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Speaker 2: On today's soft Core History, we talk about a little

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appetizer conflict before the Civil War.

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Speaker 1: One could say that Bleeding Kansas was the Mazzarella sticks

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to Gettysburg's flame and yon.

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Speaker 2: And if you like totally irrational rants about the state

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of Kansas, you came for the right episode.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, as someone born in Missouri who was educated at

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the University of Missouri, I can tell you for a

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fact that while yes, abolition was the right take, Kansas

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is completely full of shit about their history.

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Speaker 2: Rob's gonna claim there's a lot of virtue signaling, and

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maybe he's right, maybe he's wrong. Tune in and find out.

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Fuck John Brown and now today's episode. Welcome to soft

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Core History. Welcome back to Softcore History. I'm your host

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for the week. Damn Regester joined is always by Rob Fox.

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Speaker 1: Should we make the joke again that we don't have

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a deep bench?

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Speaker 2: We don't. Yeah, just the two of us again.

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Speaker 1: It's Gabby's in Europe and no one else answered.

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Speaker 2: Randy's in Japan, is what it is? Jake still oystering.

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Speaker 1: Jake's on an I was on an island this weekend.

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I don't know you're sick.

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Speaker 2: I feel like the older you get, the kind of

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like more congested you are always cause you have kids.

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Makes sense.

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Speaker 1: I'm not actually sick, right, I mean I'm not. I

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don't feel well, but that's just from like.

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Speaker 2: Travel and you have your sweatshirt on, Yes.

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Speaker 1: My sweatshirt. If I'm wearing a sweatshirt, that means I don't

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feel good in some way. For me personally, it was

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driving nine hours over the last two and a half days.

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That really is what absolutely makes me feel like shit

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right now, getting no sleep, having to sleep in the

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same room with my fucking toddler, who every time he's

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I would try to sneak in and get in bed

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as he's in his like little crib, would wake up

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like da da da da sleep with da da. I

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was like fucking fine, and he doesn't understand that you

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don't need to be right on top of the person

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you're sharing a bed with when you share a bed

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with them. Same way like people will post pictures like

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their dog not understanding or respecting space on a bed.

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That's my fucking a spray bottle. I probably should have.

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Speaker 2: So I taught my dog.

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Speaker 1: I spit on him a few times, but that didn't work.

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Speaker 2: It only incentivized him to come at I was.

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Speaker 1: Like, well, then he just spit back, and he thought

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it was a game. He just spit back in my face,

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like a I can't do this.

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Speaker 2: No, I feel great. Actually, just got done deadlifting, pretty show,

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going straight from the gym.

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Speaker 1: Look at you for you. I have a giant cup

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of tequila. It's not straight tequila, but fair amount tequila

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in it.

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Speaker 2: I didn't realize how unimpressive the thousand pound club is,

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which is squat, deadlift bench one thousand pounds total. It's

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incredibly easy. Yeah, it's very easy.

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Speaker 1: I don't know anything about it, and that doesn't sound

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that tough to me. No squat, especially shouldn't squat be

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pretty easy.

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Speaker 2: Deadlift is really where I do most of my heavy lifting,

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So I just deliberately. I did four to fifty five.

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Okay today, I mean all I have to do is

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like squat three fifteen, which is easy. I say, squat

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five incline the harder inclines harder. Yeah, okay, sure it is,

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but it's incredibly easy. I'm only saying this because, uh,

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there's a video going around the interwebs, and this is

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evergreen content because people will always have stupid opinions. There's

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a bunch of dudes that clearly don't go to the

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gym that are making fun of all these weak men.

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They can't easy curl one hundred and ten pounds.

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Speaker 1: So these guys just get all their strength on the curl.

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Speaker 2: Is an easy bar with twenty kilos on each side. Okay,

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so I think a lot of people are missing the

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fact that it's not twenty pounds twenty kilo, it's like

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forty five pounds on each said yeah, yeah, yeah, so yeah,

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it's a hundred and ten pounds.

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Speaker 1: You can curl it. You hear about like a morbidly

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obese person in like like you're.

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Speaker 2: Ninety nine percent of the population cannot curl one hundred.

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Speaker 1: And ten pounds. Yeah, and who cares? What's the point.

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Speaker 2: That's way more impressive than one thousand pounds? Club is

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my my whole point. Okay, I can't curl hundred and ten

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pounds like without you, bitch, I'd have to like throw

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my back a little. It would be all.

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Speaker 1: Momentum, bitch, I'll do it right now.

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Speaker 2: You'd be pulling the fucking sort of stone.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, one d per. I mean, I just like walk

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around like forty pounds in one arm every day, no

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no questions at like doing all kinds of fun.

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Speaker 2: That's why you won't buy something so much bigger I do.

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Speaker 1: Go. I am left handed in that rest in that respect,

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so yeah, like my left hand, my left arm has

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more control, So I always carry my kids around the

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left arm.

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Speaker 2: There's an imbalance you have to kind of work on that.

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Speaker 1: I know, well, I carry both of them a lot

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of times.

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Speaker 2: I feel clearly Rory is much bigger. He's a fucking mammoth, quite.

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Speaker 1: A bit bigger. We were at dinner with a four year.

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Speaker 2: Because you don't feed Finn sometimes.

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Speaker 1: Well, Finn gets nutrition eat yeah, he gets the scraps, yeah,

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which is like a funny thing. To think about.

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Speaker 2: And I've been to your house. Rory has thrown food

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on the ground, and I've seen Finn go over and

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crawl over to pick it up.

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Speaker 1: Rory only throws food. He don't even fucking at anything.

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I don't know how he grows. I don't know what

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the fuck he eats. But Finns still has to still

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has to compete with the dogs, and the dogs beat

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still beat Finn.

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Speaker 2: HM.

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Speaker 1: To this point, it's.

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Speaker 2: Gonna be like the kid from the Veil that like

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seven eight years old. Mommy, I'm hungry breastfeeding.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Courtney never breastfed him for one second.

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Speaker 2: So you're gonna start at eight?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we begin at eight? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, And I mean you're gonna keep pumping kids out,

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third ones on the way. Who knows you're gonna go

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for like you going for a basketball team starting lineup?

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Speaker 1: Fuck?

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Speaker 2: Fuck that.

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Speaker 1: I no, there's no way, there's no what's the dream?

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Speaker 2: I guess with the kids three? Well you got three,

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but getting in the tennis oh yeah yeah, some country

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club sport.

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Speaker 1: Tennis soccer, tennis, tennis, O soccer, maybe a quarterback trying

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to make that us Now, Actually, the real dream is

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is MLB pitcher. That's the real dream. That's the one

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sport that I didn't play beyond eighth grade. Uh well,

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I did play harder beyond eighth grade. But that's like

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the one sport that I was not great at that

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I could teach them to be great at.

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Speaker 2: Great athletes aren't good coaches, No, they're not. So you

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Speaker 1: I'm going to. And there's a decent chance for Rory's

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left handed, like throws left handed.

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Speaker 2: So, kids, if you're listening, you're in high school still

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and the coach is trying to tell you you're not

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good enough, throw it right back in his face.

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Speaker 1: He wasn't good enough. He's a coach, but that means

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he is good enough then to know that they're not

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good enough. What you need is like a Teddy Bridgewater.

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He's like coaching high school football. Now, if Teddy Bridgewater

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doesn't like your talent in high school, then you should

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You shouldn't feel bad about that because he's too He

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was too good to know what real talent is.

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Speaker 2: What about like a Ryan Leaf. He was coaching high

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school for a bit. Uh well, then he went to prison.

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Speaker 1: Ryan Leaf was probably Ryan Leaf was probably just telling

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kids that to get them depressed so he could bang

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their high school girlfriends.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna transition this into our topic. Actually, what about

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like a Chase Daniel.

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Speaker 1: A Chase Daniel. Chase Daniel is going to be the

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day he wants to be. He's going to be first

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a great QB coaching offensive coordinator, and then a great

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head coach. In fact, there's been there was talk ever

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since he was a back.

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Speaker 2: No, a man has made more money off less talent

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than Chase Daniel.

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Speaker 1: Hard disagree, hard disagree. First off, what he did takes

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so much talent. The man as the best agent he

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had the talent to pick.

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Speaker 2: He surrounds himself with a circle of much more talented individuals.

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I agree. Yeah, you know you are who you surround

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Speaker 1: I mean, you probably are, at least mildly a fan

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of Chase Daniel's best wide receiver in college. Mm, you

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don't like Macklin that much?

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Speaker 2: Not really? No, he was an okay Eagle.

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Speaker 1: You guys didn't. You guys never helped him.

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Speaker 2: He he definitely thrived much more after he left the Eagles.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, bad Org, bad Org.

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Speaker 2: That's what people say about Philadelphia Eagles awful organization, can't

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handle talent, can't draft who was his quarterbacks? Covin Cob Yeah,

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what the fuck?

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Speaker 1: That's not great? And then you had the fucking he Actually, I.

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Speaker 2: Would have had the first iteration of Nick Foles, so

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I wonder if he had that was that was.

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Speaker 1: One good Eagles two interceptions.

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Speaker 2: People kind of dump on Nick Foles for his career.

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Speaker 1: Obviously, you guys not do better with Macklin and DeShawn Jackson.

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Speaker 2: Chip Kelly, Yeah, yeah, that's why I.

