WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.240 --> 00:00:05.120 Wait is this Kesha? Who's this singing? I know it's Pitbull, 2 00:00:05.160 --> 00:00:05.919 but who's singing? 3 00:00:06.040 --> 00:00:07.879 You know? All right? 4 00:00:07.919 --> 00:00:10.919 Because I Shaquira's fine. I just I can't do the 5 00:00:10.960 --> 00:00:13.599 Kesha thing. If I'm going to allow Pitbull on the show, 6 00:00:13.640 --> 00:00:16.000 I can't compound it with pit Bull and Kesha. 7 00:00:16.039 --> 00:00:18.079 But we'll we'll allow, Shakira, will allow today? 8 00:00:18.120 --> 00:00:21.199 How do you feel about going limp biscuit pit Bull 9 00:00:21.280 --> 00:00:22.640 Shakira back to back. 10 00:00:22.719 --> 00:00:23.160 That's rough. 11 00:00:23.239 --> 00:00:26.079 That is counter to the brand of this radio program. 12 00:00:26.079 --> 00:00:28.440 But you know what, I'm one for a bit. I'm 13 00:00:28.440 --> 00:00:30.800 one to motivate our guests, and our next guest is 14 00:00:30.800 --> 00:00:31.800 motivated by Pitbull. 15 00:00:31.839 --> 00:00:33.960 Hello, Zach Harper, Happy Wednesday. 16 00:00:34.439 --> 00:00:37.320 Hold on a second, Happy Wednesday. Do what's wrong with Kesha? 17 00:00:37.479 --> 00:00:38.399 She sucks. 18 00:00:39.759 --> 00:00:42.399 Good enough for Darryl Morrid like every one of her posts. 19 00:00:42.479 --> 00:00:45.200 Yeah, build a chance, build a decent NBA team, and 20 00:00:45.240 --> 00:00:47.520 I'll respect your musical taste like whatever. 21 00:00:47.600 --> 00:00:48.200 Daryl Morey. 22 00:00:48.960 --> 00:00:52.119 Hey, if it wasn't for all of those things that 23 00:00:52.159 --> 00:00:55.759 are definitely not his fault, they would be multiple time champion. 24 00:00:55.920 --> 00:00:59.079 I know, I know, so I'm old enough to remember 25 00:00:59.079 --> 00:01:01.200 when you were good at your job, you could keep it. Uh, 26 00:01:01.679 --> 00:01:04.480 Michael Malone. Yeah out in Denver. What's what's going on? 27 00:01:04.640 --> 00:01:09.439 Zack? Oh? Man? I think what I think? I think? 28 00:01:09.519 --> 00:01:15.599 Yesterday morning, Uh, someone reminded Stan Kronk that he owns 29 00:01:15.959 --> 00:01:18.359 the Denver Nugget and he was like, yeah, make whatever 30 00:01:18.439 --> 00:01:20.439 changes he want. I don't care. I don't know, man. 31 00:01:20.480 --> 00:01:25.200 I It's like I I think, you know, it wasn't 32 00:01:25.280 --> 00:01:28.480 great going into this year, but not like this. Like 33 00:01:28.760 --> 00:01:32.239 throughout the year, you hear things about uh Antony Jones, 34 00:01:32.400 --> 00:01:34.719 it did great report on this yesterday, but you hear 35 00:01:34.760 --> 00:01:38.959 things about, you know, his battle with Calvin Booth, and 36 00:01:39.079 --> 00:01:41.760 you know he you know, Michael Malone doesn't typically have 37 00:01:41.799 --> 00:01:45.879 a great history with a front office, but you know, 38 00:01:45.920 --> 00:01:48.079 Kelvin Booth wanted to play these young guys and like, 39 00:01:48.239 --> 00:01:50.079 I'm sorry, Like the young guys aren't that good and 40 00:01:50.120 --> 00:01:54.040 they're trying to win. And so I understand that he's 41 00:01:54.079 --> 00:01:56.359 in these battles left and right. The defense has not 42 00:01:56.480 --> 00:02:01.159 been good. Also, Aaron Gordon has played forty eight games 43 00:02:01.159 --> 00:02:03.319 and Can Davi's Cambo Pope got to walk for free. 44 00:02:03.840 --> 00:02:06.480 So like that next man up thing, just do like 45 00:02:06.480 --> 00:02:08.759 there's a there's a drop off there, like you know, 46 00:02:08.960 --> 00:02:12.879 Christian Browns hasn't been really good filling in, but the 47 00:02:13.000 --> 00:02:15.960 drop off is still there, like from the next spot down. 48 00:02:16.680 --> 00:02:18.879 And Jokic hasn't been good as good defensively as he 49 00:02:18.960 --> 00:02:21.039 was previous years because he's got to do too much 50 00:02:21.039 --> 00:02:23.560 on offense because Jamal Murray's need doesn't work anymore and 51 00:02:23.599 --> 00:02:26.840 his hamstring is is hurting all the time. And you know, 52 00:02:27.000 --> 00:02:30.599 I think there are plenty of reasons to question Malone. 