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Speaker 3: Here is your host, George Hobbes.
Speaker 4: Welcome back truth seekers from around the world. It's time
for another edition of the Fact Hunter podcast. I'm your
host is always George Hobbs. I hope everybody is doing
well and having a great weekend. We're actually recording on
this Friday, February fourteenth, Valentine's Day, twenty twenty five, a
very very nice day, no rain, no snow like we've
had for the last few days. We have a very
special guest today. This is a special episode. His name
is John and we're very happy to have him. A
lot of conversation and CFR the Bankers, a lot of
important topics that we have talked about over the years
that continue to.
Speaker 5: Need to be refreshed.
Speaker 4: And anytime I have a conversation, whether it be nine
to eleven or Waco or any of these big topics
that we talk about, anytime I talk with someone different,
I always learned something new. That's why it's important why
we always go back and look at these things. And
we're going to bring on our guests now. His name
is John. How are you doing, John?
Speaker 1: I'm doing great. How about you?
Speaker 4: I'm doing really good Man, And I know we had
a couple of misses back and forth, so I'm glad
we're finally able to connect and have this conversation. And
with that being said, why don't you go ahead and
introduce yourself to the audience.
Speaker 1: Are you hearing that like little background or is that
just is that just me? I hear a little like
breaking up when you're talking.
Speaker 5: Uh no, it sounds clear on this side.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, perfect, all right. Yeah, So I actually heard
a sort of listening to you. I think I caught
you right around your first episode. I was I was
trying to find you Spotify to download podcasts because I
was working in Aware a lot of heavy metal, like
a metal roof that blocks the cell reception, so I
was trying to find something download and I think I
found around maybe episode ten or so. And I've listened
to you for a long time, and I heard the
reason I ended this start. I had contacted you. I
heard that cast for kids episode. And I'm from I'm
from Maryland, from Aberdeen, Marylands, brobably about forty five minutes
outside of Baltimore. Was a little suburb of Baltimore. But
I when I was about fifteen, I got in a fight,
you know, an altercation with the guy I think he
was about nineteen or twenty, beat him up pretty bad.
I was really drunk. I basically came to and in
a cop car, you know, heard what happened. Thought, okay,
you know, I don't know. I thought would get in
trouble or whatever. A long story short. I went to
court at a public defender. Me and my parents weren't
really getting along at time, don't have any money, and
initially they were asking me to plead guilt, to plead
out to a life sentence, and Maryland doesn't have a
death penalty, so I mean that would be like pleading
to the very worst worst thing possible. So I have
no idea. I didn't research the judges. I don't know
if there was any corruption or what ever. But basically
I think I ended up getting I got juvenile life
plus twenty five. So that would mean I would have
had my first roll when I was thirty three, I
think thirty two or thirty three, and I committed a
crime when I was fifteen, So in my court case,
like I was, I was so drunk. I don't remember
doing it. I don't even know why I got in
a fight that wasn't my you know, level of sobriety
was never brought up. I was described as being premeditated
when I'd never met the guy before. I think as
much as I its in my eyes. He maybe says
then to my girlfriend at the time, and I, you know,
took it the wrong way or whatever. And we got
in the fight, but basically I didn't give him any
permanent damage and give any brain damage, just a bad
fight drunk. I beat the guy up, and I got,
you know, essentially charged with premeditated tempted murder, so, you know,
And then I went to Maryland at that time had
just built a new wing of Jessup. It was like it.
She called a juvenile lifers the sixty people. And I
think of the sixty people, I think all the fifty
nine other people had murdered, so that I was the
only person that I hadn't murdered anybody in the entire group.
So I you know, when I got there, I kind
of kind of realized. I mean, first I was just shocked,
and I kind of realized that, uh wow, you know,
I don't really belong like I looked. You know, we're
talking talking to him to do about the times. I'm
realizing that my you know, I had committed by far
the least serious interaction. And at this point I didn't
have a criminal record. I had no criminal record. I
was played base or basketball and football. I was, you know,
like a piece of a student, right. I didn't even
really I never you know, maybe that's movie we that
I not was not a person who I wasn't really
into the criminal world. I didn't. I didn't know anything
about it. I kind of was there and shell shocked,
didn't know what to do. And then when I turned
eighteen and got to be adult outside, I started meeting
people who were reading black law and trying under you know,
basically trying to get themselves out of it. In Baltimore
in the seventies and eighties, there was a lot of
guys who let's say, a woman would get murdered or raped,
and you would have the woman who described the perpetrator
as a six five, dark skinned black guy, and they
would arrest a five to seven Mexican Hispanic guy and
put him in prison just because they wanted to have
an arrest, you know, have the arrest. So Baltimore is
a notorious as a place of where you know, they
don't want to make sure murders get solved and they
don't know they'll find somebody who did it. And so,
you know, I was in prison with a lot of
those guys who were you know, starting to get DNA
of it and getting themselves out and you know, proving
that they were they were nowhere even near the scene
of the crime. So I ended up getting another lawyer,
and I, yeah, I got after idend up doing I
did seven and a half years, and after seven and
a half years, I got out on the the I
actually only had a criminal record d the you know lawyer,
I got it reduced to like a juvenile like a
juvenile second degree assaults. But it ended up not I
don't even have a criminal electorate. And the lawyer told
me that if I had taken him initially, I would
have gotten community service.
Speaker 4: So that after that, sorry, no, that's amazing to me.
A couple of things. Number one that at the age
of fifteen that they wanted to plead. They wanted you
to plead to life in prison, Yes, sir, yes, sir, Yeah,
and that this was that's crazy to me, someone who
never had a criminal background before. And the person that
you had the altercation with, he didn't die, he didn't
suffer any long term damage. But they wanted you to
plead to life that that is insane. The other thing
that I'd like you to describe to the audience, what
was it like going from a juvie to an adult prison?
Did it happen Number one, like on your eighteenth birthday?
Number two? Did they did they take you kind of
through did they make you watch your presentation and kind
of what to expect in an adult prison? What was
that whole transfer like?
Speaker 1: Well, I so I when I was about seventeen, I
got a tactic. I got stabbed by a couple of
in mates. We had made a bet on a basketball game.
I'm trying to remember whose final that was. I didn't
like the Miami Heat and the Mavericks, I think and
I won. I think. I think they owed me a dollar.
The guy owed me a dollar, And I was asleep
and they stabbed me in my sleep and I woke Luckily,
I woke up and was able to get away, but
I was very badly injured. So because I wouldn't. I
wouldn't testify against them. I didn't. They wanted me to be.
They wanted me to, you know, basically get them a
charge inside. They wanted me to stitch on them. And obviously,
if you do that in prison, that's your life is
going to be very difficult. It's nothing that's going to
go well for you. So I didn't, and because of that,
they basically transferred me to an adult once I got
I was in the house was about three months and
when I got out, they transferred me to adults. So
I was I think seventeen and four months or something
like that. So I went a little early. I was,
I was nineteen yet, so I didn't go through the
normal let's say, if there was something like that, I
didn't experience it. I kind of got thrown in there.
