Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to kind of go off on a
Speaker 1: bit of a tangent if I can't, because I'm in it,
Speaker 1: did a lot of research, and I'm planning to start
Speaker 1: releasing a series of volumes of books that are long overdue.
Speaker 1: So but I'd like to touch on a few things
Speaker 1: if you don't mind.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely. One thing I wanted to throw out the
Speaker 2: real quick is regarding what we were just discussing.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: You know, we talked about the fear factor about a
Speaker 2: lot of these things, like the mountain lion for example,
Speaker 2: and even if we were to entertain the thought and
Speaker 2: include Bigfoot in this, you know, apart from the fear factor,
Speaker 2: the other thing too, it comes to mind is the economy.
Speaker 2: And the reason I bring that up is because looking
Speaker 2: back into the nineteen I think as early as nineteen
Speaker 2: sixties when the sparted our was first sparted and then
Speaker 2: later on get started and discovered again in the eighties,
Speaker 2: and then I think it was the early nineties when
Speaker 2: officially when it became on part of the endangered species list.
Speaker 2: Now the sparted out. When I did my research on that,
Speaker 2: it's just a small little bird, you know, that's spartedt
Speaker 2: Our's not big and when that shut down the whole
Speaker 2: logging industry, which is a big part of the economy
Speaker 2: out in the Pacific Northwest. You know, if you think
Speaker 2: about something as small as the sparted owl shut down
Speaker 2: a lot, you know, the economy. You know, if the
Speaker 2: authorities will come out and admit that, hey, yeah we
Speaker 2: have this humanoid bipedal subject of Roman North America, you know,
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, you know, it makes you think, well,
Speaker 2: if they were to admit to that, and they would
Speaker 2: have to put possibly on the endangered species list or
Speaker 2: you know, all these legal matters would have to come
Speaker 2: into play. I mean I would just think. I couldn't
Speaker 2: help the think about, yeah, what if they were to
Speaker 2: admit to all this? You know that we have these
Speaker 2: species living among us that people laugh at us for
Speaker 2: believing it.
Speaker 1: So yeah, well there there again, Daniel. We we go
Speaker 1: back to the consequences, and that certainly comes to mind.
Speaker 1: You know, I think back when I was training on
Speaker 1: Camp ri Leah. We were a mechanized unit, meaning that
Speaker 1: we were in tracked vehicles. We we my comment engineer
Speaker 1: unit went to mechanize and we used armored personnel carriers.
Speaker 1: And you want to take those those puppies off road.
Speaker 1: That's what they're designed for, right. So we had a
Speaker 1: huge training area, actually a number of training areas on
Speaker 1: the base of Camp ri Leah, and suddenly the environmentalists
Speaker 1: came along and started hanging in these little traps, if
Speaker 1: you will, from branches of trees all around the base.
Speaker 1: And in that particular case, it had to do with
Speaker 1: what they called the silver spot butterfly. And I swear
Speaker 1: to you they they claimed that that silver spot butterfly
Speaker 1: was indigenous to the base we were on and that
Speaker 1: they were fairly rare, they were threatened, if not in endangered,
Speaker 1: and so they were putting these traps up to catch
Speaker 1: them to see if they can, you know, do an
Speaker 1: inventory on how many are out there. And the entire
Speaker 1: time they did that, we were prevented from taking our
Speaker 1: armored personnel cares off any roadways at all on the base.
Speaker 1: It totally detracted from real real world training, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. So that and the marmold murlet, which
Speaker 1: was also known to be on the coast there. In
Speaker 1: the case of the spot at owl, they were specifically
Speaker 1: it did shut down the industry just as a correction,
Speaker 1: but they shut down any logging in what was known
Speaker 1: as old growth forest. An old growth forest are tracts
Speaker 1: of timber that have never ever been cut. We're talking
Speaker 1: wilderness that is the same as it was ten thousand
Speaker 1: years ago. The claim, as it turned out, was false
Speaker 1: because not only did they find that the spotted owl
Speaker 1: was very comfortable in reprodder trees that were planted after
Speaker 1: harvest of old growth forests, but they were actually spotted
Speaker 1: in one case living. I remember this one story about
Speaker 1: that they found a spotted owl living in a It
Speaker 1: made a nest on a lighted sign. I want to
Speaker 1: say it was like a seven to eleven sign or something.
Speaker 1: I could be wrong, but but that it was enjoying
Speaker 1: the heat that the sign produced, and so it was
Speaker 1: so it was a lot more adaptable than what they
Speaker 1: were claiming it to be. And so I know a
Speaker 1: lot of that changed. But yeah, that's again we get
Speaker 1: back to consequence. Isn't that affecting access to certain areas
Speaker 1: recreationally as well as for logging and all. That is
Speaker 1: just one of those things that again, if they can
Speaker 1: avoid that sort of disruption, then again there's no consequence
Speaker 1: for not saying anything. And that's they what they prefer
Speaker 1: to do. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because a lot of your your game department authorities,
Speaker 2: you know, your conservation police that come in, like for example,
Speaker 2: in the National Forest here in Virginia. Over the years,
Speaker 2: I can't tell you how many conversations I've had with
Speaker 2: some of these game wardens and the conservation police. And
Speaker 2: you know, they they you know, when they see you
Speaker 2: out their camping in these primitive camp spots, you know,
Speaker 2: they drive in, they check on you, make sure you're
Speaker 2: not doing nothing illegal that you're not supposed to be
Speaker 2: doing up there. And uh, I mean I get in
Speaker 2: conversations with them. I like, you know, they're they're great people.
Speaker 2: The older Now they got the younger groups, the younger
Speaker 2: crews coming in there.
Speaker 1: Now. Uh.
Speaker 2: I used to deal with a lot of the old
Speaker 2: timers that been in there. I'm sure they're probably retired
Speaker 2: right now. But now there's the younger group that come
Speaker 2: in here, and you know, I'll get into conversations. But
Speaker 2: it sometimes I see the decals of my vehicle and
Speaker 2: you know, some of them are very cool, like hey,
Speaker 2: they get out of their vehicle. It's like I gotta
Speaker 2: add this is coming from them now. Look like they
Speaker 2: got to ask ask me, like, what.
Speaker 1: Do you know about bigfoot?
Speaker 2: You know, I don't get.
Speaker 1: Into talking to them.
Speaker 2: I keep a small talk, but it's fun. And then
Speaker 2: while throughout the conversation, I'll bring it up, you know,
Speaker 2: because I know, I just want to see if any
Speaker 2: single one of them will share a different story or
Speaker 2: a different script. You know, I should say, I asked
Speaker 2: him about the mountain lions, and then once I bring
Speaker 2: up the word mountain lion, it never fails. Every single
Speaker 2: one of them has almost the same line, same script,
Speaker 2: you know about what you're you know, I want to
Speaker 2: ask him, I said, are you trained to tell you
Speaker 2: tell everybody that? Or is that what you really believe?
Speaker 2: You know, because it's like you're not full of me.
Speaker 2: I mean most of the time, I don't even question that.
