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Speaker 1: The following presentation is Adel Marvis Studio's production.

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Speaker 2: You're listening to the fact Hunter Radio Network.

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Speaker 3: Here is your host, George Hobbes.

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Speaker 4: Welcome back truth seekers from around the world. It's time

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for another edition of the Fact Hunter podcast. I'm your

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host is always George Hobbs. I hope everybody is doing

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well and having a great weekend. We're actually recording on

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this Friday, February fourteenth, Valentine's Day, twenty twenty five, a

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very very nice day, no rain, no snow like we've

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had for the last few days. We have a very

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special guest today. This is a special episode. His name

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is John and we're very happy to have him. A

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lot of conversation and CFR the Bankers, a lot of

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important topics that we have talked about over the years

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that continue to.

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Speaker 5: Need to be refreshed.

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Speaker 4: And anytime I have a conversation, whether it be nine

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to eleven or Waco or any of these big topics

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that we talk about, anytime I talk with someone different,

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I always learned something new. That's why it's important why

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we always go back and look at these things. And

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we're going to bring on our guests now. His name

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is John. How are you doing, John?

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Speaker 1: I'm doing great. How about you?

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Speaker 4: I'm doing really good Man, And I know we had

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a couple of misses back and forth, so I'm glad

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we're finally able to connect and have this conversation. And

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with that being said, why don't you go ahead and

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introduce yourself to the audience.

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Speaker 1: Are you hearing that like little background or is that

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just is that just me? I hear a little like

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breaking up when you're talking.

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Speaker 5: Uh no, it sounds clear on this side.

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, perfect, all right. Yeah, So I actually heard

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a sort of listening to you. I think I caught

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you right around your first episode. I was I was

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trying to find you Spotify to download podcasts because I

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was working in Aware a lot of heavy metal, like

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a metal roof that blocks the cell reception, so I

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was trying to find something download and I think I

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found around maybe episode ten or so. And I've listened

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to you for a long time, and I heard the

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reason I ended this start. I had contacted you. I

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heard that cast for kids episode. And I'm from I'm

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from Maryland, from Aberdeen, Marylands, brobably about forty five minutes

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outside of Baltimore. Was a little suburb of Baltimore. But

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I when I was about fifteen, I got in a fight,

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you know, an altercation with the guy I think he

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was about nineteen or twenty, beat him up pretty bad.

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I was really drunk. I basically came to and in

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a cop car, you know, heard what happened. Thought, okay,

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you know, I don't know. I thought would get in

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trouble or whatever. A long story short. I went to

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court at a public defender. Me and my parents weren't

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really getting along at time, don't have any money, and

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initially they were asking me to plead guilt, to plead

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out to a life sentence, and Maryland doesn't have a

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death penalty, so I mean that would be like pleading

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to the very worst worst thing possible. So I have

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no idea. I didn't research the judges. I don't know

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if there was any corruption or what ever. But basically

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I think I ended up getting I got juvenile life

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plus twenty five. So that would mean I would have

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had my first roll when I was thirty three, I

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think thirty two or thirty three, and I committed a

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crime when I was fifteen, So in my court case,

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like I was, I was so drunk. I don't remember

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doing it. I don't even know why I got in

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a fight that wasn't my you know, level of sobriety

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was never brought up. I was described as being premeditated

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when I'd never met the guy before. I think as

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much as I its in my eyes. He maybe says

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then to my girlfriend at the time, and I, you know,

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took it the wrong way or whatever. And we got

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in the fight, but basically I didn't give him any

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permanent damage and give any brain damage, just a bad

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fight drunk. I beat the guy up, and I got,

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you know, essentially charged with premeditated tempted murder, so, you know,

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And then I went to Maryland at that time had

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just built a new wing of Jessup. It was like it.

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She called a juvenile lifers the sixty people. And I

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think of the sixty people, I think all the fifty

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nine other people had murdered, so that I was the

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only person that I hadn't murdered anybody in the entire group.

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So I you know, when I got there, I kind

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of kind of realized. I mean, first I was just shocked,

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and I kind of realized that, uh wow, you know,

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I don't really belong like I looked. You know, we're

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talking talking to him to do about the times. I'm

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realizing that my you know, I had committed by far

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the least serious interaction. And at this point I didn't

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have a criminal record. I had no criminal record. I

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was played base or basketball and football. I was, you know,

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like a piece of a student, right. I didn't even

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really I never you know, maybe that's movie we that

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I not was not a person who I wasn't really

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into the criminal world. I didn't. I didn't know anything

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about it. I kind of was there and shell shocked,

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didn't know what to do. And then when I turned

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eighteen and got to be adult outside, I started meeting

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people who were reading black law and trying under you know,

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basically trying to get themselves out of it. In Baltimore

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in the seventies and eighties, there was a lot of

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guys who let's say, a woman would get murdered or raped,

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and you would have the woman who described the perpetrator

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as a six five, dark skinned black guy, and they

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would arrest a five to seven Mexican Hispanic guy and

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put him in prison just because they wanted to have

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an arrest, you know, have the arrest. So Baltimore is

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a notorious as a place of where you know, they

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don't want to make sure murders get solved and they

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don't know they'll find somebody who did it. And so,

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you know, I was in prison with a lot of

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those guys who were you know, starting to get DNA

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of it and getting themselves out and you know, proving

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that they were they were nowhere even near the scene

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of the crime. So I ended up getting another lawyer,

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and I, yeah, I got after idend up doing I

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did seven and a half years, and after seven and

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a half years, I got out on the the I

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actually only had a criminal record d the you know lawyer,

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I got it reduced to like a juvenile like a

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juvenile second degree assaults. But it ended up not I

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don't even have a criminal electorate. And the lawyer told

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me that if I had taken him initially, I would

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have gotten community service.

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Speaker 4: So that after that, sorry, no, that's amazing to me.

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A couple of things. Number one that at the age

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of fifteen that they wanted to plead. They wanted you

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to plead to life in prison, Yes, sir, yes, sir, Yeah,

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and that this was that's crazy to me, someone who

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never had a criminal background before. And the person that

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you had the altercation with, he didn't die, he didn't

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suffer any long term damage. But they wanted you to

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plead to life that that is insane. The other thing

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that I'd like you to describe to the audience, what

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was it like going from a juvie to an adult prison?

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Did it happen Number one, like on your eighteenth birthday?

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Number two? Did they did they take you kind of

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through did they make you watch your presentation and kind

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of what to expect in an adult prison? What was

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that whole transfer like?

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Speaker 1: Well, I so I when I was about seventeen, I

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got a tactic. I got stabbed by a couple of

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in mates. We had made a bet on a basketball game.

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I'm trying to remember whose final that was. I didn't

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like the Miami Heat and the Mavericks, I think and

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I won. I think. I think they owed me a dollar.

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The guy owed me a dollar, And I was asleep

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and they stabbed me in my sleep and I woke Luckily,

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I woke up and was able to get away, but

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I was very badly injured. So because I wouldn't. I

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wouldn't testify against them. I didn't. They wanted me to be.

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charge inside. They wanted me to stitch on them. And obviously,

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if you do that in prison, that's your life is

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going to be very difficult. It's nothing that's going to

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go well for you. So I didn't, and because of that,

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they basically transferred me to an adult once I got

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I was in the house was about three months and

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when I got out, they transferred me to adults. So

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I was I think seventeen and four months or something

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like that. So I went a little early. I was,

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I was nineteen yet, so I didn't go through the

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normal let's say, if there was something like that, I

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didn't experience it. I kind of got thrown in there.

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I have an older brother that's about ten years older

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than me that was actually in prison at the same

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place as me, so I think, you know, he kind

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of told me, told me what what not to do,

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and and I, uh, I think by the time I

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got to adult, I was about two hundred and thirty

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and forty pounds. I put them a lot of ways

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from working out, so I think, you know, I I

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don't know if I threw luck or throw a little

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bit of smart or whatever. I didn't have a terrible time,

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but I saw a lot of other people. I mean,

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I think a lot of people in my situation did

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a lot fared a lot worse than me, you know.

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pretty crazy. I think a lot of the the CEOs,

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the guards and stuff even felt bad for me. And

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you know a lot of the other inmates. I kind

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of just like sucked it up, and I guess kind

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of like disassociated or just accepted my eight And you know,

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luckily I had a lot of people around me who

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were saying, like, hey man, this is uh. You know,

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this doesn't make a lot of sense, Like you need

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to you need to you know, hit the books and

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try to figure try to figure a way out to

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fix your your situation.

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Speaker 4: That this might come off as a strange question, but

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I think many people, including myself, who maybe have had

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rough times as they enter adulthood into their late teens

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and early twenties. And we know it's a difficult world.

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You know, you're eighteen. You can't run a car. Insurance

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is through the roof. You have no credit score, and

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you make mistake and it mounts up. You know, maybe

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you see a judge and you're already broken your levy

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to five hundred dollars fine for something you can't pay

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that you can't pay your car insurance, You get a

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you know, and it builds up and you feel like

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you're suffocating. However, those tough times in your teens and

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early twenties, I've always said that those were the things

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that find me and made me who I am today.

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Speaker 5: Because I learned from those mistakes.

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Speaker 4: And I think for a lot of us who maybe

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are stubborn or don't maybe plan long term or really

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understand how things work, we need to be humbled in

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such ways. Now listen, I'm not trying to say that

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seven and a half years for what you did.

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Speaker 5: I mean that was rather extreme.

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Speaker 4: But with that being said, do you feel that was

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an important part of your being who you are today?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean yes, I do. I think I think

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I'm wanted people, you know how I used to hear

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about people kind of waking up to the truths in

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terms of COVID and stuff. And I think I come

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from a family that has I have some popes in

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my family. I'm descended from a three folks, so I

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have a family that was involved in secret society and stuff,

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so I kind of peripherally knew about some of that stuff.

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But I definitely think bad experience made me very skeptical of,

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you know, of authority and made me see like how

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little first, how little the truth matters, because I think

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before that I kind of thought like, Okay, I'm telling

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the truth in this whole situation. You know it's going

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to work out in my favor, and it obviously didn't.

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So I think, I think, you know, it showed me

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how little, how little human life is value. And I

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think a lot of people in the United States, I think,

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kind of think we're this kind of you know, we're

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more of a first world country. We're more we have

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kind of privilege, you know a little bit, and I

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think we don't. We're like a in a golden cage.

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of the gold part goes away and you see how

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bad it is or how how little you matter, I

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think it's important to people. I think, you know, I

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think a lot of people probably like maybe yourself in

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the military kind of like wakes you up to the

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reality of the world. And I think this was Yeah,

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it was a good It woke me up to the

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reality of the world. You know, I saw the world

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in a different way.

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Speaker 4: Now upon your reflection of your time in the prison system,

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and you know, you said you'd heard that the podcast

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on the kids for Cash.

