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Speaker 1: Yes, indeed, off of a weekend that has seen Jeron

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Boots and has become the unified welterweight champion by virtue

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of his stoppage of amintaestanionis we are ready to recap

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Good Big here at the beginning of the show, Big Dan,

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good to have you. It's good to be Jaron Ennis

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off the weekend. How are you feeling?

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Speaker 2: I feel good. I think Boots Ennes probably feels better

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than both of us combined.

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Speaker 1: Agreed with that performance. Can't say that we didn't expect

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him to win, but an impressive showing. Over standionis, let's

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get right into it. What stood out here because there

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was a lot to like, I would think in front

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of the roaring crowd as we theorized in Atlantic City.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it was a great performance, that's the first thing.

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I mean, it was a time where you've heard for

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years how great Boutsennis is going to be, hadn't had

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the opportunity thus far to fight another champion or another

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fighter that was considered a legit top guy in his

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weight class. He's bought some decent names, but they were

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guys who were maybe you know, smaller who are coming up,

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or guys on the back end of their careers. Lipinett's

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for example, those types of opponents which he had done

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the job against, but not somebody that had a level

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of respect that Stanionis I think had from boxing fans,

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from and just the industry, from media, et cetera. And

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so when you hear that this guy's supposed to be

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and I'll use the word, that just drives me crazy.

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I hate the phrase, but people love the throat down

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generational talent. Okay, if you're gonna be a generational talent,

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then you gotta do what you did against the Stanionis.

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And you know what, I don't know if Boots is

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the generational talent that people claim he is, but at

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the very least he did that. So that's a great

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step in that direction by doing what he did to

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not only win and force Stanionis's trainer, Marvin Simodio to

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pull him out after around number six, but he he dominated.

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I mean, in many ways, DJ it was. The level

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of Stanionis Is not at the same level of an

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Arrow Spence, but the way that Boots went about it

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and the total destruction and dismantling was reminiscent of the

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previous welterweight king, which was Terrence Crawford, who when they

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were battling for welterweight supremacy as supposedly Jaron Ennis and

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stani Ois were doing, given that they were undefeated, they

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were both champions, the the Ring magazine title was at stake.

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But the way that he went about and did what

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he did to Stanionis was kind of like what Crawford

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did to Errol Spence, where you left no doubt you

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beat down this man, you dropped him, and you got

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the stoppage. I mean it was you know, it was

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a few rounds earlier, I mean than that, But I'm

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just making the point that when I saw the way

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it was, it was going down and it was clear

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that it was a total domination from the beginning. By

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the time we got in this fight to like, I

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don't know, like rounds four to five, you're like, okay,

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this is like that type of avalanche beat down where

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the other guy just has oh.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he was hammered into the body. He was

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clearly scoring with the upper cut in particular. I thought

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that was interesting. And once stani Otis was bleeding from

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the nose and was getting staggered a couple of times,

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matter of time. Did it surprise you because he went down,

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and I have not in full disclosure. I've been in

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a couple of different worlds, including with the Master's golf tournament.

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I read my Rayfield recap on the substack, but I

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didn't see anything about a body injury, cracked rib or

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anything like that to make me go okay, that would

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be why you wave it off in the corner. I

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was surprised that he didn't come back out to start

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one more round and at least try it again. We

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don't take the punches. It's easy for all of us

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to sit here and go, oh, he should fight on.

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He's been getting hit and cracked in the body and

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in the face for the previous three or four rounds.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's lost every single round he knock down. His

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face is a bloody mess. I don't know if this

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is part of the reason, And maybe it was on

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his mind or his trainer's mind, or they had the

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conversation before the fight. His wife is like literally about

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to give birth at any moment, right, and so he

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obviously was not with her to go through with this

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life altering fight in terms of the financial aspect of it.

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So all that together it was a little surprising when

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you're in your biggest fight by far like and it

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may sound cruel and inhumane and whatever, but a lot

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of boxing fans I had no Just to the record,

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I had no problem with the stoppage at all, but

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a lot of people feel like you should take a

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little bit more before it's over. Now, if that's right

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or wrong, that's you know, I can't answer that. Well, let's.

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Speaker 1: To this, did he still have a chance to land

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the huge punch? And that segues into he landed some

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punches Boots in us and this has got to be

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a concern for in us defensively. But just while we're

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on this specific point, did he still have a chance

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to land a big punch that could have altered the fight?

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I mean, it's reasonable, but not likely.

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Speaker 2: I agree it's reasonable. I mean, he landed some beautiful

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left hands, but Boots took them really well. And I

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thought that Boots it was defensively responsible. He didn't get

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hit with crazy shots, but you know, it's a professional

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boxing match. You're going to get hit, and not everybody

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has the defensive abilities of the great defensive fighters of

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all time. You know of a Willie Pepa Floyd Mayweather,

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a Pernol whittaker, people like that. But yeah, I think

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at that point he had so much taken out of

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him already, the chances of him coming up with that

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shot were not the best, I wouldn't think. But so,

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like I said, I don't have a particular issue with

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the stop, but Jen, I've known Marvin's emodio for a

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very long time. He's worked with Freddie Roach for years

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and years. He's a very quality guy and a compassionate guy.

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And you know what, his guy will live to fight

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another day. Stanionis is thirty years old, he's got one loss.

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And you know, if in your career you go back

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and look and said, you know, I did all the

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things I did, and you know what, Okay, so I

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lost to Joon Ennis, who may go on to do

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you know, much greater things as time rolls on. That

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won't look so bad on your record. Now. The one

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thing about it is so now Boots will have the

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label as being number one in the welterweight division. And

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I think that's pretty clear no matter what your opinion is.

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And this is not a knock on Stanionis or Mario Barrios,

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who's got the ABEBC title, or Brian Norman, who's still

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sort of a newcomer in terms of being a champion

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with the w BO belt. The welterweight division is there's

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some fun fights to be made between those guys, but

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in terms of overall star power slash talent level and depth,

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it's kind of down. I mean, Okay, Ryan Garci's coming

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into the division, Devin Hainey's coming into the division, but

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neither of them have done anything in the weight class.

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We're going to see a t Tem Lopez in that

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weight class, you know, in the near future, I would imagine.

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But when you compare it to the recent era with

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Crawford and Spence and Porter and Kahn and you know,

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kel Brooke and Danny Garcia, Thurman, Lamont Peterson, you name it.

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I mean all those fighters, this is not that weight class.

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So while I respect what Boots did to stamp himself

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number one, I've been reading a lot of stuff about

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like you know, and and I listened to Eddie Hern

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and I get it. He's this promoter, he's excited pound

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for pound, tear up the list. He's number one. Give

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me a fucking I need to I need to get

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this off my chest. Like I said, you know, we've

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discussed it a thousand times. I'm a big Boots Innis fan.

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Tremendous fun fighter to watch, obviously very talented. I've had

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enjoyable interviews with him on a number of occasions, so

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all that is good. But I am not not just

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in the case of Ennis, but anybody. I'm not anointing

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anybody pound for pound or telling anybody he's a future

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Hall of Famer or he's the greatest thing since sliced bread.

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Because you're the fining win in a decade long career.

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Is a monte Stanionis right, who again no knock Olympian, undefeated,

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but not a very good reason.

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Speaker 1: This is the first world champion you've beaten.

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Speaker 2: Stanionis is a guy who has had a he was

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coming off in this fight a one year layoff. It

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was only his second or his first fight in his

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second fight in three years. So it's one thing to

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get that belt to unify the two titles. It's another

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thing to also grab up the ring hold on the

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Ring Magazine title, which is obviously significant. I get it.

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I've been writing about that belt since they brought it

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back many years ago. But I don't know. His biggest

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win is what a no contest or not a win,

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A no contest against Louis Colaso, a split decision against

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the Buttajev, a decision against Thomas Delomey who got knocked

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out by everybody. I'm just saying Stanionis's resume had nothing

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on it. He was gifted a title because of the

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secondary WBA thing. So again, respect for the performance, but

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I need to see more before I tell you that

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he is a generational talent and pear up the pound

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for penalist, or that I can get that excited about

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that particular a name on the resume.

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Speaker 1: And there is a legitimate point to be made again

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to circle back to it, in the last fight with Shikanzian,

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and in this fight he got hit, and an argument

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can be made if you're in with a world class

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fighter that can punch, this is potentially troubled the way

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I mean he got hit.

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Speaker 2: I don't worry about that, but I'm.

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying that on a night where he's in control,

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he was in control, but he still got popped over

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and almost like he gets a little lax and forgets

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about the defense. I know Sergio more was pointing out that, hey,

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he sometimes throws a punch and just stays in the

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same place kind of with the hands down, gets hit.

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Speaker 2: I don't to me, that's not necessarily disqualifying in terms

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of pound for pound.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying disqualifying in terms of pound for pound,

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but it brings up the point that if he's in

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with a more powerful puncher, whoever it is, I don't

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know who it is right now. Is this a concern?

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You don't seem to think it's that much about not say.

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Speaker 2: The reason why is because I can think of a

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million guys who turned out to be greats of greats

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who took punches, who are great fighters. I mean Brera Morales, Marquez, Pacio,

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Oscar de la Hoya got hit. I mean, we can

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go through a thousand guys who you know, Terrence Crawford

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gets hit. You know, Errol Spence got hit. You know,

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when he was at his best, he was getting hit.

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I mean, there's plenty of guys that are We're either

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elite in their weight class, unified champions. I'm the pounds

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for poundless future Hall of famers. However, you want to

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describe a number of those guys I mentioned or or

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or got elected to the Hall of Fame. They get hit.