Speaker 2: There's so much I want to say to them, but
Speaker 2: I just listened to what they had to say. Basically,
Speaker 2: I let it go in one ear and with the
Speaker 2: out the other. Because here in Virginia, I personally I
Speaker 2: am a witness. I've seen a black one right in
Speaker 2: my in my main research area in the George Washington
Speaker 2: National Force here in Virginia, I've seen one take his
Speaker 2: time crossing the road on me. You know, I know
Speaker 2: what I saw, you know, same area where I had
Speaker 2: my encounter in twenty fourteen of bigfoots, but this was
Speaker 2: a mountain lion. So and then plus just just north
Speaker 2: of here, northwest of here, There's been several sightings around
Speaker 2: the county, you know, and it blows my mind that
Speaker 2: they wanted to deny that they don't exist here. But
Speaker 2: I've heard stories from people, Uh places I worked at
Speaker 2: where customers will come in and share stories like, well,
Speaker 2: I met an old timer.
Speaker 3: He's retired from the department blah blah blah, but he
Speaker 3: came out and told me he was Back in the
Speaker 3: early nineties, there was a male and female that was
Speaker 3: released untagged on top of the parkway here, the parkway.
Speaker 2: Talking about the Skyline Drive that runs through here, Virginia.
Speaker 2: And you know, I was like, Okay, well that's cool.
Speaker 2: That's that's cool information. I mean, there's no online record
Speaker 2: of that information. But this individual has told this by
Speaker 2: the old timer that's retired.
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, I've heard of them retired. A lot
Speaker 1: of them will wait until they retire to even discuss
Speaker 1: not only Mountain Line, but even Bigfoot and it's and
Speaker 1: it's you know, they are operating with certain protocols. I'm
Speaker 1: sure they go through every possible scenario and their training
Speaker 1: as to how to respond to certain certain situations. But yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know what the big deal is
Speaker 1: when it comes to the cats, because you know, Oregon,
Speaker 1: we have an estimated population just in Oregon of six
Speaker 1: thousand wild cougar. So I mean, they do their things.
Speaker 1: They've been there longer than we have. They'll always be there.
Speaker 1: It's just a matter of adapting to the concept they're
Speaker 1: out there and to be on guard and to know
Speaker 1: how to react should you encounter them. There's signs everywhere.
Speaker 1: In fact, I can. I can right behind where I
Speaker 1: used to live on Mount Hood who is the wild
Speaker 1: Wildwood Recreation Area, And when you get started at the
Speaker 1: trailheads there in that recreation area, there are signs that
Speaker 1: say this is bear country, this is cougar country, and
Speaker 1: should you run into a bear, this is how you
Speaker 1: need to respond. And should you run into a cougar,
Speaker 1: this is how you respond. And frankly, I don't go
Speaker 1: in the woods without you know, king some sort of protection.
Speaker 2: We're in the same way here in Virginia. We all packed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we know it's out there. So I want to
Speaker 1: segue a little bit if I can to do some
Speaker 1: research I've been doing lately. I think it's really fascinating,
Speaker 1: and to my knowledge, I'm the only one that's really
Speaker 1: gone down this rabbit hole. But we were talking before
Speaker 1: we came on on the air about the sighting I
Speaker 1: had in ninety three, and I confided with you that
Speaker 1: I've had one other sighting scenario, another encounter a little
Speaker 1: over two and a half years ago. And you know,
Speaker 1: bear in mind, it took me twenty eight years to
Speaker 1: have a second sighting of the bigfoots. And it's an
Speaker 1: interesting story and one that has led me in a
Speaker 1: whole different direction in my research. But if you'll allow me,
Speaker 1: I had been working and working. I've been communicating in
Speaker 1: contact with members of the Omaha Tribe in Nebraska. The
Speaker 1: Omaha tribe lives literally on the border with Nebraska and Iowa,
Speaker 1: and what separates the two is the Missouri River. Now,
Speaker 1: if you'd asked me beforehand to name a single state
Speaker 1: where I really didn't believe Bigfoot existed, I think Nebraska
Speaker 1: would have been right up in my top three mainly
Speaker 1: because my perception of Nebraska was nothing but extremely flat
Speaker 1: land and corn and soybeans as far as you can see,
Speaker 1: and for it is, ninety five percent of the state
Speaker 1: is very much like that. But that section that that
Speaker 1: border with Iowa fairly long, a few hundred miles long,
Speaker 1: and it again the dividing line of border, the boundary
Speaker 1: between the states is that Missouri River. That Missouri River
Speaker 1: has carved a really deep canyon, if you will, between
Speaker 1: the states. So it's along that eastern edge of Nebraska
Speaker 1: where the reservation, the Omaha Reservation is situated. Now, in
Speaker 1: the course of several years, they had told me that
Speaker 1: they were having multiple encounters with these things, and that
Speaker 1: to me was something that I found very difficult to believe.
Speaker 1: If you've seen them once, that's that's that's like winning
Speaker 1: the lottery. But to see them on a regular basis
Speaker 1: would would be tan amounts to have established a relationship
Speaker 1: with them. And I had kind of put that in
Speaker 1: the in the kind of hard to believe file, you know,
Speaker 1: as it is in bigfoot research, there tends to be
Speaker 1: two pretty distinct camps, and on one side you have
Speaker 1: the scientific biological flesh and blood camp, on the other extreme,
Speaker 1: you have the paranormal supernatural folks. Sometimes we refer to
Speaker 1: them sarcastically as the wu and and they can't be
Speaker 1: really any further apart. Now, I count myself amongst the former,
Speaker 1: that being flesh and blood biological creatures. And I've heard
Speaker 1: a lot of different things, certain anomalies that I would
Speaker 1: have to place in a little file off to this
Speaker 1: side in the paranormal supernatural category, simply because my go
Speaker 1: to when it comes to somebody saying that Bigfoot can
Speaker 1: create certain conditions, certain anomalies, is to say, all right,
Speaker 1: if you say Bigfoot could, say, I don't know, fly
Speaker 1: through the air and shoot flames at its butt, then okay,
Speaker 1: show me one other animal, a known species that can
Speaker 1: do that, and we've got a starting point. But if
Speaker 1: you can't, I'm not going to be able to really,
Speaker 1: you know, stomach that is something realistic. So I had
Speaker 1: placed a number of things in that category, you know.
Speaker 1: And but if we really look at the definition of paranormal,
Speaker 1: it literally means certain anomalies that have been experienced that
Speaker 1: cannot be explained by science today. And if we look
Speaker 1: at if we look at it through that lens, we
Speaker 1: have to say that there is a number of things
Speaker 1: that we put in that category fifty one hundred years
Speaker 1: ago that now have become common knowledge. So just because
Speaker 1: we don't have the scientific explanation for certain things doesn't
Speaker 1: mean they don't happen. And I say that by way
Speaker 1: of this story, I'm going to tell you one of
Speaker 1: the things I had put in that category is a
Speaker 1: phenomenon known as eyeshine. You've heard of that, I'm sure.
