Speaker 1: Article out from Barry Levine talking about Gelaane Maxwell, and
he talks about how she is just as much of
a predator as Jeffrey Epstein. And I think it's a
valid point for him to make, and it's an important
point for him to make, considering we have been talking
about that for how long here on this podcast. We've
known for how long that she is not just some
henchman or his girlfriend or a love interest. She is
a co conspirator, a co boss, and somebody who really
really was involved as far as leadership goes when it
comes to this sex trafficking criminal ring, and a lot
of people still don't want to put a stamp on it.
A lot of people still don't want to talk about
that portion of it. It's almost like people want to
let her try and style herself as some sort of victim.
So it's nice when we see people like Barry Levine,
who wrote the book The Spider, come out and talk
to a legacy media joint like Newsweek and give them
the really real So we're gonna jump into this article
from Newsweek and we're going to see what Barry Levine
had to say to Newsweek about Gelane Maxwell. This article
was originally run in Newsweek, but we're reading it from
the MSN hosted site. The headline why Gilaye Maxwell was
just as much a predator as Jeffrey Epstein. Author of
the article, Jack Royston, Gilane Maxwell was able to lure
young girls and minors to pedophile Jeffrey Epstein because they
saw the woman figure as a protector. A biographer told
Newsweek that's definitely for sure. Those girls were very comfortable
with Gelaye Maxwell. If you listen to them and you
listen to their stories, that's one of the key factors
and the deciding factors for them to decide to go
in quote unquote work for Jeffrey Epstein. They felt comfortable
with Miss England, right, she came over with that hoity
toity accent, the whole entire you know, persona. And these
young girls who came from broken homes who only probably
only seen English people like this on TV before, you know,
the really high crust, rich kind of people. So this
lady comes in and she shows interest in them, and
she decides, hey, you know what, I got this guy
I'd love for you to meet. You can make a
few bucks too, And then well, we know what happens
after that she brings them to Jeffrey Epstein and the
nightmare begins. But it was a very very very very
good cover for her to be so hoity toity and
to be so well spoken and so educated. Nobody ever
expects people like that to be the ones that are
devious and draconian. But what we have learned, especially in
this case, is that it seems like people like that
are all disgusting in draconian. The British socialite what you mean,
fellow child abuser, general, all around scuzbag and bipedal serpent
is awaiting trial on allegation she helped Epstein groom young
girls for sex while they were in a relationship in
the nineteen nineties. Again, we have to address that they
were not in a relationship, Okay, not the kind of
relationship you think of, not the kind of relationship you're
engaged in with your significant other. That's for sure. There
were partners. They were put together by Maxwell and Maxwell's handlers,
and well, not a pair of lovebirds, okay, co conspirators
for sure, partners in crime. Absolutely, did Gilaanne Maxwell maybe
have a crush on Jeffrey Epstein, I don't know. Maybe,
but as far as being lovers or lovebirds or anything
like that just not the case. I really suggest you
watch the show The Americans and see how those agents
acted when they were put together and supposed to be
a quote unquote family. In my opinion, she was just
as responsible as Jeffrey Epstein. I've said that from the
very beginning, and I'm pretty sure we're on the right
path considering all of the survivors are of the same mind.
Gilain Maxwell was not just some you shrinking daisy. She
was right in the middle of it. She had her
job to do. Her portion of the leadership role was
to make sure that they were welcomed into high society
and to make sure the girls were comfortable. Meanwhile, Jeffrey
was the front man for the quote unquote business end
of things. But both of them shared power, They had
equal power, and they were both just as responsible for
what happened throughout the years that they were active together.
At least in my opinion. Maxwell said in a recently
un deposition it was part of her job for the
New York financier Pedophile to find adult massage therapists. Adult
massage therapists huh So my question is this. You have
to actually go and find adult massage therapists. Don't most
of them have businesses or business cards or contact numbers
or reviews or it was word of mouth. You don't
go looking for massage therapists, you know. You know what, guys,
as soon as I'm done with the podcast, I'm gonna
go hit the strip. I'm gonna just go walk around
and look for massage therapists. What does that even mean.
It's absolutely ridiculous, And the fact that she said that
in a deposition is even more ridiculous. She should have
been absolutely hammered over that remark. Really, I go out
and look for massages, That's my job. Why don't you
just hire one really damn good massage that knows the
ins and outs of Jeffrey's body, that knows what he
needs massage, that he knows what needs to be worked on.
Because it wasn't about the massages. It was about the
power and the abuse of these young girls in a
lot of instances high school age. Her accusers claim she
groomed them to be abused by him with promises they
would be helped in their careers. The daughter of deceased
UK newspaper tycoon Robert Maxwell denies charges of trafficking and
perjury and awaits trial in July. Some of the allegations
against her are detailed in a new biography, The Spider,
published recently by Crown, an imprint of Penguin Random House.