I have an older brother that's about ten years older
than me that was actually in prison at the same
place as me, so I think, you know, he kind
of told me, told me what what not to do,
and and I, uh, I think by the time I
got to adult, I was about two hundred and thirty
and forty pounds. I put them a lot of ways
from working out, so I think, you know, I I
don't know if I threw luck or throw a little
bit of smart or whatever. I didn't have a terrible time,
but I saw a lot of other people. I mean,
I think a lot of people in my situation did
a lot fared a lot worse than me, you know.
And yeah, I mean I think it's I think it's
pretty crazy. I think a lot of the the CEOs,
the guards and stuff even felt bad for me. And
you know a lot of the other inmates. I kind
of just like sucked it up, and I guess kind
of like disassociated or just accepted my eight And you know,
luckily I had a lot of people around me who
were saying, like, hey man, this is uh. You know,
this doesn't make a lot of sense, Like you need
to you need to you know, hit the books and
try to figure try to figure a way out to
fix your your situation.
Speaker 4: That this might come off as a strange question, but
I think many people, including myself, who maybe have had
rough times as they enter adulthood into their late teens
and early twenties. And we know it's a difficult world.
You know, you're eighteen. You can't run a car. Insurance
is through the roof. You have no credit score, and
you make mistake and it mounts up. You know, maybe
you see a judge and you're already broken your levy
to five hundred dollars fine for something you can't pay
that you can't pay your car insurance, You get a
you know, and it builds up and you feel like
you're suffocating. However, those tough times in your teens and
early twenties, I've always said that those were the things
that find me and made me who I am today.
Speaker 5: Because I learned from those mistakes.
Speaker 4: And I think for a lot of us who maybe
are stubborn or don't maybe plan long term or really
understand how things work, we need to be humbled in
such ways. Now listen, I'm not trying to say that
seven and a half years for what you did.
Speaker 5: I mean that was rather extreme.
Speaker 4: But with that being said, do you feel that was
an important part of your being who you are today?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean yes, I do. I think I think
I'm wanted people, you know how I used to hear
about people kind of waking up to the truths in
terms of COVID and stuff. And I think I come
from a family that has I have some popes in
my family. I'm descended from a three folks, so I
have a family that was involved in secret society and stuff,
so I kind of peripherally knew about some of that stuff.
But I definitely think bad experience made me very skeptical of,
you know, of authority and made me see like how
little first, how little the truth matters, because I think
before that I kind of thought like, Okay, I'm telling
the truth in this whole situation. You know it's going
to work out in my favor, and it obviously didn't.
So I think, I think, you know, it showed me
how little, how little human life is value. And I
think a lot of people in the United States, I think,
kind of think we're this kind of you know, we're
more of a first world country. We're more we have
kind of privilege, you know a little bit, and I
think we don't. We're like a in a golden cage.
And I think going somewhere like that where you kind
of the gold part goes away and you see how
bad it is or how how little you matter, I
think it's important to people. I think, you know, I
think a lot of people probably like maybe yourself in
the military kind of like wakes you up to the
reality of the world. And I think this was Yeah,
it was a good It woke me up to the
reality of the world. You know, I saw the world
in a different way.
Speaker 4: Now upon your reflection of your time in the prison system,
and you know, you said you'd heard that the podcast
on the kids for Cash.
Speaker 5: Because I saw the same thing.
Speaker 4: You know, it may sound silly, but there are the
structure in the military and in the prison system were
very much similar, especially in when you're in basic training,
because it is you have a wake up time and
everything is regimented, right It just like you know chickens,
they're the same way. They have a regimented day every
single day. But did you understand it at any point
did you think that that you were actually a commodity?
Like you know I so, for instance, in the military,
I saw a lot of the contracts for feeding soldiers,
and then I saw what they actually fed us, and
you begin to understand that while someone here is making
an awful lot of money. So for instance, in Iraq,
after the first tour, they started setting up the chow
hals and you know, kbr kell, Agg Brown and Root
got a huge contract. They put out very menial food.
They hired Filipiano and people from say Nepaul. They would
pay them five hundred dollars a month. And you understand
the amount of money, right, And then you go back
and read things like Smedley Butler's Wars a racket to
truly understand that that soldiers are the same. We're a
commodity and a lot of people make money off of
us and war. And you see obviously in the prison system,
you have vote, you have security, right the people who
work at the prison, and then you were fed every
single day? What was that experience like and say the
prison food.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's another thing that I learned a lot.
I think I learned so I this is conjecture, but
based on my experience, I think they kind of test
out when they're going to do a new chemical or
something like that, they test out in prison because like
soy based things, we were fed a lot of soy
based things. And there was actually a period where a
lot of a lot of men were starting to develop
like breast tissue and actually like have like you know,
have no libido, and people we had people we actually
went on stripe, you know, to try to get get
the food changed. But I believe that at a high
level that prisons are kind of like a like a rat,
like a lab rat kind of situation where I think
they test certain things such as the food on prisoners
to see what the results are going to be, because
I know I've read I've read that aspertains in the
gulags and in the Civiet Union. I think in the
twenties or the thirties, like in between the wars, they
use that and realized that they gave prisoners enough aspertains,
they needed less guards. The prison has a more docile
and so I think I think that happens to maybe
not quite in the extreme of the case, but I
believe that happens in you know, in prisons. And I
know with like MK Ultra that the federal prisons they
were doing MK culture in the fifth forties and fifties.
Some of the early MK culture experiments were done in
the prison. So yeah, I mean, I think you're making
a ton of money off. You know, Maryland is not
a huge in terms of prison industries. I think California
is more of a where, you know, the prison industry
is more the West cat but you know, we're making
we make a sign posts and make work license plates
and you know, yeah, definitely, I mean you make I
think you make about seventy five cents an hour. So
you know, obviously, no matter how good or bad of
the work is, you're saying so many seventy five cents
an hour, you're making a lot of money off.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that again is in reflection when you realize that.
And the thing that really blew my mind when I
started doing research for the prison industrial complex, if you will,
was these contracts had stipulations if the population fell under
a certain percentage, that they were in jeopardy of losing
the contracts. And that you know, we talk about all
the evils and all these podcasts over years. I mean,
that's that's the top five most evil things. You know,
we need to keep people in cages in order to
keep a contract. That is just it doesn't get much
more evil.
Speaker 1: Than that, definitely, And it's crazy how many people, you know, obviously,
when I was in prison in marijuana was still llegal,
but it's crazy how many people are in prison for
you know, small drug offenses. You know, obviously mine was
a violent offense, but there are so many people that
are that are you know, doing really long times for
marijuana or for you know, basically just being a drug addict.