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It's fucking a fight, so that that to me is

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not a big thing. I just I'm I'm trying to

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maintain my enthusiasm for it. Boots did, but not get

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too out of control because we all have the the

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it's you know, you're in the moment. I would try

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to take Danius that you beat. But he didn't beat Parnell,

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he didn't beat Floyd, he didn't beat Oscar, he didn't

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beat pak Yaw.

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Speaker 1: I got.

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Speaker 2: I meant, by the way, you want to talk about

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getting hit, gets hit?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So enough, Just one more? What is more likely

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in your mind before we move on to the undercard

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of the match Room show. Is it more likely he

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sticks around and fights another welterweight title fight, maybe a

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unification fight, or is it more likely he moves up

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to one fifty four? You spoke to the man in

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advance of the fight. He said, after it was over

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to Chris Mannox in the ring on his own, I

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gotta take some time with my family. I got I

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gotta see what's out there. He then got pressed on

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don't you want to move up to junior middleweight. Have

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you had trouble make it win? And he again gave

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the same answer, which is, I gotta take some time.

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What do you believe is more likely he sticks around

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it well to waiter moves up well.

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Speaker 2: Number one, I always I always pause if the guy

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gives some type of definitive answer about those types of

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things in the ring after the fight. And you know,

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ask it, that's fine. So this is nothing about the

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asking of what your future is though I'm sure was

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asked by many people after the fight, not just by

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Chris and the ring, but it's also reasonable for the

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for the athlete to say, you know what I just

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fought five minutes ago. I just got you know, a

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huge win, and I want to, like, let me give

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me some time to take it in and to enjoy

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it and before I have to think about getting back

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into hard training camp. But what I want to do

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and the question is who's he going to fight next?

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you know, with another one of the champions, like if

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they can go back and you know, well, I don't

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know about what. I'm not sure what Barrios is thinking about.

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I'm not sure what he's at. But he's got a

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mandatory that's supposedly, uh gonna be that's yeah, I don't

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know if it has been ordered supposed to be ordered.

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conversation with Brian Norman. Remember back in the fall, they

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were negotiating for a unification because at that moment it

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was the only way that he could get away from

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doing the rematch with Chakazi, and because under IBF rules,

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you you can put that off if you unify, and

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that was the only unification available. So they got down

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the road on that. As it turned out, they were

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like five hundred thousand dollars apart, and they went their

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separate ways, and Norman then defended his title for the

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first time, you know, a few weeks ago. Look very

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good against you know, a lower level type of opponent.

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So maybe they'll revisit that. I still think that would

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probably be a pretty good fight. And I think that

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even though you know, Ennis would certainly be the big

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favorite in that fight. Brian Norman, I believe would compete

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with him. Uh, you know, he's a good athlete with

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good power and uh you know, youth and speed and all.

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Speaker 1: That, and the timeline matches up. Yeah. They just mentioned

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Norman having just caught a couple of weeks ago. They

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could fight later this summer. Can we have good things?

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I said it for the first time on the podcast.

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Speaker 2: Here's where we want he's you know, because I don't

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think the Norman fight's the next fight, that's my opinion.

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I think what may happen, And and Eddie made the

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point in the ring afterwards that they're going to take

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him back to Philadelphia, which is smart, you fish where

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the fish are. So all, I've had, you know, three

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out of four fights in Philly, with the other fight

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being Atlantic City, which is you know, a short down

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a short drive down the expressway. Remember Gisov, who will

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talk about him. Then he fought on the undercard, and

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when Boots won the fight, he inherited Giusov as the mandatory,

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which was Stanionis's mandatory. Remember, before Stanionis against Boots was made,

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the fight between Stanionis and Giosov was ordered. Gisov was

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also a matxroom fighter, TGB and PBC that work with

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Stanionis had made a deal with Matchroom to do that

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mandatory fight. It was supposed to be Stanionis against Giusov

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on a Spring PBC card. In the end, they Giusov

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agreed to step aside to allow this fight to take

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place between Stanionis and Ennis. So it is not out

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of the question that if they want to do some

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type of quick turnaround and come back this summer or

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you know, I guess whatever, it would be to take

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him to Philadelphia and Eddie can make that fight in

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two seconds, Ennis against Giosov, get the mandatory out of

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the way, and look, you know, Gisov may not be

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a well known guy, but he got some exposure on

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the show. He was an Olympic silver medalist, he is undefeated,

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et cetera. So I think that's a possibility. And you

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also have to look at what Turkey Alshika has been

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speaking of, and this again would be further down the

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road before he gets to one hundred and fifty four

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pounds weight class, which he'll be there eventually. It's just

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a matter is that one more fight, two more fights?

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You know about the May second card in Times Square,

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if Devin Haney and Ryan Garcia win and they do

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the rematch in the fall in Saudi Arabia and if

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Tiafimo beats his guy Barbosa to retain the junior welterweight

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title on that May second undercard. Turkey would like to

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have Tiafimo fight his next fight on the same cart

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in Saudi Arabia with the Hainy Garcia rematch, and said

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he'd like it to be for him to go up

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to challenge Boots Sends for the welterweight title. So if

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you can't unify, there are worse things in the world.

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To fight an undefeated Olympic medalist in a mandatory get

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it out of the way, or to take on a

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big name later in the year like tia Fimo Lopez,

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which was a marquee fight as well that she'll be

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very very well paid. So he's going to have a

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huge amount of options. So his options would be the mandatory,

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maybe tia Fimo later in the year. If ta Femo wins,

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maybe there's the possibility of making a fight with Barrios

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or with Brian Norman, or you know, go to one

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fifty four where there's obviously a storyline about everything that

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went on with the fight not happening against Virgil Artist

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Junior and other junior middleweights. It's a hot division. It's

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good to be the king right now, Bootsennez. He's got

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a huge amount of opportunities. There'll be a lot of

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money for him. He's got a good fan base, there's

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plenty of opponents for him at fifty four and forty seven,

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and because now, besides just being the champion and having

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the belts, he also draws a crowd. So I mean,

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he's got a lot going for him, and he's still

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a superb fighter, and I look forward to seeing him

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back in the ring against any of those types of guys.

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Speaker 1: Good enough, I rest the uncroll we mentioned giosof did

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knockout Franco o'campo.

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Speaker 2: Was this was a rough one on gisof Okay.

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Speaker 1: So, for the record, I did not see that fight.

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I am aware that he scored the knockout. Do you

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have anything else to add on that other domors?

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Speaker 2: No, yeah, I mean the main thing about it was,

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I mean, it wasn't like he beat a top guy

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in terms of his victory against Frank Olcampo. This was

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not like a well known opponent seventeen to three now

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with eight knockouts at Argentina Argentinian fighter who he dropped early,

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and then you know, finished off with seeing plan some

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very tremendous body shots and beat them up. But the

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thing that was so emotional about it was watching Gisov

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in the interview number one. You know, it's always the

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gamble when you're the mandatory and you've now risked that position.

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So he did get safely through that to retain the position,

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but it was very heartbreaking because if you followed along

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with the news, it was about a month ago that

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his two year old daughter, she died because she had

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this very rare brain condition. Wow, so he's been in

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the training camp going through this obviously, you know, losing

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your daughter like that was that's more horrible no matter

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what the scenario. But to be doing it when you

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got a fight on your on your mind, which is

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the future of your life and your family in terms

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of your finances, you know, there was a lot of

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pent up emotions. So when Mannix was in the ring

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with him afterwards, I thought Chris did a really good

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job with the interview. You know, he asked him about

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the fight appropriately, but you know, you got to ask

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about it, so he did in a very professional and uh,

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I thought, good way. And you know, Giosov got all

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choked up. I couldn't blame I almost got choked up

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watching it and he started to cry a little bit.

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But uh, you know, talking about we did it for

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his daughter and everything. So you know, it's unfortunate that

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it happened, obviously, but it's if he does get the

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title shot. It's a huge part of the storyline of

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the fight. I mean, you wish it wasn't, but it

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is what it is. So yeah, I mean you catty

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and not root for the guy. Sure, I mean to

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go what he's been through like that.

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Speaker 1: Both parents and that horrible thing. And thank you because

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again this is why you are who you are, illuminating

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that for those who were not aware, I was not

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aware until you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll tell you what to think about though, in

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terms of Giosov, and this was the fight that opened

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up the main card. I was at Gisov's previous fight

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when he fought on the boardwalk in Santa Monica the

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week you know, a few days before Terence Crawford fought

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Magromov in Los Angeles, and you know, he won the fight,

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but it was very unimpressive. He just sort of like

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sort and again he was risking the mandatory position at

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that time too. He kind of went through the motions.

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I felt like he you know, he won. I think

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officially he was a split decision or a majority of this,

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even though I thought he definitely won the fight, but

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it was nothing to write home. Aback, You're like, you know,

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I'm not sure this guy is like a real contender.

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He actually did look a lot better now. He was

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fighting a similar sort of lower not I won't call

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him a lower level opponent, but not in elite a

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contender type, and he looked good. He had snappy punches,

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he landed, like I said, some good shots. He you know,

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he was very offensive minded like I said, dropped him

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in the first round, and then the fourth round put

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him down, uh you know, to the knee with with

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a bunch of body shots, and you know, the guy

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just wanted no more and let the you know, he

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was there old I'll get up at ten and a

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half kind of thing, and uh, you know, God got

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a good knockout in that fight. So I'm not sure

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I would I would pick him to beat Boots Ennis,

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But considering he's an undefeated fighter, he is a mandatory.

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He's coming off this knockout. He is a silver medal

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winner in the Olympic Games. You know, if Boots has

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to go that route, I don't really have a problem

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with it, though you'd like to see more of a

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marquee opponent.

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Speaker 1: All right, So back to the co feature right before

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the Boots fight. That was Raymond Ford and Thomas Matise.

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Oh God, which Rayphael has on my rundown garbage fight

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for the ages. That's one way to describe it. Now

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you have to confess to me that you did not

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live through this live. I will confess to the audience.

