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Speaker 2: I'm Cold Connor and I'm Adam Ramsey. This is where
Speaker 2: we talk, shop, ask questions.
Speaker 3: Tell stories, and laugh some laughs about being creators as.
Speaker 2: Well as consumers of adult content. We love watching too,
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Speaker 1: The LGBTQ community. So strap on and strap in.
Speaker 3: And here we go. Welcome back, everybody. Sorry for asking.
Speaker 3: I'm Cold Connor.
Speaker 1: I'm Adam Ramsey. Hi, col Hi, how's it going.
Speaker 3: I'm doing great. I'm like, it's so jittery. I'm like,
Speaker 3: had so much coffee.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'm not yet. I'm hanging in there. It
Speaker 2: is a Monday today. I usually don't film on Monday. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: well you did. I had a hot talk last night.
Speaker 2: I went for it. Whatever.
Speaker 1: I don't have the jitters yet.
Speaker 2: You advised me to maybe take a little bit of
Speaker 2: an adderall before this recording, but so no jitters yet.
Speaker 2: But here I am. I'm doing good.
Speaker 1: It's a stark difference in weather.
Speaker 2: Today from the last time we were here when it
Speaker 2: was hundreds of degrees.
Speaker 1: So I'm feeling good. I'm happy to be here.
Speaker 3: You just did some say uncle shoot.
Speaker 2: I did my first ever say uncle shoots. They went
Speaker 2: pretty well, it was I was. It was a little
Speaker 2: weird going into it because I didn't know how we
Speaker 2: were going to film two scenes in the same day
Speaker 2: with the same scene partners.
Speaker 1: But it ended up going well, I don't know that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I told you, that's been my experience. It's like
Speaker 3: they're shorter.
Speaker 1: They're shorter.
Speaker 2: Yeah, once you get through the setup and it's three
Speaker 2: days in a row, right, Well, it was going to
Speaker 2: be three and ended up being two and I had
Speaker 2: a break in between, so it was fine. Yeah, it
Speaker 2: was a I did Young Purpse and Pig Bottoms.
Speaker 3: I love this. Yeah, well it's like dad creep is
Speaker 3: what I've done. Oh really, they just like a horrible
Speaker 3: city of course, father not real father. Yeah, and you
Speaker 3: have to say a stepfather has to be a stepfather
Speaker 3: times in the scre our guest knows all about it.
Speaker 3: But let's bring her in. Yes please, it's our second
Speaker 3: lady on the show. I mean fourth if you count
Speaker 3: our moms, well second, our second, our second working.
Speaker 1: In this email in the industry.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, oh yeah, we had.
Speaker 1: Cooper as well. Yeah, yeah, all.
Speaker 3: Right, well, our guest is the winner of the twenty
Speaker 3: twenty four Ex Biz Gay Director of the Year, none
Speaker 3: other than Susie c.
Speaker 4: Hi, Susie Up, thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: I love the look today. These earrings, this head head wrap.
Speaker 1: Is that a bandana call?
Speaker 5: It's like a fisting band in If you look closely,
Speaker 5: there's like butt plugs and like, oh.
Speaker 1: My god, is fisting.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, right, look at you hanky code schooling the
Speaker 2: gays on the hanky code from San Francisco.
Speaker 1: Come on.
Speaker 3: Now, when we were waiting to come in here, you
Speaker 3: are looking on your phone and you're like, oh, she
Speaker 3: flip full on fists him.
Speaker 1: Yes, I love it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're gonna we're going to talk about the him
Speaker 2: mentioned in a moment. But in the meantime, I just
Speaker 2: want to ask some questions about your background.
Speaker 5: You're from San Francisco, I'm from Central California. I'm really
Speaker 5: from Monterey, California. But then, as you know, San Francisco
Speaker 5: is just like the city you go to as a
Speaker 5: teenager and do bad things. So eventually, post college, I
Speaker 5: went to school up in the Northwest at University of Oregon,
Speaker 5: Go Ducks.
Speaker 4: But then after touring around the country for.
Speaker 5: A couple of years, I decided to settle more or
Speaker 5: less in San Francisco because I get a job at
Speaker 5: the Lusty Lady, the Late Great, her own unionized peep show,
Speaker 5: and that began my journey into the industry.
Speaker 1: Wow, awesome when was that?
Speaker 5: That was two thousand and nine, which was a crazy
Speaker 5: time to get into the industry because it was post
Speaker 5: two thousand and eight recessions. So if you go watch Hustlers,
Speaker 5: the JLO movie about stripping and robbing people, it's pretty
Speaker 5: not that I ever romped, but it was a definite
Speaker 5: specific point of view and timeline.
Speaker 4: In the industry for sure.
Speaker 1: Oh interesting, Yeah, so you did peep shows.
Speaker 4: I did peep shows.
Speaker 1: Which are they different from strip shows?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 1: Okay, tell us about it.
Speaker 3: What does a peep show?
Speaker 5: So you've seen the Madonna music video Open your Heart right, Yes,
Speaker 5: So there's like that's a peep show. You see her
Speaker 5: like going in and there's the glass between the patron
Speaker 5: and the performer. There's no touching, like, there's no even
Speaker 5: breathing the same air.
Speaker 4: Very totally. I would have loved it during cover. It
Speaker 4: was super fun and you know, people would I'm in
Speaker 4: to like a little booth.
Speaker 5: You all have probably been to like a regular adult
Speaker 5: video booth, but instead of a video, it's a screen
Speaker 5: that comes up and there's girls behind on a little
Speaker 5: stage and they're all like gay, punk rock, lefty girls.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so we're having the best time in there. I
Speaker 4: learned so much about myself.
Speaker 5: So it's more like yeah, and we would rotate like
Speaker 5: every I think, almost like fifteen minutes. So it wasn't
Speaker 5: like in a strip club you go up and do
Speaker 5: a three song set and then you're hustling dances until
Speaker 5: it's your turn again. This was very different because it
Speaker 5: was worker owned, it was unionized, so we were really
Speaker 5: trying to make it the most equitable we could, and
Speaker 5: so there was kind of a constant rotation. So you're
Speaker 5: in the peep show kind of slowly gyrating, and then
Speaker 5: you're trying to also negotiate because we all know in
Speaker 5: the adult industry.
Speaker 4: It's a sales job for sure, and it's.
Speaker 5: About getting leads on the stage and then closing those sales.
Speaker 5: But you're like screaming behind the glass like hi feet,
Speaker 5: you like, beat's.
Speaker 3: Did it?
Speaker 1: And would they tip? Oh yeah, okay?
Speaker 4: And also you have to keep putting money in to
Speaker 4: keep the window open.
Speaker 1: I see, I see, okay, cool?
Speaker 2: And would you interact with the performers interact with each
Speaker 2: other or is it more just like showing.
Speaker 4: Off a little bit?
Speaker 5: But we also had booths for that, so like main stage,
Speaker 5: not so much except on special occasions.