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Speaker 1: Think, and I think that's gonna go very badly this

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year at his current station.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, Guys, this is a history podcast. The reason I

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brought up Chase Daniels because today we're gonna talk a

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lot about Missouri and Kansas.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna get heated international for this, so most likely, Yeah,

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as a University of Missouri alum.

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Speaker 2: And I'm here to tell you that fuck Missouri, man,

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fuck you.

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Speaker 1: First off, one one fun thing about Kansas, because they

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always try to take the moral high ground on this.

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Speaker 2: Of today we're talking about bleeding Kansas. Yeah, dude, fuck Missouri.

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Speaker 1: They always try to take the moral high ground on this.

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But one fun fact about Kansas that you may not

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know in the whole bleeding Kansas situation is one of

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the reasons they were wanted to be free soil is

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they just didn't want any black people there at all,

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slave or free.

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Speaker 2: That's actually what the free state meant, free of blacks.

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Speaker 1: It's not inaccurate like they didn't want black people there.

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They did not want any black people in Kansas. It's

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a headache.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I guess and we'll get to it, Okay,

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the reason why, but abolitionism becomes a major political talking point.

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balance between power of northern and southern states to not

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upset the slavery apple cart with the expansion west and

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the move to the Transcontinental Railroad to connect the East

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to California.

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Speaker 1: This is all pre Civil War.

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Speaker 2: Territories in between were battleground areas with how they would

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Speaker 1: Which is, by the way, how Missouri became a state

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the House too, But the Senate obviously doesn't matter for population, right,

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a teen twenty one then Maine did. But balances to

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set it out.

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Speaker 2: The Civil War was always gonna happen always, they just

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pushed it down. There's like that's a future us.

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Speaker 1: Probably well yeah, yeah, tomorrow problem yeah the uh but

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Jefferson thought this, and other other early especially southern people

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of prominence, thought this kind of maybe like pre John C. Calhoun,

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we're like slavery, e'll solvi is uh, we're not gonna

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keep doing it forever, like they thought it would die

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out and then cotton.

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Speaker 2: Gin happens and money machine go burr.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and then believe it or not, there's just

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a eli winning.

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Speaker 2: I believe thought this invention would from my understanding, I

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think you can get rid of slavery.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and he thought he was gonna automate slavery to death.

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No nope, no, no, no, nope, nope.

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Speaker 2: It's an all time bagfire.

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Speaker 1: Though. Oh my god, oh my god, can you imagine

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if someone like I don't even know how you would

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do it, like someone invented AI specifically to like destroy

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child porn because AI would like find child porn the best.

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Speaker 2: And and and then job porn is just created from

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the age exactly, And then they're in this moral dilemmas

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like it's artificial, but it is still child porn.

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Speaker 1: That's the cotton.

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Speaker 2: Git basically really shot himself in the foot.

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Speaker 1: That's not good. It's not good. Oh oh. The other

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thing I say was one thing that a lot of

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the Southerners didn't really take into account was that they

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really really just didn't want to not be a whole

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ass tier above black people, like there was. I was

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watching a video on this the other day, which take

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that for what it's worth. The word's watching a video

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on this, But it was from a pretty a guy

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who knows his history pretty well. He was talking about

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how the sort of Jefferson up to the eighteen twenty generation.

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You know, how each generation is different, right, you have

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one generation that is one way, and then the other generation

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will just reflexively be against it. So that generation was

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like had slaves, what kind of felt bad about it,

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and then the generation after that was like, fuck you, mom, dad,

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Slavery's fucking sweet. And this is the generation that's in

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charge for what we're about to talk about and shit

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like that. Is that's the the generation, the Jefferson generation

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kind of and a little bit right after that is

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the necessary evil generation. And then the generation up to

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the Civil War is the John C. Calhoun positive good generation,

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that slave who argued like, slavery is not a necessary evil,

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but in fact a positive good. It's good for the

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for the black people, it's good for the slaves.

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Speaker 2: Mm hmm. It's kind of like how religion right now

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is kind of swinging back with the younger generation.

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Speaker 1: Exactly exactly or like even allegedly statistically, this is like

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the most conservative young people have been in a while.

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Speaker 2: It's not because time he goes hand in hand with

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the religion.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not because they're waking up. It's never. It

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is never because they're waking.

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Speaker 2: Up, No, they're being rebels.

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Speaker 1: It is always because they're just like, look at something

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that they grew up with. They're like, fuck that, that's

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all it is.

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Speaker 2: It's just a middle finger to your parents.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not some it's not some renaissance or anything

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like that. It's not some great awakening. It's just a

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middle finger to whatever they grew up with.

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Speaker 2: Whatever it is, and it always swings back, yes, always.

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So the Compromise of eighteen fifty was a temporary band

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aid on a festering gash. It approved California as a

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free state, banned the practice in DC, and allowed the

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territories of Utah and New Mexico to a popular vote

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on the issue without federal intervention, while strengthening futuitive flave

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slave laws to keep the South happy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah so it's basically like we got to try to

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keep a balance.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, meaning the North had to fully cooperate and

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handen over escape slaves.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So and you get past that line, they think they're

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home free.

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, And there's good money in that. In fact,

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you know who, Now he died a little bit before this,

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about twenty years before this, but you know who was

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a got his made his living as a slave catcher

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for a while. Future of slave catcher for a while.

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No our very own William Travis of Travis County text

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of Alamo fame.

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Speaker 2: I was just thinking of, like the most famous sheriff

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I could think of.

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Speaker 1: So there was A and M and South Carolina. When

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when A and M joined the SEC, they were sort

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of designated as rivals because neither of them. South Carolina's

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a nube to the SEC relatively, and A and M

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was brand new, so they were kind of designated rivals

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because they're both odd men out.

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Speaker 2: Also, some way off White was born in eighteen forty

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eight fair.

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Speaker 1: Enough and misso Miszoo got Arkansas just because we're right

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next to each other. But A and M and South

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Carolina had nobody really so William Travis born in South Carolina,

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hero of the state of Texas. So when they started

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playing this fake ass civil conflict rivalry game, the trophy

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was called the Travis Trophy, and within like three years, Nan, well, yeah,

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the little wokies, probably not at A and M, probably

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more so at South Carolina. If I had to guess one,

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We're like, that's a fansive.

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Speaker 2: Every edition of a New State went through heavy scrutiny

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intentions only a Rose trying to appease both sides of

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the aisle. So when you appease both sides, you never

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appease anyone. Yeah, it's really kind of the lesson here

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when you get to it.

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Speaker 1: There's like there's good compromises and bad compromises, you know,

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and it's.

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Speaker 2: Like, what do they say, like a good a compromise

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where everyone kind of feels, you know, slided. Yeah, that's

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not a good compromise.

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Speaker 1: Well, no one's supposed to walk away from a compromise

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like happy, right, But there's a difference between that and like.

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Speaker 2: Just feeling like you got boned.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it just like, I don't know, just putting bad

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code on top of bad code, right, Like that's all

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it really is.

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Speaker 2: In May eighteen fifty four, the Kansas Nebraska Act, which

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proposed by Illinois Democrat Stephen A. Douglas. It was in

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direct conflict with the eighteen twenty Missouri Compromise, which forbid

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the practice of slavery north of the sixties or thirty

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six thirty latitude and west of the Mississippi River other

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than in the state of Missouri. And presume you will

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apologize for your state.

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Speaker 1: No, okay, not at all. Every it's there's any state

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that existed before eighteen sixty five, slavery was legal in it,

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and I include California in that they had other ways

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of doing.

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Speaker 2: It, but they had different titles.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, oh suck.

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Speaker 2: Like the eighteen fifty Compromise, it had a popular sovereignty

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clause that would allow the territory to decide for themselves

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on the issue, but fearing it could shift the balance

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of power one way or the other. The previous Nebraska territory,

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which had been denied early entry, was split into two

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with the creation of Kansas. Okay, mistake, So you could

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have a really big rivalry with Nebraska.

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Speaker 1: Right now we are rivals with Nebraska.

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Speaker 2: We have like a bigger rivalry.

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Speaker 1: We so we were.

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Speaker 2: I don't think Nebraska thinks about you.

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Speaker 1: They don't. It's the same way. It was actually very

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similar to the Kentucky Florida rivalry. Yeah, where Florida just

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asked fuck Kentucky for literally thirty years. We beat Nebraska

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for the It took us thirty years between wins in Nebraska.

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I think it was the year before I got to

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school was our first win against Nebraska.

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Speaker 2: And like it's Penn State, Ohio State where Penn State

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hates Ohio State. Ohio State doesn't care. Yeah, like you're

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not Michigan.

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Speaker 1: Ohio State's got like four or five rivals above that. Honestly,

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they probably hate Michigan State more. Notre Dame. They're probably

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even bigger on at this point. They definitely hate Alabama more.

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Maybe Florida. Definitely. Floria's kind of lost, I mean twice

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in the same year in two different sports. That's it's

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a nightmare.

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Speaker 2: Douglas assumed Nebraska will go hard on abolition and Kansas

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would be settled as a pro slavery state by Missourians, Missourians,

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Missourians Missourians. Yeah, thus all said, in any problem that

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could arise regarding Nebraska, Douglas was right and its fate

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as a free state was locked in. But with Kansas,

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the Illinois Senator really overlooked the abolitionist resistance willingness to

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fight and turn this into one of the most violent

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areas in the country in the name of shifting the

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power to the north. I mean, it was a literal

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like it's a mini civil war.

