WEBVTT 1 00:00:05.400 --> 00:00:07.440 Welcome everybody to the Cage to Night Live. 2 00:00:07.519 --> 00:00:09.800 We almost got this thing off the ground with that 3 00:00:09.839 --> 00:00:12.240 many technical issues, but I spoke too soon on it. 4 00:00:12.400 --> 00:00:16.079 Six minutes in my computer completely shut down and restarted. 5 00:00:16.079 --> 00:00:17.359 So we're gonna try this again. 6 00:00:18.079 --> 00:00:20.719 I'm joined today by a couple of the good followers 7 00:00:20.719 --> 00:00:22.719 of the Cage to Night and honestly, there are. 8 00:00:22.640 --> 00:00:24.640 Just homies of the highest regard. 9 00:00:25.399 --> 00:00:28.000 And we're gonna just let the conversation go where it goes. Tonight, 10 00:00:28.120 --> 00:00:30.280 Tony had brought something in that he wants to talk about. 11 00:00:30.320 --> 00:00:32.000 I know Anthony's got a topic he wants to go 12 00:00:32.039 --> 00:00:34.759 on tonight as well. So and of course, Raven Lee, 13 00:00:34.799 --> 00:00:36.479 if you want to chime in at any point, you 14 00:00:36.759 --> 00:00:41.119 are more than welcome at all times. So uh okay, So, Tony, 15 00:00:41.240 --> 00:00:43.799 you were talking about a certain case that has come up, 16 00:00:43.960 --> 00:00:46.679 and it had to do with some something with a 17 00:00:46.799 --> 00:00:48.679 Russian with a diplomat. 18 00:00:49.399 --> 00:00:53.240 He was a Russian. Well, let's see, he was accused 19 00:00:53.240 --> 00:00:55.920 in Russia of working for six and he was thrown 20 00:00:55.960 --> 00:00:58.719 in prison in two thousand and six. Okay, I got 21 00:00:58.719 --> 00:01:01.560 a diplomat more of a spy type guy. I don't 22 00:01:01.560 --> 00:01:05.200 know his actual job wise, ok fair, enough anyway, it's 23 00:01:05.200 --> 00:01:09.480 almost not even important. So in two thousand and six 24 00:01:09.560 --> 00:01:11.439 he was arrested thrown in prison in Russia. This is 25 00:01:11.439 --> 00:01:14.599 staircase screepaul in case. We don't have the background here. 26 00:01:14.599 --> 00:01:16.560 Yeah, the screen ball case. If anybody would like to 27 00:01:16.560 --> 00:01:17.439 look this up on their in. 28 00:01:18.760 --> 00:01:21.200 Yeah, this was brought up on cult conspiracy a month 29 00:01:21.280 --> 00:01:25.280 or two ago with the GRU Russian intelligence service, and 30 00:01:25.560 --> 00:01:28.480 there are alleged activities and poisonings of people. 31 00:01:28.799 --> 00:01:30.439 Yea guy is probably the main guy. 32 00:01:30.480 --> 00:01:32.640 And the reason this is important is in twenty eighteen 33 00:01:33.040 --> 00:01:35.680 this led to one hundred and fifty or so Russian 34 00:01:35.680 --> 00:01:40.000 diplomats getting kicked out of England, a severe souring of relations, 35 00:01:40.159 --> 00:01:43.879 and it arguably was like one of the main dominoes 36 00:01:44.000 --> 00:01:47.159 that kicked off a string of events that led to 37 00:01:47.239 --> 00:01:50.840 the russ Ukraine War. So that's why this is important, 38 00:01:50.840 --> 00:01:53.040 even though we're just talking about a couple of people here. 39 00:01:53.599 --> 00:01:56.560 But yeah, fast forwarding a little bit, Okay, there was 40 00:01:56.599 --> 00:01:59.200 a prisoner swap in twenty ten. He was one of 41 00:02:00.120 --> 00:02:06.200 or five Russians exchanged for ten or eleven other spies 42 00:02:06.239 --> 00:02:11.000 on the other side. And he lived in England in Salisbury, 43 00:02:11.039 --> 00:02:14.159 which is southwest of London, a bunch of miles and 44 00:02:14.199 --> 00:02:19.120 the poisoning took place on March fourth, twenty eighteen. On 45 00:02:20.159 --> 00:02:26.159 March fourth, he left his house. His car was seen 46 00:02:26.960 --> 00:02:29.680 near the town center at one pm. He left his 47 00:02:29.719 --> 00:02:32.800 house at nine am. His car was seen downtown around 48 00:02:32.840 --> 00:02:37.960 one thirty pm. At one he and his daughter Yulia 49 00:02:38.080 --> 00:02:41.039 went to a pub in the Bishop's Mill and at 50 00:02:41.039 --> 00:02:45.000 two twenty pm they dined at Zz's on Castle Street, 51 00:02:45.080 --> 00:02:47.919 leaving at three thirty five pm. Zz is a chain 52 00:02:48.000 --> 00:02:51.479 restaurant over there. It's kind of like Domino's apparently. But 53 00:02:51.599 --> 00:02:55.439 then at four point fifteen, an emergency services called reported 54 00:02:55.439 --> 00:02:58.199 that a man and a woman later identified as Sergain 55 00:02:58.280 --> 00:03:01.159 Julia had been found unconscious on a pub bench in 56 00:03:01.240 --> 00:03:05.319 the center of Salisbury by passing chief nursing officer for 57 00:03:05.360 --> 00:03:09.319 the British Army and her daughter, which is quite a coincidence. 58 00:03:09.680 --> 00:03:12.520 I don't know if the nursing officer for Britain just 59 00:03:12.560 --> 00:03:14.840 so happened to find this guy there. 60 00:03:16.039 --> 00:03:21.319 But there's also a chemical weapons research facility like ten 61 00:03:21.360 --> 00:03:26.319 miles away from this place. Coincidentally perhaps, But some people 62 00:03:26.400 --> 00:03:29.240 accuse the British of poison and poisoning them and I'll 63 00:03:29.240 --> 00:03:30.520 get more a little. 64 00:03:30.319 --> 00:03:33.360 More into that in a minute now. 65 00:03:33.400 --> 00:03:38.400 The way, so, Saragai and Julia ended up in a 66 00:03:38.479 --> 00:03:43.199 coma for about a month each, and the Organization for 67 00:03:43.240 --> 00:03:47.120 the Probision of Chemical Weapons OPCW came to England and 68 00:03:47.879 --> 00:03:49.800 and found. 69 00:03:51.000 --> 00:03:52.560 This novo chalk. 70 00:03:53.000 --> 00:03:58.840 Organo phosphate molecule on the doorknob of Screet Paul's. 71 00:03:58.520 --> 00:04:02.599 Apartment's wearing a bell that nova chok in this whole situation, 72 00:04:02.719 --> 00:04:05.919 Novachok is a very specific type of chemical agent being 73 00:04:06.000 --> 00:04:10.199 used in primarily from one specific group, not always, not 74 00:04:10.240 --> 00:04:13.199 one hundred percent, but it's it's kind of the for 75 00:04:13.240 --> 00:04:16.160 a long time was a very stereotypical weapon of choice 76 00:04:16.199 --> 00:04:19.480 for a certain three letter agency from a certain country 77 00:04:19.480 --> 00:04:19.839 in Asia. 78 00:04:21.040 --> 00:04:21.199 Huh. 79 00:04:21.720 --> 00:04:23.399 Yeah, if I could fill in the blanks, I think 80 00:04:23.399 --> 00:04:23.959 we're allowed to. 81 00:04:24.079 --> 00:04:26.120 But yeah, we are. We are just being physicious. 82 00:04:26.959 --> 00:04:30.040 Yeah, And it was developed in Soviet times, so we're 83 00:04:30.040 --> 00:04:33.439 talking before nineteen ninety, right, And you know, I'm still 84 00:04:33.480 --> 00:04:37.560 open maybe this actually happened this way. But one of 85 00:04:37.600 --> 00:04:40.920 the big inconsistencies here is you notice, you know, he 86 00:04:41.000 --> 00:04:43.240 left his house at nine am, and he only passed 87 00:04:43.240 --> 00:04:45.879 that out on the park bench at about four fifteen PM, 88 00:04:46.279 --> 00:04:48.800 so that's quite a long time for this poison to 89 00:04:48.800 --> 00:04:54.600 be incubating. And the doctor, okay, here's the new revelation 90 00:04:54.720 --> 00:04:57.560 that just came out this week. The doctor who was 91 00:04:57.600 --> 00:05:00.279 treating both of them, there were several doctors of him, 92 00:05:00.439 --> 00:05:05.480 was named Robert Cockroft. Actually, let me confirm that first 93 00:05:05.560 --> 00:05:11.839 name Cockroft was a yes, Stephen Cockroft knew, I know, 94 00:05:11.959 --> 00:05:16.000 I got it wrong. And he says that he saw 95 00:05:16.079 --> 00:05:18.800 Julia wake up on March eighth, just four days into 96 00:05:18.800 --> 00:05:23.319 the coma. And he's he's got a lot of experience 97 00:05:23.360 --> 00:05:25.519 as an intensive care doctor, and he works with a 98 00:05:25.519 --> 00:05:28.160 lot of patients who are in coma's after car accidents 99 00:05:28.160 --> 00:05:29.839 and stuff, and he always talks to. 100 00:05:29.759 --> 00:05:32.399 Them, and he thought he was doing a good job. 101 00:05:32.399 --> 00:05:34.199 But he asked her, so what happened? 102 00:05:34.199 --> 00:05:36.879 And she couldn't talk, So take this all with the 103 00:05:36.879 --> 00:05:40.439 greatest salt, because she was communicating via blinks. But he 104 00:05:40.519 --> 00:05:43.759 reports that he was asking her, so you went to 105 00:05:43.800 --> 00:05:47.399 this place, Zizi's right, and she she blinked yes, and 106 00:05:47.480 --> 00:05:50.480 then he said, well what happened there? Were you poisoned there? 107 00:05:50.800 --> 00:05:54.680 And he says she started crying her eyes out and 108 00:05:54.959 --> 00:05:58.040 ask her how did that happen? Did somebody spray something 109 00:05:58.120 --> 00:06:00.399 on you? And she blinked yes, So you know, this 110 00:06:00.480 --> 00:06:02.839 is kind of more or less one way communication, but 111 00:06:02.839 --> 00:06:07.560 he's sure when he recounts it as saying she says 112 00:06:07.560 --> 00:06:11.319 she was poisoned at the restaurant and then she went 113 00:06:11.399 --> 00:06:15.160 back into the coma and he told his boss about it, 114 00:06:15.199 --> 00:06:17.399 and his boss told him, you're not to speak about 115 00:06:17.399 --> 00:06:20.199 this to anybody. And this only came out years later 116 00:06:20.480 --> 00:06:24.680 in twenty twenty one, with a public inquiry, which is 117 00:06:25.279 --> 00:06:29.240 kind of a public investigation and it's not a full 118 00:06:29.279 --> 00:06:32.240 blown one. So in British law, if they do something 119 00:06:32.279 --> 00:06:35.759 called an inquest, then six agents can be called to testify, 120 00:06:35.879 --> 00:06:40.879 but with inquiry levels it's way lower than that. So 121 00:06:42.480 --> 00:06:44.759 we were probably not getting the full story from the 122 00:06:44.800 --> 00:06:50.399 British government on this, But anyway, OPCW came to investigate 123 00:06:50.920 --> 00:06:56.240 and Yulia and Serge were both given or at least 124 00:06:56.319 --> 00:07:01.279 Yulia was given a tracheotomy on March twenty first. It 125 00:07:01.319 --> 00:07:03.560 wasn't taken out until March twenty seventh, so it was 126 00:07:03.639 --> 00:07:06.279 kind of almost deliberately to prevent her from talking. 127 00:07:07.079 --> 00:07:09.040 Do we know why she did this? 128 00:07:09.240 --> 00:07:13.040 Like for the record, anybody who doesn't know tracheotomy, typically 129 00:07:13.160 --> 00:07:15.040 there's a high side and a low said they can 130 00:07:15.079 --> 00:07:17.800 do for this. If they go low side, they're pretty 131 00:07:17.879 --> 00:07:19.639 much slicing through your vocal cords. 132 00:07:19.920 --> 00:07:23.399 Like you may be able to talk again, but it's 133 00:07:23.639 --> 00:07:27.000 highly unlikely. So do you know why they gave her 134 00:07:27.000 --> 00:07:27.360 a track? 135 00:07:28.639 --> 00:07:31.319 Or the medical reason was she was she unable to 136 00:07:31.319 --> 00:07:32.600 breathe on her own or some shit. 137 00:07:33.920 --> 00:07:36.639 Well, yeah, I think they gave some excuse like that. 138 00:07:36.800 --> 00:07:41.279 But the allegation is maybe the British government and intelligence 139 00:07:41.319 --> 00:07:44.720 were trying to prevent her from talking. And the working 140 00:07:44.879 --> 00:07:49.279 conspiracy theory right now, there's a couple of layers to this, 141 00:07:49.519 --> 00:07:54.319 but the conspiracy theorists are alleging that the British actually 142 00:07:54.399 --> 00:07:57.800 wanted to have Sarah Gay killed because he was thinking 143 00:07:57.839 --> 00:07:59.879 of defecting back to Russia. 144 00:08:00.240 --> 00:08:01.600 Now I don't know if I believe this. 145 00:08:01.560 --> 00:08:03.279 Because this would imply that he would have to have 146 00:08:03.319 --> 00:08:06.839 a lot of inside knowledge of British intelligence, which he 147 00:08:07.240 --> 00:08:09.439 may or may not have had. I'm betting he probably didn't. 148 00:08:10.279 --> 00:08:15.680 But then the even deeper layer did this Actually maybe 149 00:08:15.720 --> 00:08:18.399 that is the deeper layer. I can't remember. I mean, 150 00:08:19.720 --> 00:08:22.519 this just came out, the thing about her waking up 151 00:08:22.560 --> 00:08:25.160 early and telling the doctor that she knows he poisoned her. 152 00:08:25.319 --> 00:08:27.600 And we haven't heard from them since except for one 153 00:08:27.639 --> 00:08:32.120 statement they gave in May. They signed a letter saying, oh, 154 00:08:32.120 --> 00:08:34.440 this is what happened to us, And they have pretty 155 00:08:34.480 --> 00:08:37.039 much vanished off the face of the earth since then, 156 00:08:37.240 --> 00:08:40.039 except that Serkai made one call to his niece in 157 00:08:40.120 --> 00:08:42.960 Russia that was recorded in twenty nineteen, and other than that, 158 00:08:43.159 --> 00:08:45.320 they have not been seen or heard from. They have 159 00:08:45.399 --> 00:08:49.559 not confirmed or denied anything. Some people wonder whether whether 160 00:08:49.600 --> 00:08:52.799 they're still alive or whether they were a target of 161 00:08:54.159 --> 00:08:56.960 like the British wanted to assassinate him because they thought 162 00:08:57.000 --> 00:09:00.320 he was going to defect back to Russia. Now, I 163 00:09:00.360 --> 00:09:02.679 don't know what the hell's going on here. It's just, 164 00:09:03.080 --> 00:09:05.159 you know, it's a lot of different theories in the world. 165 00:09:05.559 --> 00:09:08.159 And what do you think you still think through gr 166 00:09:08.240 --> 00:09:11.240 you did it, because I'm open to that possibility. 167 00:09:11.639 --> 00:09:14.960 All right, looking at this from all angles here, certain 168 00:09:15.000 --> 00:09:17.960 things of this story just throw out immediate red flags. 169 00:09:18.240 --> 00:09:18.799 Of course. 170 00:09:20.039 --> 00:09:23.480 They you said that they left their house at nine am. 171 00:09:24.080 --> 00:09:24.919 Yeah, they left their. 172 00:09:24.799 --> 00:09:27.000 House at nine am and passed out on the park 173 00:09:27.039 --> 00:09:29.159 bench at four or fifteen pm, and then. 174 00:09:29.120 --> 00:09:31.759 They went to Zz's around what time. 175 00:09:32.600 --> 00:09:35.200 A two to three thirty pm something like that. 176 00:09:35.360 --> 00:09:38.039 Okay, so the day itself was a very typical day. 177 00:09:38.080 --> 00:09:40.279 They went and got a late lunch, early dinner type 178 00:09:40.279 --> 00:09:47.159 of situation. Now, the poison or the agent I should 179 00:09:47.159 --> 00:09:49.279 say that was used, correct me if I'm wrong, But 180 00:09:49.320 --> 00:09:52.039 that's a nerve agent type of chemical weapon. It's not 181 00:09:52.080 --> 00:09:54.720 a It doesn't make you like exphyxiate, It doesn't fill 182 00:09:54.720 --> 00:09:56.799 your lungs with liquid or any of that. It doesn't 183 00:09:56.799 --> 00:10:00.000 make you, you know, bleed through your eyeballs. There's all 184 00:10:00.120 --> 00:10:03.720 kinds of crazy nerve agents or poisons. I should say 185 00:10:03.759 --> 00:10:07.039 this one, if I'm not mistaken, it does attack the 186 00:10:07.120 --> 00:10:08.120 nerves themselves. 187 00:10:08.120 --> 00:10:11.000 Correct, Yeah, that is what it's supposed to do. 188 00:10:11.399 --> 00:10:13.879 And if I'm not, I'm not like an expert on 189 00:10:13.919 --> 00:10:15.919 this by any means, But if I'm not mistaken, the 190 00:10:15.960 --> 00:10:21.120 research that I did too into this weapon for that episode. 191 00:10:22.240 --> 00:10:24.879 There's different ways that it can be administered, like, for instance, 192 00:10:24.919 --> 00:10:27.399 it can be on a door knob, but just touching 193 00:10:27.399 --> 00:10:30.240 it with your bare hands isn't a guarantee that it's 194 00:10:30.240 --> 00:10:33.799 going to get to its intended target, or at least. 195 00:10:35.519 --> 00:10:38.279 Accomplish it's an intended purpose. 196 00:10:38.919 --> 00:10:43.039 Now, ingesting it, breathing it in, or having it injected. Now, 197 00:10:43.039 --> 00:10:45.759 these are other ways, of course, But just putting it 198 00:10:45.799 --> 00:10:49.679 on a doorknob possibly, sure, But that's assuming that these 199 00:10:49.679 --> 00:10:52.200 aren't like super neat freaks to wash their hands constantly, 200 00:10:52.440 --> 00:10:57.320 you know that kind of thing. Somebody walking into the restaurant, 201 00:10:57.480 --> 00:10:59.960 just kind of spraying it straight up like the scarecrow 202 00:11:00.320 --> 00:11:02.519 the on Batman, just sh out of a wrist thing 203 00:11:02.559 --> 00:11:05.120 and then they got it. Sure, I could see that too, 204 00:11:05.159 --> 00:11:08.360 But we're talking about them leaving a restaurant at three 205 00:11:08.519 --> 00:11:10.639 in the afternoon and then showing up at a park 206 00:11:10.679 --> 00:11:12.960 bench at four in the afternoon, four fifteen. I mean, 207 00:11:13.240 --> 00:11:15.559 I'm skiffing on the little numbers here, you know, the 208 00:11:15.639 --> 00:11:17.159 little small change details. 209 00:11:17.200 --> 00:11:19.879 But yeah, there's ways smaller time lag there than leaving 210 00:11:19.919 --> 00:11:21.720 the house at nine am to four pm. 211 00:11:21.840 --> 00:11:23.879 So it is more believable this way. 212 00:11:24.320 --> 00:11:27.519 But that is broad daylight. That is, that's not like 213 00:11:27.559 --> 00:11:29.360 they drug them to a back alley. They didn't get 214 00:11:29.360 --> 00:11:31.120 thrown in the back of a van somewhere and then 215 00:11:31.159 --> 00:11:32.639 they got placed on these benches. 