Speaker 1: Eyeshine from my understanding, was their ability to generate light
Speaker 1: from their eyes. And we're not talking reflection or bioluminescence
Speaker 1: for that matter, but somehow they're able to degenerate light
Speaker 1: and pitch blackness. And I you know, I did some
Speaker 1: research on it and I had come to the conclusion,
Speaker 1: you know, we see bioluminescence in nature, you know, again
Speaker 1: trying to apply it to what we do now. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of aquatic light life, especially deep sea life,
Speaker 1: that has it, and there's also photoplankton. And as I'm
Speaker 1: a certified scuba diver, I've actually swam through photoplankton that's
Speaker 1: on the surface of the ocean. And this is microscopic
Speaker 1: photoplankton that that will once when they're agitated, will actually
Speaker 1: glow give off some light. There are some reptiles coming,
Speaker 1: you know, bringing it to shore. We got there are
Speaker 1: some reptiles, plants, insects that can such as fireflies for instance,
Speaker 1: that can generate light, but I failed to find any
Speaker 1: examples in nature when it came to mammals, and so
Speaker 1: I kind of just said, well, then it's impossible, and
Speaker 1: I stuck it into that paranormal category. But they claimed
Speaker 1: and showed me several videos over the years of what
Speaker 1: they purported is eyeshine, and the victures really didn't give
Speaker 1: it justice. But there was something there that I, you know,
Speaker 1: I could barely make out. But the fact that they
Speaker 1: said that they had established a relationship with them and
Speaker 1: were able to bring them actually call them in got
Speaker 1: my attention. So one day I decided, what the hell
Speaker 1: I'm going to fly out there. They invited me to
Speaker 1: the reservation, and I got on a plane and went
Speaker 1: out there, and I spent a week on the reservation
Speaker 1: with these friends I had made on the reservation. We
Speaker 1: had been We spent the weekend I flew in Saturday.
Speaker 1: We got really to meet each other on Sunday, and uh,
Speaker 1: they seem pretty legit. And they said tomorrow, on Monday,
Speaker 1: We're going to go out in the forest and I'll
Speaker 1: show you what we're talking about. And so and again
Speaker 1: this was back when when COVID was a big thing,
Speaker 1: And so I point that out because one of the
Speaker 1: again one of the things I am very leary of,
Speaker 1: is being cranked, punked, hopesed, whatever you want to call it.
Speaker 1: And uh, you know, I'm always on guard for that.
Speaker 1: And so I'm thinking, you know, it's for them to
Speaker 1: pull us off. It would take you know, some other
Speaker 1: people participating, and and it didn't. That makes sense for
Speaker 1: me because the village, the main village for the Omaha
Speaker 1: tribe is a little town of called Maze, and they,
Speaker 1: because of COVID, they had locked down quarantined everybody in
Speaker 1: that on the reservation in that town. They were not
Speaker 1: allowed to leave after eight o'clock at night, and they
Speaker 1: weren't allowed to leave in the morning until you know,
Speaker 1: like daylight. So basically during day nighttime hours they were
Speaker 1: not allowed to leave. Now, the exception in our case
Speaker 1: was that the individual that I was friends with held
Speaker 1: a pretty high position on the council and so he
Speaker 1: had let's just say a little more clout when it
Speaker 1: came to leaving, and so they would allow us to
Speaker 1: leave the reserv to go I relieve the town, I
Speaker 1: should say, we were still on the reservation. So they
Speaker 1: took me out to an area and we never went
Speaker 1: out there until at least midnight. Okay, So we got
Speaker 1: out there on a Monday midnight. We drove to this
Speaker 1: location and it was very remote again in the Missouri
Speaker 1: River Valley, very heavy thick hardwoods, mostly oak, but some
Speaker 1: maple and a few pines scattered around, and parked the car.
Speaker 1: He said, get out, and no lights, keep all the
Speaker 1: lights off. Don't even turn on your cell phone. Just
Speaker 1: and it was so honestly, Daniel was so dark. I
Speaker 1: could not see the hand in front of my face.
Speaker 1: It was I mean, my friend was standing right next
Speaker 1: to me, and I could talk to him, but I
Speaker 1: couldn't even see him, you know, it was that dark.
Speaker 1: And so we walked carefully across the roadway and he
Speaker 1: stood at the edge of this road. Of course, there's
Speaker 1: no traffic going by. It's a two lane We're talking
Speaker 1: one lane each direction, and probably no more than about
Speaker 1: thirty feet wide. Walk to the edge of the roadway
Speaker 1: and we're looking off into complete darkness, and he cupped
Speaker 1: his hands to his mouth and he would call out.
Speaker 1: He would say, oh, Calgie. He would shout that out
Speaker 1: into the woods, into the darkness. I assumed it was woods.
Speaker 1: I couldn't rightly tell. And you know, he might do
Speaker 1: it again twenty thirty seconds later, and I'll be damned.
Speaker 1: I'm standing there looking at the pitch blackness, and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, I see what appears to be a
Speaker 1: set of eyes, and they are lighted. They are very bright,
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, dim lights. But I'm looking
Speaker 1: out there and where once it was just pitch black,
Speaker 1: now I'm seeing what appear to be eyes. And again
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, Okay, has he got some LEDs out there?
Speaker 1: He got a little fob in his pocket and he's
Speaker 1: turning these on. He's punking me. I don't know. But
Speaker 1: here's the problem, Daniel. These eyes they blinked, they moved,
Speaker 1: and not only the eyes moved, but the individual itself
Speaker 1: would move. It would move left, sometimes right, sometimes closer,
Speaker 1: sometimes farther away. And at one time I know we
Speaker 1: had at least three separate individuals, and they all moved
Speaker 1: independent and It wasn't just this these eyes or when
Speaker 1: I assumed their eyes, but there were vocalizations that went
Speaker 1: along with it, And I mean crazy ass vocalizations the
Speaker 1: likes of which I had never heard. And I had
Speaker 1: heard vocalizations on numerous occasions, both in person and recorded,
Speaker 1: but there was one I'll never forget, and it was
Speaker 1: what I assume was female. Now, I'm going to estimate
Speaker 1: that these individuals that we were seeing that the eyeshine
Speaker 1: from were and again it's very difficult to judge distance
Speaker 1: at night, but I would have guessed they were roughly
Speaker 1: about one hundred and fifty feet away from us. This
Speaker 1: vocalization came from much farther back, maybe one hundred yards
Speaker 1: back in the tree line. But it was very loud,
Speaker 1: very high pitched, and that's why I presumed it was female.
Speaker 1: But it was the weirdest thing I ever heard. It was.
Speaker 1: It was a song. That's all I can It's the
Speaker 1: only way I can describe. It wasn't very long, maybe
Speaker 1: five or six seconds long, but in that five or
Speaker 1: six seconds, I heard at least anywhere from five to
Speaker 1: seven or eight notes that changed that it had a
Speaker 1: rhythm to it, It changed in pitch volume, so like,
Speaker 1: for I don't know, five or six seconds, I hear
Speaker 1: what sounds like a song, like a melody, like a
Speaker 1: little chorus, if you will. And it wasn't scary at all.
Speaker 1: In fact, I thought it was quite beautiful. And about
Speaker 1: twenty seconds later she does it again. And here's where
Speaker 1: it gets very interesting, at least for me as a
Speaker 1: citizen scientist, is it was an exact replica of the
Speaker 1: previous chorus, if you will, we'll just call it a chorus.
Speaker 1: Note for note, same volume, same change and pitch, same everything,
Speaker 1: same length, five or six seconds long, a break, And
Speaker 1: over the course of about a minute, she did this
Speaker 1: four times, four times and eats, and every time it
Speaker 1: was the same song. Now we can talk about these
Speaker 1: things roaring, screaming, howling, whooping, whatever you want to talk about,
Speaker 1: any sort of arbitrary grunt, ground, bark, whatever. This was
Speaker 1: something different. This was something that had meaning. You don't
Speaker 1: repeat something over and over again, especially something that complex,
Speaker 1: over and over again. If there if there's not a
Speaker 1: message somehow involved in that language language, that's all I
Speaker 1: can I can. I can tell you because uh, and
Speaker 1: I'll tell you this three days later, on a Wednesday
Speaker 1: in broad daylight. She did it again exactly the same
Speaker 1: way she did it three nights before, and just did
Speaker 1: it once. But I said, I'm like, I know that's
Speaker 1: all and I know that voice, and holy you know,
Speaker 1: so that was amazing. So between the eyeshine and the vocalizations,
Speaker 1: and this went on again. I tell you, I don't
Speaker 1: I had a hard time wrapping my head around seeing
Speaker 1: these things on multiple occasions, and like the eyeshine, I
Speaker 1: kind of got my ass handed to me because I
Speaker 1: had to admit that, yes, they have established a relationship,
Speaker 1: they are having multiple encounters and oh yes, that eyeshine thing,
Speaker 1: that's real. This went on five nights in a row.
