Speaker 1: Hello, everyone, Welcome back to a new episode of the
Speaker 1: Poker Go Podcast. My name is Donny Peters. His name
Speaker 1: is Tim Duckworth. It is Thursday, August twenty first, eight
Speaker 1: thirty eight pm. Cramming this one in here before we
Speaker 1: go home. Just wrapped up day one of the third
Speaker 1: edition of Cash of the Titans. I know it's not
Speaker 1: on the rundown, but I do want to hit on
Speaker 1: that to start the show, so we'll talk about that.
Speaker 1: Tim's going to be out the door to San Diego.
Speaker 1: He's got to play some kangaroo ball, right, what kangaroo ball?
Speaker 2: Shot like that?
Speaker 1: What do you plan? Australian rules kangaroo ball? All right, right,
Speaker 1: changarou ball, Come on, kangaroo ball.
Speaker 2: Let's go.
Speaker 1: Do you bounce it? You kick it like you throw
Speaker 1: it out?
Speaker 3: Don't.
Speaker 2: I don't even know the rules. You have it, you
Speaker 2: kick it, you bounce it, run with it, you put
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Speaker 1: this is that episode. I got my resident kangaroo buddy
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Speaker 1: get into these news and happenings. The first thing, I
Speaker 1: know it's not on the rundown tim, so forgive me.
Speaker 1: But let's touch on day one, day one of three
Speaker 1: for Cash of the Titans. We just wrapped it up
Speaker 1: so rather unique format. If you guys don't know what
Speaker 1: Cash of the Titans is, it's basically a hybrid between
Speaker 1: a cash game and tournament worked into one. The players
Speaker 1: have to buy in for a certain amount. Okay, they
Speaker 1: get then a certain allotted amount of rebuys or add
Speaker 1: ons however they want to take them. The blind start
Speaker 1: at a certain level, but then they escalate. There are
Speaker 1: escalating levels which you don't often see in cash games.
Speaker 1: On top of that, they all post money on the
Speaker 1: side for a bonus prize pool that is divvied up,
Speaker 1: you know, depending on how that version of Cash of
Speaker 1: the Titans is structured. For this Cash of the Titans,
Speaker 1: each player there are seven players. They're each putting up
Speaker 1: seventy five k on the side, and then it's seventy
Speaker 1: five k to the biggest winner from day one. It
Speaker 1: is one hundred and fifty K to the biggest winner
Speaker 1: from day two. Just day two, and then the third
Speaker 1: and final day, three hundred thousand goes to the biggest
Speaker 1: overall winner from all three days. So it's a cash game, yes,
Speaker 1: but it also has that tournament leaderboard element to it.
Speaker 1: It has that prize pool element that a turn and has,
Speaker 1: so it's it's a blend of both worlds. For this edition,
Speaker 1: we have Andrew Robel, one of the heaviest of hitters.
Speaker 1: We have Alan Keating, an absolute maniac out there, great
Speaker 1: person to have on stream, Andrew Pachico aka Ace, Justin
Speaker 1: Gavriy Kirk Brown, Seawan Madden, and Darren Feinstein. The stakes
Speaker 1: started I think two hundred three.
Speaker 2: Hundred, two hundred three hundred and then go today went
Speaker 2: to two hundred and four hundred.
Speaker 1: So they played two levels each day across three days.
Speaker 1: So today they played Day one or yesterday theypending on
Speaker 1: when you're listening or watching to this, and then on
Speaker 1: Friday is going to be Day two. On Saturday is
Speaker 1: going to be the finale. So even if you missed
Speaker 1: Day one, action would highly encourage you to one go
Speaker 1: back and watch it because these hands were freaking ridiculous
Speaker 1: when you consider the whole like bonus prize money at steak.
Speaker 1: It's just wild how it all plays out, epic, epic
Speaker 1: ending to the whole thing, So be sure to go
Speaker 1: and watch that, and then of course it all builds
Speaker 1: today two, it builds today. A lot of fun that
Speaker 1: is available. The first level was available for free on
Speaker 1: the poker Go YouTube channel. The whole stream is available
Speaker 1: on PokerGO dot com. But I mean, we're gonna spoil
Speaker 1: it a little bit here because it's done and it's
Speaker 1: out there, you know, so if if you want to
Speaker 1: watch it, I would highly encourage you to skip the
Speaker 1: next a little bit of the episode. But I guess
Speaker 1: let me throw it to you. First, biggest kind of
Speaker 1: takeaway from day one of this Cash of the Titans.
Speaker 2: We thought it was gonna be a little smaller of
Speaker 2: a game. Yeah, that's true. I forgot to mention that.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's the kind of thing. The plan originally
Speaker 2: was one hundred thousand dollars buying, and then you get
Speaker 2: two hundred k bullets and they kick things off. They
Speaker 2: got cards in the air, some pots slide of flying,
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden it was you know,
Speaker 2: they added a couple more add ons, and they added
Speaker 2: a couple more add ons and basically the max right
Speaker 2: now is and I say right now, because we don't
Speaker 2: know what's gonna happen on day two of three. They
Speaker 2: could rules could change again. But you're allowed a total
Speaker 2: of seven one hundred cables. Now that sounds great, but
Speaker 2: it's a little unfair because you know you put it.
Speaker 2: It's unfair you're putting on this side money. You touched
Speaker 2: on a seventy five k today, he won fifty tomorrow,
Speaker 2: three hundred overall. And you know, some of these players
Speaker 2: accepted the side money and the rules and then things
Speaker 2: got changed. Now it's hard to kind of argue when
Speaker 2: certain players are like, hey, let's bump it up a
Speaker 2: bit more. So I feel bad for a couple of
Speaker 2: the guys there.
Speaker 1: But it's also one of those things where it's kind
Speaker 1: of like when you're at the final table of a
Speaker 1: tournament and everyone asked to do everyone wants to do
Speaker 1: a chop. Yeah, you don't want to be that guy
Speaker 1: who says no, So it's kind of awkward. I always
Speaker 1: say so, yeah, I know you, but I'm just saying
Speaker 1: even like you kind of I know ultimately you and
Speaker 1: I can both say we think it's unfair. Somebody could
Speaker 1: counter point that and say, yeah, but all the players
Speaker 1: agreed to it because they did, and then I would
Speaker 1: just say yeah, but like if you gave them a
Speaker 1: true serum, like would they really agree, did they really
Speaker 1: wanted to or they was doing it because everyone else,
Speaker 1: Like is it just kind of an awkward thing? So
Speaker 1: that part is a little bit interesting now end of
Speaker 1: the day, everyone did agree, right, So I get it,
Speaker 1: But I do feel like overall that definitely favors Keating
Speaker 1: and Robles specifically just because I feel like they have
Speaker 1: endless money, you know. I mean, I also kind of
Speaker 1: think Justin Gavrie might have endless money. Nothing against Justin Gavrie.
Speaker 1: I think he's a super nice guy. I think he's
Speaker 1: out there battling, whether it being no Gamble in the Future,
Speaker 1: Cash of the Titans, High Sake, Spoke, or whatever it is.
Speaker 1: This guy just cannot win in the studio. It's outrageous. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he can't do anything right. It's not that he can't
Speaker 1: do anything right, because he does a lot of stuff right.
Speaker 1: It's just that nothing goes his way. It reminds me
Speaker 1: of remember when we were through all the tournaments, especially
Speaker 1: the Super High buying stuff. Chris brew was just losing, losing, losing, bubbling, bubbling, bublin,
Speaker 1: just like huge spot after a huge spot. It reminds
Speaker 1: me of that, but in a cash game format, like
Speaker 1: Gavrey just gets his money and gets his money and
Speaker 1: gets his money, and like if he's ahead, he doesn't hold.
Speaker 1: If he's behind, he doesn't get lucky, like it just
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter, Like it's just it's so sick.
Speaker 2: This Si out there high rollpoker dot com the tracks,
Speaker 2: like have you seen this that before? Yeah, he's grafts
Speaker 2: in the positive though, So I don't know, I mean sure
Speaker 2: like Goss live streams and I doesn't count the episodes
Speaker 2: because if they're counting episodes, I think you're right.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just like I could be off in
Speaker 1: what I'm watching, but I feel like every time I
Speaker 1: see him play, it's just not going his way.
Speaker 2: Like I'm just I'm just sorry. I was like, look
Speaker 2: it has yeah, season four.
Speaker 1: I mean I even made a comment to like our
Speaker 1: group today and and Brent Hanks was like, yeah, he's
Speaker 1: always getting crushed.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Again, it's not like he's getting crush because he's a
Speaker 1: bad player. He's just like it just does not work
Speaker 1: out in his favor. It's just so sick to watch,
Speaker 1: and like you're like, at some point, like you just
Speaker 1: want to reward the guy for constantly showing up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he just shows up and continues to get punched in
Speaker 1: the face, but he continues to like have a smile
Speaker 1: on his face, He's got a drink in his hand,
Speaker 1: he's he's having a good time. At least it looks
Speaker 1: like he's having a good time, you know. So I'm
Speaker 1: sure justin Gay will have his day and maybe he's
Speaker 1: able to use one of his seven bullets in this
Speaker 1: thing and come back. But man, like another day when
Speaker 1: just like it was like really like really it's all
Speaker 1: gonna happen to him again.
Speaker 2: So anyway, continue with what you were saying. No, no,
Speaker 2: I just wanted to look at the high roll poker
Speaker 2: to see where he kind of is. And it's not
Speaker 2: as bad as you know, you and my thought, but
Speaker 2: it also could have been a lot better maybe, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and we might revisit this page when we get onto
Speaker 2: one of the later topics. But okay, yeah, look, it's
Speaker 2: it's an interesting format. It does make you know, like
Speaker 2: we said, we don't want to give too much away,
Speaker 2: but the final few hands made things interesting, just like
Speaker 2: in Cash of the Titans too, when we had Andrew Robo,
Speaker 2: Christen Fox and Sean Perry are playing kind of some
Speaker 2: massive pass in the end that you know, came down
Speaker 2: to the wire for that last bonus and the you
Speaker 2: know who, we declared us the winner. So even today
Speaker 2: we saw that it's probably gonna happen tomorrow, it's probably
Speaker 2: gonna happen on day three. It's it's a great watch
Speaker 2: and hopefully you know, if you did miss it, make
Speaker 2: sure you uh check the four replay onfi go dot com.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, listen. There were some incredibly big pots. Yeah,
Speaker 1: some would say massive, shout out, massive couple. I think
Speaker 1: three or four were north of four hundred thousand. A
Speaker 1: couple of them went over the half million mark, which
Speaker 1: when you're playing two hundred three hundred and two hundred
Speaker 1: four hundred, I mean that's wildly big. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: these guys were absolutely blasting. You had a huge three
Speaker 1: way all in at one point, you know, you had
Speaker 1: the guys playing for it all and at another point
Speaker 1: it was Darren Feinstein versus Alan Keating versus we both
Speaker 1: had middle pair on the flop and the money just
Speaker 1: got in. I mean Keating had middle pair and a
Speaker 1: flush straw. But like still just like NonStop, like just
Speaker 1: crazy stuff. Keating playing some hands blind toward the end,
Speaker 1: like it was just wild, wild wild. They get to
Speaker 1: the second to last hand of the night, an insane
Speaker 1: clash happens between Justin Gavriy and and Alan Keating. Now,
Speaker 1: when the money went in, Gavriy was behind, yes, but
Speaker 1: when you're up against a wild card that is Alan
Speaker 1: Keating on the Queen ten to seven board and you
Speaker 1: got Queen jack, I can't fault Justin Gavriy for going
Speaker 1: broke there. And Keating's just got the ten seven yeah,
Speaker 1: and they put fourteen k in pre flop each, so
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, like really again, just just going
Speaker 1: bad for Justin Gavriy there. And Keating ends up on
Speaker 1: that second to last hand of the night. He storms
Speaker 1: all the way back to take the day's lead by
Speaker 1: five K five K, and then the final hand has
Speaker 1: to play out where like him and Roebul and Sean
Speaker 1: Madden are involved in this kind of weird three way
Speaker 1: pot that Sean Madden ends up winning. And because he
Speaker 1: wins it, you know, Keating secures the day's end, wins,
Speaker 1: so he gets that seventy five thousand dollars bonus. I mean,
Speaker 1: the whole thing is just it was an incredible episode
Speaker 1: from start to finish. It started with a bang. You know,
Speaker 1: there was that hand right at the beginning again Justin Gavriy.
Speaker 1: He gets King Queen. Now he three bets. Alan Keaton
Speaker 1: gets Aces, which is like, it's just unfair like that.
Speaker 1: He gets Ace to see four bets, gets back to Keating.
Speaker 1: He calls with King Queen. Suit can't fault anything there.
Speaker 1: It's Alan Keaton could have complete napkins. It comes King High. Okay,
Speaker 1: this is horrible news for Justin Gavriy turns a King.
Speaker 1: Oh this is great news for Justin gavrie Oh no,
Speaker 1: rivers an Ace. And then that's when all the money
Speaker 1: just decides to go in. And of course Keating's got
Speaker 1: the full house over the trips for Justin Gavriy, and
Speaker 1: just like bang, right out of the gate. You know,
Speaker 1: welcome to Cash of the Titans. Alan Keating, you are
Speaker 1: just the absolute best, I guess, and just you know,
Speaker 1: more bad news for Justin Gavriy. But overall a really
Speaker 1: really great show today, four hours of play, just epic
Speaker 1: from start to finish. One player busted out. That was
Speaker 1: Ace Pachico. He lost I believe two twenty five. And
Speaker 1: then I know you you mentioned obviously the cap is
Speaker 1: seven hundred that you can lose seven to seventy five
Speaker 1: total if you include the seventy five thousand dollars side bet.
Speaker 1: But you know, A said, all right, that's my biggest
Speaker 1: loss or my stop loss. I'm out, you know for
Speaker 1: the day. He called it, called it quits, you know,
Speaker 1: essentially forfeiting his seventy five k side bet. And he's done.
