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Speaker 2: On today's soft Core History, we talk about a little
appetizer conflict before the Civil War.
Speaker 1: One could say that Bleeding Kansas was the Mazzarella sticks
to Gettysburg's flame and yon.
Speaker 2: And if you like totally irrational rants about the state
of Kansas, you came for the right episode.
Speaker 1: Yeah, as someone born in Missouri who was educated at
the University of Missouri, I can tell you for a
fact that while yes, abolition was the right take, Kansas
is completely full of shit about their history.
Speaker 2: Rob's gonna claim there's a lot of virtue signaling, and
maybe he's right, maybe he's wrong. Tune in and find out.
Fuck John Brown and now today's episode. Welcome to soft
Core History. Welcome back to Softcore History. I'm your host
for the week. Damn Regester joined is always by Rob Fox.
Speaker 1: Should we make the joke again that we don't have
a deep bench?
Speaker 2: We don't. Yeah, just the two of us again.
Speaker 1: It's Gabby's in Europe and no one else answered.
Speaker 2: Randy's in Japan, is what it is? Jake still oystering.
Speaker 1: Jake's on an I was on an island this weekend.
I don't know you're sick.
Speaker 2: I feel like the older you get, the kind of
like more congested you are always cause you have kids.
Makes sense.
Speaker 1: I'm not actually sick, right, I mean I'm not. I
don't feel well, but that's just from like.
Speaker 2: Travel and you have your sweatshirt on, Yes.
Speaker 1: My sweatshirt. If I'm wearing a sweatshirt, that means I don't
feel good in some way. For me personally, it was
driving nine hours over the last two and a half days.
That really is what absolutely makes me feel like shit
right now, getting no sleep, having to sleep in the
same room with my fucking toddler, who every time he's
I would try to sneak in and get in bed
as he's in his like little crib, would wake up
like da da da da sleep with da da. I
was like fucking fine, and he doesn't understand that you
don't need to be right on top of the person
you're sharing a bed with when you share a bed
with them. Same way like people will post pictures like
their dog not understanding or respecting space on a bed.
That's my fucking a spray bottle. I probably should have.
Speaker 2: So I taught my dog.
Speaker 1: I spit on him a few times, but that didn't work.
Speaker 2: It only incentivized him to come at I was.
Speaker 1: Like, well, then he just spit back, and he thought
it was a game. He just spit back in my face,
like a I can't do this.
Speaker 2: No, I feel great. Actually, just got done deadlifting, pretty show,
going straight from the gym.
Speaker 1: Look at you for you. I have a giant cup
of tequila. It's not straight tequila, but fair amount tequila
in it.
Speaker 2: I didn't realize how unimpressive the thousand pound club is,
which is squat, deadlift bench one thousand pounds total. It's
incredibly easy. Yeah, it's very easy.
Speaker 1: I don't know anything about it, and that doesn't sound
that tough to me. No squat, especially shouldn't squat be
pretty easy.
Speaker 2: Deadlift is really where I do most of my heavy lifting,
So I just deliberately. I did four to fifty five.
Okay today, I mean all I have to do is
like squat three fifteen, which is easy. I say, squat
and then you bench, like I can mention two seventy
five incline the harder inclines harder. Yeah, okay, sure it is,
but it's incredibly easy. I'm only saying this because, uh,
there's a video going around the interwebs, and this is
evergreen content because people will always have stupid opinions. There's
a bunch of dudes that clearly don't go to the
gym that are making fun of all these weak men.
They can't easy curl one hundred and ten pounds.
Speaker 1: So these guys just get all their strength on the curl.
Speaker 2: Is an easy bar with twenty kilos on each side. Okay,
so I think a lot of people are missing the
fact that it's not twenty pounds twenty kilo, it's like
forty five pounds on each said yeah, yeah, yeah, so yeah,
it's a hundred and ten pounds.
Speaker 1: You can curl it. You hear about like a morbidly
obese person in like like you're.
Speaker 2: Ninety nine percent of the population cannot curl one hundred.
Speaker 1: And ten pounds. Yeah, and who cares? What's the point.
Speaker 2: That's way more impressive than one thousand pounds? Club is
my my whole point. Okay, I can't curl hundred and ten
pounds like without you, bitch, I'd have to like throw
my back a little. It would be all.
Speaker 1: Momentum, bitch, I'll do it right now.
Speaker 2: You'd be pulling the fucking sort of stone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, one d per. I mean, I just like walk
around like forty pounds in one arm every day, no
no questions at like doing all kinds of fun.
Speaker 2: That's why you won't buy something so much bigger I do.
Speaker 1: Go. I am left handed in that rest in that respect,
so yeah, like my left hand, my left arm has
more control, So I always carry my kids around the
left arm.
Speaker 2: There's an imbalance you have to kind of work on that.
Speaker 1: I know, well, I carry both of them a lot
of times.
Speaker 2: I feel clearly Rory is much bigger. He's a fucking mammoth, quite.
Speaker 1: A bit bigger. We were at dinner with a four year.
Speaker 2: Because you don't feed Finn sometimes.
Speaker 1: Well, Finn gets nutrition eat yeah, he gets the scraps, yeah,
which is like a funny thing. To think about.
Speaker 2: And I've been to your house. Rory has thrown food
on the ground, and I've seen Finn go over and
crawl over to pick it up.
Speaker 1: Rory only throws food. He don't even fucking at anything.
I don't know how he grows. I don't know what
the fuck he eats. But Finns still has to still
has to compete with the dogs, and the dogs beat
still beat Finn.
Speaker 2: HM.
Speaker 1: To this point, it's.
Speaker 2: Gonna be like the kid from the Veil that like
seven eight years old. Mommy, I'm hungry breastfeeding.
Speaker 1: I mean, Courtney never breastfed him for one second.
Speaker 2: So you're gonna start at eight?
Speaker 1: Yeah, we begin at eight? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, And I mean you're gonna keep pumping kids out,
third ones on the way. Who knows you're gonna go
for like you going for a basketball team starting lineup?
Speaker 1: Fuck?
Speaker 2: Fuck that.
Speaker 1: I no, there's no way, there's no what's the dream?
Speaker 2: I guess with the kids three? Well you got three,
but getting in the tennis oh yeah yeah, some country
club sport.
Speaker 1: Tennis soccer, tennis, tennis, O soccer, maybe a quarterback trying
to make that us Now, Actually, the real dream is
is MLB pitcher. That's the real dream. That's the one
sport that I didn't play beyond eighth grade. Uh well,
I did play harder beyond eighth grade. But that's like
the one sport that I was not great at that
I could teach them to be great at.
Speaker 2: Great athletes aren't good coaches, No, they're not. So you
might be able to.
