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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Fred Green of Golf Smarter with the

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ninth appearance that Tony made on Golf Smarter episode four

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hundred and fifty seven that was recorded back in October

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of twenty fourteen, one week after last week's episode. This

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was a lot of fun because at the time in history,

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Tiger was struggling with his game and his life. So

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I asked Tony what he would say to Tiger if

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he got a call from his camp asking for advice

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from a community college golf coach with an incredible record.

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After this week, there are three more episodes with Tony

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as we approach the end of our annual series. As

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we spring back into golf season with Tony Manzoni. Tony's

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Speaker 2: Part two of our conversation that picks up right where

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last week's episode ended for members only, Golf Smarter number

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four hundred and fifty seven, published on October seven, twenty fourteen.

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If Tiger asked Tony Manzoni for help, what would he say?

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Speaker 3: This is golf Smarter.

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Speaker 2: If just so happens Tiger Woods was listening to this,

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it's it's I know it's not happening, but he's like,

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you know what, I'm going to give Tony Manzoni a call.

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Tiger Woods calls you and says, I could really use

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your help. I listened to what you had to say.

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It makes a lot of sense. What would you do

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for me if Tiger called you and asked for your help?

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Speaker 4: What would you do?

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 5: After I got up off the floor, no, I mean,

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I mean what I have to say, The Tiger would

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take fifteen minutes.

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Speaker 3: I just think, I.

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Speaker 4: Just you better charge a lot of money, man.

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Speaker 3: You know I would, I would, I would. If I

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did it, I would do.

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Speaker 5: It anonymously, and I wouldn't want anything for it, because Tiger.

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Speaker 3: Is really important for the game.

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Speaker 5: You know, we're losing a lot of players, and Tigers

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is like the Beatles. He's like he's an icon and

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whether you like what he did socially really doesn't matter.

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Speaker 3: He's got a huge following.

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Speaker 5: And if he he gets back to playing, which I predict,

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he's going to come back stronger than ever.

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Speaker 4: Do you really?

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Speaker 3: I do? I really really?

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Speaker 5: Because I think he's on the right track physically. The

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guy's eighteen years old. I don't care what his number is.

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He's in unbelievable shape, and he's the kind of guy

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that will always.

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Speaker 3: Be in good shape.

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Speaker 5: And if he just figures out his golf swing, and

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if he figures out how to stay connected through impact

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and keep that left arm high on the chest as

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he rotates his body, which he does on his irons,

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that's what blows my mind. It's like he's got two

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different swings. If he does that with the driver and

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he gets the ball in play, what is that?

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Speaker 3: What is he going to shoot?

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Speaker 5: Because he's a great putter, he's a great wedge player,

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and he's a great iron player. But the thing that

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has always killed him is that getting that first shot

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in play. And I think part of it is that,

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you know, he lost distance, but he lost distance because

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he bulked up so much. Do you remember when he

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was first on the tour, he had a forty three

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and a half in titlest driver with a steel shaft,

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and he was literally killing it. But as he got

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bigger and bigger and bigger, I think that it affected

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his flexibility and speed and then and then, you know,

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when you start losing a little distance, then you try

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to start picking it up, so now you get fast

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from the top and all, you know, because everybody's human

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Speaker 3: I mean, I used to be considered.

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Speaker 5: A long hitter, and now you know I have I

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can't see well, but I can see my ball stop,

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which is a nightmare because I'm not hitting it very far.

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to a certain age, that's going to happen. So work

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on your short game. But I think that's what happened

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with Tiger. Everybody started blowing him past, it past him,

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so he felt like.

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Speaker 3: He was doing something wrong. I think it's just his.

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Speaker 5: Physicality changed so much. Said, you know, he kind of

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got in the way of his speed. He's leaned down

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a little bit more and he looks like he's fast again.

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before he got back off because of his injury, started

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bothering him again. He looked his swing looked really really aggressive,

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but not out of control. He used to look like

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it was a little lot of control with the driver.

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Speaker 2: And if he were to bulk after bulking up the

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way he did, would you suggest that he go to

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a shorter shaft driver or are a longer one, or

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stay with the forty three?

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Speaker 5: No, I wouldn't listen. Tiger has experts telling them what

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to do physically. I think that what I have my

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guys doing, we're doing. We're doing weights, but we're doing

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low weights and high intensive exercises with very little time

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between the exercises, where we try to do one hundred

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one hundred bicep at ten at a time, but with

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only thirty seconds between each each rep or each each grouping,

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and we're trying to get it down at thirty. We're

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get it down to nothing so that you can do

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one hundred in a row. Now, will we reach that goal?

