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Speaker 1: But this is from Digitalmusicnews dot com and I did

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been going on for a while. It says here Marathon

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Chants the Rapper versus Pat the Manager. Dispute officially heads

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to trial. Pat says he personally lost three hundred and

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fifty thousand dollars plus running Chance the Rappers merch operation.

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And it's funny too, because we were talking.

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Speaker 2: Earlier about how artists make their money.

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Speaker 1: How artists make their money on merch because touring, you know,

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most of that money goes to you know, Live Nation

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and whomever else. Right, they suck all that.

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Speaker 3: Outtah and put all the diesel in the trucks, which

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is probably really expensive these days.

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Speaker 1: Touring is very cost prohibital. Oh seriously, in many ways,

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a lot of a lot of artists ells, buses, TEP

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a lot to it.

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Speaker 2: You got to feed everybody.

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Speaker 1: It's all very hard. So yeah, you got to make

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that money on merch T shirts and you know T

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shirts of course the number one itam at shows. But

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apparently something has gone wrong between Chance the Rapper and

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Pat the now ex manager. So it says here again,

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this is from Digital musicnews dot Com, which, again, as

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I mentioned earlier, a great website for music industry news

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if you're interested in this. The USA versus Live Nation

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antitrust trial isn't the only music music world legal battle

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that's unfolding now. Chance the Rapper and Pat the manager

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or ex manager have taken their long running contract dispute

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to the courtroom. It says here we've been covering the

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ugly clash of former friends and business partners. Chance was

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like a brother to me in manager Pat Cochrane's Pat

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Corkran's own words, for over half a decade, but the showdown,

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technically consisting of a multimillion dollar commission complaint from Corkoran

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and a distinct unjust enrichment action from Chance, just recently

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headed to trial in Chicago. Unsurprisingly, then, Corkoran, during a

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lengthy direct examination, discussed more than a few components of

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his and Chances professional relationship. With the benefit of hindsight

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and objectivity, we can see the association, though fruitful at

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the outset, was seemingly destined to deteriorate in any event,

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It says, as Corcoran explained on the stand, it was

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his parents and members of Chances family, not the grown,

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albeit young and inexperienced men behind the deal who'd initially

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sorted the loosely defined details of the manager client arrangement.

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Now right off the bat, before we go any further,

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when you see loosely defined details of a manager client arrangement,

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that you know there's going to be trouble because everything

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has to be very clear and specific and written out,

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and entertainment lawyers beauty talk about you've heard who oh well, sure, yes.

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Speaker 2: Not in the contract. It's not there.

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Speaker 1: That's right, that's right, it says here. Thrust into commercial

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prominence following the release of Acid Rap, Chance opened for

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high profile acts, including mac Miller, all while Corkran assumed

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sweeping responsibilities and struggled to personally cover day to day expenses,

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the manager said before the jury. Concerningly, Corkran also described

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Chance's alleged unwillingness to sign agreements of any kind. Quote

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he didn't want to sign or have you know, a

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written agreement with anybody unquote, and reiterated that the artist's

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music wasn't being monetized whatsoever. Quote. There wasn't even music

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being commercialized unquote, even as he was performing on the

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same stage as Macklemore and others. So that's a pretty

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shoddy business here. The chance the rapper business is not

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not so much. And uh, you know why Corkoran would

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want anything to do with anybody who doesn't even want

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to sign anything. A written agreement of any kind is

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bizarre and not.

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Speaker 2: Smart by any stretch of the imagination.

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Speaker 3: I don't care if you're best of friends, bosom buddies

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that grew up ever since you were in diapies together

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from being little. Put it in writing. Put it in

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a contract. Make it clear, Yes, what's your expectation, what

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you're gonna do, what you're gonna get. If it's not there,

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it doesn't exist. I don't care you shake a hand

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on it. I don't care whatever that is that's not

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gonna hold up when the when it comes down to it,

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this money involved friends are no friends, married or not married.

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Put it in writing because it's just better for both

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of you. There's no question of expectations. It's clear, they're defined,

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Speaker 2: You have a way of recourse and you're not just

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Speaker 3: Sometimes I think can fall victim of things like this,

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and they want they want to quote unquote help you,

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and it sounds great up front, but they actually don't

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have the wherewithal to bring it to fruition to make

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it real for you, and then you're in this nasty,

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horrible situation. You better off always putting everything in writing

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Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, absolutely Again, this is from Digital Musicnews dot Com.