Speaker 1: We went out Monday to Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. I had
Speaker 1: to catch my plane back on Saturday, very reluctantly, I
Speaker 1: might add. And it happened in two locations. I know.
Speaker 1: On one occasion, Wednesday or Thursday, we had some activity
Speaker 1: going on and it wasn't quite as active as the
Speaker 1: other three nights that preceded it. So they said, there's
Speaker 1: another place. It's about four and a half five miles
Speaker 1: from here. I'll take you there. Sometimes we'd get activity,
Speaker 1: so we drove for like fifteen minutes through some very
Speaker 1: rough country and we got on this logging road and
Speaker 1: he said stop right here, and I was driving, so
Speaker 1: I remember just before we turned off the lights. This
Speaker 1: is kind of important, kind of funny, actually, I remember
Speaker 1: just before I shut off the lights. When I was
Speaker 1: on this it was like it was like a logging road,
Speaker 1: but it was very straight. I knew I could see
Speaker 1: as far as my head lights could shine forward before
Speaker 1: I shut them off, that the road was very level,
Speaker 1: very straight. So anyway, we shut off the lights there
Speaker 1: and again he's out there calling to them, Oh, ho,
Speaker 1: HOGI you go hole again. Hole, call ga me hello friends,
Speaker 1: and then giga hole means come closer, and sure enough,
Speaker 1: but then less than a minute we had eyeshine. The
Speaker 1: first the one I saw initially was directly down the road,
Speaker 1: or it appeared to be, because I was still standing
Speaker 1: by the car, and I knew this traction the car
Speaker 1: was facing, and it lined up with the road a
Speaker 1: road I can't see. Standing next to a car, I
Speaker 1: can't see, but I just knew it was either standing
Speaker 1: in the road or just beyond it, but it was
Speaker 1: in line with the road. Then we caught a second
Speaker 1: one starting to flank us. At about three o'clock they
Speaker 1: started calling out, there's another one and it's trying to
Speaker 1: circle behind us. Well, so this has been going on
Speaker 1: now for You've got to understand for like four nights
Speaker 1: in a row. And I'm not only getting kind of
Speaker 1: used to it, if that is possible, but you understand too.
Speaker 1: I'll ask you, would you ever walk away from an
Speaker 1: active encounter? Oh?
Speaker 2: No, I wouldn't want to be there to observe and
Speaker 2: listen and gather as much.
Speaker 1: If you would think, you would think if anything was
Speaker 1: going to break contact, it would be them, But no,
Speaker 1: that didn't happen. In fact, every night, you know, we
Speaker 1: were out to sometimes two in the morning and starting
Speaker 1: at midnight, and these things were there the whole time.
Speaker 1: Can you imagine how hard it was for me when
Speaker 1: they said, well, we got to go, it's getting late,
Speaker 1: we need to get some rest. We'll come back tomorrow night.
Speaker 1: And I'm looking out there and they're there, and they're
Speaker 1: looking at me. I'm looking at them, looking at me,
Speaker 1: looking at them, and I'm like, you're leaving. You're serious,
Speaker 1: We're walking away from this, And they're like, oh, they'll
Speaker 1: be back to we'll come back tomorrow, They'll be And
Speaker 1: it was true, but it was the hardest thing I
Speaker 1: had to do. I mean, for me, if I knew
Speaker 1: it would have gone that way, I would have brought
Speaker 1: a sleeping bag and maybe a lounge chair and I
Speaker 1: would have spent the night till the sun came up.
Speaker 1: But it was always my choice. So anyway, let's fast
Speaker 1: forward to Thursday. We're at a second location. I spot
Speaker 1: this one down the road, we see another one trying
Speaker 1: to circle around us. I realize I got maybe one
Speaker 1: more night, and I'm flying back home and I'm It's
Speaker 1: been like the most amazing exchange I've ever had with
Speaker 1: these creatures. And I'm like, I don't want to leave.
Speaker 1: I don't want to leave, And so I did something
Speaker 1: kind of crazy. I I turned to my friend. I said,
Speaker 1: I said, hey, you've been doing this for like what
Speaker 1: three years now? And they said yeah, And I said,
Speaker 1: so you've I mean, you've established obviously established a relationship
Speaker 1: with these creatures. I said, you would think in three
Speaker 1: years if they ever wanted to harm you at all,
Speaker 1: they certainly would have done it by now, don't you
Speaker 1: think And he goes, well, yeah, I suppose and then
Speaker 1: I said, have you ever thought about I don't know,
Speaker 1: like just walking up to them and I couldn't see
Speaker 1: an expression, but I could damn here feel it in
Speaker 1: the darkness. Uh. And he just said pretty much hell no,
Speaker 1: at which point I said, hold my beer, like what
Speaker 1: I go do not? I said, whatever you do, do
Speaker 1: not follow me. I'll be back, I hope. Right. So
Speaker 1: I literally I don't I know what I was thinking,
Speaker 1: but in hindsight it still kind of blows my mind.
Speaker 1: But I walked down the road that I couldn't see,
Speaker 1: but I knew that individual that had been there that
Speaker 1: whole time is staring at us from in line with
Speaker 1: the road. Now this thing was probably one hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty feet away, would be my guess. And I just
Speaker 1: started walking. Now this is like October November, late October
Speaker 1: time frame, and the leaves are all down, and every
Speaker 1: step I take, I'm hearing the leaves crunching under my feet,
Speaker 1: and I can feel I'm on the road, because if
Speaker 1: I stepped off the road, I would have felt it,
Speaker 1: you know. But I know I'm on this hardball and
Speaker 1: I'm going down the road, and I'm just fixated on
Speaker 1: this set of eyes and I'm closing the gap. I'm
Speaker 1: like starting one hundred and fifty feet away. Now I'm
Speaker 1: one hundred feet away, and now I'm fifty feet away,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, you know, who's gonna blink first? Literally,
Speaker 1: you know? And I started I was kind of I
Speaker 1: don't know, in the back of my head, we were
Speaker 1: playing a little game of chicken. I thought that, you know,
Speaker 1: it's got to move, you know, something's going to happen.
Speaker 1: And so now I'm down to forty feet. Now I'm
Speaker 1: down to thirty five feet, and I'm it's right there,
Speaker 1: you know. And I thought about something that doctor Henry
Speaker 1: Fahrenbach had told me about. He was a primatologist and
Speaker 1: worked with gorillas and other primates in the past. And
Speaker 1: he said, because we had discussed this scenario, had what
Speaker 1: would you do if you were actually in the immediate
Speaker 1: vicinity of one? And I remember telling me, well, when
Speaker 1: we dealt with gorillas in Africa, if they came toward us,
Speaker 1: or if we got within a certain range, we would
Speaker 1: simply sit down, just squat down and sit on the ground,
Speaker 1: avoid making avoid making eye contact, act completely uninterested that
Speaker 1: they were there. And a lot of times that would
Speaker 1: get them to actually called down enough to relax enough
Speaker 1: that they would they may sit down with you, or
Speaker 1: they might actually approach you. So this was my brilliant plan.
