WEBVTT 1 00:00:04.719 --> 00:00:08.320 You're listening to. Sorry for asking, Sorry for asking. 2 00:00:08.480 --> 00:00:11.919 I'm Cold Connor and I'm Adam Ramsey. This is where 3 00:00:11.919 --> 00:00:14.320 we talk, shop, ask questions. 4 00:00:13.919 --> 00:00:17.559 Tell stories, and laugh some laughs about being creators as. 5 00:00:17.440 --> 00:00:20.440 Well as consumers of adult content. We love watching too, 6 00:00:20.760 --> 00:00:24.480 we certainly do. We also discuss the impact adult films 7 00:00:24.519 --> 00:00:27.480 have had on us, on our guests, and on. 8 00:00:27.399 --> 00:00:32.079 The LGBTQ community. So strap on and strap in. 9 00:00:32.479 --> 00:00:45.799 And here we go. Welcome back, everybody. Sorry for asking. 10 00:00:45.880 --> 00:00:46.719 I'm Cold Connor. 11 00:00:46.840 --> 00:00:49.880 I'm Adam Ramsey. Hi, col Hi, how's it going. 12 00:00:50.119 --> 00:00:52.719 I'm doing great. I'm like, it's so jittery. I'm like, 13 00:00:52.759 --> 00:00:53.799 had so much coffee. 14 00:00:53.960 --> 00:00:58.320 Oh yeah, I'm not yet. I'm hanging in there. It 15 00:00:58.399 --> 00:01:02.280 is a Monday today. I usually don't film on Monday. Yeah, yeah, 16 00:01:02.320 --> 00:01:04.079 well you did. I had a hot talk last night. 17 00:01:04.200 --> 00:01:05.400 I went for it. Whatever. 18 00:01:05.599 --> 00:01:06.640 I don't have the jitters yet. 19 00:01:06.680 --> 00:01:08.760 You advised me to maybe take a little bit of 20 00:01:08.760 --> 00:01:13.640 an adderall before this recording, but so no jitters yet. 21 00:01:14.159 --> 00:01:15.640 But here I am. I'm doing good. 22 00:01:16.000 --> 00:01:18.519 It's a stark difference in weather. 23 00:01:18.319 --> 00:01:20.519 Today from the last time we were here when it 24 00:01:20.560 --> 00:01:21.840 was hundreds of degrees. 25 00:01:22.000 --> 00:01:23.920 So I'm feeling good. I'm happy to be here. 26 00:01:24.120 --> 00:01:25.840 You just did some say uncle shoot. 27 00:01:26.000 --> 00:01:29.040 I did my first ever say uncle shoots. They went 28 00:01:29.079 --> 00:01:30.519 pretty well, it was I was. It was a little 29 00:01:30.519 --> 00:01:32.200 weird going into it because I didn't know how we 30 00:01:32.200 --> 00:01:34.879 were going to film two scenes in the same day 31 00:01:35.000 --> 00:01:36.519 with the same scene partners. 32 00:01:37.120 --> 00:01:39.719 But it ended up going well, I don't know that. 33 00:01:39.799 --> 00:01:41.799 Yeah, I told you, that's been my experience. It's like 34 00:01:41.799 --> 00:01:42.359 they're shorter. 35 00:01:42.719 --> 00:01:43.280 They're shorter. 36 00:01:43.560 --> 00:01:45.640 Yeah, once you get through the setup and it's three 37 00:01:45.680 --> 00:01:47.640 days in a row, right, Well, it was going to 38 00:01:47.680 --> 00:01:49.159 be three and ended up being two and I had 39 00:01:49.159 --> 00:01:51.319 a break in between, so it was fine. Yeah, it 40 00:01:51.400 --> 00:01:54.920 was a I did Young Purpse and Pig Bottoms. 41 00:01:55.239 --> 00:01:59.200 I love this. Yeah, well it's like dad creep is 42 00:01:59.200 --> 00:02:02.599 what I've done. Oh really, they just like a horrible 43 00:02:03.040 --> 00:02:07.200 city of course, father not real father. Yeah, and you 44 00:02:07.200 --> 00:02:09.400 have to say a stepfather has to be a stepfather 45 00:02:09.560 --> 00:02:13.360 times in the scre our guest knows all about it. 46 00:02:13.400 --> 00:02:17.680 But let's bring her in. Yes please, it's our second 47 00:02:17.840 --> 00:02:20.560 lady on the show. I mean fourth if you count 48 00:02:20.599 --> 00:02:26.919 our moms, well second, our second, our second working. 49 00:02:26.680 --> 00:02:29.439 In this email in the industry. 