Speaker 1: Voices drift on winds untain, where it's like spells that
Speaker 1: can't be named. Close your eyes and fear the sound
Speaker 1: journey where no bounds are found.
Speaker 2: Open doors, side your mind, the ordinary far behind color,
Speaker 2: swell and stars.
Speaker 3: Lines in the mental mysteries, you'll find Welcome to meta mysteries,
Speaker 3: where you don't know what you don't know.
Speaker 4: My name is Jonathan, I'm Sean, and today we have
Speaker 4: two awesome guests one I don't know. It's your tenth
Speaker 4: or eleventh time coming on the show, Lord Byron, Welcome
Speaker 4: back to the show.
Speaker 5: My good brother.
Speaker 6: That's good man.
Speaker 7: How are you guys doing awesome in there?
Speaker 6: Man?
Speaker 7: I feel like this is my home away from home,
Speaker 7: you know.
Speaker 8: Indeed, come on and always warm, dude.
Speaker 4: And also we have a new guest, Eric Cotting. Welcome
Speaker 4: to the show, sir. How are you tonight, dud?
Speaker 6: I'm doing spectacular. Thanks so much for having me on.
Speaker 6: It's awesome to chat with you guys.
Speaker 4: Hell yeah, well look, Lord Byron has talked a lot
Speaker 4: about you and uh, you guys have teamed up, uh
Speaker 4: and we're really looking forward to hearing about you know,
Speaker 4: really just you and everything that you practice all the
Speaker 4: all the different kind of things that you're into. I'm
Speaker 4: not trying to label anything, so I'm trying to like
Speaker 4: dance around it. But but that being said, I mean,
Speaker 4: would you would you mind telling us a little bit
Speaker 4: about yourself and what your what what your deal is?
Speaker 8: Sir?
Speaker 6: Yeah, for sure, absolutely absolutely, well you My name is
Speaker 6: Eric co Edting. My my au her name is Eek Wedding.
Speaker 6: I've written around thirty thirty plus books on magic, and
Speaker 6: so when I say magic, you know, dude, I try.
Speaker 6: I try to approach it from every angle black magic,
Speaker 6: white magic, purple and yellow and everything in between. And
Speaker 6: that's it is. It is really hard, you know, it's
Speaker 6: it is hard to to stay away from labels because
Speaker 6: you know, I'll fall into it every now and again.
Speaker 6: I'll live life as a Satanist and be fully into
Speaker 6: it and the next thing you know, I'm someone in
Speaker 6: the archangel Michael and running with that. But I do
Speaker 6: think that that's the that's the real magical path is
Speaker 6: is just you know, touching. That's my magical path. At least.
Speaker 6: I want to touch everything. Everything I see. I'm like,
Speaker 6: oh that's cool. Let me play with that and unbox
Speaker 6: it and see what's there? And and so I do
Speaker 6: that with every every magical practice I've ever been able
Speaker 6: to get and get my hands off since I was
Speaker 6: a kid. I started learning just you know, Wika and
Speaker 6: all of that stuff. I've got my hands on the
Speaker 6: Necroynomicon and that was a game changer. I was like, Oh,
Speaker 6: I'm gonna summon some stuff and start someone in some stuff.
Speaker 6: That really blew the hinges off the doors for me.
Speaker 6: And really, what what that did for me is that
Speaker 6: really solidified evocation the summoning of spirits as one of
Speaker 6: my primary practices. Because as soon as I started tapping
Speaker 6: into it, to the watchers, to Ankie, It's like the
Speaker 6: books become stupid. It's like I would I even read
Speaker 6: a book when I can just ask the dude himself
Speaker 6: and uh. And so that became my big practice is
Speaker 6: spirit communications, spirit summoning, and so you started writing books
Speaker 6: about it. I started doing a YouTube multi media assault
Speaker 6: where I was, you know, for several years, just throwing
Speaker 6: as many videos as I could on YouTube, and and
Speaker 6: my goal with that was to try to really to
Speaker 6: try to change the way people think about magic and
Speaker 6: specifically the left hand path, to to to maybe take
Speaker 6: the covers off of it and go, you know, we're
Speaker 6: not We're not here doing crazy stuff to kids. We're
Speaker 6: not doing the crazy stuff that the rumors say. But
Speaker 6: here is actually what it could be. Here's my path
Speaker 6: and and so that was cool. I got canceled off
Speaker 6: of social media a couple of years ago. Had a
Speaker 6: had a guy that he didn't he wasn't associated with
Speaker 6: me at all in any way that he didn't he
Speaker 6: didn't buy my books, he didn't watch my videos, he
Speaker 6: didn't really interact with me. He killed a couple of ladies.
Speaker 6: But he had gone a couple of years before he
Speaker 6: get this onto my forum. And uh, and so BBC
Speaker 6: made this whole link between me and him, canceled me online.
Speaker 6: That's okay. That was actually for me, that was a reset,
Speaker 6: that was that was an that wasn't a bit an
Speaker 6: opportunity for me to actually look at my practice and go,
Speaker 6: you know what, am I doing this because I want
Speaker 6: people to click that like button? Or am I doing
Speaker 6: this because this is who I am? And I really
Speaker 6: had to just get back to the core of like
Speaker 6: what's my practice about who am I as an actual
Speaker 6: sorcerer and get back to the core of that, and
Speaker 6: that's just it's been carrying me. It's been carrying me
Speaker 6: solid ever since. So that's that's that's who I am,
Speaker 6: That's what I'm about. My big My big mission is
Speaker 6: to kind of act like a lightning rod, go experience
Speaker 6: some crazy stuff, get zapped by whatever I get zapped by,
Speaker 6: and then if I have something, try to try to
Speaker 6: find something I can report back to the world and
Speaker 6: go hey, like here's here's what I came up with.
Speaker 6: And I do try to I do try to bring
Speaker 6: it back to practices like it's not I don't want
Speaker 6: to come back and be like, here's what I saw
Speaker 6: on the other dimension. That's useless. I want to tell
Speaker 6: you how to get to the other dimension, to see
Speaker 6: your own stuff, to have your own experiences. So that's
Speaker 6: the most important thing that's being in a nutshell guys.
Speaker 5: I'd love to hear about it.
Speaker 4: First of all, it's awesome that you just called yourself
Speaker 4: a sorcerer. That is probably one of the most dangster
Speaker 4: titles ever, just being a sorcerer. But yeah, it's I
Speaker 4: I'm the fact that you've written how many books you said,
Speaker 4: thirty books on magic.
Speaker 6: Over thirty at this point over thirty. Yeah, I started out,
Speaker 6: you know, so when I was about twenty three, my
Speaker 6: I got my girl from pregnant, and my whole life
Speaker 6: changed because I was just on a crazy, crazy path,
Speaker 6: didn't know what I was doing with my life, just
Speaker 6: picking up whatever job I could, sleeping on people's couches,
Speaker 6: and then boom, somebody shifted the track I was on,
Speaker 6: and bomb I shifted it, I guess by my own choices,
Speaker 6: shifted the track I was on and really took being
Speaker 6: a dad seriously. And part of that was was like,
Speaker 6: you know what, if I'm going to do something with
Speaker 6: my life, it's time I start doing it. And I've
Speaker 6: always talked about being a writer, and if I'm going
Speaker 6: to get serious about it, let's get serious about it.
Speaker 6: And so sat down and started writing my first book,
Speaker 6: sent that out, started writing my second one, and just
Speaker 6: kind of started rolling it ever since then, it really
Speaker 6: hit me. It was a weird thing, like I feel
Speaker 6: like it was a biological thing that after I had
Speaker 6: reproduced that, there was something in me going, like, the
Speaker 6: next step for you is death. You're going to raise
Speaker 6: this child and then you die, and so your biological
Speaker 6: mission has been fulfilled. With reproducing. Now anything else you
Speaker 6: want to get done, you better get working on it.
Speaker 4: But that's awesome, So you all right, So a couple
Speaker 4: of different things. I see that you got mule nair
Speaker 4: hanging from your neck right there, along with a couple
Speaker 4: of Viking runs there on your shirt. Is that something
Speaker 4: that you also dabble into as far as like trying
Speaker 4: to get in touch with the Norse gods.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and I would go even much further than dabbling.
Speaker 6: I've got I've got a whole area in my backyard.
Speaker 6: I'm blessed to have a really cool property in southern Utah,
Speaker 6: in the middle of the middle of nowhere, and so
Speaker 6: I've got a spot in my backyard where I've got
Speaker 6: a whole runic setup. I've got a huge room stone
Speaker 6: that I've made there, and I'll go out and I've
Speaker 6: got an offering an altar that'll go out and commune
Speaker 6: with the gods. They are the gods of my ancestors.
Speaker 6: And so I can feel that pole in my blood.
Speaker 6: And you know, when I was like sixteen seventeen, I
Speaker 6: picked up my first room set just from the store,
Speaker 6: fell in with it. But I've got sidetracked with taro
Speaker 6: and with you know, spirit evocation and whatever and so
Speaker 6: kind of it's funny because I feel like Ruins and
Speaker 6: all of that. It kind of works like that. It'll
Speaker 6: I'll kind of forget about it, I'll put it down,
Speaker 6: and then a couple of years later, boom, it just
Speaker 6: loops back around. It's like, hey, remember me, old friend,
Speaker 6: and pick it back up and start start using again.
Speaker 6: But I do feel it's in my blood, and so
Speaker 6: I can't escape it even if I did, even if
Speaker 6: I wanted to. But yeah, it's a huge, huge practice
Speaker 6: with you know, with working with the Norse gods and
Speaker 6: working with the ruins. It's a different thing than working
Speaker 6: with any kind of any other kind of magic, because
Speaker 6: it's not you're not calling Odin in front of you.
Speaker 6: You're going walking out into the wilderness and trying to
Speaker 6: trying to have Odin walk alongside you or maybe even
Speaker 6: walk within you and become Odin to a degree. You
Speaker 6: don't necessarily call on the elves. You don't summon them.
Speaker 6: You go out into the forest and you start to
Speaker 6: see them in the trees. You start to see, to
Speaker 6: to to hear strange things. You start see sparkles as
Speaker 6: the light comes down. It's like you commune with nature
Speaker 6: in a different way. I do feel like the Norse path,
Speaker 6: the Celtic path also has this is a deep tie.
Speaker 6: My Native American paths, of course, have a deep tie
Speaker 6: back to the earth that we've lost, like as a speed,
Speaker 6: as a species or a civilization. We need to get
Speaker 6: back to that. We need to take our shoes off
Speaker 6: and get back into the dirt.
Speaker 5: You know, one hundred percent.
Speaker 4: And I'm so happy you said it the way that
Speaker 4: you did, because we've talked about essentially embodying the essence
Speaker 4: of said gods or deities or whatever that you're not
Speaker 4: necessarily reaching. Who am I to say what you are,
Speaker 4: what you aren't doing, but just from you know, our
Speaker 4: understanding is is that you're almost like embodying their essence
Speaker 4: in a weird way, which is, you know, very interesting.
Speaker 4: You would expect that, you know, if you're communicating with gods,
Speaker 4: that they would be alongside you, or they would be
Speaker 4: you know, pointing in a direction from the sky or
Speaker 4: something like that. But it's very different. As far as
Speaker 4: our understanding is. Magic goes and that's something you know,
Speaker 4: we can attribute that to Lord Byron. First of all,
Speaker 4: for introducing us to a lot of magic and helping
Speaker 4: us understand a lot, you know, a lot of his
Speaker 4: practices and how it works and everything like that. But
Speaker 4: I would say that, you know, as far as our
Speaker 4: magical understanding, it is basically because of Lord Byron and
Speaker 4: the book by Philip Cooper called The Magickian. We always
Speaker 4: reference that book like that. Have you have you dabbled
Speaker 4: into that book?
Speaker 6: I mean, you know years ago. I know I came
Speaker 6: and tross it and read it, but but you know,
Speaker 6: I don't know that I've even kept it on my bookshelf.
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, I mean I I highly recommend anybody that
Speaker 4: wants to try and understand magic magic a little bit
Speaker 4: more that that book right there really broke it down
Speaker 4: to where even a fourth grader could understand, and.
Speaker 9: Weird made it simple enough for you and I to
Speaker 9: really catch onto it. And then we had Byron on
Speaker 9: and he was like validating everything that we had just
Speaker 9: learned and come to the understanding of how some of
Speaker 9: these things work and working with the mind and using
Speaker 9: the from realities of the different tools or instruments, if
Speaker 9: you will, and it was just like, oh, this is
Speaker 9: all starting to come together. You know, it's like and
Speaker 9: I like how you were saying in the beginning as
Speaker 9: far as you kind of dabbling in all of the
Speaker 9: different types of magic, and Jonathan and I were just
Speaker 9: talking earlier today about, you know, putting things in a
Speaker 9: box and labeling things, and I think that's where we
Speaker 9: get kind of I think that's where we get slowed
Speaker 9: down just a little bit, because you get so locked
Speaker 9: into one idea and you're really limiting yourself to everything else,
Speaker 9: you know, And so I respect that.
Speaker 4: Well in just as far as like we recently covered
Speaker 4: eccentric witchcraft, is it no, not eccentric eclectic eclectic witchcraft?
Speaker 5: And that is something that you know, it's seemingly very.
Speaker 4: Embodying everything essentially, like taking a little bit from here,
Speaker 4: taking a little bit from there, taking a little bit
Speaker 4: from religion and philosophy and magic and every every single
Speaker 4: thing all together. And that just seems like, I mean,
Speaker 4: if you were one of the original people that were
Speaker 4: practicing a religion or practicing a spirituality or something like that,
Speaker 4: you wouldn't you wouldn't have anything to run off of.
Speaker 4: You would have just whatever is around you, the information
Speaker 4: and the tools around you to to use and to
Speaker 4: try and uh you know, maybe manipulate the energy around
Speaker 4: you or call upon said uh you know, ghosts or
Speaker 4: deity or demon or angel or whatever.
Speaker 5: You know what I mean.
Speaker 4: Like it wouldn't be so strict because you would be
Speaker 4: the first one that would be doing it right. And
Speaker 4: that's kind of how my mind went, is that, like
Speaker 4: the the original witches were probably eclectic, right, I do.
Speaker 6: This little thought experiment with myself of everything. So I've
Speaker 6: got a daily yoga practice I do. I've got a
Speaker 6: bunch of different practices that I that I keep going,
Speaker 6: and with all of them, I try to bring it
Speaker 6: back to this thought. So in in yoga and Buddhism,
Speaker 6: there's there's all these teachings about these these old monks
Speaker 6: that would they would go live in a case for
Speaker 6: forty years. They're living in a cave meditating and chanting,
Speaker 6: and the birds are bringing them food to eat and
Speaker 6: all this stuff. And so I bring it back to there.
Speaker 6: If I was all by myself, I didn't have any
Speaker 6: technology and I was in a cave, what would I do?
Speaker 6: How would I do this? How would I make this
Speaker 6: magic work? Because you know, there's there's so much over
Speaker 6: reliance people have on on structure, and I've got to
Speaker 6: have the right color a candle, and I've got to
Speaker 6: have the right smelling in sense, you don't need any
Speaker 6: of that. You can take a piece of mud. You
Speaker 6: know this, This is what chaos magic teaches. You take
Speaker 6: a piece of mud, form it into whatever form you want,
Speaker 6: give it a name, worship it, and then ask it
Speaker 6: to do things for you, and it's going to do things.
Speaker 6: But that actually brings me back to the real The
Speaker 6: real nature of magic is like like you're saying with
Speaker 6: the proto magicians, the first magicians. For a very long time,
Speaker 6: magic was formulated out of necessity that if you're going
Speaker 6: on a hunt, you got to you want to guarantee
Speaker 6: that you're going to bring something home from that hunt.
Speaker 6: If you're banging your wife, you want to guarantee that's
Speaker 6: going to produce a child. And so everything that you're doing,
Speaker 6: if you want to give that extra punch. They needed
Speaker 6: to find a technology to allow us to succeed and
Speaker 6: to thrive. And I do believe that our our spiritual
Speaker 6: capabilities is one of the things that gives us an advantage.
Speaker 6: And it's not only that you can feel things when
Speaker 6: you're hunting that you can actually tap into things on
Speaker 6: a deep level, but you can also manifest the things
Speaker 6: that you desire if you're visualizing it right. This is
Speaker 6: before we had a before we created a wheel as
Speaker 6: a species, before we had treated language. There were sorcerers
Speaker 6: gathered in caves that were chiseling, you know, the elk
Speaker 6: that they want to go hunt, to make sure that
Speaker 6: they can hunt it. And they would, they would, you know,
Speaker 6: we need twelve elks, So we're going to chisel twelve
Speaker 6: of them right here, and then we're going to spoke
Speaker 6: some of this that we've got here when I gaze
Speaker 6: visualize it, and so it's like that before before we
Speaker 6: had any technology, this was one of the first technologies
Speaker 6: that people started using. Now I'm going to go even further.
Speaker 6: I don't think that we just accidentally figured this stuff out.
Speaker 6: I think that it was given to us. I don't know,
Speaker 6: you know, I like to think that some gods stepped
Speaker 6: in and handed us these tools, or maybe it was
Speaker 6: the past civilization, because I think there are multiple civilizations
Speaker 6: before us. But I don't think we just stumbled on this.
Speaker 6: This is a technology that was given to us.
Speaker 5: Damn.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's I mean, it does kind of make sense.
Speaker 4: And don't get me started. I'm a conspiracy theorist through
Speaker 4: and through, so whenever you talk about ancient forgotten about civilizations,
Speaker 4: I'm all here for the Atlantis talk. But yeah, I
Speaker 4: think you're onto something, dude, Like as far as just
Speaker 4: how all of it works, like it doesn't necessarily have
Speaker 4: to be so structured, I think. And this is something
Speaker 4: that even the Magickian was talking about. It was just like,
Speaker 4: you know, he goes, Yeah, you know, in the beginning,
Speaker 4: you want to make sure you got your sword and
Speaker 4: your chalice and your shield, and your incense and your candles,
Speaker 4: and make sure you have your temple and make sure
Speaker 4: nobody goes into your temple because you have to know
Speaker 4: that that's yours. And all of those things are essentially
Speaker 4: symbols that you're going to use in your mind.
Speaker 5: You're not using them.
Speaker 4: As a as a practice necessarily, uh to perform any
Speaker 4: kind of ritual. So he talked about, you know, all
Speaker 4: the different practices that he would use and essentially like
Speaker 4: take these symbols and being able to work with them
Speaker 4: in his mind. And he goes, after a while, you're
Speaker 4: not gonna need any of that shit anymore. You're like,
Speaker 4: all you're gonna need all of that's going to be
Speaker 4: in your mind. You don't need to see a physical
Speaker 4: sword in front of you anymore because now that sort
Speaker 4: is so permanently tattooed inside your mind, you can just
Speaker 4: go pick it up and grab it, you know. And
Speaker 4: and so yeah, I agree with you that you don't
Speaker 4: necessarily need all that. It's just helpful kind of tools
Speaker 4: to help you to get to where you're going.
Speaker 6: Right, Well, I'm actually gonna go. It's interesting because I think,
Speaker 6: I think everything moves in waves. It's not just one
Speaker 6: thing all the time. It's sometimes this and sometimes that.
Speaker 6: And so with that, Yeah, when you first start start
Speaker 6: out with all the different stuff, make sure you're you know,
Speaker 6: you're you're you're really going hardcore into the physical, and
Speaker 6: then start eliminating it, you know, to take the sword out.
Speaker 6: And I suggest the same thing of taking the tools
Speaker 6: out one at a time. You know, what's the thing
Speaker 6: that it feels like you don't really need it. Get
Speaker 6: rid of all of those things, and then and then
Speaker 6: get to the point. Get rid of the circle, get
Speaker 6: rid of the triangle, get rid of your words, get
Speaker 6: rid of everything until you're just standing there in blissful
Speaker 6: communion with the spirit and and so that's awesome. But
Speaker 6: then I do recommend once you're kind of at a
Speaker 6: plateau with that, adding things back in what actually feels necessary,
Speaker 6: what feels like it's going to add to the ritual,
Speaker 6: you know. So I did an evocation of Michael a
Speaker 6: couple of weeks ago, the archangel Michael, and I just
Speaker 6: I did it all in my backyard, a huge elaborate ritual,
Speaker 6: and I was like, you know, I want to have
Speaker 6: I feel like I need Like there wasn't much there.
Speaker 6: I have my book to take notes in, I had
Speaker 6: my incense and the circle that I carved into the ground,
Speaker 6: and I'm like, I really don't have much though, and
Speaker 6: I feel like I should bring something. But it really
Speaker 6: hit me anything that that you add, it can't just
Speaker 6: be because you want to add extra stuff. It needs
Speaker 6: to actually have a purpose. So if you can figure
Speaker 6: out the purpose. So what I actually got was a gong.