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I picked it up in about round five, and I

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could have picked it up in the final thirty seconds

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of round ten and probably been a lot better off.

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One sided Matise, I mean round after round Danny wouldn't

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doing anything in his fight, had a bit of a

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swollen eye. Ford in complete control, boring, one sided fight fall.

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That's me saying that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, So I mean, let's get this out

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of the way. Ford won the fight one hundred ninety

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on all three scorecards. And if you scored any round

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for a tease, You're a fucking idiot and should be

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excommunicated from the boxing unit. I mean that, that's the

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clearest you know, if you want to you want to

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teach a judging panel or you know, do us some

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of I had to score a shutout.

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Speaker 1: You want to see a shutout, We're going to show

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you a shutout. This is how that.

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Speaker 2: Was not even there was nothing remotely competitive or interesting

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about this fight, you know, I mean, look for it.

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You know, he did what he's got to do.

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Speaker 1: I didn't.

470
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Speaker 2: I didn't think it was a great performance. But you know,

471
00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:16,160
at least he was there to fight. I mean, the

472
00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:18,599
other guy just was not there. He was a you know,

473
00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:20,119
a guy that just showed up for the pay day,

474
00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:24,039
if you asked me. So as horrible as it could

475
00:22:24,079 --> 00:22:27,559
possibly possibly get. So I need to illuminate with you

476
00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:30,279
for a brief moment about the copy box. Now I

477
00:22:30,319 --> 00:22:31,920
say it every time we discussed it. It's not the

478
00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,000
end all be all, but it always serves, in my opinion,

479
00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:37,720
as a quality guide to the to the fight. So

480
00:22:37,839 --> 00:22:41,640
I asked you TJ Reeves, HM, my somewhat competent co host,

481
00:22:41,759 --> 00:22:45,319
thank you. How pathetic was Matis is showing. Would you

482
00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:46,599
like to know how pathetic it was?

483
00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:49,640
Speaker 1: Let me put it this way, how pathetic was his

484
00:22:50,039 --> 00:22:52,759
punch landed output in this ten round bout, Dan.

485
00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:55,519
Speaker 2: It wasn't just landed, it was it was thrown also.

486
00:22:55,799 --> 00:22:59,240
So first of all, uh, ray Ford outlanded him in

487
00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:03,119
every round, which should go without saying. In the entirety

488
00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:08,759
of a ten round fight, Thomas Matisse landed twenty four punches.

489
00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:12,640
I've seen offensive minding guys land twenty four punches in

490
00:23:13,079 --> 00:23:15,480
a round, in a or in a minute of a round.

491
00:23:15,559 --> 00:23:18,000
Right in a round, though, he lands twenty four shots. Now,

492
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,680
maybe that's a credit to ray Ford's defense, but now

493
00:23:20,839 --> 00:23:23,799
it really wasn't. No, And the reason why is because

494
00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:27,160
in the entirety of the fight, a ten round fight,

495
00:23:27,559 --> 00:23:30,720
he threw one hundred and twenty six punches.

496
00:23:30,599 --> 00:23:35,200
Speaker 1: At I went to public school. That is roughly twelve

497
00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:39,960
punches around for ten rounds. That is not an instant,

498
00:23:40,079 --> 00:23:41,240
not existent output.

499
00:23:41,519 --> 00:23:44,400
Speaker 2: Let me give you some historical data. Would you like

500
00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:48,480
some historical data? Teachers in the doubt Copy Box has

501
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:52,000
been tracking boxing matches for forty years. Literally, they started

502
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:57,440
in nineteen eighty five, forty years, and they have tracked

503
00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:01,720
definitely thousands of five five say, probably tens of thousands

504
00:24:01,759 --> 00:24:03,480
of fights at the stage with all the events they

505
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:06,440
have done tens of thousands of fights in a ten

506
00:24:06,559 --> 00:24:09,200
round fight in the history of their company in any

507
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:11,160
way class. This is not just like the one hundred

508
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,400
and thirty pound weight class where this bout took place.

509
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:19,400
In twenty six punches thrown are the fewest ever in

510
00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:21,640
the history of a ten round bout tracked by copy

511
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:26,680
Box in forty years literally ever ever, now the twenty

512
00:24:26,759 --> 00:24:30,319
six punches landed, that is the set. It's tied for

513
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:33,359
second worst of all time. Wow, this is how bad

514
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:35,279
it got when I'm looking at the stats sheet when

515
00:24:35,319 --> 00:24:37,480
they when they sent it over, and you know, it

516
00:24:37,519 --> 00:24:39,640
gives you the round by round, not just the totals,

517
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:41,559
but it gives you what they did per round.

518
00:24:42,279 --> 00:24:42,599
Speaker 1: TJ.

519
00:24:43,319 --> 00:24:46,759
Speaker 2: In the first round, Matisa landed zero out of four.

520
00:24:47,799 --> 00:24:50,079
In the eighth round, he landed zero out of eight.

521
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:54,119
In the tenth round, he landed zero out of five. Now,

522
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:56,559
I tell you it's not as though Raymond Ford is

523
00:24:56,599 --> 00:24:59,400
a bad A is a you know, he's a sound

524
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:01,839
defensive But again I say to you, he is not

525
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,759
Perna Whitaker. He is not Floyd Mayweather, right, he is

526
00:25:04,759 --> 00:25:08,599
not Willie Pep. It is as heinous as it gets.

527
00:25:08,599 --> 00:25:11,720
And so when I saw he had three, I've seen

528
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:15,440
It's rare, but it happens where a guy lands no

529
00:25:15,519 --> 00:25:18,119
punches in a round, and usually it'll be like the

530
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,160
first round, the second round, fights getting started.

531
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,799
Speaker 1: In additions, fight where he didn't get knocked out. Yeah,

532
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:24,000
go get it, go get it under this.

533
00:25:24,079 --> 00:25:26,400
Speaker 2: When I was here as zero and I see it

534
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:30,640
three times, I actually emailed to Bob Knobio, who's the

535
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,759
top guy at COPIAX, his company, and I was like, Bob,

536
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,319
I've been I've been reading your stat sheets and following

537
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,920
year and know your statistics and all that for twenty

538
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,240
five years as a journalist and obviously longer than that

539
00:25:42,519 --> 00:25:45,400
watching you know, the the stats on television. I said,

540
00:25:45,519 --> 00:25:51,079
I'd never seen three ophers in a fight ever, I asked.

541
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:52,319
I was like, is that you know? Is this? Am

542
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:54,759
I losing my mind? So he said he actually emailed

543
00:25:54,759 --> 00:25:57,319
me back this morning Sunday morning. He says he went

544
00:25:57,359 --> 00:25:59,799
over the top ten lists for the fewest punches landed

545
00:26:00,079 --> 00:26:02,240
in a ten round fight and found that Matiza is

546
00:26:02,279 --> 00:26:06,440
the only fighter ever ever to lands zero punches in

547
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:10,960
three different rounds in copy box history, and he followed

548
00:26:11,039 --> 00:26:16,480
up so Lennon Castillo was a light heavyweight in two fights,

549
00:26:16,599 --> 00:26:19,039
and Caine Salvin, who I've never heard of to be

550
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:22,480
quite a boy. They both landed zero punches in two

551
00:26:22,599 --> 00:26:27,000
rounds in one fight. But now our hero Thomas Matisse.

552
00:26:26,799 --> 00:26:31,640
Speaker 1: He has a record to himself of three donuts, three

553
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:35,680
bagels in a ten round fight where you didn't land anything,

554
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,480
all right, So that's hard to do. Okay, We've probably

555
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:39,559
given this too much.

556
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:41,559
Speaker 2: Time, and I'm infatuated with this.

557
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,880
Speaker 1: I understand with how bad that is. So now let's

558
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,839
turn it to Ford, Yes, and what does this mean

559
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:51,480
for him off of the dubious performance of his opponent?

560
00:26:51,839 --> 00:26:54,480
Speaker 2: All right, So, as you know, he lost his featherweight

561
00:26:54,519 --> 00:26:57,240
title in a very close fight by split decision to

562
00:26:57,319 --> 00:27:00,359
Nick Ball last summer, and he then moved up to

563
00:27:00,519 --> 00:27:02,240
junior light. Wait, this was his second win in a

564
00:27:02,319 --> 00:27:04,920
row in the division and his hopes are on one

565
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,599
thing at this point. So he is with Matchroom Boxing.

566
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,160
There's a fighter named Eduardo Sugar Nunias who's also with

567
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:13,799
Matchroom Boxing. Eduardo Sugar Nunias is going to Japan to

568
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,400
fight for the vacant IBF Junior lightweight title on May

569
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:20,440
twenty eighth in Yokohama. He's taken on Massenary Rakishi, and

570
00:27:20,559 --> 00:27:22,799
the great hope is if Sugar Nunyas, who probably will

571
00:27:22,799 --> 00:27:25,240
be favored in that fight even though he's traveling overseas

572
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,559
to go to the other man's country, that if Nuniez

573
00:27:27,599 --> 00:27:31,000
wins the fight, that he's hopeful and I think Eddie

574
00:27:31,039 --> 00:27:33,319
would like to do the fight also to match Nunias

575
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:35,599
against ray Ford in the title fight. Obviously it's gonna

576
00:27:35,599 --> 00:27:38,079
be It's not a mandatory, so you know, Nounyas is

577
00:27:38,079 --> 00:27:39,240
gonna have to agree to it. He's gonna have to

578
00:27:39,279 --> 00:27:41,359
work things up. But if he can win the title,

579
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:45,079
that seems to be the best pathway for Forward to

580
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:47,039
get to a title shot, you know, quickly.

581
00:27:47,839 --> 00:27:51,599
Speaker 1: All right, So he did his part. Even if we

582
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:53,480
have a dubious opponent.