Speaker 1: I'm going to. And there's a decent chance for Rory's
left handed, like throws left handed.
Speaker 2: So, kids, if you're listening, you're in high school still
and the coach is trying to tell you you're not
good enough, throw it right back in his face.
Speaker 1: He wasn't good enough. He's a coach, but that means
he is good enough then to know that they're not
good enough. What you need is like a Teddy Bridgewater.
He's like coaching high school football. Now, if Teddy Bridgewater
doesn't like your talent in high school, then you should
You shouldn't feel bad about that because he's too He
was too good to know what real talent is.
Speaker 2: What about like a Ryan Leaf. He was coaching high
school for a bit. Uh well, then he went to prison.
Speaker 1: Ryan Leaf was probably Ryan Leaf was probably just telling
kids that to get them depressed so he could bang
their high school girlfriends.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna transition this into our topic. Actually, what about
like a Chase Daniel.
Speaker 1: A Chase Daniel. Chase Daniel is going to be the
day he wants to be. He's going to be first
a great QB coaching offensive coordinator, and then a great
head coach. In fact, there's been there was talk ever
since he was a back.
Speaker 2: No, a man has made more money off less talent
than Chase Daniel.
Speaker 1: Hard disagree, hard disagree. First off, what he did takes
so much talent. The man as the best agent he
had the talent to pick.
Speaker 2: He surrounds himself with a circle of much more talented individuals.
I agree. Yeah, you know you are who you surround
yourself with.
Speaker 1: I mean, you probably are, at least mildly a fan
of Chase Daniel's best wide receiver in college. Mm, you
don't like Macklin that much?
Speaker 2: Not really? No, he was an okay Eagle.
Speaker 1: You guys didn't. You guys never helped him.
Speaker 2: He he definitely thrived much more after he left the Eagles.
Speaker 1: Yeah, bad Org, bad Org.
Speaker 2: That's what people say about Philadelphia Eagles awful organization, can't
handle talent, can't draft who was his quarterbacks? Covin Cob Yeah,
what the fuck?
Speaker 1: That's not great? And then you had the fucking he Actually, I.
Speaker 2: Would have had the first iteration of Nick Foles, so
I wonder if he had that was that was.
Speaker 1: One good Eagles two interceptions.
Speaker 2: People kind of dump on Nick Foles for his career.
Speaker 1: Obviously, you guys not do better with Macklin and DeShawn Jackson.
Speaker 2: Chip Kelly, Yeah, yeah, that's why I.
Speaker 1: Think, and I think that's gonna go very badly this
year at his current station.
Speaker 2: Anyway, Guys, this is a history podcast. The reason I
brought up Chase Daniels because today we're gonna talk a
lot about Missouri and Kansas.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get heated international for this, so most likely, Yeah,
as a University of Missouri alum.
Speaker 2: And I'm here to tell you that fuck Missouri, man,
fuck you.
Speaker 1: First off, one one fun thing about Kansas, because they
always try to take the moral high ground on this.
Speaker 2: Of today we're talking about bleeding Kansas. Yeah, dude, fuck Missouri.
Speaker 1: They always try to take the moral high ground on this.
But one fun fact about Kansas that you may not
know in the whole bleeding Kansas situation is one of
the reasons they were wanted to be free soil is
they just didn't want any black people there at all,
slave or free.
Speaker 2: That's actually what the free state meant, free of blacks.
Speaker 1: It's not inaccurate like they didn't want black people there.
They did not want any black people in Kansas. It's
a headache.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I guess and we'll get to it, Okay,
the reason why, but abolitionism becomes a major political talking point.
In the mid nineteenth century, US tried to maintain a
balance between power of northern and southern states to not
upset the slavery apple cart with the expansion west and
the move to the Transcontinental Railroad to connect the East
to California.
Speaker 1: This is all pre Civil War.
Speaker 2: Territories in between were battleground areas with how they would
treat the issue once they reached statehood.
Speaker 1: Which is, by the way, how Missouri became a state
in the first place, or maybe how Maine became a state.
I should say Missouri and Maine came into the Union
at the same time in eighteen twenty one, because when
they were admitting states at that time. They're always always,
always had to be one of each because they didn't
want to upset the balance like in the Senate and
with electoral votes and shit like that. So they but
I think more specifically in the Senate, and I guess
the House too, But the Senate obviously doesn't matter for population, right,
So like Missouri had more people in it, I imagine in
a teen twenty one then Maine did. But balances to
set it out.
Speaker 2: The Civil War was always gonna happen always, they just
pushed it down. There's like that's a future us.
Speaker 1: Probably well yeah, yeah, tomorrow problem yeah the uh but
I well, I do think there was a while like
Jefferson thought this, and other other early especially southern people
of prominence, thought this kind of maybe like pre John C. Calhoun,
we're like slavery, e'll solvi is uh, we're not gonna
keep doing it forever, like they thought it would die
out and then cotton.
Speaker 2: Gin happens and money machine go burr.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and then believe it or not, there's just
a eli winning.
Speaker 2: I believe thought this invention would from my understanding, I
think you can get rid of slavery.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he thought he was gonna automate slavery to death.
No nope, no, no, no, nope, nope.
Speaker 2: It's an all time bagfire.
Speaker 1: Though. Oh my god, oh my god, can you imagine
if someone like I don't even know how you would
do it, like someone invented AI specifically to like destroy
child porn because AI would like find child porn the best.
Speaker 2: And and and then job porn is just created from
the age exactly, And then they're in this moral dilemmas
like it's artificial, but it is still child porn.
Speaker 1: That's the cotton.
Speaker 2: Git basically really shot himself in the foot.
Speaker 1: That's not good. It's not good. Oh oh. The other
thing I say was one thing that a lot of
the Southerners didn't really take into account was that they
really really just didn't want to not be a whole
ass tier above black people, like there was. I was
watching a video on this the other day, which take
that for what it's worth. The word's watching a video
on this, But it was from a pretty a guy
who knows his history pretty well. He was talking about
how the sort of Jefferson up to the eighteen twenty generation.
You know, how each generation is different, right, you have
one generation that is one way, and then the other generation
will just reflexively be against it. So that generation was
like had slaves, what kind of felt bad about it,
and then the generation after that was like, fuck you, mom, dad,
Slavery's fucking sweet. And this is the generation that's in
charge for what we're about to talk about and shit
like that. Is that's the the generation, the Jefferson generation
kind of and a little bit right after that is
the necessary evil generation. And then the generation up to
the Civil War is the John C. Calhoun positive good generation,
that slave who argued like, slavery is not a necessary evil,
but in fact a positive good. It's good for the
for the black people, it's good for the slaves.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. It's kind of like how religion right now
is kind of swinging back with the younger generation.
Speaker 1: Exactly exactly or like even allegedly statistically, this is like
the most conservative young people have been in a while.