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Speaker 3: I don't think so, but we're going to get close.

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Speaker 5: I can see that everyone is getting faster and we're

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taking less time. So the fatigue factor is high, and

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I think that's the new trend.

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Speaker 3: In working out.

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Speaker 5: If you're an athlete, you're not trying to get big,

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pop by muscles. You're just trying to get lean and mean,

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and this kind of exercise really shreds you, gets the

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fat off you, and it keeps and you keep your flexibility.

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Speaker 3: And I know the Tiger knows all about this stuff.

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Speaker 5: This guy is he knows a lot about a lot

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of things when it comes to sports.

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Speaker 4: He did go to Stanford.

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Speaker 2: So this is interesting to me because you've seen the

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eras of athletes, not just golfers, but a lot of

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athletes who didn't pay that much attention to physical fitness.

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even if you're only playing six to eight months a year,

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you're working out all year long because of competition, so

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stiff and it's a long season for everybody, no matter

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what sport you're playing, So you have to be in

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top physical shape. For golfers today, what would you recommend

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be the workout regimen and what areas of focus would

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you put on the body? Would you focus on the

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lower part of the body, the legs, the arms, would

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you work on stamina, would you work on you know, muscle.

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Speaker 4: Building or core strength? And where would you go with this?

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Speaker 5: Well, I think I think the trend today and I

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and I agree with it is that they're working more

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on the core.

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Speaker 3: They're working on arms and chest and back along.

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Speaker 5: With the legs, you know, because we don't we don't

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drive the legs through the ball like we used to

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because we're because we're our body's in a little different position.

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Speaker 3: When when you were tilted way.

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Speaker 5: Back, your head was way behind the ball. Yeah, you

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had to drive your legs to get to the left

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side and then you had to rotate, but you had

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to make a little sliding move.

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Speaker 3: Well, no one, no one's, no one is doing that.

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Speaker 5: You don't see any sliders like like in days gone by.

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So so the top part is just as important as

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the bottom part. But you have to be careful. You

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have to know what you're doing, or you have to

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have someone help you in that regard so that you

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don't use the wrong type of exercises. Again, golf is

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not a game where you need to be bulked up.

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It's a game where you need to.

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Speaker 3: Be with what we call cut or you're shredded.

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Speaker 5: That's the kind of body type you want. No, so

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there are some people that are bulky and they have

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to swing the club a different way.

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Speaker 3: But Tiger was a very thin kid.

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Speaker 5: I had him in a tournament years and years ago

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called Kids were Kids, and he was sixteen years old

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and he was on the thin side. But he hit

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it out there two miles. He hit it out there.

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I remember that day. He was sixteen years old. He

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hit as far as he already did on tour. Now

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he had a longer swing. But his thing was speed.

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Tire runs fast. He's a speed person. Okay, He's not

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a guy that he's not structurally built to be lifting

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heavy weight. He's structurally built to be like a cat,

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and I think he got away from that.

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Speaker 3: I think maybe being.

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Speaker 5: Around guys like Michael Jordan everything or workout freaks. I

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think he got into body building, and I think he

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I think a mistake was made there.

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Speaker 3: And I've seen he looks a little bit more. He's

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a little bit more cut looking now, as you should be.

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Speaker 5: And I you know, everyone needs to get into things

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like yoga, anything, stretching.

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Speaker 3: If you're really interested in golf, it's range of motion

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that's really important.

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Speaker 4: What do you do.

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Speaker 3: I've been doing a lot of stretching.

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Speaker 5: I've been doing the high intensive exercises, interval exercises, like

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I go on the net and look for anything that

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is related to golf and getting more flexibility so I

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can get the club back a little bit farther, which

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gives me more time to build momentum.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 5: I used to run a lot of ten k's on

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the golf course every night. I used to go at

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the football field here at the college and I'd run

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twenty thirty laps around them, you know, so it's four

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or five miles.

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Speaker 3: So I was running probably every day a good ten miles.

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I don't have the.

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Speaker 5: Inclination, the time and the stamina to do it, but

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I'm still I still try to move. I'm always I'm

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always active. I think I think you've got to do that,

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just forget golf, just for your overall health.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I'm not a runner, never have been.