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Speaker 5: Because I saw the same thing.

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Speaker 4: You know, it may sound silly, but there are the

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structure in the military and in the prison system were

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very much similar, especially in when you're in basic training,

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because it is you have a wake up time and

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everything is regimented, right It just like you know chickens,

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they're the same way. They have a regimented day every

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single day. But did you understand it at any point

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did you think that that you were actually a commodity?

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I saw a lot of the contracts for feeding soldiers,

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and then I saw what they actually fed us, and

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you begin to understand that while someone here is making

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an awful lot of money. So for instance, in Iraq,

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after the first tour, they started setting up the chow

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hals and you know, kbr kell, Agg Brown and Root

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got a huge contract. They put out very menial food.

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They hired Filipiano and people from say Nepaul. They would

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pay them five hundred dollars a month. And you understand

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the amount of money, right, And then you go back

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and read things like Smedley Butler's Wars a racket to

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truly understand that that soldiers are the same. We're a

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commodity and a lot of people make money off of

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us and war. And you see obviously in the prison system,

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you have vote, you have security, right the people who

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work at the prison, and then you were fed every

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single day? What was that experience like and say the

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prison food.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's another thing that I learned a lot.

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I think I learned so I this is conjecture, but

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based on my experience, I think they kind of test

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out when they're going to do a new chemical or

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something like that, they test out in prison because like

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soy based things, we were fed a lot of soy

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based things. And there was actually a period where a

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lot of a lot of men were starting to develop

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like breast tissue and actually like have like you know,

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have no libido, and people we had people we actually

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went on stripe, you know, to try to get get

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the food changed. But I believe that at a high

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level that prisons are kind of like a like a rat,

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like a lab rat kind of situation where I think

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they test certain things such as the food on prisoners

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to see what the results are going to be, because

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gulags and in the Civiet Union. I think in the

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twenties or the thirties, like in between the wars, they

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use that and realized that they gave prisoners enough aspertains,

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they needed less guards. The prison has a more docile

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and so I think I think that happens to maybe

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not quite in the extreme of the case, but I

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believe that happens in you know, in prisons. And I

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know with like MK Ultra that the federal prisons they

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were doing MK culture in the fifth forties and fifties.

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Some of the early MK culture experiments were done in

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the prison. So yeah, I mean, I think you're making

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a ton of money off. You know, Maryland is not

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a huge in terms of prison industries. I think California

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is more of a where, you know, the prison industry

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is more the West cat but you know, we're making

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we make a sign posts and make work license plates

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and you know, yeah, definitely, I mean you make I

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think you make about seventy five cents an hour. So

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you know, obviously, no matter how good or bad of

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the work is, you're saying so many seventy five cents

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an hour, you're making a lot of money off.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and that again is in reflection when you realize that.

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And the thing that really blew my mind when I

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started doing research for the prison industrial complex, if you will,

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was these contracts had stipulations if the population fell under

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a certain percentage, that they were in jeopardy of losing

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the contracts. And that you know, we talk about all

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the evils and all these podcasts over years. I mean,

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that's that's the top five most evil things. You know,

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we need to keep people in cages in order to

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keep a contract. That is just it doesn't get much

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more evil.

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Speaker 1: Than that, definitely, And it's crazy how many people, you know, obviously,

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when I was in prison in marijuana was still llegal,

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but it's crazy how many people are in prison for

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you know, small drug offenses. You know, obviously mine was

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a violent offense, but there are so many people that

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are that are you know, doing really long times for

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marijuana or for you know, basically just being a drug addict.

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back when in the eighties and nineties and that was

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a was a big thing. And I know, I mean,

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I think Baltimore is one of the worst cities in

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terms of this. But Baltimore has a you know, has

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a long history of basically finding a perpetrator. Like a

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crime gets committed, if they can't find out who did it,

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they will just throw a person in jail on and

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I you know, I was in prison with a lot

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of guys from that were let's say in their sixties

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and seventies at the time, who've been there for forty

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fifty years, and you know, they they obviously didn't do it.

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The witness identifies somebody totally different. They couldn't find the perpetrator,

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and they just threw them in there. And then now

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the DNA was coming out, they were getting out. But

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I mean, I mean, Baltimore, I think is one of

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the worst city in the United States in terms of

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just you know, signing a erbetrator you know, to fit

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the crime.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that that is. You know, obviously I'm only an

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hour from there, and I've spent a lot of time

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down there. I have family that lived down there. And

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anytime you have a big city, and to be honest

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with you, most of the big cities in the United

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States that they're all they all have problems that are

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similar to Baltimore's. It's just on different scales, whether it's

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Saint Louis, Los Angeles, New York, especially Chicago. But Baltimore

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is a very failed city, which is a shame because

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it's got, you know, the Harbor Area, Annapolis, you know,

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just a lot of beautiful areas around it. But when

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you just break down the numbers with the just astronomical

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illiteracy rate and there's no failure that speaks to thirteen

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years of being taught something and that person leaves that

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system unable to read. That is the greatest failure in

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the country. And then of course, you know with the

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you know, it started in the eighties with the CIA

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bringing drugs into the cities, the destruction of the nuclear family,

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and here we are today. It's just it's mind blowing

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when you look at Baltimore and you know, like Philadelphia

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up there in Kensington. It's just destroyed these cities and families.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah. And something interesting. I don't know if

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you've ever looked into this, but if you look at

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the people the research of like, I think it's they

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call it like Tartaria, but I think this is kind

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of a placeholder name. But basically the people who think

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that there was a there was a civilization here before.

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areas of Spection eight areas. If you look at the architecture,

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a lot of those are these old buildings that are

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obviously got mud flooded. And I think part of my

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theory is that the places that were like the you know,

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power centers, or the places that had the really good

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vibrations to church bells, the beautiful of churches, they try

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to put the worst. They try to beat those areas

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down the worst, because if you look at Baltimore, it

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has some amazing you know, if you could look through

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the graffiti and through the you know, drug addicts and

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stuff like that, it has a beautiful city with beautiful architecture.

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And I personally think that part of why it's beaten

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down so much is to try to hide.

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Speaker 4: That Yeah, that's a great point, and that is I'm

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actually having a guest on next week that is kind

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of a subject matter expert in that department. I look

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forward to him breaking down you know a lot of

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this architecture that certainly seems like if you go back

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and say, wow, we didn't even invent the automobile until

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the eighteen eighties, but we have these buildings that were

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were told were built you know, x this date. But

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they did it without any power tools, without this, without that,

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And the architecture that we create today is nothing compared

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to these buildings like the Capital Building, and you know,

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all this infamous architecture that is around this country.

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Speaker 5: So certainly a lot of timeline questions.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and another really interesting about about Baltimore because it's

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an interesting city. I think Baltimore and Detroit have a

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lot of similarities to where they were these very powerful cities,

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you know, a long time ago, and they've really kind

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of gotten smaller and worse over time. Baltimore is named

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after the affails Mata, the goddess of Biblos, which is

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the second biggest city of the Canaanites of the Phoenicians.

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The patron goddess of Biblos who was named Ballatmore and

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she was There's a city called Baltimore in Ireland that

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was I think about two hundred thousand people lived there

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under and during the Potato Family it was totally destroyed.

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It's about a town of like maybe a thousand people

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live there now it's like an abandoned city in Ireland.

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And there was a statue of ballat Moore that was

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taken from Ireland over to here in the seventeen hundreds.

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And if you know where Drewid Hill Park is in

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the right in the middle of Drewid Hill Park, there

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was a statue that's about ten foot tall of Ballatmore

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in this and she was the wife of ball and

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she's a different name I think of isis, but a

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giant statue there and then in the seventies they took

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the statue and sent it back to Ireland. So there's

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definitely something. I haven't figured all that out, but I

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know have a couple of friends that are you know,

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into that research, that are you know, going out taking

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pictures and trying to and there's definitely something I think,

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you know, where some of these cities that have a

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lot of bad energy a lot of bad stuff going on.

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There's almost like these dark dozs or demons have something

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to do with these cities, like they're patron demons of

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these cities.

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Speaker 4: Well, it doesn't help that Baltimore is, you know, fifteen

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minutes away from DC. And if you look at aerial

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pictures from d C and all the numerology involved with

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like the Washington Monument and a lot of the cities

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that are like on the thirty third degree parallel, it's

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really interesting. And yeah, yeah, again, Baltimore is one of

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those cities that just by the way, I don't know

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if you mentioned it there, but there's actually a town

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called Baltimore in Ireland today, was founded like four hundred

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year years ago.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, sir, Yeah, and the wild in one of

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the Baltimore Island. It was a huge city. I think

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it was the third biggest city in Ireland up until

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the Potato family and it basically everyone died of the

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Poto family and left and it's like a ghost town

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in Ireland. It's very strange. It's a very weird, weird

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looking city.

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Speaker 5: That's interesting.

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Speaker 4: What let's talk about your journey to the truth a

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little bit. When did you start to understand that things

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weren't exactly as they seem.

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Speaker 1: You know, I think I have a little bit of

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the unique. So my my mother's family, her family were

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popes who actually they have three popes. I think it's

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Nicholas the second, Nicholas the third, and Anselat the second.

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They were poking like the twelve hundreds. So my grandfather

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was always really interested and he served in World War

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Two over in Japan, so he brought back a lot

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of indjesting stuff from there, and he he he was

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a big supporter of biggest fan of Mussolini. So at

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a young age, I kind of like that, you know,

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made me question because I was thinking like, oh, you know,

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they're so evil. Why would why would my grandfather, said

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a nice guy be be a big fan of Mussoleanian

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And you know, he he would give me these different

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books and talk to me. So I think I think

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he kind of pushed me a lot in that direction

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at a young age. There's actually a book about my family.

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My mom's baby name is pure Leoni, and there's a

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book called Popes from the Ghetto by Jocum Prince. If

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you're ever inels looking and it is it alleges that

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it puts a pretty pretty compellingly that the purely one

479
00:23:35,799 --> 00:23:40,400
family were Ashkenazi Jews and they converted the Catholicism, tostrate

480
00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:43,160
the Catholic Church and try to take it out from

481
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:45,960
the inside. And they're actually the popes, the three purely

482
00:23:46,039 --> 00:23:48,359
only popes of the popes that made the Old Test

483
00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:51,839
basically made the tour and the talent with part of Christianity.

