WEBVTT 1 00:00:16.280 --> 00:00:21.839 Voices drift on winds untain, where it's like spells that 2 00:00:22.079 --> 00:00:27.600 can't be named. Close your eyes and fear the sound 3 00:00:28.839 --> 00:00:31.760 journey where no bounds are found. 4 00:00:32.960 --> 00:00:41.600 Open doors, side your mind, the ordinary far behind color, 5 00:00:41.799 --> 00:00:44.320 swell and stars. 6 00:00:43.920 --> 00:00:51.880 Lines in the mental mysteries, you'll find Welcome to meta mysteries, 7 00:00:52.200 --> 00:00:54.359 where you don't know what you don't know. 8 00:00:55.039 --> 00:00:57.960 My name is Jonathan, I'm Sean, and today we have 9 00:00:58.039 --> 00:01:01.520 two awesome guests one I don't know. It's your tenth 10 00:01:01.600 --> 00:01:04.280 or eleventh time coming on the show, Lord Byron, Welcome 11 00:01:04.280 --> 00:01:05.040 back to the show. 12 00:01:04.879 --> 00:01:05.480 My good brother. 13 00:01:06.040 --> 00:01:06.879 That's good man. 14 00:01:06.920 --> 00:01:09.079 How are you guys doing awesome in there? 15 00:01:09.120 --> 00:01:09.519 Man? 16 00:01:09.680 --> 00:01:11.400 I feel like this is my home away from home, 17 00:01:11.439 --> 00:01:11.640 you know. 18 00:01:12.159 --> 00:01:14.959 Indeed, come on and always warm, dude. 19 00:01:16.719 --> 00:01:19.719 And also we have a new guest, Eric Cotting. Welcome 20 00:01:20.000 --> 00:01:22.719 to the show, sir. How are you tonight, dud? 21 00:01:22.760 --> 00:01:25.280 I'm doing spectacular. Thanks so much for having me on. 22 00:01:25.359 --> 00:01:26.799 It's awesome to chat with you guys. 23 00:01:27.120 --> 00:01:29.560 Hell yeah, well look, Lord Byron has talked a lot 24 00:01:29.640 --> 00:01:33.239 about you and uh, you guys have teamed up, uh 25 00:01:33.519 --> 00:01:36.439 and we're really looking forward to hearing about you know, 26 00:01:36.840 --> 00:01:39.480 really just you and everything that you practice all the 27 00:01:39.680 --> 00:01:43.239 all the different kind of things that you're into. I'm 28 00:01:43.239 --> 00:01:44.840 not trying to label anything, so I'm trying to like 29 00:01:44.920 --> 00:01:48.040 dance around it. But but that being said, I mean, 30 00:01:48.120 --> 00:01:50.840 would you would you mind telling us a little bit 31 00:01:50.840 --> 00:01:53.280 about yourself and what your what what your deal is? 32 00:01:53.319 --> 00:01:53.519 Sir? 33 00:01:54.519 --> 00:01:57.719 Yeah, for sure, absolutely absolutely, well you My name is 34 00:01:57.799 --> 00:02:01.239 Eric co Edting. My my au her name is Eek Wedding. 35 00:02:01.280 --> 00:02:07.159 I've written around thirty thirty plus books on magic, and 36 00:02:07.200 --> 00:02:09.759 so when I say magic, you know, dude, I try. 37 00:02:09.800 --> 00:02:12.360 I try to approach it from every angle black magic, 38 00:02:12.439 --> 00:02:16.400 white magic, purple and yellow and everything in between. And 39 00:02:16.439 --> 00:02:18.719 that's it is. It is really hard, you know, it's 40 00:02:18.800 --> 00:02:22.439 it is hard to to stay away from labels because 41 00:02:22.520 --> 00:02:24.360 you know, I'll fall into it every now and again. 42 00:02:24.560 --> 00:02:27.560 I'll live life as a Satanist and be fully into 43 00:02:27.599 --> 00:02:28.960 it and the next thing you know, I'm someone in 44 00:02:29.000 --> 00:02:31.639 the archangel Michael and running with that. But I do 45 00:02:31.719 --> 00:02:35.000 think that that's the that's the real magical path is 46 00:02:35.000 --> 00:02:38.080 is just you know, touching. That's my magical path. At least. 47 00:02:38.080 --> 00:02:40.120 I want to touch everything. Everything I see. I'm like, 48 00:02:40.120 --> 00:02:42.800 oh that's cool. Let me play with that and unbox 49 00:02:42.879 --> 00:02:45.680 it and see what's there? And and so I do 50 00:02:45.759 --> 00:02:48.599 that with every every magical practice I've ever been able 51 00:02:48.599 --> 00:02:50.159 to get and get my hands off since I was 52 00:02:50.159 --> 00:02:52.280 a kid. I started learning just you know, Wika and 53 00:02:52.599 --> 00:02:54.800 all of that stuff. I've got my hands on the 54 00:02:54.879 --> 00:02:57.960 Necroynomicon and that was a game changer. I was like, Oh, 55 00:02:58.400 --> 00:03:01.639 I'm gonna summon some stuff and start someone in some stuff. 56 00:03:02.039 --> 00:03:04.639 That really blew the hinges off the doors for me. 57 00:03:05.759 --> 00:03:08.680 And really, what what that did for me is that 58 00:03:08.719 --> 00:03:12.840 really solidified evocation the summoning of spirits as one of 59 00:03:12.840 --> 00:03:16.080 my primary practices. Because as soon as I started tapping 60 00:03:16.120 --> 00:03:20.000 into it, to the watchers, to Ankie, It's like the 61 00:03:20.039 --> 00:03:22.080 books become stupid. It's like I would I even read 62 00:03:22.120 --> 00:03:24.240 a book when I can just ask the dude himself 63 00:03:24.759 --> 00:03:28.000 and uh. And so that became my big practice is 64 00:03:28.080 --> 00:03:32.159 spirit communications, spirit summoning, and so you started writing books 65 00:03:32.159 --> 00:03:37.479 about it. I started doing a YouTube multi media assault 66 00:03:37.520 --> 00:03:39.759 where I was, you know, for several years, just throwing 67 00:03:39.800 --> 00:03:42.759 as many videos as I could on YouTube, and and 68 00:03:42.879 --> 00:03:45.759 my goal with that was to try to really to 69 00:03:45.840 --> 00:03:48.520 try to change the way people think about magic and 70 00:03:48.599 --> 00:03:51.879 specifically the left hand path, to to to maybe take 71 00:03:51.919 --> 00:03:54.080 the covers off of it and go, you know, we're 72 00:03:54.120 --> 00:03:57.000 not We're not here doing crazy stuff to kids. We're 73 00:03:57.039 --> 00:03:59.439 not doing the crazy stuff that the rumors say. But 74 00:03:59.520 --> 00:04:02.039 here is actually what it could be. Here's my path 75 00:04:02.159 --> 00:04:04.840 and and so that was cool. I got canceled off 76 00:04:04.879 --> 00:04:07.719 of social media a couple of years ago. Had a 77 00:04:08.520 --> 00:04:12.439 had a guy that he didn't he wasn't associated with 78 00:04:12.520 --> 00:04:15.039 me at all in any way that he didn't he 79 00:04:15.080 --> 00:04:18.759 didn't buy my books, he didn't watch my videos, he 80 00:04:18.800 --> 00:04:21.800 didn't really interact with me. He killed a couple of ladies. 81 00:04:21.920 --> 00:04:23.959 But he had gone a couple of years before he 82 00:04:24.040 --> 00:04:28.839 get this onto my forum. And uh, and so BBC 83 00:04:29.000 --> 00:04:32.000 made this whole link between me and him, canceled me online. 84 00:04:32.120 --> 00:04:34.879 That's okay. That was actually for me, that was a reset, 85 00:04:35.120 --> 00:04:37.319 that was that was an that wasn't a bit an 86 00:04:37.360 --> 00:04:39.759 opportunity for me to actually look at my practice and go, 87 00:04:39.839 --> 00:04:42.519 you know what, am I doing this because I want 88 00:04:42.519 --> 00:04:44.279 people to click that like button? Or am I doing 89 00:04:44.319 --> 00:04:46.199 this because this is who I am? And I really 90 00:04:46.240 --> 00:04:47.800 had to just get back to the core of like 91 00:04:47.839 --> 00:04:50.399 what's my practice about who am I as an actual 92 00:04:50.519 --> 00:04:53.199 sorcerer and get back to the core of that, and 93 00:04:53.240 --> 00:04:55.839 that's just it's been carrying me. It's been carrying me 94 00:04:56.000 --> 00:04:59.639 solid ever since. So that's that's that's who I am, 95 00:04:59.639 --> 00:05:02.279 That's what I'm about. My big My big mission is 96 00:05:02.399 --> 00:05:05.879 to kind of act like a lightning rod, go experience 97 00:05:05.920 --> 00:05:08.839 some crazy stuff, get zapped by whatever I get zapped by, 98 00:05:09.079 --> 00:05:11.199 and then if I have something, try to try to 99 00:05:11.240 --> 00:05:13.240 find something I can report back to the world and 100 00:05:13.279 --> 00:05:15.680 go hey, like here's here's what I came up with. 101 00:05:15.759 --> 00:05:18.000 And I do try to I do try to bring 102 00:05:18.040 --> 00:05:20.839 it back to practices like it's not I don't want 103 00:05:20.879 --> 00:05:22.360 to come back and be like, here's what I saw 104 00:05:22.399 --> 00:05:24.879 on the other dimension. That's useless. I want to tell 105 00:05:24.959 --> 00:05:26.720 you how to get to the other dimension, to see 106 00:05:26.759 --> 00:05:29.240 your own stuff, to have your own experiences. So that's 107 00:05:29.279 --> 00:05:31.639 the most important thing that's being in a nutshell guys. 108 00:05:32.720 --> 00:05:33.879 I'd love to hear about it. 109 00:05:34.000 --> 00:05:36.680 First of all, it's awesome that you just called yourself 110 00:05:36.680 --> 00:05:38.959 a sorcerer. That is probably one of the most dangster 111 00:05:39.120 --> 00:05:43.720 titles ever, just being a sorcerer. But yeah, it's I 112 00:05:44.000 --> 00:05:48.240 I'm the fact that you've written how many books you said, 113 00:05:48.279 --> 00:05:50.160 thirty books on magic. 114 00:05:49.839 --> 00:05:52.920 Over thirty at this point over thirty. Yeah, I started out, 115 00:05:52.959 --> 00:05:59.160 you know, so when I was about twenty three, my 116 00:05:59.399 --> 00:06:01.839 I got my girl from pregnant, and my whole life 117 00:06:02.000 --> 00:06:04.920 changed because I was just on a crazy, crazy path, 118 00:06:05.000 --> 00:06:06.600 didn't know what I was doing with my life, just 119 00:06:06.639 --> 00:06:09.399 picking up whatever job I could, sleeping on people's couches, 120 00:06:10.000 --> 00:06:14.920 and then boom, somebody shifted the track I was on, 121 00:06:15.000 --> 00:06:17.439 and bomb I shifted it, I guess by my own choices, 122 00:06:17.560 --> 00:06:21.839 shifted the track I was on and really took being 123 00:06:21.879 --> 00:06:24.639 a dad seriously. And part of that was was like, 124 00:06:24.680 --> 00:06:29.839 you know what, if I'm going to do something with 125 00:06:29.879 --> 00:06:32.519 my life, it's time I start doing it. And I've 126 00:06:32.519 --> 00:06:35.439 always talked about being a writer, and if I'm going 127 00:06:35.480 --> 00:06:37.240 to get serious about it, let's get serious about it. 128 00:06:37.240 --> 00:06:39.199 And so sat down and started writing my first book, 129 00:06:39.279 --> 00:06:42.199 sent that out, started writing my second one, and just 130 00:06:42.279 --> 00:06:44.720 kind of started rolling it ever since then, it really 131 00:06:44.839 --> 00:06:47.079 hit me. It was a weird thing, like I feel 132 00:06:47.079 --> 00:06:49.639 like it was a biological thing that after I had 133 00:06:49.680 --> 00:06:52.399 reproduced that, there was something in me going, like, the 134 00:06:52.439 --> 00:06:54.399 next step for you is death. You're going to raise 135 00:06:54.399 --> 00:06:57.759 this child and then you die, and so your biological 136 00:06:57.839 --> 00:07:00.519 mission has been fulfilled. With reproducing. Now anything else you 137 00:07:00.519 --> 00:07:02.160 want to get done, you better get working on it. 138 00:07:02.199 --> 00:07:09.360 But that's awesome, So you all right, So a couple 139 00:07:09.360 --> 00:07:11.920 of different things. I see that you got mule nair 140 00:07:12.000 --> 00:07:14.680 hanging from your neck right there, along with a couple 141 00:07:14.720 --> 00:07:17.600 of Viking runs there on your shirt. Is that something 142 00:07:17.639 --> 00:07:20.079 that you also dabble into as far as like trying 143 00:07:20.120 --> 00:07:22.560 to get in touch with the Norse gods. 144 00:07:23.199 --> 00:07:25.800 Yeah, and I would go even much further than dabbling. 145 00:07:26.319 --> 00:07:28.839 I've got I've got a whole area in my backyard. 146 00:07:29.040 --> 00:07:31.680 I'm blessed to have a really cool property in southern Utah, 147 00:07:31.759 --> 00:07:33.879 in the middle of the middle of nowhere, and so 148 00:07:33.920 --> 00:07:36.959 I've got a spot in my backyard where I've got 149 00:07:38.360 --> 00:07:40.720 a whole runic setup. I've got a huge room stone 150 00:07:40.759 --> 00:07:43.519 that I've made there, and I'll go out and I've 151 00:07:43.519 --> 00:07:46.839 got an offering an altar that'll go out and commune 152 00:07:46.879 --> 00:07:49.600 with the gods. They are the gods of my ancestors. 153 00:07:50.000 --> 00:07:52.680 And so I can feel that pole in my blood. 154 00:07:53.199 --> 00:07:55.560 And you know, when I was like sixteen seventeen, I 155 00:07:55.560 --> 00:07:58.319 picked up my first room set just from the store, 156 00:07:59.560 --> 00:08:02.439 fell in with it. But I've got sidetracked with taro 157 00:08:02.639 --> 00:08:05.839 and with you know, spirit evocation and whatever and so 158 00:08:06.040 --> 00:08:09.199 kind of it's funny because I feel like Ruins and 159 00:08:09.240 --> 00:08:11.079 all of that. It kind of works like that. It'll 160 00:08:11.839 --> 00:08:13.680 I'll kind of forget about it, I'll put it down, 161 00:08:13.800 --> 00:08:15.360 and then a couple of years later, boom, it just 162 00:08:15.399 --> 00:08:17.759 loops back around. It's like, hey, remember me, old friend, 163 00:08:18.240 --> 00:08:21.040 and pick it back up and start start using again. 164 00:08:21.040 --> 00:08:23.120 But I do feel it's in my blood, and so 165 00:08:23.199 --> 00:08:25.000 I can't escape it even if I did, even if 166 00:08:25.040 --> 00:08:29.399 I wanted to. But yeah, it's a huge, huge practice 167 00:08:29.439 --> 00:08:33.279 with you know, with working with the Norse gods and 168 00:08:33.320 --> 00:08:35.639 working with the ruins. It's a different thing than working 169 00:08:35.759 --> 00:08:38.399 with any kind of any other kind of magic, because 170 00:08:38.480 --> 00:08:43.120 it's not you're not calling Odin in front of you. 171 00:08:43.120 --> 00:08:45.639 You're going walking out into the wilderness and trying to 172 00:08:45.720 --> 00:08:48.080 trying to have Odin walk alongside you or maybe even 173 00:08:48.120 --> 00:08:51.480 walk within you and become Odin to a degree. You 174 00:08:51.519 --> 00:08:54.200 don't necessarily call on the elves. You don't summon them. 175 00:08:54.480 --> 00:08:56.200 You go out into the forest and you start to 176 00:08:56.200 --> 00:08:58.080 see them in the trees. You start to see, to 177 00:08:58.240 --> 00:09:01.120 to to hear strange things. You start see sparkles as 178 00:09:01.120 --> 00:09:04.039 the light comes down. It's like you commune with nature 179 00:09:04.080 --> 00:09:07.240 in a different way. I do feel like the Norse path, 180 00:09:07.320 --> 00:09:10.639 the Celtic path also has this is a deep tie. 181 00:09:10.840 --> 00:09:13.480 My Native American paths, of course, have a deep tie 182 00:09:13.480 --> 00:09:17.039 back to the earth that we've lost, like as a speed, 183 00:09:17.200 --> 00:09:19.720 as a species or a civilization. We need to get 184 00:09:19.720 --> 00:09:21.039 back to that. We need to take our shoes off 185 00:09:21.039 --> 00:09:22.679 and get back into the dirt. 186 00:09:22.440 --> 00:09:23.879 You know, one hundred percent. 187 00:09:23.919 --> 00:09:25.519 And I'm so happy you said it the way that 188 00:09:25.559 --> 00:09:29.759 you did, because we've talked about essentially embodying the essence 189 00:09:29.919 --> 00:09:33.399 of said gods or deities or whatever that you're not 190 00:09:33.480 --> 00:09:37.840 necessarily reaching. Who am I to say what you are, 191 00:09:37.960 --> 00:09:40.200 what you aren't doing, but just from you know, our 192 00:09:40.480 --> 00:09:45.159 understanding is is that you're almost like embodying their essence 193 00:09:45.200 --> 00:09:47.799 in a weird way, which is, you know, very interesting. 194 00:09:47.840 --> 00:09:50.519 You would expect that, you know, if you're communicating with gods, 195 00:09:50.519 --> 00:09:53.480 that they would be alongside you, or they would be 196 00:09:53.600 --> 00:09:56.600 you know, pointing in a direction from the sky or 197 00:09:56.639 --> 00:09:58.960 something like that. But it's very different. As far as 198 00:09:59.000 --> 00:10:01.600 our understanding is. Magic goes and that's something you know, 199 00:10:01.840 --> 00:10:04.519 we can attribute that to Lord Byron. First of all, 200 00:10:04.600 --> 00:10:07.720 for introducing us to a lot of magic and helping 201 00:10:07.799 --> 00:10:09.879 us understand a lot, you know, a lot of his 202 00:10:10.000 --> 00:10:12.960 practices and how it works and everything like that. But 203 00:10:13.039 --> 00:10:14.919 I would say that, you know, as far as our 204 00:10:14.960 --> 00:10:18.519 magical understanding, it is basically because of Lord Byron and 205 00:10:18.600 --> 00:10:21.120 the book by Philip Cooper called The Magickian. We always 206 00:10:21.159 --> 00:10:24.120 reference that book like that. Have you have you dabbled 207 00:10:24.159 --> 00:10:24.840 into that book? 208 00:10:25.759 --> 00:10:29.000 I mean, you know years ago. I know I came 209 00:10:29.000 --> 00:10:30.559 and tross it and read it, but but you know, 210 00:10:30.679 --> 00:10:32.799 I don't know that I've even kept it on my bookshelf. 211 00:10:33.399 --> 00:10:36.639 Okay, yeah, I mean I I highly recommend anybody that 212 00:10:36.639 --> 00:10:39.440 wants to try and understand magic magic a little bit 213 00:10:39.480 --> 00:10:44.039 more that that book right there really broke it down 214 00:10:44.120 --> 00:10:46.559 to where even a fourth grader could understand, and. 215 00:10:47.039 --> 00:10:49.159 Weird made it simple enough for you and I to 216 00:10:49.200 --> 00:10:51.159 really catch onto it. And then we had Byron on 217 00:10:51.320 --> 00:10:54.200 and he was like validating everything that we had just 218 00:10:54.279 --> 00:10:56.480 learned and come to the understanding of how some of 219 00:10:56.519 --> 00:10:59.320 these things work and working with the mind and using 220 00:10:59.399 --> 00:11:02.960 the from realities of the different tools or instruments, if 221 00:11:03.000 --> 00:11:05.519 you will, and it was just like, oh, this is 222 00:11:05.559 --> 00:11:08.159 all starting to come together. You know, it's like and 223 00:11:08.200 --> 00:11:09.759 I like how you were saying in the beginning as 224 00:11:09.799 --> 00:11:12.559 far as you kind of dabbling in all of the 225 00:11:12.600 --> 00:11:16.159 different types of magic, and Jonathan and I were just 226 00:11:16.200 --> 00:11:19.200 talking earlier today about, you know, putting things in a 227 00:11:19.240 --> 00:11:21.480 box and labeling things, and I think that's where we 228 00:11:21.519 --> 00:11:23.919 get kind of I think that's where we get slowed 229 00:11:23.960 --> 00:11:25.960 down just a little bit, because you get so locked 230 00:11:25.960 --> 00:11:30.519 into one idea and you're really limiting yourself to everything else, 231 00:11:30.879 --> 00:11:33.039 you know, And so I respect that. 232 00:11:33.320 --> 00:11:36.360 Well in just as far as like we recently covered 233 00:11:36.519 --> 00:11:42.039 eccentric witchcraft, is it no, not eccentric eclectic eclectic witchcraft? 234 00:11:42.360 --> 00:11:45.360 And that is something that you know, it's seemingly very. 235 00:11:46.320 --> 00:11:49.279 Embodying everything essentially, like taking a little bit from here, 236 00:11:49.360 --> 00:11:50.960 taking a little bit from there, taking a little bit 237 00:11:50.960 --> 00:11:55.639 from religion and philosophy and magic and every every single 238 00:11:55.639 --> 00:11:58.799 thing all together. And that just seems like, I mean, 239 00:11:58.960 --> 00:12:01.559 if you were one of the original people that were 240 00:12:01.600 --> 00:12:06.279 practicing a religion or practicing a spirituality or something like that, 241 00:12:06.720 --> 00:12:09.279 you wouldn't you wouldn't have anything to run off of. 242 00:12:09.399 --> 00:12:12.039 You would have just whatever is around you, the information 243 00:12:12.120 --> 00:12:14.519 and the tools around you to to use and to 244 00:12:14.639 --> 00:12:18.279 try and uh you know, maybe manipulate the energy around 245 00:12:18.320 --> 00:12:22.120 you or call upon said uh you know, ghosts or 246 00:12:22.200 --> 00:12:25.279 deity or demon or angel or whatever. 247 00:12:25.559 --> 00:12:26.120 You know what I mean. 248 00:12:26.200 --> 00:12:28.080 Like it wouldn't be so strict because you would be 249 00:12:28.159 --> 00:12:30.360 the first one that would be doing it right. And 250 00:12:30.399 --> 00:12:32.279 that's kind of how my mind went, is that, like 251 00:12:32.679 --> 00:12:38.440 the the original witches were probably eclectic, right, I do. 252 00:12:38.440 --> 00:12:42.679 This little thought experiment with myself of everything. So I've 253 00:12:42.679 --> 00:12:44.720 got a daily yoga practice I do. I've got a 254 00:12:44.799 --> 00:12:47.519 bunch of different practices that I that I keep going, 255 00:12:47.679 --> 00:12:51.480 and with all of them, I try to bring it 256 00:12:51.559 --> 00:12:55.399 back to this thought. So in in yoga and Buddhism, 257 00:12:55.480 --> 00:12:58.360 there's there's all these teachings about these these old monks 258 00:12:58.360 --> 00:13:00.519 that would they would go live in a case for 259 00:13:00.519 --> 00:13:03.080 forty years. They're living in a cave meditating and chanting, 260 00:13:03.120 --> 00:13:04.960 and the birds are bringing them food to eat and 261 00:13:04.960 --> 00:13:08.120 all this stuff. And so I bring it back to there. 262 00:13:08.720 --> 00:13:10.720 If I was all by myself, I didn't have any 263 00:13:10.759 --> 00:13:12.879 technology and I was in a cave, what would I do? 264 00:13:12.960 --> 00:13:14.440 How would I do this? How would I make this 265 00:13:14.559 --> 00:13:17.919 magic work? Because you know, there's there's so much over 266 00:13:18.000 --> 00:13:22.080 reliance people have on on structure, and I've got to 267 00:13:22.120 --> 00:13:24.000 have the right color a candle, and I've got to 268 00:13:24.039 --> 00:13:26.720 have the right smelling in sense, you don't need any 269 00:13:26.759 --> 00:13:29.279 of that. You can take a piece of mud. You 270 00:13:29.320 --> 00:13:32.000 know this, This is what chaos magic teaches. You take 271 00:13:32.039 --> 00:13:34.360 a piece of mud, form it into whatever form you want, 272 00:13:34.399 --> 00:13:36.440 give it a name, worship it, and then ask it 273 00:13:36.480 --> 00:13:38.120 to do things for you, and it's going to do things. 274 00:13:38.480 --> 00:13:40.720 But that actually brings me back to the real The 275 00:13:40.759 --> 00:13:43.279 real nature of magic is like like you're saying with 276 00:13:43.759 --> 00:13:48.519 the proto magicians, the first magicians. For a very long time, 277 00:13:48.799 --> 00:13:52.399 magic was formulated out of necessity that if you're going 278 00:13:52.440 --> 00:13:54.639 on a hunt, you got to you want to guarantee 279 00:13:54.639 --> 00:13:56.440 that you're going to bring something home from that hunt. 280 00:13:56.639 --> 00:13:58.879 If you're banging your wife, you want to guarantee that's 281 00:13:58.879 --> 00:14:01.639 going to produce a child. And so everything that you're doing, 282 00:14:01.679 --> 00:14:04.240 if you want to give that extra punch. They needed 283 00:14:04.240 --> 00:14:06.840 to find a technology to allow us to succeed and 284 00:14:06.840 --> 00:14:10.759 to thrive. And I do believe that our our spiritual 285 00:14:10.799 --> 00:14:13.799 capabilities is one of the things that gives us an advantage. 286 00:14:13.840 --> 00:14:16.320 And it's not only that you can feel things when 287 00:14:16.360 --> 00:14:18.960 you're hunting that you can actually tap into things on 288 00:14:19.039 --> 00:14:22.200 a deep level, but you can also manifest the things 289 00:14:22.240 --> 00:14:25.000 that you desire if you're visualizing it right. This is 290 00:14:25.480 --> 00:14:29.000 before we had a before we created a wheel as 291 00:14:29.000 --> 00:14:32.759 a species, before we had treated language. There were sorcerers 292 00:14:32.840 --> 00:14:36.240 gathered in caves that were chiseling, you know, the elk 293 00:14:36.320 --> 00:14:37.759 that they want to go hunt, to make sure that 294 00:14:37.759 --> 00:14:39.559 they can hunt it. And they would, they would, you know, 295 00:14:39.759 --> 00:14:41.919 we need twelve elks, So we're going to chisel twelve 296 00:14:41.960 --> 00:14:44.000 of them right here, and then we're going to spoke 297 00:14:44.080 --> 00:14:46.039 some of this that we've got here when I gaze 298 00:14:46.639 --> 00:14:49.960 visualize it, and so it's like that before before we 299 00:14:50.000 --> 00:14:53.039 had any technology, this was one of the first technologies 300 00:14:53.320 --> 00:14:55.799 that people started using. Now I'm going to go even further. 301 00:14:56.519 --> 00:14:59.039 I don't think that we just accidentally figured this stuff out. 302 00:14:59.279 --> 00:15:01.639 I think that it was given to us. I don't know, 303 00:15:01.919 --> 00:15:05.360 you know, I like to think that some gods stepped 304 00:15:05.360 --> 00:15:07.840 in and handed us these tools, or maybe it was 305 00:15:07.879 --> 00:15:11.159 the past civilization, because I think there are multiple civilizations 306 00:15:11.200 --> 00:15:15.440 before us. But I don't think we just stumbled on this. 307 00:15:15.440 --> 00:15:17.440 This is a technology that was given to us. 308 00:15:18.080 --> 00:15:18.879 Damn. 309 00:15:19.000 --> 00:15:21.720 Yeah, that's I mean, it does kind of make sense. 310 00:15:21.759 --> 00:15:24.480 And don't get me started. I'm a conspiracy theorist through 311 00:15:24.480 --> 00:15:28.159 and through, so whenever you talk about ancient forgotten about civilizations, 312 00:15:28.159 --> 00:15:32.080 I'm all here for the Atlantis talk. But yeah, I 313 00:15:32.639 --> 00:15:34.600 think you're onto something, dude, Like as far as just 314 00:15:34.679 --> 00:15:37.279 how all of it works, like it doesn't necessarily have 315 00:15:37.399 --> 00:15:39.840 to be so structured, I think. And this is something 316 00:15:39.879 --> 00:15:42.159 that even the Magickian was talking about. It was just like, 317 00:15:42.440 --> 00:15:44.720 you know, he goes, Yeah, you know, in the beginning, 318 00:15:44.799 --> 00:15:46.559 you want to make sure you got your sword and 319 00:15:46.600 --> 00:15:50.159 your chalice and your shield, and your incense and your candles, 320 00:15:50.200 --> 00:15:52.320 and make sure you have your temple and make sure 321 00:15:52.360 --> 00:15:54.360 nobody goes into your temple because you have to know 322 00:15:54.399 --> 00:15:58.240 that that's yours. And all of those things are essentially 323 00:15:58.320 --> 00:16:00.679 symbols that you're going to use in your mind. 324 00:16:00.720 --> 00:16:01.720 You're not using them. 325 00:16:01.559 --> 00:16:05.759 As a as a practice necessarily, uh to perform any 326 00:16:05.840 --> 00:16:07.799 kind of ritual. So he talked about, you know, all 327 00:16:07.799 --> 00:16:11.559 the different practices that he would use and essentially like 328 00:16:11.679 --> 00:16:14.759 take these symbols and being able to work with them 329 00:16:14.759 --> 00:16:16.759 in his mind. And he goes, after a while, you're 330 00:16:16.799 --> 00:16:19.279 not gonna need any of that shit anymore. You're like, 331 00:16:19.399 --> 00:16:21.039 all you're gonna need all of that's going to be 332 00:16:21.039 --> 00:16:22.840 in your mind. You don't need to see a physical 333 00:16:22.879 --> 00:16:25.600 sword in front of you anymore because now that sort 334 00:16:25.720 --> 00:16:28.840 is so permanently tattooed inside your mind, you can just 335 00:16:28.879 --> 00:16:31.559 go pick it up and grab it, you know. And 336 00:16:31.559 --> 00:16:33.840 and so yeah, I agree with you that you don't 337 00:16:33.879 --> 00:16:36.720 necessarily need all that. It's just helpful kind of tools 338 00:16:36.759 --> 00:16:38.440 to help you to get to where you're going. 339 00:16:38.519 --> 00:16:43.080 Right, Well, I'm actually gonna go. It's interesting because I think, 340 00:16:44.360 --> 00:16:47.039 I think everything moves in waves. It's not just one 341 00:16:47.080 --> 00:16:50.360 thing all the time. It's sometimes this and sometimes that. 342 00:16:50.600 --> 00:16:53.799 And so with that, Yeah, when you first start start 343 00:16:53.799 --> 00:16:56.080 out with all the different stuff, make sure you're you know, 344 00:16:56.120 --> 00:16:59.480 you're you're you're really going hardcore into the physical, and 345 00:16:59.519 --> 00:17:01.879 then start eliminating it, you know, to take the sword out. 346 00:17:01.879 --> 00:17:04.039 And I suggest the same thing of taking the tools 347 00:17:04.039 --> 00:17:06.680 out one at a time. You know, what's the thing 348 00:17:06.680 --> 00:17:08.519 that it feels like you don't really need it. Get 349 00:17:08.640 --> 00:17:10.640 rid of all of those things, and then and then 350 00:17:10.680 --> 00:17:12.680 get to the point. Get rid of the circle, get 351 00:17:12.759 --> 00:17:14.519 rid of the triangle, get rid of your words, get 352 00:17:14.599 --> 00:17:17.079 rid of everything until you're just standing there in blissful 353 00:17:17.079 --> 00:17:22.079 communion with the spirit and and so that's awesome. But 354 00:17:22.200 --> 00:17:26.680 then I do recommend once you're kind of at a 355 00:17:26.720 --> 00:17:31.119 plateau with that, adding things back in what actually feels necessary, 356 00:17:31.160 --> 00:17:33.319 what feels like it's going to add to the ritual, 357 00:17:33.599 --> 00:17:36.720 you know. So I did an evocation of Michael a 358 00:17:36.759 --> 00:17:39.440 couple of weeks ago, the archangel Michael, and I just 359 00:17:40.000 --> 00:17:42.799 I did it all in my backyard, a huge elaborate ritual, 360 00:17:44.079 --> 00:17:47.400 and I was like, you know, I want to have 361 00:17:48.680 --> 00:17:50.359 I feel like I need Like there wasn't much there. 362 00:17:50.359 --> 00:17:52.359 I have my book to take notes in, I had 363 00:17:52.359 --> 00:17:56.920 my incense and the circle that I carved into the ground, 364 00:17:57.119 --> 00:17:59.880 and I'm like, I really don't have much though, and 365 00:18:00.079 --> 00:18:01.640 I feel like I should bring something. But it really 366 00:18:01.720 --> 00:18:05.319 hit me anything that that you add, it can't just 367 00:18:05.319 --> 00:18:07.599 be because you want to add extra stuff. It needs 368 00:18:07.599 --> 00:18:09.759 to actually have a purpose. So if you can figure 369 00:18:09.799 --> 00:18:11.759 out the purpose. So what I actually got was a gong. 370 00:18:11.880 --> 00:18:13.559 I got a big old gong I brought out there, 371 00:18:13.559 --> 00:18:14.839 and I was like, I'm just gonna get this gong 372 00:18:15.200 --> 00:18:17.279 once and that's going to set the ritual. And that 373 00:18:17.440 --> 00:18:19.319 was all I needed, and it was a perfect ritual. 