WEBVTT 1 00:00:04.719 --> 00:00:07.200 Yeah, I want to kind of go off on a 2 00:00:09.160 --> 00:00:13.359 bit of a tangent if I can't, because I'm in it, 3 00:00:13.480 --> 00:00:17.079 did a lot of research, and I'm planning to start 4 00:00:17.120 --> 00:00:24.120 releasing a series of volumes of books that are long overdue. 5 00:00:24.239 --> 00:00:26.280 So but I'd like to touch on a few things 6 00:00:26.280 --> 00:00:27.280 if you don't mind. 7 00:00:27.760 --> 00:00:30.960 Yeah. Absolutely. One thing I wanted to throw out the 8 00:00:31.079 --> 00:00:33.880 real quick is regarding what we were just discussing. 9 00:00:34.320 --> 00:00:34.520 You know. 10 00:00:34.880 --> 00:00:37.119 You know, we talked about the fear factor about a 11 00:00:37.159 --> 00:00:40.119 lot of these things, like the mountain lion for example, 12 00:00:40.240 --> 00:00:42.399 and even if we were to entertain the thought and 13 00:00:42.479 --> 00:00:46.600 include Bigfoot in this, you know, apart from the fear factor, 14 00:00:46.719 --> 00:00:51.520 the other thing too, it comes to mind is the economy. 15 00:00:52.399 --> 00:00:56.920 And the reason I bring that up is because looking 16 00:00:56.960 --> 00:01:00.399 back into the nineteen I think as early as nineteen 17 00:01:00.439 --> 00:01:04.439 sixties when the sparted our was first sparted and then 18 00:01:04.519 --> 00:01:07.359 later on get started and discovered again in the eighties, 19 00:01:07.439 --> 00:01:09.840 and then I think it was the early nineties when 20 00:01:10.079 --> 00:01:14.400 officially when it became on part of the endangered species list. 21 00:01:14.519 --> 00:01:17.319 Now the sparted out. When I did my research on that, 22 00:01:17.799 --> 00:01:20.159 it's just a small little bird, you know, that's spartedt 23 00:01:20.159 --> 00:01:23.560 Our's not big and when that shut down the whole 24 00:01:24.040 --> 00:01:26.879 logging industry, which is a big part of the economy 25 00:01:26.879 --> 00:01:30.680 out in the Pacific Northwest. You know, if you think 26 00:01:30.680 --> 00:01:34.000 about something as small as the sparted owl shut down 27 00:01:34.680 --> 00:01:38.200 a lot, you know, the economy. You know, if the 28 00:01:38.200 --> 00:01:40.760 authorities will come out and admit that, hey, yeah we 29 00:01:40.799 --> 00:01:46.480 have this humanoid bipedal subject of Roman North America, you know, 30 00:01:46.799 --> 00:01:50.040 I mean, you know, you know, it makes you think, well, 31 00:01:50.560 --> 00:01:52.200 if they were to admit to that, and they would 32 00:01:52.239 --> 00:01:55.560 have to put possibly on the endangered species list or 33 00:01:55.959 --> 00:01:57.760 you know, all these legal matters would have to come 34 00:01:57.760 --> 00:02:00.319 into play. I mean I would just think. I couldn't 35 00:02:00.319 --> 00:02:03.120 help the think about, yeah, what if they were to 36 00:02:03.159 --> 00:02:05.519 admit to all this? You know that we have these 37 00:02:05.519 --> 00:02:08.759 species living among us that people laugh at us for 38 00:02:08.840 --> 00:02:11.080 believing it. 39 00:02:11.159 --> 00:02:16.159 So yeah, well there there again, Daniel. We we go 40 00:02:16.439 --> 00:02:20.840 back to the consequences, and that certainly comes to mind. 41 00:02:22.080 --> 00:02:24.840 You know, I think back when I was training on 42 00:02:24.960 --> 00:02:28.599 Camp ri Leah. We were a mechanized unit, meaning that 43 00:02:28.719 --> 00:02:35.560 we were in tracked vehicles. We we my comment engineer 44 00:02:35.639 --> 00:02:39.840 unit went to mechanize and we used armored personnel carriers. 45 00:02:40.400 --> 00:02:42.960 And you want to take those those puppies off road. 46 00:02:43.000 --> 00:02:45.719 That's what they're designed for, right. So we had a 47 00:02:45.800 --> 00:02:49.039 huge training area, actually a number of training areas on 48 00:02:49.080 --> 00:02:53.879 the base of Camp ri Leah, and suddenly the environmentalists 49 00:02:53.879 --> 00:02:59.240 came along and started hanging in these little traps, if 50 00:02:59.280 --> 00:03:03.039 you will, from branches of trees all around the base. 51 00:03:04.280 --> 00:03:06.960 And in that particular case, it had to do with 52 00:03:07.080 --> 00:03:13.560 what they called