You know, like getting called a little bit of crack
back when in the eighties and nineties and that was
a was a big thing. And I know, I mean,
I think Baltimore is one of the worst cities in
terms of this. But Baltimore has a you know, has
a long history of basically finding a perpetrator. Like a
crime gets committed, if they can't find out who did it,
they will just throw a person in jail on and
I you know, I was in prison with a lot
of guys from that were let's say in their sixties
and seventies at the time, who've been there for forty
fifty years, and you know, they they obviously didn't do it.
The witness identifies somebody totally different. They couldn't find the perpetrator,
and they just threw them in there. And then now
the DNA was coming out, they were getting out. But
I mean, I mean, Baltimore, I think is one of
the worst city in the United States in terms of
just you know, signing a erbetrator you know, to fit
the crime.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that that is. You know, obviously I'm only an
hour from there, and I've spent a lot of time
down there. I have family that lived down there. And
anytime you have a big city, and to be honest
with you, most of the big cities in the United
States that they're all they all have problems that are
similar to Baltimore's. It's just on different scales, whether it's
Saint Louis, Los Angeles, New York, especially Chicago. But Baltimore
is a very failed city, which is a shame because
it's got, you know, the Harbor Area, Annapolis, you know,
just a lot of beautiful areas around it. But when
you just break down the numbers with the just astronomical
illiteracy rate and there's no failure that speaks to thirteen
years of being taught something and that person leaves that
system unable to read. That is the greatest failure in
the country. And then of course, you know with the
you know, it started in the eighties with the CIA
bringing drugs into the cities, the destruction of the nuclear family,
and here we are today. It's just it's mind blowing
when you look at Baltimore and you know, like Philadelphia
up there in Kensington. It's just destroyed these cities and families.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah. And something interesting. I don't know if
you've ever looked into this, but if you look at
the people the research of like, I think it's they
call it like Tartaria, but I think this is kind
of a placeholder name. But basically the people who think
that there was a there was a civilization here before.
If you look at Baltimore, a lot of the worst
areas of Spection eight areas. If you look at the architecture,
a lot of those are these old buildings that are
obviously got mud flooded. And I think part of my
theory is that the places that were like the you know,
power centers, or the places that had the really good
vibrations to church bells, the beautiful of churches, they try
to put the worst. They try to beat those areas
down the worst, because if you look at Baltimore, it
has some amazing you know, if you could look through
the graffiti and through the you know, drug addicts and
stuff like that, it has a beautiful city with beautiful architecture.
And I personally think that part of why it's beaten
down so much is to try to hide.
Speaker 4: That Yeah, that's a great point, and that is I'm
actually having a guest on next week that is kind
of a subject matter expert in that department. I look
forward to him breaking down you know a lot of
this architecture that certainly seems like if you go back
and say, wow, we didn't even invent the automobile until
the eighteen eighties, but we have these buildings that were
were told were built you know, x this date. But
they did it without any power tools, without this, without that,
And the architecture that we create today is nothing compared
to these buildings like the Capital Building, and you know,
all this infamous architecture that is around this country.
Speaker 5: So certainly a lot of timeline questions.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and another really interesting about about Baltimore because it's
an interesting city. I think Baltimore and Detroit have a
lot of similarities to where they were these very powerful cities,
you know, a long time ago, and they've really kind
of gotten smaller and worse over time. Baltimore is named
after the affails Mata, the goddess of Biblos, which is
the second biggest city of the Canaanites of the Phoenicians.
The patron goddess of Biblos who was named Ballatmore and
she was There's a city called Baltimore in Ireland that
was I think about two hundred thousand people lived there
under and during the Potato Family it was totally destroyed.
It's about a town of like maybe a thousand people
live there now it's like an abandoned city in Ireland.
And there was a statue of ballat Moore that was
taken from Ireland over to here in the seventeen hundreds.
And if you know where Drewid Hill Park is in
the right in the middle of Drewid Hill Park, there
was a statue that's about ten foot tall of Ballatmore
in this and she was the wife of ball and
she's a different name I think of isis, but a
giant statue there and then in the seventies they took
the statue and sent it back to Ireland. So there's
definitely something. I haven't figured all that out, but I
know have a couple of friends that are you know,
into that research, that are you know, going out taking
pictures and trying to and there's definitely something I think,
you know, where some of these cities that have a
lot of bad energy a lot of bad stuff going on.
There's almost like these dark dozs or demons have something
to do with these cities, like they're patron demons of
these cities.
Speaker 4: Well, it doesn't help that Baltimore is, you know, fifteen
minutes away from DC. And if you look at aerial
pictures from d C and all the numerology involved with
like the Washington Monument and a lot of the cities
that are like on the thirty third degree parallel, it's
really interesting. And yeah, yeah, again, Baltimore is one of
those cities that just by the way, I don't know
if you mentioned it there, but there's actually a town
called Baltimore in Ireland today, was founded like four hundred
year years ago.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, sir, Yeah, and the wild in one of
the Baltimore Island. It was a huge city. I think
it was the third biggest city in Ireland up until
the Potato family and it basically everyone died of the
Poto family and left and it's like a ghost town
in Ireland. It's very strange. It's a very weird, weird
looking city.
Speaker 5: That's interesting.
Speaker 4: What let's talk about your journey to the truth a
little bit. When did you start to understand that things
weren't exactly as they seem.
Speaker 1: You know, I think I have a little bit of
the unique. So my my mother's family, her family were
popes who actually they have three popes. I think it's
Nicholas the second, Nicholas the third, and Anselat the second.
They were poking like the twelve hundreds. So my grandfather
was always really interested and he served in World War
Two over in Japan, so he brought back a lot
of indjesting stuff from there, and he he he was
a big supporter of biggest fan of Mussolini. So at
a young age, I kind of like that, you know,
made me question because I was thinking like, oh, you know,
they're so evil. Why would why would my grandfather, said
a nice guy be be a big fan of Mussoleanian
And you know, he he would give me these different
books and talk to me. So I think I think
he kind of pushed me a lot in that direction
at a young age. There's actually a book about my family.
My mom's baby name is pure Leoni, and there's a
book called Popes from the Ghetto by Jocum Prince. If
you're ever inels looking and it is it alleges that
it puts a pretty pretty compellingly that the purely one
family were Ashkenazi Jews and they converted the Catholicism, tostrate
the Catholic Church and try to take it out from
the inside. And they're actually the popes, the three purely
only popes of the popes that made the Old Test
basically made the tour and the talent with part of Christianity.