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Speaker 1: It is a yes, it's a it's a gorilla war

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like I war in the middle of the country. Like imagine,

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I mean imagine if.

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Speaker 2: And we gloss over this. Obviously I went to school

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in Pennsylvania. Yeah, in high school and middle school and everything.

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We breeze through this. I think I heard the term

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bleeding Kansas. You probably did, but like a mini civil war,

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we didn't really get into the fucking details. That sounds awesome,

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it's pretty sweet. I was like, we should know that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not bad, it's a good time.

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Speaker 2: And there's a major player in this. What do you

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mean a guy that we know from another event?

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Speaker 1: What John Brown?

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Speaker 2: John Brown?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we.

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Speaker 2: Knew about John Brown's.

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Speaker 1: John Brown is another Oh my god, I already talked

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to it.

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Speaker 2: But we learned like that's the name that is in

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every textbook.

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Speaker 1: Yes, because of the Harper's Ferry raid. But here's another

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fun fact for John Brown and why Kansas is totally

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these people are totally full of shit? Is I already

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told you they didn't want slaves in there because they

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didn't want black people in there at all. One? Two

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do you know who the first person? And John Brown's

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John Brown and his people killed and the Harper's feriyrade.

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Speaker 2: Was was it a slave?

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Speaker 1: It was a slave. It was a black man who

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would not do what they told him to do. They

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blew his brains out. The people trying to free slaves.

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As soon as a black man did not comply with

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their orders, they blew his fucking brains out. The most

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hypocritical thing on earth. Fuck you, fuck you.

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Speaker 2: Sounds like a certain side of the aisle these days.

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Speaker 1: Like suck my dick, John Brown, and suck my dick, Kansas.

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You're not on the right side of the street. And

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you know what, I'll get into this rant now because

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why not, and I'll just handle it. Be good. I've

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told this to so many bitch ass Kansas fans before

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who try to use this as some sort of justification

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that they're the better side of the miszoo Kansas.

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Speaker 2: So, first off, can you even claim John Brown? He's

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from Ohio.

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Speaker 1: Oh, they claim them. They waive a big picture of

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a big picture of them at their basketball game. He's

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there for like a cup of coffee. They they he

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is a hero to them, the man that murdered a

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black man for not doing what he said.

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Speaker 2: I'll allow you. I'll give you the floor. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, if you didn't know that. My favorite favorite part

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about Kanson's trying to talk about they have the moral

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high ground over Missouri on this, several things, on slavery,

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several things. One, Missouri had the third most battles fought

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in it in the entire Civil War of any state.

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Number one is Virginia by far. Number two is Tennessee.

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Number three is Missouri. Per capita, Missouri had more Union

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soldiers than any other state. If you go look at

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you can buy what's really one thing that's really cool

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in Wikipedia, if you can see the order of battle

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for like any major battle of the last like two

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three hundred years, anyone that like had good record keeping

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on there, uh, just on the wars, and this the

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US Civil War was one of those. Go look up

475
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the order of battle for like Shiloh or or even

476
00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:08,759
better yet Vicksburg, all right, two of the most important

477
00:23:08,799 --> 00:23:10,720
battles of the Civil War. And by the way, most

478
00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:12,960
Missouri troops fought in the Western theater because we were

479
00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:18,880
the Western theater, right just command F for control f

480
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Whatever you do in your computer, Missouri, you will see

481
00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:25,359
Missouri units up and down the Union order of battle

482
00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:28,319
for Missouri, like Missouri units fighting thousands and thousands of

483
00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:30,839
missouri men fighting on the side of the Union. Then

484
00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:34,440
do that for Kansas. You might find one unit, probably none.

485
00:23:34,559 --> 00:23:36,720
They did not have that many people fighting, so they

486
00:23:36,799 --> 00:23:39,000
might have There might have been some of them, maybe

487
00:23:39,039 --> 00:23:42,079
most of them even that were morally on the right

488
00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:44,799
side of history. But it was like twelve fucking people.

489
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:48,039
There were more Missourians, quite a bit more Missourians fighting

490
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for the Union than there ever were Kansas. And another thing,

491
00:23:53,599 --> 00:23:57,519
Saint Louis, where I'm from, which is in Missouri, was

492
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a Union stronghold. Saint Lewis kept Missouri in the Union

493
00:24:02,559 --> 00:24:07,559
as a whole. Keeping Saint Louis kept a huge Mississippi

494
00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:11,359
River port, and one of the most important goals in

495
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:15,480
the entire Civil War was making sure the Confederacy lost

496
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:18,039
control of the Mississippi so you could slice it in

497
00:24:18,079 --> 00:24:20,960
fucking two, which is why keeping Saint Louis helped the

498
00:24:21,079 --> 00:24:23,759
Union win the war. And who kept Saint Louis Fucking

499
00:24:23,839 --> 00:24:26,960
Missourians and then taking New Orleans in eighteen sixty two

500
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:28,799
is such a big deal, and then Vicksburg in eighteen

501
00:24:28,799 --> 00:24:31,000
sixty three, which completely shut down the Missipi River and

502
00:24:31,079 --> 00:24:33,839
split the Confederacy in two. You do not. The North

503
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:36,480
does not win the Civil War. Slaves are not freed

504
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:43,039
without Missouri. Kansas contributed nothing except some virtue signaling full

505
00:24:43,079 --> 00:24:46,720
fucking stop fuck Kansas. John Brown killed a black guy

506
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:48,559
because the black guy didn't do what he told them.

507
00:24:48,559 --> 00:24:53,599
Speaker 3: To feel better about yourself, I lot better. Got you hyped,

508
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:59,000
very low entergy. No, not my first rodeo, glad. I

509
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:03,279
picked this topic well on this specific day. Get you

510
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:03,960
fired up.

511
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:12,480
Speaker 2: So almost instantly after Douglas's Act passes, stilers from both

512
00:25:12,519 --> 00:25:15,519
sides come in droves to establish residency and gain the

513
00:25:15,599 --> 00:25:16,240
right to vote.

514
00:25:16,319 --> 00:25:19,559
Speaker 1: Oh man, you think you think voter frauds a thing now?

515
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,920
Because like some breat like oh Balt Harve was doing

516
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,240
blah blah blah blah blah, people would just go on

517
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:26,279
voting tourism.

518
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:27,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're getting to that.

519
00:25:27,319 --> 00:25:30,559
Speaker 1: Like it fucking bananas. I don't think any election was

520
00:25:30,599 --> 00:25:31,920
real before nineteen hundred.

521
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,599
Speaker 2: Well most of it too, is from I know on

522
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:35,319
your side.

523
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,920
Speaker 1: I know the border, but that was not new and

524
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:41,160
it was not exclusive to Missouri.

525
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:42,960
Speaker 2: The reason I got them on this topic actually is

526
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:46,000
because I just moved this week and I was gonna

527
00:25:46,039 --> 00:25:49,759
do kind of goofy stories of moving throughout history. And

528
00:25:49,799 --> 00:25:52,440
then I just got somehow onto Bleeding Kansas a rabbit hole.

529
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:54,480
I'm like, you know what, I'll just I'll cover it

530
00:25:54,519 --> 00:25:56,960
fair enough. I never got to it's a pretty big event.

531
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:01,839
And like I said off camera before the show, you

532
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,880
just did a slavery episode. I seen we for whatever reason,

533
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,039
the same then with slaves on the mine.

534
00:26:07,079 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 1: What was my slavery?

535
00:26:07,759 --> 00:26:12,160
Speaker 2: Don't even remember the guy that wrote that. Yeah, yeah,

536
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:15,319
not only good, but more people need to be.

537
00:26:15,319 --> 00:26:17,200
Speaker 1: Slaves, way more people need to be slaves.

538
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:18,359
Speaker 2: Go ahead and check that episode out.

539
00:26:19,279 --> 00:26:19,960
Speaker 1: Most whites.

540
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:28,279
Speaker 2: President Franklin Pierce's administration appointed territorial officials and factions with

541
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:32,440
pro slavery views to capture early elections through fraud and

542
00:26:32,599 --> 00:26:36,920
intimidation practices. In November of eighteen fifty four, a group

543
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:40,319
of thousands of armed pro slavery men known as the

544
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:45,519
Border Ruffians aka the Southern Yankees, came in from Missouri

545
00:26:45,599 --> 00:26:48,759
to sway the vote for a Congress election of John

546
00:26:48,799 --> 00:26:53,880
Wilkins Whitfield. An investigation a year later found that oney

547
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:57,799
seven hundred and twenty nine votes were completely fraudulent, compared

548
00:26:57,839 --> 00:27:00,440
to the one thy one hundred and fourteen League votes.

549
00:27:00,559 --> 00:27:03,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, so they were more votes than there were.

550
00:27:03,519 --> 00:27:09,559
Speaker 2: People significantly amount. Yeah, yeah, a significant amount of just

551
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:11,640
completely dog shit.