Speaker 2: It's not because time he goes hand in hand with
the religion.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not because they're waking up. It's never. It
is never because they're waking.
Speaker 2: Up, No, they're being rebels.
Speaker 1: It is always because they're just like, look at something
that they grew up with. They're like, fuck that, that's
all it is.
Speaker 2: It's just a middle finger to your parents.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not some it's not some renaissance or anything
like that. It's not some great awakening. It's just a
middle finger to whatever they grew up with.
Speaker 2: Whatever it is, and it always swings back, yes, always.
So the Compromise of eighteen fifty was a temporary band
aid on a festering gash. It approved California as a
free state, banned the practice in DC, and allowed the
territories of Utah and New Mexico to a popular vote
on the issue without federal intervention, while strengthening futuitive flave
slave laws to keep the South happy.
Speaker 1: Yeah so it's basically like we got to try to
keep a balance.
Speaker 2: But yeah, meaning the North had to fully cooperate and
handen over escape slaves.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So and you get past that line, they think they're
home free.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, And there's good money in that. In fact,
you know who, Now he died a little bit before this,
about twenty years before this, but you know who was
a got his made his living as a slave catcher
for a while. Future of slave catcher for a while.
No our very own William Travis of Travis County text
of Alamo fame.
Speaker 2: I was just thinking of, like the most famous sheriff
I could think of.
Speaker 1: So there was A and M and South Carolina. When
when A and M joined the SEC, they were sort
of designated as rivals because neither of them. South Carolina's
a nube to the SEC relatively, and A and M
was brand new, so they were kind of designated rivals
because they're both odd men out.
Speaker 2: Also, some way off White was born in eighteen forty
eight fair.
Speaker 1: Enough and misso Miszoo got Arkansas just because we're right
next to each other. But A and M and South
Carolina had nobody really so William Travis born in South Carolina,
hero of the state of Texas. So when they started
playing this fake ass civil conflict rivalry game, the trophy
was called the Travis Trophy, and within like three years, Nan, well, yeah,
the little wokies, probably not at A and M, probably
more so at South Carolina. If I had to guess one,
We're like, that's a fansive.
Speaker 2: Every edition of a New State went through heavy scrutiny
intentions only a Rose trying to appease both sides of
the aisle. So when you appease both sides, you never
appease anyone. Yeah, it's really kind of the lesson here
when you get to it.
Speaker 1: There's like there's good compromises and bad compromises, you know,
and it's.
Speaker 2: Like, what do they say, like a good a compromise
where everyone kind of feels, you know, slided. Yeah, that's
not a good compromise.
Speaker 1: Well, no one's supposed to walk away from a compromise
like happy, right, But there's a difference between that and like.
Speaker 2: Just feeling like you got boned.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it just like, I don't know, just putting bad
code on top of bad code, right, Like that's all
it really is.
Speaker 2: In May eighteen fifty four, the Kansas Nebraska Act, which
proposed by Illinois Democrat Stephen A. Douglas. It was in
direct conflict with the eighteen twenty Missouri Compromise, which forbid
the practice of slavery north of the sixties or thirty
six thirty latitude and west of the Mississippi River other
than in the state of Missouri. And presume you will
apologize for your state.
Speaker 1: No, okay, not at all. Every it's there's any state
that existed before eighteen sixty five, slavery was legal in it,
and I include California in that they had other ways
of doing.
Speaker 2: It, but they had different titles.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, oh suck.
Speaker 2: Like the eighteen fifty Compromise, it had a popular sovereignty
clause that would allow the territory to decide for themselves
on the issue, but fearing it could shift the balance
of power one way or the other. The previous Nebraska territory,
which had been denied early entry, was split into two
with the creation of Kansas. Okay, mistake, So you could
have a really big rivalry with Nebraska.
Speaker 1: Right now we are rivals with Nebraska.
Speaker 2: We have like a bigger rivalry.
Speaker 1: We so we were.
Speaker 2: I don't think Nebraska thinks about you.
Speaker 1: They don't. It's the same way. It was actually very
similar to the Kentucky Florida rivalry. Yeah, where Florida just
asked fuck Kentucky for literally thirty years. We beat Nebraska
for the It took us thirty years between wins in Nebraska.
I think it was the year before I got to
school was our first win against Nebraska.
Speaker 2: And like it's Penn State, Ohio State where Penn State
hates Ohio State. Ohio State doesn't care. Yeah, like you're
not Michigan.
Speaker 1: Ohio State's got like four or five rivals above that. Honestly,
they probably hate Michigan State more. Notre Dame. They're probably
even bigger on at this point. They definitely hate Alabama more.
Maybe Florida. Definitely. Floria's kind of lost, I mean twice
in the same year in two different sports. That's it's
a nightmare.
Speaker 2: Douglas assumed Nebraska will go hard on abolition and Kansas
would be settled as a pro slavery state by Missourians, Missourians,
Missourians Missourians. Yeah, thus all said, in any problem that
could arise regarding Nebraska, Douglas was right and its fate
as a free state was locked in. But with Kansas,
the Illinois Senator really overlooked the abolitionist resistance willingness to
fight and turn this into one of the most violent
areas in the country in the name of shifting the
power to the north. I mean, it was a literal
like it's a mini civil war.
Speaker 1: It is a yes, it's a it's a gorilla war
like I war in the middle of the country. Like imagine,
I mean imagine if.
Speaker 2: And we gloss over this. Obviously I went to school
in Pennsylvania. Yeah, in high school and middle school and everything.
We breeze through this. I think I heard the term
bleeding Kansas. You probably did, but like a mini civil war,
we didn't really get into the fucking details. That sounds awesome,
it's pretty sweet. I was like, we should know that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not bad, it's a good time.
Speaker 2: And there's a major player in this. What do you
mean a guy that we know from another event?
Speaker 1: What John Brown?
Speaker 2: John Brown?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we.
Speaker 2: Knew about John Brown's.
Speaker 1: John Brown is another Oh my god, I already talked
to it.
Speaker 2: But we learned like that's the name that is in
every textbook.
Speaker 1: Yes, because of the Harper's Ferry raid. But here's another
fun fact for John Brown and why Kansas is totally
these people are totally full of shit? Is I already
told you they didn't want slaves in there because they
didn't want black people in there at all. One? Two
do you know who the first person? And John Brown's
John Brown and his people killed and the Harper's feriyrade.
Speaker 2: Was was it a slave?
Speaker 1: It was a slave. It was a black man who
would not do what they told him to do. They
blew his brains out. The people trying to free slaves.
As soon as a black man did not comply with
their orders, they blew his fucking brains out. The most
hypocritical thing on earth. Fuck you, fuck you.
