1 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:08,160 Speaker 1: Hey everyone, I'm Matt Ford and welcome to the Good 2 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:12,119 Trouble Show. If you haven't heard by now, UAP otherwise 3 00:00:12,199 --> 00:00:13,800 known as UFOs. 4 00:00:13,519 --> 00:00:15,039 Speaker 2: Are a real thing. 5 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 1: Government whistleblowers are coming forward and testifying to Congress that 6 00:00:20,199 --> 00:00:25,280 UAP represent a serious national security issue. The Pentagon, however, 7 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:29,519 is well keeping what it knows tightly under wraps, including 8 00:00:29,559 --> 00:00:30,960 a massive trove of. 9 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 2: Evidence in its possession. 10 00:00:32,759 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 1: Such as photographic and video footage, much of which has 11 00:00:36,759 --> 00:00:40,000 not been shared with members of Congress, and that lack 12 00:00:40,039 --> 00:00:44,280 of transparency is exactly why the first ever twenty twenty 13 00:00:44,359 --> 00:00:48,320 six UAP Tracking and Detection Summit is happening. 14 00:00:48,399 --> 00:00:50,880 Speaker 3: The maybe says it still doesn't know what the objects are. 15 00:00:51,079 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 4: The minute you get eyes on them, they go dark. 16 00:00:53,719 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 2: They must disclose more information to the public. 17 00:00:56,240 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 3: Unidentified anomalist phenomena or UAP are being reported across air, sea, 18 00:01:01,399 --> 00:01:05,959 and space domains. In the absence of verifiable data, misinformation 19 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:10,640 fills the gap. Explanations are lacking and often contradictory, leading 20 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:13,959 the public to ask what's really going on in our skies. 21 00:01:14,719 --> 00:01:19,400 Recent Congressional testimony has raised urgent questions about UAP risks 22 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:22,519 to flight safety, lack of oversight and potential challenges to 23 00:01:22,599 --> 00:01:26,359 national security are now being formally acknowledged by governments around 24 00:01:26,439 --> 00:01:30,480 the world. It's becoming clear we can no longer ignore 25 00:01:30,519 --> 00:01:36,239 the reality of UAP. But testimony alone is not enough. 26 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:39,920 We need the full capabilities of science and technology in 27 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:44,159 order to move from uncertainty to understanding. We need data. 28 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:49,920 The UAP Detection and Tracking Stomach convenes researchers, technologists, policymakers, 29 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:53,640 and informed citizens to build new capabilities to detect, track 30 00:01:53,719 --> 00:01:57,439 and analyze UAP and gain critical understanding into the anomalist 31 00:01:57,519 --> 00:02:01,079 objects and craft increasingly reported over our homes, cities, and 32 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:06,519 critical infrastructure. With calibrated instruments, coordinated field research, and transparent 33 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:11,479 scientific collaboration, we can detect and track anomalous objects and 34 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:15,960 generate the data needed to drive forward the disclosure of UAP. 35 00:02:19,439 --> 00:02:27,120 The technology is available, the expertise is here. The capability 36 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:30,439 to understand what's in our skies is finally within reach. 37 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:33,560 We invite you to join us. 38 00:02:37,479 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 2: Please welcome. 39 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 1: On your left read Summers and on your right Rich Hoffman, gentlemen, 40 00:02:43,599 --> 00:02:46,159 welcome to the show. I'd love for both of you 41 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:49,240 to tell our audience a bit about yourselves. 42 00:02:49,039 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 2: And your organizations before we really jump into everything and Rich. 43 00:02:52,599 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 1: Since this is your first time on the show, welcome, 44 00:02:56,039 --> 00:02:56,759 let's start with you. 45 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:00,039 Speaker 5: Oh well great, thank you for having me on and 46 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:04,599 I appreciate your shows all. I've been at this for 47 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:07,759 sixty one years. I've been through many organizations. I started 48 00:03:07,759 --> 00:03:10,599 out with NICAP. I was also a part of mof 49 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:15,080 on most of my time with that sixty one years. 50 00:03:15,439 --> 00:03:19,199 I'm actually a lifetime member of them as well. I'm 51 00:03:19,199 --> 00:03:23,000 also part of a board advisor with the Society for 52 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:28,639 UAP Studies and I'm definitely a board executive board officer 53 00:03:28,759 --> 00:03:31,960 with the Scientific Coalition for UAP Studies and I've been 54 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:35,879 doing that since its inception in twenty seventeen. 55 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 2: Fantastic Reed, Welcome back to the show. 56 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 1: I think this is what your second time here, so yeah, 57 00:03:40,919 --> 00:03:43,280 tell us For the folks not familiar with your work, 58 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:45,919 tell us about yourself and your organization. 59 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:49,919 Speaker 6: Sure. I'm the host of the Emergent podcast, where I 60 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:54,240 examined the emergent new potential interface between humanity and the 61 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:59,879 intelligence behind UAP Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena. I'm also directing strategy 62 00:03:59,919 --> 00:04:03,080 for a research and policy think tank called the Human Institute, 63 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:05,840 which is working on designing solutions in the human interest 64 00:04:05,919 --> 00:04:09,039 to contend with the challenges presented by the phenomenon and 65 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:13,159 to accelerate our human response to it. I'm also the 66 00:04:13,199 --> 00:04:16,879 creator of a forthcoming strength of evidence scoring platform called 67 00:04:16,959 --> 00:04:19,920 UFFO evidence dot Com, which is a very exciting new 68 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:21,519 tool that's going to be out in the public helping 69 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:26,920 the public move through evidence, rank evidence, better understand what 70 00:04:27,199 --> 00:04:30,920 creates strong evidence, and so forth. And I am also 71 00:04:31,399 --> 00:04:34,680 the lead convener of the UAP Summit, which is taking 72 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:36,199 place February. 73 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:36,279 Speaker 4: Seventh and eighth. 74 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 1: Awesome, And we're going to jump into that for a minute, 75 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:42,360 but I want to run this by both of you. 76 00:04:42,439 --> 00:04:45,720 I mean, I think at this point most people understand 77 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:47,959 that you know that there are things flying around in 78 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:51,360 our skies and that the government, you know, at a 79 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:55,959 very minimum, hasn't been fully transparent about this, this whole thing. 80 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:56,959 Speaker 2: The UAP issue. 