216 00:11:32.679 --> 00:11:35.519 For that to have happened in that way. 217 00:11:35.720 --> 00:11:38.039 I feel like there's a lot of key details that 218 00:11:38.080 --> 00:11:40.080 are missing within that critical hour. 219 00:11:41.200 --> 00:11:41.360 Now. 220 00:11:41.399 --> 00:11:44.200 I don't know the city's layout that they were in. 221 00:11:44.240 --> 00:11:45.720 I don't know if there's a lot of like traffic 222 00:11:45.720 --> 00:11:48.240 cams or things that could be pulled and seen as 223 00:11:48.279 --> 00:11:51.200 far as how are they were they walking out of 224 00:11:51.240 --> 00:11:54.320 this restaurant, were they staggering out? Were they There's a 225 00:11:54.320 --> 00:11:57.799 lot of things unknown there now for them to not 226 00:11:58.000 --> 00:12:00.399 die instantly or not instantly, but in the matter of 227 00:12:00.399 --> 00:12:03.600 an hour or two from this, especially with the agent 228 00:12:03.639 --> 00:12:07.200 that was being used, there is a working theory to 229 00:12:07.240 --> 00:12:10.679 say that that type of substance has a shelf life, 230 00:12:11.080 --> 00:12:16.840 and they allegedly big allegedly have not produced that chemical 231 00:12:16.879 --> 00:12:19.720 agent since the fall of the Soviet Union because the 232 00:12:19.759 --> 00:12:22.960 Soviet Union operated under different walls, they accepted different things 233 00:12:22.960 --> 00:12:26.240 to be acceptable behavior. Fine, I get it, CIA during 234 00:12:26.240 --> 00:12:28.320 the Cold War was doing a lot of foul things 235 00:12:28.360 --> 00:12:31.159 and they still are one hundred percent still are, but 236 00:12:31.559 --> 00:12:34.759 not to the blatant level that they were during you know, 237 00:12:34.840 --> 00:12:35.799 the the Red. 238 00:12:35.600 --> 00:12:36.399 Scare and all of that. 239 00:12:37.360 --> 00:12:42.200 So I could at least believe within the realm of 240 00:12:42.279 --> 00:12:45.360 reality that this was an older agent that was being 241 00:12:45.440 --> 00:12:47.399 used because they have a stockpile of it and they're 242 00:12:47.399 --> 00:12:49.960 just trying to use it when they can, and it's 243 00:12:50.000 --> 00:12:52.360 not as potent as it once was, so maybe it 244 00:12:52.399 --> 00:12:55.240 didn't do the complete intended effect, but enough to where 245 00:12:55.279 --> 00:12:57.679 it put them both in a coma and really damaged them. 246 00:12:58.320 --> 00:13:01.080 Now for her to have a trait put in. 247 00:13:02.200 --> 00:13:05.559 Medically speaking, there's only a few scenarios where that is 248 00:13:05.600 --> 00:13:08.799 like the obvious correct course of action, and usually that 249 00:13:08.840 --> 00:13:11.320 involves whenever there's no other way for air to go 250 00:13:11.440 --> 00:13:15.120 into the lungs. Like I saw a picture of a marine, 251 00:13:15.200 --> 00:13:16.360 but I think it was a marine, it might have 252 00:13:16.399 --> 00:13:19.039 been a soldier. Honestly, his face basically there was a 253 00:13:19.080 --> 00:13:22.279 crater where his face had once been. He survived that 254 00:13:22.720 --> 00:13:24.720 because they put a trake in and he was able 255 00:13:24.720 --> 00:13:25.600 to continue breathing. 256 00:13:25.639 --> 00:13:26.799 His brain was still functioning. 257 00:13:26.840 --> 00:13:29.759 He just no longer had a face or you know, jaw, 258 00:13:30.399 --> 00:13:32.440 and he was not able to breathe through you know, 259 00:13:32.519 --> 00:13:35.000 these air holes anymore because they were no longer existent. 260 00:13:35.879 --> 00:13:37.559 But he was able to live through that, at least 261 00:13:37.559 --> 00:13:38.759 to the time they got him to the hospital. 262 00:13:38.759 --> 00:13:42.279 I think he later died from his injury. But for 263 00:13:42.399 --> 00:13:43.360 them to do that. 264 00:13:43.360 --> 00:13:48.480 That means that her entire esophagus was closed up from 265 00:13:48.559 --> 00:13:51.039 that to the nose in the mouth. I can't imagine 266 00:13:51.039 --> 00:13:53.960 that happening while she was laying comatose in a hospital. 267 00:13:54.879 --> 00:13:58.000 It would lead more credence to foul play. 268 00:13:58.360 --> 00:13:59.720 Either. Maybe it was Grew. 269 00:14:00.240 --> 00:14:04.879 Possibly maybe it was British intelligence, because let's talk about 270 00:14:04.879 --> 00:14:07.759 that now, he was kicked out of Russia for being 271 00:14:07.799 --> 00:14:12.720 an alleged six member. He goes to England and then 272 00:14:12.919 --> 00:14:14.840 they're saying that he was trying to go back to 273 00:14:14.879 --> 00:14:17.240 b KGB again or Grew or whatever the case is. 274 00:14:18.519 --> 00:14:21.559 Could it be that he was kicked out of Russia 275 00:14:21.679 --> 00:14:24.120 just for the story and they were saying that he 276 00:14:24.159 --> 00:14:26.399 was an MI six agent In reality he wasn't. But 277 00:14:26.440 --> 00:14:29.159 that was the kind of like The Departed, right, Leo 278 00:14:29.200 --> 00:14:31.320 DiCaprio's character had to go to jail to seem like 279 00:14:31.320 --> 00:14:33.559 a criminal even though he actually didn't commit a crime. 280 00:14:33.600 --> 00:14:35.360 It was for the story, it was for the act. 281 00:14:36.159 --> 00:14:39.240 I could see that being the case, But for them 282 00:14:39.279 --> 00:14:43.120 to take him and his daughter in that way, that, ah, 283 00:14:43.320 --> 00:14:46.759 that's messy, even for even Soviet era Russia. 284 00:14:46.879 --> 00:14:48.080 That's messy, messy. 285 00:14:49.360 --> 00:14:51.960 Yeah, I'm looking it up. He was convicted in two 286 00:14:52.000 --> 00:14:55.720 thousand and six, convicted of spying for Britain. Prosecutor said 287 00:14:55.759 --> 00:14:58.120 he had been supplying Six with the information since the 288 00:14:58.200 --> 00:15:00.799 nineties and was paid one hundred thousand dollars by Six 289 00:15:00.840 --> 00:15:05.080 for the information. This is the Russian legal system saying this, 290 00:15:05.200 --> 00:15:07.799 and maybe it's right, maybe it's wrong, but I actually 291 00:15:07.879 --> 00:15:11.240 forgot one other kind of important thing for them to 292 00:15:11.840 --> 00:15:14.320 for the final blame for this to come down to 293 00:15:14.399 --> 00:15:17.799 Novi Chok. There was actually one person who died in 294 00:15:17.879 --> 00:15:22.120 this hole, in this whole debacle. It was a homeless 295 00:15:22.159 --> 00:15:26.440 woman named don Sturgis, and she died on April thirtieth, 296 00:15:26.919 --> 00:15:32.279 remember that the original attack took place on March fourth, 297 00:15:32.879 --> 00:15:37.039 and she allegedly was well, there was a guy I 298 00:15:37.080 --> 00:15:41.840 forget his name who fished a bottle of perfume out 299 00:15:41.840 --> 00:15:47.919 of a trash can north of Salisbury and gave it 300 00:15:47.960 --> 00:15:50.559 to Don Sturgis, and she thought it was perfume, so 301 00:15:50.600 --> 00:15:53.399 she sprayed it on her hand and then she died 302 00:15:53.440 --> 00:15:57.440 from it. But with it being two whole months later, 303 00:15:58.240 --> 00:16:01.639 I'm kind of pushed next to doubt. I'm thinking that 304 00:16:01.720 --> 00:16:04.240 if there was foul play here, you know, maybe the 305 00:16:04.240 --> 00:16:09.120 British government needed, you know, an actual dead body and 306 00:16:09.320 --> 00:16:12.600 to claim that novichok did it. And how hard would 307 00:16:12.639 --> 00:16:15.200 it be to fabricate the toxicology report to say, oh, 308 00:16:15.200 --> 00:16:18.039 we found this organo phosphate, it's novachok. 309 00:16:18.080 --> 00:16:19.600 And especially on a homeless woman. 310 00:16:20.279 --> 00:16:24.399 Yeah, yeah, a homeless woman who probably died of something else, and. 311 00:16:24.600 --> 00:16:26.840 That story would check out, Like, Okay, if somebody was 312 00:16:26.840 --> 00:16:28.799 to spray perfume on the wrist and then smell it, 313 00:16:29.159 --> 00:16:34.559 you are inhaling basic pure novachalk. I could understand why that. Yeah, yeah, 314 00:16:34.559 --> 00:16:37.879 I get it. The pieces of the puzzle fall together. However, 315 00:16:38.120 --> 00:16:41.159 a random homeless woman that had no connection to any 316 00:16:41.240 --> 00:16:44.720 of this, or at least allegedly who knows, dying as 317 00:16:44.759 --> 00:16:46.840 a result of this, and oh well, that must be 318 00:16:46.879 --> 00:16:48.320 the perfume bottle that was used. 319 00:16:49.000 --> 00:16:49.879 When you know what I mean? 320 00:16:50.080 --> 00:16:52.440 Are we saying that a perfume bottle was used as 321 00:16:52.480 --> 00:16:56.679 the weapon of choice by the alleged assassins. 322 00:16:57.360 --> 00:17:00.360 I possibly sure. I just I feel like there's better 323 00:17:00.360 --> 00:17:02.120 way to do it, you know, Yeah. 324 00:17:02.000 --> 00:17:04.480 Maybe it smiles loving and pour it on the doorknob. 325 00:17:04.880 --> 00:17:07.839 It's all possible, And you know, it just pains me 326 00:17:07.920 --> 00:17:10.720 that we're probably never gonna know till we're all dead 327 00:17:10.759 --> 00:17:12.920 and we get to ask God what really happened here? 328 00:17:13.440 --> 00:17:17.160 I yeah, I could see it being Russia trying to 329 00:17:17.200 --> 00:17:20.480 tie up loose ends. I could equally see it being 330 00:17:20.759 --> 00:17:23.440 England trying to tie up a loose end and blaming 331 00:17:23.519 --> 00:17:28.480 it on Russia. I also, I'm not an expert in toxicology, 332 00:17:28.519 --> 00:17:30.359 so I don't know what kind of telltale signs they 333 00:17:30.359 --> 00:17:32.839 were looking for to say that it was absolutely novachok? 334 00:17:32.960 --> 00:17:34.920 Or is this also a doctor that's you know, on 335 00:17:35.079 --> 00:17:37.519 the take who just wrote that in the report? 336 00:17:37.799 --> 00:17:38.039 Yeah? 337 00:17:38.079 --> 00:17:41.599 I could see so many levels of incompetence on this. 338 00:17:41.960 --> 00:17:43.839 And also the whole story about him being paid one 339 00:17:43.880 --> 00:17:48.319 hundred thousand dollars that sounds ridiculous out loud, Like, Okay, 340 00:17:48.599 --> 00:17:51.920 so the guy was spying and risking his life in 341 00:17:52.599 --> 00:17:55.799 Russia right after the Soviet Union collapsed and all these 342 00:17:55.839 --> 00:18:00.599 things for one hundred k that seems like a low number, right. However, 343 00:18:01.839 --> 00:18:06.400 we just recently, like two years ago, had a Air 344 00:18:06.480 --> 00:18:12.079 Force guy sell the air strategy like software and data 345 00:18:12.599 --> 00:18:17.160 to China for like fourteen thousand dollars. So, I mean, 346 00:18:17.200 --> 00:18:21.240 it's like, there are really dumb people that do wild 347 00:18:21.279 --> 00:18:23.319 shit for very low amounts of money. 348 00:18:23.400 --> 00:18:26.200 That's not new. I just I have a hard time 349 00:18:26.279 --> 00:18:26.640 seeing it. 350 00:18:26.720 --> 00:18:28.839 Dude, one hundred k and all you did with that 351 00:18:28.960 --> 00:18:31.920 was move to just a random city in England and 352 00:18:31.960 --> 00:18:33.440 try to live your life with it, Like that's not 353 00:18:33.559 --> 00:18:36.720 enough to live on. I but maybe if he was 354 00:18:36.759 --> 00:18:38.960 taking that money while he was in Russia, I mean, 355 00:18:39.000 --> 00:18:41.960 after the Soviet Union collapse, their economy was absolutely in 356 00:18:42.000 --> 00:18:45.200 the shit, or so maybe one hundred k US or 357 00:18:45.200 --> 00:18:48.480 one hundred k euro, whatever the case was, maybe that 358 00:18:48.599 --> 00:18:51.119 did in fact go a long way in that economy. 359 00:18:52.039 --> 00:18:54.200 I don't know. There's way too many red flags on 360 00:18:54.240 --> 00:18:54.759 the play here. 361 00:18:55.680 --> 00:18:58.960 Another thing is that nerve gas is supposed to be 362 00:18:59.000 --> 00:19:02.279 really really really really toxic. Yeah, only a few milligrams 363 00:19:02.279 --> 00:19:06.480 should be necessary to kill a person, so uh, And 364 00:19:06.599 --> 00:19:09.559 Vladimir Putin's been asked about this on a number of occasions. 365 00:19:09.640 --> 00:19:11.759 He says, I'm not an expert, but I think that 366 00:19:11.839 --> 00:19:15.000 if this were really military grade, it would have taken 367 00:19:15.039 --> 00:19:18.839 a microscopic amount micrograms, and you know they would have 368 00:19:18.880 --> 00:19:20.079 been dead right away. 369 00:19:20.440 --> 00:19:20.640 You know. 370 00:19:20.720 --> 00:19:23.440 This novie chalk allegedly has been used on alex Say 371 00:19:23.519 --> 00:19:26.839 NAVALNI and others, and pretty much everyone who has ever 372 00:19:27.400 --> 00:19:30.920 allegedly been used on has survived except for Don Sturgis. 373 00:19:31.039 --> 00:19:32.839 And I've heard that that's because it has a shelf 374 00:19:32.880 --> 00:19:35.839 life and it's lost its potency over years or whatever 375 00:19:35.880 --> 00:19:36.480 the case is. 376 00:19:36.720 --> 00:19:39.880 That's a theory. I'm not really convinced on it. 377 00:19:40.319 --> 00:19:43.319 I mean, that's like saying a mustard gas bomb from 378 00:19:43.359 --> 00:19:47.119 World War Two that didn't explode, it's just unexploded ordinance 379 00:19:47.160 --> 00:19:48.960 in the ground, and some farmer hits it with his 380 00:19:49.000 --> 00:19:51.880 plow like he won't die, Like, oh, yes he will, 381 00:19:52.160 --> 00:19:54.839 you know, potency and not, that's still gonna it's still 382 00:19:54.839 --> 00:19:55.680 gonna do the job. 383 00:19:56.880 --> 00:19:57.640 Yeah. 384 00:19:57.720 --> 00:20:00.359 Well, anyway, that's all I think I have for that story, 385 00:20:00.400 --> 00:20:02.119 and I think we got plenty of time left for 386 00:20:02.640 --> 00:20:04.279 other stories and other people. 387 00:20:04.599 --> 00:20:04.880 We do. 388 00:20:05.000 --> 00:20:10.359 Indeed we do, indeed as far as that case is concerned. 389 00:20:10.599 --> 00:20:13.119 And that's the Vladimir Putin's saying he's not an expert 390 00:20:13.160 --> 00:20:17.559 on that, respectfully, I would have to disagree. That'd be 391 00:20:17.599 --> 00:20:20.160 like George Bush Senior saying he's not an expert on 392 00:20:20.640 --> 00:20:23.319 the things the CIA does. But it's like, but you 393 00:20:23.400 --> 00:20:25.759 led the CIA, like you, Yeah, you may not have 394 00:20:25.799 --> 00:20:29.160 been a operator in the field, but you know the 395 00:20:29.200 --> 00:20:31.920 operating procedures, and you could you would be able to 396 00:20:31.920 --> 00:20:33.640 tell if it was your boys at work or not. 397 00:20:34.359 --> 00:20:37.200 Putin was former KGB, and if I'm not mistaken, he 398 00:20:37.279 --> 00:20:38.720 wasn't like a low level peon. 399 00:20:38.839 --> 00:20:40.480 He kind of ran shit for a good. 400 00:20:40.319 --> 00:20:44.200 While, So I feel like he would know more than 401 00:20:44.279 --> 00:20:46.880 most if it was one of his groups or an 402 00:20:46.920 --> 00:20:48.799 agent that is used by Russia or not. 403 00:20:49.480 --> 00:20:52.039 But it's not like he would openly admit that that 404 00:20:52.200 --> 00:20:52.559 was them. 405 00:20:52.640 --> 00:20:54.880 So I mean, I'm not blaming him for keeping up 406 00:20:54.880 --> 00:20:57.200 the story on that front either. I understand why he 407 00:20:57.240 --> 00:20:59.039 would do that, especially in the position he's in now. 408 00:20:59.319 --> 00:21:01.279 But yeah, by the way, have you ever seen the 409 00:21:01.319 --> 00:21:04.720 picture of him standing next to Ronald Reagan in Moscow 410 00:21:05.279 --> 00:21:06.359 posing as a tourist. 411 00:21:07.559 --> 00:21:08.680 No, it's a real thing. 412 00:21:08.960 --> 00:21:11.839 Yeah, he was posing as a tourist standing next to 413 00:21:11.920 --> 00:21:14.880 Ronald Reagan in Red Square in Russia at some point 414 00:21:14.960 --> 00:21:15.640 in the eighties. 415 00:21:16.440 --> 00:21:22.839 Wow, that's pretty wild. See all right, Kretman from wrong Tony. 416 00:21:22.880 --> 00:21:27.960 But there was a situation. Putin was probably a mid 417 00:21:28.039 --> 00:21:30.480 level guy with the KGB, but the story goes that 418 00:21:30.559 --> 00:21:32.359 he was directly involved with this. 419 00:21:33.400 --> 00:21:35.519 There was a little bit of a hostage situation. 420 00:21:37.240 --> 00:21:39.839 I'm not sure which Arab country, but one of them 421 00:21:39.920 --> 00:21:42.920 decided that they wanted to play stupid games and win 422 00:21:43.000 --> 00:21:47.519 stupid prizes with some Russian diplomats family members, or they 423 00:21:47.519 --> 00:21:49.279 were trying to blackmail him, or whatever. 424 00:21:49.079 --> 00:21:53.240 The case was. They decided to piss in Russia's cheerios, 425 00:21:54.000 --> 00:21:57.039 and allegedly the. 426 00:21:56.880 --> 00:22:00.599 Leader of this group got mailed a series of boxes 427 00:22:01.039 --> 00:22:03.319 over the next couple of days with body parts of 428 00:22:03.359 --> 00:22:06.200 his family members, not all of them, but there was. 429 00:22:06.599 --> 00:22:08.720 It wasn't his wife, it wasn't it might have been 430 00:22:08.720 --> 00:22:11.480 one of his children or something like that. And since 431 00:22:11.519 --> 00:22:15.920 then there's been no Russian hostage situation from any Arab nation. 432 00:22:17.079 --> 00:22:18.359 I believe that. 433 00:22:19.240 --> 00:22:21.119 Yeah, I want to say it was in the seventies 434 00:22:21.279 --> 00:22:26.000 or even the early eighties, some group, some terrorist group, 435 00:22:26.039 --> 00:22:28.519 decided that they wanted to try to reach up and 436 00:22:28.559 --> 00:22:31.759 slap at the Soviet Union, and I guess they didn't 437 00:22:31.799 --> 00:22:35.000 realize how the Soviet Union did business. It might honestly 438 00:22:35.039 --> 00:22:36.960 have been around the time when the Soviet Union was 439 00:22:36.960 --> 00:22:40.000 in Afghanistan, now that I think about it, and the 440 00:22:40.119 --> 00:22:43.519 message was sent back in kind. And basically we just 441 00:22:43.559 --> 00:22:47.200 haven't heard of many terrorist attacks in Russia ever since, 442 00:22:47.240 --> 00:22:49.039 well up until a few years ago, we had a 443 00:22:49.039 --> 00:22:52.119 couple of psychopaths like try to go on stabbing spreeze 444 00:22:52.119 --> 00:22:57.599 in Russia, and they also got handled with equal vitriol. 445 00:22:58.359 --> 00:23:03.000 I would say, this is how that group does business. 446 00:23:03.160 --> 00:23:05.039 And that's why whenever we did that episode about the 447 00:23:05.039 --> 00:23:07.880 grow you're telling me these are the pipe hitters of 448 00:23:07.960 --> 00:23:08.759 the pipe hitters. 