Speaker 6: I got a big old gong I brought out there,
Speaker 6: and I was like, I'm just gonna get this gong
Speaker 6: once and that's going to set the ritual. And that
Speaker 6: was all I needed, and it was a perfect ritual.
Speaker 6: But the why I'm saying this is the sword is
Speaker 6: not just it's not just a prop for your mind.
Speaker 6: It can also become an anchor of your power. And
Speaker 6: so if you have a physical tool, you know, I've
Speaker 6: got swords on the wall behind me there, and most
Speaker 6: of them are magical. And they said they're doing whatever
Speaker 6: they're doing, whether I'm sleeping or playing video games or
Speaker 6: whatever I'm doing, my magical tools are always working on
Speaker 6: my behalf, and so it can it can act as
Speaker 6: a physical anchor for your your energy. Another thing that
Speaker 6: I that I'll say is I have noticed if you're
Speaker 6: doing the ritual in your mind only, and I would
Speaker 6: call that mental asterol and ritual that you because maybe
Speaker 6: you are on the astral play moving things. The result
Speaker 6: that you can expect is usually going to be a
Speaker 6: mental or an energetic or an emotional result. If you
Speaker 6: want to have a physical result, you've got to do
Speaker 6: some physical stuff. And so with the physical stuff, light
Speaker 6: some candles, light some incense, say the words out loud,
Speaker 6: actually develop the magical ecosystem in the space and then
Speaker 6: transmit it. Transmit your will through the ritual and then
Speaker 6: also go do the things in the world that you
Speaker 6: need to do. If you're going to do a wealth spell,
Speaker 6: you've better be putting applications out. If you're doing a
Speaker 6: love spell, you better be you know, brushing yourself up
Speaker 6: and going and approaching some bodies. So uh so, yeah,
Speaker 6: that's uh, those are my thoughts on that.
Speaker 9: Light goes into what you were saying as far as
Speaker 9: you know, the whole embodying thing. You know, we we
Speaker 9: were just covering this not too long ago, and it
Speaker 9: was so fascinating because it made so much sense.
Speaker 8: You know, if you're going to do a money.
Speaker 9: Spell, and you would probably want to embody the energy
Speaker 9: of somebody who is going out there and getting money,
Speaker 9: you know what I mean, It just makes too much sense.
Speaker 6: Right. Well, have you checked out the book Think and
Speaker 6: Grow Rich by Napoleon Hill.
Speaker 8: Jonathan always brings this up.
Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah. So when I was like eighteen, I started
Speaker 6: hanging out with some rich guys that did multi level marketing,
Speaker 6: and they got me in a couple of their schemes
Speaker 6: and I made a little bit of money, But more
Speaker 6: than anything, I was trying to figure out, like, how
Speaker 6: do you become that person? How do you become the
Speaker 6: person that that that is comfortable with the nice home
Speaker 6: and the nice car and the nice lifestyle, because I
Speaker 6: I've always been poor. I've been homeless several times in
Speaker 6: my life. You know, I've magic to pull me up
Speaker 6: out of the gutters, literally, And so I'm looking at
Speaker 6: this going what what's the secrets behind this? And everybody
Speaker 6: kept turning me over to Napoleon Hill, Think and Grow Rich,
Speaker 6: And so I read that book and I was like,
Speaker 6: all it's talking about is the way you think. Where's
Speaker 6: the actual like system, where's the yeah, And all my
Speaker 6: mentors kept telling me, no, No, that is the secret.
Speaker 6: You got to tune the way you think about things.
Speaker 6: You have to see yourself as being the person that
Speaker 6: you want to be. Start identifying like not just a
Speaker 6: nice car, what car? What brando of car? And you know,
Speaker 6: what does the house actually look like? What does it
Speaker 6: feel like? And part of that is, you know, this
Speaker 6: is silly that I feel silly for admitting this, but
Speaker 6: one of the things that I will do from time
Speaker 6: to time if I need a series of breakthroughs in
Speaker 6: my life is all sit down and do a vision board.
Speaker 6: You know. I saw this on Oprah when I was
Speaker 6: like in high school or something. My mom's watching Oprah
Speaker 6: in the other room, and I'm like, oh, I'm gonna
Speaker 6: try this, and so go get a poster board, get
Speaker 6: a bunch of magazines and cut out the pictures of
Speaker 6: the things that you want, and don't think about it.
Speaker 6: Just whatever you're drawing to, just cut it out, put
Speaker 6: it on the board, and then every day pin that
Speaker 6: in your bedroom, so every day you look at it
Speaker 6: and just think about it and visualize yourself having those things. Dude,
Speaker 6: it's sick. How do stuff just starts coming to you.
Speaker 6: But the exact kind of car that I cut the
Speaker 6: picture out like it was within a couple months, boom,
Speaker 6: that's the car that I've got my hands. And I
Speaker 6: didn't even notice it until I looked back at the board.
Speaker 9: So yeah, you shouldn't even feel silly talking like that,
Speaker 9: you know what I mean? Because we all know that
Speaker 9: you can you can see things in the world and
Speaker 9: maybe you're you're not consciously aware of that, you know.
Speaker 9: And I had a really weird experience, so we can
Speaker 9: get into that later. But basically, my my subconscious mind
Speaker 9: was noticing certain things that I was not fully aware of,
Speaker 9: and then I had some weird vision when I was
Speaker 9: thinking a nap of some lightning and shit like that,
Speaker 9: and then I get up and two hours later a
Speaker 9: storm rolls in and there's a bunch of lightning. There
Speaker 9: was no way I saw nothing with my conscious mind
Speaker 9: that a storm was coming that that, you know, there
Speaker 9: was no clouds in the distance, nothing like that. And
Speaker 9: so somehow my subconscious mind was aware of what I
Speaker 9: wasn't And so you, uh, what is that called when
Speaker 9: you're when you're Byron, I think you taught us this,
Speaker 9: but when you're seeing something throughout the day and you're
Speaker 9: just it's in your subconscious mind. But that doesn't sound
Speaker 9: silly to me at all, Dude, to look at stuff
Speaker 9: like that, and it's kind of reprogramming your mind to
Speaker 9: expect to see these things even without.
Speaker 8: You really knowing it.
Speaker 4: It's almost like, so that's a magic in itself, like
Speaker 4: a premonition at that point.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 7: Up on the omens is a super important thing. You know,
Speaker 7: that's something especially filtering ound, something that's not just in
Speaker 7: your head, and like actually like a synchronicity or an
Speaker 7: omen and that's like a fascinating phenomenon about this place,
Speaker 7: this realm you know, because it's I mean, imagine what
Speaker 7: kind of mechanism would have to be for that that
Speaker 7: many people in the world to be receiving these messages
Speaker 7: all the time from the environment, and how many people
Speaker 7: just don't even pay attention to it. But imagine the
Speaker 7: mechanism behind that, Like if it was like computer software,
Speaker 7: you know, like imagine because everyone gets these you know,
Speaker 7: it's not like worthy only ones.
Speaker 6: Well, dude, it's not. No, that's a crazy that's a
Speaker 6: crazy point. So excuse me. My fiance and I were
Speaker 6: hanging out in Vegas. I just live right over the
Speaker 6: border of Vegas, so it's a fun town to go
Speaker 6: hang out in. So we're hanging out in Vegas and uh,
Speaker 6: we're up in the we're up in the hotel room
Speaker 6: doing a ritual for Hakante, the goddess of the underworld,
Speaker 6: and we walk out. As soon as we get on
Speaker 6: the street, we see this this fires boom and then
Speaker 6: Pitchfork comes up out of the fire and it's just
Speaker 6: some advertisement for something, and it's like, I felt like
Speaker 6: I got transported into hell itself.
Speaker 8: As soon as we saw that.
Speaker 6: It's like, what the heck, I'm like, and she goes
Speaker 6: she goes, did you see that? That was like a
Speaker 6: straight sign. I'm like yeah. And then we walk and
Speaker 6: there's there's a bunch of keys that we see, and
Speaker 6: there's keys everywhere, which is another symbol for her, and
Speaker 6: just everywhere we're looking, it's like the world is just
Speaker 6: flashing with these symbols. So like by I'm saying like
Speaker 6: this is this is a meta communication with the spirits
Speaker 6: you're working with and with your environment itself, and it is.
Speaker 6: It does make you wonder about like the holographic nature
Speaker 6: of it because it's doing this for everybody, but most
Speaker 6: people are just ignoring it. Most people don't even see
Speaker 6: the signs. But so I call this the voice of magic.
Speaker 6: The voice of magic. It can be just little signs
Speaker 6: that you see. You know, don't leave your wallet there,
Speaker 6: You're gonna forget it, and then you forget your wallet.
Speaker 6: So the little voice of every single time there's a choice,
Speaker 6: it's like a crossroads that you're facing. Are you going
Speaker 6: to dis miss it as an accident or are you
Speaker 6: going to recognize it for what it is. If you
Speaker 6: recognize it for what it is, this doorway opens that
Speaker 6: makes more of those things happen, And so and and
Speaker 6: more of those things happen, and you become it becomes clearer,
Speaker 6: the voice gets super clear, to the point that you
Speaker 6: see the you see the if you'll see the answer
Speaker 6: to the question before you've in bother it to ask
Speaker 6: it while you're thinking about the question. But you're like, oh, damn, okay,
Speaker 6: cool dude.
Speaker 7: And it's like magic itself, you know, like leaves this
Speaker 7: like kind of calling card behind, you know, where it
Speaker 7: lets you know if someone's attacking you or if your
Speaker 7: spell is working, you know things are going good. You know,
Speaker 7: like the magic itself has this way of like just
Speaker 7: leaving it's it's residue behind just to inform you or
Speaker 7: anyone else.
Speaker 5: You know, dude. You know what's funny is is that?
Speaker 5: All right? So just to let all the one out there.
Speaker 4: No, we actually had these two guys scheduled a few
Speaker 4: days ago to come on the show, and uh, and
Speaker 4: I double booked and I didn't, you know, remember to
Speaker 4: jotted down the calendar.
Speaker 5: And I was like, oh, my God, of all people to.
Speaker 4: Leave like that, you know, waiting in the balance, and
Speaker 4: I'm like, this guy's gonna do a fucking baineful magic
Speaker 4: spell on me, like this is the worst.
Speaker 5: Person to leave behind. Oh my god, I hope he doesn't.
Speaker 7: And then you didn't reply back for a day or two,
Speaker 7: and I was like, oh shit, it's already happening.
Speaker 5: What's going on.
Speaker 8: I started to feel sick and shit, I won't.
Speaker 6: Hit me up and said, should we curse these guys
Speaker 6: or what?
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I'm happy you guys.
Speaker 4: Yeah. So, Eric, you had mentioned about how the left
Speaker 4: hand path kind of gets a bad rep Can you
Speaker 4: explain what you mean by that?
Speaker 6: Yeah? Yeah, okay, So so we we've got to go
Speaker 6: We've got to go a bit for far back and
Speaker 6: go back to India, because that's where the term the
Speaker 6: left hand path comes from. Because understood that there's the
Speaker 6: right hand path, that's the solar path, the path of
Speaker 6: the daytime, the things that are obvious in life, the
Speaker 6: obvious gods, the obvious practices, and then you have the
Speaker 6: left hand path, the nighttime path. And so so where
Speaker 6: the daytime path, the solar path, and the right hand
Speaker 6: path is the it's a masculine path. It's a path
Speaker 6: of aggression and work and doing things in the physical world.
Speaker 6: The nighttime path is more turning into the unconscious, turning
Speaker 6: into the unknown. It's a feminine path of opening yourself
Speaker 6: up to receive the mysterious, not necessarily be so much
Speaker 6: in control. And this has created a bit of a
Speaker 6: division when this idea came over, Madame Blobotsky brought this
Speaker 6: over with earth. Was that the theosophy, theosophy, theosophy theosophy,
Speaker 6: all right, ye, yeah, Well she brought that over and
Speaker 6: imported the term left hand path and right hand path
Speaker 6: into that. She really made a disservice by saying the
Speaker 6: left hand path is the evil, demonic side, the right
Speaker 6: hand path is the good side, because that's not what
Speaker 6: it is at all. These are these are night and day,
Speaker 6: they're they're a perfect balance. And and so that's gotten
Speaker 6: filter through our Judaeo Christian society as left hand path
Speaker 6: is demonic and bad, demons are bad, Satanism is bad
Speaker 6: and and and evil, and obviously Christianity, which is responsible
Speaker 6: for more crimes and horrendous things to children and everything
Speaker 6: than anything we've ever seen before, that's the good side.
Speaker 6: And so it's like, so that same false division is
Speaker 6: really affecting the whole thing. Is the things that most
Speaker 6: of the time, most of the time when a magician
Speaker 6: refers to a demon. They're not talking about something evil.
Speaker 6: They're talking about ancient gods that pre date Christianity and Judaism.
Speaker 6: You know, you look at you look at ninga Zita.
Speaker 6: The first serpent god is literally just a serpent god,
Speaker 6: a giant serpent. Christians freak out about that kind of stuff.
Speaker 6: That's obviously evil, but that's one of the very first
Speaker 6: gods ever worshiped. And so when you go back further
Speaker 6: and further in time to our modern perception filter through
Speaker 6: Judeo Christian lens, it does look very evil. And so
Speaker 6: there is that now also there's a there's there's an
Speaker 6: additional matter of people always wanting to scapegoat their problems.
Speaker 6: So anything that we don't want to admit that we have,
Speaker 6: it's easier than to admit we have problems than to
Speaker 6: just say, oh, these people over here, they're not of
Speaker 6: our tribe. Therefore let's let's blame them. That's always kind
Speaker 6: of the pattern. And and so those those things kind
Speaker 6: of brought together do give Left Hand Path a bad
Speaker 6: name that if anybody ever says they're working with black magic,
Speaker 6: it's automatically assumed that they're cursing people or that they're manipulating,
Speaker 6: or that they're doing doing generally like bad nefarious things.
Speaker 6: I would say that, no, they're they're actually that you're
Speaker 6: actually just tuning into the more mysterious, the darker, sometimes
Speaker 6: absolutely the forbidden things. And that is I never I
Speaker 6: understand whether I understand where there are safeguards there. You know,
Speaker 6: don't call the worst of the worst demons because he'll
Speaker 6: destroy your life. He might destroy your life, but I
Speaker 6: still like to call him. There's still and call.
Speaker 4: Him, Oh yeah, dude, yeah, it's a that's man. That
Speaker 4: is so interesting to do that. And I was actually
Speaker 4: talking with somebody earlier that said, oh, you know, I
Speaker 4: don't believe in spells, and I'm like, like, what do
Speaker 4: you mean.
Speaker 5: You don't believe in it?
Speaker 4: Like you you believe that it's not happening, like you
Speaker 4: think that it's not working.
Speaker 5: No, I don't believe in any of that.
Speaker 4: I'm like, what would be a way that what would
Speaker 4: be a spell that I could do to show you
Speaker 4: that it actually does work and that there is something
Speaker 4: truly behind it. And so I was just curious, you know,
Speaker 4: and not to get too personal, you know, you don't
Speaker 4: have to say anything.
Speaker 5: You don't want to.
Speaker 4: But is there has there been like a ritual or
Speaker 4: a spell that you've done that you were like, oh
Speaker 4: my god, I can't believe it worked. Like, have you
Speaker 4: had a few of those instances?
Speaker 6: Oh? Yeah, there are a couple of them that are
Speaker 6: so out there that I won't mention them, But but
Speaker 6: there are some that there are some that that I'll
Speaker 6: look at the world headlines, I'm like, how can I
Speaker 6: I want to read something on the New York Times headline?
Speaker 6: What's that going to be? And uh and and so
Speaker 6: I'll even as soon as I got into radionics, it
Speaker 6: got really easy to do that where I programmed specific
Speaker 6: phrases that I want to have pop up and in
Speaker 6: the the pop up in the world headlines and then
Speaker 6: start seeing that that phrase boom all over and so
Speaker 6: so playing little games with reality like that for sure.
Speaker 6: I mean, look, i'd like I actually I'm going to
Speaker 6: take this to a more personal level though, is uh
Speaker 6: my daughter was when she was like one, maybe two
Speaker 6: years old in between when you know, when she's one
Speaker 6: and a half years one and a half years old,
Speaker 6: she got she got started getting really sick, heating up,
Speaker 6: and and just we couldn't keep her temperature down no
Speaker 6: matter what we did. Every every day we're having her
Speaker 6: at the doctor's office and the doctor's running tasks, can't
Speaker 6: figure it out. Is going on about a week, and
Speaker 6: she said she's at this point, she's not keeping fluids down.
Speaker 6: You know, as soon as she's drinks it, drinks anything,
Speaker 6: she's peeking it back up. And you know, we had
Speaker 6: her in the er a couple of times and they
Speaker 6: sent us home and they're like, look, next thing you
Speaker 6: come in, it's is ICU time. And I was like, oh, okay,
Speaker 6: this is bad. So I actually call a demon that
Speaker 6: I've worked with a lot, King pime On. He's great
Speaker 6: for making you know, getting getting my jobs to you know,
Speaker 6: whatever whatever I needed, little little things in the world
Speaker 6: they needed, he was always there. So I called him.
Speaker 6: He's like, hey, hey, this isn't my realm. I don't
Speaker 6: do healing. And I'm like, ah, but you know, see
Speaker 6: what you can do. And he's like, I'm telling you
Speaker 6: I don't do healing. I was like, just do do
Speaker 6: the best you can for me. She gets instantly worse,
Speaker 6: instantly just starts plummeting and uh. And so I call
Speaker 6: him back and I was like, what the hell is
Speaker 6: going on here, dude? He says, I told you I
Speaker 6: don't do healing. You need to go to the archangel Raphael.
Speaker 6: And I was like, wait a minute, dude, you're a
Speaker 6: demonic king and you're telling me to go to an archangel.
Speaker 6: What's going on here? He goes, I'm telling you to
Speaker 6: go to the best person for the job. She's a child.
Speaker 6: He will heal on her. And that is the thing,
Speaker 6: because like, if you're an awful person with all kinds
Speaker 6: of sin under your belt, angels might not heal you.
Speaker 6: But if you're a child, you know they can come through.
Speaker 6: So I call Colin Raphael. Didn't have a communication or
Speaker 6: a connection with him, just an understanding that his light
Speaker 6: was passing to her pretty much instant recovery. Instant recovery.
Speaker 6: And then as she's as her temperature's coming down and
Speaker 6: she started to get coloring her cheeks again, get a
Speaker 6: call from the doctor. Just got the test results back.
Speaker 6: It's this and this, We know exactly what to give her.
Speaker 6: Just bring her in and bring her in the morning.
Speaker 6: If she's stabilizing, you should be good. But it was
Speaker 6: clear sailing and so for me, it's like it's fun
Speaker 6: to make little stuff happen in the world and to
Speaker 6: manipulate people and do that kind of stuff. But when
Speaker 6: the rubber meets the road, my daughter wouldn't be alive
Speaker 6: if it weren't for magic. And so that's the kind
Speaker 6: of stuff that blows my mind. That makes me grateful,
Speaker 6: that makes me humble with the that it does make
Speaker 6: me humble. That's the thing that's that's the thing that
Speaker 6: people don't really really understand from the outside. This stuff
Speaker 6: does not inflate your ego. It does the exact opposite.
Speaker 6: It makes you go, oh man, I'm so small and
Speaker 6: this power is so big.
Speaker 8: Oh my's incredible. Man. Thanks for sharing that, dude.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's crazy, man, just out of curiosity. I'm trying
Speaker 4: to understand, like exactly how how it works. Whenever you're
Speaker 4: saying that, like you called him up, like what is
Speaker 4: what does that mean?
Speaker 6: Yeah? Yeah, no, no, thank you, thank you. Let's let's
Speaker 6: break it down, all right. So at that time, I'm
Speaker 6: living in a little apartment, just a you know, a
Speaker 6: second story apartment, and uh my wife at the time,
Speaker 6: ex wife, she was she was tolerant of everything. She
Speaker 6: wasn't really getting you know, into it herself, but she
Speaker 6: would tolerate all my rituals. She kin't have to. So
Speaker 6: I go in the living room and I lay down
Speaker 6: a it's so amateur, but I took a tape, just
Speaker 6: blue painters tape, and just made a circle out of
Speaker 6: the blue painters tape, made a triangle out of the tape,
Speaker 6: and then laid my incense in there. Put just a
Speaker 6: bowl of incense. So with the incense, I'll use discs
Speaker 6: just like hookah discs that I'll then put like resin
Speaker 6: on top of. And so I did that, got candles
Speaker 6: at each of the corners of the triangle and then
Speaker 6: started keeping incense on there and calling out to King
Speaker 6: pime On. And so with the calling out, I keep
Speaker 6: my invocations super simple because what I'm trying to do,
Speaker 6: I'm not trying to get this flowery sound and good thing.
