Speaker 1: Hey everyone, I'm Matt Ford and welcome to the Good
Trouble Show. If you haven't heard by now, UAP otherwise
known as UFOs.
Speaker 2: Are a real thing.
Speaker 1: Government whistleblowers are coming forward and testifying to Congress that
UAP represent a serious national security issue. The Pentagon, however,
is well keeping what it knows tightly under wraps, including
a massive trove of.
Speaker 2: Evidence in its possession.
Speaker 1: Such as photographic and video footage, much of which has
not been shared with members of Congress, and that lack
of transparency is exactly why the first ever twenty twenty
six UAP Tracking and Detection Summit is happening.
Speaker 3: The maybe says it still doesn't know what the objects are.
Speaker 4: The minute you get eyes on them, they go dark.
Speaker 2: They must disclose more information to the public.
Speaker 3: Unidentified anomalist phenomena or UAP are being reported across air, sea,
and space domains. In the absence of verifiable data, misinformation
fills the gap. Explanations are lacking and often contradictory, leading
the public to ask what's really going on in our skies.
Recent Congressional testimony has raised urgent questions about UAP risks
to flight safety, lack of oversight and potential challenges to
national security are now being formally acknowledged by governments around
the world. It's becoming clear we can no longer ignore
the reality of UAP. But testimony alone is not enough.
We need the full capabilities of science and technology in
order to move from uncertainty to understanding. We need data.
The UAP Detection and Tracking Stomach convenes researchers, technologists, policymakers,
and informed citizens to build new capabilities to detect, track
and analyze UAP and gain critical understanding into the anomalist
objects and craft increasingly reported over our homes, cities, and
critical infrastructure. With calibrated instruments, coordinated field research, and transparent
scientific collaboration, we can detect and track anomalous objects and
generate the data needed to drive forward the disclosure of UAP.
The technology is available, the expertise is here. The capability
to understand what's in our skies is finally within reach.
We invite you to join us.
Speaker 2: Please welcome.
Speaker 1: On your left read Summers and on your right Rich Hoffman, gentlemen,
welcome to the show. I'd love for both of you
to tell our audience a bit about yourselves.
Speaker 2: And your organizations before we really jump into everything and Rich.
Speaker 1: Since this is your first time on the show, welcome,
let's start with you.
Speaker 5: Oh well great, thank you for having me on and
I appreciate your shows all. I've been at this for
sixty one years. I've been through many organizations. I started
out with NICAP. I was also a part of mof
on most of my time with that sixty one years.
I'm actually a lifetime member of them as well. I'm
also part of a board advisor with the Society for
UAP Studies and I'm definitely a board executive board officer
with the Scientific Coalition for UAP Studies and I've been
doing that since its inception in twenty seventeen.
Speaker 2: Fantastic Reed, Welcome back to the show.
Speaker 1: I think this is what your second time here, so yeah,
tell us For the folks not familiar with your work,
tell us about yourself and your organization.
Speaker 6: Sure. I'm the host of the Emergent podcast, where I
examined the emergent new potential interface between humanity and the
intelligence behind UAP Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena. I'm also directing strategy
for a research and policy think tank called the Human Institute,
which is working on designing solutions in the human interest
to contend with the challenges presented by the phenomenon and
to accelerate our human response to it. I'm also the
creator of a forthcoming strength of evidence scoring platform called
UFFO evidence dot Com, which is a very exciting new
tool that's going to be out in the public helping
the public move through evidence, rank evidence, better understand what
creates strong evidence, and so forth. And I am also
the lead convener of the UAP Summit, which is taking
place February.
Speaker 4: Seventh and eighth.
Speaker 1: Awesome, And we're going to jump into that for a minute,
but I want to run this by both of you.
I mean, I think at this point most people understand
that you know that there are things flying around in
our skies and that the government, you know, at a
very minimum, hasn't been fully transparent about this, this whole thing.