50 00:02:29.719 --> 00:02:32.520 Yes, yes, oh yeah, we had. 51 00:02:34.000 --> 00:02:36.719 Cooper as well. Yeah, yeah, all. 52 00:02:36.719 --> 00:02:41.159 Right, well, our guest is the winner of the twenty 53 00:02:41.240 --> 00:02:45.360 twenty four Ex Biz Gay Director of the Year, none 54 00:02:45.439 --> 00:02:46.719 other than Susie c. 55 00:02:48.560 --> 00:02:53.639 Hi, Susie Up, thanks for having me. 56 00:02:53.719 --> 00:02:57.759 I love the look today. These earrings, this head head wrap. 57 00:02:58.000 --> 00:02:59.360 Is that a bandana call? 58 00:02:59.680 --> 00:03:01.719 It's like a fisting band in If you look closely, 59 00:03:01.800 --> 00:03:03.639 there's like butt plugs and like, oh. 60 00:03:03.479 --> 00:03:05.360 My god, is fisting. 61 00:03:05.599 --> 00:03:09.240 Yes, yes, right, look at you hanky code schooling the 62 00:03:09.319 --> 00:03:11.719 gays on the hanky code from San Francisco. 63 00:03:12.120 --> 00:03:12.520 Come on. 64 00:03:14.159 --> 00:03:17.960 Now, when we were waiting to come in here, you 65 00:03:18.199 --> 00:03:20.199 are looking on your phone and you're like, oh, she 66 00:03:20.400 --> 00:03:22.000 flip full on fists him. 67 00:03:22.560 --> 00:03:24.319 Yes, I love it. 68 00:03:24.800 --> 00:03:28.039 Yeah, we're gonna we're going to talk about the him 69 00:03:28.439 --> 00:03:31.360 mentioned in a moment. But in the meantime, I just 70 00:03:31.400 --> 00:03:34.039 want to ask some questions about your background. 71 00:03:34.039 --> 00:03:37.080 You're from San Francisco, I'm from Central California. I'm really 72 00:03:37.120 --> 00:03:40.800 from Monterey, California. But then, as you know, San Francisco 73 00:03:40.919 --> 00:03:42.639 is just like the city you go to as a 74 00:03:42.680 --> 00:03:45.719 teenager and do bad things. So eventually, post college, I 75 00:03:45.719 --> 00:03:48.039 went to school up in the Northwest at University of Oregon, 76 00:03:48.120 --> 00:03:48.680 Go Ducks. 77 00:03:49.439 --> 00:03:52.319 But then after touring around the country for. 78 00:03:52.080 --> 00:03:54.759 A couple of years, I decided to settle more or 79 00:03:54.840 --> 00:03:57.159 less in San Francisco because I get a job at 80 00:03:57.199 --> 00:04:01.560 the Lusty Lady, the Late Great, her own unionized peep show, 81 00:04:01.599 --> 00:04:03.759 and that began my journey into the industry. 82 00:04:03.800 --> 00:04:05.280 Wow, awesome when was that? 83 00:04:05.280 --> 00:04:09.879 That was two thousand and nine, which was a crazy 84 00:04:09.919 --> 00:04:12.319 time to get into the industry because it was post 85 00:04:12.400 --> 00:04:15.560 two thousand and eight recessions. So if you go watch Hustlers, 86 00:04:15.639 --> 00:04:19.199 the JLO movie about stripping and robbing people, it's pretty 87 00:04:20.199 --> 00:04:23.959 not that I ever romped, but it was a definite 88 00:04:24.160 --> 00:04:27.399 specific point of view and timeline. 89 00:04:26.879 --> 00:04:27.839 In the industry for sure. 90 00:04:27.959 --> 00:04:30.720 Oh interesting, Yeah, so you did peep shows. 91 00:04:30.839 --> 00:04:31.519 I did peep shows. 92 00:04:31.519 --> 00:04:33.240 Which are they different from strip shows? 93 00:04:33.319 --> 00:04:33.560 Yes? 94 00:04:33.680 --> 00:04:34.720 Okay, tell us about it. 95 00:04:34.839 --> 00:04:35.839 What does a peep show? 96 00:04:35.959 --> 00:04:40.000 So you've seen the Madonna music video Open your Heart right, Yes, 97 00:04:40.360 --> 00:04:42.519 So there's like that's a peep show. You see her 98 00:04:42.680 --> 00:04:45.720 like going in and there's the glass between the patron 99 00:04:46.160 --> 00:04:48.879 and the performer. There's no touching, like, there's no even 100 00:04:48.920 --> 00:04:49.959 breathing the same air. 101 00:04:51.240 --> 00:04:57.360 Very totally. I would have loved it during cover. It 102 00:04:57.399 --> 00:05:00.319 was super fun and you know, people would I'm in 103 00:05:00.680 --> 00:05:01.480 to like a little booth. 