583
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,359
Speaker 2: Spot wise, I still can't get over those stats.

584
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:58,200
Speaker 1: Man. I'm with you. You have knights. Hey, look in baseball,

585
00:27:58,200 --> 00:27:59,839
you covered baseball for a long time. You have Knights.

586
00:28:00,079 --> 00:28:01,480
Have a no hitter where you can't get a hit,

587
00:28:01,839 --> 00:28:04,400
can't get a hit in nine innings of a game.

588
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:06,359
But it's just kind of like the same thing here

589
00:28:06,599 --> 00:28:07,240
when I when.

590
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,039
Speaker 2: I watched that fight a little bit, and I think

591
00:28:09,039 --> 00:28:12,079
about those stats. You know, sometimes there's a movie that's

592
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:15,519
so bad you watch it like ironically, that's what this

593
00:28:15,599 --> 00:28:18,640
fight is. This this fight is the boxing version.

594
00:28:19,279 --> 00:28:21,079
Speaker 1: Let me let me let me flash one for you,

595
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,799
like it's spaking a flashing like Demmy Moore and Burt

596
00:28:23,799 --> 00:28:30,640
Reynolds in strip Tea's so horrifically bad movie.

597
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 2: What's the movie that was such a such a flop

598
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:35,880
with Mariah Carey.

599
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:40,079
Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember, Oh no, no, hold on, hold

600
00:28:40,119 --> 00:28:44,039
on my wife? And was it Gie? I think it

601
00:28:44,119 --> 00:28:46,799
was Gelie where you was with Ben Affleck or whatever.

602
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 2: You watched the movie ironically, and yes, because it's so bad.

603
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:55,039
They tried a shack too.

604
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:59,079
Speaker 1: Is horrific and painful to watch with Jackie Mason And

605
00:28:59,119 --> 00:28:59,480
what was it?

606
00:28:59,559 --> 00:29:02,599
Speaker 2: Sober on an ironic basis, like they make it like

607
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,119
it's supposed to be like a real movie, but you

608
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,039
watch it in derision. When I think of that, That's

609
00:29:08,079 --> 00:29:10,039
what I will always think of if I ever am

610
00:29:10,039 --> 00:29:13,000
prompted to look at anything related that Ford versus Matisse

611
00:29:13,039 --> 00:29:13,559
ever again.

612
00:29:14,839 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 1: All right, So Amari Jones was the opposite of ten

613
00:29:17,759 --> 00:29:22,799
rounds of boredom. This, this is the rising US Olympian

614
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,160
right back in the ring, three weeks after his first

615
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,079
pro fight. He's right back in the ring here in

616
00:29:27,119 --> 00:29:31,920
Atlantic City, and he blitzed William Jackson inside of one round.

617
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,079
Speaker 2: Tell me more, no, like he did what he was

618
00:29:34,119 --> 00:29:36,200
supposed to do. He turned pro a month ago, or

619
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,640
thereabouts three weeks ago. Actually, he scored a knockout in Orlando,

620
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,039
in his hometown. He got a secon round knockout. They've

621
00:29:43,039 --> 00:29:44,839
been putting it in with guys with pretty good records.

622
00:29:44,839 --> 00:29:46,920
But you know, if you explore underneath those records, if

623
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,079
you in the in the immortal words of our great

624
00:29:49,079 --> 00:29:51,559
friend Steve Farhad from the old show box days, if

625
00:29:51,599 --> 00:29:53,960
you go inside the numbers, or go behind the numbers,

626
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,319
as he would say, you'll see that there's not a

627
00:29:56,319 --> 00:29:59,640
lot there. Because William Jackson, who was Amari Jones's opponent,

628
00:30:00,359 --> 00:30:02,720
this was his fourth consecutive loss, third in a row

629
00:30:02,759 --> 00:30:05,799
by knockout, and those were all since twenty twenty one.

630
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,640
But then you go back, he hadn't had his previous

631
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:10,759
fight since a draw in twenty seventeen, and before that

632
00:30:10,799 --> 00:30:13,279
hadn't fought since twenty fourteen. I'm making the point that

633
00:30:13,519 --> 00:30:17,279
since twenty fourteen, this opponent is zero to four with

634
00:30:17,359 --> 00:30:21,640
one draw, including this Sami Jones knockout. So if you're

635
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:23,640
gonna put the guy that high up on the card,

636
00:30:24,039 --> 00:30:26,319
and again, I get that he's in his second professional fight,

637
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,480
I'm not trying to rush him. I'm not saying anything

638
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,240
negative about Amaro Jones. I think he's a phenomenal prospect.

639
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:32,920
I just look at it like you should be that

640
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,960
high on the card if you're fighting a guy, whatever

641
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,160
his record is. That's that dubious of a backve.

642
00:30:38,279 --> 00:30:40,799
Speaker 1: You love my humor and how I circle back to things.

643
00:30:40,799 --> 00:30:44,880
So there's a very famous outdoor shop in Saint Petersburg, Florida, Tampa,

644
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:48,279
Saint Pete cler Water called Bill Jackson's William Jackson's Place,

645
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:53,440
any kind of outdoor whatever you wanted for hunting, fishing, kayaking, whatever.

646
00:30:53,559 --> 00:30:56,839
What you're saying is the Bill Jackson of Bill Jackson's

647
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,880
might have been better than William Jackson in this case, MRI.

648
00:31:00,519 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 2: But the bottom line is Amari Jones did what he's

649
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:03,759
supposed to do. He hit him with a you know,

650
00:31:03,839 --> 00:31:06,480
he let him basically give his you know, a few

651
00:31:06,519 --> 00:31:08,319
seconds of on rush to see if he could do

652
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:12,400
something crazy. It failed miserably, and Amari then took his time,

653
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:13,839
as it were, even though you know, he got the

654
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,519
knockout in like a minute and forty something seconds or

655
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:20,759
fifty something seconds, but he just waited and was very patient,

656
00:31:20,759 --> 00:31:22,920
and when he got the opportunity in Jackson, you know

657
00:31:23,039 --> 00:31:24,720
kind of got a little bit wildly. You know, he

658
00:31:24,799 --> 00:31:27,039
counted him with a beautiful right hand, caught him right

659
00:31:27,079 --> 00:31:28,680
on like almost I think it was like the rib

660
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:31,039
cage or in the solar plexus area, you know, in

661
00:31:31,079 --> 00:31:33,000
the whatever on the side of the of the body,

662
00:31:33,279 --> 00:31:35,279
and the guy just collapsed to the all fours and

663
00:31:35,599 --> 00:31:37,519
you know, was counted out and looked like he was

664
00:31:37,559 --> 00:31:39,319
an agony. So, I mean, he took a real good

665
00:31:39,319 --> 00:31:42,119
shot in that fight. But Amari Jones is going to

666
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,599
stay active. I'm pretty sure that when we see the

667
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,039
next Matriom card that takes place here in the United States,

668
00:31:47,039 --> 00:31:49,599
he'll probably be on it. I wouldn't be surprised, you know,

669
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:51,680
ed if at some point they bring Amari Jones to

670
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,079
the UK to fight on a Mattroom card in England.

671
00:31:54,519 --> 00:31:56,160
Eddie has done that plenty of times in terms of

672
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,359
his American fighters as well as his British guys were

673
00:31:58,519 --> 00:32:01,160
to bring him back and forth to give him international experience.

674
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,079
So Amaro Jones absolutely a fighter to watch, twenty two

675
00:32:04,119 --> 00:32:07,640
years old, tremendous looking crosspect and you know this was

676
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,720
just another stepping stone as he moves along in his career.

677
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:15,079
But the longer picture is, you know, two years from now,

678
00:32:15,279 --> 00:32:17,160
two and a half years from now, something along those lines,

679
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,920
you know we'll be talking about Amari Jones probably stepping

680
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,519
up into like you know, your title eliminator type fights,

681
00:32:22,559 --> 00:32:25,519
taking the path like a Diego Pacheco has taken, or

682
00:32:25,559 --> 00:32:27,559
taken the path like the Ma Williams has taken. The

683
00:32:27,599 --> 00:32:30,799
guys who you can just tell have bright futures, but

684
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:32,640
this kid might be the best of that group.

685
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 1: All right, So good recappage of the Mattroom desone show

686
00:32:37,279 --> 00:32:41,279
in Atlantic City. Let's move on to some news. WBC

687
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:45,880
cruiserweight champion Badu Jack has a new opponent as he

688
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:49,839
gets ready to fight on the Canelo Williams Skull May

689
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:53,480
third show in Riod. Tell me more about what's going

690
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:54,880
on there to start the news off.

691
00:32:55,079 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 2: Well, he was supposed to fight his mandatory who was

692
00:32:57,319 --> 00:32:59,200
Ryan Ruzeki, and this was a fight that had been

693
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:03,359
made now for the undercart Rozick. He's an entertaining fighter

694
00:33:03,359 --> 00:33:06,920
from Canada who had been waiting for this title opportunity,

695
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,079
and that was scheduled for the fight. And then last

696
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,680
week he tore his biceps in a sparring session, and

697
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:13,920
so they had to get into opponent and so and

698
00:33:14,119 --> 00:33:17,720
without getting into there were ridiculous details of champions and

699
00:33:17,839 --> 00:33:20,599
recess and all the craziness of what has occurred with

700
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:24,119
this WBC cruiserweight title. Because Jack had been the champion

701
00:33:24,119 --> 00:33:27,960
in recess, he basically, to make a long story short,

702
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:31,640
he switched places with Noel mckellon, who had won the title.