And uh, you know, I remember my grandfather and he
gave me that book and I read it when I
was younger, so, you know, just things like that. I
think at an early age, you know, by when I
was eleven or twelve, I was already questioning things, you know,
and and uh once you know what, as I say,
the symbols are the downfall manly fee Hall. You know,
I think I learned. I learned those symbols are pretty
young age. So I was always questioning. I had a
couple of really good history teachers in high school and
middle school. Who you know, I had a history teacher
who was like talking about the younger Dryas and like
Atlantis and pyramids and stuff like that. So I had
a call of people to push me in the truth
at a really early age. But I pretty much always questioned.
You know, I've been a question for a long time.
Speaker 4: That's good because you know, I reflected recently a lot
of my history teachers. I think we're in the lad
of the latter part of their career in the curriculum,
and we're closer to retirement, and I think, uh, for
them that were they were nice, but but they were
very by the book. And now in reflection, when when
you realize that everything that is in the history books
is at best, you know, a little bit of truth
mixed with with the their story, it's kind of depressing.
Like things like you know, Dresden and the USS Liberty
I didn't even become familiar with until later on in life,
and history was the one subject I actually paid attention to.
Speaker 5: So it kind of you know, when when you.
Speaker 4: Actually start to learn, I guess you can call it,
what's the word retrohistory, you know, whatever it is you
want to call it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess, yeah, true, true, yeah.
Speaker 4: Exactly, and you understand just the little nuggets that you're taught.
Again Dresden, which anywhere between which yesterday was the eightieth anniversary,
right anywhere between one hundred and fifty to two hundred
and twenty five thousand people in three days, in three days,
and yeah, and you just don't hear that in your
in your history books.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's what you did. I remember you did an
episode of about Dresden, and I think, I think is
really wild that now I think it was twenty fifteen.
They're trying to read you the numbers to say it's
twenty five thousand. I think yep. Basically, you wait till
the people die that are witnesses of it, and then
you know, you then you you know, then you can
rewrite it once there's no you know, because I was
lucky I had I had close relationships with both my
my grandparents and so my great grandparents. But I was
able to talk to people at a young age who
were saying things contrary to what the mainstream, you know,
story of things are. So you know, I I think,
you know, the three generations is all it takes to
really like rewrite something. You just wait till the people
die and then you start, you know, you start rewriting it.
Because if you read a lot of old books, I mean,
our history is totally different. I don't know what to
believe I'm kind of one of those people. I'm not
gonna I'm not dogmatic. I just am curious about what
the truth is. But I think, you know, there's I mean,
there's a lot of you know, there's a lot of
evidence that that basically once you go back back about
maybe four or five in their years, we really don't
know what happens, you know, we don't really it's hard
to really know what was going on, you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like, for instance, I don't believe the Christopher Columbus
story for one second.
Speaker 1: No, no, not at all, not at all, not a
bit not. There's a channel on YouTube name and I'm
not satiety. He's still on YouTube. I think his name
is Karima. Oh. I'll send you, I'll send you the
link to it. But he did a whole breakdown and
it seemed to be Christopher Columbus was when the Sephardic
jewry and kicked out of out of Spain, that he
was basically coming over here. But but it seems like
he had Phoenician maps to know where things were, because
that island he landed on. If you look at some
of the really old maps, I think it's that the
maps from the Turkish guy, I'm blanking over the name.
But there's a really old map that shows Antarctica without
snow on it, and they're in that map that shows
in in the island versiph Columbus landed on a Phoenician
city there, So I believe they were coming over here
kind of just trying to see, you know, they were
read this stuff, they knew it was here, and they
were just trying to see what was going on over here.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree, and I think the name has been changed.
I think the Christopher Columbus is just a tip of
the cap to the CC and the thirty three. Yes,
and of course that story was all about just also
implementing that, you know, you know, everybody else at the time.
It's funny because people always say, you know, people never
used to think the Earth was flat, right, that this
whole flat Earth movement was in the last ten years.
But the actual story was people were afraid to sail,
so Christopher. Part of Christopher Columbus's whole mission was to
prove that we lived on a ball. So it's just
another contradictory story.
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely. And I think the whole, the whole flatter
than ball think, you know, I don't. I don't know.
I'm not I'm not hundreds I'm sure which which is what?
I just know that whatever the model we use is wrong.
Speaker 5: I know that, oh for sure.
Speaker 1: Model I'm not I'm not sure. You know what if
it's necessarily flat or necessarily reground, or maybe it's uh,
there's an image that it's like the it shows like
the star of David, the star of Rembam as the earth. Yeah,
and I think or like a tree of life, and
it could be maybe something like that. But I just
know that the current. You know, I think when you
whenever you hear the word ball, I think that's that's ball.
You know, that's a lie that's immediately not true.
Speaker 4: Yeah, just like the what do they spring us with
barium and aluminum and you put the symbols together, you get.
Speaker 1: Ball, yes, sir, yeah, yeah. And another interesting thing I
learned that that an older guy when when I was
a prison an older guys taught me, when you talk
about cells, it's they're they're using you as power. They're
they're basically draining your The way cell is constructive. Let
me say that's right. The way cells are constructed with
the metal, it's almost like they're taking the electricity inside
of you and harnessing it in some way. Now, I
don't know if that's a hundreds true or not, but
I heard heard that from a couple of people. You know.
I think it's like they're almost like draining your positive
energy to make you or negative.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think there's something to that. You know, that's
the reason if you turn on any newscast in the
United States at eleven o'clock at night, ninety percent of
that thirty minute program is negative news. You know, you'll
get ninety seconds of sports and your local sports hero
saved the day with a late three pointer, But the
rest of it is fear mongering. It goes back to
why there was a TV in every room back in
the eighties. When the Challenger blew up, everybody watched the
towers fall right They didn't fall right away, they waited
an hour or however long it was, so everybody could
get in front of the TV and witness that horror.
And I don't know whether it's actually harvesting energy or
just keeping us, you know, just mentally beat down. So
anytime that there is a problem, we don't look to God.
Speaker 5: We look to the government.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean definitely. And I remember I was
I think about maybe seven when when the trade hours
came down, and I remember I was on a s
Fiel trip in Baltimore. I remember, you know, people thought
we were getting invaded, like like people thought, you know,
the United States is being invaded, and you know, people
were freaking out and people were I remember like cars,
just car accidents happening, like people were just hitting each other.
They were so afraid of whatever was happening. The cars
were hitting each other. Yeah, that's pretty pretty.
Speaker 4: It is something that, you know, what was really a
turning point because before them, anytime there was a major incident,
it was just years and years between these major incidents.
And if you look back over the last twenty five years,
how many psyops have happened.
Speaker 5: It's it's it's.
Speaker 4: Really mind blowing how fast that they're accelerating the timeline.
Speaker 1: It seems like, Yeah, I think I think nine to
eleven was really a, you know, a turning point. I
think when when Bill Cooper said on his radio thing
that this today is a day freedom dies, you know,
I think there's definitely something about that. I think Trump
would forty five and forty seven, I think he's kind
of the end of the cycle, like if nine to
eleven was the beginning of it, he's, you know, the
one who's gonna do to bring an end to everything.