81 00:04:57,319 --> 00:05:02,199 Speaker 1: How prolific is this activity and are there any sort 82 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:05,759 of like indicators that the government may be moving toward 83 00:05:05,879 --> 00:05:09,920 greater transparency on the issue. And Rich I'd love to 84 00:05:10,199 --> 00:05:11,720 We'll start with you. What's your take on that. 85 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 5: Well, I've got a kind of a long term perspective 86 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:17,560 on this. I was back in the Blue Book days, 87 00:05:17,639 --> 00:05:19,800 you know, and I lived in Dayton, Ohio, which is 88 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:22,480 where Project blue Book was located at the time. So 89 00:05:23,199 --> 00:05:26,439 I saw the basically how they handled it, and that 90 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:29,439 was like our first foreway with the government dealing with 91 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:32,199 the subject, right And you know, they for the most 92 00:05:32,199 --> 00:05:34,639 part at that time, it was like they had a 93 00:05:34,639 --> 00:05:37,920 bunch of people that were running around doing case investigations, 94 00:05:37,959 --> 00:05:40,319 just collecting and filling out a form and then they 95 00:05:40,319 --> 00:05:42,639 would go back and come up with the case conclusion. 96 00:05:44,079 --> 00:05:46,959 Then I saw the death of the Blue Book and 97 00:05:47,079 --> 00:05:49,800 you know, the National Academy of Scientists that we're seeing 98 00:05:50,079 --> 00:05:52,560 that there's nothing to it, dismiss it and everything else, 99 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:56,160 push that forward through the dark ages of eupology, and 100 00:05:56,199 --> 00:05:59,639 suddenly now you're dealing with this exposure in twenty seventeen 101 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:03,839 with the announcement in the New York Times. There's a 102 00:06:03,879 --> 00:06:06,560 holistic change that's going on right now in the government 103 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:09,240 from back in my early days, where you suddenly have 104 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:12,439 a lot more conversations up on the hill, you have 105 00:06:12,519 --> 00:06:16,000 a lot more conversations, you know, with politicians talking about 106 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:19,560 it and engaging it. You also have now an all 107 00:06:19,639 --> 00:06:21,879 of government kind of organization. 108 00:06:21,439 --> 00:06:24,439 Speaker 4: Called ARROW, which is allegedly supposed. 109 00:06:24,079 --> 00:06:26,319 Speaker 5: To be looking at all of government kinds of things, 110 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:28,360 and they've been focusing on the military cases. 111 00:06:28,399 --> 00:06:30,600 Speaker 4: And I think that that's pretty good that they're doing that. 112 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:34,519 Speaker 5: So what I've seen over my sixty some odd years 113 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:37,160 is an amazing amount of coming out of the woodwork 114 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:41,720 and now talking about it right and openly talking about 115 00:06:41,759 --> 00:06:43,240 it and allegedly studying it. 116 00:06:43,959 --> 00:06:46,160 Speaker 4: And what I'm going to tell you is that I 117 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:49,800 still see and I worked for thirty years with the 118 00:06:49,959 --> 00:06:50,920 Department of the Army. 119 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:54,600 Speaker 5: I was with Army Material Command here in Huntsville, Alabama, 120 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:57,959 and I caught, you know, like the pushback on that. 121 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:01,199 Most of it was just a dismissal of the entire 122 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:04,800 subject from the military. But I started to see that 123 00:07:04,879 --> 00:07:07,439 it was changing over a period of time where now 124 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:11,040 I could have hallway conversations with military people about UFOs 125 00:07:11,759 --> 00:07:14,120 at the base. They were coming out and telling me 126 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:18,279 about their cases. So I've seen more transparency in that regard. 127 00:07:18,759 --> 00:07:22,240 I've seen all the legislation coming down telling the organizations 128 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:25,160 and the military to report their sightings, which is also 129 00:07:25,319 --> 00:07:29,160 very encouraging. So I'm very optimistic about the changes that 130 00:07:29,199 --> 00:07:32,160 I've seen in terms of just the overall thing. Would 131 00:07:32,199 --> 00:07:34,839 I like to see more Well, most definitely, I'd like 132 00:07:34,879 --> 00:07:37,600 to see more, and I'd like to see a lot 133 00:07:37,639 --> 00:07:40,240 more transparency. And I think that we've got to work 134 00:07:40,279 --> 00:07:43,480 through all the issues with you know, the classification settings 135 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:46,600 on some of these things, because some things are overclassified, 136 00:07:47,319 --> 00:07:48,920 and so I think that there's a need to be 137 00:07:48,959 --> 00:07:52,360 able to be a more transparent with the public, even 138 00:07:52,399 --> 00:07:56,319 about your procedures, how you're handling case investigations. I think 139 00:07:56,360 --> 00:08:00,519 AERO could be way more transparent and that would allow 140 00:08:00,639 --> 00:08:02,839 trust to happen a lot more. 141 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 4: Do I think that they're doing a good job. 142 00:08:04,879 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 5: With it, Well, you know, maybe, do I think that 143 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:10,199 there's a whole lot of like, you know, a lot 144 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:13,439 more pilots and things reporting their cases to them. I 145 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:15,759 don't think that that's necessarily the case. I think that 146 00:08:15,839 --> 00:08:18,399 there's still a distrust of them doing that as well. 147 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:21,959 So you know, I'm kind of like saying I think 148 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:25,319 we ought to have more. I'm encouraging more. Do I 149 00:08:25,399 --> 00:08:28,519 really believe the disclosure is right around the corner? No, 150 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:29,720 I've been hearing about. 151 00:08:29,519 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 1: It for sixty years, that's right. I mean, you know, 152 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:36,279 read like when I look at this, like you'll hear 153 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:41,120 presidents such as former President Obama and others say yes, 154 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:45,440 there's something going on out there, But then it almost 155 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:48,840 feels like you we get these sort of mixed messages 156 00:08:48,879 --> 00:08:50,840 out of the Pentagon, Yes you have Arrow, but then 157 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:55,399 they'll say the former Arrow director, doctor Sean Kirkpatrick, will 158 00:08:55,399 --> 00:08:58,440 come out and say, oh, there's no evidence of extraterrestrials. 159 00:08:58,639 --> 00:09:00,919 It just read it all always sort of seems like 160 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:03,039 a mixed bag. What are your thoughts on this? Do 161 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:06,600 you think that in general the trend is towards more 162 00:09:06,639 --> 00:09:08,799 transparency on this issue from the government. 163 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:13,080 Speaker 6: I think the issue is moving, and the public is 164 00:09:13,159 --> 00:09:16,200 engaged and is looking, and we're at a moment of 165 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:18,399 what you might call a singularity on the issue. I 166 00:09:18,399 --> 00:09:21,519 think we're approaching that moment of singularity where there's enough 167 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:26,399 public eyes, public cameras on this guy's There are enough 168 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:31,120 individuals former military, DoD and IC coming forward as whistleblowers 169 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:37,039 with credible testimony to provide, and our capabilities technologically to 170 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:40,360 detect and track UAP are rising as well, as is 171 00:09:40,399 --> 00:09:43,000 the prevalence of the phenomenon, and it is my understanding 172 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:48,120 that UAP activity is hockey sticking over the last few years, 173 00:09:48,759 --> 00:09:50,759 and I think some of that is what we saw 174 00:09:50,879 --> 00:09:54,039 in the mystery drone crises of twenty twenty four and 175 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:57,399 twenty five, not entirely, but there were some indications of 176 00:09:57,919 --> 00:10:01,080 non prosaic craft as part of what with citizens we're seeing. 