Speaker 4: But then we had the Private Pleasures booth.
Speaker 5: And if you want to read about the Private Pleasures booth,
Speaker 5: I learned about it through Carol Queen's book Real Live
Speaker 5: Nude Girl, which she also worked there, you know, in
Speaker 5: the earlier days in like the nineties. But again you're
Speaker 5: still behind glass. But that's like your version of a
Speaker 5: lap dance area. And that's where I got my kink education.
Speaker 1: Oh sure, okay.
Speaker 4: So you had you know, it's up from the financial district,
Speaker 4: so you're having high powered businessmen come in with their.
Speaker 5: Briefcases that is full of dildos and maybe the lingerie
Speaker 5: clamps of sorts.
Speaker 4: So I learned a lot by.
Speaker 3: I got how long did you do that for?
Speaker 5: Like to like about a year and a half a
Speaker 5: year and a half, and then I started to do
Speaker 5: other types of sex work.
Speaker 1: Had you done anything like that before?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 5: I had dabbled with amateur porn when I was in
Speaker 5: college with my my poor partner who is now an accountant.
Speaker 5: Very normal life, but bless their heart, helping me on
Speaker 5: the journey. And then I had done some like you know,
Speaker 5: I'm from Monterey and so like sugaring is definitely a
Speaker 5: vibe in the land of Pebble Beach, and like sugar dating.
Speaker 1: Like you know, yes, yeah, yeah, sugar civil service.
Speaker 4: With less pay and a little bit more like sugar.
Speaker 1: Okay, Oh my god, I love it.
Speaker 4: So I've done like everything, Okay, yeah.
Speaker 3: So when did you start performing? Like in studio?
Speaker 5: That was around that same time because the reason I
Speaker 5: wanted the job and the lusty Lady because it was
Speaker 5: the first job I'd ever had that was like, hey,
Speaker 5: you can go on tour with your band and then
Speaker 5: like come back and still have a job. So as
Speaker 5: an artist and an activist, I was like, oh, yeah, this.
Speaker 1: Is the spot, this is where I have to You
Speaker 1: were in a band, I was.
Speaker 4: Tour managing for bands.
Speaker 5: I was going on tour like every couple months or sure,
Speaker 5: different different groups. I loved it and even though it
Speaker 5: was exhausting and horrible anyways.
Speaker 4: But I love that freedom. No other job had been like, no,
Speaker 4: you're a person first, and then this is just how
Speaker 4: you person harder. We're not here to get in the
Speaker 4: way of that. We're here to facilitate that.
Speaker 5: And I was like, oh, sorry, Papyrus retail job, I
Speaker 5: am now. So in and out of those spaces we
Speaker 5: had people who were doing porn, like queer porn was
Speaker 5: very hot in the moment, No Foe and Courtney Trouble
Speaker 5: was doing her thing. And then of course the King
Speaker 5: dot Com armory was like just beginning its rise.
Speaker 3: Did either of you every Yeah, I didn't start until
Speaker 3: it was over, that's right. I started in twenty twenty,
Speaker 3: That's what I thought.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the baby, Yeah, I lived like five blocks from
Speaker 2: there for a couple of years.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So that's why it was just like anytime they needed
Speaker 2: somebody to be.
Speaker 1: Like, hey, we must run into it in that it
Speaker 1: had to happen.
Speaker 4: The first time I met you, I was like, yes.
Speaker 1: He looks familiar.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I still yeah, I still love those scenes.
Speaker 3: I have some of those favorite and the like straight ones.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I get many comments on them.
Speaker 5: Did you ever get to go to like the naked combat?
Speaker 5: It was like a Friday night Lights thing. They would
Speaker 5: have the naked combat you know matches, Yeah, with.
Speaker 2: Like an actual live audience. Yeah, I had heard about him.
Speaker 2: I was invited, I think, to be a part of
Speaker 2: one of my I never did it. I never went
Speaker 2: for it.
Speaker 5: Girls weren't allowed, so I was never allowed to go,
Speaker 5: which is very rude.
Speaker 2: That was also a different time. I feel like maybe
Speaker 2: now would be a little more totally.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and they have the straight version was called Ultimate Surrender,
Speaker 5: and that was girl on girl and so I got
Speaker 5: to go to those.
Speaker 4: Those were fun.
Speaker 1: And who were in the audience for those? Everybody Okay, okay.
Speaker 4: Nice straight whatever. What a weird time.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so you experienced stuff at the Armory I did.
Speaker 5: That's where I shot some of my first like I
Speaker 5: guess the most like more mainstream when I started doing
Speaker 5: stuff that was like more than just amateur.
Speaker 2: Okay, were you more in the dom or sub position
Speaker 2: in these scenes?
Speaker 5: It's so funny, I think, like most people start out
Speaker 5: as a sub So what were my first I can't
Speaker 5: even remember what my Oh yeah, my first one was
Speaker 5: Oh my god, with Claire Adams, such an amazing BDSM practitioner.
Speaker 5: I was so honored to shoot with her. I'm like
Speaker 5: a major leather nerd.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 5: It's such a fangirl of I was already bondage modeling.
Speaker 5: I was already going to kink events and getting tied
Speaker 5: up and rip my first Sir jack Hammer he has
Speaker 5: now passed, and but he came up to me at
Speaker 5: bondage of Go Go one night and was like, you
Speaker 5: want to get tied up? That sort of began at all,
Speaker 5: and he was modeling there and so I shot with
Speaker 5: Claire Adams for Device Bondage and like my second scene,
Speaker 5: I was like, I would love to do a suspension
Speaker 5: and anal. No one talked to me about a SEO,
Speaker 5: like why do I smell my name like that? Because
Speaker 5: it looked good on the strip club white Bord that
Speaker 5: was by CEO at the time.
Speaker 1: I'm very old, but.
Speaker 5: Yeah, no one was like, hey, you should start out
Speaker 5: with girl girl and then you should like save anal
Speaker 5: for like your second year, and then.
Speaker 1: Like no one was really I don't know anything about this.
Speaker 3: Well, even like even guys in only Fans, the straight
Speaker 3: guys that I've shot with are like they build up
Speaker 3: to like no condom or like they're like they only
Speaker 3: do oral and then they only do like condo sex
Speaker 3: and then they're.
Speaker 1: Like just so like wow, because give it away, right yeah.
Speaker 3: And like when I started doing studio porn, I was
Speaker 3: a Falcon exclusive and I'd been one for a few months,
Speaker 3: and I was talking to Tony DeMarco and he was like,
Speaker 3: he's like, yeah, usually, I mean a lot of times
Speaker 3: we'd let guys just like top for a while and
Speaker 3: then so that it's like a big reveal when when
Speaker 3: they bought them for the first time and he was
Speaker 3: like you just He's like, you just did it all
Speaker 3: right away.
Speaker 5: I think that's like, well, I mean because some of
Speaker 5: my first experiences were either like amateur sort of community driven,
Speaker 5: they were driven by my interest in sexuality, not my
Speaker 5: desire to succeed in a capitalistic healthcape.