Speaker 2: The UAP issue.
Speaker 1: How prolific is this activity and are there any sort
of like indicators that the government may be moving toward
greater transparency on the issue. And Rich I'd love to
We'll start with you. What's your take on that.
Speaker 5: Well, I've got a kind of a long term perspective
on this. I was back in the Blue Book days,
you know, and I lived in Dayton, Ohio, which is
where Project blue Book was located at the time. So
I saw the basically how they handled it, and that
was like our first foreway with the government dealing with
the subject, right And you know, they for the most
part at that time, it was like they had a
bunch of people that were running around doing case investigations,
just collecting and filling out a form and then they
would go back and come up with the case conclusion.
Then I saw the death of the Blue Book and
you know, the National Academy of Scientists that we're seeing
that there's nothing to it, dismiss it and everything else,
push that forward through the dark ages of eupology, and
suddenly now you're dealing with this exposure in twenty seventeen
with the announcement in the New York Times. There's a
holistic change that's going on right now in the government
from back in my early days, where you suddenly have
a lot more conversations up on the hill, you have
a lot more conversations, you know, with politicians talking about
it and engaging it. You also have now an all
of government kind of organization.
Speaker 4: Called ARROW, which is allegedly supposed.
Speaker 5: To be looking at all of government kinds of things,
and they've been focusing on the military cases.
Speaker 4: And I think that that's pretty good that they're doing that.
Speaker 5: So what I've seen over my sixty some odd years
is an amazing amount of coming out of the woodwork
and now talking about it right and openly talking about
it and allegedly studying it.
Speaker 4: And what I'm going to tell you is that I
still see and I worked for thirty years with the
Department of the Army.
Speaker 5: I was with Army Material Command here in Huntsville, Alabama,
and I caught, you know, like the pushback on that.
Most of it was just a dismissal of the entire
subject from the military. But I started to see that
it was changing over a period of time where now
I could have hallway conversations with military people about UFOs
at the base. They were coming out and telling me
about their cases. So I've seen more transparency in that regard.
I've seen all the legislation coming down telling the organizations
and the military to report their sightings, which is also
very encouraging. So I'm very optimistic about the changes that
I've seen in terms of just the overall thing. Would
I like to see more Well, most definitely, I'd like
to see more, and I'd like to see a lot
more transparency. And I think that we've got to work
through all the issues with you know, the classification settings
on some of these things, because some things are overclassified,
and so I think that there's a need to be
able to be a more transparent with the public, even
about your procedures, how you're handling case investigations. I think
AERO could be way more transparent and that would allow
trust to happen a lot more.
Speaker 4: Do I think that they're doing a good job.
Speaker 5: With it, Well, you know, maybe, do I think that
there's a whole lot of like, you know, a lot
more pilots and things reporting their cases to them. I
don't think that that's necessarily the case. I think that
there's still a distrust of them doing that as well.
So you know, I'm kind of like saying I think
we ought to have more. I'm encouraging more. Do I
really believe the disclosure is right around the corner? No,
I've been hearing about.
Speaker 1: It for sixty years, that's right. I mean, you know,
read like when I look at this, like you'll hear
presidents such as former President Obama and others say yes,
there's something going on out there, But then it almost
feels like you we get these sort of mixed messages
out of the Pentagon, Yes you have Arrow, but then
they'll say the former Arrow director, doctor Sean Kirkpatrick, will
come out and say, oh, there's no evidence of extraterrestrials.
It just read it all always sort of seems like
a mixed bag. What are your thoughts on this? Do
you think that in general the trend is towards more
transparency on this issue from the government.