177 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:04,799 So we have crowded skis on the skis are not secure, 178 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:08,480 the skies are not under our control. We have complete 179 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:11,480 civilian blindness as to what's above our heads, above our 180 00:10:11,519 --> 00:10:15,000 homes and cities and the critical infrastructure that keeps our 181 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:18,720 nation and states running. And that's not acceptable. It's not 182 00:10:18,799 --> 00:10:20,960 acceptable to ignore you AP anymore. And I think the 183 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:24,240 public knows that. I have hundreds of UFO conversations all 184 00:10:24,279 --> 00:10:26,639 the time with people out there in the public, and 185 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:29,840 the appetite and the curiosity, and also just this intrinsic, 186 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:33,759 almost like intuitive sense that there's a layer of reality 187 00:10:33,799 --> 00:10:36,320 that we're now interacting with. We're observing it, we don't 188 00:10:36,399 --> 00:10:39,000 understand it. It's not a part of our conceptual framework 189 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:43,360 for life and for the natural earth human system, but 190 00:10:43,399 --> 00:10:45,320 it's real and people know it, and I think so 191 00:10:45,639 --> 00:10:48,879 we're sliding in that direction. I think, if anything, elements 192 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:51,879 of the DoD or the IC or the Legacy program 193 00:10:51,879 --> 00:10:54,720 as it's called, are digging in their heels, fighting tooth 194 00:10:54,759 --> 00:11:01,919 and nail, continuing efforts at misinformation and disinformation and attempting 195 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:06,919 to redirect and misdirect the conversation and the discourse. And 196 00:11:06,919 --> 00:11:09,639 that's why, you know, Brich, my work with you on 197 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:12,559 the UAP Summit and other things is so critical is 198 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:15,000 to get the public in a data driven, evidence based 199 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:16,960 conversation on UAP. And it's possible. 200 00:11:17,039 --> 00:11:20,799 Speaker 1: Now, I completely agree with that. So let's shift gears. 201 00:11:20,879 --> 00:11:24,799 Let's talk about the UAP Summit. Read what is the 202 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:26,840 summit and how did it come about? 203 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 2: Sure? 204 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 6: Well, the UAP Summit is a two day online conference 205 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:36,879 dedicated to advancing the science, technology, and policies surrounding UAP. 206 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:41,799 We're bringing together thirty world class experts on everything from 207 00:11:42,279 --> 00:11:48,240 technology and multi sensor detection, to science and media dialogue 208 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:52,399 and education in the public, to policymakers as well, to 209 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:54,879 look at, you know, how can we converge all of 210 00:11:54,919 --> 00:12:00,240 our capabilities, as as civilian, international science and recent search 211 00:12:00,399 --> 00:12:04,279 organizations to detect and track UAP and provide credible and 212 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:08,720 impactful data and analysis to the public and to decision makers. 213 00:12:09,639 --> 00:12:12,240 I think we have to ward off efforts by the 214 00:12:12,279 --> 00:12:16,600 DOW or the DoD to reaggregate the conversation, you know, 215 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:20,120 penetrate these organizations and see what they're learning, access their data, 216 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:24,240 secretize their findings, put them under classification and NBA requirements. 217 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:27,519 We have to ward that effort off and begin to 218 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:32,759 gather this nascent citizen coalition of the educated and the 219 00:12:32,799 --> 00:12:35,919 willing to go out into the field and to technically 220 00:12:36,279 --> 00:12:41,559 detect UAP and corroborate those findings with high impact testimony 221 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:45,200 from first responders and homeland security professionals. So during the summit, 222 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:48,399 we're going to have thirty different speakers, fourteen sessions, three 223 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:53,000 panels with individuals experts on all of those topics. And 224 00:12:53,639 --> 00:12:56,440 we're at the center of the summit focusing on the 225 00:12:56,720 --> 00:13:00,720 roughly ten or so groups internationally who are currently or 226 00:13:00,799 --> 00:13:04,039 soon to be out in the field detecting UAP and 227 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:07,120 providing that data to the public. And so we have 228 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:10,120 a lot of exciting outcomes from the summit that we're 229 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:12,480 working on which we can get into, but to a 230 00:13:12,519 --> 00:13:15,960 two day event, spots are limited, and where we've got 231 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:19,120 amazing participants already registering for the summit to take part 232 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:21,320 in it. So highly recommend people be part of the 233 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:23,759 conversation and we'll. 234 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:25,519 Speaker 1: Get into some of those participants and what's on the 235 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:28,039 program here in a minute. Rich What are some of 236 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:32,440 the challenges facing the community when it comes to detection 237 00:13:33,039 --> 00:13:38,720 field observation and collaboration between civilian and these these sort 238 00:13:38,759 --> 00:13:43,600 of nonprofit groups that could lead to real scientific breakthroughs 239 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:44,279 on UAP. 240 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:48,759 Speaker 5: We'd love a phenomena that we knew where it was 241 00:13:48,799 --> 00:13:52,200 going to appear, when it was going to appear, that 242 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:55,759 we get actually position equipment, you know, and everything else there. 243 00:13:55,879 --> 00:13:58,440 The problem has been with the phenomena is that it's 244 00:13:58,519 --> 00:14:02,720 so it's a rare phenomena. There's a lot of misidentifications 245 00:14:02,759 --> 00:14:05,480 throughout you that I dealt with. I mean, I saw 246 00:14:05,519 --> 00:14:11,360 all the time people were misidentifying planets, stars, everything you 247 00:14:11,399 --> 00:14:13,960 can think of. Drones now have come into the mix, 248 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:16,080 and that's adding into the mix in terms of just 249 00:14:16,159 --> 00:14:17,000 the sheer. 250 00:14:16,879 --> 00:14:18,200 Speaker 4: Mistakes that people make. 251 00:14:18,799 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 5: But there is a real phenomena, and it's about when 252 00:14:21,279 --> 00:14:23,799 do you get that real phenomena. And the problem we've 253 00:14:23,799 --> 00:14:28,679 had with the is that again, having the right equipment 254 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:32,720 or many pieces of equipment at a given location at 255 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:35,039 a time where an event is going to take place, 256 00:14:35,559 --> 00:14:38,679 is the most challenging and daunting of all the different 257 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:42,360 things we got going on, So that is really really important. 258 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:45,039 The next thing is also the fact that, as you 259 00:14:45,159 --> 00:14:47,279 very well know, you can have all kinds of problems 260 00:14:47,279 --> 00:14:51,440 with equipment. Equipment if it's not calibrated properly or if 261 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:55,039 it's not set right where if there's interference can cause. 262 00:14:54,759 --> 00:14:56,399 Speaker 4: All kinds of challenges as well. 263 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:59,759 Speaker 5: You can get misidentifications from interference. 