104 00:05:01.519 --> 00:05:03.399 You all have probably been to like a regular adult 105 00:05:03.480 --> 00:05:06.560 video booth, but instead of a video, it's a screen 106 00:05:06.560 --> 00:05:09.519 that comes up and there's girls behind on a little 107 00:05:09.560 --> 00:05:13.920 stage and they're all like gay, punk rock, lefty girls. 108 00:05:14.040 --> 00:05:16.600 Yeah, so we're having the best time in there. I 109 00:05:16.680 --> 00:05:19.120 learned so much about myself. 110 00:05:18.759 --> 00:05:21.920 So it's more like yeah, and we would rotate like 111 00:05:21.959 --> 00:05:24.399 every I think, almost like fifteen minutes. So it wasn't 112 00:05:24.399 --> 00:05:26.480 like in a strip club you go up and do 113 00:05:26.600 --> 00:05:29.600 a three song set and then you're hustling dances until 114 00:05:29.600 --> 00:05:32.240 it's your turn again. This was very different because it 115 00:05:32.279 --> 00:05:35.279 was worker owned, it was unionized, so we were really 116 00:05:35.600 --> 00:05:38.360 trying to make it the most equitable we could, and 117 00:05:38.399 --> 00:05:40.839 so there was kind of a constant rotation. So you're 118 00:05:40.879 --> 00:05:44.120 in the peep show kind of slowly gyrating, and then 119 00:05:44.160 --> 00:05:46.560 you're trying to also negotiate because we all know in 120 00:05:46.600 --> 00:05:47.800 the adult industry. 121 00:05:47.519 --> 00:05:49.439 It's a sales job for sure, and it's. 122 00:05:49.319 --> 00:05:52.279 About getting leads on the stage and then closing those sales. 123 00:05:52.319 --> 00:05:56.319 But you're like screaming behind the glass like hi feet, 124 00:05:56.519 --> 00:05:58.079 you like, beat's. 125 00:06:00.360 --> 00:06:00.600 Did it? 126 00:06:00.680 --> 00:06:02.839 And would they tip? Oh yeah, okay? 127 00:06:03.079 --> 00:06:04.879 And also you have to keep putting money in to 128 00:06:04.959 --> 00:06:05.879 keep the window open. 129 00:06:07.199 --> 00:06:08.560 I see, I see, okay, cool? 130 00:06:08.680 --> 00:06:11.199 And would you interact with the performers interact with each 131 00:06:11.199 --> 00:06:13.639 other or is it more just like showing. 132 00:06:13.439 --> 00:06:14.480 Off a little bit? 133 00:06:14.560 --> 00:06:17.160 But we also had booths for that, so like main stage, 134 00:06:17.360 --> 00:06:19.519 not so much except on special occasions. 135 00:06:19.800 --> 00:06:21.720 But then we had the Private Pleasures booth. 136 00:06:22.399 --> 00:06:24.519 And if you want to read about the Private Pleasures booth, 137 00:06:24.600 --> 00:06:27.560 I learned about it through Carol Queen's book Real Live 138 00:06:27.680 --> 00:06:30.480 Nude Girl, which she also worked there, you know, in 139 00:06:30.519 --> 00:06:33.079 the earlier days in like the nineties. But again you're 140 00:06:33.120 --> 00:06:35.480 still behind glass. But that's like your version of a 141 00:06:35.560 --> 00:06:38.480 lap dance area. And that's where I got my kink education. 142 00:06:38.839 --> 00:06:42.079 Oh sure, okay. 143 00:06:41.199 --> 00:06:43.439 So you had you know, it's up from the financial district, 144 00:06:43.560 --> 00:06:46.680 so you're having high powered businessmen come in with their. 145 00:06:46.600 --> 00:06:51.040 Briefcases that is full of dildos and maybe the lingerie 146 00:06:51.839 --> 00:06:53.000 clamps of sorts. 147 00:06:53.439 --> 00:06:54.879 So I learned a lot by. 148 00:06:54.720 --> 00:06:56.120 I got how long did you do that for? 149 00:06:56.480 --> 00:06:58.920 Like to like about a year and a half a 150 00:06:59.000 --> 00:07:00.680 year and a half, and then I started to do 151 00:07:00.759 --> 00:07:01.920 other types of sex work. 152 00:07:02.079 --> 00:07:03.759 Had you done anything like that before? 