374 00:18:19.359 --> 00:18:24.680 But the why I'm saying this is the sword is 375 00:18:24.759 --> 00:18:27.920 not just it's not just a prop for your mind. 376 00:18:28.480 --> 00:18:31.440 It can also become an anchor of your power. And 377 00:18:31.519 --> 00:18:34.559 so if you have a physical tool, you know, I've 378 00:18:34.599 --> 00:18:36.799 got swords on the wall behind me there, and most 379 00:18:36.799 --> 00:18:39.319 of them are magical. And they said they're doing whatever 380 00:18:39.359 --> 00:18:43.200 they're doing, whether I'm sleeping or playing video games or 381 00:18:43.240 --> 00:18:46.640 whatever I'm doing, my magical tools are always working on 382 00:18:46.640 --> 00:18:49.079 my behalf, and so it can it can act as 383 00:18:49.079 --> 00:18:53.200 a physical anchor for your your energy. Another thing that 384 00:18:53.240 --> 00:18:56.640 I that I'll say is I have noticed if you're 385 00:18:56.640 --> 00:18:59.240 doing the ritual in your mind only, and I would 386 00:18:59.279 --> 00:19:02.000 call that mental asterol and ritual that you because maybe 387 00:19:02.000 --> 00:19:06.640 you are on the astral play moving things. The result 388 00:19:06.680 --> 00:19:09.039 that you can expect is usually going to be a 389 00:19:09.119 --> 00:19:12.799 mental or an energetic or an emotional result. If you 390 00:19:12.880 --> 00:19:15.319 want to have a physical result, you've got to do 391 00:19:15.359 --> 00:19:18.640 some physical stuff. And so with the physical stuff, light 392 00:19:18.720 --> 00:19:21.559 some candles, light some incense, say the words out loud, 393 00:19:21.839 --> 00:19:25.079 actually develop the magical ecosystem in the space and then 394 00:19:25.119 --> 00:19:28.559 transmit it. Transmit your will through the ritual and then 395 00:19:28.680 --> 00:19:30.599 also go do the things in the world that you 396 00:19:30.680 --> 00:19:32.200 need to do. If you're going to do a wealth spell, 397 00:19:32.240 --> 00:19:34.279 you've better be putting applications out. If you're doing a 398 00:19:34.279 --> 00:19:36.720 love spell, you better be you know, brushing yourself up 399 00:19:36.759 --> 00:19:40.200 and going and approaching some bodies. So uh so, yeah, 400 00:19:40.319 --> 00:19:42.359 that's uh, those are my thoughts on that. 401 00:19:42.799 --> 00:19:44.440 Light goes into what you were saying as far as 402 00:19:44.480 --> 00:19:47.119 you know, the whole embodying thing. You know, we we 403 00:19:47.119 --> 00:19:49.039 were just covering this not too long ago, and it 404 00:19:49.119 --> 00:19:51.200 was so fascinating because it made so much sense. 405 00:19:51.240 --> 00:19:53.559 You know, if you're going to do a money. 406 00:19:53.240 --> 00:19:58.640 Spell, and you would probably want to embody the energy 407 00:19:58.759 --> 00:20:01.160 of somebody who is going out there and getting money, 408 00:20:01.440 --> 00:20:03.200 you know what I mean, It just makes too much sense. 409 00:20:03.519 --> 00:20:06.480 Right. Well, have you checked out the book Think and 410 00:20:06.519 --> 00:20:08.079 Grow Rich by Napoleon Hill. 411 00:20:08.319 --> 00:20:10.440 Jonathan always brings this up. 412 00:20:10.640 --> 00:20:16.039 Yeah. Yeah. So when I was like eighteen, I started 413 00:20:16.240 --> 00:20:18.839 hanging out with some rich guys that did multi level marketing, 414 00:20:18.839 --> 00:20:20.720 and they got me in a couple of their schemes 415 00:20:20.759 --> 00:20:22.559 and I made a little bit of money, But more 416 00:20:22.599 --> 00:20:25.000 than anything, I was trying to figure out, like, how 417 00:20:25.000 --> 00:20:26.799 do you become that person? How do you become the 418 00:20:26.799 --> 00:20:30.519 person that that that is comfortable with the nice home 419 00:20:30.599 --> 00:20:32.920 and the nice car and the nice lifestyle, because I 420 00:20:32.920 --> 00:20:35.119 I've always been poor. I've been homeless several times in 421 00:20:35.160 --> 00:20:37.920 my life. You know, I've magic to pull me up 422 00:20:37.960 --> 00:20:40.960 out of the gutters, literally, And so I'm looking at 423 00:20:40.960 --> 00:20:43.440 this going what what's the secrets behind this? And everybody 424 00:20:43.519 --> 00:20:46.400 kept turning me over to Napoleon Hill, Think and Grow Rich, 425 00:20:46.440 --> 00:20:47.839 And so I read that book and I was like, 426 00:20:49.319 --> 00:20:52.079 all it's talking about is the way you think. Where's 427 00:20:52.119 --> 00:20:58.000 the actual like system, where's the yeah, And all my 428 00:20:58.039 --> 00:21:00.359 mentors kept telling me, no, No, that is the secret. 429 00:21:00.400 --> 00:21:02.119 You got to tune the way you think about things. 430 00:21:02.160 --> 00:21:05.240 You have to see yourself as being the person that 431 00:21:05.279 --> 00:21:08.160 you want to be. Start identifying like not just a 432 00:21:08.279 --> 00:21:12.119 nice car, what car? What brando of car? And you know, 433 00:21:12.160 --> 00:21:14.440 what does the house actually look like? What does it 434 00:21:14.480 --> 00:21:17.599 feel like? And part of that is, you know, this 435 00:21:18.400 --> 00:21:20.640 is silly that I feel silly for admitting this, but 436 00:21:20.680 --> 00:21:22.839 one of the things that I will do from time 437 00:21:22.880 --> 00:21:25.079 to time if I need a series of breakthroughs in 438 00:21:25.119 --> 00:21:27.440 my life is all sit down and do a vision board. 439 00:21:27.720 --> 00:21:29.400 You know. I saw this on Oprah when I was 440 00:21:29.440 --> 00:21:31.960 like in high school or something. My mom's watching Oprah 441 00:21:32.000 --> 00:21:34.279 in the other room, and I'm like, oh, I'm gonna 442 00:21:34.279 --> 00:21:37.319 try this, and so go get a poster board, get 443 00:21:37.319 --> 00:21:39.240 a bunch of magazines and cut out the pictures of 444 00:21:39.279 --> 00:21:41.079 the things that you want, and don't think about it. 445 00:21:41.119 --> 00:21:42.839 Just whatever you're drawing to, just cut it out, put 446 00:21:42.880 --> 00:21:45.960 it on the board, and then every day pin that 447 00:21:45.960 --> 00:21:47.759 in your bedroom, so every day you look at it 448 00:21:48.039 --> 00:21:51.519 and just think about it and visualize yourself having those things. Dude, 449 00:21:51.640 --> 00:21:54.480 it's sick. How do stuff just starts coming to you. 450 00:21:54.559 --> 00:21:56.440 But the exact kind of car that I cut the 451 00:21:56.440 --> 00:21:58.880 picture out like it was within a couple months, boom, 452 00:21:58.960 --> 00:22:00.480 that's the car that I've got my hands. And I 453 00:22:00.519 --> 00:22:02.319 didn't even notice it until I looked back at the board. 454 00:22:02.440 --> 00:22:06.000 So yeah, you shouldn't even feel silly talking like that, 455 00:22:06.119 --> 00:22:07.839 you know what I mean? Because we all know that 456 00:22:07.880 --> 00:22:10.240 you can you can see things in the world and 457 00:22:10.279 --> 00:22:12.920 maybe you're you're not consciously aware of that, you know. 458 00:22:12.960 --> 00:22:15.480 And I had a really weird experience, so we can 459 00:22:15.519 --> 00:22:19.200 get into that later. But basically, my my subconscious mind 460 00:22:19.279 --> 00:22:22.079 was noticing certain things that I was not fully aware of, 461 00:22:22.400 --> 00:22:24.160 and then I had some weird vision when I was 462 00:22:24.160 --> 00:22:26.160 thinking a nap of some lightning and shit like that, 463 00:22:26.240 --> 00:22:28.119 and then I get up and two hours later a 464 00:22:28.240 --> 00:22:30.960 storm rolls in and there's a bunch of lightning. There 465 00:22:31.000 --> 00:22:33.680 was no way I saw nothing with my conscious mind 466 00:22:33.680 --> 00:22:35.960 that a storm was coming that that, you know, there 467 00:22:35.960 --> 00:22:38.319 was no clouds in the distance, nothing like that. And 468 00:22:38.359 --> 00:22:41.480 so somehow my subconscious mind was aware of what I 469 00:22:41.680 --> 00:22:45.359 wasn't And so you, uh, what is that called when 470 00:22:45.359 --> 00:22:47.839 you're when you're Byron, I think you taught us this, 471 00:22:47.920 --> 00:22:51.839 but when you're seeing something throughout the day and you're 472 00:22:51.920 --> 00:22:54.319 just it's in your subconscious mind. But that doesn't sound 473 00:22:54.359 --> 00:22:56.880 silly to me at all, Dude, to look at stuff 474 00:22:56.920 --> 00:22:59.880 like that, and it's kind of reprogramming your mind to 475 00:23:00.720 --> 00:23:02.759 expect to see these things even without. 476 00:23:02.559 --> 00:23:03.359 You really knowing it. 477 00:23:03.359 --> 00:23:05.759 It's almost like, so that's a magic in itself, like 478 00:23:05.799 --> 00:23:07.279 a premonition at that point. 479 00:23:07.440 --> 00:23:08.960 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 480 00:23:09.079 --> 00:23:11.319 Up on the omens is a super important thing. You know, 481 00:23:11.440 --> 00:23:14.519 that's something especially filtering ound, something that's not just in 482 00:23:14.559 --> 00:23:16.759 your head, and like actually like a synchronicity or an 483 00:23:16.759 --> 00:23:21.039 omen and that's like a fascinating phenomenon about this place, 484 00:23:21.079 --> 00:23:23.519 this realm you know, because it's I mean, imagine what 485 00:23:23.599 --> 00:23:25.759 kind of mechanism would have to be for that that 486 00:23:25.880 --> 00:23:28.359 many people in the world to be receiving these messages 487 00:23:28.400 --> 00:23:31.200 all the time from the environment, and how many people 488 00:23:31.200 --> 00:23:34.000 just don't even pay attention to it. But imagine the 489 00:23:34.039 --> 00:23:36.720 mechanism behind that, Like if it was like computer software, 490 00:23:37.400 --> 00:23:40.039 you know, like imagine because everyone gets these you know, 491 00:23:40.039 --> 00:23:41.279 it's not like worthy only ones. 492 00:23:42.039 --> 00:23:44.440 Well, dude, it's not. No, that's a crazy that's a 493 00:23:44.440 --> 00:23:48.079 crazy point. So excuse me. My fiance and I were 494 00:23:48.119 --> 00:23:49.759 hanging out in Vegas. I just live right over the 495 00:23:49.759 --> 00:23:52.119 border of Vegas, so it's a fun town to go 496 00:23:52.160 --> 00:23:54.880 hang out in. So we're hanging out in Vegas and uh, 497 00:23:55.680 --> 00:23:57.519 we're up in the we're up in the hotel room 498 00:23:57.599 --> 00:24:01.200 doing a ritual for Hakante, the goddess of the underworld, 499 00:24:01.759 --> 00:24:03.680 and we walk out. As soon as we get on 500 00:24:03.720 --> 00:24:08.039 the street, we see this this fires boom and then 501 00:24:08.240 --> 00:24:10.839 Pitchfork comes up out of the fire and it's just 502 00:24:10.839 --> 00:24:13.720 some advertisement for something, and it's like, I felt like 503 00:24:13.759 --> 00:24:16.519 I got transported into hell itself. 504 00:24:16.079 --> 00:24:17.000 As soon as we saw that. 505 00:24:17.079 --> 00:24:18.920 It's like, what the heck, I'm like, and she goes 506 00:24:19.000 --> 00:24:20.480 she goes, did you see that? That was like a 507 00:24:20.519 --> 00:24:23.119 straight sign. I'm like yeah. And then we walk and 508 00:24:23.160 --> 00:24:25.200 there's there's a bunch of keys that we see, and 509 00:24:25.200 --> 00:24:28.319 there's keys everywhere, which is another symbol for her, and 510 00:24:28.400 --> 00:24:31.559 just everywhere we're looking, it's like the world is just 511 00:24:31.599 --> 00:24:34.039 flashing with these symbols. So like by I'm saying like 512 00:24:34.079 --> 00:24:38.079 this is this is a meta communication with the spirits 513 00:24:38.079 --> 00:24:40.759 you're working with and with your environment itself, and it is. 514 00:24:41.279 --> 00:24:43.559 It does make you wonder about like the holographic nature 515 00:24:43.599 --> 00:24:46.440 of it because it's doing this for everybody, but most 516 00:24:46.440 --> 00:24:49.000 people are just ignoring it. Most people don't even see 517 00:24:49.039 --> 00:24:52.079 the signs. But so I call this the voice of magic. 518 00:24:52.640 --> 00:24:54.680 The voice of magic. It can be just little signs 519 00:24:54.680 --> 00:24:56.960 that you see. You know, don't leave your wallet there, 520 00:24:56.960 --> 00:24:59.039 You're gonna forget it, and then you forget your wallet. 521 00:24:59.119 --> 00:25:03.440 So the little voice of every single time there's a choice, 522 00:25:03.480 --> 00:25:05.880 it's like a crossroads that you're facing. Are you going 523 00:25:05.960 --> 00:25:07.480 to dis miss it as an accident or are you 524 00:25:07.519 --> 00:25:09.240 going to recognize it for what it is. If you 525 00:25:09.279 --> 00:25:11.559 recognize it for what it is, this doorway opens that 526 00:25:11.640 --> 00:25:14.720 makes more of those things happen, And so and and 527 00:25:15.279 --> 00:25:17.880 more of those things happen, and you become it becomes clearer, 528 00:25:17.920 --> 00:25:20.559 the voice gets super clear, to the point that you 529 00:25:20.599 --> 00:25:24.640 see the you see the if you'll see the answer 530 00:25:24.680 --> 00:25:26.640 to the question before you've in bother it to ask 531 00:25:26.680 --> 00:25:29.720 it while you're thinking about the question. But you're like, oh, damn, okay, 532 00:25:29.720 --> 00:25:31.279 cool dude. 533 00:25:30.960 --> 00:25:34.960 And it's like magic itself, you know, like leaves this 534 00:25:35.119 --> 00:25:37.799 like kind of calling card behind, you know, where it 535 00:25:37.920 --> 00:25:41.880 lets you know if someone's attacking you or if your 536 00:25:41.880 --> 00:25:45.160 spell is working, you know things are going good. You know, 537 00:25:45.279 --> 00:25:48.960 like the magic itself has this way of like just 538 00:25:49.079 --> 00:25:54.359 leaving it's it's residue behind just to inform you or 539 00:25:54.359 --> 00:25:54.960 anyone else. 540 00:25:55.000 --> 00:25:58.039 You know, dude. You know what's funny is is that? 541 00:25:58.400 --> 00:26:00.400 All right? So just to let all the one out there. 542 00:26:00.480 --> 00:26:04.000 No, we actually had these two guys scheduled a few 543 00:26:04.079 --> 00:26:06.920 days ago to come on the show, and uh, and 544 00:26:07.000 --> 00:26:09.599 I double booked and I didn't, you know, remember to 545 00:26:09.680 --> 00:26:10.759 jotted down the calendar. 546 00:26:10.960 --> 00:26:13.920 And I was like, oh, my God, of all people to. 547 00:26:14.039 --> 00:26:17.559 Leave like that, you know, waiting in the balance, and 548 00:26:17.599 --> 00:26:20.119 I'm like, this guy's gonna do a fucking baineful magic 549 00:26:20.119 --> 00:26:22.039 spell on me, like this is the worst. 550 00:26:21.839 --> 00:26:25.079 Person to leave behind. Oh my god, I hope he doesn't. 551 00:26:25.119 --> 00:26:26.960 And then you didn't reply back for a day or two, 552 00:26:27.000 --> 00:26:28.920 and I was like, oh shit, it's already happening. 553 00:26:29.000 --> 00:26:29.720 What's going on. 554 00:26:30.599 --> 00:26:38.200 I started to feel sick and shit, I won't. 555 00:26:38.079 --> 00:26:39.799 Hit me up and said, should we curse these guys 556 00:26:39.880 --> 00:26:40.079 or what? 557 00:26:42.000 --> 00:26:44.279 Yeah, well, I'm happy you guys. 558 00:26:45.480 --> 00:26:50.319 Yeah. So, Eric, you had mentioned about how the left 559 00:26:50.319 --> 00:26:52.519 hand path kind of gets a bad rep Can you 560 00:26:52.559 --> 00:26:53.960 explain what you mean by that? 561 00:26:55.400 --> 00:26:57.759 Yeah? Yeah, okay, So so we we've got to go 562 00:26:57.960 --> 00:27:00.240 We've got to go a bit for far back and 563 00:27:00.920 --> 00:27:04.319 go back to India, because that's where the term the 564 00:27:04.400 --> 00:27:06.799 left hand path comes from. Because understood that there's the 565 00:27:06.880 --> 00:27:09.519 right hand path, that's the solar path, the path of 566 00:27:09.559 --> 00:27:11.960 the daytime, the things that are obvious in life, the 567 00:27:12.000 --> 00:27:15.200 obvious gods, the obvious practices, and then you have the 568 00:27:15.559 --> 00:27:18.920 left hand path, the nighttime path. And so so where 569 00:27:18.960 --> 00:27:21.400 the daytime path, the solar path, and the right hand 570 00:27:21.440 --> 00:27:24.200 path is the it's a masculine path. It's a path 571 00:27:24.240 --> 00:27:28.240 of aggression and work and doing things in the physical world. 572 00:27:28.519 --> 00:27:31.400 The nighttime path is more turning into the unconscious, turning 573 00:27:31.759 --> 00:27:35.079 into the unknown. It's a feminine path of opening yourself 574 00:27:35.160 --> 00:27:38.319 up to receive the mysterious, not necessarily be so much 575 00:27:38.359 --> 00:27:43.160 in control. And this has created a bit of a 576 00:27:43.240 --> 00:27:46.799 division when this idea came over, Madame Blobotsky brought this 577 00:27:46.880 --> 00:27:54.039 over with earth. Was that the theosophy, theosophy, theosophy theosophy, 578 00:27:54.039 --> 00:27:56.160 all right, ye, yeah, Well she brought that over and 579 00:27:56.279 --> 00:27:58.519 imported the term left hand path and right hand path 580 00:27:58.559 --> 00:28:02.880 into that. She really made a disservice by saying the 581 00:28:02.920 --> 00:28:05.599 left hand path is the evil, demonic side, the right 582 00:28:05.599 --> 00:28:07.319 hand path is the good side, because that's not what 583 00:28:07.359 --> 00:28:09.440 it is at all. These are these are night and day, 584 00:28:09.480 --> 00:28:14.880 they're they're a perfect balance. And and so that's gotten 585 00:28:14.880 --> 00:28:19.599 filter through our Judaeo Christian society as left hand path 586 00:28:19.680 --> 00:28:23.359 is demonic and bad, demons are bad, Satanism is bad 587 00:28:23.799 --> 00:28:27.400 and and and evil, and obviously Christianity, which is responsible 588 00:28:27.440 --> 00:28:30.480 for more crimes and horrendous things to children and everything 589 00:28:30.480 --> 00:28:34.400 than anything we've ever seen before, that's the good side. 590 00:28:34.519 --> 00:28:38.039 And so it's like, so that same false division is 591 00:28:38.079 --> 00:28:40.079 really affecting the whole thing. Is the things that most 592 00:28:40.079 --> 00:28:42.160 of the time, most of the time when a magician 593 00:28:42.200 --> 00:28:45.000 refers to a demon. They're not talking about something evil. 594 00:28:45.039 --> 00:28:49.519 They're talking about ancient gods that pre date Christianity and Judaism. 595 00:28:49.799 --> 00:28:52.240 You know, you look at you look at ninga Zita. 596 00:28:52.319 --> 00:28:55.599 The first serpent god is literally just a serpent god, 597 00:28:56.119 --> 00:28:59.759 a giant serpent. Christians freak out about that kind of stuff. 598 00:28:59.799 --> 00:29:02.920 That's obviously evil, but that's one of the very first 599 00:29:02.920 --> 00:29:05.240 gods ever worshiped. And so when you go back further 600 00:29:05.319 --> 00:29:08.720 and further in time to our modern perception filter through 601 00:29:08.880 --> 00:29:12.279 Judeo Christian lens, it does look very evil. And so 602 00:29:12.400 --> 00:29:15.799 there is that now also there's a there's there's an 603 00:29:15.839 --> 00:29:20.839 additional matter of people always wanting to scapegoat their problems. 604 00:29:20.960 --> 00:29:23.359 So anything that we don't want to admit that we have, 605 00:29:23.559 --> 00:29:26.480 it's easier than to admit we have problems than to 606 00:29:26.559 --> 00:29:28.960 just say, oh, these people over here, they're not of 607 00:29:29.000 --> 00:29:32.480 our tribe. Therefore let's let's blame them. That's always kind 608 00:29:32.519 --> 00:29:36.200 of the pattern. And and so those those things kind 609 00:29:36.200 --> 00:29:39.279 of brought together do give Left Hand Path a bad 610 00:29:39.359 --> 00:29:41.920 name that if anybody ever says they're working with black magic, 611 00:29:42.240 --> 00:29:46.200 it's automatically assumed that they're cursing people or that they're manipulating, 612 00:29:46.319 --> 00:29:50.079 or that they're doing doing generally like bad nefarious things. 613 00:29:51.279 --> 00:29:53.960 I would say that, no, they're they're actually that you're 614 00:29:53.960 --> 00:29:57.920 actually just tuning into the more mysterious, the darker, sometimes 615 00:29:57.960 --> 00:30:02.799 absolutely the forbidden things. And that is I never I 616 00:30:02.880 --> 00:30:05.920 understand whether I understand where there are safeguards there. You know, 617 00:30:06.000 --> 00:30:08.119 don't call the worst of the worst demons because he'll 618 00:30:08.160 --> 00:30:11.200 destroy your life. He might destroy your life, but I 619 00:30:11.240 --> 00:30:13.319 still like to call him. There's still and call. 620 00:30:13.279 --> 00:30:17.200 Him, Oh yeah, dude, yeah, it's a that's man. That 621 00:30:17.319 --> 00:30:19.319 is so interesting to do that. And I was actually 622 00:30:19.359 --> 00:30:22.079 talking with somebody earlier that said, oh, you know, I 623 00:30:22.079 --> 00:30:24.799 don't believe in spells, and I'm like, like, what do 624 00:30:24.799 --> 00:30:25.160 you mean. 625 00:30:25.079 --> 00:30:26.079 You don't believe in it? 626 00:30:26.160 --> 00:30:28.440 Like you you believe that it's not happening, like you 627 00:30:28.480 --> 00:30:29.640 think that it's not working. 628 00:30:29.880 --> 00:30:31.119 No, I don't believe in any of that. 629 00:30:31.240 --> 00:30:34.079 I'm like, what would be a way that what would 630 00:30:34.079 --> 00:30:36.079 be a spell that I could do to show you 631 00:30:36.119 --> 00:30:39.519 that it actually does work and that there is something 632 00:30:39.640 --> 00:30:42.759 truly behind it. And so I was just curious, you know, 633 00:30:42.960 --> 00:30:44.880 and not to get too personal, you know, you don't 634 00:30:44.880 --> 00:30:45.440 have to say anything. 635 00:30:45.480 --> 00:30:45.960 You don't want to. 636 00:30:46.000 --> 00:30:49.079 But is there has there been like a ritual or 637 00:30:49.119 --> 00:30:51.200 a spell that you've done that you were like, oh 638 00:30:51.279 --> 00:30:53.599 my god, I can't believe it worked. Like, have you 639 00:30:53.680 --> 00:30:55.319 had a few of those instances? 640 00:30:56.720 --> 00:30:58.680 Oh? Yeah, there are a couple of them that are 641 00:30:58.759 --> 00:31:01.319 so out there that I won't mention them, But but 642 00:31:01.400 --> 00:31:05.000 there are some that there are some that that I'll 643 00:31:05.000 --> 00:31:07.200 look at the world headlines, I'm like, how can I 644 00:31:07.200 --> 00:31:09.480 I want to read something on the New York Times headline? 645 00:31:09.519 --> 00:31:11.920 What's that going to be? And uh and and so 646 00:31:12.000 --> 00:31:14.359 I'll even as soon as I got into radionics, it 647 00:31:14.400 --> 00:31:16.960 got really easy to do that where I programmed specific 648 00:31:17.000 --> 00:31:18.799 phrases that I want to have pop up and in 649 00:31:18.880 --> 00:31:21.640 the the pop up in the world headlines and then 650 00:31:21.680 --> 00:31:25.400 start seeing that that phrase boom all over and so 651 00:31:25.400 --> 00:31:28.279 so playing little games with reality like that for sure. 652 00:31:31.599 --> 00:31:34.079 I mean, look, i'd like I actually I'm going to 653 00:31:34.160 --> 00:31:37.880 take this to a more personal level though, is uh 654 00:31:38.079 --> 00:31:42.079 my daughter was when she was like one, maybe two 655 00:31:42.160 --> 00:31:44.079 years old in between when you know, when she's one 656 00:31:44.119 --> 00:31:45.680 and a half years one and a half years old, 657 00:31:47.640 --> 00:31:50.519 she got she got started getting really sick, heating up, 658 00:31:50.599 --> 00:31:53.440 and and just we couldn't keep her temperature down no 659 00:31:53.480 --> 00:31:56.759 matter what we did. Every every day we're having her 660 00:31:56.799 --> 00:31:59.160 at the doctor's office and the doctor's running tasks, can't 661 00:31:59.160 --> 00:32:01.480 figure it out. Is going on about a week, and 662 00:32:01.519 --> 00:32:03.759 she said she's at this point, she's not keeping fluids down. 663 00:32:03.920 --> 00:32:05.920 You know, as soon as she's drinks it, drinks anything, 664 00:32:05.920 --> 00:32:09.920 she's peeking it back up. And you know, we had 665 00:32:09.960 --> 00:32:11.640 her in the er a couple of times and they 666 00:32:11.680 --> 00:32:13.480 sent us home and they're like, look, next thing you 667 00:32:13.519 --> 00:32:18.920 come in, it's is ICU time. And I was like, oh, okay, 668 00:32:19.000 --> 00:32:23.880 this is bad. So I actually call a demon that 669 00:32:23.920 --> 00:32:27.519 I've worked with a lot, King pime On. He's great 670 00:32:27.559 --> 00:32:31.319 for making you know, getting getting my jobs to you know, 671 00:32:31.519 --> 00:32:34.880 whatever whatever I needed, little little things in the world 672 00:32:34.920 --> 00:32:36.599 they needed, he was always there. So I called him. 673 00:32:36.599 --> 00:32:38.880 He's like, hey, hey, this isn't my realm. I don't 674 00:32:38.880 --> 00:32:41.680 do healing. And I'm like, ah, but you know, see 675 00:32:41.680 --> 00:32:43.039 what you can do. And he's like, I'm telling you 676 00:32:43.079 --> 00:32:45.079 I don't do healing. I was like, just do do 677 00:32:45.119 --> 00:32:48.640 the best you can for me. She gets instantly worse, 678 00:32:48.880 --> 00:32:52.640 instantly just starts plummeting and uh. And so I call 679 00:32:52.759 --> 00:32:54.680 him back and I was like, what the hell is 680 00:32:54.720 --> 00:32:56.759 going on here, dude? He says, I told you I 681 00:32:56.759 --> 00:32:59.799 don't do healing. You need to go to the archangel Raphael. 682 00:33:00.119 --> 00:33:01.960 And I was like, wait a minute, dude, you're a 683 00:33:02.039 --> 00:33:05.119 demonic king and you're telling me to go to an archangel. 684 00:33:05.200 --> 00:33:06.799 What's going on here? He goes, I'm telling you to 685 00:33:06.799 --> 00:33:09.200 go to the best person for the job. She's a child. 686 00:33:09.319 --> 00:33:11.279 He will heal on her. And that is the thing, 687 00:33:11.319 --> 00:33:14.240 because like, if you're an awful person with all kinds 688 00:33:14.279 --> 00:33:17.039 of sin under your belt, angels might not heal you. 689 00:33:17.240 --> 00:33:19.279 But if you're a child, you know they can come through. 690 00:33:19.440 --> 00:33:23.759 So I call Colin Raphael. Didn't have a communication or 691 00:33:23.799 --> 00:33:26.559 a connection with him, just an understanding that his light 692 00:33:26.720 --> 00:33:30.640 was passing to her pretty much instant recovery. Instant recovery. 693 00:33:30.680 --> 00:33:33.480 And then as she's as her temperature's coming down and 694 00:33:33.480 --> 00:33:35.839 she started to get coloring her cheeks again, get a 695 00:33:35.839 --> 00:33:39.119 call from the doctor. Just got the test results back. 696 00:33:39.200 --> 00:33:41.440 It's this and this, We know exactly what to give her. 697 00:33:41.519 --> 00:33:43.240 Just bring her in and bring her in the morning. 698 00:33:43.279 --> 00:33:45.960 If she's stabilizing, you should be good. But it was 699 00:33:46.039 --> 00:33:51.039 clear sailing and so for me, it's like it's fun 700 00:33:51.079 --> 00:33:53.039 to make little stuff happen in the world and to 701 00:33:54.599 --> 00:33:57.119 manipulate people and do that kind of stuff. But when 702 00:33:57.119 --> 00:33:59.440 the rubber meets the road, my daughter wouldn't be alive 703 00:33:59.519 --> 00:34:01.680 if it weren't for magic. And so that's the kind 704 00:34:01.720 --> 00:34:04.599 of stuff that blows my mind. That makes me grateful, 705 00:34:04.640 --> 00:34:07.480 that makes me humble with the that it does make 706 00:34:07.519 --> 00:34:09.679 me humble. That's the thing that's that's the thing that 707 00:34:09.679 --> 00:34:13.079 people don't really really understand from the outside. This stuff 708 00:34:13.119 --> 00:34:16.079 does not inflate your ego. It does the exact opposite. 709 00:34:16.119 --> 00:34:18.719 It makes you go, oh man, I'm so small and 710 00:34:18.760 --> 00:34:19.920 this power is so big. 711 00:34:20.679 --> 00:34:24.119 Oh my's incredible. Man. Thanks for sharing that, dude. 712 00:34:24.320 --> 00:34:28.840 Yeah, that's crazy, man, just out of curiosity. I'm trying 713 00:34:28.840 --> 00:34:32.719 to understand, like exactly how how it works. Whenever you're 714 00:34:32.800 --> 00:34:37.320 saying that, like you called him up, like what is 715 00:34:37.400 --> 00:34:38.199 what does that mean? 716 00:34:39.639 --> 00:34:42.039 Yeah? Yeah, no, no, thank you, thank you. Let's let's 717 00:34:42.039 --> 00:34:44.960 break it down, all right. So at that time, I'm 718 00:34:44.960 --> 00:34:46.760 living in a little apartment, just a you know, a 719 00:34:46.840 --> 00:34:50.599 second story apartment, and uh my wife at the time, 720 00:34:50.679 --> 00:34:54.719 ex wife, she was she was tolerant of everything. She 721 00:34:54.800 --> 00:34:57.079 wasn't really getting you know, into it herself, but she 722 00:34:57.079 --> 00:35:00.599 would tolerate all my rituals. She kin't have to. So 723 00:35:01.400 --> 00:35:04.079 I go in the living room and I lay down 724 00:35:04.079 --> 00:35:10.639 a it's so amateur, but I took a tape, just 725 00:35:10.760 --> 00:35:13.280 blue painters tape, and just made a circle out of 726 00:35:13.320 --> 00:35:16.000 the blue painters tape, made a triangle out of the tape, 727 00:35:16.320 --> 00:35:19.159 and then laid my incense in there. Put just a 728 00:35:19.199 --> 00:35:22.679 bowl of incense. So with the incense, I'll use discs 729 00:35:22.719 --> 00:35:25.280 just like hookah discs that I'll then put like resin 730 00:35:25.400 --> 00:35:29.679 on top of. And so I did that, got candles 731 00:35:29.679 --> 00:35:33.480 at each of the corners of the triangle and then 732 00:35:33.519 --> 00:35:36.679 started keeping incense on there and calling out to King 733 00:35:36.800 --> 00:35:38.960 pime On. And so with the calling out, I keep 734 00:35:39.000 --> 00:35:41.960 my invocations super simple because what I'm trying to do, 735 00:35:42.000 --> 00:35:44.559 I'm not trying to get this flowery sound and good thing. 736 00:35:44.760 --> 00:35:46.760 I'm just I'm trying to get myself into a deep, 737 00:35:46.880 --> 00:35:50.280 deep state with my eyes open, still functioning, but get 738 00:35:50.360 --> 00:35:53.000 my mind as low as I can. And so King 739 00:35:53.119 --> 00:35:59.079 pime On, Come, King pime On, Come, and just continue 740 00:35:59.159 --> 00:36:02.199 that and just keep myself going lower and lower as 741 00:36:02.199 --> 00:36:05.519 I'm looking at the smoke. Now what starts happening there. 742 00:36:08.679 --> 00:36:11.159 You can feel the presence of the spirit come into 743 00:36:11.199 --> 00:36:14.960 the room. You can feel like your body constricts a bit, 744 00:36:15.039 --> 00:36:17.280 like it feels like it feels like you've got a 745 00:36:17.280 --> 00:36:20.280 compression suit on that gets a little bit tighter. If 746 00:36:20.320 --> 00:36:22.519 it gets a little harder to breathe, start getting a 747 00:36:22.519 --> 00:36:25.480 little dizzy like like it's it's it does feel like 748 00:36:25.519 --> 00:36:29.639 it's again harder to breathe, for sure. And then that 749 00:36:31.199 --> 00:36:34.760 if you keep your eyes open looking at the smoke, 750 00:36:34.800 --> 00:36:36.480 you're going to see strange things popping out of the 751 00:36:36.480 --> 00:36:39.119 smoke a little, a little, you know, a puff of 752 00:36:39.159 --> 00:36:42.480 smoke will look like a skull, or look like a serpent. 