264 00:15:00,159 --> 00:15:04,559 Speaker 4: We've seen that happen numerous times. So it's also. 265 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:07,639 Speaker 5: About getting you know, like, let me give you an example. 266 00:15:08,759 --> 00:15:13,399 Most people report the fact that UFOs or UAP are silent, Well, 267 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:16,159 do you have something that can hear above the human 268 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:18,039 range of hearing or below it? 269 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 4: And do you have that kind of equipment? 270 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:22,919 Speaker 5: And not necessarily the case that we have that so 271 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:25,559 are they making noises we just can't hear because we're 272 00:15:25,559 --> 00:15:29,559 not registering them. We're just starting to get technologies that 273 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:32,240 are capable of going out and seeing these things in 274 00:15:32,279 --> 00:15:35,600 other parts of the electromagnetic spectrum. You know, we're starting 275 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:39,639 to see ir images we have like those kinds of things, 276 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:43,159 but we're still new at interpreting what that's supposed to 277 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:46,279 look like on that IR reading that we're getting. And 278 00:15:46,399 --> 00:15:49,639 there's also some challenges you have to understand about even 279 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:54,840 that IR technology it might have sensors can also detect 280 00:15:54,879 --> 00:15:58,960 things that are necessarily like I talk with Randy Bostik, 281 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:03,000 who is was formerly with aerow Right, and him and 282 00:16:03,039 --> 00:16:05,200 I met in Dayton, Ohio, and he was telling me 283 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:07,919 about a case where they had sensors that were seeing 284 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:11,120 some unusual behavior, but it turned out when they found 285 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:14,039 out it was aircraft that were over three hundred miles 286 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:19,679 away that were somehow being detected by these sensors. And 287 00:16:19,759 --> 00:16:21,759 you're just finding out that you have to understand the 288 00:16:21,879 --> 00:16:24,759 sensors and even the distance that they might be able 289 00:16:24,759 --> 00:16:27,879 to register things. So I'm just telling you that there's 290 00:16:27,919 --> 00:16:30,879 technology challenges like that that we have to work through. 291 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:34,200 And then plus it's about getting all those things linked 292 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:37,519 up to have multimodal kinds of technology to be able 293 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:40,200 to see these things and in those other carts the 294 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:44,559 parts of the spectrum and getting away from the blurry photographs. 295 00:16:43,919 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 4: That we all want to see and that people talk about, Oh, 296 00:16:46,919 --> 00:16:50,480 that's a blurry object. Right, Well, my god, cameras. 297 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:52,679 Speaker 5: You know, you've now got ISOs that are in the 298 00:16:52,759 --> 00:16:56,200 millions where you can make night look like day. You 299 00:16:56,320 --> 00:17:00,000 also have cameras that can shoot a thousand frames as 300 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:04,119 second and can now see that instantaneous acceleration that's going 301 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:07,359 on with that craft and see it. So we've got 302 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:10,200 to get those kinds of technologies, and they cost a 303 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:12,640 lot of money, but we have to get those things 304 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:15,880 positioned out in a place where we're wanting to happen. 305 00:17:16,039 --> 00:17:18,200 Hopefully that will have an event happen. 306 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:23,599 Speaker 1: You know, talking about things outside of outside of human 307 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:26,279 hearing range. I think my wife's voice falls into that 308 00:17:26,759 --> 00:17:30,319 into that area. But joking aside, I mean, you know, 309 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:34,799 Rich One of the challenges, it seems is that in 310 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:39,000 terms of seeing real evidence from the government, one thing 311 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:42,759 that they constantly fall back on is, it seems to me, 312 00:17:43,319 --> 00:17:48,519 is that footage, sensor data it's all classified. So everything 313 00:17:48,559 --> 00:17:52,359 that they have, because it's all in this censor bucket 314 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:56,759 or data bucket that is all classified. It seems like 315 00:17:56,839 --> 00:18:00,079 that's perhaps one of the reasons that the only thing 316 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:01,799 that we've really seen come out of the government or 317 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:06,279 just a handful of videos. Do you think this effort 318 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:10,559 by independent scientists and organizations not related to the government, 319 00:18:10,799 --> 00:18:11,759 does that help. 320 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:17,400 Speaker 2: Potentially fill in that data gap without a doubt. 321 00:18:17,839 --> 00:18:19,559 Speaker 4: So let me give you an example of what you're 322 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:20,680 exactly what you're saying. 323 00:18:21,039 --> 00:18:23,920 Speaker 5: Like, when we looked at the Aguadilla case that was 324 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:26,960 in Puerto Rico, that was that video, we were trying 325 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:27,960 to study. 326 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:29,319 Speaker 4: That and see what we could find out. 327 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:32,880 Speaker 5: Well, first akia to understand we had to understand is 328 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:33,640 this like not. 329 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:34,440 Speaker 4: A fake thing? 330 00:18:34,599 --> 00:18:36,720 Speaker 5: So it was there a really an aircraft there. We 331 00:18:37,079 --> 00:18:39,839 looked at the transponder data we got that we found 332 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:43,160 out it was a legitimate military aircraft that was taking off. 333 00:18:43,519 --> 00:18:45,480 And then the next thing is you're looking at IR 334 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:48,039 because they turned the camera on and you're suddenly seeing 335 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:50,680 what it looks like an IR And then you're trying 336 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:53,359 to interpret things like the distance of the object away 337 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:56,200 from the camera, and you know, there's a whole lot 338 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:59,599 of metadata that's around the actual the video that we 339 00:18:59,599 --> 00:19:03,240 looked at. We broke it into over two thousand, three 340 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:07,599 twenty seven frames or something of that nature, and looked 341 00:19:07,599 --> 00:19:09,559 at individual frames and down to the pixel. 342 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:12,359 Speaker 4: We found out who the maker of the camera was. 343 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:14,119 It was a Westcam camera. 344 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:17,400 Speaker 5: That's a Canadian based company that's working with L three, 345 00:19:18,039 --> 00:19:21,759 and we tried to get all of the engineering spec data. 346 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 4: So we wrote to L three, do you think that 347 00:19:24,519 --> 00:19:26,519 they would cough it out? No? I mean they're not 348 00:19:26,519 --> 00:19:28,079 going to cough up you know. 349 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:30,680 Speaker 5: First off, you're going to tell me about your your 350 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:33,559 proprietary piece of equipment, all the wonderful things that. 351 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 4: I need to be able to do to do that. Right, So, 352 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:39,160 were they open and transparent as a company. 