Speaker 6: I'm just I'm trying to get myself into a deep,
Speaker 6: deep state with my eyes open, still functioning, but get
Speaker 6: my mind as low as I can. And so King
Speaker 6: pime On, Come, King pime On, Come, and just continue
Speaker 6: that and just keep myself going lower and lower as
Speaker 6: I'm looking at the smoke. Now what starts happening there.
Speaker 6: You can feel the presence of the spirit come into
Speaker 6: the room. You can feel like your body constricts a bit,
Speaker 6: like it feels like it feels like you've got a
Speaker 6: compression suit on that gets a little bit tighter. If
Speaker 6: it gets a little harder to breathe, start getting a
Speaker 6: little dizzy like like it's it's it does feel like
Speaker 6: it's again harder to breathe, for sure. And then that
Speaker 6: if you keep your eyes open looking at the smoke,
Speaker 6: you're going to see strange things popping out of the
Speaker 6: smoke a little, a little, you know, a puff of
Speaker 6: smoke will look like a skull, or look like a serpent.
Speaker 6: And those are cool symbols, but the real, the real
Speaker 6: contact is happening behind the scenes inside your mind. That
Speaker 6: that keeping yourself in that low place. The very first
Speaker 6: time I call King Pymon in my mind, it was
Speaker 6: a voice coming from above me saying, who do you
Speaker 6: think you are? Who have called me? And I was like, oh, correct,
Speaker 6: The only answer for that is it's not me. It's
Speaker 6: God who's calling you here? It's not me. It is
Speaker 6: yead hey, bob hey, it is it is you know.
Speaker 6: Do you just go through different God names of what
Speaker 6: resonates for you, because you're not calling him as a human,
Speaker 6: you're actually invoking divinity within you. And and so I
Speaker 6: go through that whole whole repetition, and you know he
Speaker 6: comes into a more comely form. But that is usually
Speaker 6: it's there's going to be strange phenomenon flashing. You'll see
Speaker 6: I'll see visibly flashing lights, like the light in the
Speaker 6: room starts pulsing and all of that. But it's almost
Speaker 6: like that's I treat that anything that's happening with my
Speaker 6: eyes is a distraction from the inner thing that's happening.
Speaker 6: The communication is happening within now. One little, one actually
Speaker 6: big secret that I use to unlock it is is
Speaker 6: this little rule here. If you want to get an answer,
Speaker 6: you have to ask a question. Because most of the
Speaker 6: time when you're sitting in that state, it's like, okay,
Speaker 6: pime on, you're here, thanks for coming. If you don't
Speaker 6: have anything to go on, it's it doesn't really build.
Speaker 6: You've got to build it with your questions. So I say,
Speaker 6: bring three to five good questions into it. And so
Speaker 6: just start out, you know, who are you? You can
Speaker 6: have your first question, who are you what's your name?
Speaker 6: That's actually a good question to start with if you
Speaker 6: don't know the spirit, so it can talk a bit
Speaker 6: about itself and then just build on it from there.
Speaker 6: But you'll ask to ask the question out loud, and
Speaker 6: most of the time, most of the time, the answer
Speaker 6: just starts popping off in your head, usually in an
Speaker 6: inner voice that's not your own. It's a very clear,
Speaker 6: different tone, a different just a different everything. Just inject
Speaker 6: it into your mind. Now. One cool thing about it
Speaker 6: is you can pose it, rewind it, and play it
Speaker 6: forward exactly the same way. If you miss out what
Speaker 6: a saying, you're trying to take notes and you're like whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa,
Speaker 6: back up, it'll whatever this whatever's happening here, it is
Speaker 6: like it's playing a recording because it'll go the exact
Speaker 6: same tone, not missing a beat, and it'll tell you
Speaker 6: the exact same thing again, almost like it's a pre
Speaker 6: recorded message waiting for you to unpack it. And so
Speaker 6: now what I'm saying, what I'm saying, most of the
Speaker 6: time it'll be this inner experience. I'm saying that because
Speaker 6: you do have these sideball phenomenons where I'll see the
Speaker 6: person I'll see the spirit in front of me and
Speaker 6: it'll it'll shock me. Oh again. You Usually it won't
Speaker 6: be dead in front of me. It'll be right off
Speaker 6: to the corner. It'll be in the peripheral vision and
Speaker 6: I can see every detail of them until I look
Speaker 6: or or I'll hear something actually audibly and go, is
Speaker 6: somebody in the house or whatever. But most of the time,
Speaker 6: most of the communication has happened in the inner. But
Speaker 6: I'm going to tell you what that is just one
Speaker 6: thing with magic, there's there's no one path for it.
Speaker 6: Everybody has their own unique path. So with that, i'd
Speaker 6: actually like to hear from Byron what his experience with evocation,
Speaker 6: spirit contact and all of that is like, because he
Speaker 6: might have a completely different perspective.
Speaker 7: Let's go, well, so it's just a free too, because
Speaker 7: I think this is he kind of hinted at it
Speaker 7: before how it is a big part of your magical practice.
Speaker 7: But before I get into some of my stuff, I
Speaker 7: just want to say, you know, there's like these key
Speaker 7: moments in like the evolution of magic. You know, like
Speaker 7: Crowley was one of those, you know, he was a
Speaker 7: guy that kind of first brought like yoga to the
Speaker 7: scene and all that stuff too. A lot of people
Speaker 7: forget about the whole yoga thing and how important that was,
Speaker 7: you know. Then you know, like like Austin Osmond Spear
Speaker 7: coming up with sigils, which later you know was with
Speaker 7: the chaos. Chaos magic blew a lot off the roof
Speaker 7: and it came to the development of magic even the
Speaker 7: Satanic Bible, you know. But one of those key moments
Speaker 7: in the evolution of magic I think comes predominantly from
Speaker 7: Eric and his emphasis and constant emphasis and breakdown of evocation.
Speaker 7: I think that's one of those things that I think
Speaker 7: there's a lot of people that don't even understand how
Speaker 7: important that is. You know, that was at the time
Speaker 7: that you're emphasizing all of that, because you know, I've
Speaker 7: heard people say, like they've tried Golden Downto Wick nothing
Speaker 7: worked until they found you. And not just and not
Speaker 7: just little kids either, I mean like people in their
Speaker 7: forties and fifties. I've heard say that, and uh so, well,
Speaker 7: you know.
Speaker 6: Let me actually let me start to just interrupt you
Speaker 6: real quick. And one of the big things that I
Speaker 6: feel like I was able to bring to the scene
Speaker 6: with with spirit summoning was a breakdown of the elementary
Speaker 6: principles of evocation. And I'm not going to go through
Speaker 6: all of them, but I've got I've got seven elementary principles,
Speaker 6: you know, in investing yourself in the spirit, working with
Speaker 6: the usable system. I've got these these principles that it
Speaker 6: was like, no matter what system you're working with, these
Speaker 6: always appear. And so make sure you do these. And
Speaker 6: if you do these, you're going to have a successful evocation.
Speaker 6: And sure enough, that is it is most magic works
Speaker 6: that way. It's a science that if you plug in
Speaker 6: the right details, you're going to get the result. But
Speaker 6: turn it back to you Byron.
Speaker 7: Yeah, So I just I just really want to to
Speaker 7: kind of frame that real quick because I think it's
Speaker 7: really important how important evocation is. That's like one of
Speaker 7: the main pillars of magic. And it's always been kind
Speaker 7: of a mystery, you know, because you did just write
Speaker 7: books on it, you put out uh, you know, a
Speaker 7: chorus on it, and then you know, just constantly talking
Speaker 7: about in your live streams, in your in your video
Speaker 7: that I think that was super important in the evolution
Speaker 7: of magic. Like I said, I don't think you get
Speaker 7: the the props you deserve for that, I don't think.
Speaker 7: I think I think it went over a lot of
Speaker 7: people's heads how important that was.
Speaker 6: You can't nothing, nothing, nothing great is ever created with
Speaker 6: the expect of props. Like you gotta just do what
Speaker 6: you're doing. Some you know, some of my stuff flops.
Speaker 6: Some of my stuff I'm like, oh, that was a
Speaker 6: shitty book. But some of it sometimes sometimes you hit it,
Speaker 6: but you just got to keep doing the thing. Yeah, totally.
Speaker 6: Uh yeah.
Speaker 7: So so what's the question, uh, like thoughts on like
Speaker 7: evocation and stuff.
Speaker 6: What's the subjective experience for you? Like, when you're working
Speaker 6: with the spirit, is it you know, are you getting
Speaker 6: into because I get into a really deep, like almost
Speaker 6: internal psychedelic state with it. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 7: You know, especially if I'm doing magic indoors, I try
Speaker 7: to do like a series of warm ups and meditations
Speaker 7: and stuff. You really activate everything that helps a lot.
Speaker 7: I find, like let's say you're warmost like a chakra meditation, uh,
Speaker 7: you know, and do all that. You know, I'll also
Speaker 7: activate the chakras in my hands and feet but also
Speaker 7: my eyeballs, and I really feel like, you know, when
Speaker 7: and when you're running a grounding courts every time you're
Speaker 7: breathing in, you got those energy coming from the earth
Speaker 7: up here, and then you know the same thing coming
Speaker 7: from the cosmos. And then when you have the both
Speaker 7: your eyeballs and your third eye also activated, it makes
Speaker 7: it really in your hands and feets. So it makes
Speaker 7: it really easy to charge the sigil and really get
Speaker 7: into a magical state of mind. But as far as
Speaker 7: like communication goes, yeah, you know, it's basically the same thing.
Speaker 7: Like uh, it kind of depends on the spirit because
Speaker 7: sometimes it's so profound where you can see everything crystal
Speaker 7: clear and every the back and forth is happening really
Speaker 7: fast and clear, you know. But other times, like I said,
Speaker 7: like you were saying, it's a it's an inner monologue,
Speaker 7: and it's usually like the first thing you hear in
Speaker 7: your head too, when when you're asking these questions and
Speaker 7: you're in this moment and stuff. You know a lot
Speaker 7: of beginners they might struggle with that and it might
Speaker 7: take him a while, you know, like they'll probably just
Speaker 7: get downloads as it goes on, you know.
Speaker 9: But to cut you guys off real quick when you
Speaker 9: are getting some kind of a message, is it.
Speaker 8: Like any at all?
Speaker 9: Like a longer dialogue or is it like a word
Speaker 9: or two? Because I feel like I've had experiences where
Speaker 9: I've heard some voice and it was just like one word,
Speaker 9: you know, and I was like, Oh, where'd that come?
Speaker 9: And it kind of freaked me out because it felt
Speaker 9: like I could actually hear it, you know, and it
Speaker 9: was just one singular word.
Speaker 8: And so I just get the thoughts on that I've.
Speaker 6: Got my like, my evocation of Michael here was let
Speaker 6: me see. Uh, let's say, do you have a message
Speaker 6: for me? I just open question, right, do you have
Speaker 6: a message for me? He says, keep going? We almost
Speaker 6: lost you, and shit, get got dark for a minute there,
Speaker 6: and she got real dark for me for a minute there,
Speaker 6: and so he goes, we almost lost you. Never lose hope,
Speaker 6: not because I am with you or some other helper
Speaker 6: helps you, but because you have yourself. Never lose hope.
Speaker 6: Keep going. So that was my message from Michael the Archangel, Right,
Speaker 6: I just asked to get a message for me. He's like,
Speaker 6: this is what And so the way that that appears
Speaker 6: to me is just keep going, was the first thing.
Speaker 6: It's just boom, I understood. It just popped in my head.
Speaker 6: Keep going. So I write it down, and I was
Speaker 6: writing this as I'm getting the message keep going. As
Speaker 6: soon as I've got that written down, the next thing
Speaker 6: just starts coming. It just starts coming, and it gets
Speaker 6: to the point when you get used to it. Well,
Speaker 6: let me back up. Byron says this can be difficult
Speaker 6: for beginners. The difficulty is trusting yourself, just getting yourself
Speaker 6: out of the way and going. You know what, I
Speaker 6: asked the question, this is whatever comes through, I'm just
Speaker 6: going to write it down and just I'll play make
Speaker 6: believe and I'll evaluate it later. So now with this,
Speaker 6: this was a really clear message, and luckily for me,
Speaker 6: it was in English. It's not always the case. I've
Speaker 6: gotten messages in Portuguese. I don't speak Portuguese. I've never
Speaker 6: listened to Portuguese in my life. I've gotten messages in Portuguese.
Speaker 6: I've had to go and translate. I've had messages appear
Speaker 6: to me in Aramaic that I've had to translate and
Speaker 6: so and with that, they're not it's not that the
Speaker 6: spirit doesn't speak my language. It's that they're wanting me
Speaker 6: to go search it out and find out Because in
Speaker 6: studying Aramaic, I found out out all about some of
Speaker 6: the first gnostics, the gnostics that exist and existed in Nabatea,
Speaker 6: and that that just let me down a whole rabbit hole.
Speaker 6: And so it's like they were waving a flag but
Speaker 6: kind of making me chase them down the rabbit hole.
Speaker 6: Like leg Byron said, they leave their fingerprints on everything,
Speaker 6: and so it's like once you start seeing it, it's like, oh, okay, yeah,
Speaker 6: just follow follow it down the rabbit hole.
Speaker 7: Now, how many times do you get the answer to
Speaker 7: the question before you even asked the question, like right
Speaker 7: before like a whole Probably probably all the time, huh,
Speaker 7: like most of the time, right a lot. That's another
Speaker 7: trippy thing, you know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, dude, that's happened to me too.
Speaker 4: I Mean I tell this story all the time about
Speaker 4: how I did like a super heroic dosage of mushrooms
Speaker 4: one time and the elohem came in started fucking talking
Speaker 4: to me, like and it wasn't like a sound from outside,
Speaker 4: but it was like I was hearing sounds in my
Speaker 4: own head that I knew one hundred percent was not me,
Speaker 4: like speaking in trumpet voices, and for some reason, I
Speaker 4: just knew that I could ask it questions, and at
Speaker 4: the I couldn't even finish the fucking question before the
Speaker 4: answer was right there, and I was so astonished about
Speaker 4: what the answer was that I didn't even want to
Speaker 4: ask my next question because I wanted to ask a
Speaker 4: butting question off of the answer that I had just gotten.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 4: So it's like, it's it's wild, it's such a crazy
Speaker 4: thing that goes on. But I, you know, in that instance,
Speaker 4: I felt as if there was like an absolute, some
Speaker 4: kind of powerful communication that I was having. But then
Speaker 4: I have other experiences, whether I'm in deep meditation or
Speaker 4: something like that, where I'm really trying to essentially hollow
Speaker 4: out the mind and open up some space for otherworldly
Speaker 4: so to say, communication, And most of the time it
Speaker 4: almost sounds like it's like my higher self of sorts,
Speaker 4: if I'm not necessarily calling upon anybody, like maybe just
Speaker 4: a higher version of.
Speaker 5: Me or something like that.
Speaker 4: And so whenever you guys are calling upon certain, uh,
Speaker 4: certain beings, like are you the answers that you're receiving
Speaker 4: in your mind once you've hollowed it out, are you
Speaker 4: just understanding that that is exactly who you are communicating with?
Speaker 4: Or how does that work? In your mind. So like,
Speaker 4: for example, I did ah, I did a terror reading
Speaker 4: the other day on myself, and I was really like
Speaker 4: trying to figure something out. It was kind of like
Speaker 4: a very important question that I wanted to ask. And
Speaker 4: I have this, uh, this little crystal that one of
Speaker 4: our one of our favorites gave to us, and it's
Speaker 4: a it's a little panda. And whenever I'd gotten that,
Speaker 4: I was like, instantly, I associate that with my grandmother
Speaker 4: who passed away about fifteen twenty years ago, right, And
Speaker 4: so specifically, whenever I had that crystal on top of
Speaker 4: the tarot deck, I was specifically calling upon her right
Speaker 4: and and I don't know, maybe that's that sounds wild,
Speaker 4: but I was like, I'm just gonna trust it and
Speaker 4: whatever reading that I get, I am going to have
Speaker 4: faith that this is the message that she is giving me.
Speaker 4: Nobody else, nothing else, It is only her right. And
Speaker 4: whenever I got that message, bang, it was exactly like, dude,
Speaker 4: it was so crazy because it was like a three
Speaker 4: card draw that I did, and it was it was
Speaker 4: almost exactly how she would say. It was the message
Speaker 4: that I got, And I was like, man, it just
Speaker 4: it never seems to amaze me. It never seems to
Speaker 4: not amaze me. Rather, and it's like, so basically my
Speaker 4: question is is that whenever you're calling upon said energy,
Speaker 4: is that are you just assuming that whatever voice pops
Speaker 4: into your head that that's exactly where that information is
Speaker 4: coming from.
Speaker 6: That's a great question because because not always you know that,
Speaker 6: not always there is a so you do have to
Speaker 6: develop a bit of a familiarity. You know, the first
Speaker 6: time you you encountered a spirit, you know, it's like
Speaker 6: somehow a lot of us get lucky that the first
Speaker 6: time we call King Pimon, he's the one that actually
Speaker 6: shows up and it's like hey, you know, and it
Speaker 6: starts working with you because other things, impostors could show up.
Speaker 6: And that's that. That is why I say that ask
Speaker 6: the ask the spirit's name. If you're not sure who
Speaker 6: it is, just take that extra step of going you're welcome,
Speaker 6: welcome to my temple, thank you for coming. What's your name?
Speaker 6: And a spirit like, for instance, is He's not just
Speaker 6: going to say is Azel. He's usually going to follow
Speaker 6: it up by, you know, I am as a lord
Speaker 6: of Saturn and that kind of rags about himself for
Speaker 6: a minute. That's that that. That's usually what the spirits
Speaker 6: will do is they'll they'll name maybe a couple of
Speaker 6: their epithets, or they'll just tell you their name. Tricks.
Speaker 6: Your spirits will try and try to get out of
Speaker 6: the question, and then you can do another further test
Speaker 6: of having them sign their name. And so you pass
Speaker 6: them a notebook and what they'll do is they'll just
Speaker 6: kind of usually wave their hand over it, and then
Speaker 6: you look at it with your psychic vision and you
Speaker 6: can see the imprint. It's like you look at the
Speaker 6: page and it looks like it's glowing, like a little
Speaker 6: glowing wherever they signed it. And they can and there's
Speaker 6: like supposedly a rule, you know, a spirit can't sign
Speaker 6: a name other than their own. I don't know how,
Speaker 6: I don't know how secure that is, but whatever seems
Speaker 6: to it seems to work enough. But so there are
Speaker 6: things like that that you can do, but it is
Speaker 6: largely going to be a matter of familiarity. If your
Speaker 6: grandma comes up and gives you a hug from behind,
Speaker 6: you you can feel that your grandma and not the
Speaker 6: guy that you owe money to. You know that that
Speaker 6: you can feel the essence of that person and So
Speaker 6: this comes back to to to the conversation about omens too.
Speaker 6: What's important. It's not that the fire happened in Vegas
Speaker 6: and the billboard said this thing. It's the fact that
Speaker 6: I noticed it at that exact time and it meant
Speaker 6: something to me that I took it in and I said, oooh,
Speaker 6: that's significant. That's the only thing that's really important. And
Speaker 6: because there are a million things that I'm ignoring while
Speaker 6: that one thing stands out to me. And so similarly,
Speaker 6: as you're doing the reading, you're like, I'll do all
Speaker 6: I do readings a lot for my daughter. I do
Speaker 6: readings for like clients and stuff. My daughter is a fiend.
Speaker 6: She comes to me all the time with everything she's
Speaker 6: got dad. And she's like twenty years old at this point,
Speaker 6: so she's got all kinds of stuff going on in
Speaker 6: her life she needs help with. I'm happy to guide her.
Speaker 6: But with that a lot of times I'll throw down
Speaker 6: the cards and I'll look at them and go, dude,
Speaker 6: there's nothing there. You got to reshuffle. I don't know,
Speaker 6: maybe you weren't thinking about it, maybe, but I'll look
Speaker 6: at the cards and I can just feel confusion, and
Speaker 6: I'm like, you gotta hit that again and so you
Speaker 6: so with that that feeling of discernment, I think that
Speaker 6: that takes precedence over all things. You can you know,
Speaker 6: you can feel if somebody is lying to you, and
Speaker 6: you can feel if they're being honest to you. You
Speaker 6: got to use that same discernment. This is you know,
Speaker 6: biblical the discernment of spirits. This is this is a
Speaker 6: gift that I think is embedded into us to be
Speaker 6: able to you know, to be able to tell that.
Speaker 6: So what about you? What do you what? What gifts?
Speaker 6: What what discernments do you use? And how do you
Speaker 6: know if you're talking to the real guy?
Speaker 7: Yeah, So going back to that that first advocation question,
Speaker 7: I guess the first sensation if feel like like as
Speaker 7: the spirit approaches and stuff, it's like a drop and pressure,
Speaker 7: you know, like like I'll feel that right away. But
Speaker 7: I get this kind of like a feeling in my ears,
Speaker 7: uh where it's almost like the sound changes, almost feels
Speaker 7: like I'm in like a vacuum chamber or something, you know.