753 00:36:42.800 --> 00:36:45.519 And those are cool symbols, but the real, the real 754 00:36:45.599 --> 00:36:49.119 contact is happening behind the scenes inside your mind. That 755 00:36:49.119 --> 00:36:53.320 that keeping yourself in that low place. The very first 756 00:36:53.360 --> 00:36:57.880 time I call King Pymon in my mind, it was 757 00:36:57.920 --> 00:37:00.960 a voice coming from above me saying, who do you 758 00:37:01.039 --> 00:37:04.559 think you are? Who have called me? And I was like, oh, correct, 759 00:37:06.480 --> 00:37:08.559 The only answer for that is it's not me. It's 760 00:37:08.599 --> 00:37:10.400 God who's calling you here? It's not me. It is 761 00:37:10.440 --> 00:37:12.960 yead hey, bob hey, it is it is you know. 762 00:37:13.000 --> 00:37:14.639 Do you just go through different God names of what 763 00:37:14.719 --> 00:37:17.480 resonates for you, because you're not calling him as a human, 764 00:37:17.519 --> 00:37:21.280 you're actually invoking divinity within you. And and so I 765 00:37:21.320 --> 00:37:24.800 go through that whole whole repetition, and you know he 766 00:37:24.880 --> 00:37:27.360 comes into a more comely form. But that is usually 767 00:37:27.920 --> 00:37:31.840 it's there's going to be strange phenomenon flashing. You'll see 768 00:37:31.840 --> 00:37:34.920 I'll see visibly flashing lights, like the light in the 769 00:37:35.000 --> 00:37:39.400 room starts pulsing and all of that. But it's almost 770 00:37:39.440 --> 00:37:43.559 like that's I treat that anything that's happening with my 771 00:37:43.679 --> 00:37:46.800 eyes is a distraction from the inner thing that's happening. 772 00:37:46.840 --> 00:37:50.920 The communication is happening within now. One little, one actually 773 00:37:51.039 --> 00:37:55.320 big secret that I use to unlock it is is 774 00:37:55.360 --> 00:37:58.199 this little rule here. If you want to get an answer, 775 00:37:58.320 --> 00:38:00.639 you have to ask a question. Because most of the 776 00:38:00.639 --> 00:38:03.719 time when you're sitting in that state, it's like, okay, 777 00:38:03.760 --> 00:38:06.000 pime on, you're here, thanks for coming. If you don't 778 00:38:06.000 --> 00:38:09.400 have anything to go on, it's it doesn't really build. 779 00:38:09.519 --> 00:38:11.519 You've got to build it with your questions. So I say, 780 00:38:12.119 --> 00:38:14.880 bring three to five good questions into it. And so 781 00:38:15.000 --> 00:38:16.599 just start out, you know, who are you? You can 782 00:38:16.639 --> 00:38:18.639 have your first question, who are you what's your name? 783 00:38:18.840 --> 00:38:20.599 That's actually a good question to start with if you 784 00:38:20.639 --> 00:38:22.360 don't know the spirit, so it can talk a bit 785 00:38:22.360 --> 00:38:24.559 about itself and then just build on it from there. 786 00:38:24.599 --> 00:38:28.079 But you'll ask to ask the question out loud, and 787 00:38:28.840 --> 00:38:31.880 most of the time, most of the time, the answer 788 00:38:32.000 --> 00:38:34.960 just starts popping off in your head, usually in an 789 00:38:35.000 --> 00:38:37.480 inner voice that's not your own. It's a very clear, 790 00:38:37.559 --> 00:38:41.280 different tone, a different just a different everything. Just inject 791 00:38:41.280 --> 00:38:43.480 it into your mind. Now. One cool thing about it 792 00:38:43.519 --> 00:38:46.760 is you can pose it, rewind it, and play it 793 00:38:46.800 --> 00:38:49.159 forward exactly the same way. If you miss out what 794 00:38:49.199 --> 00:38:51.679 a saying, you're trying to take notes and you're like whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, 795 00:38:51.719 --> 00:38:55.480 back up, it'll whatever this whatever's happening here, it is 796 00:38:55.519 --> 00:38:57.960 like it's playing a recording because it'll go the exact 797 00:38:58.000 --> 00:39:00.320 same tone, not missing a beat, and it'll tell you 798 00:39:00.360 --> 00:39:03.159 the exact same thing again, almost like it's a pre 799 00:39:03.159 --> 00:39:07.000 recorded message waiting for you to unpack it. And so 800 00:39:08.440 --> 00:39:10.440 now what I'm saying, what I'm saying, most of the 801 00:39:10.480 --> 00:39:13.800 time it'll be this inner experience. I'm saying that because 802 00:39:15.000 --> 00:39:19.360 you do have these sideball phenomenons where I'll see the 803 00:39:19.360 --> 00:39:21.440 person I'll see the spirit in front of me and 804 00:39:21.480 --> 00:39:23.519 it'll it'll shock me. Oh again. You Usually it won't 805 00:39:23.519 --> 00:39:25.559 be dead in front of me. It'll be right off 806 00:39:25.599 --> 00:39:27.760 to the corner. It'll be in the peripheral vision and 807 00:39:27.800 --> 00:39:30.559 I can see every detail of them until I look 808 00:39:31.679 --> 00:39:34.599 or or I'll hear something actually audibly and go, is 809 00:39:34.599 --> 00:39:37.400 somebody in the house or whatever. But most of the time, 810 00:39:37.599 --> 00:39:39.880 most of the communication has happened in the inner. But 811 00:39:39.920 --> 00:39:41.960 I'm going to tell you what that is just one 812 00:39:41.960 --> 00:39:45.679 thing with magic, there's there's no one path for it. 813 00:39:45.760 --> 00:39:48.559 Everybody has their own unique path. So with that, i'd 814 00:39:48.559 --> 00:39:51.360 actually like to hear from Byron what his experience with evocation, 815 00:39:51.800 --> 00:39:54.000 spirit contact and all of that is like, because he 816 00:39:54.079 --> 00:39:56.159 might have a completely different perspective. 817 00:39:56.320 --> 00:40:00.599 Let's go, well, so it's just a free too, because 818 00:40:00.599 --> 00:40:02.519 I think this is he kind of hinted at it 819 00:40:02.760 --> 00:40:05.719 before how it is a big part of your magical practice. 820 00:40:06.239 --> 00:40:09.920 But before I get into some of my stuff, I 821 00:40:09.960 --> 00:40:11.599 just want to say, you know, there's like these key 822 00:40:11.679 --> 00:40:14.840 moments in like the evolution of magic. You know, like 823 00:40:14.920 --> 00:40:16.800 Crowley was one of those, you know, he was a 824 00:40:17.119 --> 00:40:18.920 guy that kind of first brought like yoga to the 825 00:40:18.960 --> 00:40:21.280 scene and all that stuff too. A lot of people 826 00:40:21.280 --> 00:40:23.480 forget about the whole yoga thing and how important that was, 827 00:40:24.119 --> 00:40:26.320 you know. Then you know, like like Austin Osmond Spear 828 00:40:26.440 --> 00:40:29.960 coming up with sigils, which later you know was with 829 00:40:30.000 --> 00:40:33.159 the chaos. Chaos magic blew a lot off the roof 830 00:40:33.199 --> 00:40:36.280 and it came to the development of magic even the 831 00:40:36.280 --> 00:40:40.840 Satanic Bible, you know. But one of those key moments 832 00:40:40.880 --> 00:40:45.280 in the evolution of magic I think comes predominantly from 833 00:40:45.480 --> 00:40:49.599 Eric and his emphasis and constant emphasis and breakdown of evocation. 834 00:40:50.199 --> 00:40:52.119 I think that's one of those things that I think 835 00:40:52.119 --> 00:40:55.840 there's a lot of people that don't even understand how 836 00:40:55.880 --> 00:40:59.440 important that is. You know, that was at the time 837 00:41:00.039 --> 00:41:03.679 that you're emphasizing all of that, because you know, I've 838 00:41:03.719 --> 00:41:07.639 heard people say, like they've tried Golden Downto Wick nothing 839 00:41:07.719 --> 00:41:11.280 worked until they found you. And not just and not 840 00:41:11.400 --> 00:41:13.480 just little kids either, I mean like people in their 841 00:41:13.519 --> 00:41:17.320 forties and fifties. I've heard say that, and uh so, well, 842 00:41:17.519 --> 00:41:17.719 you know. 843 00:41:17.679 --> 00:41:19.320 Let me actually let me start to just interrupt you 844 00:41:19.360 --> 00:41:21.159 real quick. And one of the big things that I 845 00:41:21.159 --> 00:41:22.920 feel like I was able to bring to the scene 846 00:41:23.079 --> 00:41:28.039 with with spirit summoning was a breakdown of the elementary 847 00:41:28.079 --> 00:41:30.079 principles of evocation. And I'm not going to go through 848 00:41:30.079 --> 00:41:32.920 all of them, but I've got I've got seven elementary principles, 849 00:41:33.280 --> 00:41:35.840 you know, in investing yourself in the spirit, working with 850 00:41:35.880 --> 00:41:38.400 the usable system. I've got these these principles that it 851 00:41:38.440 --> 00:41:41.119 was like, no matter what system you're working with, these 852 00:41:41.159 --> 00:41:43.760 always appear. And so make sure you do these. And 853 00:41:43.800 --> 00:41:46.039 if you do these, you're going to have a successful evocation. 854 00:41:46.199 --> 00:41:49.320 And sure enough, that is it is most magic works 855 00:41:49.320 --> 00:41:50.920 that way. It's a science that if you plug in 856 00:41:50.960 --> 00:41:52.800 the right details, you're going to get the result. But 857 00:41:52.960 --> 00:41:53.920 turn it back to you Byron. 858 00:41:54.159 --> 00:41:57.000 Yeah, So I just I just really want to to 859 00:41:57.079 --> 00:41:58.760 kind of frame that real quick because I think it's 860 00:41:58.760 --> 00:42:01.880 really important how important evocation is. That's like one of 861 00:42:01.880 --> 00:42:04.960 the main pillars of magic. And it's always been kind 862 00:42:04.960 --> 00:42:07.079 of a mystery, you know, because you did just write 863 00:42:07.079 --> 00:42:09.159 books on it, you put out uh, you know, a 864 00:42:09.280 --> 00:42:12.840 chorus on it, and then you know, just constantly talking 865 00:42:12.840 --> 00:42:14.960 about in your live streams, in your in your video 866 00:42:15.000 --> 00:42:17.840 that I think that was super important in the evolution 867 00:42:17.920 --> 00:42:19.880 of magic. Like I said, I don't think you get 868 00:42:19.880 --> 00:42:22.800 the the props you deserve for that, I don't think. 869 00:42:22.840 --> 00:42:24.360 I think I think it went over a lot of 870 00:42:24.360 --> 00:42:27.159 people's heads how important that was. 871 00:42:27.920 --> 00:42:32.559 You can't nothing, nothing, nothing great is ever created with 872 00:42:32.639 --> 00:42:36.440 the expect of props. Like you gotta just do what 873 00:42:36.480 --> 00:42:38.639 you're doing. Some you know, some of my stuff flops. 874 00:42:38.679 --> 00:42:39.880 Some of my stuff I'm like, oh, that was a 875 00:42:39.920 --> 00:42:43.679 shitty book. But some of it sometimes sometimes you hit it, 876 00:42:43.679 --> 00:42:45.840 but you just got to keep doing the thing. Yeah, totally. 877 00:42:46.320 --> 00:42:46.960 Uh yeah. 878 00:42:47.119 --> 00:42:50.960 So so what's the question, uh, like thoughts on like 879 00:42:51.000 --> 00:42:52.039 evocation and stuff. 880 00:42:53.719 --> 00:42:56.960 What's the subjective experience for you? Like, when you're working 881 00:42:56.960 --> 00:42:59.440 with the spirit, is it you know, are you getting 882 00:42:59.440 --> 00:43:01.559 into because I get into a really deep, like almost 883 00:43:01.639 --> 00:43:06.320 internal psychedelic state with it. Yeah, yeah, exactly. 884 00:43:06.360 --> 00:43:09.199 You know, especially if I'm doing magic indoors, I try 885 00:43:09.199 --> 00:43:12.159 to do like a series of warm ups and meditations 886 00:43:12.159 --> 00:43:16.199 and stuff. You really activate everything that helps a lot. 887 00:43:16.400 --> 00:43:20.719 I find, like let's say you're warmost like a chakra meditation, uh, 888 00:43:21.599 --> 00:43:24.599 you know, and do all that. You know, I'll also 889 00:43:24.639 --> 00:43:27.079 activate the chakras in my hands and feet but also 890 00:43:27.159 --> 00:43:30.400 my eyeballs, and I really feel like, you know, when 891 00:43:30.639 --> 00:43:33.199 and when you're running a grounding courts every time you're 892 00:43:33.199 --> 00:43:35.239 breathing in, you got those energy coming from the earth 893 00:43:35.400 --> 00:43:37.840 up here, and then you know the same thing coming 894 00:43:37.880 --> 00:43:41.079 from the cosmos. And then when you have the both 895 00:43:41.079 --> 00:43:43.760 your eyeballs and your third eye also activated, it makes 896 00:43:43.760 --> 00:43:45.679 it really in your hands and feets. So it makes 897 00:43:45.679 --> 00:43:47.960 it really easy to charge the sigil and really get 898 00:43:47.960 --> 00:43:50.840 into a magical state of mind. But as far as 899 00:43:50.840 --> 00:43:53.960 like communication goes, yeah, you know, it's basically the same thing. 900 00:43:54.079 --> 00:43:57.079 Like uh, it kind of depends on the spirit because 901 00:43:57.280 --> 00:44:01.159 sometimes it's so profound where you can see everything crystal 902 00:44:01.159 --> 00:44:04.760 clear and every the back and forth is happening really 903 00:44:04.800 --> 00:44:07.519 fast and clear, you know. But other times, like I said, 904 00:44:07.960 --> 00:44:11.199 like you were saying, it's a it's an inner monologue, 905 00:44:11.239 --> 00:44:12.920 and it's usually like the first thing you hear in 906 00:44:12.960 --> 00:44:15.320 your head too, when when you're asking these questions and 907 00:44:15.320 --> 00:44:17.880 you're in this moment and stuff. You know a lot 908 00:44:17.880 --> 00:44:21.119 of beginners they might struggle with that and it might 909 00:44:21.159 --> 00:44:22.719 take him a while, you know, like they'll probably just 910 00:44:22.719 --> 00:44:25.599 get downloads as it goes on, you know. 911 00:44:26.280 --> 00:44:29.679 But to cut you guys off real quick when you 912 00:44:29.719 --> 00:44:31.960 are getting some kind of a message, is it. 913 00:44:31.920 --> 00:44:32.880 Like any at all? 914 00:44:33.119 --> 00:44:35.960 Like a longer dialogue or is it like a word 915 00:44:36.039 --> 00:44:38.519 or two? Because I feel like I've had experiences where 916 00:44:38.920 --> 00:44:42.239 I've heard some voice and it was just like one word, 917 00:44:43.159 --> 00:44:44.679 you know, and I was like, Oh, where'd that come? 918 00:44:44.760 --> 00:44:46.559 And it kind of freaked me out because it felt 919 00:44:46.599 --> 00:44:48.800 like I could actually hear it, you know, and it 920 00:44:48.920 --> 00:44:50.079 was just one singular word. 921 00:44:50.079 --> 00:44:53.719 And so I just get the thoughts on that I've. 922 00:44:53.599 --> 00:44:58.360 Got my like, my evocation of Michael here was let 923 00:44:58.400 --> 00:45:02.880 me see. Uh, let's say, do you have a message 924 00:45:02.920 --> 00:45:04.880 for me? I just open question, right, do you have 925 00:45:04.920 --> 00:45:08.280 a message for me? He says, keep going? We almost 926 00:45:08.400 --> 00:45:13.159 lost you, and shit, get got dark for a minute there, 927 00:45:13.159 --> 00:45:15.159 and she got real dark for me for a minute there, 928 00:45:15.159 --> 00:45:18.679 and so he goes, we almost lost you. Never lose hope, 929 00:45:19.239 --> 00:45:22.519 not because I am with you or some other helper 930 00:45:22.559 --> 00:45:26.039 helps you, but because you have yourself. Never lose hope. 931 00:45:26.400 --> 00:45:29.920 Keep going. So that was my message from Michael the Archangel, Right, 932 00:45:30.159 --> 00:45:31.719 I just asked to get a message for me. He's like, 933 00:45:31.800 --> 00:45:33.719 this is what And so the way that that appears 934 00:45:33.719 --> 00:45:35.840 to me is just keep going, was the first thing. 935 00:45:35.840 --> 00:45:38.599 It's just boom, I understood. It just popped in my head. 936 00:45:38.679 --> 00:45:40.239 Keep going. So I write it down, and I was 937 00:45:40.239 --> 00:45:43.079 writing this as I'm getting the message keep going. As 938 00:45:43.079 --> 00:45:45.800 soon as I've got that written down, the next thing 939 00:45:45.880 --> 00:45:47.719 just starts coming. It just starts coming, and it gets 940 00:45:47.760 --> 00:45:50.559 to the point when you get used to it. Well, 941 00:45:50.599 --> 00:45:53.519 let me back up. Byron says this can be difficult 942 00:45:53.599 --> 00:45:58.679 for beginners. The difficulty is trusting yourself, just getting yourself 943 00:45:58.679 --> 00:46:00.280 out of the way and going. You know what, I 944 00:46:00.320 --> 00:46:03.679 asked the question, this is whatever comes through, I'm just 945 00:46:03.679 --> 00:46:07.119 going to write it down and just I'll play make 946 00:46:07.199 --> 00:46:10.480 believe and I'll evaluate it later. So now with this, 947 00:46:10.480 --> 00:46:12.960 this was a really clear message, and luckily for me, 948 00:46:13.000 --> 00:46:15.039 it was in English. It's not always the case. I've 949 00:46:15.039 --> 00:46:17.880 gotten messages in Portuguese. I don't speak Portuguese. I've never 950 00:46:17.960 --> 00:46:21.079 listened to Portuguese in my life. I've gotten messages in Portuguese. 951 00:46:21.079 --> 00:46:23.840 I've had to go and translate. I've had messages appear 952 00:46:23.880 --> 00:46:27.880 to me in Aramaic that I've had to translate and 953 00:46:27.960 --> 00:46:30.639 so and with that, they're not it's not that the 954 00:46:30.679 --> 00:46:33.719 spirit doesn't speak my language. It's that they're wanting me 955 00:46:33.760 --> 00:46:35.480 to go search it out and find out Because in 956 00:46:35.519 --> 00:46:38.000 studying Aramaic, I found out out all about some of 957 00:46:38.039 --> 00:46:41.599 the first gnostics, the gnostics that exist and existed in Nabatea, 958 00:46:42.199 --> 00:46:44.480 and that that just let me down a whole rabbit hole. 959 00:46:44.519 --> 00:46:46.679 And so it's like they were waving a flag but 960 00:46:47.239 --> 00:46:49.159 kind of making me chase them down the rabbit hole. 961 00:46:49.440 --> 00:46:52.440 Like leg Byron said, they leave their fingerprints on everything, 962 00:46:52.760 --> 00:46:55.920 and so it's like once you start seeing it, it's like, oh, okay, yeah, 963 00:46:56.039 --> 00:46:57.639 just follow follow it down the rabbit hole. 964 00:46:58.199 --> 00:47:00.360 Now, how many times do you get the answer to 965 00:47:00.400 --> 00:47:03.159 the question before you even asked the question, like right 966 00:47:03.199 --> 00:47:06.280 before like a whole Probably probably all the time, huh, 967 00:47:06.280 --> 00:47:09.119 like most of the time, right a lot. That's another 968 00:47:09.119 --> 00:47:10.000 trippy thing, you know. 969 00:47:10.159 --> 00:47:11.639 Yeah, dude, that's happened to me too. 970 00:47:11.800 --> 00:47:13.800 I Mean I tell this story all the time about 971 00:47:13.880 --> 00:47:17.280 how I did like a super heroic dosage of mushrooms 972 00:47:17.320 --> 00:47:20.599 one time and the elohem came in started fucking talking 973 00:47:20.639 --> 00:47:23.760 to me, like and it wasn't like a sound from outside, 974 00:47:23.760 --> 00:47:26.199 but it was like I was hearing sounds in my 975 00:47:26.280 --> 00:47:29.079 own head that I knew one hundred percent was not me, 976 00:47:29.400 --> 00:47:31.639 like speaking in trumpet voices, and for some reason, I 977 00:47:31.719 --> 00:47:33.800 just knew that I could ask it questions, and at 978 00:47:33.800 --> 00:47:36.559 the I couldn't even finish the fucking question before the 979 00:47:36.639 --> 00:47:39.599 answer was right there, and I was so astonished about 980 00:47:39.599 --> 00:47:41.400 what the answer was that I didn't even want to 981 00:47:41.440 --> 00:47:43.440 ask my next question because I wanted to ask a 982 00:47:43.440 --> 00:47:46.039 butting question off of the answer that I had just gotten. 983 00:47:46.400 --> 00:47:46.599 You know. 984 00:47:46.679 --> 00:47:49.159 So it's like, it's it's wild, it's such a crazy 985 00:47:49.199 --> 00:47:53.760 thing that goes on. But I, you know, in that instance, 986 00:47:53.880 --> 00:47:56.800 I felt as if there was like an absolute, some 987 00:47:57.039 --> 00:48:00.440 kind of powerful communication that I was having. But then 988 00:48:00.480 --> 00:48:04.159 I have other experiences, whether I'm in deep meditation or 989 00:48:04.199 --> 00:48:07.199 something like that, where I'm really trying to essentially hollow 990 00:48:07.239 --> 00:48:12.119 out the mind and open up some space for otherworldly 991 00:48:12.519 --> 00:48:16.119 so to say, communication, And most of the time it 992 00:48:16.159 --> 00:48:20.840 almost sounds like it's like my higher self of sorts, 993 00:48:20.880 --> 00:48:23.599 if I'm not necessarily calling upon anybody, like maybe just 994 00:48:23.639 --> 00:48:24.559 a higher version of. 995 00:48:24.519 --> 00:48:25.800 Me or something like that. 996 00:48:26.199 --> 00:48:29.679 And so whenever you guys are calling upon certain, uh, 997 00:48:30.119 --> 00:48:35.079 certain beings, like are you the answers that you're receiving 998 00:48:35.119 --> 00:48:36.920 in your mind once you've hollowed it out, are you 999 00:48:37.079 --> 00:48:40.360 just understanding that that is exactly who you are communicating with? 1000 00:48:40.960 --> 00:48:44.840 Or how does that work? In your mind. So like, 1001 00:48:44.920 --> 00:48:47.039 for example, I did ah, I did a terror reading 1002 00:48:47.039 --> 00:48:49.719 the other day on myself, and I was really like 1003 00:48:50.079 --> 00:48:51.920 trying to figure something out. It was kind of like 1004 00:48:51.960 --> 00:48:54.960 a very important question that I wanted to ask. And 1005 00:48:55.239 --> 00:48:58.840 I have this, uh, this little crystal that one of 1006 00:48:58.880 --> 00:49:01.639 our one of our favorites gave to us, and it's 1007 00:49:01.679 --> 00:49:05.280 a it's a little panda. And whenever I'd gotten that, 1008 00:49:05.360 --> 00:49:07.960 I was like, instantly, I associate that with my grandmother 1009 00:49:08.000 --> 00:49:10.800 who passed away about fifteen twenty years ago, right, And 1010 00:49:10.880 --> 00:49:13.599 so specifically, whenever I had that crystal on top of 1011 00:49:13.599 --> 00:49:17.360 the tarot deck, I was specifically calling upon her right 1012 00:49:17.519 --> 00:49:20.239 and and I don't know, maybe that's that sounds wild, 1013 00:49:20.320 --> 00:49:21.800 but I was like, I'm just gonna trust it and 1014 00:49:21.880 --> 00:49:24.800 whatever reading that I get, I am going to have 1015 00:49:24.840 --> 00:49:27.440 faith that this is the message that she is giving me. 1016 00:49:27.800 --> 00:49:30.920 Nobody else, nothing else, It is only her right. And 1017 00:49:30.960 --> 00:49:34.920 whenever I got that message, bang, it was exactly like, dude, 1018 00:49:34.920 --> 00:49:36.599 it was so crazy because it was like a three 1019 00:49:36.639 --> 00:49:39.599 card draw that I did, and it was it was 1020 00:49:39.639 --> 00:49:43.079 almost exactly how she would say. It was the message 1021 00:49:43.079 --> 00:49:45.960 that I got, And I was like, man, it just 1022 00:49:46.079 --> 00:49:48.840 it never seems to amaze me. It never seems to 1023 00:49:49.000 --> 00:49:52.679 not amaze me. Rather, and it's like, so basically my 1024 00:49:52.760 --> 00:49:56.400 question is is that whenever you're calling upon said energy, 1025 00:49:56.960 --> 00:49:59.360 is that are you just assuming that whatever voice pops 1026 00:49:59.360 --> 00:50:01.719 into your head that that's exactly where that information is 1027 00:50:01.760 --> 00:50:03.760 coming from. 1028 00:50:03.760 --> 00:50:08.039 That's a great question because because not always you know that, 1029 00:50:08.199 --> 00:50:13.639 not always there is a so you do have to 1030 00:50:13.679 --> 00:50:16.119 develop a bit of a familiarity. You know, the first 1031 00:50:16.119 --> 00:50:21.480 time you you encountered a spirit, you know, it's like 1032 00:50:21.880 --> 00:50:24.400 somehow a lot of us get lucky that the first 1033 00:50:24.400 --> 00:50:26.599 time we call King Pimon, he's the one that actually 1034 00:50:26.679 --> 00:50:28.199 shows up and it's like hey, you know, and it 1035 00:50:28.199 --> 00:50:31.840 starts working with you because other things, impostors could show up. 1036 00:50:32.039 --> 00:50:34.480 And that's that. That is why I say that ask 1037 00:50:34.559 --> 00:50:36.519 the ask the spirit's name. If you're not sure who 1038 00:50:36.519 --> 00:50:39.280 it is, just take that extra step of going you're welcome, 1039 00:50:39.400 --> 00:50:42.079 welcome to my temple, thank you for coming. What's your name? 1040 00:50:42.519 --> 00:50:47.000 And a spirit like, for instance, is He's not just 1041 00:50:47.000 --> 00:50:49.119 going to say is Azel. He's usually going to follow 1042 00:50:49.119 --> 00:50:50.880 it up by, you know, I am as a lord 1043 00:50:50.920 --> 00:50:53.039 of Saturn and that kind of rags about himself for 1044 00:50:53.039 --> 00:50:55.320 a minute. That's that that. That's usually what the spirits 1045 00:50:55.320 --> 00:50:57.119 will do is they'll they'll name maybe a couple of 1046 00:50:57.119 --> 00:51:00.960 their epithets, or they'll just tell you their name. Tricks. 1047 00:51:00.960 --> 00:51:02.880 Your spirits will try and try to get out of 1048 00:51:02.880 --> 00:51:05.719 the question, and then you can do another further test 1049 00:51:05.719 --> 00:51:07.760 of having them sign their name. And so you pass 1050 00:51:07.840 --> 00:51:09.920 them a notebook and what they'll do is they'll just 1051 00:51:10.000 --> 00:51:11.920 kind of usually wave their hand over it, and then 1052 00:51:11.960 --> 00:51:13.760 you look at it with your psychic vision and you 1053 00:51:13.800 --> 00:51:16.880 can see the imprint. It's like you look at the 1054 00:51:16.880 --> 00:51:18.920 page and it looks like it's glowing, like a little 1055 00:51:18.960 --> 00:51:24.119 glowing wherever they signed it. And they can and there's 1056 00:51:24.159 --> 00:51:26.480 like supposedly a rule, you know, a spirit can't sign 1057 00:51:26.519 --> 00:51:28.800 a name other than their own. I don't know how, 1058 00:51:29.239 --> 00:51:31.480 I don't know how secure that is, but whatever seems 1059 00:51:31.519 --> 00:51:34.679 to it seems to work enough. But so there are 1060 00:51:34.679 --> 00:51:36.679 things like that that you can do, but it is 1061 00:51:37.400 --> 00:51:40.679 largely going to be a matter of familiarity. If your 1062 00:51:40.679 --> 00:51:42.800 grandma comes up and gives you a hug from behind, 1063 00:51:42.840 --> 00:51:44.880 you you can feel that your grandma and not the 1064 00:51:44.880 --> 00:51:46.840 guy that you owe money to. You know that that 1065 00:51:46.880 --> 00:51:49.679 you can feel the essence of that person and So 1066 00:51:50.480 --> 00:51:54.000 this comes back to to to the conversation about omens too. 1067 00:51:55.280 --> 00:51:58.639 What's important. It's not that the fire happened in Vegas 1068 00:51:58.679 --> 00:52:01.800 and the billboard said this thing. It's the fact that 1069 00:52:01.840 --> 00:52:03.719 I noticed it at that exact time and it meant 1070 00:52:03.760 --> 00:52:06.360 something to me that I took it in and I said, oooh, 1071 00:52:06.360 --> 00:52:09.719 that's significant. That's the only thing that's really important. And 1072 00:52:10.039 --> 00:52:12.840 because there are a million things that I'm ignoring while 1073 00:52:12.920 --> 00:52:18.119 that one thing stands out to me. And so similarly, 1074 00:52:18.480 --> 00:52:21.159 as you're doing the reading, you're like, I'll do all 1075 00:52:21.400 --> 00:52:22.760 I do readings a lot for my daughter. I do 1076 00:52:22.840 --> 00:52:25.440 readings for like clients and stuff. My daughter is a fiend. 1077 00:52:25.559 --> 00:52:27.360 She comes to me all the time with everything she's 1078 00:52:27.360 --> 00:52:30.159 got dad. And she's like twenty years old at this point, 1079 00:52:30.239 --> 00:52:31.960 so she's got all kinds of stuff going on in 1080 00:52:32.000 --> 00:52:34.119 her life she needs help with. I'm happy to guide her. 1081 00:52:35.000 --> 00:52:37.840 But with that a lot of times I'll throw down 1082 00:52:37.880 --> 00:52:40.039 the cards and I'll look at them and go, dude, 1083 00:52:40.039 --> 00:52:41.960 there's nothing there. You got to reshuffle. I don't know, 1084 00:52:42.159 --> 00:52:44.519 maybe you weren't thinking about it, maybe, but I'll look 1085 00:52:44.559 --> 00:52:46.960 at the cards and I can just feel confusion, and 1086 00:52:47.000 --> 00:52:50.079 I'm like, you gotta hit that again and so you 1087 00:52:50.119 --> 00:52:53.679 so with that that feeling of discernment, I think that 1088 00:52:53.679 --> 00:52:56.239 that takes precedence over all things. You can you know, 1089 00:52:56.320 --> 00:52:58.119 you can feel if somebody is lying to you, and 1090 00:52:58.159 --> 00:52:59.840 you can feel if they're being honest to you. You 1091 00:53:00.079 --> 00:53:01.920 got to use that same discernment. This is you know, 1092 00:53:02.280 --> 00:53:05.400 biblical the discernment of spirits. This is this is a 1093 00:53:05.440 --> 00:53:07.440 gift that I think is embedded into us to be 1094 00:53:07.440 --> 00:53:09.840 able to you know, to be able to tell that. 1095 00:53:10.039 --> 00:53:13.679 So what about you? What do you what? What gifts? 1096 00:53:13.719 --> 00:53:15.679 What what discernments do you use? And how do you 1097 00:53:15.679 --> 00:53:17.000 know if you're talking to the real guy? 1098 00:53:18.320 --> 00:53:21.280 Yeah, So going back to that that first advocation question, 1099 00:53:21.320 --> 00:53:23.719 I guess the first sensation if feel like like as 1100 00:53:23.719 --> 00:53:26.519 the spirit approaches and stuff, it's like a drop and pressure, 1101 00:53:27.079 --> 00:53:28.920 you know, like like I'll feel that right away. But 1102 00:53:28.960 --> 00:53:31.559 I get this kind of like a feeling in my ears, 1103 00:53:31.960 --> 00:53:34.880 uh where it's almost like the sound changes, almost feels 1104 00:53:34.880 --> 00:53:37.199 like I'm in like a vacuum chamber or something, you know. 1105 00:53:38.000 --> 00:53:42.079 Uh but uh but yeah, so what discernment? 1106 00:53:43.559 --> 00:53:43.760 You know? 1107 00:53:45.639 --> 00:53:48.000 I feel like that's something you know, like you know, 1108 00:53:48.280 --> 00:53:53.039 a pisces. Where did that echo come from, all right, 1109 00:53:53.119 --> 00:53:55.239 But that's something like a Pisces will pick up on 1110 00:53:55.400 --> 00:53:59.000 really quick. Because every Pisces, I know, you know, had 1111 00:53:59.000 --> 00:54:02.320 that ability at a young age, you know. But you know, 1112 00:54:02.360 --> 00:54:03.880 but you know, like a lot of Pisces though they 1113 00:54:03.920 --> 00:54:07.840 can they can be hypochondriacs, you know, like, uh, you know, 1114 00:54:08.159 --> 00:54:08.800 she's not. 1115 00:54:08.760 --> 00:54:09.400 Like that anymore. 1116 00:54:09.440 --> 00:54:13.360 But you know, my my woman's a pisc So but 1117 00:54:13.480 --> 00:54:19.880 for discernment, man, you know that that's a tricky thing. Uh. 1118 00:54:20.360 --> 00:54:21.159 I think some of it. 1119 00:54:21.159 --> 00:54:23.159 It depends on the person because some people are just 1120 00:54:23.239 --> 00:54:24.920 naturally good at it. 1121 00:54:25.000 --> 00:54:25.360 Uh. 1122 00:54:25.920 --> 00:54:30.000 For for me, it took a while of like learning 1123 00:54:30.039 --> 00:54:32.079 how to tell people are lying is a big one, 1124 00:54:32.800 --> 00:54:36.440 you know. And even and this is where I think 1125 00:54:36.480 --> 00:54:39.639 like sometimes like the occult and conspiracies mesh really well 1126 00:54:39.840 --> 00:54:41.800 because it's the same kind of muscle when you can 1127 00:54:41.920 --> 00:54:44.360 like look at the news and know that it's a 1128 00:54:44.400 --> 00:54:46.960 flat out lie, you know. So I think that same 1129 00:54:47.039 --> 00:54:49.599 muscle applies to the occults. I think, you know, some 1130 00:54:49.679 --> 00:54:50.320 of that stuff. 1131 00:54:50.519 --> 00:54:50.679 Uh. 1132 00:54:51.760 --> 00:54:55.239 One thing that helped me a lot with doing it 1133 00:54:55.320 --> 00:54:57.880 quicker and picking up on that stuff, I think was 1134 00:54:58.920 --> 00:55:01.239 the emotion code and muscle testing. 