53 00:02:30.639 --> 00:02:33.000 I don't think he's an infallible coach by any means, 54 00:02:33.759 --> 00:02:38.759 but I think they're doing pretty well considering the injuries 55 00:02:38.759 --> 00:02:41.560 and the issues with this roster construction everything. Like I 56 00:02:41.639 --> 00:02:45.319 get not letting Calvin Booth stay on past this season. 57 00:02:45.520 --> 00:02:49.719 I you know, they but also even in regards to that, 58 00:02:50.479 --> 00:02:53.039 you tighten the first strings, what's he supposed to do? 59 00:02:53.639 --> 00:02:56.240 Like this is a frugal ownership and they didn't want 60 00:02:56.280 --> 00:02:58.400 to spend the money to you know, be deep in 61 00:02:58.439 --> 00:03:00.879 the tax all that stuff and spend what it takes 62 00:03:00.919 --> 00:03:04.639 to remain a contender in a champion And now they're 63 00:03:04.719 --> 00:03:07.759 just letting, you know, everyone else take the blame for it. 64 00:03:08.199 --> 00:03:10.800 And you're gonna do it three games before the playoffs. 65 00:03:10.800 --> 00:03:14.479 You're gonna give David Adoman three games in the midst 66 00:03:14.560 --> 00:03:17.599 of this playoff, you know, push and traffic jam in 67 00:03:17.639 --> 00:03:20.479 the West to figure it out, and then hey, we 68 00:03:20.560 --> 00:03:23.319 think there's more to this group than there than what's 69 00:03:23.360 --> 00:03:27.159 been shown so far. Sorry, Josh Crocky, there isn't this 70 00:03:27.319 --> 00:03:29.840 is it. It's Jokic, save us or nothing. 71 00:03:31.199 --> 00:03:34.800 Let me let me move over into what Josh Cronky 72 00:03:34.840 --> 00:03:36.759 had to say about like he wants to see these 73 00:03:36.800 --> 00:03:37.599 guys play. 74 00:03:37.400 --> 00:03:38.240 With joy again. 75 00:03:39.560 --> 00:03:42.159 Yeah, and like, I don't know, pat Riley's the one 76 00:03:42.199 --> 00:03:46.280 that said infamously or famously there's winning in misery and 77 00:03:46.400 --> 00:03:50.599 NBA basketball and maybe this is a generational shift. 78 00:03:51.639 --> 00:03:52.879 I don't know that. 79 00:03:53.560 --> 00:03:57.960 And look, you should approach your work with enjoyment, and 80 00:03:58.039 --> 00:04:00.439 you should find joy and life oers and that. But 81 00:04:00.479 --> 00:04:03.240 this stuff is hard, man, Like, winning at a high 82 00:04:03.360 --> 00:04:06.439 level is hard. And I don't have an issue with 83 00:04:06.479 --> 00:04:10.639 a coach who at times decides that a more heavy 84 00:04:10.680 --> 00:04:13.439 handed approach is necessary for a team that I might 85 00:04:13.479 --> 00:04:17.759 not be maximizing. Uh, you know exactly who they could be. 86 00:04:17.959 --> 00:04:21.480 And side note, I've never seen Russell Wilson, Russell Westbrook 87 00:04:21.560 --> 00:04:22.600 do anything with joy. 88 00:04:22.879 --> 00:04:24.399 I don't know that he knows what that. 89 00:04:24.480 --> 00:04:27.879 Is like that that that's that kind of struck me, 90 00:04:27.920 --> 00:04:29.560 Like I want to see this team play with joy 91 00:04:29.680 --> 00:04:31.800 and like, dude, you don't get it. This stuff is 92 00:04:31.920 --> 00:04:35.319 hard winning championship like give me, give me your take 93 00:04:35.319 --> 00:04:35.560 on that. 94 00:04:36.279 --> 00:04:39.439 Yeah, go go run in Nate and under League then right, 95 00:04:39.519 --> 00:04:42.120 like that's not what just is. Like this is maybe 96 00:04:42.399 --> 00:04:45.759 like he watches the Thunder and their post game press 97 00:04:45.800 --> 00:04:48.720 you know, uh, you know, little sideline interviews and everything 98 00:04:48.800 --> 00:04:50.800 goes wow, they have so much joy, Like yeah, because 99 00:04:50.800 --> 00:04:53.079 they win by fifteen every night, right of course they 100 00:04:53.079 --> 00:04:58.480 have joy. Like it's yeah, this is hard, and I 101 00:04:58.480 --> 00:05:00.160 I think that's I'm fair to say about Westbrook. You 102 00:05:00.199 --> 00:05:04.360 clearly don't watch him on Instagram. He's always happy on Instagram. 