Speaker 7: Uh but uh but yeah, so what discernment?
Speaker 6: You know?
Speaker 7: I feel like that's something you know, like you know,
Speaker 7: a pisces. Where did that echo come from, all right,
Speaker 7: But that's something like a Pisces will pick up on
Speaker 7: really quick. Because every Pisces, I know, you know, had
Speaker 7: that ability at a young age, you know. But you know,
Speaker 7: but you know, like a lot of Pisces though they
Speaker 7: can they can be hypochondriacs, you know, like, uh, you know,
Speaker 7: she's not.
Speaker 6: Like that anymore.
Speaker 7: But you know, my my woman's a pisc So but
Speaker 7: for discernment, man, you know that that's a tricky thing. Uh.
Speaker 6: I think some of it.
Speaker 7: It depends on the person because some people are just
Speaker 7: naturally good at it.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 7: For for me, it took a while of like learning
Speaker 7: how to tell people are lying is a big one,
Speaker 7: you know. And even and this is where I think
Speaker 7: like sometimes like the occult and conspiracies mesh really well
Speaker 7: because it's the same kind of muscle when you can
Speaker 7: like look at the news and know that it's a
Speaker 7: flat out lie, you know. So I think that same
Speaker 7: muscle applies to the occults. I think, you know, some
Speaker 7: of that stuff.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 7: One thing that helped me a lot with doing it
Speaker 7: quicker and picking up on that stuff, I think was
Speaker 7: the emotion code and muscle testing.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 7: But but for a long time. For a long time, though,
Speaker 7: you know, you have this logical part of your brain
Speaker 7: that wants to second guess it.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 7: It's it's one of those things where it's like the
Speaker 7: first voice is almost always right, but that second doubting
Speaker 7: voice is almost always wrong, you know, So you gotta
Speaker 7: just kind of once you pick up on that. But
Speaker 7: as far as spirits go with the tricksters and stuff,
Speaker 7: you know, I don't know. I think that's that's something
Speaker 7: like beginners would have to deal with more than anyone else,
Speaker 7: because you know, there's a saying, you know, you can
Speaker 7: have cats or you can have pets, you know. So
Speaker 7: so I think once you establish like a relationship with
Speaker 7: a few spirits and you're working with them, I think
Speaker 7: a lot of that is just going to kind of
Speaker 7: rectify itself.
Speaker 4: So just kind of like relying on your intuition a
Speaker 4: bit and understanding that, like, you know, especially after a while,
Speaker 4: you know, season vets, like y'all, it's it's probably just
Speaker 4: second nature that you know, if you're being fucked with,
Speaker 4: you know, if you're being told the truth kind of thing, well.
Speaker 6: Yeah, let me let me actually let me go a
Speaker 6: little to maybe a different area of this too is
Speaker 6: it's not all on us. And what I mean by
Speaker 6: that is my first evocation of is Azel. So Azel
Speaker 6: is known as the Scapegoat and he was one of
Speaker 6: the fallen angels that came here and taught men sorcery
Speaker 6: and warfare and all the cool stuff in life. And
Speaker 6: he so so I do my evocation of him, but
Speaker 6: I've I've just out of nowhere. I was like, you know,
Speaker 6: I'm going to try the spirit. I've heard his name
Speaker 6: a few times and I'll just I'll just reach out
Speaker 6: to him and see if he can help me with
Speaker 6: a book release I was doing at the time. And
Speaker 6: and so I uh, I called him and I said
Speaker 6: thank you for coming so quickly when I called you.
Speaker 6: And he said, no, thank you for coming so quickly
Speaker 6: when I called you. And I was like, what do
Speaker 6: you what do you mean? I uh, I did a
Speaker 6: whole and I I broke it down for him. I'm like,
Speaker 6: I did a whole evocation that I created so I
Speaker 6: could call you. And he goes, and you did that
Speaker 6: because I was telling you to do that, because I
Speaker 6: needed to talk to you. And I was like, oh, dang, okay,
Speaker 6: that that that flips the whole thing over on its head.
Speaker 6: Then is if if you if, if you're being pulled
Speaker 6: to call a specific spirit. It's not like you've got
Speaker 6: to weed through all the all the spirits are out there. No,
Speaker 6: it's already standing right next to you. And so here's
Speaker 6: what I'm actually going to say, is, if you start
Speaker 6: getting that inkling of I want to call I want
Speaker 6: to call us spirit, I want to call this specific spirit,
Speaker 6: just run it around in your mind. What would a
Speaker 6: ritual for this spirit look like? What kind of what
Speaker 6: kind of ritual would it want? Would it want a
Speaker 6: bunch of candles? What color are candles? Let yourself, because
Speaker 6: what's happening As you're asking yourself these questions you don't
Speaker 6: know the answers. The spirit's going to start filling in
Speaker 6: the blanks for you. And so you're going to start,
Speaker 6: you know, just as you as you start to ponder
Speaker 6: about it, you're going to start having the entire ritual
Speaker 6: that's just designed for you. You know exactly what to do.
Speaker 6: Sometimes a lot of times, actually people will start getting
Speaker 6: visions of the place they need to do with They're like, Oh,
Speaker 6: there's a spot in the woods I forgot all about
Speaker 6: and now I'm gonna go there and set up this
Speaker 6: ritual because they're being guided buy it. So so the
Speaker 6: spirit's already guiding you. It's not it's not that there's
Speaker 6: not a huge amount of effort actually in calling it.
Speaker 6: It's already there. The biggest effort is in relaxing, dropping
Speaker 6: your own walls and letting it happen.
Speaker 8: Oh my great, dude, dude.
Speaker 9: The way that you've covered some of this tonight has
Speaker 9: just been so like it's exciting, you know what I mean.
Speaker 9: It's like you're pulling us into your into your realm, dude,
Speaker 9: and it's just exciting. I wanted to ask one question though,
Speaker 9: because he did mention the trickster spirits, if you can, like,
Speaker 9: what is your understanding of the trickster spirits? Why are
Speaker 9: there trickster spirits?
Speaker 8: What is there?
Speaker 9: Obviously they want a trick us, but like why what?
Speaker 9: What's going on with that?
Speaker 6: But what most of them are low level vampires? Yeah,
Speaker 6: I missay. I'm gonna say most from the low level
Speaker 6: vampires that their little spirits and you know why they exist? Man,
Speaker 6: that's uh. There's a million things in this will win
Speaker 6: this reality that exists, and I'm not sure why they exist.
Speaker 6: But as far as they're concerned, they're trying to get attention. There. Okay,
Speaker 6: so let me back up. There's a guy, Mark Passio
Speaker 6: that if you haven't checked out, you've got to check
Speaker 6: him out. He is. He's done a lot of really
Speaker 6: cool things and understanding the occult symbolism that's everywhere in
Speaker 6: the world around us. And he introduced me to this concept.
Speaker 6: There are only two. There are two currencies that are universal.
Speaker 6: Every spirit will accept these currencies. And in fact, if
Speaker 6: you use these currencies in your life and your business
Speaker 6: and whatever, they do pay off. And that's your time
Speaker 6: and your attention. Everything is trying to get your time
Speaker 6: and your attention. And so that's the offering you can
Speaker 6: give any spirit or anything that you want to increase
Speaker 6: in your life. If something's not working out well, if
Speaker 6: somebody is treating you like shit, give them less of
Speaker 6: your time and attention. You see how they just go away.
Speaker 6: The things that you want to enhance in your life,
Speaker 6: give it more of your time and attention, they just flourish,
Speaker 6: And including the bad things. Something bad's going on, if
Speaker 6: you give it a bunch of your time and attention,
Speaker 6: it gets worse and worse, worse, And so this is
Speaker 6: these are universal currencies, and so these tricks are spirits
Speaker 6: are coming through trying to get some attention, just trying
Speaker 6: to get and and the way I visualize and they're
Speaker 6: not like full bodied spirits, it's almost like a floating
Speaker 6: sperm floating around or it looks like it actually to me,
Speaker 6: looks a lot like on the movie ghost the little
Speaker 6: black things that pull people to hell. I don't know
Speaker 6: if you saw the movie Ghosts with Patrick Swayzey, but
Speaker 6: it looks like that's just like these black shadows that
Speaker 6: are just kind of lingering around like a race and yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly,
Speaker 6: like a like a little like a like a not
Speaker 6: very well formed raith. Yeah. And and what they're trying
Speaker 6: to do is they're trying to get your energy. Now
Speaker 6: the way that they can you can you can see
Speaker 6: it progression here at first. So what they're trying to
Speaker 6: do is they're trying to get whatever attention. They're trying
Speaker 6: to get your they're trying to vamporize your time and
Speaker 6: attention to get your energy. And so first they'll just
Speaker 6: start moving things around and and and you know, opening
Speaker 6: covered dovers and turning on and off television sets. But
Speaker 6: something really dangerous happens if there's anybody in the house
Speaker 6: that gets afraid of them. If anybody gets afraid, Why
Speaker 6: that's dangerous is that's a ton of energy you just
Speaker 6: dumped down all over that spirit and then it starts
Speaker 6: learning something. It's like, oh, wait a minute, because these
Speaker 6: are actually really they're not they're not intelligent at all.
Speaker 6: They're really operating on a prime primitive like animalistic type
Speaker 6: of instinct. So they're looking at that going, oh, I
Speaker 6: got to get any more of that. That was good energy.
Speaker 6: Let me see what I can do to enhance the fear.
Speaker 6: And so they then they start causing nightmares and they
Speaker 6: start causing you know, sometimes the full on attacking people
Speaker 6: to try to get that fear response. So this is
Speaker 6: why when people say that they've you know, they're like, oh,
Speaker 6: all I need to do is call the name of
Speaker 6: Jesus is It doesn't matter the name of Jesus. You
Speaker 6: could be talking about rice krispies. As long as you're
Speaker 6: doing in an authentically competent voice, you are centered in
Speaker 6: yourself and you're not afraid. That's the ticket, right there,
Speaker 6: is to counteract the fear by whatever else you can
Speaker 6: and push it out. But you've also got to be
Speaker 6: careful of not feeding them anger or jealousy if you've
Speaker 6: got these kinds of things happening. So one of the
Speaker 6: things that I started noticing is I've just called it
Speaker 6: the spirit of contention. If you start arguing in the house,
Speaker 6: you kind of notice like a snowball, other people start arguing,
Speaker 6: The cats start fighting with each other, and it creates
Speaker 6: this momentum. You've got to do a full banishing. Get
Speaker 6: some sage out by and banish it out. Open the
Speaker 6: windows and let some fresh air in, or you know,
Speaker 6: say a prayer. Whatever it is that your system is
Speaker 6: to banish that negative energy, but treat it like an
Speaker 6: infesting spirit because it is, and it's going to start
Speaker 6: tormenting you. Because you got to look at this as
Speaker 6: an energy play. Everything's trying to get energy. I'm trying
Speaker 6: to get energy, and I love the energy I get
Speaker 6: off of coming on shows like this and talking to
Speaker 6: cool people and whatever. These little nasty things get their
Speaker 6: energy from low sources, low sources, and so they're going
Speaker 6: to try to stimulate it whatever through arguments and things
Speaker 6: like that. And yeah, again, just without fear cast them
Speaker 6: out with full confidence. We do have we do have
Speaker 6: an ability to set sacred space. That's like a spiritual
Speaker 6: thing that was given to us. And and you know,
Speaker 6: go back to the Bible. We're made in the image
Speaker 6: of God. I take that very literally, that we are
Speaker 6: actually we are living God. We are made in the
Speaker 6: in the likeness and with all of the power of
Speaker 6: our creator. And our existence is a matter of trying
Speaker 6: to unlock all of it and and remember it because
Speaker 6: we've forgotten. But with that, God, the Almighty Creator, has
Speaker 6: the ability to create boundaries and go, this is the universe,
Speaker 6: here's your solar system, and creates boundaries within which things
Speaker 6: can happen. And this is why you create the circle
Speaker 6: in the magical space. You are acting as God creating
Speaker 6: a boundary. And and so this isn't even just in Christianity.
Speaker 6: Let's look at it from the Norse mythology. Same thing
Speaker 6: the gods did. As soon as they killed the first
Speaker 6: giant Emr. They pulled his flesh down, they pulled down
Speaker 6: his eyebrows, and they put a boundary around mid guard
Speaker 6: and around their own asgard. So they're like, we're gonna
Speaker 6: we got to be protected. We got to have a
Speaker 6: sacred space. So that is something you can create, that
Speaker 6: sacred space around your home. Drawing a circle around your
Speaker 6: home is actually a really good idea, you know, even
Speaker 6: if you're not under attack. That's we're living in a
Speaker 6: war where there's a warfare going on everywhere around us.
Speaker 6: There are symbols being blasted at us, there are people
Speaker 6: using technology against us, there are mass manipulation campaigns going on.
Speaker 6: You got to you got to be able to come
Speaker 6: into your house and have that be your sacred space.
Speaker 6: And so absolutely go around your property with a bag
Speaker 6: of sault and just draw a salt circle around your
Speaker 6: property and you know whatever, your neighbors will think you're weird,
Speaker 6: but you'll be safe.
Speaker 5: Dude. All right.
Speaker 4: So I've been stewing on asking you this question because
Speaker 4: you had mentioned it earlier, and I was like, oh
Speaker 4: my god, I feel like you just unlocked something in
Speaker 4: my own mind. And then you kind of just touched
Speaker 4: on it again a little bit there, talking about made
Speaker 4: in the in the image of God, made in the
Speaker 4: likeness of God, and stuff like that. Essentially, you know,
Speaker 4: little pieces of God, you know, like a dropping the ocean,
Speaker 4: ocean ocean and a drop kind of thing whatever you
Speaker 4: want to call it, but it's uh. You know, you
Speaker 4: had mentioned earlier about how you were like one of
Speaker 4: your first invocations or evocations, you you had the spirit
Speaker 4: come on, what the hell was his name, King Paimon, right,
Speaker 4: and you had mentioned about like, all right, well you
Speaker 4: knew that he was there, but then you started saying, like,
Speaker 4: you know, yode Vave or whatever, calling on essentially like
Speaker 4: the name of God. And that's in that instance are
Speaker 4: you are you almost like embodying the highest version of
Speaker 4: God at that point to be able to command this spirit.
Speaker 6: Indeed, indeed for as far as like walking as the
Speaker 6: God and embodying them. So here's dude, you just yeah, one,
Speaker 6: you just open the box that makes this whole thing happen.
Speaker 6: Let's go the guy that me the person that takes
Speaker 6: out the trash and washes the dishes. I can't make
Speaker 6: miracles happen, right, I'm a monkey. I'm a monkey that's
Speaker 6: figuring this shit out. And so what's actually happened. What
Speaker 6: you need to do is one of the first aspects
Speaker 6: of any ritual is turn it over. You know, you
Speaker 6: you become a vessel for the higher thing that you
Speaker 6: want to call into yourself. So so I work quite
Speaker 6: a bit with the principle of yad hey evolve, which
Speaker 6: that's not Jehovah. Jehovah is this fake god that was
Speaker 6: created and from this principle. But I'm talking about a
Speaker 6: principle of pure light and pure creation and nothing but
Speaker 6: good involved in that, and I want you pull that
Speaker 6: into me as much as I can until I'm glowing
Speaker 6: with that. And so when I'm speaking the words, because
Speaker 6: because yeah, it was a challenge that he gave me,
Speaker 6: who are you to call me right now? The first
Speaker 6: instinct I had is, you know, run away, I'm nobody,
Speaker 6: And that's actually good. You are nobody. We're nobody's. That's
Speaker 6: the exactly way, because it's not me that's doing this. No,
Speaker 6: it is the highest of the high. It is the
Speaker 6: Almighty himself speaking through me. And to be honest, as
Speaker 6: you're saying this, you got to get into a bit
Speaker 6: of a crazy land because you know, saying these things
Speaker 6: in public conversation with people, it sounds silly and sounds
Speaker 6: but when you're actually you know, doing it in your
Speaker 6: own ritual, you are fully commanding it, and there's no
Speaker 6: doubt about it. In ceremonial magic, they call this assumption
Speaker 6: of God form, so that you actually choose which God
Speaker 6: you want to inhabit. Find out if do they in
Speaker 6: all of their depictions that they're always sitting down? Are
Speaker 6: they standing up? You do exactly what they do. Are
Speaker 6: they holding their hand in a specific way? You hold
Speaker 6: your hand in that way, and then you sit there
Speaker 6: and become them and let them come out and start
Speaker 6: moving through you. And so it is. It's like possession.
Speaker 6: But when we think of possession, we think a small
Speaker 6: version of possession, of like some little wandering popping into you.
Speaker 6: But this is possession by by the highest forces. And
Speaker 6: so yeah, yeah, absolutely, So that sounds a lot like
Speaker 6: it's sorry. Then it's through that that that that the
Speaker 6: whole thing happens. It's actually you're getting out of your
Speaker 6: way and letting the light of the Creator or the
Speaker 6: Source or whatever you want to say, that's just moving
Speaker 6: through you and making that stuff happen. And and with
Speaker 6: that the things that you speak. That's the voice of God.
Speaker 6: That is the commandment of the Almighty upon the world.
Speaker 6: But you've got to honor that by not getting your
Speaker 6: own bullshit in the way. And so if you feel
Speaker 6: like like, if that comes through you and you're like,
Speaker 6: you know what, Azazel, you are not going to be
Speaker 6: summoned tonight, good night. I'm shutting this thing down. You've
Speaker 6: got to honor that. You can't you can't push against it.
Speaker 6: You've got to open yourself up and keep yourself an
Speaker 6: open vessel.
Speaker 4: Oh man, dude, this almost this, This might it sound
Speaker 4: kind of crazy and some people are gonna think that
Speaker 4: it's downright blasphemous, but that's okay. That almost sounds exactly
Speaker 4: like what Jesus was doing. Am I tripping by saying that?
Speaker 8: I don't think so?
Speaker 4: He's going on the Father right that nobody goes to
Speaker 4: the Father except through me?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 9: Like?
Speaker 5: Is that not like him saying it?
Speaker 4: But people misunderstood it and misinterpreted kind of thing.
Speaker 7: Dude, when when Jesus heals was it the blind person?
Speaker 7: You know, everyone's around like, Jesus Christ, how did you
Speaker 7: do that? And he was just like, dude, that's nothing.
Speaker 7: You guys can probably do way coolest shit.
Speaker 9: Than that, right, hung his ass.
Speaker 6: That was Jesus's big teaching is is you know, don't
Speaker 6: don't worship me. I'm nobody. I'm nobody. It's the Father
Speaker 6: that deserves all of the praise. And he's inside of you.
Speaker 6: Good news, he's already inside of you. You don't have to
Speaker 6: go anywhere, you don't have to do anything. He the
Speaker 6: Father is already inside of each of us. And and like,
Speaker 6: like Byron just said, all of the miracles that I'm doing,
Speaker 6: you can do too, and even greater things. Because that's
Speaker 6: that's the real point of it. He's like, I'm doing
Speaker 6: some cool stuff. For sure, you can do this too,
Speaker 6: and even greater things. As he's dying and resurrecting himself,
Speaker 6: he's telling us you can do better than this. Come on, guys,
Speaker 6: step it up.
Speaker 8: Needs to get overlooked quite a bit.
Speaker 4: I think it's almost like, why would you worship the wizard, bro?
Speaker 4: He was showing you the way. You don't have to
Speaker 4: worship them in that sense, like understand what he was
Speaker 4: trying to say, but like to turn him into an idol.
Speaker 4: I think that that's exactly not what he wanted, right.
Speaker 6: Only there are the three tests of Satan, the three
Speaker 6: temptations of Christ that Satan gave him. So the first
Speaker 6: was to be able to transmute water. You know Drew,
Speaker 6: Jesus is fascinating for forty days and forty nights. The
Speaker 6: Satan comes to him and says, hey, awfully hungry, awfully thirsty,
Speaker 6: aren't you it? Once you take those stones and you
Speaker 6: can just command those stones to turn into bread and water,
Speaker 6: you can do it. You know that right, And he goes,
Speaker 6: all you got to do is worship me, and I'll
Speaker 6: give you that power. And Jesus has not to happen.
Speaker 6: I don't need to worship for you. I don't need
Speaker 6: bread and water. I can survive on the spirit alone,
Speaker 6: Thank you very much. So he goes, okay. Well, it
Speaker 6: takes him up above the above Jerusalem, shows him all
Speaker 6: of Jerusalem and supposedly the whole world, and says, all
Speaker 6: of this can be yours, all of this will be
Speaker 6: under your dominion if you worship me. I'm not going
Speaker 6: to worship you, like, I don't need all of this.
Speaker 6: Everything is already in my father's hands. Not going to
Speaker 6: worship you. Third test was takes him up a giant
Speaker 6: peak where he says, if you jump down, if you
Speaker 6: worship me, you can fall down and you won't die.