I you know, I think, whether it's good or bad,
I think I think our system is probably going to
go down during his presidency.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean he was president forty five and forty seven.
That equals nine to eleven. Right, yeah, yep, Yes, there's
a clip somewhere. I've got to find where, man. I
think it was within the last year he said he
actually said that he's going to be the last president
in a matter of words. I don't know if you remember.
Speaker 1: That or not. Yeah, I do. And have you ever
read so I actually went when it was going around.
I think it was right when he first got elected.
Do you remember The Adventures of the Amazing Adventures of
Baron Trump.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that was my very first or my second podcast
I ever did. Like that. I had that guy on.
Speaker 1: That actually might have been how I found your podcast.
I might by looking that.
Speaker 5: Up Yer Lockwood.
Speaker 1: Right, Sorry, what are you saying?
Speaker 5: The author was inger soul Lockwood.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's correct. Yeah. They were very popular kids books
back in the eighteen eighties eighteen nineties. Yeah, I actually
have a question for you, because you live not that far.
Did you notice, like so, the drones were a big
thing for a couple while and then they haven't been
in last night I noticed I saw I'd drive like
delivery work over night sometimes and I saw about twenty
drones above, you know, while I was driving last night. Really,
have you been seeing a lot of them? Do you
see a lot of them?
Speaker 5: Not often?
Speaker 4: But it is interesting because I interviewed a gentleman last
week who lives in New Jersey in that area where
it was happening, and one of the nights he sat
there and watched them and he said they were much
bigger than you would expect. But the one interesting thing is,
and this is more proved to how fast they're moving
the cycle. When was the last time anybody talked about
the drones?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's great, And I think, what's wild? Are you
always hear on the news in New Jersey? And I
live in Maryland. I live about forty five minutes worth
of Baltimore, And I mean we see hundreds of drugs.
There's drones, ever, and they never talked about there's there's drones.
I've seen the drone, you know, fifteen feet above you know,
above a car where you can almost make out, you know,
the mechanical aspects of it.
Speaker 5: That's insane.
Speaker 4: Now you live by Aberdeen Proving Grounds, but that's where
I grew up.
Speaker 1: Now, right right now, I live in If you nowhere Jared'sville, Melon,
is that it's kind of like near the PA and
his line.
Speaker 5: Oh okay, yeah I do.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you're not as far out as like Fort Made,
but you're more to the east.
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, yeah, that's correct, Okay, correct, gotcha. And I
know it's interesting like in my mom lives in Baltimore City.
She lives like right near the northern border of Baltimore City,
and you very rarely see drones in Baltimore City. But
where I live, as more country place, I see drones
all the time. I mean when it was really big,
I was seeing five and six a night.
Speaker 4: And that's another big story everybody has forgotten. My daughter
lives in Baltimore City, and she watched when that boat
hit the bridge.
Speaker 5: She heard it, Oh my god.
Speaker 4: She heard all the you know, the first responders, the
sirens and and once again that's just that that's a
hundred syops ago.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's wild, and it's as far as a
person who commutsa I drive, I do delivery driving. That
bridge has totally crippled. It's it's very hard to go
into the southern parts of Baltimore. It has totally changed
the driving patterns. And if you were to like have
an attack on Baltimore or have an attack on the Annapolis,
that would be a major that would totally change the
ability to respond to.
Speaker 4: That absolutely one percent. Now, you had mentioned in one
of your emails. Obviously we already talked about the connection
the kids to cash and your experience there. But was
is there a particular book or or something that you
have researched before that that kind of connects the dots
between uh, you know, the Hidden Hand, Illuminati, Freemasonry, to
the criminal elements and maybe in between like their connections
maybe to gangs, et cetera.
Speaker 1: So I'm not sure if it's a particular book, but
I I when when I actually when I was in prison,
I was always a person luckily, and I never really
got involved in gangs.
Speaker 5: I was.
Speaker 1: I was able to navigate my way around that, but
I remember starting to look at the symbology. And you know,
in prison, there's a ton of people who I was
there almost like conspiracy scholars. There are a lot of
the live resistance actually pretty good. It's one of the
few good things. And you have a lot of you know,
guys that have a life sentences that are never going
to get out, that are you know, just spending the
time researching, spending the time you know, I mean reading
you know, tragedy and hope or reading you know whatever,
and symbolically if you start thinking about different gangs. So
one of the things that that that I first start
the Crypts and the Bloods. Okay, if you look at
how that started and actually is there's a there's a
standard research interview paper on gang warfare that I could
not find. I was trying to find for this interview
and I could not. I looked on the wayback machine
and I could not find it. But they they were
in the fifties researching how gang warfare and violent criminal
gangs He stabilized neighborhoods, and they were saying they were
going to run experiments of it, and the Crisson the
Bloods were basically found it as like neighborhood watches in
LA to protect, like you know, protect black residents from
like racist mobs. And there was I think like like
not just necessarily lynch mobs, but there was a there
was black neighborhoods were geting encroached on my weight and
there was some some some issues, and so the christ
and the Bloods were founded as like neighbor watch organizations.
And one day they were they had an issue with
each other. They want to fight, and a guy that
no one had ever seen seen showed up and shot
I think three or four people and killed them. And
they would always fight with fists, and that essentially that
one incident there was a guy no one has ever
really identified.
Speaker 6: That one incident started that whole gang war. And if
you look at the symbology of them, like the way
they fold their bandanas is an upside down pyramid. They
have a star, they have the star of Men's van.
Speaker 1: Bosa of the music, which is is a weird thing,
like I don't know why they use that. If you
look at all gangs, like you can almost trace the
symbology of every gang to a secret society. So like
in Chicago you have the gangster Disciples and the black gangsters.
Their symbology is just is just you know, Israelite. It's ah,
you knows the star of rem fam. You've got the
Latin Kings, You've got basically a three and a four.
The way their crown is set up, it's like the
symbol of Swiss Freemason. And you can look at the
Swiss Freemason logo. If you look at the Aryan Brotherhood,
their symbol is the it's the swastika onside a clover,
which is a really really odd, odd symbol. But but
they actually most of the sounding members of the Arian
Brothers were people that were involved in Operations SCENICX in Vietnam.
Like essentially they were guys who you know, were like
serial killers over there being for the US army and
then couldn't handle it, came back and I mean they
basically run a criminal empire out of prison, Like how
does a how does a guy that's in twenty three
and one lock up run a street gang was selling
drugs without you know, some kind of government assistance. So
it's just kind of stuff I've I've put together on
my own, you know, based on a symbology. Is every
single gang that I've that I've been able to see.
You know, their symbology is secret siding symbology.