Speaker 1: So they're down to six. Right, there was a big hand,
Speaker 1: that big hand that I mentioned with the queen jack
Speaker 1: for Gavrie versus the ten seven for Keating, that happened
Speaker 1: on the second to last hand of the night. Gafrey
Speaker 1: ends up reloading for one of his bullets. Hunter K
Speaker 1: back on the table. He plays one more hand. They
Speaker 1: end up bagging, I guess. But they come back with
Speaker 1: the same number of chips, right, yeah, oh they can
Speaker 1: use the add ons and yeah, but they can't like
Speaker 1: you can't like a resets like Keating's got Keating's got
Speaker 1: over five hundred K on the table. Roboles got I
Speaker 1: think over I think he is all seven hundred maybe
Speaker 1: on the table. Actually I don't know if he used
Speaker 1: it all. I think he had six or seven hundred
Speaker 1: on the table. Yeah, and he's up like two hundred
Speaker 1: thirty or something to twenty. So something like that crazy,
Speaker 1: crazy day of poker. I would highly encourage you guys
Speaker 1: to go back and watch this if you want to
Speaker 1: check it out, because I think this is one of
Speaker 1: the best products that Poker gro puts out there. I
Speaker 1: truly believe that. I think if you guys have listened
Speaker 1: to the show long enough, you would trust that I
Speaker 1: would tell you if it wasn't so yeah, the Cash
Speaker 1: of the Titans. I just really think that this format
Speaker 1: is super unique. I will also say that along those lines,
Speaker 1: I would not ever do it more than once, maybe
Speaker 1: twice a year. Like I think this is one of
Speaker 1: those things that it's unique, and part of it being
Speaker 1: special is that it doesn't happen often, like it's like
Speaker 1: a once a year thing, you know, Like if you
Speaker 1: started to be like, Okay, this format works, let's do
Speaker 1: it every single week, I'd be like, Okay, you're now
Speaker 1: you're ruining it, like you're saturating the whole thing. So
Speaker 1: let's just keep it to once a year. Build it
Speaker 1: up to be a big thing. You know, it becomes
Speaker 1: kind of an event in a way. And I really like,
Speaker 1: all right, let's move on to another big event, the
Speaker 1: National Heads Up Poker Championship. It is back, baby, sixty
Speaker 1: four players. They were drawn to the first round. When
Speaker 1: did that happen? A couple weeks ago they had the
Speaker 1: draw party in here, which was July thirty.
Speaker 2: First.
Speaker 1: The draw party was awesome. I didn't know what to
Speaker 1: expect for the draw party. You always go into those things.
Speaker 1: You're going into the unknown. You know who's going to
Speaker 1: show up. What's the vibe going to be?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: Is there gonna be a buzz or an energy in
Speaker 1: the studio because this event is back. You know, we
Speaker 1: know what the old draw parties used to be. I
Speaker 1: got to go to a couple of them. I hit
Speaker 1: a bad beat jackpot at one of them. But if
Speaker 1: you want to go on PokerGO dot com where Tim's
Speaker 1: been putting up all of the past seasons, and you
Speaker 1: can see the draw party in some of that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: You're like they're in like huge ballrooms, like they're all
Speaker 1: filling out their brackets, getting called up on stage, like
Speaker 1: it's a whole it's a whole thing. Now, this one
Speaker 1: wasn't as big as back then, but this was still
Speaker 1: I mean the room was freaking buzzy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know, a lot. We had a lot
Speaker 2: of fun there. At least fifty five of the players here.
Speaker 2: We had a few that got delayed traveling in, you know,
Speaker 2: flying in from La San France, et cetera. But I
Speaker 2: thought getting fifty five other players here was pretty good.
Speaker 2: Obviously I had some plus one's, we had media here.
Speaker 2: It was fun. You're right, like there was everyone kind
Speaker 2: of congregated in that room. We drew people in, they
Speaker 2: came in, they talked a little shit about their opponents,
Speaker 2: shook hands, took some photos. There's a bit of side
Speaker 2: bets going on, you know, like there was a lot
Speaker 2: of actally even before, like you know, betting actual brackets,
Speaker 2: but just you know, I'm going to get picked before you,
Speaker 2: and it's it's all random, so they're basically just flipping coins.
Speaker 2: But I think it was it was a great atmosphere.
Speaker 2: So yeah, very very fun night. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So that that really got you know, the buzz going
Speaker 1: and got me excited, you know, because again you're going
Speaker 1: into the unknown. You don't really know what to back,
Speaker 1: you don't know how people are going to receive it.
Speaker 1: But I think everyone there was generally excited, very very
Speaker 1: happy to be involved with it all. And then we
Speaker 1: did the draw, and the draw was a lot of fun.
Speaker 1: You know, Yes, some people weren't there, but I think
Speaker 1: you had you had Jeff Platt doing the MC duties
Speaker 1: and you know, pulling the names and whatnot. There was
Speaker 1: some you know, friendly ribbing, some jabs thrown at times.
Speaker 1: You know, you had people kind of going at each
Speaker 1: other when they were called up. So yeah, so so
Speaker 1: let's just run through, you know, some of the matchups,
Speaker 1: you know, you can find the brackets were posted on
Speaker 1: the poker ro social channels. Again, this is you know,
Speaker 1: coming out later and I know various media outs have
Speaker 1: written about the round of sixty four. I'm not going
Speaker 1: to spoil anything here, but I do want to know,
Speaker 1: first off, who is the most exciting first round matchup
Speaker 1: in your opinion?
Speaker 2: I personally think we're going to go into this diamonds
Speaker 2: bracket right down here.
Speaker 1: I'm fully prepared for you to say something freaking nuts
Speaker 1: right now, like I with the way that you do
Speaker 1: do shit, you might say the most outrageous thing ever,
Speaker 1: So go ahead.
Speaker 2: Not this time. It's to me. It was three Coin
Speaker 2: versus Michael Msrah. You got the main event. That's a
Speaker 2: good one versus three Coin. Now, it's not just that
Speaker 2: you gots some wild personalities, but it's also the style
Speaker 2: of play. We've seen three Coin on, you know, hundreds
Speaker 2: of different cash games, just a crazy maniac. We've seen
Speaker 2: Grinder doing this thing at the main event. Like it's
Speaker 2: just a clash of personalities, a clash of styles. You know. Well,
Speaker 2: if we're talking about outfits, we've got three Coin with
Speaker 2: all his stuff. We got Grinder with seventeen patches on,
Speaker 2: you know. Like it's to me, was the best, the
Speaker 2: best possible matchup that first round.
Speaker 1: I wrote that one down. Yeah it is a very
Speaker 1: very good one. But I wrote down a backup as well.
Speaker 1: So I'll go with the backup because you picked that one.
Speaker 1: But I agree with that one is probably my number
Speaker 1: one pick. I'll with Alan Keating versus Sean Deep. I
Speaker 1: think that that's just incredible, you know, I mean, Sean
Speaker 1: Deep is the tournament professional, you know, one of the
Speaker 1: best in the world, if not the best, one of
Speaker 1: the best to ever do it. Alan Keating is wild,
Speaker 1: he'll gamble it up. He's fearless, you know. So, But
Speaker 1: I also think, you know, Sean is very fearless in
Speaker 1: a lot of ways. So maybe Sean is a bit
Speaker 1: more technical than Alan Keating. The both these guys do
Speaker 1: have really big, colorful personalities. I think they're gonna have
Speaker 1: a lot of fun. I also think that the clash
Speaker 1: of styles is going to be very interesting here. So
Speaker 1: that's one that that I'm I'm very much looking forward to.
Speaker 1: And it's it's in the same part of the bracket,
Speaker 1: the Diamonds as yours. So yeah, I think it'll be
Speaker 1: hard for production to pick which will be like the
Speaker 1: main feature, you know, because one match is always like
Speaker 1: that main feature, but that one is very good. Some
Speaker 1: other some other matchups from that Diamonds portion of the bracket.
Speaker 1: You have Kevin Pollock versus live Bury. We talked about
Speaker 1: Keating versus deeb. You have Chris Moneymaker versus Igor Kirganov.
Speaker 1: Schwan Lu takes on Doug Polk, Dan Cats takes on
Speaker 1: Charlie Hook Victoria Liveshits versus David Williams, and David Williams
Speaker 1: has an interesting stat he's what one of three people want.
Speaker 2: Of three people to play all nine seasons, who are
Speaker 2: the other two? Can you guess? Hm?
Speaker 1: When did they start again?
Speaker 2: Two? Three? No?
Speaker 1: Chris Moneymaker correct, yes, as long as as long as
Speaker 1: they started after Chris Moneymaker won the main event.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, is the other one has to
Speaker 2: be made?
Speaker 1: Let me let me let me say this for the viewers,
Speaker 1: and sorry if I'm upsetting everyone, but this year there's
Speaker 1: no I you know, in to Grande, no helm. Yeah,
Speaker 1: scheduling conflicts for all three of them. And when people
Speaker 1: bitching complaints, say why didn't you guys get them? They
Speaker 1: trust me. They were the first three people we called. Okay, like,
Speaker 1: just trust us. We're not that dumb. Okay, come on,
Speaker 1: give us a little bit of credit here. First three
Speaker 1: people we called and you know, all turned it down
Speaker 1: for various scheduling reasons.
Speaker 2: So there's that.
Speaker 1: Okay, So don't go saying, oh, you guys didn't get
Speaker 1: these people. Trust us, Okay, they were the first three
Speaker 1: on the list. No, I know that that, so I'm
Speaker 1: not going to guess them.
Speaker 2: Obviously, they obviously had to play this year. Eric said,
Speaker 2: oh they boom that. Speaking of some of those names
Speaker 2: you did mention they have played nearly every year. Some
Speaker 2: of the other guys who have played eight seasons, Hu say,
Speaker 2: Barry Green, Seined Doo Bronson Blavy, Phil Lock, Antonio s.
Speaker 2: Frondiri also was I believe invited but couldn't make it right.
Speaker 2: I just know about the big three, Eric Linger and
Speaker 2: Greg rayma Elie Elizra, Mike Mattis, how they was some
Speaker 2: of the Yeah, they were ones that couldn't get to
Speaker 2: the ninth. But one matchup I thought was pretty interesting
Speaker 2: was over here, I'm going to run over the spades bracket, Okay,
Speaker 2: Casey Mills pokemonma versus Sa Taylor. Yeah, you know, it's
Speaker 2: good to have women represented here in the National Heads
Speaker 2: Up Championship. Now over the last all, this are the
Speaker 2: nine season. Of all nine seasons, this was the sixth
Speaker 2: time two girls have two ladies faced off. So yeah,
Speaker 2: good to see that. Good to see if you you know,
Speaker 2: potential main event champion matchups, you know, brewing, depending how
Speaker 2: things go, that's always something to watch. Out for but
Speaker 2: I thought it was I thought it was a decent
Speaker 2: sixty four. It's not like like you said, we didn't
Speaker 2: get run an ivy, But it's hard to get everyone here,
Speaker 2: get people to put up twenty five k, get all
Speaker 2: their schedules put together. So for what we had to
Speaker 2: kind of do with the time we had, I thought,
Speaker 2: you know, it wasn't it wasn't terrible at all.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just quickly on the women that played you mentioned
Speaker 1: Casey Lynn Mills aka Poke Omama Esther, Taylor E t
Speaker 1: is in there, Maria Kanakhova is in there. Who else?
Speaker 2: We got Christy Foxon.
Speaker 1: At Christy Foxon, we got Victoria Liftchits who I already
Speaker 1: mentioned we had Lived Very three as well, and Schwanlu.
Speaker 1: So that's that's I mean, that's a good number of women. Yeah,
Speaker 1: don't know what Maria Hoe was doing. Would have loved
Speaker 1: this scene or in this, but I don't know what
Speaker 1: she's doing. But yeah, all right, toughest first round matchup?
Speaker 1: Toughest I mean, like, okay, when when per player A
Speaker 1: knows that they're playing player B, basically they would say, like,
Speaker 1: on a scale of one to ten, how tough is
Speaker 1: my opponent? Right, combined with when player B looks at
Speaker 1: player A like, so it's like both of them the
Speaker 1: average right, because because it might be like, you know,
Speaker 1: if it's Sean de versus me Sean Deep, I might
Speaker 1: think that's very tough, but Sean Deep doesn't think it tough,
Speaker 1: so it lowers the average, right. So that's what I'm
Speaker 1: going for here.
Speaker 2: I we're going to disagree here, which is fine.
Speaker 1: Great love it can't wait. Who are you gonna pick something?
Speaker 1: You're gonna pick something absurd. You're gonna pick side Alan Roble.
Speaker 2: That was on the list.
Speaker 1: That's legitimate.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's I think it's Jesse Linus Kristen Foxon for
Speaker 2: for a couple of different reasons. Obviously, there's a lot
Speaker 2: of you know, a lot of experiences to have played
Speaker 2: against each other. Right here in the studio, When Chrissy
Speaker 2: sees Jesse, right, she's thinking, well, this is not the
Speaker 2: standard gto guy. This is helmet. This is a crazy
Speaker 2: guy who believes in angels and gorillas and all these
Speaker 2: kinds of things. So it's a tough opponent. She would
Speaker 2: probably rather face a Sam Soever, you know, or a
Speaker 2: Sean Winter or Jason Kuhn. Now Jesse is looking at
Speaker 2: christ yep. She's one of the best players in the world,
Speaker 2: one of the best female players in the world, and
Speaker 2: there's a lot of pressure on him to also beat
Speaker 2: her and advance the next round. So I think there's
Speaker 2: a little bit more in that matchup than just like
Speaker 2: this guys really good, this lady's really good. I think
Speaker 2: there's a little bit more to that one. And obviously
Speaker 2: they're both you know, top of the world right now.
Speaker 2: So that's my that's my toughest matchup, but there's definitely
Speaker 2: a few more you could choose from here.
Speaker 1: I picked Sam's overroll versus Jonathan Jaffee. Ye. I think
Speaker 1: those guys are very, very, very good players. I know
Speaker 1: that this structure is made for TV structure, it's a
Speaker 1: bit faster, yes, but I think both of these guys
Speaker 1: are very very good and very well studied that they're
Speaker 1: going to be able to adapt the structure heading in. So,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't think anyone's going to have any
Speaker 1: sort of advantage because they can adapt to the structure
Speaker 1: better than the other person in this spot. You know,
Speaker 1: if I'm Sam's overroll, I don't want to draw John
Speaker 1: Jaffee from this field. If I'm John Jaffe, I don't
Speaker 1: want to draw Sam's overroll from this field, you know.
Speaker 1: So that's that's a really really good one. I mentioned
Speaker 1: the side al and Robo one. Another tough one, just
Speaker 1: quickly scrolling through. How about Brian Rast and Renlin? You know,
Speaker 1: I know Renlin is kind of a joke exter a lot,
Speaker 1: but still a very good player. I think Eric Linger
Speaker 1: and Jason Kuhn is like sneaky tough. I mean e Dogg.
Speaker 1: I know, you know you might say, like he's not
Speaker 1: Jason Kuhn, Yes, okay, but Eatogg very very good. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: has that old school type of player in him, but
Speaker 1: is still around doing successful things in poker. So you know,
Speaker 1: if I'm Jason Kuhn, I'm not like this is no
Speaker 1: walk in the park. Eat dog is a very good player. Also,
Speaker 1: if you're Jason Kuhn, you know that Eric Lingern has
Speaker 1: played this event before, and I mean you did the
Speaker 1: structure stuff. It's not like wildly different or anything from
Speaker 1: from past year. So you know, I think Eric Linger
Speaker 1: knows like kind of what to expect, right, So I
Speaker 1: think that that's an interesting matchup there.
Speaker 2: Another interesting one to me is Mike Madison saving Childwick.