Speaker 4: But I think that like the sort.
Speaker 5: Of the ladder of engagement if you live in to
Speaker 5: use a marketing term for sex work, it's a very capitalist,
Speaker 5: business driven thought process, whereas I think the three of
Speaker 5: us clearly were like we just.
Speaker 1: Want to have some fun. Yeah, like have some fun,
Speaker 1: make some money, right yeah, journey wow. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: even know why I haven't thought.
Speaker 3: About it that way before that there is strateause you
Speaker 3: had an interest in doing it already, Like you didn't,
Speaker 3: you weren't. You were just doing it to have a
Speaker 3: good time and like have sex with people that maybe
Speaker 3: you wouldn't get to have sex with unless you are
Speaker 3: filming it totally.
Speaker 4: And the space that gets created, that's what I love.
Speaker 5: So, as I mentioned, I've done almost like every type
Speaker 5: of sex work for the most part, from actual strip
Speaker 5: clubs to the nearly.
Speaker 4: Extinct deep show. But porn is hands down my favorite.
Speaker 5: Is it absolutely both as a performer and as a
Speaker 5: producer director now because it's like you a, I come
Speaker 5: from a production family and background. I've been doing theater
Speaker 5: and things like that since i was you know, knee high,
Speaker 5: and so it just comes very naturally mean and I
Speaker 5: love the space that we get to create for each other.
Speaker 5: And just like, Okay, now it's about the thing that's
Speaker 5: going in your hole. I am going to have wipes
Speaker 5: for you on the side. We are going to have
Speaker 5: water on standby because you're going to do this cool
Speaker 5: thing and we're all going to like clap about it.
Speaker 1: You do have a nurturing presence.
Speaker 3: Because you directed Adam and me. Did I say that right?
Speaker 3: Of Adam and Me in a disruptive scene. Narcis narciss
Speaker 3: narciss when is it?
Speaker 5: Don't think they have a very methodical I'll say meticulous
Speaker 5: now release schedule over it disruptive so who knows.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the scenes that I've done for disrupt of like
Speaker 3: some of them have just come out that I did
Speaker 3: a long time ago, and I was like, oh wow,
Speaker 3: so it'd be nice if this at the same time.
Speaker 3: Wouldn't that beautiful?
Speaker 1: But yeah, that would be amazing cross marketing now.
Speaker 3: But we got there and we were like, I think
Speaker 3: I got there first, and you're like, send the doorway first.
Speaker 3: There's like a robe on the bed and like floss
Speaker 3: and mouthwash and every tooth pressure in the bathroom and
Speaker 3: you come in and you're like, would you like any tea?
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, it's really great.
Speaker 3: It was like tea sounds great?
Speaker 2: And I appreciate also, I think we've worked together twice
Speaker 2: yees now, and I love also how collaborative you are.
Speaker 2: You don't bark orders, You're kind of like, we're creating
Speaker 2: this together. It's going to be something fun and beautiful,
Speaker 2: and I really appreciate that. How soon after performing did
Speaker 2: you start getting into behind a camera.
Speaker 5: I was really hungry for it, so immmediately I was
Speaker 5: in high school, I was not just you know, playing
Speaker 5: the wick of Witch of the West and the Wizard
Speaker 5: of Oz. I was also like, I'm a senior project.
Speaker 5: It's it's a devised piece actually, and I like you.
Speaker 5: I was just so I want to create the whole thing,
Speaker 5: and so I was looking for opportunities to do that always,
Speaker 5: like I had the opportunity to actually where I'm not.
Speaker 5: My husband and collaborative partner, Michael Vegas was on my
Speaker 5: first gang bang, which was for was fantasy gang Bangs,
Speaker 5: I think is what it was called, and Matress Madeline
Speaker 5: was really intent on each model creating a true fantasy
Speaker 5: that she had and so that gave me a little
Speaker 5: taste of like, oh okay, I can say what the
Speaker 5: boys are wearing when they fucked made.
Speaker 1: Like I like this. I like that it is it
Speaker 1: is kind of a form of control, I guess.
Speaker 3: I like, Yeah, my gang bangs that I've done, I'm
Speaker 3: like I am always in complete control. Yeah, tight bottom dumb,
Speaker 3: because I had, like the misconception about a gang bang
Speaker 3: is that you're just like used and like whatever. But
Speaker 3: I mean I guess there are gang bangs that give
Speaker 3: that impression, but it's mostly but I'm like, I like
Speaker 3: being in control anyway.
Speaker 5: It's more like you're the flyer in a massive cheerleading stunt.
Speaker 5: You like, there's all of these bases and you're the
Speaker 5: one getting penetrated, but everyone's helping everyone do the thing.
Speaker 1: Is that how it felt doing those scenes for sure?
Speaker 5: Absolutely, especially because like the other performers were folks I
Speaker 5: had worked with, like Mickey Maud was there, Owen Gray
Speaker 5: was there, John.
Speaker 2: I love Owen Gray. He's one of my favorite people.
Speaker 2: Like I haven't seen him in years, but I don't
Speaker 2: even know how we met. I think it might have
Speaker 2: been at the armory and we just became like friends.
Speaker 2: He took me on a hike and took these beautiful
Speaker 2: photos of me.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: He's like kind of like one of my straight boy
Speaker 2: crushes forever say.
Speaker 5: We all yeah, yeah so. And then I did a
Speaker 5: wonderful gang bang also with Michael for the infamous Treasure
Speaker 5: Island Media.
Speaker 1: Which was one of these.
Speaker 4: It was wonderful.
Speaker 5: Fuck Whole's three baby, I was I think the only
Speaker 5: up until that point and probably still cis female too.
Speaker 1: I was just going to ask.
Speaker 2: I didn't know The Treasure Island ever had women's that's amazing,
Speaker 2: what a distinction.
Speaker 4: Very bad, very fad so, and that was a little
Speaker 4: bit different.
Speaker 5: But I still had like three very close friends who
Speaker 5: I'd performed with previously. So it's like Michael and I
Speaker 5: were friends and seen partners for years before we started
Speaker 5: dating and eventually got married. But I definitely identified him
Speaker 5: as like my dance partner in the space. If I
Speaker 5: was going to get to choose male talent, like, he
Speaker 5: was top of my.
Speaker 2: List, cause I mean, yeah, can you throw up a
Speaker 2: couple of those pictures? I have these pictures. I just
Speaker 2: think they're so cute, the red carpet ones. Oh yes,
Speaker 2: Like look how you guys look like you have so
Speaker 2: much fun?
Speaker 4: We really do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's one more too. I love these looks.
Speaker 4: Thank you.
Speaker 5: I've always been a unique sort of person in the
Speaker 5: industry and didn't quite fit into the mold of like
Speaker 5: teen or mill for tattoo.
Speaker 4: I won't have enough tattoos to be an alt girl.
Speaker 4: It's just kind of me.