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It says on the label side, the alleged aversion to

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signed and sealed contracts has not changed. Chance self released

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last year's star Line that was apparently that's his newest album.

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stepped well outside the confines of traditional managerial duties to

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develop a hands on merch operation and later a radio

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promotion strategy, and between manufacturing the actual merch renting warehouse space,

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expanding the team on mid and influx of orders, and more,

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he was quote losing his shirt on running the merchandise

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operation unquote as it was hemorrhaging money. Fans placed nearly

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ten thousand orders in the month after Chance in twenty

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Speaker 2: Per Corkoran, you try to do too much for one person,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that happens.

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Speaker 3: And you try to do that because you think you're

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gonna save money, and you don't because it's just not

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Speaker 1: And you try to do that because you think it's

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all gonna pay off, right, because here you've got, you know.

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Speaker 2: Like running a radio campaign. That's a lot of work,

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Speaker 1: I watch you do it a lot.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a lot of work and a lot of

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Speaker 3: Lot of Right, there's a lot to it just doing that,

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plus he's trying to set the venues. Plus he's trying

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to make the t shirts and who's printing them and

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where's the design coming from.

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Speaker 2: That's too much. That's crazy to try and do that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, you're better off Pirre and the pros

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to do what you need him to do and then

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bringing it in.

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Speaker 2: You're going to spend less money in the long run.

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Speaker 1: Right, Right.

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Speaker 3: It sounds to me like they set them they set

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Speaker 1: Corkoran said, quote, I think it was like three hundred

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and fifty four thousand dollars was the loss that I

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took on operating the Chance Merchandise operation unquote needless to say,

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revenue sharing agreement or not, this alleged loss wouldn't prove

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an encouraging sign for any business partnership. Speaking of that

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revenue sharing agreement, Corkoran also spoke of his commission fifteen

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percent of across the board net earnings with a three

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year sunset clause in his recollection for serving as Chances manager, which,

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as with the rest of his testimony, will certainly factor

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in to the remainder of the trial.

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Speaker 3: Well, not a very good manager if he's going to

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try and wear a zillion different hats and expect that's

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Speaker 1: I don't understand though, Oh this agreement with a three

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year sunset clause? What so? Was that a verbal agreement?

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Speaker 3: Unless he signed something. But it was so vaguely written

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that maybe it sounds like it was just well it

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was a good business sense, because these aren't.

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Speaker 2: Good business mess Everything in vague.

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Speaker 3: Discriminating, Like, how do you even enforce this contract? If

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everything's well? I think I'll do this. Yeah, they set

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each other up for failure. They really didn't, and they

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backed obviously backed each other on what they thought they

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were going to do. He fell short and couldn't handle

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to do in the work of five different people.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, that's what he's trying to do.

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Speaker 1: It's a mess.

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Speaker 2: It is a big mess.

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Speaker 3: And I can't see that either one of them are

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Speaker 2: It sounds to me like everybody's.

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Speaker 1: Going to come out at a lot.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, they're probably both going to be lucky

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to walk away with anything in their bank accounts by

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the time this is done. But he did it to himself.

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I mean what manager does all? Like, really, do managers

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really put all that up front?

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Speaker 2: No, like they're.

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Speaker 3: Gonna take all the money out of their own bank account.

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Speaker 2: But I've not heard of that.

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Speaker 1: That's like nuts, that.

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Speaker 2: Doesn't sound smart.

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Speaker 3: Like I know that management companies might invest in in

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like an album or something like that, but I've never

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heard him to do everything like this.

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Speaker 1: These people both sounds crazy, Like chance the rapper won't

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sign it is a Grammy.

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Speaker 3: When they made this agreement, was this like something in

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Speaker 1: Thing that maybe they're both severely mentally ill. I mean,

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well he sounds Chance sounds like he's crazy. This is

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a Grammy winning artist, and he won't sign a contract

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with anybody. He won't.

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Speaker 2: He's eccentric, not crazy. Money.