Speaker 2: La think of Mike Madis, how he's not Steven Chitwick,
Speaker 2: true Savin Chidwick, like I said, one of the best
Speaker 2: players in the world, very studied, you know, maybe the
Speaker 2: most perfect poker player out there. Mike Madison a little
Speaker 2: bit of a feel. But you have to remember, this
Speaker 2: guy's gonna fight for the last chip, and he is
Speaker 2: also the defending champion. You know, obviously we're gonna wind
Speaker 2: it back to twenty thirteen when he defeated Phil helm
Speaker 2: With to win the eighth season of the National Heads
Speaker 2: Up Championship. But like you got to think about that,
Speaker 2: you know, defending champion's gonna five for every chip. You know,
Speaker 2: even though he's taken on saving Shiitdwick, that that matchup
Speaker 2: is is probably gonna be pretty tough for both players.
Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, I think Swan Louvers Doug Polk is
Speaker 1: a pretty tough matchup for both of those players. One
Speaker 1: thing that I wanted to point out justin Gafriy Drew
Speaker 1: john Smith. So the John Smith Johns he heads up
Speaker 1: poker legend.
Speaker 2: Gavrey loses again, good luck, it's John Smith john Smith
Speaker 2: cont loose heads up.
Speaker 1: I mean, I thought it was cool when Justin Gavriy
Speaker 1: drew John Smith. And even though Justin Gavriy isn't like
Speaker 1: he hasn't isn't someone who's been around like the poker
Speaker 1: scene like a lot of these guys have for as
Speaker 1: long as these guys have, but he he knew who
Speaker 1: John Smith was. He's like, I got a battle this legend.
Speaker 1: The guy's iconic, like all this sort of like he
Speaker 1: knows the legend of John Smith, which I thought was
Speaker 1: very cool. So, you know, John Smith, we got him
Speaker 1: in this thing. You know, he was kind of a
Speaker 1: bit of a I don't know, needle and a haystack
Speaker 1: type of guy. Like trying to contact him, it's like
Speaker 1: shot in the dark, you know, and we got ahold
Speaker 1: of him. So he's out here playing. So you know,
Speaker 1: I think that's very cool as well. Easiest bracket, easiest
Speaker 1: quadrant of the bracket.
Speaker 2: To me, it was spades, you know.
Speaker 1: I look, I mean that's mine too.
Speaker 2: You look at some of the names that you know,
Speaker 2: no offense of these guys, if they listening.
Speaker 1: To defense, offense call him, we'll.
Speaker 2: Call him VIPs, We'll call him Wales. But I'm gonna
Speaker 2: lead with Boston Robb Love the guy, not the best
Speaker 2: bucket player, Rob Brig. I'm not shure how much bucker
Speaker 2: he's played. He's off making Hollywood movies.
Speaker 1: I have, like somebody like Rob wriggle right, a Hollywood
Speaker 1: actor like I I have. You could tell me he
Speaker 1: plays a home game three times a week and he's
Speaker 1: very seasoned.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: Maybe he's not a Jason Komb, but he you know,
Speaker 1: is no fish out of water, right. So, but he
Speaker 1: could also just like have never picked up cards before.
Speaker 1: The only reason I say that is because I've been
Speaker 1: around poker long enough. I've been I've seen plenty of
Speaker 1: these made for TV shows where there have been times
Speaker 1: when like literally a celebrity shows up and does not
Speaker 1: know the game, but they're they're there like for the
Speaker 1: appearance to get on TV, like all that sort of stuff. So,
Speaker 1: I mean, I have no idea what these with these
Speaker 1: celebrities bring to the table.
Speaker 2: Throwing Phil Heelma's best friend Jason Calacanis. And it's not
Speaker 2: just the VP. If we talk about the super pros,
Speaker 2: the superpros in the Spades bracket much less accomplished than
Speaker 2: the superpris and the other brackets. So that's why to
Speaker 2: May Spades definitely the softest of them all, but you
Speaker 2: know they're also fairly close. Yeah, so I agree with you.
Speaker 2: There the toughest bracket, I think it's someone who kind
Speaker 2: of touched on with Sam Sarvo and Jonathan Jaffey. That's Clubs.
Speaker 2: You know, you agree again, Yeah, if you map some
Speaker 2: of these matchups out, you know you can have Kuhn
Speaker 2: versus Chino facing several versus Winter winner of that obviously
Speaker 2: taking out Brian Rass Rainley, and that's tough. You've got
Speaker 2: Mats Salisburg, Johnny Vibes, you know, you got Phil Lack
Speaker 2: in there, You've got Nacho Barbero. You know, this is
Speaker 2: the toughest bracket and un lucky for I don't think
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure how many people out there will know
Speaker 1: Brazil God Luis rhythms prisonhole.
Speaker 2: But I mean he's not just going to roll over.
Speaker 2: He knows what he's doing.
Speaker 1: You may classify him more as like a VIP than
Speaker 1: a professional poker player, but I mean he's played enough,
Speaker 1: cash game, has been on TV enough, all that sort
Speaker 1: of stuff that he's doing.
Speaker 2: He's played a lot of a lot of cash games
Speaker 2: on TV and to say the soft spot. So you
Speaker 2: know in this in this jord Nick right, guys Battlefield
Speaker 2: Helm with her in High Stake. Seel played a bunch
Speaker 2: of World Series events. He's played on Poker Off the Dark.
Speaker 2: He loves poker. He's commentated on the World Series of
Speaker 2: Poker main event. He's not you know, whether you think
Speaker 2: he's a VIP or a fish. He's got poka chops.
Speaker 2: You know, I saw like even the so called soft
Speaker 2: spot is not soft in this in this uh side
Speaker 2: of the bracket at all.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you got Matt Solsberg versus Johnny Vibes. I saw
Speaker 1: Johnny Vibes put on social media that he got he
Speaker 1: got some heads of coaching from somebody heading into this one.
Speaker 2: I've uhev Is that his name?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know exactly who he is. He's played PGT events.
Speaker 1: What's Madanziev.
Speaker 2: The World Champ, the World Champ, the World the World.
Speaker 1: The World stoy On Madanziev Madanjiev.
Speaker 2: That's not a way you say it.
Speaker 1: I'm one hundred percent butchering it. But I did have
Speaker 1: to commentate on tables and I'm pretty sure it's like
Speaker 1: madonjev or something something like that. But you know, I apologize,
Speaker 1: but I think he put out there that like, hey,
Speaker 1: you know, if anyone needs it, I've done this, this
Speaker 1: and this, and it comes to heads up. And I
Speaker 1: think Johnny Vibes linked up with him to get some coaching,
Speaker 1: not that this isn't is an event you should be
Speaker 1: getting coaching for, mister Johnny vibe Like, what do you
Speaker 1: I don't know. I feel like that's what twenty I
Speaker 1: just feel like that's one of those read the room
Speaker 1: type of things.
Speaker 2: No, Like, I like, because take the edge when you can.
Speaker 2: Here's why I would not want.
Speaker 1: A celebrity or a VIP to get word that the
Speaker 1: pros pros.
Speaker 2: I mean, I know Johnny Vibes is like.
Speaker 1: He's I think he's I think he's a pro, but
Speaker 1: he's like he's also like a content creator. You know,
Speaker 1: he's an entrepreneur, et cetera. He's probably like, what seventy
Speaker 1: percent poker pro, eighty percent poker pro. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: just saying it's not one hundred zero. But anyway, are
Speaker 1: getting coaching like this and making it harder for you
Speaker 1: when you're already likely at a disadvantage anyway, you know,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like I think these.
Speaker 2: Guys are accepting the state or putting the money out.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm just saying. I'm just saying, like I.
Speaker 2: Don't Does that mean like the they can't get coaching themselves?
Speaker 1: No, you can, but like you don't always have that
Speaker 1: same sort of access to those people because you're not
Speaker 1: in the space, Like it's just not as easy, right,
Speaker 1: Like I don't think Kevin Pollock is grinding his social
Speaker 1: media accounts and he sees story on post post this
Speaker 1: and then he hits him up with the DM Like
Speaker 1: I just don't think that's happening, you know. But maybe maybe,
Speaker 1: like I'm just using Kevin Pollack as an example, Like
Speaker 1: maybe he is like, well, these guys are doing everything,
Speaker 1: Like you know, I don't know. I feel like I
Speaker 1: feel like the pros are already good enough, but they don't.
Speaker 2: Need the extra You got to take every EV spot.
Speaker 1: No, not not in this ws P twenty five K
Speaker 1: heads up, take all the F and EV you.
Speaker 2: Want, okay, Like in this are the same event made
Speaker 2: for TV. I think all the pro I think all
Speaker 2: the blind the first hand that's what I think.
Speaker 1: That's just I'm joking.
Speaker 2: Of course, I would have you know what, in a
Speaker 2: perfect world, maybe you want agree with me. Perfect world
Speaker 2: in this we say, you know, the red side, all pros,
Speaker 2: black side of the bracket, the space and the club,
Speaker 2: all vipas, all celebrities, all satellite entrants, so that when
Speaker 2: we get into the final, we get one on one.
Speaker 1: Okay, So here's here's something. Here's something I thought about
Speaker 1: because I know there was a lot of obviously, the
Speaker 1: the list gets out there, when the brackets get out there,
Speaker 1: you know, the matchups, and everyone's commenting, like you know,
Speaker 1: there's there's one part of you know, the community that's like,
Speaker 1: how come I wasn't invited?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Right, there's the other part of the community was like
Speaker 1: where's this person, where's this person, where's this person? Where's
Speaker 1: that person? How did this person get? Like all this
Speaker 1: sort of stuff, right, you know. So anyway, one thing
Speaker 1: that I was thinking of, are there do you think
Speaker 1: that there are sixteen non professionals that's all because like
Speaker 1: it's celebrity, it's a VIP's or whatever, like so non
Speaker 1: professional book per do you think there are sixteen in
Speaker 1: this field? Like I'm talking like the Jason Calacanis, Richard Seymour.
Speaker 1: I mean, let's just go through Richard Seymour. What's what's Jasper?
Speaker 1: I mean he plays enough, he plays Stalen Flashner. We
Speaker 1: go Calacanis and Simo to not flash place. But he's
Speaker 1: a Hollywood, he's a We're produced.
Speaker 2: Okay, Rob Riggle, Paul Boston rock five five?
Speaker 1: What about this next one?
Speaker 2: Just Nick Riot? Nick, you could Matt Bracket is so
Speaker 2: hard you could maybe count Ryan Feldman, but I don't
Speaker 2: know if you can't. Okay, So we're stay six there,
Speaker 2: Bryce Hall, you have any where? Do we think of
Speaker 2: any one? Now? I would count him as like I would.
Speaker 2: We'll count this exercise. T J.
Speaker 1: Lavin for sure, Philip Franklinlee Chef, Philip Frankly, Lily for sure.
Speaker 2: That's it there. Kevin Pollack, yes, probably Charlie Hook like that.
Speaker 2: He's another fringe on. I would probably just putting him in.
Speaker 1: So we're at like what eleven. Here's here's what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: because I feel like there was enough, There's enough people
Speaker 1: out there that voiced wanting to potentially play, and I'm
Speaker 1: not just going to give into the mob but for
Speaker 1: this exercise, what if you did you took the sixteen
Speaker 1: non profess and you just put them aside, all sixteen
Speaker 1: of them, and then you start. You had a field
Speaker 1: of sixty four of all pros and they played down
Speaker 1: to sixteen, and then you combine, so you're essentially you're
Speaker 1: essentially getting an eighty player field, which allows you to
Speaker 1: get more people that think they might have gotten in
Speaker 1: or that the fans wanted in, right, but then the
Speaker 1: the VIPs and whatever basically get fast tracked.
Speaker 2: But they're in the money.
Speaker 1: No, it's not in the money because you're still thirty
Speaker 1: two players to win one. I think I think it
Speaker 1: might be win one match. Yeah, but they're who cares?
Speaker 1: We could do this made for TV. Know, we can
Speaker 1: do whatever we want. We can put them in the
Speaker 1: money if we want to.
Speaker 2: I don't hate your idea at all, but I think
Speaker 2: i'd still prefer them being on one side of the break.
Speaker 1: I also want to say quickly that this idea, along
Speaker 1: with the idea that I was talking about last time
Speaker 1: with like the time extensions and whatever, you know what
Speaker 1: you know, I got this sort of exercise from listening
Speaker 1: to the Bill Simmons podcast and the half baked ideas
Speaker 1: that he's like, this is not a fully baked idea.
Speaker 1: This is not something that I like, I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we should a hundred percent do this. It's just something
Speaker 1: that I thought about. And now I'm having the thought
Speaker 1: exercise with you. Like, so I'm just saying, like that
Speaker 1: that's a way that we can make the field bigger,
Speaker 1: because you can't really go You and I both know
Speaker 1: we can't go from sixty four to one to twenty eight,
Speaker 1: even if we think that we could get one hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty eight with how many people voice all their stuff, like,
Speaker 1: that's just it. It's like an extra two days of play,
Speaker 1: Like it's just it's so ridiculous. Everything is so expensive.
Speaker 1: Can you really say, hey, Kevin Pollock, come take five
Speaker 1: days off your life, Like it's hard enough to get
Speaker 1: these guys take two or three days off their lives, right.
Speaker 2: I think that you know, you can have your pros
Speaker 2: that you really want to. You know, there's certain people
Speaker 2: we definitely wanted to play this event, you know, like
Speaker 2: you talk about the Negronos, the Helmless, the Ivis. You know,
Speaker 2: we definitely want some of these vfps. And then you know,
Speaker 2: there's gonna be whatever we'll call it, say, sixteen spots
Speaker 2: that are like very pro heavy. I think there's a
Speaker 2: world where you could do that could be a plan.
Speaker 2: You could do a plane in an Aria or somewhere
Speaker 2: else where. You know, you're you know, all of these
Speaker 2: pros want to play. You know, I'm getting dms. You've
Speaker 2: got some Brandon Hankscott some you know why and I
Speaker 2: in and you know why couldn't I play here? Can
Speaker 2: I get on the list? You know, get them to
Speaker 2: you know, you want to play play down, you know,
Speaker 2: play down to the to you know, from whatever it is,
Speaker 2: thirty two to eight or thirty two to sixteen and
Speaker 2: qualify to getting this eventy if you.
Speaker 1: Want me along those lines. So two things. One they
Speaker 1: used to do. They used to do a satellite to
Speaker 1: this tournament. We definitely because that's how Justin Young got
Speaker 1: an invite this year. Somebody dropped out later I can't
Speaker 1: remember who, but Justin Young got the call.
Speaker 2: He was in.
Speaker 1: But he talked about on the Table one podcast a
Speaker 1: few episodes ago. By the way, Table one podcast is
Speaker 1: I listened to that freaking thing religiously.
Speaker 2: It is great.