153 00:07:04.439 --> 00:07:04.680 Yes? 154 00:07:04.959 --> 00:07:08.600 I had dabbled with amateur porn when I was in 155 00:07:08.680 --> 00:07:11.800 college with my my poor partner who is now an accountant. 156 00:07:12.800 --> 00:07:16.360 Very normal life, but bless their heart, helping me on 157 00:07:16.360 --> 00:07:19.279 the journey. And then I had done some like you know, 158 00:07:19.319 --> 00:07:23.199 I'm from Monterey and so like sugaring is definitely a 159 00:07:23.319 --> 00:07:27.680 vibe in the land of Pebble Beach, and like sugar dating. 160 00:07:27.560 --> 00:07:33.079 Like you know, yes, yeah, yeah, sugar civil service. 161 00:07:32.759 --> 00:07:35.560 With less pay and a little bit more like sugar. 162 00:07:36.800 --> 00:07:38.120 Okay, Oh my god, I love it. 163 00:07:38.240 --> 00:07:40.920 So I've done like everything, Okay, yeah. 164 00:07:40.480 --> 00:07:43.839 So when did you start performing? Like in studio? 165 00:07:44.920 --> 00:07:47.879 That was around that same time because the reason I 166 00:07:47.920 --> 00:07:49.800 wanted the job and the lusty Lady because it was 167 00:07:49.800 --> 00:07:51.720 the first job I'd ever had that was like, hey, 168 00:07:51.839 --> 00:07:53.600 you can go on tour with your band and then 169 00:07:53.680 --> 00:07:56.120 like come back and still have a job. So as 170 00:07:56.160 --> 00:07:59.120 an artist and an activist, I was like, oh, yeah, this. 171 00:07:59.199 --> 00:08:00.879 Is the spot, this is where I have to You 172 00:08:00.879 --> 00:08:02.079 were in a band, I was. 173 00:08:02.000 --> 00:08:03.079 Tour managing for bands. 174 00:08:03.199 --> 00:08:05.920 I was going on tour like every couple months or sure, 175 00:08:06.120 --> 00:08:08.839 different different groups. I loved it and even though it 176 00:08:08.879 --> 00:08:12.160 was exhausting and horrible anyways. 177 00:08:12.000 --> 00:08:14.879 But I love that freedom. No other job had been like, no, 178 00:08:14.959 --> 00:08:18.560 you're a person first, and then this is just how 179 00:08:18.639 --> 00:08:21.639 you person harder. We're not here to get in the 180 00:08:21.639 --> 00:08:23.439 way of that. We're here to facilitate that. 181 00:08:23.519 --> 00:08:27.879 And I was like, oh, sorry, Papyrus retail job, I 182 00:08:27.920 --> 00:08:32.679 am now. So in and out of those spaces we 183 00:08:32.759 --> 00:08:35.480 had people who were doing porn, like queer porn was 184 00:08:35.759 --> 00:08:38.639 very hot in the moment, No Foe and Courtney Trouble 185 00:08:38.679 --> 00:08:41.159 was doing her thing. And then of course the King 186 00:08:41.279 --> 00:08:44.879 dot Com armory was like just beginning its rise. 187 00:08:45.159 --> 00:08:49.720 Did either of you every Yeah, I didn't start until 188 00:08:49.919 --> 00:08:52.320 it was over, that's right. I started in twenty twenty, 189 00:08:52.440 --> 00:08:52.919 That's what I thought. 190 00:08:53.000 --> 00:08:55.559 Yeah, the baby, Yeah, I lived like five blocks from 191 00:08:55.600 --> 00:08:57.039 there for a couple of years. 192 00:08:57.159 --> 00:08:57.399 Yeah. 193 00:08:57.399 --> 00:08:59.559 So that's why it was just like anytime they needed 194 00:08:59.559 --> 00:09:00.360 somebody to be. 195 00:09:00.279 --> 00:09:03.679 Like, hey, we must run into it in that it 196 00:09:03.720 --> 00:09:04.519 had to happen. 197 00:09:05.440 --> 00:09:07.399 The first time I met you, I was like, yes. 198 00:09:07.480 --> 00:09:08.320 He looks familiar. 199 00:09:08.799 --> 00:09:12.080 Yeah, but I still yeah, I still love those scenes. 200 00:09:12.360 --> 00:09:16.000 I have some of those favorite and the like straight ones. 201 00:09:16.120 --> 00:09:19.080 Absolutely, I get many comments on them. 202 00:09:19.399 --> 00:09:21.960 Did you ever get to go to like the naked combat? 