the silver spot butterfly. And I swear 53 00:03:13.680 --> 00:03:18.599 to you they they claimed that that silver spot butterfly 54 00:03:18.919 --> 00:03:21.520 was indigenous to the base we were on and that 55 00:03:21.599 --> 00:03:26.159 they were fairly rare, they were threatened, if not in endangered, 56 00:03:26.639 --> 00:03:29.000 and so they were putting these traps up to catch 57 00:03:29.039 --> 00:03:31.120 them to see if they can, you know, do an 58 00:03:31.159 --> 00:03:34.280 inventory on how many are out there. And the entire 59 00:03:34.360 --> 00:03:37.039 time they did that, we were prevented from taking our 60 00:03:37.159 --> 00:03:40.919 armored personnel cares off any roadways at all on the base. 61 00:03:41.800 --> 00:03:46.639 It totally detracted from real real world training, you know 62 00:03:46.680 --> 00:03:51.439 what I mean. So that and the marmold murlet, which 63 00:03:51.520 --> 00:03:55.879 was also known to be on the coast there. In 64 00:03:55.919 --> 00:03:59.360 the case of the spot at owl, they were specifically 65 00:04:00.319 --> 00:04:03.360 it did shut down the industry just as a correction, 66 00:04:03.560 --> 00:04:08.080 but they shut down any logging in what was known 67 00:04:08.120 --> 00:04:12.360 as old growth forest. An old growth forest are tracts 68 00:04:12.400 --> 00:04:16.319 of timber that have never ever been cut. We're talking 69 00:04:16.720 --> 00:04:19.560 wilderness that is the same as it was ten thousand 70 00:04:19.639 --> 00:04:24.680 years ago. The claim, as it turned out, was false 71 00:04:24.920 --> 00:04:28.959 because not only did they find that the spotted owl 72 00:04:29.120 --> 00:04:36.000 was very comfortable in reprodder trees that were planted after 73 00:04:36.120 --> 00:04:40.279 harvest of old growth forests, but they were actually spotted 74 00:04:40.439 --> 00:04:44.600 in one case living. I remember this one story about 75 00:04:44.680 --> 00:04:49.800 that they found a spotted owl living in a It 76 00:04:49.920 --> 00:04:55.439 made a nest on a lighted sign. I want to 77 00:04:55.439 --> 00:04:58.680 say it was like a seven to eleven sign or something. 78 00:04:59.040 --> 00:05:01.879 I could be wrong, but but that it was enjoying 79 00:05:01.920 --> 00:05:04.519 the heat that the sign produced, and so it was 80 00:05:04.600 --> 00:05:07.040 so it was a lot more adaptable than what they 81 00:05:07.040 --> 00:05:10.399 were claiming it to be. And so I know a 82 00:05:10.439 --> 00:05:13.040 lot of that changed. But yeah, that's again we get 83 00:05:13.079 --> 00:05:19.519 back to consequence. Isn't that affecting access to certain areas 84 00:05:19.600 --> 00:05:23.439 recreationally as well as for logging and all. That is 85 00:05:23.600 --> 00:05:26.560 just one of those things that again, if they can 86 00:05:26.639 --> 00:05:33.360 avoid that sort of disruption, then again there's no consequence 87 00:05:33.439 --> 00:05:37.680 for not saying anything. And that's they what they prefer 88 00:05:37.800 --> 00:05:39.560 to do. Yeah. 89 00:05:40.120 --> 00:05:43.000 Yeah, because a lot of your your game department authorities, 90 00:05:43.120 --> 00:05:46.279 you know, your conservation police that come in, like for example, 91 00:05:46.319 --> 00:05:49.240 in the National Forest here in Virginia. Over the years, 92 00:05:50.279 --> 00:05:53.759 I can't tell you how many conversations I've had with 93 00:05:53.839 --> 00:05:57.240 some of these game wardens and the conservation police. And 94 00:05:57.839 --> 00:06:00.000 you know, they they you know, when they see you 95 00:06:00.079 --> 00:06:02.560 out their camping in these primitive camp spots, you know, 96 00:06:02.600 --> 00:06:04.839 they drive in, they check on you, make sure you're 97 00:06:04.839 --> 00:06:07.000 not doing nothing illegal that you're not supposed to be 98 00:06:07.000 --> 00:06:10.480 doing up there. And uh, I mean I get in 99 00:06:10.560 --> 00:06:12.800 conversations with them. I like, you know, they're they're great people. 100 00:06:13.639 --> 00:06:16.680 The older Now they got the younger groups, the younger 101 00:06:16.720 --> 00:06:17.639 crews coming in there. 