Speaker 6: I think the issue is moving, and the public is
engaged and is looking, and we're at a moment of
what you might call a singularity on the issue. I
think we're approaching that moment of singularity where there's enough
public eyes, public cameras on this guy's There are enough
individuals former military, DoD and IC coming forward as whistleblowers
with credible testimony to provide, and our capabilities technologically to
detect and track UAP are rising as well, as is
the prevalence of the phenomenon, and it is my understanding
that UAP activity is hockey sticking over the last few years,
and I think some of that is what we saw
in the mystery drone crises of twenty twenty four and
twenty five, not entirely, but there were some indications of
non prosaic craft as part of what with citizens we're seeing.
So we have crowded skis on the skis are not secure,
the skies are not under our control. We have complete
civilian blindness as to what's above our heads, above our
homes and cities and the critical infrastructure that keeps our
nation and states running. And that's not acceptable. It's not
acceptable to ignore you AP anymore. And I think the
public knows that. I have hundreds of UFO conversations all
the time with people out there in the public, and
the appetite and the curiosity, and also just this intrinsic,
almost like intuitive sense that there's a layer of reality
that we're now interacting with. We're observing it, we don't
understand it. It's not a part of our conceptual framework
for life and for the natural earth human system, but
it's real and people know it, and I think so
we're sliding in that direction. I think, if anything, elements
of the DoD or the IC or the Legacy program
as it's called, are digging in their heels, fighting tooth
and nail, continuing efforts at misinformation and disinformation and attempting
to redirect and misdirect the conversation and the discourse. And
that's why, you know, Brich, my work with you on
the UAP Summit and other things is so critical is
to get the public in a data driven, evidence based
conversation on UAP. And it's possible.
Speaker 1: Now, I completely agree with that. So let's shift gears.
Let's talk about the UAP Summit. Read what is the
summit and how did it come about?
Speaker 2: Sure?
Speaker 6: Well, the UAP Summit is a two day online conference
dedicated to advancing the science, technology, and policies surrounding UAP.
We're bringing together thirty world class experts on everything from
technology and multi sensor detection, to science and media dialogue
and education in the public, to policymakers as well, to
look at, you know, how can we converge all of
our capabilities, as as civilian, international science and recent search
organizations to detect and track UAP and provide credible and
impactful data and analysis to the public and to decision makers.
I think we have to ward off efforts by the
DOW or the DoD to reaggregate the conversation, you know,
penetrate these organizations and see what they're learning, access their data,
secretize their findings, put them under classification and NBA requirements.
We have to ward that effort off and begin to
gather this nascent citizen coalition of the educated and the
willing to go out into the field and to technically
detect UAP and corroborate those findings with high impact testimony
from first responders and homeland security professionals. So during the summit,
we're going to have thirty different speakers, fourteen sessions, three
panels with individuals experts on all of those topics. And
we're at the center of the summit focusing on the
roughly ten or so groups internationally who are currently or
soon to be out in the field detecting UAP and
providing that data to the public. And so we have
a lot of exciting outcomes from the summit that we're
working on which we can get into, but to a
two day event, spots are limited, and where we've got
amazing participants already registering for the summit to take part
in it. So highly recommend people be part of the
conversation and we'll.
Speaker 1: Get into some of those participants and what's on the
program here in a minute. Rich What are some of
the challenges facing the community when it comes to detection
field observation and collaboration between civilian and these these sort
of nonprofit groups that could lead to real scientific breakthroughs
on UAP.
Speaker 5: We'd love a phenomena that we knew where it was
going to appear, when it was going to appear, that
we get actually position equipment, you know, and everything else there.
The problem has been with the phenomena is that it's
so it's a rare phenomena. There's a lot of misidentifications
throughout you that I dealt with. I mean, I saw
all the time people were misidentifying planets, stars, everything you
can think of. Drones now have come into the mix,
and that's adding into the mix in terms of just
the sheer.
Speaker 4: Mistakes that people make.
Speaker 5: But there is a real phenomena, and it's about when
do you get that real phenomena. And the problem we've
had with the is that again, having the right equipment
or many pieces of equipment at a given location at
a time where an event is going to take place,
is the most challenging and daunting of all the different
things we got going on, So that is really really important.