203 00:09:22.200 --> 00:09:24.080 It was like a Friday night Lights thing. They would 204 00:09:24.120 --> 00:09:27.559 have the naked combat you know matches, Yeah, with. 205 00:09:27.600 --> 00:09:30.320 Like an actual live audience. Yeah, I had heard about him. 206 00:09:30.360 --> 00:09:32.159 I was invited, I think, to be a part of 207 00:09:32.159 --> 00:09:33.879 one of my I never did it. I never went 208 00:09:33.960 --> 00:09:34.240 for it. 209 00:09:34.399 --> 00:09:37.000 Girls weren't allowed, so I was never allowed to go, 210 00:09:37.039 --> 00:09:38.120 which is very rude. 211 00:09:39.919 --> 00:09:42.159 That was also a different time. I feel like maybe 212 00:09:42.200 --> 00:09:43.840 now would be a little more totally. 213 00:09:44.000 --> 00:09:48.360 Yeah, and they have the straight version was called Ultimate Surrender, 214 00:09:48.720 --> 00:09:50.480 and that was girl on girl and so I got 215 00:09:50.480 --> 00:09:50.919 to go to those. 216 00:09:50.919 --> 00:09:51.480 Those were fun. 217 00:09:51.679 --> 00:09:54.919 And who were in the audience for those? Everybody Okay, okay. 218 00:09:54.919 --> 00:09:57.240 Nice straight whatever. What a weird time. 219 00:09:57.279 --> 00:10:00.759 But yeah, so you experienced stuff at the Armory I did. 220 00:10:00.840 --> 00:10:02.919 That's where I shot some of my first like I 221 00:10:02.960 --> 00:10:05.919 guess the most like more mainstream when I started doing 222 00:10:05.919 --> 00:10:07.399 stuff that was like more than just amateur. 223 00:10:07.879 --> 00:10:10.799 Okay, were you more in the dom or sub position 224 00:10:10.879 --> 00:10:11.720 in these scenes? 225 00:10:11.879 --> 00:10:14.440 It's so funny, I think, like most people start out 226 00:10:14.600 --> 00:10:16.960 as a sub So what were my first I can't 227 00:10:17.039 --> 00:10:18.799 even remember what my Oh yeah, my first one was 228 00:10:18.840 --> 00:10:22.919 Oh my god, with Claire Adams, such an amazing BDSM practitioner. 229 00:10:22.960 --> 00:10:24.639 I was so honored to shoot with her. I'm like 230 00:10:24.679 --> 00:10:26.159 a major leather nerd. 231 00:10:26.399 --> 00:10:28.000 I love it. 232 00:10:28.200 --> 00:10:30.840 It's such a fangirl of I was already bondage modeling. 233 00:10:30.879 --> 00:10:33.720 I was already going to kink events and getting tied 234 00:10:33.840 --> 00:10:39.080 up and rip my first Sir jack Hammer he has 235 00:10:39.159 --> 00:10:41.080 now passed, and but he came up to me at 236 00:10:41.080 --> 00:10:42.559 bondage of Go Go one night and was like, you 237 00:10:42.559 --> 00:10:46.440 want to get tied up? That sort of began at all, 238 00:10:46.440 --> 00:10:48.720 and he was modeling there and so I shot with 239 00:10:48.720 --> 00:10:51.919 Claire Adams for Device Bondage and like my second scene, 240 00:10:51.960 --> 00:10:53.519 I was like, I would love to do a suspension 241 00:10:53.519 --> 00:10:56.559 and anal. No one talked to me about a SEO, 242 00:10:56.759 --> 00:10:58.440 like why do I smell my name like that? Because 243 00:10:58.480 --> 00:11:01.600 it looked good on the strip club white Bord that 244 00:11:01.879 --> 00:11:03.360 was by CEO at the time. 245 00:11:03.399 --> 00:11:06.639 I'm very old, but. 246 00:11:06.639 --> 00:11:08.360 Yeah, no one was like, hey, you should start out 247 00:11:08.399 --> 00:11:10.960 with girl girl and then you should like save anal 248 00:11:11.080 --> 00:11:12.879 for like your second year, and then. 249 00:11:12.919 --> 00:11:15.840 Like no one was really I don't know anything about this. 250 00:11:16.120 --> 00:11:19.679 Well, even like even guys in only Fans, the straight 251 00:11:19.720 --> 00:11:22.360 guys that I've shot with are like they build up 252 00:11:22.399 --> 00:11:25.480 to like no condom or like they're like they only 253 00:11:25.519 --> 00:11:29.120 do oral and then they only do like condo sex 254 00:11:29.159 --> 00:11:29.879 and then they're. 