Dictionary, so it's now

551
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<v Speaker 6>a real word.

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<v Speaker 3>Well it's not only real word, but it has the

553
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<v Speaker 3>respect that I think it's in there.

554
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<v Speaker 6>It's in there what.

555
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<v Speaker 3>I do and I'm told, and this is this is

556
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<v Speaker 3>just me sometimes when I'm in a set of circumstances,

557
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<v Speaker 3>like in a store where somebody's blocking the aisle with

558
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<v Speaker 3>their carriage at an angle so no one can get by.

559
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<v Speaker 3>When they finally wake out of that slumber and they

560
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<v Speaker 3>realize they're blocking the aisle, I'd like to use that word,

561
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<v Speaker 3>but it's much better in a car when you're pointing

562
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<v Speaker 3>your finger to the guy. So here's what I do.

563
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<v Speaker 3>I go by the person after they've kind of woken

564
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<v Speaker 3>from their slumber, and I just say soto voci, very

565
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<v Speaker 3>very softly oblivious. The person doesn't hear the word, but

566
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<v Speaker 3>I plant it in their brain. And so for me,

567
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<v Speaker 3>that's a synonym that I use in grocery stores for

568
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<v Speaker 3>the phrase that most of us would use while driving

569
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<v Speaker 3>on the car and being cut off by some guy

570
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<v Speaker 3>from Massachusetts.

571
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<v Speaker 6>That is a very handy hint.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll all take that, beg Stacy, We'll talk again. Okay,

573
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<v Speaker 3>I really enjoyed. Let's do it again.

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<v Speaker 6>Okay, bye bye.

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<v Speaker 3>Stacy Milbar of the Granite Post News granted Postnews dot com.

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<v Speaker 3>We get back. I'm going to talk about a more

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<v Speaker 3>serious subject, and that is a growing shortage of hospital beds.

578
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<v Speaker 3>And if you're anywhere over the age of forty, you

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<v Speaker 3>want to pay attention back on Nightside.

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to Dan Ray Mine from the Window World

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<v Speaker 1>Nightside Studios on w b Z News Radio.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, we are going to change to a most serious

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<v Speaker 3>topic and with us is doctor Richard Lucter. He's an

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<v Speaker 3>assistant Professor of Medicine at the David Geffen School of

585
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<v Speaker 3>Medicine and UCLA and the studies lead investigator. I guess

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<v Speaker 3>we're facing first of all, elector welcome to Nightside. How

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<v Speaker 3>are you, sir?

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<v Speaker 4>I'm doing well. Thanks so much for having me here.

589
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<v Speaker 3>And is it I want to is it Lucter or

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<v Speaker 3>what is the correct pronunciation of your last name?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's actually that's actually perfect. You've done what many

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<v Speaker 4>people cannot do, which is you got to write the

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<v Speaker 4>first time.

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<v Speaker 3>I did Luketer. Okay, thank you. So there's a critical

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<v Speaker 3>hospital bed shortage that will I guess material in twenty

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<v Speaker 3>thirty two. I assume that has something to do with

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<v Speaker 3>my generation, the baby boomers. I hate, I hate to

598
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<v Speaker 3>be so upfront about it, but it's it's been that

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<v Speaker 3>figured it out to the year at twenty thirty two.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, you know, that's that's that's an estimate. And

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<v Speaker 4>I think the baby boomers, you know, not the point

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<v Speaker 4>fingers out, but I think that that's part of it.

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<v Speaker 4>But really there's two components to it. The first is

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<v Speaker 4>that if you look at the trend of national hospital

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<v Speaker 4>occupancy over the last ten years or so, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>really starting for the most part of the two thousands,

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<v Speaker 4>we were hovering right around sixty four percent national hospital occupancy.

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<v Speaker 4>Nothing changed during the pandemic, where now in this post

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<v Speaker 4>pandemic period we are now at a steady state of

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<v Speaker 4>seventy five percent. So we were at sixty four percent,

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<v Speaker 4>now we're at seventy five percent. A hospital bed shortage

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<v Speaker 4>is generally thought to occur, so you can see we

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<v Speaker 4>kind of jumped up to get halfway there. So that

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<v Speaker 4>was kind of the first part of the finding. The

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<v Speaker 4>second part is we did some forward looking modeling to say, well,

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<v Speaker 4>what is it going to take to get us there

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<v Speaker 4>to that eighty five percent, and that's where the you know,

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<v Speaker 4>the aging population comes in.