Speaker 5: And you know, award shows are always a little stressful
Speaker 5: because you have to it's almost like an audition. You
Speaker 5: know you're gonna be seeing all these people totally. Yeah,
Speaker 5: you want to be wearing the right.
Speaker 1: Fit's networking for sure. Yeah.
Speaker 5: And I'm just so glad that now that I primarily
Speaker 5: direct and produce, that I get to dress up a
Speaker 5: little bit more and bring that York Swan dress energy.
Speaker 5: I do a little performance art moment because I'm marketing
Speaker 5: myself as a director, as a creator, as a visionary,
Speaker 5: someone to like pull a whole look and moment together,
Speaker 5: and that's really fun.
Speaker 1: Are you not on camera much lately?
Speaker 4: Hardly? Ever?
Speaker 5: I did a content trade recently with someone I've had
Speaker 5: a crush on for a long time, and.
Speaker 4: I was like, just be normal. Just just grab your bag,
Speaker 4: you know, because I hadn't done it in so long.
Speaker 5: It was like, do you have everything, don't freak out
Speaker 5: about your nails, Like, just go, I said to the dude.
Speaker 4: Be normal. I mean, we'll ask Chad Alba, but I
Speaker 4: think I was pretty normal.
Speaker 1: Was it enjoyable?
Speaker 4: It was great?
Speaker 1: Okay, good?
Speaker 4: So I have real raels on that outright?
Speaker 3: Wow?
Speaker 1: Does that not happen very often? For ladies?
Speaker 5: Always camera on camera because you have to sort of
Speaker 5: like the beats have and you know, okay, like okay,
Speaker 5: now orgasm here and we're going to move on to
Speaker 5: the blow drop, you.
Speaker 4: Know, yeah, the direction you get.
Speaker 5: But and also just for me, when I'm having sex
Speaker 5: with someone new for the first time, sometimes that doesn't
Speaker 5: happen because I'm a Gemini, So I'm like taking all
Speaker 5: the brain info in and sometimes it doesn't get all
Speaker 5: the way down there.
Speaker 1: Aren't you a.
Speaker 3: Gemini too, I'm yeah, but I have I m cusped
Speaker 3: with cancer, like I kind of float through both of
Speaker 3: time at times.
Speaker 4: So my moon is I get it.
Speaker 3: I didn like, but I think the Gemini is stronger.
Speaker 3: I think when I was growing up, the cancer was stronger,
Speaker 3: but I needed to put her downy sofestyle.
Speaker 2: Were there ever times when you were performing on camera
Speaker 2: that you were like, how am I still doing this?
Speaker 1: This is like hard? It is hard work.
Speaker 5: When I was sort of in transition between San Francisco
Speaker 5: and Los Angeles and I was performing, you know in
Speaker 5: that you know, I'm not don't fit in to a
Speaker 5: concrete type, and so I'll do a lot of strange
Speaker 5: you know, whether it's fetish or something more amateur. And
Speaker 5: I was on this East Coast tour and just shooting
Speaker 5: like bad fetish porn with people who didn't know what
Speaker 5: they were doing. And it was just like I had
Speaker 5: this sketchy booking agent. I was just like, this sucks.
Speaker 1: I don't like this.
Speaker 5: Fine that was pre I mean I was posting on
Speaker 5: OnlyFans what was pre OnlyFans boom, So like I had,
Speaker 5: I was on there, but it wasn't getting the traffic
Speaker 5: wasn't there yet?
Speaker 4: Sure Beyonce had not said the.
Speaker 2: World yes everything, thanks, but yeah I was.
Speaker 4: I was ready.
Speaker 5: The transition to directing and producing came during COVID studios
Speaker 5: needed people who could produce.
Speaker 4: And also perform. Michael and I were locked down together
Speaker 4: and quarantined with my stepdad. Was born for Adult Time
Speaker 4: dot Com and from there we went on to just
Speaker 4: do other little projects.
Speaker 3: And you know what advice would you have for somebody
Speaker 3: that wants to transition more from performing into directing producing.
Speaker 4: Oh, just do it.
Speaker 5: Like you've got a phone, just start filming yourself. You
Speaker 5: don't have to be fancy. I also, I'm such a
Speaker 5: DIY like punk girl that I love the aesthetics of, Like,
Speaker 5: you know, I remember the Paris Hilton sex tape that
Speaker 5: that shit changed my life.
Speaker 4: It's a masterpiece. Her eyes are all green the night vision,
Speaker 4: And I guess that's like less in vogue now that
Speaker 4: we all have so much more ability to.
Speaker 3: Well, at that time, it was like rare for just
Speaker 3: a celebrity sex tape to be at all at all
Speaker 3: exists Now I'm sure. Yeah, I mean, you have a phone,
Speaker 3: you've got you've got pictures on it that you've said
Speaker 3: to people.
Speaker 5: But I feel like the lower production value stuff will
Speaker 5: like swing back again now that everyone's a little bit
Speaker 5: more polished.
Speaker 3: Well, I do think. I think that's what only fans
Speaker 3: is about, just fans. It's like people don't necessarily want
Speaker 3: to see like the higher quality like polished content. They
Speaker 3: want to see this like.
Speaker 1: Kind of a yeah, flying It.
Speaker 3: Doesn't do much for me totally, but like because I'm
Speaker 3: still going back and watching like studio stuff, but I like.
Speaker 1: It all hot.
Speaker 2: It is hot, you know, like I totally love a
Speaker 2: fly on the wall scene.
Speaker 3: I just don't like stationary cameras, that's fair.
Speaker 5: I'm much more of a like dirty POV like I
Speaker 5: want to see that I'm someone you take a picture
Speaker 5: of your dick in the bathroom like and send it
Speaker 5: to me while I'm sitting at the restaurant, and I
Speaker 5: think the.
Speaker 3: Two can like coexist.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I always try to make my content like somewhere in
Speaker 3: the middle.
Speaker 4: Agreed.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's good to have like fits and starts,
Speaker 5: because I think the sparkle of getting a like dick
Speaker 5: pic sort of personalized dirty phone picture from someone that
Speaker 5: you also see in the big shiny scene, that's a
Speaker 5: sweet spot.
Speaker 1: I love that. That's a great perspective totally.
Speaker 4: So yeah, just start do stuff.
Speaker 5: And also like trust your aesthetic. I think that's something
Speaker 5: I'm still learning. I remember like coming to LA and
Speaker 5: like getting makeup done on set and being like, whoa,
Speaker 5: that is not me at all, because I do my
Speaker 5: look in a very specific way, and like I like
Speaker 5: my porn a very specific way, Like you know how
Speaker 5: to hold the camera and the way that's gonna make
Speaker 5: your butt look awesome more than some stranger does.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's interesting, like like we don't really deal with
Speaker 3: makeup right as like gay performers, how much of that
Speaker 3: is Like I don't know, do you hate that or
Speaker 3: do you like it? Does it help you perform?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 5: I love a transformation, honestly, And that was One of
Speaker 5: the things that made me fall in love with the industry,
Speaker 5: I think was seeing how this like butch Dyke would
Speaker 5: come in off of her fixed gear into the you know,
Speaker 5: put on a wig, and spend five minutes in the
Speaker 5: dressing room putting her face on and then go make
Speaker 5: bank as a femme and then.