102 00:06:17.680 --> 00:06:18.439 Now. Uh. 103 00:06:19.079 --> 00:06:20.279 I used to deal with a lot of the old 104 00:06:20.360 --> 00:06:23.000 timers that been in there. I'm sure they're probably retired 105 00:06:23.040 --> 00:06:25.480 right now. But now there's the younger group that come 106 00:06:25.560 --> 00:06:28.480 in here, and you know, I'll get into conversations. But 107 00:06:28.519 --> 00:06:30.879 it sometimes I see the decals of my vehicle and 108 00:06:31.000 --> 00:06:32.600 you know, some of them are very cool, like hey, 109 00:06:33.000 --> 00:06:35.480 they get out of their vehicle. It's like I gotta 110 00:06:35.519 --> 00:06:38.439 add this is coming from them now. Look like they 111 00:06:38.439 --> 00:06:40.720 got to ask ask me, like, what. 112 00:06:40.639 --> 00:06:41.720 Do you know about bigfoot? 113 00:06:42.120 --> 00:06:43.000 You know, I don't get. 114 00:06:42.800 --> 00:06:43.560 Into talking to them. 115 00:06:43.600 --> 00:06:46.920 I keep a small talk, but it's fun. And then 116 00:06:47.079 --> 00:06:51.639 while throughout the conversation, I'll bring it up, you know, 117 00:06:51.680 --> 00:06:54.720 because I know, I just want to see if any 118 00:06:54.800 --> 00:06:57.319 single one of them will share a different story or 119 00:06:57.360 --> 00:07:00.879 a different script. You know, I should say, I asked 120 00:07:00.920 --> 00:07:04.360 him about the mountain lions, and then once I bring 121 00:07:04.439 --> 00:07:08.720 up the word mountain lion, it never fails. Every single 122 00:07:08.759 --> 00:07:11.680 one of them has almost the same line, same script, 123 00:07:11.959 --> 00:07:14.199 you know about what you're you know, I want to 124 00:07:14.199 --> 00:07:15.959 ask him, I said, are you trained to tell you 125 00:07:16.240 --> 00:07:18.519 tell everybody that? Or is that what you really believe? 126 00:07:18.680 --> 00:07:21.079 You know, because it's like you're not full of me. 127 00:07:21.240 --> 00:07:23.240 I mean most of the time, I don't even question that. 128 00:07:23.680 --> 00:07:25.240 There's so much I want to say to them, but 129 00:07:25.680 --> 00:07:27.519 I just listened to what they had to say. Basically, 130 00:07:27.560 --> 00:07:29.120 I let it go in one ear and with the 131 00:07:29.199 --> 00:07:33.319 out the other. Because here in Virginia, I personally I 132 00:07:33.360 --> 00:07:36.199 am a witness. I've seen a black one right in 133 00:07:36.279 --> 00:07:39.279 my in my main research area in the George Washington 134 00:07:39.360 --> 00:07:42.879 National Force here in Virginia, I've seen one take his 135 00:07:43.000 --> 00:07:45.839 time crossing the road on me. You know, I know 136 00:07:45.879 --> 00:07:49.120 what I saw, you know, same area where I had 137 00:07:49.120 --> 00:07:52.279 my encounter in twenty fourteen of bigfoots, but this was 138 00:07:52.319 --> 00:07:56.680 a mountain lion. So and then plus just just north 139 00:07:56.680 --> 00:07:59.680 of here, northwest of here, There's been several sightings around 140 00:08:00.160 --> 00:08:04.160 the county, you know, and it blows my mind that 141 00:08:04.240 --> 00:08:07.079 they wanted to deny that they don't exist here. But 142 00:08:07.680 --> 00:08:11.560 I've heard stories from people, Uh places I worked at 143 00:08:11.639 --> 00:08:14.959 where customers will come in and share stories like, well, 144 00:08:15.079 --> 00:08:15.959 I met an old timer. 145 00:08:16.040 --> 00:08:18.360 He's retired from the department blah blah blah, but he 146 00:08:18.519 --> 00:08:20.199 came out and told me he was Back in the 147 00:08:20.240 --> 00:08:23.680 early nineties, there was a male and female that was 148 00:08:23.759 --> 00:08:28.839 released untagged on top of the parkway here, the parkway. 149 00:08:28.560 --> 00:08:30.839 Talking about the Skyline Drive that runs through here, Virginia. 150 00:08:31.959 --> 00:08:34.240 And you know, I was like, Okay, well that's cool. 151 00:08:34.279 --> 00:08:37.639 That's that's cool information. I mean, there's no online record 152 00:08:37.639 --> 00:08:40.440 of that information. But this individual has told this by 153 00:08:40.440 --> 00:08:41.720 the old timer that's retired. 