So we've talked about Barry Levine's book The Spider when
it first came out, but it is unbelievable to me
that some people still are not hip to the type
of the devious, disgusting, bipedal serpent that Gilan Maxwell is
and was. Author Barry Levine told Newsweek the most troubling
aspect of it is young girls and miners certainly will
look at the woman figure as the protector, and they
felt initially safe because of Maxwell's presence. That's a fact.
We've heard the survivors talk about that, how being Gilaan Maxwell,
being a woman offered them some false sense of security.
And then once they were caught up in it, well
it was too late. They were already groomed, they were
already involved. So Gileay and Maxwell, even if that was
her only role, say she wasn't a boss, right, say
that was her only role? That should that should have
get her one hundred years in prison in my opinion anyway.
But unfortunately for her, that was not her only role.
She was a boss, She had underlings. She was engaged
in a leadership role in a criminal conspiracy. You know
what that smells like to me, folks. I know it's
a little stuffed up, but it sure smells like rico
to me. Her and Jeffrey were this couple that would
mentor young girls, give them scholarships and so forth, help
them through their troubles, give them money for their families.
Her presence in that relationship certainly helped her recruit and
groom a lot of these girls. Yeah, dead on, one
hundred percent accurate. It's you know, it's really sad that
a woman like Elaine Maxwell, who had the whole world
at her fingertips, Oxford educated, came from a rich family
even though they were thieves. What you didn't have a
few bucks squirreled away, you still didn't have a trust fund,
stop it. But instead of using this incredible wealth and
privilege for good, instead she teams up with Jeffrey Epstein
and they engage in this disgusting, sordid child sex trafficking ring.
So she has nobody to blame for her but herself
and the rest of these so called elites and rich
people who get caught up in this shit. I have
no empathy for you. You could have been anywhere else in
the world. You have all the money in the world.
Your ass could have been sitting on the beach in Abiza,
but instead you're dicking around with Jeffrey Epstein, hanging out
in his living room, down in his beach house down
at Zoro Ranch. And then when it all comes to light,
you want to cry crocodile tears and act like we
should have empathy for you. Sorry, that's not going to occur.
These women were not prepared that this woman would be
as much of a predator and a monster as Jeffrey.
From depositions and testimonies, it's clear that Gilaine was just
as much a predator as Jeffrey was. Yes, sing to
speak the truth, yell the gospel, mister Levine, because it
is imperative that these legacy media outlets understand what we're
dealing with. It's imperative that they know that Glaine Maxwell
is not somebody that they should be have empathy for
or be sad that she doesn't have a broad in
prison about Okay, she is not that kind of person.
She should elicit no emotion from anybody, no empathy from anybody.
She should be treated as any other inmate would. She'll
have her day in court, She'll have a chance to
defend her name, and then when all the chips are
laid out and all the cards are on the table,
will see what's what, and we'll see who's telling the truth.
I have a pretty good feeling that Gilaine Maxwell is
going to spend the rest of her life in prison.
The Spider charts ow Maxwell fell for Epstein when she
moved to New York after the mysterious death of her
father in nineteen ninety one. Yeah, see, I don't agree
with that. Again, while I think that there's a lot
of good information in this book, anyone who is on
the path that Gelaine Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein were some
sort of lovebirds, they're they're mistaken. They were put that Again.
I hate to keep saying it, but if you're not
familiar with the show The Americans, do yourself a favor
and just watch a couple of episodes at least, and
you'll understand what I'm talking about. Then they're playing a role, right,
they're actors. That's what That's what spycraft is. You're acting
like you're something you're not. And there are people that
are very very good at it, and Gilaine Maxwell most
certainly was one of those people. At the time he
was mourning, he was mourning the loss of his own father,
Seymour Epstein, who died after a long illness in December
that year. The book says, Levine said, I spent a
lot of time in the book trying to explore a
little bit of what had been Maxwell's mindset when she
first met Jeffrey Epstein. This was right after the violent
death of her father, who had died going overboard on
the yacht and so forth. Well, we don't know if
it's violent death, Right, he could have killed, It could
have could have been, you know, an accident, right could
have been. We don't know. But I would that Robert
Maxwell and all the bridges that he had burned well
probably had that coming right When you when you're swimming
around in that kind of world, with that kind of
murky water and those sort of ceed people, Yeah, it
doesn't take much to end up in the middle of
the ocean. Elaine was completely dysfunctional when she first came
to New York. She came under Jeffrey's wing, and Jeffrey
took on this role of a father figure, figure, lover
mentor confidant to her and so forth for a time.