Speaker 4: Go out back to the world.
Speaker 3: So I do.
Speaker 4: I love that part. But as a director producer, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 4: if you can come make up ready girl, like please,
Speaker 4: I would love to.
Speaker 5: I mean, I love our makeup artists, and I love
Speaker 5: getting to divide that labor because it is labor, like
Speaker 5: doing your own makeup. You should charge more if you
Speaker 5: do your own makeup girls.
Speaker 2: Anyway, I'm learning so much today for the moms. The
Speaker 2: ladies have different challenges to go through on on set.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 5: But I always kind of felt especially the Armory, because
Speaker 5: the Armory had you know, not live in but they
Speaker 5: had like on staff makeup people, And I always felt
Speaker 5: like Dorothy and the Wizard of Oz when like they come
Speaker 5: in and they go through the sort of like so
Speaker 5: because yeah, just coming and being a sort of like
Speaker 5: San Francisco queer girl and like canvas tennis shoes, living
Speaker 5: my little twee lifestyle to like.
Speaker 4: I love it.
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Speaker 3: I wanted to ask what was it like working with us,
Speaker 3: the two of us, because that was our Oh that
Speaker 3: was the second second Yeah, we.
Speaker 1: Had done Pantheon just before that, though, but.
Speaker 3: We second time, we ever had sex one on one.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, We've been friends a long time.
Speaker 2: We've always landed in group situations together, but actually never
Speaker 2: had one on one sex until it was on camera
Speaker 2: this year twice, and the second time was with you.
Speaker 4: I was just.
Speaker 5: Listening to an episode of this when you guys were
Speaker 5: talking about like, oh my god, we you know, should
Speaker 5: be going to.
Speaker 1: Do it at some point, and I was like, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: It was a delight. Obviously I'm here. It was great.
Speaker 5: But I was also really impressed because sometimes when you
Speaker 5: have really close friends on set. I know I am
Speaker 5: super guilty of this. I mean, I work with my
Speaker 5: best friend and partner. You can kind of start squirreling
Speaker 5: just like I don't.
Speaker 4: Know, I'm like doing your friend.
Speaker 5: But I think because you all are used to being
Speaker 5: in a professional environment with each other. I remember our
Speaker 5: sound guy, I think Sam Soul or someone on the
Speaker 5: crew was like, oh, I don't you know those guys
Speaker 5: that have never shot together before. I'm like, yeah, but
Speaker 5: they're like best friends and they have a podcast together.
Speaker 5: And they were like, no, that can't be right.
Speaker 4: It seemed like they just they were very They didn't
Speaker 4: seem like that.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's hilarious.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 2: The funny thing like both times that we shot this year,
Speaker 2: like you know, the first time with Pantheon, the second
Speaker 2: time with you, we both kind of came away from
Speaker 2: those scenes being like we're really.
Speaker 1: Good at this. Yeah, we're really good at this.
Speaker 3: We're like, we're professional, we're pretty easy to work.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're easy to work with. We have a good time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was great.
Speaker 4: It was a delight.
Speaker 3: And it was a fun scene because it was like
Speaker 3: it was very American psycho and you were like the
Speaker 3: Patrick Bateman and I was actressing that day and I
Speaker 3: didn't have to do my I was just kind of
Speaker 3: like it wasn't a stretch from right reality anyway, So
Speaker 3: I just kind of played dumb grinder hookup guy you
Speaker 3: were great.
Speaker 1: At Yeah, No, a delight.
Speaker 4: I can't wait for it on the.
Speaker 3: Next day where I had to tie the guy up. Yeah,
Speaker 3: Like is that more fun for you when you're shooting
Speaker 3: a scene that you're like like you're into.
Speaker 1: One.
Speaker 5: I mean, like I came up through Bondage and BDSM
Speaker 5: primarily as a performer, and so now that I'm like
Speaker 5: in Los Angeles working primarily in mainstream, any opportunity we
Speaker 5: get to do like real BDSM, and we're getting more
Speaker 5: and more of those opportunities because the thing we created
Speaker 5: with Lauren Phillips Switch one BDSM.
Speaker 4: Series or Release of the Year at av N this year,
Speaker 4: I think, so we're we're showing our chops.
Speaker 5: We did this really exciting project called The Bottom Floor
Speaker 5: recently that was like sort of a pan sexual BDSM
Speaker 5: underground sex party orgy.
Speaker 4: I would love to do one.
Speaker 5: That was more gay, that had more little you know,
Speaker 5: Dylan Diez a second making mounts.
Speaker 4: Dick, don't worry, it's in there. It was.
Speaker 5: It was for adult time, primarily for their straight audience.
Speaker 5: So our main event was a straight DP a girl
Speaker 5: with two boys, which was awesome.
Speaker 3: Yeah, which is always favorite.
Speaker 4: Yeah, looked like Dick's don't together attle.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Actually, I always think it looks better in a
Speaker 3: straight DP because like it just looks more comfortable. It's
Speaker 3: like like a gay DP on film can often say
Speaker 3: it can be good ones, but it's like a lot
Speaker 3: needs to go right, and if anything goes wrong then
Speaker 3: it's just not it's sure right.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of.
Speaker 3: If like one Dick is a little too soft, it
Speaker 3: gets pushed out there. The other one, and it's just
Speaker 3: like it's just difficult.
Speaker 5: Art of the people don't realize I was doing this
Speaker 5: big budget custom recently with this newcomer to the industry
Speaker 5: and he's like yeah, and then like there were several
Speaker 5: dp's in the film.
Speaker 4: At one point he was like, well, dpe that.
Speaker 5: You know, you guys know how to do that. That's simple,
Speaker 5: And like everyone in the castle is like, oh, oh wait,
Speaker 5: hold on, what did you say?
Speaker 4: No, No, that's not simple.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I mean it's like it's like hard enough
Speaker 2: to do it in like real life, we meant to
Speaker 2: do it on camera.
Speaker 1: It really is.
Speaker 3: There's I mean, like you can get to a point
Speaker 3: where it becomes easy, but when you try to rush
Speaker 3: it because you're shooting and everybody is like trying to
Speaker 3: get there already, but you're like, no, it's got it.
Speaker 3: You gotta like ease into it.
Speaker 4: Like it's coordinated dance performers.
Speaker 3: And patient absolutely.
Speaker 2: Do you mostly direct gay scenes or do you do
Speaker 2: a mixture?
Speaker 4: I do a mix?
Speaker 5: Yeah, Like when I was performing, I do a little
Speaker 5: bit of everything.
Speaker 4: So we do.
Speaker 5: We shoot for Transfixed a lot of pure taboo, which
Speaker 5: is the like family role play, like dramatic.