Speaker 1: I'm about seventy percent of the way through the last
Speaker 1: one with your boy Adam Hendricks. Justin Young when he
Speaker 1: first played it, he won a satellite, he got heads
Speaker 1: up with the guy. The guy didn't want it, so
Speaker 1: Justin basically bought the seat from the guy for cheaper.
Speaker 2: So whatever.
Speaker 1: Another thing that that makes me think of this Remember
Speaker 1: the Epic Poker League. Yeah, they used to have like
Speaker 1: that pro am right before, but like the winner of
Speaker 1: the pro am also got into the big one, which
Speaker 1: was like a closed event. Like you had to like
Speaker 1: have these certain credentials and stuff like that. You had
Speaker 1: to basically be like a certain type of player enough
Speaker 1: earnings whatever to have the right to buy in, right,
Speaker 1: but if you won the pro am as well, you
Speaker 1: like got in. So like what if there was just
Speaker 1: like generally like a satellite or like you said, like
Speaker 1: a smaller bracket or whatever it is, and then that
Speaker 1: person wins in. You know, like I think that would
Speaker 1: be cool where you know, yeah, if people out there,
Speaker 1: the pros that think they got snubbed, if they want
Speaker 1: to come play the satellite, great, but also people like
Speaker 1: let's say you and I want a fire and try
Speaker 1: and get in. I think that that just creates a
Speaker 1: cool story. So like I would, I would almost reserve
Speaker 1: like one seat for like a qualifier and just be like, hey,
Speaker 1: you know, this is what's going to be done. So
Speaker 1: so yeah, I don't know. Again, just just kind of
Speaker 1: kicking ideas around because I was thinking like, how could
Speaker 1: you expand the field? You can't really go to one
Speaker 1: twenty eight for the reasons that we mentioned, but if
Speaker 1: you did what I said, where you have sixty four
Speaker 1: like pros and and then you have the sixteen VIPs
Speaker 1: that basically get fast tracked to the front, you know,
Speaker 1: that allows you to get up to eighty, which is nice,
Speaker 1: a nice bump there. But you know, I'm just throwing
Speaker 1: throwing ideas around. So but overall, again, I thought the
Speaker 1: draw party went super well. I'm happy with how things
Speaker 1: played out. I'm excited to see how it all comes together.
Speaker 1: I mean, I know Tim and I obviously we're privy
Speaker 1: to being here and we watched it all play out.
Speaker 1: But it's it's one thing to watch things in person.
Speaker 1: It's another thing to just hitting my mic all over
Speaker 1: the place. It's another thing to just sit at home
Speaker 1: on the couch and watch it on TV and watch
Speaker 1: the final product, right I mean the guys in the
Speaker 1: back of the production team, they're going to cook up
Speaker 1: their magic.
Speaker 2: I mean tell ten episodes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I can see it, you know, I
Speaker 1: mean there was I mean, we talked about some of
Speaker 1: these matchup. There's a lot of good stuff in here, right, so,
Speaker 1: so yeah, you know, I think, all in all, I
Speaker 1: think it was very cool. I thought the set was
Speaker 1: freaking incredible. You might saw some of it through some
Speaker 1: of the social media videos, the photos or whatever that
Speaker 1: that went out from the draw party and whatnot, but
Speaker 1: the entire studio was, you know, done over all these
Speaker 1: small tables. This this table right here, this is one
Speaker 1: of the tables that if you guys can see it
Speaker 1: in the video, this is one of the tables that
Speaker 1: Tim and I hijacked. You know, we talked to our
Speaker 1: guy Justin and we said, hey.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be a podcast.
Speaker 1: We're gonna we're gonna refelt it. Yes, everything We're gonna
Speaker 1: refelt in every uh every show. We're gonna play heads
Speaker 1: up for one hundred dollars and we're just gonna we're
Speaker 1: gonna be We're gonna just gonna keep We're gonna keep playing. No,
Speaker 1: just kidding, so yeah, so I'm excited to see how
Speaker 1: it all plays out. The show is supposed to be back,
Speaker 1: like meaning this isn't just a one off type of thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think some people might point to the fact that
Speaker 1: we did that PGT Heads Up showdown, that China reim
Speaker 1: one a couple of years ago, and then we like
Speaker 1: never did it again. So you know, was that our
Speaker 1: you know, try at bringing this back. I mean maybe
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know exactly know, but whatever, but
Speaker 1: that happened, it was a one time thing.
Speaker 2: Whatever.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is back. You know, we're supposed to
Speaker 1: do it for multiple years. I know you've already been
Speaker 1: thinking and kind of like soft planning for the next one.
Speaker 1: So so yeah, I'm excited to see how this one
Speaker 1: plays out. I'm excited to.
Speaker 2: You do have a good idea of bringing that PGT
Speaker 2: hands up. Maybe it's like, let's say we're doing this,
Speaker 2: you know, mach or Aprilnexia, you know, we bring the
Speaker 2: heads up.
Speaker 1: You know, my idea with the PGT Heads Up Tournament.
Speaker 1: But justly I think I think the PGT Heads Up
Speaker 1: Tournament should be this is another half baked idea, but
Speaker 1: this is probably more like three quarters big. You know
Speaker 1: you're ready, like you could take it out and eat it,
Speaker 1: but like and you wouldn't get sick.
Speaker 2: Got it?
Speaker 1: That this should be like basically the PGTS in season
Speaker 1: tournament where we have the PGT leader board that you know,
Speaker 1: so the top let's say thirty two get the right
Speaker 1: to play. So the top thirty two get invited and
Speaker 1: they can buy in. Now people might say, like why
Speaker 1: would they buy in, And I'll say, because if you're
Speaker 1: in the thirty two, the reason why you buy it,
Speaker 1: like we could do a rake free for example, the
Speaker 1: reason that you bought you get to buy in is
Speaker 1: you get a chance at bonus points. I've already written
Speaker 1: this and maybe and maybe this has been my idea
Speaker 1: and you and I have talked about it for a
Speaker 1: long time, and maybe you just get a couple bonus points,
Speaker 1: like let's say twenty if you just buy in, so
Speaker 1: like you just just buy in and play, you get
Speaker 1: some bonus points and then we just literally it's seated
Speaker 1: one place thirty two too exactly. I know because you
Speaker 1: and I've brought this idea up to you before, and
Speaker 1: you do it like at the halfway point of the
Speaker 1: season and it's a bonus lause.
Speaker 2: You got points for entering.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: I mean, if you don't want your spot, everyone just
Speaker 2: it just rolled down the PGT label. Yeah, thirty two,
Speaker 2: thirty three comes in. Yeah, but you get guaranteed points
Speaker 2: and like, you know kind of.
Speaker 1: Thing, and maybe it maybe listen, if it's too hard
Speaker 1: to get thirty two, you just roll with sixteen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's the like, and that incentivizes people like listen,
Speaker 1: if I am in the top sixteen for the first
Speaker 1: half of the season, I get to play in this event.
Speaker 1: And then that's you know, maybe you could even do
Speaker 1: it something where like somebody the winner of that tournament
Speaker 1: just gets fast tracked to the championship, Like, you know,
Speaker 1: we can play with it, but you know, that's what
Speaker 1: I think we should do. So I also think and
Speaker 1: I know I think I brought this up to you
Speaker 1: while the National Heads of Poker Championship was happening the
Speaker 1: other day. Is that I am baffled. And this is
Speaker 1: also on us, Like from the time Mike Madisow won
Speaker 1: it last till a couple of weeks ago when we
Speaker 1: brought this back, how come no one tried to do this?
Speaker 1: It's not that complicated to do a heads up poker
Speaker 1: tournament made for TV. If you want to do thirty
Speaker 1: two players, if you want to do sixty four, whatever
Speaker 1: the heck, call it something different. Obviously you can't. We
Speaker 1: had we acquired this brand, okay, like we acquired the
Speaker 1: National Heads Up Poker Championship brand from NBC. We now
Speaker 1: own the brand, We owned all the past content, all
Speaker 1: the IP et cetera. But you didn't have to do that.
Speaker 1: Like I think WPT could have done it, a w SUP,
Speaker 1: like anyone could have done it, so one off person
Speaker 1: could have just made it. I mean, like that was
Speaker 1: such a big iconic show. It was so cool. Ratings
Speaker 1: were great, Like like, so why can't I just bring
Speaker 1: that back? I just but that also is on us,
Speaker 1: Like why didn't we also bring it back? And maybe
Speaker 1: that was the try with the PGG Heads Up Showdown
Speaker 1: because even though it was called the PGT Heads Up
Speaker 1: Showdown and technically wasn't a PGT event, which is very weird,
Speaker 1: you know, but that's on us, and maybe we should
Speaker 1: have done it right, But I just find it kind
Speaker 1: of interesting that no one did it. It's like it's
Speaker 1: almost like the National Head Up Poker Championship went away
Speaker 1: when NBC no longer was doing it, and everyone kind
Speaker 1: of thought, oh, that's sacred ground, we don't want to
Speaker 1: touch it, when it probably would have been great. But anyway,
Speaker 1: that's that. So National Head Up Poker Championship. You guys
Speaker 1: can stay tuned to well this podcast, social media channels
Speaker 1: whatever as things start coming out. When this is going
Speaker 1: to air, which I believe it's supposed to be in
Speaker 1: a couple of months, we'll put the word out. We'll
Speaker 1: let you guys know, maybe we'll do some kind of
Speaker 1: watch alongs or recap pop or whatever.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I'm excited to watch it through see how everything played
Speaker 1: out on the screen. And I hope you guys are
Speaker 1: as well.
Speaker 2: And reminded new season every Monday.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm I mean, it's great old content. It's it's
Speaker 1: nostalgia just through and through Club WPT Gold. So they
Speaker 1: rolled out this update recently, which this was a couple
Speaker 1: of days ago. Is this still on? Like they have
Speaker 1: not canceled this? Right, you're the one who plays on
Speaker 1: Club WUT Gold.
Speaker 2: I tell me this week and I cannot confront what
Speaker 2: den I if I've used this function, you for sure
Speaker 2: use it.
Speaker 1: So basically what you can do is at the end
Speaker 1: of a hand in a cash game, right or is
Speaker 1: it also okay only cash games which I'm not even
Speaker 1: sure if they're called cash games, ring game, ring game,
Speaker 1: okay ring games. Because this is a sweepsteakes poker site.
Speaker 1: You can pay some sort of money, which I'm assuming
Speaker 1: is like some sort of big blinds in relation to
Speaker 1: like the limits that you're playing small one and you
Speaker 1: can reveal like the folded cards at the table, which
Speaker 1: seems like the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen, very fishy.
Speaker 1: I saw this news get dropped and I was like,
Speaker 1: my first thought was like, is this I like triple
Speaker 1: check to the account. I'm like, is this like one
Speaker 1: of those like fake accounts that somebody's like, you know,
Speaker 1: one of these people on social media that always have
Speaker 1: fun with people and create memes and whatever, like, are
Speaker 1: they just like making fun of this sort of stuff?
Speaker 1: Like this seems like the most ridiculous update. I mean,
Speaker 1: you have Doug Polk criticized it in a video. He's
Speaker 1: an ambassador for them. You know, he's got he's got
Speaker 1: code dug everywhere, like hey sign up for club to
Speaker 1: WPT goal. But also this is ridiculous. You got Matt
Speaker 1: Burkey saying that this is actually sick. You got Brian
Speaker 1: Rass saying this is one of the worst ideas I've
Speaker 1: ever heard in poker. Sean Deep in standard Sean Deep
Speaker 1: just one sentence word Salad Fashion on social media said,
Speaker 1: the fact that you haven't canceled this yet is just awful,
Speaker 1: awful marketing. You were crushing it in long term, going
Speaker 1: to kill your site. I mean, I don't I don't understand.
Speaker 2: Why you would do this money gram.
Speaker 1: See that's kind of like what like I don't want
Speaker 1: to like get someone in trouble for something that they
Speaker 1: haven't done yet. But this it feels like a money
Speaker 1: grab in the sense that like I feel like when
Speaker 1: all the stuff happened with online poker back in the day,
Speaker 1: Like I don't know, maybe this is revisionist history, but
Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of stuff was getting launched
Speaker 1: on full to a poker to like start grabbing more money.
Speaker 1: Like they had all these you could play the same
Speaker 1: tournament like multiple times at the same time. Yeah, I know,
Speaker 1: but like was that a money grab because they kind
Speaker 1: of knew that the stuff was about to get shut
Speaker 1: down and like there's a lot of stuff now where
Speaker 1: sweepsake sites are like in the crosshairs of a lot
Speaker 1: of you know, lawmakers and states and whatnot. So is
Speaker 1: this like I don't know, it's just it's just it's
Speaker 1: just very weird.
Speaker 2: I think it's a little bit about it. It's like, hey,
Speaker 2: you know, obviously we can make a bit of extra
Speaker 2: money here. It's also maybe, you know, we don't know
Speaker 2: who's running club WPT. They might think this isn't actually
Speaker 2: a good idea, you know, and we don't know. Obviously
Speaker 2: there's a lot of negga is out there. But when
Speaker 2: Full Tilt launched the multi entry and the re entries,
Speaker 2: or even when we extended late registration, right, everyone was like,
Speaker 2: oh this is this is I don't know about this,
Speaker 2: And now it becomes the norm, the big blan nanny,
Speaker 2: you know, everyone goes, I don't know about this. Now
Speaker 2: it's the norm. So obviously this one probably will lean
Speaker 2: to not happening again. But you know, operators, hey, even
Speaker 2: ask PGT We try things. We tried things different, some work,
Speaker 2: some don't. Obviously this one is getting a lot of negativity,
Speaker 2: so it's a bit of both. I think it's a
Speaker 2: little bit of a hey let's grab some money. Hey
Speaker 2: let's try something new, let's offer play or something. But
Speaker 2: let's also think who does this benefit the most? I
Speaker 2: think the pros? What no, benefits the fish the most? Sorry, no, no,
Speaker 2: I'm a phrasing that run Who is going to use
Speaker 2: it the most? The fish? Yeah, right, which is bad
Speaker 2: long term? Yes, yeah, Now, but what is the benefits
Speaker 2: the pros? No, because in a way then the fish
Speaker 2: go or there's less fish. But the way I see
Speaker 2: it is, well, the percentage of play is on club WT. Yes,
Speaker 2: you're right. If it's.
Speaker 1: It doesn't really benefit the pros. It actually it makes
Speaker 1: it makes ultimately what this if you're like gonna say,
Speaker 1: like what's worst case scenario? Basically all the bad players
Speaker 1: are constantly clicking reveal, Right, so they're just pissing away
Speaker 1: their bankroll every single time, and they're probably doing it,
Speaker 1: and if they're bad players, at least the potential is
Speaker 1: higher that they're they're clicking it, and then they're not
Speaker 1: actually learning from what they see, so like they're just
Speaker 1: like seeing, oh he had it's Jackie bluffw it, but
Speaker 1: they're not actually yeah, they're not actually like thinking it
Speaker 1: through fully, right, So their bankroll is just getting depleted.