I think Elaine was really under his spell. Yees see,
I don't believe any of that. This is all part
of the acting that I was just talking about. I
think that these people, Gilaine Maxwell, Jeffrey Epstein, they understood
that they had to play the role. They had to
make pretend that they were a couple. They had to
make pretend that they were together, or else this wouldn't
have worked right. They couldn't have had such a close
business employee relationship. That wouldn't have worked well for the
circles they're moving in. So we always have to keep
that at the front of our thoughts as well. It's
so much more than just oh they were lovers or
There's so much more that goes into this cover, so
much more that goes into an operation like this. She
was also counting on Jeffrey to finanswer and support her,
and I think she realized very quickly that she was
either going to live this life with him or not
at all. That's why she seemingly just went along with
this and groomed these women and recruited these young girls
and so forth. Yeah, sorry, I don't agree. Again, I
don't agree with that. I think you're selling her a
bit short and giving her a bit of an out,
almost like it was all Epstein's fault, like she's suffering
from Stockholm syndrome. That is not the case. This is
somebody who went into this with both eyes open, was
involved with it with both eyes open, and then after
Epstein was arrested, still maintained contact with him, still didn't
come far. She is not a victim. She is not
some girl that fell in love with Jeffrey Epstein and
circumstances led her here. I'm sorry. I will not bite
and I will not buy that narrative, and in fact,
I will attack that now narrative and challenge it anytime
it's put forward. Levine has re examined much of the
mountainous evidence for himself, including revisiting the notes made by
journalist Sharon Churcher during the first press interviews with Virginia Roberts,
in which she said she was made to have sex
with Prince Andrew, and he called on prosecutors to include
the evidence of Maxwell's friend Christina Oxenberg, cousin of Prince Andrew. Yeah. Sorry,
I don't. I said it when that when she first
came out with her stories. I don't believe Christina Oxenberg,
not one bit. Sorry, I don't. I don't. Just don't.
Her stories don't seem to jive with what's going on here. Sorry,
doesn't make sense to me. Now, that doesn't mean she's
not telling the truth, right, She might be telling a
bit of the truth, but I just don't think she
has much to add when it comes to this story,
and just another person looking for some shine, he told Newsweek.
In my book, I have what I think is a
very compelling confession that took place in nineteen ninety seven.
This was when Gilaine invited Christina to celebrate the success
of Christina's novel Royal Blue. I write that the conversation
turned to Maxwell's relationship with Epstein. She says, Jeffrey is
very important to me, and I need him to marry me. See,
I don't. It's I don't believe that that's the case.
I just I'm sorry. I can't believe that that's the case.
I have seen no evidence of that. And when you
speak to survivors who were really in the know, not
third persons like Oxenburg, you understand very quickly that Gilaine
Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein weren't in some kind of love
bird relationship. Oxenberg said that Maxwell confided that she was
unable to keep up with Epstein's sexual appetite, and because
of Epstein's needs that were impossible to Maxwell felt obliged
to bring in young girls to fulfill his sexual needs.
According to Oxenberg's account of the conversation, yeah, sorry, I
don't buy that. I do not buy that. That was Yeah,
she brought them around, no doubt about it. But that
was all part of the plan. That was all part
of laying the groundwork for the blackmail scheme. However, Levine
is uncompromising in his assessment of Maxwell's role in the
abuse surrounded Epstein. He said, Jeffrey and Gelaane kind of
became a predatory Bonnie and Clyde of sorts. The most
troubling thing about Gilaine's involvement is that she was willing
to go through this because she believed that she was
in love with him and wanted him to marry her
in some weird, warped way, she allowed all this to
carry on in a way to please Jeffrey. Nope, sorry,
I disagree with all of that one hundred percent. Disagree
with it. Honestly, she wasn't there in doing that because
she was in love with Epstein. Sorry, that was not
the case. She was because it was beneficial to her.
She was there because this was a play that was
put into motion by her father, the person whose knee
she grew up next to, learning spycraft, learning all of
this bullshit world that they live in. So you're gonna
need to really come with a lot more evidence to
convince me that she was Jeffrey Epstein's lover and they
were in love and it was bless Paul, and she
did it all to make Jeffrey happy. Sorry, I'm not
buying any of that. Okay, Now, that might be the
cover story that they laid. For sure, that is certainly
the sort of devious ass cover story that UH operatives
for intelligence agencies. Certainly something that they would do. They
would institute a whole fake family, kids and all, because
that is how spycraft works. And anybody who thinks that
Gilaine Maxwell was just with Jeffrey Epstein because she was
in love with him, or that she thought she needed
him to take care of her financially. Well, you have
not really been paying attention, have you, because there is
so much more there, and Ghilane Maxwell is not just
some woman who got caught up with Jeffrey Epstein. Gilane
Maxwell is a co conspirator, a fellow child abuser, and
a bipedal serpent. If you'd like to contact me, you
can do that at Bobby Kapucci at ProtonMail dot com.
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