154 00:08:42.480 --> 00:08:46.519 You know. Yeah, I've heard of them retired. A lot 155 00:08:46.519 --> 00:08:50.159 of them will wait until they retire to even discuss 156 00:08:50.279 --> 00:08:52.840 not only Mountain Line, but even Bigfoot and it's and 157 00:08:52.879 --> 00:08:56.559 it's you know, they are operating with certain protocols. I'm 158 00:08:56.559 --> 00:08:59.240 sure they go through every possible scenario and their training 159 00:08:59.279 --> 00:09:05.200 as to how to respond to certain certain situations. But yeah, 160 00:09:05.759 --> 00:09:07.080 you know, I don't know what the big deal is 161 00:09:07.080 --> 00:09:09.440 when it comes to the cats, because you know, Oregon, 162 00:09:09.519 --> 00:09:12.480 we have an estimated population just in Oregon of six 163 00:09:12.559 --> 00:09:19.120 thousand wild cougar. So I mean, they do their things. 164 00:09:19.600 --> 00:09:22.440 They've been there longer than we have. They'll always be there. 165 00:09:22.519 --> 00:09:25.080 It's just a matter of adapting to the concept they're 166 00:09:25.080 --> 00:09:27.559 out there and to be on guard and to know 167 00:09:27.600 --> 00:09:32.399 how to react should you encounter them. There's signs everywhere. 168 00:09:32.440 --> 00:09:35.440 In fact, I can. I can right behind where I 169 00:09:35.519 --> 00:09:38.159 used to live on Mount Hood who is the wild 170 00:09:38.879 --> 00:09:43.120 Wildwood Recreation Area, And when you get started at the 171 00:09:43.159 --> 00:09:46.720 trailheads there in that recreation area, there are signs that 172 00:09:46.759 --> 00:09:50.080 say this is bear country, this is cougar country, and 173 00:09:50.120 --> 00:09:52.200 should you run into a bear, this is how you 174 00:09:52.240 --> 00:09:54.480 need to respond. And should you run into a cougar, 175 00:09:54.519 --> 00:09:58.159 this is how you respond. And frankly, I don't go 176 00:09:58.200 --> 00:10:01.639 in the woods without you know, king some sort of protection. 177 00:10:02.679 --> 00:10:06.039 We're in the same way here in Virginia. We all packed. 178 00:10:07.919 --> 00:10:14.399 Yeah, we know it's out there. So I want to 179 00:10:14.480 --> 00:10:17.639 segue a little bit if I can to do some 180 00:10:17.720 --> 00:10:21.879 research I've been doing lately. I think it's really fascinating, 181 00:10:22.120 --> 00:10:25.039 and to my knowledge, I'm the only one that's really 182 00:10:26.440 --> 00:10:31.320 gone down this rabbit hole. But we were talking before 183 00:10:31.360 --> 00:10:35.919 we came on on the air about the sighting I 184 00:10:35.960 --> 00:10:39.679 had in ninety three, and I confided with you that 185 00:10:39.799 --> 00:10:47.480 I've had one other sighting scenario, another encounter a little 186 00:10:47.480 --> 00:10:51.399 over two and a half years ago. And you know, 187 00:10:51.480 --> 00:10:54.159 bear in mind, it took me twenty eight years to 188 00:10:54.600 --> 00:11:00.960 have a second sighting of the bigfoots. And it's an 189 00:11:00.960 --> 00:11:03.679 interesting story and one that has led me in a 190 00:11:03.679 --> 00:11:10.159 whole different direction in my research. But if you'll allow me, 191 00:11:11.480 --> 00:11:16.679 I had been working and working. I've been communicating in 192 00:11:16.759 --> 00:11:23.279 contact with members of the Omaha Tribe in Nebraska. The 193 00:11:24.240 --> 00:11:29.519 Omaha tribe lives literally on the border with Nebraska and Iowa, 194 00:11:29.759 --> 00:11:36.480 and what separates the two is the Missouri River. Now, 195 00:11:37.080 --> 00:11:41.200 if you'd asked me beforehand to name a single state 196 00:11:41.240 --> 00:11:44.480 where I really didn't believe Bigfoot existed, I think Nebraska 197 00:11:44.559 --> 00:11:47.759 would have been right up in my top three mainly 198 00:11:47.799 --> 00:11:51.960 because my perception of Nebraska was nothing but extremely flat 199 00:11:52.080 --> 00:11:56.679 land and corn and soybeans as far as you can see, 200 00:11:56.960 --> 00:12:02.840 and for it is, ninety five percent of the state 201 00:12:02.960 --> 00:12:06.200 is very much like that. But that section that that 202 00:12:06.399 --> 00:12:12.519 border with Iowa fairly long, a few hundred miles long, 203 00:12:13.000 --> 00:12:19.399 and it again the dividing line of border, the boundary 204 00:12:19.440 --> 00:12:25.720 between the states is that Missouri River. That Missouri River 205 00:12:25.799 --> 00:12:31.600 has carved a really deep canyon, if you will, between 206 00:12:31.679 --> 00:12:37.080 the states. So it's along that eastern edge of Nebraska 207 00:12:37.240 --> 00:12:44.240 where the reservation, the Omaha Reservation is situated. Now, in 208 00:12:44.279 --> 00:12:48.159 the course of several years, they had told me that 209 00:12:48.480 --> 00:12:55.200 they were having multiple encounters with these things, and that 210 00:12:55.360 --> 00:12:58.919 to me was something that I found very difficult to believe. 