Speaker 4: Addition, the whole goal of Pure Taboo is to like
Speaker 4: take taboo seriously, like fucked up? Is it that your
Speaker 4: stepdad is hitting on you? Like you I'm crying disruptive,
Speaker 4: So that's really fun. We get to make these little
Speaker 4: dramatic films. Yeah, they're all pervy.
Speaker 5: And then yeah, like I said, Transfixed Oopsie is like
Speaker 5: an ad scene that we shoot sometimes.
Speaker 4: It is pan sexual.
Speaker 5: So we're shooting one I think this week or next
Speaker 5: with two trans women and two trans men, which I'm.
Speaker 4: Very excited about.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 4: Cool, And but yeah, that's like Tontown clown show.
Speaker 5: Like if you watch one of the Popsy trailers, you're
Speaker 5: just like, what is this a cartoon?
Speaker 4: Which I love.
Speaker 1: I gotta look this up.
Speaker 4: You'll love it. It's very silly.
Speaker 1: I love the idea of the silly side of porn.
Speaker 1: It's fun.
Speaker 5: It is, you know, it's it can't you know, it's
Speaker 5: important to take things seriously, but it's also important to
Speaker 5: have levity, you know. I think that so much of
Speaker 5: what we do as sex workers and where are like
Speaker 5: place in the society is it's like we're just or adjacent.
Speaker 4: We're all into.
Speaker 5: So yeah, and then let's see, Oopsie, I was going
Speaker 5: to tell you about another one. Oh, we've been doing
Speaker 5: these prosthetics. So as a performer back in the day,
Speaker 5: I would occasionally shoot futinari porn, which is girls with
Speaker 5: like it's it's modeling Hentai porn.
Speaker 4: So it's fantastical.
Speaker 5: It's people with multiple types of genitals and in large
Speaker 5: genitals like aliens. Aliens definitely. And we did some egg
Speaker 5: laying in one recently.
Speaker 1: So there's got to be tentacles somewhere.
Speaker 4: We haven't done any tentacles yet.
Speaker 2: I feel like people talk about tentacle porns.
Speaker 4: I think that the tentacles were a no go from
Speaker 4: legal animal like that makes sense.
Speaker 2: Can you explain to our audiences and for the moms
Speaker 2: what hen type porn is?
Speaker 5: I mean, I'll try, Okay, if you know what anime is,
Speaker 5: if you've seen like Princess Mononoke like that style, if
Speaker 5: you know what manga is, which is the comic book
Speaker 5: version of that, think those together, but very explicit and porn.
Speaker 5: So it's fantasy cartoon porn, actual cartoon. But we're doing
Speaker 5: we're making cartoons.
Speaker 1: With real people, gotcha.
Speaker 4: So we have a wonderful uh, prostitution.
Speaker 5: Prostitute, our prosthetics body by Gabe is his name. He's
Speaker 5: from the drag world, and so he has been like
Speaker 5: if you've seen a penis on HBO or like, yeah,
Speaker 5: he probably does that.
Speaker 2: Wow, what a what a fun job that must be,
Speaker 2: especially to bring it to a porn set.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, that's so wonderful.
Speaker 5: And he's also been doing big pregnant bellies for us.
Speaker 5: So we've been making people who have decided to never
Speaker 5: be pregnant in their life, or maybe who are not
Speaker 5: currently pregnant, we've made them pregnant. We watched the Ridley
Speaker 5: Scott original Alien recently.
Speaker 1: For just like I watched it a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 4: Yeah, in theaters when they re released it.
Speaker 5: But that's a great example of like movie making with
Speaker 5: not very much to make a huge impact. So we
Speaker 5: have a new feature coming out called Birth where Casey
Speaker 5: Calvert is experiencing the horrors of it's very like Rosemary's
Speaker 5: Baby by the horrors of pregnancy.
Speaker 1: And how does the porn come into.
Speaker 5: Great question, Yeah, Pree Mills, she doesn't really believe in
Speaker 5: all that. No, Bree Mills is one of my mentors.
Speaker 5: Amazingly awarded, but she loves to make movies and she
Speaker 5: has the clout and the awards and the sales because
Speaker 5: she's also an incredible like marketing genius. So we do
Speaker 5: the things that we do so we can do, you know,
Speaker 5: one for them, one for me. And I feel like
Speaker 5: Burdi is definitely it's there's a really disturbing gang bang
Speaker 5: in it that I think will be very hot for people,
Speaker 5: like darkly hot. But it's it's definitely really to the
Speaker 5: edge of like the pure taboo energy of just like
Speaker 5: am I supposed to like.
Speaker 1: This mean me bad?
Speaker 3: What does it mean about me?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Even like this, it's just it's good, like the genre.
Speaker 2: I love the joy that you have around all of this,
Speaker 2: Like it's so inspired, truly, it's amazing. It's like nice
Speaker 2: to know that there's a creator in the industry that
Speaker 2: has this kind of energy around it. Absolutely and in
Speaker 2: all in all like orientations and configurations of the sexual experience.
Speaker 3: Absolutely awesome and just fun and like having fun with that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, And I've got to ask if you
Speaker 2: don't mind me bringing it back to mister Michael Vegas,
Speaker 2: Like what is a courtship in the backdrop of the
Speaker 2: adult industry, even like for people like you and Michael.
Speaker 1: Can you explain what that process was like for you?
Speaker 4: Absolutely? I would love to.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So, I know, like some people really do not want
Speaker 5: to date within the industry, which is very fair like
Speaker 5: work life, you know, you don't necessarily want to date
Speaker 5: somebody that you're going to see.
Speaker 4: I work all the time. I get that.
Speaker 5: But also dating outside the industry has its own issues
Speaker 5: as well.
Speaker 1: You've talked about that a lot on this podcast.
Speaker 4: Excellent, So.
Speaker 1: Absolutely totally.
Speaker 3: So.
Speaker 4: I've done both.
Speaker 5: I've done both with disastrous results either way, really terrible times.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So, yeah, Michael and I were friends for years and
Speaker 5: seen partners and just someone I really liked and trusted.
Speaker 2: And you said you met on set for a gang Bang. Yes,
Speaker 2: and you guys were both performers in the scene.
Speaker 4: Okay, and he was one I didn't know.
Speaker 5: So I had asked to have Mickey mad on SAD,
Speaker 5: I asked for Owen Gray and a couple other people, but.
Speaker 4: Michael was someone that they had chosen. He definitely came
Speaker 4: up to me. The first thing he ever said to
Speaker 4: me was.
Speaker 5: Like, Hey, I don't know if you know, but I'm
Speaker 5: one of the smaller dicks here and uh, you know,
Speaker 5: if you'd like help warming up for anal, like I'm
Speaker 5: available and I gentlemen, and I like looked at him
Speaker 5: and it was just a very much like game on moment.
Speaker 5: And even though this is like not either one of
Speaker 5: our fetishes, I just mean it was like, yeah, I
Speaker 5: did notice your dick is really fucking small.