703
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,160
Because Jack had gone up and weight, or was attempting

704
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:35,759
to go up and wait in an effort to win

705
00:33:35,799 --> 00:33:38,640
the Bridgerway title. He couldn't get the fight anyway. He's

706
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:43,640
then reinstated as the WBC's champion. McCallan was having fights

707
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,160
postponed for various reasons, injuries, and then he was in

708
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:49,160
a contract dispute with his promoter Don King et cetera.

709
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:53,880
And so Jack was then reinstated, and now McCallan as

710
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,720
the guy who was not injured any longer and has

711
00:33:56,799 --> 00:33:59,559
worked out whatever his issues are with Don King. When

712
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,519
Rozie he got injured, he was the guy that was like, okay,

713
00:34:02,519 --> 00:34:06,039
my chance. So basically this is like your current WBC

714
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,079
champion against the guy that never lost it in the

715
00:34:08,159 --> 00:34:12,360
ring in McKellan. And amazingly, because Don King, even at

716
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:14,599
ninety three years old, can still drive the hardest bargain

717
00:34:14,599 --> 00:34:16,519
in the world, they were able to work out the

718
00:34:16,559 --> 00:34:20,039
deal and so in my opinion, they actually get I

719
00:34:20,039 --> 00:34:22,880
don't know how prepared McKellan is, but on paper he's

720
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:24,880
probably a little bit of a better gradeive fighter than

721
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,880
Riziki is, so he gets this opportunity. So this will

722
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:31,239
be on that Canelo undercard, and it's a pretty good

723
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,239
fight if you ask me, I mean, if you are

724
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,000
interested in cruiser weights. I mean, Jack has been in

725
00:34:36,079 --> 00:34:38,159
the weight class but only had the one fight when

726
00:34:38,159 --> 00:34:40,960
he won the title and was off and then you know,

727
00:34:41,119 --> 00:34:43,679
was searching for that other opportunity. So you know, they're

728
00:34:43,679 --> 00:34:47,199
both coming off layoffs. But both guys can hit a bit.

729
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:50,079
Both guys get hit a bit, so as an undercard

730
00:34:50,119 --> 00:34:52,760
fight for this show solid and just to make the

731
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:54,880
point here, the key here is be able to come

732
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,639
up with like a very solid replacement fight on a

733
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,760
few weeks notice. So that's your situation with bed due

734
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:01,880
Jack in that one.

735
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,039
Speaker 1: On the undercart of the Canelo May third card. All right,

736
00:35:04,079 --> 00:35:08,159
a couple of other announcements about possible fight sor right,

737
00:35:08,199 --> 00:35:12,199
So the WBO has granted an extension on the Sebastian

738
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:16,440
Fundora Xander zaiaz about mandating the fight. Are they gonna

739
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:18,679
get a deal done on their own? Tell me the latest,

740
00:35:18,679 --> 00:35:21,880
because we did talk about the possibility of Fundora and

741
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,440
Xander Zaiez back a couple of weeks ago when Fundora

742
00:35:24,519 --> 00:35:25,760
won by knockout.

743
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:27,079
Speaker 2: Right, So it was like a day or two after

744
00:35:27,159 --> 00:35:30,719
that fight between Fondora and Cordel Booker, when Fundora won. Well,

745
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,719
at the fight itself, you had Zia's ringside posing for

746
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,960
pictures with Fondora in the ring after the fight, because

747
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,280
that he knew he was going to be made the mandatory.

748
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:41,079
Everybody kind of knew that. It just you know, and

749
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:44,400
Gustavo Olaveri, who was the president of the WB had

750
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:46,719
put on a social media that he would recommend to

751
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:51,599
their championship committee to officially appoint Zias as the mandatory,

752
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:54,400
you know, and like that Monday or Tuesday or whatever

753
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:56,400
day it was. They did, in fact do that. So

754
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,639
you had Top Rank, which is the promoter for Xander Zias,

755
00:35:59,639 --> 00:36:04,599
and PBC and TGB, which work with Sebastian Vandora Samson Lukawitz.

756
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:06,920
They were meeting for lunch with the top ringing people

757
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,239
with every intention to try to make this fight, you know,

758
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:15,239
for sometime this summer. And so the official order went

759
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,239
down and they had a certain number of days to

760
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:19,719
negotiate a deal or the WBO would order a purspit.

761
00:36:20,039 --> 00:36:22,400
But the thing about this particular situation is that you've

762
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:25,000
got two sides who are interested to make the fight,

763
00:36:25,199 --> 00:36:27,360
who are working towards making the fight. So what happens

764
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,239
in those cases is jointly they went to the WBO

765
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,440
and said, hey, guys, you know, we're getting close, or

766
00:36:32,599 --> 00:36:34,559
can you give us a little bit more time. And

767
00:36:34,599 --> 00:36:36,719
so there's no reason not to do that. There's no

768
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:38,960
one being hurt, both sides are on board, so as normal,

769
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:43,159
the WBO granted that extension. So Gilb Gustavo Oliveri, the

770
00:36:43,199 --> 00:36:46,400
president of the WBO, announced that they had extended that

771
00:36:46,519 --> 00:36:50,480
negotiating period till April twenty fifth, at four pm Eastern time,

772
00:36:50,519 --> 00:36:52,360
and so if they don't have a deal by then,

773
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,519
then they'll schedule a perspit. But it feels like they'll

774
00:36:55,519 --> 00:36:58,000
probably make a deal. We talked a little bitout last

775
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:02,159
week about there's not anything official, but a top rank

776
00:37:02,159 --> 00:37:05,039
and PBC certainly are interested to work together a little

777
00:37:05,079 --> 00:37:07,360
bit more than maybe they have in the past. They

778
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:09,639
have fights that make sense. This is a mandatory, so

779
00:37:09,679 --> 00:37:11,320
it's not even like they're just doing it just to

780
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:14,239
do it. Both fighters seem to want to fight. It's

781
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,599
an interesting matchup. But I think if you asked, you know,

782
00:37:16,679 --> 00:37:19,440
boxing fans. So I feel like this extension is a

783
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:21,920
good thing because it tells me they're probably getting closer

784
00:37:22,559 --> 00:37:24,400
to a deal and just need to you know, hammer

785
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:26,360
out a few details, and you know that does take

786
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:28,880
them take some time. So I hope that it gets

787
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:30,719
done and we'll see this fight probably. I would think

788
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,599
if it does get squared away, maybe July, maybe August,

789
00:37:33,639 --> 00:37:36,000
but you know, this summer, all.

790
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 1: Right, another fight that is being discussed top ranking PBC

791
00:37:40,039 --> 00:37:44,079
are talking about o Shaky Foster, WBC Junior Lightweight Champion

792
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:50,159
and potentially Steven Fulton. What do we know? How realists stick?

793
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:51,679
What do we think? What do we hear?

794
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:55,800
Speaker 2: Well, it is realistic. I mean Tom Brown from TGB

795
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,920
Promotions and you know who works obviously extremely closely with

796
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:03,480
PBC promotes all the shows, was in Atlantic City as

797
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:05,920
one of the representatives with Stanionis who was talking to

798
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:08,800
some of the some of the media people. And this

799
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:10,519
had been kind of a rumor for the last little

800
00:38:10,519 --> 00:38:15,480
bit that while Stephen Fulton had just won the WBC's

801
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:20,480
federweight title in February with his rematch victory against Brandon Figueroa,

802
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,480
he wants to go up and wait and O'shaki Foster,

803
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:25,719
who is the wbc' one hundred and thirty pound champion,

804
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:27,519
who's with top rank, he is in an optional period.

805
00:38:27,519 --> 00:38:29,679
He does not owe a mandatory Remember, I kind of

806
00:38:29,679 --> 00:38:34,320
got on their case because instead of making O'shaki Foster

807
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:37,880
against Emmanuel Neverette, they went ahead and made Emmanuel Neverette

808
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,639
against a guy that most people never heard of, and

809
00:38:40,679 --> 00:38:43,559
O'shaki was still an optional period. Well, maybe this is

810
00:38:43,599 --> 00:38:46,400
the reason because there have been some conversations about that

811
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,000
fight taking place, so like it's kind of a fight

812
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:50,840
out of nowhere, Like I don't think it's a great fight.

813
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:52,440
I don't think it's a bad fight. But it's it's

814
00:38:52,559 --> 00:38:55,079
cool that you have one champion from a lower weight

815
00:38:55,119 --> 00:38:57,559
class trying to go up to the next weight class

816
00:38:57,559 --> 00:39:00,519
to try to win yet another title, because Fulton would

817
00:39:00,519 --> 00:39:02,039
be going for a title in a third division. He's

818
00:39:02,079 --> 00:39:04,039
been a titleholder at one hundred and twenty two pounds,

819
00:39:04,079 --> 00:39:06,519
he's the current title holder of one of the organizations

820
00:39:06,519 --> 00:39:07,960
at one hundred and twenty six pounds, and so this

821
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:10,519
will be a chance at one thirty. And you know,

822
00:39:10,559 --> 00:39:13,079
Oshaki is not a guy that's ever ducked or dodge anybody.

823
00:39:13,119 --> 00:39:15,119
So you know, that's a solid matchup if they can

824
00:39:15,159 --> 00:39:17,360
make it. I'm not sure, you know, they didn't say,

825
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:19,039
like what you know what Carter would be on. It

826
00:39:19,039 --> 00:39:22,519
will probably be its own headliner at some point, but uh,

827
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:24,880
you know, it's sort of just a kind of kind

828
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:26,280
of an out of the blue kind of fight. But

829
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:28,280
not bad, you know what I mean, not a bad fight.

830
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:32,800
Speaker 1: All right. One more piece of news and that is

831
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:38,280
the WBC revealing details of their upcoming four division Grand Prix.

832
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:41,280
The first stage of this is in Saudi Arabia, what

833
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:46,239
later on this weekend, So tell me more about what's

834
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:48,880
going on here. I saw something about how it's prospects

835
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:53,239
that are involved in multiple divisions here, So tell me

836
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:56,559
more about what's going on with the WBC Grand Prix.