The next thing is also the fact that, as you
very well know, you can have all kinds of problems
with equipment. Equipment if it's not calibrated properly or if
it's not set right where if there's interference can cause.
Speaker 4: All kinds of challenges as well.
Speaker 5: You can get misidentifications from interference.
Speaker 4: We've seen that happen numerous times. So it's also.
Speaker 5: About getting you know, like, let me give you an example.
Most people report the fact that UFOs or UAP are silent, Well,
do you have something that can hear above the human
range of hearing or below it?
Speaker 4: And do you have that kind of equipment?
Speaker 5: And not necessarily the case that we have that so
are they making noises we just can't hear because we're
not registering them. We're just starting to get technologies that
are capable of going out and seeing these things in
other parts of the electromagnetic spectrum. You know, we're starting
to see ir images we have like those kinds of things,
but we're still new at interpreting what that's supposed to
look like on that IR reading that we're getting. And
there's also some challenges you have to understand about even
that IR technology it might have sensors can also detect
things that are necessarily like I talk with Randy Bostik,
who is was formerly with aerow Right, and him and
I met in Dayton, Ohio, and he was telling me
about a case where they had sensors that were seeing
some unusual behavior, but it turned out when they found
out it was aircraft that were over three hundred miles
away that were somehow being detected by these sensors. And
you're just finding out that you have to understand the
sensors and even the distance that they might be able
to register things. So I'm just telling you that there's
technology challenges like that that we have to work through.
And then plus it's about getting all those things linked
up to have multimodal kinds of technology to be able
to see these things and in those other carts the
parts of the spectrum and getting away from the blurry photographs.
Speaker 4: That we all want to see and that people talk about, Oh,
that's a blurry object. Right, Well, my god, cameras.
Speaker 5: You know, you've now got ISOs that are in the
millions where you can make night look like day. You
also have cameras that can shoot a thousand frames as
second and can now see that instantaneous acceleration that's going
on with that craft and see it. So we've got
to get those kinds of technologies, and they cost a
lot of money, but we have to get those things
positioned out in a place where we're wanting to happen.
Hopefully that will have an event happen.
Speaker 1: You know, talking about things outside of outside of human
hearing range. I think my wife's voice falls into that
into that area. But joking aside, I mean, you know,
Rich One of the challenges, it seems is that in
terms of seeing real evidence from the government, one thing
that they constantly fall back on is, it seems to me,
is that footage, sensor data it's all classified. So everything
that they have, because it's all in this censor bucket
or data bucket that is all classified. It seems like
that's perhaps one of the reasons that the only thing
that we've really seen come out of the government or
just a handful of videos. Do you think this effort
by independent scientists and organizations not related to the government,
does that help.
Speaker 2: Potentially fill in that data gap without a doubt.
Speaker 4: So let me give you an example of what you're
exactly what you're saying.
Speaker 5: Like, when we looked at the Aguadilla case that was
in Puerto Rico, that was that video, we were trying
to study.
Speaker 4: That and see what we could find out.
Speaker 5: Well, first akia to understand we had to understand is
this like not.
Speaker 4: A fake thing?
Speaker 5: So it was there a really an aircraft there. We
looked at the transponder data we got that we found
out it was a legitimate military aircraft that was taking off.
And then the next thing is you're looking at IR
because they turned the camera on and you're suddenly seeing
what it looks like an IR And then you're trying
to interpret things like the distance of the object away
from the camera, and you know, there's a whole lot
of metadata that's around the actual the video that we
looked at. We broke it into over two thousand, three
twenty seven frames or something of that nature, and looked
at individual frames and down to the pixel.
Speaker 4: We found out who the maker of the camera was.
It was a Westcam camera.
Speaker 5: That's a Canadian based company that's working with L three,
and we tried to get all of the engineering spec data.
Speaker 4: So we wrote to L three, do you think that
they would cough it out? No? I mean they're not
going to cough up you know.