Speaker 1: I'm now over one hundred feet from the vehicle, and
Speaker 1: I'm down to like thirty five feet, and I decided,
Speaker 1: if I got within about it, you know, another ten feet,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna sit down and I'm going to let
Speaker 1: it make the next move. And that was my plan.
Speaker 1: I got about thirty feet I estimated from this individual
Speaker 1: when it stood up, and I wasn't sure that it
Speaker 1: was crouched down or not, but it was pretty obvious
Speaker 1: when I got to about thirty feet because these set
Speaker 1: of eyes came off from the ground and were considerably
Speaker 1: taller than me. Stood there for just a of course,
Speaker 1: I stopped at that moment, and it stood there looking
Speaker 1: at me for a second, and then it just I
Speaker 1: saw it turned to the to my right, it's left,
Speaker 1: and just walk off very quietly too, which was really weird.
Speaker 1: Didn't make a whole lot of sound, but it went
Speaker 1: from two eyes to one eye. When it turned it said,
Speaker 1: you know, away from me, and then I just watched it,
Speaker 1: well watched it. I heard it you know, walk off.
Speaker 1: But I saw it turned to my right and just
Speaker 1: disappear into the forest, and I was like, thank you.
Speaker 1: I was I really didn't know, you know, how that
Speaker 1: movie is going to end, but that's how it got.
Speaker 1: And then I turned around to look back where the
Speaker 1: car is, and of course I have no point of
Speaker 1: reference because it's pitch black where I just came from.
Speaker 1: The whole time I walked that line toward this creature,
Speaker 1: I knew I was on the road, and when it left,
Speaker 1: I'm like, what do you? I just like do a
Speaker 1: one hundred and eighty return and try to stay on
Speaker 1: track and hope I don't go off the road on
Speaker 1: my way back to the car. I think I got
Speaker 1: a I stepped off the road a few times heading back,
Speaker 1: and then I finally called out to him and they
Speaker 1: kind of talked me back to the car. But that
Speaker 1: was a very, very amazing situation that came of all that.
Speaker 1: But the bottom line is this, I got on that
Speaker 1: plane on Saturday, and a whole way back home, I'm thinking,
Speaker 1: all right, smart ass, you got to take that whole
Speaker 1: eyeshine thing right out of the the Paranormal file and
Speaker 1: bring it on over to your scientific biological flesh and
Speaker 1: blood file and figure it out. Because you saw it,
Speaker 1: you can't unsee it. And and I did. I did.
Speaker 1: It took me a little bit, but it was interesting.
Speaker 1: I was watching a TV show I think it was,
Speaker 1: I want to say it was Discovery Channel. It was
Speaker 1: called Earth at Night. I'm sure you could if your
Speaker 1: audience could look it up. But Earth at Night was
Speaker 1: a three part series where a camera crew went all
Speaker 1: around the world filming nocturnal creatures in the dark at
Speaker 1: night in such a way that they did not they
Speaker 1: were unaware that they were being filmed. And they had, dude,
Speaker 1: they had camera equipment that you and I would could
Speaker 1: never afford, because the pictures they got were just absolutely amazing.
Speaker 1: But in the first, the first part, let's say it
Speaker 1: was a three part series, and the first part, there
Speaker 1: was a they were in Argentina and they were filming
Speaker 1: a mother puma similar to our cougars, and she was
Speaker 1: leading four of her early large cats kittens out into
Speaker 1: the field and teaching them to hunt in pitch black dark.
Speaker 1: What struck me was when they were filming this, the
Speaker 1: eyes glowed so brightly, and supposedly they weren't using infrared,
Speaker 1: any sort of infrared beam that was reflecting off of
Speaker 1: the retina, like we see with deers, dogs, even humans,
Speaker 1: depending on the circumstances. And I was like, wow, of
Speaker 1: all the animals they shown that the eye, the return
Speaker 1: eye glow on this this mother puma was so bright
Speaker 1: it almost washed out the entire head of the cat.
Speaker 1: I mean it was like the whole head was glowing
Speaker 1: almost And the narrator would go on to say that,
Speaker 1: and they had traveled six different continents to do this filming.
Speaker 1: They said, of all the animals we have seen, the
Speaker 1: puma is one of only a handful that we have
Speaker 1: discovered that we can actually spot in pitch black of
Speaker 1: night with our naked eye. And I went, bingo, there's
Speaker 1: my animal. There's that one. I was looking the one
Speaker 1: that I needed, one animal that we know of that
Speaker 1: was a mammal that could do what people claim these
Speaker 1: things could do, and what I had actually witnessed, and
Speaker 1: there it was. And what I would come to find
Speaker 1: out was that this was a product of reflection refraction.
Speaker 1: I didn't go far enough down the rabbit hole because
Speaker 1: again in my limited thinking, I'm thinking, there, where's the light,
Speaker 1: there's got to be a secondary source of light in
Speaker 1: order for that reflection refraction to happen. But what I
Speaker 1: didn't think about is the fact that we as humans
Speaker 1: are very limited in our night vision and what we
Speaker 1: can see and decipher as light versus other animals, especially
Speaker 1: nocturnal animals. They obviously, like cats for instance, you know,
Speaker 1: like the puma, they see in the dark very clearly
Speaker 1: where we cannot. So how do they do it? Well,
Speaker 1: It's a process involving the tapitum les seda, the tapitum lycidum,
Speaker 1: which is a crystalline layer that's unique to nocturnal animals.
Speaker 1: It's a crystalline layer that sits between the retina and
Speaker 1: the optic nerve, and as light enters the eyeball, because
Speaker 1: it is a crystalline shape, it doesn't like reflect like
Speaker 1: straight back like a mirrewood. It's it's of course, the
Speaker 1: eyeball itself is concave, and when the light hits it,
Speaker 1: it bounces in every direction within the eyeball, and that
Speaker 1: process amplifies the light not only for them into the
Speaker 1: into what their eye is receiving and seeing in the dark,
Speaker 1: but it does it in certain cases such as the
Speaker 1: puma it amplifies it enough that the human with the
Speaker 1: naked eye, with no special cameras of any sort, no scopes,
Speaker 1: no infrared, no, no thermal, can actually see it. And
Speaker 1: now we take that and I puma has probably got
Speaker 1: an eye fairly close to that size of a human,
Speaker 1: maybe three quarters of an inch possibly an inch at
Speaker 1: vest in circumference a diameter. And if we extrapolate that
Speaker 1: to our subject to be in Bigfoot, we're looking at
Speaker 1: eyes probably about the size of a tangerine. So follow me.
Speaker 1: The bigger the eye, the larger the pupil or iris
Speaker 1: the shutter, if you will, the more light it can
Speaker 1: take in. And you have a much bigger projection screen
Speaker 1: on that retina at the back of that eyeball that
Speaker 1: if you're looking directly through that pupil, what it's doing
Speaker 1: is it's taking in light that we cannot see because
Speaker 1: of our own human limitations, and it's amplifying it to
Speaker 1: a point where we can again through that process using
Speaker 1: the TapIt of liceidum. And so I've checked the book,
Speaker 1: and I go, Okay, I can don't say that if
Speaker 1: anybody tells me eyeshine is BS and that it has
Speaker 1: to do with paranormal I can say something excuse me,
Speaker 1: but you know I can tell you otherwise. But that
Speaker 1: led me, Daniel down a road that caused me to
Speaker 1: ask questions about other things that I had put in
Speaker 1: that folder, that paranormal folder. It got me to think
Speaker 1: and you know, you know, had I heard things like
Speaker 1: we can talk about things other than eyeshine. We can
Speaker 1: talk about things like, oh, the fact that we can't
Speaker 1: get clear pictures of them. All we get is murray photos.