Speaker 1: So then where I misspoke is that in turn, the
Speaker 1: bad players die out from the site because their bankroll
Speaker 1: is getting depleted, and then it becomes harder for the pros.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so I I had that wrong. But anyway,
Speaker 1: but so overall, like for site health, like I don't,
Speaker 1: I don't feel like that's good.
Speaker 2: I think that well, the fact that the money goes
Speaker 2: straight to that's probably the worst thing. Now, the money
Speaker 2: was like if it was like a splash pop, you know,
Speaker 2: that would probably be well, the money should go to
Speaker 2: the player the hands. Yeah, yeah, so I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I don't know exactly, Like basically
Speaker 1: the site should take like max ten and even that's
Speaker 1: free money for them, yeah, you know, and that would
Speaker 1: probably just add up over time or they do something
Speaker 1: like you said, a splash pot or whatever. I just
Speaker 1: I don't know. Part of me also is like you
Speaker 1: have someone like Doug Polk who is an ambassador, right,
Speaker 1: you have someone who's a Brad Owen who is an ambassador.
Speaker 1: You have someone who's you know, I think Tony Dunst
Speaker 1: is extremely well versed in the online poker scene, like
Speaker 1: like you didn't ask these people because I'm pretty sure
Speaker 1: they would have all said like what are you doing?
Speaker 1: Like this is ridiculous, Like so you like, I don't
Speaker 1: understand how this is a thing.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I'll man, I have used it once. Of
Speaker 2: course you have, because I have. Of course, I just
Speaker 2: wanted to honestly say what it did? I how so
Speaker 2: how long I was show on your screen?
Speaker 1: Long?
Speaker 2: It's so like can you eat?
Speaker 1: So for example, you're you're playing with what two seconds
Speaker 1: seven other people? Yeah, and you see all the hands,
Speaker 1: so can you see them? Can you? Are you able
Speaker 1: to be like like, okay, I got all seven?
Speaker 2: I think I think you can. When you hit the
Speaker 2: hand history button, you can see it. You can see
Speaker 2: it there. Look god, I'll tell you the hand I had.
Speaker 2: I have had like Queen ten on a Queen ten
Speaker 2: export whatever, and I went like six six, and I
Speaker 2: was like, I'm pretty sure this guy has like ices.
Speaker 2: I bet bet followed or check followed the river. I
Speaker 2: just was like, oh, I'm going to say it here.
Speaker 2: So all I was doing was looking at his hand
Speaker 2: and revealed and I actually didn't check the hand, and
Speaker 2: so I actually don't know if it if it's the
Speaker 2: hand history or if it just pops up because I
Speaker 2: was only looking at one hand to just test the
Speaker 2: feature out.
Speaker 1: But now I know obviously the the the easy thing
Speaker 1: for the site to say is like, well, this helps
Speaker 1: prevent collusion.
Speaker 3: I mean, okay, I was just saying it helps players
Speaker 3: get better with but like if maybe if you just
Speaker 3: have the correct security protocols in place, you should be
Speaker 3: preventing collusion anyway.
Speaker 1: Like it's you know, it shouldn't rely on like Tim Duck,
Speaker 1: where is seeing some hand and be like, oh, that's
Speaker 1: weird he folded top pair to this guy for you know,
Speaker 1: one tenth part. That's very weird.
Speaker 2: Can you check into this? So so yeah, so I
Speaker 2: don't know. Yeah, I only shouldn't be out to see
Speaker 2: like there should be scenarios where you you shouldn't really
Speaker 2: be able to see all the cards, right, like I.
Speaker 1: Mean is a game of incomplete information? I mean like,
Speaker 1: so I think this is ultimately going to make this
Speaker 1: site tougher in the long run if it sticks around
Speaker 1: and the bad players are the ones that are using
Speaker 1: it and you know, are using it a lot more,
Speaker 1: and they're just going to deplete their bank goals a
Speaker 1: bit faster, like I don't think pros are really ever
Speaker 1: going to use this. I mean one because Club WPT
Speaker 1: Gold just recently launched multi table too, right, so like
Speaker 1: they're probably playing a million tables like whatever, there's onto
Speaker 1: the next hand, like it's you know, so anyway, I
Speaker 1: just think it's it's weird and off putting to me.
Speaker 2: I feel like if this was available in tournaments, I've
Speaker 2: been playing more tournaments on there, I feel like I
Speaker 2: might use it then more okay, like how do you
Speaker 2: determine the price?
Speaker 1: But true, So I also thought it was interesting that
Speaker 1: this happens, right, So it's like it's very much from
Speaker 1: the community side. Looking at Club WPT Gold, it was
Speaker 1: it was negative.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: Then you have GG Poker who launches what they call
Speaker 1: streamer Mode, which, at least from what I could tell
Speaker 1: and the people that I talked to, is like, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is very cool, this is a positive, this is innovative,
Speaker 1: like look at this. So it's just funny to me
Speaker 1: to juxtapose the two, you know, like biggest competitors and
Speaker 1: they're doing like complete opposite things that are viewed completely
Speaker 1: opposite from the community and what streamer mode is is
Speaker 1: basically GG poker. From what they said and what I
Speaker 1: gathered is that they look at the poker streaming landscape
Speaker 1: not like poker. I like, what poker go does poker streaming,
Speaker 1: like what Jason Summerville pioneered, right, So like on twitch
Speaker 1: on YouTube, you know that sort of stuff, you know,
Speaker 1: streaming yourself playing online and whatever. And they said, you
Speaker 1: know what, it seems like it's kind of dying and
Speaker 1: it's very hard for these people, these streamers out there
Speaker 1: to make inadequate sort of living from it because it's
Speaker 1: gotten harder to make money from twitch or whatever, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, that's at least the thesis of this. So
Speaker 1: what they're doing is they're offering perks to people that
Speaker 1: want to stream, and the biggest perk is one hundred
Speaker 1: percent rake back while you're streaming. Yeah, which is ridiculous.
Speaker 1: I mean that sounds incredible. Now, you do have to
Speaker 1: meet like some benchmarks in order to qualify, you do
Speaker 1: have to get approved by Gigi Poker to be like
Speaker 1: an authorized streamer or whatever. But the perks are one
Speaker 1: hundred percent rake back while you're streaming, whole card and
Speaker 1: balance hiding to protect against giving away info, a streamer
Speaker 1: panel to help you manage multiple tables, and then a
Speaker 1: visibility boost with streams showcased inside the gg poker client,
Speaker 1: and then a special avatar border as well. So I'm
Speaker 1: assuming you know, in the client it shows that like
Speaker 1: someone so is streaming and whatever. Now to qualify, you
Speaker 1: need to have three months of consistent streaming that can
Speaker 1: be on twitch or YouTube, and you have to average
Speaker 1: forty viewers, which doesn't seem that high, but there are
Speaker 1: plenty of people who I've like checked in on twitch
Speaker 1: and whatever and it's like sixteen eight. You know, it's
Speaker 1: so it it. I think that this is good because
Speaker 1: it makes basically the streamer work for it. Like you
Speaker 1: can't just slap up a stream tomorrow I have two
Speaker 1: viewers and get one hundred percent break back. You know,
Speaker 1: this is like you have to reach this benchmark. So yeah,
Speaker 1: then you have to apply, you have to get approved,
Speaker 1: and you have to link all your accounts and all
Speaker 1: that sort of stuff. If you do abuse the system,
Speaker 1: you know, manipulating stats, don't having bots, whatever the heck,
Speaker 1: you're going to lose access. So overall, you know, again,
Speaker 1: I think that they looked at streaming viewership, and they
Speaker 1: think it's been trending down, which I think I would
Speaker 1: agree with, even just like anecdotally from me, Like I
Speaker 1: used to watch more poker streams, I don't watch really
Speaker 1: any at all other than maybe Lex Veeldhaus. So even
Speaker 1: just that, like I'm just drawn to it less, which
Speaker 1: tells me it's just less popular. I mean, maybe it's
Speaker 1: just a me thing, but who knows. And then they're
Speaker 1: hoping that this, you know, this combination of you know,
Speaker 1: some financial upside with one hundred percent rake back, which
Speaker 1: if you're playing a high volume that can add up
Speaker 1: quite a bit, some better tech, some tools, all that
Speaker 1: sort of stuff. You know, it's it's good for the streamers.
Speaker 1: Right now, what does GG poker get out of this, Well,
Speaker 1: if you're streaming from GG Poker's platform and they get
Speaker 1: a whole bunch more people streaming and being successful with streaming,
Speaker 1: that's marketing, that's brand awareness, that's promotion for GG poker. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So that's what they're doing here, that's that's the play,
Speaker 1: right So and it also, you know, I think it's
Speaker 1: a good narrative thing. Again, like you have over here
Speaker 1: you have Club WPT Gold doing this, which was negatively
Speaker 1: viewed by the community over here, you got gg poker
Speaker 1: doing this, which is like wow, this is great. And
Speaker 1: also if you want to combine it, GG poker recently
Speaker 1: bought the wsop were coming off a great wicopy. The
Speaker 1: the app wsp plus was received super well. That was
Speaker 1: obviously implemented by gg poker. Like everything is kind of
Speaker 1: going like very positive for gg pokers. This is like
Speaker 1: another thing that's just great. My question is, can one operator,
Speaker 1: you know, even with you know, a fairly large financial
Speaker 1: support in the fact that they're giving one hundred percent
Speaker 1: rake back, which I mean you maybe they approve a
Speaker 1: thousand people. I mean, that could add up to a
Speaker 1: lot of money, right, can they actually turn poker streaming
Speaker 1: like into a thing again? Can they make that growth
Speaker 1: come back?
Speaker 2: I think they can. It's just not gonna be over night.
Speaker 2: It's gonna take a while, right, You're gonna have to
Speaker 2: get slowly bring these people in, slowly approve them. It's
Speaker 2: gonna slowly increase streaming traffic. That's going to increase the
Speaker 2: GG poker traffic, and then it's going to slowly widen out,
Speaker 2: widen out, widen now, So yes, they can. It's not
Speaker 2: going to be instantaneous.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: When this news came out, the first thing I did
Speaker 2: was look to see if that also included WSP dot
Speaker 2: com same. You know, I did the same. I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: maybe sort stream. That's exactly what I thought, because I
Speaker 2: was like, you know, like you know, they say forty
Speaker 2: average viewers, and you know, if you're not streaming, like
Speaker 2: you can touch it. If you're not on the streamer,
Speaker 2: that's easy. But if you're gonna stream six hours, you know,
Speaker 2: you've got to be entertaining. You got to have you
Speaker 2: either got to be good at poker or entertaining hopefully
Speaker 2: both have a good stream, have good quality. That's not easy, right,
Speaker 2: it's not super tough either. But I think this is
Speaker 2: a great step forward, you know, and it's a big
Speaker 2: step forward to try and you know, fix something. And
Speaker 2: if we're talking about gig you know in general, you know,
Speaker 2: like you touched on WSP plus app great for the
Speaker 2: live players here in Las Vegas, you know, when they
Speaker 2: go to Europe, when they go to Paradise. Now we've
Speaker 2: got this for for the guys that you know staying
Speaker 2: in Europe or wherever they are playing online streaming trying
Speaker 2: to get that Gigi Poker brand out there. They are
Speaker 2: doing I don't want to say as much as they can,
Speaker 2: but they're doing quite a lot to really do their
Speaker 2: part to grow the game. And obviously, you know, what's
Speaker 2: that saying about the rising tides. You know, a rising
Speaker 2: tide lifts all boats. Yeah, I think you know, this
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Speaker 2: the streaming out that's like ask Poker, go Haskasina Live
Speaker 2: can do all our parts and you know, the whole
Speaker 2: poker industry could definitely grow and get bigger with you know,
Speaker 2: positive initiatives like this one. Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, I agree with you.
Speaker 2: Ultimately.
Speaker 1: I can't say whether I'm like too confident that it's
Speaker 1: going to work. It might flop, but I do like
Speaker 1: the thinking here. I think it is pretty innovative, and
Speaker 1: I do want it to work because ultimately I think
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Speaker 1: just more more poker out there, from content for people
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Speaker 1: definitely for this. So we'll see if it works while
Speaker 1: we'll obviously monitor it and uh you know, we'll check
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Speaker 1: neck of the woods kangaroo boy Aussie millions. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: released a press release they said it's coming back April
Speaker 1: twenty fourth through May tenth. What the heck do we know?
Speaker 1: What is happening here?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: Is it back as we know it? It's obviously a
Speaker 1: different timeslot. So tell me, Tell I love Ozias.
Speaker 2: Tell me I love Uzzie million. So I don't know
Speaker 2: that much. I did have a meeting with them, uh,
Speaker 2: you know, I wanted to just chat about poker in general.
Speaker 2: It's obviously been quite a few years since they've been
Speaker 2: around and the.
Speaker 1: Poker when when was the last year?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so the landscape has changed, so you know, they
Speaker 2: I wanted to give them advice their questions for me.
Speaker 2: Talked a little bit about streaming, talked a little bit
Speaker 2: about this and that. Obviously moving to April, that's the
Speaker 2: biggest that's the biggest change, right, that's the window where
Speaker 2: the old Victorian Poker Championships used to be the Melbourne
Speaker 2: Poker Championships prior to that.
Speaker 1: But why I don't understand April.
Speaker 2: Main reason is, you know, January okay, obviously January beautiful
Speaker 2: time in Australia, great weather, You've got the Australian Poker Open,
Speaker 2: the Australian Tennis Open, you've got the you got some cricket,
Speaker 2: You're just great weather, right, But does Crown really need
Speaker 2: to throw a poker tournament on you know, yes, they
Speaker 2: have enough going on there, So I think they're just
Speaker 2: moving in the window. They're moving it down into it
Speaker 2: maybe like a less busy spot, so we're talking maybe
Speaker 2: discounted rooms, cheaper rooms for people traveling. Obviously weather's not
Speaker 2: as great, but hey, you can watch the Muzzi Rules football,
Speaker 2: so that's that's good enough for me. So I think
Speaker 2: that's the main reason with moving moving to that window, basically,
Speaker 2: you know, having availability in the casino in general, when
Speaker 2: everything else is so busy in that Christmas kind of period.
Speaker 2: Schedule wise, it's still they've got like a rough template
Speaker 2: of what they're doing. You know, they're still working stuff out,
Speaker 2: it's still trying to figure things out. I believe it's
Speaker 2: going to be you know, the ten k main event again,
Speaker 2: and they understand that this year is not going to
Speaker 2: be big. You know, they understand that, hey, we're coming back,
Speaker 2: but this is the building block for the next year
Speaker 2: and the next year and so forth, which makes a
Speaker 2: lot of sense. The one thing that you know, when
Speaker 2: I talk to them about is just and I'm hoping
Speaker 2: obviously we don't have a massive audience, but if the
Speaker 2: people listening at home pass it on, you know that
Speaker 2: I think of going. The biggest thing that I want
Speaker 2: to tell people is I think a lot of people
Speaker 2: are under the wrong impression of the laws and regulations
Speaker 2: in Australia when it comes to playing. You know, we
Speaker 2: have heard things where you can only play twelve hours.