552
00:27:11,519 --> 00:27:13,680
Speaker 1: Votes, which is funny because again it's like nowadays, you'd

553
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:15,640
be like, there were we, well a thousand votes that

554
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:19,079
are suspect in Atlanta out of like the millions people

555
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:22,079
that live there. But in Missouri or kid Leading, Kansas,

556
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:24,720
just like two thousand people show up to be like, yeah,

557
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:25,319
we're from here.

558
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,359
Speaker 2: Election fraud is not new, give us a fucking ballot.

559
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:30,799
At one poll, only twenty of the six hundred and

560
00:27:30,799 --> 00:27:35,480
four votes were Kansas residents. Like, twenty of the six

561
00:27:35,599 --> 00:27:35,960
hundred and.

562
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 1: Four votes were legit, you know, considering how easy it

563
00:27:39,079 --> 00:27:41,240
was to move, I think you should be able to

564
00:27:41,319 --> 00:27:44,240
vote back then. Wherever you were at any given moment,

565
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:45,599
you're allowed to vote.

566
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:50,519
Speaker 2: I wonder what establishing residency was back then, right, because

567
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,279
there's a lot of kids when I went to ECF,

568
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,599
they weren't from Florida, but they moved there six months

569
00:27:56,640 --> 00:28:00,599
beforehand established residency and they got instituition situation.

570
00:28:00,799 --> 00:28:03,559
Speaker 1: Yep. That was at MISSOO. It was like like all

571
00:28:03,559 --> 00:28:07,279
the Chicago and Dallas kids would stay their first summer

572
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:08,960
because you had to be there for a year, and

573
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:12,079
you had to make some minuscule amount of money, so

574
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:13,680
they would get like a part time job. I mean

575
00:28:13,759 --> 00:28:15,079
it was like Louis. You probably had to make like

576
00:28:15,759 --> 00:28:19,440
ten thousand dollars and then boom, you're Missouri resident. Or

577
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:21,079
maybe you just had to be employed. Honestly, maybe it

578
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:23,000
wasn't It wasn't even a cap and so yeah, they

579
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,279
would all do that and then that was for the instituition.

580
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:27,400
I doubt they gave a shit about voting, although voting

581
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:29,240
was sweet Missouri back then it was a swing state.

582
00:28:29,599 --> 00:28:32,119
Obama only won Missouri by like three thousand votes the

583
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:36,000
whole fucking state. Now it's gone, it doesn't matter.

584
00:28:36,079 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 2: The North Fund countered with their own militia group of

585
00:28:39,319 --> 00:28:43,000
free soilers or free staters, the most famous led by

586
00:28:43,039 --> 00:28:47,119
the previously mentioned John Brown, famous black guy killer leve

587
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:47,519
them worth.

588
00:28:47,559 --> 00:28:49,759
Speaker 1: Ye, famous slave killer John Brown.

589
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,839
Speaker 2: When he moved from Ohio. Society is like the New

590
00:28:52,839 --> 00:28:58,839
England Immigrant Aid Company helped fund Northerners move to Kansas.

591
00:28:59,599 --> 00:29:04,200
Others like Minister Henry Ward Beecher shipped abolitionists thousands of

592
00:29:04,279 --> 00:29:06,480
rifles and creates labeled bibles.

593
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, actually, I think I did uh. I don't remember

594
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:11,440
what I did.

595
00:29:11,559 --> 00:29:13,839
Speaker 2: I believe they're named Beacher Bibles.

596
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:17,039
Speaker 1: Sick. I love that. I mean there were this was

597
00:29:17,799 --> 00:29:20,440
I did something on the Second Amendment while a while

598
00:29:20,559 --> 00:29:22,880
while ago. It's just like there's you know, people used

599
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:26,559
to say, like when you have arguments after some horrific

600
00:29:26,599 --> 00:29:28,720
you know, uvol Day or something like that, they'd be like,

601
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:30,480
you know, there's stuck. An amendment never said you could

602
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,519
own a cannon. And it's like, actually, none of that

603
00:29:32,559 --> 00:29:35,640
ship was regulated for a long time, Like people had

604
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:38,480
cannons in these like these are private citizens who had

605
00:29:38,519 --> 00:29:40,599
like literal artillery pieces.

606
00:29:42,119 --> 00:29:45,079
Speaker 2: I mean, go to Sae their front yard you know,

607
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:46,559
k K.

608
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:50,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, Sae has the lions. K. You're right, it's

609
00:29:50,079 --> 00:29:52,839
the cannon. Ye. But I'm sure the thousands just random

610
00:29:53,279 --> 00:29:56,400
houses that have a a cannon looks dope in your yard?

611
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,279
What yard doesn't look cooler with a cannon in it?

612
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:00,759
Speaker 2: And when you see a canon you want to fire it?

613
00:30:02,279 --> 00:30:02,839
Speaker 1: Yeah?

614
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,519
Speaker 2: Yeah a lot of people say, you see a police officer,

615
00:30:05,559 --> 00:30:07,559
you want to reach for their gun. You see a cannon,

616
00:30:07,599 --> 00:30:11,640
you want to make it go boom?

617
00:30:11,799 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 1: Yes, I fully agree. Who doesn't love mortars? That's why

618
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:17,599
I have a problem with every I can't I can't

619
00:30:17,599 --> 00:30:21,119
pass a VFW without loading a shell into the their

620
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,200
old decommissioned artillery.

621
00:30:22,799 --> 00:30:24,119
Speaker 2: Piece and sending in a blaze.

622
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:25,599
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it never works.

623
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 2: It's better if that place burns down anyway, the VFW. Yeah,

624
00:30:30,519 --> 00:30:33,400
you don't need a place for alcoholic veterans.

625
00:30:34,799 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 1: I always wondered if Civil war veterans weren't invited to

626
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:44,759
the VFW, like Confederate, no Union, it's veterans of foreign wars.

627
00:30:45,039 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 2: Oh, you're right, when was it a stab? It was

628
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:49,920
probably established way after.

629
00:30:49,799 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 1: I just let's just say some civil war veteran just

630
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:53,839
comes out of the word work.

631
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:55,559
Speaker 2: It lives to be one hundred and twenty.

632
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:59,119
Speaker 1: Yes, not allowed in the VFW. Foreign wars only.

633
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 2: Buddy, you fought here, you went home after day of work,

634
00:31:05,599 --> 00:31:06,119
day of war.

635
00:31:06,559 --> 00:31:07,839
Speaker 1: That's your wife.

636
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,839
Speaker 2: I learned this. The Jayhawk mascot for the University of

637
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:16,160
Kansas is actually named after the gorilla fighters that sit

638
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,960
up shop in Lawrence and battled the Missouri Raiders during

639
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:19,519
the conflict.

640
00:31:19,599 --> 00:31:22,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, which is also weird. So here's another reason Kansas

641
00:31:22,599 --> 00:31:29,119
fans are absolute dipshits. So two things about that one again.

642
00:31:29,279 --> 00:31:32,279
They try to talk about how Missouri is the bad guys. Uh,

643
00:31:32,359 --> 00:31:38,599
because some Missourians were fighting the abolitionists in Kansas, all

644
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:42,799
fucking nine of them, and uh, yeah, sure that's right.

645
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,440
And those Missourians were ussled. So they tried a they're

646
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,480
too stupid to understand. They're like, yeah, you're tigers. You

647
00:31:47,559 --> 00:31:50,720
were named after Missouri fighters, which is true, so like

648
00:31:50,839 --> 00:31:54,359
they were fighting for slavery. Actually, the Missouri Tigers is

649
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:58,200
named after the local militia in I know, Columbia, Missouri,

650
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:02,440
the Union militia during these same fucking people that the

651
00:32:02,519 --> 00:32:07,000
Jayhawkers were fighting. Now, what's fun about the Jayhawkers is

652
00:32:07,039 --> 00:32:11,759
that they were also a gorilla group, and they as

653
00:32:11,799 --> 00:32:15,839
a gorilla fighting group. Yes, they were fighting pro slavery forces,

654
00:32:16,519 --> 00:32:21,880
but while doing so often found themselves murdering women and children.

655
00:32:23,599 --> 00:32:25,759
Speaker 2: Yeah it's gonna happen. Yeah, So the.

656
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:32,759
Speaker 1: Jayhawkers murdered innocent women and children. The Missouri Tigers did not.

657
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:36,440
Are we sure positive that the local union militia that

658
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,000
just had to grab guns and sit on a wall

659
00:32:39,039 --> 00:32:42,599
and fight off these assholes did not then go out

660
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:46,480
and kill random women and children. The bushwhackers, the Missouri

661
00:32:46,519 --> 00:32:50,400
bushwhackers did, were not called the bushwhackers the Kansas Jayhawkers did.

662
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,400
They're called the Jayhawkers, or they're called the Jayhawks.

663
00:32:54,079 --> 00:32:57,559
Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing, Rob, there's not gonna be future

664
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:01,000
pro slavery terrorists if you get rid of them.

665
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 1: I just want to know what the Venn diagram and

666
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:07,759
how much of a singular fucking circle it is from

667
00:33:07,759 --> 00:33:12,960
a dipshit Kansas fan that thinks that it's okay for

668
00:33:13,119 --> 00:33:17,319
Jayhawkers to kill innocent women and children who are Missourians,

669
00:33:17,839 --> 00:33:21,720
but pms about an Israeli bomb landing in the wrong place,

670
00:33:22,039 --> 00:33:24,359
because man, I bet it's a fucking circle.