Speaker 2: Sounds like a certain side of the aisle these days.
Speaker 1: Like suck my dick, John Brown, and suck my dick, Kansas.
You're not on the right side of the street. And
you know what, I'll get into this rant now because
why not, and I'll just handle it. Be good. I've
told this to so many bitch ass Kansas fans before
who try to use this as some sort of justification
that they're the better side of the miszoo Kansas.
Speaker 2: So, first off, can you even claim John Brown? He's
from Ohio.
Speaker 1: Oh, they claim them. They waive a big picture of
a big picture of them at their basketball game. He's
there for like a cup of coffee. They they he
is a hero to them, the man that murdered a
black man for not doing what he said.
Speaker 2: I'll allow you. I'll give you the floor. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you didn't know that. My favorite favorite part
about Kanson's trying to talk about they have the moral
high ground over Missouri on this, several things, on slavery,
several things. One, Missouri had the third most battles fought
in it in the entire Civil War of any state.
Number one is Virginia by far. Number two is Tennessee.
Number three is Missouri. Per capita, Missouri had more Union
soldiers than any other state. If you go look at
you can buy what's really one thing that's really cool
in Wikipedia, if you can see the order of battle
for like any major battle of the last like two
three hundred years, anyone that like had good record keeping
on there, uh, just on the wars, and this the
US Civil War was one of those. Go look up
the order of battle for like Shiloh or or even
better yet Vicksburg, all right, two of the most important
battles of the Civil War. And by the way, most
Missouri troops fought in the Western theater because we were
the Western theater, right just command F for control f
Whatever you do in your computer, Missouri, you will see
Missouri units up and down the Union order of battle
for Missouri, like Missouri units fighting thousands and thousands of
missouri men fighting on the side of the Union. Then
do that for Kansas. You might find one unit, probably none.
They did not have that many people fighting, so they
might have There might have been some of them, maybe
most of them even that were morally on the right
side of history. But it was like twelve fucking people.
There were more Missourians, quite a bit more Missourians fighting
for the Union than there ever were Kansas. And another thing,
Saint Louis, where I'm from, which is in Missouri, was
a Union stronghold. Saint Lewis kept Missouri in the Union
as a whole. Keeping Saint Louis kept a huge Mississippi
River port, and one of the most important goals in
the entire Civil War was making sure the Confederacy lost
control of the Mississippi so you could slice it in
fucking two, which is why keeping Saint Louis helped the
Union win the war. And who kept Saint Louis Fucking
Missourians and then taking New Orleans in eighteen sixty two
is such a big deal, and then Vicksburg in eighteen
sixty three, which completely shut down the Missipi River and
split the Confederacy in two. You do not. The North
does not win the Civil War. Slaves are not freed
without Missouri. Kansas contributed nothing except some virtue signaling full
fucking stop fuck Kansas. John Brown killed a black guy
because the black guy didn't do what he told them.
Speaker 3: To feel better about yourself, I lot better. Got you hyped,
very low entergy. No, not my first rodeo, glad. I
picked this topic well on this specific day. Get you
fired up.
Speaker 2: So almost instantly after Douglas's Act passes, stilers from both
sides come in droves to establish residency and gain the
right to vote.
Speaker 1: Oh man, you think you think voter frauds a thing now?
Because like some breat like oh Balt Harve was doing
blah blah blah blah blah, people would just go on
voting tourism.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're getting to that.
Speaker 1: Like it fucking bananas. I don't think any election was
real before nineteen hundred.
Speaker 2: Well most of it too, is from I know on
your side.
Speaker 1: I know the border, but that was not new and
it was not exclusive to Missouri.
Speaker 2: The reason I got them on this topic actually is
because I just moved this week and I was gonna
do kind of goofy stories of moving throughout history. And
then I just got somehow onto Bleeding Kansas a rabbit hole.
I'm like, you know what, I'll just I'll cover it
fair enough. I never got to it's a pretty big event.
And like I said off camera before the show, you
just did a slavery episode. I seen we for whatever reason,
the same then with slaves on the mine.
Speaker 1: What was my slavery?
Speaker 2: Don't even remember the guy that wrote that. Yeah, yeah,
not only good, but more people need to be.
Speaker 1: Slaves, way more people need to be slaves.
Speaker 2: Go ahead and check that episode out.
Speaker 1: Most whites.
Speaker 2: President Franklin Pierce's administration appointed territorial officials and factions with
pro slavery views to capture early elections through fraud and
intimidation practices. In November of eighteen fifty four, a group
of thousands of armed pro slavery men known as the
Border Ruffians aka the Southern Yankees, came in from Missouri
to sway the vote for a Congress election of John
Wilkins Whitfield. An investigation a year later found that oney
seven hundred and twenty nine votes were completely fraudulent, compared
to the one thy one hundred and fourteen League votes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so they were more votes than there were.
Speaker 2: People significantly amount. Yeah, yeah, a significant amount of just
completely dog shit.
Speaker 1: Votes, which is funny because again it's like nowadays, you'd
be like, there were we, well a thousand votes that
are suspect in Atlanta out of like the millions people
that live there. But in Missouri or kid Leading, Kansas,
just like two thousand people show up to be like, yeah,
we're from here.
Speaker 2: Election fraud is not new, give us a fucking ballot.
At one poll, only twenty of the six hundred and
four votes were Kansas residents. Like, twenty of the six
hundred and.
Speaker 1: Four votes were legit, you know, considering how easy it
was to move, I think you should be able to
vote back then. Wherever you were at any given moment,
you're allowed to vote.
Speaker 2: I wonder what establishing residency was back then, right, because
there's a lot of kids when I went to ECF,
they weren't from Florida, but they moved there six months
beforehand established residency and they got instituition situation.
Speaker 1: Yep. That was at MISSOO. It was like like all
the Chicago and Dallas kids would stay their first summer
because you had to be there for a year, and
you had to make some minuscule amount of money, so
they would get like a part time job. I mean
it was like Louis. You probably had to make like
ten thousand dollars and then boom, you're Missouri resident. Or
maybe you just had to be employed. Honestly, maybe it
wasn't It wasn't even a cap and so yeah, they
would all do that and then that was for the instituition.
I doubt they gave a shit about voting, although voting
was sweet Missouri back then it was a swing state.
Obama only won Missouri by like three thousand votes the
whole fucking state. Now it's gone, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: The North Fund countered with their own militia group of
free soilers or free staters, the most famous led by
the previously mentioned John Brown, famous black guy killer leve
them worth.
Speaker 1: Ye, famous slave killer John Brown.
Speaker 2: When he moved from Ohio. Society is like the New
England Immigrant Aid Company helped fund Northerners move to Kansas.
Others like Minister Henry Ward Beecher shipped abolitionists thousands of
rifles and creates labeled bibles.