353 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:41,920 Speaker 5: No, they weren't open and transparent with us, and so 354 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:44,039 we had to then go and work with what little 355 00:19:44,039 --> 00:19:47,000 we could get on that. Right now, you work in 356 00:19:47,039 --> 00:19:50,640 the DoD, if you have these cameras and things like that, 357 00:19:50,839 --> 00:19:52,960 there are specs that you can go to to. 358 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:54,039 Speaker 4: Get that kind of data. 359 00:19:54,559 --> 00:19:57,440 Speaker 5: You can get all kinds of things about that. So 360 00:19:57,480 --> 00:19:59,319 they have a little bit more ability to be able 361 00:19:59,319 --> 00:20:02,359 to get that and to get that defense contractor to 362 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:06,359 cough up information than we do out in the public world. 363 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:08,319 Speaker 4: But break break. 364 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:11,160 Speaker 5: Now you've got the public out there getting that same 365 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:14,799 level kinds of equipment to some extent, and they can 366 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:16,319 get that information. 367 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:18,079 Speaker 4: From the company or whatever like that. 368 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:20,119 Speaker 5: And so we have a better chance of getting In fact, 369 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:23,160 they're developing a lot of the equipment themselves and so 370 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:25,400 they have a better understanding of it. So we're going 371 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:28,400 to be able to compete on a different level because 372 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:30,400 we're going to be able to get more data and 373 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:32,000 understand the equipment that we're using. 374 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:34,119 Speaker 2: I absolutely love that. 375 00:20:34,279 --> 00:20:38,640 Speaker 1: Now read there is a really pretty impressive lineup of 376 00:20:38,759 --> 00:20:43,799 speakers and programs at the UAP summit. Why don't you both, 377 00:20:43,799 --> 00:20:46,400 if you wish, you know, walk us through sort of 378 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:48,200 what the folks at home can expect. 379 00:20:49,319 --> 00:20:53,759 Speaker 6: Yeah, sure, yep, we've got great talks and really compelling 380 00:20:53,799 --> 00:20:55,880 sessions lined up. You know, a lot of this is 381 00:20:56,599 --> 00:20:59,720 built on this fundamental premise that at this point in 382 00:20:59,759 --> 00:21:02,920 the conversation on UAP, it's really data as the driver. 383 00:21:03,519 --> 00:21:06,640 Data is the foundational you know, a forcing function for 384 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:10,200 disclosure and data comes from detection. If you can't detect, 385 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:13,400 you can't situate yourself in this domain. You can't understand 386 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:18,559 the potential interactive patterns, flight patterns, possible signaling, communication or 387 00:21:18,559 --> 00:21:21,279 interference that might be taking place. So detection is the beginning, 388 00:21:21,519 --> 00:21:23,599 and of course the idea is to layer that with 389 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:27,240 multiple sources of data, including testimonial data, So just to 390 00:21:27,319 --> 00:21:30,359 land that point. But yes, going over to the program, 391 00:21:30,519 --> 00:21:33,799 we're going to begin with a talk by Congressman Eric 392 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:37,440 Burlison and Matt you'll be m seeing that conversation, very 393 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:40,160 excited for that. And Eric Burlsen will be talking about 394 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:43,880 the current state of UAP from a congressional perspective, both 395 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:46,440 in terms of what Congress is being told and the 396 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:52,720 current state of the bipartisan push to challenge the overclassification 397 00:21:52,759 --> 00:21:56,839 of the issue and present transparent and credible findings to 398 00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:59,079 the public. So that's really important to set the stage. 399 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:03,119 Then we have Richard Dolan, one of the key historians 400 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:08,759 of the UAP UFO phenomenon, talking about USO's unidentified submerged objects, 401 00:22:08,799 --> 00:22:13,359 which is a very poorly understood, poorly analyzed topic. And 402 00:22:13,559 --> 00:22:16,119 also the maritime domain is one in which we have 403 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:19,480 very poor sensing capabilities. So the OAP Stommach is going 404 00:22:19,519 --> 00:22:22,079 to be kind of pointing all ships in some of 405 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:25,720 these key directions to drive forward and move the ball 406 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:30,000 yard by yard down the field on this key variable 407 00:22:30,039 --> 00:22:33,039 of detection, whether it's in the air, in the sea, 408 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:35,559 or in the near space domain. So Richard Dolan will 409 00:22:35,559 --> 00:22:37,559 be giving more of a historical look back on the 410 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:41,480 USO phenomenon, calling out some key cases that really highlight 411 00:22:42,079 --> 00:22:44,960 both our capabilities to detect in the maritime and also 412 00:22:45,039 --> 00:22:49,079 the deficits. And then moving on, we have a session 413 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:53,200 on Homeland security and first Responders m seeing that and 414 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:56,559 also presenting will be Monica alanist Nick Klaus, who released 415 00:22:57,279 --> 00:23:01,119 through the Major Cities Police Chief Organization this UAP Guide 416 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:04,480 for Law Enforcement Agencies that came out earlier in twenty 417 00:23:04,519 --> 00:23:07,400 twenty five, which was an amazing piece. It's out in 418 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:09,559 and of itself and a sign that law enforcement is 419 00:23:09,559 --> 00:23:14,680 having to contend with reports and on site observations of 420 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,119 anomalous craft and they have to be ready for that. 421 00:23:17,319 --> 00:23:20,039 And she'll make the point that law enforcement is often 422 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:23,319 really the first line of detection. They are the ones 423 00:23:23,559 --> 00:23:26,480 right there on site, eyes in the sky or talking 424 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,839 to people who have literally just had some kind of encounter, 425 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:33,519 and they're collecting mountains of potential testimonial data, but it's 426 00:23:33,559 --> 00:23:38,160 not being coalesced in any sort of federal or state 427 00:23:38,279 --> 00:23:41,480 or multi agency capture system yet, but should be talking 428 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:44,200 about how we can begin to do that so that 429 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:47,039 we're collecting all this valuable data. And then we have 430 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:51,440 Ryan Graves and Michael Lembeck Ryan of Americans for Safe Aerospace. 