671
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 2: This is also the first I'm hearing of it. So

672
00:33:28,279 --> 00:33:32,440
my source is you just trust me, bro Just trust me, Broka.

673
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:36,039
The jay Hawkers committed war anti Kansas, then both sides.

674
00:33:36,119 --> 00:33:40,319
Speaker 1: Both sides committed war crimes. But unlike Kansas, which was

675
00:33:40,359 --> 00:33:45,400
really only the one thing, Missouri was like two. There

676
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:48,200
were two different sides within Missouri itself. And by the way,

677
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:50,000
Missouri stayed in the Union.

678
00:33:51,839 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, but Kansas never answers for their crimes. Look at

679
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:55,680
Bill self.

680
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 1: I know they never did, never get called out for shit.

681
00:33:58,079 --> 00:34:01,279
Speaker 2: The FBI was investigating in the our program for the

682
00:34:01,319 --> 00:34:02,160
Adidas shit.

683
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:03,559
Speaker 1: Nothing.

684
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 2: I think NC State got hit with some violations.

685
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:07,599
Speaker 1: Yeah.

686
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,599
Speaker 2: Probably, it was like a trickle down, absolute dog shit.

687
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:17,800
March thirtieth, eighteen fifty five, Kansas holds its first territorial

688
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:21,559
legislature that would decide on whether or not they would

689
00:34:21,599 --> 00:34:25,760
be pro slavery state or not. Thirty seven of the

690
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:29,280
thirty nine states were won by Democratic pro slave delegates.

691
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,800
Martin F. Conway and Sam D. Houston were the only

692
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,519
free standers elected. I'm not sure. I didn't look into this.

693
00:34:35,599 --> 00:34:38,719
If this is the Sam Houston. Uh no, it wouldn't

694
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:44,280
be wouldn't make sense, right, No, that's what you're gonna

695
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:44,880
be gonna.

696
00:34:44,639 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 1: Put the d Yeah, Sam Houston was still in Texas,

697
00:34:48,079 --> 00:34:50,039
or maybe he was dead at that point. Because one

698
00:34:50,039 --> 00:34:52,679
of them, either Sam Houston or Stephen F. Austin, I

699
00:34:52,679 --> 00:34:57,880
can't remember which one, they were vehemently against Texas seceeding

700
00:34:58,119 --> 00:35:01,320
in eighteen sixty one. They were like, fuck that. No,

701
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,480
we're part of the United States of America. We're not succeeding.

702
00:35:03,519 --> 00:35:06,519
We just fucking joined it. We just joined it. And

703
00:35:06,559 --> 00:35:09,559
then they got booted, booted out of their real out

704
00:35:09,559 --> 00:35:11,480
of the governorship real fast. But I can't. I can't

705
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:12,559
remember which we had.

706
00:35:12,639 --> 00:35:17,039
Speaker 2: Okay, it's like me crediting Michael B. Jordan with six titles. Yeah,

707
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:20,840
that's not right, So gotta gotta put that d in.

708
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:25,840
The Houston free Staters cried fraud. The territorial governor Andrew

709
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Reader offered up a rather inconsequential peace offering. I was

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just running back elections of eleven of those seats. This time.

711
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,800
The free Staters won eight of the eleven, but when

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the dust settled, it was still an overwhelming twenty nine

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to ten majority in the pro slavery camp m So

714
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it's like, why the fuck do we even have new elections?

715
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:51,639
Speaker 1: Sounds like Kansas did want slaves. The new kept voting.

716
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:55,880
Speaker 2: Vote legislator then immediately invalidated those results from the special

717
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:59,880
election as just the fuck you to Free Staters. So

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00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:02,920
even though they had the overwhelming majority twenty nine to ten,

719
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:07,679
they then invalided the eight new Freestaters like no, you can't,

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you can't join us. Yeah, it's like my dick, And

721
00:36:11,679 --> 00:36:14,679
they gave those seats back to the Southern sympathizers and

722
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:17,480
moved the territorial capital to the Missouri border.

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Speaker 1: I mean, to this day, the only part of Kansas

724
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:28,079
that is meaningful at all is attached to Missouri. Kansas City,

725
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:33,760
kseyk Overland Park, Shawnee Mission. I mean, I guess, I

726
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:38,400
mean even fucking Lawrence is like a suburb of Kansas City. Basically,

727
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:40,920
it's thirty minutes west of KSEK.

728
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:42,280
Speaker 2: A fan of Topeka.

729
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 1: No, that's a shithole.

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00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:47,199
Speaker 2: I enjoyed my time in Manhattan.

731
00:36:47,519 --> 00:36:51,559
Speaker 1: I'm sure I've heard Mahon's kind of fun. I've heard

732
00:36:51,679 --> 00:36:54,360
okay things about Whichita. I have been to Topeka, though,

733
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:55,960
and Topeka is dog shit.

734
00:36:56,039 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 2: I drove past it. It didn't look great.

735
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:01,239
Speaker 1: No, I stayed there. We stayed there one night when

736
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:04,199
my family did on a drive to Colorado for vacation,

737
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,320
because we drove everywhere, because we're fucking Midwesterns.

738
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Speaker 2: Freestaders in response, began assembling their own legislator in Topeka elected.

739
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 1: Oh oh oh alternate electors who's the real voter.

740
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:23,639
Speaker 2: Fraud, elected Charles L. Robinson as their governor, and proclaimed

741
00:37:23,639 --> 00:37:28,679
themselves the legitimate governing body of the territory. President Pierce

742
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:31,880
responded to all this by firing the original appointee, Andrew

743
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:35,960
reader and replacing him with a more hardline pro slave

744
00:37:36,039 --> 00:37:38,559
guy Wilson. Shannon got to keep the back of the

745
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:41,239
territorial governor, gotta keep the balance.

746
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:43,679
Speaker 1: So Pierce is after Polk and before Buchanan.

747
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:44,039
Speaker 2: Yep.

748
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 1: Now, Polk, as we've established, is one of the greatest

749
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:48,719
presidents in American history.

750
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:50,079
Speaker 2: Pierce is kind of a ship bag.

751
00:37:50,199 --> 00:37:51,760
Speaker 1: Pierce and Buchanan dog shit.

752
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:56,519
Speaker 2: Bu Canan really is the worst president of all time.

753
00:37:57,519 --> 00:38:00,960
Like it's not even up for debate, isn't far from it.

754
00:38:01,639 --> 00:38:05,679
Speaker 1: So what's funny is Buchanan's the goat of dog shit,

755
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:09,079
but the vote, but yeah, the whoe, he's the vote.

756
00:38:09,159 --> 00:38:12,239
But Pierce. The two other guys right around that time,

757
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:15,800
Pierce and then after right after Lincoln Andrew Johnson are

758
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:19,960
like bottom seven. Like they're both right fucking there.

759
00:38:20,039 --> 00:38:23,800
Speaker 2: It's a bad time for presidents with one two exceptions.

760
00:38:24,159 --> 00:38:27,480
But then we have like the best in Lincoln. He

761
00:38:27,519 --> 00:38:29,519
a sends and you also you love Polk.

762
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Speaker 1: He only served one term because he accomplished everything he

763
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said he was gonna do. I hold a special place

764
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:41,440
in my heart for presidents who do certain things. One

765
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:46,719
is expand the territory and to not this is not

766
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:48,960
in order. One and his expand the territory, and the

767
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:52,400
other is give up power when they don't have to.

768
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 2: I'm not totally sure about this, but I think Coolidge

769
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:57,000
did it as well.

770
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:57,519
Speaker 1: What.

771
00:38:58,039 --> 00:39:01,519
Speaker 2: I think he only ran one term after obviously he

772
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:06,199
takes over office because oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Harden dies.

773
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,519
But Coolidge I think only runs for one term. He

774
00:39:09,559 --> 00:39:11,239
was still eligible for four more years. I think he

775
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:11,880
declines it.

776
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's because he liked Teddy Roosevelt, who did this

777
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:16,400
a little before, although he kind of went back on

778
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:18,519
it because he ran again in the Bull Moose Party.

779
00:39:18,639 --> 00:39:24,960
But Roosevelt took over very early in McKinley's term and

780
00:39:25,079 --> 00:39:26,960
served that whole thing after McKinley was killed and then

781
00:39:27,079 --> 00:39:29,960
was re elected, and he served like seven ish years

782
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,320
as president. But he could have run again because he's

783
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:37,000
only elected once. But he was like, no, I've served,

784
00:39:37,199 --> 00:39:39,760
you know, almost as long as Washington did. I don't

785
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:41,719
want to do it. He gave up power. Grant he

786
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,719
ran again eventually, but he gave up power, and so

787
00:39:45,119 --> 00:39:47,000
Polk was like, I did everything I accomplished to do.

788
00:39:47,599 --> 00:39:49,079
I don't need to be in this office anymore.

789
00:39:49,159 --> 00:39:52,519
Speaker 2: Yeah. Colidge said he chose not to run nineteen twenty eight,

790
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:55,480
remarking that ten years as president will be longer than

791
00:39:55,519 --> 00:39:58,800
any other man had done it, and it was too long.

792
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:02,519
Speaker 1: Yep, I huge respect for anyone that does that giving

793
00:40:02,599 --> 00:40:05,599
up power. That is one of the great hallmarks of

794
00:40:05,639 --> 00:40:07,159
American democracy.