Speaker 2: You know, you could only play two hour hours at
Speaker 2: a time. Then you have to go to a break. Well,
Speaker 2: you know, that makes it pretty not fun poker experience,
Speaker 2: and I don't know how tournaments would ever work. But
Speaker 2: they inform me that that is actually for cash games
Speaker 2: and for table games, and it's a thirty I think
Speaker 2: they said it was thirty six hours you have to
Speaker 2: put you get a max in a week. So if
Speaker 2: you're a one two no limit player, two five grinder,
Speaker 2: you're thinking about traveling in the I was in millions
Speaker 2: to play cash might not want to do that, you
Speaker 2: have thirty six hours max. But if you're playing tournaments,
Speaker 2: no difference, it's no different to what you experienced here
Speaker 2: in Vegas. They're going to have their normal kind of
Speaker 2: you know, you twelve to one am kind of tournament times.
Speaker 2: So if you are a tournament player thinking about going,
Speaker 2: it's normal. You know, those regulations don't really apply for you.
Speaker 2: But if you play cash or you want to play
Speaker 2: blackjack or back road or craps whatever that is, that's
Speaker 2: where those kind of hour restrictions come in. But for tournaments,
Speaker 2: completely fine, it's normal. You can go play every event
Speaker 2: under the sun.
Speaker 1: Just reading from a pokernews dot COM's article, Will Schilbeuer
Speaker 1: wrote this. He mentioned that the twenty twenty six edition
Speaker 1: will feature eighteen tournaments, estimated fourteen million AUSY prize school,
Speaker 1: which is approximately nine million USD and then Bien's are
Speaker 1: going to rage fifteen hundred OZZY to twenty five thousand.
Speaker 1: They're going to have the ten thousand, six hundred AUZZY
Speaker 1: main event, as you mentioned, which is about seven thousand
Speaker 1: dollars for US at least right now. So yeah, so
Speaker 1: we'll you know, we'll see how things play out. I
Speaker 1: freaking love this tournament. I think it's absolutely incredible. I
Speaker 1: love Australia. I would love to go back for this.
Speaker 1: Take the pot on the road, Take the Pod on
Speaker 1: the road. That would be incredible. If Crown will have us,
Speaker 1: I will freaking be there. Okay, let's freaking go. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, this tournament is it's always been incredible, you
Speaker 1: obviously know, and it's it's it's a lot of fun.
Speaker 1: So I felt like, in a lot of ways is
Speaker 1: when it went away, you know, we lost one of
Speaker 1: our majors. Crown Ozzie Million's main event was like always
Speaker 1: one of the big four or five tournaments in the world.
Speaker 1: Hopefully it comes back, and also you know, hopefully that
Speaker 1: they do it right. Yeah, you know, like I you know,
Speaker 1: so I think they should listen to you. Just do
Speaker 1: whatever you say, basically, That's.
Speaker 2: What I think. I mean. Yeah, look, I think people
Speaker 2: have to understand that this is Yeah, they're dipping their
Speaker 2: foot back in the water. It's it's not going to
Speaker 2: be thousands and thousands of plays in the main event.
Speaker 1: But what was the biggest one they ever had?
Speaker 2: Do we know, probably in this nine to seventy one.
Speaker 1: No, never got over nine hundred, oh twenty nineteen. So
Speaker 1: the second to last one, Yeah, they had eight twenty two.
Speaker 1: Twenty eighteen was eight hundred, then it was eight twenty two,
Speaker 1: then it was eight twenty.
Speaker 2: I always thought one of my favorite frames out right,
Speaker 2: it is a freezer.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: One of my.
Speaker 1: Favorite things to like write about and talk about was
Speaker 1: how whatever the Aussie Millions did, the was main event
Speaker 1: field size would mirror that for like the longest time.
Speaker 1: It was like the weirdest thing ever. So you know,
Speaker 1: because you guys copy us, Yeah, sure, but you know
Speaker 1: that then they didn't have it for a while.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, what a freaking tournament. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to saying what they put together, like
Speaker 2: schedule wise, and you know, if you know, if we're involved,
Speaker 2: who knows, we'll see what kind of happens. But you're
Speaker 2: looking forward to it finally coming back, and obviously each
Speaker 2: year is going to keep growing.
Speaker 1: So yeah, let's go. Let's go Australia, baby, come on, baby.
Speaker 1: I just as we were talking about it, I went
Speaker 1: to the I went to Ozzie Millions dot com. It
Speaker 1: rear directed me to the Crown website. Okay, then I
Speaker 1: clicked about the Auzie Millions discover page. Then it said
Speaker 1: join our poker community. I clicked that brings me to
Speaker 1: a Facebook group and I just submitted to enter it. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm in, I'm fully back in. I'm fully in.
Speaker 2: Baby.
Speaker 1: Let's go. Give me all the freaking Lambington's. And what
Speaker 1: do I drink for the car? Flat white? No, I
Speaker 1: don't think short black? Yeah, give me that. Let's go, baby,
Speaker 1: come on, I'm ready to go. And that sweet money,
Speaker 1: that's sweet, sweet money. It's incredible. Let's go to Cyprus.
Speaker 1: ONYX Super high Roller Series a couple events that we
Speaker 1: want to talk about here. I think this series overall
Speaker 1: is still going. But they had a ten k buy
Speaker 1: in what is called the gig Millions.
Speaker 2: I think it's just called the GG millions.
Speaker 1: Five million dollar Guaranteed Prize pill one million dollar first
Speaker 1: place prize. Uh Moosa Ahmad from Lebanon wins it all
Speaker 1: for a million dollars, topping a field of five hundred
Speaker 1: and ten entries. Jamil Wakeel out of Canada. I'm believe
Speaker 1: he made the final table of VPT money. Carlo also
Speaker 1: one with the mys click mis click, slow rolled angle, whatever,
Speaker 1: the heck you want to call it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was that one.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: He finished his second for six hundred and fifty k, big,
Speaker 1: big tournament here. And then I also want to hit
Speaker 1: on the fact that Jesse Lonis won the one hundred
Speaker 1: and two thousand dollars ONYX Super high Roller Series Invitational.
Speaker 1: He was paired with Johann Gilbert Yo Viral, and I
Speaker 1: think I saw yo Viral say on social media that
Speaker 1: he backed Jesse in this tournament for fifty percent of
Speaker 1: his action. So Lonis won this the minuted deal heads
Speaker 1: up for one point seventy five million, so I think
Speaker 1: half of it went to Johann, half of it goes
Speaker 1: to Jesse. I guess I just wanted to touch on
Speaker 1: those two winners as a jumping off point. I mean,
Speaker 1: this series looks like it's the new kid on the block. Well,
Speaker 1: the fields look big, Yeah, they look juicy. They're getting
Speaker 1: a lot of big names there. You know, we've seen
Speaker 1: a lot of the big finish guys are over there
Speaker 1: now for some of the polo stuff that's happening. I
Speaker 1: just mentioned Jesse Lonis. I know Nick Shulman is over there,
Speaker 1: Eric Wasserson, Phil Ivy is in the mix. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I've they have by ins, like they have
Speaker 1: that ten k, they have a fifty k, they have
Speaker 1: one hundred k's like they got all this sort of stuff.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I feel like this is like this series like just
Speaker 1: has arrived. They're kind of out of nowhere, and it's
Speaker 1: been good. It's been fun to watch it. It's been
Speaker 1: fun to follow it. And yeah, I think it's on
Speaker 1: the map.
Speaker 2: Well it was around last year. It was our series,
Speaker 2: so it's it's that same window. It's this very similar events.
Speaker 2: But yes, it's it's more on Expace. It's more it's
Speaker 2: more linked with you know, with Trenton and GG. But yeah,
Speaker 2: it's you know, first of all, Cyprus, beautiful hotel, beautiful beach,
Speaker 2: beautiful pools. There a great venue to go to, great
Speaker 2: service everything, So I can understand why people are you know,
Speaker 2: heading there to go play this event. One thing, one event,
Speaker 2: you can't you know, there's a lot of events. In
Speaker 2: one event. There was one hundred k PLO that wrapped
Speaker 2: up two of our kind of PLO regulars, the Tara
Speaker 2: Guerrero third place Smallly. They made a three way deal
Speaker 2: Sam Sibila yeah, what did I say? Similarly, yeah, Ben
Speaker 2: Lamb was at that final table, as were the final table.
Speaker 2: Trying to think who else Martin Dan was at the
Speaker 2: final table. All guys that play here in our studio,
Speaker 2: but one hundred k plow event. What about the phil
Speaker 2: Ivy He did not final table that but one point
Speaker 2: nine million there for the first they did it yet,
Speaker 2: like I said, three way.
Speaker 1: Deal, he's this guy who's in first place, Donnie. Let's
Speaker 1: see there was another one. Do you see the other one?
Speaker 2: Dubai Dubai police, Yeah, what are we doing? Well? What what?
Speaker 1: What do you That might have been his name? No,
Speaker 1: there's no shot that was he's like put Dubai Police.
Speaker 2: Yeah probably yeah, but yeah it's from possibly the new
Speaker 2: high Roller series out there in Cyprus. Good time. People
Speaker 2: want to get out of Vegas. What do we possibly
Speaker 2: it for sure? Is well, let's see if they're doing
Speaker 2: next to you, like you know, but.
Speaker 1: The process that I feel like I saw here Jesse
Speaker 1: Loan has finished sixth place in his other tournament.
Speaker 2: They've got also the Onyx you know, cash game room,
Speaker 2: so like I think four or five tables in and
Speaker 2: that's where they do the live streams from.
Speaker 1: DoD Jesse Loans lose a Coger.
Speaker 2: What the hell He's got angels and gorillas and he's
Speaker 2: only showed us I never.
Speaker 1: I mean his his his arrival on the content creation
Speaker 1: scene is certainly entertaining, I'll say that. So so yeah, anyway,
Speaker 1: you know, I just want to kind of mention the
Speaker 1: honest Super Highroller series stuff talking about Monarch. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't even know where this thing came from. Where
Speaker 1: you're talking about Monarch versus. Okay, So I started Jungleman
Speaker 1: two weeks ago somewhere up in Europe, and and they
Speaker 1: had a two million dollar heads up cash game. Kate's lost,
Speaker 1: not one, but it came out of nowhere. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: was like, all of a sudden, I saw like something
Speaker 1: on like somebody tweeted something and something. I was like,
Speaker 1: what the hell is happening?
Speaker 2: They come here and he played a heads up match
Speaker 2: with Cameron mackri or something. I think he lost two
Speaker 2: million to him, wanted to play again. It was like
Speaker 2: three am in Cyperci and he's like, no, I gut.
Speaker 2: So they didn't play. Next night they played Kate's I
Speaker 2: think Kate's won a million. Then Monarch won a million.
Speaker 2: Then they played again, Monarch won a million, then they
Speaker 2: played for three million kates one, then they went to five,
Speaker 2: and then they got to six. It was just absurdity.
Speaker 2: And then the next night they played a full ring
Speaker 2: cash game. Monarch dusted six hundred k pretty quickly.
Speaker 1: I mean, who the hell is Monarch? Nothing against the guy.
Speaker 1: I just like, it's like out of nowhere. It was
Speaker 1: like I just saw something on social media. It was
Speaker 1: like Jungleman's playing Monarch. I was like, who the hell
Speaker 1: is Monarch?
Speaker 2: He's in you know, he's a Finnish guy. He's like
Speaker 2: the he owns like an e sports company. He I
Speaker 2: think he owns.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm assuming se I just always assume Crypto.
Speaker 1: I just assumed Crypto, you know. And it's just like,
Speaker 1: what the hell just happened? So he was also very
Speaker 1: weird to watch them play. I mean I didn't watch
Speaker 1: the whole thing, but I too go in here and there,
Speaker 1: but like one part is they're playing this insanely high
Speaker 1: six matchup, but they had like no chips on the tape.
Speaker 1: I think that's what they wanted, I know, but it
Speaker 1: was just weird for a viewing standpoint. And then second,
Speaker 1: they're like across this massive table. Yeah, and like ninety
Speaker 1: percent of the time that I was watching Jongleman's on
Speaker 1: his phone, so it was just confused.
Speaker 2: It was yeah, they're on their phone. That wasn't great,
Speaker 2: but I mean it was. It was great to wash
Speaker 2: some of the hands. Monk did this hand where he
Speaker 2: triple barreled six high and Kate's had I think he
Speaker 2: had kings up and uh he ended up folding the river.
Speaker 2: But yeah, crazy action. Yeah, they're on their phones a lot.
Speaker 2: There wasn't much table talk. They had two dealers. Remember
Speaker 2: when they did that. It was millions, like fifteen years ago.
Speaker 2: Remember that one dealer dealing. They had one dealer shuffling,
Speaker 2: So that was good. They're doing some different swit screens.
Speaker 1: I could have this wrong, but I think Crown was
Speaker 1: the first to do that, not during Ozzie Millions. Remember
Speaker 1: they had that speed poker cham Challengexley.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, the first use of shot Fox was the
Speaker 2: speed poker. But look, it was entertaining. Who knows where
Speaker 2: he gets his money from? Every time they they he lost.
Speaker 2: He wanted to play bigger, play for side money. Kates
Speaker 2: wanted odds. He gave him odds. As long as Kate's
Speaker 2: up the buying from five million to six million, it's
Speaker 2: giving him three point six million to three million dollar odds.
Speaker 2: It was like group chats with all these side bets
Speaker 2: in it and stuff. It was, I don't know, it was.
Speaker 2: It was pretty crazy. It was enjoyable to watch. I
Speaker 2: watched ninety percent of it. I think, so very unplanned
Speaker 2: because even the commentators were just like, yeah, I was
Speaker 2: on the golf course and I got told that, I.
Speaker 1: Got called on that, you know, I had to just whatever.
Speaker 2: I had to come down and uh and jump in
Speaker 2: the booth. So they didn't even know what was going on.
Speaker 2: But it was very entertaining, and I hope we see
Speaker 2: some more monarch cash games.
Speaker 1: I kind of hope that I was thinking about this too,
Speaker 1: Like I hope that I hope he just pops up
Speaker 1: like once every two years, like like he he like
Speaker 1: he doesn't become a thing, because then it makes it
Speaker 1: look more special if he's just like this unicorn, like
Speaker 1: you have no idea what he's gonna pop up. Kind
Speaker 1: of like at least my memory how I think about isolder. Yeah,
Speaker 1: before he was Victor Blob, like you never knew when
Speaker 1: he was gonna play, and then he would just.