Speaker 6: I'll make you immortal. Heause, no, no, no, no, I'm not
Speaker 6: going to worship you now. In the hidden story here,
Speaker 6: in rejecting worship, in just rejecting worship, he got all
Speaker 6: three of those things. He had the ability because he
Speaker 6: came out of that all of a sudden. He's transmuting
Speaker 6: water into wine, he's raising the dead. He's doing exactly that.
Speaker 6: Christianity is one of the big religions all over the
Speaker 6: face of the earth. It worked. His spell fucking was
Speaker 6: cast and it worked. He did. You get immortality supposedly physically,
Speaker 6: but in any way that the myth is read. He's
Speaker 6: an immortal figure. So he gained all three of those things.
Speaker 6: And so the lesson I get from this is he's saying,
Speaker 6: don't worship, don't worship anything, and you'll get what you want.
Speaker 6: As soon as you start worshiping. That's when you're gonna
Speaker 6: lose all of these things.
Speaker 8: M I've never heard this before.
Speaker 4: That makes the most amount of sense, though, doesn't it does? Shit, Wow,
Speaker 4: I feel like you just unlocked the next level. Dude,
Speaker 4: I'm not hona line.
Speaker 6: Well then, and then let's let's let's go even a
Speaker 6: further step. And this goes back to like, are the
Speaker 6: demons really bad Jesus, and was Jesus really good? Jesus
Speaker 6: is being followed around the whole time by one spirit.
Speaker 6: He has a familiar spirit that's following him around all
Speaker 6: the time, always talking to him. Yappen in his ear.
Speaker 6: It's not the archangel Michael, it's not Gabriel. It is Satan.
Speaker 6: It is Satan walking alongside him every step of the way.
Speaker 6: You're gonna try to tell me this dude's not a sorcerer.
Speaker 6: Of course he's a sorcerer. He's got the devil he
Speaker 6: walkside him.
Speaker 8: Wow, that's crazy, dude.
Speaker 4: And all right now I'm kind of excited to go
Speaker 4: to church on one of these Sundays now, just to
Speaker 4: look at it from that angle, you know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 4: oh jeez, that is so crazy.
Speaker 5: So and this is the thing.
Speaker 4: And Byron, you always talk about it like it's it's
Speaker 4: almost like your it's like a divine right almost to
Speaker 4: be able to work with, you know, uh, magic in
Speaker 4: a sense. And it's like you know, you your famous
Speaker 4: saying is like your mind is a weapon, keep it loaded, right,
Speaker 4: And I just find that, like, you know, in combining
Speaker 4: it with what we're talking about right here, dude, we're
Speaker 4: fucking all sorcerers in that sense, right, Like we all
Speaker 4: have the ability to do these things and manipulate our surroundings.
Speaker 5: And in that sense, it's like and then.
Speaker 4: You got other people that are like, I don't know,
Speaker 4: maybe they're worshiping a certain deity or something like that,
Speaker 4: and it's almost like, man, I feel like you just
Speaker 4: don't understand what you're doing, and you're just doing, you know,
Speaker 4: what your parents told you to do and stuff like that.
Speaker 4: What do you really know about it, you know, other
Speaker 4: than just what everybody else is doing.
Speaker 5: And I don't know.
Speaker 4: I always found it fascinating that somebody could could call
Speaker 4: themselves religious or that they're a certain follower of said
Speaker 4: icon or whatever, but then they don't really even know
Speaker 4: the stories of it, you know. It's kind of like
Speaker 4: they're just doing it out of tradition at that point,
Speaker 4: which is who's that helping?
Speaker 7: And you know, I think it's one of those things too.
Speaker 7: For one day, most of them missed the point, you know,
Speaker 7: about the whole meaning of a book and everything, and
Speaker 7: then it's just, you.
Speaker 6: Know, eat it.
Speaker 7: They're on their whole other trip. But there's no point
Speaker 7: in being spiritual if you're not going to do work.
Speaker 7: So it doesn't matter if you're gonna be a Christian
Speaker 7: or a Muslim or whatever, you know, like or a
Speaker 7: new Ager or an occultist. Like I feel like you
Speaker 7: have to do work, you know, because you can read
Speaker 7: all the books in the world. You know, you can
Speaker 7: you know, you can pray and everything, and praying is
Speaker 7: one thing that'll help, you know, blessing your food before
Speaker 7: you eat it, that's huge, you know. But you have
Speaker 7: to do work. And and this is where people get
Speaker 7: really messed up because they think of magic. It's something
Speaker 7: that's like separate from them, like it's evil, you know,
Speaker 7: but it's like it's the part of us is the
Speaker 7: most real. It's the part of us is like linked
Speaker 7: closest to the creator and all of creation. You know,
Speaker 7: everyone has the ability to do this.
Speaker 6: And well, you know, let me actually go a little
Speaker 6: just one step further than that. It's it's not even
Speaker 6: it's not even that everybody could, but they don't. No, no, no,
Speaker 6: it's worse than that. Everybody is creating their reality accidentally unintentionally. Yeah,
Speaker 6: every single thought that you have, So let's let's just
Speaker 6: take that. If you think about something that's just a
Speaker 6: thought form, that's just a thought. It's not nothing really,
Speaker 6: But as soon as you start attaching energy through emotion
Speaker 6: to that thought, it starts creating a bubble of energy
Speaker 6: or even a stream of energy that connects that thing
Speaker 6: to manifesting. And so you start thinking your work, you know,
Speaker 6: working away, and you're like, God, my wife is such
Speaker 6: a bitches and you start grumbling about it, and you're like,
Speaker 6: I bet she's going to be in a bad mood
Speaker 6: when you're manifesting every bit of that. And so it's
Speaker 6: not just that people could use magic and the people
Speaker 6: are using sloppy magic. They're using unintentional magic, right because
Speaker 6: every thought you think, every word you speak.
Speaker 7: Is yeah, it's it's sort of like like when you
Speaker 7: read books on like neuro linguistic program I mean, one
Speaker 7: of the things they make clear when it comes to
Speaker 7: the ethics of it is you can't not influence people.
Speaker 7: So it's kind the same thing with magic. You know,
Speaker 7: you can't not do magic. Everyone's doing magic all the time,
Speaker 7: you know, And how many people do you see out
Speaker 7: in the matrix that are like people that you care
Speaker 7: about and love that are it's like cursing themselves over
Speaker 7: and over and over again. Can you imagine going through
Speaker 7: like public school and then like working in a factory,
Speaker 7: to working like some other thing, going through divorces and
Speaker 7: never even understanding the importance of cleaning your aura. Like,
Speaker 7: imagine how many people are just so gunky and beat
Speaker 7: down from life and then they just become magnets for
Speaker 7: it once it gets to a certain point, you know.
Speaker 9: And right, I think when people allow their ego to
Speaker 9: really drive, you know, everything in their reality, they they
Speaker 9: tend to forget, you know. I think Jonathan's brought this
Speaker 9: up before. If you just look at yourself as a
Speaker 9: human that you are there to take care of, almost
Speaker 9: like that higher version of yourself looking out for the
Speaker 9: thing that is you, you would definitely want to do
Speaker 9: everything you could to take care of that thing. But
Speaker 9: because you are inside of this body for whatever reason,
Speaker 9: it's almost easier to just kind of succumb to those
Speaker 9: lower energies of the ego.
Speaker 4: Oh dude, you forget that you're not you, you know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, Like, that's the crazy thing you like,
Speaker 4: you think that you are the avatar. But it's that's
Speaker 4: why we always talk about like and that's literally the
Speaker 4: reason why every single episode we have a meditation to
Speaker 4: try and remind us that we are not the avatar.
Speaker 4: We're kind of just uh, you know, aware of it,
Speaker 4: and you know, you could say in control of it
Speaker 4: and whatnot. But you know, and this is a quote
Speaker 4: that we always say, and this is Caro young Carl.
Speaker 9: I thought about it and then I saw you typing
Speaker 9: it in to find it because we never get it right.
Speaker 4: This is beautiful, Yes, Carl Jung's famous quote. Now I'm
Speaker 4: gonna get this fucking tattooed on me, bro, cause this is.
Speaker 8: Hold down.
Speaker 5: What did that say again?
Speaker 4: But he goes, Until you make the unconscious conscious, it
Speaker 4: will direct your life and you will call it fate.
Speaker 4: And that is exactly like, you know, if you're unaware
Speaker 4: that you're a magician and for a.
Speaker 8: Lack of a better word, magic that you're doing.
Speaker 5: You're doing the accidental magic.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like all that ship you're taught fucking oh, I
Speaker 4: suck at this or I'm never gonna get this, and
Speaker 4: it's like, yes, yes, here's my wand granting you this wish,
Speaker 4: you know, in that sense, and it's like, man, if
Speaker 4: we only knew the power, you know, it's crazy.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, well you're doing okay. And you can flip.
Speaker 6: You can flip situations. Let's let's let's go back to
Speaker 6: the other situation. You know, you're getting ready for work
Speaker 6: and your wife's gonna be not that not that friendly.
Speaker 6: You go off to work. If you spend your work
Speaker 6: day thinking about how awesome she is, appreciating her and
Speaker 6: and and you know, maybe even thinking about what you've
Speaker 6: done wrong and how you can do better, you're probably
Speaker 6: gonna get home to a wife that's done the exact
Speaker 6: same thing. She's probably spent the whole day doing the
Speaker 6: same thing. And you get to the door and she's
Speaker 6: I'm so sorry, baby, this morning was a disaster. I
Speaker 6: love you so much. But because you know you can,
Speaker 6: you can and and this is this is actually a
Speaker 6: fun little game to play with your reality. If you
Speaker 6: feel the energy of something moving in a way you
Speaker 6: don't like, all right, well, let me actually take a
Speaker 6: step back. Actually, because what you were saying and then
Speaker 6: about becoming you're not the avatar until you choose to be,
Speaker 6: and and you can step into it and and and
Speaker 6: I've got a little I've got something that works for me.
Speaker 6: Three breaths I take three intentional breaths, just breathe, hold it. Release.
Speaker 6: After three breaths, I'm there, and then I can I
Speaker 6: can operate from actually being present. But you see yourself
Speaker 6: wandering off and drifting off in Napoleon Hill wrote another
Speaker 6: book called Outwitting the Devil. His publisher wouldn't let him
Speaker 6: publish this book while he was alive. His kids tried
Speaker 6: to publish it. They wouldn't let him publish it either,
Speaker 6: because this book is Napoleon Hill taking all of his
Speaker 6: self help philosophy and and putting it into a conversation
Speaker 6: he has with the devil. And so he goes, you know, Saytan,
Speaker 6: how if you were going to if you were going
Speaker 6: to stop me from all the good things I'm going
Speaker 6: to do in this world, how would you do it?
Speaker 6: I want to know exactly your plan. And then he
Speaker 6: goes through exactly how people are thrown off course, and
Speaker 6: he goes every time, what it comes down to is
Speaker 6: this one thing, and that's the drift, the drift that
Speaker 6: you're not paying attention. You took your hands off the wheel.
Speaker 6: Life is going okay, it's going okay. You don't need
Speaker 6: to pay that much attention. And so you don't, he
Speaker 6: don't have it's just drifting. And you can drift in
Speaker 6: a car is if you're not going too fast, just
Speaker 6: goes along. You can drift for a few minutes before
Speaker 6: it causes an issue, but sooner or later it causes
Speaker 6: an issue. And so every problem that you you you
Speaker 6: can track down when your life's gone off the rails
Speaker 6: is because you took your hands off and let it drift.
Speaker 6: And so the thing is is to have your daily
Speaker 6: practices that every day you're becoming present, that you're engaging
Speaker 6: with a meditation and a prayer, a ritual, something that
Speaker 6: you're harnessing yourself and going, you know what, I'm not
Speaker 6: going to drift today. I'm actually you know, so for me,
Speaker 6: little personal addition to this is I'm a recovering addict
Speaker 6: coming on three years sober. To me and with that,
Speaker 6: thank you, thank you, and that that is a daily thing,
Speaker 6: just every day, every day. Hey, you know, I'm gonna
Speaker 6: I'm not going to fuck up my life with using
Speaker 6: that shit ever again. Today today is my day of
Speaker 6: just being sober. And with that kind of thing, also
Speaker 6: do the same with it. Today is my day of
Speaker 6: just being happy. I've been working through this discipline lately
Speaker 6: of trying to only wish well on every living thing.
Speaker 6: And that's hard because there are people that piss me off,
Speaker 6: there are bugs that annoy me, there's little things in life.
Speaker 6: And so it's a discipline that I'm picking up from
Speaker 6: Buddhism and stuff of just just wishing well, trying to
Speaker 6: make that come from an authentic place of love. And dude,
Speaker 6: it's hard, but that's why it's a discipline. And so
Speaker 6: all of these things. Make sure you're doing something every
Speaker 6: day that's making you grab that steering wheel and hold
Speaker 6: on to it and push life in the direction you
Speaker 6: want to go.
Speaker 8: That's great.
Speaker 9: Just like you said earlier, you know, two of the
Speaker 9: most valuable things you have is your time and your attention.
Speaker 9: And so it just depends on where you are directing that.
Speaker 9: And we have the power to direct it basically anywhere. Really,
Speaker 9: you know, no one in the bads.
Speaker 4: So you know what's funny too, is that we were
Speaker 4: out by the pool yesterday and I live in an apartment complex.
Speaker 4: They got a pool right in the middle, and so
Speaker 4: me and my son went out there and my wife
Speaker 4: went out there as well. And when we were out there,
Speaker 4: there was this wasp that was like flying around and
Speaker 4: and it like flew down and got stuck in the water,
Speaker 4: and you could see it was like pretty cool. It
Speaker 4: was like swimming with its little arms and shit. And
Speaker 4: in my mind, I'm thinking of, like, you know, Buddhism
Speaker 4: in a sense, because my old self would have said,
Speaker 4: fuck that wasp.
Speaker 5: I'm killing it.
Speaker 4: I'm drowning it right now, like I don't want it
Speaker 4: to be a part of my life at all, right,
Speaker 4: and uh, and that's what she wanted to do. She
Speaker 4: was like, kill it, drown it, like you don't want
Speaker 4: to get stung, do you know. I was like, all right,
Speaker 4: you know what, I'm gonna pivot. I'm gonna lift it
Speaker 4: up out of the water, and I'm just gonna set
Speaker 4: it on the side, you know, and just let it
Speaker 4: live a little bit, right. And she goes, oh, that's stupid.
Speaker 4: It's just gonna come back and stingy. And I was like, ah,
Speaker 4: you know, maybe it'll show me a little love because
Speaker 4: I just saved its life, right when you know it, dude,
Speaker 4: Like three minutes later, I get stung by the motherfucker,
Speaker 4: and and I'm like all right, like I thought I
Speaker 4: was doing it, and I get stung for it. I'm like,
Speaker 4: what's going on here? And and so I don't know.
Speaker 4: Maybe I'm maybe that was just like a little wasp.
Speaker 6: Here's my here's my here's my evaluation of that. He
Speaker 6: shouldn't have said that. She put that into the universe.
Speaker 6: She shouldn't have put that in the uni. She should
Speaker 6: have said that, really, sweetie baby, that big that that
Speaker 6: wasp is gonna fly away and love life and da
Speaker 6: da da. But but my friends, my friends will do that.
Speaker 6: I'll be like, you can't put that into the university
Speaker 6: because every word you speak is a spell, for sure.
Speaker 6: But so I had to last year. I'm just sitting
Speaker 6: on my back porch, just chilling, and this wasp flies
Speaker 6: and gets right in my face and same thing old
Speaker 6: me would have snatch and then squeezed it right away,
Speaker 6: and uh and I'm like, ah, it's not actually doing
Speaker 6: anything though, it's just chilling. It's kind of cute. It
Speaker 6: actually kind of if you look at wasps up close,
Speaker 6: they kind of look like dogs, like they kind of
Speaker 6: like have a floppy dogness to them, and so I'm like, oh,
Speaker 6: that's kind of cute. So it lands on my coffee
Speaker 6: cup and like my coffee mug has like a little
Speaker 6: holy sip out of and there's like a ring of
Speaker 6: coffee that it's sipping off of them, like you know,
Speaker 6: I'll let it drink my coffee. Every morning I'd come
Speaker 6: out there and for about a month and it would
Speaker 6: come out there and be with me. And so I
Speaker 6: started putting out and it never stung me once. So
Speaker 6: I put out a little pile of honey. I was
Speaker 6: just like, hey, let's to see, you know, I want
Speaker 6: to squeeze some honey out on this log that I've
Speaker 6: got out there. Sure enough, a ton of wasps come
Speaker 6: around and they start they were they were coming around me,
Speaker 6: treating me like like a friend, like they were just
Speaker 6: buzzing around me. One of them landed on my nose
Speaker 6: and that's that was more of a just I kind
Speaker 6: of shoot it away as gently as I could.
Speaker 10: But uh but it was uh yeah, it was like
Speaker 10: probably a good month or two that I just had
Speaker 10: this beautiful daily relationship with these these bees or these wasps.
Speaker 6: I had to I had to learn all about them
Speaker 6: because I thought there were bees, because I didn't know
Speaker 6: the difference, and I had to look it up. I'm like,
Speaker 6: oh no, these are actually wasps and here's the cool
Speaker 6: spiritual significance of that or whatever. But but with this,
Speaker 6: this make me unravel this massive teaching. With my interaction
Speaker 6: with these wasps, I do the same thing with cats.
Speaker 6: I've got cats that have become pets, and all I've
Speaker 6: had to do is just put food out. And there's
Speaker 6: I live next to the wilderness, so little runaway cats
Speaker 6: and stuff will come, come, eat the food, make friends
Speaker 6: with them. And I was thinking about it. I was like,
Speaker 6: that's really similar to the way that we interact with
Speaker 6: the divine, or we interact with our gods or our
Speaker 6: spirits speaking in English back and forth. Sure that works,
Speaker 6: but that's like, that's not a pure communication because that's
Speaker 6: not how they think. That's not how they communicate, so
Speaker 6: they're having to slow their messages way down. A more
Speaker 6: pure communication between two species is through gifts that you
Speaker 6: give it something you think it's gonna like, like you
Speaker 6: and and the idea of gifts is you give it
Speaker 6: something it's gonna like. It's easy for you to get,
Speaker 6: like any kind of food item or things like that, incense, candles,
Speaker 6: the two you know, again, the two currencies of time
Speaker 6: and attention. It's easy for you to just pay a
Speaker 6: little bit of attention to these things and then they
Speaker 6: give you gifts of sometimes miracles happening in your life,
Speaker 6: and those are those are the real communication. I feel
Speaker 6: like happens with spirits, with animals, with all all kinds
Speaker 6: of things. Is we can talk all day long, but
Speaker 6: it's like it's actually the exchanges that you can kind
Speaker 6: of tell you the most.
Speaker 5: So gift says in like little offerings you mean.
Speaker 6: Sure, yeah, little well, okay, come, let's break this down.
Speaker 6: So a gift for the first level is going to
Speaker 6: be your time and attention, like are you are you
Speaker 6: going to go are you just gonna think about it?
Speaker 6: Are you actually going to go light a candle and
Speaker 6: gaze into it and think about the thing that you
Speaker 6: want to have happen and go through the process and
Speaker 6: then you're going to follow that through with the work
Speaker 6: that you've got to do. So that's the first part
Speaker 6: of it. But then also offerings. So what what would
Speaker 6: be an offering if let's say a love spell, you
Speaker 6: want to do a love spell, what would be some
Speaker 6: good things to happen there? Well, some candles, because you know,
Speaker 6: inflame things and get things fired up. And candles are
Speaker 6: a good gateway for the candles probably read for you
Speaker 6: get that nice you know, fiery color, the blood rolling,
Speaker 6: and you know, make some associations like that, so that
Speaker 6: even those are offerings how you're setting up the ritual,
Speaker 6: the visualization that you have. But then there's another offering,
Speaker 6: and that's only I call it like a back end,
Speaker 6: a backand offering, a back end sacrifice. So you cast
Speaker 6: the spell, you ask for the thing to happen, and
Speaker 6: then you see the girl at the coffee shop, she's
Speaker 6: standing right there. She was delivered to you. This is
Speaker 6: the next part of the offering. Are you going to
Speaker 6: go ask for her number? Or are you just going
Speaker 6: to let the let the situation pass you by. And
Speaker 6: so that's another part of the offering, is is following
Speaker 6: through on it, doing your thing, doing your part, and trusting,
Speaker 6: like looking at it and going, uh, that's what I
Speaker 6: asked for, there it is, and going and getting it.
Speaker 6: That's also part of the offering. And then once you've
Speaker 6: received it, actually reaching out to those spirits and saying, hey,
Speaker 6: thanks so much, that worked out really well. I appreciate you.