211 00:12:58.960 --> 00:13:01.879 If you've seen them once, that's that's that's like winning 212 00:13:01.879 --> 00:13:04.039 the lottery. But to see them on a regular basis 213 00:13:04.200 --> 00:13:08.480 would would be tan amounts to have established a relationship 214 00:13:08.559 --> 00:13:11.279 with them. And I had kind of put that in 215 00:13:11.399 --> 00:13:15.960 the in the kind of hard to believe file, you know, 216 00:13:16.159 --> 00:13:19.320 as it is in bigfoot research, there tends to be 217 00:13:19.440 --> 00:13:23.679 two pretty distinct camps, and on one side you have 218 00:13:23.799 --> 00:13:29.679 the scientific biological flesh and blood camp, on the other extreme, 219 00:13:29.759 --> 00:13:34.960 you have the paranormal supernatural folks. Sometimes we refer to 220 00:13:35.000 --> 00:13:40.559 them sarcastically as the wu and and they can't be 221 00:13:41.039 --> 00:13:48.360 really any further apart. Now, I count myself amongst the former, 222 00:13:48.440 --> 00:13:54.279 that being flesh and blood biological creatures. And I've heard 223 00:13:54.320 --> 00:13:59.120 a lot of different things, certain anomalies that I would 224 00:13:59.159 --> 00:14:03.200 have to place in a little file off to this 225 00:14:03.399 --> 00:14:09.639 side in the paranormal supernatural category, simply because my go 226 00:14:09.759 --> 00:14:14.480 to when it comes to somebody saying that Bigfoot can 227 00:14:14.799 --> 00:14:21.919 create certain conditions, certain anomalies, is to say, all right, 228 00:14:22.039 --> 00:14:25.720 if you say Bigfoot could, say, I don't know, fly 229 00:14:26.000 --> 00:14:31.000 through the air and shoot flames at its butt, then okay, 230 00:14:31.120 --> 00:14:34.120 show me one other animal, a known species that can 231 00:14:34.200 --> 00:14:36.360 do that, and we've got a starting point. But if 232 00:14:36.399 --> 00:14:40.799 you can't, I'm not going to be able to really, 233 00:14:41.360 --> 00:14:46.639 you know, stomach that is something realistic. So I had 234 00:14:46.639 --> 00:14:50.639 placed a number of things in that category, you know. 235 00:14:51.000 --> 00:14:55.240 And but if we really look at the definition of paranormal, 236 00:14:56.480 --> 00:15:03.399 it literally means certain anomalies that have been experienced that 237 00:15:03.480 --> 00:15:06.600 cannot be explained by science today. And if we look 238 00:15:06.639 --> 00:15:09.320 at if we look at it through that lens, we 239 00:15:09.440 --> 00:15:13.399 have to say that there is a number of things 240 00:15:13.879 --> 00:15:19.799 that we put in that category fifty one hundred years 241 00:15:19.840 --> 00:15:23.399 ago that now have become common knowledge. So just because 242 00:15:23.440 --> 00:15:30.039 we don't have the scientific explanation for certain things doesn't 243 00:15:30.080 --> 00:15:34.159 mean they don't happen. And I say that by way 244 00:15:34.200 --> 00:15:37.720 of this story, I'm going to tell you one of 245 00:15:37.759 --> 00:15:42.720 the things I had put in that category is a 246 00:15:42.759 --> 00:15:45.799 phenomenon known as eyeshine. You've heard of that, I'm sure. 247 00:15:47.440 --> 00:15:56.360 Eyeshine from my understanding, was their ability to generate light 248 00:15:56.600 --> 00:16:04.519 from their eyes. And we're not talking reflection or bioluminescence 249 00:16:04.559 --> 00:16:08.559 for that matter, but somehow they're able to degenerate light 250 00:16:08.639 --> 00:16:13.360 and pitch blackness. And I you know, I did some 251 00:16:13.480 --> 00:16:17.240 research on it and I had come to the conclusion, 252 00:16:17.399 --> 00:16:21.080 you know, we see bioluminescence in nature, you know, again 253 00:16:21.639 --> 00:16:24.519 