1135 00:55:01.760 --> 00:55:01.960 You know. 1136 00:55:02.679 --> 00:55:05.840 But but for a long time. For a long time, though, 1137 00:55:06.960 --> 00:55:09.480 you know, you have this logical part of your brain 1138 00:55:09.519 --> 00:55:10.639 that wants to second guess it. 1139 00:55:10.800 --> 00:55:10.960 You know. 1140 00:55:11.039 --> 00:55:12.559 It's it's one of those things where it's like the 1141 00:55:12.679 --> 00:55:15.679 first voice is almost always right, but that second doubting 1142 00:55:15.760 --> 00:55:18.000 voice is almost always wrong, you know, So you gotta 1143 00:55:18.599 --> 00:55:21.559 just kind of once you pick up on that. But 1144 00:55:22.000 --> 00:55:25.239 as far as spirits go with the tricksters and stuff, 1145 00:55:25.440 --> 00:55:29.880 you know, I don't know. I think that's that's something 1146 00:55:30.000 --> 00:55:33.719 like beginners would have to deal with more than anyone else, 1147 00:55:33.719 --> 00:55:37.360 because you know, there's a saying, you know, you can 1148 00:55:37.400 --> 00:55:41.159 have cats or you can have pets, you know. So 1149 00:55:41.519 --> 00:55:44.880 so I think once you establish like a relationship with 1150 00:55:45.039 --> 00:55:50.320 a few spirits and you're working with them, I think 1151 00:55:50.360 --> 00:55:51.960 a lot of that is just going to kind of 1152 00:55:51.960 --> 00:55:52.880 rectify itself. 1153 00:55:53.000 --> 00:55:55.559 So just kind of like relying on your intuition a 1154 00:55:55.559 --> 00:55:59.000 bit and understanding that, like, you know, especially after a while, 1155 00:55:59.039 --> 00:56:02.039 you know, season vets, like y'all, it's it's probably just 1156 00:56:02.159 --> 00:56:04.400 second nature that you know, if you're being fucked with, 1157 00:56:04.480 --> 00:56:07.599 you know, if you're being told the truth kind of thing, well. 1158 00:56:07.519 --> 00:56:09.000 Yeah, let me let me actually let me go a 1159 00:56:09.039 --> 00:56:11.400 little to maybe a different area of this too is 1160 00:56:11.840 --> 00:56:13.760 it's not all on us. And what I mean by 1161 00:56:13.760 --> 00:56:19.440 that is my first evocation of is Azel. So Azel 1162 00:56:19.599 --> 00:56:22.320 is known as the Scapegoat and he was one of 1163 00:56:22.360 --> 00:56:25.039 the fallen angels that came here and taught men sorcery 1164 00:56:25.119 --> 00:56:28.360 and warfare and all the cool stuff in life. And 1165 00:56:28.400 --> 00:56:32.079 he so so I do my evocation of him, but 1166 00:56:32.159 --> 00:56:34.280 I've I've just out of nowhere. I was like, you know, 1167 00:56:35.760 --> 00:56:37.280 I'm going to try the spirit. I've heard his name 1168 00:56:37.280 --> 00:56:38.960 a few times and I'll just I'll just reach out 1169 00:56:38.960 --> 00:56:40.199 to him and see if he can help me with 1170 00:56:40.239 --> 00:56:43.079 a book release I was doing at the time. And 1171 00:56:43.079 --> 00:56:48.039 and so I uh, I called him and I said 1172 00:56:48.079 --> 00:56:51.119 thank you for coming so quickly when I called you. 1173 00:56:51.920 --> 00:56:54.199 And he said, no, thank you for coming so quickly 1174 00:56:54.199 --> 00:56:56.719 when I called you. And I was like, what do 1175 00:56:56.719 --> 00:56:59.400 you what do you mean? I uh, I did a 1176 00:56:59.440 --> 00:57:01.519 whole and I I broke it down for him. I'm like, 1177 00:57:02.039 --> 00:57:06.000 I did a whole evocation that I created so I 1178 00:57:06.000 --> 00:57:08.840 could call you. And he goes, and you did that 1179 00:57:09.000 --> 00:57:11.039 because I was telling you to do that, because I 1180 00:57:11.079 --> 00:57:14.280 needed to talk to you. And I was like, oh, dang, okay, 1181 00:57:14.440 --> 00:57:16.599 that that that flips the whole thing over on its head. 1182 00:57:16.679 --> 00:57:20.840 Then is if if you if, if you're being pulled 1183 00:57:20.880 --> 00:57:23.760 to call a specific spirit. It's not like you've got 1184 00:57:23.800 --> 00:57:26.119 to weed through all the all the spirits are out there. No, 1185 00:57:26.239 --> 00:57:29.199 it's already standing right next to you. And so here's 1186 00:57:29.239 --> 00:57:30.840 what I'm actually going to say, is, if you start 1187 00:57:30.840 --> 00:57:33.400 getting that inkling of I want to call I want 1188 00:57:33.400 --> 00:57:35.960 to call us spirit, I want to call this specific spirit, 1189 00:57:37.239 --> 00:57:39.519 just run it around in your mind. What would a 1190 00:57:39.599 --> 00:57:42.639 ritual for this spirit look like? What kind of what 1191 00:57:42.719 --> 00:57:44.400 kind of ritual would it want? Would it want a 1192 00:57:44.400 --> 00:57:48.079 bunch of candles? What color are candles? Let yourself, because 1193 00:57:48.079 --> 00:57:50.440 what's happening As you're asking yourself these questions you don't 1194 00:57:50.440 --> 00:57:52.480 know the answers. The spirit's going to start filling in 1195 00:57:52.480 --> 00:57:54.800 the blanks for you. And so you're going to start, 1196 00:57:54.840 --> 00:57:56.599 you know, just as you as you start to ponder 1197 00:57:56.639 --> 00:57:59.159 about it, you're going to start having the entire ritual 1198 00:57:59.199 --> 00:58:01.960 that's just designed for you. You know exactly what to do. 1199 00:58:02.320 --> 00:58:05.239 Sometimes a lot of times, actually people will start getting 1200 00:58:05.320 --> 00:58:07.199 visions of the place they need to do with They're like, Oh, 1201 00:58:07.199 --> 00:58:09.639 there's a spot in the woods I forgot all about 1202 00:58:09.719 --> 00:58:11.119 and now I'm gonna go there and set up this 1203 00:58:11.239 --> 00:58:13.760 ritual because they're being guided buy it. So so the 1204 00:58:13.800 --> 00:58:17.079 spirit's already guiding you. It's not it's not that there's 1205 00:58:17.119 --> 00:58:19.880 not a huge amount of effort actually in calling it. 1206 00:58:19.880 --> 00:58:23.440 It's already there. The biggest effort is in relaxing, dropping 1207 00:58:23.440 --> 00:58:25.199 your own walls and letting it happen. 1208 00:58:25.679 --> 00:58:27.920 Oh my great, dude, dude. 1209 00:58:27.920 --> 00:58:30.000 The way that you've covered some of this tonight has 1210 00:58:30.079 --> 00:58:33.079 just been so like it's exciting, you know what I mean. 1211 00:58:33.119 --> 00:58:36.280 It's like you're pulling us into your into your realm, dude, 1212 00:58:36.280 --> 00:58:39.480 and it's just exciting. I wanted to ask one question though, 1213 00:58:39.480 --> 00:58:44.280 because he did mention the trickster spirits, if you can, like, 1214 00:58:44.400 --> 00:58:48.719 what is your understanding of the trickster spirits? Why are 1215 00:58:48.760 --> 00:58:49.880 there trickster spirits? 1216 00:58:49.880 --> 00:58:50.360 What is there? 1217 00:58:50.400 --> 00:58:53.480 Obviously they want a trick us, but like why what? 1218 00:58:53.480 --> 00:58:54.360 What's going on with that? 1219 00:58:54.920 --> 00:58:58.719 But what most of them are low level vampires? Yeah, 1220 00:58:58.719 --> 00:59:00.719 I missay. I'm gonna say most from the low level 1221 00:59:00.800 --> 00:59:05.760 vampires that their little spirits and you know why they exist? Man, 1222 00:59:06.039 --> 00:59:08.760 that's uh. There's a million things in this will win 1223 00:59:08.840 --> 00:59:11.599 this reality that exists, and I'm not sure why they exist. 1224 00:59:11.679 --> 00:59:17.440 But as far as they're concerned, they're trying to get attention. There. Okay, 1225 00:59:17.440 --> 00:59:20.800 so let me back up. There's a guy, Mark Passio 1226 00:59:20.960 --> 00:59:22.519 that if you haven't checked out, you've got to check 1227 00:59:22.559 --> 00:59:25.039 him out. He is. He's done a lot of really 1228 00:59:25.039 --> 00:59:28.480 cool things and understanding the occult symbolism that's everywhere in 1229 00:59:28.480 --> 00:59:32.880 the world around us. And he introduced me to this concept. 1230 00:59:32.960 --> 00:59:36.880 There are only two. There are two currencies that are universal. 1231 00:59:37.119 --> 00:59:40.039 Every spirit will accept these currencies. And in fact, if 1232 00:59:40.039 --> 00:59:42.280 you use these currencies in your life and your business 1233 00:59:42.320 --> 00:59:45.079 and whatever, they do pay off. And that's your time 1234 00:59:45.159 --> 00:59:48.039 and your attention. Everything is trying to get your time 1235 00:59:48.159 --> 00:59:51.320 and your attention. And so that's the offering you can 1236 00:59:51.360 --> 00:59:53.559 give any spirit or anything that you want to increase 1237 00:59:53.559 --> 00:59:56.800 in your life. If something's not working out well, if 1238 00:59:56.800 --> 00:59:59.159 somebody is treating you like shit, give them less of 1239 00:59:59.159 --> 01:00:01.239 your time and attention. You see how they just go away. 1240 01:00:01.559 --> 01:00:03.239 The things that you want to enhance in your life, 1241 01:00:03.280 --> 01:00:05.599 give it more of your time and attention, they just flourish, 1242 01:00:06.079 --> 01:00:09.199 And including the bad things. Something bad's going on, if 1243 01:00:09.199 --> 01:00:10.480 you give it a bunch of your time and attention, 1244 01:00:10.519 --> 01:00:13.760 it gets worse and worse, worse, And so this is 1245 01:00:13.840 --> 01:00:18.440 these are universal currencies, and so these tricks are spirits 1246 01:00:19.519 --> 01:00:21.559 are coming through trying to get some attention, just trying 1247 01:00:21.599 --> 01:00:23.320 to get and and the way I visualize and they're 1248 01:00:23.320 --> 01:00:27.719 not like full bodied spirits, it's almost like a floating 1249 01:00:27.880 --> 01:00:31.599 sperm floating around or it looks like it actually to me, 1250 01:00:31.760 --> 01:00:36.159 looks a lot like on the movie ghost the little 1251 01:00:36.159 --> 01:00:38.159 black things that pull people to hell. I don't know 1252 01:00:38.159 --> 01:00:40.159 if you saw the movie Ghosts with Patrick Swayzey, but 1253 01:00:40.519 --> 01:00:42.400 it looks like that's just like these black shadows that 1254 01:00:42.480 --> 01:00:48.079 are just kind of lingering around like a race and yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly, 1255 01:00:48.119 --> 01:00:49.960 like a like a little like a like a not 1256 01:00:50.119 --> 01:00:53.719 very well formed raith. Yeah. And and what they're trying 1257 01:00:53.760 --> 01:00:55.840 to do is they're trying to get your energy. Now 1258 01:00:57.119 --> 01:00:59.880 the way that they can you can you can see 1259 01:00:59.880 --> 01:01:02.760 it progression here at first. So what they're trying to 1260 01:01:02.760 --> 01:01:04.679 do is they're trying to get whatever attention. They're trying 1261 01:01:04.679 --> 01:01:06.559 to get your they're trying to vamporize your time and 1262 01:01:06.599 --> 01:01:09.239 attention to get your energy. And so first they'll just 1263 01:01:09.239 --> 01:01:11.760 start moving things around and and and you know, opening 1264 01:01:11.880 --> 01:01:15.280 covered dovers and turning on and off television sets. But 1265 01:01:16.199 --> 01:01:19.159 something really dangerous happens if there's anybody in the house 1266 01:01:19.199 --> 01:01:22.159 that gets afraid of them. If anybody gets afraid, Why 1267 01:01:22.239 --> 01:01:24.760 that's dangerous is that's a ton of energy you just 1268 01:01:24.840 --> 01:01:27.480 dumped down all over that spirit and then it starts 1269 01:01:27.559 --> 01:01:29.480 learning something. It's like, oh, wait a minute, because these 1270 01:01:29.480 --> 01:01:32.760 are actually really they're not they're not intelligent at all. 1271 01:01:32.840 --> 01:01:36.239 They're really operating on a prime primitive like animalistic type 1272 01:01:36.239 --> 01:01:39.599 of instinct. So they're looking at that going, oh, I 1273 01:01:39.639 --> 01:01:42.079 got to get any more of that. That was good energy. 1274 01:01:42.159 --> 01:01:44.119 Let me see what I can do to enhance the fear. 1275 01:01:44.440 --> 01:01:46.599 And so they then they start causing nightmares and they 1276 01:01:46.599 --> 01:01:49.400 start causing you know, sometimes the full on attacking people 1277 01:01:49.599 --> 01:01:52.639 to try to get that fear response. So this is 1278 01:01:52.639 --> 01:01:55.119 why when people say that they've you know, they're like, oh, 1279 01:01:55.159 --> 01:01:56.840 all I need to do is call the name of 1280 01:01:56.920 --> 01:01:59.119 Jesus is It doesn't matter the name of Jesus. You 1281 01:01:59.159 --> 01:02:01.599 could be talking about rice krispies. As long as you're 1282 01:02:01.599 --> 01:02:05.440 doing in an authentically competent voice, you are centered in 1283 01:02:05.480 --> 01:02:08.199 yourself and you're not afraid. That's the ticket, right there, 1284 01:02:08.280 --> 01:02:11.199 is to counteract the fear by whatever else you can 1285 01:02:11.679 --> 01:02:13.679 and push it out. But you've also got to be 1286 01:02:13.679 --> 01:02:17.760 careful of not feeding them anger or jealousy if you've 1287 01:02:17.800 --> 01:02:20.840 got these kinds of things happening. So one of the 1288 01:02:20.960 --> 01:02:24.039 things that I started noticing is I've just called it 1289 01:02:24.039 --> 01:02:27.519 the spirit of contention. If you start arguing in the house, 1290 01:02:28.559 --> 01:02:31.679 you kind of notice like a snowball, other people start arguing, 1291 01:02:31.800 --> 01:02:34.960 The cats start fighting with each other, and it creates 1292 01:02:34.960 --> 01:02:38.119 this momentum. You've got to do a full banishing. Get 1293 01:02:38.159 --> 01:02:40.519 some sage out by and banish it out. Open the 1294 01:02:40.559 --> 01:02:43.519 windows and let some fresh air in, or you know, 1295 01:02:43.760 --> 01:02:45.840 say a prayer. Whatever it is that your system is 1296 01:02:45.880 --> 01:02:48.079 to banish that negative energy, but treat it like an 1297 01:02:48.119 --> 01:02:50.880 infesting spirit because it is, and it's going to start 1298 01:02:50.880 --> 01:02:53.320 tormenting you. Because you got to look at this as 1299 01:02:53.360 --> 01:02:56.719 an energy play. Everything's trying to get energy. I'm trying 1300 01:02:56.719 --> 01:02:58.320 to get energy, and I love the energy I get 1301 01:02:58.320 --> 01:03:00.000 off of coming on shows like this and talking to 1302 01:03:00.079 --> 01:03:02.800 cool people and whatever. These little nasty things get their 1303 01:03:02.880 --> 01:03:06.280 energy from low sources, low sources, and so they're going 1304 01:03:06.320 --> 01:03:08.920 to try to stimulate it whatever through arguments and things 1305 01:03:08.960 --> 01:03:13.039 like that. And yeah, again, just without fear cast them 1306 01:03:13.079 --> 01:03:16.320 out with full confidence. We do have we do have 1307 01:03:16.360 --> 01:03:21.880 an ability to set sacred space. That's like a spiritual 1308 01:03:21.960 --> 01:03:25.119 thing that was given to us. And and you know, 1309 01:03:25.840 --> 01:03:27.719 go back to the Bible. We're made in the image 1310 01:03:27.760 --> 01:03:29.920 of God. I take that very literally, that we are 1311 01:03:29.960 --> 01:03:32.199 actually we are living God. We are made in the 1312 01:03:32.320 --> 01:03:34.960 in the likeness and with all of the power of 1313 01:03:35.000 --> 01:03:38.199 our creator. And our existence is a matter of trying 1314 01:03:38.239 --> 01:03:40.719 to unlock all of it and and remember it because 1315 01:03:40.760 --> 01:03:45.679 we've forgotten. But with that, God, the Almighty Creator, has 1316 01:03:45.679 --> 01:03:49.199 the ability to create boundaries and go, this is the universe, 1317 01:03:49.400 --> 01:03:52.480 here's your solar system, and creates boundaries within which things 1318 01:03:52.519 --> 01:03:54.920 can happen. And this is why you create the circle 1319 01:03:54.960 --> 01:03:58.079 in the magical space. You are acting as God creating 1320 01:03:58.159 --> 01:04:02.000 a boundary. And and so this isn't even just in Christianity. 1321 01:04:02.079 --> 01:04:04.360 Let's look at it from the Norse mythology. Same thing 1322 01:04:04.360 --> 01:04:06.559 the gods did. As soon as they killed the first 1323 01:04:06.559 --> 01:04:09.280 giant Emr. They pulled his flesh down, they pulled down 1324 01:04:09.320 --> 01:04:11.960 his eyebrows, and they put a boundary around mid guard 1325 01:04:12.079 --> 01:04:15.760 and around their own asgard. So they're like, we're gonna 1326 01:04:15.800 --> 01:04:17.159 we got to be protected. We got to have a 1327 01:04:17.199 --> 01:04:19.719 sacred space. So that is something you can create, that 1328 01:04:19.760 --> 01:04:22.840 sacred space around your home. Drawing a circle around your 1329 01:04:22.880 --> 01:04:26.000 home is actually a really good idea, you know, even 1330 01:04:26.000 --> 01:04:30.800 if you're not under attack. That's we're living in a 1331 01:04:30.960 --> 01:04:34.440 war where there's a warfare going on everywhere around us. 1332 01:04:34.480 --> 01:04:36.760 There are symbols being blasted at us, there are people 1333 01:04:36.840 --> 01:04:41.000 using technology against us, there are mass manipulation campaigns going on. 1334 01:04:41.559 --> 01:04:43.559 You got to you got to be able to come 1335 01:04:43.559 --> 01:04:46.280 into your house and have that be your sacred space. 1336 01:04:46.360 --> 01:04:49.239 And so absolutely go around your property with a bag 1337 01:04:49.280 --> 01:04:51.480 of sault and just draw a salt circle around your 1338 01:04:51.480 --> 01:04:54.360 property and you know whatever, your neighbors will think you're weird, 1339 01:04:54.400 --> 01:04:55.840 but you'll be safe. 1340 01:04:56.599 --> 01:04:57.480 Dude. All right. 1341 01:04:57.559 --> 01:05:01.119 So I've been stewing on asking you this question because 1342 01:05:01.159 --> 01:05:02.760 you had mentioned it earlier, and I was like, oh 1343 01:05:02.800 --> 01:05:04.559 my god, I feel like you just unlocked something in 1344 01:05:04.559 --> 01:05:06.679 my own mind. And then you kind of just touched 1345 01:05:06.719 --> 01:05:09.639 on it again a little bit there, talking about made 1346 01:05:09.679 --> 01:05:11.400 in the in the image of God, made in the 1347 01:05:11.519 --> 01:05:14.280 likeness of God, and stuff like that. Essentially, you know, 1348 01:05:14.880 --> 01:05:20.760 little pieces of God, you know, like a dropping the ocean, 1349 01:05:20.800 --> 01:05:23.000 ocean ocean and a drop kind of thing whatever you 1350 01:05:23.039 --> 01:05:25.519 want to call it, but it's uh. You know, you 1351 01:05:25.559 --> 01:05:27.800 had mentioned earlier about how you were like one of 1352 01:05:27.840 --> 01:05:32.519 your first invocations or evocations, you you had the spirit 1353 01:05:32.599 --> 01:05:36.280 come on, what the hell was his name, King Paimon, right, 1354 01:05:36.840 --> 01:05:39.679 and you had mentioned about like, all right, well you 1355 01:05:39.760 --> 01:05:41.880 knew that he was there, but then you started saying, like, 1356 01:05:42.280 --> 01:05:45.599 you know, yode Vave or whatever, calling on essentially like 1357 01:05:45.639 --> 01:05:48.840 the name of God. And that's in that instance are 1358 01:05:48.920 --> 01:05:54.400 you are you almost like embodying the highest version of 1359 01:05:54.519 --> 01:05:57.320 God at that point to be able to command this spirit. 1360 01:05:58.320 --> 01:06:01.679 Indeed, indeed for as far as like walking as the 1361 01:06:01.679 --> 01:06:05.679 God and embodying them. So here's dude, you just yeah, one, 1362 01:06:06.119 --> 01:06:08.679 you just open the box that makes this whole thing happen. 1363 01:06:09.079 --> 01:06:12.400 Let's go the guy that me the person that takes 1364 01:06:12.519 --> 01:06:14.480 out the trash and washes the dishes. I can't make 1365 01:06:14.519 --> 01:06:16.880 miracles happen, right, I'm a monkey. I'm a monkey that's 1366 01:06:16.880 --> 01:06:19.679 figuring this shit out. And so what's actually happened. What 1367 01:06:19.760 --> 01:06:21.639 you need to do is one of the first aspects 1368 01:06:21.679 --> 01:06:25.800 of any ritual is turn it over. You know, you 1369 01:06:25.800 --> 01:06:28.239 you become a vessel for the higher thing that you 1370 01:06:28.239 --> 01:06:31.679 want to call into yourself. So so I work quite 1371 01:06:31.679 --> 01:06:34.880 a bit with the principle of yad hey evolve, which 1372 01:06:35.039 --> 01:06:38.639 that's not Jehovah. Jehovah is this fake god that was 1373 01:06:38.719 --> 01:06:41.159 created and from this principle. But I'm talking about a 1374 01:06:41.239 --> 01:06:45.639 principle of pure light and pure creation and nothing but 1375 01:06:45.719 --> 01:06:48.280 good involved in that, and I want you pull that 1376 01:06:48.360 --> 01:06:50.719 into me as much as I can until I'm glowing 1377 01:06:50.800 --> 01:06:54.079 with that. And so when I'm speaking the words, because 1378 01:06:54.119 --> 01:06:55.840 because yeah, it was a challenge that he gave me, 1379 01:06:55.920 --> 01:07:00.559 who are you to call me right now? The first 1380 01:07:00.599 --> 01:07:03.000 instinct I had is, you know, run away, I'm nobody, 1381 01:07:03.440 --> 01:07:06.039 And that's actually good. You are nobody. We're nobody's. That's 1382 01:07:06.079 --> 01:07:09.639 the exactly way, because it's not me that's doing this. No, 1383 01:07:09.840 --> 01:07:11.840 it is the highest of the high. It is the 1384 01:07:11.920 --> 01:07:15.239 Almighty himself speaking through me. And to be honest, as 1385 01:07:15.239 --> 01:07:18.079 you're saying this, you got to get into a bit 1386 01:07:18.079 --> 01:07:20.960 of a crazy land because you know, saying these things 1387 01:07:21.880 --> 01:07:24.760 in public conversation with people, it sounds silly and sounds 1388 01:07:25.159 --> 01:07:27.519 but when you're actually you know, doing it in your 1389 01:07:27.519 --> 01:07:30.559 own ritual, you are fully commanding it, and there's no 1390 01:07:30.639 --> 01:07:34.639 doubt about it. In ceremonial magic, they call this assumption 1391 01:07:34.719 --> 01:07:37.079 of God form, so that you actually choose which God 1392 01:07:37.119 --> 01:07:40.840 you want to inhabit. Find out if do they in 1393 01:07:40.920 --> 01:07:43.119 all of their depictions that they're always sitting down? Are 1394 01:07:43.159 --> 01:07:45.639 they standing up? You do exactly what they do. Are 1395 01:07:45.639 --> 01:07:47.599 they holding their hand in a specific way? You hold 1396 01:07:47.639 --> 01:07:49.760 your hand in that way, and then you sit there 1397 01:07:49.840 --> 01:07:52.159 and become them and let them come out and start 1398 01:07:52.239 --> 01:07:55.199 moving through you. And so it is. It's like possession. 1399 01:07:55.280 --> 01:07:57.199 But when we think of possession, we think a small 1400 01:07:57.280 --> 01:08:01.199 version of possession, of like some little wandering popping into you. 1401 01:08:01.239 --> 01:08:05.119 But this is possession by by the highest forces. And 1402 01:08:05.239 --> 01:08:08.239 so yeah, yeah, absolutely, So that sounds a lot like 1403 01:08:09.719 --> 01:08:12.480 it's sorry. Then it's through that that that that the 1404 01:08:12.519 --> 01:08:14.719 whole thing happens. It's actually you're getting out of your 1405 01:08:14.719 --> 01:08:18.520 way and letting the light of the Creator or the 1406 01:08:18.640 --> 01:08:21.279 Source or whatever you want to say, that's just moving 1407 01:08:21.359 --> 01:08:24.119 through you and making that stuff happen. And and with 1408 01:08:24.199 --> 01:08:26.920 that the things that you speak. That's the voice of God. 1409 01:08:26.960 --> 01:08:29.560 That is the commandment of the Almighty upon the world. 1410 01:08:30.000 --> 01:08:32.600 But you've got to honor that by not getting your 1411 01:08:32.600 --> 01:08:34.720 own bullshit in the way. And so if you feel 1412 01:08:34.720 --> 01:08:37.239 like like, if that comes through you and you're like, 1413 01:08:37.239 --> 01:08:39.239 you know what, Azazel, you are not going to be 1414 01:08:39.319 --> 01:08:41.960 summoned tonight, good night. I'm shutting this thing down. You've 1415 01:08:41.960 --> 01:08:44.119 got to honor that. You can't you can't push against it. 1416 01:08:44.159 --> 01:08:46.039 You've got to open yourself up and keep yourself an 1417 01:08:46.079 --> 01:08:46.720 open vessel. 1418 01:08:47.119 --> 01:08:51.039 Oh man, dude, this almost this, This might it sound 1419 01:08:51.119 --> 01:08:53.520 kind of crazy and some people are gonna think that 1420 01:08:53.600 --> 01:08:57.800 it's downright blasphemous, but that's okay. That almost sounds exactly 1421 01:08:57.880 --> 01:09:00.239 like what Jesus was doing. Am I tripping by saying that? 1422 01:09:01.039 --> 01:09:01.640 I don't think so? 1423 01:09:05.000 --> 01:09:07.960 He's going on the Father right that nobody goes to 1424 01:09:08.000 --> 01:09:09.520 the Father except through me? 1425 01:09:09.840 --> 01:09:10.039 Right? 1426 01:09:10.239 --> 01:09:10.319 Like? 1427 01:09:10.880 --> 01:09:12.840 Is that not like him saying it? 1428 01:09:12.920 --> 01:09:16.279 But people misunderstood it and misinterpreted kind of thing. 1429 01:09:16.920 --> 01:09:21.640 Dude, when when Jesus heals was it the blind person? 1430 01:09:21.960 --> 01:09:24.479 You know, everyone's around like, Jesus Christ, how did you 1431 01:09:24.520 --> 01:09:27.239 do that? And he was just like, dude, that's nothing. 1432 01:09:27.279 --> 01:09:28.840 You guys can probably do way coolest shit. 1433 01:09:28.760 --> 01:09:36.439 Than that, right, hung his ass. 1434 01:09:37.399 --> 01:09:42.720 That was Jesus's big teaching is is you know, don't 1435 01:09:42.840 --> 01:09:46.199 don't worship me. I'm nobody. I'm nobody. It's the Father 1436 01:09:46.600 --> 01:09:49.439 that deserves all of the praise. And he's inside of you. 1437 01:09:49.640 --> 01:09:51.640 Good news, he's already inside of you. You don't have to 1438 01:09:51.640 --> 01:09:53.680 go anywhere, you don't have to do anything. He the 1439 01:09:53.800 --> 01:09:56.520 Father is already inside of each of us. And and like, 1440 01:09:56.600 --> 01:09:59.760 like Byron just said, all of the miracles that I'm doing, 1441 01:10:00.159 --> 01:10:02.640 you can do too, and even greater things. Because that's 1442 01:10:02.720 --> 01:10:04.640 that's the real point of it. He's like, I'm doing 1443 01:10:04.680 --> 01:10:07.039 some cool stuff. For sure, you can do this too, 1444 01:10:07.119 --> 01:10:11.239 and even greater things. As he's dying and resurrecting himself, 1445 01:10:11.239 --> 01:10:13.319 he's telling us you can do better than this. Come on, guys, 1446 01:10:13.359 --> 01:10:13.880 step it up. 1447 01:10:14.319 --> 01:10:15.800 Needs to get overlooked quite a bit. 1448 01:10:15.880 --> 01:10:19.000 I think it's almost like, why would you worship the wizard, bro? 1449 01:10:19.159 --> 01:10:21.000 He was showing you the way. You don't have to 1450 01:10:21.039 --> 01:10:24.039 worship them in that sense, like understand what he was 1451 01:10:24.079 --> 01:10:27.000 trying to say, but like to turn him into an idol. 1452 01:10:27.079 --> 01:10:30.079 I think that that's exactly not what he wanted, right. 1453 01:10:30.319 --> 01:10:33.880 Only there are the three tests of Satan, the three 1454 01:10:33.920 --> 01:10:38.359 temptations of Christ that Satan gave him. So the first 1455 01:10:38.479 --> 01:10:41.800 was to be able to transmute water. You know Drew, 1456 01:10:42.720 --> 01:10:46.560 Jesus is fascinating for forty days and forty nights. The 1457 01:10:46.760 --> 01:10:51.159 Satan comes to him and says, hey, awfully hungry, awfully thirsty, 1458 01:10:51.199 --> 01:10:53.479 aren't you it? Once you take those stones and you 1459 01:10:53.479 --> 01:10:55.640 can just command those stones to turn into bread and water, 1460 01:10:55.720 --> 01:10:58.199 you can do it. You know that right, And he goes, 1461 01:10:58.279 --> 01:11:00.800 all you got to do is worship me, and I'll 1462 01:11:00.800 --> 01:11:02.840 give you that power. And Jesus has not to happen. 1463 01:11:03.319 --> 01:11:04.680 I don't need to worship for you. I don't need 1464 01:11:04.720 --> 01:11:06.960 bread and water. I can survive on the spirit alone, 1465 01:11:07.000 --> 01:11:09.680 Thank you very much. So he goes, okay. Well, it 1466 01:11:09.720 --> 01:11:12.960 takes him up above the above Jerusalem, shows him all 1467 01:11:12.960 --> 01:11:17.119 of Jerusalem and supposedly the whole world, and says, all 1468 01:11:17.159 --> 01:11:18.800 of this can be yours, all of this will be 1469 01:11:18.880 --> 01:11:22.159 under your dominion if you worship me. I'm not going 1470 01:11:22.199 --> 01:11:24.159 to worship you, like, I don't need all of this. 1471 01:11:24.279 --> 01:11:26.600 Everything is already in my father's hands. Not going to 1472 01:11:26.680 --> 01:11:31.159 worship you. Third test was takes him up a giant 1473 01:11:31.199 --> 01:11:34.239 peak where he says, if you jump down, if you 1474 01:11:34.319 --> 01:11:36.800 worship me, you can fall down and you won't die. 1475 01:11:37.119 --> 01:11:39.720 I'll make you immortal. Heause, no, no, no, no, I'm not 1476 01:11:39.760 --> 01:11:43.520 going to worship you now. In the hidden story here, 1477 01:11:44.039 --> 01:11:48.760 in rejecting worship, in just rejecting worship, he got all 1478 01:11:48.760 --> 01:11:50.760 three of those things. He had the ability because he 1479 01:11:50.800 --> 01:11:52.800 came out of that all of a sudden. He's transmuting 1480 01:11:52.840 --> 01:11:56.159 water into wine, he's raising the dead. He's doing exactly that. 1481 01:11:58.560 --> 01:12:01.079 Christianity is one of the big religions all over the 1482 01:12:01.079 --> 01:12:03.319 face of the earth. It worked. His spell fucking was 1483 01:12:03.359 --> 01:12:07.720 cast and it worked. He did. You get immortality supposedly physically, 1484 01:12:07.800 --> 01:12:10.800 but in any way that the myth is read. He's 1485 01:12:11.279 --> 01:12:14.359 an immortal figure. So he gained all three of those things. 1486 01:12:14.760 --> 01:12:17.079 And so the lesson I get from this is he's saying, 1487 01:12:17.079 --> 01:12:20.479 don't worship, don't worship anything, and you'll get what you want. 1488 01:12:21.159 --> 01:12:23.159 As soon as you start worshiping. That's when you're gonna 1489 01:12:23.159 --> 01:12:24.399 lose all of these things. 1490 01:12:25.439 --> 01:12:27.720 M I've never heard this before. 1491 01:12:27.800 --> 01:12:33.600 That makes the most amount of sense, though, doesn't it does? Shit, Wow, 1492 01:12:33.720 --> 01:12:36.079 I feel like you just unlocked the next level. Dude, 1493 01:12:36.159 --> 01:12:36.840 I'm not hona line. 1494 01:12:36.920 --> 01:12:38.960 Well then, and then let's let's let's go even a 1495 01:12:39.000 --> 01:12:40.880 further step. And this goes back to like, are the 1496 01:12:40.920 --> 01:12:48.560 demons really bad Jesus, and was Jesus really good? Jesus 1497 01:12:48.640 --> 01:12:51.159 is being followed around the whole time by one spirit. 1498 01:12:51.239 --> 01:12:54.079 He has a familiar spirit that's following him around all 1499 01:12:54.159 --> 01:12:56.439 the time, always talking to him. Yappen in his ear. 1500 01:12:56.720 --> 01:12:59.880 It's not the archangel Michael, it's not Gabriel. It is Satan. 1501 01:13:00.199 --> 01:13:03.279 It is Satan walking alongside him every step of the way. 1502 01:13:03.439 --> 01:13:05.560 You're gonna try to tell me this dude's not a sorcerer. 1503 01:13:05.600 --> 01:13:07.920 Of course he's a sorcerer. He's got the devil he 1504 01:13:08.119 --> 01:13:09.039 walkside him. 1505 01:13:09.960 --> 01:13:13.119 Wow, that's crazy, dude. 1506 01:13:13.279 --> 01:13:15.600 And all right now I'm kind of excited to go 1507 01:13:15.600 --> 01:13:17.399 to church on one of these Sundays now, just to 1508 01:13:17.399 --> 01:13:19.560 look at it from that angle, you know what I'm saying, Like, 1509 01:13:20.399 --> 01:13:23.119 oh jeez, that is so crazy. 