431 00:23:51,599 --> 00:23:56,160 Ryan and Michael are also on the AIAA task Force 432 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:59,960 on UAP, and they'll be talking about aviation safety, pilot 433 00:24:00,079 --> 00:24:04,759 reporting networks and some of the new technological kind of 434 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:08,680 capabilities that could be deployed in the cockpit on commercial 435 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:13,119 airliners to detect UAP again to corroborate what pilots are reporting, 436 00:24:13,319 --> 00:24:16,759 which is when you hear these reports from pilots, trained 437 00:24:16,799 --> 00:24:20,200 aviation professionals with thousands of hours in the air, with 438 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:24,319 an airplane full of passengers, with regulation and law and 439 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:27,079 all these systems governing how they fly, and they're making 440 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:31,319 an observation of an anomalous disc stationary out in the 441 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:35,200 distance or an or buzzing the aircraft, that's we have 442 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:38,440 to take that seriously. We cannot dismiss that kind of reporting. 443 00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:42,400 And you know there are indications. I just interviewed James 444 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:46,359 Fowler on my podcast Emergent last week and he shared 445 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:51,680 how there are numerous observations now of UAP tagging commercial 446 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:55,599 airliners and potentially interacting with them in the air at 447 00:24:55,759 --> 00:25:00,000 very close proximity, well within the safe pocket that's mandated 448 00:25:00,559 --> 00:25:03,839 by the FAA regarding you know, commercial commercial flight and 449 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:06,480 how close planes should be to each other. So there's 450 00:25:06,519 --> 00:25:10,279 real flight safety risk, there's public safety risk, there are 451 00:25:10,319 --> 00:25:15,160 psychological and physiological effects observed from UAP, and so the 452 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:17,039 first four sessions of the summit are really going to 453 00:25:17,079 --> 00:25:20,440 dive into all of that, and then we go into 454 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:23,440 the current capabilities to detect and track UAP. We have 455 00:25:23,599 --> 00:25:26,599 six different groups who are either already in the field 456 00:25:26,759 --> 00:25:32,400 detecting UAP, attempting to, or who have basically put forward 457 00:25:33,039 --> 00:25:36,279 a concept and are and are getting it funded and deployed. 458 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:38,480 So we'll be learning about, you know, what are they 459 00:25:38,519 --> 00:25:43,279 able to detect at what elevation, with what kinematic behavior 460 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:49,119 right in what sort of you know, multi sensor detection regimes? 461 00:25:49,279 --> 00:25:52,359 Right can it be corroborated by multiple sensors? So I'm 462 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,680 not a technologist or a scientist myself, so I play 463 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:57,839 a part in creating the summit because I am truly 464 00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:01,319 curious as to what our current capability is to observe 465 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,720 the sky and to present data to the public that's 466 00:26:04,759 --> 00:26:07,240 not you know, within classified systems and so forth. So 467 00:26:07,279 --> 00:26:10,599 I'm very curious to attend these sessions myself and see 468 00:26:10,599 --> 00:26:13,640 what these groups are capable of doing. We're going to 469 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,680 have a talk by John and Jerry Tedesco on their 470 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:20,039 frontline insights out in the field in the New Jersey 471 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:24,559 area with their Nightcrawler RV kitted out with all of 472 00:26:24,599 --> 00:26:28,960 these amazing sensor technologies, and so they're doing the public 473 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:32,599 a good service by just being capable technical observers and 474 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:34,799 presenting their findings publicly. They're actually going to be on 475 00:26:34,839 --> 00:26:36,359 a Mergent in a couple of days as well, so 476 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:40,559 I'll get the conversation started with them, and then the 477 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:44,319 day after, on day two of the summit, Richard Dolan 478 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:48,200 will be moderating an international panel of experts on detection 479 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:52,519 and tracking globally, so we'll be learning a little bit 480 00:26:52,559 --> 00:26:56,480 about what's happening in primarily Europe. Felipe Belaris of the 481 00:26:56,519 --> 00:27:00,720 European Space Agency, you'll be talking about some proposed efforts 482 00:27:00,759 --> 00:27:05,359 within the ESA to detect UAP potentially from space based platforms, 483 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:09,039 which might actually be very important for USO detection to 484 00:27:09,079 --> 00:27:13,640 do so from space looking down and then oh my gosh, 485 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:15,319 to move through it all if you'd like, I guess 486 00:27:15,559 --> 00:27:19,160 we've got citizen reporting networks and the data infrastructure being 487 00:27:20,079 --> 00:27:24,880 built and sustained by Mofon, by Koufos, the Center for 488 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:29,440 UFO Studies, as well as Newfork, the National UFO Reporting Center, 489 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:34,759 which remains the destination for people to report UAP through 490 00:27:34,799 --> 00:27:38,720 law enforcement and first responder channels. Now, of course, the 491 00:27:38,759 --> 00:27:41,519 conversation that we'd like to get going as well, how 492 00:27:41,599 --> 00:27:45,319 do we make a better centralized reporting system? Is there 493 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:49,440 a centralization effort that's possible among all these different data 494 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:52,640 collecting groups, and Rich, you and I have talked extensively 495 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:58,519 about the challenge of everything from interoperability and characterization of 496 00:27:58,559 --> 00:28:02,640 the technologies, to data hygiene as well as to trust. 497 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:03,480 Speaker 4: And trust is a. 498 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:07,480 Speaker 6: Big issue in the community, not not least of which 499 00:28:07,559 --> 00:28:12,240 because there are powerful federal I see and defense groups 500 00:28:12,279 --> 00:28:14,440 and organizations that seem to have skin in the game 501 00:28:14,519 --> 00:28:17,200 and want to kind of shift the way this is. 502 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,480 This is being detected and so to my knowledge, there 503 00:28:20,519 --> 00:28:22,400 may not have been an effort to really coalesce this 504 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:27,519 coalition and to converge findings and centralized data. But that 505 00:28:27,599 --> 00:28:29,160 is a topic we're going to bring up. And Rich, 506 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:30,400 I know you have a lot to say on it. 507 00:28:31,039 --> 00:28:32,839 Speaker 5: I just let me add one thing, and that is that, 508 00:28:33,079 --> 00:28:35,839 you know, the big time is you can get a 509 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,680 lot of data, but it's crunching the data and it's 510 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,160 actually looking and sifting through the data to actually see 511 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,880 if you've got something or not right, and that takes 512 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:45,240 a lot of time, a lot of energy. 513 00:28:45,599 --> 00:28:48,720 Speaker 4: When we looked at the Aguadilla video, for example. 514 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:51,039 Speaker 5: It's a three minute, you know, and fifty four second video, 515 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:55,119 we spent two years analyzing that thing. Right When we 516 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,119 looked at the Nimets thing, we took a year and 517 00:28:57,119 --> 00:28:59,039 a half to go and actually look at that knimt 518 00:28:59,119 --> 00:29:01,880 skin and to do all the calculations and the physics 519 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,079 and everything else that was required to put that together. 