837
00:39:57,039 --> 00:39:59,039
Speaker 2: Well, I think this is a pretty interesting idea. I'm

838
00:39:59,079 --> 00:40:00,880
glad to see that they did. It's a chance to

839
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:02,639
sort of build some of these younger guys that we

840
00:40:02,679 --> 00:40:04,800
don't know about. And the idea here is by the

841
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,840
time these four tournaments are over, that they'll have some

842
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,360
fighters that, even if they're not the winners, that they'll

843
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:12,119
have made a little bit of a statement, made a

844
00:40:12,159 --> 00:40:14,719
little bit of a name for themselves, and garnered some

845
00:40:15,039 --> 00:40:17,199
much needed attention to their careers. So, if you go

846
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:20,239
back to December when the WBC held its annual convention

847
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,320
in Germany, they announced that they were going to do

848
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:24,039
this and Turkey al Chic was a partner in it.

849
00:40:24,079 --> 00:40:26,360
They were going to be involved as well. And so

850
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:30,519
you said, it starts coming up April seventeenth to April twentieth.

851
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:33,719
This will take place in Riad and they're doing it.

852
00:40:34,079 --> 00:40:35,760
You know it's not a big arena'll do it at

853
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:38,440
what they're called the Global Theater. They're in Read. If

854
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:41,159
you're in Read, the tickets are free. Actually no, you

855
00:40:41,159 --> 00:40:42,239
don't have to pay for me. You just got to

856
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:44,559
go and register at the link that's on the WBC

857
00:40:44,639 --> 00:40:46,719
website and you can get free tickets. If you're in

858
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:49,119
Saudi Arabia and you're listening to our podcast, there's your

859
00:40:49,519 --> 00:40:53,159
hot tip of day. But that's also good because you know,

860
00:40:53,199 --> 00:40:55,400
you get people in the arena'll to let them check

861
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:57,400
these young guys out. But anyway, so they're doing and

862
00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:59,599
again this was stuff that was announced in the in

863
00:40:59,639 --> 00:41:05,000
the convention. They're doing a tournament in the junior welterweight division,

864
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:08,480
the middleweight division, the heavyweight division, and the featherweight division.

865
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:10,519
And they've started. If you take a look at their website,

866
00:41:10,519 --> 00:41:11,920
I ran a picture of one of the draws they

867
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:15,000
started to unveil what the what the draws are. They're

868
00:41:15,039 --> 00:41:17,760
not going to be fighters that most people recognize. What's

869
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:19,760
intriguing to me is that they've got fighters from all

870
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:23,320
over the world, all kinds of countries represented. So for example,

871
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:26,360
in the featherweight division, they got eighteen countries in the

872
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,480
junior walterweight division's twenty one countries. Wow, So that you

873
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:33,719
know this is that's good number one, and they're gonna

874
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:35,639
have it's one hundred and twenty eight total fighters, so

875
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,239
you know, divided by four, and they're gonna run those

876
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:40,960
sixty four fights over the first four days. I just

877
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:42,679
mentioned each of those weight classes. But the thing that

878
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:44,960
was cool that I said, oh, it'll be on his own,

879
00:41:45,039 --> 00:41:47,239
by the way. So but they announced a few more

880
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,719
details besides unveiling the names of who was going to

881
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:51,559
be in it. What the draws are in the first

882
00:41:51,639 --> 00:41:54,119
round and the first round of these are six round bouts.

883
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:56,239
I think they're going to go up to eight round bouts,

884
00:41:56,079 --> 00:41:58,880
as they call the field, and I think the finals

885
00:41:59,199 --> 00:42:02,079
our ten rounds. Will see if that holds up. But

886
00:42:02,159 --> 00:42:04,280
a few things about it. A and this is something

887
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,960
that I'm not surprised by because the WBC has championed

888
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:09,360
this for a long time. Uh, They're going to use

889
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:13,119
open scoring. So after the second round and after the

890
00:42:13,159 --> 00:42:16,079
fourth round, the scores will be made public to the viewers,

891
00:42:16,119 --> 00:42:17,920
to the people in the arena as well as to

892
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:20,559
the to the boxers.

893
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:21,679
Speaker 1: Participants will know.

894
00:42:22,039 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 2: So there's that aspect of it. Uh. The winner gets

895
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:29,360
to hose a Suliman Trophy, which is named in honor

896
00:42:29,679 --> 00:42:33,280
of Mauricio Suliman's father, who was a person that had

897
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:35,679
championed this type of grant pre activity for a very

898
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:38,000
long time. So the way Mauricio explained that this is

899
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:40,280
sort of the the the realization of a of a

900
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:42,719
dream of his father to have this sort of international

901
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,400
tournament involving, you know, these young fighters. So that was

902
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:47,559
something that they had worked on. It never came to pass,

903
00:42:47,599 --> 00:42:51,880
but now it is happening. No draws, TJ. Let's hear

904
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:54,119
it for no draw So the way that it was explained,

905
00:42:54,119 --> 00:42:56,599
I actually Mauricio posted a video that he did explaining

906
00:42:56,599 --> 00:43:00,239
this on the WBC's website. If there is a draw

907
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:03,320
after six rounds, they will use what they call enhanced scoring.

908
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:06,480
And so when each judge scores the round by round

909
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:09,559
they have any showed what I've seen this before. They

910
00:43:09,599 --> 00:43:11,800
have a paper and it has whatever your score is,

911
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:15,599
you still check a box of how you characterize the

912
00:43:15,679 --> 00:43:21,239
round either close, moderate, decisive, or extreme. And so what

913
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:23,519
they'll do is each of those boxes that cat Shok

914
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:26,880
get checked off will get assigned to numerical value, and

915
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:28,519
if the fight is a draw at the end of

916
00:43:28,559 --> 00:43:31,159
the round, they'll use that numerical value on the three

917
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:35,320
judges scorecards of those now eighteen scored rounds, you know,

918
00:43:36,079 --> 00:43:39,079
you know, six rounds times three judges, right, and they'll

919
00:43:39,119 --> 00:43:41,280
and they'll figure out the winner based on that. If

920
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:43,159
that turns out to be a draw, which seems to

921
00:43:43,199 --> 00:43:45,360
be unlikely, then it's like fuck it, We're going to

922
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:48,039
talk to our three supervisor three supervisors, and they're.

923
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:50,159
Speaker 1: Going to pick the winner right on who they think.

924
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:53,039
Speaker 2: They'll have backup fighters on hand, so we don't have

925
00:43:53,039 --> 00:43:53,960
to worry about dropouts.

926
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,679
Speaker 1: It's like pro wrestling. There must be a winner. Yeah, example,

927
00:43:57,719 --> 00:43:59,719
So if you're out, who won these fights in the

928
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:03,400
grand draw no draws, and they're gonna they're gonna ring

929
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:04,599
a buzzer right, well.

930
00:44:04,559 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 2: Hold on, right. They'll have backup fighters, so you don't

931
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:09,920
got to worry about fights. If there's if a guy

932
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:11,719
doesn't make the weight or there's a medical issue or

933
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:14,119
an injury, they'll have somebody on standby to filling them.

934
00:44:14,119 --> 00:44:16,800
You know, they'll draw some of those folks from uh,

935
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:19,880
perhaps losers that performed well in earlier rounds of the tournament.

936
00:44:20,079 --> 00:44:22,760
They will use instant replay if necessary, which I totally

937
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:25,599
support and wish it was used more often. And you mentioned,

938
00:44:25,639 --> 00:44:27,599
you know in current boxing, when they get to the

939
00:44:27,639 --> 00:44:30,280
ten second part of a left and around you hear

940
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:33,679
a clapper. Uh in this they're going to and I

941
00:44:33,679 --> 00:44:35,320
think this is a good idea. Actually I love this,

942
00:44:35,599 --> 00:44:37,480
and I think it will make it for better thirty

943
00:44:37,519 --> 00:44:40,280
seconds into the round is they're gonna have a buzzer

944
00:44:40,639 --> 00:44:42,800
so everybody knows, like, you can't miss the fact that

945
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:46,519
there's thirty seconds left the clapper. Sometimes people miss thirty

946
00:44:46,559 --> 00:44:48,719
second buzzer, you know, how much time is left. A

947
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:51,280
guy can choose to pick up his offense, which is

948
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,800
oftentimes what happened, you know, taking the playbook from Ray

949
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:57,119
Leonard from years ago against Marvin Hagler and so oh.

950
00:44:57,159 --> 00:44:59,719
And another thing, the judges. Typically the judges sit right

951
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:02,039
at the ring apron and they're kind of even up.

952
00:45:02,079 --> 00:45:04,159
They can put their elbows on the ring that they're

953
00:45:04,159 --> 00:45:06,159
going to have. The judges in their positions sit on

954
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:09,599
higher chairs, which theoretically will give them a better angle

955
00:45:10,039 --> 00:45:12,199
of what's happening. Because I've been at ringsided many times,

956
00:45:12,199 --> 00:45:14,320
not necessarily in the position of a judge, but even

957
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:16,480
where the judges sit, you find yourself having to kind

958
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:18,400
of look up a little bit, maybe looking the side

959
00:45:18,519 --> 00:45:20,199
if the referee gets in the way or something in it.

960
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:23,079
So you don't always have the perfect angle to see

961
00:45:23,079 --> 00:45:24,840
the shot. If you're a little bit more elevated but

962
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:27,159
still close, you probably have a little bit better way

963
00:45:27,199 --> 00:45:29,559
to see what's happening, and that can't hurt. So I

964
00:45:29,599 --> 00:45:31,880
feel like that's a pretty good idea as well. And

965
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:34,559
so you add all together and it's like these are

966
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:37,519
most of these are good things, and perhaps they'll use

967
00:45:37,519 --> 00:45:41,039
it as pilot programs to implement in their actual fights

968
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:43,920
in terms of the no draw type of situation. Whatever.