Speaker 1: Yeah, actually, I think I did uh. I don't remember
what I did.
Speaker 2: I believe they're named Beacher Bibles.
Speaker 1: Sick. I love that. I mean there were this was
I did something on the Second Amendment while a while
while ago. It's just like there's you know, people used
to say, like when you have arguments after some horrific
you know, uvol Day or something like that, they'd be like,
you know, there's stuck. An amendment never said you could
own a cannon. And it's like, actually, none of that
ship was regulated for a long time, Like people had
cannons in these like these are private citizens who had
like literal artillery pieces.
Speaker 2: I mean, go to Sae their front yard you know,
k K.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, Sae has the lions. K. You're right, it's
the cannon. Ye. But I'm sure the thousands just random
houses that have a a cannon looks dope in your yard?
What yard doesn't look cooler with a cannon in it?
Speaker 2: And when you see a canon you want to fire it?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah a lot of people say, you see a police officer,
you want to reach for their gun. You see a cannon,
you want to make it go boom?
Speaker 1: Yes, I fully agree. Who doesn't love mortars? That's why
I have a problem with every I can't I can't
pass a VFW without loading a shell into the their
old decommissioned artillery.
Speaker 2: Piece and sending in a blaze.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it never works.
Speaker 2: It's better if that place burns down anyway, the VFW. Yeah,
you don't need a place for alcoholic veterans.
Speaker 1: I always wondered if Civil war veterans weren't invited to
the VFW, like Confederate, no Union, it's veterans of foreign wars.
Speaker 2: Oh, you're right, when was it a stab? It was
probably established way after.
Speaker 1: I just let's just say some civil war veteran just
comes out of the word work.
Speaker 2: It lives to be one hundred and twenty.
Speaker 1: Yes, not allowed in the VFW. Foreign wars only.
Speaker 2: Buddy, you fought here, you went home after day of work,
day of war.
Speaker 1: That's your wife.
Speaker 2: I learned this. The Jayhawk mascot for the University of
Kansas is actually named after the gorilla fighters that sit
up shop in Lawrence and battled the Missouri Raiders during
the conflict.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which is also weird. So here's another reason Kansas
fans are absolute dipshits. So two things about that one again.
They try to talk about how Missouri is the bad guys. Uh,
because some Missourians were fighting the abolitionists in Kansas, all
fucking nine of them, and uh, yeah, sure that's right.
And those Missourians were ussled. So they tried a they're
too stupid to understand. They're like, yeah, you're tigers. You
were named after Missouri fighters, which is true, so like
they were fighting for slavery. Actually, the Missouri Tigers is
named after the local militia in I know, Columbia, Missouri,
the Union militia during these same fucking people that the
Jayhawkers were fighting. Now, what's fun about the Jayhawkers is
that they were also a gorilla group, and they as
a gorilla fighting group. Yes, they were fighting pro slavery forces,
but while doing so often found themselves murdering women and children.
Speaker 2: Yeah it's gonna happen. Yeah, So the.
Speaker 1: Jayhawkers murdered innocent women and children. The Missouri Tigers did not.
Are we sure positive that the local union militia that
just had to grab guns and sit on a wall
and fight off these assholes did not then go out
and kill random women and children. The bushwhackers, the Missouri
bushwhackers did, were not called the bushwhackers the Kansas Jayhawkers did.
They're called the Jayhawkers, or they're called the Jayhawks.
Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing, Rob, there's not gonna be future
pro slavery terrorists if you get rid of them.
Speaker 1: I just want to know what the Venn diagram and
how much of a singular fucking circle it is from
a dipshit Kansas fan that thinks that it's okay for
Jayhawkers to kill innocent women and children who are Missourians,
but pms about an Israeli bomb landing in the wrong place,
because man, I bet it's a fucking circle.
Speaker 2: This is also the first I'm hearing of it. So
my source is you just trust me, bro Just trust me, Broka.
The jay Hawkers committed war anti Kansas, then both sides.
Speaker 1: Both sides committed war crimes. But unlike Kansas, which was
really only the one thing, Missouri was like two. There
were two different sides within Missouri itself. And by the way,
Missouri stayed in the Union.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but Kansas never answers for their crimes. Look at
Bill self.
Speaker 1: I know they never did, never get called out for shit.
Speaker 2: The FBI was investigating in the our program for the
Adidas shit.
Speaker 1: Nothing.
Speaker 2: I think NC State got hit with some violations.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Probably, it was like a trickle down, absolute dog shit.
March thirtieth, eighteen fifty five, Kansas holds its first territorial
legislature that would decide on whether or not they would
be pro slavery state or not. Thirty seven of the
thirty nine states were won by Democratic pro slave delegates.
Martin F. Conway and Sam D. Houston were the only
free standers elected. I'm not sure. I didn't look into this.
If this is the Sam Houston. Uh no, it wouldn't
be wouldn't make sense, right, No, that's what you're gonna
be gonna.
Speaker 1: Put the d Yeah, Sam Houston was still in Texas,
or maybe he was dead at that point. Because one
of them, either Sam Houston or Stephen F. Austin, I
can't remember which one, they were vehemently against Texas seceeding
in eighteen sixty one. They were like, fuck that. No,
we're part of the United States of America. We're not succeeding.
We just fucking joined it. We just joined it. And
then they got booted, booted out of their real out
of the governorship real fast. But I can't. I can't
remember which we had.
Speaker 2: Okay, it's like me crediting Michael B. Jordan with six titles. Yeah,
that's not right, So gotta gotta put that d in.
The Houston free Staters cried fraud. The territorial governor Andrew
Reader offered up a rather inconsequential peace offering. I was
just running back elections of eleven of those seats. This time.
The free Staters won eight of the eleven, but when
the dust settled, it was still an overwhelming twenty nine
to ten majority in the pro slavery camp m So
it's like, why the fuck do we even have new elections?
Speaker 1: Sounds like Kansas did want slaves. The new kept voting.
Speaker 2: Vote legislator then immediately invalidated those results from the special
election as just the fuck you to Free Staters. So
even though they had the overwhelming majority twenty nine to ten,
they then invalided the eight new Freestaters like no, you can't,
you can't join us. Yeah, it's like my dick, And
they gave those seats back to the Southern sympathizers and
moved the territorial capital to the Missouri border.
Speaker 1: I mean, to this day, the only part of Kansas
that is meaningful at all is attached to Missouri. Kansas City,
kseyk Overland Park, Shawnee Mission. I mean, I guess, I
mean even fucking Lawrence is like a suburb of Kansas City. Basically,
it's thirty minutes west of KSEK.
Speaker 2: A fan of Topeka.
Speaker 1: No, that's a shithole.
Speaker 2: I enjoyed my time in Manhattan.