1510 01:13:24.319 --> 01:13:25.359 So and this is the thing. 1511 01:13:25.399 --> 01:13:28.199 And Byron, you always talk about it like it's it's 1512 01:13:28.199 --> 01:13:32.039 almost like your it's like a divine right almost to 1513 01:13:32.279 --> 01:13:35.840 be able to work with, you know, uh, magic in 1514 01:13:35.880 --> 01:13:38.479 a sense. And it's like you know, you your famous 1515 01:13:38.479 --> 01:13:41.600 saying is like your mind is a weapon, keep it loaded, right, 1516 01:13:42.079 --> 01:13:44.920 And I just find that, like, you know, in combining 1517 01:13:44.920 --> 01:13:48.520 it with what we're talking about right here, dude, we're 1518 01:13:48.560 --> 01:13:51.479 fucking all sorcerers in that sense, right, Like we all 1519 01:13:51.520 --> 01:13:54.760 have the ability to do these things and manipulate our surroundings. 1520 01:13:55.159 --> 01:13:57.079 And in that sense, it's like and then. 1521 01:13:57.000 --> 01:13:59.159 You got other people that are like, I don't know, 1522 01:13:59.279 --> 01:14:03.039 maybe they're worshiping a certain deity or something like that, 1523 01:14:03.119 --> 01:14:06.680 and it's almost like, man, I feel like you just 1524 01:14:06.680 --> 01:14:09.960 don't understand what you're doing, and you're just doing, you know, 1525 01:14:10.079 --> 01:14:12.399 what your parents told you to do and stuff like that. 1526 01:14:12.880 --> 01:14:15.479 What do you really know about it, you know, other 1527 01:14:15.560 --> 01:14:17.159 than just what everybody else is doing. 1528 01:14:17.159 --> 01:14:18.359 And I don't know. 1529 01:14:18.399 --> 01:14:20.840 I always found it fascinating that somebody could could call 1530 01:14:20.880 --> 01:14:24.079 themselves religious or that they're a certain follower of said 1531 01:14:24.279 --> 01:14:26.720 icon or whatever, but then they don't really even know 1532 01:14:26.760 --> 01:14:28.479 the stories of it, you know. It's kind of like 1533 01:14:28.479 --> 01:14:30.399 they're just doing it out of tradition at that point, 1534 01:14:30.720 --> 01:14:32.039 which is who's that helping? 1535 01:14:32.560 --> 01:14:34.199 And you know, I think it's one of those things too. 1536 01:14:34.880 --> 01:14:37.199 For one day, most of them missed the point, you know, 1537 01:14:38.319 --> 01:14:40.600 about the whole meaning of a book and everything, and 1538 01:14:40.640 --> 01:14:41.439 then it's just, you. 1539 01:14:41.359 --> 01:14:43.319 Know, eat it. 1540 01:14:44.159 --> 01:14:47.840 They're on their whole other trip. But there's no point 1541 01:14:47.840 --> 01:14:49.840 in being spiritual if you're not going to do work. 1542 01:14:49.880 --> 01:14:52.359 So it doesn't matter if you're gonna be a Christian 1543 01:14:52.600 --> 01:14:56.960 or a Muslim or whatever, you know, like or a 1544 01:14:57.000 --> 01:14:59.840 new Ager or an occultist. Like I feel like you 1545 01:15:00.119 --> 01:15:02.720 have to do work, you know, because you can read 1546 01:15:02.760 --> 01:15:05.199 all the books in the world. You know, you can 1547 01:15:05.479 --> 01:15:08.039 you know, you can pray and everything, and praying is 1548 01:15:08.039 --> 01:15:10.800 one thing that'll help, you know, blessing your food before 1549 01:15:10.800 --> 01:15:14.920 you eat it, that's huge, you know. But you have 1550 01:15:14.960 --> 01:15:17.239 to do work. And and this is where people get 1551 01:15:17.279 --> 01:15:22.479 really messed up because they think of magic. It's something 1552 01:15:22.520 --> 01:15:26.640 that's like separate from them, like it's evil, you know, 1553 01:15:27.199 --> 01:15:29.760 but it's like it's the part of us is the 1554 01:15:29.760 --> 01:15:31.720 most real. It's the part of us is like linked 1555 01:15:31.720 --> 01:15:34.479 closest to the creator and all of creation. You know, 1556 01:15:35.399 --> 01:15:36.920 everyone has the ability to do this. 1557 01:15:37.680 --> 01:15:40.640 And well, you know, let me actually go a little 1558 01:15:40.920 --> 01:15:43.640 just one step further than that. It's it's not even 1559 01:15:44.000 --> 01:15:47.640 it's not even that everybody could, but they don't. No, no, no, 1560 01:15:47.680 --> 01:15:54.800 it's worse than that. Everybody is creating their reality accidentally unintentionally. Yeah, 1561 01:15:56.079 --> 01:15:59.640 every single thought that you have, So let's let's just 1562 01:15:59.640 --> 01:16:03.199 take that. If you think about something that's just a 1563 01:16:03.199 --> 01:16:06.119 thought form, that's just a thought. It's not nothing really, 1564 01:16:06.239 --> 01:16:09.119 But as soon as you start attaching energy through emotion 1565 01:16:09.279 --> 01:16:12.319 to that thought, it starts creating a bubble of energy 1566 01:16:12.439 --> 01:16:14.960 or even a stream of energy that connects that thing 1567 01:16:15.000 --> 01:16:19.159 to manifesting. And so you start thinking your work, you know, 1568 01:16:19.279 --> 01:16:21.560 working away, and you're like, God, my wife is such 1569 01:16:21.600 --> 01:16:24.479 a bitches and you start grumbling about it, and you're like, 1570 01:16:24.680 --> 01:16:26.159 I bet she's going to be in a bad mood 1571 01:16:26.159 --> 01:16:30.439 when you're manifesting every bit of that. And so it's 1572 01:16:30.479 --> 01:16:33.239 not just that people could use magic and the people 1573 01:16:33.239 --> 01:16:37.119 are using sloppy magic. They're using unintentional magic, right because 1574 01:16:37.479 --> 01:16:39.720 every thought you think, every word you speak. 1575 01:16:39.520 --> 01:16:43.920 Is yeah, it's it's sort of like like when you 1576 01:16:43.960 --> 01:16:46.439 read books on like neuro linguistic program I mean, one 1577 01:16:46.479 --> 01:16:47.840 of the things they make clear when it comes to 1578 01:16:47.920 --> 01:16:50.920 the ethics of it is you can't not influence people. 1579 01:16:51.239 --> 01:16:52.760 So it's kind the same thing with magic. You know, 1580 01:16:52.840 --> 01:16:56.239 you can't not do magic. Everyone's doing magic all the time, 1581 01:16:56.800 --> 01:16:59.359 you know, And how many people do you see out 1582 01:16:59.359 --> 01:17:02.319 in the matrix that are like people that you care 1583 01:17:02.359 --> 01:17:04.800 about and love that are it's like cursing themselves over 1584 01:17:04.840 --> 01:17:07.840 and over and over again. Can you imagine going through 1585 01:17:07.880 --> 01:17:12.119 like public school and then like working in a factory, 1586 01:17:12.640 --> 01:17:15.560 to working like some other thing, going through divorces and 1587 01:17:16.039 --> 01:17:19.720 never even understanding the importance of cleaning your aura. Like, 1588 01:17:19.800 --> 01:17:22.239 imagine how many people are just so gunky and beat 1589 01:17:22.279 --> 01:17:24.279 down from life and then they just become magnets for 1590 01:17:24.359 --> 01:17:26.600 it once it gets to a certain point, you know. 1591 01:17:26.720 --> 01:17:30.560 And right, I think when people allow their ego to 1592 01:17:30.760 --> 01:17:35.119 really drive, you know, everything in their reality, they they 1593 01:17:35.399 --> 01:17:37.520 tend to forget, you know. I think Jonathan's brought this 1594 01:17:37.640 --> 01:17:40.319 up before. If you just look at yourself as a 1595 01:17:40.439 --> 01:17:43.000 human that you are there to take care of, almost 1596 01:17:43.039 --> 01:17:47.039 like that higher version of yourself looking out for the 1597 01:17:47.119 --> 01:17:49.720 thing that is you, you would definitely want to do 1598 01:17:49.760 --> 01:17:51.760 everything you could to take care of that thing. But 1599 01:17:51.880 --> 01:17:55.279 because you are inside of this body for whatever reason, 1600 01:17:55.319 --> 01:17:59.399 it's almost easier to just kind of succumb to those 1601 01:17:59.479 --> 01:18:01.039 lower energies of the ego. 1602 01:18:01.279 --> 01:18:04.039 Oh dude, you forget that you're not you, you know 1603 01:18:04.039 --> 01:18:06.000 what I'm saying, Like, that's the crazy thing you like, 1604 01:18:06.079 --> 01:18:09.039 you think that you are the avatar. But it's that's 1605 01:18:09.039 --> 01:18:11.479 why we always talk about like and that's literally the 1606 01:18:11.520 --> 01:18:14.880 reason why every single episode we have a meditation to 1607 01:18:14.960 --> 01:18:17.760 try and remind us that we are not the avatar. 1608 01:18:17.880 --> 01:18:21.039 We're kind of just uh, you know, aware of it, 1609 01:18:21.119 --> 01:18:23.079 and you know, you could say in control of it 1610 01:18:23.159 --> 01:18:25.359 and whatnot. But you know, and this is a quote 1611 01:18:25.359 --> 01:18:27.960 that we always say, and this is Caro young Carl. 1612 01:18:28.039 --> 01:18:31.479 I thought about it and then I saw you typing 1613 01:18:31.520 --> 01:18:33.640 it in to find it because we never get it right. 1614 01:18:33.720 --> 01:18:36.720 This is beautiful, Yes, Carl Jung's famous quote. Now I'm 1615 01:18:36.760 --> 01:18:39.039 gonna get this fucking tattooed on me, bro, cause this is. 1616 01:18:41.479 --> 01:18:42.000 Hold down. 1617 01:18:42.000 --> 01:18:42.840 What did that say again? 1618 01:18:43.880 --> 01:18:46.680 But he goes, Until you make the unconscious conscious, it 1619 01:18:46.680 --> 01:18:48.800 will direct your life and you will call it fate. 1620 01:18:49.239 --> 01:18:52.760 And that is exactly like, you know, if you're unaware 1621 01:18:52.880 --> 01:18:54.840 that you're a magician and for a. 1622 01:18:54.880 --> 01:18:57.039 Lack of a better word, magic that you're doing. 1623 01:18:57.039 --> 01:18:58.399 You're doing the accidental magic. 1624 01:18:58.479 --> 01:19:00.880 Yeah, like all that ship you're taught fucking oh, I 1625 01:19:01.000 --> 01:19:03.079 suck at this or I'm never gonna get this, and 1626 01:19:03.119 --> 01:19:07.399 it's like, yes, yes, here's my wand granting you this wish, 1627 01:19:07.560 --> 01:19:10.199 you know, in that sense, and it's like, man, if 1628 01:19:10.239 --> 01:19:13.920 we only knew the power, you know, it's crazy. 1629 01:19:14.079 --> 01:19:19.399 Oh yeah, well you're doing okay. And you can flip. 1630 01:19:19.600 --> 01:19:22.039 You can flip situations. Let's let's let's go back to 1631 01:19:22.039 --> 01:19:24.399 the other situation. You know, you're getting ready for work 1632 01:19:24.439 --> 01:19:26.720 and your wife's gonna be not that not that friendly. 1633 01:19:26.880 --> 01:19:29.079 You go off to work. If you spend your work 1634 01:19:29.159 --> 01:19:32.680 day thinking about how awesome she is, appreciating her and 1635 01:19:32.680 --> 01:19:34.279 and and you know, maybe even thinking about what you've 1636 01:19:34.319 --> 01:19:36.600 done wrong and how you can do better, you're probably 1637 01:19:36.600 --> 01:19:38.800 gonna get home to a wife that's done the exact 1638 01:19:38.800 --> 01:19:40.960 same thing. She's probably spent the whole day doing the 1639 01:19:40.960 --> 01:19:42.399 same thing. And you get to the door and she's 1640 01:19:42.600 --> 01:19:45.439 I'm so sorry, baby, this morning was a disaster. I 1641 01:19:45.479 --> 01:19:48.399 love you so much. But because you know you can, 1642 01:19:48.479 --> 01:19:51.000 you can and and this is this is actually a 1643 01:19:51.000 --> 01:19:52.800 fun little game to play with your reality. If you 1644 01:19:52.800 --> 01:19:54.720 feel the energy of something moving in a way you 1645 01:19:54.720 --> 01:19:57.920 don't like, all right, well, let me actually take a 1646 01:19:57.960 --> 01:20:00.680 step back. Actually, because what you were saying and then 1647 01:20:01.720 --> 01:20:06.119 about becoming you're not the avatar until you choose to be, 1648 01:20:06.640 --> 01:20:09.159 and and you can step into it and and and 1649 01:20:09.640 --> 01:20:11.359 I've got a little I've got something that works for me. 1650 01:20:11.479 --> 01:20:15.439 Three breaths I take three intentional breaths, just breathe, hold it. Release. 1651 01:20:15.600 --> 01:20:17.840 After three breaths, I'm there, and then I can I 1652 01:20:17.840 --> 01:20:20.720 can operate from actually being present. But you see yourself 1653 01:20:20.760 --> 01:20:24.920 wandering off and drifting off in Napoleon Hill wrote another 1654 01:20:24.920 --> 01:20:30.000 book called Outwitting the Devil. His publisher wouldn't let him 1655 01:20:30.079 --> 01:20:32.720 publish this book while he was alive. His kids tried 1656 01:20:32.720 --> 01:20:34.560 to publish it. They wouldn't let him publish it either, 1657 01:20:34.560 --> 01:20:37.640 because this book is Napoleon Hill taking all of his 1658 01:20:38.039 --> 01:20:40.680 self help philosophy and and putting it into a conversation 1659 01:20:40.800 --> 01:20:43.720 he has with the devil. And so he goes, you know, Saytan, 1660 01:20:44.119 --> 01:20:46.119 how if you were going to if you were going 1661 01:20:46.199 --> 01:20:48.119 to stop me from all the good things I'm going 1662 01:20:48.199 --> 01:20:49.520 to do in this world, how would you do it? 1663 01:20:49.560 --> 01:20:51.720 I want to know exactly your plan. And then he 1664 01:20:51.760 --> 01:20:54.319 goes through exactly how people are thrown off course, and 1665 01:20:54.359 --> 01:20:56.000 he goes every time, what it comes down to is 1666 01:20:56.000 --> 01:21:00.239 this one thing, and that's the drift, the drift that 1667 01:21:00.279 --> 01:21:02.439 you're not paying attention. You took your hands off the wheel. 1668 01:21:02.640 --> 01:21:04.560 Life is going okay, it's going okay. You don't need 1669 01:21:04.600 --> 01:21:06.720 to pay that much attention. And so you don't, he 1670 01:21:06.800 --> 01:21:09.199 don't have it's just drifting. And you can drift in 1671 01:21:09.239 --> 01:21:11.479 a car is if you're not going too fast, just 1672 01:21:11.640 --> 01:21:14.119 goes along. You can drift for a few minutes before 1673 01:21:14.119 --> 01:21:16.840 it causes an issue, but sooner or later it causes 1674 01:21:16.840 --> 01:21:19.840 an issue. And so every problem that you you you 1675 01:21:19.880 --> 01:21:21.920 can track down when your life's gone off the rails 1676 01:21:21.960 --> 01:21:24.039 is because you took your hands off and let it drift. 1677 01:21:24.399 --> 01:21:27.199 And so the thing is is to have your daily 1678 01:21:27.319 --> 01:21:31.279 practices that every day you're becoming present, that you're engaging 1679 01:21:31.279 --> 01:21:34.079 with a meditation and a prayer, a ritual, something that 1680 01:21:34.119 --> 01:21:36.920 you're harnessing yourself and going, you know what, I'm not 1681 01:21:36.920 --> 01:21:39.880 going to drift today. I'm actually you know, so for me, 1682 01:21:40.119 --> 01:21:43.760 little personal addition to this is I'm a recovering addict 1683 01:21:44.399 --> 01:21:47.319 coming on three years sober. To me and with that, 1684 01:21:48.119 --> 01:21:51.560 thank you, thank you, and that that is a daily thing, 1685 01:21:51.640 --> 01:21:53.319 just every day, every day. Hey, you know, I'm gonna 1686 01:21:53.439 --> 01:21:56.479 I'm not going to fuck up my life with using 1687 01:21:56.520 --> 01:21:58.840 that shit ever again. Today today is my day of 1688 01:21:58.880 --> 01:22:03.640 just being sober. And with that kind of thing, also 1689 01:22:03.680 --> 01:22:05.239 do the same with it. Today is my day of 1690 01:22:05.319 --> 01:22:08.359 just being happy. I've been working through this discipline lately 1691 01:22:08.800 --> 01:22:13.399 of trying to only wish well on every living thing. 1692 01:22:13.720 --> 01:22:15.800 And that's hard because there are people that piss me off, 1693 01:22:15.800 --> 01:22:18.720 there are bugs that annoy me, there's little things in life. 1694 01:22:18.960 --> 01:22:20.640 And so it's a discipline that I'm picking up from 1695 01:22:20.680 --> 01:22:23.880 Buddhism and stuff of just just wishing well, trying to 1696 01:22:23.920 --> 01:22:26.199 make that come from an authentic place of love. And dude, 1697 01:22:26.239 --> 01:22:29.600 it's hard, but that's why it's a discipline. And so 1698 01:22:29.640 --> 01:22:31.880 all of these things. Make sure you're doing something every 1699 01:22:31.960 --> 01:22:35.600 day that's making you grab that steering wheel and hold 1700 01:22:35.640 --> 01:22:37.239 on to it and push life in the direction you 1701 01:22:37.279 --> 01:22:37.680 want to go. 1702 01:22:37.840 --> 01:22:38.279 That's great. 1703 01:22:38.439 --> 01:22:40.079 Just like you said earlier, you know, two of the 1704 01:22:40.119 --> 01:22:42.720 most valuable things you have is your time and your attention. 1705 01:22:43.000 --> 01:22:46.039 And so it just depends on where you are directing that. 1706 01:22:46.399 --> 01:22:49.319 And we have the power to direct it basically anywhere. Really, 1707 01:22:49.880 --> 01:22:50.920 you know, no one in the bads. 1708 01:22:51.319 --> 01:22:53.840 So you know what's funny too, is that we were 1709 01:22:53.840 --> 01:22:57.159 out by the pool yesterday and I live in an apartment complex. 1710 01:22:57.159 --> 01:22:58.760 They got a pool right in the middle, and so 1711 01:22:59.079 --> 01:23:02.039 me and my son went out there and my wife 1712 01:23:02.119 --> 01:23:04.399 went out there as well. And when we were out there, 1713 01:23:04.560 --> 01:23:07.840 there was this wasp that was like flying around and 1714 01:23:07.840 --> 01:23:10.119 and it like flew down and got stuck in the water, 1715 01:23:10.159 --> 01:23:11.560 and you could see it was like pretty cool. It 1716 01:23:11.600 --> 01:23:13.840 was like swimming with its little arms and shit. And 1717 01:23:14.239 --> 01:23:16.600 in my mind, I'm thinking of, like, you know, Buddhism 1718 01:23:16.840 --> 01:23:20.079 in a sense, because my old self would have said, 1719 01:23:20.279 --> 01:23:21.079 fuck that wasp. 1720 01:23:21.119 --> 01:23:21.640 I'm killing it. 1721 01:23:21.640 --> 01:23:23.640 I'm drowning it right now, like I don't want it 1722 01:23:23.680 --> 01:23:25.159 to be a part of my life at all, right, 1723 01:23:25.640 --> 01:23:27.319 and uh, and that's what she wanted to do. She 1724 01:23:27.399 --> 01:23:29.119 was like, kill it, drown it, like you don't want 1725 01:23:29.119 --> 01:23:30.800 to get stung, do you know. I was like, all right, 1726 01:23:30.800 --> 01:23:32.600 you know what, I'm gonna pivot. I'm gonna lift it 1727 01:23:32.680 --> 01:23:34.359 up out of the water, and I'm just gonna set 1728 01:23:34.399 --> 01:23:36.560 it on the side, you know, and just let it 1729 01:23:36.600 --> 01:23:39.319 live a little bit, right. And she goes, oh, that's stupid. 1730 01:23:39.359 --> 01:23:42.760 It's just gonna come back and stingy. And I was like, ah, 1731 01:23:42.800 --> 01:23:44.600 you know, maybe it'll show me a little love because 1732 01:23:44.600 --> 01:23:46.960 I just saved its life, right when you know it, dude, 1733 01:23:47.000 --> 01:23:49.319 Like three minutes later, I get stung by the motherfucker, 1734 01:23:49.760 --> 01:23:53.319 and and I'm like all right, like I thought I 1735 01:23:53.359 --> 01:23:56.159 was doing it, and I get stung for it. I'm like, 1736 01:23:56.239 --> 01:23:59.279 what's going on here? And and so I don't know. 1737 01:23:59.319 --> 01:24:01.840 Maybe I'm maybe that was just like a little wasp. 1738 01:24:01.920 --> 01:24:05.199 Here's my here's my here's my evaluation of that. He 1739 01:24:05.279 --> 01:24:07.600 shouldn't have said that. She put that into the universe. 1740 01:24:07.760 --> 01:24:10.000 She shouldn't have put that in the uni. She should 1741 01:24:10.000 --> 01:24:12.520 have said that, really, sweetie baby, that big that that 1742 01:24:12.640 --> 01:24:15.039 wasp is gonna fly away and love life and da 1743 01:24:15.119 --> 01:24:21.239 da da. But but my friends, my friends will do that. 1744 01:24:21.239 --> 01:24:23.199 I'll be like, you can't put that into the university 1745 01:24:23.399 --> 01:24:26.479 because every word you speak is a spell, for sure. 1746 01:24:26.880 --> 01:24:30.840 But so I had to last year. I'm just sitting 1747 01:24:30.840 --> 01:24:34.119 on my back porch, just chilling, and this wasp flies 1748 01:24:34.279 --> 01:24:36.800 and gets right in my face and same thing old 1749 01:24:36.880 --> 01:24:39.680 me would have snatch and then squeezed it right away, 1750 01:24:40.600 --> 01:24:43.640 and uh and I'm like, ah, it's not actually doing 1751 01:24:43.680 --> 01:24:47.199 anything though, it's just chilling. It's kind of cute. It 1752 01:24:47.239 --> 01:24:49.399 actually kind of if you look at wasps up close, 1753 01:24:49.439 --> 01:24:51.399 they kind of look like dogs, like they kind of 1754 01:24:51.399 --> 01:24:54.119 like have a floppy dogness to them, and so I'm like, oh, 1755 01:24:54.199 --> 01:24:56.760 that's kind of cute. So it lands on my coffee 1756 01:24:56.760 --> 01:24:59.239 cup and like my coffee mug has like a little 1757 01:24:59.239 --> 01:25:01.399 holy sip out of and there's like a ring of 1758 01:25:01.439 --> 01:25:03.000 coffee that it's sipping off of them, like you know, 1759 01:25:03.199 --> 01:25:06.239 I'll let it drink my coffee. Every morning I'd come 1760 01:25:06.239 --> 01:25:08.800 out there and for about a month and it would 1761 01:25:08.840 --> 01:25:10.840 come out there and be with me. And so I 1762 01:25:10.880 --> 01:25:14.840 started putting out and it never stung me once. So 1763 01:25:14.880 --> 01:25:17.079 I put out a little pile of honey. I was 1764 01:25:17.119 --> 01:25:18.399 just like, hey, let's to see, you know, I want 1765 01:25:18.399 --> 01:25:21.000 to squeeze some honey out on this log that I've 1766 01:25:21.039 --> 01:25:23.840 got out there. Sure enough, a ton of wasps come 1767 01:25:23.880 --> 01:25:29.840 around and they start they were they were coming around me, 1768 01:25:29.960 --> 01:25:32.199 treating me like like a friend, like they were just 1769 01:25:32.199 --> 01:25:34.920 buzzing around me. One of them landed on my nose 1770 01:25:34.960 --> 01:25:37.279 and that's that was more of a just I kind 1771 01:25:37.279 --> 01:25:39.479 of shoot it away as gently as I could. 1772 01:25:39.279 --> 01:25:43.079 But uh but it was uh yeah, it was like 1773 01:25:43.119 --> 01:25:45.800 probably a good month or two that I just had 1774 01:25:45.800 --> 01:25:50.439 this beautiful daily relationship with these these bees or these wasps. 1775 01:25:49.880 --> 01:25:52.279 I had to I had to learn all about them 1776 01:25:52.279 --> 01:25:53.800 because I thought there were bees, because I didn't know 1777 01:25:53.840 --> 01:25:55.279 the difference, and I had to look it up. I'm like, 1778 01:25:55.359 --> 01:25:57.920 oh no, these are actually wasps and here's the cool 1779 01:25:57.960 --> 01:26:04.399 spiritual significance of that or whatever. But but with this, 1780 01:26:04.399 --> 01:26:07.600 this make me unravel this massive teaching. With my interaction 1781 01:26:07.680 --> 01:26:10.199 with these wasps, I do the same thing with cats. 1782 01:26:10.279 --> 01:26:13.479 I've got cats that have become pets, and all I've 1783 01:26:13.479 --> 01:26:15.239 had to do is just put food out. And there's 1784 01:26:15.640 --> 01:26:18.359 I live next to the wilderness, so little runaway cats 1785 01:26:18.359 --> 01:26:21.680 and stuff will come, come, eat the food, make friends 1786 01:26:21.680 --> 01:26:24.079 with them. And I was thinking about it. I was like, 1787 01:26:24.159 --> 01:26:27.199 that's really similar to the way that we interact with 1788 01:26:27.399 --> 01:26:30.319 the divine, or we interact with our gods or our 1789 01:26:30.359 --> 01:26:34.760 spirits speaking in English back and forth. Sure that works, 1790 01:26:34.800 --> 01:26:37.760 but that's like, that's not a pure communication because that's 1791 01:26:37.800 --> 01:26:40.399 not how they think. That's not how they communicate, so 1792 01:26:40.439 --> 01:26:43.800 they're having to slow their messages way down. A more 1793 01:26:43.840 --> 01:26:47.800 pure communication between two species is through gifts that you 1794 01:26:47.880 --> 01:26:50.319 give it something you think it's gonna like, like you 1795 01:26:50.439 --> 01:26:52.760 and and the idea of gifts is you give it 1796 01:26:52.800 --> 01:26:55.159 something it's gonna like. It's easy for you to get, 1797 01:26:55.640 --> 01:26:59.920 like any kind of food item or things like that, incense, candles, 1798 01:27:00.199 --> 01:27:02.359 the two you know, again, the two currencies of time 1799 01:27:02.399 --> 01:27:04.079 and attention. It's easy for you to just pay a 1800 01:27:04.079 --> 01:27:06.600 little bit of attention to these things and then they 1801 01:27:06.600 --> 01:27:09.319 give you gifts of sometimes miracles happening in your life, 1802 01:27:09.560 --> 01:27:12.039 and those are those are the real communication. I feel 1803 01:27:12.039 --> 01:27:15.239 like happens with spirits, with animals, with all all kinds 1804 01:27:15.239 --> 01:27:17.760 of things. Is we can talk all day long, but 1805 01:27:17.800 --> 01:27:20.720 it's like it's actually the exchanges that you can kind 1806 01:27:20.720 --> 01:27:21.560 of tell you the most. 1807 01:27:21.960 --> 01:27:24.800 So gift says in like little offerings you mean. 1808 01:27:25.920 --> 01:27:29.439 Sure, yeah, little well, okay, come, let's break this down. 1809 01:27:29.880 --> 01:27:33.680 So a gift for the first level is going to 1810 01:27:33.680 --> 01:27:35.520 be your time and attention, like are you are you 1811 01:27:35.560 --> 01:27:37.600 going to go are you just gonna think about it? 1812 01:27:37.640 --> 01:27:39.199 Are you actually going to go light a candle and 1813 01:27:39.199 --> 01:27:40.960 gaze into it and think about the thing that you 1814 01:27:41.000 --> 01:27:44.000 want to have happen and go through the process and 1815 01:27:44.039 --> 01:27:45.720 then you're going to follow that through with the work 1816 01:27:45.760 --> 01:27:48.239 that you've got to do. So that's the first part 1817 01:27:48.279 --> 01:27:53.560 of it. But then also offerings. So what what would 1818 01:27:53.640 --> 01:27:55.840 be an offering if let's say a love spell, you 1819 01:27:55.840 --> 01:27:57.600 want to do a love spell, what would be some 1820 01:27:57.640 --> 01:27:59.800 good things to happen there? Well, some candles, because you know, 1821 01:28:00.119 --> 01:28:03.800 inflame things and get things fired up. And candles are 1822 01:28:03.800 --> 01:28:06.560 a good gateway for the candles probably read for you 1823 01:28:06.640 --> 01:28:09.279 get that nice you know, fiery color, the blood rolling, 1824 01:28:09.680 --> 01:28:11.399 and you know, make some associations like that, so that 1825 01:28:11.399 --> 01:28:13.840 even those are offerings how you're setting up the ritual, 1826 01:28:14.880 --> 01:28:18.279 the visualization that you have. But then there's another offering, 1827 01:28:18.319 --> 01:28:20.039 and that's only I call it like a back end, 1828 01:28:20.279 --> 01:28:23.800 a backand offering, a back end sacrifice. So you cast 1829 01:28:23.840 --> 01:28:27.239 the spell, you ask for the thing to happen, and 1830 01:28:27.279 --> 01:28:30.920 then you see the girl at the coffee shop, she's 1831 01:28:30.960 --> 01:28:34.800 standing right there. She was delivered to you. This is 1832 01:28:34.840 --> 01:28:36.199 the next part of the offering. Are you going to 1833 01:28:36.279 --> 01:28:37.560 go ask for her number? Or are you just going 1834 01:28:37.640 --> 01:28:41.039 to let the let the situation pass you by. And 1835 01:28:41.079 --> 01:28:43.600 so that's another part of the offering, is is following 1836 01:28:43.640 --> 01:28:47.680 through on it, doing your thing, doing your part, and trusting, 1837 01:28:47.760 --> 01:28:49.760 like looking at it and going, uh, that's what I 1838 01:28:49.800 --> 01:28:52.079 asked for, there it is, and going and getting it. 1839 01:28:52.279 --> 01:28:54.359 That's also part of the offering. And then once you've 1840 01:28:54.399 --> 01:28:57.039 received it, actually reaching out to those spirits and saying, hey, 1841 01:28:57.079 --> 01:29:00.000 thanks so much, that worked out really well. I appreciate you. 1842 01:29:00.079 --> 01:29:02.520 And I'll usually do that like if I've got sigils 1843 01:29:02.600 --> 01:29:04.319 or other things on paper that I need to burn 1844 01:29:04.479 --> 01:29:06.680 or release after at the end of the ritual, I'll 1845 01:29:06.800 --> 01:29:09.560 use that moment to thank the spirits in advance. Hey, thanks. 1846 01:29:09.920 --> 01:29:12.039 And it's that spirit of gratitude that actually is a 1847 01:29:12.159 --> 01:29:15.640 huge offering. All of these things, whether it's the incense 1848 01:29:15.720 --> 01:29:19.119 or the candles or all of these things, though, it's 1849 01:29:19.119 --> 01:29:21.079 your own energy that you're bringing to it. And so 1850 01:29:21.239 --> 01:29:23.520 you know the candles are red. You know what it 1851 01:29:23.600 --> 01:29:25.920 means for you to do these things, and so it's 1852 01:29:25.960 --> 01:29:27.840 that energy that you're going to offer up to the 1853 01:29:27.880 --> 01:29:29.560 situation that you want to make. You want to have 1854 01:29:29.600 --> 01:29:31.720 it unfold. Does that make sense? 1855 01:29:31.960 --> 01:29:33.319 Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. 1856 01:29:33.520 --> 01:29:36.279 You're just stabbing people, though, just just to be clear 1857 01:29:36.319 --> 01:29:39.039 for everybody, no stabbing people. That's not what the offerings 1858 01:29:39.079 --> 01:29:42.840 are about. No harm in others. That's you know. I 1859 01:29:43.239 --> 01:29:48.039 don't even I have done like animal sacrifices of chickens 1860 01:29:48.039 --> 01:29:51.439 and stuff like that, and I'll eat it. I'll eat it, 1861 01:29:51.439 --> 01:29:54.239 I'll use the bones, I use all of it. I 1862 01:29:54.279 --> 01:29:56.840 don't like it. I don't feel like it's I don't 1863 01:29:56.840 --> 01:29:58.920 feel like it's necessary. I feel like I can get 1864 01:29:59.319 --> 01:30:01.680 just as much in it from tapping radionics or from 1865 01:30:01.720 --> 01:30:05.720 doing a meditatation, or from masturbating it. There's a million 1866 01:30:05.720 --> 01:30:08.239 ways to get just as much energy that that without 1867 01:30:08.279 --> 01:30:12.359 without It's just I love animals, I love life, and 1868 01:30:12.359 --> 01:30:14.399 I don't want to kill anything that doesn't need to 1869 01:30:14.399 --> 01:30:16.039 be killed. Man. With that, I don't have any problem 1870 01:30:16.079 --> 01:30:19.079 with hunting or with you know, fishing or eating meat 1871 01:30:19.199 --> 01:30:23.319 or whatever. But but I don't know, I don't feel 1872 01:30:23.359 --> 01:30:27.119 like it's necessary. You know. Now, now, mind you, if 1873 01:30:27.159 --> 01:30:30.479 I'm out deer hunting, you better believe before I put 1874 01:30:30.479 --> 01:30:32.560 that deer down, I'm going to get into a meditative state. 1875 01:30:32.600 --> 01:30:34.720 I'm going to thank it for for for it's it's 1876 01:30:34.800 --> 01:30:37.439 offering to me. I'm gonna commune with it. I'm going 1877 01:30:37.479 --> 01:30:39.720 to make it a religious experience when I'm taking the 1878 01:30:39.760 --> 01:30:40.600 life that animal. 1879 01:30:41.600 --> 01:30:44.079 That makes sense. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. 