Speaker 4: And what was the name of that operation You broke
up just a little bit when you were mentioning in
Vietnam and you said, they come.
Speaker 1: Back to the Operation Phoenix. Phoenix, remember, Yeah, Yeah, if
you look at the guys, a lot of these guys
that started the gang were basically members of They were
either part of army intelligence or they were they were
in Vietnam, they were part of Operation Phoenix, and it
seems like my hypothesis when they came back here, they
brought that violent military you know stuff back to the streets.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Absolutely, you know that.
Speaker 4: You know, that's something when I when I do a podcast,
you know, usually a lot sixty to ninety minutes and
you're talking about some of these conspiracies. You could spend months,
every single day and hour a day and never run
out of things to talk about. That's how how deep
these rabbit holes go. And it's much more than just
the physical and monetary.
Speaker 5: Attributes to these rabbit holes.
Speaker 4: There's very much a spiritual realm to these and like
you said, draining of you know, people's that you know,
just to get people to give up.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, And I think you know, another thing I
thought about is so if you think about if you
think about society, you think that like at the top
you've got like Illuminati or these high level royal secret societies.
Then you've got kind of the middle classes like Freemasons
or you know, like the Jesuit's just just like the
foot soldiers. But if you think about it, to control everyone,
the people that are kind of like that are screw
ups that are failures that you know, end up in
prison or end up in gangs and stuff. They don't
want to control them too. And I think gangs are
a way to get the people basically make the people
Freemasons that.
Speaker 5: Wouldn't be to be Freemasons, you know what I mean absolutely,
And you know, if you want to make it to
the top of the club, there's two ways.
Speaker 4: Either one you're part of the family, which you know
has its gang reference is right, you hear it. You're
you're part of the family, and that's very much what
uh you know when you get into them rate Freemason
and the Illuminati is through bloodlines. Like Fritz Sprungmeyer, you
know explains in his bloodlines of the Illuminati. But the
other way is sacrifice. And you look at many of
the people at the top, if you read their backstories,
they lose a mother, they lose a son, they lose
a sister. You can't get in without the sacrifice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then you know, another another aspect, I forg
have to mention. My family is like, let's say, loosely
related to one of the one of the five families
in New York. We have like the mafia element. I'm
from Sicily, like the Italian My family is from Sicily.
And if you look at the history of the Mafia,
the original Mafi that came over here was called the
Black Hand, the symbol with a black hand. And the
guy that started in the in the official story, the
pasty that started World War One, the Serbian guy that
killed Archduke Franz Ferdinand. The organization he was part of
was the Black Hand. He was essentially a Serbian offshoot
of the Mafia, which is I think something that no
one I've never heard him and talk about that. Yeah, yep, yeah,
so you know, and and and the Mafia was basically
in the let's say the forties, like we're a little
before World War Two. The the what they're called the
Black Hand, which is the Italian from Italy part of
the mafia. They were all killed off and taken over
by Lucky Luciano and Mayer Lansky. And I mean essentially
the mafia is essentially ran at the top by Jewish people,
which is something that is not really you know, I
think talked about it or whatever, and they're kind of
the with the funding mechanism to get Israel was a
big fundingism mechanism to get Israel founder.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know that is something that I need
to do a podcast on because, uh, if you look
at the Black Hand and their establishment whatever it's called
unification or death, that that all that was just it
was organized just three years and again may you know
the Illuminati was formed May first, seventeen seventy six.
Speaker 5: And you know.
Speaker 4: This, this group was formed just three years prior to
the assassination of Archie Duke Ferdinand, which of course played
a large part in what they tell us is the
you know, World War One kicking off.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And and you know, I mean Italy, which
is you know where the Massia was Italy. The modern
Italy is so free, so dominated by Freemasonry, when Mussolini
was was taking over. He was trying to get rid
of a group called the Charbonari, which was the group
that basically was the secret society that founded Unified Italy,
and he wasn't able to he was he was basically
told like, you know, I know your your ideals don't
don't line up with this, but you got to stuck
it up. And you know, I mean, I think a
lot of our modern society is the secret scieties are
so baked into it set you almost can't separate, you know,
you can you can't separate.
Speaker 5: From it, Yeah, one hundred percent.
Speaker 4: And the other thing that you mentioned, and I guess
we could kind of segue into it is twofold. The
importance and I actually asked this to my guest yesterday,
was how do we do a better job of having
the foresight to ensure that our children, grandchildren and their
grandchildren understand true history, right because our grandparents, like yours,
fault in World War Two, like mine did, and they
were tricked to believe a certain agenda. And then you
find out things like Pearl Harbor were known about weeks
ahead of time, and Vietnam later, Golf of Tonkin. How
can we ensure that our children and grandchildren are passed
down this knowledge, not just from our voices. Because listen,
when you're young, how many times did my dad try
to tell me something. I'm like, yeah, because when you're fourteen, fifteen, sixteen,
you know everything, you have all the answers, right, how
do we preserve this is this true history and pass
it down?
Speaker 1: You know, I think I think writing it down is important,
you know, recording it digitally, you know, I was thinking
that a day something in a I think it was
the Assyrians when they when mine it was burned down,
they wrote all of their stuff on the tablets. And
so when the city burned down when they were I
think it was the Babylonians were trying to burn it
out of existence, it actually baked the tablet. And so
in nineteen twelve or nineteen thirteen, when they found that
city they were able to read all the history was
still there. And I think, you know, would be recording
in such a way that it's impossible to destroy, you know,
because I think the Internet is amazing, but one day
somebody will pull a plug on the Internet and all
of this what we're what we're doing right now, and
you know, all the videos and all the things the
Internet are going to be gone, so I think it
would be it would be writing something down in a
way that will last attest the time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a great point. And you also mentioned in
one of your emails else and this doesn't get talked
about much either, back in nineteen oh two, turn of
the century, and again it's amazing how much the world
changed between eighteen seventy one and nineteen thirteen.
Speaker 5: But it's known that in nineteen oh.
Speaker 4: Two, how the Carnegie Foundation, the Carnegie Libraries, they replaced
all those books and they were replaced or let's say,
rewritten or edited by all the Carnegie nonprofits. And if
you look at by the way, if you take the time,
go to Google, put in Carnegie Foundation nine ninety. They
are one of the wealthiest in the world.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I believe it. Yeah, that the free library
there was nineteen oh two, they put all the Carnegie
free libraries everywhere. That was I think an early and
very effective FIOUF because I think they changed history alive.
I mean, excuse me. They if you look at if
you read old books, you know from I don't know,
eighteen fifty eighteen sixties, eighteen seventies. History has just changed
so much. I mean, if you read, if you read
all books, they say like, oh, draftagons are rare, They're
not that many dragons left in the world, you know,
and that was that was not that long. You know.