449 00:23:08.920 --> 00:23:09.720 Yeah, they I. 450 00:23:09.680 --> 00:23:13.039 Could absolutely see them doing some some foul things on 451 00:23:13.160 --> 00:23:15.039 behalf of the nation of Russia. 452 00:23:15.119 --> 00:23:18.920 Sure, I don't know, man. 453 00:23:19.960 --> 00:23:21.359 Anyway, thanks a lot for the time. 454 00:23:21.400 --> 00:23:25.200 I think Anthony had something spiritual woo woo going on here. 455 00:23:25.279 --> 00:23:29.039 Maybe all right, all right, let's let's shift gears off 456 00:23:29.079 --> 00:23:33.680 of geopolitics and assassinations and Anthony, let's talk about this now. 457 00:23:34.000 --> 00:23:36.799 Is this a wo wo type of conversation or is 458 00:23:36.839 --> 00:23:40.279 this a organized religion type of conversation? 459 00:23:40.319 --> 00:23:40.920 Where are we going? 460 00:23:42.279 --> 00:23:42.640 Okay? 461 00:23:42.680 --> 00:23:44.759 I wouldn't say it's necessarily woo woo. 462 00:23:46.119 --> 00:23:47.200 It is it is? 463 00:23:48.079 --> 00:23:52.279 It is religious? Okay, yes, okay. So I was watching 464 00:23:52.279 --> 00:23:55.000 this random video yesterday. I forgot to save it. 465 00:23:56.079 --> 00:23:57.480 Right now. I gotta preface this. 466 00:23:57.720 --> 00:24:03.079 I am vehemently against religious I'm gonna fuck this word 467 00:24:03.160 --> 00:24:05.359 up religious syncreticate. 468 00:24:06.759 --> 00:24:10.119 Synchronization, oh, secretismcretism. 469 00:24:10.359 --> 00:24:13.279 Yeah, I think syncretism or secretism. 470 00:24:13.319 --> 00:24:16.440 Syncretism, like saying all religions are are the same. 471 00:24:16.920 --> 00:24:18.319 Ah, okay, right, I. 472 00:24:18.559 --> 00:24:24.039 I am I I am against that. In this video, 473 00:24:24.599 --> 00:24:31.119 it was super interesting. The video starts off with Christianity 474 00:24:32.160 --> 00:24:35.599 is the evolution of Germanic paganism. 475 00:24:37.759 --> 00:24:38.880 Now that's a new take. 476 00:24:39.279 --> 00:24:43.160 Usually I've heard Christianity is the adoption of mythraism, and 477 00:24:43.160 --> 00:24:45.839 and they brought in from the Persians, and they brought 478 00:24:45.880 --> 00:24:46.319 in from. 479 00:24:46.160 --> 00:24:50.440 The Silk road. I've heard all of these. It's a okay, yeah, 480 00:24:50.440 --> 00:24:51.440 so I. 481 00:24:53.039 --> 00:24:55.440 And I find it interesting that the same video has 482 00:24:55.559 --> 00:24:58.480 hit my feed like three or four times, and literally 483 00:24:58.599 --> 00:25:01.680 the first the first couple of times, the first five 484 00:25:01.720 --> 00:25:04.519 seconds they say that line, I just get pass it. 485 00:25:04.559 --> 00:25:09.599 I'm like no, no, uh uh no way. But finally 486 00:25:09.599 --> 00:25:11.759 I just listened to it and it made. 487 00:25:13.519 --> 00:25:15.759 It made sense. I won't lie. 488 00:25:16.400 --> 00:25:22.480 So essentially, what it breaks down to is that we 489 00:25:22.519 --> 00:25:30.519 are living in post Ragnarok times and the Christian in 490 00:25:30.720 --> 00:25:36.720 modern times, the Christian God is or Jehovah Yahweh, whatever 491 00:25:36.759 --> 00:25:44.079 you want to call him, is a renamed balder Balder, yes, 492 00:25:44.759 --> 00:25:51.680 which I won't lie characteristic wise, traits wise, and how 493 00:25:51.720 --> 00:25:55.119 they are talked about. If we were going to compare 494 00:25:56.000 --> 00:26:01.240 one god to another, Balder makes significant more sense for 495 00:26:02.119 --> 00:26:05.720 Yahweh or Christ than Odin and Thorp. 496 00:26:06.599 --> 00:26:08.200 So break this down for me. 497 00:26:08.240 --> 00:26:11.640 I've heard a few different types of Nordic pagans say 498 00:26:11.680 --> 00:26:16.880 that Balder and Jesus are a pretty equal storyline, you know, 499 00:26:17.000 --> 00:26:20.119 And I've only ever heard like two examples be given, 500 00:26:20.400 --> 00:26:24.279 and they always sound very like poor comparisons to me. 501 00:26:24.440 --> 00:26:26.440 So what are the examples that you're bringing here? 502 00:26:27.440 --> 00:26:36.200 Okay, So the the examples are honestly sparse at best, 503 00:26:36.519 --> 00:26:38.160 like super super basic. 504 00:26:39.079 --> 00:26:41.440 Balder is described. 505 00:26:40.920 --> 00:26:45.240 As like Balder the light he is, He's loved by everybody, 506 00:26:45.279 --> 00:26:50.799 He's all about peace. He is the exact opposite of 507 00:26:50.880 --> 00:26:59.279 his father Odin. Right, and that so you know the 508 00:26:59.319 --> 00:27:05.799 north Smith, Right, Balder dies well after Ragnarok, Balder comes 509 00:27:05.920 --> 00:27:08.279 back and rules. 510 00:27:08.920 --> 00:27:10.359 So Balder survives. 511 00:27:10.839 --> 00:27:16.359 Balder and his blind brother Hodor survive Ragnarok because they 512 00:27:16.359 --> 00:27:21.039 are in Hellheim. Right, That's the only place the afterlife, 513 00:27:21.079 --> 00:27:25.039 the underworld is the only place that isn't affected by Ragnarok. 514 00:27:25.559 --> 00:27:27.200 And they come back after. 515 00:27:28.200 --> 00:27:32.680 Right, Thor's two sons, Magni and Mody, survive and it 516 00:27:32.720 --> 00:27:35.880 takes to both of them to wield his hammer. There 517 00:27:35.960 --> 00:27:39.480 are a outside of the man and woman that survived, 518 00:27:39.519 --> 00:27:43.039 there are a few divine beings that do survive Ragnarok. 519 00:27:43.720 --> 00:27:46.039 So the other than him. 520 00:27:45.839 --> 00:27:47.799 Being light loving and. 521 00:27:49.559 --> 00:27:52.240 Really like, if I was gonna say a god that 522 00:27:52.440 --> 00:27:57.279 embodies Christian values, I could. I could say that for 523 00:27:57.359 --> 00:28:02.160 Balder and the fact that he actually dies and comes 524 00:28:02.200 --> 00:28:04.079 back to quote unquote comes. 525 00:28:03.839 --> 00:28:04.359 Back to life. 526 00:28:04.359 --> 00:28:07.400 Now granted it's not three days, it's at the end 527 00:28:07.480 --> 00:28:11.319 of a cycle, but there, but there are but there 528 00:28:11.319 --> 00:28:12.440 are similarities. 529 00:28:13.279 --> 00:28:15.599 I've also heard the same thing about Odin. He was 530 00:28:15.680 --> 00:28:18.119 hung on a tree for three days and came back, 531 00:28:18.160 --> 00:28:20.960 And I've heard that be the comparison to Jesus's story too. 532 00:28:22.160 --> 00:28:24.240 But Odin didn't die on the tree. 533 00:28:26.000 --> 00:28:28.599 Okay, So I thought he had. I'm not I'm not 534 00:28:28.599 --> 00:28:30.519 an expert in this. I thought he had hung on 535 00:28:30.559 --> 00:28:32.920 the tree until death. But he was reborn so to 536 00:28:32.960 --> 00:28:35.279 speak with And that was, you know, after the knowledge 537 00:28:35.319 --> 00:28:36.400 and the whole one eye thing. 538 00:28:37.559 --> 00:28:40.000 So the way I understood that the I the eye 539 00:28:40.119 --> 00:28:45.240 was a separate, separate circumstance. Right, So like here's so 540 00:28:45.359 --> 00:28:48.759 there's some people that say he transcended death on that 541 00:28:50.000 --> 00:28:52.480 when he hung on the tree. There's nothing in the 542 00:28:52.519 --> 00:28:54.680 myths that says he dies. 543 00:28:54.880 --> 00:28:57.279 The I believe thee. 544 00:28:58.079 --> 00:29:01.000 The saying is I know that that I hung on 545 00:29:01.039 --> 00:29:06.359 the trede nine nights long. No bread they no bread 546 00:29:06.400 --> 00:29:10.640 I was given, no meat I was given. I stabbed 547 00:29:10.640 --> 00:29:15.960 myself with my spear, sacrificing myself to myself. So there 548 00:29:16.000 --> 00:29:19.079 is nothing in there that says There's nothing in there 549 00:29:19.079 --> 00:29:21.680 that says he died. Now, he might have reached the 550 00:29:21.920 --> 00:29:26.640 point of death, but he did not cross over, right, 551 00:29:27.160 --> 00:29:29.759 And you can and I can judge, And for me, 552 00:29:30.720 --> 00:29:35.759 I can back that argument up with he does not 553 00:29:35.960 --> 00:29:41.240 go to Hellheim when Balder dies, he now resides in 554 00:29:41.319 --> 00:29:47.240 Hellheim like the rest of us. And presumably when the 555 00:29:47.279 --> 00:29:51.440 other gods die in when the other gods die in Ragnarok, 556 00:29:52.000 --> 00:29:55.400 they also go to Hellheim like the rest of us. 557 00:29:56.759 --> 00:29:59.200 But I've also got a lot that also opens up 558 00:29:59.200 --> 00:30:02.079 a whole nother can worms around the myth, Like if 559 00:30:02.160 --> 00:30:05.400 Balder can die and come back at the end of 560 00:30:05.440 --> 00:30:11.519 a cycle, what's going to happen? Like when that cycle ends, 561 00:30:11.640 --> 00:30:14.759 does Odin and Thor come back? And is there a 562 00:30:14.839 --> 00:30:18.599 second part to that myth that where that is yet 563 00:30:18.640 --> 00:30:19.200 to be written? 564 00:30:20.759 --> 00:30:21.319 Right there? 565 00:30:21.319 --> 00:30:26.559 I got so many unanswered, unanswerable questions from North's myths. 566 00:30:26.839 --> 00:30:29.400 Yeah that it's it's it's freaking nuts. 567 00:30:29.720 --> 00:30:32.880 But yeah, speaking onto that one bit, I thought that 568 00:30:33.079 --> 00:30:38.039 was super I heard that, and I don't ever see 569 00:30:38.079 --> 00:30:43.440 me converting back to Christianity. But if I ever did, 570 00:30:43.640 --> 00:30:46.319 I feel like that would be the logic that would 571 00:30:46.319 --> 00:30:46.880 get me there. 572 00:30:48.200 --> 00:30:51.759 So all right, so we could talk about the historicity 573 00:30:51.799 --> 00:30:54.920 of things in a moment, But as far as Balder's 574 00:30:54.960 --> 00:30:57.720 story goes, it depends on the myth because there's one 575 00:30:57.759 --> 00:31:00.799 story that says he died from a spearman of mistletoe. 576 00:31:03.000 --> 00:31:05.559 Is he the one that sacrificed his hand to Loki 577 00:31:05.680 --> 00:31:06.400 Sun the wolf? 578 00:31:07.400 --> 00:31:09.480 No, that's tear tear excuse. 579 00:31:10.640 --> 00:31:14.240 Okay, So so yeah, there's there are two different myths 580 00:31:14.279 --> 00:31:19.359 around Balder. Like like I am, the the whole argument 581 00:31:19.720 --> 00:31:25.680 was kind of cherry picking certain things like oftentimes comparative mythology. 582 00:31:25.839 --> 00:31:29.440 Does you know, and I'm not saying that that is 583 00:31:29.519 --> 00:31:30.039 the case. 584 00:31:30.799 --> 00:31:32.119 The video was super short. 585 00:31:32.200 --> 00:31:34.359 I've literally just been in my head about this for 586 00:31:34.400 --> 00:31:36.960 three or four days, and I thought you would find 587 00:31:37.920 --> 00:31:42.119 the thought interesting as well. Like, it's obviously nothing that 588 00:31:42.160 --> 00:31:48.000 could be proved historically, if if for discussions sake, it 589 00:31:48.119 --> 00:31:53.039 even was real, But the thought rabbit hole has some 590 00:31:53.240 --> 00:32:00.160 interesting implications on the pagan side and the Christian side. 591 00:32:00.400 --> 00:32:03.799 So especially when you talk about the conversion of the 592 00:32:03.880 --> 00:32:08.680 Northern European countries to Christianity or in that time frame, Catholicism, 593 00:32:09.240 --> 00:32:11.559 there is a lot of things that were said and 594 00:32:11.720 --> 00:32:18.400 done to try to blend the cultures more fluidly. I 595 00:32:18.480 --> 00:32:20.920 and I mean, yes, I've heard these stories before, especially 596 00:32:20.960 --> 00:32:23.599 about Balder And I've also heard tear b used as 597 00:32:23.599 --> 00:32:26.519 an example of a Jesus figure. Then I've also heard 598 00:32:26.599 --> 00:32:28.359 the same thing with like Odin hanging on a tree. 599 00:32:28.400 --> 00:32:30.359 I've heard that be used as an example of something 600 00:32:30.359 --> 00:32:35.799 towards a Jesus like figure. Every it's like to make 601 00:32:35.839 --> 00:32:39.720 the entire story of just the death and the resurrection 602 00:32:40.000 --> 00:32:42.720 and the whole thing about that you have to pull 603 00:32:42.759 --> 00:32:45.119 not you, I'm saying, like the people that would compare 604 00:32:45.160 --> 00:32:47.640 these two in some sort of like a Venn diagram, 605 00:32:48.000 --> 00:32:50.200 you have to pull from like three or four different 606 00:32:50.279 --> 00:32:53.720 gods stories to make up the one story of your 607 00:32:53.720 --> 00:32:54.559 boy Jesus. 608 00:32:54.680 --> 00:32:54.880 Right. 609 00:32:56.799 --> 00:32:59.720 And with that being said, the Mythraic religion had something 610 00:32:59.759 --> 00:33:04.519 simil uh. The Zoroastrians had something similar, I want to say, 611 00:33:04.599 --> 00:33:05.359 not the Hindus. 612 00:33:05.480 --> 00:33:05.599 Uh. 613 00:33:06.039 --> 00:33:09.200 There was something of the Eastern, like far far Eastern 614 00:33:09.240 --> 00:33:12.640 that had a figure that had a similar storyline to 615 00:33:12.759 --> 00:33:17.680 the story of Jesus. It's like there's too many missing 616 00:33:17.759 --> 00:33:19.880 gaps to say one hundred percent that this is a 617 00:33:19.960 --> 00:33:22.519 one in one comparison. And you acknowledge that too, and 618 00:33:22.240 --> 00:33:26.119 I appreciate that it is interesting to look at. Don't 619 00:33:26.119 --> 00:33:29.319 get me wrong, I just I personally don't see it, 620 00:33:29.960 --> 00:33:33.759 especially when you look at the historicity of Yeshiah of 621 00:33:33.880 --> 00:33:40.079 Nazareth and the whole story of him, the manuscripts that 622 00:33:40.119 --> 00:33:43.400 have been transcribed and found and verified to be from 623 00:33:43.400 --> 00:33:48.759 the day and age. I it's it's it doesn't really 624 00:33:48.839 --> 00:33:51.319 hold a lot of water to me personally. I see 625 00:33:51.359 --> 00:33:53.640 it as a as like the thought process and like 626 00:33:53.640 --> 00:33:58.559 the hypothetical dogmatic debate that can happen because of these 627 00:33:58.599 --> 00:34:01.640 one hundred percent but especially when you're talking about the 628 00:34:01.680 --> 00:34:04.400 Nordic religion, because like you said, there's so many unknown 629 00:34:04.400 --> 00:34:07.720 things like, for instance, and this I hope this doesn't 630 00:34:07.759 --> 00:34:08.639 offend anybody. 631 00:34:08.840 --> 00:34:11.280 I am not intending to. I would like to be 632 00:34:11.719 --> 00:34:12.639 proven wrong on this. 633 00:34:12.760 --> 00:34:16.360 But we don't accurately know the name of all nine 634 00:34:16.360 --> 00:34:20.199 realms within the Nordic religion. We know seven of them, 635 00:34:20.360 --> 00:34:22.639 and two of them we are guessing at. But it 636 00:34:22.639 --> 00:34:24.559 would be the same if I'm not mistaken. And this 637 00:34:24.639 --> 00:34:27.679 is not a comparison of saying like in the Bible 638 00:34:27.719 --> 00:34:30.440 they say the ring of fire and they say shoal 639 00:34:30.760 --> 00:34:32.800 and they say, hell, it's all the same place, and 640 00:34:32.840 --> 00:34:35.519 it's like, it's not. That's not the same place. You 641 00:34:35.559 --> 00:34:37.159 gotta look at how it was being used in all 642 00:34:37.239 --> 00:34:41.280 these things. But so many people use these words interchangeably 643 00:34:41.320 --> 00:34:45.440 to make a point, if my studies are correct on this, 644 00:34:45.599 --> 00:34:48.519 as far as the Nordic religion of things goes, we 645 00:34:48.599 --> 00:34:50.800 know seven of the nine realms, but two of those 646 00:34:50.840 --> 00:34:55.159 realms have names attributed to them that other Nordics were 647 00:34:55.280 --> 00:34:58.719 using in other sagas almost interchangeably with these other two. 648 00:34:59.400 --> 00:35:03.199 And so it's like we don't really know much as 649 00:35:03.239 --> 00:35:07.199 far as the concrete of the religion. And a lot 650 00:35:07.199 --> 00:35:09.199 of that was because it was passed down orally, and 651 00:35:09.239 --> 00:35:11.159 a lot of these things weren't put pen to paper 652 00:35:11.320 --> 00:35:15.360 until much much later, after you know, hundreds of years 653 00:35:15.440 --> 00:35:18.199 of these people practicing this religion. And I also we 654 00:35:18.239 --> 00:35:20.039 can go back all the way to the Druids as 655 00:35:20.039 --> 00:35:23.960 far as like the protogenesis of the orators, right, the 656 00:35:24.199 --> 00:35:27.800 ones that passed it down orally for centuries until it 657 00:35:27.920 --> 00:35:30.360 had to be finally transcribed. And then half of the 658 00:35:30.440 --> 00:35:33.079 sources we have on it were written by Catholic monks. 659 00:35:33.239 --> 00:35:35.800 So you also have to test the not just test 660 00:35:35.840 --> 00:35:37.960 the spirit on these things, but you've got to test 661 00:35:38.039 --> 00:35:42.480 the biases on these things as well. But I mean, zombie, 662 00:35:42.519 --> 00:35:44.679 go ahead or ravenly excuse me to speak up on 663 00:35:44.760 --> 00:35:46.280 this one. 664 00:35:47.079 --> 00:35:50.239 I was just gonna say just about the story of 665 00:35:50.599 --> 00:35:52.119 his death and stuff. 666 00:35:51.800 --> 00:35:52.840 Like, there's really not. 667 00:35:54.440 --> 00:35:57.000 A lot of information that he's been mentioned a few 668 00:35:57.039 --> 00:36:04.559 times by an Icelandic excuse me, an Icelandic medieval scholar 669 00:36:04.840 --> 00:36:07.519 was actually wrote like the majority of his death using 670 00:36:07.519 --> 00:36:12.440 the mistletoe that was wielded that Loki convinced on the 671 00:36:12.480 --> 00:36:15.440 other guy to throw. And then there's like a Danish 672 00:36:15.480 --> 00:36:19.840 historian that also wrote about him briefly in medieval context, 673 00:36:20.559 --> 00:36:22.639 and then you have an and then he's mentioned one 674 00:36:22.639 --> 00:36:28.519 more time in an Anglo Saxon chronicle. The thing about 675 00:36:29.599 --> 00:36:33.960 history and about losing especially the oral language between people 676 00:36:34.119 --> 00:36:37.280 and the differences is the problem being is that you 677 00:36:37.440 --> 00:36:41.559 have differences in understanding words and then also using and 678 00:36:41.559 --> 00:36:45.800 translating those words. And this is one of those religions 679 00:36:45.840 --> 00:36:50.440 that is great, but there's a lot that's been lost. 680 00:36:50.480 --> 00:36:54.599 And even I follow a lot of historians that actually 681 00:36:55.119 --> 00:36:57.920 live there, there are from there, and they break down 682 00:36:57.960 --> 00:36:59.960 a lot of this information and there's a lot that's 683 00:37:00.079 --> 00:37:02.599 still like missing pieces. I mean, it's like trying to 684 00:37:02.599 --> 00:37:05.559 put together a puzzle, and then you have Christians that 685 00:37:05.599 --> 00:37:08.159 came in and wiped shit out, so it's like you 686 00:37:08.239 --> 00:37:12.280 don't have everything. So I find it interesting to tie 687 00:37:12.440 --> 00:37:16.239 lots of different religions together because there's lots of similarities 688 00:37:16.239 --> 00:37:20.480 across the globe with religion, especially when it comes to 689 00:37:20.679 --> 00:37:23.920 like origin stories and like specific like the flood stories 690 00:37:24.440 --> 00:37:28.440 and certain things. There's specific things that are seen globally 691 00:37:28.519 --> 00:37:32.639 with tribes and different locations. So it's a fascinating topic 692 00:37:32.679 --> 00:37:33.119 either way. 693 00:37:34.000 --> 00:37:36.519 The global flood story is another one that's really fascinating. 