520 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,000 That takes time, and it takes an effort on the 521 00:29:07,039 --> 00:29:09,680 part of some very sincere people to be able to 522 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,960 dig through that right and right now, if you think 523 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,319 about if we start getting all this wonderful data, which 524 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,640 right now is stove piped all over the place. 525 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,039 Speaker 4: In other words, nobody's bringing it all together. 526 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 5: There's no do you have a collective group of scientists 527 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,359 that are looking at all that wonderful hypothetical data that's 528 00:29:26,359 --> 00:29:26,960 out there at no. 529 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:29,960 Speaker 4: And then we get to publish. 530 00:29:30,839 --> 00:29:33,279 Speaker 5: Is there a common repository or a portal I can 531 00:29:33,279 --> 00:29:35,440 go to where I can actually publish it and the 532 00:29:35,559 --> 00:29:39,799 entire research community can do that. No, we could barely 533 00:29:39,839 --> 00:29:44,039 get some sort of paper of articles into journals because 534 00:29:44,039 --> 00:29:47,559 of the pushback you get from certain skeptics or groups 535 00:29:47,599 --> 00:29:49,079 and that will want to push. 536 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:49,839 Speaker 4: Back on those things. 537 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:54,079 Speaker 5: Right, So ultimately it's a big challenge. But nobody has 538 00:29:54,119 --> 00:29:56,880 been addressing that big challenge, and it's time that we 539 00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,720 do it. And that's why I'm so behind the summit 540 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:03,920 that it's ridiculous, because you know, I mean, my god, 541 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:06,839 we needed this like sixty years ago when I got started, 542 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:10,279 and we now are finally getting it. 543 00:30:10,359 --> 00:30:12,200 Speaker 4: So I'm excited that it's finally happening. 544 00:30:13,079 --> 00:30:15,160 Speaker 6: Yeah, it was so important, you know. I think another 545 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:18,799 output from the summit might be an effort to truly 546 00:30:21,279 --> 00:30:25,720 kind of scientifically characterize the detectable signatures of UAP as 547 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,759 well as the technologies that would be required to sense 548 00:30:28,839 --> 00:30:33,000 those signatures, and some sort of characterization effort that then 549 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,440 all these different groups can begin to kind of shift 550 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:39,279 and comport their their efforts to so no one's competing, 551 00:30:39,319 --> 00:30:42,440 everyone's doing it in a different way. But the findings 552 00:30:42,519 --> 00:30:46,440 will will be much more interoperable than so stovepiped as 553 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:50,519 they are so very exciting work. Just to move through 554 00:30:50,559 --> 00:30:53,319 the sessions of day two, we have doctor Gary Nolan 555 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:57,119 presenting on the current status of Skywatcher as they move 556 00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:01,160 through their discovery framework. And I know guy Watcher is 557 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:05,720 dealing with the challenge of taking field based observational data 558 00:31:06,039 --> 00:31:10,319 right made with everything from you know, electro optical you know, 559 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:16,000 PTZ cameras, et cetera, and binoculars, trained observers capturing observational data. 560 00:31:16,039 --> 00:31:19,519 How do you bring that into a scientific framework in 561 00:31:19,559 --> 00:31:24,079 which you generate scientifically valid, falsifiable, peer reviewable data. Right, 562 00:31:24,079 --> 00:31:26,839 It's a challenge, So how do you bridge that? Golf 563 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,799 look forward to hearing what doctor Gary Nolan has to say, 564 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:31,920 and then Matt, you and I are on a panel 565 00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,319 with Chrissy Newton and Kevin Wright to talk about UAP 566 00:31:34,519 --> 00:31:39,119 and society, media education and how to educate and engage 567 00:31:39,119 --> 00:31:43,720 the public in this emerging discourse that's built upon evidence 568 00:31:43,839 --> 00:31:47,799 and data as the key driver. We'll also have a 569 00:31:47,839 --> 00:31:53,400 Foundation's a scientific Foundations panel with scientists from across across 570 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:55,839 the board who can talk about you know, how do 571 00:31:55,880 --> 00:32:00,720 we do scientific analysis upon this field based observ data. 572 00:32:00,799 --> 00:32:03,279 So I look forward to that we have more groups 573 00:32:03,319 --> 00:32:07,559 presenting on their current capabilities for UAP detection and tracking. 574 00:32:08,359 --> 00:32:10,440 And then to close out the summit, we have James 575 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:14,240 Fowler giving his strategic insights from his time in the 576 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:18,640 Department of Defense running war games and making some of 577 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,640 the initial observations of UAP that gave rise to what 578 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:23,759 it is now called the quote dog whistle or the 579 00:32:23,799 --> 00:32:28,880 mechanical signaling approach that might be able to cause UAP 580 00:32:29,519 --> 00:32:32,279 to come into the vicinity and become more proximal subs 581 00:32:32,279 --> 00:32:35,559 that we can capture better data. And then, of course 582 00:32:35,759 --> 00:32:37,599 Rich and I will close out the summit on the 583 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,960 ending on the closing stage along with Adam Yingling. Adam 584 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:45,480 is our data specialist. He's a lead in a NASCA 585 00:32:45,559 --> 00:32:48,839 division and he is an aerospace engineer, so he's going 586 00:32:48,839 --> 00:32:50,920 to have a lot to say on data. Rich, you 587 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:53,799 have a lot to say on the technology piece. I'm 588 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:55,599 just here to help make it happen and bring it 589 00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,519 all together. I am not an expert in any of this, 590 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,720 so I'm a learner. Look forward to sitting there with 591 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:03,480 the audience and seeing what we can what we can 592 00:33:03,599 --> 00:33:04,759 learn and how we can advance this. 593 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,799 Speaker 1: I love that so rich given the ongoing lack of 594 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:12,240 government transparency, would you agree that the summit is really 595 00:33:12,279 --> 00:33:14,759 happening at exactly the right time? 596 00:33:16,079 --> 00:33:17,119 Speaker 4: I do agree, Matt. 597 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,359 Speaker 5: I think that the more that we can keep this 598 00:33:19,799 --> 00:33:21,480 in front of the public. 599 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:24,000 Speaker 4: The better. I think that. Let me let me also 600 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:25,400 just put it the one way. 601 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:27,279 Speaker 5: What we found from talking with a lot of the 602 00:33:27,319 --> 00:33:30,160 politicians is that they're in the dark on this subject too, 603 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:34,200 and just they're early, they're they're learning, you know, and 604 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:37,559 so the more that we can provide them good information, 605 00:33:37,799 --> 00:33:41,319 you know, like our limits findings, by the way, made 606 00:33:41,319 --> 00:33:43,599 it up on the hill thanks to uh, you know, 607 00:33:44,119 --> 00:33:46,279 Chris Mellen and a whole bunch of others that helped 608 00:33:46,279 --> 00:33:46,920 got it up on the. 609 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:47,640 Speaker 4: Hill, right. 