255 00:11:30.039 --> 00:11:36.440 Like just so like wow, because give it away, right yeah. 256 00:11:36.559 --> 00:11:39.360 And like when I started doing studio porn, I was 257 00:11:39.440 --> 00:11:42.519 a Falcon exclusive and I'd been one for a few months, 258 00:11:42.559 --> 00:11:44.879 and I was talking to Tony DeMarco and he was like, 259 00:11:45.159 --> 00:11:47.080 he's like, yeah, usually, I mean a lot of times 260 00:11:47.080 --> 00:11:50.080 we'd let guys just like top for a while and 261 00:11:50.120 --> 00:11:52.720 then so that it's like a big reveal when when 262 00:11:52.879 --> 00:11:54.440 they bought them for the first time and he was 263 00:11:54.480 --> 00:11:57.159 like you just He's like, you just did it all 264 00:11:57.240 --> 00:11:59.399 right away. 265 00:12:00.000 --> 00:12:01.960 I think that's like, well, I mean because some of 266 00:12:01.960 --> 00:12:05.799 my first experiences were either like amateur sort of community driven, 267 00:12:05.840 --> 00:12:09.000 they were driven by my interest in sexuality, not my 268 00:12:09.120 --> 00:12:12.840 desire to succeed in a capitalistic healthcape. 269 00:12:13.080 --> 00:12:15.159 But I think that like the sort. 270 00:12:15.039 --> 00:12:18.039 Of the ladder of engagement if you live in to 271 00:12:18.159 --> 00:12:21.720 use a marketing term for sex work, it's a very capitalist, 272 00:12:21.759 --> 00:12:24.840 business driven thought process, whereas I think the three of 273 00:12:24.919 --> 00:12:26.879 us clearly were like we just. 274 00:12:26.720 --> 00:12:29.559 Want to have some fun. Yeah, like have some fun, 275 00:12:29.639 --> 00:12:33.639 make some money, right yeah, journey wow. Yeah, I don't 276 00:12:33.679 --> 00:12:35.000 even know why I haven't thought. 277 00:12:34.840 --> 00:12:37.960 About it that way before that there is strateause you 278 00:12:38.240 --> 00:12:40.919 had an interest in doing it already, Like you didn't, 279 00:12:41.240 --> 00:12:43.399 you weren't. You were just doing it to have a 280 00:12:43.440 --> 00:12:46.600 good time and like have sex with people that maybe 281 00:12:46.600 --> 00:12:48.360 you wouldn't get to have sex with unless you are 282 00:12:48.360 --> 00:12:49.480 filming it totally. 283 00:12:49.960 --> 00:12:52.159 And the space that gets created, that's what I love. 284 00:12:52.639 --> 00:12:55.360 So, as I mentioned, I've done almost like every type 285 00:12:55.399 --> 00:12:58.279 of sex work for the most part, from actual strip 286 00:12:58.279 --> 00:12:59.720 clubs to the nearly. 287 00:12:59.440 --> 00:13:02.720 Extinct deep show. But porn is hands down my favorite. 288 00:13:02.840 --> 00:13:06.240 Is it absolutely both as a performer and as a 289 00:13:06.240 --> 00:13:09.519 producer director now because it's like you a, I come 290 00:13:09.559 --> 00:13:12.320 from a production family and background. I've been doing theater 291 00:13:12.480 --> 00:13:15.240 and things like that since i was you know, knee high, 292 00:13:15.639 --> 00:13:18.279 and so it just comes very naturally mean and I 293 00:13:18.320 --> 00:13:20.360 love the space that we get to create for each other. 294 00:13:20.440 --> 00:13:23.159 And just like, Okay, now it's about the thing that's 295 00:13:23.200 --> 00:13:25.320 going in your hole. I am going to have wipes 296 00:13:25.360 --> 00:13:26.759 for you on the side. We are going to have 297 00:13:26.799 --> 00:13:29.039 water on standby because you're going to do this cool 298 00:13:29.080 --> 00:13:30.440 thing and we're all going to like clap about it. 299 00:13:30.759 --> 00:13:34.200 You do have a nurturing presence. 300 00:13:35.440 --> 00:13:39.279 Because you directed Adam and me. Did I say that right? 