Speaker 4: I don't know if it'll like if you can get
Speaker 4: it in my It was.
Speaker 3: Like, I don't know if I'll feel it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like we'll see, my butt's pretty big.
Speaker 1: So did he love that?
Speaker 4: Loved it?
Speaker 1: Of course?
Speaker 5: We just had a blast from that moment on and
Speaker 5: he if you'll hear him tell the story like he
Speaker 5: talks about just like sort of falling in love with
Speaker 5: me in that moment. We just see watching my face
Speaker 5: while I was getting like dpeed and gang bang, just
Speaker 5: being like I love her.
Speaker 1: Romance isn't dead.
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 5: So yeah, we were friends for years and then we
Speaker 5: were he was out of her. I've always been really
Speaker 5: open and polly and he was not necessarily in the
Speaker 5: same space like kind of in more monogamous leaning relationships.
Speaker 4: I remember I had a big crush on his girlfriend.
Speaker 5: I was definitely trying to contact with her.
Speaker 4: A little too straight, little too monogamous.
Speaker 5: But they parted ways and Michael started just like hitting
Speaker 5: me up, sending me, you know, snapchats and things in
Speaker 5: his butt hole. I'm like, listen, her, you just broke
Speaker 5: up with a girlfriend, and I'm a girl's girl, so
Speaker 5: you need to fucking you need to cool it.
Speaker 4: I will talk to you in a month.
Speaker 1: I love to talk to you one month.
Speaker 5: He's like, okay, fine, and just like consistently kind of
Speaker 5: like kept hanging me up.
Speaker 4: In one day, I was going to go see this.
Speaker 5: Is so embarrassing to say, Oh my god, my sugar
Speaker 5: daddy was producing a play about polyamory and I needed
Speaker 5: someone to go see it with me because that's a
Speaker 5: tough pitch, right. I'm like, hey, girl, anyone want to
Speaker 5: go see my sugar daddy's non monogamy play with me? No?
Speaker 4: Okay, Michael?
Speaker 5: He was like absolute, So he did, and yeah, we've
Speaker 5: sent like three days together after that, and then.
Speaker 4: Here we are.
Speaker 1: Was this in San Francisco?
Speaker 4: Oh this is here? It was twenty seventeen after I
Speaker 4: had moved here.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah cool?
Speaker 3: And he he likes being pegged and likes stuff in
Speaker 3: his button and whatever.
Speaker 4: How about what what do you want to know about?
Speaker 2: But well, I want okay, I'll ask this question. Was
Speaker 2: that a big part of your courtship as well? Where
Speaker 2: you're like were You're like, okay, he likes this.
Speaker 1: I like this.
Speaker 2: Is that a big part of how you guys have
Speaker 2: sex with each other? Or is that more just on camera?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 5: No, that's a huge but I mean, like it was
Speaker 5: definitely off camera to start. Eventually, I was like, honey,
Speaker 5: we have to put the anal videos out too.
Speaker 4: I know that you love them, but like, and as.
Speaker 5: A primarily straight performer, you know, this was twenty seventy,
Speaker 5: it was definitely different. I remember in twenty sixteen, before
Speaker 5: we were dating, him telling me I bought the url
Speaker 5: peg him dot com and I'm like, that's fucking great.
Speaker 5: What do you plan to do with it? At that
Speaker 5: point so I can lay it down, I'm definitely like
Speaker 5: business top in our relationship. But yeah, as our courtship started,
Speaker 5: you know, before we really started courting each other romantically,
Speaker 5: I remember one night we like gave each other massages
Speaker 5: and he was like, do you want to see what
Speaker 5: I can put in my buttthole.
Speaker 4: It's really large. I got this cone. So we like
Speaker 4: watch Futurama, and he like showed me what he could.
Speaker 3: Do to brings one up off the streets.
Speaker 5: You know things, friendship things, yes, friendship things and very Futurama.
Speaker 1: Take a look, give me the accolades.
Speaker 4: Your thoughts and he notes, yeah, check, yes or no exactly.
Speaker 5: And I have not really been into pegging or anal
Speaker 5: stuff on boys prior to him, but I know he
Speaker 5: was really into it. And also like, as just a
Speaker 5: queer person who is used to having partners, I can penetrate.
Speaker 4: Great news for me. I'd like to do that, So I'm.
Speaker 3: Going to have a boy. What do you think the
Speaker 3: main audience for stuff like that.
Speaker 5: Is definitely guys who also like that, and straight guys
Speaker 5: for sure, straight guys. It's like when he has fans
Speaker 5: come up to him, it's always someone who was like,
Speaker 5: oh my god, you're Michael Vegas, Like I didn't know
Speaker 5: that men could do the things that you do, and
Speaker 5: like watching your porn has set me free like always.
Speaker 1: Isn't that so amazing?
Speaker 5: Though?
Speaker 2: What a gift he's giving to this like small sub
Speaker 2: section of the mostly straight identified male community.
Speaker 1: You know what it makes.
Speaker 2: It makes people feel safe to explore that side of themselves.
Speaker 5: And I think that's so beautiful, absolutely, and it's you know,
Speaker 5: queering desire.
Speaker 4: I remember one of like as a like eighteen year old, uh,
Speaker 4: reading about feminism and like blah blah blah.
Speaker 5: I remember like asking myself this question based on this
Speaker 5: like anthropology book I was. I was reading, how does
Speaker 5: it change a person if you are only expected to
Speaker 5: penetrate or only expected to be penetrated? Yes, how do
Speaker 5: those perceptions affect who we are allowed to become in
Speaker 5: this world?
Speaker 3: And like I think about that all the time. And yeah,
Speaker 3: because I'm like, it's why I don't understand like strict
Speaker 3: tops and strict bottoms being gay. It's like we have
Speaker 3: a privilege that a lot of people don't get to
Speaker 3: explore sexually, that we get to be receptive and penetrative.
Speaker 1: I maintain to this day.
Speaker 2: I say it all the time that I think getting
Speaker 2: fucked is like medicine. Oh yeah, like really like like
Speaker 2: every once in a while, like I can tell when
Speaker 2: my brain needs to be rewired in just that way.
Speaker 1: I just need to get.
Speaker 2: Take to Dixon, call me on the best prescription I've
Speaker 2: ever heard doctor.
Speaker 1: That's great.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So it was very fun, you know, exploring, uh,
Speaker 5: that part of his fetish And I think I was
Speaker 5: probably one of the first girlfriends or partners that he
Speaker 5: had that was really sort of all.
Speaker 4: I remember he had an ex who was like, you.
Speaker 5: Gotta understand, if a man wants to get fucked me, ass,
Speaker 5: it doesn't necessarily mean he's gay, and that was like
Speaker 5: her platform, and I'm just like, that's fine, Yes, that's true.
Speaker 4: But what if it did mean he.
Speaker 1: Was gay or like or sometimes gay straight? Does he
Speaker 1: i mean, does he identify?