694 00:37:36.519 --> 00:37:38.559 A lot of people will compare that to the epic 695 00:37:38.559 --> 00:37:41.920 of Gilgamesh. Right, that's like the older or oldest quote 696 00:37:42.000 --> 00:37:45.800 unquote story of the global flood. We don't even have 697 00:37:45.920 --> 00:37:49.280 a complete copy of the Epic of Gilgamesh. The one 698 00:37:49.280 --> 00:37:52.800 that most people reference is the most complete copy that 699 00:37:52.840 --> 00:37:56.440 we have ever found, but that's even missing entire sections 700 00:37:56.480 --> 00:37:58.440 out of it, and say, piece together from other things, 701 00:37:58.440 --> 00:38:01.440 from other types or other of the Epic of Gilgamesh. 702 00:38:01.760 --> 00:38:04.719 It was written and rewritten so many times that at 703 00:38:04.960 --> 00:38:08.280 a certain point it's like, Okay, y'all didn't even make 704 00:38:08.320 --> 00:38:10.920 a complete copy of this until what like four hundred 705 00:38:10.960 --> 00:38:14.639 years after nobody was worshiping the dude anymore, or at 706 00:38:14.760 --> 00:38:17.559 least referring to him as some sort of a historical source. 707 00:38:18.599 --> 00:38:20.679 And you're absolutely right. As far as the. 708 00:38:22.159 --> 00:38:25.320 Christian chroniclers, of what they were seeing and what they 709 00:38:25.320 --> 00:38:28.480 were being told by their heathens to the north and 710 00:38:28.559 --> 00:38:32.000 all of these things, mistletoe is always very fascinating to me. 711 00:38:32.039 --> 00:38:35.280 Even the Romans wrote down how the gauls the Druids 712 00:38:35.400 --> 00:38:38.719 were taking golden sickles, and like harvesting mistletoe is a 713 00:38:38.760 --> 00:38:41.320 part of a whole ceremony they were doing. When asked 714 00:38:41.360 --> 00:38:43.679 about this, they explained that mistletoe was one of the 715 00:38:43.719 --> 00:38:47.400 only plants that was not helped me out the reason 716 00:38:47.440 --> 00:38:48.760 why it was able to kill Balder. 717 00:38:48.840 --> 00:38:52.639 It was it's not that it wasn't named. It wasn't 718 00:38:52.760 --> 00:38:53.800 it wasn't not blessed. 719 00:38:55.000 --> 00:39:01.559 No, so sorry so in regardless to Metropo. So the 720 00:39:01.599 --> 00:39:06.880 reason mistletoe was able to kill him is Balder had 721 00:39:07.000 --> 00:39:12.280 dreams of his death, a foreshadowing, and frigg his mother, 722 00:39:13.119 --> 00:39:20.679 Odin's wife went around and extracted promises from every single 723 00:39:20.800 --> 00:39:25.039 thing in the universe, from being to plants to rocks 724 00:39:25.400 --> 00:39:29.760 to not kill Balderah. Even the Jotans swore they would 725 00:39:29.800 --> 00:39:30.719 not harm Balder. 726 00:39:30.760 --> 00:39:31.480 They loved him. 727 00:39:32.159 --> 00:39:37.960 Right, She overlooked mistletoe because she had thought that there 728 00:39:38.039 --> 00:39:43.159 was no way that mistletoe could possibly hurt her son. 729 00:39:44.440 --> 00:39:44.719 Yeah. 730 00:39:44.800 --> 00:39:46.920 Right, And so we're going off the minutes where the 731 00:39:46.960 --> 00:39:52.440 mistletoe Dardult kills Barto kills Balder, And yeah, there's there's 732 00:39:52.519 --> 00:39:57.079 a lot of contention around that. There's a like I'm 733 00:39:57.079 --> 00:40:01.320 gonna tie in, I I would push fact that we 734 00:40:01.400 --> 00:40:03.760 do know, we do know what that what the nine 735 00:40:03.760 --> 00:40:08.960 realms are. Some of the names change differently depending on region, 736 00:40:09.639 --> 00:40:13.199 but I'm I'm sure there's people that will argue against that. 737 00:40:13.320 --> 00:40:18.039 But getting back to the Balder bit story, So what 738 00:40:18.199 --> 00:40:25.760 happened is Loki uses some magic to turn missiletoe into 739 00:40:27.239 --> 00:40:31.840 a dart a small spear, basically manipulates it to the 740 00:40:31.880 --> 00:40:34.880 point where it's hard enough that it can that it 741 00:40:34.920 --> 00:40:41.360 can pierce Balder. Because once Frigg had essentially gotten all 742 00:40:41.400 --> 00:40:45.199 these all these promises, they made a festival out of it, 743 00:40:45.280 --> 00:40:50.000 right a balder. Balder died by his own huberis at 744 00:40:50.000 --> 00:40:52.920 that point because everything had extracted a promise that they 745 00:40:52.920 --> 00:40:57.239 wouldn't harm them. So they're trying to stab them with spears, 746 00:40:57.280 --> 00:40:59.639 throwing rocks, all this other thing, and everything is just 747 00:40:59.719 --> 00:41:04.440 act off of them, right. Yeah, And Balder has a 748 00:41:04.440 --> 00:41:09.639 blind brother named Hodor, who I'm probably pronouncing that wrong. 749 00:41:09.719 --> 00:41:11.280 It's h O d u r. 750 00:41:11.519 --> 00:41:13.519 Somebody with better Norse can correct me on it. 751 00:41:13.639 --> 00:41:14.000 Hole. 752 00:41:15.360 --> 00:41:20.599 But yeah, uh, but he Hodor's blind, He's not able 753 00:41:20.719 --> 00:41:24.960 to u He's not able to do it. 754 00:41:25.840 --> 00:41:29.320 Right. So Loki, being the mischievous. 755 00:41:28.679 --> 00:41:32.119 One that he is and super jealous of all the 756 00:41:32.159 --> 00:41:35.440 love and attention that Balder gets, crafts this dart out 757 00:41:35.480 --> 00:41:40.119 of mistletoe and convinces Balder to join in the fun 758 00:41:41.039 --> 00:41:46.920 and Balder throws the missletoe dart that kills Balder. 759 00:41:47.280 --> 00:41:49.719 Yeah. Actually, as a matter of fact, Raven Lee just 760 00:41:49.760 --> 00:41:51.519 shared something to the chat. I'm go ahead and read it. 761 00:41:51.480 --> 00:41:54.800 Here, it says the literary sources the pros Eda of 762 00:41:54.920 --> 00:42:02.400 the medieval Icelandic scholar Snorri Sterlison. From from the Treatise 763 00:42:02.480 --> 00:42:05.679 on Mythology and Poetics come the most complete account we 764 00:42:05.840 --> 00:42:08.760 have of the primary tale concerning Balder, the story of 765 00:42:08.800 --> 00:42:11.519 his death and resurrection. The tale can be briefly summarized 766 00:42:11.519 --> 00:42:14.400 as follows. When Balder began to have dreams of his death, 767 00:42:14.440 --> 00:42:17.000 Freg went around to everything in the world and secured 768 00:42:17.000 --> 00:42:19.639 from each of them an oath to not harm her son. 769 00:42:20.079 --> 00:42:24.880 Confident Balder's invincibility, the gods amused themselves by throwing weapons 770 00:42:24.880 --> 00:42:27.480 and any random thing they could find at Balder, and 771 00:42:27.599 --> 00:42:28.199 watched them. 772 00:42:28.079 --> 00:42:30.480 Bounce off of him, leaving him utterly unscathed. 773 00:42:30.840 --> 00:42:34.280 Loki, the guileful trickster of the gods, since an opportunity 774 00:42:34.280 --> 00:42:37.239 for mischief. He inquired of Freg whether she had overlooked 775 00:42:37.280 --> 00:42:41.119 anything whatsoever in her quest to obtain oaths. She casually 776 00:42:41.199 --> 00:42:44.119 answered that she had thought the missletoe to be too 777 00:42:44.119 --> 00:42:47.400 small and harmless a thing to bother asking for such 778 00:42:47.400 --> 00:42:50.440 a promise. Loki straightaway made his spear from the missletoe 779 00:42:50.440 --> 00:42:54.559 and convinced the blind god hold holder, I can't do 780 00:42:54.639 --> 00:42:58.079 the ours to throw it at Balder. The projectile pierced 781 00:42:58.079 --> 00:43:01.559 the god and he fell down dead. The English gods 782 00:43:01.599 --> 00:43:04.280 then ordained that one of them should go to the 783 00:43:04.360 --> 00:43:06.519 underworld to see if they're I'm sure there's more to it, 784 00:43:06.559 --> 00:43:08.519 but yeah, I think they went to the underworld to 785 00:43:08.519 --> 00:43:10.519 see if he had in fact died, and they witnessed it, 786 00:43:10.559 --> 00:43:13.239 and that, if I'm not mistaken, wasn't that one of 787 00:43:13.280 --> 00:43:16.719 the reasons, if not the reason, that Loki was sentenced 788 00:43:16.760 --> 00:43:18.840 to like be tortured for all eternity or whatever. 789 00:43:20.880 --> 00:43:23.159 I mean, that was the straw that broke the camel's back. 790 00:43:23.360 --> 00:43:25.159 Yeah, but I mean. 791 00:43:25.000 --> 00:43:27.840 There were there were, there were other things, and that 792 00:43:28.159 --> 00:43:35.840 they actually yet. Odin sent Skerner down to Hellheim, not 793 00:43:36.039 --> 00:43:39.679 to see if he was dead, but to see if 794 00:43:41.079 --> 00:43:46.119 Hell would Hell would release him from her realm. And 795 00:43:46.320 --> 00:43:50.440 Hell said that if every living being weeped for Balder's death, 796 00:43:52.400 --> 00:43:56.599 that she would release that she would release Balder and 797 00:43:57.360 --> 00:44:02.800 all but one being in the entire universe wept for 798 00:44:02.920 --> 00:44:08.519 Balder's death, or one giantess refused to weep Balder's death. 799 00:44:08.559 --> 00:44:11.639 I forget the name that they give her at first, 800 00:44:11.679 --> 00:44:14.199 but come to find out it's low key in disguise. 801 00:44:14.880 --> 00:44:16.800 Okay, actually the rest of it's right here. Okay. 802 00:44:16.880 --> 00:44:19.039 The anguish gods then ordained that one of them should 803 00:44:19.039 --> 00:44:20.800 go to the underworld to see if there was any 804 00:44:20.840 --> 00:44:23.079 way Balder could be retrieved from the clutches of the 805 00:44:23.159 --> 00:44:28.920 death goddess Hell her her Maud, and another one of 806 00:44:28.920 --> 00:44:31.960 Odin's many sons agreed to make the journey, and mounting 807 00:44:31.960 --> 00:44:34.599 odin steed slept Near, which, by the way, is also 808 00:44:34.719 --> 00:44:39.239 Loki's son that he gave birth to when he turned 809 00:44:39.280 --> 00:44:43.840 himself into a female horse to dissuade the giant from 810 00:44:43.880 --> 00:44:47.679 completing the walls. That's also pretty fascinating as well. Slept 811 00:44:47.679 --> 00:44:50.159 near is the eight legged horse that allegedly the eight 812 00:44:50.199 --> 00:44:52.239 reindeer that pulled Santa sleighs stemmed from. 813 00:44:52.239 --> 00:44:53.280 But talk for another day. 814 00:44:53.880 --> 00:44:56.239 He rode down to the World Tree until he came 815 00:44:56.440 --> 00:45:00.000 to its dark and damp roots, wherein lies Hell's a boat. 816 00:45:00.440 --> 00:45:02.760 When he arrived, he found his brother Pale and Grimm. 817 00:45:03.239 --> 00:45:06.800 Sitting in the seat of honor next to Hell, Hermaud 818 00:45:06.920 --> 00:45:10.760 implored the dreadful goddess to release Balder, and after much persuasion, 819 00:45:10.800 --> 00:45:12.760 she replied that she would give him up if and 820 00:45:12.920 --> 00:45:15.400 only if everything in the world would weep for Balder, 821 00:45:15.719 --> 00:45:19.440 to prove, in other words, that he was a universally 822 00:45:19.480 --> 00:45:24.119 beloved As hermit hacclaimed, the whole world did indeed weep 823 00:45:24.199 --> 00:45:27.840 for the generous son of odin all that is save 824 00:45:27.920 --> 00:45:33.840 one creature, the giantess. Uh yeah, I'm not gonna try 825 00:45:33.840 --> 00:45:35.880 to pronounce that, because I don't speak the language next 826 00:45:35.920 --> 00:45:40.199 to us as thanks generally, as generally assumed to be 827 00:45:40.280 --> 00:45:43.880 Loki in disguise callously refused to perform the act that 828 00:45:43.920 --> 00:45:47.599 would secure Balder's return, and so Balder was doomed to 829 00:45:47.599 --> 00:45:50.960 remain with Hell in her joyless realm. While this account 830 00:45:51.039 --> 00:45:54.559 comes overwhelmingly from one source, bits and pieces of it 831 00:45:54.599 --> 00:45:58.039 can be found in earlier Old Norse poetry, and many 832 00:45:58.039 --> 00:46:01.000 details of the narrative are depicted on pieces of jewelry 833 00:46:01.079 --> 00:46:04.760 dating from before the Viking Age. We can be received 834 00:46:04.800 --> 00:46:08.280 reasonably certain that the tale as old as snory is 835 00:46:08.360 --> 00:46:11.719 not only authentic, at least in his general outline, but 836 00:46:12.039 --> 00:46:13.159 very very old. 837 00:46:14.039 --> 00:46:15.719 Okay, fair enough. 838 00:46:15.760 --> 00:46:19.199 So there is references to that story, and again there 839 00:46:19.239 --> 00:46:21.360 may be nuances to it. It might be like a 840 00:46:21.400 --> 00:46:25.199 small reference somewhere here, in a small pictogram here that 841 00:46:25.360 --> 00:46:27.199 is the most complete story that we have of the 842 00:46:27.320 --> 00:46:31.360 entire thing. I get it, But that's that's the thing 843 00:46:31.480 --> 00:46:36.199 that's not exactly a comparison to the story of Jesus. 844 00:46:36.400 --> 00:46:39.079 I I could see if you were like squinting your 845 00:46:39.079 --> 00:46:41.519 eyes and turn your head sideways and you're jumping through 846 00:46:41.519 --> 00:46:43.480 a few hoops to make the comparison. And I'm not 847 00:46:43.519 --> 00:46:46.119 saying you, Anthony. I'm saying like the people on the 848 00:46:46.159 --> 00:46:48.320 internet that try to say that it's the same thing. 849 00:46:48.480 --> 00:46:52.360 Jesus is literally this guy too, and it's I've seen 850 00:46:52.400 --> 00:46:55.639 them before and again it's it's always very weak arguments 851 00:46:55.679 --> 00:46:59.960 and very fragmented sources. Okay, with a grain of salt, 852 00:47:00.000 --> 00:47:03.840 I understand that most North mythology is fragmented sources, but you. 853 00:47:03.760 --> 00:47:04.360 See what I'm saying. 854 00:47:04.360 --> 00:47:06.400 It's like they're taking a small snippet out of the 855 00:47:06.519 --> 00:47:09.840 entire thing to try to draw that comparison. I equally 856 00:47:09.840 --> 00:47:11.960 disagree with people taking a small snippet out of the 857 00:47:12.000 --> 00:47:14.519 Bible and trying to do a whole sermon on it, 858 00:47:14.599 --> 00:47:17.519 like one sentence without any of the outlying context. 859 00:47:17.559 --> 00:47:21.320 You know, Yeah, I mean it's it's it's definitely a 860 00:47:21.400 --> 00:47:24.320 cherry pinking argument. Yeah, it was just a time i'd 861 00:47:24.320 --> 00:47:25.880 really heard that. I didn't know if you had ever 862 00:47:25.920 --> 00:47:28.920 heard anything like that before. I thought, like, like I said, 863 00:47:29.159 --> 00:47:31.519 for me, it was just I don't think it's true, 864 00:47:32.000 --> 00:47:34.480 but it was like, you know, dog, I just like 865 00:47:34.519 --> 00:47:36.000 to go down the random rabbit holes. 866 00:47:36.119 --> 00:47:36.679 Oh, no doubt. 867 00:47:36.719 --> 00:47:39.000 And I mean the Norse mythology in and of itself 868 00:47:39.079 --> 00:47:39.920 or the Norse religion. 869 00:47:39.920 --> 00:47:40.880 I should say, I don't want to. 870 00:47:40.920 --> 00:47:44.159 I don't wanna you know, sound like I'm belittling it 871 00:47:44.199 --> 00:47:45.039 in any way, because I'm not. 872 00:47:45.800 --> 00:47:49.079 It is a ultimate well you know what I'm saying. 873 00:47:49.079 --> 00:47:52.320 There are people that still worship these gods full till 874 00:47:52.480 --> 00:47:55.000 full hilt, like with the amount of faith that I 875 00:47:55.159 --> 00:47:57.960 worship God and Jesus. So like I understand, and I'm 876 00:47:58.000 --> 00:48:02.679 not trying to belittle these people their beliefs, but that 877 00:48:02.760 --> 00:48:03.880 being said, it's. 878 00:48:05.800 --> 00:48:08.400 I've seen it. I understand why. 879 00:48:08.119 --> 00:48:13.039 That the the moral dogma and the traditions and the 880 00:48:13.079 --> 00:48:16.599 type of lifestyle that the pros and poetics you know, 881 00:48:16.760 --> 00:48:21.360 teach to live by. It's typically morals that most people 882 00:48:21.400 --> 00:48:23.440 could agree with, as far as like how to behave, 883 00:48:23.559 --> 00:48:28.199 how to speak to people, how to honor your responsibilities 884 00:48:28.199 --> 00:48:32.199 and your commitments, don't get drunk, be a gracious host. 885 00:48:32.280 --> 00:48:32.360 Like. 886 00:48:33.239 --> 00:48:36.079 Most of what they teach and preach is stuff that 887 00:48:36.320 --> 00:48:39.639 most human beings could get down with by today's standards. 888 00:48:39.960 --> 00:48:42.119 So I mean, I get it. It's fascinating to dive into. 889 00:48:44.440 --> 00:48:46.280 There is also in line in the hovel of all 890 00:48:46.320 --> 00:48:51.559 that essentially translates out to trust no bitch, but guys 891 00:48:51.599 --> 00:48:52.639 are pieces of shits too. 892 00:48:53.239 --> 00:48:55.440 Oh but I thought you meant like actual bitch, like 893 00:48:55.440 --> 00:48:56.119 a female dog. 894 00:48:56.159 --> 00:48:59.599 I'm like, yo, the wolf mother would have something to 895 00:48:59.639 --> 00:49:01.079 say on that, bro. 896 00:49:03.400 --> 00:49:08.199 Modern street translation. I believe the actual line is there. 897 00:49:08.400 --> 00:49:10.480 It's you know, sritnicky things. 