Speaker 6: And I'll usually do that like if I've got sigils
Speaker 6: or other things on paper that I need to burn
Speaker 6: or release after at the end of the ritual, I'll
Speaker 6: use that moment to thank the spirits in advance. Hey, thanks.
Speaker 6: And it's that spirit of gratitude that actually is a
Speaker 6: huge offering. All of these things, whether it's the incense
Speaker 6: or the candles or all of these things, though, it's
Speaker 6: your own energy that you're bringing to it. And so
Speaker 6: you know the candles are red. You know what it
Speaker 6: means for you to do these things, and so it's
Speaker 6: that energy that you're going to offer up to the
Speaker 6: situation that you want to make. You want to have
Speaker 6: it unfold. Does that make sense?
Speaker 5: Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 6: You're just stabbing people, though, just just to be clear
Speaker 6: for everybody, no stabbing people. That's not what the offerings
Speaker 6: are about. No harm in others. That's you know. I
Speaker 6: don't even I have done like animal sacrifices of chickens
Speaker 6: and stuff like that, and I'll eat it. I'll eat it,
Speaker 6: I'll use the bones, I use all of it. I
Speaker 6: don't like it. I don't feel like it's I don't
Speaker 6: feel like it's necessary. I feel like I can get
Speaker 6: just as much in it from tapping radionics or from
Speaker 6: doing a meditatation, or from masturbating it. There's a million
Speaker 6: ways to get just as much energy that that without
Speaker 6: without It's just I love animals, I love life, and
Speaker 6: I don't want to kill anything that doesn't need to
Speaker 6: be killed. Man. With that, I don't have any problem
Speaker 6: with hunting or with you know, fishing or eating meat
Speaker 6: or whatever. But but I don't know, I don't feel
Speaker 6: like it's necessary. You know. Now, now, mind you, if
Speaker 6: I'm out deer hunting, you better believe before I put
Speaker 6: that deer down, I'm going to get into a meditative state.
Speaker 6: I'm going to thank it for for for it's it's
Speaker 6: offering to me. I'm gonna commune with it. I'm going
Speaker 6: to make it a religious experience when I'm taking the
Speaker 6: life that animal.
Speaker 5: That makes sense. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 4: And that's something that you know, we kind of feel
Speaker 4: the same way about to Like I'm all for magic
Speaker 4: and everything, but whenever it comes to sacrificeing something, I'm like, man,
Speaker 4: I'm not going to sacrifice an animal. Maybe I'll I'll
Speaker 4: sacrifice my need for sugar or something like that, you know,
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, like, that's a worthy.
Speaker 9: So that's also not to say that it doesn't work,
Speaker 9: you know what I mean, like we understand that it
Speaker 9: that it does, you know, but but yeah, no, I
Speaker 9: respect that.
Speaker 8: I totally am with you on that, dude. And you
Speaker 8: know it's funny, man.
Speaker 9: You know every time we have these episodes and and
Speaker 9: Byron brings uh one of his friends along, man, and
Speaker 9: I just know that we're gonna something's going to be unlocked,
Speaker 9: something we're going to just it's just gonna snap, and
Speaker 9: we're gonna understand it just a lot better. And I
Speaker 9: think that we've learned a lot of let's we've had
Speaker 9: a lot of those moments here tonight.
Speaker 8: I just won't let you know that. And your excitement
Speaker 8: and everything, man, just it's got me excited.
Speaker 6: No, thank you, that's yeah, this it is exciting. So
Speaker 6: you know, when I was a kid, I grew up
Speaker 6: and I grew up Mormon, and uh, and so I
Speaker 6: said in church and I hear about this stuff, and uh,
Speaker 6: none of it worked. None of it worked. I tried.
Speaker 6: I tried praying and and and not not not like
Speaker 6: asking for things and the things didn't happen. But I
Speaker 6: was talking to myself. I was talking to myself, and
Speaker 6: I could feel this, you know. I pushed through it,
Speaker 6: and I was a good Mormon kid, and I really
Speaker 6: like I was mister Mormon when I was a kid,
Speaker 6: really trying my hardest to feel what was going on
Speaker 6: with this faith. I returned to it as an adult too,
Speaker 6: just to just you know, give it a couple more
Speaker 6: years and really see if it's if it's and it
Speaker 6: doesn't have the it doesn't unlock anything, like there's nothing there.
Speaker 6: And that's the same with a lot of not not
Speaker 6: every religion. You know, Buddhism's got a lot of stuff there.
Speaker 6: You can open up different religions and see that there's
Speaker 6: a lot there. But within a lot of the mainstream
Speaker 6: Christian religions, it's just a control mechanism and you can
Speaker 6: see that and feel it. But as soon as you know,
Speaker 6: when I was twelve, I started researching the occult, started looking,
Speaker 6: you know, and sneak away to the library at the
Speaker 6: school and try to look up whatever magical stuff. I
Speaker 6: was just being pulled to it, and uh. And then
Speaker 6: when I was sixteen, I started doing my first rituals
Speaker 6: and it did just unlocked it just started unlocking, everything
Speaker 6: started working on the things I asked for. I just
Speaker 6: started getting it started. It was blowing my mind and
Speaker 6: I actually was for the first like maybe a year.
Speaker 6: I was playing with it, trying to trying to get
Speaker 6: it to fail. I was like, you know this is
Speaker 6: I gotta be making this up. So let me just
Speaker 6: start casting this spell. Let me get this cheerleader to
Speaker 6: give me her number, let me do this. I was.
Speaker 6: I was going for ridiculous stuff in high school. My
Speaker 6: high school brain was going wild with the possibilities, and
Speaker 6: nothing failed, Like every ritual was producing result after result
Speaker 6: after result, and so d like it is it's always
Speaker 6: been so exciting. Was like I found this thing, Like
Speaker 6: what's inside this box? Guys, what's really crazy to me?
Speaker 6: Because for me it's been I'm not going to say
Speaker 6: nothing but positive, because for sure I've opened up some
Speaker 6: doors and called some evil stuff, and I've cast some
Speaker 6: curses and so it's not all nothing but positive. But
Speaker 6: I am large ninety nine percent positive for me, for
Speaker 6: everybody around me has done nothing but good. But what's
Speaker 6: crazy to me is when I show people that what's
Speaker 6: in the box, most people don't have the reaction you
Speaker 6: guys have. Most people are like, what the hell are
Speaker 6: you doing? You got to stop that song.
Speaker 11: You got to find Jesus and this and that, Like
Speaker 11: I already found Jesus and there's nothing, there's nothing there, Like,
Speaker 11: I'm sorry, but I found the thing that all this
Speaker 11: stuff is at and you got to check it out.
Speaker 6: And that is the with a path like this, a
Speaker 6: magical path, how do you guys put it? One of
Speaker 6: you guys said that like an eclectic eclectic witchcraft, it's
Speaker 6: not like there's one way to do it, there's one
Speaker 6: set of gods to worship. It's everything, and it is
Speaker 6: anything and everything that you want to include into your
Speaker 6: magical system, included if you want to pray to Jesus,
Speaker 6: that can be a definite part of your magical system.
Speaker 6: If you absolutely never want to, you don't have.
Speaker 8: To, right the things that don't work, take it out. Yeah,
Speaker 8: that's the beauty of it.
Speaker 7: Yeah, but magic almost anything works, man, Almost anything works.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Going back to the radionics too, Uh, you know, like
Speaker 7: I use a lot less like blood, uh, with radionics
Speaker 7: like a lot less. And uh, I mean just programming
Speaker 7: a vigil candle because it fills it with so much
Speaker 7: clean energy and then using that in a ritual. I
Speaker 7: mean that's the closest to like plug and play that
Speaker 7: I found with doing magic, where I can just do something,
Speaker 7: do something and barely putting the effort into it and
Speaker 7: it works really well.
Speaker 6: You know, no, bro, when you say when you say
Speaker 6: I'm using a lot less blood, it makes it sound
Speaker 6: like you were using.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, yeah, No, I never, I never really, I
Speaker 7: mean I I mean I guess like every vocation, you know,
Speaker 7: I would use a few drops of blood or something
Speaker 7: or stuff like that. But but like I said, with radionics,
Speaker 7: I really stopped using it, and reradionics also kind of
Speaker 7: shifted my whole mindset on uh you know, the concept
Speaker 7: of offerings and stuff like that and putting energy into
Speaker 7: it and the amount of energy that needs to go
Speaker 7: into it. I kind of think more in terms of
Speaker 7: like the energy side of it now. And uh and
Speaker 7: so I really think like like just the act of
Speaker 7: doing a ritual and an evocation, because you're putting a
Speaker 7: lot of energy into it. You're giving the spirit a body,
Speaker 7: You're communicating with it, You're creating a thought form and
Speaker 7: releasing it of what you want. Uh So, just in
Speaker 7: terms of energy alone. I think just a ritual alone
Speaker 7: is pretty much enough offering.
Speaker 4: You know, yeah, you're kind of just creating that that
Speaker 4: space for that thing to allow that thing to happen
Speaker 4: at that point. Yeah, Eric, I do have a question
Speaker 4: for you, just for anybody out there that is just
Speaker 4: now getting into this or is curious to see if
Speaker 4: this works or are you.
Speaker 5: Communicating with the dark Lord?
Speaker 4: And you know, maybe you are a little bit, but
Speaker 4: I'm just skidding, But whenever, whenever you're you're doing that
Speaker 4: kind of stuff and you have people that are seemingly
Speaker 4: interested in it and maybe want to just test the
Speaker 4: validity of it a little bit, is there any like
Speaker 4: really easy ritual or really easy evocation or spell or
Speaker 4: something like that that they can do that it's not
Speaker 4: going to ruin their life and make it go crazy,
Speaker 4: but just something something simple that they can do to
Speaker 4: where they can look at the rest of their day
Speaker 4: or the next or the next coming days and.
Speaker 5: Be like, oh shit, I did I just do that?
Speaker 6: You know?
Speaker 5: Is there anything like that? Like something simple?
Speaker 6: All right? So, So I used to do a lot
Speaker 6: of lectures and like you know, speaking in front of people,
Speaker 6: and I'd get this question a lot where people would
Speaker 6: want to walk home with something, and so so I
Speaker 6: would give them. So here's one I tell you is
Speaker 6: get a sigil or a rune. So for instance, I've
Speaker 6: got Michael's sigil there, so that's just one of his sigils.
Speaker 6: You can find a sigil, so if you find a
Speaker 6: spirit that you want to call or a thing that
Speaker 6: you want to make happen, so you can also use
Speaker 6: a rune. You know, I don't know if I've got
Speaker 6: any examples of rooms here, but here we are. I
Speaker 6: got a buying ruin that I've created there a prayer
Speaker 6: to the frost giants to invoke the knowledge of the unknowable.
Speaker 6: So you know here you can copy and paste that
Speaker 6: one if anybody wants to. But use a symbol. Find it.
Speaker 6: Find a symbol that has a result that you want
Speaker 6: to get in your life. And so make sure you
Speaker 6: know if you're calling a spirit of wealth, you actually
Speaker 6: do want wealth or whatever it is that you're calling,
Speaker 6: and draw that on a piece of paper. You can
Speaker 6: even just draw it in your notebook like I have here,
Speaker 6: but do it in black marker, just like that, so
Speaker 6: it's so it's nice and thick. Raw it, gaze it
Speaker 6: gaze at it and think about the thing that you
Speaker 6: want to have happen. So, you know, money, you want
Speaker 6: to see that money in your hand or imagine your
Speaker 6: bank account or whatever it's going to look like. For
Speaker 6: the amount of money that you want. If now, if
Speaker 6: this is your first time, keep it reasonable, don't go crazy.
Speaker 6: I want a million dollars, keep it you know, I'll
Speaker 6: find some extra money. You don't even put a price
Speaker 6: on it or anything, but just kind of keep it
Speaker 6: open and be open to whatever it is that that
Speaker 6: that comes. But gaze at the sigil, relax your vision
Speaker 6: while you're thinking and visualizing yourself having the thing you desire. Now,
Speaker 6: this is the number one ingredient that's going to make
Speaker 6: your magic work, and without it, your magic is not
Speaker 6: going to work. And that is visualizing what you want
Speaker 6: to have happen, seeing it in your mind as if
Speaker 6: it's already happening, and then putting your emotions into it
Speaker 6: because that's actually fitting at your energy. So what's it
Speaker 6: going to feel like when that money comes? Is that
Speaker 6: going to feel like relief? Excitement? Produce that feeling within
Speaker 6: yourself as you're visualizing the end result, as you're gazing
Speaker 6: at the sigual. I'm using the word gazing intentionally. You
Speaker 6: don't want to stare at it. There's a specific kind
Speaker 6: of vision that you're going to find yourself walking into
Speaker 6: where you're super relaxed, and it's almost the same vision
Speaker 6: you're going to use if you're looking at one of
Speaker 6: those three D pictures that has a bunch of color
Speaker 6: and then you look at it and a boat pops out.
Speaker 6: It's like you want to relax your visions so much
Speaker 6: that you start to fall into the sigil while you're
Speaker 6: gazing at it, while you're visualizing, while you're feeling the
Speaker 6: emotions that you're in the future. When the thing happens,
Speaker 6: as you're doing this for just like a few seconds,
Speaker 6: maybe a couple of minutes of most, you're going to
Speaker 6: start having some interesting things happen with the sigil. The
Speaker 6: lines of it might disappear like physically boomed, they're not
Speaker 6: on the paper anymore, and then they reappear and they're glowing,
Speaker 6: Or it might start to look like the whole sigil
Speaker 6: lifts off of the paper and starts waving in the air.
Speaker 6: Sometimes it'll start to look colored, like the blacking starts
Speaker 6: to get rainbows. Inside of it. Just relaxed. Through that,
Speaker 6: continue to visualize what you want to have happen. What
Speaker 6: you're going to notice is your ability to visualize it
Speaker 6: gets weaker and weaker because the energy of it is
Speaker 6: going out of you into the sigital. The sigital is
Speaker 6: becoming a gateway that's taking all of that energy and
Speaker 6: pushing it towards the spirit or the realm that that
Speaker 6: sigil is associated with. Once you're at a point that
Speaker 6: you feel like and the visual phenomenon, anything you see,
Speaker 6: that's just phenomenon. Don't worry about it, don't get too
Speaker 6: invested in it. It's just a sign that you're on
Speaker 6: the right track. You might also feel yourself getting a
Speaker 6: little dizzy. Just stay with it. You're not going to
Speaker 6: pass nobody nobody has ever died from gazing at a sigil.
Speaker 6: Just stay with it. You'll be fine. And once you
Speaker 6: get the point you can't, you can't hold the vision,
Speaker 6: that is just not there anymore. That's a signal of
Speaker 6: the energy's out of you. So then say out loud
Speaker 6: what it is you want to have happened. If you're
Speaker 6: calling a spirit, say as go into the world and
Speaker 6: set me up the opportunities for the success that I need.
Speaker 6: So it is done, and then blow out your candles,
Speaker 6: blow out everything, and uh and go about your go
Speaker 6: about your day. Fold up that sigull, take that paper
Speaker 6: that you drew that on. So your first experiments is
Speaker 6: best to put this on a piece of paper that
Speaker 6: you can fold up and put somewhere, So not on
Speaker 6: a notebook, but somewhere that you put somewhere so you
Speaker 6: forget about it. Put it in your stock drawer, up
Speaker 6: in a closet, out of sight, out of mind. That's
Speaker 6: an open gateway, and so you just want to keep it,
Speaker 6: keep it out of sight until the thing happens, and
Speaker 6: then go find it and burn it once once the
Speaker 6: thing has come about, it's a good idea to take
Speaker 6: those signals or burn and burn them just to release
Speaker 6: the game way. Thank the spirit at that point, Hey,
Speaker 6: thanks for doing what you've done, and then release it.
Speaker 6: So that's I know, that's not super simple, as simple
Speaker 6: as like looking into a candle and chanting a few words. However,
Speaker 6: that blows people. That knocks people socks off. Okay, so
Speaker 6: I used to pass out. I would have a sigil.
Speaker 6: Everybody likes money. Everybody nobody ever turns down a money
Speaker 6: spell for some reason. So I'd pass out these magic
Speaker 6: squares for money, and I just have them printed and
Speaker 6: then on the back of the square, I had printed
Speaker 6: out my email address, and so I had pass those
Speaker 6: out to the audience. I'd had them through the visualization,
Speaker 6: visualize yourself having the money, feel it happening, and then
Speaker 6: it's after it's over, I'd say, you know, just email
Speaker 6: me with any results that you guys happen to get.
Speaker 6: And my email got flooded, usually within a week at
Speaker 6: most some of them were two weeks, but usually within
Speaker 6: a week. People are you I got the job promotion,
Speaker 6: or I lost my job, and then another job came in.
Speaker 6: All of a sudden, things start moving and turning and
Speaker 6: very very strange ways. So this kind of magic that
Speaker 6: I just explained is called sigil magic. It is considered
Speaker 6: like advanced magic, but anybody can do it. You don't
Speaker 6: have to have special skills. You just have to be
Speaker 6: able to visualize what you want, gaze of the sigil
Speaker 6: and and and let your energy get out of you.
Speaker 6: Your your eyes are a powerful window, like a Byron
Speaker 6: was saying about opening the chakras of your eyes. Your
Speaker 6: eyes are powerful windows and gateways. And so if if
Speaker 6: you're looking at something, this is another thing with the
Speaker 6: time and attention that you're you're you're you're sending your
Speaker 6: energy towards. Your eyes can direct where that attention goes.
Speaker 6: Look at a photo of somebody and think about them,
Speaker 6: and they will feel you. They'll feel what you're thinking
Speaker 6: and feeling if you're if you're connecting with them through
Speaker 6: through your eyes. Look at somebody across the room. You
Speaker 6: want a girl to get you, you want get a girl's attention,
Speaker 6: Just stare at her for a minute and really push
Speaker 6: your attention forward. She'll feel you and look over and
Speaker 6: color over.
Speaker 8: So yeah, color dude.
Speaker 4: And you know we've talked about this too as far
Speaker 4: as like sigil and stuff like that. It's you know what,
Speaker 4: whenever I hear it from people like you and from
Speaker 4: people like Byron, it's like, I feel like everything that
Speaker 4: we've talked about, like leading up to this point has
Speaker 4: been on the right path, because that's perfectly in line
Speaker 4: with how we have done our own kind of spells
Speaker 4: and like we did a money spell, we've done love
Speaker 4: spells and all these other things, and and it seems
Speaker 4: to work all the same way. You know that that
Speaker 4: sigil kind of magic in that sense. So yeah, it's
Speaker 4: I mean, look, if anybody's out there that doesn't believe
Speaker 4: that this stuff works, or you know, is scared to
Speaker 4: try it, I mean, is there any reason to believe
Speaker 4: that if a if a spell or an evocation or
Speaker 4: a ritual, is there any reason to believe that, if
Speaker 4: any of that actually does work, that now you're in
Speaker 4: control of that demon or something like that.
Speaker 5: I always hear that all the time.
Speaker 4: Well it's like, yeah, they'll give you what they want
Speaker 4: or they'll give you what you want, but then you
Speaker 4: know they control you.
Speaker 5: Is is there anything like that connected to that stuff?
Speaker 6: No, no, they're not, not that they control you. But
Speaker 6: but but here, look, I'm glad you brought this up
Speaker 6: because because there is I think there's a moment to
Speaker 6: give some responsible warnings about this, because because you do
Speaker 6: need to be responsible about this, because it's real. Like
Speaker 6: the spirits you're you're you're you're calling, it's not just
Speaker 6: parts of your mind. They're actually real, and they actually
Speaker 6: do come and they start they start re arranging your reality.
Speaker 6: And so the very first thing I'm gonna tell you
Speaker 6: is here's the big here, here's here's the biggest harm
Speaker 6: that I can see. That's that's a constant. You become
Speaker 6: like the things you surround yourself with. So you could
Speaker 6: be a happy, go lucky person, and then somebody pisses
Speaker 6: you off and you do a purse on them. Then
Speaker 6: you've got a spirit that's a baneful energy spirit that's
Speaker 6: around you, and that spirit wants more of that interaction,
Speaker 6: and it wants your time and attention again now that
Speaker 6: it's made connection with you, Hey, don't you think this
Speaker 6: person needs to be cursed too? Hey? What about that
Speaker 6: person over there? They start pointing out the people that
Speaker 6: need be cursed because they want to be activated again
Speaker 6: in your life. And and so you can go down
Speaker 6: really slippery slopes with opening doorways of I'm going to
Speaker 6: do this thing, and then you want to do it
Speaker 6: more and more. And it's not And it is literally
Speaker 6: the forces you have around you whispering into your ear,
Speaker 6: guiding you to just activate them one more time. So
Speaker 6: and it's not that it's not that if you do
Speaker 6: one curse on somebody or you call one demon, that
Speaker 6: forever it's going to be haunting you. Maybe it could
Speaker 6: be I think you need to overwhelm yourself with the
Speaker 6: spirits that you want to be like. And so you know,
Speaker 6: the allSome call some dark spirits, if you need to
Speaker 6: call some dark spirits, but make sure that unless you
Speaker 6: want to become dark, that you're calling mostly light spirits,
Speaker 6: or if you want to become dark, all the dark
Speaker 6: spirits you want, because you're going to become like them.