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Speaker 3: Remember when you don't have money, then you become crazy.

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Speaker 1: But he doesn't have any money, that's the thing. He's

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got nothing to show for it.

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Speaker 2: He spent it all trying to do that.

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Speaker 1: I mean, what, well, no, is it sounds like Pat

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the manager spent all the money. He spent his own money. Chance,

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but what money did he get? This probably doesn't have

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any money either. He can't sign a.

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Speaker 3: Martelling because it's not being done right. Then, yeah, he's

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Speaker 1: Nothing's being monetized correctly. Apparently.

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Speaker 3: No, they're spending money. They're basically throwing money out the

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Speaker 1: They just sounds like, I like they're both idiots or

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they're nuts or something.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: These are not These are not uh, these are not

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smart moves. These are not well adjusted humans.

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Speaker 3: So the question is are they going to come out

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of this with their shirts or are they going to

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lose everything?

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Speaker 1: Well sounds like Pat's already lost everything. He's three hundred

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and fifty four thousand dollars in the hole.

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Speaker 2: Interesting to see how this battle goes, though.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't know about any of this until this morning,

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but this is very interesting.

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Speaker 3: Right, and I want to know, like how much I

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want to see more? Like what else did they have evidence? Rise?

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Speaker 2: You know, who's going to win? Is someone going to

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end up paying somebody else?

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Speaker 1: Probably don't have that much evidence wise, if nothing was

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written down because Chance won't sign a contract with anybody, well.

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Speaker 3: Maybe not, because then if the manager's gonna have receipts

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like I bought Chance the Wrapper Tree shirts, or I

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bought Chance the Rapper bandanas, or you know, we pressed

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X number of CDs. You know, if he's doing all

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of that up front, he's gonna have receipts for everything

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he put up front. But if he doesn't have a

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contract that says he gets reimbursed and he's expecting to

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just simply sell everything.

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Speaker 2: To make him money somehow crazy? Yeah, that this is

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not the way. Do not do as these people have done.

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Speaker 1: A cautionary tale, although I don't think most people would.

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I mean, this is just nuts.

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Speaker 2: No, you would think in this day and age that

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Speaker 1: That's why I think they're both mentally ill.

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Speaker 3: Smarter to put everything down and writing of what you're

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going to expect, Yeah, you know, but in doing so

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in detail, not just vague statements of we're gonna do merch.

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That's too vague. It's gonna be we're gonna do two

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hundred T shirts, or we're gonna do you know, five

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thousand CDs, whatever it is. It's got to be specific

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and spelled out, or you don't get a lay to

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stand on. Yeah, you know, if you're expecting this person

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to do all of this for you while you don't look,

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which isn't smart. But if you don't want to look

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and you just expect this person, he's gonna book all

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your stuff, he's gonna do the photography, he's gonna get

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the CD pressed, he's gonna do all you merch. He's

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gonna do everything humanly possible except for spoon feed you.

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And you don't want to pay attention to that, you're

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kind of setting yourself up there that when you do

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turn around and go, oh, no, I have no money.

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Speaker 2: You know why?

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Speaker 1: I just I still think they're both non composition.

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Speaker 3: I feel like they were maybe I don't know where

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they inebriated when they made this agreement, because especially anything

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verbal in this day and age, you would think people

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would know better than to do anything as a verbal contract. Right,

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Like I said, I don't care if you've been bestie

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friends since you were both little teeny babies and Diape

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is running around looking for the you know how to

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stand up and walk street. I don't care how long

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you've known each other. You've put it in writing, spell

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it out. It's just better for both of you. There's

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no question you're both on firm foundation and you know

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what your job is.

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Speaker 2: You know what their job is.

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Speaker 3: And what the expectations are going to be for the

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end of the project. You know, it's just smart five minutes,

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even if you write it out on a piece of

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paper and sign it, it's better than any than nothing.

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Speaker 2: You'd better to have a lawyer, but.

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Speaker 3: You know in the pitch at least do that do

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that so much?

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Speaker 1: All right?

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Speaker 3: Well, I would think you would know better, Like you're

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that big of a guy, and like, what about this manager?

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How many artists has he managed? Does he do this

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with other artists? Is this the only manager? Like where

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is he in the management scheme of the world, right,