Speaker 1: I'm sure I've heard Mahon's kind of fun. I've heard
okay things about Whichita. I have been to Topeka, though,
and Topeka is dog shit.
Speaker 2: I drove past it. It didn't look great.
Speaker 1: No, I stayed there. We stayed there one night when
my family did on a drive to Colorado for vacation,
because we drove everywhere, because we're fucking Midwesterns.
Speaker 2: Freestaders in response, began assembling their own legislator in Topeka elected.
Speaker 1: Oh oh oh alternate electors who's the real voter.
Speaker 2: Fraud, elected Charles L. Robinson as their governor, and proclaimed
themselves the legitimate governing body of the territory. President Pierce
responded to all this by firing the original appointee, Andrew
reader and replacing him with a more hardline pro slave
guy Wilson. Shannon got to keep the back of the
territorial governor, gotta keep the balance.
Speaker 1: So Pierce is after Polk and before Buchanan.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: Now, Polk, as we've established, is one of the greatest
presidents in American history.
Speaker 2: Pierce is kind of a ship bag.
Speaker 1: Pierce and Buchanan dog shit.
Speaker 2: Bu Canan really is the worst president of all time.
Like it's not even up for debate, isn't far from it.
Speaker 1: So what's funny is Buchanan's the goat of dog shit,
but the vote, but yeah, the whoe, he's the vote.
But Pierce. The two other guys right around that time,
Pierce and then after right after Lincoln Andrew Johnson are
like bottom seven. Like they're both right fucking there.
Speaker 2: It's a bad time for presidents with one two exceptions.
But then we have like the best in Lincoln. He
a sends and you also you love Polk.
Speaker 1: He only served one term because he accomplished everything he
said he was gonna do. I hold a special place
in my heart for presidents who do certain things. One
is expand the territory and to not this is not
in order. One and his expand the territory, and the
other is give up power when they don't have to.
Speaker 2: I'm not totally sure about this, but I think Coolidge
did it as well.
Speaker 1: What.
Speaker 2: I think he only ran one term after obviously he
takes over office because oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Harden dies.
But Coolidge I think only runs for one term. He
was still eligible for four more years. I think he
declines it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's because he liked Teddy Roosevelt, who did this
a little before, although he kind of went back on
it because he ran again in the Bull Moose Party.
But Roosevelt took over very early in McKinley's term and
served that whole thing after McKinley was killed and then
was re elected, and he served like seven ish years
as president. But he could have run again because he's
only elected once. But he was like, no, I've served,
you know, almost as long as Washington did. I don't
want to do it. He gave up power. Grant he
ran again eventually, but he gave up power, and so
Polk was like, I did everything I accomplished to do.
I don't need to be in this office anymore.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Colidge said he chose not to run nineteen twenty eight,
remarking that ten years as president will be longer than
any other man had done it, and it was too long.
Speaker 1: Yep, I huge respect for anyone that does that giving
up power. That is one of the great hallmarks of
American democracy.
Speaker 2: And an FDR just like, Yeah, Yolo's totally took that
statement and wiped his ass.
Speaker 1: But he totally wiped his ass with it. Now, there's
a couple others that, at least one that I know
that tried, which is Grant, who I do think is
a good president, but that is kind of a flaw.
He wanted to run again and the Republicans were just
kind of over his administration. So they're like now and
I think I am personally of the opinion. We're gonna
talk about him on our Patreon this week. Woodrow Wilson.
I'm of the opinion if his brain didn't break that
he definitely would have tried to go for a third term.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Wilson gets a lot of hate, some of it
is deserved, but he really they kind of sweep under
the rug everything that gets accomplished under Wilson.
Speaker 1: Oh, we're actually gonna talk about that today, but in
the reverse, so.
Speaker 2: You're gonna you're gonna throw more dirt on his name.
Speaker 1: No, it's essentially like who which which I? This is
how I open the episode.
Speaker 2: Wilson had so much foresight that he doesn't get credit for.
With Germany, and after World War One he warned the French, like,
do not do not sanction Germany, do not do all
these things that you're gonna only create a monster.
Speaker 1: We'll get into that. Well, we will definitely get into that.
But what I was gonna say with Wilson is that,
like he's like, who should is my my my dilemma
is who should you hate the most as a president?
The one who's just the worst or the one who's
the most frustrating. Like it's like what athlete on your
team do you hate the most?
Speaker 2: It's that there was a lot of meat on that bone.
Speaker 1: It's yeah, but it's never the worst guy, because at
some point, the worst guy it's not his fault.
Speaker 2: It's forgettable.
Speaker 1: It's it's not his fault for being there either, So.
Speaker 2: It's unrealized potential.
Speaker 1: Right, it's the guy who you like plays like a
Heisman contender one series and then just like shits his
pants the next and you're like, what are you doing?
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Speaker 2: In November eighteen fifty five, pro slavery settler Franklin Coleman
shot and killed free State Charles W. Dal who he
had a long run and feud with. Douglas County Sheriff
Samuel J. Jones ignored the obvious evidence and arrested another.
Speaker 1: Free for the murder.
Speaker 2: So corrupt, this is this kind of goes down as
the first violent act of bleeding Kansas. Yeah, but it's
kind of funny that he just like nah, probably like
saw the man shoot him in cold blood, oh, in
the street.
Speaker 1: That was the evident. And by the way, that's a
terrifying prospect to be arrested for that murder because like
they'll hang you two days later. Like there's there's no
like if you got arrested for murder today, you would
not face sentencing for like a year and a half
if you had to go to trial and everything, and
you were even if you were innocent, you know, it
would take a while.
Speaker 2: A polse if Freestaters attempted to rescue their fossely accused
abolitionist Governor Wilson Shannon called for the Kansas Militia, and
we had ourselves the first armed conflict between settlers outside
of Lawrence.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, who were these abolitionists fighting.
Speaker 2: A militia, the Kansas Militia.
Speaker 1: Oh well, I.
Speaker 2: Was sent by Governor Wilson Shannon.
Speaker 1: I was led to believe that every single human being
in Kansas was against slavery, and these mean old Missourians
crossed the border and said slavery now that's what I
was led to believe.
Speaker 2: There were some Missouri guys.
Speaker 1: I didn't know that a single person that lived inside
of that dumb fucking rectangle might not have liked black
people that much. God, I hate these fucking people. Keep going.
Speaker 2: Charles L. Robinson raised his own Free Stater militia and
this was ultimately a hold me back bro off.
Speaker 1: So no, not a lot.
Speaker 2: Happens, although the free Sitters did take another l as.
The only casualty of the conflict is Thomas Barber, the
guy originally killed. No, it's a different guy. He gets shot,
and I guess they don't respond. They just let one
of their guys get shot and die. Butter not do that, cud,
But yeah, who's the one. They're just kind of like, dude,
we're gonna fuck you up. No, we're gonna fuck you up.