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<v Speaker 2>That's where we project that just.

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<v Speaker 4>By an aging population alone. If we do nothing else

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<v Speaker 4>that increased demand for hospital that would put us to

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<v Speaker 4>that eighty five percent by twenty thirty two.

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<v Speaker 3>I know that here in New England, and we have

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<v Speaker 3>some great hospitals here as you do in Los Angeles,

625
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<v Speaker 3>but I know that here in New England they are

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<v Speaker 3>moving people out of hospitals very quickly. The idea of

627
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<v Speaker 3>having surgery and staying a couple of days to get

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<v Speaker 3>yourself back in your feet, that's not happening in New England.

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<v Speaker 3>It's it's kind of pumper out. Yeah. I don't know

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<v Speaker 3>if that's happened in la as well.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, No, I think that is kind of a

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<v Speaker 4>national trend that we're seeing, and a lot of that

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<v Speaker 4>is actually driven by data showing that's actually better for

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<v Speaker 4>for patients. That's you know, better care because I think

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<v Speaker 4>you know, you get people out of the hospital sooner

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<v Speaker 4>a they become more mobile, right, and it's better to

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<v Speaker 4>be up and about in your own home rather than

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<v Speaker 4>sitting in a bed for twenty three hours a day.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 4>We know mobility promotes healing. We didn't used to, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>leave that as much. We also know that, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>hospitals can While they're great for, you know, certain life

643
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<v Speaker 4>saving things, they can also be dangerous places. There's a

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<v Speaker 4>receense that he actually.

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<v Speaker 3>Out of yeah, five years, five years ago this month

646
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<v Speaker 3>we found that out.

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<v Speaker 4>That's exactly right, and that was just one of many examples.

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<v Speaker 4>There's actually a study by David Bates that came out

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<v Speaker 4>of Harvard and New England Journal just a couple of

650
00:34:40.320 --> 00:34:42.800
<v Speaker 4>years ago that showed up to a quarter of hospitalizations

651
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<v Speaker 4>have an adverse event occurred during them, and over twenty

652
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<v Speaker 4>percent of those adverse events are actually preventable.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 4>These are things like hospital acquired infections, delirium, medication errors,

655
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<v Speaker 4>things like that, and those are what we're really scared about.

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<v Speaker 4>If a hospital bed shortage were to occur, for reached

657
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<v Speaker 4>eighty five percent, those are likely to get worse, you know,

658
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<v Speaker 4>because when hospitals are overcrowded, staff gets stretched thin, errors

659
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<v Speaker 4>start to happen, miss medications, misdiagnoses, all things like that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I've known stories about people, including a family member

661
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<v Speaker 3>who had a pretty bad fracture, ended up spending the

662
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<v Speaker 3>better part of a night in a some sort of

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<v Speaker 3>mobile bed, literally in a hallway because yeah, no rooms available.

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<v Speaker 3>My question is is this problem which we know exists

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<v Speaker 3>here in say Boston and Los Angeles, is it as

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<v Speaker 3>acute in other parts of the country, let's say, places

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<v Speaker 3>like Nebraska and Kansas, South Dakota, or is this something

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<v Speaker 3>that is pervasive throughout the country.

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<v Speaker 4>That's a very good question. And you know, the data

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<v Speaker 4>from our study wasn't quite that granular where we could

671
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<v Speaker 4>look at you know, metropolitan areas and rural versus know,

672
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<v Speaker 4>urban and things like that. But I think from other

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<v Speaker 4>data that's been published, we do find that this is

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<v Speaker 4>generally true at large academic centers, especially in urban areas,

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<v Speaker 4>and even non academic centers in urban areas where this

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<v Speaker 4>phenomenon of people you know, boarding or effectively, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>queuing up for a bed upstairs and the ed in

678
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<v Speaker 4>this obscure hallway is increasingly common. What happens at some

679
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<v Speaker 4>of the more rural centers is what it certainly can happen.

