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<v Speaker 1>Calorogu Shark Media. Hello and welcome through Palace Intry again

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<v Speaker 1>your host Mark Francis. Prince Harry is reportedly petrified both

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<v Speaker 1>of losing Meghan, Duchess of sussexon of the Duchess herself,

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<v Speaker 1>according to royal experts. Speaking on this week's episode of

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<v Speaker 1>The Sun's Royal Exclusive, Royal editor Matt Wilkinson was joined

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<v Speaker 1>by news dot com dot AU's a Royal reporter Bronte

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<v Speaker 1>Coy and Royal biographer Hugo Vickers, who offered candid assessments

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<v Speaker 1>of the Duke and Duchess of Sussex's relationship. Vickers started

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<v Speaker 1>with Meghan's cooking show, saying, there are other people who

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<v Speaker 1>are much better at telling you these things. There are

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<v Speaker 1>other people who are better at doing cookery programs. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean they're sort of latching onto things well she is

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<v Speaker 1>in particular. It's just hard to see where it's going.

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<v Speaker 1>Turning to Prince Harry, Vickers remarked, I hate to say it,

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<v Speaker 1>but my feeling at the end of the day is

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<v Speaker 1>that Prince Harry is petrified of her and petrified of

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<v Speaker 1>losing her. He's been complicit in a lot of things

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<v Speaker 1>that have gone on, although I think he's been made

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<v Speaker 1>to do many things. Bronti. Coy agreed with the sentiment, stating,

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<v Speaker 1>of course we don't know what's going on in their relationship.

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<v Speaker 1>But with that said, even just speculating on that, you'd

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<v Speaker 1>say he is someone who is in such a unique position.

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<v Speaker 1>There are only a small handful of royals and people

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<v Speaker 1>that have the profile that he has, and you have

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<v Speaker 1>to imagine that if that relationship did fall apart for

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<v Speaker 1>whatever reason down the line, really where does that leave him.

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<v Speaker 1>You can imagine that he would be scared of that.

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<v Speaker 1>To this, Vickers replied, well, he has to come home

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<v Speaker 1>eventually if he can. The King's left the door wide

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<v Speaker 1>open for him. But then there's this issue that Prince

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<v Speaker 1>Harry seems to think the royal family should be apologizing

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<v Speaker 1>to him, whereas it should be the other way around.

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<v Speaker 1>The King's got a lot of other things on his mind,

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<v Speaker 1>but he's never responded to anything. He's left open. We

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<v Speaker 1>don't know whether anything's going on behind the scenes. He's

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<v Speaker 1>got much more hope of reconciliation with the King than

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<v Speaker 1>with his brother. A former friend of Megan's, British socialite

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<v Speaker 1>Lizzie Cundy, who has previously claimed she was dropped by

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<v Speaker 1>Meghan shortly after the then actress began dating Prince Harry,

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<v Speaker 1>offering her withering assessment During an appearance at the Diva

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<v Speaker 1>Awards in London, she told Mail Online She's desperate to

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<v Speaker 1>be liked, desperate to be powerful, and desperate to trump

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<v Speaker 1>the Royals with anything she does. Sadly, for her, you

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<v Speaker 1>can't buy likability and she's lacking in that by the

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<v Speaker 1>bucket load. Cundy also criticized Harry, saying he looks deeply unhappy.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he is missing his family and obviously worried

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<v Speaker 1>about his father's health. A former fan of the Duchess

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<v Speaker 1>has admitted that one highly curated moment with in love

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<v Speaker 1>Meghan was enough to turn her admiration into irritation. Television

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<v Speaker 1>presenter Makita Oliver, speaking on her podcast Miss Me with

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<v Speaker 1>the co host Lily Allen, confessed that Meghan's seemingly effortless

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<v Speaker 1>balloon arch tutorial tipped her over the edge. I loved

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<v Speaker 1>Meghan Markham, but I suddenly stopped liking her for a minute.

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<v Speaker 1>The offending scene, which aired during an episode in which

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<v Speaker 1>Meghan and actress Mindy Kayling plan a children's garden party

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<v Speaker 1>struck Oliver as tone deaf. It was this casual approach

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<v Speaker 1>to something quite tricky and complicated, she explained. I felt like,

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<v Speaker 1>if I don't know how to make a balloon arch

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<v Speaker 1>as well as her, I'd probably feel a bit of

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<v Speaker 1>a crap mum for that day. Lily Allen chimed in

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<v Speaker 1>with her own party strategy, less glossy but evidently effective.

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<v Speaker 1>I just buy a few balloons and let them bother

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<v Speaker 1>around the room, she said. The kids love it. In

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<v Speaker 1>a rather surprising revelation, it has emerged that just prior

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<v Speaker 1>to meeting Meghan Markle in the summer of twenty sixteen,

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<v Speaker 1>Harry was nearly sat up with none other than Courtney Kardashian.