Speaker 2: Pop up rail heaven Boom.
Speaker 1: They're going like that's it, you know, like it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: he's playing Antonio's heads up for a bazillion dollars, Like
Speaker 1: let's go.
Speaker 2: I uh. We talked a little bit earlier about the
Speaker 2: High Rolepoker dot com website 'SI Katola. Who is Monarch.
Speaker 2: He is the very top of the losing leader board.
Speaker 2: He's last seven ten point four nine two million dollars,
Speaker 2: so he's the new Guila Liberty in sixteen hours. I'll
Speaker 2: play now. It doesn't have his win versus Jungle the
Speaker 2: first win for two million, So let's just interpret this
Speaker 2: with a grain of salt. He's hourly is negative one million.
Speaker 2: The next worst loser is that the right next best
Speaker 2: loser anyway has only last seven points, The next biggest loser,
Speaker 2: next biggest seven point seven, and if we go to
Speaker 2: the top, who's down seven points zero ton Zwan. They
Speaker 2: did an article on him on Poker News literally three
Speaker 2: days ago about him losing all this money, and then
Speaker 2: Monarch takes his spuck top Dan Kates fourteen point five
Speaker 2: million dollars. He's hourly thirty three k it has rankings
Speaker 2: of how many spots they moved up. He moved up
Speaker 2: four thousand and ninety five spots on this lead aboard.
Speaker 2: He's only like forty two players that they're tracking.
Speaker 1: But will they track cash of the Titans.
Speaker 2: I'm assuming so it has high sex poker episodes has
Speaker 2: no gam when our future has streams, assuming they'll add
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Speaker 2: move on.
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Speaker 1: Let's go WSIP Paradise. They dropped their schedule December fourth
Speaker 1: through eighteenth, down in the Bahamas at the Atlantis Paradise
Speaker 1: I Island Resorts. I believe that's a couple of days
Speaker 1: earlier than last year. Maybe I'm wrong there, but that's
Speaker 1: my recollection. Fifteen Gold Bracelet events. The Super Main Event returns.
Speaker 1: That's not new news. Of course they did announce that
Speaker 1: during this summer's was be main event, but it returns
Speaker 1: with a sixty million dollar guarantee. They said, you know what,
Speaker 1: fifty wasn't enough. It doesn't matter, We're going to sixty.
Speaker 1: Let's go baby, I mean wild wild. They also have
Speaker 1: a two seven hundred and fifty dollars circuit Championship Mystery
Speaker 1: Bounty with a five million dollar guarantee.
Speaker 2: That's the doc right, that's basically the new teams I
Speaker 2: think so.
Speaker 1: Yes. That's also the lowest buying on the schedule. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is very much made for high buying players, some
Speaker 1: would say super players. They have the fifty three hundred
Speaker 1: dollars Super Colossus, and then they have six Triton events,
Speaker 1: at least that's what I count. Six events had the
Speaker 1: Triton name in them. So I mean thoughts on the schedule.
Speaker 2: Well, first of all, it's very ballsy up in the
Speaker 2: guarantee after you missed it the year before. But but
Speaker 2: I thought they made it well with the way they
Speaker 2: do the numbers. They missed it, how do you know?
Speaker 2: I think they made it? You know, okay, whatever, they
Speaker 2: made it, yes, and then they have to still take
Speaker 2: the fees out after they made it, so it actually
Speaker 2: went under. So that's ambitious, but good on them putting
Speaker 2: more money in the community. This is, without doubt a
Speaker 2: high roll or only series, and that's fine if that's
Speaker 2: what they're targeting. I get it. You got all these
Speaker 2: big buying events, lots of entries, lots of re entries.
Speaker 2: You know, it's a very expensive trip, you know, chasing bracelets.
Speaker 2: You talk about that twenty seven hundred dollars circuit event.
Speaker 2: If you know, I know, you do win a package,
Speaker 2: right if you qualify? Is that enough if you're a
Speaker 2: circuit grinder, because you can't if you're you know, let's
Speaker 2: talk about these circuit grinders. Ninety eight percent of them.
Speaker 2: This is a big mind, twenty seven hundred dollars, right,
Speaker 2: they play a lot smaller. They're grinders. They're playing the
Speaker 2: four hundreds, the six is, the eight hundreds, you know,
Speaker 2: et cetera. So will they decide to go there to
Speaker 2: play you know, a mistery bounty event, knowing that they
Speaker 2: probably can't really play anything else, or will they give
Speaker 2: that up to possibly play something with more value to them,
Speaker 2: maybe here in Las Vegas. So it is what this
Speaker 2: schedule is it's built for high rollers. I hate it.
Speaker 2: On what I don't like it? It's high it's a
Speaker 2: high roller Braces series.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I don't I don't mind that. I feel
Speaker 1: like I feel like there is certainly appetite in the market,
Speaker 1: there is this sort of stuff. There is the part
Speaker 1: I don't like. I mean, I understand why they did it,
Speaker 1: but I personally just don't think that they need to
Speaker 1: do it. Like I don't think you need to partner
Speaker 1: with Triton. I think the Dubasby brand itself is big enough.
Speaker 1: Like so I I just I would do this on
Speaker 1: my own, Like I think you can do it on
Speaker 1: your own.
Speaker 2: I think you didn't have a Trent event, you know,
Speaker 2: I guess they lost them, says if we didn't have
Speaker 2: the Trent and would we still get the same numbers
Speaker 2: in those high roles. Does having that try and brand
Speaker 2: bring some of those real try and loyalists, you know,
Speaker 2: out to play this event? And possibly?
Speaker 1: I mean, I think I think a lot of those
Speaker 1: Triton players would love to come to the disipy in
Speaker 1: the States, but for various reasons they don't, largely taxes
Speaker 1: and stuff. But this is the Bahamas so I think
Speaker 1: that they would probably go down here and play. So
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, maybe you lose a percentage of them,
Speaker 1: but I still think you would get enough. I also
Speaker 1: think that if you just did a lot of qualification
Speaker 1: to all these different buyings on the GG poker platform,
Speaker 1: which I'm sure they do any of, yes, but like
Speaker 1: you're going to get a lot of those guys that
Speaker 1: are playing there that are like, Okay, you know, I'll
Speaker 1: take some shots and win. Maybe I went into this
Speaker 1: hundred care or whatever.
Speaker 2: So I still wish this was just I know there's
Speaker 2: a little battle going on. I just really wish this
Speaker 2: was in January different time, you know, because we're going
Speaker 2: to probably touch on a little bit the win that
Speaker 2: the WBT World Championship here for sure to win. But
Speaker 2: don't forget one of the biggest stops in Europe is
Speaker 2: running at the same time as this EPT Prague, and
Speaker 2: that had I believe, record breaking numbers. Right. Is that back? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I have it on my schedule. I just I just.
Speaker 1: I can't remember if it's been back or now. I
Speaker 1: mean it's probably back, but yeah it is. I have
Speaker 1: some of the December third through fourteenth. I just don't
Speaker 1: like the BATTLEPT.
Speaker 2: You know, there's when you're talking about fifty K buying,
Speaker 2: twenty five K, bye hundred K buyings. It's a very
Speaker 2: small play pool. And you know you have these events
Speaker 2: on at EPT Prague. They have a fifty K super
Speaker 2: high roller, they have a ten K ten K high roller,
Speaker 2: and they have five k Maine. You know, you've got
Speaker 2: the win. Whatever they're going to be doing, it's really
Speaker 2: stretching that playpool out. So just if this was November,
Speaker 2: if this was January, if this is a different time,
Speaker 2: you can have one hundred percent of the market share
Speaker 2: and then you can have your staying high buying events.
Speaker 2: You could also probably have another twenty lower buying events
Speaker 2: and really make this, you know, a second World series
Speaker 2: outside of Vegas. So that's my only really grap about this.
Speaker 2: But look, people are going to go there because they
Speaker 2: want to play big, they want to win a lot
Speaker 2: of money, they want to chase bracelets. I just think
Speaker 2: they're leaving a lot of fat in the barn by
Speaker 2: making these buyings so big and picking these exact dates.
Speaker 1: I like the fact that they're skewing the buying higher,
Speaker 1: you know, I think that that's clearly what this series
Speaker 1: is made for, and then because of that, I probably
Speaker 1: wouldn't have this twenty five hundred, Like I just like
Speaker 1: I just wouldn't, you know, I would probably have nothing
Speaker 1: lower than a ten k, Like I would have a
Speaker 1: few ten k's on the schedule. You obviously have the
Speaker 1: twenty five k super main event, and then you know,
Speaker 1: do whatever you want for a fifty k, s, hundred k's,
Speaker 1: et cetera.
Speaker 2: But I feel like.
Speaker 1: The the twenty five hundred Circuit Championship, I mean, that's
Speaker 1: square peg round hole like it Like that's doesn't fit.
Speaker 1: Like obviously this is clearly, at least to me, a
Speaker 1: high roller series, So why are you then inviting that
Speaker 1: that down there? I think you can do that elsewhere.
Speaker 1: Like I just always still feel like that Circuit Championship
Speaker 1: should like be during the summer. That's when everyone is
Speaker 1: in Vegas.
Speaker 2: You're going to get the biggest numbers, like et cetera.
Speaker 1: Like most eyeballs are on you know, celebration of it,
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. Yeah so yeah, so I mean, but
Speaker 1: I like the fact that they go, you know, fully
Speaker 1: high roller with it. I mean, I think this is
Speaker 1: clearly catered towards ones like specific player. Basically it's it's
Speaker 1: the high roller and that's fine. You know. They basically
Speaker 1: are like, Okay, this is that this little like narrow
Speaker 1: path that we're going down with this, and that's what
Speaker 1: it's going to be.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: I will say that, and I will say like, this
Speaker 1: is also why and I advocated for this last year.
Speaker 1: I think WPT for their December stuff should go a
Speaker 1: bit the other way like where I say that in
Speaker 1: my opinion wy Paradise, or at least my thought right now,
Speaker 1: is that they should have the lowest buying be ten k. Yeah,
Speaker 1: WPT World Championship. I feel like the highest buying should
Speaker 1: be the ten K World Championship and everything else should
Speaker 1: be between like five hundred to five thousand. And like
Speaker 1: you you try and go for that market, right and
Speaker 1: you also another like another piece of the market that
Speaker 1: I think WPT World Championship like can go for and
Speaker 1: I think they do try and go for it is
Speaker 1: the mixed game crowd, because there's no mixed games on
Speaker 1: the the Paradise schedule, right. I know they had the
Speaker 1: one well I know they had the one.
Speaker 2: Was it an eight game? I think they have it so.
Speaker 1: They do the eight game mix, it's ten K buying,
Speaker 1: but wasn't that twenty five K last twenty that's the
Speaker 1: one Walterson one deal is choice.
Speaker 2: And they couldn't make a deal his choice because they
Speaker 2: didn't have all the games.
Speaker 1: So I find that interesting that that's like I would
Speaker 1: I would, honestly if I was as I would just
Speaker 1: throw it out out, like what's the point, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't think that that even matters, right, yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean unless you're gonna have more of them to draw
Speaker 1: on more of that crowd. I just don't even think
Speaker 1: that that's like, just have a ten G six hundred plo,
Speaker 1: ten K six hred half and half five car po
Speaker 1: out whatever, you know, something like that, and then you
Speaker 1: know again. WPT who they announced their dates for December
Speaker 1: second through twenty second, and then they don't have like
Speaker 1: specific dates to the tournaments. They don't have the full
Speaker 1: tournament schedule, but they did say that the ten four
Speaker 1: hundred dollars WPT World Championship will have three starting flights
Speaker 1: starting on December thirteenth. The WPT Prime Championship has four
Speaker 1: starting flights and that's gonna start on December seventh, So
Speaker 1: I'm also curious, you know, what does the WPT do
Speaker 1: because two years ago, Kurt right, they did the forty million. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then that's kind of what sparked this whole thing. Oh,
Speaker 1: you're gonna do forty million, We're gonna do fifty million.
Speaker 1: You know, they missed the forty million. Now w SP's
Speaker 1: over here going, not only did we do fifty, we're
Speaker 1: going to go to sixty. Okay, WPT ditch their guarantee entirely.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: They did do very well on the turnout for that event,
Speaker 1: even without a guarantee, right, I think that they did
Speaker 1: better than I thought they would do. So that's a
Speaker 1: win in my opinion for the WPT. They got what
Speaker 1: two thousand I think it was, yeah, twenty three hundred
Speaker 1: and ninety two, which I think is freaking incredible for
Speaker 1: a ten K, especially with no guarantee. I am curious
Speaker 1: to see if they do it without a guarantee, Like,
Speaker 1: do we start to see this this downward trend. I'm
Speaker 1: always big on like, you know, don't freak out after
Speaker 1: like one instance of something, But if you start seeing trends,
Speaker 1: that's when you start like being.
Speaker 2: Like, okay, so well the thing.
Speaker 1: But also last year is they even though they didn't
Speaker 1: have the guarantee, they had that five million dollar free roll.
Speaker 1: So like like, we haven't heard it anything about a
Speaker 1: free role, So like what are they?
Speaker 2: What are they?
Speaker 1: What is their pop? What is like this is our
Speaker 1: shiny object?
Speaker 2: What is it? Yeah, I mean we have to see
Speaker 2: Obviously we're talking August right now. It's we don't know
Speaker 2: where that sweepsakes market's going to be in December, right,
Speaker 2: so that's going to matter a lot. You have to
Speaker 2: remember you said there's no guarantee on that event, but
Speaker 2: there was in a way a million dollar guarantee because
Speaker 2: they gave a hundred seats out for that event. I mean,
Speaker 2: that's something guarantee, something guarantee. But you know that number
Speaker 2: includes one hundred extra players. I was one of them
Speaker 2: that want to say, sure that one.
Speaker 1: Hundred may But what I'm saying, we haven't heard any
Speaker 1: of that stuff. True, true, But I'm just at some
Speaker 1: point you have to start marketing that. I mean it
Speaker 1: is almost going to be September.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say that if I was to guess,
Speaker 2: they would maybe do something very similar. I don't think
Speaker 2: we'll see guarantee. It's more of a question of what
Speaker 2: will will there be some kind of five million dollar
Speaker 2: free role promotion kind of effort around that, I would
Speaker 2: say that if without that, I would say that the
Speaker 2: numbers will most likely be very similar or even more.
Speaker 2: You know, I think I think Paradise is a little
Speaker 2: stay off for some people. So I see people don't going.
Speaker 2: I think you can still go to Paradise, come back.
Speaker 2: We you know, we talked to Jeremy Osmas. You know,
Speaker 2: he was at my that my main event table that day,
Speaker 2: and he goes, yeah, I was sick of it. I
Speaker 2: had to come back. I think we'll see a bit
Speaker 2: of that. You know, we mentioned it last week, but
Speaker 2: we got to talk about the bitcoin price. You know,
Speaker 2: that will affect things a little bit too. So yeah,
Speaker 2: I would think that people would prefer to congregreatee here.