301 00:13:39.879 --> 00:13:48.840 Of Adam and Me in a disruptive scene. Narcis narciss 302 00:13:49.200 --> 00:13:50.720 narciss when is it? 303 00:13:50.879 --> 00:13:55.919 Don't think they have a very methodical I'll say meticulous 304 00:13:55.960 --> 00:13:58.159 now release schedule over it disruptive so who knows. 305 00:13:58.279 --> 00:14:00.399 Yeah, the scenes that I've done for disrupt of like 306 00:14:00.440 --> 00:14:02.240 some of them have just come out that I did 307 00:14:02.240 --> 00:14:04.879 a long time ago, and I was like, oh wow, 308 00:14:05.080 --> 00:14:07.919 so it'd be nice if this at the same time. 309 00:14:07.960 --> 00:14:08.919 Wouldn't that beautiful? 310 00:14:08.960 --> 00:14:13.919 But yeah, that would be amazing cross marketing now. 311 00:14:13.919 --> 00:14:15.679 But we got there and we were like, I think 312 00:14:15.679 --> 00:14:18.000 I got there first, and you're like, send the doorway first. 313 00:14:18.080 --> 00:14:21.600 There's like a robe on the bed and like floss 314 00:14:21.600 --> 00:14:25.440 and mouthwash and every tooth pressure in the bathroom and 315 00:14:25.480 --> 00:14:27.159 you come in and you're like, would you like any tea? 316 00:14:27.840 --> 00:14:29.840 Yes, yeah, it's really great. 317 00:14:29.879 --> 00:14:31.440 It was like tea sounds great? 318 00:14:31.840 --> 00:14:34.799 And I appreciate also, I think we've worked together twice 319 00:14:34.879 --> 00:14:38.600 yees now, and I love also how collaborative you are. 320 00:14:38.919 --> 00:14:41.200 You don't bark orders, You're kind of like, we're creating 321 00:14:41.240 --> 00:14:44.120 this together. It's going to be something fun and beautiful, 322 00:14:44.639 --> 00:14:47.919 and I really appreciate that. How soon after performing did 323 00:14:47.960 --> 00:14:49.960 you start getting into behind a camera. 324 00:14:50.879 --> 00:14:54.159 I was really hungry for it, so immmediately I was 325 00:14:54.279 --> 00:14:56.759 in high school, I was not just you know, playing 326 00:14:56.759 --> 00:14:58.399 the wick of Witch of the West and the Wizard 327 00:14:58.399 --> 00:15:01.000 of Oz. I was also like, I'm a senior project. 328 00:15:01.120 --> 00:15:04.799 It's it's a devised piece actually, and I like you. 329 00:15:04.960 --> 00:15:08.360 I was just so I want to create the whole thing, 330 00:15:08.919 --> 00:15:11.799 and so I was looking for opportunities to do that always, 331 00:15:11.840 --> 00:15:13.480 like I had the opportunity to actually where I'm not. 332 00:15:13.559 --> 00:15:16.440 My husband and collaborative partner, Michael Vegas was on my 333 00:15:16.480 --> 00:15:20.679 first gang bang, which was for was fantasy gang Bangs, 334 00:15:20.720 --> 00:15:22.879 I think is what it was called, and Matress Madeline 335 00:15:23.000 --> 00:15:27.320 was really intent on each model creating a true fantasy 336 00:15:27.399 --> 00:15:30.519 that she had and so that gave me a little 337 00:15:30.559 --> 00:15:33.240 taste of like, oh okay, I can say what the 338 00:15:33.279 --> 00:15:35.080 boys are wearing when they fucked made. 339 00:15:36.519 --> 00:15:39.519 Like I like this. I like that it is it 340 00:15:39.559 --> 00:15:41.240 is kind of a form of control, I guess. 341 00:15:41.480 --> 00:15:43.879 I like, Yeah, my gang bangs that I've done, I'm 342 00:15:43.919 --> 00:15:49.720 like I am always in complete control. Yeah, tight bottom dumb, 343 00:15:52.159 --> 00:15:55.320 because I had, like the misconception about a gang bang 344 00:15:55.399 --> 00:15:58.600 is that you're just like used and like whatever. But 345 00:15:59.080 --> 00:16:00.759 I mean I guess there are gang bangs that give 346 00:16:00.840 --> 00:16:04.879 that impression, but it's mostly but I'm like, I like 347 00:16:04.919 --> 00:16:05.960 being in control anyway. 348 00:16:06.360 --> 00:16:09.120 It's more like you're the flyer in a massive cheerleading stunt. 