Speaker 1: The most tedious fucking people man Like, yes, obviously slavery
is wrong, but like everything Kansons say about their little
moral high ground bullshit, just no it No.
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, Congress sends a special kind of a committee to
conclude that the elections the year prior we're totally fraudulent.
Speaker 1: Like every single one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so in July eighteen fifty six, committee concluded the
elections have been limited if if they had been limited
to actual residents of the Kansas Territory, the free Standers
would have won the majority of the seats.
Speaker 1: I don't even understand how they could check that paper
paper ballots due. I guess man that had That's a
lot of work.
Speaker 2: Took a year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Apparently May twenty first, eighteen fifty six, Border Ruffians invaded
Lawrence and bird down the Free State Hotel.
Speaker 1: Led by William Quandrill.
Speaker 2: Destroyed two local pro abolitionist newspapers, and pillaged homes and
stores in town. This became known as the Sacking of Lawrence.
So you wanna apologize for that at least?
Speaker 1: Uh? No, M Can I show you the T shirt
they were selling before the two thousand and seven Uh
missoo ku rivalry? Again? That was like the biggest one
in the rivalry? What was it?
Speaker 2: Because Kansas was number two in the country at that point.
Speaker 1: And we were we were number three or number four.
Whoever won was going to be right number one in
the country based on the other.
Speaker 2: You were under the impression, oh, we're going to the natty,
I who win this.
Speaker 1: No, we were still whoever you weren't, you had still
to be ou in the Big twelve Championship. But whoever
won that game was good, so good about yourself was
going to be in the Big twelve Championship the next week.
And uh, and then play. If they won that game,
they would be they would be unambiguously in the Nationalamions shop. Anyway,
this is the shirt that was sold.
Speaker 2: Let me look at it. I'll put it on the
screen right now, scoreboard. Uh, it's a Missouri shirt of
just Lawrence burning down.
Speaker 1: Yes, love it, don't care? Love it?
Speaker 2: You know, I think enough time passed?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Why not?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: A canon used during the Mexican American War called the
Old Kickapoo or Kickapoo cannon was stolen and used on
that day by a pro slavery group, including the Kickapoo
Rangers of the Kansas Territorial Militia.
Speaker 1: Oh the Wedding Who It.
Speaker 2: Was later recovered by an anti slavery faction and returned
to the city of Leavenworth. We mentioned John Brown again.
In response to the sacking of Lawrence. Brown and his sons,
along with some followers, snatched five pro slavery men from
their homes in potatomy? Is that right?
Speaker 1: Let me look at like can you can you show
me the word? I don't remember how.
Speaker 2: P O T T A W A T O M
I E.
Speaker 1: That's probably if I had to guess.
Speaker 2: No, PoTA what tomyo?
Speaker 1: Sure? Why not? I don't know?
Speaker 2: That sounds better? Actually, so they took five dudes from
their home and just hack them to death with broad swords.
Speaker 1: Yeah? Uh, Now were they alone in their homes?
Speaker 2: No, No, they weren't. They didn't murder them in their
homes though, they ambushed them, abducted them, brought him I think,
all it into a group, and then just slashed them.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Wow, that sounds like, by the way, that's a
little war crime. But I'm sure John Brown is a
great guy. Keep flying him at your fucking batsketball games,
you dip shit.
Speaker 2: Brown also led forces into little skirmishes in the Battle
of Blackjack and Battle of Ohso with toy What is
with these fucking names between his anti slavery group and
Democrats before ultimately fleeing Kansas all together and head into Virginia.
Speaker 1: By the way, the Harper's Ferry raid. Do you know
who was against that? Frederick Douglas. He was like, John Brown, look,
we must do this. No all rise up, And Frederick
Douglas was like, that's fucking dumb. Don't do that. It
will not work. You will lose. No one will rise up.
Speaker 2: Gonna hurt the cause.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it did hurt the cause.
Speaker 2: Also in May of eighteen fifty six, this is what
really sold me on the topic and has nothing really
to do with Kansas. Yeah, Massachusetts Republican Charles Sumner went
on an anti slavery tirade on the Senate floor and
compared what was happening in Kansas to the rape of
a virgin.
Speaker 1: H Yeah, sure, dude, totally.
Speaker 2: He was nearly beaten to death two days later with
a cane by South Carolinian Congressman pressed In Brooks.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Brooks was then praised by Democrats for his actions.
Speaker 1: I love that. I just bring back beatings on the
floor like there was just a fight it with. This
video went viral like the other day.
Speaker 2: If you want to let me get through though, okay
the rest of this, because we're not done yet, okay.
Fellow Democrats then wore pieces of the Brooken cane in
necklaces to show solidarity with Brooks pro slavery newspapers said
abolitionist in Kansas and every other territory needed to be
lashed into submission, and hundreds of Southerners sent Brooks new
canes with the inscriptions that said, hit him again. We
think politics are bad.
Speaker 1: Now, yeah it's yeah, never it's never been good.
Speaker 2: So go ahead, you can just want to get through that.
Speaker 1: That one one child.
Speaker 2: The people send it in games and just say here
you go, nono the lash.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to see the ages of the people he
killed with the Potawatommy massacre. They did kidnap one child,
but I'm pretty sure, like it was not all over
the age of eighteen that they killed. If I had
to guess, you.
Speaker 2: Weren't a man at eighteen back then, you were like
a man at fifteen. Sure, sure it'd grew out faster.
Speaker 1: Oh, they were gonna kill a sixteen year old, but
the mother pleaded for his life and they're like, all right,
we won't do it.
Speaker 2: And you really hate John Brown. I've never seen this
rage come out.
Speaker 1: It's just like there's just a lot of hypocrisy around him.
Like he's not a hero, he's a he's a domestic terrorist.
Who killed five unarmed men. Wow, hooray for you. And
then when again a fucking slave wouldn't do as the
white man commanded, they killed him. What's even the point
of view.
Speaker 2: If you're not gonna go with my cause you're my enemy, suck.
Speaker 1: My dick, dude. And it was like a little thing too.
They're like open this door, and he was like, I
don't know you I property wise, like I can't let
you if something like that, and they were just like, yeah,
I don't have time.
Speaker 2: It was like a lot, like I don't have the
key man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like it's just I'll have to I have to
look closer because I've read it in a while. I
haven't i haven't been in this argument in a while.
But they did like it's just pure hypocrisy.