Speaker 5: First off, you're going to tell me about your your
proprietary piece of equipment, all the wonderful things that.
Speaker 4: I need to be able to do to do that. Right, So,
were they open and transparent as a company.
Speaker 5: No, they weren't open and transparent with us, and so
we had to then go and work with what little
we could get on that. Right now, you work in
the DoD, if you have these cameras and things like that,
there are specs that you can go to to.
Speaker 4: Get that kind of data.
Speaker 5: You can get all kinds of things about that. So
they have a little bit more ability to be able
to get that and to get that defense contractor to
cough up information than we do out in the public world.
Speaker 4: But break break.
Speaker 5: Now you've got the public out there getting that same
level kinds of equipment to some extent, and they can
get that information.
Speaker 4: From the company or whatever like that.
Speaker 5: And so we have a better chance of getting In fact,
they're developing a lot of the equipment themselves and so
they have a better understanding of it. So we're going
to be able to compete on a different level because
we're going to be able to get more data and
understand the equipment that we're using.
Speaker 2: I absolutely love that.
Speaker 1: Now read there is a really pretty impressive lineup of
speakers and programs at the UAP summit. Why don't you both,
if you wish, you know, walk us through sort of
what the folks at home can expect.
Speaker 6: Yeah, sure, yep, we've got great talks and really compelling
sessions lined up. You know, a lot of this is
built on this fundamental premise that at this point in
the conversation on UAP, it's really data as the driver.
Data is the foundational you know, a forcing function for
disclosure and data comes from detection. If you can't detect,
you can't situate yourself in this domain. You can't understand
the potential interactive patterns, flight patterns, possible signaling, communication or
interference that might be taking place. So detection is the beginning,
and of course the idea is to layer that with
multiple sources of data, including testimonial data, So just to
land that point. But yes, going over to the program,
we're going to begin with a talk by Congressman Eric
Burlison and Matt you'll be m seeing that conversation, very
excited for that. And Eric Burlsen will be talking about
the current state of UAP from a congressional perspective, both
in terms of what Congress is being told and the
current state of the bipartisan push to challenge the overclassification
of the issue and present transparent and credible findings to
the public. So that's really important to set the stage.
Then we have Richard Dolan, one of the key historians
of the UAP UFO phenomenon, talking about USO's unidentified submerged objects,
which is a very poorly understood, poorly analyzed topic. And
also the maritime domain is one in which we have
very poor sensing capabilities. So the OAP Stommach is going
to be kind of pointing all ships in some of
these key directions to drive forward and move the ball
yard by yard down the field on this key variable
of detection, whether it's in the air, in the sea,
or in the near space domain. So Richard Dolan will
be giving more of a historical look back on the
USO phenomenon, calling out some key cases that really highlight
both our capabilities to detect in the maritime and also
the deficits. And then moving on, we have a session
on Homeland security and first Responders m seeing that and
also presenting will be Monica alanist Nick Klaus, who released
through the Major Cities Police Chief Organization this UAP Guide
for Law Enforcement Agencies that came out earlier in twenty
twenty five, which was an amazing piece. It's out in
and of itself and a sign that law enforcement is
having to contend with reports and on site observations of
anomalous craft and they have to be ready for that.
And she'll make the point that law enforcement is often
really the first line of detection. They are the ones
right there on site, eyes in the sky or talking
to people who have literally just had some kind of encounter,
and they're collecting mountains of potential testimonial data, but it's
not being coalesced in any sort of federal or state
or multi agency capture system yet, but should be talking
about how we can begin to do that so that
we're collecting all this valuable data. And then we have
Ryan Graves and Michael Lembeck Ryan of Americans for Safe Aerospace.