610 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,920 Speaker 5: So you know, I think that academia out there is 611 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,559 now starting to engage. We've got a number of universities 612 00:33:53,559 --> 00:33:56,240 that are suddenly engaged in the topic, and actually research 613 00:33:56,319 --> 00:33:59,440 funding is available for them. A university of all money 614 00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:02,400 comes to mind. University of Wurtzburg and Germany is also 615 00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:05,119 doing it. You have Rice University. It's playing a part 616 00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:08,039 in the subject, and a lot more so, what I'm 617 00:34:08,039 --> 00:34:10,199 trying to say is that the more that we can 618 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,440 keep this in front of the public and provide them 619 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,559 with this at the same time also keep educating the 620 00:34:15,559 --> 00:34:19,360 government politicians on it and making them better, then we 621 00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:22,199 can get this like you know, synergy, if you would, 622 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:25,159 that's going to help to push forward where we need 623 00:34:25,159 --> 00:34:28,599 to be finally, you know, And so I just I'm 624 00:34:28,639 --> 00:34:31,800 extremely like I said, I'm at the point where I'm 625 00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:35,480 just you know, excited about all the things that are 626 00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,760 going on and the fact that this event is happening 627 00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:42,679 finally is you know, like I said, it's long overdue, 628 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,320 and so I'm encouraged that we're going to get all 629 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,679 these technologists together to be able to talk. We're going 630 00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:49,559 to figure out how we can deal with data, how 631 00:34:49,559 --> 00:34:51,719 we can get it researched and studied, and how we 632 00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:55,360 can get it published the public. And you know, I'm 633 00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,920 I'm jumping up and down. Sorry, it's hard for me 634 00:34:58,960 --> 00:34:59,880 to sit in my seat. 635 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:04,119 Speaker 7: Yeah, if I feel it's tag on, please to that 636 00:35:04,199 --> 00:35:07,159 excitement and also add a few more kind of variables 637 00:35:07,199 --> 00:35:09,880 to this moment of singularity that I described, which is 638 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:11,079 really compelling the summit. 639 00:35:11,599 --> 00:35:16,039 Speaker 6: You know, We're also at the singularity of potential generative AI, 640 00:35:16,639 --> 00:35:20,760 basically making UAP photo and video a non thing, making 641 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:24,440 it absolutely no providance, no veracity in the public's mind 642 00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,599 and I and the public is being increasingly desensitized to 643 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:32,320 fake UAP footage. So this summit is going to attempt 644 00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:35,280 to characterize what it would take to create something of 645 00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:40,119 a trust signature, to to to a high trust, you know, 646 00:35:40,199 --> 00:35:44,400 way of describing what high credence, high veracity footage would 647 00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:47,079 be of UAP, because that is what the public is 648 00:35:47,119 --> 00:35:49,079 going to pay attention to most. They want to see 649 00:35:49,079 --> 00:35:51,199 it in the sky, and it's going to potentially be 650 00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:53,800 possible to do that. But in a world where AI 651 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:57,079 is taking over, you know, the airwaves and the social networks, 652 00:35:57,079 --> 00:36:00,639 it's going to be increasingly challenging. We're also an environment 653 00:36:00,679 --> 00:36:01,599 If I go. 654 00:36:01,559 --> 00:36:03,639 Speaker 4: Ahead, Rich No, I'm just going to comment real quick 655 00:36:03,679 --> 00:36:04,559 on the AI piece. 656 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:06,840 Speaker 5: I'm on a show called The Proof is out there 657 00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,199 on History Channel, and I've been on it for the 658 00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:11,400 last five seasons, in a monthing for six and they 659 00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:13,960 want to they provide me with these videos that they 660 00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,079 want me to look at and try to analyze. And 661 00:36:16,119 --> 00:36:19,079 I pointed out on the show very clearly that it's 662 00:36:19,079 --> 00:36:22,280 getting more and more difficult to research any video because 663 00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:23,239 of the level that. 664 00:36:23,119 --> 00:36:26,760 Speaker 4: AI has now introduced into this mix. And so you 665 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:27,320 have a. 666 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:30,679 Speaker 5: Tremendous there's all our like six million videos I think 667 00:36:30,679 --> 00:36:33,840 out on YouTube that are just all you know, all 668 00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:37,679 of the board that are largely fakes, that are constructed 669 00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:41,639 using all the digital wonderful world, the CG and all 670 00:36:41,679 --> 00:36:45,159 that other stuff, and it's getting extremely more and more 671 00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:50,639 difficult for researchers or study or investigators to actually discern. 672 00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,119 Speaker 4: What's AI and what is not AI. 673 00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,320 Speaker 5: So you're spot on and saying AI can be a 674 00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:57,760 good thing for us, and it could also be a 675 00:36:57,800 --> 00:36:58,840 bad thing for us. 676 00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:00,920 Speaker 4: So we've got to figure out how we can do 677 00:37:01,079 --> 00:37:02,880 with the good thing. 678 00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:06,239 Speaker 6: Yeah, it benefit is that, you know, I'm just looking 679 00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,800 at you know, there's three hundred thousand cases case centries 680 00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:11,159 in the Kufos database, one hundred and thirty five thousand 681 00:37:11,199 --> 00:37:14,239 in a mof On Aquarius database, one hundred and fifty 682 00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:17,639 three thousand lines in the new Fork database. Imagining running 683 00:37:17,679 --> 00:37:21,800 a systematic machine learning AI driven analysis of this data 684 00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:24,199 and all of the real time data coming in from 685 00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:29,559 either Mitch Randall SkyWatch Project Estellin Skywatcher, et cetera. God, 686 00:37:29,599 --> 00:37:32,559 we could create real time insight now into the phenomenon. 687 00:37:33,119 --> 00:37:36,480 Speaker 2: I love that. Well, Rich Read, Rich, thanks for joining us. Read. 688 00:37:36,519 --> 00:37:39,320 How can folks at home attend this summit? 689 00:37:40,559 --> 00:37:43,880 Speaker 6: Simply go to uapsummit dot org. The register button is 690 00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:46,119 right there. I think we can get a promo code 691 00:37:46,119 --> 00:37:48,199 out to folks to help them get in the room. 692 00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:48,719 Speaker 4: Again. 693 00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:54,480 Speaker 6: We want people from all over all sectors of society, academia, engineering, government, 694 00:37:54,559 --> 00:37:58,559 non governmental, intergovernmental, So really encourage people to attend. You'll 695 00:37:58,559 --> 00:38:01,079 have instant access to the recording as well, long before 696 00:38:01,119 --> 00:38:03,599 they flow out to the public, which they ultimately will, 697 00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,079 and you'll have a chance to chat with all of 698 00:38:06,119 --> 00:38:07,920 these amazing experts who will be in the space. 699 00:38:08,679 --> 00:38:11,079 Speaker 2: Awesome. Well, gentlemen, thanks for joining us, and I look 700 00:38:11,079 --> 00:38:13,599 forward to seeing you in a week from now. 701 00:38:15,039 --> 00:38:17,159 Speaker 4: Great. 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