1880 01:30:44.119 --> 01:30:45.800 And that's something that you know, we kind of feel 1881 01:30:45.800 --> 01:30:48.640 the same way about to Like I'm all for magic 1882 01:30:48.680 --> 01:30:52.079 and everything, but whenever it comes to sacrificeing something, I'm like, man, 1883 01:30:52.319 --> 01:30:54.479 I'm not going to sacrifice an animal. Maybe I'll I'll 1884 01:30:54.520 --> 01:30:58.600 sacrifice my need for sugar or something like that, you know, 1885 01:30:58.600 --> 01:31:00.640 what I'm saying, like, that's a worthy. 1886 01:31:00.000 --> 01:31:03.279 So that's also not to say that it doesn't work, 1887 01:31:03.680 --> 01:31:06.000 you know what I mean, like we understand that it 1888 01:31:06.239 --> 01:31:08.479 that it does, you know, but but yeah, no, I 1889 01:31:08.520 --> 01:31:09.000 respect that. 1890 01:31:09.079 --> 01:31:11.159 I totally am with you on that, dude. And you 1891 01:31:11.199 --> 01:31:12.000 know it's funny, man. 1892 01:31:12.079 --> 01:31:14.479 You know every time we have these episodes and and 1893 01:31:14.600 --> 01:31:17.479 Byron brings uh one of his friends along, man, and 1894 01:31:17.720 --> 01:31:20.520 I just know that we're gonna something's going to be unlocked, 1895 01:31:20.520 --> 01:31:23.840 something we're going to just it's just gonna snap, and 1896 01:31:23.880 --> 01:31:26.920 we're gonna understand it just a lot better. And I 1897 01:31:26.960 --> 01:31:30.199 think that we've learned a lot of let's we've had 1898 01:31:30.239 --> 01:31:31.560 a lot of those moments here tonight. 1899 01:31:31.600 --> 01:31:33.880 I just won't let you know that. And your excitement 1900 01:31:33.880 --> 01:31:35.920 and everything, man, just it's got me excited. 1901 01:31:37.000 --> 01:31:41.920 No, thank you, that's yeah, this it is exciting. So 1902 01:31:42.239 --> 01:31:44.079 you know, when I was a kid, I grew up 1903 01:31:44.119 --> 01:31:47.359 and I grew up Mormon, and uh, and so I 1904 01:31:47.439 --> 01:31:53.479 said in church and I hear about this stuff, and uh, 1905 01:31:54.479 --> 01:31:56.960 none of it worked. None of it worked. I tried. 1906 01:31:57.039 --> 01:31:59.760 I tried praying and and and not not not like 1907 01:32:00.000 --> 01:32:03.920 asking for things and the things didn't happen. But I 1908 01:32:03.960 --> 01:32:06.079 was talking to myself. I was talking to myself, and 1909 01:32:06.319 --> 01:32:08.159 I could feel this, you know. I pushed through it, 1910 01:32:08.199 --> 01:32:10.319 and I was a good Mormon kid, and I really 1911 01:32:10.359 --> 01:32:12.560 like I was mister Mormon when I was a kid, 1912 01:32:12.760 --> 01:32:15.439 really trying my hardest to feel what was going on 1913 01:32:15.479 --> 01:32:17.960 with this faith. I returned to it as an adult too, 1914 01:32:18.159 --> 01:32:19.560 just to just you know, give it a couple more 1915 01:32:19.640 --> 01:32:22.359 years and really see if it's if it's and it 1916 01:32:22.960 --> 01:32:27.159 doesn't have the it doesn't unlock anything, like there's nothing there. 1917 01:32:27.680 --> 01:32:30.600 And that's the same with a lot of not not 1918 01:32:30.720 --> 01:32:33.720 every religion. You know, Buddhism's got a lot of stuff there. 1919 01:32:33.880 --> 01:32:36.119 You can open up different religions and see that there's 1920 01:32:36.159 --> 01:32:39.000 a lot there. But within a lot of the mainstream 1921 01:32:39.119 --> 01:32:42.239 Christian religions, it's just a control mechanism and you can 1922 01:32:42.239 --> 01:32:44.680 see that and feel it. But as soon as you know, 1923 01:32:44.800 --> 01:32:49.920 when I was twelve, I started researching the occult, started looking, 1924 01:32:50.000 --> 01:32:51.720 you know, and sneak away to the library at the 1925 01:32:51.720 --> 01:32:54.239 school and try to look up whatever magical stuff. I 1926 01:32:54.279 --> 01:32:56.840 was just being pulled to it, and uh. And then 1927 01:32:56.920 --> 01:33:00.119 when I was sixteen, I started doing my first rituals 1928 01:33:00.399 --> 01:33:04.640 and it did just unlocked it just started unlocking, everything 1929 01:33:04.680 --> 01:33:06.720 started working on the things I asked for. I just 1930 01:33:06.720 --> 01:33:09.079 started getting it started. It was blowing my mind and 1931 01:33:09.119 --> 01:33:11.880 I actually was for the first like maybe a year. 1932 01:33:12.159 --> 01:33:15.560 I was playing with it, trying to trying to get 1933 01:33:15.560 --> 01:33:17.760 it to fail. I was like, you know this is 1934 01:33:17.840 --> 01:33:19.600 I gotta be making this up. So let me just 1935 01:33:19.640 --> 01:33:21.880 start casting this spell. Let me get this cheerleader to 1936 01:33:21.880 --> 01:33:23.800 give me her number, let me do this. I was. 1937 01:33:23.840 --> 01:33:26.119 I was going for ridiculous stuff in high school. My 1938 01:33:26.960 --> 01:33:30.319 high school brain was going wild with the possibilities, and 1939 01:33:30.359 --> 01:33:35.720 nothing failed, Like every ritual was producing result after result 1940 01:33:35.800 --> 01:33:39.960 after result, and so d like it is it's always 1941 01:33:40.000 --> 01:33:42.359 been so exciting. Was like I found this thing, Like 1942 01:33:42.800 --> 01:33:46.720 what's inside this box? Guys, what's really crazy to me? 1943 01:33:46.760 --> 01:33:50.920 Because for me it's been I'm not going to say 1944 01:33:50.960 --> 01:33:53.760 nothing but positive, because for sure I've opened up some 1945 01:33:53.840 --> 01:33:56.159 doors and called some evil stuff, and I've cast some 1946 01:33:56.279 --> 01:33:59.239 curses and so it's not all nothing but positive. But 1947 01:34:00.039 --> 01:34:04.359 I am large ninety nine percent positive for me, for 1948 01:34:04.479 --> 01:34:07.119 everybody around me has done nothing but good. But what's 1949 01:34:07.159 --> 01:34:08.960 crazy to me is when I show people that what's 1950 01:34:09.000 --> 01:34:11.479 in the box, most people don't have the reaction you 1951 01:34:11.479 --> 01:34:14.000 guys have. Most people are like, what the hell are 1952 01:34:14.000 --> 01:34:15.880 you doing? You got to stop that song. 1953 01:34:15.920 --> 01:34:18.000 You got to find Jesus and this and that, Like 1954 01:34:18.319 --> 01:34:21.520 I already found Jesus and there's nothing, there's nothing there, Like, 1955 01:34:21.560 --> 01:34:23.760 I'm sorry, but I found the thing that all this 1956 01:34:23.800 --> 01:34:25.920 stuff is at and you got to check it out. 1957 01:34:26.000 --> 01:34:31.119 And that is the with a path like this, a 1958 01:34:31.239 --> 01:34:33.479 magical path, how do you guys put it? One of 1959 01:34:33.479 --> 01:34:38.239 you guys said that like an eclectic eclectic witchcraft, it's 1960 01:34:38.560 --> 01:34:40.520 not like there's one way to do it, there's one 1961 01:34:40.560 --> 01:34:43.239 set of gods to worship. It's everything, and it is 1962 01:34:43.560 --> 01:34:45.640 anything and everything that you want to include into your 1963 01:34:45.680 --> 01:34:48.079 magical system, included if you want to pray to Jesus, 1964 01:34:48.159 --> 01:34:50.239 that can be a definite part of your magical system. 1965 01:34:50.439 --> 01:34:52.560 If you absolutely never want to, you don't have. 1966 01:34:52.520 --> 01:34:55.760 To, right the things that don't work, take it out. Yeah, 1967 01:34:56.079 --> 01:34:57.039 that's the beauty of it. 1968 01:34:57.319 --> 01:35:00.960 Yeah, but magic almost anything works, man, Almost anything works. 1969 01:35:01.279 --> 01:35:01.520 Yeah. 1970 01:35:01.680 --> 01:35:05.159 Going back to the radionics too, Uh, you know, like 1971 01:35:05.239 --> 01:35:09.239 I use a lot less like blood, uh, with radionics 1972 01:35:09.239 --> 01:35:12.560 like a lot less. And uh, I mean just programming 1973 01:35:12.640 --> 01:35:14.880 a vigil candle because it fills it with so much 1974 01:35:14.920 --> 01:35:17.640 clean energy and then using that in a ritual. I 1975 01:35:17.640 --> 01:35:20.279 mean that's the closest to like plug and play that 1976 01:35:20.319 --> 01:35:22.960 I found with doing magic, where I can just do something, 1977 01:35:23.560 --> 01:35:26.239 do something and barely putting the effort into it and 1978 01:35:26.600 --> 01:35:27.479 it works really well. 1979 01:35:27.760 --> 01:35:32.199 You know, no, bro, when you say when you say 1980 01:35:32.239 --> 01:35:34.760 I'm using a lot less blood, it makes it sound 1981 01:35:34.800 --> 01:35:35.640 like you were using. 1982 01:35:36.760 --> 01:35:40.840 Oh yeah, yeah, No, I never, I never really, I 1983 01:35:40.840 --> 01:35:44.199 mean I I mean I guess like every vocation, you know, 1984 01:35:44.560 --> 01:35:46.920 I would use a few drops of blood or something 1985 01:35:47.239 --> 01:35:50.079 or stuff like that. But but like I said, with radionics, 1986 01:35:50.359 --> 01:35:52.319 I really stopped using it, and reradionics also kind of 1987 01:35:52.319 --> 01:35:56.000 shifted my whole mindset on uh you know, the concept 1988 01:35:56.039 --> 01:35:58.560 of offerings and stuff like that and putting energy into 1989 01:35:58.600 --> 01:36:00.880 it and the amount of energy that needs to go 1990 01:36:00.960 --> 01:36:03.279 into it. I kind of think more in terms of 1991 01:36:03.319 --> 01:36:06.880 like the energy side of it now. And uh and 1992 01:36:06.920 --> 01:36:10.720 so I really think like like just the act of 1993 01:36:10.760 --> 01:36:13.520 doing a ritual and an evocation, because you're putting a 1994 01:36:13.520 --> 01:36:16.000 lot of energy into it. You're giving the spirit a body, 1995 01:36:16.399 --> 01:36:18.960 You're communicating with it, You're creating a thought form and 1996 01:36:19.039 --> 01:36:22.399 releasing it of what you want. Uh So, just in 1997 01:36:22.479 --> 01:36:25.279 terms of energy alone. I think just a ritual alone 1998 01:36:25.479 --> 01:36:27.000 is pretty much enough offering. 1999 01:36:27.560 --> 01:36:30.479 You know, yeah, you're kind of just creating that that 2000 01:36:30.560 --> 01:36:33.439 space for that thing to allow that thing to happen 2001 01:36:33.439 --> 01:36:37.159 at that point. Yeah, Eric, I do have a question 2002 01:36:37.199 --> 01:36:39.479 for you, just for anybody out there that is just 2003 01:36:39.520 --> 01:36:41.720 now getting into this or is curious to see if 2004 01:36:41.720 --> 01:36:43.319 this works or are you. 2005 01:36:43.399 --> 01:36:45.319 Communicating with the dark Lord? 2006 01:36:45.439 --> 01:36:46.960 And you know, maybe you are a little bit, but 2007 01:36:47.600 --> 01:36:50.800 I'm just skidding, But whenever, whenever you're you're doing that 2008 01:36:50.840 --> 01:36:54.039 kind of stuff and you have people that are seemingly 2009 01:36:54.079 --> 01:36:56.439 interested in it and maybe want to just test the 2010 01:36:56.479 --> 01:36:58.720 validity of it a little bit, is there any like 2011 01:36:59.399 --> 01:37:03.279 really easy ritual or really easy evocation or spell or 2012 01:37:03.279 --> 01:37:05.159 something like that that they can do that it's not 2013 01:37:05.199 --> 01:37:08.039 going to ruin their life and make it go crazy, 2014 01:37:08.079 --> 01:37:11.039 but just something something simple that they can do to 2015 01:37:11.079 --> 01:37:12.880 where they can look at the rest of their day 2016 01:37:12.920 --> 01:37:14.520 or the next or the next coming days and. 2017 01:37:14.479 --> 01:37:17.159 Be like, oh shit, I did I just do that? 2018 01:37:17.520 --> 01:37:17.720 You know? 2019 01:37:17.840 --> 01:37:19.760 Is there anything like that? Like something simple? 2020 01:37:20.319 --> 01:37:22.359 All right? So, So I used to do a lot 2021 01:37:22.359 --> 01:37:26.399 of lectures and like you know, speaking in front of people, 2022 01:37:26.760 --> 01:37:28.600 and I'd get this question a lot where people would 2023 01:37:28.600 --> 01:37:30.880 want to walk home with something, and so so I 2024 01:37:30.920 --> 01:37:33.000 would give them. So here's one I tell you is 2025 01:37:33.000 --> 01:37:35.960 get a sigil or a rune. So for instance, I've 2026 01:37:36.000 --> 01:37:40.520 got Michael's sigil there, so that's just one of his sigils. 2027 01:37:40.720 --> 01:37:43.239 You can find a sigil, so if you find a 2028 01:37:43.319 --> 01:37:45.600 spirit that you want to call or a thing that 2029 01:37:45.640 --> 01:37:47.800 you want to make happen, so you can also use 2030 01:37:47.840 --> 01:37:50.039 a rune. You know, I don't know if I've got 2031 01:37:50.039 --> 01:37:53.000 any examples of rooms here, but here we are. I 2032 01:37:53.039 --> 01:37:55.720 got a buying ruin that I've created there a prayer 2033 01:37:55.760 --> 01:37:59.520 to the frost giants to invoke the knowledge of the unknowable. 2034 01:38:00.760 --> 01:38:02.239 So you know here you can copy and paste that 2035 01:38:02.279 --> 01:38:05.119 one if anybody wants to. But use a symbol. Find it. 2036 01:38:06.680 --> 01:38:10.119 Find a symbol that has a result that you want 2037 01:38:10.159 --> 01:38:12.039 to get in your life. And so make sure you 2038 01:38:12.039 --> 01:38:14.119 know if you're calling a spirit of wealth, you actually 2039 01:38:14.119 --> 01:38:15.880 do want wealth or whatever it is that you're calling, 2040 01:38:16.640 --> 01:38:18.760 and draw that on a piece of paper. You can 2041 01:38:18.760 --> 01:38:20.960 even just draw it in your notebook like I have here, 2042 01:38:21.319 --> 01:38:23.560 but do it in black marker, just like that, so 2043 01:38:23.600 --> 01:38:27.920 it's so it's nice and thick. Raw it, gaze it 2044 01:38:27.960 --> 01:38:31.119 gaze at it and think about the thing that you 2045 01:38:31.159 --> 01:38:34.079 want to have happen. So, you know, money, you want 2046 01:38:34.079 --> 01:38:36.239 to see that money in your hand or imagine your 2047 01:38:36.279 --> 01:38:38.800 bank account or whatever it's going to look like. For 2048 01:38:38.840 --> 01:38:40.960 the amount of money that you want. If now, if 2049 01:38:40.960 --> 01:38:45.840 this is your first time, keep it reasonable, don't go crazy. 2050 01:38:45.880 --> 01:38:48.520 I want a million dollars, keep it you know, I'll 2051 01:38:48.520 --> 01:38:50.680 find some extra money. You don't even put a price 2052 01:38:50.720 --> 01:38:52.560 on it or anything, but just kind of keep it 2053 01:38:52.600 --> 01:38:55.079 open and be open to whatever it is that that 2054 01:38:55.079 --> 01:39:00.000 that comes. But gaze at the sigil, relax your vision 2055 01:39:00.439 --> 01:39:04.119 while you're thinking and visualizing yourself having the thing you desire. Now, 2056 01:39:04.119 --> 01:39:06.800 this is the number one ingredient that's going to make 2057 01:39:06.840 --> 01:39:09.000 your magic work, and without it, your magic is not 2058 01:39:09.079 --> 01:39:11.359 going to work. And that is visualizing what you want 2059 01:39:11.399 --> 01:39:14.239 to have happen, seeing it in your mind as if 2060 01:39:14.279 --> 01:39:17.399 it's already happening, and then putting your emotions into it 2061 01:39:17.479 --> 01:39:20.279 because that's actually fitting at your energy. So what's it 2062 01:39:20.279 --> 01:39:21.960 going to feel like when that money comes? Is that 2063 01:39:22.000 --> 01:39:25.640 going to feel like relief? Excitement? Produce that feeling within 2064 01:39:25.680 --> 01:39:29.560 yourself as you're visualizing the end result, as you're gazing 2065 01:39:29.560 --> 01:39:32.760 at the sigual. I'm using the word gazing intentionally. You 2066 01:39:32.760 --> 01:39:35.199 don't want to stare at it. There's a specific kind 2067 01:39:35.239 --> 01:39:37.960 of vision that you're going to find yourself walking into 2068 01:39:38.439 --> 01:39:42.960 where you're super relaxed, and it's almost the same vision 2069 01:39:43.000 --> 01:39:44.600 you're going to use if you're looking at one of 2070 01:39:44.640 --> 01:39:47.800 those three D pictures that has a bunch of color 2071 01:39:47.840 --> 01:39:49.520 and then you look at it and a boat pops out. 2072 01:39:49.760 --> 01:39:52.039 It's like you want to relax your visions so much 2073 01:39:52.119 --> 01:39:55.239 that you start to fall into the sigil while you're 2074 01:39:55.239 --> 01:39:57.840 gazing at it, while you're visualizing, while you're feeling the 2075 01:39:57.840 --> 01:40:01.560 emotions that you're in the future. When the thing happens, 2076 01:40:02.760 --> 01:40:05.000 as you're doing this for just like a few seconds, 2077 01:40:05.000 --> 01:40:07.119 maybe a couple of minutes of most, you're going to 2078 01:40:07.199 --> 01:40:11.159 start having some interesting things happen with the sigil. The 2079 01:40:11.199 --> 01:40:14.920 lines of it might disappear like physically boomed, they're not 2080 01:40:14.960 --> 01:40:17.640 on the paper anymore, and then they reappear and they're glowing, 2081 01:40:18.079 --> 01:40:19.760 Or it might start to look like the whole sigil 2082 01:40:19.800 --> 01:40:22.199 lifts off of the paper and starts waving in the air. 2083 01:40:23.560 --> 01:40:26.720 Sometimes it'll start to look colored, like the blacking starts 2084 01:40:26.720 --> 01:40:30.079 to get rainbows. Inside of it. Just relaxed. Through that, 2085 01:40:30.239 --> 01:40:34.600 continue to visualize what you want to have happen. What 2086 01:40:34.640 --> 01:40:38.840 you're going to notice is your ability to visualize it 2087 01:40:38.880 --> 01:40:41.760 gets weaker and weaker because the energy of it is 2088 01:40:41.800 --> 01:40:44.520 going out of you into the sigital. The sigital is 2089 01:40:44.560 --> 01:40:47.760 becoming a gateway that's taking all of that energy and 2090 01:40:47.800 --> 01:40:49.960 pushing it towards the spirit or the realm that that 2091 01:40:50.039 --> 01:40:53.000 sigil is associated with. Once you're at a point that 2092 01:40:53.079 --> 01:40:56.119 you feel like and the visual phenomenon, anything you see, 2093 01:40:56.199 --> 01:40:58.600 that's just phenomenon. Don't worry about it, don't get too 2094 01:40:58.600 --> 01:41:00.399 invested in it. It's just a sign that you're on 2095 01:41:00.439 --> 01:41:02.760 the right track. You might also feel yourself getting a 2096 01:41:02.760 --> 01:41:04.600 little dizzy. Just stay with it. You're not going to 2097 01:41:04.640 --> 01:41:07.239 pass nobody nobody has ever died from gazing at a sigil. 2098 01:41:07.399 --> 01:41:10.680 Just stay with it. You'll be fine. And once you 2099 01:41:10.680 --> 01:41:12.920 get the point you can't, you can't hold the vision, 2100 01:41:12.960 --> 01:41:15.399 that is just not there anymore. That's a signal of 2101 01:41:15.439 --> 01:41:17.520 the energy's out of you. So then say out loud 2102 01:41:17.520 --> 01:41:18.920 what it is you want to have happened. If you're 2103 01:41:18.960 --> 01:41:22.760 calling a spirit, say as go into the world and 2104 01:41:22.800 --> 01:41:25.439 set me up the opportunities for the success that I need. 2105 01:41:25.960 --> 01:41:28.239 So it is done, and then blow out your candles, 2106 01:41:28.239 --> 01:41:31.039 blow out everything, and uh and go about your go 2107 01:41:31.119 --> 01:41:33.279 about your day. Fold up that sigull, take that paper 2108 01:41:33.319 --> 01:41:36.680 that you drew that on. So your first experiments is 2109 01:41:36.720 --> 01:41:38.319 best to put this on a piece of paper that 2110 01:41:38.359 --> 01:41:40.760 you can fold up and put somewhere, So not on 2111 01:41:40.800 --> 01:41:42.920 a notebook, but somewhere that you put somewhere so you 2112 01:41:42.960 --> 01:41:45.479 forget about it. Put it in your stock drawer, up 2113 01:41:45.479 --> 01:41:48.560 in a closet, out of sight, out of mind. That's 2114 01:41:48.600 --> 01:41:51.119 an open gateway, and so you just want to keep it, 2115 01:41:51.279 --> 01:41:53.199 keep it out of sight until the thing happens, and 2116 01:41:53.239 --> 01:41:55.119 then go find it and burn it once once the 2117 01:41:55.159 --> 01:41:57.279 thing has come about, it's a good idea to take 2118 01:41:57.319 --> 01:41:59.359 those signals or burn and burn them just to release 2119 01:41:59.399 --> 01:42:01.960 the game way. Thank the spirit at that point, Hey, 2120 01:42:02.000 --> 01:42:03.399 thanks for doing what you've done, and then release it. 2121 01:42:04.159 --> 01:42:07.760 So that's I know, that's not super simple, as simple 2122 01:42:07.760 --> 01:42:10.600 as like looking into a candle and chanting a few words. However, 2123 01:42:11.680 --> 01:42:14.159 that blows people. That knocks people socks off. Okay, so 2124 01:42:14.760 --> 01:42:16.840 I used to pass out. I would have a sigil. 2125 01:42:17.079 --> 01:42:20.359 Everybody likes money. Everybody nobody ever turns down a money 2126 01:42:20.399 --> 01:42:23.279 spell for some reason. So I'd pass out these magic 2127 01:42:23.359 --> 01:42:27.000 squares for money, and I just have them printed and 2128 01:42:27.039 --> 01:42:29.520 then on the back of the square, I had printed 2129 01:42:29.560 --> 01:42:32.720 out my email address, and so I had pass those 2130 01:42:32.760 --> 01:42:34.960 out to the audience. I'd had them through the visualization, 2131 01:42:35.439 --> 01:42:39.920 visualize yourself having the money, feel it happening, and then 2132 01:42:39.960 --> 01:42:41.920 it's after it's over, I'd say, you know, just email 2133 01:42:42.039 --> 01:42:44.399 me with any results that you guys happen to get. 2134 01:42:44.600 --> 01:42:49.199 And my email got flooded, usually within a week at 2135 01:42:49.239 --> 01:42:51.560 most some of them were two weeks, but usually within 2136 01:42:51.600 --> 01:42:54.039 a week. People are you I got the job promotion, 2137 01:42:54.239 --> 01:42:56.600 or I lost my job, and then another job came in. 2138 01:42:57.079 --> 01:42:59.319 All of a sudden, things start moving and turning and 2139 01:42:59.600 --> 01:43:02.199 very very strange ways. So this kind of magic that 2140 01:43:02.239 --> 01:43:05.239 I just explained is called sigil magic. It is considered 2141 01:43:05.279 --> 01:43:08.079 like advanced magic, but anybody can do it. You don't 2142 01:43:08.079 --> 01:43:09.720 have to have special skills. You just have to be 2143 01:43:09.760 --> 01:43:12.359 able to visualize what you want, gaze of the sigil 2144 01:43:12.399 --> 01:43:14.720 and and and let your energy get out of you. 2145 01:43:14.720 --> 01:43:18.159 Your your eyes are a powerful window, like a Byron 2146 01:43:18.239 --> 01:43:20.680 was saying about opening the chakras of your eyes. Your 2147 01:43:20.720 --> 01:43:25.000 eyes are powerful windows and gateways. And so if if 2148 01:43:25.039 --> 01:43:26.800 you're looking at something, this is another thing with the 2149 01:43:26.840 --> 01:43:29.199 time and attention that you're you're you're you're sending your 2150 01:43:29.279 --> 01:43:32.880 energy towards. Your eyes can direct where that attention goes. 2151 01:43:33.279 --> 01:43:36.000 Look at a photo of somebody and think about them, 2152 01:43:36.079 --> 01:43:38.760 and they will feel you. They'll feel what you're thinking 2153 01:43:38.800 --> 01:43:41.720 and feeling if you're if you're connecting with them through 2154 01:43:41.960 --> 01:43:45.359 through your eyes. Look at somebody across the room. You 2155 01:43:45.920 --> 01:43:48.079 want a girl to get you, you want get a girl's attention, 2156 01:43:48.159 --> 01:43:50.359 Just stare at her for a minute and really push 2157 01:43:50.439 --> 01:43:52.600 your attention forward. She'll feel you and look over and 2158 01:43:53.479 --> 01:43:54.000 color over. 2159 01:43:54.319 --> 01:43:56.960 So yeah, color dude. 2160 01:43:57.279 --> 01:43:59.319 And you know we've talked about this too as far 2161 01:43:59.319 --> 01:44:03.640 as like sigil and stuff like that. It's you know what, 2162 01:44:03.840 --> 01:44:06.039 whenever I hear it from people like you and from 2163 01:44:06.079 --> 01:44:08.880 people like Byron, it's like, I feel like everything that 2164 01:44:08.880 --> 01:44:11.359 we've talked about, like leading up to this point has 2165 01:44:11.439 --> 01:44:14.600 been on the right path, because that's perfectly in line 2166 01:44:14.680 --> 01:44:18.520 with how we have done our own kind of spells 2167 01:44:18.560 --> 01:44:20.560 and like we did a money spell, we've done love 2168 01:44:20.600 --> 01:44:24.600 spells and all these other things, and and it seems 2169 01:44:24.640 --> 01:44:26.880 to work all the same way. You know that that 2170 01:44:27.000 --> 01:44:29.600 sigil kind of magic in that sense. So yeah, it's 2171 01:44:29.720 --> 01:44:32.119 I mean, look, if anybody's out there that doesn't believe 2172 01:44:32.159 --> 01:44:34.600 that this stuff works, or you know, is scared to 2173 01:44:34.640 --> 01:44:37.239 try it, I mean, is there any reason to believe 2174 01:44:37.319 --> 01:44:40.560 that if a if a spell or an evocation or 2175 01:44:40.600 --> 01:44:43.039 a ritual, is there any reason to believe that, if 2176 01:44:43.039 --> 01:44:46.399 any of that actually does work, that now you're in 2177 01:44:46.520 --> 01:44:48.960 control of that demon or something like that. 2178 01:44:49.039 --> 01:44:50.239 I always hear that all the time. 2179 01:44:50.279 --> 01:44:52.159 Well it's like, yeah, they'll give you what they want 2180 01:44:52.359 --> 01:44:54.039 or they'll give you what you want, but then you 2181 01:44:54.079 --> 01:44:55.359 know they control you. 2182 01:44:55.640 --> 01:44:58.520 Is is there anything like that connected to that stuff? 2183 01:44:59.479 --> 01:45:01.600 No, no, they're not, not that they control you. But 2184 01:45:01.600 --> 01:45:03.960 but but here, look, I'm glad you brought this up 2185 01:45:03.960 --> 01:45:06.079 because because there is I think there's a moment to 2186 01:45:06.720 --> 01:45:09.720 give some responsible warnings about this, because because you do 2187 01:45:09.800 --> 01:45:13.119 need to be responsible about this, because it's real. Like 2188 01:45:13.159 --> 01:45:16.079 the spirits you're you're you're you're calling, it's not just 2189 01:45:16.119 --> 01:45:18.479 parts of your mind. They're actually real, and they actually 2190 01:45:18.479 --> 01:45:21.279 do come and they start they start re arranging your reality. 2191 01:45:21.640 --> 01:45:25.319 And so the very first thing I'm gonna tell you 2192 01:45:25.439 --> 01:45:28.960 is here's the big here, here's here's the biggest harm 2193 01:45:29.159 --> 01:45:32.720 that I can see. That's that's a constant. You become 2194 01:45:32.840 --> 01:45:37.279 like the things you surround yourself with. So you could 2195 01:45:37.279 --> 01:45:40.840 be a happy, go lucky person, and then somebody pisses 2196 01:45:40.880 --> 01:45:45.640 you off and you do a purse on them. Then 2197 01:45:45.680 --> 01:45:49.600 you've got a spirit that's a baneful energy spirit that's 2198 01:45:49.640 --> 01:45:52.439 around you, and that spirit wants more of that interaction, 2199 01:45:52.479 --> 01:45:54.439 and it wants your time and attention again now that 2200 01:45:54.479 --> 01:45:57.359 it's made connection with you, Hey, don't you think this 2201 01:45:57.359 --> 01:46:00.039 person needs to be cursed too? Hey? What about that 2202 01:46:00.119 --> 01:46:01.920 person over there? They start pointing out the people that 2203 01:46:01.960 --> 01:46:04.000 need be cursed because they want to be activated again 2204 01:46:04.039 --> 01:46:07.760 in your life. And and so you can go down 2205 01:46:07.880 --> 01:46:12.920 really slippery slopes with opening doorways of I'm going to 2206 01:46:13.000 --> 01:46:15.000 do this thing, and then you want to do it 2207 01:46:15.039 --> 01:46:17.319 more and more. And it's not And it is literally 2208 01:46:17.359 --> 01:46:19.920 the forces you have around you whispering into your ear, 2209 01:46:20.439 --> 01:46:23.479 guiding you to just activate them one more time. So 2210 01:46:24.640 --> 01:46:26.199 and it's not that it's not that if you do 2211 01:46:26.359 --> 01:46:28.800 one curse on somebody or you call one demon, that 2212 01:46:28.840 --> 01:46:31.640 forever it's going to be haunting you. Maybe it could 2213 01:46:31.680 --> 01:46:35.199 be I think you need to overwhelm yourself with the 2214 01:46:35.239 --> 01:46:38.079 spirits that you want to be like. And so you know, 2215 01:46:38.319 --> 01:46:41.319 the allSome call some dark spirits, if you need to 2216 01:46:41.319 --> 01:46:43.960 call some dark spirits, but make sure that unless you 2217 01:46:44.039 --> 01:46:46.640 want to become dark, that you're calling mostly light spirits, 2218 01:46:46.760 --> 01:46:48.600 or if you want to become dark, all the dark 2219 01:46:48.640 --> 01:46:50.479 spirits you want, because you're going to become like them. 2220 01:46:50.800 --> 01:46:53.079 And so that's the biggest thing there is that that 2221 01:46:53.079 --> 01:46:55.960 that you are, you're going to develop a spiritual momentum 2222 01:46:56.000 --> 01:47:00.159 in the direction that you travel. The second thing is 2223 01:47:00.159 --> 01:47:05.880 is that one this is this is hard to conceptualize. 2224 01:47:05.960 --> 01:47:11.319 Once you make contact with the spirit, it's with you forever. 2225 01:47:12.000 --> 01:47:16.279 It's with you forever. And when I say forever, that's 2226 01:47:16.279 --> 01:47:17.880 the end of the future. It's going to continue to 2227 01:47:17.960 --> 01:47:20.600 linger around you. Anytime you want to activate that spirit. 2228 01:47:20.640 --> 01:47:22.000 All you do you gotta do is think about it, 2229 01:47:22.039 --> 01:47:24.960 and it's there. But then you start noticing how that 2230 01:47:25.000 --> 01:47:28.119 spirit's been there in the past too, all the way back, 2231 01:47:28.720 --> 01:47:31.039 especially as you make stronger connections with it. It's like 2232 01:47:31.840 --> 01:47:34.359 Azazel is a spirit I probably work with the most, 2233 01:47:34.880 --> 01:47:36.960 and I'm like, dude, he was he was there my 2234 01:47:36.960 --> 01:47:39.159 whole life. I can see him. He was I had 2235 01:47:39.319 --> 01:47:42.359 I had some some weird dark thing hanging out in 2236 01:47:42.359 --> 01:47:45.119 the closet with glowing green eyes, and now I find out, oh, 2237 01:47:45.199 --> 01:47:47.159 that was him, and he was. He was not there 2238 01:47:47.199 --> 01:47:49.399 haunting me. He was actually there protecting and guiding me 2239 01:47:49.439 --> 01:47:52.520 as a child. And so so you start to see 2240 01:47:52.560 --> 01:47:54.399 things where it's like I didn't even see it, maybe 2241 01:47:54.479 --> 01:47:57.479 didn't even remember it until making contact with the spirit, 2242 01:47:57.560 --> 01:48:01.640 and then you can see the reflections of it outwards forever. 