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<v Speaker 1>Comedian Katherine Ryan, and speaking to Hello, recounted that she

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<v Speaker 1>once attempted to play matchmaker at a party in London

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<v Speaker 1>attended by Prince Harry's cousin, Princess Beatrice. I walked in

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<v Speaker 1>and saw Courtney Kardashian with Princess Beatrice, Ryan said, I

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<v Speaker 1>went straight over to her because I knew who she was.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so invested in the Kardashians and their reality show

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<v Speaker 1>at the time, Courtney was in and on again off

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<v Speaker 1>again relationship with Scott Disick, the father of her three

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<v Speaker 1>eldest children, Mason, Penelope and ragn Meanwhile, Prince Harry's previous

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<v Speaker 1>relationships with Chelsea Davy and Cresida Bonus had concluded by

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<v Speaker 1>twenty fourteen. Ryan recalled telling Courtney, you need to leave Scott,

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<v Speaker 1>to which Kardashian responded, how can I. He's in my

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<v Speaker 1>house right now. Ryan continued, I told her, don't go

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<v Speaker 1>back to the house. You need to leave him. During

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<v Speaker 1>their conversation, Courtney asked who she might date instead. According

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<v Speaker 1>to Ryan, she did not hesitate, suggesting Prince Harry. Maybe.

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<v Speaker 1>Reflecting on the idea, Ryan remarked, she was right there

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<v Speaker 1>in the UK, it seemed obvious. It remains unclear whether

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<v Speaker 1>Prince Harry and Courtney Kardashian ever met or even spoke

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<v Speaker 1>a Kardashian also seems like an odd choice for someone

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<v Speaker 1>whose life mission seems to be taking on the paparazzi. Indeed,

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<v Speaker 1>prior to meeting Meghan, Prince Harry had spoken openly about

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<v Speaker 1>the difficulty of finding someone willing to endure the intense

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<v Speaker 1>scrutiny that comes with life in the Royal Spotlight. As

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<v Speaker 1>quoted by Hello, he said, I'm not so much searching

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<v Speaker 1>for someone to fulfill the role, but finding someone who

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<v Speaker 1>would be willing to take it on, which we all

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<v Speaker 1>know he has more palace just a moment. A sources

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<v Speaker 1>claimed that Harry and Meghan are eager to trigger a

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<v Speaker 1>truce with William and Kat as Harry seems to rebuild

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<v Speaker 1>times with his family. Speaking to The New York Times,

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<v Speaker 1>the insider said, Meghan's desperate to come across as the

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<v Speaker 1>bigger person and end this feud between them. Appearing like

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<v Speaker 1>some sort of royal savior could only do her image good.

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<v Speaker 1>The source added their hope is that Princess Kate's return

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<v Speaker 1>to work might take some of the heat off them

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<v Speaker 1>and possibly trigger a truce with her and William and

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<v Speaker 1>with the King too. It has further been alleged that

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<v Speaker 1>when Catherine faced criticism over an edited photograph posted for

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<v Speaker 1>Mother's Day in twenty twenty four, Harry encouraged Meghan to

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<v Speaker 1>extend an olive branch. According to an insider speaking to

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<v Speaker 1>Okay magazine, Harry thinks it might be the perfect time

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<v Speaker 1>for Megan to reach out to Kate because she knows

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<v Speaker 1>what it's like to come under fire from the public

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<v Speaker 1>and the press. Harry wants his family to return to

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<v Speaker 1>the UK, and he knows that the only way that

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<v Speaker 1>will happen is if Meghan can repair her fractured relationship

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<v Speaker 1>with Kate. It is understood that Harry has made multiple

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<v Speaker 1>attempts to re establish contact with his family, with claims

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<v Speaker 1>that he's been phoning and messaging both the King and

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<v Speaker 1>the Prince of Wales on multiple occasions without receiving a response.

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<v Speaker 1>Royal expert Royer Nicker in The Sunday Times wrote, a

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<v Speaker 1>friend of Harry's once told me that while he was

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<v Speaker 1>still a working royal, he harbored a Prince Andrew complex

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<v Speaker 1>of slipping down the pecking order and becoming irrelevant. Harry

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<v Speaker 1>has always been in such a rush to make an

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<v Speaker 1>impact because he thinks he has a limited shelf life

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<v Speaker 1>before the public want to hear more from Prince George

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<v Speaker 1>and his siblings, and he worries that after that he'll

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<v Speaker 1>turn into this uncle. Roya added, Let's be clear, Harry

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<v Speaker 1>is certainly no Andrew, though they share a stubbornness that

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<v Speaker 1>raises hackles in the royal fold. If Charles is changing

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<v Speaker 1>course with Andrew. He could also try giving it to

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<v Speaker 1>go with Harry, who has let it be known that

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<v Speaker 1>calls to par go unanswered, and he now learns about

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<v Speaker 1>his father's health from the newspapers. And there you have it.

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