103 00:05:04.399 --> 00:05:06.399 He's just not happy playing basketball, but he's always happy 104 00:05:06.399 --> 00:05:08.759 on Instagram, So you know you gotta you gotta follow 105 00:05:08.839 --> 00:05:14.319 him there smash that Liken subscribe button with the Nuggets, 106 00:05:14.360 --> 00:05:20.319 Like I mean, man, this, I do think Michael Malone 107 00:05:20.680 --> 00:05:25.279 is a very grading coach and personality. I do like 108 00:05:25.360 --> 00:05:27.160 I think that, and we've seen that in the past, 109 00:05:27.160 --> 00:05:29.160 like he does get on people's nrves. I think I 110 00:05:29.160 --> 00:05:35.120 think that's he's very hard mentality. He does try to 111 00:05:35.199 --> 00:05:38.759 like push buttons and call his team soft and call 112 00:05:38.839 --> 00:05:41.519 them weak and say that, you know, they suck at 113 00:05:41.519 --> 00:05:43.279 defense and all this stuff. And he's done that in 114 00:05:43.319 --> 00:05:45.480 the past, and it motivates them early on in the season. 115 00:05:45.480 --> 00:05:48.120 It ends up working. And he's even admitted like, yeah, 116 00:05:48.160 --> 00:05:50.839 these are just motivational ploys. Right when I say, no 117 00:05:50.920 --> 00:05:53.240 one believes in us, as everyone believes in them. These 118 00:05:53.279 --> 00:05:56.279 are motivational ploys. Like he He's admitted to the stuff before. 119 00:05:57.839 --> 00:06:01.000 There's a certain point where you want to be coached 120 00:06:01.079 --> 00:06:05.199 or not, like you either do or don't. And I 121 00:06:05.240 --> 00:06:07.600 know that Joki has not been happy with the defensive 122 00:06:07.639 --> 00:06:10.279 stuff and some of the commitment to that and maybe 123 00:06:10.279 --> 00:06:11.839 even some of the coaching with it. You know, I 124 00:06:12.040 --> 00:06:14.399 don't know that he is completely absolved of this. I 125 00:06:14.399 --> 00:06:17.920 don't think this happens without one without telling him. Obviously 126 00:06:17.920 --> 00:06:20.000 they told him too, Like I think he has to 127 00:06:20.040 --> 00:06:23.199 give some level of okay. I think if he if 128 00:06:23.240 --> 00:06:24.959 they say, hey, we're going to fire at Malone and 129 00:06:25.000 --> 00:06:27.319 he's like, no, you're not, I think they would have 130 00:06:27.360 --> 00:06:29.639 to reconsider on some level. Right. I'm not saying that 131 00:06:29.680 --> 00:06:32.240 he went out and got Malone fire, but that I 132 00:06:32.360 --> 00:06:34.560 got to assume that that the best player in the 133 00:06:34.600 --> 00:06:38.720 world can affect that one way or another. At the 134 00:06:38.759 --> 00:06:42.040 same time, like, yeah, you want them to be happy, well, 135 00:06:42.079 --> 00:06:44.720 maybe don't put them down a man every time you 136 00:06:44.759 --> 00:06:47.680 add to the roster, like they like his backup is 137 00:06:47.759 --> 00:06:52.160 DeAndre Jordan in twenty twenty five? What like, what do 138 00:06:52.199 --> 00:06:55.079 you expect to happen? These guys are are are a 139 00:06:55.079 --> 00:06:59.199 man down the rotation at least every single game. I 140 00:06:59.199 --> 00:07:00.560 don't know what joy they're supposed to have. 141 00:07:01.000 --> 00:07:03.160 Yeah, and it's look, it just comes down to this. 142 00:07:03.720 --> 00:07:08.160 You know, rich people shouldn't talk to anybody besides other 143 00:07:08.240 --> 00:07:11.040 rich people, but they don't know how other people live, Like, 144 00:07:11.560 --> 00:07:16.560 you know, right, Miriam Addelson, Patrick Dumont. They talk after 145 00:07:16.600 --> 00:07:20.040 the Luca trade, Josh Kronkey talking af like, I've got 146 00:07:20.040 --> 00:07:22.319 a finance bro who I grew up with, who I 147 00:07:22.439 --> 00:07:24.759 had dinner with last year, and I haven't seen a 148 00:07:24.839 --> 00:07:28.759 number of years, and he's made millions upon millions of dollars. 