Speaker 1: The fact that they they people say that that they
Speaker 1: can change dimensions or go through portholes, and and because
Speaker 1: at one minute they can, there's nothing there and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden they're there and the next minute they're gone.
Speaker 1: Uh so obviously they're they've got these special powers. We
Speaker 1: can talk things about something you had brought up earlier
Speaker 1: about seeing some bright lights in the middle of the forest.
Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, back in May in Virginia. And that's not
Speaker 2: the first time I'm seeing weird lights in Virginia. Uh No,
Speaker 2: not in the first time in Virginia, but first time
Speaker 2: I'm seeing life period. First was like a year and
Speaker 2: a half, almost two years ago up in Pennsylvania. People
Speaker 2: when I described the people that say, oh, there was
Speaker 2: the orbs, but these weren't moving. You were stationary. Not
Speaker 2: one of these ever moved. H you know, except for
Speaker 2: the first set of life ever. So I looked like
Speaker 2: flashing little stars, but I've seen four based out looking
Speaker 2: blue brown balls slightly dimmed. And then in Virginia we
Speaker 2: saw what looked like a round white ball of light
Speaker 2: that didn't project anything, It did not illuminate nothing around it.
Speaker 2: It was just very strange. And then our thermals didn't
Speaker 2: pick nothing up. As soon as after it went out,
Speaker 2: we immediately picked up our thermals to see if there
Speaker 2: was somebody there, and we it was just interesting. We
Speaker 2: didn't see nothing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know. And and so let me let me
Speaker 1: explain real quick, what if I could tell you that
Speaker 1: I can explain, because this is some of the research
Speaker 1: I've done as of late, that I can explain things
Speaker 1: such as what they call orbs, what you experienced. I
Speaker 1: can explain this, how they possibly appear and disappear or
Speaker 1: appear to do that, how cameras have difficulty focusing on them.
Speaker 1: If and I can we can even go so far
Speaker 1: as to discuss people what they call being zapped, for instance,
Speaker 1: where people feel like they are losing control or a
Speaker 1: very powerful panic sort of reaction to something that doesn't
Speaker 1: even make sense, because there's nothing that they can say, well,
Speaker 1: this is what made me panic, but for some known reason,
Speaker 1: I'm panicking whatever to the point of even paralysis. I
Speaker 1: can almost even I'm working on trying to explain even
Speaker 1: what people talk about is mind speak. I think there's
Speaker 1: an explanation for all of this scientifically, and a lot
Speaker 1: of it is related to the same cause. And but
Speaker 1: let's take your let's take your orb situation. Okay, are
Speaker 1: you familiar with infrasound?
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, infrasound ultrasound, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Now, infrasound specifically is sound that is below human normal
Speaker 1: human range of hearing, and then it sound below twenty hurts.
Speaker 1: And again we discussed our dogs can hear down to
Speaker 1: fifteen herds and which is below our hearing, and they
Speaker 1: can hear well above our human range as well. And
Speaker 1: different only different animals, you would agree, different animals have
Speaker 1: different ranges of hearing. Correct, Okay, So that doesn't mean
Speaker 1: the sound is not there, it's just we we get
Speaker 1: to the point it gets to the to the frequency
Speaker 1: and when we talk lower frequencies. We're talking going from
Speaker 1: say travel to base. Okay, when we get to down
Speaker 1: to twenty herds, it's extremely low base sounds. Now, the
Speaker 1: lower the frequency or the more you could say base
Speaker 1: is applied, whether you can hear it or not, the
Speaker 1: more powerful it is. We're talking sonic shock waves, and
Speaker 1: these sonic shock waves are very powerful. There. They are
Speaker 1: energy and they do have effect on humans. And I'll
Speaker 1: explain we know again, like I spoke, I have to
Speaker 1: have an example in nature of known animals that are
Speaker 1: capable of producing infra sound. And in my research it's
Speaker 1: pretty easy to find out that we know whales do it.
Speaker 1: For instance, they can communicate literally for hundreds of miles
Speaker 1: because liquid, keep in mind, this will come back. Liquid
Speaker 1: is the perfect medium for the conduction of sound waves.
Speaker 1: It's like dropping a pedal in a mere smooth pond.
Speaker 1: You can watch those shockwaves. They will not stop till
Speaker 1: they hit the shore, and then even when they hit
Speaker 1: the shore, they will reflect back toward the source. It's
Speaker 1: the same with sound. Okay, the lower the sound, the
Speaker 1: more powerful it is, and the more it affects it. Okay,
Speaker 1: you can't hear it, but you can feel it whales.
Speaker 1: Now you have to assume that any animal that can
Speaker 1: produce it can hear it. That only makes sense. So imagine,
Speaker 1: if you will. Whales use it for communicating with other
Speaker 1: pods of whales, and it helps them guide themselves to
Speaker 1: each other for mating purposes. Elephants use it. Elephants can
Speaker 1: generate infrasound through their feet. Now, keep in mind, these
Speaker 1: feet are like giant If you look at the bottom
Speaker 1: of an elephant's foot, it's like a big drum almost right. Well,
Speaker 1: you've these They generated through their legs into the ground
Speaker 1: with such force that it can be picked up over
Speaker 1: four miles away through the ground, right, and other elephants
Speaker 1: will be able to pick it up through their feet,
Speaker 1: and they use it to communicate the need for the
Speaker 1: herd to come back together, which they do on a
Speaker 1: daily basis. Alligators use infrasound and they use it for
Speaker 1: mating the the people you may have I don't know
Speaker 1: if you, but I've been told that alligators in a pond,
Speaker 1: completely submerged in a pond, can make the surface of
Speaker 1: the pawn ripple because they're generating in for sound. What's
Speaker 1: really interesting is tigers, because tigers can do it. It's
Speaker 1: like the ultimate per if you will, except it's lower
Speaker 1: than again, lower than what we can here. But they
Speaker 1: can generate this extremely low base note that goes out
Speaker 1: in a certain frequency, and they use it for hunting.
Speaker 1: They'll use it to stun prey. One of the things
Speaker 1: that it's somewhat of insidious about lower frequencies. High frequencies
Speaker 1: are very easy to detect the source where that sound's
Speaker 1: coming from, but low frequencies are impossible to detect. That's
Speaker 1: why when you buy us around sound system for your TV,
Speaker 1: you get five or six you know, you get these
Speaker 1: tweeters and mid range speakers, and they only give you
Speaker 1: one sububs. That's all you need. And no matter where
Speaker 1: you put it in the room, if you can't see it,
Speaker 1: you could not. Nobody can tell you where it's at,
Speaker 1: where it's coming from. Well, the tiger uses it that way.