So many of the things we think are just like
copy cock, just you know, ludicrous people one hundred thought
were real, you know. And I think that that turn
of the century that you know, post Civil War period,
there was a huge, a huge knowledge reset and that
you know, the way science kind of tried to get
God out of science, you know, because early scientists were
working like it was a collaboration. They were they were theological,
they were scientists, they did it all together. And then
all of a sudden there was a you know, Darwinism
that that period where you're trying to kind of make
everything you know, factual and get rid of the belief,
get rid of the supernatural part of tough things. You know.
It did it did it change really quick. And I
mean I had I had My great grandfather is from
uh was from Pennsylvania, and he wrote down, rode down
the Susquehanna River on a lull to work on the
Susqualhanna Dam and that was, you know, like a hundred
years ago. So that's how my scientists came. You know,
you don't see people riding down.
Speaker 4: The river on a log I don't want to need No,
you certainly don't. But you know, life was much simpler
back then as well. There's something to say about uh
while things were a little more difficult, but it was
simpler and there wasn't the complexities of the things that
we have to deal with today.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. I think technology is kind of like
a poison pill. There's a lot of good with it,
but I think not I think the good or the
bad that weighs the good. But I think it's a
lot of control whenevery you know, anything that is a
smart that is the word smarter than I think it is,
like surveillance, you know, I think I think we're just
so surveilled now and we're so controlled, I think, you know,
I mean, I remember, like as a kid ground I
didn't have a cell phone, you know, and people five
years younger than me don't know that, you know. I
was like the last generation of people that got grew
up you know, in an analog world. And I think
you know, the people like my son's age, the young
kids growing up now, I think it will be hard
for them to try to break free because they were
born into it. You know. I think it's like it's
like they're almost in the matrix, you know, in a way.
Speaker 4: That's a great point by the way, you know, speaking
of them trying to get away from certain things. You know,
this agenda the American Humanist Association, if that's a rabbit
hole that you haven't gone down, everyone should really check
it out, because once again, this is one of those
things that came about in the nineteen forties and their
slogan is good without a God, and you know, and
it's it's the same line of people like you know,
Elon Musk and his family come from the Bill Gates people.
You know, they're a large nonprofit, not as big as
the Carnegie Corporation, which I just pulled up their nine
to ninety. They pull over four billion dollars. Imagine how
much power and control that you have with four and
that's just one. The Printzkers have over sixty nonprofits.
Speaker 5: This is one. So and this is what we're up against.
Speaker 4: The loopholes where if you don't report your six hundred
dollars or eBay sale, they're going to come get you.
But the elites they get away with all this mess
by having nonprofits and they don't have to pay taxes
on anything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, and I think it's it's it's what's
really interesting right now, the DOGE situation, the Department of
Government offiency, what Elana is doing. I think it's a
good thing. You know that you're auditing it. But I
think that video I sent you of Norman Dodd, I
think it was called the Reef the Recee Commission of
the Reef Report. That was like the same thing, but
it was done within the balance of the Constitution. And
I think what is happening now. Yet, maybe it's a
good thing, and maybe some people we get exposed, but
it's it's it's basically bringing in fascism. It's bringing in
you know, it's it's saying the end justifies the me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you have the same people who were saying
three years ago, four years ago that we didn't elect
Bill Gates, uh, we didn't elect doctor Fauci. Well, now
you have the same thing going on with Elon Musk.
So you know, let's put it across nobody elected him.
And oh, by the way, there was a story that
came out yesterday where the government is putting up five
hundred million dollars to buy Tesla's.
Speaker 5: So it's just it's the same old song and dance.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's crazy, man. And I think, you know,
with Elon Musk if he was if let's say Kamala
had one, I don't think anyone would have tolerated what's
happening if who was coming from a democratic president precisely. Yeah, yeah,
I think the way they're doing it, it's like it's
a way to get the true I don't understand personally.
I know a lot of you know, you see a
lot of a lot of Christian people are conservative, you know,
family value of people that support Elon. I mean, I
don't know, how can you this guy says he wants
to arrange it like his family or generational things. They
don't even hide it. You know, how can how can
just because he does them and you like, how can
you possibly support him? You know?
Speaker 4: Yeah, just because they have a D or an R
at the end of their name, that that's who you
cheer for.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's it's wild there's a I'm not sure
if you've ever heard of the name. There's a guy
named doctor Sean Cross h R. O. S. S. Who
was a I think he was a thirty third or
thirty second degree freemason in Switzerland and he kind of
like blew that open and he was I think he
spent about twenty years at prison in Switzerland and was
almost assassinated a couple of times, but he went into
like the geniality a lot of people. And Elon of
his family is originally in Switzerland and they're like the
I think they go back as far as the Rowan Empire.
Speaker 5: So they're probably descendants of the knights at the Templar.
Speaker 1: Yes, sir, yeah, definitely yeah. And you know, and Switzerland
is another whole thing that I think people don't realize.
I mean, Switzerland is one of the most powerful countries.
I think a lot of people get focused on on Israel,
you know, And and there's more Swiss school citizens in
the United States than there are ISRAELI.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I believe it is one of the heads of
the snake without a doubt.
Speaker 1: Definitely, yes, sir, yeah, yeah, I mean I think you know,
you just if you look at World War two, and
you look at what was going on in Switzerland during
World War two. That is where all the actions going,
you know, ye, yeah, I mean that's where That's where
Alan Dulles was, That's where Joseph Kennedy was, That's where
you know a lot of a lot of the Nazis
who survived. You know, I think, I don't know if
you've ever done it, done a deep dive but into
the Nuremberg trials or the end of the World War Two.
But you know, all the people that were really doing
all the terrible things to hear about the Nazis, all
the people that did that didn't go weren't a Nurreinberg. No,
No one when that was committing serious wartimes was a Nuremberg.
They all seem to survive.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's funny they used the word war crimes,
but there are war crimes on both sides in every
single war.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah that but but but like at Nuremberg, they
had the military leaders.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, No politician will ever truly go after
another politician of any country. You'll never tell me the
last time you saw a major politician get hauled away
in handcuffs.
Speaker 1: I would say it was.
Speaker 5: The from Bosnia. Oh yeah, yeah, you're right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, or.
Speaker 1: Yeah or or yeah yeah Gadafi too, Getafi I killed.
But for the.
Speaker 4: Most part those people are useless stooges or be like
you said with Gaddafi, they crossed the bankers and that
that's a death notice right there.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. When when when you were in Iraq,
did you did you see any of like the gold
or did you see any of the stuff that Saddam
Because I know there's a lot of rumors that that
Saddam had like some uh Samerian artifacts or something like that,
and that was part of what they were trying to
go after.
Speaker 4: So the coolest thing I got to see in Iraq
was the czigarette of her and you know, it's yeah,
that was awesome. I was in one of his palaces
in Iraq, and and it's very mind blowing because when
you first crossed the Berm from Kuwait and Iraq, I
mean you have people living when you talk about extreme poverty,
uh many people walking around no clothes, literally living in
huts with mud and straw. And then you know, you
get into Basra and you see what's going on there.