484
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:56,559
And uh, you know, I remember my grandfather and he

485
00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:57,960
gave me that book and I read it when I

486
00:23:58,039 --> 00:24:00,039
was younger, so, you know, just things like that. I

487
00:24:00,039 --> 00:24:01,400
think at an early age, you know, by when I

488
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:04,240
was eleven or twelve, I was already questioning things, you know,

489
00:24:04,279 --> 00:24:07,279
and and uh once you know what, as I say,

490
00:24:07,279 --> 00:24:10,319
the symbols are the downfall manly fee Hall. You know,

491
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:12,440
I think I learned. I learned those symbols are pretty

492
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:15,200
young age. So I was always questioning. I had a

493
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:18,000
couple of really good history teachers in high school and

494
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,559
middle school. Who you know, I had a history teacher

495
00:24:20,559 --> 00:24:23,880
who was like talking about the younger Dryas and like

496
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:26,559
Atlantis and pyramids and stuff like that. So I had

497
00:24:26,559 --> 00:24:28,240
a call of people to push me in the truth

498
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:30,960
at a really early age. But I pretty much always questioned.

499
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,079
You know, I've been a question for a long time.

500
00:24:34,839 --> 00:24:37,680
Speaker 4: That's good because you know, I reflected recently a lot

501
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:39,880
of my history teachers. I think we're in the lad

502
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:43,160
of the latter part of their career in the curriculum,

503
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:46,680
and we're closer to retirement, and I think, uh, for

504
00:24:46,759 --> 00:24:49,279
them that were they were nice, but but they were

505
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:52,559
very by the book. And now in reflection, when when

506
00:24:52,599 --> 00:24:55,240
you realize that everything that is in the history books

507
00:24:55,799 --> 00:24:58,319
is at best, you know, a little bit of truth

508
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:02,720
mixed with with the their story, it's kind of depressing.

509
00:25:02,799 --> 00:25:06,920
Like things like you know, Dresden and the USS Liberty

510
00:25:07,599 --> 00:25:10,680
I didn't even become familiar with until later on in life,

511
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:13,559
and history was the one subject I actually paid attention to.

512
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:17,400
Speaker 5: So it kind of you know, when when you.

513
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:21,359
Speaker 4: Actually start to learn, I guess you can call it,

514
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:26,240
what's the word retrohistory, you know, whatever it is you

515
00:25:26,319 --> 00:25:27,119
want to call it.

516
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:30,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess, yeah, true, true, yeah.

517
00:25:30,039 --> 00:25:34,839
Speaker 4: Exactly, and you understand just the little nuggets that you're taught.

518
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:40,680
Again Dresden, which anywhere between which yesterday was the eightieth anniversary,

519
00:25:40,799 --> 00:25:45,079
right anywhere between one hundred and fifty to two hundred

520
00:25:45,079 --> 00:25:49,400
and twenty five thousand people in three days, in three days,

521
00:25:50,079 --> 00:25:53,240
and yeah, and you just don't hear that in your

522
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:54,880
in your history books.

523
00:25:55,599 --> 00:25:57,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's what you did. I remember you did an

524
00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:00,440
episode of about Dresden, and I think, I think is

525
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:04,079
really wild that now I think it was twenty fifteen.

526
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,079
They're trying to read you the numbers to say it's

527
00:26:06,079 --> 00:26:09,599
twenty five thousand. I think yep. Basically, you wait till

528
00:26:09,599 --> 00:26:11,880
the people die that are witnesses of it, and then

529
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:14,880
you know, you then you you know, then you can

530
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,119
rewrite it once there's no you know, because I was

531
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,519
lucky I had I had close relationships with both my

532
00:26:19,519 --> 00:26:22,240
my grandparents and so my great grandparents. But I was

533
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:23,759
able to talk to people at a young age who

534
00:26:23,799 --> 00:26:27,359
were saying things contrary to what the mainstream, you know,

535
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:31,200
story of things are. So you know, I I think,

536
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:33,759
you know, the three generations is all it takes to

537
00:26:33,799 --> 00:26:35,640
really like rewrite something. You just wait till the people

538
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,079
die and then you start, you know, you start rewriting it.

539
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:40,640
Because if you read a lot of old books, I mean,

540
00:26:41,319 --> 00:26:43,960
our history is totally different. I don't know what to

541
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:45,680
believe I'm kind of one of those people. I'm not

542
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,880
gonna I'm not dogmatic. I just am curious about what

543
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,640
the truth is. But I think, you know, there's I mean,

544
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:53,759
there's a lot of you know, there's a lot of

545
00:26:53,799 --> 00:26:56,559
evidence that that basically once you go back back about

546
00:26:56,559 --> 00:26:58,240
maybe four or five in their years, we really don't

547
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,759
know what happens, you know, we don't really it's hard

548
00:27:00,759 --> 00:27:02,759
to really know what was going on, you know.

549
00:27:03,279 --> 00:27:06,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like, for instance, I don't believe the Christopher Columbus

550
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:07,200
story for one second.

551
00:27:08,279 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 1: No, no, not at all, not at all, not a

552
00:27:11,519 --> 00:27:15,160
bit not. There's a channel on YouTube name and I'm

553
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,799
not satiety. He's still on YouTube. I think his name

554
00:27:17,839 --> 00:27:21,079
is Karima. Oh. I'll send you, I'll send you the

555
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,920
link to it. But he did a whole breakdown and

556
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:28,880
it seemed to be Christopher Columbus was when the Sephardic

557
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:32,759
jewry and kicked out of out of Spain, that he

558
00:27:32,839 --> 00:27:35,079
was basically coming over here. But but it seems like

559
00:27:35,319 --> 00:27:37,960
he had Phoenician maps to know where things were, because

560
00:27:38,279 --> 00:27:40,680
that island he landed on. If you look at some

561
00:27:40,759 --> 00:27:43,039
of the really old maps, I think it's that the

562
00:27:43,039 --> 00:27:45,200
maps from the Turkish guy, I'm blanking over the name.

563
00:27:45,279 --> 00:27:47,599
But there's a really old map that shows Antarctica without

564
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:51,400
snow on it, and they're in that map that shows

565
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,240
in in the island versiph Columbus landed on a Phoenician

566
00:27:54,319 --> 00:27:56,880
city there, So I believe they were coming over here

567
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,440
kind of just trying to see, you know, they were

568
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:00,839
read this stuff, they knew it was here, and they

569
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:02,559
were just trying to see what was going on over here.

570
00:28:03,599 --> 00:28:06,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree, and I think the name has been changed.

571
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:10,279
I think the Christopher Columbus is just a tip of

572
00:28:10,319 --> 00:28:13,960
the cap to the CC and the thirty three. Yes,

573
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:19,319
and of course that story was all about just also

574
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:24,440
implementing that, you know, you know, everybody else at the time.

575
00:28:24,559 --> 00:28:30,079
It's funny because people always say, you know, people never

576
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,079
used to think the Earth was flat, right, that this

577
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:34,400
whole flat Earth movement was in the last ten years.

578
00:28:34,519 --> 00:28:36,960
But the actual story was people were afraid to sail,

579
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:40,160
so Christopher. Part of Christopher Columbus's whole mission was to

580
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:43,759
prove that we lived on a ball. So it's just

581
00:28:43,799 --> 00:28:45,359
another contradictory story.

582
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely. And I think the whole, the whole flatter

583
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,519
than ball think, you know, I don't. I don't know.

584
00:28:52,559 --> 00:28:54,759
I'm not I'm not hundreds I'm sure which which is what?

585
00:28:55,359 --> 00:28:57,680
I just know that whatever the model we use is wrong.

586
00:28:57,960 --> 00:28:59,079
Speaker 5: I know that, oh for sure.

587
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,599
Speaker 1: Model I'm not I'm not sure. You know what if

588
00:29:02,599 --> 00:29:06,240
it's necessarily flat or necessarily reground, or maybe it's uh,

589
00:29:06,519 --> 00:29:09,000
there's an image that it's like the it shows like

590
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,119
the star of David, the star of Rembam as the earth. Yeah,

591
00:29:12,119 --> 00:29:13,720
and I think or like a tree of life, and

592
00:29:13,759 --> 00:29:16,000
it could be maybe something like that. But I just

593
00:29:16,079 --> 00:29:17,839
know that the current. You know, I think when you

594
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,359
whenever you hear the word ball, I think that's that's ball.

595
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,440
You know, that's a lie that's immediately not true.

596
00:29:23,759 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, just like the what do they spring us with

597
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,680
barium and aluminum and you put the symbols together, you get.

598
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:32,319
Speaker 1: Ball, yes, sir, yeah, yeah. And another interesting thing I

599
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,599
learned that that an older guy when when I was

600
00:29:34,599 --> 00:29:37,079
a prison an older guys taught me, when you talk

601
00:29:37,119 --> 00:29:41,079
about cells, it's they're they're using you as power. They're

602
00:29:41,359 --> 00:29:44,920
they're basically draining your The way cell is constructive. Let

603
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,519
me say that's right. The way cells are constructed with

604
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:51,039
the metal, it's almost like they're taking the electricity inside

605
00:29:51,039 --> 00:29:53,440
of you and harnessing it in some way. Now, I

606
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:55,119
don't know if that's a hundreds true or not, but

607
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,160
I heard heard that from a couple of people. You know.

608
00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,039
I think it's like they're almost like draining your positive

609
00:29:59,119 --> 00:30:00,559
energy to make you or negative.

610
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:05,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think there's something to that. You know, that's

611
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:10,079
the reason if you turn on any newscast in the

612
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:13,240
United States at eleven o'clock at night, ninety percent of

613
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:17,319
that thirty minute program is negative news. You know, you'll

614
00:30:17,319 --> 00:30:19,799
get ninety seconds of sports and your local sports hero

615
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,559
saved the day with a late three pointer, But the

616
00:30:22,599 --> 00:30:25,920
rest of it is fear mongering. It goes back to

617
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:27,839
why there was a TV in every room back in

618
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:31,319
the eighties. When the Challenger blew up, everybody watched the

619
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:35,599
towers fall right They didn't fall right away, they waited

620
00:30:35,759 --> 00:30:38,200
an hour or however long it was, so everybody could

621
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,319
get in front of the TV and witness that horror.

622
00:30:40,839 --> 00:30:45,160
And I don't know whether it's actually harvesting energy or

623
00:30:45,319 --> 00:30:51,680
just keeping us, you know, just mentally beat down. So

624
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:55,039
anytime that there is a problem, we don't look to God.

625
00:30:55,119 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 5: We look to the government.

626
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean definitely. And I remember I was

627
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:04,559
I think about maybe seven when when the trade hours

628
00:31:04,559 --> 00:31:05,720
came down, and I remember I was on a s

629
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,440
Fiel trip in Baltimore. I remember, you know, people thought

630
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,000
we were getting invaded, like like people thought, you know,

631
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,799
the United States is being invaded, and you know, people

632
00:31:13,839 --> 00:31:16,480
were freaking out and people were I remember like cars,

633
00:31:16,519 --> 00:31:18,559
just car accidents happening, like people were just hitting each other.

634
00:31:18,599 --> 00:31:21,680
They were so afraid of whatever was happening. The cars

635
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:26,000
were hitting each other. Yeah, that's pretty pretty.