Ryan and Michael are also on the AIAA task Force
on UAP, and they'll be talking about aviation safety, pilot
reporting networks and some of the new technological kind of
capabilities that could be deployed in the cockpit on commercial
airliners to detect UAP again to corroborate what pilots are reporting,
which is when you hear these reports from pilots, trained
aviation professionals with thousands of hours in the air, with
an airplane full of passengers, with regulation and law and
all these systems governing how they fly, and they're making
an observation of an anomalous disc stationary out in the
distance or an or buzzing the aircraft, that's we have
to take that seriously. We cannot dismiss that kind of reporting.
And you know there are indications. I just interviewed James
Fowler on my podcast Emergent last week and he shared
how there are numerous observations now of UAP tagging commercial
airliners and potentially interacting with them in the air at
very close proximity, well within the safe pocket that's mandated
by the FAA regarding you know, commercial commercial flight and
how close planes should be to each other. So there's
real flight safety risk, there's public safety risk, there are
psychological and physiological effects observed from UAP, and so the
first four sessions of the summit are really going to
dive into all of that, and then we go into
the current capabilities to detect and track UAP. We have
six different groups who are either already in the field
detecting UAP, attempting to, or who have basically put forward
a concept and are and are getting it funded and deployed.
So we'll be learning about, you know, what are they
able to detect at what elevation, with what kinematic behavior
right in what sort of you know, multi sensor detection regimes?
Right can it be corroborated by multiple sensors? So I'm
not a technologist or a scientist myself, so I play
a part in creating the summit because I am truly
curious as to what our current capability is to observe
the sky and to present data to the public that's
not you know, within classified systems and so forth. So
I'm very curious to attend these sessions myself and see
what these groups are capable of doing. We're going to
have a talk by John and Jerry Tedesco on their
frontline insights out in the field in the New Jersey
area with their Nightcrawler RV kitted out with all of
these amazing sensor technologies, and so they're doing the public
a good service by just being capable technical observers and
presenting their findings publicly. They're actually going to be on
a Mergent in a couple of days as well, so
I'll get the conversation started with them, and then the
day after, on day two of the summit, Richard Dolan
will be moderating an international panel of experts on detection
and tracking globally, so we'll be learning a little bit
about what's happening in primarily Europe. Felipe Belaris of the
European Space Agency, you'll be talking about some proposed efforts
within the ESA to detect UAP potentially from space based platforms,
which might actually be very important for USO detection to
do so from space looking down and then oh my gosh,
to move through it all if you'd like, I guess
we've got citizen reporting networks and the data infrastructure being
built and sustained by Mofon, by Koufos, the Center for
UFO Studies, as well as Newfork, the National UFO Reporting Center,
which remains the destination for people to report UAP through
law enforcement and first responder channels. Now, of course, the
conversation that we'd like to get going as well, how
do we make a better centralized reporting system? Is there
a centralization effort that's possible among all these different data
collecting groups, and Rich, you and I have talked extensively
about the challenge of everything from interoperability and characterization of
the technologies, to data hygiene as well as to trust.
Speaker 4: And trust is a.
Speaker 6: Big issue in the community, not not least of which
because there are powerful federal I see and defense groups
and organizations that seem to have skin in the game
and want to kind of shift the way this is.
This is being detected and so to my knowledge, there
may not have been an effort to really coalesce this
coalition and to converge findings and centralized data. But that
is a topic we're going to bring up. And Rich,
I know you have a lot to say on it.
Speaker 5: I just let me add one thing, and that is that,
you know, the big time is you can get a
lot of data, but it's crunching the data and it's
actually looking and sifting through the data to actually see
if you've got something or not right, and that takes
a lot of time, a lot of energy.
Speaker 4: When we looked at the Aguadilla video, for example.
Speaker 5: It's a three minute, you know, and fifty four second video,
we spent two years analyzing that thing. Right When we
looked at the Nimets thing, we took a year and
a half to go and actually look at that knimt
skin and to do all the calculations and the physics
and everything else that was required to put that together.