149 00:07:28.839 --> 00:07:30.079 And he dropped a lot. He said. 150 00:07:30.120 --> 00:07:33.680 You know, in life, if it's a problem about with money, 151 00:07:34.079 --> 00:07:36.600 it means that it's actually not a problem. I'm like, 152 00:07:36.639 --> 00:07:39.800 don't say that to anybody outside of your other rich bros, dude, 153 00:07:39.839 --> 00:07:42.319 because it is a problem for people that don't have 154 00:07:42.399 --> 00:07:45.959 generational wealth like you have been able to create based 155 00:07:46.000 --> 00:07:46.920 off the connections that. 156 00:07:46.879 --> 00:07:48.240 You have rich people. 157 00:07:48.720 --> 00:07:53.839 Like when it comes to ownership in sports, Okay, hire 158 00:07:53.920 --> 00:07:57.240 good people, let them do their jobs and enjoy your 159 00:07:57.319 --> 00:08:00.639 life on your ship or traveling around, Like, don't don't meddle, 160 00:08:00.720 --> 00:08:04.560 don't get involved because you don't know what normal people 161 00:08:04.639 --> 00:08:06.120 have to do day to day to get by. 162 00:08:06.240 --> 00:08:07.480 Like it's easy for. 163 00:08:07.519 --> 00:08:09.319 Josh Cronky be like I need you guys to play 164 00:08:09.360 --> 00:08:12.160 with joke, Like, yeah, you've got millions and millions and 165 00:08:12.199 --> 00:08:14.319 millions and millions of dollars in the bank. You can 166 00:08:14.399 --> 00:08:17.279 live your life easy every day with joy. The rest 167 00:08:17.279 --> 00:08:19.240 of us have to get up and work. Like the 168 00:08:19.360 --> 00:08:22.680 ownership situation. Whenever these rich people try to get involved 169 00:08:22.720 --> 00:08:26.040 and then explain themselves, they only compound the problem. 170 00:08:26.839 --> 00:08:29.199 Yeah, like your job is to sign checks. Let the 171 00:08:29.240 --> 00:08:32.720 basketball people do the basketball stuff right. And by the way, 172 00:08:32.720 --> 00:08:35.480 the Kunky family doesn't even like they don't even enjoy 173 00:08:35.559 --> 00:08:39.080 owning a basketball team. They enjoy owning everything else, but 174 00:08:39.159 --> 00:08:41.159 not a bad They don't enjoy owning a basketball team. 175 00:08:41.200 --> 00:08:45.559 That's been pretty clear throughout this whole time. I mean, look, 176 00:08:45.600 --> 00:08:48.679 I enjoy my life, right, I've I've got my dream job. 177 00:08:48.720 --> 00:08:52.279 I've been successful at it, Like I do pretty much 178 00:08:52.399 --> 00:08:55.399 what I want. Like I'm in a good spot. I 179 00:08:55.440 --> 00:08:58.240 wouldn't go like, and I believe in work ethic and 180 00:08:58.279 --> 00:09:00.279 all this stuff. I wouldn't go out there and try 181 00:09:00.279 --> 00:09:04.000 to relate to a Kardashian for life advice. Right, they 182 00:09:04.039 --> 00:09:06.279 don't know, Like, I can't relate to that. That doesn't 183 00:09:06.279 --> 00:09:08.879 make any sense, right, They're on a different stratosphere. They 184 00:09:08.879 --> 00:09:13.279 can't relate to anything that any normal person is able 185 00:09:13.320 --> 00:09:16.279 to do. So like a Kronky or a Dan Gilbert 186 00:09:16.360 --> 00:09:18.240 or any of these people, Like, you know what I 187 00:09:18.279 --> 00:09:20.200 should do right now? I should look at all these 188 00:09:20.240 --> 00:09:23.840 basketball operations, like what are you doing? No, sign the checks, 189 00:09:24.120 --> 00:09:26.840 that's what you're there for. Sign the checks, you know, 190 00:09:27.120 --> 00:09:29.759 get the get the city to fund your arena, even 191 00:09:29.799 --> 00:09:32.080 though you can pay for it. Do that stuff. Don't 192 00:09:32.120 --> 00:09:33.840 do don't do the NBA stuff. 193 00:09:34.360 --> 00:09:36.080 Yeah, it never ends well. 194 00:09:36.120 --> 00:09:38.919 The best ownership groups and pro sports hire good people, 195 00:09:39.000 --> 00:09:41.159 let them do their jobs, then go live their dream life. 196 00:09:41.159 --> 00:09:43.720 And that's you know, ultimately the model that we all 197 00:09:43.720 --> 00:09:46.759 should hope for. And I guess, Zach, it comes down 198 00:09:46.799 --> 00:09:50.799 to whenever you've been able to achieve something, some sort 199 00:09:50.840 --> 00:09:53.840 of measure of success, even extreme success. I just feel 200 00:09:53.840 --> 00:09:55.919 like a lot of these people believe they can translate 201 00:09:55.960 --> 00:09:59.200 that skill set into running a sports team, and they're 202 00:09:59.200 --> 00:10:01.279 not mutually excl It's not the same thing. 