636
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 4: It is something that, you know, what was really a

637
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:33,079
turning point because before them, anytime there was a major incident,

638
00:31:33,599 --> 00:31:36,519
it was just years and years between these major incidents.

639
00:31:36,559 --> 00:31:38,759
And if you look back over the last twenty five years,

640
00:31:38,799 --> 00:31:41,160
how many psyops have happened.

641
00:31:41,319 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 5: It's it's it's.

642
00:31:42,319 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 4: Really mind blowing how fast that they're accelerating the timeline.

643
00:31:45,759 --> 00:31:49,119
Speaker 1: It seems like, Yeah, I think I think nine to

644
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:52,279
eleven was really a, you know, a turning point. I

645
00:31:52,279 --> 00:31:55,119
think when when Bill Cooper said on his radio thing

646
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,279
that this today is a day freedom dies, you know,

647
00:31:57,279 --> 00:31:59,799
I think there's definitely something about that. I think Trump

648
00:31:59,799 --> 00:32:02,400
would forty five and forty seven, I think he's kind

649
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:03,640
of the end of the cycle, like if nine to

650
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:06,200
eleven was the beginning of it, he's, you know, the

651
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,200
one who's gonna do to bring an end to everything.

652
00:32:08,359 --> 00:32:10,599
I you know, I think, whether it's good or bad,

653
00:32:10,599 --> 00:32:12,640
I think I think our system is probably going to

654
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:14,240
go down during his presidency.

655
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean he was president forty five and forty seven.

656
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:21,160
That equals nine to eleven. Right, yeah, yep, Yes, there's

657
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:25,440
a clip somewhere. I've got to find where, man. I

658
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:27,720
think it was within the last year he said he

659
00:32:27,799 --> 00:32:30,160
actually said that he's going to be the last president

660
00:32:30,759 --> 00:32:32,920
in a matter of words. I don't know if you remember.

661
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 1: That or not. Yeah, I do. And have you ever

662
00:32:35,519 --> 00:32:37,359
read so I actually went when it was going around.

663
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:38,880
I think it was right when he first got elected.

664
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,960
Do you remember The Adventures of the Amazing Adventures of

665
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:42,640
Baron Trump.

666
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, that was my very first or my second podcast

667
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:47,799
I ever did. Like that. I had that guy on.

668
00:32:49,319 --> 00:32:51,279
Speaker 1: That actually might have been how I found your podcast.

669
00:32:51,279 --> 00:32:52,519
I might by looking that.

670
00:32:52,519 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 5: Up Yer Lockwood.

671
00:32:54,039 --> 00:32:57,039
Speaker 1: Right, Sorry, what are you saying?

672
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 5: The author was inger soul Lockwood.

673
00:33:00,359 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's correct. Yeah. They were very popular kids books

674
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,759
back in the eighteen eighties eighteen nineties. Yeah, I actually

675
00:33:06,119 --> 00:33:08,279
have a question for you, because you live not that far.

676
00:33:09,119 --> 00:33:12,039
Did you notice, like so, the drones were a big

677
00:33:12,079 --> 00:33:14,359
thing for a couple while and then they haven't been

678
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:17,240
in last night I noticed I saw I'd drive like

679
00:33:17,279 --> 00:33:20,559
delivery work over night sometimes and I saw about twenty

680
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,720
drones above, you know, while I was driving last night. Really,

681
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:26,720
have you been seeing a lot of them? Do you

682
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:27,440
see a lot of them?

683
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:29,599
Speaker 5: Not often?

684
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:33,119
Speaker 4: But it is interesting because I interviewed a gentleman last

685
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:36,119
week who lives in New Jersey in that area where

686
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:40,039
it was happening, and one of the nights he sat

687
00:33:40,079 --> 00:33:41,920
there and watched them and he said they were much

688
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:45,799
bigger than you would expect. But the one interesting thing is,

689
00:33:45,839 --> 00:33:48,799
and this is more proved to how fast they're moving

690
00:33:48,839 --> 00:33:51,799
the cycle. When was the last time anybody talked about

691
00:33:51,799 --> 00:33:52,319
the drones?

692
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:55,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's great, And I think, what's wild? Are you

693
00:33:55,359 --> 00:33:57,000
always hear on the news in New Jersey? And I

694
00:33:57,039 --> 00:33:59,519
live in Maryland. I live about forty five minutes worth

695
00:33:59,519 --> 00:34:03,880
of Baltimore, And I mean we see hundreds of drugs.

696
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:06,359
There's drones, ever, and they never talked about there's there's drones.

697
00:34:06,599 --> 00:34:09,159
I've seen the drone, you know, fifteen feet above you know,

698
00:34:09,159 --> 00:34:11,079
above a car where you can almost make out, you know,

699
00:34:11,159 --> 00:34:13,400
the mechanical aspects of it.

700
00:34:14,559 --> 00:34:15,199
Speaker 5: That's insane.

701
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 4: Now you live by Aberdeen Proving Grounds, but that's where

702
00:34:19,039 --> 00:34:19,440
I grew up.

703
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,119
Speaker 1: Now, right right now, I live in If you nowhere Jared'sville, Melon,

704
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:23,800
is that it's kind of like near the PA and

705
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:24,280
his line.

706
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 5: Oh okay, yeah I do.

707
00:34:25,599 --> 00:34:28,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you're not as far out as like Fort Made,

708
00:34:28,599 --> 00:34:29,800
but you're more to the east.

709
00:34:29,599 --> 00:34:34,400
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, yeah, that's correct, Okay, correct, gotcha. And I

710
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:37,599
know it's interesting like in my mom lives in Baltimore City.

711
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:41,280
She lives like right near the northern border of Baltimore City,

712
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,039
and you very rarely see drones in Baltimore City. But

713
00:34:44,079 --> 00:34:46,239
where I live, as more country place, I see drones

714
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:48,039
all the time. I mean when it was really big,

715
00:34:48,079 --> 00:34:49,559
I was seeing five and six a night.

716
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,039
Speaker 4: And that's another big story everybody has forgotten. My daughter

717
00:34:53,159 --> 00:34:57,559
lives in Baltimore City, and she watched when that boat

718
00:34:57,639 --> 00:34:58,719
hit the bridge.

719
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:00,559
Speaker 5: She heard it, Oh my god.

720
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 4: She heard all the you know, the first responders, the

721
00:35:04,119 --> 00:35:07,239
sirens and and once again that's just that that's a

722
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:08,360
hundred syops ago.

723
00:35:09,679 --> 00:35:12,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's wild, and it's as far as a

724
00:35:12,559 --> 00:35:16,239
person who commutsa I drive, I do delivery driving. That

725
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,599
bridge has totally crippled. It's it's very hard to go

726
00:35:19,639 --> 00:35:22,880
into the southern parts of Baltimore. It has totally changed

727
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,519
the driving patterns. And if you were to like have

728
00:35:25,599 --> 00:35:28,280
an attack on Baltimore or have an attack on the Annapolis,

729
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:30,760
that would be a major that would totally change the

730
00:35:31,039 --> 00:35:32,119
ability to respond to.

731
00:35:32,079 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 4: That absolutely one percent. Now, you had mentioned in one

732
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:39,760
of your emails. Obviously we already talked about the connection

733
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:45,159
the kids to cash and your experience there. But was

734
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:48,239
is there a particular book or or something that you

735
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:51,559
have researched before that that kind of connects the dots

736
00:35:51,559 --> 00:35:57,719
between uh, you know, the Hidden Hand, Illuminati, Freemasonry, to

737
00:35:58,119 --> 00:36:01,480
the criminal elements and maybe in between like their connections

738
00:36:01,559 --> 00:36:02,960
maybe to gangs, et cetera.

739
00:36:04,559 --> 00:36:06,559
Speaker 1: So I'm not sure if it's a particular book, but

740
00:36:06,639 --> 00:36:09,599
I I when when I actually when I was in prison,

741
00:36:10,079 --> 00:36:12,559
I was always a person luckily, and I never really

742
00:36:12,559 --> 00:36:13,480
got involved in gangs.

743
00:36:13,559 --> 00:36:13,760
Speaker 5: I was.

744
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 1: I was able to navigate my way around that, but

745
00:36:16,639 --> 00:36:19,400
I remember starting to look at the symbology. And you know,

746
00:36:20,079 --> 00:36:21,559
in prison, there's a ton of people who I was

747
00:36:21,599 --> 00:36:24,320
there almost like conspiracy scholars. There are a lot of

748
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:26,599
the live resistance actually pretty good. It's one of the

749
00:36:26,639 --> 00:36:28,519
few good things. And you have a lot of you know,

750
00:36:28,559 --> 00:36:30,519
guys that have a life sentences that are never going

751
00:36:30,599 --> 00:36:32,519
to get out, that are you know, just spending the

752
00:36:32,599 --> 00:36:35,239
time researching, spending the time you know, I mean reading

753
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:37,360
you know, tragedy and hope or reading you know whatever,

754
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:42,000
and symbolically if you start thinking about different gangs. So

755
00:36:42,199 --> 00:36:44,000
one of the things that that that I first start

756
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,199
the Crypts and the Bloods. Okay, if you look at

757
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:49,920
how that started and actually is there's a there's a

758
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:54,159
standard research interview paper on gang warfare that I could

759
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:56,039
not find. I was trying to find for this interview

760
00:36:56,079 --> 00:36:57,960
and I could not. I looked on the wayback machine

761
00:36:58,039 --> 00:37:00,400
and I could not find it. But they they were

762
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:04,159
in the fifties researching how gang warfare and violent criminal

763
00:37:04,199 --> 00:37:07,960
gangs He stabilized neighborhoods, and they were saying they were

764
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,159
going to run experiments of it, and the Crisson the

765
00:37:10,159 --> 00:37:13,239
Bloods were basically found it as like neighborhood watches in

766
00:37:13,679 --> 00:37:17,320
LA to protect, like you know, protect black residents from

767
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,719
like racist mobs. And there was I think like like

768
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,639
not just necessarily lynch mobs, but there was a there

769
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:25,119
was black neighborhoods were geting encroached on my weight and

770
00:37:25,159 --> 00:37:27,440
there was some some some issues, and so the christ

771
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:29,920
and the Bloods were founded as like neighbor watch organizations.

772
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,320
And one day they were they had an issue with

773
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:34,800
each other. They want to fight, and a guy that

774
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,760
no one had ever seen seen showed up and shot

775
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:39,159
I think three or four people and killed them. And

776
00:37:39,159 --> 00:37:41,400
they would always fight with fists, and that essentially that

777
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:43,800
one incident there was a guy no one has ever

778
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:44,599
really identified.

779
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:48,320
Speaker 6: That one incident started that whole gang war. And if

780
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:50,320
you look at the symbology of them, like the way

781
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:53,760
they fold their bandanas is an upside down pyramid. They

782
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:55,639
have a star, they have the star of Men's van.