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Speaker 3: If you run on grass, it's not too bad, but

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it tears you.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, you know. I'm a swimmer. You're what swimmer?

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I go swimming.

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Speaker 3: Fantastic because you have resistance in every action.

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Speaker 4: You make and it's zero and zero impact.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: The only problem is is that a lot of swimming

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pools have a lot of chemicals in it, so you're

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absorbing those chemicals. So that's you know, if you if

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you're going to do optimum things, then you'd be swimming

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in a saltwater pool and not a typical pool.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Es, Actually the public pool that I swim in is

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is half salt water half chlorine. Okay, Yeah, I love

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and I just love a I love the zero impact

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and and I love the complete resistance. But I also

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love just getting lost in my head, which I do.

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Speaker 5: Well, sure, and I think I think every man, uh

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and well for that matter, woman, but I can only

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speak from the man's point of view. I think every

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man should stay strong. There's no reason to be weak.

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There's no reason, there's no reason to get feeble. You

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can use light weights, but you can keep your muscle

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tone and you can keep your strength factor. I think

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a lot of people die too early because they get weak,

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and consequently so does their immune system. And I think

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there is a correlation to that. I know people that

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you know, they were good athletes, worked hard, worked out

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all the time, and then they got to a certain

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point in time and then they turned into a seal.

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They just blow up and all of a sudden they die.

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Cholesterol balls up, everything, everything malfunctions. Well that's because everything stopped,

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you know.

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Speaker 3: So I really I you know.

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Speaker 5: I'm an old guy, but I don't feel old, and

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I'm still strong. And when I go out and work

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on with in the gym with the boys, I can

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still keep up with them. But that's because I've always

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done that. And I highly recommend to anyone that's listening

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that get into a stretching program and get into some

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form of weight training, because even at one hundred years old,

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if you can last that long, you can get stronger

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by resistance, by lifting weights.

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Speaker 3: You know, all the rubber band stuff. Yeah, yeah, Okay,

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that's a little bit. But you got to put a

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weight in your hand and move it up and down.

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Speaker 5: You're gonna get your you're gonna get your muscle tone back,

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and you're gonna feel a hell of a lot better.

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Speaker 2: One of the comments you made earlier on you said,

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take the compensations out of the game.

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Speaker 5: Well, a compensation would be if I moved to the

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right from my original starting.

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Speaker 3: Position and I've got to move back to the left.

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Speaker 5: If I if I overwork my hands going back where

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I cock the club back to where it shaft in

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my left arm, don't don't create an L, but they

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create a V because because my wrist is cocked so

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far that the club is kind of hanging down past parallel,

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then I have to I have to make a compensation

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to get it back into that position where I can just.

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Speaker 3: Turn and just hang on. I don't have to do

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anything with my hands.

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Speaker 5: So any anything like that, any any timing element that

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you're putting in or you're trying to you know, I

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hear these teachers say you got to roll your hands through.

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Speaker 3: To hit the ball.

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Speaker 5: Well, you know, if you're slicing the ball, that's a

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quick fix. But that's not the way to play golf.

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Speaker 4: And that's hard to do.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's amazing to me how people these compensations that

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they try to make.

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Speaker 4: They do it during the round.

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Speaker 2: I mean, how many times have I heard someone say, oh,

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I lifted my head. Oh I know exactly what I'm

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doing wrong, and they really think that they're changing something.

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But the lifting the head is the most common one.

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Oh I lifted my head.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you lifted your head, or I didn't get under it.

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That's another beauty. You don't get under a ball. You

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head down on it to make it go up, and

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in most cases your head went up or you lost

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your spine angle because it's called body propulsion. You're trying

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to propel an object up, so the body kind of

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lifts to do it again. That goes right back to

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trying to do something to the golf ball instead of

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letting that golf club in the loft and the lie

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angle dictate what that ball is going to do. And

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all you've got to do is swing that club from

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station one to station two and that all that's.

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Speaker 3: Going to happen.

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Speaker 5: Certainly, you have to have some kind of coordination. I'm

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not saying that you just do that, and you're going

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to play perfect golf. But the more compensations that you

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put in your golf swing, fanning the club open, then

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you got a fan it that close. The more you

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do that, you're just making the game harder.

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Speaker 2: Yep, yep, it's so true. It's so sad, it's so true.