trying to apply it to what we do now. There's 254 00:16:24.519 --> 00:16:27.759 a lot of aquatic light life, especially deep sea life, 255 00:16:27.759 --> 00:16:36.399 that has it, and there's also photoplankton. And as I'm 256 00:16:36.440 --> 00:16:41.200 a certified scuba diver, I've actually swam through photoplankton that's 257 00:16:41.240 --> 00:16:45.960 on the surface of the ocean. And this is microscopic 258 00:16:46.000 --> 00:16:50.639 photoplankton that that will once when they're agitated, will actually 259 00:16:50.799 --> 00:16:58.279 glow give off some light. There are some reptiles coming, 260 00:16:58.360 --> 00:17:00.240 you know, bringing it to shore. We got there are 261 00:17:00.279 --> 00:17:04.640 some reptiles, plants, insects that can such as fireflies for instance, 262 00:17:06.160 --> 00:17:09.880 that can generate light, but I failed to find any 263 00:17:10.400 --> 00:17:14.960 examples in nature when it came to mammals, and so 264 00:17:15.359 --> 00:17:18.559 I kind of just said, well, then it's impossible, and 265 00:17:18.599 --> 00:17:23.920 I stuck it into that paranormal category. But they claimed 266 00:17:23.960 --> 00:17:28.319 and showed me several videos over the years of what 267 00:17:28.400 --> 00:17:32.039 they purported is eyeshine, and the victures really didn't give 268 00:17:32.079 --> 00:17:35.920 it justice. But there was something there that I, you know, 269 00:17:35.960 --> 00:17:39.599 I could barely make out. But the fact that they 270 00:17:39.680 --> 00:17:43.000 said that they had established a relationship with them and 271 00:17:43.039 --> 00:17:47.039 were able to bring them actually call them in got 272 00:17:47.119 --> 00:17:49.839 my attention. So one day I decided, what the hell 273 00:17:50.759 --> 00:17:52.920 I'm going to fly out there. They invited me to 274 00:17:53.000 --> 00:17:55.720 the reservation, and I got on a plane and went 275 00:17:55.759 --> 00:17:59.240 out there, and I spent a week on the reservation 276 00:17:59.680 --> 00:18:06.519 with these friends I had made on the reservation. We 277 00:18:06.759 --> 00:18:09.559 had been We spent the weekend I flew in Saturday. 278 00:18:09.680 --> 00:18:13.160 We got really to meet each other on Sunday, and uh, 279 00:18:13.599 --> 00:18:16.799 they seem pretty legit. And they said tomorrow, on Monday, 280 00:18:16.839 --> 00:18:20.599 We're going to go out in the forest and I'll 281 00:18:20.599 --> 00:18:24.599 show you what we're talking about. And so and again 282 00:18:24.680 --> 00:18:27.359 this was back when when COVID was a big thing, 283 00:18:27.599 --> 00:18:33.200 And so I point that out because one of the 284 00:18:33.440 --> 00:18:36.720 again one of the things I am very leary of, 285 00:18:36.880 --> 00:18:41.000 is being cranked, punked, hopesed, whatever you want to call it. 286 00:18:42.200 --> 00:18:46.400 And uh, you know, I'm always on guard for that. 287 00:18:47.200 --> 00:18:53.200 And so I'm thinking, you know, it's for them to 288 00:18:53.240 --> 00:18:56.519 pull us off. It would take you know, some other 289 00:18:56.519 --> 00:19:00.680 people participating, and and it didn't. That makes sense for 290 00:19:00.799 --> 00:19:05.200 me because the village, the main village for the Omaha 291 00:19:05.400 --> 00:19:09.880 tribe is a little town of called Maze, and they, 292 00:19:10.079 --> 00:19:14.599 because of COVID, they had locked down quarantined everybody in 293 00:19:14.720 --> 00:19:19.759 that on the reservation in that town. They were not 294 00:19:19.920 --> 00:19:24.640 allowed to leave after eight o'clock at night, and they 295 00:19:24.680 --> 00:19:31.440 weren't allowed to leave in the morning until you know, 296 00:19:31.759 --> 00:19:37.279 like daylight. So basically during day nighttime hours they were 297 00:19:37.279 --> 00:19:41.160 not allowed to leave. Now, the exception in our case 298 00:19:41.480 --> 00:19:45.759 was that the individual that I was friends with held 299 00:19:45.759 --> 00:19:50.880 a pretty high position on the council and so he 300 00:19:51.000 --> 00:19:55.319 had let's just say a little more clout when it 301 00:19:55.400 --> 00:19:58.880 came to leaving, and so they would allow us to 302 00:19:59.000 --> 00:20:02.480 leave the reserv to