969
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:46,480
But I'm looking forward to this. I think this is

970
00:45:46,519 --> 00:45:49,760
a great idea to introduce a lot of young fighters

971
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,480
who I think probably will be somewhat evenly matched based

972
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:54,960
on the records and the amateur backgrounds a lot of

973
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:58,199
these guys have. And you know, if they can create

974
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:01,679
out of this opportunity for young fighters on a higher level,

975
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:04,079
that's good. And if you can create a couple of

976
00:46:04,159 --> 00:46:06,960
guys that get some notoriety or gain some public traction,

977
00:46:07,079 --> 00:46:10,280
because of their performances in this type of tournament situation.

978
00:46:10,599 --> 00:46:13,000
That's a good thing. And so again, this starts next

979
00:46:13,039 --> 00:46:15,920
week and it'll be spaced out over the remainder of

980
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:18,760
the year. They'll have the second batch of fights later on,

981
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:21,199
and so on and so forth before they get to

982
00:46:21,199 --> 00:46:23,639
the final. So it'll be another event in June, another

983
00:46:23,679 --> 00:46:25,599
event in August, another one in October, and then the

984
00:46:25,599 --> 00:46:27,360
grand finale in December.

985
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:30,199
Speaker 1: Interesting on all of that. All right, let's get to

986
00:46:30,199 --> 00:46:33,199
some nostalgia. And as I mentioned at the top of

987
00:46:33,199 --> 00:46:37,920
the pod, we are well aware that Tuesday, April fifteenth

988
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:41,920
is the fortieth anniversary of Hagler Hearn stand by loyal

989
00:46:42,039 --> 00:46:45,519
podcast audience. We're doing a lot more with that on

990
00:46:45,559 --> 00:46:49,800
its own. That being said, look for that here in

991
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:51,800
a day or so as we release a podcast Sunday

992
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:55,440
and a Monday. All right, with that, there are a

993
00:46:55,480 --> 00:47:00,159
couple of other interesting anniversaries, including going back twenty eight

994
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:02,159
years ago. So forget about going all the way back

995
00:47:02,159 --> 00:47:05,239
forty years ago. How about go back twenty eight years

996
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:08,840
ago to April the twelfth of nineteen ninety seven, which,

997
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:11,719
with the anniversary, is back on Saturday the day before.

998
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:15,440
We're taping this. Oscar dal La Hooya, Pernell Whittaker to

999
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:20,880
Hall of Fame. Legendary fighters squared off. Perfect here to

1000
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:23,800
start up the nostalgia with two names like that. Give

1001
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:25,360
me some more, Dan Rayfield.

1002
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:28,280
Speaker 2: Big big fight. This was a huge fight. I mean

1003
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:30,559
I wasn't obviously covering boxing. I was still a couple

1004
00:47:30,559 --> 00:47:33,679
of two three years away from my time of reporting

1005
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:36,639
on boxing, but I remember this as a fan. This

1006
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:40,119
was huge build up, I mean massive fight. Oscar dale

1007
00:47:40,159 --> 00:47:43,800
Hoya had been the WBC's junior welterweight champion. He had

1008
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:47,280
knocked out Julio Sesar Chavez on cuts. He had defended

1009
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:49,840
the title in a brilliant performance against Miguel Angel Gonzalez,

1010
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:51,599
who was forty one and er at the time, and

1011
00:47:51,639 --> 00:47:54,119
now he's moving up to one hundred and forty seven

1012
00:47:54,119 --> 00:47:56,320
to challenge the great Pernol Whitaker, who at that time

1013
00:47:57,159 --> 00:47:58,639
he was the champ. I mean, I hear a lot

1014
00:47:58,679 --> 00:48:01,119
of revisionist history that he was done at that point.

1015
00:48:01,199 --> 00:48:04,119
He was not done at that point at all. He

1016
00:48:04,199 --> 00:48:08,320
had a highly controversial loss to Ramirez, and he had

1017
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:12,000
the even more controversial draw with Julio Sesar Chavez. He

1018
00:48:12,119 --> 00:48:14,920
was forty one and one and a long reigning welterweight

1019
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:17,960
world champion and shutting guys out and making them look

1020
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,880
fucking silly in doing so. So I don't I mean,

1021
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:24,000
maybe he wasn't at his all time pinnacle, but Pernel

1022
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:26,960
Whitaker was not a shot fighter at this time. Now,

1023
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:30,559
his fight before the Delaia fight, you can look at

1024
00:48:30,639 --> 00:48:32,320
it and I can understand why. You know, there was

1025
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:36,280
certainly signs of some degradation he had had in nineteen

1026
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:39,119
ninety six. You know, a year or so earlier, he

1027
00:48:39,199 --> 00:48:41,119
had had a very close fight that he won by

1028
00:48:41,159 --> 00:48:44,880
split decision against Wilfredo Rivera, which we still won the fight.

1029
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:46,519
I didn't think it was like a loss at all.

1030
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:50,199
He then won a rematch against Rivera and that was

1031
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:52,880
again competitive, but he clearly was the winner. It was

1032
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:54,960
when he got to the fight that was to set

1033
00:48:55,039 --> 00:48:57,159
up the Delaaa fight. He was gonna fight one more time.

1034
00:48:57,599 --> 00:49:00,360
This was like a live HBO fight. Oscar Delia sitting

1035
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:03,000
ring side in on part of the commentary, not the

1036
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:05,400
whole fight, but part of the fight with the HBO guys,

1037
00:49:05,639 --> 00:49:08,480
and he's fighting a Cuban fighter who was undefeated named

1038
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:11,119
Diabellis Tartato. Matter of fact, it was at Boardwalk Call.

1039
00:49:11,159 --> 00:49:12,960
We talked about the Bootsen's fight in the main arena.

1040
00:49:13,159 --> 00:49:14,880
This was a fight that was in the upstairs arena

1041
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:17,000
at Boardwall Call that holds you know, three or four

1042
00:49:17,039 --> 00:49:19,920
thousand people, and Deeve bel Sartata was beating the shit

1043
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:22,800
out of Parnel Whittaker, just toying with him, and he

1044
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:25,239
was way behind. And Oscar's about to watch, like about

1045
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:27,159
a ten million dollars or so or eight million dollar

1046
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:31,239
payday go down the toilet. And Parnel Whittaker we've tos

1047
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:33,440
I've mentioned him a couple times in this podcast about

1048
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:36,960
his great defensive abilities. Never known as a brilliant offensive fighter,

1049
00:49:37,159 --> 00:49:39,800
and certainly never known as a big puncher. However, on

1050
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:42,599
this moment where he was about to let escape maybe

1051
00:49:42,639 --> 00:49:45,000
the biggest fight of his career financially by the way,

1052
00:49:45,199 --> 00:49:48,960
eleventh round knockout in devastating fashion against Deeve Belshertato. So yeah,

1053
00:49:49,039 --> 00:49:52,119
there was people that thought, because like that terrible performance

1054
00:49:52,519 --> 00:49:55,440
that he was all done. Part of that, I think

1055
00:49:55,519 --> 00:49:57,599
was because Hartada was a guy nobody ever heard of.

1056
00:49:57,840 --> 00:49:59,559
I don't they never really did him any favors by

1057
00:49:59,559 --> 00:50:01,519
matching up Turtato in the first place, a guy who

1058
00:50:01,559 --> 00:50:04,280
was very unknown, even though he was pretty good, you know,

1059
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:05,880
a guy that had come from Cuban and went on

1060
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:08,000
to become a title holder at one hundred and forty

1061
00:50:08,039 --> 00:50:10,599
pounds later in his career. Anyway, that was like three

1062
00:50:10,599 --> 00:50:12,559
months before the Oscar fight. So the fight gets made.

1063
00:50:12,599 --> 00:50:15,960
It's a massive promotion, as I said, huge, Oscar's moving up,

1064
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:18,719
and they put on the fight and a lot of

1065
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:21,159
people thought that Oscar lost and that Prono was the winner.

1066
00:50:22,119 --> 00:50:24,400
In the end, it was Oscar that won the close decision,

1067
00:50:24,679 --> 00:50:27,599
at least close. On the score cards. It was one

1068
00:50:27,679 --> 00:50:30,840
sixteen one ten, one sixteen, one ten twice for Oscar

1069
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:34,719
and one fifteen one eleven for Oscar as well. So

1070
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:36,800
scoring wise, you lay, well, that wasn't all that close,

1071
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:39,320
but if you watch eaton individual round it's sure as

1072
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:42,920
heck was close, and a lot of people bitched monabat,

1073
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:44,760
but Oscar won the fight. I always thought Oscar won

1074
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:46,119
the fight. I hear a lot of people say that

1075
00:50:46,199 --> 00:50:48,119
he was a gift. I don't buy that at all.

1076
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:52,880
And it was a very interesting fight. I mean, Oscar,

1077
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:55,719
you know, he got he got cut on an accidental headbutt.

1078
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:57,079
I think that kind of messed him up little bit

1079
00:50:57,119 --> 00:50:58,800
early in the fight and maybe took him out of

1080
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:00,719
his game quite a bit, at least for a couple

1081
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:04,360
of rounds. Anyway, Oscar also suffered a flash knockdown in

1082
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:06,599
that fight. You know, Oscar had been down early in

1083
00:51:06,639 --> 00:51:08,880
his career, but always pretty much showed a pretty good chin.