Speaker 2: The last major violent outbreak was in eighteen fifty eight,
when border Ruffians killed five Free Staters. In total, about
fifty six people died during this time period, known as
Bluing Kansas. Pearce was then succeeded by James Buchanan, who
was very much sympathetic to the pro slavery cause. He
refused to acknowledge the Kansas Constitution written by the free
staters in Dopeka. He then personally endorsed the constitution written
by the pro slavery group in Lacompton. A third, more
radical free state constitution came out of Levenworth. It would
extend the right to vote to every man regardless of race.
None of these went through, and ultimately the constitution was
drafted in Windott I don't know. That was still anti slavery,
and it became law of the land as Kansas was
admitted in eighteen sixty one as a free state.
Speaker 1: A useless, empty free state did nothing to help free
any slaves in any meaningful way.
Speaker 2: So the free soilers and free standers ultimately went out
despite all the corruption by you border ruffians.
Speaker 1: That's not my statustate. Uh yeah, I mean, look that
obviously being an abolitionist is the quote right side of history.
But like they just it was like a whole the
whole thing was like a virtue signal. Like it did
not it had like political impact in so much as
that it pissed off people on both sides and maybe
sped up the Civil War happening, But like they contributed
nothing in any meaningful way to actually like freeing a
single slave. And again I mean John Brown, I guess
got one slave out of chains into the into the ground.
Speaker 2: Who knows if you actually let them out of the chains.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, who knows.
Speaker 2: I might have just executed them.
Speaker 1: But it is just like and like those people like
the Jayhawkers stuff, like absolutely committed war crimes. John Brown
absolutely committed war crimes. Was not.
Speaker 2: Can we sell the Jayhawk, the rock chalk Jayhawk with
just the war criminal shirt?
Speaker 1: They literally are I like, I don't know how it's
it's not something to be valorized like at all. Really,
I it's crazy that. I mean, I don't want any
people to change their name or whatever, but it is
just like, no, your history.
Speaker 2: It is a dope mascot. Though I like the logo.
Speaker 1: It's a stupid, dumb fakeer bird.
Speaker 2: It looks good man, it's a classic.
Speaker 1: Little room shoes. It's weird.
Speaker 2: It looks much better than the Missouri Tiger.
Speaker 1: I yeah, I can't say, I mean unless you go.
Speaker 2: I mean your guys Sailor logo.
Speaker 1: Obviously it's a class everyone likes. Yeah, you just throw
a little sailor hat on any logo looks good. I mean,
I am not a huge fan of our mascot or
or colors just in general, because it's like black and
gold is kind of whatever and everyone's a tiger.
Speaker 2: Disagree. I disagree with the colors you like the Yeah,
black have.
Speaker 1: The same ones. Yeah, I'm jealous of like Auburn's colors
or Florida's color. I like the blue and orange, go go.
Speaker 2: To Boise then, I love those. Those are great colors.
Speaker 1: Ku is kind of whatever to me because it's red, white,
and blue, which everyone has those, like, it's a super
common Yeah, the ant to yellow, it's fine, but it's
just everyone has that. I kind of like the I
like Michigan's colors a lot. Like love Michigan's colors. I
think Georgia's colors suck.
Speaker 2: Okay, I don't really dig any orange and black colors.
It's like an Oregon state.
Speaker 1: Halloween a time that sucks. I don't like black as
a color in general. I do.
Speaker 2: I know you don't, because you're like the plamboyant you
like the pop the easter egg type fellow.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, absolutely, Actually you know whose colors I fucking
truly don't. I don't think I think Alabama has shitty colors.
Speaker 2: No, I like it. I like just any of those
classic unal forms, very simple.
Speaker 1: Their uniforms are great. But as a fan to wear
the colors, I don't love it.
Speaker 2: What would you I guess what would be your choice? Then?
Would just be Auburn colors? You want to be the
Auburn Tigers, you know what?
Speaker 1: Actually I'd go Florida, like they're brighter. Okay, but I
do think Tennessee is too bright.
Speaker 2: There's a happy media. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. I
think the answer is pretty obvious with who you're gonna say,
but who is today's hitler Kansas? I thought you're gonna say,
John Brown, Oh.
Speaker 1: John Brown, Kansas. All of it hypocrites?
Speaker 2: All you learned anything in today?
Speaker 1: No? I knew it fairly like well versed in this.
I was not arguments alone that I've gotten it. I
was not alone you know, history or whatever being I
learned the Ark was a militia group, a fighting group.
Yeah yeah, yep. Which is a good mascot. It's unique,
Like I I will say this, it is like without
knowing any meaning of it, it is a good mascot,
like I one hundred percent. It is unique. It is
a great mascot. Uh even though I like to make
fun of it. But yeah, the whole The only that
drives me crazy is they try to act like they're
morally superior in some way, and it's just like, no,
you're awful at history, which is not surprising because all
you need to get into KU is a Kansas high
school diploma, I believe it or not. Not a great
high school system for that state.
Speaker 2: Oh, you're really shocking me. The Midwest doesn't have gray schools.
Speaker 1: No, No, we don't. No, I mean, Missouri's not great.
You know. That's why most of Saint Louis goes to private.
Speaker 2: It's either does the South.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that's like California, New York, a couple other
East Coast.
Speaker 2: Obviously the schooling system unfortunately, thoughse are brothers in Awaye.
Speaker 1: You don't need to read when your country's that beautiful,
I know, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: It's like you're gonna go work into resort anyway.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just enjoy it, enjoy life. You want to read
a book. No math, you don't need a no math,
you live on a beach.
Speaker 2: I think South Carolina is the second worst state. They
don't really have an excuse. South Carolina is South Carolina's
just the bane of arth.
Speaker 1: Carolina really skates by on just not being Mississippi or Alabama.
Speaker 2: Because it's it's cool. They have Charleston.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they have Charleston, so gorgeous architecture, a lot of history.
They've got beaches like you take away Charleston and the beach,
and South Carolina is worse than Mississippi.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but no, Missippi is terrible. Missippi's gone awful. Yeah,
it's the worst fucking state in the Union tonight, easily
by far. Yeah. I'd rather live in Alaska than Mississippi.
Speaker 1: Feel fretey to tweet at me at Rob Fox three
if you disagreed with any takes I had here today.
Speaker 2: I'm sure there's plenty.
Speaker 1: And I will slap you down, especially if you're a
KU fan.
Speaker 2: I will answer for none of Rob's take that said,
go ahead and check out the Patreon picture on dot com.
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you Apple. Uh, that would help tremendously. That's how you
move up to the charts and software history for merch uh.
I think we're gonna try to work on some stuff there,
but we'll see.
Speaker 1: We have. We talked about it offline cover, but I
want to do a series of history dad shirts and hats,
Civil War Dad, Rome Dad, Ancient Rome Dad, World War
Two Dad.
Speaker 2: We'll figure it out.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Anyway, thanks for tuning in for Rob Fox. I'm Dan
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