795
00:40:06,639 --> 00:40:09,639
Speaker 2: And an FDR just like, Yeah, Yolo's totally took that

796
00:40:09,639 --> 00:40:10,719
statement and wiped his ass.

797
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:13,280
Speaker 1: But he totally wiped his ass with it. Now, there's

798
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:16,440
a couple others that, at least one that I know

799
00:40:16,519 --> 00:40:18,360
that tried, which is Grant, who I do think is

800
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:20,559
a good president, but that is kind of a flaw.

801
00:40:20,639 --> 00:40:23,480
He wanted to run again and the Republicans were just

802
00:40:23,559 --> 00:40:28,719
kind of over his administration. So they're like now and

803
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:32,199
I think I am personally of the opinion. We're gonna

804
00:40:32,199 --> 00:40:35,239
talk about him on our Patreon this week. Woodrow Wilson.

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00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,920
I'm of the opinion if his brain didn't break that

806
00:40:39,039 --> 00:40:41,239
he definitely would have tried to go for a third term.

807
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Wilson gets a lot of hate, some of it

808
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:49,119
is deserved, but he really they kind of sweep under

809
00:40:49,119 --> 00:40:51,480
the rug everything that gets accomplished under Wilson.

810
00:40:51,519 --> 00:40:54,199
Speaker 1: Oh, we're actually gonna talk about that today, but in

811
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:56,199
the reverse, so.

812
00:40:56,159 --> 00:40:58,360
Speaker 2: You're gonna you're gonna throw more dirt on his name.

813
00:40:58,559 --> 00:41:03,360
Speaker 1: No, it's essentially like who which which I? This is

814
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how I open the episode.

815
00:41:04,159 --> 00:41:07,320
Speaker 2: Wilson had so much foresight that he doesn't get credit for.

816
00:41:08,159 --> 00:41:13,320
With Germany, and after World War One he warned the French, like,

817
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:16,840
do not do not sanction Germany, do not do all

818
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:18,840
these things that you're gonna only create a monster.

819
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,119
Speaker 1: We'll get into that. Well, we will definitely get into that.

820
00:41:21,159 --> 00:41:22,519
But what I was gonna say with Wilson is that,

821
00:41:22,639 --> 00:41:26,239
like he's like, who should is my my my dilemma

822
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:28,280
is who should you hate the most as a president?

823
00:41:28,599 --> 00:41:31,119
The one who's just the worst or the one who's

824
00:41:31,119 --> 00:41:33,519
the most frustrating. Like it's like what athlete on your

825
00:41:33,519 --> 00:41:34,559
team do you hate the most?

826
00:41:34,599 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 2: It's that there was a lot of meat on that bone.

827
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:38,519
Speaker 1: It's yeah, but it's never the worst guy, because at

828
00:41:38,519 --> 00:41:40,639
some point, the worst guy it's not his fault.

829
00:41:40,679 --> 00:41:41,360
Speaker 2: It's forgettable.

830
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:43,199
Speaker 1: It's it's not his fault for being there either, So.

831
00:41:43,119 --> 00:41:44,360
Speaker 2: It's unrealized potential.

832
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Speaker 1: Right, it's the guy who you like plays like a

833
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Heisman contender one series and then just like shits his

834
00:41:51,119 --> 00:41:54,280
pants the next and you're like, what are you doing?

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Speaker 2: In November eighteen fifty five, pro slavery settler Franklin Coleman

912
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shot and killed free State Charles W. Dal who he

913
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had a long run and feud with. Douglas County Sheriff

914
00:45:55,960 --> 00:46:00,000
Samuel J. Jones ignored the obvious evidence and arrested another.

915
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:01,119
Speaker 1: Free for the murder.

916
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 2: So corrupt, this is this kind of goes down as

917
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:10,519
the first violent act of bleeding Kansas. Yeah, but it's

918
00:46:10,599 --> 00:46:14,039
kind of funny that he just like nah, probably like

919
00:46:14,119 --> 00:46:16,000
saw the man shoot him in cold blood, oh, in

920
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the street.

921
00:46:16,559 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 1: That was the evident. And by the way, that's a

922
00:46:18,079 --> 00:46:20,719
terrifying prospect to be arrested for that murder because like

923
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:25,119
they'll hang you two days later. Like there's there's no

924
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like if you got arrested for murder today, you would

925
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not face sentencing for like a year and a half

926
00:46:32,599 --> 00:46:34,880
if you had to go to trial and everything, and

927
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you were even if you were innocent, you know, it

928
00:46:37,559 --> 00:46:38,400
would take a while.

929
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 2: A polse if Freestaters attempted to rescue their fossely accused

930
00:46:45,519 --> 00:46:50,239
abolitionist Governor Wilson Shannon called for the Kansas Militia, and

931
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:53,800
we had ourselves the first armed conflict between settlers outside

932
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of Lawrence.

933
00:46:55,360 --> 00:47:01,760
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, who were these abolitionists fighting.

934
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 2: A militia, the Kansas Militia.

935
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:10,599
Speaker 1: Oh well, I.

936
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:12,119
Speaker 2: Was sent by Governor Wilson Shannon.

937
00:47:12,559 --> 00:47:16,639
Speaker 1: I was led to believe that every single human being

938
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:23,199
in Kansas was against slavery, and these mean old Missourians

939
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:28,599
crossed the border and said slavery now that's what I

940
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was led to believe.

941
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Speaker 2: There were some Missouri guys.

942
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 1: I didn't know that a single person that lived inside

943
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:42,960
of that dumb fucking rectangle might not have liked black

944
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:49,159
people that much. God, I hate these fucking people. Keep going.

945
00:47:49,519 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 2: Charles L. Robinson raised his own Free Stater militia and

946
00:47:53,079 --> 00:47:57,000
this was ultimately a hold me back bro off.

947
00:47:57,920 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 1: So no, not a lot.

948
00:47:59,199 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 2: Happens, although the free Sitters did take another l as.

949
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:07,960
The only casualty of the conflict is Thomas Barber, the

950
00:48:08,159 --> 00:48:11,880
guy originally killed. No, it's a different guy. He gets shot,

951
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:14,960
and I guess they don't respond. They just let one

952
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:17,840
of their guys get shot and die. Butter not do that, cud,

953
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:23,039
But yeah, who's the one. They're just kind of like, dude,

954
00:48:23,039 --> 00:48:25,440
we're gonna fuck you up. No, we're gonna fuck you up.

955
00:48:26,079 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 1: The most tedious fucking people man Like, yes, obviously slavery

956
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:33,039
is wrong, but like everything Kansons say about their little

957
00:48:33,079 --> 00:48:38,079
moral high ground bullshit, just no it No.

958
00:48:40,079 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, Congress sends a special kind of a committee to

959
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:52,920
conclude that the elections the year prior we're totally fraudulent.

960
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 1: Like every single one.

961
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:57,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, so in July eighteen fifty six, committee concluded the

962
00:48:57,679 --> 00:49:00,880
elections have been limited if if they had been limited

963
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:04,079
to actual residents of the Kansas Territory, the free Standers

964
00:49:04,119 --> 00:49:05,719
would have won the majority of the seats.

965
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:10,039
Speaker 1: I don't even understand how they could check that paper

966
00:49:10,119 --> 00:49:12,760
paper ballots due. I guess man that had That's a

967
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:13,400
lot of work.

968
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 2: Took a year.

969
00:49:15,679 --> 00:49:16,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.

970
00:49:16,159 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 2: Apparently May twenty first, eighteen fifty six, Border Ruffians invaded

971
00:49:24,599 --> 00:49:28,199
Lawrence and bird down the Free State Hotel.

972
00:49:28,079 --> 00:49:29,840
Speaker 1: Led by William Quandrill.

973
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:35,159
Speaker 2: Destroyed two local pro abolitionist newspapers, and pillaged homes and

974
00:49:35,199 --> 00:49:38,760
stores in town. This became known as the Sacking of Lawrence.

975
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:40,360
So you wanna apologize for that at least?

976
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:44,400
Speaker 1: Uh? No, M Can I show you the T shirt

977
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:47,320
they were selling before the two thousand and seven Uh

978
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:50,039
missoo ku rivalry? Again? That was like the biggest one

979
00:49:50,039 --> 00:49:51,119
in the rivalry? What was it?

980
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:53,679
Speaker 2: Because Kansas was number two in the country at that point.

981
00:49:53,519 --> 00:49:55,320
Speaker 1: And we were we were number three or number four.

982
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:58,599
Whoever won was going to be right number one in

983
00:49:58,639 --> 00:50:00,039
the country based on the other.

984
00:50:00,199 --> 00:50:02,280
Speaker 2: You were under the impression, oh, we're going to the natty,

985
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:02,920
I who win this.

986
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:05,519
Speaker 1: No, we were still whoever you weren't, you had still

987
00:50:05,639 --> 00:50:07,800
to be ou in the Big twelve Championship. But whoever

988
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:11,280
won that game was good, so good about yourself was

989
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:13,840
going to be in the Big twelve Championship the next week.

990
00:50:14,679 --> 00:50:19,960
And uh, and then play. If they won that game,

991
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:22,719
they would be they would be unambiguously in the Nationalamions shop. Anyway,

992
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:24,119
this is the shirt that was sold.