783
00:37:55,599 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 1: Bosa of the music, which is is a weird thing,

784
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,360
like I don't know why they use that. If you

785
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:01,840
look at all gangs, like you can almost trace the

786
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,760
symbology of every gang to a secret society. So like

787
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:08,719
in Chicago you have the gangster Disciples and the black gangsters.

788
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,639
Their symbology is just is just you know, Israelite. It's ah,

789
00:38:12,079 --> 00:38:15,320
you knows the star of rem fam. You've got the

790
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,480
Latin Kings, You've got basically a three and a four.

791
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,599
The way their crown is set up, it's like the

792
00:38:21,599 --> 00:38:23,599
symbol of Swiss Freemason. And you can look at the

793
00:38:23,599 --> 00:38:28,159
Swiss Freemason logo. If you look at the Aryan Brotherhood,

794
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:34,000
their symbol is the it's the swastika onside a clover,

795
00:38:34,559 --> 00:38:37,039
which is a really really odd, odd symbol. But but

796
00:38:37,119 --> 00:38:40,559
they actually most of the sounding members of the Arian

797
00:38:40,559 --> 00:38:44,320
Brothers were people that were involved in Operations SCENICX in Vietnam.

798
00:38:44,599 --> 00:38:46,920
Like essentially they were guys who you know, were like

799
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,599
serial killers over there being for the US army and

800
00:38:49,639 --> 00:38:52,960
then couldn't handle it, came back and I mean they

801
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:55,039
basically run a criminal empire out of prison, Like how

802
00:38:55,079 --> 00:38:57,320
does a how does a guy that's in twenty three

803
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:00,480
and one lock up run a street gang was selling

804
00:39:00,519 --> 00:39:03,639
drugs without you know, some kind of government assistance. So

805
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,559
it's just kind of stuff I've I've put together on

806
00:39:06,559 --> 00:39:08,880
my own, you know, based on a symbology. Is every

807
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:12,199
single gang that I've that I've been able to see.

808
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:14,599
You know, their symbology is secret siding symbology.

809
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:17,760
Speaker 4: And what was the name of that operation You broke

810
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:19,239
up just a little bit when you were mentioning in

811
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:20,519
Vietnam and you said, they come.

812
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:25,760
Speaker 1: Back to the Operation Phoenix. Phoenix, remember, Yeah, Yeah, if

813
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,079
you look at the guys, a lot of these guys

814
00:39:28,119 --> 00:39:30,920
that started the gang were basically members of They were

815
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,719
either part of army intelligence or they were they were

816
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:36,239
in Vietnam, they were part of Operation Phoenix, and it

817
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:39,599
seems like my hypothesis when they came back here, they

818
00:39:39,639 --> 00:39:44,079
brought that violent military you know stuff back to the streets.

819
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:46,599
Speaker 5: Yeah. Absolutely, you know that.

820
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,360
Speaker 4: You know, that's something when I when I do a podcast,

821
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:52,760
you know, usually a lot sixty to ninety minutes and

822
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:56,239
you're talking about some of these conspiracies. You could spend months,

823
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:58,800
every single day and hour a day and never run

824
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:00,480
out of things to talk about. That's how how deep

825
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:03,320
these rabbit holes go. And it's much more than just

826
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:06,000
the physical and monetary.

827
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 5: Attributes to these rabbit holes.

828
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 4: There's very much a spiritual realm to these and like

829
00:40:09,559 --> 00:40:13,599
you said, draining of you know, people's that you know,

830
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:15,039
just to get people to give up.

831
00:40:16,519 --> 00:40:19,320
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, And I think you know, another thing I

832
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:21,639
thought about is so if you think about if you

833
00:40:21,639 --> 00:40:23,400
think about society, you think that like at the top

834
00:40:23,519 --> 00:40:27,719
you've got like Illuminati or these high level royal secret societies.

835
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,800
Then you've got kind of the middle classes like Freemasons

836
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:32,800
or you know, like the Jesuit's just just like the

837
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,440
foot soldiers. But if you think about it, to control everyone,

838
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:36,920
the people that are kind of like that are screw

839
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:38,519
ups that are failures that you know, end up in

840
00:40:38,519 --> 00:40:40,199
prison or end up in gangs and stuff. They don't

841
00:40:40,199 --> 00:40:41,800
want to control them too. And I think gangs are

842
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:44,320
a way to get the people basically make the people

843
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:46,119
Freemasons that.

844
00:40:46,159 --> 00:40:49,280
Speaker 5: Wouldn't be to be Freemasons, you know what I mean absolutely,

845
00:40:50,559 --> 00:40:53,800
And you know, if you want to make it to

846
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:55,679
the top of the club, there's two ways.

847
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:58,599
Speaker 4: Either one you're part of the family, which you know

848
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:02,360
has its gang reference is right, you hear it. You're

849
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:04,800
you're part of the family, and that's very much what

850
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,719
uh you know when you get into them rate Freemason

851
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:12,400
and the Illuminati is through bloodlines. Like Fritz Sprungmeyer, you

852
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:15,400
know explains in his bloodlines of the Illuminati. But the

853
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:19,440
other way is sacrifice. And you look at many of

854
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,400
the people at the top, if you read their backstories,

855
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,000
they lose a mother, they lose a son, they lose

856
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:29,480
a sister. You can't get in without the sacrifice.

857
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:33,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then you know, another another aspect, I forg

858
00:41:33,679 --> 00:41:37,840
have to mention. My family is like, let's say, loosely

859
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:39,400
related to one of the one of the five families

860
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:42,079
in New York. We have like the mafia element. I'm

861
00:41:42,079 --> 00:41:45,280
from Sicily, like the Italian My family is from Sicily.

862
00:41:45,639 --> 00:41:47,400
And if you look at the history of the Mafia,

863
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:49,719
the original Mafi that came over here was called the

864
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:53,360
Black Hand, the symbol with a black hand. And the

865
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:56,079
guy that started in the in the official story, the

866
00:41:56,079 --> 00:41:59,199
pasty that started World War One, the Serbian guy that

867
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:03,119
killed Archduke Franz Ferdinand. The organization he was part of

868
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:06,639
was the Black Hand. He was essentially a Serbian offshoot

869
00:42:06,639 --> 00:42:09,039
of the Mafia, which is I think something that no

870
00:42:09,119 --> 00:42:14,480
one I've never heard him and talk about that. Yeah, yep, yeah,

871
00:42:14,559 --> 00:42:17,159
so you know, and and and the Mafia was basically

872
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:20,559
in the let's say the forties, like we're a little

873
00:42:20,559 --> 00:42:23,920
before World War Two. The the what they're called the

874
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:26,599
Black Hand, which is the Italian from Italy part of

875
00:42:26,599 --> 00:42:29,280
the mafia. They were all killed off and taken over

876
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:33,639
by Lucky Luciano and Mayer Lansky. And I mean essentially

877
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,519
the mafia is essentially ran at the top by Jewish people,

878
00:42:36,519 --> 00:42:39,119
which is something that is not really you know, I

879
00:42:39,159 --> 00:42:41,199
think talked about it or whatever, and they're kind of

880
00:42:41,039 --> 00:42:43,679
the with the funding mechanism to get Israel was a

881
00:42:43,679 --> 00:42:46,000
big fundingism mechanism to get Israel founder.

882
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know that is something that I need

883
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:52,599
to do a podcast on because, uh, if you look

884
00:42:52,599 --> 00:42:57,719
at the Black Hand and their establishment whatever it's called

885
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:00,719
unification or death, that that all that was just it

886
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:04,159
was organized just three years and again may you know

887
00:43:04,199 --> 00:43:07,360
the Illuminati was formed May first, seventeen seventy six.

888
00:43:08,079 --> 00:43:09,079
Speaker 5: And you know.

889
00:43:09,079 --> 00:43:12,280
Speaker 4: This, this group was formed just three years prior to

890
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:16,079
the assassination of Archie Duke Ferdinand, which of course played

891
00:43:16,159 --> 00:43:18,519
a large part in what they tell us is the

892
00:43:18,679 --> 00:43:20,239
you know, World War One kicking off.

893
00:43:21,599 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And and you know, I mean Italy, which

894
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:28,199
is you know where the Massia was Italy. The modern

895
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:33,199
Italy is so free, so dominated by Freemasonry, when Mussolini

896
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:35,519
was was taking over. He was trying to get rid

897
00:43:35,559 --> 00:43:38,519
of a group called the Charbonari, which was the group

898
00:43:38,559 --> 00:43:42,079
that basically was the secret society that founded Unified Italy,

899
00:43:42,599 --> 00:43:44,760
and he wasn't able to he was he was basically

900
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:48,199
told like, you know, I know your your ideals don't

901
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:50,199
don't line up with this, but you got to stuck

902
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:53,559
it up. And you know, I mean, I think a

903
00:43:53,559 --> 00:43:56,000
lot of our modern society is the secret scieties are

904
00:43:56,119 --> 00:43:59,400
so baked into it set you almost can't separate, you know,

905
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:01,199
you can you can't separate.

906
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:03,400
Speaker 5: From it, Yeah, one hundred percent.

907
00:44:03,599 --> 00:44:06,880
Speaker 4: And the other thing that you mentioned, and I guess

908
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:10,079
we could kind of segue into it is twofold. The

909
00:44:10,159 --> 00:44:12,519
importance and I actually asked this to my guest yesterday,

910
00:44:13,599 --> 00:44:16,960
was how do we do a better job of having

911
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:20,599
the foresight to ensure that our children, grandchildren and their

912
00:44:20,639 --> 00:44:27,840
grandchildren understand true history, right because our grandparents, like yours,

913
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:30,440
fault in World War Two, like mine did, and they

914
00:44:30,519 --> 00:44:34,519
were tricked to believe a certain agenda. And then you

915
00:44:34,599 --> 00:44:37,960
find out things like Pearl Harbor were known about weeks

916
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:41,880
ahead of time, and Vietnam later, Golf of Tonkin. How

917
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:47,320
can we ensure that our children and grandchildren are passed

918
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:52,400
down this knowledge, not just from our voices. Because listen,

919
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:54,800
when you're young, how many times did my dad try

920
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:58,000
to tell me something. I'm like, yeah, because when you're fourteen, fifteen, sixteen,

921
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,880
you know everything, you have all the answers, right, how

922
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:03,360
do we preserve this is this true history and pass

923
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:03,800
it down?