Speaker 3: Does he identify to be a little gay?
Speaker 4: He says his buttthole is very pan sexual.
Speaker 5: He's definitely hetero romantic and like you know, will fuck
Speaker 5: all kinds of people. Is not just not super into
Speaker 5: I get it male sexuality coming at him, sure, which
Speaker 5: a lot.
Speaker 4: Of people feel that way, including lots of women. Yes, right,
Speaker 4: but very We're both very open.
Speaker 3: I do have guys that he lets him.
Speaker 5: For sure, mainly for fisting though. Okay, he's he's a
Speaker 5: he's a real fisting nerd. Like he's there and like
Speaker 5: you guys know that the fisting space is like a
Speaker 5: little bit different than like the cruising.
Speaker 3: I'm I'm not a fister or definitely like.
Speaker 4: Nerds of gay culture.
Speaker 2: I find it to be exceptionally intimate. Oh god, yeah yeah,
Speaker 2: a few times that I have dabbled in it. It
Speaker 2: is really intense, and I see its value for sure.
Speaker 1: Cole does not. But it's not for everybody.
Speaker 3: It's a little extra.
Speaker 4: I've never been fted. I've only topped there.
Speaker 5: I've been vaginally fested by smaller, small handed people. It's
Speaker 5: great if I can love it all day.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'll take two, but I don't want to
Speaker 3: fist up there.
Speaker 4: Yeah said, I was going to save it for the
Speaker 4: wedding night.
Speaker 1: Just not there yet.
Speaker 3: Do you ever have gay guys cast in like pegging
Speaker 3: stuff or like or is it just like no, that's
Speaker 3: boring real dicks.
Speaker 4: No, I mean like not that I can recall.
Speaker 3: I want to be pegged.
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, yes, all right, let's talk. Let's sucking talk. No,
Speaker 4: primarily peg him is Michael's ex.
Speaker 5: It's like his his fuck whole diary, you know, it's
Speaker 5: his the diary.
Speaker 2: I'm like writing that down for later research.
Speaker 1: I think he's so sexy like that.
Speaker 3: I was trying not to fan girl a little bit
Speaker 3: on on set.
Speaker 2: Yeah, having him behind the camera like was like distracting
Speaker 2: with the best way to.
Speaker 3: Get compliments from.
Speaker 2: I got to smack his butt on his way out,
Speaker 2: you remember, like because he played my hook up that day.
Speaker 4: Oh that's right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 4: It was so cute.
Speaker 1: I was like, I love that.
Speaker 2: There's a universe where I fucked Michael Vegas and we're
Speaker 2: filming it right here, the.
Speaker 4: Little face wipe on his way out, Like yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so funny. Yeah, that's great.
Speaker 4: I love it.
Speaker 5: It's very important for me if I'm going to be
Speaker 5: in a partnership with like assisgendered man that our relationship
Speaker 5: still feels very gay because I'm very gay and I
Speaker 5: need to have somebody who It's really refreshing that, like
Speaker 5: whenever we're in a queer space, it's not like it's
Speaker 5: my queer space and I brought my boyfriend. It's like
Speaker 5: we're a digress this year, and I'm like, everyone we're
Speaker 5: hanging out with Michael is your friend was your friend first?
Speaker 4: Before me. I've had it the other way and this way.
Speaker 3: Is much better.
Speaker 2: What is next for you guys, professionally as well as personally, well.
Speaker 5: The Avin Gavienn pre nom submission deadline was like last night,
Speaker 5: so I was definitely like up late nominating. Yes. So
Speaker 5: hopefully Awards season that will bear some fruit because we
Speaker 5: did a lot of features this year, including the disruptive
Speaker 5: feature Honey Guide, which is kind of based on Saltburn.
Speaker 5: Very fun to make, beautiful film. It's still coming out.
Speaker 5: I think there's still a couple episodes left to drop
Speaker 5: so heading into Awards season, but we have more prosthetics
Speaker 5: content coming. We're making a few another food to scene.
Speaker 5: I'm really excited to have transmen on set this week. Oh,
Speaker 5: folks who produce porn, let me produce trans mask porn.
Speaker 4: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: My very first scene as susie Q was with a
Speaker 5: trans masculine performer. The person I was dating at the
Speaker 5: time put goodfellow. And there's still such a lack of
Speaker 5: places for transmen to a make money in this industry
Speaker 5: and be for consumers to jerk off to quality trans
Speaker 5: mask content. You know, we love everybody who's doing the
Speaker 5: stuff on their only fans. Thank goodness those platforms exist
Speaker 5: so that, but I would really love to get opportunities
Speaker 5: to do.
Speaker 4: More of that.
Speaker 2: Ye every time I talk to transmen about performing. Like
Speaker 2: my joke as always, I always lean over and I'm like,
Speaker 2: are you so glad you don't have a penis? And
Speaker 2: they're always like every day like just not having to
Speaker 2: deal with the moodiness of those carts.
Speaker 4: Inctions you know, all of that totally Yes, So very.
Speaker 5: Excited for more of that. And we're about to do Fullsome,
Speaker 5: which very nice.
Speaker 2: I'll be there, I'll be there. Are you doing something
Speaker 2: in particular?
Speaker 5: We are We're doing a little not the day of
Speaker 5: the fair, but with the Collective corruption folks, which is
Speaker 5: like who Mickey Maud and Arson Lee and Raven Alexa.
Speaker 4: They're sort of like collective.
Speaker 5: We are doing a little shindig party shoot the day
Speaker 5: before at the place where they shoot Filthy Femdom. And
Speaker 5: so I'm really excited to go back home to San Francisco.
Speaker 5: My stripper drag mom, Princess Pandora, aka sister of Bubble's Bathroy,
Speaker 5: is now an official.
Speaker 4: Sister of Perpetual Indulgence.
Speaker 5: She went through the whole like novice process and she
Speaker 5: finally got her full face. So I'm excited to like,
Speaker 5: this is the first time I'll be going to Fulsome
Speaker 5: When she is like a full sister.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, how cool.
Speaker 5: It's definitely like bringing the husband home for the holiday.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, for sure.
Speaker 1: I fucking love it. It's amazing.
Speaker 2: You guys are amazing. Thank you so much. We kind
Speaker 2: of have to wrap up, but I feel like we
Speaker 2: could go.
Speaker 1: A full episode.
Speaker 2: Seriously, I've learned so much today. It's been so fun
Speaker 2: having you. Thank you so much for doing this my pleasure.
Speaker 4: Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 2: Guys all for listening. And I think that's it for me.
Speaker 2: How about you, mister Connor cool, I'm Adam Ramsey.
Speaker 3: I'm Cole Connor.
Speaker 1: It's been sorry for asking.
Speaker 3: Bye, thank you, Susan, thank you. This has been sorry
Speaker 3: for asking.
Speaker 2: Be sure to like, comment and subscribe, and until next time,
Speaker 2: stay sexy.
Speaker 4: W there it