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Tell me, I mean the last one on the on

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the golf side, before we wrap this up. How can

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we eliminate that dreaded forty yard shot? Why are we

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coming up forty yard short of a hole when we

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don't want to have a forty yard shot in our

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game and we don't have one in our bag.

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Speaker 5: Well, the only place that that should happen would be

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in my estimations on a part five unless you just

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don't have the strength to get to the green in two.

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Speaker 3: And a lot of people are in that position.

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Speaker 4: Then they're playing the wrong tea box.

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Speaker 3: Then they're playing the wrong tea box.

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Speaker 5: Correct, And even though I say that, there's a lot

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of people that are not going to move up, stay

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where they are because that's just what they want.

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Speaker 4: That's the ego party golf.

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Speaker 5: And then in that case, get your wedge and be

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like Lee Trevino you know, hit five hundred wedges a day,

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and then you'll hit that forty yard shot.

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Speaker 3: Okay, you know, the four yard shots not a hard shot.

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Speaker 5: It's just it's one of those in between shots where

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it's you're not taking it back really far, so you

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have to you know, I've got a couple of juniors

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that I teach and we work on those shots a lot.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I have a friend every time, whether

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you're hitting from thirty forty to fifty or eighty or

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one hundred and twenty, if you land the ball on

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the green, he's gonna go, nice shot. And it's like

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to me, that's like, no, if I'm inside one hundred

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yards or one hundred and twenty yards anywhere there and

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I I A, I expect to be on the green

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on the next shot. But if I'm going to be

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that close, I want to be within ten fifteen feet

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of the hole. If not closer, I don't want to

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just be on the green and have a sixty foot putt.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you have to determine.

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Speaker 5: I mean, good players know how far they hit a

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ball and you know how to If they have one

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hundred and fifty yard shot, they're not going to hit

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it one hundred and ninety unless they catch a fly

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or maybe they're maybe they're a little excited because they

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made two or three birdies in a row or something.

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But generally they can control distance. And if you can control.

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Speaker 3: Distance, and first of all, you have to know how

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far you hit your club.

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Speaker 5: So when you go through, especially your irons, when you

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go through your irons, you have to know, well, how

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far do I hit a seven iron? And then you

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have to determine, Okay, if I can max out a

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seven iron, let's say one hundred and fifty yards, and

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I have one hundred and fifty yard shot, certainly would

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be smart to hit a six iron because I'm not

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going to max out every shot and I'm going to

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mishit it a little bit. So you know, Ken Venturrey

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told me that long time ago when I work with him,

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and he said, you're better served to take one more

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club than you think. It is almost every single time,

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and he said, I think in terms of all the

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rounds you played, how many times.

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Speaker 3: Will you pass the pin? And it's so true, it's

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so true.

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Speaker 5: So those are those are little elements that we have

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to deal with when we play. But distance control is

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very important, so you have to establish.

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Speaker 3: Where you hit a ball.

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Speaker 5: But when getting back to that forty yard shot, look,

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the forty yard shot, you're connected. You rotate your body

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in such a fashion that you hit it forty yards,

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you rotate a little bit more. You hit it sixty

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or seventy, you rotate a little less. You hit a thirty.

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But if you're trying to do that with hand action,

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now you got a problem. Now you got a real problem,

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because especially when you hit that forty yard shot, there's

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a little voice in your head, don't thin it, you know,

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don't scull it, don't do this. So you need you

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need a fail safe action in your swing that is

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going to give you that shot or somewhere near that

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without any fear. When we start working those hands, especially

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if you get a tight lie or maybe a funky lie,

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that's when all hell breaks lose and you end up

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you're near the green in regulation and you end up

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with a triple bogie because because you're trying.

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Speaker 3: To do it a harder way than you need to.

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Speaker 2: And that's when the metal game gets really large because

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you start freaking out about that shot.

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Speaker 5: Well, yeah, but if you're a rotary player and you

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rotate from driver to wedge, it's not going to be

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so hard because you're not basing the result on your timing.

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And look, when you're playing for a few bucks or

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it's a tournament or club championship and you get a

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little nervous and everybody does, and you get a little scared,

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and everybody does. The first thing that runs down your

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leg is your eye hand coordination. So you better have

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something that you're doing with those big dumb muscles instead

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of those little you know, when you get nervous, what

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happens your handshake, you know, or your adrenaline gets up.