924
00:45:05,679 --> 00:45:08,039
Speaker 1: You know, I think I think writing it down is important,

925
00:45:08,119 --> 00:45:11,000
you know, recording it digitally, you know, I was thinking

926
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:14,039
that a day something in a I think it was

927
00:45:14,079 --> 00:45:17,119
the Assyrians when they when mine it was burned down,

928
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:20,119
they wrote all of their stuff on the tablets. And

929
00:45:20,199 --> 00:45:22,119
so when the city burned down when they were I

930
00:45:22,159 --> 00:45:23,800
think it was the Babylonians were trying to burn it

931
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:26,360
out of existence, it actually baked the tablet. And so

932
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:29,760
in nineteen twelve or nineteen thirteen, when they found that

933
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:31,960
city they were able to read all the history was

934
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:35,119
still there. And I think, you know, would be recording

935
00:45:35,159 --> 00:45:38,599
in such a way that it's impossible to destroy, you know,

936
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:42,119
because I think the Internet is amazing, but one day

937
00:45:42,159 --> 00:45:43,800
somebody will pull a plug on the Internet and all

938
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:46,320
of this what we're what we're doing right now, and

939
00:45:46,679 --> 00:45:49,079
you know, all the videos and all the things the

940
00:45:49,119 --> 00:45:50,519
Internet are going to be gone, so I think it

941
00:45:50,519 --> 00:45:53,199
would be it would be writing something down in a

942
00:45:53,199 --> 00:45:55,159
way that will last attest the time.

943
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:59,199
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a great point. And you also mentioned in

944
00:45:59,199 --> 00:46:02,840
one of your emails else and this doesn't get talked

945
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:06,000
about much either, back in nineteen oh two, turn of

946
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:08,039
the century, and again it's amazing how much the world

947
00:46:08,079 --> 00:46:11,039
changed between eighteen seventy one and nineteen thirteen.

948
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:13,880
Speaker 5: But it's known that in nineteen oh.

949
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 4: Two, how the Carnegie Foundation, the Carnegie Libraries, they replaced

950
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:22,320
all those books and they were replaced or let's say,

951
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:26,480
rewritten or edited by all the Carnegie nonprofits. And if

952
00:46:26,519 --> 00:46:28,519
you look at by the way, if you take the time,

953
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:32,159
go to Google, put in Carnegie Foundation nine ninety. They

954
00:46:32,199 --> 00:46:34,159
are one of the wealthiest in the world.

955
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I believe it. Yeah, that the free library

956
00:46:38,559 --> 00:46:40,480
there was nineteen oh two, they put all the Carnegie

957
00:46:40,519 --> 00:46:43,199
free libraries everywhere. That was I think an early and

958
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:47,239
very effective FIOUF because I think they changed history alive.

959
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:50,199
I mean, excuse me. They if you look at if

960
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:52,519
you read old books, you know from I don't know,

961
00:46:52,559 --> 00:46:57,039
eighteen fifty eighteen sixties, eighteen seventies. History has just changed

962
00:46:57,079 --> 00:46:58,800
so much. I mean, if you read, if you read

963
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:00,920
all books, they say like, oh, draftagons are rare, They're

964
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:02,880
not that many dragons left in the world, you know,

965
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:04,880
and that was that was not that long. You know.

966
00:47:05,079 --> 00:47:06,840
So many of the things we think are just like

967
00:47:07,119 --> 00:47:11,880
copy cock, just you know, ludicrous people one hundred thought

968
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:14,239
were real, you know. And I think that that turn

969
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:16,840
of the century that you know, post Civil War period,

970
00:47:17,639 --> 00:47:20,800
there was a huge, a huge knowledge reset and that

971
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:23,440
you know, the way science kind of tried to get

972
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:26,639
God out of science, you know, because early scientists were

973
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:30,719
working like it was a collaboration. They were they were theological,

974
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:33,199
they were scientists, they did it all together. And then

975
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:35,360
all of a sudden there was a you know, Darwinism

976
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:37,559
that that period where you're trying to kind of make

977
00:47:37,599 --> 00:47:40,440
everything you know, factual and get rid of the belief,

978
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:44,400
get rid of the supernatural part of tough things. You know.

979
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:46,480
It did it did it change really quick. And I

980
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:49,000
mean I had I had My great grandfather is from

981
00:47:49,119 --> 00:47:52,320
uh was from Pennsylvania, and he wrote down, rode down

982
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:54,519
the Susquehanna River on a lull to work on the

983
00:47:54,599 --> 00:47:57,760
Susqualhanna Dam and that was, you know, like a hundred

984
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:00,079
years ago. So that's how my scientists came. You know,

985
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:01,559
you don't see people riding down.

986
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:04,599
Speaker 4: The river on a log I don't want to need No,

987
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:08,239
you certainly don't. But you know, life was much simpler

988
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:10,760
back then as well. There's something to say about uh

989
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:13,960
while things were a little more difficult, but it was

990
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:16,719
simpler and there wasn't the complexities of the things that

991
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:17,920
we have to deal with today.

992
00:48:19,639 --> 00:48:21,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. I think technology is kind of like

993
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:24,159
a poison pill. There's a lot of good with it,

994
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:27,119
but I think not I think the good or the

995
00:48:27,159 --> 00:48:29,440
bad that weighs the good. But I think it's a

996
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:32,360
lot of control whenevery you know, anything that is a

997
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:34,559
smart that is the word smarter than I think it is,

998
00:48:34,599 --> 00:48:37,039
like surveillance, you know, I think I think we're just

999
00:48:37,119 --> 00:48:40,760
so surveilled now and we're so controlled, I think, you know,

1000
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:44,000
I mean, I remember, like as a kid ground I

1001
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:46,320
didn't have a cell phone, you know, and people five

1002
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:48,320
years younger than me don't know that, you know. I

1003
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:51,639
was like the last generation of people that got grew

1004
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:54,320
up you know, in an analog world. And I think

1005
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:56,800
you know, the people like my son's age, the young

1006
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:59,119
kids growing up now, I think it will be hard

1007
00:48:59,159 --> 00:49:01,559
for them to try to break free because they were

1008
00:49:01,599 --> 00:49:03,679
born into it. You know. I think it's like it's

1009
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:05,920
like they're almost in the matrix, you know, in a way.

1010
00:49:07,159 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 4: That's a great point by the way, you know, speaking

1011
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:14,000
of them trying to get away from certain things. You know,

1012
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:18,000
this agenda the American Humanist Association, if that's a rabbit

1013
00:49:18,039 --> 00:49:20,920
hole that you haven't gone down, everyone should really check

1014
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:22,719
it out, because once again, this is one of those

1015
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:25,599
things that came about in the nineteen forties and their

1016
00:49:25,639 --> 00:49:30,000
slogan is good without a God, and you know, and

1017
00:49:30,039 --> 00:49:32,360
it's it's the same line of people like you know,

1018
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:36,039
Elon Musk and his family come from the Bill Gates people.

1019
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:39,280
You know, they're a large nonprofit, not as big as

1020
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:41,840
the Carnegie Corporation, which I just pulled up their nine

1021
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:46,360
to ninety. They pull over four billion dollars. Imagine how

1022
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:50,480
much power and control that you have with four and

1023
00:49:50,519 --> 00:49:54,280
that's just one. The Printzkers have over sixty nonprofits.

1024
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:57,119
Speaker 5: This is one. So and this is what we're up against.

1025
00:49:57,119 --> 00:49:59,840
Speaker 4: The loopholes where if you don't report your six hundred

1026
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:01,719
dollars or eBay sale, they're going to come get you.

1027
00:50:02,199 --> 00:50:04,360
But the elites they get away with all this mess

1028
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:07,400
by having nonprofits and they don't have to pay taxes

1029
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:07,960
on anything.

1030
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, and I think it's it's it's what's

1031
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:14,960
really interesting right now, the DOGE situation, the Department of

1032
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:18,199
Government offiency, what Elana is doing. I think it's a

1033
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:20,280
good thing. You know that you're auditing it. But I

1034
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:23,199
think that video I sent you of Norman Dodd, I

1035
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:25,400
think it was called the Reef the Recee Commission of

1036
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:28,280
the Reef Report. That was like the same thing, but

1037
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:30,440
it was done within the balance of the Constitution. And

1038
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:33,519
I think what is happening now. Yet, maybe it's a

1039
00:50:33,519 --> 00:50:35,840
good thing, and maybe some people we get exposed, but

1040
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:38,440
it's it's it's basically bringing in fascism. It's bringing in

1041
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:41,599
you know, it's it's saying the end justifies the me.

1042
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:44,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you have the same people who were saying

1043
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:48,119
three years ago, four years ago that we didn't elect

1044
00:50:48,119 --> 00:50:52,039
Bill Gates, uh, we didn't elect doctor Fauci. Well, now

1045
00:50:52,039 --> 00:50:54,159
you have the same thing going on with Elon Musk.

1046
00:50:54,639 --> 00:50:57,480
So you know, let's put it across nobody elected him.

1047
00:50:57,960 --> 00:50:59,599
And oh, by the way, there was a story that

1048
00:50:59,639 --> 00:51:02,880
came out yesterday where the government is putting up five

1049
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:05,480
hundred million dollars to buy Tesla's.

1050
00:51:05,639 --> 00:51:09,079
Speaker 5: So it's just it's the same old song and dance.

1051
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:13,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's crazy, man. And I think, you know,

1052
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:17,800
with Elon Musk if he was if let's say Kamala

1053
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:20,599
had one, I don't think anyone would have tolerated what's

1054
00:51:20,599 --> 00:51:24,880
happening if who was coming from a democratic president precisely. Yeah, yeah,

1055
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:26,639
I think the way they're doing it, it's like it's

1056
00:51:26,679 --> 00:51:29,719
a way to get the true I don't understand personally.

1057
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:31,199
I know a lot of you know, you see a

1058
00:51:31,199 --> 00:51:33,840
lot of a lot of Christian people are conservative, you know,

1059
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:36,679
family value of people that support Elon. I mean, I

1060
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:39,159
don't know, how can you this guy says he wants

1061
00:51:39,199 --> 00:51:42,440
to arrange it like his family or generational things. They

1062
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:44,960
don't even hide it. You know, how can how can

1063
00:51:45,119 --> 00:51:46,519
just because he does them and you like, how can

1064
00:51:46,559 --> 00:51:48,159
you possibly support him? You know?

1065
00:51:50,159 --> 00:51:52,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, just because they have a D or an R

1066
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:54,360
at the end of their name, that that's who you

1067
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:54,920
cheer for.

1068
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:59,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's it's wild there's a I'm not sure

1069
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:01,079
if you've ever heard of the name. There's a guy

1070
00:52:01,159 --> 00:52:05,599
named doctor Sean Cross h R. O. S. S. Who

1071
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:07,400
was a I think he was a thirty third or

1072
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:11,800
thirty second degree freemason in Switzerland and he kind of

1073
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:13,559
like blew that open and he was I think he

1074
00:52:13,599 --> 00:52:16,440
spent about twenty years at prison in Switzerland and was

1075
00:52:16,599 --> 00:52:20,039
almost assassinated a couple of times, but he went into

1076
00:52:20,079 --> 00:52:21,880
like the geniality a lot of people. And Elon of

1077
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:25,079
his family is originally in Switzerland and they're like the

1078
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:27,400
I think they go back as far as the Rowan Empire.