Speaker 2: You know, we're going to throw in whatever Ari is doing.
Speaker 2: You know, they did something new last year for December.
Speaker 2: I'm going to say that they're doing something this year
Speaker 2: that will contribute to people wanting to come here and
Speaker 2: turn December into a mini summer right where you know,
Speaker 2: everyone's got competing things. We're gonna have win we can
Speaker 2: have you know, we can have the MGM properties. You know,
Speaker 2: you can get a lot of value. We should have PGT.
Speaker 2: We do have PGT events called the PGT Rags Riches.
Speaker 2: We should have PGTREGT. We should, but it's too hot.
Speaker 1: You're too much of a knit.
Speaker 2: Not a knit. You're a knit. Not a knit, You're
Speaker 2: a knit. It's just in the schedule for it.
Speaker 1: Yes, there is. You know what we should do. I
Speaker 1: know exactly what we should do. We should have like
Speaker 1: five twenty five case what dice whenever the win is,
Speaker 1: whenever the wind is running some fifteen hundred.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they they're smart enough.
Speaker 1: Tene you You are in no way, shape or form
Speaker 1: scared to do ten k's and fifteen k's when the
Speaker 1: regular World Series of.
Speaker 2: Poker is running, says everyone's here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and enough people will be here that will want
Speaker 1: to come play a twenty five k nothing less than
Speaker 1: a twenty five kids, I'll have like four or five
Speaker 1: twenty five case.
Speaker 2: I think it's the user. It's the user. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm going to bet it goes up. We really have
Speaker 2: to see what happens.
Speaker 1: I'm going to say it dips slightly. And I say
Speaker 1: that because I mean minimum dips slightly. I think that's
Speaker 1: the biggest barometer in poker.
Speaker 2: Sure, but we had travel regulations and all kinds of
Speaker 2: other issues with them. Also.
Speaker 1: Listen, I know you can say that that people have
Speaker 1: soured a little bit on going to the Bahamas in Paradise,
Speaker 1: and I have heard the same things. Yeah, it is
Speaker 1: ten million dollars more. Guaranteed, they got to get people
Speaker 1: from somewhere. They gotta put them in.
Speaker 2: You gotta put up twenty five k.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but they said they're going to qualify a thousand people.
Speaker 1: How much those people got to qualify from somewhere?
Speaker 2: How much does the rule changes that they made last
Speaker 2: year annoy people that were there where they're like, I'm
Speaker 2: not going.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure, I'm sure, I'm sure there's some of that. Yes,
Speaker 1: but I'm saying, remember, remember they're still going to cram
Speaker 1: people in via satellites. And maybe those people because there
Speaker 1: was enough internationals that came to the win in December,
Speaker 1: maybe those like and maybe maybe in you know, last year,
Speaker 1: maybe they came because let's say they didn't win a package.
Speaker 1: They tried to win a package, right, and they just
Speaker 1: didn't win one. So they're like, Okay, whatever, I'll go
Speaker 1: to the win, you know, not a big deal. I'm
Speaker 1: kind of over the Bahamas anyway, I'll go to the win.
Speaker 1: It's not as expensive to go to Vegas versus going
Speaker 1: to Atlantis, Like, okay, I'll just go to the win.
Speaker 1: What if they end what if those people end up
Speaker 1: winning a package? Right, Like, I'm just like, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just think it's gonna be like I think we're
Speaker 1: gonna see something similar in the Bahamas where they're basically
Speaker 1: like right at sixty million for the prize Bowl, like
Speaker 1: once again, just like they were basically right at fifty
Speaker 1: million dollars, right, So maybe if they take the fees out,
Speaker 1: they dip below it whatever, like, but I don't think
Speaker 1: they're gonna like, I mean, I maybe they will, but
Speaker 1: I don't think they're gonna like get seventy five million
Speaker 1: in the prize I go out of nowhere. I think
Speaker 1: it's gonna be like very close to sixty. And then
Speaker 1: I think WPT is probably gonna be like twenty two hundred,
Speaker 1: which is like not even like that big of a dip.
Speaker 1: So it's it's whatever. I'm more curious as it relates
Speaker 1: to the WPT, like I almost don't like I guess
Speaker 1: this is probably a bad way to phrase it, but
Speaker 1: I just almost don't care about the World Championship, Like
Speaker 1: iow it just be like I think. I know, it's
Speaker 1: obviously big and it's great whatever, but I don't know.
Speaker 1: I like big shiny objects, man, So like when you
Speaker 1: had a big guarantee on it, it was just a
Speaker 1: shiny object to me. To me, did I play it
Speaker 1: last year? I did not play it last year. I
Speaker 1: did not play it last year because I did not
Speaker 1: like the fact that I didn't have a guarantee. I
Speaker 1: thought that that would play into the fact that it
Speaker 1: made the tournament a little bit harder because you don't
Speaker 1: you don't have to cram in a bunch of qualifiers.
Speaker 2: They crammed me in then and my money way.
Speaker 1: And honestly, I did think it was somewhat difficult, like
Speaker 1: more difficult than than I would have liked to if
Speaker 1: I'm gonna, you know, stretch myself for a ten K.
Speaker 1: Now I am one hundred and sixty third best player
Speaker 1: in the world, so maybe I will try and come back.
Speaker 2: You should you should make yeah, And I did.
Speaker 1: I did cash that tournament once. I can't remember what
Speaker 1: place was that two hundred and something something?
Speaker 2: This is you know once that once it's vent Ron's.
Speaker 2: That's this is the new one chance. I think I'm
Speaker 2: up in ten k events, so you have to defend
Speaker 2: your one hundred and sixty third place. I should look
Speaker 2: at that up. If I'm up in ten ks, how
Speaker 2: many events you pay? Just do a simple map. You
Speaker 2: made four men cash and you're basically even there two No,
Speaker 2: no you you played?
Speaker 1: I played one. I played one w PT for sure.
Speaker 1: I can't remember I played the second year? Did I? Ye?
Speaker 1: I had to because it went it went, yeah, because
Speaker 1: I I cashed the first year. It was small mine
Speaker 1: in ten case, Yeah, I'm winning, crushing life, crush, but
Speaker 1: you know, absolutely crush.
Speaker 2: You have to defend you one hundred and sixty third
Speaker 2: place in this event because this is the World Championship.
Speaker 1: Look up when I cashed another one?
Speaker 2: Why you have to defend you? That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You got to defend the reason why I say that. Listen,
Speaker 1: I know people are going to get mad the way
Speaker 1: phrase it, but whatever, I don't care. I think the
Speaker 1: big shiny object for the WPT World Championship schedule is
Speaker 1: the WPT Prime Championship, Like that, to me is the
Speaker 1: big shiny object. That's the one where it's eleven d
Speaker 1: by in right, so there's eleven hundred, right, and it
Speaker 1: gets ten thousand people, Like it's freaking ridiculous. That's the
Speaker 1: one where like you can send press releases out afterwards
Speaker 1: because it's like this is the record setter for this
Speaker 1: and that like that's the one to me, you know,
Speaker 1: So like I just feel like that because they took
Speaker 1: away from the WPT World Championship. Yes I know it
Speaker 1: got almost twenty four hundred entries, Yes I get it,
Speaker 1: but ultimately you scaled it back quite a bit. Like
Speaker 1: I just, to me, the WPT Prime Championship is whereas at.
Speaker 1: So that's why I say that, like I would kind
Speaker 1: of build the schedule around that type of player versus
Speaker 1: trying to build the schedule around the ten KWPT World Championship.
Speaker 1: Would I would still have that, of course, and it
Speaker 1: would be the headliner, you know, or one of the
Speaker 1: focal points, right the cap on it all, But I
Speaker 1: would focus on like again the five hundred dollars buy
Speaker 1: into the five k buy in price point. I would
Speaker 1: focus on a lot of mixed games, and I would
Speaker 1: try and cram basically every circuit mid May major grinder
Speaker 1: into Las Vegas in December.
Speaker 2: That's my goal.
Speaker 1: Would look at WSP and I would say, listen, you
Speaker 1: guys can have the high rollers. That's totally fine. We
Speaker 1: can all co exist here. And if I was WSP,
Speaker 1: which I think WSP did a good job of, I
Speaker 1: would say you can have all the you know, mid
Speaker 1: stakes type of players, which I think WSP for the
Speaker 1: most probably I know they have that circuit championship, yes,
Speaker 1: but for the most part, everything else is big, big
Speaker 1: buy and stuff. Right, So it's like we're over here,
Speaker 1: you guys can be over there and we can all
Speaker 1: co exist and poker in general can just be very
Speaker 1: good in the month of December in both places right now. Yes,
Speaker 1: there is gonna be some some people like I mean
Speaker 1: Jerry Ausma's just because you mentioned him, he's like someone
Speaker 1: who you know, I know what he said. He might
Speaker 1: not go back there, but maybe maybe he gets pulled
Speaker 1: back there. Yeah, right, and he's gonna be one of
Speaker 1: those guys who's like probably in the middle. Like, there
Speaker 1: are some of those guys that are like I could
Speaker 1: go here because I can obviously play big, or I
Speaker 1: can go here and I can you know, play maybe
Speaker 1: with some weaker competition, bigger fields and whatever, get my
Speaker 1: you know, my bang for the buck that way. So
Speaker 1: I think it's going to be interesting turn the thirty
Speaker 1: fourth place, by the way, in the WPT World Championship,
Speaker 1: my first ever PGT cash. You have two, No, I
Speaker 1: do have two.
Speaker 2: No I should I should be in the PGT Hall
Speaker 2: of Fame. Not yet. So yeah, So I just I
Speaker 2: think it's interesting that.
Speaker 1: We've heard a lot from w SP and we haven't
Speaker 1: heard much from WPT, And I mean that's probably orchestrated
Speaker 1: in that WPT is probably waiting see what they announced,
Speaker 1: see what they come with, blah blah blah, and then
Speaker 1: we're going to announce our stuff. There might also be
Speaker 1: some stuff that you mentioned where like they need to
Speaker 1: see how the sweepstakes landscape shakes out a little bit
Speaker 1: more right, and then they're gonna figure things out. But
Speaker 1: but yeah, I would think if you're going to do
Speaker 1: any sort of big guarantee, you you have to just
Speaker 1: be you have to be qualifying people.
Speaker 2: It has to be out there. So you know, I'm
Speaker 2: not gonna go to the Hamas.
Speaker 1: I'm in Vegas is my backyard, so I'm going to
Speaker 1: be at the win, right, So I hope they bring
Speaker 1: a lot, you know, I'm very much looking forward to it.
Speaker 1: I haven't think you could do something like and I've
Speaker 1: said this before and I've worked with the WPT and
Speaker 1: the kind of looked at me like I was crazy
Speaker 1: when I was in the office and I brought this
Speaker 1: idea up. But what if you did the first ever
Speaker 1: WPT Main Tour PLO title thirty three hundred or like
Speaker 1: a five K buy in in make it big. I
Speaker 1: think you go like thirty five to five K, and
Speaker 1: I think you put like a five million guarantee on it,
Speaker 1: and that's your freaking shiny object. I would say that,
Speaker 1: like for the WPT World Championship, you should basically have
Speaker 1: like four major titles. I think that they considered the Prime,
Speaker 1: the WPT Prime as a major in their mind. Okay,
Speaker 1: so I think that's one of the four, the WPT
Speaker 1: Prime Championship. Okay, you obviously have the WPT World Championship.
Speaker 1: I think you add this a PLO championship, first ever
Speaker 1: one banging guarantee, let's go. I think you could also
Speaker 1: do like just like a like another like like a
Speaker 1: thirty five hundred five million guarantee or something similar to
Speaker 1: remember when Seminole did they had like they had in
Speaker 1: the same series, the WPT. They had the Ryan Reese
Speaker 1: I think won the ten k. Yeah, that's right, they
Speaker 1: had like the thirty three, and then they had the
Speaker 1: ten k and they were both main tour titles.
Speaker 2: Like why couldn't you do that? Yeah, you could do that.
Speaker 1: You know, so you could have the the eleven hundred
Speaker 1: dollars prime, you could have a thirty three hundred dollar
Speaker 1: PLO championship first ever, and then you can have a
Speaker 1: thirty three hundred dollars WPT Main Tour Championship like both
Speaker 1: of those thirty three hundred five million dollar guarantee, I mean,
Speaker 1: go nuts, and then you have the ten.
Speaker 2: K as the kapper. Yeah, I'm in.
Speaker 1: I'm in solve your problem. Where do I send the invoice?
Speaker 1: What Savage's email.
Speaker 2: Savage Parker gilt com. Probably, I mean that that's probably
Speaker 2: probably is a good guess or poker TDA or Savage
Speaker 2: at TDA dot com was only on whatever, who cares.
Speaker 1: We'll just we'll just send him our invoice. But I
Speaker 1: think that that would be legit. Know, I think that.
Speaker 1: I think that PLO is here. It deserves a freaking
Speaker 1: WPT Main Tour title. Let's go if you want to
Speaker 1: go buck wild, you just had the WPT Prime PLO
Speaker 1: Championship as well.
Speaker 2: That that would make sick.
Speaker 1: Actually yeah, but why can't they have one of each both?
Speaker 1: That's what I mean. Then you get a five like
Speaker 1: five like headlining trophy events like those are your five? Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like that's it, the best five. That's the win, the
Speaker 1: win at the win for the w PT. How the
Speaker 1: win wins, that's how the win wins. Well, the win
Speaker 1: is winning. I don't think the win is losing. Okay,
Speaker 1: So yeah, all right, cool, that's I think that's all
Speaker 1: we got. We went for almost two hours. Holy hell,
Speaker 1: Rich Ryan's gonna kill us.
Speaker 2: Get ready for my big drive to go win some
Speaker 2: football trophies. Football. Good.
Speaker 1: Look, I saw you want a piece of wood. That
Speaker 1: was great.
Speaker 2: That's actually pretty cool, Chevy. It looked like a piece
Speaker 2: of wood. It's stumptown throw down in paul and in
Speaker 2: the forest, Like I thought it was a cool trophy.
Speaker 2: All right, whatever, I'll take any trophy it is. I
Speaker 2: wasn't you know. He's the funny thing that like, are
Speaker 2: you going to enter this contest? It was the longest
Speaker 2: kid contest. My team was like, you need to enter
Speaker 2: your win. I'm not entering unless it's a trophy. And
Speaker 2: then they showed me the trophy and I was like,
Speaker 2: I'm in and I what did I do with my wedding?
Speaker 2: It's on my finger, it's on it on the ground's respectful.
Speaker 1: All right, we're gonna get out of here for Tim Duckworth.
Speaker 1: My name is Donny Peters and we'll talk to you
Speaker 1: guys next time.
Speaker 2: So yeah,