898 00:49:10.519 --> 00:49:12.159 And one of the things it talked about is do 899 00:49:12.239 --> 00:49:14.440 not trust a woman's heart for on a spinning wheel. 900 00:49:14.480 --> 00:49:18.719 It was fettered or something. But it also says that. 901 00:49:18.840 --> 00:49:23.679 It also says immediately after that that I speak for 902 00:49:23.760 --> 00:49:28.360 both sides. Oftentimes men speak fairly but have poor intentions. 903 00:49:29.199 --> 00:49:33.679 That's fair that that's very fair, you know, and I mean, 904 00:49:34.840 --> 00:49:40.000 if we're gonna get real here, real uncomfortable. As far 905 00:49:40.079 --> 00:49:44.719 as the way that Nordic people treated their women folk, 906 00:49:46.559 --> 00:49:50.400 a lot of scholarly debate has been done on this 907 00:49:50.519 --> 00:49:52.639 to say, like, oh, no, it was a very equal 908 00:49:53.280 --> 00:49:57.360 culture because women could divorce their husbands, but husbands could 909 00:49:57.400 --> 00:49:59.440 take like three or four wives if they so chose. 910 00:49:59.480 --> 00:50:01.639 Women could not take three or four husbands. 911 00:50:01.920 --> 00:50:05.440 I would not call that equal just because a woman 912 00:50:05.480 --> 00:50:07.679 had the right to divorce her husband and in rare 913 00:50:07.760 --> 00:50:09.400 cases would be able to even go up on the 914 00:50:09.400 --> 00:50:11.880 front lines with them. And as far as inheritance goes, 915 00:50:11.920 --> 00:50:13.519 I think there was a couple of times where like 916 00:50:13.920 --> 00:50:16.400 women could even get to the rank of y'alll, which 917 00:50:16.440 --> 00:50:20.280 is dope. They wouldn't become a queen of like an 918 00:50:20.400 --> 00:50:24.360 entire region like not you wouldn't have a queen of 919 00:50:24.400 --> 00:50:28.800 the Danes leading a raid somewhere like that would that 920 00:50:28.840 --> 00:50:32.280 would have never happened. And a lot of that does, 921 00:50:32.320 --> 00:50:34.000 I think have to go into the realm of like 922 00:50:34.039 --> 00:50:36.480 trial by combat or at least because you had to 923 00:50:36.519 --> 00:50:38.800 take the throne more often than it would be passed 924 00:50:38.840 --> 00:50:44.199 down to you, and most not all, there are some 925 00:50:44.320 --> 00:50:47.000 women out there that are absolutely stone cold killers in 926 00:50:47.039 --> 00:50:52.119 hand to hand combat. Most of the Viking men I believe, 927 00:50:52.199 --> 00:50:54.840 could have bested Viking women. 928 00:50:55.199 --> 00:50:56.679 At hand to hand combats. 929 00:50:56.760 --> 00:50:59.760 So if a woman would have achieved the rank of 930 00:50:59.760 --> 00:51:01.880 some like that, I think she would have been killed 931 00:51:01.880 --> 00:51:04.239 before she would have ever gotten a chance to do anything. 932 00:51:04.400 --> 00:51:07.440 But it's not like women were not respected or anything. 933 00:51:07.519 --> 00:51:10.440 It's not like they were looked at like second class citizens. 934 00:51:09.960 --> 00:51:12.679 Or any of that. It's just I feel like the 935 00:51:12.760 --> 00:51:16.000 culture was not as equidescent. 936 00:51:15.719 --> 00:51:19.440 As a lot of our modern interpretations would like to 937 00:51:19.639 --> 00:51:20.920 let it be seen as. 938 00:51:21.400 --> 00:51:22.800 Raven Lee please chime in. 939 00:51:24.639 --> 00:51:26.880 Well, it's kind of ironic that you're bringing us up, 940 00:51:26.920 --> 00:51:29.159 because I was sitting here while we've been talking, reading 941 00:51:29.199 --> 00:51:32.280 this new thing that just posted ten hours ago in 942 00:51:32.320 --> 00:51:36.760 the Science News saying iron Age Celtic women's social and 943 00:51:36.800 --> 00:51:40.000 political power just got a boost. And what this is 944 00:51:40.079 --> 00:51:46.119 talking about is they've been excavating these iron Age skeletons 945 00:51:46.480 --> 00:51:51.320 from these Celtic sites in southern England, and the DNA 946 00:51:51.440 --> 00:51:57.159 clues indicate that pretty much the males integrated into all 947 00:51:57.239 --> 00:52:02.039 female societies, and that the that they're proving that the 948 00:52:02.159 --> 00:52:07.400 women were actually inherently there's a the female centered marriage 949 00:52:07.400 --> 00:52:13.519 pattern that they were actually integrating certain specific men into it. 950 00:52:13.559 --> 00:52:16.239 And they've been digging up. They have fifty seven skeletal 951 00:52:16.280 --> 00:52:20.760 remains near this site, and then they all share a 952 00:52:20.840 --> 00:52:24.599 typical inherited from their mother, revealing that both sexes shared 953 00:52:24.679 --> 00:52:29.639 maternal ancestry and at the they were female dominated societies 954 00:52:29.679 --> 00:52:33.199 and that they allowed certain males to immigrate into it. 955 00:52:33.480 --> 00:52:36.400 And so I haven't finished the entire article, but I 956 00:52:36.440 --> 00:52:38.639 found that to be really interesting because I was like, well, 957 00:52:38.639 --> 00:52:42.400 this is interesting to because this isn't the only site 958 00:52:42.400 --> 00:52:46.760 globally where there is all female cultures where the men 959 00:52:46.880 --> 00:52:51.360 were coming in and providing something that the women needed obviously. 960 00:52:51.000 --> 00:52:52.960 Sperm, but protection. 961 00:52:54.079 --> 00:52:57.039 Well, I mean, but there is a lot of other, 962 00:52:57.480 --> 00:53:01.480 you know, groups that have been male female led. So 963 00:53:02.440 --> 00:53:04.760 I haven't got to read the whole article yet, but 964 00:53:04.800 --> 00:53:06.400 I'm still trying to finish reading it. 965 00:53:06.679 --> 00:53:09.519 There is absolutely something to be said for that, especially 966 00:53:09.559 --> 00:53:11.840 because there were so many men that would die in 967 00:53:11.920 --> 00:53:15.760 battle and the women would inherit their lot, you know 968 00:53:15.760 --> 00:53:17.599 what I mean. There are plots of land their their 969 00:53:17.840 --> 00:53:22.840 title in some cases. So there were examples of matriarchal. 970 00:53:23.719 --> 00:53:27.760 I don't want to say tribes. That's no settlements, if 971 00:53:27.800 --> 00:53:31.360 you will, but that is more of a few and 972 00:53:31.440 --> 00:53:33.599 far between things, or at least to my knowledge. If 973 00:53:33.639 --> 00:53:35.719 there is new evidence that has come out to say otherwise, 974 00:53:35.760 --> 00:53:37.599 and I would love to hear more about it. 975 00:53:37.639 --> 00:53:40.079 But if I'm not gonna say, like, correct me if 976 00:53:40.079 --> 00:53:40.519 I'm wrong. 977 00:53:40.960 --> 00:53:45.320 Largatha didn't she lead a predominantly female rand settlement, And 978 00:53:45.360 --> 00:53:46.920 I know they they made a reference to that on 979 00:53:46.960 --> 00:53:50.079 the show Vikings, But historically speaking, if I'm not mistaken, 980 00:53:50.159 --> 00:53:53.360 Largatha also did that with a lot of widows and 981 00:53:53.400 --> 00:53:56.760 a lot of elderly gentlemen that weren't seen as a threat, 982 00:53:57.000 --> 00:53:59.280 so to speak. But they pretty much just kind of 983 00:53:59.280 --> 00:54:01.599 wanted to do their own thing away from the society 984 00:54:01.639 --> 00:54:04.920 and the bullshit for lack of better words that they 985 00:54:04.920 --> 00:54:07.480 had left. There are examples of that, for sure, and 986 00:54:07.519 --> 00:54:11.280 there's there's examples of women being buried with all of 987 00:54:11.320 --> 00:54:14.239 the jewelry and the gold and the things to show 988 00:54:14.320 --> 00:54:16.920 a level of status, and the level of status given 989 00:54:16.920 --> 00:54:19.960 to the woman in that burial site would indicate that 990 00:54:19.960 --> 00:54:23.679 that was not secondhand from her husband's accomplishments. That was 991 00:54:24.039 --> 00:54:27.800 decorations and things that were given or earned. 992 00:54:27.400 --> 00:54:30.039 By her off of her merits. 993 00:54:30.159 --> 00:54:33.000 So I'm not saying again like women were seen as 994 00:54:33.079 --> 00:54:36.280 less than by any means. There are examples throughout there's 995 00:54:36.400 --> 00:54:39.119 female yarls. I mean, yeah, we could look at the 996 00:54:39.159 --> 00:54:40.960 example of like Budica. We're gonna go to like the 997 00:54:41.000 --> 00:54:44.320 ancient times, But the only reason that Bhudica led the 998 00:54:44.400 --> 00:54:46.000 charge in the way that she did was because her 999 00:54:46.119 --> 00:54:49.760 husband was dead and that they had just assaulted. 1000 00:54:49.360 --> 00:54:50.239 Her daughters and her. 1001 00:54:50.400 --> 00:54:53.400 But like, if her husband was alive, Boudica would not 1002 00:54:53.440 --> 00:54:55.679 have been on the front lines. And so it's more 1003 00:54:55.679 --> 00:54:59.079 of a case by case situation. I would argue that 1004 00:54:59.119 --> 00:55:01.679 it's not very indicative of the entire culture. 1005 00:55:02.800 --> 00:55:08.159 I don't know though, so I so, yeah, there's there's 1006 00:55:08.239 --> 00:55:13.679 absolutely examples there. I'm not a super historian, but but 1007 00:55:13.840 --> 00:55:17.039 I know I've read I've read it there, and I'm 1008 00:55:17.119 --> 00:55:22.000 confident enough to say that it has been there. Okay, So, 1009 00:55:22.599 --> 00:55:24.519 but it was kind of one of those things. It 1010 00:55:24.599 --> 00:55:28.440 was more of an exception than a rule. Now, what 1011 00:55:28.559 --> 00:55:30.440 I want to add to that, And I think when 1012 00:55:30.480 --> 00:55:33.079 we are looking back, and this isn't just in the 1013 00:55:33.119 --> 00:55:35.840 Norse Pagans this is across the board. 1014 00:55:37.199 --> 00:55:38.199 But using like the. 1015 00:55:39.679 --> 00:55:42.559 Example you gave of, oh, you know, Norse women were 1016 00:55:43.079 --> 00:55:46.079 you know, were traded so good because you know they 1017 00:55:46.079 --> 00:55:48.599 were able to divorce their husband's own land. 1018 00:55:49.360 --> 00:55:50.440 This, that and the other thing. 1019 00:55:51.400 --> 00:55:56.519 I think oftentimes where we get lost societally looking back 1020 00:55:56.559 --> 00:56:01.719 at older cultures and especially the Norse. That's the example 1021 00:56:01.719 --> 00:56:05.280 that I know the best people confuse. 1022 00:56:06.239 --> 00:56:10.440 Rights for equity. Yeah, and do we. 1023 00:56:10.559 --> 00:56:15.679 In modern society, especially Western society, we are not able 1024 00:56:15.719 --> 00:56:21.000 to understand how two things can be equal but different, right, 1025 00:56:21.159 --> 00:56:26.639 Like I think in from from my understanding in vite 1026 00:56:26.719 --> 00:56:34.360 in Norse Germanic culture, women were equal, but they were different. 1027 00:56:34.440 --> 00:56:38.719 They they had they had different roles and obviously on 1028 00:56:38.840 --> 00:56:42.000 you know just as today you know you got your tomboys. Sure, 1029 00:56:43.840 --> 00:56:49.760 but yeah, that's for me. That's why, like I kind 1030 00:56:49.800 --> 00:56:54.320 of stopped looking back, because we can't understand like we were. 1031 00:56:54.440 --> 00:56:58.880 There's so much that we just genuinely we can conceptualize, 1032 00:57:00.079 --> 00:57:02.639 but we we can know it, but we can't really 1033 00:57:02.719 --> 00:57:07.559 understand it because as a whole we just don't understand 1034 00:57:07.639 --> 00:57:08.880 those two things. 1035 00:57:09.519 --> 00:57:14.079 Yeah, I could agree with that one hundred percent. Ravenly 1036 00:57:14.119 --> 00:57:15.239 just sent a couple of other things. 1037 00:57:15.239 --> 00:57:15.400 Here. 1038 00:57:15.400 --> 00:57:17.199 This is the article I'm assuming you were reading here. 1039 00:57:17.639 --> 00:57:21.320 It says matriarchal practice is characterized by many British Celtic 1040 00:57:21.400 --> 00:57:24.679 community British Celtic that Bibutica. Okay, hell yeah, here we 1041 00:57:24.719 --> 00:57:30.039 go by British Celtic communities. The scientists say further comparisons 1042 00:57:30.079 --> 00:57:34.639 to mitochondrial DNA from people buried at one five six 1043 00:57:34.760 --> 00:57:37.559 British one fifty six British. I'm not sure if that's 1044 00:57:37.559 --> 00:57:39.800 an age or a location of a dig site could 1045 00:57:39.800 --> 00:57:44.280 be either or and continental European archaeological sites I guess 1046 00:57:44.280 --> 00:57:48.360 i'd answer my question. Spanning about six thousand years, revealed 1047 00:57:48.400 --> 00:57:52.519 shared maternal ancestries at six other British Iron Age locations. 1048 00:57:52.880 --> 00:57:55.360 Most of these sites date between four hundred BC and 1049 00:57:55.480 --> 00:57:59.679 five fifty BC. Previous archaeological finds and historical accounts that 1050 00:57:59.719 --> 00:58:03.679 suggesid Celtic women held considerable status. Greek and Roman writers 1051 00:58:03.679 --> 00:58:07.639 describe powerful female political leaders in Iron Age England, including 1052 00:58:07.639 --> 00:58:12.360 two Celtic queens Hell yeah. Prestigious ornaments and other items 1053 00:58:12.360 --> 00:58:15.480 placed in the graves of Western European Celtic women hinted 1054 00:58:15.559 --> 00:58:19.079 at societies in which property was inherited through maternal lines 1055 00:58:19.320 --> 00:58:23.599 absolutely quote that said, we were not expecting such a 1056 00:58:23.679 --> 00:58:31.880 strong and widespread genie genetic signature of Matrio matriologically got 1057 00:58:31.920 --> 00:58:36.320 it across Iron Age Britain, Cassidy says, wow, okay, so 1058 00:58:36.400 --> 00:58:38.840 there are there is in fact a historical precedence to 1059 00:58:38.880 --> 00:58:42.840 go off of with here, it says, across most of European. 1060 00:58:43.039 --> 00:58:46.079 Between roughly three thousand and two thousand years ago, Cassidy's 1061 00:58:46.079 --> 00:58:48.840 team found that Iron Age Celtic people in southern England, 1062 00:58:48.960 --> 00:58:51.440 including Durotrigians. 1063 00:58:52.280 --> 00:58:53.440 I think I nailed that one. 1064 00:58:53.480 --> 00:58:57.280 Showed genetic signs of substantial meeting with continental Europeans who 1065 00:58:57.360 --> 00:59:00.800 must have crossed it the English Channel. An infusion of 1066 00:59:00.800 --> 00:59:04.320 continental European ancestry in England and Wales first occurred before 1067 00:59:04.400 --> 00:59:06.840 the Iron Age, as early as around one thousand BC 1068 00:59:07.039 --> 00:59:10.519 to eight hundred and seventy five BC. A twenty twenty 1069 00:59:10.519 --> 00:59:15.119 one study concluded this those population movements may have brought 1070 00:59:15.159 --> 00:59:17.239 Celtic languages to the British isles. 1071 00:59:17.679 --> 00:59:18.719 I could believe that as well. 1072 00:59:19.280 --> 00:59:23.079 Social structures can vary in present day matriarchal societies. Cassidy says, 1073 00:59:23.400 --> 00:59:27.039 men sometimes dominate formal positions of authority, while women collaborate 1074 00:59:27.079 --> 00:59:30.639 with local maternal relatives and other allies to control family property, 1075 00:59:30.719 --> 00:59:34.159 direct food production, and make major buying and selling decisions. 1076 00:59:34.599 --> 00:59:38.119 Unlike more common patriarchal systems in which a woman marries 1077 00:59:38.119 --> 00:59:41.960 into a husband's family, matriarchal arrangements provide women with the 1078 00:59:42.039 --> 00:59:44.039 more access to education and divorce. 1079 00:59:44.880 --> 00:59:49.039 You know, there's also not there's some historical precedence to 1080 00:59:49.079 --> 00:59:49.639 this as well. 1081 00:59:50.039 --> 00:59:53.960 Spartan women, for instance, The Spartan women are actually who 1082 00:59:54.039 --> 00:59:57.280 ran Sparta because the men weren't allowed to live in 1083 00:59:57.320 --> 00:59:59.480 their home with their wife until they were thirty and 1084 00:59:59.519 --> 01:00:03.079 had already accomplish at least one, if not two military campaigns. 1085 01:00:03.559 --> 01:00:04.639 So as far as like who was. 1086 01:00:04.679 --> 01:00:07.639 Running the home front, usually women were the ones that 1087 01:00:07.639 --> 01:00:10.119 would inherit all of the land, all the property, all 1088 01:00:10.199 --> 01:00:13.000 the whatever, because their husbands would typically die in battle. 1089 01:00:13.559 --> 01:00:18.199 So what you had was essentially a women mafia running 1090 01:00:18.320 --> 01:00:21.599 the city state of Sparta for the longest time. Now 1091 01:00:22.400 --> 01:00:26.760 that being said, how did Spartan men marry a Spartan woman. 1092 01:00:26.840 --> 01:00:29.639 They would force rape her, and that was how you 1093 01:00:29.679 --> 01:00:33.480 took a wife. If you were able to top her, 1094 01:00:33.800 --> 01:00:36.280 so to speak, then that is now your wife. And 1095 01:00:36.400 --> 01:00:38.360 that's just how that went and it was accepted and 1096 01:00:38.400 --> 01:00:40.480 all these things, so like that's not a positive thing, 1097 01:00:41.280 --> 01:00:44.159 but that was also once that happened and the woman 1098 01:00:44.199 --> 01:00:47.159 would take on all of the inheritance of that guy. 1099 01:00:47.239 --> 01:00:50.400 It rolled in, it got passed down more to the 1100 01:00:50.480 --> 01:00:52.599 daughters than to the sons. Again, because they would go 1101 01:00:52.639 --> 01:00:56.320 on military campaign. I could see that also being a 1102 01:00:56.360 --> 01:01:02.880 thing with the Nordic, Germanic, Celtic, the Britannic, the Danes. 1103 01:01:03.480 --> 01:01:06.039 I could see something like that also happening because again 1104 01:01:06.440 --> 01:01:09.360 these were warring nations. Yes they wanted peace, but they 1105 01:01:09.440 --> 01:01:14.280 also pillaged as like a whole trade of theirs, so 1106 01:01:14.480 --> 01:01:16.840 like you would go on rampage, you know you would. 1107 01:01:18.119 --> 01:01:19.719 I could see why women would. 1108 01:01:19.480 --> 01:01:23.239 Hold a lot more power in reality than what they 1109 01:01:23.280 --> 01:01:26.400 would initially seem to the Europeans that were writing down 1110 01:01:26.440 --> 01:01:27.119 what they were seeing. 1111 01:01:27.239 --> 01:01:29.840 One hundred percent, Anthony, go ahead. 