Speaker 1: They will get up on a herd of antelope. They'll
Speaker 1: generate this sound. The antelope will pick up not audibly,
Speaker 1: they're not hearing it, they're literally feeling it. They know
Speaker 1: that danger is close, something is wrong, something's going to happen,
Speaker 1: but they can't figure out where's coming from. Now if
Speaker 1: I went out there and shot a gun, they're going
Speaker 1: to take off in the opposite direction, or honk a
Speaker 1: horn or whatever. Because I'm doing it at a frequency
Speaker 1: they can hear it. Oh it's over there, we're going
Speaker 1: this way. But with the infra sound, they don't know
Speaker 1: where it's coming from, and so it stuns them. It
Speaker 1: causes them to hesitate and stay in one spot because
Speaker 1: they they know something bad is about to happen, but
Speaker 1: they don't know what. They don't want to run into it.
Speaker 1: And in that hesitation, a tiger can get up close
Speaker 1: and take one down, or they know what's going on
Speaker 1: and they only need the one. So there you go.
Speaker 1: So there's our examples of animals that use it. And
Speaker 1: interestingly enough, they're all large mammals. Did you notice that
Speaker 1: even whales are mammals, But they're all large mammals that
Speaker 1: are generating this. Now, imagine we said, and go back
Speaker 1: to the fluid being the best conductor of sonic waves.
Speaker 1: I'm going to jump just a moment to something I
Speaker 1: talk about in terms of them seeming to appear and
Speaker 1: disappear around Moore and around Morehead, and I go around
Speaker 1: about this because when he started getting into quantum physics,
Speaker 1: he recognized appreciated the concept of vibrational frequencies. But where
Speaker 1: we depart is when he says they disappear when people
Speaker 1: are looking at them. He's suggesting that that disappearing act
Speaker 1: is happening on the animals end intern In other words,
Speaker 1: the animal is actually changing frequency and somehow shifting into
Speaker 1: a different realm. I guess I disagree. I think the
Speaker 1: action that is really taking place is not on that end,
Speaker 1: but on your end. In other words, when you're looking
Speaker 1: at something and it go and your visual acuity is disrupted,
Speaker 1: how well by being your eyeball, Your liquid filled eyeball
Speaker 1: is being bombarded by these shock, these vibrational waves, and
Speaker 1: it's causing your eyeball to lose focus, to lose acuity.
Speaker 1: And they know that they've done it with, you know,
Speaker 1: like the tiger, and I'm sure they've practiced it on
Speaker 1: other deer and other animals that they predate on. They
Speaker 1: know that they can do it to the animals. They
Speaker 1: know they can do it to us, So if you
Speaker 1: get too close to them, they can. It's the ultimate camouflage.
Speaker 1: But it's not camouflage on their part. It's how they're
Speaker 1: affecting you physically, how they're affecting your eye. And for example,
Speaker 1: you know, infrasound was not studied for a long long
Speaker 1: time because it was below human hearing. It wasn't practical,
Speaker 1: it wasn't there was no money in it. You know,
Speaker 1: why study sound you can't hear? You know, it's like
Speaker 1: would you buy silent music? You know, I can make
Speaker 1: a whole album of music in infrasound, and who's going
Speaker 1: to buy it? Nobody can hear it? Right, So nobody
Speaker 1: herely got into it. But when they finally started measuring
Speaker 1: infrasound and the effects that infrasound have on people, they
Speaker 1: found that even in nature, certainly these animals can make
Speaker 1: it happen, but also things like earthquakes, thunderstorms, they all
Speaker 1: create infrasound. Humans can create infrasound. And by example, in
Speaker 1: the late nineteen fifties, when we were put in astronauts
Speaker 1: and tiny little capsules and strapping them to international continental
Speaker 1: ballistic missiles and shooting them into space, they had one job,
Speaker 1: and that was to read the gauges on the dash
Speaker 1: in the capsule and report it back to Houston. And
Speaker 1: what they found out that during the launch sequence, during
Speaker 1: the during the period that they were accelerating into space,
Speaker 1: they could not read the gauges and they would radio
Speaker 1: back they say, like, what's the oxygen level, what's the pressure,
Speaker 1: what's the speed, what's this giving? We need these these
Speaker 1: this data from these analog dials, and they said, we
Speaker 1: can't read them. It was only after they found out
Speaker 1: about infrasound and then reapplied it retroactively to that that
Speaker 1: situation that they found that the rocket engines themselves were
Speaker 1: generating infrasound. And I say this only because a couple
Speaker 1: of things had to change. They had to change the
Speaker 1: way the rockets worked, they had to change the way
Speaker 1: the capsules were insulated against acoustic sounds, the uniform itself,
Speaker 1: and that's when they switched from analog dials and gages
Speaker 1: to digital. It was a lot easier to read under
Speaker 1: those circumstances. And anyway, so we know that infrasound can
Speaker 1: affect the human eye. The acuity, especially the lower it is,
Speaker 1: the more it vibrates the eye and the more it
Speaker 1: vibrates that liquid in your eye, and it makes it
Speaker 1: difficult to see getting to the orb situation. You know,
Speaker 1: once I kind of said, okay, I can check the block.
Speaker 1: That's how they appear disappeared possibly, And it's again, it's
Speaker 1: not happening on their end. It's what they're doing to you.
Speaker 1: It's not so I can say to people, I believe
Speaker 1: that you had this experience, that you that this happened
Speaker 1: to you. My argument is with your interpretation, let me
Speaker 1: tell you scientifically how that could have happened under certain circumstances. Right.
Speaker 1: So the ORB thing, I thought, oh, oh, this is
Speaker 1: going to be fun. I'll never get this one soul.
Speaker 1: So I got in and found out, and I have
Speaker 1: references to all this and I'd be happy to share
Speaker 1: it with you. I basically, and I didn't use any
Speaker 1: AI and I wasn't around at the time, but I did.
Speaker 1: I did use Google quite a bit, and I got
Speaker 1: in and you can do this just as well. It
Speaker 1: is typed in can infrasound affect human vision and how?
Speaker 1: And of course I came up finding out that these
Speaker 1: frequencies can mess up your eyes sight, and then I went, okay,
Speaker 1: can can infrasound caused people to see colored lights? And
Speaker 1: I would encourage you, Daniel, to do that as soon
Speaker 1: as we get done with his interview. But the answer
Speaker 1: came back yes, and I'm like, no way, And so
Speaker 1: I started digging, digging, digging, I found that I want
Speaker 1: to stay back in the late eighties early nineties, there
Speaker 1: was a factory where people had been working in for
Speaker 1: quite some time and without any sort of issues. And
Speaker 1: as factories do, they as they grow and modernize, they
Speaker 1: are constantly swapping out different types of machinery, things that
Speaker 1: can do things faster or with better quality, you know,
Speaker 1: or more volume. And so it was that, you know,
Speaker 1: periodically they would remove a machine and bring in something
Speaker 1: that was a little more technologically advanced. And one day
Speaker 1: people started that had been in the factory for some
Speaker 1: time started complaining about feeling very odd, feeling very uncomfortable,
Speaker 1: feeling somewhat nauseous, and also mentioned the fact that they
Speaker 1: were having visions of things that were borderline hallucinations, but
Speaker 1: they were Some people attributed it to God. It was
Speaker 1: all Most of it was in their peripheral vision, mind you,
Speaker 1: but they were seeing movement and colors and lights in
Speaker 1: their peripheral vision. And some even discussed and it's you know,
Speaker 1: it's this was written back in the nineties. Some discussed
Speaker 1: that they were seeing colored balls of light, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: no way. But sure enough, when they brought in, when
Speaker 1: they brought in equipment and did some testing, they said,
Speaker 1: this new machine that you installed is the source. And
Speaker 1: what it's doing is it's creating infrasound and it's messing
Speaker 1: with your employee's eyesight. And sure enough, as soon as
Speaker 1: they switched that particular machine off, all of those colored
Speaker 1: balls of lights went away. Now, if Bigfoot is able
Speaker 1: to do that like other animals do in the wild,
Speaker 1: it's it's basically putting pressure on your on your on
Speaker 1: your eyeball and that oqueous humor, that liquid inside your
Speaker 1: eyeball is being affected by it, and it can cause
Speaker 1: you to see different colors of light that you in
Speaker 1: the middle and in the case of Bigfoot, in the
Speaker 1: middle of the woods, it's been proven.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is seriously interesting.