349 00:16:09.600 --> 00:16:12.200 You like, there's all of these bases and you're the 350 00:16:12.240 --> 00:16:16.000 one getting penetrated, but everyone's helping everyone do the thing. 351 00:16:16.519 --> 00:16:18.879 Is that how it felt doing those scenes for sure? 352 00:16:19.000 --> 00:16:21.919 Absolutely, especially because like the other performers were folks I 353 00:16:21.919 --> 00:16:24.200 had worked with, like Mickey Maud was there, Owen Gray 354 00:16:24.320 --> 00:16:25.240 was there, John. 355 00:16:25.519 --> 00:16:28.759 I love Owen Gray. He's one of my favorite people. 356 00:16:29.080 --> 00:16:30.879 Like I haven't seen him in years, but I don't 357 00:16:30.919 --> 00:16:33.039 even know how we met. I think it might have 358 00:16:33.080 --> 00:16:35.600 been at the armory and we just became like friends. 359 00:16:35.759 --> 00:16:39.159 He took me on a hike and took these beautiful 360 00:16:39.159 --> 00:16:39.799 photos of me. 361 00:16:39.840 --> 00:16:40.200 I don't know. 362 00:16:40.320 --> 00:16:41.960 He's like kind of like one of my straight boy 363 00:16:42.279 --> 00:16:44.039 crushes forever say. 364 00:16:43.879 --> 00:16:48.039 We all yeah, yeah so. And then I did a 365 00:16:48.080 --> 00:16:51.480 wonderful gang bang also with Michael for the infamous Treasure 366 00:16:51.519 --> 00:16:52.480 Island Media. 367 00:16:53.000 --> 00:16:54.080 Which was one of these. 368 00:16:54.080 --> 00:16:54.840 It was wonderful. 369 00:16:54.919 --> 00:16:58.039 Fuck Whole's three baby, I was I think the only 370 00:16:58.200 --> 00:17:01.639 up until that point and probably still cis female too. 371 00:17:01.559 --> 00:17:02.399 I was just going to ask. 372 00:17:02.480 --> 00:17:05.799 I didn't know The Treasure Island ever had women's that's amazing, 373 00:17:06.440 --> 00:17:08.119 what a distinction. 374 00:17:08.160 --> 00:17:11.359 Very bad, very fad so, and that was a little 375 00:17:11.359 --> 00:17:11.759 bit different. 376 00:17:11.799 --> 00:17:14.640 But I still had like three very close friends who 377 00:17:14.720 --> 00:17:17.519 I'd performed with previously. So it's like Michael and I 378 00:17:17.599 --> 00:17:21.000 were friends and seen partners for years before we started 379 00:17:21.079 --> 00:17:24.119 dating and eventually got married. But I definitely identified him 380 00:17:24.160 --> 00:17:26.279 as like my dance partner in the space. If I 381 00:17:26.359 --> 00:17:28.279 was going to get to choose male talent, like, he 382 00:17:28.319 --> 00:17:28.839 was top of my. 383 00:17:28.799 --> 00:17:30.440 List, cause I mean, yeah, can you throw up a 384 00:17:30.480 --> 00:17:32.799 couple of those pictures? I have these pictures. I just 385 00:17:32.839 --> 00:17:36.319 think they're so cute, the red carpet ones. Oh yes, 386 00:17:37.079 --> 00:17:38.880 Like look how you guys look like you have so 387 00:17:39.000 --> 00:17:39.359 much fun? 388 00:17:39.480 --> 00:17:40.000 We really do. 389 00:17:40.359 --> 00:17:43.519 Yeah, there's one more too. I love these looks. 390 00:17:43.920 --> 00:17:44.400 Thank you. 391 00:17:44.759 --> 00:17:47.000 I've always been a unique sort of person in the 392 00:17:47.000 --> 00:17:49.160 industry and didn't quite fit into the mold of like 393 00:17:49.599 --> 00:17:52.279 teen or mill for tattoo. 394 00:17:52.279 --> 00:17:54.240 I won't have enough tattoos to be an alt girl. 395 00:17:55.160 --> 00:17:56.279 It's just kind of me. 396 00:17:56.880 --> 00:17:59.440 And you know, award shows are always a little stressful 397 00:17:59.440 --> 00:18:02.000 because you have to it's almost like an audition. You 398 00:18:02.000 --> 00:18:04.039 know you're gonna be seeing all these people totally. Yeah, 399 00:18:04.079 --> 00:18:05.000 you want to be wearing the right. 400 00:18:05.000 --> 00:18:07.400 Fit's networking for sure. Yeah. 401 00:18:07.440 --> 00:18:09.920