go I relieve the town, I 303 00:20:02.480 --> 00:20:05.440 should say, we were still on the reservation. So they 304 00:20:05.440 --> 00:20:07.359 took me out to an area and we never went 305 00:20:07.400 --> 00:20:11.000 out there until at least midnight. Okay, So we got 306 00:20:11.039 --> 00:20:14.519 out there on a Monday midnight. We drove to this 307 00:20:14.640 --> 00:20:19.240 location and it was very remote again in the Missouri 308 00:20:19.359 --> 00:20:24.759 River Valley, very heavy thick hardwoods, mostly oak, but some 309 00:20:25.039 --> 00:20:30.680 maple and a few pines scattered around, and parked the car. 310 00:20:30.839 --> 00:20:33.480 He said, get out, and no lights, keep all the 311 00:20:33.559 --> 00:20:37.119 lights off. Don't even turn on your cell phone. Just 312 00:20:37.440 --> 00:20:40.359 and it was so honestly, Daniel was so dark. I 313 00:20:40.400 --> 00:20:42.279 could not see the hand in front of my face. 314 00:20:42.440 --> 00:20:46.079 It was I mean, my friend was standing right next 315 00:20:46.119 --> 00:20:48.000 to me, and I could talk to him, but I 316 00:20:48.039 --> 00:20:51.240 couldn't even see him, you know, it was that dark. 317 00:20:51.440 --> 00:20:57.000 And so we walked carefully across the roadway and he 318 00:20:57.160 --> 00:21:00.720 stood at the edge of this road. Of course, there's 319 00:21:00.759 --> 00:21:03.880 no traffic going by. It's a two lane We're talking 320 00:21:03.920 --> 00:21:06.559 one lane each direction, and probably no more than about 321 00:21:06.599 --> 00:21:10.839 thirty feet wide. Walk to the edge of the roadway 322 00:21:10.880 --> 00:21:14.799 and we're looking off into complete darkness, and he cupped 323 00:21:14.799 --> 00:21:17.640 his hands to his mouth and he would call out. 324 00:21:18.640 --> 00:21:24.200 He would say, oh, Calgie. He would shout that out 325 00:21:24.240 --> 00:21:28.759 into the woods, into the darkness. I assumed it was woods. 326 00:21:28.759 --> 00:21:33.960 I couldn't rightly tell. And you know, he might do 327 00:21:34.039 --> 00:21:38.079 it again twenty thirty seconds later, and I'll be damned. 328 00:21:39.519 --> 00:21:42.119 I'm standing there looking at the pitch blackness, and all 329 00:21:42.160 --> 00:21:45.319 of a sudden, I see what appears to be a 330 00:21:45.440 --> 00:21:50.279 set of eyes, and they are lighted. They are very bright, 331 00:21:50.839 --> 00:21:53.880 to be honest with you, dim lights. But I'm looking 332 00:21:53.920 --> 00:21:57.160 out there and where once it was just pitch black, 333 00:21:57.240 --> 00:22:01.200 now I'm seeing what appear to be eyes. And again 334 00:22:01.279 --> 00:22:04.240 I'm thinking, Okay, has he got some LEDs out there? 335 00:22:04.519 --> 00:22:06.519 He got a little fob in his pocket and he's 336 00:22:06.559 --> 00:22:08.759 turning these on. He's punking me. I don't know. But 337 00:22:09.960 --> 00:22:15.119 here's the problem, Daniel. These eyes they blinked, they moved, 338 00:22:15.240 --> 00:22:19.319 and not only the eyes moved, but the individual itself 339 00:22:19.359 --> 00:22:23.079 would move. It would move left, sometimes right, sometimes closer, 340 00:22:23.160 --> 00:22:27.039 sometimes farther away. And at one time I know we 341 00:22:27.079 --> 00:22:30.279 had at least three separate individuals, and they all moved 342 00:22:30.279 --> 00:22:35.880 independent and It wasn't just this these eyes or when 343 00:22:35.880 --> 00:22:39.920 I assumed their eyes, but there were vocalizations that went 344 00:22:39.960 --> 00:22:45.839 along with it, And I mean crazy ass vocalizations the 345 00:22:46.000 --> 00:22:47.920 likes of which I had never heard. And I had 346 00:22:48.000 --> 00:22:53.440 heard vocalizations on numerous occasions, both in person and recorded, 347 00:22:54.640 --> 00:22:58.000 but there was one I'll never forget, and it was 348 00:22:58.720 --> 00:23:02.880 what I assume was female. Now, I'm going to estimate 349 00:23:02.960 --> 00:23:06.240 that these individuals that we were seeing that the eyeshine 350 00:23:06.279 --> 00:23:10.519 from were and again it's very difficult to judge distance 351 00:23:11.319 --> 00:23:13.680 at night, but I would have guessed they were roughly 352 00:23:13.680 --> 00:23:16.799 about one hundred and fifty feet away from us. This 353 00:23:17.039 --> 00:23:20.400 vocalization came from much farther back, maybe one hundred yards 354 00:23:20.440 --> 00:23:23.000 back in the tree line. But it was very loud, 355 00:23:24.359 --> 00:23:28.599 very high pitched, and that's why I presumed it was female. 