1112 01:01:34.719 --> 01:01:36.960 I just I just had to dip it in real quick. 1113 01:01:37.239 --> 01:01:39.920 I got to get to bed. Y'all, have a good night, 1114 01:01:40.400 --> 01:01:43.840 great conversations, and I will see all next. 1115 01:01:43.719 --> 01:01:44.519 Week, no doubt. 1116 01:01:44.559 --> 01:01:47.719 Brother, Thank you for stopping in this evening, of course, 1117 01:01:49.679 --> 01:01:52.119 So this is fascinating. 1118 01:01:51.599 --> 01:01:52.199 Stuff, y'all. 1119 01:01:52.320 --> 01:01:55.639 I enjoy these types of conversations, religious or history, or 1120 01:01:55.679 --> 01:01:56.679 whatever the case may be. 1121 01:01:57.400 --> 01:02:00.679 I dig it one hundred percent with that. 1122 01:02:01.480 --> 01:02:03.239 If y'all have anything else y'all really want to go 1123 01:02:03.280 --> 01:02:05.760 on or talk about, I'm all ears. 1124 01:02:07.320 --> 01:02:09.360 Have you heard of this new app? 1125 01:02:09.760 --> 01:02:13.440 Shaw Holm Show Little Red Book kind of like the 1126 01:02:13.480 --> 01:02:16.119 replacement for TikTok that's not going to be banned for 1127 01:02:16.159 --> 01:02:16.719 some reason. 1128 01:02:17.039 --> 01:02:20.280 We just talked about this on an episode we we 1129 01:02:20.400 --> 01:02:22.519 did only a few hours ago. 1130 01:02:23.760 --> 01:02:25.320 Oh you did so. 1131 01:02:26.079 --> 01:02:29.559 I am probably gonna ruffle some feathers on this one. 1132 01:02:30.400 --> 01:02:33.280 I am of the belief that any person who is 1133 01:02:33.360 --> 01:02:38.519 downloading that app for content creation purposes should be arrested 1134 01:02:38.559 --> 01:02:39.360 for high treason. 1135 01:02:40.960 --> 01:02:43.280 That's just me, Yeah, arrested. 1136 01:02:43.360 --> 01:02:45.239 I'm not saying put to death or anything like that, 1137 01:02:45.400 --> 01:02:48.440 because most of the people that are downloading it are idiots. 1138 01:02:49.360 --> 01:02:51.920 But this is an app that is not even shy 1139 01:02:51.960 --> 01:02:54.800 about the fact that they are, in fact an espionage 1140 01:02:54.880 --> 01:02:58.639 operation for the CCP. Like that's not a hypothetical, that's 1141 01:02:58.679 --> 01:03:01.440 not a well you know what they say, Like, No, 1142 01:03:01.920 --> 01:03:05.320 this app is very open and honest about the fact 1143 01:03:05.320 --> 01:03:08.039 that that's what this is. And you have all these 1144 01:03:08.159 --> 01:03:12.079 American content creators who are leaving TikTok and downloading this 1145 01:03:12.599 --> 01:03:16.920 as a form of protests to the government. So on paper, 1146 01:03:17.320 --> 01:03:21.880 you are actively and knowingly contributing to espionage in a 1147 01:03:21.880 --> 01:03:25.199 an enemy of the state. So I would take that 1148 01:03:25.280 --> 01:03:29.679 as you're aiding an espionage knowingly and willingly and should 1149 01:03:29.679 --> 01:03:30.639 be tried for treason. 1150 01:03:31.199 --> 01:03:33.079 That's just me reason. 1151 01:03:33.199 --> 01:03:35.400 Well, it's like, what kind of material is going to 1152 01:03:35.480 --> 01:03:38.280 be transferred to China through this app? 1153 01:03:38.719 --> 01:03:42.679 So it is able to and again everything I'm about 1154 01:03:42.679 --> 01:03:45.840 to say, yes, I understand that the CIA and the 1155 01:03:45.880 --> 01:03:48.639 Patriot Act and the NSA can do all these things 1156 01:03:48.719 --> 01:03:49.559 from our phones. 1157 01:03:49.599 --> 01:03:51.280 Currently, I get that. 1158 01:03:52.840 --> 01:03:55.360 This this app wants it's download the same with TIMU 1159 01:03:55.440 --> 01:03:57.119 by the way, but I'm not saying that everybody the 1160 01:03:57.119 --> 01:03:59.880 downloaded team who should be arrested like this isn't something 1161 01:03:59.880 --> 01:04:03.239 that most people knew about. Team who was actually down 1162 01:04:03.519 --> 01:04:07.079 getting more data from us than TikTok ever has. And 1163 01:04:07.159 --> 01:04:11.960 that's also not even a debatable topic. This red Book 1164 01:04:12.000 --> 01:04:14.599 app is, Yeah, I don't even know how to pronounce 1165 01:04:14.599 --> 01:04:16.320 the name, so I think it's either red note or 1166 01:04:16.360 --> 01:04:19.480 red book or whatever the case it is. It's able 1167 01:04:19.559 --> 01:04:21.719 to turn on your camera, even if your phone is 1168 01:04:21.800 --> 01:04:23.920 off and the battery is dead. It is able to 1169 01:04:23.960 --> 01:04:27.000 take all of your biometrics. It is able to track 1170 01:04:27.199 --> 01:04:30.320 everything that you do on every app, any of the 1171 01:04:30.400 --> 01:04:32.960 encrypted apps that you have, it's able to cut straight 1172 01:04:33.000 --> 01:04:37.639 through them. If it's already on your phone. It's everything, 1173 01:04:37.920 --> 01:04:40.639 every single thing that you have access to. It could 1174 01:04:40.679 --> 01:04:42.360 turn on your camera right now and take a three 1175 01:04:42.440 --> 01:04:44.239 D image of your house and then put it up 1176 01:04:44.400 --> 01:04:46.559 in their system and their database that they know the 1177 01:04:46.599 --> 01:04:50.039 infrastructure of whatever. If you bring it to work and 1178 01:04:50.079 --> 01:04:52.599 you have this red Book app on your phone, it 1179 01:04:52.599 --> 01:04:55.360 could absolutely just track your movements and take scans of 1180 01:04:55.400 --> 01:04:57.519 the entire facility and be able to tell where would 1181 01:04:57.559 --> 01:04:59.880 be the best place to strike to blow that place up. 1182 01:05:00.920 --> 01:05:06.320 It's it is insane, and it's telling you verbatim this 1183 01:05:06.440 --> 01:05:10.559 is yeah, it's Chinese own. So clearly the CCP. 1184 01:05:09.920 --> 01:05:11.599 Has majority ownership of it. 1185 01:05:12.400 --> 01:05:16.199 But it is for the purpose of collecting data for 1186 01:05:16.400 --> 01:05:20.599 espionage reasons, and people are downloading it to give a 1187 01:05:20.599 --> 01:05:23.039 middle finger to the government because their butt hurt that 1188 01:05:23.079 --> 01:05:27.440 TikTok's going away, and it's like, I'm trying, dude, I'm 1189 01:05:27.480 --> 01:05:31.800 trying to have empathy for people please do. Because Jonathan 1190 01:05:31.800 --> 01:05:33.840 and me got into it over this today because he 1191 01:05:33.920 --> 01:05:36.519 disagrees with me on this. He's like, he doesn't see 1192 01:05:36.519 --> 01:05:39.519 TikTok as a bad thing, and I always have I 1193 01:05:39.599 --> 01:05:40.280 understand that. 1194 01:05:40.519 --> 01:05:41.599 I'm biased on this. 1195 01:05:41.760 --> 01:05:44.840 I get it, and I understand that, yes, the NSA 1196 01:05:44.920 --> 01:05:47.440 can do all of those things on my cell phone 1197 01:05:47.519 --> 01:05:49.320 right now, even if I don't have any of these 1198 01:05:49.320 --> 01:05:52.480 apps downloaded, because Patriot Act is a real thing. 1199 01:05:52.599 --> 01:05:53.239 I get this. 1200 01:05:55.039 --> 01:05:58.480 But if it's my government spying on me, which I 1201 01:05:58.480 --> 01:06:00.960 don't like, but it's gonna happen regardless of my feelings 1202 01:06:00.960 --> 01:06:04.079 on the matter, or a country who is an active 1203 01:06:04.280 --> 01:06:07.400 enemy of ours, and it's very very likely that we 1204 01:06:07.519 --> 01:06:11.639 go to war with them in the next decade, you 1205 01:06:11.679 --> 01:06:14.039 see what I'm saying. I feel like this is not 1206 01:06:14.079 --> 01:06:16.039 a fair comparison of a one to one. 1207 01:06:15.880 --> 01:06:18.239 Here, Okay. 1208 01:06:18.320 --> 01:06:20.440 I guess I don't regard them as as much of 1209 01:06:20.440 --> 01:06:23.320 an enemy, and I really hope we can avoid war. 1210 01:06:23.559 --> 01:06:28.639 I really think it's unnecessary. So well, I agree we're 1211 01:06:28.880 --> 01:06:30.360 going to go to war in the next ten. 1212 01:06:30.239 --> 01:06:34.840 Years because China sees no other option. And I'm not 1213 01:06:34.880 --> 01:06:37.760 saying the Chinese people that are out there just trying 1214 01:06:37.760 --> 01:06:40.440 to earn their daily bowl of rice. Okay, clearly, I'm 1215 01:06:40.440 --> 01:06:42.840 not talking about your average citizens just trying to make 1216 01:06:42.840 --> 01:06:47.760 their way in this world. China's biggest asset has always 1217 01:06:47.840 --> 01:06:50.400 been their numbers and their manufacturing capability. 1218 01:06:50.840 --> 01:06:51.920 Okay, got it. 1219 01:06:52.440 --> 01:06:56.039 When they gave way to the one child policy for 1220 01:06:56.239 --> 01:06:57.960 I think it was like fifteen years or something like that, 1221 01:06:58.519 --> 01:07:02.199 they screwed themselves out of their biggest assets. And they 1222 01:07:02.320 --> 01:07:04.000 know that, which is why they have been trying to 1223 01:07:04.119 --> 01:07:07.000 muscle in the financial sector and in the industry sector 1224 01:07:07.039 --> 01:07:10.639 and in the tech sector, because what they can't do 1225 01:07:10.719 --> 01:07:14.800 with numbers, they can make up for in technological advancements 1226 01:07:14.840 --> 01:07:18.079 and closing in on the oil field and the oil 1227 01:07:18.119 --> 01:07:21.320 market and the chips and the resource grabs and all 1228 01:07:21.320 --> 01:07:23.719 of these things, which I understand it. I don't have 1229 01:07:23.760 --> 01:07:26.039 a problem with. By the way, they're trying to look 1230 01:07:26.079 --> 01:07:29.280 out for their future. And I mean as a as 1231 01:07:29.320 --> 01:07:32.920 a realist, what country's leader wouldn't be looking out for 1232 01:07:32.960 --> 01:07:35.719 his country's best interest ten twenty thirty years into the future. 1233 01:07:35.800 --> 01:07:36.320 I get it. 1234 01:07:37.360 --> 01:07:41.760 But that being said, they have done it to such 1235 01:07:41.800 --> 01:07:46.079 a degree that now their youth have no motivation to 1236 01:07:46.119 --> 01:07:48.440 do anything right now. I think they forget the name 1237 01:07:48.480 --> 01:07:49.039 of the movement. 1238 01:07:49.079 --> 01:07:50.599 Not the chin shell, lie down. 1239 01:07:50.920 --> 01:07:53.320 The lie doown movement. I've heard of it. I don't 1240 01:07:53.360 --> 01:07:54.400 think it's really big. 1241 01:07:55.199 --> 01:07:58.079 It's not big in like the rural areas, you know 1242 01:07:58.079 --> 01:08:00.159 what I mean. If your family owns a farm, you're 1243 01:08:00.199 --> 01:08:02.519 gonna work the farm as they always have. But the 1244 01:08:02.599 --> 01:08:04.840 people in the cities, which are the people that they 1245 01:08:04.840 --> 01:08:07.320 would want to work in the tech sector or go 1246 01:08:07.360 --> 01:08:10.920 to college for something better, they yeah, there are some 1247 01:08:11.000 --> 01:08:14.360 that are still grinding and earning their way, but it's 1248 01:08:14.880 --> 01:08:17.239 I would say it's by the numbers I've seen. And 1249 01:08:17.279 --> 01:08:19.199 again you have to test those numbers, because I mean, 1250 01:08:19.560 --> 01:08:22.239 where are we really getting that intel from. It's like 1251 01:08:22.279 --> 01:08:25.920 a third anybody from like fifteen to thirty years old, 1252 01:08:26.119 --> 01:08:27.920 like a third of them have pretty much just said 1253 01:08:27.920 --> 01:08:30.720 who cares anymore? Like the government's gonna take care of us. 1254 01:08:31.000 --> 01:08:33.119 The CCP is gonna either give us food or let 1255 01:08:33.199 --> 01:08:35.960 us starve. The jobs will be there or won't be 1256 01:08:36.039 --> 01:08:38.279 there when I get to that age, it just doesn't matter. 1257 01:08:38.399 --> 01:08:40.840 It's they'll do their part when the time comes. But 1258 01:08:41.079 --> 01:08:43.600 it's not like they're openly happy about doing their part. 1259 01:08:43.680 --> 01:08:46.439 They're they're pissed off that they are only a cog 1260 01:08:46.600 --> 01:08:51.039 in the communist machine. But aside from that, why I 1261 01:08:51.079 --> 01:08:57.920 see China as an enemy is because currently America is 1262 01:08:57.960 --> 01:09:01.560 the only superpower on Earth right and the only reason 1263 01:09:01.600 --> 01:09:03.520 we had that distinction is because we're able to wage 1264 01:09:03.520 --> 01:09:06.880 a war on two fronts simultaneously right now. No other 1265 01:09:06.920 --> 01:09:11.880 country can boast such a claim to the degree of 1266 01:09:11.880 --> 01:09:13.800 which I'm talking about here. Yeah, you can have a 1267 01:09:14.119 --> 01:09:16.279 group over in this country and a group over in 1268 01:09:16.279 --> 01:09:19.159 this country fighting on behalf of your nation, not to 1269 01:09:19.199 --> 01:09:23.279 the scale of two all out warfronts. We're the only 1270 01:09:23.319 --> 01:09:25.520 ones that have the numbers of the capability to do so. 1271 01:09:26.159 --> 01:09:29.119 China has been trying to level that playing field. I 1272 01:09:29.119 --> 01:09:31.399 don't think they're trying to level that playing field just 1273 01:09:31.479 --> 01:09:33.159 so that they can boast the claim. 1274 01:09:33.920 --> 01:09:34.720 The same way that. 1275 01:09:36.279 --> 01:09:40.399 Russia didn't boost up their military just to have a 1276 01:09:40.439 --> 01:09:43.520 strong military. They boosted it up because they intended to 1277 01:09:43.680 --> 01:09:46.800 use it. I don't believe that China is gearing up 1278 01:09:46.880 --> 01:09:50.159 for war or building up their navy and trying to 1279 01:09:50.159 --> 01:09:52.159 get their military numbers up and up, and trying to 1280 01:09:52.159 --> 01:09:54.840 get new military tech, and every seems like every six 1281 01:09:54.880 --> 01:09:57.279 weeks they're trying to release some new jet or some 1282 01:09:57.399 --> 01:10:00.800 new fighter, some new stealth bomb, and all these things. 1283 01:10:00.840 --> 01:10:04.800 I don't think they're doing that for bragging rights. I 1284 01:10:04.840 --> 01:10:06.800 think they are trying to look for an opportunity to 1285 01:10:06.920 --> 01:10:09.920 use their new shiny toys. I don't believe China is 1286 01:10:09.960 --> 01:10:13.680 gonna openly attack us by any means. I believe that 1287 01:10:13.720 --> 01:10:16.000 it's gonna become a trade war, and then one thing's 1288 01:10:16.039 --> 01:10:18.720 gonna lead to another. It might be Taiwan, it might 1289 01:10:18.760 --> 01:10:22.119 be a situation with Korea, it might be who knows 1290 01:10:22.239 --> 01:10:25.520 what will be the actual catalyst to lead to Chinese 1291 01:10:25.560 --> 01:10:28.880 troops and American troops firing at each other. But I 1292 01:10:28.920 --> 01:10:32.239 see that as a real, real likely scenario in the 1293 01:10:32.239 --> 01:10:36.239 next decade if some things really don't shift. I don't 1294 01:10:36.279 --> 01:10:39.159 think Trump's gonna do anything to calm that down either. 1295 01:10:39.960 --> 01:10:42.520 I don't think Trump's gonna instigate a war. I don't 1296 01:10:42.520 --> 01:10:45.319 think he's gonna go and kick the hornet's nest necessarily. 1297 01:10:46.840 --> 01:10:49.600 But he's also not known to be the chilliest guy ever, 1298 01:10:50.119 --> 01:10:52.840 and neither is Gee. You see what I just I 1299 01:10:52.960 --> 01:10:55.800 see it as the powder keg just keeps getting more 1300 01:10:55.840 --> 01:10:57.880 and more packed full, ready to blow. 1301 01:10:58.880 --> 01:11:00.720 Okay, Yeah, I was gonna ask, you know, what the 1302 01:11:00.760 --> 01:11:03.399 flashpoint would be, and I think if it was gonna 1303 01:11:03.439 --> 01:11:05.239 be anything, it would have to be Taiwan. 1304 01:11:05.960 --> 01:11:06.439 I can see it. 1305 01:11:06.680 --> 01:11:08.600 Japan, Japan. 1306 01:11:09.239 --> 01:11:11.600 Japan has had a weird issue with China lately, with 1307 01:11:11.640 --> 01:11:13.640 the way the Chinese navy has been going around their 1308 01:11:13.680 --> 01:11:14.479 seas and stuff. 1309 01:11:14.479 --> 01:11:18.880 And then China's kept building islands, they keeps san islands. Yeah, 1310 01:11:19.039 --> 01:11:20.079 they did that for a good while. 1311 01:11:20.079 --> 01:11:22.640 They just kept dredging up sand and making an island 1312 01:11:22.680 --> 01:11:25.600 and saying, yep, that's now Chinese territory, our sea, you know, 1313 01:11:25.720 --> 01:11:29.720 our international seawaters go out even further now cut two 1314 01:11:29.840 --> 01:11:32.800 three years later, and those big sandpiles they made have 1315 01:11:32.880 --> 01:11:35.479 all gone back into the ocean because that's not how 1316 01:11:35.560 --> 01:11:38.720 that works. So it's like everything they've tried to do 1317 01:11:38.800 --> 01:11:42.039 to project power has ended up shitting in their own face. 1318 01:11:42.600 --> 01:11:44.479 And I think that they are so pissed off about 1319 01:11:44.479 --> 01:11:48.000 that that eventually they're gonna be left with no other 1320 01:11:48.039 --> 01:11:51.760 option but to do something drastic, to like let there, let. 1321 01:11:51.640 --> 01:11:54.720 Them be known, right, let them be heard. I hope 1322 01:11:54.760 --> 01:11:55.199 I'm wrong. 1323 01:11:55.399 --> 01:11:57.880 I hope that we can avoid all of it, because God, 1324 01:11:58.039 --> 01:12:00.800 a war with China would not be good for anyone 1325 01:12:01.640 --> 01:12:02.159 at all. 1326 01:12:02.399 --> 01:12:04.680 But yeah, I just aside from Taiwan. 1327 01:12:05.119 --> 01:12:08.800 The only other situation I could foresity resulting in hostilities 1328 01:12:09.039 --> 01:12:12.159 is if the US Navy, which controls most of the 1329 01:12:12.199 --> 01:12:15.319 waterways in the world, tried to shut down the Malica 1330 01:12:15.359 --> 01:12:20.119 Straits or something, and then China would feel like they 1331 01:12:20.119 --> 01:12:24.159 need a navy to keep it open. But yeah, I 1332 01:12:24.840 --> 01:12:27.640 hope that's not going to happen, or you know, maybe 1333 01:12:27.680 --> 01:12:30.640 if the US government just ends up in so much 1334 01:12:30.720 --> 01:12:34.199 debt that we have to withdraw the Navy from most 1335 01:12:34.239 --> 01:12:37.159 of these other far flowing corners of the globe. China 1336 01:12:37.239 --> 01:12:40.079 wants their navy to be the replacement, even though their 1337 01:12:40.079 --> 01:12:43.279 ships currently can't go more than something like two hundred 1338 01:12:43.319 --> 01:12:46.880 miles away from their own waters at this point. But 1339 01:12:47.079 --> 01:12:50.560 I think that could change, and so yeah, it would 1340 01:12:50.560 --> 01:12:53.000 probably be China, I mean, Taiwan or. 1341 01:12:52.920 --> 01:12:53.840 The Malica Strait. 