Speaker 6: And so that's the biggest thing there is that that
Speaker 6: that you are, you're going to develop a spiritual momentum
Speaker 6: in the direction that you travel. The second thing is
Speaker 6: is that one this is this is hard to conceptualize.
Speaker 6: Once you make contact with the spirit, it's with you forever.
Speaker 6: It's with you forever. And when I say forever, that's
Speaker 6: the end of the future. It's going to continue to
Speaker 6: linger around you. Anytime you want to activate that spirit.
Speaker 6: All you do you gotta do is think about it,
Speaker 6: and it's there. But then you start noticing how that
Speaker 6: spirit's been there in the past too, all the way back,
Speaker 6: especially as you make stronger connections with it. It's like
Speaker 6: Azazel is a spirit I probably work with the most,
Speaker 6: and I'm like, dude, he was he was there my
Speaker 6: whole life. I can see him. He was I had
Speaker 6: I had some some weird dark thing hanging out in
Speaker 6: the closet with glowing green eyes, and now I find out, oh,
Speaker 6: that was him, and he was. He was not there
Speaker 6: haunting me. He was actually there protecting and guiding me
Speaker 6: as a child. And so so you start to see
Speaker 6: things where it's like I didn't even see it, maybe
Speaker 6: didn't even remember it until making contact with the spirit,
Speaker 6: and then you can see the reflections of it outwards forever.
Speaker 6: And so with that, yeah, you got to be careful
Speaker 6: about the spirits that you call into your sphere of
Speaker 6: sensation because they're always going to be lingering there. They're
Speaker 6: always going to have and and most magicians won't say
Speaker 6: this because they don't want to admit the truth. The
Speaker 6: spirits will have influence over you. They are whispering in
Speaker 6: your ear, they are pulling your your your desires there
Speaker 6: that they are stirring things up and uh and so yeah, now,
Speaker 6: for the most part, if it's the spirit that you
Speaker 6: can summon, you can also talk to it and just say, hey,
Speaker 6: I don't want you around me anymore, you know, cut
Speaker 6: off all the presents, and they will they will they're
Speaker 6: not going to come too easily. If you call them again,
Speaker 6: you know, you got like one chance to kick them
Speaker 6: out of your life basically. But but so so there
Speaker 6: are things like that. But that's that. That is the
Speaker 6: precaution you need to take is be don't don't be
Speaker 6: willing nilly about the spirits that you invite into your life.
Speaker 6: It's it is, it's it's not just inviting a stranger
Speaker 6: into your home. It's inviting them into your bedroom to
Speaker 6: get naked and lay in bed with you. Like this
Speaker 6: is an intimate connection you're making with every spirit man.
Speaker 7: Wow, building uh, building a solid foundation first will make
Speaker 7: it less jarring. But you know, especially with like some
Speaker 7: of these like uh like non human spirits and stuff,
Speaker 7: you know, like they have been around forever. These are
Speaker 7: like forces of nature, you know, if you're not prepared
Speaker 7: for it. And then there's there's like regular pittholes too,
Speaker 7: because you got you know a lot of people especially
Speaker 7: in the left hand path, uh, you know, are coping
Speaker 7: with like religious trauma, physical traumas, you know, sexual trauma,
Speaker 7: like and then and then there is like this kind
Speaker 7: of edgy coolness to it, you know, I mean, which
Speaker 7: I understand you know, I'm a metal head. I played
Speaker 7: in a bunch of metal metal bands. I love brutality.
Speaker 7: You know, you want more brutality, not less, you know.
Speaker 7: But you know, but so so there's always gonna be
Speaker 7: uh pitfalls, you know. I think it's important to work
Speaker 7: towards being in a grounded person because you know, like
Speaker 7: these energies can't corrupt your life if you're not careful,
Speaker 7: you know, especially if you're a polarized person, you know,
Speaker 7: which which I feel like we saw a lot, you know,
Speaker 7: since like twenty sixteen, really twenty twenty, but I think
Speaker 7: if you're like a really polarized person, you know. But but
Speaker 7: here's here's the other rub. You know, it's like a
Speaker 7: lot of people are just on their journey. So you
Speaker 7: know a lot of these pitfalls are going to be
Speaker 7: for like a twenty one year old more than a
Speaker 7: forty five year old, you know. Yeah, so so part
Speaker 7: of it is just learning and growing, you know, everyone's
Speaker 7: on their own journey.
Speaker 4: But yeah, and speaking of that journey too, Ea, I
Speaker 4: wanted to ask you because and we've heard a lot
Speaker 4: of it from Lord Byron as far as radionics and
Speaker 4: how much of a major help it is I mean,
Speaker 4: can you describe, you know, the ways that radionics machines
Speaker 4: are helping you within your magic.
Speaker 6: Yeah. Absolutely, you only swill my camera just a little bit.
Speaker 6: So in the corner there you can see I've got
Speaker 6: a vangraft generator that generates static electricity. And then over
Speaker 6: to the television set. Everything in that corner is my
Speaker 6: radio set up, and it's nuts. It's nutballs. It is nutballs.
Speaker 6: You fire it up and I've got to hooked up
Speaker 6: to an amp so you can hear I can hear
Speaker 6: the frequencies. And so I'll power it up and I'll
Speaker 6: hear the frequencies just throbbing through the room. I'll get
Speaker 6: them dialed. I've got a two frequency generator, so i
Speaker 6: can get to get two frequencies that kind of butt
Speaker 6: up against each other and they create a fluttering effect,
Speaker 6: and that fluttering effect creates a ghost wave or a
Speaker 6: phantom wave, and that's actually the magical wave that i
Speaker 6: want to harner. So I've got specific frequencies i'll tune
Speaker 6: it into for that and then and then I've got
Speaker 6: some of the the you know, personal devices that I'll
Speaker 6: use to fine tune it all. But it is it's
Speaker 6: nuts because it is technology, the very very simple technology
Speaker 6: that because it really it literally is just frequencies. It's
Speaker 6: that's the whole technology is frequencies and and and those
Speaker 6: frequencies do come together to create a field, and it's
Speaker 6: not I'll have a lot of people come through. I
Speaker 6: throw a lot of parties. I've got a lot of
Speaker 6: cool friends that i like to hang out with. I'll
Speaker 6: have people through here that don't have any connection with
Speaker 6: anything spiritual and they'll come in and all. It's kind
Speaker 6: of one of the little tricks I'll do for a company.
Speaker 6: You know, most of the stuff I do is really weird.
Speaker 6: They don't people don't know what to make of it.
Speaker 6: But I'll call this my wish machine. I'm like, hey,
Speaker 6: come in, we're gonna make a wish of the wish machine.
Speaker 6: And they're like what, So we'll fire it up and
Speaker 6: then we'll have them put their hands on it and
Speaker 6: they walk away charged like I don't know what that was,
Speaker 6: But why I do that? It is a very physical energy.
Speaker 6: But here's here's really where it came into play for me.
Speaker 6: I do a lot of rituals for for clients, and
Speaker 6: I was going through a we did a sale where
Speaker 6: it was I don't know half off of our rituals,
Speaker 6: and we promoted it all over the place, so we
Speaker 6: had I was getting a ritual, a ritual a day
Speaker 6: that I was happening to do for people, and that
Speaker 6: was on top of all my other stuff that I
Speaker 6: had to do. And the way I was running my
Speaker 6: rituals is I would I would set up the whole ritual,
Speaker 6: I'd do it, and then I would I would put
Speaker 6: myself emotionally into the place of the person I'm trying
Speaker 6: to help. I'd fill their situation with as much empathy
Speaker 6: as I could, and I would squeeze myself to get
Speaker 6: all of my energy to come out sometimes you know,
Speaker 6: yelling and screaming if I need to do that for
Speaker 6: a ritual, or weeping for just anything that I could
Speaker 6: squeeze myself to get every drop of energy I could
Speaker 6: for these rituals. And I was running myself ragged, ragged
Speaker 6: and in a million ways. That was breaking me down.
Speaker 6: And that's actually when I when I finally was like,
Speaker 6: you know what, let me let me give this rating
Speaker 6: on and stuff a try, because if I can use
Speaker 6: just something else to supplement my power, I've got I've
Speaker 6: got enough power for myself and for a ritual whatever.
Speaker 6: You know, maybe a couple of rituals a week for people,
Speaker 6: but damn, that's a lot. It's just just to supplement.
Speaker 6: And what what I found is that it does. It's
Speaker 6: so much more in that because because literally you're opening
Speaker 6: up a portal, an infinite portal, and then just any
Speaker 6: any energy you want, you just pull it from that portal.
Speaker 6: You don't need to squeeze yourself, you don't need to try,
Speaker 6: you don't need to feel whatever if if that comes
Speaker 6: through naturally. Sometimes it does. Sometimes I'll turn the device on,
Speaker 6: I'll start turning the dials, and I'll start weeping for
Speaker 6: the person that I'm doing the ritual for, if they're
Speaker 6: going through some heavy and so so you can fill
Speaker 6: yourself tuning into it, but you don't have to squeeze
Speaker 6: yourself anymore because the power is just coming through the portal.
Speaker 6: And that that was a game changer for me with radionics,
Speaker 6: but also just with the way I approach magic. Rather
Speaker 6: than squeezing myself, let me just turn it over to
Speaker 6: the powers, let me let me open the door. All
Speaker 6: I got to do is open the door and let
Speaker 6: the magic and let the gods and let let let
Speaker 6: it do the rest. My job can be as easy
Speaker 6: as opening the door. And so so radionics radiois comes
Speaker 6: into play because it can force that door open and
Speaker 6: it actually acts as what I call a door stopper,
Speaker 6: So you can jam it in the door and leave
Speaker 6: the door open and we walk away. Go do your
Speaker 6: own thing, and it's doing it all day long. So yeah,
Speaker 6: complete game changer. As a professional magician doing rituals for people,
Speaker 6: getting like I demand that I get good success. My
Speaker 6: clients demand that I get success. The rituals have to work.
Speaker 6: And so so with that it's like I can I
Speaker 6: know how to do it for myself. But being able
Speaker 6: to add that element of radionics in, now there's no
Speaker 6: question about it. Fired up boom. I don't have to
Speaker 6: squeeze myself. The rituals work every time, no questions ask.
Speaker 6: It does turn it into I can't remember the way
Speaker 6: Myron said it, but it's like a much more systematic approach.
Speaker 6: You just plug it in, do your thing and it's
Speaker 6: good to go.
Speaker 7: Yeah, plug and play and the extra energy is important.
Speaker 7: But we're talking about bringing friends over and they can
Speaker 7: feel the charge. I uh had a client down in Australia.
Speaker 7: She got a broadcaster that's like the small one with
Speaker 7: the antenna on it, and she was working through the
Speaker 7: cliff off and I think she might have been on
Speaker 7: the Mars sphere, but uh, she had that running in
Speaker 7: her temple and the same time she had painters over
Speaker 7: and so when they would come up to the door
Speaker 7: of the temple, they would like walk as far away
Speaker 7: from the door as possible and make this big like
Speaker 7: arching walk around it. They could totally feel it. They
Speaker 7: were totally they couldn't even want to be around that room.
Speaker 7: They they were just totally picking up on that energy
Speaker 7: because she had you know, that going. That's so there's
Speaker 7: there's a lot you can do with that as far
Speaker 7: as magic, because you know, you can prime. You can
Speaker 7: prime yourself, but you can also prime your room. You know,
Speaker 7: prime all your materials all in advance, you know, like
Speaker 7: Eric was mentioning, you know, give yourself a lot more energy,
Speaker 7: which is important because like when you first mentioned your
Speaker 7: doing a ritual every day, I was like, man, that's
Speaker 7: not even enough time to recover, you know, because ritual
Speaker 7: fatigue is a real thing, you know, And.
Speaker 6: Did I show you this Eric, I don't think I
Speaker 6: saw this yet.
Speaker 7: The zombie I made a beefed up vampire box, all right,
Speaker 7: So here's a regular vampire box. Here's a beefed up one,
Speaker 7: and uh has seven crystals, two input jacks, two output
Speaker 7: jacks inputting out put. The cases that I'm using too
Speaker 7: also have these little holes. If you wanted to put
Speaker 7: it on the wall, you could, you know. But but
Speaker 7: the vampire box, man, that's a that's a lifesaver. Man,
Speaker 7: that's a that's an important machine to have. But really,
Speaker 7: but any machine will will act as a vampire box. Really,
Speaker 7: you know, pretty much acted as a vampire box if
Speaker 7: you use it.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 4: The fact that those things work as well as y'all
Speaker 4: say that they do it is just unreal. Anybody that
Speaker 4: is performing any kind of magic or rituals, I don't
Speaker 4: know why you wouldn't incorporate it, like even simple little things,
Speaker 4: maybe even I mean, is that something that you can
Speaker 4: incorporate into your own like daily practice in some kind
Speaker 4: of way, not even necessarily trying to perform some kind
Speaker 4: of outright crazy ritual.
Speaker 7: Radioitor is Yeah, So.
Speaker 6: I'll take my I'll take my system. Let's say I'm
Speaker 6: gonna uh, call a spirit. I mean, I'll do my
Speaker 6: regular evocation process, do the candles and the incense, but
Speaker 6: then I'll go take the sigital that I'm that I've
Speaker 6: got for the spirit and go take it over the radio,
Speaker 6: honest blast that. As soon as I've got the frequencies
Speaker 6: locked in, just radiate them through the room so I
Speaker 6: can hear and feel it and then come back to
Speaker 6: the ritual and it's amplified. And so yeah, you can.
Speaker 6: You can do that, and you can and and and
Speaker 6: you should have to absolutely use it, use it as
Speaker 6: a supplement to all of your rituals. And it is
Speaker 6: just going to add that. Uh it does. It adds
Speaker 6: a layer that I don't I don't know that there's
Speaker 6: any other way that that that that this has been
Speaker 6: able to be accessed, honestly, Like I don't know though, No, Okay,
Speaker 6: well no, because because even if you get into like
Speaker 6: deep yoga states and these kinds of things, it's a
Speaker 6: different thing. This is a portal, an energetic portal that
Speaker 6: you're freaking opening up. It's nuts, Like, it is completely different.
Speaker 7: It's almost the same. You could almost do the same
Speaker 7: stuff with magic that you can do with radionics. But
Speaker 7: there's just some things you can do with radionics. I
Speaker 7: don't think you can do with magic, you know, but
Speaker 7: ideally you need both, you know. And I still think
Speaker 7: for the most part, I think magic is a little faster,
Speaker 7: can be a little faster depending on how you do it.
Speaker 7: But sometimes radionics, you know, I mean, sometimes it'll work
Speaker 7: as soon as you turn it on, but sometimes it
Speaker 7: takes a while for that thought form to build and
Speaker 7: to see it manifest.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I just kind of wanted to throw it
Speaker 4: out there for anybody that was curious about how that
Speaker 4: worked and how much it was actually able to amplify
Speaker 4: your workings and all that kind of stuff, because I
Speaker 4: think that especially a lot of the listeners of this show,
Speaker 4: I mean, we're very open minded. We look at things
Speaker 4: from a different point of view, not necessarily what's good
Speaker 4: what's evil, but like how does it work? And and
Speaker 4: that's you know, I think that, you know, everybody's going
Speaker 4: to have their perspective on certain things, and I think that,
Speaker 4: you know, personally, the what I've been able to do,
Speaker 4: just within my own mind is instead of labeling something
Speaker 4: good or bad or you know, godly or demonic or
Speaker 4: something like that, I'm just just look at it for
Speaker 4: what it is and what it does in that sense,
Speaker 4: and that's that's helped me, you know, understand it a
Speaker 4: lot more, just trying to understand it, you know, just
Speaker 4: trying to help my mind. Yeah, I don't know, digest
Speaker 4: it in a sense.
Speaker 6: We we we've got to use Uh it's like we've
Speaker 6: got plunky interfaces with with with all of this stuff
Speaker 6: because we're dealing with such a with such high dimensional
Speaker 6: stuff that it's hard for our brains to even know
Speaker 6: what to do with it. And so almost all of
Speaker 6: it is is concocted through you know, even as we're
Speaker 6: talking about the the you know, using magic, and these
Speaker 6: are different technologies using you know, different symbolism to try
Speaker 6: to access So as a I dove really deep into
Speaker 6: ruine magic and Norse sourcery over this last year. I've
Speaker 6: written a whole book on ruine magic. It'll be coming
Speaker 6: out this winter sometime. And with that, I kept coming
Speaker 6: across this thing as I was studying the the EDAs
Speaker 6: and the poetic edis and the sagas that are actually
Speaker 6: the like the code offied, like the stories of what
Speaker 6: happened back then, and this term keeps coming up the
Speaker 6: other side, and the other side is capitalized the O
Speaker 6: is capitalized, and it's one word other side, And I
Speaker 6: was like, what the fuck is this other side? So
Speaker 6: I started digging in, killing back the layers. And that's
Speaker 6: the term that the Norse would use for everything that's
Speaker 6: not part of this normal physical world. It's all the
Speaker 6: other side. We got our side, this little tiny side,
Speaker 6: and then the other side. But that's that's exactly what
Speaker 6: all of these things are trying. Whether it's magic or
Speaker 6: prayers or or you know, invocations or meditations or all
Speaker 6: of these things are just attempts to breach through to
Speaker 6: the other side.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's something that we covered the Druids too. They
Speaker 4: call it the other world, you know, and so they
Speaker 4: all seem to be talking in the same realm. Some
Speaker 4: people might I mean, could that possibly be confused with heaven?
Speaker 6: Even it could be well yeah, yeah, I mean not
Speaker 6: truly related. Did you get into the Dwathada Denon?
Speaker 4: We've mentioned it in passing, but never really dove too
Speaker 4: deep into it.
Speaker 6: Oh dude. So it's this whole civilization of people that
Speaker 6: just arrived to Ireland. They appear out of the thin
Speaker 6: air no, no, no, that's not true. So a fog
Speaker 6: falls over Ireland. The entire island is engulfed in a fog,
Speaker 6: and then as the fog lifts, it's these beautiful people
Speaker 6: that are much taller than everybody else, much more beautiful.
Speaker 6: Their skin is shining, and they have magical abilities and
Speaker 6: magical technologies. They live amongst them for multiple generations. They
Speaker 6: set up and it's not just a couple people, it's
Speaker 6: an entire civilization of them that lives amongst the Irish
Speaker 6: for multiple generations. And then of course men come to
Speaker 6: do war. They're like, we got to kick these supernatural
Speaker 6: beings out of here because they're not one of us.
Speaker 6: So instead of going and you know, going somewhere else,
Speaker 6: they disappear into the fog. And then at that point
Speaker 6: they entered nature. And so they live amongst us, in
Speaker 6: the rocks and the trees, and they're just barely out
Speaker 6: of out of reach. But this same story is told
Speaker 6: over and over and over again about that there's a
Speaker 6: civilization of beings much like us, but better, that are
Speaker 6: around us, and they're just out of reach. They can
Speaker 6: interact with us, they can touch us, but we can't
Speaker 6: toudge them.
Speaker 5: All right, John, we're doing a fucking episode on that.
Speaker 5: That sounds all good, Yeah, dude, Well.
Speaker 4: Look, we could talk to y'all literally all night, and honestly,
Speaker 4: this is been one of our longer.
Speaker 5: Episodes just because it's just.
Speaker 4: Like whenever you're communicating with the spirits, it's like, all right,
Speaker 4: I got a question, and I I already have the
Speaker 4: next question lined up, but damn, what you just said
Speaker 4: made me think a little bit deeper.
Speaker 5: So I love these kind of conversations. These are great, man.
Speaker 4: So we appreciate you guys coming and hanging out with
Speaker 4: us so much fun, dude, if you guys, well, actually,
Speaker 4: before we do wrap it up here, we usually do
Speaker 4: a tarot reading at the end of every episode, usually
Speaker 4: just a single card draw, and we even though we've
Speaker 4: been doing this for a little over two years now,
Speaker 4: we still rely on the handy dandy Guided Tarot Book
Speaker 4: to give us definitions and whatnot.
Speaker 9: But Sean, you guys are more than welcome to give
Speaker 9: us your interpretation if you'd like. But interestingly enough, man,
Speaker 9: we got the death card. Oh you know what, don't
Speaker 9: be confused, you know, because it's not a bad thing. Yeah,
Speaker 9: I mean, unless you want it to be a represented
Speaker 9: bad than you can't right.