2243 01:48:02.119 --> 01:48:04.840 And so with that, yeah, you got to be careful 2244 01:48:04.880 --> 01:48:07.560 about the spirits that you call into your sphere of 2245 01:48:07.600 --> 01:48:11.079 sensation because they're always going to be lingering there. They're 2246 01:48:11.079 --> 01:48:16.199 always going to have and and most magicians won't say 2247 01:48:16.239 --> 01:48:19.000 this because they don't want to admit the truth. The 2248 01:48:19.039 --> 01:48:22.039 spirits will have influence over you. They are whispering in 2249 01:48:22.079 --> 01:48:24.680 your ear, they are pulling your your your desires there 2250 01:48:24.720 --> 01:48:29.800 that they are stirring things up and uh and so yeah, now, 2251 01:48:30.640 --> 01:48:32.199 for the most part, if it's the spirit that you 2252 01:48:32.239 --> 01:48:35.039 can summon, you can also talk to it and just say, hey, 2253 01:48:35.079 --> 01:48:36.960 I don't want you around me anymore, you know, cut 2254 01:48:36.960 --> 01:48:39.680 off all the presents, and they will they will they're 2255 01:48:39.720 --> 01:48:42.000 not going to come too easily. If you call them again, 2256 01:48:42.079 --> 01:48:44.119 you know, you got like one chance to kick them 2257 01:48:44.119 --> 01:48:47.880 out of your life basically. But but so so there 2258 01:48:47.880 --> 01:48:49.680 are things like that. But that's that. That is the 2259 01:48:49.720 --> 01:48:52.439 precaution you need to take is be don't don't be 2260 01:48:52.880 --> 01:48:55.399 willing nilly about the spirits that you invite into your life. 2261 01:48:55.439 --> 01:48:59.600 It's it is, it's it's not just inviting a stranger 2262 01:48:59.600 --> 01:49:01.560 into your home. It's inviting them into your bedroom to 2263 01:49:01.560 --> 01:49:03.279 get naked and lay in bed with you. Like this 2264 01:49:03.399 --> 01:49:07.000 is an intimate connection you're making with every spirit man. 2265 01:49:07.960 --> 01:49:12.359 Wow, building uh, building a solid foundation first will make 2266 01:49:12.399 --> 01:49:15.159 it less jarring. But you know, especially with like some 2267 01:49:15.199 --> 01:49:18.000 of these like uh like non human spirits and stuff, 2268 01:49:18.119 --> 01:49:19.800 you know, like they have been around forever. These are 2269 01:49:19.840 --> 01:49:22.720 like forces of nature, you know, if you're not prepared 2270 01:49:22.800 --> 01:49:25.840 for it. And then there's there's like regular pittholes too, 2271 01:49:26.039 --> 01:49:28.680 because you got you know a lot of people especially 2272 01:49:28.720 --> 01:49:31.359 in the left hand path, uh, you know, are coping 2273 01:49:31.520 --> 01:49:36.520 with like religious trauma, physical traumas, you know, sexual trauma, 2274 01:49:36.600 --> 01:49:39.760 like and then and then there is like this kind 2275 01:49:39.760 --> 01:49:42.960 of edgy coolness to it, you know, I mean, which 2276 01:49:43.000 --> 01:49:44.720 I understand you know, I'm a metal head. I played 2277 01:49:44.760 --> 01:49:47.279 in a bunch of metal metal bands. I love brutality. 2278 01:49:47.720 --> 01:49:51.039 You know, you want more brutality, not less, you know. 2279 01:49:51.239 --> 01:49:54.800 But you know, but so so there's always gonna be 2280 01:49:54.920 --> 01:49:59.399 uh pitfalls, you know. I think it's important to work 2281 01:49:59.439 --> 01:50:02.600 towards being in a grounded person because you know, like 2282 01:50:02.680 --> 01:50:05.199 these energies can't corrupt your life if you're not careful, 2283 01:50:05.800 --> 01:50:09.039 you know, especially if you're a polarized person, you know, 2284 01:50:09.159 --> 01:50:11.520 which which I feel like we saw a lot, you know, 2285 01:50:11.640 --> 01:50:16.439 since like twenty sixteen, really twenty twenty, but I think 2286 01:50:16.439 --> 01:50:19.680 if you're like a really polarized person, you know. But but 2287 01:50:19.800 --> 01:50:21.439 here's here's the other rub. You know, it's like a 2288 01:50:21.439 --> 01:50:24.359 lot of people are just on their journey. So you 2289 01:50:24.399 --> 01:50:26.319 know a lot of these pitfalls are going to be 2290 01:50:26.359 --> 01:50:28.159 for like a twenty one year old more than a 2291 01:50:28.199 --> 01:50:32.359 forty five year old, you know. Yeah, so so part 2292 01:50:32.399 --> 01:50:34.399 of it is just learning and growing, you know, everyone's 2293 01:50:34.439 --> 01:50:35.279 on their own journey. 2294 01:50:35.800 --> 01:50:41.039 But yeah, and speaking of that journey too, Ea, I 2295 01:50:41.039 --> 01:50:43.319 wanted to ask you because and we've heard a lot 2296 01:50:43.359 --> 01:50:46.319 of it from Lord Byron as far as radionics and 2297 01:50:46.359 --> 01:50:49.279 how much of a major help it is I mean, 2298 01:50:49.359 --> 01:50:52.840 can you describe, you know, the ways that radionics machines 2299 01:50:52.880 --> 01:50:54.600 are helping you within your magic. 2300 01:50:55.680 --> 01:50:58.760 Yeah. Absolutely, you only swill my camera just a little bit. 2301 01:50:58.800 --> 01:51:01.199 So in the corner there you can see I've got 2302 01:51:01.199 --> 01:51:05.119 a vangraft generator that generates static electricity. And then over 2303 01:51:05.159 --> 01:51:07.680 to the television set. Everything in that corner is my 2304 01:51:07.800 --> 01:51:12.800 radio set up, and it's nuts. It's nutballs. It is nutballs. 2305 01:51:14.439 --> 01:51:16.279 You fire it up and I've got to hooked up 2306 01:51:16.279 --> 01:51:18.199 to an amp so you can hear I can hear 2307 01:51:18.239 --> 01:51:21.319 the frequencies. And so I'll power it up and I'll 2308 01:51:21.319 --> 01:51:23.359 hear the frequencies just throbbing through the room. I'll get 2309 01:51:23.359 --> 01:51:26.279 them dialed. I've got a two frequency generator, so i 2310 01:51:26.279 --> 01:51:28.920 can get to get two frequencies that kind of butt 2311 01:51:29.000 --> 01:51:31.800 up against each other and they create a fluttering effect, 2312 01:51:31.880 --> 01:51:34.039 and that fluttering effect creates a ghost wave or a 2313 01:51:34.079 --> 01:51:36.680 phantom wave, and that's actually the magical wave that i 2314 01:51:36.720 --> 01:51:39.039 want to harner. So I've got specific frequencies i'll tune 2315 01:51:39.039 --> 01:51:41.399 it into for that and then and then I've got 2316 01:51:41.479 --> 01:51:44.840 some of the the you know, personal devices that I'll 2317 01:51:44.920 --> 01:51:47.560 use to fine tune it all. But it is it's 2318 01:51:47.680 --> 01:51:52.119 nuts because it is technology, the very very simple technology 2319 01:51:52.560 --> 01:51:56.399 that because it really it literally is just frequencies. It's 2320 01:51:56.600 --> 01:52:03.039 that's the whole technology is frequencies and and and those 2321 01:52:03.079 --> 01:52:06.399 frequencies do come together to create a field, and it's 2322 01:52:06.439 --> 01:52:08.920 not I'll have a lot of people come through. I 2323 01:52:09.359 --> 01:52:10.840 throw a lot of parties. I've got a lot of 2324 01:52:10.920 --> 01:52:13.000 cool friends that i like to hang out with. I'll 2325 01:52:13.039 --> 01:52:16.000 have people through here that don't have any connection with 2326 01:52:16.039 --> 01:52:20.079 anything spiritual and they'll come in and all. It's kind 2327 01:52:20.079 --> 01:52:22.840 of one of the little tricks I'll do for a company. 2328 01:52:22.880 --> 01:52:24.720 You know, most of the stuff I do is really weird. 2329 01:52:24.800 --> 01:52:26.279 They don't people don't know what to make of it. 2330 01:52:26.720 --> 01:52:28.520 But I'll call this my wish machine. I'm like, hey, 2331 01:52:28.520 --> 01:52:30.600 come in, we're gonna make a wish of the wish machine. 2332 01:52:30.640 --> 01:52:32.800 And they're like what, So we'll fire it up and 2333 01:52:33.399 --> 01:52:35.319 then we'll have them put their hands on it and 2334 01:52:35.359 --> 01:52:38.119 they walk away charged like I don't know what that was, 2335 01:52:38.159 --> 01:52:42.640 But why I do that? It is a very physical energy. 2336 01:52:44.239 --> 01:52:46.920 But here's here's really where it came into play for me. 2337 01:52:48.159 --> 01:52:51.159 I do a lot of rituals for for clients, and 2338 01:52:52.880 --> 01:52:56.319 I was going through a we did a sale where 2339 01:52:56.359 --> 01:52:58.520 it was I don't know half off of our rituals, 2340 01:52:58.520 --> 01:53:00.479 and we promoted it all over the place, so we 2341 01:53:00.520 --> 01:53:03.640 had I was getting a ritual, a ritual a day 2342 01:53:03.680 --> 01:53:05.880 that I was happening to do for people, and that 2343 01:53:06.000 --> 01:53:07.560 was on top of all my other stuff that I 2344 01:53:07.560 --> 01:53:10.039 had to do. And the way I was running my 2345 01:53:10.159 --> 01:53:12.720 rituals is I would I would set up the whole ritual, 2346 01:53:12.960 --> 01:53:15.640 I'd do it, and then I would I would put 2347 01:53:15.640 --> 01:53:18.920 myself emotionally into the place of the person I'm trying 2348 01:53:18.920 --> 01:53:22.159 to help. I'd fill their situation with as much empathy 2349 01:53:22.199 --> 01:53:24.880 as I could, and I would squeeze myself to get 2350 01:53:24.920 --> 01:53:26.800 all of my energy to come out sometimes you know, 2351 01:53:27.319 --> 01:53:29.399 yelling and screaming if I need to do that for 2352 01:53:29.439 --> 01:53:32.079 a ritual, or weeping for just anything that I could 2353 01:53:32.119 --> 01:53:34.840 squeeze myself to get every drop of energy I could 2354 01:53:34.840 --> 01:53:39.199 for these rituals. And I was running myself ragged, ragged 2355 01:53:39.319 --> 01:53:44.159 and in a million ways. That was breaking me down. 2356 01:53:45.000 --> 01:53:47.760 And that's actually when I when I finally was like, 2357 01:53:47.800 --> 01:53:49.560 you know what, let me let me give this rating 2358 01:53:49.600 --> 01:53:54.039 on and stuff a try, because if I can use 2359 01:53:54.720 --> 01:53:57.920 just something else to supplement my power, I've got I've 2360 01:53:57.920 --> 01:54:01.439 got enough power for myself and for a ritual whatever. 2361 01:54:01.479 --> 01:54:03.319 You know, maybe a couple of rituals a week for people, 2362 01:54:03.319 --> 01:54:06.159 but damn, that's a lot. It's just just to supplement. 2363 01:54:07.000 --> 01:54:09.680 And what what I found is that it does. It's 2364 01:54:09.720 --> 01:54:11.720 so much more in that because because literally you're opening 2365 01:54:11.800 --> 01:54:15.399 up a portal, an infinite portal, and then just any 2366 01:54:15.600 --> 01:54:18.079 any energy you want, you just pull it from that portal. 2367 01:54:18.119 --> 01:54:20.920 You don't need to squeeze yourself, you don't need to try, 2368 01:54:20.960 --> 01:54:23.239 you don't need to feel whatever if if that comes 2369 01:54:23.279 --> 01:54:26.159 through naturally. Sometimes it does. Sometimes I'll turn the device on, 2370 01:54:26.439 --> 01:54:28.600 I'll start turning the dials, and I'll start weeping for 2371 01:54:28.720 --> 01:54:30.399 the person that I'm doing the ritual for, if they're 2372 01:54:30.399 --> 01:54:33.359 going through some heavy and so so you can fill 2373 01:54:33.399 --> 01:54:35.840 yourself tuning into it, but you don't have to squeeze 2374 01:54:35.880 --> 01:54:38.840 yourself anymore because the power is just coming through the portal. 2375 01:54:39.159 --> 01:54:42.880 And that that was a game changer for me with radionics, 2376 01:54:42.880 --> 01:54:45.439 but also just with the way I approach magic. Rather 2377 01:54:45.479 --> 01:54:48.079 than squeezing myself, let me just turn it over to 2378 01:54:48.119 --> 01:54:50.119 the powers, let me let me open the door. All 2379 01:54:50.119 --> 01:54:51.840 I got to do is open the door and let 2380 01:54:51.880 --> 01:54:54.520 the magic and let the gods and let let let 2381 01:54:54.560 --> 01:54:56.720 it do the rest. My job can be as easy 2382 01:54:56.720 --> 01:55:01.359 as opening the door. And so so radionics radiois comes 2383 01:55:01.359 --> 01:55:05.119 into play because it can force that door open and 2384 01:55:05.199 --> 01:55:07.439 it actually acts as what I call a door stopper, 2385 01:55:07.920 --> 01:55:09.600 So you can jam it in the door and leave 2386 01:55:09.640 --> 01:55:12.039 the door open and we walk away. Go do your 2387 01:55:12.079 --> 01:55:15.560 own thing, and it's doing it all day long. So yeah, 2388 01:55:16.159 --> 01:55:20.600 complete game changer. As a professional magician doing rituals for people, 2389 01:55:20.640 --> 01:55:25.239 getting like I demand that I get good success. My 2390 01:55:25.399 --> 01:55:28.760 clients demand that I get success. The rituals have to work. 2391 01:55:29.119 --> 01:55:32.239 And so so with that it's like I can I 2392 01:55:32.279 --> 01:55:34.560 know how to do it for myself. But being able 2393 01:55:34.600 --> 01:55:37.319 to add that element of radionics in, now there's no 2394 01:55:37.439 --> 01:55:39.279 question about it. Fired up boom. I don't have to 2395 01:55:39.279 --> 01:55:42.840 squeeze myself. The rituals work every time, no questions ask. 2396 01:55:42.960 --> 01:55:46.359 It does turn it into I can't remember the way 2397 01:55:46.439 --> 01:55:48.640 Myron said it, but it's like a much more systematic approach. 2398 01:55:48.680 --> 01:55:51.199 You just plug it in, do your thing and it's 2399 01:55:51.239 --> 01:55:51.760 good to go. 2400 01:55:52.039 --> 01:55:54.840 Yeah, plug and play and the extra energy is important. 2401 01:55:55.399 --> 01:55:58.279 But we're talking about bringing friends over and they can 2402 01:55:58.279 --> 01:56:03.880 feel the charge. I uh had a client down in Australia. 2403 01:56:04.079 --> 01:56:07.319 She got a broadcaster that's like the small one with 2404 01:56:07.399 --> 01:56:10.199 the antenna on it, and she was working through the 2405 01:56:10.199 --> 01:56:12.960 cliff off and I think she might have been on 2406 01:56:13.000 --> 01:56:20.439 the Mars sphere, but uh, she had that running in 2407 01:56:20.479 --> 01:56:22.880 her temple and the same time she had painters over 2408 01:56:23.720 --> 01:56:25.680 and so when they would come up to the door 2409 01:56:25.720 --> 01:56:28.159 of the temple, they would like walk as far away 2410 01:56:28.600 --> 01:56:31.000 from the door as possible and make this big like 2411 01:56:31.159 --> 01:56:34.119 arching walk around it. They could totally feel it. They 2412 01:56:34.119 --> 01:56:36.439 were totally they couldn't even want to be around that room. 2413 01:56:36.600 --> 01:56:38.600 They they were just totally picking up on that energy 2414 01:56:38.600 --> 01:56:41.479 because she had you know, that going. That's so there's 2415 01:56:41.680 --> 01:56:42.920 there's a lot you can do with that as far 2416 01:56:42.920 --> 01:56:44.760 as magic, because you know, you can prime. You can 2417 01:56:44.800 --> 01:56:48.399 prime yourself, but you can also prime your room. You know, 2418 01:56:48.880 --> 01:56:52.600 prime all your materials all in advance, you know, like 2419 01:56:52.800 --> 01:56:55.119 Eric was mentioning, you know, give yourself a lot more energy, 2420 01:56:55.479 --> 01:56:57.279 which is important because like when you first mentioned your 2421 01:56:57.319 --> 01:56:58.880 doing a ritual every day, I was like, man, that's 2422 01:56:58.880 --> 01:57:01.520 not even enough time to recover, you know, because ritual 2423 01:57:01.560 --> 01:57:04.279 fatigue is a real thing, you know, And. 2424 01:57:06.159 --> 01:57:08.960 Did I show you this Eric, I don't think I 2425 01:57:08.680 --> 01:57:09.479 saw this yet. 2426 01:57:09.720 --> 01:57:14.600 The zombie I made a beefed up vampire box, all right, 2427 01:57:14.720 --> 01:57:17.880 So here's a regular vampire box. Here's a beefed up one, 2428 01:57:18.439 --> 01:57:22.640 and uh has seven crystals, two input jacks, two output 2429 01:57:22.720 --> 01:57:25.560 jacks inputting out put. The cases that I'm using too 2430 01:57:25.600 --> 01:57:27.399 also have these little holes. If you wanted to put 2431 01:57:27.399 --> 01:57:31.680 it on the wall, you could, you know. But but 2432 01:57:32.159 --> 01:57:36.239 the vampire box, man, that's a that's a lifesaver. Man, 2433 01:57:36.399 --> 01:57:40.319 that's a that's an important machine to have. But really, 2434 01:57:40.399 --> 01:57:43.399 but any machine will will act as a vampire box. Really, 2435 01:57:43.520 --> 01:57:47.319 you know, pretty much acted as a vampire box if 2436 01:57:47.359 --> 01:57:47.920 you use it. 2437 01:57:48.000 --> 01:57:48.199 Right. 2438 01:57:48.560 --> 01:57:51.880 The fact that those things work as well as y'all 2439 01:57:51.920 --> 01:57:54.880 say that they do it is just unreal. Anybody that 2440 01:57:55.000 --> 01:57:57.399 is performing any kind of magic or rituals, I don't 2441 01:57:57.399 --> 01:58:01.119 know why you wouldn't incorporate it, like even simple little things, 2442 01:58:01.600 --> 01:58:03.520 maybe even I mean, is that something that you can 2443 01:58:03.560 --> 01:58:07.199 incorporate into your own like daily practice in some kind 2444 01:58:07.199 --> 01:58:10.039 of way, not even necessarily trying to perform some kind 2445 01:58:10.079 --> 01:58:11.760 of outright crazy ritual. 2446 01:58:13.359 --> 01:58:15.359 Radioitor is Yeah, So. 2447 01:58:16.039 --> 01:58:17.840 I'll take my I'll take my system. Let's say I'm 2448 01:58:17.840 --> 01:58:21.319 gonna uh, call a spirit. I mean, I'll do my 2449 01:58:21.439 --> 01:58:25.239 regular evocation process, do the candles and the incense, but 2450 01:58:25.279 --> 01:58:27.119 then I'll go take the sigital that I'm that I've 2451 01:58:27.119 --> 01:58:28.840 got for the spirit and go take it over the radio, 2452 01:58:28.840 --> 01:58:31.560 honest blast that. As soon as I've got the frequencies 2453 01:58:31.600 --> 01:58:33.520 locked in, just radiate them through the room so I 2454 01:58:33.520 --> 01:58:35.439 can hear and feel it and then come back to 2455 01:58:35.439 --> 01:58:37.880 the ritual and it's amplified. And so yeah, you can. 2456 01:58:38.159 --> 01:58:39.920 You can do that, and you can and and and 2457 01:58:40.079 --> 01:58:43.079 you should have to absolutely use it, use it as 2458 01:58:43.880 --> 01:58:45.920 a supplement to all of your rituals. And it is 2459 01:58:45.960 --> 01:58:49.399 just going to add that. Uh it does. It adds 2460 01:58:49.600 --> 01:58:52.479 a layer that I don't I don't know that there's 2461 01:58:52.560 --> 01:58:54.720 any other way that that that that this has been 2462 01:58:54.760 --> 01:58:58.680 able to be accessed, honestly, Like I don't know though, No, Okay, 2463 01:58:58.920 --> 01:59:01.039 well no, because because even if you get into like 2464 01:59:01.119 --> 01:59:03.479 deep yoga states and these kinds of things, it's a 2465 01:59:03.479 --> 01:59:06.880 different thing. This is a portal, an energetic portal that 2466 01:59:06.880 --> 01:59:12.479 you're freaking opening up. It's nuts, Like, it is completely different. 2467 01:59:12.680 --> 01:59:15.720 It's almost the same. You could almost do the same 2468 01:59:15.760 --> 01:59:18.079 stuff with magic that you can do with radionics. But 2469 01:59:18.079 --> 01:59:19.800 there's just some things you can do with radionics. I 2470 01:59:19.800 --> 01:59:21.960 don't think you can do with magic, you know, but 2471 01:59:22.119 --> 01:59:25.359 ideally you need both, you know. And I still think 2472 01:59:25.680 --> 01:59:28.439 for the most part, I think magic is a little faster, 2473 01:59:29.319 --> 01:59:32.640 can be a little faster depending on how you do it. 2474 01:59:33.520 --> 01:59:38.079 But sometimes radionics, you know, I mean, sometimes it'll work 2475 01:59:38.079 --> 01:59:39.640 as soon as you turn it on, but sometimes it 2476 01:59:39.680 --> 01:59:42.439 takes a while for that thought form to build and 2477 01:59:42.880 --> 01:59:43.840 to see it manifest. 2478 01:59:44.000 --> 01:59:46.960 So yeah, I just kind of wanted to throw it 2479 01:59:46.960 --> 01:59:49.079 out there for anybody that was curious about how that 2480 01:59:49.159 --> 01:59:52.279 worked and how much it was actually able to amplify 2481 01:59:52.399 --> 01:59:54.399 your workings and all that kind of stuff, because I 2482 01:59:54.439 --> 01:59:56.920 think that especially a lot of the listeners of this show, 2483 01:59:56.960 --> 01:59:59.960 I mean, we're very open minded. We look at things 2484 02:00:00.199 --> 02:00:03.359 from a different point of view, not necessarily what's good 2485 02:00:03.520 --> 02:00:07.119 what's evil, but like how does it work? And and 2486 02:00:07.199 --> 02:00:10.560 that's you know, I think that, you know, everybody's going 2487 02:00:10.600 --> 02:00:13.880 to have their perspective on certain things, and I think that, 2488 02:00:14.319 --> 02:00:17.399 you know, personally, the what I've been able to do, 2489 02:00:17.520 --> 02:00:20.680 just within my own mind is instead of labeling something 2490 02:00:20.760 --> 02:00:24.960 good or bad or you know, godly or demonic or 2491 02:00:25.000 --> 02:00:26.920 something like that, I'm just just look at it for 2492 02:00:26.960 --> 02:00:28.800 what it is and what it does in that sense, 2493 02:00:28.960 --> 02:00:31.640 and that's that's helped me, you know, understand it a 2494 02:00:31.680 --> 02:00:33.840 lot more, just trying to understand it, you know, just 2495 02:00:33.880 --> 02:00:38.199 trying to help my mind. Yeah, I don't know, digest 2496 02:00:38.239 --> 02:00:39.039 it in a sense. 2497 02:00:39.680 --> 02:00:42.640 We we we've got to use Uh it's like we've 2498 02:00:42.640 --> 02:00:45.800 got plunky interfaces with with with all of this stuff 2499 02:00:45.800 --> 02:00:49.560 because we're dealing with such a with such high dimensional 2500 02:00:49.760 --> 02:00:51.880 stuff that it's hard for our brains to even know 2501 02:00:51.880 --> 02:00:54.119 what to do with it. And so almost all of 2502 02:00:54.159 --> 02:00:56.680 it is is concocted through you know, even as we're 2503 02:00:56.680 --> 02:01:00.000 talking about the the you know, using magic, and these 2504 02:01:00.039 --> 02:01:03.680 are different technologies using you know, different symbolism to try 2505 02:01:03.720 --> 02:01:10.119 to access So as a I dove really deep into 2506 02:01:10.640 --> 02:01:13.720 ruine magic and Norse sourcery over this last year. I've 2507 02:01:13.720 --> 02:01:15.680 written a whole book on ruine magic. It'll be coming 2508 02:01:15.680 --> 02:01:20.399 out this winter sometime. And with that, I kept coming 2509 02:01:20.399 --> 02:01:24.640 across this thing as I was studying the the EDAs 2510 02:01:24.640 --> 02:01:27.760 and the poetic edis and the sagas that are actually 2511 02:01:27.760 --> 02:01:30.119 the like the code offied, like the stories of what 2512 02:01:30.279 --> 02:01:35.319 happened back then, and this term keeps coming up the 2513 02:01:35.399 --> 02:01:38.439 other side, and the other side is capitalized the O 2514 02:01:38.720 --> 02:01:42.279 is capitalized, and it's one word other side, And I 2515 02:01:42.319 --> 02:01:44.079 was like, what the fuck is this other side? So 2516 02:01:44.119 --> 02:01:46.960 I started digging in, killing back the layers. And that's 2517 02:01:47.000 --> 02:01:50.359 the term that the Norse would use for everything that's 2518 02:01:50.439 --> 02:01:53.840 not part of this normal physical world. It's all the 2519 02:01:53.880 --> 02:01:56.920 other side. We got our side, this little tiny side, 2520 02:01:56.960 --> 02:01:59.479 and then the other side. But that's that's exactly what 2521 02:01:59.560 --> 02:02:02.199 all of these things are trying. Whether it's magic or 2522 02:02:02.239 --> 02:02:05.800 prayers or or you know, invocations or meditations or all 2523 02:02:05.880 --> 02:02:08.119 of these things are just attempts to breach through to 2524 02:02:08.159 --> 02:02:08.840 the other side. 2525 02:02:09.079 --> 02:02:11.439 Yeah, that's something that we covered the Druids too. They 2526 02:02:11.439 --> 02:02:14.039 call it the other world, you know, and so they 2527 02:02:14.079 --> 02:02:16.840 all seem to be talking in the same realm. Some 2528 02:02:16.880 --> 02:02:20.159 people might I mean, could that possibly be confused with heaven? 2529 02:02:20.199 --> 02:02:24.880 Even it could be well yeah, yeah, I mean not 2530 02:02:25.039 --> 02:02:28.720 truly related. Did you get into the Dwathada Denon? 2531 02:02:30.079 --> 02:02:33.159 We've mentioned it in passing, but never really dove too 2532 02:02:33.159 --> 02:02:33.800 deep into it. 2533 02:02:34.399 --> 02:02:37.560 Oh dude. So it's this whole civilization of people that 2534 02:02:37.680 --> 02:02:41.600 just arrived to Ireland. They appear out of the thin 2535 02:02:41.680 --> 02:02:45.560 air no, no, no, that's not true. So a fog 2536 02:02:45.880 --> 02:02:49.399 falls over Ireland. The entire island is engulfed in a fog, 2537 02:02:50.119 --> 02:02:53.079 and then as the fog lifts, it's these beautiful people 2538 02:02:53.119 --> 02:02:56.479 that are much taller than everybody else, much more beautiful. 2539 02:02:57.560 --> 02:03:01.039 Their skin is shining, and they have magical abilities and 2540 02:03:01.119 --> 02:03:05.600 magical technologies. They live amongst them for multiple generations. They 2541 02:03:05.640 --> 02:03:07.920 set up and it's not just a couple people, it's 2542 02:03:07.960 --> 02:03:11.119 an entire civilization of them that lives amongst the Irish 2543 02:03:11.199 --> 02:03:16.159 for multiple generations. And then of course men come to 2544 02:03:16.720 --> 02:03:19.039 do war. They're like, we got to kick these supernatural 2545 02:03:19.039 --> 02:03:20.800 beings out of here because they're not one of us. 2546 02:03:21.199 --> 02:03:25.000 So instead of going and you know, going somewhere else, 2547 02:03:25.239 --> 02:03:27.600 they disappear into the fog. And then at that point 2548 02:03:27.680 --> 02:03:30.279 they entered nature. And so they live amongst us, in 2549 02:03:30.319 --> 02:03:33.319 the rocks and the trees, and they're just barely out 2550 02:03:33.399 --> 02:03:36.119 of out of reach. But this same story is told 2551 02:03:36.279 --> 02:03:39.720 over and over and over again about that there's a 2552 02:03:39.760 --> 02:03:44.279 civilization of beings much like us, but better, that are 2553 02:03:44.319 --> 02:03:46.479 around us, and they're just out of reach. They can 2554 02:03:46.520 --> 02:03:48.439 interact with us, they can touch us, but we can't 2555 02:03:48.479 --> 02:03:49.359 toudge them. 2556 02:03:49.760 --> 02:03:51.840 All right, John, we're doing a fucking episode on that. 2557 02:03:51.840 --> 02:03:56.640 That sounds all good, Yeah, dude, Well. 2558 02:03:56.439 --> 02:03:59.680 Look, we could talk to y'all literally all night, and honestly, 2559 02:03:59.760 --> 02:04:01.560 this is been one of our longer. 2560 02:04:01.279 --> 02:04:03.359 Episodes just because it's just. 2561 02:04:03.359 --> 02:04:05.960 Like whenever you're communicating with the spirits, it's like, all right, 2562 02:04:06.000 --> 02:04:08.199 I got a question, and I I already have the 2563 02:04:08.239 --> 02:04:10.680 next question lined up, but damn, what you just said 2564 02:04:10.720 --> 02:04:12.079 made me think a little bit deeper. 2565 02:04:12.159 --> 02:04:15.000 So I love these kind of conversations. These are great, man. 2566 02:04:15.079 --> 02:04:17.159 So we appreciate you guys coming and hanging out with 2567 02:04:17.239 --> 02:04:22.439 us so much fun, dude, if you guys, well, actually, 2568 02:04:22.520 --> 02:04:25.159 before we do wrap it up here, we usually do 2569 02:04:25.199 --> 02:04:28.279 a tarot reading at the end of every episode, usually 2570 02:04:28.319 --> 02:04:31.600 just a single card draw, and we even though we've 2571 02:04:31.640 --> 02:04:33.520 been doing this for a little over two years now, 2572 02:04:33.560 --> 02:04:37.760 we still rely on the handy dandy Guided Tarot Book 2573 02:04:37.840 --> 02:04:39.439 to give us definitions and whatnot. 2574 02:04:39.520 --> 02:04:42.439 But Sean, you guys are more than welcome to give 2575 02:04:42.520 --> 02:04:46.239 us your interpretation if you'd like. But interestingly enough, man, 2576 02:04:46.359 --> 02:04:49.479 we got the death card. Oh you know what, don't 2577 02:04:49.479 --> 02:04:54.800 be confused, you know, because it's not a bad thing. Yeah, 2578 02:04:54.840 --> 02:04:57.159 I mean, unless you want it to be a represented 2579 02:04:57.239 --> 02:04:58.479 bad than you can't right. 2580 02:04:58.640 --> 02:05:00.800 Well, it's interesting that we would get that card because 2581 02:05:00.840 --> 02:05:05.319 it is the thirteenth card within the foll's journey. The 2582 02:05:05.520 --> 02:05:09.560 death card is it is the ultimate transformation, a cycle 2583 02:05:09.640 --> 02:05:12.960 of release leading to rebirth. Death is perhaps one of 2584 02:05:13.000 --> 02:05:15.479 the most misunderstood cards in the tarot, and one that 2585 02:05:15.600 --> 02:05:18.880 is overflowing with rich symbolism. Death appears as a skeleton 2586 02:05:19.000 --> 02:05:21.560 dressed in black armor, riding through a scene of figures 2587 02:05:21.600 --> 02:05:25.119 near death or already dead, holding a black flag with 2588 02:05:25.239 --> 02:05:27.840 a flower and ears of corn on it, representing the 2589 02:05:27.920 --> 02:05:30.479 growing and harvesting seasons that align with the seasons of 2590 02:05:30.520 --> 02:05:33.560 our lives. A religious figure appears to plead with death, 2591 02:05:33.680 --> 02:05:36.760 while a child and a young woman kneeled nearby, both 2592 02:05:36.800 --> 02:05:41.239 symbolizing innocence and transition. In the distance, the sun rises 2593 02:05:41.279 --> 02:05:44.520 between the two towers, representing the conscious and unconscious mind. 2594 02:05:44.880 --> 02:05:47.920 The skin is yellow, the color of spiritual enlightenment, as 2595 02:05:48.000 --> 02:05:50.439 are the robes of the religious figure. The horse he 2596 02:05:50.600 --> 02:05:54.359 rides symbolizes the freedom that arises from embracing transformation, and 2597 02:05:54.520 --> 02:05:56.359 the fact that he is seated on his horse looking 2598 02:05:56.399 --> 02:05:59.840 down at the religious figure suggests that spiritual enlightenment transcends 2599 02:06:00.039 --> 02:06:05.039 traditional religious teachings. The sun rising illuminates rebirth, a contrast 2600 02:06:05.159 --> 02:06:09.840 to death's black armor, which indicates that shadow aspects, once hidden, 2601 02:06:09.920 --> 02:06:13.159 are now displayed with pride. Death is protected during this 2602 02:06:13.319 --> 02:06:16.840 cycle of change as well as all as well as 2603 02:06:16.920 --> 02:06:18.800 we all are during times of transformation. 2604 02:06:19.520 --> 02:06:23.119 Dude, just talking about Eric was just talking about the 2605 02:06:23.399 --> 02:06:25.359 right hand path and the left hand path, and the 2606 02:06:25.479 --> 02:06:29.880 right hand path being the more well understood belief systems 2607 02:06:29.880 --> 02:06:31.880 and this and that, and dude, that's beautiful. 2608 02:06:31.960 --> 02:06:32.119 Man. 2609 02:06:32.600 --> 02:06:35.119 Today I was at work and I there was a 2610 02:06:35.239 --> 02:06:36.960 power line that I was looking at, and there was 2611 02:06:37.000 --> 02:06:40.039 like a black bag hanging from it and like blowing 2612 02:06:40.079 --> 02:06:42.039 in the wind, but like for a split second, and 2613 02:06:42.079 --> 02:06:44.319 I was like, it almost looked like it could have 2614 02:06:44.359 --> 02:06:46.319 been like death, you know what I mean, Just like 2615 02:06:46.560 --> 02:06:48.039 I don't know, it was a trip, That's what I 2616 02:06:48.159 --> 02:06:50.640 was thinking. It caught there it is. 2617 02:06:51.239 --> 02:06:51.479 Yeah. 2618 02:06:51.760 --> 02:06:55.439 So just to give my interpretation of the card and 2619 02:06:56.279 --> 02:07:01.359 my thoughts on the energy of death is it's it's 2620 02:07:01.439 --> 02:07:06.199 often not about physical death, but it signifies that there's 2621 02:07:06.760 --> 02:07:10.319 there's something that's happening that you can't change, you can't 2622 02:07:10.359 --> 02:07:13.359 make it stop, you can't negotiate with it. The only 2623 02:07:13.439 --> 02:07:16.279 thing that you can do is accept it or choose 2624 02:07:16.359 --> 02:07:19.439 not to accept it. But it's happening either way. And 2625 02:07:19.680 --> 02:07:23.479 so so anything that's with that, anything that's in the past. 2626 02:07:23.640 --> 02:07:26.720 You know, we find ourselves obsessing about the things that 2627 02:07:26.800 --> 02:07:30.479 we can we can't change. This is you know, to serenity, prayer, Grammy, 2628 02:07:30.479 --> 02:07:33.279 the SERENDI to accept the things that I can't change, 2629 02:07:33.359 --> 02:07:34.920 to decurage to change the things I can, and the 2630 02:07:34.960 --> 02:07:38.079 wisdom to know the difference. Unfortunately, most of the things 2631 02:07:38.119 --> 02:07:39.920 in our lives are going to fall in the first category. 