203 00:10:01.279 --> 00:10:05.919 It ever is, right you, you if if your success 204 00:10:05.960 --> 00:10:08.519 comes from the business world, which obviously does, if you 205 00:10:08.639 --> 00:10:11.039 end up with that much money or your dad is 206 00:10:11.159 --> 00:10:14.960 mister Dolan, right, then you can use that stuff to 207 00:10:16.080 --> 00:10:19.159 use the business side of it, like go affect the 208 00:10:19.200 --> 00:10:21.039 business side of it. You want to make more money 209 00:10:21.039 --> 00:10:23.240 off the people, you want to, you know, find ways 210 00:10:23.279 --> 00:10:25.799 to market better all that stuff. I'm here for it, 211 00:10:26.720 --> 00:10:29.960 Josh Cronki. Let the basketball people do the basketball stuff. 212 00:10:30.240 --> 00:10:33.360 Any other organization you have, you hire basketball people to 213 00:10:33.480 --> 00:10:35.720 do their stuff. Like, one of the things I appreciate 214 00:10:36.159 --> 00:10:38.320 about my job, and it has been expressed to me 215 00:10:38.919 --> 00:10:41.240 through my bosses, my editors, all that stuff is they 216 00:10:41.279 --> 00:10:44.320 always say to me and like, this is very empowering. 217 00:10:44.360 --> 00:10:47.159 It's something that not like not any other place I've 218 00:10:47.159 --> 00:10:50.480 worked has done. They say, we hired you to be you, 219 00:10:51.120 --> 00:10:54.519 So go be you, right, That's what basketball people are 220 00:10:54.519 --> 00:10:56.399 supposed to do. They're not supposed to do anything else 221 00:10:56.440 --> 00:10:59.759 but be basketball people in NBA organizations and instead that 222 00:11:00.200 --> 00:11:03.399 all these dumb ass games all the time, like these 223 00:11:03.399 --> 00:11:06.679 political games and stuff, instead of just focusing on basketball stuff, 224 00:11:06.720 --> 00:11:08.720 and you get situations like that when that happens. 225 00:11:08.960 --> 00:11:14.080 Speaking of your reputation, Zach, if I told you, oh though, 226 00:11:14.120 --> 00:11:16.840 that somebody on this radio show referred to you as 227 00:11:16.840 --> 00:11:20.080 a basketball bully, would you push back on that or 228 00:11:20.120 --> 00:11:21.039 agree that that's real? 229 00:11:21.840 --> 00:11:26.080 Oh, basketball bully? Yeah, that could happen. 230 00:11:26.320 --> 00:11:30.639 Okay, well no, this was Tom. This was Tom Aberstrow. 231 00:11:30.960 --> 00:11:33.919 Oh yeah, well okay, all right, Yeah that I did 232 00:11:33.919 --> 00:11:35.159 bully Tom on a basketball court. 233 00:11:35.600 --> 00:11:38.039 Oh okay, okay, because I did. I didn't bring it 234 00:11:38.120 --> 00:11:40.679 like I texted you. The texted you this off air. 235 00:11:40.759 --> 00:11:42.559 I have not had the heart to bring up the 236 00:11:42.600 --> 00:11:47.039 Read Shepherd stuff because on the show last year, prior 237 00:11:47.039 --> 00:11:49.240 to the draft, Tom did the Tom thing where it's 238 00:11:49.240 --> 00:11:50.840 like he's going to be historic, he should be the 239 00:11:50.879 --> 00:11:53.159 number one pick. Like I think, I think a lot 240 00:11:53.159 --> 00:11:57.559 of people liked Reed Shepherd. Tom liked Read Shepherd scoach too. 241 00:11:57.600 --> 00:11:57.840 Much. 242 00:11:58.440 --> 00:12:00.639 But I did bring up the fact that you push 243 00:12:00.720 --> 00:12:04.759 back on his Kevin Garnett Cooper flag comp and instead 244 00:12:04.759 --> 00:12:08.240 of instead of standing up for himself, he peed down 245 00:12:08.240 --> 00:12:11.200 his leg and went back because he was afraid that 246 00:12:11.240 --> 00:12:12.960 he was afraid that you were gonna stuff him into 247 00:12:12.960 --> 00:12:16.240 a locker? What did you do to poor Tom Havershow well, 248 00:12:16.799 --> 00:12:17.720 this was years ago. 249 00:12:17.720 --> 00:12:22.679 This is probably legitimately like ten years ago. We were 250 00:12:22.679 --> 00:12:26.679 both in Miami and we played basketball and I lit 251 00:12:26.759 --> 00:12:29.000 him up, like Tom's good. Tom can play, but I 252 00:12:29.080 --> 00:12:30.879 lit him up, and I was talking to some trash 253 00:12:31.159 --> 00:12:32.519 and I hit a deep shot to win the game. 254 00:12:32.679 --> 00:12:34.440 And so I was a bit of a basketball bully. 