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So adrenaline is always going to get up unless you're

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taking beta.

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Speaker 3: Blockers, and that's not good.

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Speaker 5: So we've got to play through our adrenaline and we

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have to have a process that allows us.

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Speaker 3: To do that.

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Speaker 2: I want to give you one last chance to explain

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to us what the Loss Fundamental is, what the book is,

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and why we should own it and the DVD.

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Speaker 5: I think the Lost Fundamental Book, I think it's the

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result of all the years that I've studied this game,

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and I came up with the thought that you know,

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who played the game for a long time, who played

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the game when they were really horrible in the beginning,

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and who became one of the greatest players shot makers anyway,

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of all time.

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Speaker 3: That was Ben Hogan.

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Speaker 5: I started studying Ben Hogan, and I saw the subtle changes,

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especially after his accident, and I saw that he stayed

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more centered to the ball. So he played off of

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one axis. Or in the old days they say we

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played off the left side, nothing to do with stack

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until that's what they called it. We played off the

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left side, so they played off of one axis. So

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that's really important not to go to the right leg

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axis and then back to the left leg axis. That's

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what the book talks about. The second part it talks

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about is the.

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Speaker 6: Connection of the left arm to the pectoral muscle and

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how that left arm works as a lever that is

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being moved back and forth by the turning of the body,

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turning to the right and turning to the left, and

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that lever stays consistent in its form so that the

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club face stay square.

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Speaker 3: A long time. That's another part of the action. The

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rest of it is set up. I believe you have.

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Speaker 5: To set up sixty forty and so forth. So those

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three elements if I can get you to set up

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properly and you have a decent grip, a comfortable grip,

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and I can get you to rotate, turn your right

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side behind you, and then turn the right side through

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the ball so that the left side goes level left.

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Speaker 3: And your left arm states connected.

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Speaker 5: If those elements happen in the swing, you're going to

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hit the ball pretty darn good. I've got two juniors.

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One gal I've been working with three years, and she

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is crazy good. She just played in a high school

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match she shot thirty because they only played nine hole matches,

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she shot thirty, And then she played in a two

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day invitation. Broke the record in that, I've got an

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eight year old Chinese boy.

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Speaker 4: Wait a minute.

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Speaker 2: The thirty was with a couple of part fives, with

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a part five and a couple part three. She played

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yeah for nine Yeah, a regular eighteen hole course.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, that was the lowess in Arcachella Valley of

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anybody who's ever played male or female. Okay, and then

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the next day she played in a two day event.

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Broke the record in that. So why is all of

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a sudden she can do these things? And that's because

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she's learned to play this game without a lot of competitions, compensations,

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because she gets scared as heck. She calls in because

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his coach this is really a big tournament, blah blah blah.

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And I say, look, you've prepared yourself, you work hard.

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Now just go play the game. You can't be thinking

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about how to do it when you're out there playing.

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You got to play the game. You got to react

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to the target, not to the ball. And she's she's,

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she's proving my point. And this little eight year old,

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I'll tell you what, Fred, if you've ever seen him

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hit a ball, you want to sell your clubs. It's

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just crazy how pure he hits it. Now, a lot

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of it he got, believe it or not. He learned

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to play by watching golf and the Golf channel. And

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then I just I've taken it from there, improved his grip.

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But I haven't messed too much with that swing because

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it's just a fabulous swing. And he chipped so good

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that I literally said to him, what do you think

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about when you chip?

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Speaker 3: Because I was trying.

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Speaker 5: I was trying to get a tip because he's so

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solid through impact. So when I see when I see

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that kind of stuff. I can part of it, and

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I mean that's you know, it's the greatest and their

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their minds are real clear. You know, the more we

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know about golf, the hearter the game gets because we

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complicated with a lot of facts and figures.

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Speaker 3: If you learn those three little things.

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Speaker 5: I told you about good setup and connection and wrote

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and if you can just focus on that and get

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the feel of that, man, you can go out and

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play and enjoy yourself.

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Speaker 2: Lots of times I'll receive emails from Golf Smarter listeners

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who are saying, Okay, I'm really intrigued by what Tony

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Manzoni says, and I don't know should I get the

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book or should I get the DVD?

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Speaker 4: And I always tell them just get both.

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Speaker 2: But if they had to make a choice, what are

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the differences that they're going to notice between the book

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and the DVD?

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Speaker 3: Truthfully, I think I would get the book.