1342 01:12:54.279 --> 01:12:55.880 I kind of doubt that it would be over these 1343 01:12:56.840 --> 01:13:02.439 water claims or these islands because even though Japan claims 1344 01:13:02.439 --> 01:13:04.680 the Sinhaku's, when you look at the map, they're actually 1345 01:13:04.800 --> 01:13:09.680 really damn far away from Japan. And there's also you know, 1346 01:13:09.760 --> 01:13:13.720 some disputed water between China and the Philippines and Vietnam. 1347 01:13:14.079 --> 01:13:16.439 And we are really tight with the Philippines. 1348 01:13:17.039 --> 01:13:19.560 And Vietnam for some reason, even though they're one of 1349 01:13:19.600 --> 01:13:23.159 the last communist governments in the world. 1350 01:13:23.600 --> 01:13:26.680 It's very strange how we're cool with Vietnam, Like we 1351 01:13:26.680 --> 01:13:29.640 were cool with them like fifteen years after the whole 1352 01:13:29.640 --> 01:13:32.159 situation where we had to go and get our diplomats. 1353 01:13:31.640 --> 01:13:33.359 From the embassy exactly. 1354 01:13:33.479 --> 01:13:37.159 Vietnam holds like they hold no beef at all towards 1355 01:13:37.199 --> 01:13:39.239 like how things were in the past, and Vietnam vets 1356 01:13:39.279 --> 01:13:42.000 go back there for like tours and stuff. There is 1357 01:13:42.119 --> 01:13:45.600 no weirdness for some reason. They're very cool about things 1358 01:13:45.600 --> 01:13:48.279 like wars War Man. Yeah, you kill my grandfather, but 1359 01:13:48.399 --> 01:13:50.359 come on, come get some Taipei Like it's like. 1360 01:13:50.439 --> 01:13:54.880 What did Yeah, they Hoachediman and hated the Chinese. 1361 01:13:55.319 --> 01:13:59.640 Yeah, that's very common in Vietnam. So I think a 1362 01:13:59.680 --> 01:14:03.000 lot of their overall geopolitical thought just for revolves around that. 1363 01:14:03.119 --> 01:14:05.840 So even though America did bomb the shit out of them, 1364 01:14:06.800 --> 01:14:09.439 they don't care about that as much as they hate Chinese. 1365 01:14:09.760 --> 01:14:12.800 And I would liken this too. I have some German 1366 01:14:13.319 --> 01:14:16.720 relatives and most people I talked to from Germany they 1367 01:14:16.800 --> 01:14:22.199 hate Russia and they can forgive America for bombing the 1368 01:14:22.239 --> 01:14:25.920 shit out of them because you know, we're enemies with 1369 01:14:26.000 --> 01:14:28.640 Russia too, and they just say, fine, what took you 1370 01:14:28.720 --> 01:14:29.199 so long? 1371 01:14:30.039 --> 01:14:31.720 Yeah? 1372 01:14:31.760 --> 01:14:33.560 So yeah, I find that kind of weird. So I 1373 01:14:33.600 --> 01:14:35.600 don't really fit in with Germans on that front. 1374 01:14:36.760 --> 01:14:36.960 Well. 1375 01:14:37.920 --> 01:14:42.119 I could also see the bricks system being a catalyst 1376 01:14:42.199 --> 01:14:44.600 on another regard, and like you're saying, like it could 1377 01:14:44.600 --> 01:14:47.119 be the Islands, it could be the maloccer stry, it 1378 01:14:47.159 --> 01:14:49.560 could be it could be all of these things kind 1379 01:14:49.560 --> 01:14:51.920 of all falling into place at the same time to 1380 01:14:52.000 --> 01:14:53.720 finally be the straw that broke the camel's back. 1381 01:14:53.760 --> 01:14:54.560 I could see that too. 1382 01:14:55.319 --> 01:14:59.319 But the brick system being what it is in Brazil 1383 01:14:59.439 --> 01:15:02.359 going through the coups that they have gone through, Venezuela 1384 01:15:02.399 --> 01:15:04.439 getting weird and talking about how they want to invade 1385 01:15:04.439 --> 01:15:08.640 Puerto Rico, right hear me out. I don't think Venezuela 1386 01:15:08.720 --> 01:15:12.720 is going to do anything militarily. They were already talking 1387 01:15:12.720 --> 01:15:15.680 about invading their neighbors to the south and that still 1388 01:15:15.680 --> 01:15:19.479 hasn't happened. But Maduro is talking about invading Puerto Rico 1389 01:15:19.680 --> 01:15:23.199 using Brazilian troops, and yes, it's like talking head type 1390 01:15:23.199 --> 01:15:27.079 of things. It's like campaign promises, whatever. But if something 1391 01:15:27.199 --> 01:15:31.399 was to happen in Venezuela, China and Venezuela are very tight, right, 1392 01:15:31.520 --> 01:15:34.680 and any of these bricks countries are very tight. 1393 01:15:35.840 --> 01:15:37.039 I could see. 1394 01:15:36.800 --> 01:15:40.159 Something happening with a nation not even connected to China 1395 01:15:41.359 --> 01:15:44.840 by any other means other than just the bricks. And 1396 01:15:44.880 --> 01:15:47.279 then because of an alliance or some sort of a 1397 01:15:48.079 --> 01:15:53.880 you know, mutually assured defense contract type of situation, if 1398 01:15:53.880 --> 01:15:56.000 we were to send American troops, not even a full 1399 01:15:56.000 --> 01:15:58.880 scale invasion or operation blah blah blah, not even that, 1400 01:15:59.000 --> 01:16:03.039 just troops are operating in South Africa. Throwing it out 1401 01:16:03.039 --> 01:16:05.319 as an example, I think three years ago Russia and 1402 01:16:05.399 --> 01:16:09.600 China did a joint naval strategic operation on the coast 1403 01:16:09.600 --> 01:16:12.479 of South Africa. And of course they are both allies 1404 01:16:12.479 --> 01:16:15.800 to South Africa through bricks, I get it. But that 1405 01:16:15.920 --> 01:16:20.439 being the case, if we had US a team of 1406 01:16:20.640 --> 01:16:26.399 US personnel in South Africa that just so happened to become, 1407 01:16:27.199 --> 01:16:30.239 you know, in body bags, and they just so happened 1408 01:16:30.239 --> 01:16:32.840 to have some sort of a Chinese conglomerate off the coast, 1409 01:16:33.159 --> 01:16:36.840 I could see that being blamed of it Gulf of 1410 01:16:36.880 --> 01:16:39.680 Tonkin type of situation or the USS liberty type of 1411 01:16:39.720 --> 01:16:42.960 situation where it would be a false flag to kickstart 1412 01:16:43.000 --> 01:16:45.840 a war. Yeah, I could see that absolutely in the 1413 01:16:45.880 --> 01:16:50.680 works as well, but I don't. China is still a 1414 01:16:50.720 --> 01:16:55.159 manufacturing powerhouse, but they're losing that by the day to 1415 01:16:55.319 --> 01:16:59.119 their neighbors, not just Taiwan, not just Philippines, not just Indonesia, 1416 01:16:59.239 --> 01:17:03.439 not just Singapore or all of them together. So give 1417 01:17:03.479 --> 01:17:07.640 that another decade, especially with China's the population that's supposed 1418 01:17:07.640 --> 01:17:10.119 to get to the workforce in ten years that won't 1419 01:17:10.159 --> 01:17:11.199 be there because. 1420 01:17:10.920 --> 01:17:11.840 They were never born. 1421 01:17:13.479 --> 01:17:16.000 I see them feeling like they are backed into a 1422 01:17:16.079 --> 01:17:19.279 corner very similarly. And this is not to throw shade 1423 01:17:19.319 --> 01:17:23.239 at putin Russia. They were kind of backed into a corner. 1424 01:17:23.479 --> 01:17:25.239 And yes, we can point blame at NATO, we can 1425 01:17:25.279 --> 01:17:27.600 point blame at the US, we can point blame at Ukraine, 1426 01:17:27.640 --> 01:17:30.399 but all the things fine, fine, fine, They felt so 1427 01:17:30.560 --> 01:17:32.760 backed into a corner to where they had no other 1428 01:17:32.920 --> 01:17:37.399 options but to take some sort of drastic action. It's 1429 01:17:37.439 --> 01:17:40.680 not out of the realm of possibility, especially with Jijhaping 1430 01:17:40.800 --> 01:17:43.079 having the cult of personality that he has around him. 1431 01:17:43.439 --> 01:17:46.039 Nobody tells him no, or like, hey, sir, that doesn't 1432 01:17:46.039 --> 01:17:48.159 sound like a good idea because blah blah blah, because 1433 01:17:48.159 --> 01:17:51.520 he kills people that do that. That's again not even 1434 01:17:51.520 --> 01:17:55.239 like a hypothetical, that's confirmed. So with that being said, 1435 01:17:56.000 --> 01:17:58.520 if there was some sort of a false flag operation, 1436 01:17:58.840 --> 01:18:01.199 or China does some thing because they feel like they're 1437 01:18:01.199 --> 01:18:03.239 backed into a corner and if they don't do something now, 1438 01:18:03.279 --> 01:18:06.239 then they won't have any leverage to do something ten 1439 01:18:06.319 --> 01:18:09.359 years from now, twenty years from now, whatever. They could 1440 01:18:09.479 --> 01:18:13.479 use that as justification to try something. I hope that 1441 01:18:13.520 --> 01:18:16.479 doesn't happen. I really don't want to go to war 1442 01:18:16.520 --> 01:18:21.079 with China. The last time America fought the Chinese openly 1443 01:18:21.199 --> 01:18:24.720 was in Korea. It wasn't a good situation for anybody. 1444 01:18:24.760 --> 01:18:27.479 The war is still currently on, you know what I mean, 1445 01:18:27.600 --> 01:18:30.000 It's not like anybody really won that shit. So it's like, 1446 01:18:32.079 --> 01:18:35.079 I hope that cooler heads can prevail. But with the 1447 01:18:35.119 --> 01:18:39.760 way things are stacking up, I currently deem the CCP 1448 01:18:40.359 --> 01:18:43.960 as a all out adversary to the United States. 1449 01:18:44.159 --> 01:18:50.960 Yeah, okay, so Si Ping has killed people where have 1450 01:18:51.119 --> 01:18:52.000 you read that? 1451 01:18:52.399 --> 01:18:53.520 Well, had them killed? 1452 01:18:53.640 --> 01:18:54.000 Uh? 1453 01:18:54.039 --> 01:18:55.760 You know what, we could pull a couple of these 1454 01:18:55.760 --> 01:18:57.000 things up anyway, trying. 1455 01:18:56.840 --> 01:18:58.800 To look it up right now, I got something from Politico. 1456 01:18:59.039 --> 01:19:02.079 Some the guys have gone missing apparently. 1457 01:19:02.840 --> 01:19:05.920 Well, we do know for a fact that the Chinese 1458 01:19:05.960 --> 01:19:10.000 government has had secret police stations set up in America 1459 01:19:10.079 --> 01:19:13.720 and they have bagged and tagged Chinese citizens that were 1460 01:19:13.720 --> 01:19:16.000 here for school or for work that got a little 1461 01:19:16.039 --> 01:19:19.199 too liberal on social media apps and things like that. 1462 01:19:19.319 --> 01:19:22.520 And there have been multiple cases of people ending up 1463 01:19:22.600 --> 01:19:26.159 getting arrested and sent home for this. When you talk 1464 01:19:26.199 --> 01:19:29.560 about Xijaping, I'm trying to remember the examples. 1465 01:19:29.159 --> 01:19:33.159 And saying a foreign and defense ministers, they've I guess 1466 01:19:33.199 --> 01:19:36.000 gone missing. Let's see this articles from twenty twenty three 1467 01:19:36.039 --> 01:19:40.359 and the one guy Lee Ka Chiang, a retired prime minister, 1468 01:19:40.840 --> 01:19:43.800 had a heart attack in a swimming pool in Shanghai, 1469 01:19:44.319 --> 01:19:46.600 and some people think that that was foul play too. 1470 01:19:46.920 --> 01:19:48.840 It might have just been a heart attack. Though. 1471 01:19:49.159 --> 01:19:51.920 You know, Maudza Doong had like twenty heart attacks in 1472 01:19:51.960 --> 01:19:56.000 the last year of his life in nineteen seventy. 1473 01:19:55.600 --> 01:19:58.880 Six, so I did not have that. It's not going 1474 01:19:58.920 --> 01:19:59.560 into detail. 1475 01:19:59.680 --> 01:20:03.359 Yeah, now, he was in terrible shape for his last 1476 01:20:03.399 --> 01:20:04.159 couple of years. 1477 01:20:04.399 --> 01:20:08.880 Yeah, I just I know how communist leaders keep power, 1478 01:20:09.079 --> 01:20:11.279 and it's never because they're really good guys. 1479 01:20:11.800 --> 01:20:16.439 Ever, uh huh, well, you know when I hear reports of, oh, 1480 01:20:16.520 --> 01:20:20.720 somebody's you know, killed so many people. The last time 1481 01:20:20.800 --> 01:20:24.399 I heard something like that was allegedly Kim Jong nunn 1482 01:20:24.520 --> 01:20:28.479 had fifteen to thirty people executed because there was a 1483 01:20:28.520 --> 01:20:32.760 flood somewhere due to heavy rain and the emergency management 1484 01:20:32.800 --> 01:20:36.319 process didn't work right. But then I dug into it, like, okay, 1485 01:20:36.319 --> 01:20:39.079 who were these people? And really it all just came 1486 01:20:39.119 --> 01:20:43.680 down to rumors, no names, no confirmation. 1487 01:20:43.840 --> 01:20:46.039 Now, maybe it happened, it's possible. 1488 01:20:46.199 --> 01:20:48.880 But Kim John yeah. 1489 01:20:48.680 --> 01:20:51.039 He said these stories and you know, they build on 1490 01:20:51.079 --> 01:20:53.000 top of each other. And A said, yeah, that sounds 1491 01:20:53.000 --> 01:20:55.119 like something he would do. But you know what if 1492 01:20:55.199 --> 01:20:57.159 most of it or all of it's false, we just 1493 01:20:57.199 --> 01:20:58.079 have no way of knowing. 1494 01:20:58.680 --> 01:21:02.520 There's been multiple defects from North Korea that have come 1495 01:21:02.600 --> 01:21:05.640 forward and said that, like, yeah, defectors, if it's discovered 1496 01:21:05.640 --> 01:21:09.479 that you left North Korea, your brothers and sisters, your parents, 1497 01:21:09.640 --> 01:21:11.960 and your cousins, like they go, three generations of your 1498 01:21:11.960 --> 01:21:14.720 family all go to internment camps where they get worked 1499 01:21:14.720 --> 01:21:15.119 to death. 1500 01:21:15.800 --> 01:21:17.359 That's by I'm talking. 1501 01:21:17.439 --> 01:21:19.319 I haven't heard one person come out of the North 1502 01:21:19.359 --> 01:21:24.119 that hasn't boasted this claim. What was that one North 1503 01:21:24.159 --> 01:21:26.680 Korean girl that was making a rounds on all the podcasts? 1504 01:21:27.800 --> 01:21:29.880 Yon me Park, that's the one I knew. Her last 1505 01:21:29.960 --> 01:21:31.760 name was Park. I couldn't remember the first name. Now, 1506 01:21:32.319 --> 01:21:34.600 there are some people that have said, well, she's not 1507 01:21:34.640 --> 01:21:38.439 telling the truth because ba ba bap, but her stories, 1508 01:21:39.239 --> 01:21:41.399 but her stories can be verified. Yeah, some of the 1509 01:21:41.399 --> 01:21:44.680 stories about how she ended up escaping, some of that 1510 01:21:44.800 --> 01:21:48.560 isn't exactly lining up. But perhaps she doesn't want to 1511 01:21:48.560 --> 01:21:50.880 tell the whole story. Maybe you know that there's like 1512 01:21:50.880 --> 01:21:52.479 a hole in the fence. Maybe she doesn't want to 1513 01:21:52.479 --> 01:21:54.560 bring awareness to it so we can get fixed kind 1514 01:21:54.560 --> 01:21:54.840 of thing. 1515 01:21:54.960 --> 01:21:55.439 I get that. 1516 01:21:56.880 --> 01:21:57.039 Yeah. 1517 01:21:57.159 --> 01:22:00.239 There's been a couple of escapees from China, especially is 1518 01:22:00.279 --> 01:22:01.479 Shinjiang Province. 1519 01:22:01.760 --> 01:22:02.960 One of them is named U. 1520 01:22:03.159 --> 01:22:06.439 Tursun Isiah Wudu and the other ones the name is 1521 01:22:06.600 --> 01:22:11.279 Cyra Gul Saaladbai, and they both told stories of well 1522 01:22:11.399 --> 01:22:14.479 multiple iterations of stories where the first stories of these 1523 01:22:14.520 --> 01:22:17.520 weiger in tournament camps sounded pretty boring, and then the 1524 01:22:17.600 --> 01:22:21.720 second version had, uh, you know, somebody was tortured, and 1525 01:22:21.720 --> 01:22:24.840 then the next version was their mass executions and mass 1526 01:22:25.039 --> 01:22:27.880 rapes and you know, stuff that wasn't in their first 1527 01:22:27.920 --> 01:22:31.880 telling of the story. So it leaves me with a 1528 01:22:31.880 --> 01:22:33.600 lot of doubt that this stuff is real. 1529 01:22:33.880 --> 01:22:36.479 There was that one story those Buddhist monks started just 1530 01:22:36.720 --> 01:22:39.119 gutting the Weiger Muslims in the streets. 1531 01:22:39.199 --> 01:22:40.600 Now that was pretty. 1532 01:22:40.279 --> 01:22:42.720 Wild, but again that wasn't like indicative of the CCP 1533 01:22:43.159 --> 01:22:45.840 that I could absolutely take that to be a rogue 1534 01:22:45.920 --> 01:22:49.319 element of Buddhist monks who collectively decided. 1535 01:22:49.000 --> 01:22:51.119 To go on their version of a jihad. You know, 1536 01:22:51.199 --> 01:22:52.079 I get that. 1537 01:22:52.560 --> 01:22:58.000 I don't blame Jijaping for that one, but that's that's 1538 01:22:58.079 --> 01:23:02.560 a thing that happen. And I mean, but we also 1539 01:23:02.600 --> 01:23:06.239 know that China actively has sweatshops, we know that they 1540 01:23:06.359 --> 01:23:08.920 use slave labor, and I mean, I'm not saying that this. 1541 01:23:09.720 --> 01:23:12.520 There's tons of countries that do. I mean, look at 1542 01:23:12.640 --> 01:23:15.600 the majority of the continent of Africa, Like it's that's 1543 01:23:15.640 --> 01:23:19.680 not a new vibe. But I also don't take Jijaping 1544 01:23:19.760 --> 01:23:21.560 to be a good guy by any means. If you 1545 01:23:21.680 --> 01:23:27.239 know you actively have slave labor sweatshops in your country 1546 01:23:27.279 --> 01:23:32.600 that you're benefiting from that that reads really shit behavior 1547 01:23:32.640 --> 01:23:32.840 to me. 1548 01:23:35.439 --> 01:23:40.560 Yeah, well I need to research more. So thank you 1549 01:23:40.600 --> 01:23:42.760 for the conversation. And I don't know if I should 1550 01:23:42.760 --> 01:23:46.239 tell you this, but I did just download that app. 1551 01:23:46.319 --> 01:23:49.479 Like no, Tony, All right, hold on, stop what you're 1552 01:23:49.520 --> 01:23:52.920 doing and go look into this app for what it is, 1553 01:23:53.039 --> 01:23:56.359 who owns it, what it actually is able to do. Brother, 1554 01:23:56.840 --> 01:23:58.920 I'm telling you you may need to delete it off 1555 01:23:58.960 --> 01:24:00.439 of your phone before it's too late. 1556 01:24:00.520 --> 01:24:02.880 It's yeah, I got a couple of tabs open right now. 1557 01:24:03.920 --> 01:24:07.119 Yeah, And I mean, and you know, you're a very 1558 01:24:07.159 --> 01:24:07.920 analytical guy. 1559 01:24:07.960 --> 01:24:10.199 You look at things from a very logic standpoint, and 1560 01:24:10.239 --> 01:24:13.079 you also test the source more than most people. I 1561 01:24:13.079 --> 01:24:16.720 will I will give to your credits. So look at this, dude. 1562 01:24:17.079 --> 01:24:19.159 Find what you can find, and I would love to 1563 01:24:19.199 --> 01:24:22.319 hear your first person accounts of what you find. I 1564 01:24:22.960 --> 01:24:25.439 have my own biases on this. I understand that I 1565 01:24:25.479 --> 01:24:28.720 am a bit clouded because of that. Sometimes on the 1566 01:24:28.720 --> 01:24:31.119 other side of that, Jonathan has his biases and he 1567 01:24:31.239 --> 01:24:33.159 is kind of clouded on certain things because of that. 1568 01:24:33.359 --> 01:24:36.720 So you looking at things from the perspective that you do, 1569 01:24:36.880 --> 01:24:38.520 I would love to hear what you find. 1570 01:24:39.479 --> 01:24:42.119 Sure you said, look into this guy who's it Chee 1571 01:24:42.199 --> 01:24:43.479 ching Ping or somebody else. 1572 01:24:43.520 --> 01:24:46.319 Oh, I meant just the Red Book app or who 1573 01:24:46.359 --> 01:24:48.960 owns it like the CCP owns it because it's Chinese owned, 1574 01:24:49.000 --> 01:24:51.039 and like right off the top, they own sixty five 1575 01:24:51.079 --> 01:24:55.439 percent controlling interest in any company that does anything in China. 