255 00:12:34.440 --> 00:12:36.080 And then you know, I could be very aggressive in 256 00:12:36.080 --> 00:12:39.200 my opinions and stuff like that. But yes, like I can, 257 00:12:39.480 --> 00:12:42.279 I wouldn't say I am a basketball bully. I can 258 00:12:42.559 --> 00:12:45.720 exhibit the behavior of a basketball bully from time to time. 259 00:12:46.120 --> 00:12:50.440 But also one I watched and look I've gotten We 260 00:12:50.480 --> 00:12:53.759 could do a whole week of shows on draft comps 261 00:12:53.759 --> 00:12:57.720 that I have gotten wrong, all of us a lot wrong. 262 00:12:58.080 --> 00:13:01.679 But I watched, really watched one game of Reed Shepherd 263 00:13:01.759 --> 00:13:03.960 last year. It was the game against Oakland where they 264 00:13:04.000 --> 00:13:05.519 got and I was like, this guy can't get past 265 00:13:05.600 --> 00:13:07.600 any of these dudes. He stinks, And I was like, 266 00:13:07.679 --> 00:13:09.679 there's no way. Like I watched one game and I 267 00:13:09.720 --> 00:13:12.200 was like, Nah, this guy doesn't have it. The Cooper 268 00:13:12.240 --> 00:13:15.200 flag is really good, but the idea of comparing him 269 00:13:15.200 --> 00:13:19.200 to Kevin Garnett just to me, even even eighteen year 270 00:13:19.240 --> 00:13:24.639 old Kevin Garnett, just doesn't make any sense. You keep 271 00:13:24.679 --> 00:13:26.840 trying to like, people keep trying to find these Kevin 272 00:13:26.840 --> 00:13:29.120 Garnett comparisons, and they tried it with Anthony Davis. If 273 00:13:29.120 --> 00:13:32.559 that didn't work, like it just you gotta you gotta 274 00:13:32.600 --> 00:13:35.559 find other people. Like there's certain guys like you know, 275 00:13:35.559 --> 00:13:37.399 we do it with Dirk Navitsky and stuff like we've 276 00:13:37.440 --> 00:13:39.639 done it with like Lowry Markinen with Drknavitski set Like, No, 277 00:13:39.759 --> 00:13:43.759 Dirk's this level of guy. You got to find someone lower. 278 00:13:45.480 --> 00:13:48.320 What is the tale of tape between you and Tom? 279 00:13:48.440 --> 00:13:51.480 Is there a sizeable size difference between the two of you. 280 00:13:53.000 --> 00:13:54.919 I mean, I think we're we're the same here. You're 281 00:13:54.919 --> 00:13:58.120 doing a lot better shape than I'm inn okay for sure, 282 00:13:58.360 --> 00:14:00.039 but I think we're I mean we're about like I 283 00:14:00.039 --> 00:14:01.679 think I think we're the same height. I don't know. 284 00:14:01.679 --> 00:14:03.480 It depends on you know, how tall my hair is 285 00:14:03.519 --> 00:14:06.519 that day, but we're the same height, hesn't He's in 286 00:14:06.919 --> 00:14:09.000 better shape. I might have a longer reach than he. 287 00:14:08.960 --> 00:14:13.919 Does based off of because Tom's usually one that will 288 00:14:13.960 --> 00:14:17.039 stand up for his own opinion or kind of bring 289 00:14:17.039 --> 00:14:19.799 the noise back. Based off of the way he just 290 00:14:19.879 --> 00:14:23.320 declined to take my bait, it feels it. 291 00:14:23.720 --> 00:14:25.759 It felt more personal. 292 00:14:25.360 --> 00:14:28.440 Than just a game winning shot in a pickup basketball game. 293 00:14:28.919 --> 00:14:30.759 I think this is what I think he I think 294 00:14:30.799 --> 00:14:37.919 he knows like Tom's a very smart, eloquent, reasoned person. 295 00:14:38.200 --> 00:14:40.399 I think he knows I'm kind of a loud idiot 296 00:14:40.399 --> 00:14:43.600 at times. I think he just doesn't. I think he's like, oh, 297 00:14:43.600 --> 00:14:45.320 I don't want Zac to be annoying about this, so 298 00:14:45.399 --> 00:14:46.840 he's just like, it's not worth. 299 00:14:46.639 --> 00:14:47.720 It, Okay, all right. 