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<v Speaker 4>We're also seeing a lot of staffing shortages. We're seeing

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<v Speaker 4>it harder to actually open beds in some of these

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<v Speaker 4>rural centers, so you get this phenomenon of what's called

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<v Speaker 4>dormant beds, where you know, whole wards basically the beds

684
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<v Speaker 4>are there, they're just not the personnel, the physicians, the

685
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<v Speaker 4>ancillary staff, the nurses to be able to actually open

686
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<v Speaker 4>those beds to patients. So then you actually can kind

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<v Speaker 4>of get spill over to the nearest academic center, the

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<v Speaker 4>nearest urban center. So it's kind of this vicious cycle

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<v Speaker 4>where it affects and urban centers in different ways, but

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<v Speaker 4>it negatively impacts all.

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<v Speaker 3>Of them, you know. Doctor With every medical professional who

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<v Speaker 3>I talk to, and I talked to a lot over

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<v Speaker 3>the course of a month, probably at least eight or

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<v Speaker 3>nine in these sort of relative and short interviews, I

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<v Speaker 3>try to raise the issue of why is it That

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<v Speaker 3>I'll leave the question hanging, but I want you to

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<v Speaker 3>know it's something that this talk show host and longtime

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<v Speaker 3>journalist in Boston is very concerned about. Why is it

699
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<v Speaker 3>that we have a doctor shortage in this country that

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<v Speaker 3>so many qualified young people who are graduating from great colleges,

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<v Speaker 3>great colleges are having to go offshore to complete their

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00:37:38.559 --> 00:37:41.960
<v Speaker 3>medical education medical to get their medical degrees, whether it's

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<v Speaker 3>in the Caribbean or other very good teaching institutions. What

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<v Speaker 3>has happened to this country that as we have grown

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<v Speaker 3>over grown, older everybody could have seen this coming that

706
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<v Speaker 3>we didn't prepare better for it. We have a PCP

707
00:37:57.239 --> 00:38:00.360
<v Speaker 3>shortage here in New England, which is incredible. I know

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<v Speaker 3>doctors who retire who can't get a PCP in New England.

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<v Speaker 3>So I don't know what's going on in LA, but

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<v Speaker 3>this is something that I want to ring the belt

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<v Speaker 3>and the alarm on every nime, every time I talk

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<v Speaker 3>to someone like yourself who's a thought leader in your community.

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<v Speaker 3>So I just leave it there. I'm not looking for

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<v Speaker 3>you to join the crusade. We got to people into

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<v Speaker 3>the medical field, period.

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<v Speaker 4>No, that's that's absolutely true. And I think also kind

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<v Speaker 4>of jumping off of that, we have to get more people.

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<v Speaker 4>You just mentioned primary care that you're just here, and

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<v Speaker 4>I think, you know, even when we we do increase

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<v Speaker 4>the pipeline of physicians, there's such an incentive now to

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<v Speaker 4>go into these highly highly lucrative subspecialists and some of

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<v Speaker 4>these other positions, and less so less incentives to actually

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<v Speaker 4>go into primary care, which which we need more of.

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<v Speaker 4>We also need more you know, nurses and speaking of

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<v Speaker 4>you know, pipelines there, you know, there's been a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of I think a lot of like a catastrophic decisions

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<v Speaker 4>in terms of health policy, like the US State Department,

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<v Speaker 4>for example, last June froze all visas for foreign trained nurses.

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<v Speaker 4>We already I think that the nursing shortage is actually

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<v Speaker 4>more profound than the physician staffing shortage. And it blows

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<v Speaker 4>my mind that these types of policies and legislation are

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<v Speaker 4>enacted when we need desper me more nurses.

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<v Speaker 3>I got to get you on some night and we

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<v Speaker 3>do an hour and we talk to callers, but I'm

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<v Speaker 3>flat out of time. We got the nine o'clock news here.

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<v Speaker 3>I know it's a three hour difference, so I could

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<v Speaker 3>talk to you for three more else, but we got

738
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<v Speaker 3>to let you go. Doctor.

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<v Speaker 2>Well that's great.

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<v Speaker 6>I'll come back anytime.

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<v Speaker 3>Lucer, thank you very much, Thank you very much. With UCLA.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks again. Doctor can give me back. Right after the

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<v Speaker 3>nine o'clock news, we're going to talk about long COVID.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the real thing, folks, Long COVID