1079
00:52:27,119 --> 00:52:30,119
Speaker 5: So they're probably descendants of the knights at the Templar.

1080
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:33,840
Speaker 1: Yes, sir, yeah, definitely yeah. And you know, and Switzerland

1081
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:35,800
is another whole thing that I think people don't realize.

1082
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:38,559
I mean, Switzerland is one of the most powerful countries.

1083
00:52:38,599 --> 00:52:40,880
I think a lot of people get focused on on Israel,

1084
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:44,159
you know, And and there's more Swiss school citizens in

1085
00:52:44,199 --> 00:52:45,559
the United States than there are ISRAELI.

1086
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, I believe it is one of the heads of

1087
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:49,280
the snake without a doubt.

1088
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 1: Definitely, yes, sir, yeah, yeah, I mean I think you know,

1089
00:52:54,039 --> 00:52:55,840
you just if you look at World War two, and

1090
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:57,679
you look at what was going on in Switzerland during

1091
00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:00,000
World War two. That is where all the actions going,

1092
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:04,639
you know, ye, yeah, I mean that's where That's where

1093
00:53:04,679 --> 00:53:08,400
Alan Dulles was, That's where Joseph Kennedy was, That's where

1094
00:53:09,679 --> 00:53:11,239
you know a lot of a lot of the Nazis

1095
00:53:11,199 --> 00:53:13,679
who survived. You know, I think, I don't know if

1096
00:53:13,679 --> 00:53:15,679
you've ever done it, done a deep dive but into

1097
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:18,920
the Nuremberg trials or the end of the World War Two.

1098
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:21,679
But you know, all the people that were really doing

1099
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:23,559
all the terrible things to hear about the Nazis, all

1100
00:53:23,559 --> 00:53:26,320
the people that did that didn't go weren't a Nurreinberg. No,

1101
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:29,119
No one when that was committing serious wartimes was a Nuremberg.

1102
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:30,559
They all seem to survive.

1103
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:34,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's funny they used the word war crimes,

1104
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:37,280
but there are war crimes on both sides in every

1105
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:37,800
single war.

1106
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:41,800
Speaker 1: Oh yeah that but but but like at Nuremberg, they

1107
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:43,480
had the military leaders.

1108
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:48,079
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, No politician will ever truly go after

1109
00:53:48,119 --> 00:53:51,639
another politician of any country. You'll never tell me the

1110
00:53:51,679 --> 00:53:55,320
last time you saw a major politician get hauled away

1111
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:56,800
in handcuffs.

1112
00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:00,639
Speaker 1: I would say it was.

1113
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:05,880
Speaker 5: The from Bosnia. Oh yeah, yeah, you're right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, or.

1114
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:09,559
Speaker 1: Yeah or or yeah yeah Gadafi too, Getafi I killed.

1115
00:54:09,599 --> 00:54:10,199
But for the.

1116
00:54:10,119 --> 00:54:12,719
Speaker 4: Most part those people are useless stooges or be like

1117
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:15,480
you said with Gaddafi, they crossed the bankers and that

1118
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:16,840
that's a death notice right there.

1119
00:54:18,079 --> 00:54:22,039
Speaker 1: Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. When when when you were in Iraq,

1120
00:54:22,159 --> 00:54:24,679
did you did you see any of like the gold

1121
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:26,639
or did you see any of the stuff that Saddam

1122
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:28,599
Because I know there's a lot of rumors that that

1123
00:54:28,679 --> 00:54:32,519
Saddam had like some uh Samerian artifacts or something like that,

1124
00:54:32,599 --> 00:54:34,559
and that was part of what they were trying to

1125
00:54:34,559 --> 00:54:34,960
go after.

1126
00:54:35,159 --> 00:54:36,880
Speaker 4: So the coolest thing I got to see in Iraq

1127
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:40,800
was the czigarette of her and you know, it's yeah,

1128
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:44,400
that was awesome. I was in one of his palaces

1129
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:47,800
in Iraq, and and it's very mind blowing because when

1130
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:50,159
you first crossed the Berm from Kuwait and Iraq, I

1131
00:54:50,199 --> 00:54:52,800
mean you have people living when you talk about extreme poverty,

1132
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:56,800
uh many people walking around no clothes, literally living in

1133
00:54:56,880 --> 00:55:00,159
huts with mud and straw. And then you know, you

1134
00:55:00,199 --> 00:55:02,719
get into Basra and you see what's going on there.

1135
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:05,960
It's but you know it's very quick for us to judge.

1136
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:08,159
But you drive through the United States and within an

1137
00:55:08,199 --> 00:55:09,000
hour you could be.

1138
00:55:10,519 --> 00:55:11,039
Speaker 5: You know, in a.

1139
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:13,840
Speaker 4: Place with mansions, then in a trailer park, and then

1140
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:16,239
in Section eight housing, all within an hour as well.

1141
00:55:18,039 --> 00:55:21,360
And then you know, we have these things that most

1142
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:24,480
other countries don't have, which we're going back full circle

1143
00:55:24,519 --> 00:55:28,840
here is the prison industrial complex and the guys of

1144
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:31,320
freedom that we are ruled under. One thing I wanted

1145
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:33,880
to mention before I forget, we're almost out of time here,

1146
00:55:34,119 --> 00:55:37,559
but you mentioned Switzerland, and if you go back and

1147
00:55:37,559 --> 00:55:39,840
look at many of the world leaders, they went to

1148
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:43,119
school there, including the North Korean leader Kim Jong un

1149
00:55:43,119 --> 00:55:45,239
he he went to college there or high school.

1150
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:45,760
Speaker 5: I forget.

1151
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to mention really quick before before we're

1152
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:53,239
out of times, because I think it's something that I've

1153
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:56,679
only heard the guy I was mentioned, doctor Sean Cross.

1154
00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:59,880
There is a Swiss program that I think was this

1155
00:56:00,119 --> 00:56:03,880
maybe Aims, called the Swiss inter racial Breeding Program, and

1156
00:56:04,079 --> 00:56:07,679
essentially it's a program to let's say you have an

1157
00:56:07,679 --> 00:56:11,119
immigrant from Africa and he marries a Swiss woman and

1158
00:56:11,199 --> 00:56:13,400
they have a kid, then they will support the deport

1159
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:16,159
the father so then the kid is encouraged to marry

1160
00:56:16,199 --> 00:56:19,719
another another African person, and essentially, after three generations you

1161
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:22,679
have a person that looks fully African but is Swiss

1162
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:25,599
and most of the world, the leaders at Africa and

1163
00:56:25,639 --> 00:56:28,800
in Asia that is like Kim jong On, that is

1164
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:32,719
their their their genealogy. You're essentially having a person that

1165
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:35,480
on the outside looks like an Asian person or an

1166
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:38,760
African person or a Middle Eastern person, but mentally is

1167
00:56:39,079 --> 00:56:41,159
a is a s is like as an olive arch.

1168
00:56:42,679 --> 00:56:46,679
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's very interesting. And I've tried to pinpoint doctor

1169
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:50,880
Ross before. He's got stuff on Rumbull, He's got stuff

1170
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:52,960
on Bitch Shoot, you know, like I think he did

1171
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:55,599
something called the Empire of Darkness back on on Bitch

1172
00:56:55,599 --> 00:56:57,760
Shoot seven years ago or something like that.

1173
00:56:58,119 --> 00:56:59,519
Speaker 5: But he's got some interesting stuff.

1174
00:56:59,519 --> 00:57:02,199
Speaker 4: The one that I've bookmarked the one on the Internet

1175
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:06,599
archive where he goes and talks about the Knights, Templar

1176
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:09,400
and that rabbit hole, which is very interesting.

1177
00:57:10,679 --> 00:57:13,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's I think a hard guy that he's homeless.

1178
00:57:13,119 --> 00:57:15,679
I think his whole life is destroyed by what he

1179
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:18,599
was talking about. So he is, you know, I think

1180
00:57:18,599 --> 00:57:20,800
his videos get deleted and has always been able to

1181
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:23,519
always able to put them back because I know when

1182
00:57:23,519 --> 00:57:25,440
I first heard about him maybe four or five years ago,

1183
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:27,559
he had a lot more information out there, and a

1184
00:57:27,559 --> 00:57:29,320
lot of his videos have been deleted.

1185
00:57:29,719 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's one of the guys.

1186
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:32,480
Speaker 4: You do have to really go on yandex or one

1187
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:36,519
of these alternate search engines to find but you can

1188
00:57:36,559 --> 00:57:39,280
still find some of his stuff. There's a couple podcasts

1189
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:41,480
out there, there's a couple of videos out there, but

1190
00:57:41,639 --> 00:57:43,039
you've got to do a little bit of work to

1191
00:57:43,079 --> 00:57:43,719
try to find it.

1192
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 5: Last thing I wanted to ask you is.

1193
00:57:45,679 --> 00:57:48,239
Speaker 4: Before we go, I know you mentioned that your love

1194
00:57:48,239 --> 00:57:52,280
for actual physical books. Could you recommend two or three

1195
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:54,599
books to people that they should go on eBay or

1196
00:57:54,639 --> 00:57:58,159
whatever try to find and get the physical copy?

1197
00:57:58,239 --> 00:58:00,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, so, I mean so, I think one of the

1198
00:58:00,239 --> 00:58:03,159
really obvious ones is Behold a Pale Horse, because the

1199
00:58:03,559 --> 00:58:06,119
audible version of that is actually about fifty pages shorter,

1200
00:58:07,079 --> 00:58:10,320
so they I don't haven't gotten audible version, but if

1201
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:12,840
you don't have a first edition copy of that, it's

1202
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:15,320
been I believe it's maybe the Protocols of the Other

1203
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:16,000
than Zion.

1204
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:18,119
Speaker 5: Yeah, chapter chapter fifteen.

1205
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:22,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, so I would say that's a really important

1206
00:58:22,199 --> 00:58:25,360
one to look at. If you could find an original

1207
00:58:26,239 --> 00:58:29,639
version of a Fritz spring Myers Wether of the Illuminati.

1208
00:58:29,679 --> 00:58:32,119
That's another one that's been edited very heavily to where

1209
00:58:32,159 --> 00:58:34,000
like the modern version is not at all the same

1210
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:36,519
as the old one, you know, I would say, and

1211
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:39,199
he's kind of controversial, but I would say a lot

1212
00:58:39,239 --> 00:58:42,039
of David Irving's work, I think he is kind of

1213
00:58:42,079 --> 00:58:46,320
more mainstream, and he's maybe a sympathizer of a German sympithizer.