356 00:23:29.240 --> 00:23:32.240 But it was the weirdest thing I ever heard. It was. 357 00:23:34.119 --> 00:23:38.720 It was a song. That's all I can It's the 358 00:23:38.759 --> 00:23:42.440 only way I can describe. It wasn't very long, maybe 359 00:23:42.480 --> 00:23:45.240 five or six seconds long, but in that five or 360 00:23:45.279 --> 00:23:49.400 six seconds, I heard at least anywhere from five to 361 00:23:49.640 --> 00:23:54.960 seven or eight notes that changed that it had a 362 00:23:55.039 --> 00:24:00.319 rhythm to it, It changed in pitch volume, so like, 363 00:24:00.400 --> 00:24:03.240 for I don't know, five or six seconds, I hear 364 00:24:03.279 --> 00:24:06.599 what sounds like a song, like a melody, like a 365 00:24:06.599 --> 00:24:10.759 little chorus, if you will. And it wasn't scary at all. 366 00:24:10.799 --> 00:24:15.319 In fact, I thought it was quite beautiful. And about 367 00:24:15.640 --> 00:24:19.440 twenty seconds later she does it again. And here's where 368 00:24:19.480 --> 00:24:23.279 it gets very interesting, at least for me as a 369 00:24:23.279 --> 00:24:30.359 citizen scientist, is it was an exact replica of the 370 00:24:30.400 --> 00:24:34.200 previous chorus, if you will, we'll just call it a chorus. 371 00:24:35.039 --> 00:24:40.039 Note for note, same volume, same change and pitch, same everything, 372 00:24:40.240 --> 00:24:46.599 same length, five or six seconds long, a break, And 373 00:24:47.559 --> 00:24:50.720 over the course of about a minute, she did this 374 00:24:50.960 --> 00:24:55.599 four times, four times and eats, and every time it 375 00:24:55.720 --> 00:25:01.920 was the same song. Now we can talk about these 376 00:25:01.960 --> 00:25:07.519 things roaring, screaming, howling, whooping, whatever you want to talk about, 377 00:25:07.759 --> 00:25:12.480 any sort of arbitrary grunt, ground, bark, whatever. This was 378 00:25:12.480 --> 00:25:20.119 something different. This was something that had meaning. You don't 379 00:25:20.160 --> 00:25:23.759 repeat something over and over again, especially something that complex, 380 00:25:24.440 --> 00:25:26.920 over and over again. If there if there's not a 381 00:25:27.000 --> 00:25:32.160 message somehow involved in that language language, that's all I 382 00:25:32.200 --> 00:25:35.680 can I can. I can tell you because uh, and 383 00:25:35.720 --> 00:25:40.200 I'll tell you this three days later, on a Wednesday 384 00:25:40.240 --> 00:25:46.559 in broad daylight. She did it again exactly the same 385 00:25:46.559 --> 00:25:49.519 way she did it three nights before, and just did 386 00:25:49.559 --> 00:25:51.880 it once. But I said, I'm like, I know that's 387 00:25:51.880 --> 00:25:54.839 all and I know that voice, and holy you know, 388 00:25:55.599 --> 00:25:59.839 so that was amazing. So between the eyeshine and the vocalizations, 389 00:25:59.880 --> 00:26:03.200 and this went on again. I tell you, I don't 390 00:26:03.799 --> 00:26:07.319 I had a hard time wrapping my head around seeing 391 00:26:07.359 --> 00:26:15.000 these things on multiple occasions, and like the eyeshine, I 392 00:26:15.119 --> 00:26:17.799 kind of got my ass handed to me because I 393 00:26:17.960 --> 00:26:23.400 had to admit that, yes, they have established a relationship, 394 00:26:23.440 --> 00:26:27.880 they are having multiple encounters and oh yes, that eyeshine thing, 395 00:26:27.960 --> 00:26:33.640 that's real. This went on five nights in a row. 396 00:26:34.200 --> 00:26:38.000 We went out Monday to Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. I had 397 00:26:38.000 --> 00:26:40.880 to catch my plane back on Saturday, very reluctantly, I 398 00:26:40.960 --> 00:26:45.400 might add. And it happened in two locations. I know. 399 00:26:45.599 --> 00:26:49.799 On one occasion, Wednesday or Thursday, we had some activity 400 00:26:49.839 --> 00:26:53.720 going on and it wasn't quite as active as the 401 00:26:53.759 --> 00:26:56.880