It's but you know it's very quick for us to judge.
But you drive through the United States and within an
hour you could be.
Speaker 5: You know, in a.
Speaker 4: Place with mansions, then in a trailer park, and then
in Section eight housing, all within an hour as well.
And then you know, we have these things that most
other countries don't have, which we're going back full circle
here is the prison industrial complex and the guys of
freedom that we are ruled under. One thing I wanted
to mention before I forget, we're almost out of time here,
but you mentioned Switzerland, and if you go back and
look at many of the world leaders, they went to
school there, including the North Korean leader Kim Jong un
he he went to college there or high school.
Speaker 5: I forget.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to mention really quick before before we're
out of times, because I think it's something that I've
only heard the guy I was mentioned, doctor Sean Cross.
There is a Swiss program that I think was this
maybe Aims, called the Swiss inter racial Breeding Program, and
essentially it's a program to let's say you have an
immigrant from Africa and he marries a Swiss woman and
they have a kid, then they will support the deport
the father so then the kid is encouraged to marry
another another African person, and essentially, after three generations you
have a person that looks fully African but is Swiss
and most of the world, the leaders at Africa and
in Asia that is like Kim jong On, that is
their their their genealogy. You're essentially having a person that
on the outside looks like an Asian person or an
African person or a Middle Eastern person, but mentally is
a is a s is like as an olive arch.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's very interesting. And I've tried to pinpoint doctor
Ross before. He's got stuff on Rumbull, He's got stuff
on Bitch Shoot, you know, like I think he did
something called the Empire of Darkness back on on Bitch
Shoot seven years ago or something like that.
Speaker 5: But he's got some interesting stuff.
Speaker 4: The one that I've bookmarked the one on the Internet
archive where he goes and talks about the Knights, Templar
and that rabbit hole, which is very interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's I think a hard guy that he's homeless.
I think his whole life is destroyed by what he
was talking about. So he is, you know, I think
his videos get deleted and has always been able to
always able to put them back because I know when
I first heard about him maybe four or five years ago,
he had a lot more information out there, and a
lot of his videos have been deleted.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's one of the guys.
Speaker 4: You do have to really go on yandex or one
of these alternate search engines to find but you can
still find some of his stuff. There's a couple podcasts
out there, there's a couple of videos out there, but
you've got to do a little bit of work to
try to find it.
Speaker 5: Last thing I wanted to ask you is.
Speaker 4: Before we go, I know you mentioned that your love
for actual physical books. Could you recommend two or three
books to people that they should go on eBay or
whatever try to find and get the physical copy?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so, I mean so, I think one of the
really obvious ones is Behold a Pale Horse, because the
audible version of that is actually about fifty pages shorter,
so they I don't haven't gotten audible version, but if
you don't have a first edition copy of that, it's
been I believe it's maybe the Protocols of the Other
than Zion.
Speaker 5: Yeah, chapter chapter fifteen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, so I would say that's a really important
one to look at. If you could find an original
version of a Fritz spring Myers Wether of the Illuminati.
That's another one that's been edited very heavily to where
like the modern version is not at all the same
as the old one, you know, I would say, and
he's kind of controversial, but I would say a lot
of David Irving's work, I think he is kind of
more mainstream, and he's maybe a sympathizer of a German sympithizer.
But his his research is so good, and he doesn't
always draw a lot of conclusions. I think like he
I think maybe he worries about his own life. He
doesn't go into like secret siety so much. But he
on his website he's posted a lot of the actual
journals of like Himmler and Gobels and stuff like that,
and there's just research that he's done that I don't
think anyone else has done.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's one of the truthers on Dresden as.
Speaker 1: Well, Yes, sir, Yeah, that's how he got. He wrote
that book when he was about I think twenty three
or twenty four, which is amazing. I don't know, I
don't know how he's able to do that at such
a young age and let me let's just try to
and okay, Yeah. Another one I would say is Proof
of a Conspiracy by Robinson, Sir was a John Robinson.
That's the one about the Illuminati from seventeen ninety eight.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a great one. And I love books from
the eighteen hundreds. I wish I had the money, you know,
I was looking at some Geneva Bibles today from fifteen sixty,
the actual ones, and there was one that was almost
ten thousand dollars, like an actual one from that print
from fifteen sixty was huge, leather bound, and you know,
I kind of miss you know, we've the pride and
the worksmanship of even books of today versus from long
time ago.
Speaker 5: It's just incredible.
Speaker 1: I'm actually the book I'm actually currently reading right now.
I think it was written in eighteen fifty four. It
was written two years before the Caring's an event. So
it was a book on the on telegraph, on the
telegraph industry and the shorthand like shorthand telegraphing. And it's
wild because basically that a year or two after that
book came out, that technology was became obsolete because all
the telegraphs got destroyed and we switched the phones. So
it's very interesting, but it's a whole like it's a
manual for like a telegraph operator on how to to
learn how telegraphing.
Speaker 5: Yep.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, and that happened like just right before the Civil
War started, right before the secession of the unit of
the Confederacy. And that is very interesting.
Speaker 5: So many things out there. Where do you begin?
Speaker 4: You know, you could spend twenty three hours a day
and still never get to the bottom of all these
rabbit holes.
Speaker 5: But it was it was a pleasure to talk to you.
Speaker 4: I'm so happy we're able to cover such a gambit
of of of topics and between you, you know what
you dealt with earlier in your life to your journey
to the truth, and here you are today sharing all
that knowledge. So we greatly appreciate you coming on.
Speaker 1: Thank you, sir. And I just wanted to add it's
wild as a person, you know, I think you have
a Sara. You have a lot of criminal people or
or you know people in prison as being maybe a
little stupider, and I learned. I mean, I'm telling you
you could have some guests if you get if you
could get a hold of some of the people that
are that we're on the former death row or lifers
in prison, you would learn because they have, you know,
twenty three twenty four hours a day to research. There
are some people that know some serious history that are
stuck behind bars.
Speaker 4: Absolutely absolutely, and if you have any ideas, feel free
to send me an email and I'll reach out to whoever.
These these conversations are fantastic and knowledge is power, and
you certainly brought of that a lot of that today.
Speaker 1: So thank you so much, John, Yes, thank you, thank
you so much. And yeah, I mean I've been listening.
I think I'm listening to just since the very beginning.
So I'm I'm really happy to be on here and
I'll definitely send you I want to send you some
books that you might be interested in. There some more
unusual books. Maybe I can send you like some BDF
I could even download.
Speaker 5: It perfectly and I can throw them on the website
as well.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yes, thank you, and yeah, it was it was
a pleasure. Thanks for thanks for taking the time to
to talk YEP.
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