993
00:50:25,159 --> 00:50:26,320
Speaker 2: Let me look at it. I'll put it on the

994
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:33,480
screen right now, scoreboard. Uh, it's a Missouri shirt of

995
00:50:33,599 --> 00:50:34,719
just Lawrence burning down.

996
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:38,039
Speaker 1: Yes, love it, don't care? Love it?

997
00:50:39,199 --> 00:50:40,519
Speaker 2: You know, I think enough time passed?

998
00:50:40,599 --> 00:50:40,800
Speaker 1: Yeah?

999
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:41,039
Speaker 2: Why not?

1000
00:50:42,079 --> 00:50:42,320
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1001
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:47,800
Speaker 2: A canon used during the Mexican American War called the

1002
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:52,519
Old Kickapoo or Kickapoo cannon was stolen and used on

1003
00:50:52,599 --> 00:50:56,000
that day by a pro slavery group, including the Kickapoo

1004
00:50:56,119 --> 00:50:58,239
Rangers of the Kansas Territorial Militia.

1005
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:02,159
Speaker 1: Oh the Wedding Who It.

1006
00:51:02,079 --> 00:51:05,880
Speaker 2: Was later recovered by an anti slavery faction and returned

1007
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:10,159
to the city of Leavenworth. We mentioned John Brown again.

1008
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:15,119
In response to the sacking of Lawrence. Brown and his sons,

1009
00:51:15,199 --> 00:51:19,280
along with some followers, snatched five pro slavery men from

1010
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:25,599
their homes in potatomy? Is that right?

1011
00:51:25,639 --> 00:51:27,079
Speaker 1: Let me look at like can you can you show

1012
00:51:27,119 --> 00:51:28,239
me the word? I don't remember how.

1013
00:51:28,599 --> 00:51:31,519
Speaker 2: P O T T A W A T O M

1014
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:32,159
I E.

1015
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:35,239
Speaker 1: That's probably if I had to guess.

1016
00:51:35,039 --> 00:51:37,599
Speaker 2: No, PoTA what tomyo?

1017
00:51:38,079 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 1: Sure? Why not? I don't know?

1018
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:45,639
Speaker 2: That sounds better? Actually, so they took five dudes from

1019
00:51:45,679 --> 00:51:49,960
their home and just hack them to death with broad swords.

1020
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:54,360
Speaker 1: Yeah? Uh, Now were they alone in their homes?

1021
00:51:55,880 --> 00:52:01,159
Speaker 2: No, No, they weren't. They didn't murder them in their

1022
00:52:01,159 --> 00:52:08,840
homes though, they ambushed them, abducted them, brought him I think,

1023
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:11,719
all it into a group, and then just slashed them.

1024
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:13,960
Speaker 1: Yeah. Wow, that sounds like, by the way, that's a

1025
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:16,679
little war crime. But I'm sure John Brown is a

1026
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:20,559
great guy. Keep flying him at your fucking batsketball games,

1027
00:52:20,599 --> 00:52:21,239
you dip shit.

1028
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 2: Brown also led forces into little skirmishes in the Battle

1029
00:52:25,519 --> 00:52:30,360
of Blackjack and Battle of Ohso with toy What is

1030
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:34,000
with these fucking names between his anti slavery group and

1031
00:52:34,039 --> 00:52:39,039
Democrats before ultimately fleeing Kansas all together and head into Virginia.

1032
00:52:39,559 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 1: By the way, the Harper's Ferry raid. Do you know

1033
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:47,199
who was against that? Frederick Douglas. He was like, John Brown, look,

1034
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:48,960
we must do this. No all rise up, And Frederick

1035
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:51,519
Douglas was like, that's fucking dumb. Don't do that. It

1036
00:52:51,559 --> 00:52:54,320
will not work. You will lose. No one will rise up.

1037
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:56,880
Speaker 2: Gonna hurt the cause.

1038
00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:58,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it did hurt the cause.

1039
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:05,760
Speaker 2: Also in May of eighteen fifty six, this is what

1040
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:08,800
really sold me on the topic and has nothing really

1041
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:14,920
to do with Kansas. Yeah, Massachusetts Republican Charles Sumner went

1042
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:18,800
on an anti slavery tirade on the Senate floor and

1043
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:21,840
compared what was happening in Kansas to the rape of

1044
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:22,719
a virgin.

1045
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:25,960
Speaker 1: H Yeah, sure, dude, totally.

1046
00:53:26,639 --> 00:53:29,360
Speaker 2: He was nearly beaten to death two days later with

1047
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:33,480
a cane by South Carolinian Congressman pressed In Brooks.

1048
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:35,679
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1049
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:38,559
Speaker 2: Brooks was then praised by Democrats for his actions.

1050
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:40,920
Speaker 1: I love that. I just bring back beatings on the

1051
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:44,320
floor like there was just a fight it with. This

1052
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:45,480
video went viral like the other day.

1053
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:47,199
Speaker 2: If you want to let me get through though, okay

1054
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:50,000
the rest of this, because we're not done yet, okay.

1055
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:56,719
Fellow Democrats then wore pieces of the Brooken cane in

1056
00:53:56,880 --> 00:54:01,760
necklaces to show solidarity with Brooks pro slavery newspapers said

1057
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:05,239
abolitionist in Kansas and every other territory needed to be

1058
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:10,280
lashed into submission, and hundreds of Southerners sent Brooks new

1059
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:16,280
canes with the inscriptions that said, hit him again. We

1060
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:17,400
think politics are bad.

1061
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:20,119
Speaker 1: Now, yeah it's yeah, never it's never been good.

1062
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:24,079
Speaker 2: So go ahead, you can just want to get through that.

1063
00:54:24,079 --> 00:54:25,719
Speaker 1: That one one child.

1064
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:27,719
Speaker 2: The people send it in games and just say here

1065
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:29,519
you go, nono the lash.

1066
00:54:29,679 --> 00:54:31,960
Speaker 1: I'm trying to see the ages of the people he

1067
00:54:32,039 --> 00:54:36,440
killed with the Potawatommy massacre. They did kidnap one child,

1068
00:54:36,519 --> 00:54:38,800
but I'm pretty sure, like it was not all over

1069
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:42,000
the age of eighteen that they killed. If I had

1070
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:42,960
to guess, you.

1071
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:45,119
Speaker 2: Weren't a man at eighteen back then, you were like

1072
00:54:45,119 --> 00:54:49,280
a man at fifteen. Sure, sure it'd grew out faster.

1073
00:54:49,559 --> 00:54:52,000
Speaker 1: Oh, they were gonna kill a sixteen year old, but

1074
00:54:52,039 --> 00:54:54,360
the mother pleaded for his life and they're like, all right,

1075
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:55,199
we won't do it.

1076
00:54:56,039 --> 00:54:59,800
Speaker 2: And you really hate John Brown. I've never seen this

1077
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:00,880
rage come out.

1078
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:05,119
Speaker 1: It's just like there's just a lot of hypocrisy around him.

1079
00:55:05,159 --> 00:55:11,199
Like he's not a hero, he's a he's a domestic terrorist.

1080
00:55:11,559 --> 00:55:17,440
Who killed five unarmed men. Wow, hooray for you. And

1081
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:23,760
then when again a fucking slave wouldn't do as the

1082
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:31,559
white man commanded, they killed him. What's even the point

1083
00:55:31,599 --> 00:55:32,119
of view.

1084
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:38,280
Speaker 2: If you're not gonna go with my cause you're my enemy, suck.

1085
00:55:38,119 --> 00:55:40,320
Speaker 1: My dick, dude. And it was like a little thing too.

1086
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:42,000
They're like open this door, and he was like, I

1087
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:46,119
don't know you I property wise, like I can't let

1088
00:55:46,159 --> 00:55:48,239
you if something like that, and they were just like, yeah,

1089
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:48,840
I don't have time.

1090
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:52,119
Speaker 2: It was like a lot, like I don't have the

1091
00:55:52,159 --> 00:55:52,599
key man.

1092
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:55,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like it's just I'll have to I have to

1093
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:57,360
look closer because I've read it in a while. I

1094
00:55:57,360 --> 00:55:58,960
haven't i haven't been in this argument in a while.

1095
00:55:59,159 --> 00:56:02,880
But they did like it's just pure hypocrisy.

1096
00:56:04,559 --> 00:56:07,440
Speaker 2: The last major violent outbreak was in eighteen fifty eight,

1097
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:11,480
when border Ruffians killed five Free Staters. In total, about

1098
00:56:11,519 --> 00:56:14,119
fifty six people died during this time period, known as

1099
00:56:14,199 --> 00:56:18,519
Bluing Kansas. Pearce was then succeeded by James Buchanan, who

1100
00:56:18,559 --> 00:56:21,400
was very much sympathetic to the pro slavery cause. He

1101
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:24,159
refused to acknowledge the Kansas Constitution written by the free

1102
00:56:24,159 --> 00:56:28,079
staters in Dopeka. He then personally endorsed the constitution written

1103
00:56:28,079 --> 00:56:32,440
by the pro slavery group in Lacompton. A third, more

1104
00:56:32,519 --> 00:56:36,239
radical free state constitution came out of Levenworth. It would

1105
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:38,840
extend the right to vote to every man regardless of race.