Speaker 4: Well, it's interesting that we would get that card because
Speaker 4: it is the thirteenth card within the foll's journey. The
Speaker 4: death card is it is the ultimate transformation, a cycle
Speaker 4: of release leading to rebirth. Death is perhaps one of
Speaker 4: the most misunderstood cards in the tarot, and one that
Speaker 4: is overflowing with rich symbolism. Death appears as a skeleton
Speaker 4: dressed in black armor, riding through a scene of figures
Speaker 4: near death or already dead, holding a black flag with
Speaker 4: a flower and ears of corn on it, representing the
Speaker 4: growing and harvesting seasons that align with the seasons of
Speaker 4: our lives. A religious figure appears to plead with death,
Speaker 4: while a child and a young woman kneeled nearby, both
Speaker 4: symbolizing innocence and transition. In the distance, the sun rises
Speaker 4: between the two towers, representing the conscious and unconscious mind.
Speaker 4: The skin is yellow, the color of spiritual enlightenment, as
Speaker 4: are the robes of the religious figure. The horse he
Speaker 4: rides symbolizes the freedom that arises from embracing transformation, and
Speaker 4: the fact that he is seated on his horse looking
Speaker 4: down at the religious figure suggests that spiritual enlightenment transcends
Speaker 4: traditional religious teachings. The sun rising illuminates rebirth, a contrast
Speaker 4: to death's black armor, which indicates that shadow aspects, once hidden,
Speaker 4: are now displayed with pride. Death is protected during this
Speaker 4: cycle of change as well as all as well as
Speaker 4: we all are during times of transformation.
Speaker 9: Dude, just talking about Eric was just talking about the
Speaker 9: right hand path and the left hand path, and the
Speaker 9: right hand path being the more well understood belief systems
Speaker 9: and this and that, and dude, that's beautiful.
Speaker 8: Man.
Speaker 9: Today I was at work and I there was a
Speaker 9: power line that I was looking at, and there was
Speaker 9: like a black bag hanging from it and like blowing
Speaker 9: in the wind, but like for a split second, and
Speaker 9: I was like, it almost looked like it could have
Speaker 9: been like death, you know what I mean, Just like
Speaker 9: I don't know, it was a trip, That's what I
Speaker 9: was thinking. It caught there it is.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: So just to give my interpretation of the card and
Speaker 6: my thoughts on the energy of death is it's it's
Speaker 6: often not about physical death, but it signifies that there's
Speaker 6: there's something that's happening that you can't change, you can't
Speaker 6: make it stop, you can't negotiate with it. The only
Speaker 6: thing that you can do is accept it or choose
Speaker 6: not to accept it. But it's happening either way. And
Speaker 6: so so anything that's with that, anything that's in the past.
Speaker 6: You know, we find ourselves obsessing about the things that
Speaker 6: we can we can't change. This is you know, to serenity, prayer, Grammy,
Speaker 6: the SERENDI to accept the things that I can't change,
Speaker 6: to decurage to change the things I can, and the
Speaker 6: wisdom to know the difference. Unfortunately, most of the things
Speaker 6: in our lives are going to fall in the first category.
Speaker 6: We can't change a whole lot of stuff. And that's
Speaker 6: that's one of the conundrums with magic, is that a
Speaker 6: lot of times we'll come into it wanting to change everything.
Speaker 6: There's a whole lot of acceptance that we got to
Speaker 6: learn along the way because there's a lot of stuff
Speaker 6: that you just can't change, especially when it comes to death, you.
Speaker 7: Know, and you're like trying to heal someone or something,
Speaker 7: because there's all these times you can heal someone, you've
Speaker 7: worked these crazy miracles, but when it's time, when it's
Speaker 7: someone's time to go, there's like nothing you.
Speaker 5: Can do, you know, it's just the right time.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And what's interesting you guys bring that up is because
Speaker 4: that the the reverse meanings to the death card would
Speaker 4: be clinging to the past and refusing to change. So
Speaker 4: just so just the fact that it was that we
Speaker 4: got it, it was like, all right, well, that's that's
Speaker 4: something that we're not necessarily clinging to the past and
Speaker 4: not refusing to change that we are open to this
Speaker 4: form of essentially like transformation in a sense. But there
Speaker 4: is a spiritual message also. It says you're in the
Speaker 4: throes of transformation of the self that may include letting
Speaker 4: go of old, worn out patterns and behaviors. This purge
Speaker 4: is creating space for new beginnings by forcing you to
Speaker 4: release the past.
Speaker 8: Beautiful.
Speaker 9: See, yeah, I think you know whenever I used to
Speaker 9: whenever we've gotten that card in the past, and in
Speaker 9: the very beginning, you know, I was like, ooh, the
Speaker 9: death card, you know, like, and I think a lot
Speaker 9: of the listeners and other people that aren't so familiar
Speaker 9: with Taro, you know, would probably think the same way.
Speaker 9: But but no, that's a great card, man.
Speaker 5: Oh dude. It's it's almost like the gnostic way of
Speaker 5: looking at it.
Speaker 4: If you really think about it, because you know, there
Speaker 4: there's the little the literal you know, uh, translation and
Speaker 4: the literal meaning of looking at it a specific way.
Speaker 4: But then it's like, how can you look at this
Speaker 4: even deeper? How can you look at it from a
Speaker 4: nosis like a Sophia type of understanding. And it just
Speaker 4: makes so much more sense whenever you do that, because
Speaker 4: you almost feel a lot more connected to the to
Speaker 4: the messages being given at that point.
Speaker 9: Absolutely, and just to understand that that there's so much
Speaker 9: more to this reality and and we are so much
Speaker 9: so capable of transmuting just about anything if we really
Speaker 9: want to.
Speaker 4: Yeah, dude, it's awesome. I love this stuff. Thank you
Speaker 4: guys so much for coming to hang out with us.
Speaker 6: Uh, I'm sorry. Let me just let me just riff
Speaker 6: a little bit more here, for I'm looking up for
Speaker 6: the order of these cards, all right. So the order
Speaker 6: of the major kana so so comes right after the
Speaker 6: hanged man, meaning that again, things that you can't control
Speaker 6: you can't control, and even fighting to try to control
Speaker 6: those things is part of the process. You just need
Speaker 6: to give up and let go now. But right after that,
Speaker 6: it's because here's the thing, the death card is not
Speaker 6: the last card in the major arcana. It's it's like
Speaker 6: smack in the middle. So it's like the story is
Speaker 6: not over. That's just part of it. But the next
Speaker 6: is temperance. Now now that you're rising from death, now
Speaker 6: that you let go, be careful of what you manifest
Speaker 6: from here, be a bit more wise going forward. So anyways,
Speaker 6: I just wanted to bring that out. The death card
Speaker 6: is far from the last card in the in the spread.
Speaker 4: Oh dude, that is perfectful, and even just from my
Speaker 4: own personal perspective, that's exactly what I needed, bro, like
Speaker 4: on some real shit, Like you ever noticed that, Like
Speaker 4: sometimes we'll get cards and maybe we resonate with them,
Speaker 4: maybe we don't, but sometimes they just hit so damn
Speaker 4: close to home at like certain times.
Speaker 5: You're just like, ah, yes, I needed that. So yeah,
Speaker 5: I love it.
Speaker 4: I love the one of a working unicating with the
Speaker 4: taro in that sense. But uh, but yeah, if you
Speaker 4: guys would first, I guess we'll go with Lord Byron.
Speaker 4: I mean, if this is anybody's first time listening to
Speaker 4: meta mysteries, holy shit. But yeah, I mean, if if
Speaker 4: it's not your first time, then I can guarantee you've
Speaker 4: heard Lord Byron. But for those that don't know you
Speaker 4: Byron or are or are unaware of your work, sir,
Speaker 4: where would they be able to find yet?
Speaker 6: Uh?
Speaker 7: My main YouTube channel is may Apotheosis and then Instagram
Speaker 7: Lord Byron Jester all lowercase, all one word.
Speaker 4: All right, we'll have that laying down on the show
Speaker 4: notes below. Anybody wants to be able to go check
Speaker 4: out Lord Byron, he's the man.
Speaker 5: We love you, bro, and also Eric, where would they
Speaker 5: be able to find you at?
Speaker 8: Sir?
Speaker 6: Yeah? Yeah, you can find my main website with all
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Speaker 4: And with that being said, if Lord Byron Jester and
Speaker 4: durcre Ea game here and it's on you anything, it's
Speaker 4: that you don't know what you don't know, just get weird.
Speaker 8: Staying weird.
Speaker 1: Dary Color swell the Stars a line in the Mental Mysteries.
Speaker 6: Your finding.
Speaker 8: Got me got me too, Yeah, dude, I was.
Speaker 5: I was in there, dude, like swimwear.
Speaker 6: Dude.
Speaker 9: It's interesting, you know, we we talk about you know,
Speaker 9: the metaphysics of things that we try to understand, these
Speaker 9: unseen forces. But one thing that is so underestimated, dude,
Speaker 9: is the unseen force of the subconscious mind. You know,
Speaker 9: the patterns and the ego and everything that's just intertwined
Speaker 9: as of now making you who you are, you know,
Speaker 9: and it's just like if you don't stop and look
Speaker 9: at that and examine it and try to make those
Speaker 9: necessary changes, it's just gonna continue and you're not even
Speaker 9: gonna know what's going on. You know, you're just gonna,
Speaker 9: like ca Al Young said, it's just gonna be fate,
Speaker 9: you know. But that unseen force is a is a
Speaker 9: It's a strong one, man, it really is.
Speaker 4: Well, and people, you know, it really bothers me when
Speaker 4: people just look at you know, especially like within like
Speaker 4: older religious books and whatnot, that they're like, well, we're
Speaker 4: just humans, we're just sinners, we're just dirty rags, We're
Speaker 4: just that, We're just this. And it's like people take
Speaker 4: that on and they're like, well, I can never be
Speaker 4: like that. I could never do these kinds of things.
Speaker 4: I'm just a human. And I'm like there's a portion
Speaker 4: of you that is I'm not saying that there isn't.
Speaker 4: But then there's also this other portion of you that
Speaker 4: is observing, the one that is aware, the one that
Speaker 4: you know that it's there, but it's so subtle you
Speaker 4: barely can even catch it. Sometimes, you know that that
Speaker 4: version of you that is alive in meditation, whenever you
Speaker 4: get so deep, that version of you that is alive,
Speaker 4: whenever you're so deep in a past life regression or
Speaker 4: a hypnotic state or something like that, Like, there's something
Speaker 4: that is so much more than just plain old human.
Speaker 4: It's not even funny, dude, like it's and it's so there,
Speaker 4: but it's it's so subtle at the same time.
Speaker 5: And that's what I love about it.
Speaker 4: And that's what's so fascinating, and that's why we love
Speaker 4: meditating so often, is because it's that's that's the time
Speaker 4: where all the other chitter chatter slows down and you're
Speaker 4: able just to be with the highest version of your
Speaker 4: of yourself and and if that is made in the
Speaker 4: image and likeness of God, that makes the most sense
Speaker 4: right there, right man.
Speaker 9: And I really I really love how how Eric and Byron,
Speaker 9: you know, how they were putting it as far as
Speaker 9: like the whisper, or the very subtle, almost residue that
Speaker 9: is magic.
Speaker 8: You know, that that little voice in your head that says,
Speaker 8: why did you put your wallet there?
Speaker 9: Because you know that's not where you normally put it
Speaker 9: and you know you're not going to be able to
Speaker 9: find it later. You know, like, that's a weird place
Speaker 9: to put it. I shouldn't put it there, but I
Speaker 9: did anyways. It's like that's the voice of wisdom, of Sophia,
Speaker 9: of the gin, of the genius, of the higher self,
Speaker 9: whatever you want to call it. It's like you already
Speaker 9: have the answer. You know you shouldn't have done that,
Speaker 9: but you did it anyway. You know, you ignore it.
Speaker 4: That's actually something that I think about so often too,
Speaker 4: because I'm like, all right, why am I so aware
Speaker 4: of the subtle little shit that I really shouldn't be
Speaker 4: worrying about. And it's almost like, all right, well, was
Speaker 4: this another spirit that is communicating with me? Is this
Speaker 4: just me me being like hyper aware in this moment?
Speaker 4: Or is it is it something you know higher up?
Speaker 4: Is it you with the highest form at that point?
Speaker 4: So it's like, you know, in those cases, like you know,
Speaker 4: don't set your keys here, don't set your wallet there,
Speaker 4: and you almost feel like a little schizophrenic sometimes.
Speaker 8: You know what I'm saying, Like the almost you almost.
Speaker 4: Feel like a little paranoid because you're like, all right,
Speaker 4: my my higher mind or something is telling me not
Speaker 4: to do these things or to do these things, and
Speaker 4: you know, and it can be a little overwhelming sometimes,
Speaker 4: you know. But then there's other times where you're like,
Speaker 4: just calm down, Like it's not telling you to go
Speaker 4: jump off a damn bridge. It's just telling you, like,
Speaker 4: maybe you shouldn't lay your glasses there, you know.
Speaker 5: Like something so simple like that.
Speaker 4: And you know, and and what I found to be
Speaker 4: the the most peculiar thing about a lot of this
Speaker 4: is that it just really helps you to be present
Speaker 4: more than anything, you know, like to to be in
Speaker 4: the most important thing a point, and there was there
Speaker 4: was something that I've I'm pretty sure I've mentioned this before,
Speaker 4: but I heard it from someone else where. It's like,
Speaker 4: you know, imagine you're seventy five years old, and really
Speaker 4: where you are right now is just in the memory
Speaker 4: of that seventy five year old person, and that seventy
Speaker 4: five year old person found a way to get in
Speaker 4: a time machine or to be able to replay the
Speaker 4: movie or something like that. And that has helped me
Speaker 4: out tremendously just in my own life, just putting myself
Speaker 4: like making sure that if if I was that guy,
Speaker 4: what would I do in this moment if I could
Speaker 4: go back.
Speaker 8: And hold one last advantage of it? Right?
Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, And that's especially like prominent whenever I like,
Speaker 4: if I'm like hugging my kid, hugging and kissing my
Speaker 4: kid good night, you know, like just something so simple,
Speaker 4: giving them a big hug and kissing them, tell them
Speaker 4: I love them and stuff like that. It's like those
Speaker 4: moments they are so fleeting because I have a coming
Speaker 4: up on a three year old, but I also have
Speaker 4: a coming up on a fourteen year old too, and
Speaker 4: I know how fast it goes. It is incredibly, it
Speaker 4: goes so fast. It's like it's it's gone before you
Speaker 4: know it. And I'm not saying you know, it's like
Speaker 4: you have different relationships with a fourteen year old versus
Speaker 4: a three year old, you know what I'm saying. And
Speaker 4: so yeah, I think that it's important to just try
Speaker 4: and remain as present as humanly possible so that it
Speaker 4: I mean, it's gonna time's gonna go by regardless, but
Speaker 4: to be able to cherish those little moments is so profound.
Speaker 4: And to be honest, I think like magic kind of
Speaker 4: taught me that in a way.
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 9: Yeah, it's its own modality, man, you know, and that
Speaker 9: I don't want people to get, you know, I don't
Speaker 9: want myself even to get too caught up in you know,
Speaker 9: what box to put that in?
Speaker 6: Or or what is this?
Speaker 8: And what is that? What do we call that?
Speaker 9: And it's like whatever you want to call it, you know,
Speaker 9: I feel like we all experience it and and you know,
Speaker 9: just call it what you want to call it, and
Speaker 9: understand it to be what you understand it to be
Speaker 9: and go from there, you know, as long as you
Speaker 9: recognize it and take those moments of hugging your kid
Speaker 9: and saying to yourself, wow, I could be just you know,
Speaker 9: just for that example that you set, you know, in
Speaker 9: a memory of you know, this moment that I might
Speaker 9: have missed because I was just too busy, you know,
Speaker 9: in my own head, trying to figure out shit and
Speaker 9: make the money and do whatever. And it's like, it's
Speaker 9: funny because I took my daughter to go and get
Speaker 9: herself some Panda and it's.
Speaker 8: Like one of her favorite things. She's like, oh, I
Speaker 8: love pan Express, you know.
Speaker 9: And she was sitting there holding her food and we
Speaker 9: had to go get food for the other kids at
Speaker 9: some other place, and.
Speaker 8: She was like, she was saying, how did you put it?
Speaker 9: She was like, oh, I'm gonna like hold on to
Speaker 9: this moment because I know that like, once I'm done
Speaker 9: eating this, then it's you know, it's done, it's over.
Speaker 9: I said, well, how about you pretend that you already
Speaker 9: ate it and now you just went back in time
Speaker 9: and now you get to eat it again. And she
Speaker 9: went like that, you know, it's like just a little
Speaker 9: games that you could play with.
Speaker 8: With just the mind.
Speaker 4: Oh dude, yeah, it's it's awesome, Like how all that?
Speaker 4: You know, because once you understand that you are not
Speaker 4: the mind that you're you can actually become in control
Speaker 4: of your mind.
Speaker 5: You can trick it all day long. And it's not
Speaker 5: even just tricking it.
Speaker 4: So like, here's an example, one thing that I realize
Speaker 4: just to use the me giving my son a hug
Speaker 4: before he goes to sleep. Example, whenever I hug him
Speaker 4: and I'm in that moment, it's not that as far
Speaker 4: as like presence goes it, you almost have to put
Speaker 4: yourself in the mindset of this is the only thing
Speaker 4: that is going on in the entire world in this moment,
Speaker 4: is this moment that I'm having with my kid.
Speaker 5: Yeah, all the other things exist.
Speaker 4: Your living room still there, you know, your other kids are,
Speaker 4: you know, doing they're doing with what they're doing. But
Speaker 4: in that moment, the only thing that exists is your
Speaker 4: embrace with your little one or whatever it is. Like,
Speaker 4: And dude, in that sense, it makes it feel so
Speaker 4: much more powerful and so much more There's just something
Speaker 4: more meaningful about it whenever nothing else exists in that moment.
Speaker 8: You know, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 9: To take that further, you know, I can't tell you
Speaker 9: how many times I've looked at pictures. You know, sometimes
Speaker 9: our TV will kind of go into like a screensaver
Speaker 9: mode and it'll just start start showing some of our
Speaker 9: photos that are on our phones, and I see pictures
Speaker 9: of the kids and they're you know, they're this big,
Speaker 9: and I'm like, wow, Like I wish I could go
Speaker 9: back to that and just like pick them up. And
Speaker 9: you know, because they were they were small, you could
Speaker 9: pick them up and like, you know, throw them around
Speaker 9: and kiss them or whatever. And I see those pictures
Speaker 9: now and I'm not gonna lie, dude.
Speaker 8: It kind of makes me emotional because I can't do that,
Speaker 8: you know, that moment, that that moment is gone. Yeah,
Speaker 8: you know. But then it's like, okay, like you said,
Speaker 8: take advantage of now you know that's what we got.
Speaker 5: That's it, dude. And also like, just as far as
Speaker 5: that whole death card, man, that really was so perfect.
Speaker 9: On top of the synchronousities, well, oh my god, that
Speaker 9: tripped me out a little wit. It was, oh fuck perfect.
Speaker 4: It was there could there wasn't another better card for
Speaker 4: that moment, for that conversation, even just what's been going
Speaker 4: on in my life here in the past couple of days,
Speaker 4: could not have been a more perfect hard and man,
Speaker 4: that's just such a powerful sentiment that that we shared
Speaker 4: in that moment.
Speaker 5: I thought that was really cool.
Speaker 9: Yeah, it was a It was a good one, man.
Speaker 9: Like I said, I'm gonna have to go back and
Speaker 9: re listen to it. Personal, dude, you some good shit
Speaker 9: in there. Yes, he is the fucking man. Lord Byron.
Speaker 4: Also the fucking man loved having conversation and just trying
Speaker 4: to understand how it works from a different perspective instead
Speaker 4: of just sitting there judging it. You know, nobody learns
Speaker 4: anything from judgment at all, Like you were prohibiting yourself
Speaker 4: from learning anything when you were sitting there in judgment.
Speaker 4: And there's just so much more to learn ro than
Speaker 4: just that's not what I believe, or that's working with
Speaker 4: this or that. Get past that, just to just to
Speaker 4: be able to be that sponge and spoke it and
Speaker 4: soak it all up to really try and understand it.
Speaker 5: And I think that he really appreciated that too, that
Speaker 5: we kind of took that angle.
Speaker 9: Oh absolutely, d Yeah, it was a great episode, man,
Speaker 9: And can't wait to have a back man, both studs studs.
Speaker 5: But anyhow, Yeah, with that being said, we're gonna wrap
Speaker 5: it up right here, and uh, I can't wait for
Speaker 5: Wonder Wednesday. Now it's gonna be a fun one. Say so,
Speaker 5: all right, guys, we will see all the flip side of.
Speaker 1: Voices, drift on winds, untain words like spells that can't
Speaker 1: be gained, Close your eyes and feel the sound journey
Speaker 1: where no bounds are found, open.
Speaker 2: Doors, side to mind, the ordinary, far behind color, soul stars,
Speaker 2: lines
Speaker 1: In the mental mysteries, your fire