2632 02:07:40.000 --> 02:07:42.880 We can't change a whole lot of stuff. And that's 2633 02:07:43.000 --> 02:07:46.239 that's one of the conundrums with magic, is that a 2634 02:07:46.279 --> 02:07:49.359 lot of times we'll come into it wanting to change everything. 2635 02:07:49.960 --> 02:07:51.720 There's a whole lot of acceptance that we got to 2636 02:07:51.760 --> 02:07:53.560 learn along the way because there's a lot of stuff 2637 02:07:53.640 --> 02:07:56.560 that you just can't change, especially when it comes to death, you. 2638 02:07:56.600 --> 02:07:58.680 Know, and you're like trying to heal someone or something, 2639 02:07:59.039 --> 02:08:00.880 because there's all these times you can heal someone, you've 2640 02:08:00.880 --> 02:08:03.680 worked these crazy miracles, but when it's time, when it's 2641 02:08:03.680 --> 02:08:05.960 someone's time to go, there's like nothing you. 2642 02:08:06.000 --> 02:08:08.680 Can do, you know, it's just the right time. 2643 02:08:08.840 --> 02:08:09.039 Yeah. 2644 02:08:09.199 --> 02:08:11.560 And what's interesting you guys bring that up is because 2645 02:08:11.680 --> 02:08:15.359 that the the reverse meanings to the death card would 2646 02:08:15.359 --> 02:08:18.600 be clinging to the past and refusing to change. So 2647 02:08:19.159 --> 02:08:21.600 just so just the fact that it was that we 2648 02:08:21.760 --> 02:08:24.279 got it, it was like, all right, well, that's that's 2649 02:08:24.359 --> 02:08:27.119 something that we're not necessarily clinging to the past and 2650 02:08:27.239 --> 02:08:29.359 not refusing to change that we are open to this 2651 02:08:29.520 --> 02:08:33.600 form of essentially like transformation in a sense. But there 2652 02:08:33.720 --> 02:08:35.960 is a spiritual message also. It says you're in the 2653 02:08:36.039 --> 02:08:39.079 throes of transformation of the self that may include letting 2654 02:08:39.159 --> 02:08:42.840 go of old, worn out patterns and behaviors. This purge 2655 02:08:42.920 --> 02:08:45.479 is creating space for new beginnings by forcing you to 2656 02:08:45.600 --> 02:08:46.439 release the past. 2657 02:08:47.159 --> 02:08:47.640 Beautiful. 2658 02:08:48.800 --> 02:08:51.359 See, yeah, I think you know whenever I used to 2659 02:08:51.720 --> 02:08:54.000 whenever we've gotten that card in the past, and in 2660 02:08:54.039 --> 02:08:56.359 the very beginning, you know, I was like, ooh, the 2661 02:08:56.520 --> 02:08:58.800 death card, you know, like, and I think a lot 2662 02:08:58.840 --> 02:09:01.520 of the listeners and other people that aren't so familiar 2663 02:09:01.600 --> 02:09:03.439 with Taro, you know, would probably think the same way. 2664 02:09:03.520 --> 02:09:05.279 But but no, that's a great card, man. 2665 02:09:05.560 --> 02:09:08.159 Oh dude. It's it's almost like the gnostic way of 2666 02:09:08.279 --> 02:09:08.760 looking at it. 2667 02:09:08.800 --> 02:09:11.199 If you really think about it, because you know, there 2668 02:09:11.359 --> 02:09:14.840 there's the little the literal you know, uh, translation and 2669 02:09:14.880 --> 02:09:17.159 the literal meaning of looking at it a specific way. 2670 02:09:17.439 --> 02:09:19.359 But then it's like, how can you look at this 2671 02:09:19.560 --> 02:09:21.960 even deeper? How can you look at it from a 2672 02:09:22.159 --> 02:09:26.000 nosis like a Sophia type of understanding. And it just 2673 02:09:26.199 --> 02:09:28.479 makes so much more sense whenever you do that, because 2674 02:09:28.520 --> 02:09:30.399 you almost feel a lot more connected to the to 2675 02:09:30.479 --> 02:09:32.079 the messages being given at that point. 2676 02:09:33.319 --> 02:09:36.479 Absolutely, and just to understand that that there's so much 2677 02:09:36.560 --> 02:09:39.239 more to this reality and and we are so much 2678 02:09:39.800 --> 02:09:43.239 so capable of transmuting just about anything if we really 2679 02:09:43.319 --> 02:09:43.600 want to. 2680 02:09:44.039 --> 02:09:46.479 Yeah, dude, it's awesome. I love this stuff. Thank you 2681 02:09:46.560 --> 02:09:48.199 guys so much for coming to hang out with us. 2682 02:09:48.479 --> 02:09:51.159 Uh, I'm sorry. Let me just let me just riff 2683 02:09:51.199 --> 02:09:55.279 a little bit more here, for I'm looking up for 2684 02:09:55.279 --> 02:09:57.199 the order of these cards, all right. So the order 2685 02:09:57.239 --> 02:10:01.760 of the major kana so so comes right after the 2686 02:10:01.880 --> 02:10:05.119 hanged man, meaning that again, things that you can't control 2687 02:10:06.079 --> 02:10:08.119 you can't control, and even fighting to try to control 2688 02:10:08.199 --> 02:10:10.520 those things is part of the process. You just need 2689 02:10:10.600 --> 02:10:12.840 to give up and let go now. But right after that, 2690 02:10:13.560 --> 02:10:16.039 it's because here's the thing, the death card is not 2691 02:10:16.119 --> 02:10:18.399 the last card in the major arcana. It's it's like 2692 02:10:18.479 --> 02:10:21.399 smack in the middle. So it's like the story is 2693 02:10:21.439 --> 02:10:23.479 not over. That's just part of it. But the next 2694 02:10:23.600 --> 02:10:26.399 is temperance. Now now that you're rising from death, now 2695 02:10:26.479 --> 02:10:29.319 that you let go, be careful of what you manifest 2696 02:10:29.359 --> 02:10:32.920 from here, be a bit more wise going forward. So anyways, 2697 02:10:32.960 --> 02:10:35.520 I just wanted to bring that out. The death card 2698 02:10:35.640 --> 02:10:38.640 is far from the last card in the in the spread. 2699 02:10:39.199 --> 02:10:42.079 Oh dude, that is perfectful, and even just from my 2700 02:10:42.199 --> 02:10:45.640 own personal perspective, that's exactly what I needed, bro, like 2701 02:10:45.800 --> 02:10:48.000 on some real shit, Like you ever noticed that, Like 2702 02:10:48.119 --> 02:10:50.560 sometimes we'll get cards and maybe we resonate with them, 2703 02:10:50.600 --> 02:10:53.000 maybe we don't, but sometimes they just hit so damn 2704 02:10:53.039 --> 02:10:55.159 close to home at like certain times. 2705 02:10:55.039 --> 02:10:58.479 You're just like, ah, yes, I needed that. So yeah, 2706 02:10:58.520 --> 02:10:58.880 I love it. 2707 02:10:58.960 --> 02:11:00.600 I love the one of a working unicating with the 2708 02:11:00.640 --> 02:11:02.960 taro in that sense. But uh, but yeah, if you 2709 02:11:03.000 --> 02:11:05.840 guys would first, I guess we'll go with Lord Byron. 2710 02:11:06.520 --> 02:11:09.279 I mean, if this is anybody's first time listening to 2711 02:11:09.359 --> 02:11:13.800 meta mysteries, holy shit. But yeah, I mean, if if 2712 02:11:13.840 --> 02:11:15.760 it's not your first time, then I can guarantee you've 2713 02:11:15.760 --> 02:11:19.079 heard Lord Byron. But for those that don't know you 2714 02:11:19.239 --> 02:11:23.279 Byron or are or are unaware of your work, sir, 2715 02:11:23.399 --> 02:11:24.760 where would they be able to find yet? 2716 02:11:25.920 --> 02:11:26.039 Uh? 2717 02:11:26.319 --> 02:11:32.159 My main YouTube channel is may Apotheosis and then Instagram 2718 02:11:32.399 --> 02:11:34.960 Lord Byron Jester all lowercase, all one word. 2719 02:11:36.439 --> 02:11:38.640 All right, we'll have that laying down on the show 2720 02:11:38.680 --> 02:11:40.520 notes below. Anybody wants to be able to go check 2721 02:11:40.560 --> 02:11:42.159 out Lord Byron, he's the man. 2722 02:11:42.239 --> 02:11:46.159 We love you, bro, and also Eric, where would they 2723 02:11:46.199 --> 02:11:47.239 be able to find you at? 2724 02:11:47.359 --> 02:11:47.520 Sir? 2725 02:11:48.439 --> 02:11:51.279 Yeah? Yeah, you can find my main website with all 2726 02:11:51.319 --> 02:11:54.359 of my video courses, books, everything on it is to 2727 02:11:54.479 --> 02:11:57.800 become a living good dot com. Become a living good 2728 02:11:58.039 --> 02:12:02.239 dot com. I've got a TikTok so Tick talk slash 2729 02:12:02.279 --> 02:12:05.520 at each wedding and then Odyssey Odyssey Slash at each 2730 02:12:05.600 --> 02:12:08.279 wedding as well. I do live chats on there, post 2731 02:12:08.279 --> 02:12:10.239 a bunch of videos, so check me out. 2732 02:12:10.720 --> 02:12:13.199 Hell yeah, we'll have all those links down the show notes. 2733 02:12:13.239 --> 02:12:15.000 We really appreciate you guys coming to hang out with 2734 02:12:15.079 --> 02:12:17.479 us tonight, and again, super sorry about the mix up 2735 02:12:17.520 --> 02:12:18.359 on the dates and stuff. 2736 02:12:18.399 --> 02:12:19.560 We won't let it happen again. 2737 02:12:20.239 --> 02:12:22.520 But you know what, I will say this every time 2738 02:12:22.880 --> 02:12:25.800 or anytime that's happened, where something happens, maybe the guest 2739 02:12:25.880 --> 02:12:27.520 calls us and says, hey, you know, we're gonna have 2740 02:12:27.600 --> 02:12:30.159 to shoot another day, and then we do shoot. I 2741 02:12:30.319 --> 02:12:32.680 just feel like it's such a great episode, and so 2742 02:12:33.319 --> 02:12:35.680 I actually think that this was supposed to happen this way. 2743 02:12:38.000 --> 02:12:39.279 But thank you guys so much. 2744 02:12:41.199 --> 02:12:44.000 A lot of fun, yes, dude, well, uh yeah, we 2745 02:12:44.119 --> 02:12:46.239 appreciate you guys. And of course, if anybody wants to 2746 02:12:46.279 --> 02:12:48.520 be able to support the show, and the best way 2747 02:12:48.600 --> 02:12:50.800 that that that that you possibly can, you'd come over 2748 02:12:50.840 --> 02:12:53.239 to patreon dot com slash Meta Mysteries. That link is 2749 02:12:53.239 --> 02:12:55.000 down the show notes below. You'd be able to get 2750 02:12:55.000 --> 02:12:56.439 the shows a couple of days in advance. You'd be 2751 02:12:56.439 --> 02:12:58.840 able to listen to it completely commercial free, slide into 2752 02:12:58.880 --> 02:13:02.960 our dms, and watch all of the video completely commercial 2753 02:13:03.079 --> 02:13:05.600 free from all the interruptions that you might get from that. 2754 02:13:06.560 --> 02:13:10.479 We're also on YouTube where you'll be able to get 2755 02:13:10.520 --> 02:13:11.960 all the shows on YouTube as well. 2756 02:13:12.199 --> 02:13:14.479 I mean YouTube be YouTube, and so there's gonna be 2757 02:13:14.520 --> 02:13:15.319 ads and stuff like that. 2758 02:13:15.439 --> 02:13:17.640 If that kind of stuff just chaps you in the 2759 02:13:17.720 --> 02:13:19.680 wrong way, then Patroon would be the best place to go. 2760 02:13:19.760 --> 02:13:20.720 And check us out over there. 2761 02:13:20.880 --> 02:13:24.239 We're also on Instagram and TikTok as well if you 2762 02:13:24.239 --> 02:13:25.479 want to be able to come and see some of 2763 02:13:25.520 --> 02:13:27.920 the clips and whatnot. But if you don't want to 2764 02:13:27.960 --> 02:13:29.680 do any of those, one of the easiest things that 2765 02:13:29.720 --> 02:13:33.439 you can probably do is just give us a review 2766 02:13:33.640 --> 02:13:35.640 and leave us five stars if you could. 2767 02:13:35.680 --> 02:13:36.760 We'd really appreciate that. 2768 02:13:36.840 --> 02:13:38.800 Whether you're listening to this on the Cult of Conspiracy 2769 02:13:38.880 --> 02:13:42.560 podcast platform or the Meta Mysteries platform, you can do 2770 02:13:42.600 --> 02:13:44.319 it on Apple Podcasts, you can do it on Spotify. 2771 02:13:44.399 --> 02:13:46.880 We appreciate all of the one out there that's been 2772 02:13:46.920 --> 02:13:49.560 helping us in that way, helping us pump this show 2773 02:13:49.640 --> 02:13:51.760 out to all the algorithms of the world. 2774 02:13:51.880 --> 02:13:53.920 So we appreciate y'all very much. 2775 02:13:54.159 --> 02:13:58.760 And with that being said, if Lord Byron Jester and 2776 02:13:59.039 --> 02:14:03.520 durcre Ea game here and it's on you anything, it's 2777 02:14:03.560 --> 02:14:08.319 that you don't know what you don't know, just get weird. 2778 02:14:08.920 --> 02:14:09.760 Staying weird. 2779 02:14:15.199 --> 02:14:25.039 Dary Color swell the Stars a line in the Mental Mysteries. 2780 02:14:25.199 --> 02:14:26.239 Your finding. 2781 02:14:27.680 --> 02:14:30.880 Got me got me too, Yeah, dude, I was. 2782 02:14:31.119 --> 02:14:33.880 I was in there, dude, like swimwear. 2783 02:14:35.239 --> 02:14:35.479 Dude. 2784 02:14:36.279 --> 02:14:39.520 It's interesting, you know, we we talk about you know, 2785 02:14:39.600 --> 02:14:42.279 the metaphysics of things that we try to understand, these 2786 02:14:42.479 --> 02:14:47.520 unseen forces. But one thing that is so underestimated, dude, 2787 02:14:47.640 --> 02:14:51.760 is the unseen force of the subconscious mind. You know, 2788 02:14:51.960 --> 02:14:55.880 the patterns and the ego and everything that's just intertwined 2789 02:14:56.039 --> 02:14:59.199 as of now making you who you are, you know, 2790 02:14:59.279 --> 02:15:02.760 and it's just like if you don't stop and look 2791 02:15:02.840 --> 02:15:05.960 at that and examine it and try to make those 2792 02:15:06.119 --> 02:15:09.800 necessary changes, it's just gonna continue and you're not even 2793 02:15:09.840 --> 02:15:12.800 gonna know what's going on. You know, you're just gonna, 2794 02:15:12.880 --> 02:15:15.640 like ca Al Young said, it's just gonna be fate, 2795 02:15:16.239 --> 02:15:19.800 you know. But that unseen force is a is a 2796 02:15:20.039 --> 02:15:22.119 It's a strong one, man, it really is. 2797 02:15:22.399 --> 02:15:26.000 Well, and people, you know, it really bothers me when 2798 02:15:26.039 --> 02:15:29.079 people just look at you know, especially like within like 2799 02:15:29.279 --> 02:15:33.359 older religious books and whatnot, that they're like, well, we're 2800 02:15:33.520 --> 02:15:37.880 just humans, we're just sinners, we're just dirty rags, We're 2801 02:15:38.079 --> 02:15:41.279 just that, We're just this. And it's like people take 2802 02:15:41.359 --> 02:15:43.279 that on and they're like, well, I can never be 2803 02:15:43.560 --> 02:15:45.560 like that. I could never do these kinds of things. 2804 02:15:45.680 --> 02:15:50.560 I'm just a human. And I'm like there's a portion 2805 02:15:50.720 --> 02:15:53.279 of you that is I'm not saying that there isn't. 2806 02:15:53.840 --> 02:15:56.600 But then there's also this other portion of you that 2807 02:15:56.800 --> 02:16:00.199 is observing, the one that is aware, the one that 2808 02:16:00.800 --> 02:16:03.039 you know that it's there, but it's so subtle you 2809 02:16:03.159 --> 02:16:07.119 barely can even catch it. Sometimes, you know that that 2810 02:16:07.399 --> 02:16:10.239 version of you that is alive in meditation, whenever you 2811 02:16:10.359 --> 02:16:13.439 get so deep, that version of you that is alive, 2812 02:16:13.840 --> 02:16:16.079 whenever you're so deep in a past life regression or 2813 02:16:16.079 --> 02:16:19.359 a hypnotic state or something like that, Like, there's something 2814 02:16:19.640 --> 02:16:23.520 that is so much more than just plain old human. 2815 02:16:23.720 --> 02:16:27.640 It's not even funny, dude, like it's and it's so there, 2816 02:16:27.800 --> 02:16:29.920 but it's it's so subtle at the same time. 2817 02:16:30.319 --> 02:16:31.359 And that's what I love about it. 2818 02:16:31.399 --> 02:16:33.520 And that's what's so fascinating, and that's why we love 2819 02:16:33.600 --> 02:16:37.719 meditating so often, is because it's that's that's the time 2820 02:16:37.799 --> 02:16:42.000 where all the other chitter chatter slows down and you're 2821 02:16:42.040 --> 02:16:44.639 able just to be with the highest version of your 2822 02:16:44.840 --> 02:16:48.440 of yourself and and if that is made in the 2823 02:16:48.559 --> 02:16:51.239 image and likeness of God, that makes the most sense 2824 02:16:51.399 --> 02:16:52.680 right there, right man. 2825 02:16:52.920 --> 02:16:55.760 And I really I really love how how Eric and Byron, 2826 02:16:56.600 --> 02:16:58.120 you know, how they were putting it as far as 2827 02:16:58.200 --> 02:17:03.239 like the whisper, or the very subtle, almost residue that 2828 02:17:04.120 --> 02:17:04.760 is magic. 2829 02:17:04.879 --> 02:17:07.280 You know, that that little voice in your head that says, 2830 02:17:07.920 --> 02:17:09.559 why did you put your wallet there? 2831 02:17:09.719 --> 02:17:12.079 Because you know that's not where you normally put it 2832 02:17:12.200 --> 02:17:13.799 and you know you're not going to be able to 2833 02:17:13.840 --> 02:17:16.120 find it later. You know, like, that's a weird place 2834 02:17:16.200 --> 02:17:17.959 to put it. I shouldn't put it there, but I 2835 02:17:18.040 --> 02:17:23.680 did anyways. It's like that's the voice of wisdom, of Sophia, 2836 02:17:23.879 --> 02:17:26.520 of the gin, of the genius, of the higher self, 2837 02:17:26.600 --> 02:17:29.040 whatever you want to call it. It's like you already 2838 02:17:29.120 --> 02:17:31.440 have the answer. You know you shouldn't have done that, 2839 02:17:31.559 --> 02:17:34.159 but you did it anyway. You know, you ignore it. 2840 02:17:34.719 --> 02:17:38.319 That's actually something that I think about so often too, 2841 02:17:38.479 --> 02:17:41.479 because I'm like, all right, why am I so aware 2842 02:17:41.719 --> 02:17:45.600 of the subtle little shit that I really shouldn't be 2843 02:17:45.639 --> 02:17:48.479 worrying about. And it's almost like, all right, well, was 2844 02:17:48.559 --> 02:17:51.559 this another spirit that is communicating with me? Is this 2845 02:17:51.840 --> 02:17:54.719 just me me being like hyper aware in this moment? 2846 02:17:55.479 --> 02:17:58.959 Or is it is it something you know higher up? 2847 02:17:59.120 --> 02:18:01.440 Is it you with the highest form at that point? 2848 02:18:01.479 --> 02:18:04.319 So it's like, you know, in those cases, like you know, 2849 02:18:04.719 --> 02:18:06.719 don't set your keys here, don't set your wallet there, 2850 02:18:07.239 --> 02:18:12.559 and you almost feel like a little schizophrenic sometimes. 2851 02:18:12.159 --> 02:18:15.719 You know what I'm saying, Like the almost you almost. 2852 02:18:15.440 --> 02:18:17.920 Feel like a little paranoid because you're like, all right, 2853 02:18:18.040 --> 02:18:21.479 my my higher mind or something is telling me not 2854 02:18:21.680 --> 02:18:23.879 to do these things or to do these things, and 2855 02:18:24.440 --> 02:18:27.040 you know, and it can be a little overwhelming sometimes, 2856 02:18:27.520 --> 02:18:29.799 you know. But then there's other times where you're like, 2857 02:18:30.159 --> 02:18:31.959 just calm down, Like it's not telling you to go 2858 02:18:32.079 --> 02:18:34.280 jump off a damn bridge. It's just telling you, like, 2859 02:18:34.639 --> 02:18:36.920 maybe you shouldn't lay your glasses there, you know. 2860 02:18:37.200 --> 02:18:39.120 Like something so simple like that. 2861 02:18:39.440 --> 02:18:42.920 And you know, and and what I found to be 2862 02:18:43.200 --> 02:18:46.079 the the most peculiar thing about a lot of this 2863 02:18:46.440 --> 02:18:49.399 is that it just really helps you to be present 2864 02:18:49.440 --> 02:18:52.799 more than anything, you know, like to to be in 2865 02:18:52.920 --> 02:18:56.159 the most important thing a point, and there was there 2866 02:18:56.239 --> 02:18:59.680 was something that I've I'm pretty sure I've mentioned this before, 2867 02:18:59.760 --> 02:19:01.479 but I heard it from someone else where. It's like, 2868 02:19:01.879 --> 02:19:05.639 you know, imagine you're seventy five years old, and really 2869 02:19:05.959 --> 02:19:08.760 where you are right now is just in the memory 2870 02:19:09.120 --> 02:19:11.719 of that seventy five year old person, and that seventy 2871 02:19:11.760 --> 02:19:14.479 five year old person found a way to get in 2872 02:19:14.559 --> 02:19:16.680 a time machine or to be able to replay the 2873 02:19:16.799 --> 02:19:19.159 movie or something like that. And that has helped me 2874 02:19:19.239 --> 02:19:21.760 out tremendously just in my own life, just putting myself 2875 02:19:22.360 --> 02:19:25.159 like making sure that if if I was that guy, 2876 02:19:25.319 --> 02:19:27.079 what would I do in this moment if I could 2877 02:19:27.120 --> 02:19:27.600 go back. 2878 02:19:27.479 --> 02:19:29.600 And hold one last advantage of it? Right? 2879 02:19:29.959 --> 02:19:34.600 Yeah, Yeah, And that's especially like prominent whenever I like, 2880 02:19:34.680 --> 02:19:37.319 if I'm like hugging my kid, hugging and kissing my 2881 02:19:37.440 --> 02:19:40.000 kid good night, you know, like just something so simple, 2882 02:19:40.040 --> 02:19:42.360 giving them a big hug and kissing them, tell them 2883 02:19:42.360 --> 02:19:44.760 I love them and stuff like that. It's like those 2884 02:19:44.920 --> 02:19:49.559 moments they are so fleeting because I have a coming 2885 02:19:49.639 --> 02:19:51.440 up on a three year old, but I also have 2886 02:19:51.600 --> 02:19:53.879 a coming up on a fourteen year old too, and 2887 02:19:54.000 --> 02:19:57.760 I know how fast it goes. It is incredibly, it 2888 02:19:57.840 --> 02:20:00.719 goes so fast. It's like it's it's gone before you 2889 02:20:00.840 --> 02:20:02.639 know it. And I'm not saying you know, it's like 2890 02:20:03.040 --> 02:20:05.520 you have different relationships with a fourteen year old versus 2891 02:20:05.559 --> 02:20:07.600 a three year old, you know what I'm saying. And 2892 02:20:08.319 --> 02:20:10.520 so yeah, I think that it's important to just try 2893 02:20:10.559 --> 02:20:13.280 and remain as present as humanly possible so that it 2894 02:20:13.799 --> 02:20:16.399 I mean, it's gonna time's gonna go by regardless, but 2895 02:20:16.520 --> 02:20:20.079 to be able to cherish those little moments is so profound. 2896 02:20:20.159 --> 02:20:23.719 And to be honest, I think like magic kind of 2897 02:20:23.760 --> 02:20:24.840 taught me that in a way. 2898 02:20:25.040 --> 02:20:25.719 You know what I'm saying. 2899 02:20:26.239 --> 02:20:28.799 Yeah, it's its own modality, man, you know, and that 2900 02:20:29.200 --> 02:20:31.040 I don't want people to get, you know, I don't 2901 02:20:31.040 --> 02:20:34.319 want myself even to get too caught up in you know, 2902 02:20:34.440 --> 02:20:35.559 what box to put that in? 2903 02:20:35.840 --> 02:20:36.799 Or or what is this? 2904 02:20:37.040 --> 02:20:38.559 And what is that? What do we call that? 2905 02:20:38.760 --> 02:20:41.200 And it's like whatever you want to call it, you know, 2906 02:20:41.440 --> 02:20:44.680 I feel like we all experience it and and you know, 2907 02:20:44.920 --> 02:20:46.440 just call it what you want to call it, and 2908 02:20:46.600 --> 02:20:49.479 understand it to be what you understand it to be 2909 02:20:49.639 --> 02:20:51.120 and go from there, you know, as long as you 2910 02:20:51.239 --> 02:20:54.440 recognize it and take those moments of hugging your kid 2911 02:20:54.520 --> 02:20:57.280 and saying to yourself, wow, I could be just you know, 2912 02:20:57.799 --> 02:21:00.280 just for that example that you set, you know, in 2913 02:21:00.399 --> 02:21:03.159 a memory of you know, this moment that I might 2914 02:21:03.239 --> 02:21:05.440 have missed because I was just too busy, you know, 2915 02:21:05.520 --> 02:21:07.280 in my own head, trying to figure out shit and 2916 02:21:07.360 --> 02:21:09.799 make the money and do whatever. And it's like, it's 2917 02:21:09.799 --> 02:21:12.600 funny because I took my daughter to go and get 2918 02:21:12.639 --> 02:21:13.879 herself some Panda and it's. 2919 02:21:13.760 --> 02:21:15.399 Like one of her favorite things. She's like, oh, I 2920 02:21:15.479 --> 02:21:16.840 love pan Express, you know. 2921 02:21:16.959 --> 02:21:18.840 And she was sitting there holding her food and we 2922 02:21:18.879 --> 02:21:21.399 had to go get food for the other kids at 2923 02:21:21.440 --> 02:21:22.680 some other place, and. 2924 02:21:23.280 --> 02:21:26.200 She was like, she was saying, how did you put it? 2925 02:21:26.360 --> 02:21:29.559 She was like, oh, I'm gonna like hold on to 2926 02:21:29.680 --> 02:21:32.559 this moment because I know that like, once I'm done 2927 02:21:32.639 --> 02:21:35.840 eating this, then it's you know, it's done, it's over. 2928 02:21:35.959 --> 02:21:38.479 I said, well, how about you pretend that you already 2929 02:21:38.680 --> 02:21:40.959 ate it and now you just went back in time 2930 02:21:41.399 --> 02:21:42.959 and now you get to eat it again. And she 2931 02:21:43.079 --> 02:21:46.360 went like that, you know, it's like just a little 2932 02:21:46.440 --> 02:21:47.479 games that you could play with. 2933 02:21:47.559 --> 02:21:48.520 With just the mind. 2934 02:21:48.639 --> 02:21:51.360 Oh dude, yeah, it's it's awesome, Like how all that? 2935 02:21:51.920 --> 02:21:54.840 You know, because once you understand that you are not 2936 02:21:55.040 --> 02:21:57.879 the mind that you're you can actually become in control 2937 02:21:58.000 --> 02:21:58.559 of your mind. 2938 02:21:59.079 --> 02:22:03.399 You can trick it all day long. And it's not 2939 02:22:03.479 --> 02:22:04.360 even just tricking it. 2940 02:22:04.479 --> 02:22:07.319 So like, here's an example, one thing that I realize 2941 02:22:07.440 --> 02:22:09.639 just to use the me giving my son a hug 2942 02:22:09.719 --> 02:22:13.280 before he goes to sleep. Example, whenever I hug him 2943 02:22:13.280 --> 02:22:18.040 and I'm in that moment, it's not that as far 2944 02:22:18.120 --> 02:22:21.639 as like presence goes it, you almost have to put 2945 02:22:21.680 --> 02:22:24.680 yourself in the mindset of this is the only thing 2946 02:22:25.200 --> 02:22:28.680 that is going on in the entire world in this moment, 2947 02:22:28.959 --> 02:22:30.799 is this moment that I'm having with my kid. 2948 02:22:31.440 --> 02:22:32.920 Yeah, all the other things exist. 2949 02:22:33.079 --> 02:22:35.879 Your living room still there, you know, your other kids are, 2950 02:22:36.040 --> 02:22:37.760 you know, doing they're doing with what they're doing. But 2951 02:22:37.879 --> 02:22:41.520 in that moment, the only thing that exists is your 2952 02:22:41.639 --> 02:22:44.600 embrace with your little one or whatever it is. Like, 2953 02:22:45.120 --> 02:22:47.760 And dude, in that sense, it makes it feel so 2954 02:22:48.200 --> 02:22:52.319 much more powerful and so much more There's just something 2955 02:22:52.440 --> 02:22:56.319 more meaningful about it whenever nothing else exists in that moment. 2956 02:22:56.120 --> 02:22:57.680 You know, yeah, exactly. 2957 02:22:57.760 --> 02:22:59.319 To take that further, you know, I can't tell you 2958 02:22:59.360 --> 02:23:02.079 how many times I've looked at pictures. You know, sometimes 2959 02:23:02.159 --> 02:23:05.079 our TV will kind of go into like a screensaver 2960 02:23:05.200 --> 02:23:07.319 mode and it'll just start start showing some of our 2961 02:23:07.360 --> 02:23:10.000 photos that are on our phones, and I see pictures 2962 02:23:10.079 --> 02:23:11.959 of the kids and they're you know, they're this big, 2963 02:23:12.120 --> 02:23:14.760 and I'm like, wow, Like I wish I could go 2964 02:23:14.920 --> 02:23:16.639 back to that and just like pick them up. And 2965 02:23:16.879 --> 02:23:18.479 you know, because they were they were small, you could 2966 02:23:18.479 --> 02:23:20.319 pick them up and like, you know, throw them around 2967 02:23:20.399 --> 02:23:22.959 and kiss them or whatever. And I see those pictures 2968 02:23:23.040 --> 02:23:24.840 now and I'm not gonna lie, dude. 2969 02:23:24.840 --> 02:23:27.360 It kind of makes me emotional because I can't do that, 2970 02:23:28.079 --> 02:23:30.840 you know, that moment, that that moment is gone. Yeah, 2971 02:23:30.959 --> 02:23:33.120 you know. But then it's like, okay, like you said, 2972 02:23:33.520 --> 02:23:36.360 take advantage of now you know that's what we got. 2973 02:23:36.959 --> 02:23:39.239 That's it, dude. And also like, just as far as 2974 02:23:39.319 --> 02:23:43.200 that whole death card, man, that really was so perfect. 2975 02:23:43.399 --> 02:23:46.600 On top of the synchronousities, well, oh my god, that 2976 02:23:46.719 --> 02:23:49.639 tripped me out a little wit. It was, oh fuck perfect. 2977 02:23:49.959 --> 02:23:52.479 It was there could there wasn't another better card for 2978 02:23:52.639 --> 02:23:55.920 that moment, for that conversation, even just what's been going 2979 02:23:56.000 --> 02:23:57.760 on in my life here in the past couple of days, 2980 02:23:58.120 --> 02:24:01.879 could not have been a more perfect hard and man, 2981 02:24:02.000 --> 02:24:04.840 that's just such a powerful sentiment that that we shared 2982 02:24:04.879 --> 02:24:05.360 in that moment. 2983 02:24:05.440 --> 02:24:06.440 I thought that was really cool. 2984 02:24:07.000 --> 02:24:08.520 Yeah, it was a It was a good one, man. 2985 02:24:08.559 --> 02:24:10.079 Like I said, I'm gonna have to go back and 2986 02:24:10.680 --> 02:24:13.600 re listen to it. Personal, dude, you some good shit 2987 02:24:13.680 --> 02:24:16.360 in there. Yes, he is the fucking man. Lord Byron. 2988 02:24:16.639 --> 02:24:20.479 Also the fucking man loved having conversation and just trying 2989 02:24:20.520 --> 02:24:24.440 to understand how it works from a different perspective instead 2990 02:24:24.440 --> 02:24:27.040 of just sitting there judging it. You know, nobody learns 2991 02:24:27.079 --> 02:24:30.559 anything from judgment at all, Like you were prohibiting yourself 2992 02:24:30.639 --> 02:24:33.159 from learning anything when you were sitting there in judgment. 2993 02:24:33.799 --> 02:24:36.600 And there's just so much more to learn ro than 2994 02:24:36.760 --> 02:24:39.680 just that's not what I believe, or that's working with 2995 02:24:39.799 --> 02:24:42.399 this or that. Get past that, just to just to 2996 02:24:42.479 --> 02:24:44.440 be able to be that sponge and spoke it and 2997 02:24:44.559 --> 02:24:46.639 soak it all up to really try and understand it. 2998 02:24:48.079 --> 02:24:49.959 And I think that he really appreciated that too, that 2999 02:24:50.040 --> 02:24:51.040 we kind of took that angle. 3000 02:24:51.719 --> 02:24:54.319 Oh absolutely, d Yeah, it was a great episode, man, 3001 02:24:54.399 --> 02:24:58.079 And can't wait to have a back man, both studs studs. 3002 02:24:58.879 --> 02:25:01.319 But anyhow, Yeah, with that being said, we're gonna wrap 3003 02:25:01.360 --> 02:25:03.840 it up right here, and uh, I can't wait for 3004 02:25:03.959 --> 02:25:07.719 Wonder Wednesday. Now it's gonna be a fun one. Say so, 3005 02:25:08.239 --> 02:25:10.879 all right, guys, we will see all the flip side of. 3006 02:25:12.559 --> 02:25:18.680 Voices, drift on winds, untain words like spells that can't 3007 02:25:19.079 --> 02:25:25.479 be gained, Close your eyes and feel the sound journey 3008 02:25:25.600 --> 02:25:30.000 where no bounds are found, open. 3009 02:25:29.799 --> 02:25:39.840 Doors, side to mind, the ordinary, far behind color, soul stars, 3010 02:25:40.200 --> 02:25:40.559 lines 3011 02:25:41.840 --> 02:25:44.959 In the mental mysteries, your fire