That takes time, and it takes an effort on the
part of some very sincere people to be able to
dig through that right and right now, if you think
about if we start getting all this wonderful data, which
right now is stove piped all over the place.
Speaker 4: In other words, nobody's bringing it all together.
Speaker 5: There's no do you have a collective group of scientists
that are looking at all that wonderful hypothetical data that's
out there at no.
Speaker 4: And then we get to publish.
Speaker 5: Is there a common repository or a portal I can
go to where I can actually publish it and the
entire research community can do that. No, we could barely
get some sort of paper of articles into journals because
of the pushback you get from certain skeptics or groups
and that will want to push.
Speaker 4: Back on those things.
Speaker 5: Right, So ultimately it's a big challenge. But nobody has
been addressing that big challenge, and it's time that we
do it. And that's why I'm so behind the summit
that it's ridiculous, because you know, I mean, my god,
we needed this like sixty years ago when I got started,
and we now are finally getting it.
Speaker 4: So I'm excited that it's finally happening.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was so important, you know. I think another
output from the summit might be an effort to truly
kind of scientifically characterize the detectable signatures of UAP as
well as the technologies that would be required to sense
those signatures, and some sort of characterization effort that then
all these different groups can begin to kind of shift
and comport their their efforts to so no one's competing,
everyone's doing it in a different way. But the findings
will will be much more interoperable than so stovepiped as
they are so very exciting work. Just to move through
the sessions of day two, we have doctor Gary Nolan
presenting on the current status of Skywatcher as they move
through their discovery framework. And I know guy Watcher is
dealing with the challenge of taking field based observational data
right made with everything from you know, electro optical you know,
PTZ cameras, et cetera, and binoculars, trained observers capturing observational data.
How do you bring that into a scientific framework in
which you generate scientifically valid, falsifiable, peer reviewable data. Right,
It's a challenge, So how do you bridge that? Golf
look forward to hearing what doctor Gary Nolan has to say,
and then Matt, you and I are on a panel
with Chrissy Newton and Kevin Wright to talk about UAP
and society, media education and how to educate and engage
the public in this emerging discourse that's built upon evidence
and data as the key driver. We'll also have a
Foundation's a scientific Foundations panel with scientists from across across
the board who can talk about you know, how do
we do scientific analysis upon this field based observ data.
So I look forward to that we have more groups
presenting on their current capabilities for UAP detection and tracking.
And then to close out the summit, we have James
Fowler giving his strategic insights from his time in the
Department of Defense running war games and making some of
the initial observations of UAP that gave rise to what
it is now called the quote dog whistle or the
mechanical signaling approach that might be able to cause UAP
to come into the vicinity and become more proximal subs
that we can capture better data. And then, of course
Rich and I will close out the summit on the
ending on the closing stage along with Adam Yingling. Adam
is our data specialist. He's a lead in a NASCA
division and he is an aerospace engineer, so he's going
to have a lot to say on data. Rich, you
have a lot to say on the technology piece. I'm
just here to help make it happen and bring it
all together. I am not an expert in any of this,
so I'm a learner. Look forward to sitting there with
the audience and seeing what we can what we can
learn and how we can advance this.
Speaker 1: I love that so rich given the ongoing lack of
government transparency, would you agree that the summit is really
happening at exactly the right time?
Speaker 4: I do agree, Matt.
Speaker 5: I think that the more that we can keep this
in front of the public.
Speaker 4: The better. I think that. Let me let me also
just put it the one way.
Speaker 5: What we found from talking with a lot of the
politicians is that they're in the dark on this subject too,
and just they're early, they're they're learning, you know, and
so the more that we can provide them good information,
you know, like our limits findings, by the way, made
it up on the hill thanks to uh, you know,
Chris Mellen and a whole bunch of others that helped
got it up on the.
Speaker 4: Hill, right.