300 00:14:48.440 --> 00:14:49.519 I think that's probably what it is. 301 00:14:49.679 --> 00:14:54.120 Gotcha takeaways from So mcmanimon just reported the NBA rescinded 302 00:14:54.120 --> 00:14:58.279 that second technical against Luca, and ultimately the reason it 303 00:14:58.440 --> 00:15:00.440 sucked for me is I'm dial the end of that 304 00:15:00.480 --> 00:15:04.639 game because watching Lebron and Luca try to figure this 305 00:15:04.679 --> 00:15:07.559 thing out has become like a fascination of mine, based 306 00:15:07.600 --> 00:15:09.759 off of how smart they both are as players, so 307 00:15:09.840 --> 00:15:12.519 I want to kind of see how this thing unfolds. 308 00:15:12.559 --> 00:15:15.559 And then it's a one point game last night, Luca 309 00:15:15.679 --> 00:15:18.360 gets run for talking to a fan and then the 310 00:15:18.399 --> 00:15:21.600 thunder just run away from him and it ruined my 311 00:15:21.759 --> 00:15:23.759 experience as a basketball consumer. 312 00:15:23.799 --> 00:15:25.639 What were your takeaways, dame? 313 00:15:25.720 --> 00:15:28.639 I mean, I was locked in that game, and and 314 00:15:28.799 --> 00:15:31.639 you know, here's what I hate. I hate that the 315 00:15:31.679 --> 00:15:35.840 reaction is, well, yeah, but Luca complains all the time, 316 00:15:36.120 --> 00:15:40.519 So this is just justice for that. Like, sure he 317 00:15:40.559 --> 00:15:43.519 does complain all the time, So does Draymond, so does 318 00:15:43.600 --> 00:15:46.320 Chris Paul. So like you can Lebron complains all the bit, 319 00:15:46.320 --> 00:15:48.679 like you can go through all these like Yoki's complains 320 00:15:48.679 --> 00:15:50.799 all the time, Like all these guys, all these stars 321 00:15:50.799 --> 00:15:53.559 about the history of the game, complain, yell at ref 322 00:15:54.000 --> 00:15:57.679 talk all the time, right, Like it is just you 323 00:15:57.840 --> 00:16:00.399 get leeway if you have a certain skill or you 324 00:16:00.440 --> 00:16:03.159 set a certain tone or whatever. It's just like, yeah, 325 00:16:03.159 --> 00:16:05.279 it's unfair. That's life. I don't know what to tell you. 326 00:16:05.559 --> 00:16:08.960 That's what it is. And I don't I don't believe 327 00:16:09.080 --> 00:16:14.159 because you drive eighty five miles in a you know, 328 00:16:14.200 --> 00:16:16.519 on a sixty five mile an hour freeway all the time. 329 00:16:16.919 --> 00:16:19.759 The one time you went sixty eight, you deserve a 330 00:16:19.799 --> 00:16:22.879 speeding ticket. Like I just I don't believe in that, 331 00:16:23.000 --> 00:16:26.600 Like that was a bad technical foul. The times that 332 00:16:26.679 --> 00:16:28.759 he's complaining to a ref and yelling and whining and 333 00:16:28.799 --> 00:16:32.679 stuff him up for that stuff, that's fine. This was 334 00:16:32.720 --> 00:16:35.720 a bad technical foul. The refs should have gotten together 335 00:16:36.320 --> 00:16:39.559 rescinded it right on the spot, and instead you have 336 00:16:40.320 --> 00:16:43.159 what has become more of a problem with officiating. Like 337 00:16:43.200 --> 00:16:45.519 I don't like blaming rest for stuff. I believe in 338 00:16:45.559 --> 00:16:48.879 accountability when it comes to players and teams, and like 339 00:16:48.960 --> 00:16:51.480 I don't believe ref's ruined, you know, ruined the game 340 00:16:51.519 --> 00:16:53.720 for you and made you lose. I think the entirety 341 00:16:53.759 --> 00:16:56.519 of the game is what matters with that stuff. But 342 00:16:57.440 --> 00:17:00.879 the rest took away last night through a bad technical foul, 343 00:17:02.039 --> 00:17:06.200 the enjoyment and like the analysis and everything that's good 344 00:17:06.240 --> 00:17:09.839 about the NBA, because they wouldn't just think, like take 345 00:17:09.880 --> 00:17:12.079 a minute and be like, maybe he was yelling at 346 00:17:12.079 --> 00:17:14.039 that fan, Maybe we shouldn't team up for that for 347 00:17:14.079 --> 00:17:16.759 the second one. Maybe we should like just take a 348 00:17:16.799 --> 00:17:20.839 breath and be like, hey, we're gonna take this back, 349 00:17:21.039 --> 00:17:22.480 but you got to watch it the rest of the game. 350 00:17:22.839 --> 00:17:26.039 Why can't that happen? I don't understand, like why it 351 00:17:26.079 --> 00:17:27.880 has to happen. Yeah, that happened the way it did. 352 00:17:28.039 --> 00:17:31.279 Now for sure. What's the scene like in Dallas tonight? 