1106
00:56:39,519 --> 00:56:42,960
None of these went through, and ultimately the constitution was

1107
00:56:43,039 --> 00:56:50,800
drafted in Windott I don't know. That was still anti slavery,

1108
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:54,159
and it became law of the land as Kansas was

1109
00:56:54,199 --> 00:56:56,760
admitted in eighteen sixty one as a free state.

1110
00:56:57,519 --> 00:57:02,800
Speaker 1: A useless, empty free state did nothing to help free

1111
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:04,360
any slaves in any meaningful way.

1112
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:06,960
Speaker 2: So the free soilers and free standers ultimately went out

1113
00:57:08,039 --> 00:57:11,280
despite all the corruption by you border ruffians.

1114
00:57:11,559 --> 00:57:15,280
Speaker 1: That's not my statustate. Uh yeah, I mean, look that

1115
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:18,800
obviously being an abolitionist is the quote right side of history.

1116
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:23,599
But like they just it was like a whole the

1117
00:57:23,639 --> 00:57:25,760
whole thing was like a virtue signal. Like it did

1118
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:29,280
not it had like political impact in so much as

1119
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:32,119
that it pissed off people on both sides and maybe

1120
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:36,840
sped up the Civil War happening, But like they contributed

1121
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:40,039
nothing in any meaningful way to actually like freeing a

1122
00:57:40,159 --> 00:57:44,559
single slave. And again I mean John Brown, I guess

1123
00:57:44,559 --> 00:57:49,719
got one slave out of chains into the into the ground.

1124
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:53,760
Speaker 2: Who knows if you actually let them out of the chains.

1125
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:54,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, who knows.

1126
00:57:55,519 --> 00:57:56,960
Speaker 2: I might have just executed them.

1127
00:57:57,079 --> 00:57:59,079
Speaker 1: But it is just like and like those people like

1128
00:57:59,159 --> 00:58:02,320
the Jayhawkers stuff, like absolutely committed war crimes. John Brown

1129
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:04,639
absolutely committed war crimes. Was not.

1130
00:58:07,039 --> 00:58:10,159
Speaker 2: Can we sell the Jayhawk, the rock chalk Jayhawk with

1131
00:58:12,119 --> 00:58:13,400
just the war criminal shirt?

1132
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:16,719
Speaker 1: They literally are I like, I don't know how it's

1133
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:20,079
it's not something to be valorized like at all. Really,

1134
00:58:20,159 --> 00:58:22,320
I it's crazy that. I mean, I don't want any

1135
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:24,039
people to change their name or whatever, but it is

1136
00:58:24,119 --> 00:58:25,239
just like, no, your history.

1137
00:58:26,719 --> 00:58:28,840
Speaker 2: It is a dope mascot. Though I like the logo.

1138
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:31,880
Speaker 1: It's a stupid, dumb fakeer bird.

1139
00:58:33,559 --> 00:58:35,400
Speaker 2: It looks good man, it's a classic.

1140
00:58:35,119 --> 00:58:36,639
Speaker 1: Little room shoes. It's weird.

1141
00:58:36,679 --> 00:58:38,320
Speaker 2: It looks much better than the Missouri Tiger.

1142
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:40,679
Speaker 1: I yeah, I can't say, I mean unless you go.

1143
00:58:40,719 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 2: I mean your guys Sailor logo.

1144
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:45,800
Speaker 1: Obviously it's a class everyone likes. Yeah, you just throw

1145
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:48,599
a little sailor hat on any logo looks good. I mean,

1146
00:58:48,679 --> 00:58:51,719
I am not a huge fan of our mascot or

1147
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:54,199
or colors just in general, because it's like black and

1148
00:58:54,199 --> 00:58:56,440
gold is kind of whatever and everyone's a tiger.

1149
00:58:56,719 --> 00:58:59,679
Speaker 2: Disagree. I disagree with the colors you like the Yeah,

1150
00:59:00,079 --> 00:59:00,840
black have.

1151
00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:05,639
Speaker 1: The same ones. Yeah, I'm jealous of like Auburn's colors

1152
00:59:05,679 --> 00:59:08,840
or Florida's color. I like the blue and orange, go go.

1153
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:11,960
Speaker 2: To Boise then, I love those. Those are great colors.

1154
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:15,599
Speaker 1: Ku is kind of whatever to me because it's red, white,

1155
00:59:15,639 --> 00:59:18,320
and blue, which everyone has those, like, it's a super

1156
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:22,960
common Yeah, the ant to yellow, it's fine, but it's

1157
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:25,280
just everyone has that. I kind of like the I

1158
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:31,280
like Michigan's colors a lot. Like love Michigan's colors. I

1159
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:32,440
think Georgia's colors suck.

1160
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:37,960
Speaker 2: Okay, I don't really dig any orange and black colors.

1161
00:59:38,559 --> 00:59:39,920
It's like an Oregon state.

1162
00:59:41,119 --> 00:59:43,880
Speaker 1: Halloween a time that sucks. I don't like black as

1163
00:59:44,079 --> 00:59:46,039
a color in general. I do.

1164
00:59:46,239 --> 00:59:49,639
Speaker 2: I know you don't, because you're like the plamboyant you

1165
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:52,000
like the pop the easter egg type fellow.

1166
00:59:52,119 --> 00:59:56,280
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, absolutely, Actually you know whose colors I fucking

1167
00:59:57,360 --> 00:59:59,920
truly don't. I don't think I think Alabama has shitty colors.

1168
01:00:01,519 --> 01:00:04,159
Speaker 2: No, I like it. I like just any of those

1169
01:00:04,159 --> 01:00:06,440
classic unal forms, very simple.

1170
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:10,199
Speaker 1: Their uniforms are great. But as a fan to wear

1171
01:00:10,239 --> 01:00:11,320
the colors, I don't love it.

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Speaker 2: What would you I guess what would be your choice? Then?

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Would just be Auburn colors? You want to be the

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Auburn Tigers, you know what?

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Speaker 1: Actually I'd go Florida, like they're brighter. Okay, but I

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do think Tennessee is too bright.

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Speaker 2: There's a happy media. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. I

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think the answer is pretty obvious with who you're gonna say,

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but who is today's hitler Kansas? I thought you're gonna say,

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John Brown, Oh.

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Speaker 1: John Brown, Kansas. All of it hypocrites?

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Speaker 2: All you learned anything in today?

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Speaker 1: No? I knew it fairly like well versed in this.

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I was not arguments alone that I've gotten it. I

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was not alone you know, history or whatever being I

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learned the Ark was a militia group, a fighting group.

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Yeah yeah, yep. Which is a good mascot. It's unique,

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Like I I will say this, it is like without

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knowing any meaning of it, it is a good mascot,

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like I one hundred percent. It is unique. It is

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a great mascot. Uh even though I like to make

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fun of it. But yeah, the whole The only that

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drives me crazy is they try to act like they're

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morally superior in some way, and it's just like, no,

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you're awful at history, which is not surprising because all

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you need to get into KU is a Kansas high

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school diploma, I believe it or not. Not a great

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high school system for that state.

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Speaker 2: Oh, you're really shocking me. The Midwest doesn't have gray schools.

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Speaker 1: No, No, we don't. No, I mean, Missouri's not great.

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You know. That's why most of Saint Louis goes to private.

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Speaker 2: It's either does the South.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that's like California, New York, a couple other

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East Coast.

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Speaker 2: Obviously the schooling system unfortunately, thoughse are brothers in Awaye.

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Speaker 1: You don't need to read when your country's that beautiful,

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I know, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: It's like you're gonna go work into resort anyway.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, just enjoy it, enjoy life. You want to read

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a book. No math, you don't need a no math,

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you live on a beach.

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Speaker 2: I think South Carolina is the second worst state. They

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don't really have an excuse. South Carolina is South Carolina's

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just the bane of arth.

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Speaker 1: Carolina really skates by on just not being Mississippi or Alabama.

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Speaker 2: Because it's it's cool. They have Charleston.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they have Charleston, so gorgeous architecture, a lot of history.

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They've got beaches like you take away Charleston and the beach,

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and South Carolina is worse than Mississippi.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but no, Missippi is terrible. Missippi's gone awful. Yeah,

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it's the worst fucking state in the Union tonight, easily

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by far. Yeah. I'd rather live in Alaska than Mississippi.

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Speaker 1: Feel fretey to tweet at me at Rob Fox three

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if you disagreed with any takes I had here today.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure there's plenty.

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Speaker 1: And I will slap you down, especially if you're a

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KU fan.

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Speaker 2: I will answer for none of Rob's take that said,

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go ahead and check out the Patreon picture on dot com.

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Slash Softcore History two additional episodes every week. As Rob

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said earlier, were talking about Woodrow Wilson apparently.

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Speaker 1: Yep, yep, we're evaluating a resume.

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Speaker 2: Okay, and then leave a review five stars pleasing thank

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you Apple. Uh, that would help tremendously. That's how you

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move up to the charts and software history for merch uh.

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I think we're gonna try to work on some stuff there,

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but we'll see.

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Speaker 1: We have. We talked about it offline cover, but I

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want to do a series of history dad shirts and hats,

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Civil War Dad, Rome Dad, Ancient Rome Dad, World War

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Two Dad.

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Speaker 2: We'll figure it out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, thanks for tuning in for Rob Fox. I'm Dan

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Rochester and you just got saw served.