Speaker 1: For sure, animals can produce infrasound, right, and infrasound can
Speaker 1: produce distorted vision, including colored balls of light, and Bigfoot
Speaker 1: produces in for sound, then that particular anomaly could very well.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's for certain, but I said it
Speaker 1: would go a long ways to explain scientifically how Bigfoot
Speaker 1: can possibly be causing these sort of visual anomalies by
Speaker 1: use of the infracent Yeah.
Speaker 2: Again, that's very interesting because, like I said, this is
Speaker 2: the latest light that we saw. David was you know,
Speaker 2: maybe five between five and ten feet up ahead of me.
Speaker 2: He was the first one to notice it and got
Speaker 2: my attention. When I came over to look at what
Speaker 2: he was looking at. Boom, I saw it too. I
Speaker 2: was right at it, and it just after a few
Speaker 2: short seconds it just went away, looking dead on at it,
Speaker 2: which was again, it was interesting, and I for one
Speaker 2: would never thought I would see anything like that, especially
Speaker 2: in Virginia, because I mean I've been out in the
Speaker 2: woods for years and never, not once, have I ever
Speaker 2: seen any kind of strange lights in the woods up
Speaker 2: to that moment, you know, yeah, up in Pennsylvania a
Speaker 2: couple of years ago. Prior to that, I've seen some
Speaker 2: weird things, but that I can't explain.
Speaker 1: But well i'll and I'll tell you I haven't. I
Speaker 1: have yet to experience it, but I've heard enough of
Speaker 1: it to believe it's not just some couple of people
Speaker 1: some anecnotal stories. Because when you heard a hundred times.
Speaker 1: There has to be some truth in every story. So again,
Speaker 1: it's not it's not that they didn't experience it or
Speaker 1: that you didn't experience it. It's just how you interpreted it,
Speaker 1: how you came to understand how that could happen. In
Speaker 1: your case, maybe you didn't understand it, but you did
Speaker 1: experience it. I just talked to a lady this week
Speaker 1: who was up in the Olympic, the Olympic National Park
Speaker 1: in Washington, and she told me a story where her
Speaker 1: and her husband were at a hot springs in the
Speaker 1: park and stayed a little too late and had to
Speaker 1: hike out at night, and that they were being followed
Speaker 1: by more than one of these creatures, and they had
Speaker 1: no flashlight whatsoever, and their car was nearly three miles away.
Speaker 1: And they said, the entire time these things followed them,
Speaker 1: there was what appeared to be a ball of light
Speaker 1: ahead of them in the trail, and they were able
Speaker 1: to follow that all the way to their vehicle. They said,
Speaker 1: without that light, they probably would not have gotten out
Speaker 1: of there that night. And they said as soon as
Speaker 1: they got to their vehicle, it stopped. So I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know, Daniel, but I'm just telling you. I'm
Speaker 1: I'm looking into this stuff from a scientific aspect and
Speaker 1: trying to make sense of it. I can, we could.
Speaker 1: We don't have enough time, I'm sure, but I could.
Speaker 1: I can get into into what I believe is behind
Speaker 1: people being zapped. I can tell you why most cameras
Speaker 1: failed to get clear pictures. Same of ahnomenaly, same sort
Speaker 1: of in for sound effect, but infrasound can do a
Speaker 1: hell of a lot of things up to and again.
Speaker 1: I can prove this in for sound amplified. Again, you
Speaker 1: can't hear it, you think, well, if I can't hear it,
Speaker 1: if they turn up I can hear it. No, I'm
Speaker 1: talking inversound. Most of the things we're dealing with are
Speaker 1: probably on a scale one to ten, in the three
Speaker 1: to five volume level, if you will. If turned up
Speaker 1: to tan, it could kill you, and I have evidence
Speaker 1: of that too. It can cause your lungs to collapse.
Speaker 1: Thankfully we don't. We haven't ran into that, at least
Speaker 1: that we know of. But there's a lot of a
Speaker 1: lot of things. There's a lot of things out there.
Speaker 1: Tell you what. I'm speaking at four more conferences this year,
Speaker 1: and uh, I'll be I'll be continuing my research. It
Speaker 1: seems that every time I speak, I've I've got new information.
Speaker 1: And I'm trying. Man, I'm trying. I'm trying to do things.
Speaker 1: I've been doing this thirty two years, and it's I've
Speaker 1: got to a point where it's like, Okay, I'm retired.
Speaker 1: I got I really got to pour myself into this.
Speaker 1: I'm coming up with some answers, or at least some
Speaker 1: some very plausible answers as some of the questions of
Speaker 1: the what we've ran into and why it's so difficult
Speaker 1: to find them, Why it's difficult to to you know,
Speaker 1: get one in captivity. I think I can explain that,
Speaker 1: and I can explain why they One of my latest
Speaker 1: things is actually the attitude in the in the persona
Speaker 1: that behind staying away from modern society. That that and
Speaker 1: how they got there. And so anyway, have me at
Speaker 1: one of your conferences next year and I'll blow blow
Speaker 1: your minds away because by then I'll probably twice as
Speaker 1: much information. But anyway, it's, uh, it's a fascinating subject.
Speaker 1: And the more the more I get into it, the
Speaker 1: more I realize the less I know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be great. I mean We're definitely be
Speaker 2: in communication and uh, you know, I'll touch face with
Speaker 2: you on a few things and uh, but this has
Speaker 2: been great information. This seriously has been great information, and
Speaker 2: I hope the listeners take a lot of this and
Speaker 2: into consideration, and if they have any questions, Uh, there'll
Speaker 2: be linked to the description where they can find you
Speaker 2: and contact you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll give you a chance of shameless plug here,
Speaker 1: I think if you do want to get a hold
Speaker 1: of me, my email is American Primate at AOL dot com.
Speaker 1: That's the word American and then with an N followed
Speaker 1: by the word primate p R I M A T
Speaker 1: E at a O L dot com. I have a
Speaker 1: website which is an American Primate dot O R T.
Speaker 1: So feel free to reach out to me. If you
Speaker 1: have any questions, I'll be more than happy to try
Speaker 1: to answer them, and if I can't, I'll dig into
Speaker 1: it and see what I can do. But no, it's
Speaker 1: been great talking with you again, Daniel. It's been a
Speaker 1: while and I'm looking forward to seeing you again in
Speaker 1: person soon.
Speaker 2: Excellent, excellent, Yeah, I appreciate everything, Todd. I want to
Speaker 2: appreciate your time being on here and again I'll be
Speaker 2: in touch with you soon.
Speaker 1: Thank you again, Thank you for having me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll definitely have to have you on it back
Speaker 2: again for some more conversations. There's a lot I think
Speaker 2: we could cover and go over.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'll look forward to it. You take care.
Speaker 2: Excellent