1214
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:50,039
But his his research is so good, and he doesn't

1215
00:58:50,039 --> 00:58:52,280
always draw a lot of conclusions. I think like he

1216
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:55,079
I think maybe he worries about his own life. He

1217
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:58,440
doesn't go into like secret siety so much. But he

1218
00:58:59,199 --> 00:59:02,440
on his website he's posted a lot of the actual

1219
00:59:02,559 --> 00:59:05,519
journals of like Himmler and Gobels and stuff like that,

1220
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:07,639
and there's just research that he's done that I don't

1221
00:59:07,639 --> 00:59:09,000
think anyone else has done.

1222
00:59:09,199 --> 00:59:11,559
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's one of the truthers on Dresden as.

1223
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:14,400
Speaker 1: Well, Yes, sir, Yeah, that's how he got. He wrote

1224
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:15,880
that book when he was about I think twenty three

1225
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:18,320
or twenty four, which is amazing. I don't know, I

1226
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:19,760
don't know how he's able to do that at such

1227
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:22,679
a young age and let me let's just try to

1228
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:26,320
and okay, Yeah. Another one I would say is Proof

1229
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:31,639
of a Conspiracy by Robinson, Sir was a John Robinson.

1230
00:59:32,119 --> 00:59:35,199
That's the one about the Illuminati from seventeen ninety eight.

1231
00:59:36,639 --> 00:59:40,199
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a great one. And I love books from

1232
00:59:40,239 --> 00:59:43,559
the eighteen hundreds. I wish I had the money, you know,

1233
00:59:43,599 --> 00:59:48,320
I was looking at some Geneva Bibles today from fifteen sixty,

1234
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:51,360
the actual ones, and there was one that was almost

1235
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:55,039
ten thousand dollars, like an actual one from that print

1236
00:59:55,079 --> 00:59:58,199
from fifteen sixty was huge, leather bound, and you know,

1237
00:59:58,239 --> 01:00:01,079
I kind of miss you know, we've the pride and

1238
01:00:01,119 --> 01:00:06,480
the worksmanship of even books of today versus from long

1239
01:00:06,519 --> 01:00:06,960
time ago.

1240
01:00:07,039 --> 01:00:08,199
Speaker 5: It's just incredible.

1241
01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:12,320
Speaker 1: I'm actually the book I'm actually currently reading right now.

1242
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:14,960
I think it was written in eighteen fifty four. It

1243
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:17,119
was written two years before the Caring's an event. So

1244
01:00:17,159 --> 01:00:21,079
it was a book on the on telegraph, on the

1245
01:00:21,119 --> 01:00:25,519
telegraph industry and the shorthand like shorthand telegraphing. And it's

1246
01:00:25,559 --> 01:00:27,679
wild because basically that a year or two after that

1247
01:00:27,719 --> 01:00:30,719
book came out, that technology was became obsolete because all

1248
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:33,440
the telegraphs got destroyed and we switched the phones. So

1249
01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:36,000
it's very interesting, but it's a whole like it's a

1250
01:00:36,039 --> 01:00:38,519
manual for like a telegraph operator on how to to

1251
01:00:38,679 --> 01:00:39,599
learn how telegraphing.

1252
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:40,039
Speaker 5: Yep.

1253
01:00:40,119 --> 01:00:42,840
Speaker 4: Absolutely, and that happened like just right before the Civil

1254
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:45,360
War started, right before the secession of the unit of

1255
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:49,000
the Confederacy. And that is very interesting.

1256
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:51,280
Speaker 5: So many things out there. Where do you begin?

1257
01:00:52,119 --> 01:00:53,880
Speaker 4: You know, you could spend twenty three hours a day

1258
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:56,000
and still never get to the bottom of all these

1259
01:00:56,079 --> 01:00:56,599
rabbit holes.

1260
01:00:56,639 --> 01:00:58,800
Speaker 5: But it was it was a pleasure to talk to you.

1261
01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:01,760
Speaker 4: I'm so happy we're able to cover such a gambit

1262
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:05,599
of of of topics and between you, you know what

1263
01:01:05,639 --> 01:01:08,199
you dealt with earlier in your life to your journey

1264
01:01:08,519 --> 01:01:10,840
to the truth, and here you are today sharing all

1265
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:13,119
that knowledge. So we greatly appreciate you coming on.

1266
01:01:14,719 --> 01:01:18,039
Speaker 1: Thank you, sir. And I just wanted to add it's

1267
01:01:18,119 --> 01:01:19,920
wild as a person, you know, I think you have

1268
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:22,400
a Sara. You have a lot of criminal people or

1269
01:01:22,519 --> 01:01:24,280
or you know people in prison as being maybe a

1270
01:01:24,320 --> 01:01:27,360
little stupider, and I learned. I mean, I'm telling you

1271
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:28,880
you could have some guests if you get if you

1272
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:30,159
could get a hold of some of the people that

1273
01:01:30,199 --> 01:01:33,039
are that we're on the former death row or lifers

1274
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:36,480
in prison, you would learn because they have, you know,

1275
01:01:36,639 --> 01:01:39,239
twenty three twenty four hours a day to research. There

1276
01:01:39,239 --> 01:01:42,360
are some people that know some serious history that are

1277
01:01:43,079 --> 01:01:44,000
stuck behind bars.

1278
01:01:44,239 --> 01:01:49,239
Speaker 4: Absolutely absolutely, and if you have any ideas, feel free

1279
01:01:49,239 --> 01:01:51,679
to send me an email and I'll reach out to whoever.

1280
01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:56,239
These these conversations are fantastic and knowledge is power, and

1281
01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:58,559
you certainly brought of that a lot of that today.

1282
01:01:58,559 --> 01:02:02,519
Speaker 1: So thank you so much, John, Yes, thank you, thank

1283
01:02:02,559 --> 01:02:04,760
you so much. And yeah, I mean I've been listening.

1284
01:02:04,760 --> 01:02:06,519
I think I'm listening to just since the very beginning.

1285
01:02:06,519 --> 01:02:08,559
So I'm I'm really happy to be on here and

1286
01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:11,400
I'll definitely send you I want to send you some

1287
01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:14,000
books that you might be interested in. There some more

1288
01:02:14,039 --> 01:02:16,079
unusual books. Maybe I can send you like some BDF

1289
01:02:16,239 --> 01:02:17,519
I could even download.

1290
01:02:17,159 --> 01:02:19,599
Speaker 5: It perfectly and I can throw them on the website

1291
01:02:19,599 --> 01:02:19,960
as well.

1292
01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:23,760
Speaker 1: Okay, Yes, thank you, and yeah, it was it was

1293
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:26,159
a pleasure. Thanks for thanks for taking the time to

1294
01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:27,320
to talk YEP.

1295
01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:29,480
Speaker 4: Appreciate you, and thank you to the audience again for

1296
01:02:29,519 --> 01:02:32,400
your continuing support. Listening to the podcast. If you'd like

1297
01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:34,599
to reach out any questions, concerns, or you'd like to

1298
01:02:34,639 --> 01:02:36,840
join us like John did today, please send us an

1299
01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:39,760
email to the fact Hunter at mail dot com, or

1300
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:42,480
stop by the website the fact Tunter dot com and again,

1301
01:02:42,519 --> 01:02:45,079
in case I say the website right, the fact Hunter

1302
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:47,400
at mail dot com. God bless you everybody to have

1303
01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:50,039
a great weekend and keep your head on a swivel

1304
01:02:50,119 --> 01:02:51,320
and we will see you.

1305
01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:59,360
Speaker 7: I'm knowing it's been struggle. I don't know you've had.

1306
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:08,079
I'm gonna feel tired, hell down by all the way.

1307
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:16,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know you feel more, you smile, ain't the same,

1308
01:03:18,440 --> 01:03:23,400
that's all way go from you feel like you've.

1309
01:03:23,239 --> 01:03:28,920
Speaker 8: Lost your way. Don't give up.

1310
01:03:29,159 --> 01:03:33,599
Speaker 5: No, don't give it and never is home. Don't let

1311
01:03:33,719 --> 01:03:38,760
call the primise. It ain't done yet. He's gone up plaid.

1312
01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:40,360
Why it's away?

1313
01:03:40,599 --> 01:03:43,559
Speaker 3: Time got up? Mamby come.

1314
01:03:47,360 --> 01:03:48,320
Speaker 8: Why wait?

1315
01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:51,280
Speaker 1: God may call.

1316
01:03:58,159 --> 01:04:03,000
Speaker 8: I can see the street inside you. Child's are putting

1317
01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:10,199
up five. Oh, you're stronger than a thing. C Yeah,

1318
01:04:10,360 --> 01:04:16,480
you're gonna be all right. You're accepting a dead found.

1319
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:18,880
Speaker 5: Beautiful.

1320
01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:22,679
Speaker 8: You're shoving ride.

1321
01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:24,400
Speaker 9: Yeah, you're living, breathing, Move.

1322
01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:30,239
Speaker 7: You can hold your head a pie.

1323
01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:37,039
Speaker 5: Don't give up, No, don't give in. You never loves home.

1324
01:04:37,159 --> 01:04:42,039
Speaker 8: Don't let go on the primies, it ain't done Yet's God?

1325
01:04:42,199 --> 01:04:47,400
Speaker 3: I let Wat's a way down the God of me became.

1326
01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:53,000
Don't give up, No, don't give in you never lose home,

1327
01:04:53,159 --> 01:04:55,320
don't let go on the primis.

1328
01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:57,760
Speaker 5: It ain't NiFe, It's.

1329
01:04:57,719 --> 01:05:03,400
Speaker 8: Worth live in? What lay down? The God up? Call?

1330
01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:11,440
Speaker 3: Why spray down? God?

1331
01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:14,039
Speaker 8: Oh yeah?

1332
01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:16,920
Speaker 9: What's a pray down?

1333
01:05:17,159 --> 01:05:36,199
Speaker 3: The god baby called? Oh yeah, got TV call? Don't

1334
01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:41,239
give up, No, don't give in? Never sol do.

1335
01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:45,519
Speaker 9: They go off? The Primis? I mean, and then yas

1336
01:05:45,719 --> 01:05:53,440
got up playing wat kind of in cots don't give no,

1337
01:05:53,760 --> 01:06:00,159
dog in, never hold, don't let go the crimes.

1338
01:05:59,840 --> 01:06:00,920
Speaker 1: I it ain't done.

1339
01:06:01,119 --> 01:06:02,480
Speaker 7: Love is both living.

1340
01:06:03,440 --> 01:06:08,119
Speaker 9: What's God of NICs?

1341
01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:13,199
Speaker 1: All?

1342
01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:20,960
Speaker 5: The God of needs cos? Why's he done?

1343
01:06:21,119 --> 01:06:36,639
Speaker 3: The God of you're.

1344
01:06:29,719 --> 01:06:31,760
Speaker 5: Listening to the Fact Hunter Radio Network.

1345
01:06:35,440 --> 01:06:36,199
Speaker 1: Just the facts, ma'am