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Speaker 5: There's some nice little stories in the back of the

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book that I think kind of give you a sense

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of who I am.

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Speaker 3: But also in the book, you can under it.

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Speaker 5: You can line some areas, yellow mark some areas that

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are very pertinent, and you can keep going back to

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the book the DVD.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's a good DVD.

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Speaker 5: I'm not going to say it's but there's a lot

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of music and you know fall to roll. I did

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that because and said you need to make a DVD

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with the book. But the book is for me. The

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book is a little bit better. The optimum would be too,

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because then you can see my stupid face and some

525
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of the things I do. But you see my little

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girl that I that is in there.

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Speaker 3: That's when I was starting, and you can see how

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good she swings, and it's an interesting it's an interesting video.

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But if I could only have one, it would be

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the book for sure.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well, I appreciate your honesty since you just lost

532
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ten bucks.

533
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Speaker 3: Well, you know what, most people can afford another ten bucks.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: So if I was buying you know, I mean, I'm

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not a super wealthy guy, but I buy both. Or

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if I bought the book, I would certainly go get

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the tape because I want to see if there's something

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there that because sometimes we learn more visually.

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Speaker 4: Than exactly looking at something.

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Speaker 2: So you know, no one has ever written back to

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me say you know what, it was a waste of

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my money. And you've had golf smider listeners travel across

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the country to come take lessons with you.

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Speaker 3: I've given quite a few lessons, Fred, And I know

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I haven't sent your check.

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Speaker 5: But I'm thinking about it. But I've had a lot

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of people, and you know what I also get. I

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get a lot of letters from someone saying, Okay, you

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know I'm really hitting the driver good, but I'm doing

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this with the iron or I'm doing that.

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Speaker 3: And I welcome that because I can give you the answer.

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Speaker 5: I don't need to see your golf swing. You just

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tell me what the ball is doing. I'll tell you

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what you're doing.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 5: So I love doing that. And again, I got three

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areas to hit. How are you setting up levels of

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the ball center to the ball? Are you sixty forty?

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Is your left arm drop in first move or is

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it staying up high on that chest as you rotate

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your chest? Those things, they're easily said. If someone tells

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me I'm pulling everything, then I know their arms.

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Speaker 3: Are going first.

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Speaker 5: You see what I'm saying, I'm hooking everything. I know

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their arms are going first.

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Speaker 3: Their arms.

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Speaker 5: The clubhead should be last coming through. It shouldn't be first.

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It shouldn't be going ahead of your body. Your body

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should be pulling through. So these are real simple fixes.

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And golf prone knows this stuff. You know, I don't

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have a you know I don't have I'm the only

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one that doesn't have a handle on this, or I

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should say, yeah, I'm not the only one that knows this.

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There's a lot of good golf pros out there that

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are good teachers. But I'll tell you what, this is

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a never ending school. I tell my students, once you

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start getting into researching golf, you will never graduate because

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there's always a move. There's always a little a little

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tightening up of the bolts that's beneficial.

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Speaker 4: Yep, yep.

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Speaker 2: Well listen, I am scheduled to come down to the

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Palm Desert area just after Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 4: I'll be there for a week.

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Speaker 2: And if it all goes well and it's not like

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my last trip of you know where things got disrupted,

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let's get together. I'll bring some video, I'll bring my

588
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recording gear. We'll sit down, we'll have another conversation with

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golf smarter, and maybe we will do we'll go out

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and play golf together and we can do like a

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playing lesson and we can grab some video of that.

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Speaker 3: What do you think that would be great? I would

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enjoy doing that. I want to see your action and

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find out how many strokes I get. Oh yeah, right,

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well no, I really seriously, I would really like to

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do that.

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Speaker 5: Great we can talk and talk about strategies on the

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golf course.

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Speaker 3: I love that that kind of thing because there's a

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lot to that part of it too.

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Speaker 2: Well Tony, it's always my joy. I love talking to

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you about golf. I'm always entertained, but I always walk

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away with a handful of nuggets that make my game better.

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 5: Listen, I'm going to tell you for I really thank you.

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You know, as I've said in the past, and I

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will repeat that your site is the best site I

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think in golf.

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Speaker 3: Really, it's very informative. There's a lot of great product

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on there. I'm glad.

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Speaker 5: I'm glad and honored to be part of it, and

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I do feel like I'm part of the family.

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Speaker 3: I love that