1084
00:51:09,159 --> 00:51:12,239
And even though the Dabelisir title fight, notwithstanding not known

1085
00:51:12,559 --> 00:51:14,239
as a big puncher, but really more of a flash

1086
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:16,840
knockdown in the ninth round basically caught off guard or

1087
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:19,079
caught off downs I should say, by a short little

1088
00:51:19,159 --> 00:51:22,519
left hand. In the end, though they did, you know,

1089
00:51:22,639 --> 00:51:24,440
three quarters of a million pay per view buys. This

1090
00:51:24,519 --> 00:51:28,000
is Oscar just becoming a pay per view megastar, and

1091
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:30,440
this is one of the great wins on Oscar's record.

1092
00:51:30,519 --> 00:51:33,199
I mean, people want to talk about Oscar lost, you know,

1093
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:35,199
some of his big fights, and that's sure true enough,

1094
00:51:35,519 --> 00:51:37,360
but you want to talk about fights that he won

1095
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:41,039
against top quality opponents. He'd beat Peernel Whittaker, who again

1096
00:51:41,079 --> 00:51:43,079
he was still good, he was still the champ, and

1097
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:45,440
he went out there and he did the job, and

1098
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:47,679
it wasn't it Maybe wasn't the most exciting Oscar fight.

1099
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:51,639
But Penel Whittaker was a fighter that nobody really wanted

1100
00:51:51,679 --> 00:51:54,679
to fight. He was always hard to match. Guys avoided him.

1101
00:51:54,679 --> 00:51:56,199
He had to go up to wait to find different

1102
00:51:56,199 --> 00:51:58,239
guys to fight. Oscar was like, bring it on, and

1103
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:00,000
I'll tell you right now when top rank hat Oscar.

1104
00:52:00,159 --> 00:52:02,599
From the beginning, they were very careful with his match

1105
00:52:02,599 --> 00:52:04,800
making at one hundred and thirty, very careful with his

1106
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:07,079
matchmaking at one hundred and thirty five. He didn't really

1107
00:52:07,079 --> 00:52:08,719
stay around at one forty very long. He did have

1108
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:12,480
two good wins against Chavez and against Gonzales, but when

1109
00:52:12,519 --> 00:52:14,440
they got him to welterweight and he was now a

1110
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:17,239
mature fighter, the handcuffs were off and he fight everybody,

1111
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:19,079
and this was the beginning of that run.

1112
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:23,199
Speaker 1: So again, that's twenty eight years ago. Wow for Dale,

1113
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:26,480
Hooya and Pernel Whittakers. So you moved forward to April

1114
00:52:26,519 --> 00:52:30,840
the sixteenth of twenty eleven, so that's later this week

1115
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:35,480
on Wednesday, Victor Ortiz and Andre Berto What a fight

1116
00:52:35,599 --> 00:52:40,360
TJ for the WBC Welterweight Championship Fight of the Year contender.

1117
00:52:40,519 --> 00:52:45,679
You were there at the Foxwoods Casino in Connecticut, and

1118
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:46,760
this was wild.

1119
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:50,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, same, give us, give us some more, same title

1120
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:53,639
as what was at stake in the Whittaker and Oscar fight,

1121
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:56,280
but obviously years later. I mean at the time, these

1122
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:58,880
are two top young guys. Both guys are on HBO.

1123
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:02,159
They've been in some exciting fights. Uh and uh and

1124
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:04,599
Victor Ortiz, you know, he was a hot commodity, but

1125
00:53:04,679 --> 00:53:07,400
he had you know, he had some let's call malols

1126
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:10,119
and his uh, you know, people, there was reasons to

1127
00:53:10,119 --> 00:53:12,159
maybe be down a little bit on him. He had

1128
00:53:12,199 --> 00:53:16,000
he had had a draw with Lamon Peterson that a

1129
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:17,800
lot of people kind of thought was kind of gift dish,

1130
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:21,960
if you will. So that was that was his his

1131
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:24,679
fight before this one. So there was some sort of trepidation,

1132
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:28,639
if you will, going in Berto had uh hadn't been

1133
00:53:28,679 --> 00:53:31,079
you know, he was a protected fighter for a while.

1134
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:34,559
He was an Olympian, a very good talent, you know, Uh,

1135
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:36,840
an early on Al Hayman fighter. He had kind of

1136
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:39,880
had an easy path to the title, so to speak.

1137
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:42,119
But he did have some tough fights though, and he

1138
00:53:42,119 --> 00:53:45,360
did have some really good fights. The Luis Calazo fight

1139
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:48,079
that he gutted out a decision to retain this belt.

1140
00:53:49,159 --> 00:53:51,480
Took a decision against Wanni Wrango was a very tough

1141
00:53:51,519 --> 00:53:53,480
customer who had been a former champion in the one

1142
00:53:53,519 --> 00:53:55,559
hundred and forty tuns division. Anyway, a couple more fights,

1143
00:53:55,639 --> 00:53:58,039
so they make this fight just like a very hot fight.

1144
00:53:58,079 --> 00:54:00,960
This is an exciting matchup between these two guys in TJ.

1145
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:04,960
They put on a sensational show. Now, in the end,

1146
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:08,119
it was Victor Ortiz who won the title from Berto

1147
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:11,519
and won the decision, and it was a Fight of

1148
00:54:11,519 --> 00:54:14,159
Theyear candidate. But the first half of that fight was

1149
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:16,239
something spectacular. It didn't win the fight of the year

1150
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:18,199
for most people. It did kind of slowed down a

1151
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:20,639
little bit in the second half of that bout, but

1152
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:22,559
that first half at least, and it's not like the

1153
00:54:22,559 --> 00:54:24,920
second half was bad, but the first half was just some.

1154
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:28,679
It was just wild and crazy. As you mentioned, they

1155
00:54:28,679 --> 00:54:31,519
both both guys were down. He got Burto getting dropped

1156
00:54:31,559 --> 00:54:34,320
in the first round, he got Ortiz getting dropped in

1157
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:37,000
the second round. He got both guys getting dropped in

1158
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:39,159
the sixth round. And it was back and forth, and

1159
00:54:39,199 --> 00:54:41,400
while they're knocking each other down, they're just slinging fights,

1160
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:43,840
you know, slinging punches and basically beating the crap out

1161
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:46,280
of each other. One of the reasons why the scores

1162
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:48,960
looked a little funny at the end was because Ortiz

1163
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:51,880
did lose one point for a punch behind the head

1164
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:55,239
that tappened I want to say, in like the ninth round,

1165
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:58,960
tenth rounds later in the fight. But just a spectacular,

1166
00:54:59,159 --> 00:55:02,719
spectacular fight. I mean, these two guys never wanted for

1167
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:04,920
action fights. And as a matter of fact, this was

1168
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:08,039
the fight because Ortiz got the title, that's what set

1169
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him up. He only held it for a few months

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because like four or five months later is when he

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got the assignment against Floyd may Mayweather with that memorable

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you know, so called sucker punch knockout from Mayweather when

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Ortiz was not looking, even though the ref told him

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protect yourself at all times. But anyway, Berto and Ortiz,

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who did fight a few years later, by the way,

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when they were both pretty much done, and Berto got

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the got the revenge in that fight. But one of

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the things I always remember, and I've told the story before,

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is so like you said, I was at Foxwits for

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this fight, and this always I'm always Indeed, it's always

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endearing to me what these belts mean to the fighters.

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I've told the story about being the ban with Jared

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Hurd the day after he won the title, and and

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and going to the airport in the same van. He's

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wearing the belt around his waist. And you know, I

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remember talking to you know, Devin Alexander after he won

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a world title, telling me how he slept with the

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title in bed with him. I mean, I mean, I've

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heard a lot of those kind of stories, but this

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is another one that jumps to my mind. I'm at

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the casino and I'm going back to my room and

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there was like a lounge area where the elevator bank

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was and had you the only way you can get

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into this area of the hotel is if you had

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a room key, because that's where you were staying. And

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I was staying there, so I was able to get

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into that area. And it was the same area where

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Victor Ortiz and a lot of the boxing people were

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staying for the fight. Uh, because there's different towers and

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such at the casino and they're holding court and Ortiz

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he's dressed up in a suit and he's enjoying himself

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obviously celebrating the wind, and he's sitting on the couch

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and he's wearing the belt, and it's just another example

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of a guy who's just pulled off this big win,

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culminates the entire lifetime of work and dreams to get

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the world title. And now he's hanging out with his

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people and some of the media guys were there, and

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some of the boxing people were there, and he's wearing

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the belt and he's uh, he's telling stories about the fight,

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and it was just for all the things that Victor

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has gone through in his life. Besides that, that was

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I'll be one of the happier memories I'll ever have.

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And it was a I remember it like yesterday. It

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was a great fight and a great night to watch

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this young man celebrate the culmination of those dreams.

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Speaker 1: So go back and find Orteze Burdo fourteen years ago

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twenty eleven, April eleven, both guys down in the WBC

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Welterway title.

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Speaker 2: Fight or top four knockdowns total in this wow.

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Speaker 1: All right, So we have given you great stuff on

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the boots Ennus win in the entire card, some news

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as well as some nostalgia. Again, Hagler Hearns is coming Tuesday.

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Stand by podcast peeps. We got more on that now

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that we've released the weekend recap here the Fight Free

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Night Recap podcast. Stand by for more on the mayhem

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of that fight forty years ago now coming later in

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a week. Other than that, are we good? Before you

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and I reconvene to talk? This is still the first round.

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There's a there's a tea pie by the way before

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we come back to talk about that with Hagler hunts.

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Are we good? Alli?

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Speaker 2: We are? We are good? All right?

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Speaker 1: There we go. Many thanks, Dan Raphael, thank you for

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helps us out. We go into the weekend previewing. We

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come off the weekend recapping for Dan Rayfield. I am

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merely TJ Reeks. Thank you for being with us on

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the Fight Preach Unite Recap podcast