Speaker 5: So you know, I think that academia out there is
now starting to engage. We've got a number of universities
that are suddenly engaged in the topic, and actually research
funding is available for them. A university of all money
comes to mind. University of Wurtzburg and Germany is also
doing it. You have Rice University. It's playing a part
in the subject, and a lot more so, what I'm
trying to say is that the more that we can
keep this in front of the public and provide them
with this at the same time also keep educating the
government politicians on it and making them better, then we
can get this like you know, synergy, if you would,
that's going to help to push forward where we need
to be finally, you know, And so I just I'm
extremely like I said, I'm at the point where I'm
just you know, excited about all the things that are
going on and the fact that this event is happening
finally is you know, like I said, it's long overdue,
and so I'm encouraged that we're going to get all
these technologists together to be able to talk. We're going
to figure out how we can deal with data, how
we can get it researched and studied, and how we
can get it published the public. And you know, I'm
I'm jumping up and down. Sorry, it's hard for me
to sit in my seat.
Speaker 7: Yeah, if I feel it's tag on, please to that
excitement and also add a few more kind of variables
to this moment of singularity that I described, which is
really compelling the summit.
Speaker 6: You know, We're also at the singularity of potential generative AI,
basically making UAP photo and video a non thing, making
it absolutely no providance, no veracity in the public's mind
and I and the public is being increasingly desensitized to
fake UAP footage. So this summit is going to attempt
to characterize what it would take to create something of
a trust signature, to to to a high trust, you know,
way of describing what high credence, high veracity footage would
be of UAP, because that is what the public is
going to pay attention to most. They want to see
it in the sky, and it's going to potentially be
possible to do that. But in a world where AI
is taking over, you know, the airwaves and the social networks,
it's going to be increasingly challenging. We're also an environment
If I go.
Speaker 4: Ahead, Rich No, I'm just going to comment real quick
on the AI piece.
Speaker 5: I'm on a show called The Proof is out there
on History Channel, and I've been on it for the
last five seasons, in a monthing for six and they
want to they provide me with these videos that they
want me to look at and try to analyze. And
I pointed out on the show very clearly that it's
getting more and more difficult to research any video because
of the level that.
Speaker 4: AI has now introduced into this mix. And so you
have a.
Speaker 5: Tremendous there's all our like six million videos I think
out on YouTube that are just all you know, all
of the board that are largely fakes, that are constructed
using all the digital wonderful world, the CG and all
that other stuff, and it's getting extremely more and more
difficult for researchers or study or investigators to actually discern.
Speaker 4: What's AI and what is not AI.
Speaker 5: So you're spot on and saying AI can be a
good thing for us, and it could also be a
bad thing for us.
Speaker 4: So we've got to figure out how we can do
with the good thing.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it benefit is that, you know, I'm just looking
at you know, there's three hundred thousand cases case centries
in the Kufos database, one hundred and thirty five thousand
in a mof On Aquarius database, one hundred and fifty
three thousand lines in the new Fork database. Imagining running
a systematic machine learning AI driven analysis of this data
and all of the real time data coming in from
either Mitch Randall SkyWatch Project Estellin Skywatcher, et cetera. God,
we could create real time insight now into the phenomenon.
Speaker 2: I love that. Well, Rich Read, Rich, thanks for joining us. Read.
How can folks at home attend this summit?
Speaker 6: Simply go to uapsummit dot org. The register button is
right there. I think we can get a promo code
out to folks to help them get in the room.
Speaker 4: Again.
Speaker 6: We want people from all over all sectors of society, academia, engineering, government,
non governmental, intergovernmental, So really encourage people to attend. You'll
have instant access to the recording as well, long before
they flow out to the public, which they ultimately will,
and you'll have a chance to chat with all of
these amazing experts who will be in the space.
Speaker 2: Awesome. Well, gentlemen, thanks for joining us, and I look
forward to seeing you in a week from now.
Speaker 4: Great. Thank you to you as well. Take care. Thank
you folks.
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