353 00:17:31.640 --> 00:17:32.720 How do you think this is gonna go? 354 00:17:33.640 --> 00:17:35.400 I So I wrote about this a little bit in 355 00:17:35.440 --> 00:17:37.799 the Bounce today, which is on my plug. It's our 356 00:17:37.839 --> 00:17:40.039 free newsletter from the NBA that I about the NBA 357 00:17:40.079 --> 00:17:42.680 that I do every single day on the Athletic. It's free, 358 00:17:42.799 --> 00:17:44.640 you don't have to pay for it. The Athletic dot 359 00:17:44.680 --> 00:17:46.680 com slash. The Bounce goes right into your email box. 360 00:17:48.000 --> 00:17:50.119 I wrote about this today. We had earlier this season, 361 00:17:50.119 --> 00:17:52.759 we had karl Antonia Town's return to Minnesota right and 362 00:17:52.799 --> 00:17:55.480 the fans loved it. They loved him, but they still 363 00:17:55.480 --> 00:17:57.880 wanted the Temperwolves to win that game. And then not 364 00:17:58.000 --> 00:18:00.400 that long ago, we had Jimmy Butler returned the Miami 365 00:18:00.519 --> 00:18:02.920 and the fans hated them and they were so happy 366 00:18:02.960 --> 00:18:06.480 that he lost that game. And tonight, I think for 367 00:18:06.519 --> 00:18:09.599 the first time ever, we're going to see Mavericks fans 368 00:18:10.559 --> 00:18:15.039 not only love and embrace Luka Doncic. I think they're 369 00:18:15.039 --> 00:18:17.599 going to root for the Lakers to win. It's like 370 00:18:17.640 --> 00:18:20.160 a big middle finger to Nico Harrison. Wow. I don't 371 00:18:20.160 --> 00:18:22.240 think they've become Lakers fans. I don't think any of that. 372 00:18:22.640 --> 00:18:25.200 But I think the goal for Mavericks fans, knowing that 373 00:18:25.279 --> 00:18:27.759 this team is cooked and there is no light at 374 00:18:27.799 --> 00:18:29.519 the end of the tunnel for this thing this season 375 00:18:29.559 --> 00:18:32.160 and maybe not even next season, depending on how Kyrie 376 00:18:32.240 --> 00:18:34.920 recovers from his injury, I think the whole goal for 377 00:18:35.000 --> 00:18:39.039 the majority of really die hard Mavericks fans is Nico 378 00:18:39.039 --> 00:18:41.279 Harrison has to go. And I don't know how realistic 379 00:18:41.319 --> 00:18:44.839 that is, but the worst that this trade looks, you know, 380 00:18:44.960 --> 00:18:47.839 short term and long term, I think that's what they 381 00:18:47.839 --> 00:18:49.960 want to emphasize. And I really think it's going to 382 00:18:50.000 --> 00:18:53.599 be a cool scene, an emotional scene, but a weird vibe. 383 00:18:54.960 --> 00:18:56.680 Yeah. Yeah, it's man. 384 00:18:57.000 --> 00:18:58.839 If they go to the extent of charing for the 385 00:18:58.880 --> 00:19:03.400 other team, I mean, you know, it's such a generational misstep. 386 00:19:03.799 --> 00:19:05.839 And I feel the same way about it today, Zach 387 00:19:05.920 --> 00:19:07.920 that I did the moment I heard about the trade, like, 388 00:19:08.400 --> 00:19:11.160 and you know, wondering where you're at, Is there anything 389 00:19:11.240 --> 00:19:14.319 that you have heard since this deal went down that 390 00:19:14.400 --> 00:19:17.279 made you pump fake on your take about how misguided 391 00:19:17.319 --> 00:19:18.000 the whole thing was. 392 00:19:18.920 --> 00:19:21.880 No, not like I don't know. I don't know what 393 00:19:22.119 --> 00:19:26.119 I could hear, right, I legitimately don't know. Like we're 394 00:19:26.160 --> 00:19:29.880 walking Luca right, like he's out there, he's getting better, 395 00:19:29.920 --> 00:19:32.839 Like he's playing really well, They're starting to gel like 396 00:19:32.920 --> 00:19:36.160 they look they look pretty dangerous. This Malone stuff with 397 00:19:36.720 --> 00:19:40.000 Denver might eliminate a potential big threat for them in 398 00:19:40.000 --> 00:19:42.519 the postseason, where it's like you might start believing in 399 00:19:42.559 --> 00:19:44.680 the Lakers as actual contenders. Like I don't even know 400 00:19:44.680 --> 00:19:47.559 what to think anymore, But I don't know what reporting 401 00:19:47.599 --> 00:19:52.200