1576 01:24:55.920 --> 01:24:57.880 Fine, I get it. I am very. 1577 01:24:57.840 --> 01:25:03.119 Much an enemy of communism. I've every Cuban I've ever 1578 01:25:03.239 --> 01:25:07.399 met that has made it to America, most of them 1579 01:25:07.479 --> 01:25:10.760 I've heard their words, not mine. When they see a 1580 01:25:10.760 --> 01:25:13.119 person wearing a chega vera shirt, they need to be 1581 01:25:13.239 --> 01:25:16.720 gunned down. Like they believe that if you support communism, 1582 01:25:16.760 --> 01:25:19.680 you should be shot on site, because they saw what 1583 01:25:19.760 --> 01:25:23.119 communism can lead to on the furthest of extremist sides 1584 01:25:23.119 --> 01:25:27.319 of things. I know some people that are Americans born 1585 01:25:27.359 --> 01:25:31.520 and raised in a Democratic Republic who for some reason 1586 01:25:31.560 --> 01:25:35.479 think that communism can work. I don't understand that it's 1587 01:25:35.520 --> 01:25:39.680 never been successfully done ever, but they sure try to 1588 01:25:39.680 --> 01:25:42.159 push it. And I also understand that a lot of 1589 01:25:42.159 --> 01:25:45.680 that has to do with biases, cultural, socioeconomic, and depending 1590 01:25:45.720 --> 01:25:48.159 on which type of history book you read or which 1591 01:25:48.399 --> 01:25:50.479 college professor got a hold to you when you were 1592 01:25:50.520 --> 01:25:52.760 a young and impressionable twenty year old like, I get 1593 01:25:52.800 --> 01:25:58.399 this too. Per the math, Communism has been the most 1594 01:25:58.960 --> 01:26:02.800 detrimental set some ever devised to the human race. I 1595 01:26:02.840 --> 01:26:06.239 heard someone say that Christianity has killed seven hundred million 1596 01:26:06.720 --> 01:26:10.800 people since its inception, Communism has killed somewhere around one 1597 01:26:10.880 --> 01:26:14.880 hundred and fifty million, And my argument against that one was, Okay, 1598 01:26:14.920 --> 01:26:17.239 so Christianity has done this, and I mean, we could 1599 01:26:17.359 --> 01:26:20.000 argue three hundred and fifty a d to now, but 1600 01:26:20.000 --> 01:26:22.800 in reality, they didn't like consolidate and become a force 1601 01:26:22.880 --> 01:26:26.840 until five hundred ish AD. So in fifteen hundred years, 1602 01:26:27.319 --> 01:26:32.000 you Christianity has killed allegedly seven hundred million people in 1603 01:26:32.239 --> 01:26:35.159 under two hundred and fifty years, Communism has killed one 1604 01:26:35.239 --> 01:26:39.159 hundred and fifty million. That means you're like eleven times 1605 01:26:39.159 --> 01:26:42.880 more likely to die from communism existing than you are 1606 01:26:42.960 --> 01:26:46.000 to piss off Christians and get them on the war path. 1607 01:26:46.279 --> 01:26:50.640 So I just to me by the numbers, Communism needs 1608 01:26:50.680 --> 01:26:53.560 to be uprooted and abolished from the human race. 1609 01:26:54.479 --> 01:26:55.079 That's just me. 1610 01:26:57.640 --> 01:27:00.199 Yeah, I agree, I agree. I hate it. 1611 01:27:01.399 --> 01:27:04.560 I don't know exactly how much to believe it from 1612 01:27:05.359 --> 01:27:09.119 anything in history, but you know, I do hate communism, 1613 01:27:09.119 --> 01:27:11.640 and I believe the death toll is probably somewhere very 1614 01:27:11.720 --> 01:27:12.359 high like that. 1615 01:27:13.880 --> 01:27:16.359 And I mean, I get it, America has done some 1616 01:27:16.680 --> 01:27:19.119 foul things in the past. And I'm not trying to 1617 01:27:19.199 --> 01:27:22.920 negate that, I'm not trying to sidestep it. But you 1618 01:27:22.960 --> 01:27:25.560 look at the amount of knowledge that we as a 1619 01:27:25.680 --> 01:27:30.000 human race have on this earth. Right for countries to 1620 01:27:30.119 --> 01:27:32.720 still be operating in the way that they are, not all, 1621 01:27:32.760 --> 01:27:34.720 but the ones that are operating under some sort of 1622 01:27:34.760 --> 01:27:39.119 a communist or proto communist regime, it tells me that 1623 01:27:39.199 --> 01:27:43.399 they are rooted in what I would classify as pure 1624 01:27:43.439 --> 01:27:48.439 evil and pure imprisonment of not just the human mind, 1625 01:27:48.640 --> 01:27:52.079 but they're attempting to imprison the human soul. And I 1626 01:27:52.840 --> 01:27:55.560 personally have an issue with that. I don't I don't 1627 01:27:55.640 --> 01:27:58.920 think China. I know, I know, I'm very biased. I'm 1628 01:27:58.960 --> 01:28:01.760 very biased on my opinion on this. There's a ton 1629 01:28:01.800 --> 01:28:05.720 of people that would disagree with me vehemently and shout 1630 01:28:05.800 --> 01:28:07.880 until they're blue in the face that communism is the 1631 01:28:07.880 --> 01:28:10.279 way of the truth in the life. I you know, 1632 01:28:10.479 --> 01:28:11.880 that's just going to be one of those things. 1633 01:28:12.319 --> 01:28:14.600 Yeah, I don't think those people are malevolent. I think 1634 01:28:14.640 --> 01:28:19.279 people in general, try to value good things and to 1635 01:28:19.359 --> 01:28:23.439 believe in good and proper things, and they believe that 1636 01:28:23.479 --> 01:28:27.399 whatever philosophy they latch onto is the best one on balance. 1637 01:28:28.039 --> 01:28:31.439 And yeah, I would still agree with you that communism 1638 01:28:31.600 --> 01:28:34.920 leads to the worst outcomes, and it leads to abject evil, 1639 01:28:35.399 --> 01:28:40.239 and people break bad slowly. It's it seems like a 1640 01:28:40.319 --> 01:28:43.079 good idea to start with, and then when they apply it, 1641 01:28:43.119 --> 01:28:44.479 they've got to escalate. 1642 01:28:44.239 --> 01:28:46.880 More and more force to enforce it, right. 1643 01:28:47.039 --> 01:28:49.840 And they still think it's worth it breaking all those 1644 01:28:49.840 --> 01:28:53.479 egg shells. But they didn't start off malevolent. And you 1645 01:28:53.560 --> 01:28:56.439 still got to nip these bad ideas in the bud. 1646 01:28:57.119 --> 01:29:00.560 And there's lots of you know, other ideas like that too, 1647 01:29:01.159 --> 01:29:03.560 because they get attractive and people just had down the 1648 01:29:03.560 --> 01:29:05.319 wrong path without knowing it. 1649 01:29:05.880 --> 01:29:09.000 And I mean, we've had American politicians say the same thing. 1650 01:29:09.239 --> 01:29:12.880 In my home state Louisiana, Huey Long, who was a 1651 01:29:13.039 --> 01:29:15.760 very famous governor at one point in time, he was assassinated. 1652 01:29:16.760 --> 01:29:19.319 If you look at the rhetoric he was saying, it 1653 01:29:19.399 --> 01:29:24.159 is extremely communist in nature and borderline Hitler esque in. 1654 01:29:24.079 --> 01:29:26.880 His very populist, very very and it. 1655 01:29:26.840 --> 01:29:28.720 Was a chicken in every pot and he was going 1656 01:29:28.800 --> 01:29:30.239 to just help out the poor man. 1657 01:29:30.279 --> 01:29:31.159 And he was going to do this. 1658 01:29:31.560 --> 01:29:35.600 My great grandmother was quoted as saying, if their last 1659 01:29:35.640 --> 01:29:37.840 name is long, you better vote for him because they're 1660 01:29:37.840 --> 01:29:41.920 for the poor man. And I'm like, that's not a 1661 01:29:41.920 --> 01:29:44.840 good way of moving forward. But that was the mindset 1662 01:29:44.880 --> 01:29:46.439 of a lot of people at that time. I mean, 1663 01:29:46.800 --> 01:29:52.039 it's not good. But somebody decided that that rhetoric didn't 1664 01:29:52.039 --> 01:29:54.239 need to be spouted and gunned him down. 1665 01:29:56.119 --> 01:30:02.319 You know, yeah, I heard a podcast about it. This man, 1666 01:30:02.359 --> 01:30:04.600 I can't remember any of the details. He's from Winnsboro 1667 01:30:04.840 --> 01:30:05.560 or something. 1668 01:30:05.319 --> 01:30:09.680 Right, Yeah, I think so. It was some like BF 1669 01:30:10.199 --> 01:30:13.279 town that most people have never heard of. But he 1670 01:30:14.119 --> 01:30:17.880 could campaign like nobody's business. I think he made I 1671 01:30:17.880 --> 01:30:20.560 think he went on record as making like fifty campaign 1672 01:30:21.680 --> 01:30:25.800 or a campaign rallies in one month, like when it 1673 01:30:25.840 --> 01:30:27.840 was time to go to the ballots, like your boy 1674 01:30:28.000 --> 01:30:29.880 was on the road and he was talking, he was 1675 01:30:29.920 --> 01:30:32.640 shaking hands. But he also was thrown in the insane 1676 01:30:32.640 --> 01:30:37.000 asylum twice. He was like, he was not a stable individual. 1677 01:30:37.520 --> 01:30:41.640 And when you look at his mannerisms, it is very 1678 01:30:41.760 --> 01:30:46.880 indicative of an early Adolf Hitler, very very dramatic, very 1679 01:30:47.880 --> 01:30:50.600 over the top and shouting things and using his hands 1680 01:30:50.640 --> 01:30:53.359 and all that. It's it's it is crazy how those 1681 01:30:53.399 --> 01:30:55.760 two line up. There was an argument to say that 1682 01:30:55.800 --> 01:30:58.760 if he would have lived, he may have become the 1683 01:30:58.800 --> 01:31:02.560 first US president from the state of Louisiana. And going 1684 01:31:02.600 --> 01:31:06.439 off of how heavily he campaigned and what he was 1685 01:31:06.479 --> 01:31:08.680 saying in the day and age he was saying it, 1686 01:31:08.840 --> 01:31:11.359 that may have actually happened, which would have been a. 1687 01:31:11.279 --> 01:31:15.439 Really bad thing. We almost had an American Hitler in 1688 01:31:15.520 --> 01:31:20.680 the Helm of America at a very a very critical 1689 01:31:20.720 --> 01:31:22.039 time in history, you know. 1690 01:31:23.039 --> 01:31:23.760 Yeah, Well. 1691 01:31:25.640 --> 01:31:28.760 That also reminds me kind of of the business plot, 1692 01:31:29.000 --> 01:31:31.399 And I wonder what he would have made of that, 1693 01:31:31.720 --> 01:31:34.920 because that was the plot that almost unseated FDR. 1694 01:31:35.000 --> 01:31:36.800 Except Smedley Butler. 1695 01:31:37.399 --> 01:31:38.720 The Bonus Army yet did. 1696 01:31:39.920 --> 01:31:40.520 Yeah. 1697 01:31:40.800 --> 01:31:42.199 Yeah. George Patton, when he. 1698 01:31:42.159 --> 01:31:44.520 Was a captain, actually was one of the ones that 1699 01:31:44.560 --> 01:31:47.359 fire bombed the World War One veterans on the Capitol lawn. 1700 01:31:48.840 --> 01:31:49.279 Uh huh. 1701 01:31:49.399 --> 01:31:49.680 Yeah. 1702 01:31:49.880 --> 01:31:53.000 Paton, by the way, if we're talking about Nazis, he 1703 01:31:53.079 --> 01:31:56.319 seemed to have pretty positive opinions about the Germans even 1704 01:31:56.359 --> 01:31:59.479 after World War Two, and he really hated Russia. He 1705 01:31:59.520 --> 01:32:02.239 wanted to go the war with Russia right away. So 1706 01:32:02.359 --> 01:32:07.439 did Churchill. Yeah, nobody, I mean nobody else in the 1707 01:32:07.479 --> 01:32:10.439 Western world seemed to want it any more war at 1708 01:32:10.439 --> 01:32:13.840 that time though, and maybe it's good that we didn't. 1709 01:32:14.159 --> 01:32:16.720 Pam was an old school soldier man. He really didn't 1710 01:32:16.720 --> 01:32:18.520 care what the war was as long as there was 1711 01:32:18.520 --> 01:32:22.119 a war to be fought. But his personal vendetta. He 1712 01:32:22.199 --> 01:32:26.159 didn't hate the Nazis, he hated the Commis. 1713 01:32:26.479 --> 01:32:27.720 Uh huh, yeah all the way. 1714 01:32:28.199 --> 01:32:31.119 And I was reading recently Greece was almost lost to 1715 01:32:31.159 --> 01:32:34.279 the Communists right after World War Two, and George Marshall 1716 01:32:34.359 --> 01:32:37.359 from the US kind of wanted to let it go, 1717 01:32:37.479 --> 01:32:41.560 but Churchill really put his foot down, and Churchill really 1718 01:32:41.600 --> 01:32:44.960 saved Greece from communism. And I think nineteen forty seven, 1719 01:32:45.119 --> 01:32:46.119 forty eight something like. 1720 01:32:46.079 --> 01:32:50.199 That, Communism and fascism made their way through Europe a 1721 01:32:50.199 --> 01:32:52.560 good bit. What was that guy in Britain He almost 1722 01:32:52.600 --> 01:32:54.000 turned Britain into a fascist nation? 1723 01:32:54.119 --> 01:32:55.479 Was it a Oswald Moseley? 1724 01:32:56.840 --> 01:32:58.199 Yeah, I mean sounds right. 1725 01:32:58.640 --> 01:33:00.880 He I mean they made a mention of him in 1726 01:33:00.920 --> 01:33:03.560 a Peaky Blinders, But you could also go back and 1727 01:33:03.600 --> 01:33:06.720 look at some of his speeches he was a homeboy 1728 01:33:06.800 --> 01:33:10.800 to Adolf Hitler in actuality, and he was a full 1729 01:33:10.880 --> 01:33:14.439 on fascist sympathizer and a blatant fascist. 1730 01:33:15.079 --> 01:33:18.000 A lot of the Royal family was too. That's where 1731 01:33:18.960 --> 01:33:22.600 what's his name, Rudolph Hess was trying to fly to England. 1732 01:33:22.760 --> 01:33:27.279 Rudolph Hes successfully flew himself to England to meet somebody 1733 01:33:28.039 --> 01:33:31.760 in Scotland. I guess it was Scotland. And yeah, you know, 1734 01:33:31.840 --> 01:33:34.840 he was trying to deliver a letter to the king, 1735 01:33:34.880 --> 01:33:36.800 and he brought a letter with him. In that letter 1736 01:33:37.399 --> 01:33:40.720 that has been confirmed and witnessed by two other people 1737 01:33:41.079 --> 01:33:43.439 that had existed, but the contents of that letter to 1738 01:33:43.479 --> 01:33:44.479 this day are unknown. 1739 01:33:45.079 --> 01:33:47.920 It makes sense that he would, Yeah, it makes sense 1740 01:33:47.920 --> 01:33:50.520 that he would go to you know, jolly old England 1741 01:33:50.560 --> 01:33:53.000 with that, seeing as how they are all of German descent, 1742 01:33:53.079 --> 01:33:56.199 the Royal family that is, and how the Royal family 1743 01:33:56.319 --> 01:33:58.800 kind of they didn't hate the Nazis. They didn't like 1744 01:33:58.840 --> 01:34:00.359 that they were enemies and they were bomb the hell 1745 01:34:00.359 --> 01:34:03.279 out of them. But as far as the German style 1746 01:34:03.279 --> 01:34:06.880 of fascism, the Royals didn't, they didn't dislike it. 1747 01:34:08.399 --> 01:34:12.439 Yeah, the Royal family, Yeah, they were on the fence 1748 01:34:12.479 --> 01:34:14.600 for sure, but Yeah. One other last thing I want 1749 01:34:14.640 --> 01:34:16.479 to say about World War Two I was reading about 1750 01:34:16.600 --> 01:34:20.439 is that Churchill was against the Normandy invasion and its 1751 01:34:20.479 --> 01:34:24.319 planning stages, and the reason was that he felt like 1752 01:34:24.359 --> 01:34:29.119 it was a distraction from the more important soft underbelly 1753 01:34:29.159 --> 01:34:32.840 of Europe. He wanted to focus British and American energy 1754 01:34:33.399 --> 01:34:40.439 on keeping southeastern Europe like Yugoslavia, Hungary, Bulgaria, Romania, out 1755 01:34:40.520 --> 01:34:42.840 of the hands of the Soviets or the Germans because 1756 01:34:42.960 --> 01:34:45.039 a lot of the people there didn't like the Soviets 1757 01:34:45.119 --> 01:34:50.960 or the Germans, and diverting to Normandy really, you know, 1758 01:34:51.039 --> 01:34:53.319 opened that area up for the Soviets to take it, 1759 01:34:53.399 --> 01:34:54.720 and Churchill was opposed to that. 1760 01:34:55.079 --> 01:34:58.359 So I guess I'm on Churchill's side for this one. 1761 01:34:58.439 --> 01:35:02.640 The Normandy invasion was actually way too risky, probably shouldn't 1762 01:35:02.640 --> 01:35:04.479 have been done, and it really handed a lot of 1763 01:35:04.560 --> 01:35:07.600 territory to the Soviets at the end of the war. 1764 01:35:07.680 --> 01:35:09.159 In effect, it did. 1765 01:35:09.600 --> 01:35:12.880 But dude, I've heard this about Churchill. I haven't looked 1766 01:35:12.880 --> 01:35:15.800 into it much. I remember hearing a thing or two 1767 01:35:15.880 --> 01:35:19.920 about it. If the Allied forces would have gone that 1768 01:35:20.079 --> 01:35:22.760 route and invaded and tried to get a foothold in 1769 01:35:22.840 --> 01:35:25.880 southern Europe and worked their way up to in the 1770 01:35:25.920 --> 01:35:30.039 war and all that, the amount of tooth and nail 1771 01:35:30.199 --> 01:35:33.399 fighting that it would have taken to cover that ground 1772 01:35:33.640 --> 01:35:36.359 to get to Berlin, like the road to Berlin would 1773 01:35:36.359 --> 01:35:38.680 have been three times as long, and god knows what 1774 01:35:38.760 --> 01:35:40.039 the death tolls would have been. 1775 01:35:39.920 --> 01:35:40.600 At the end of it. 1776 01:35:40.720 --> 01:35:46.039 I understand the mindset of look Ockham's raiser this if 1777 01:35:46.039 --> 01:35:48.880 we come into France, Germany's right there, it's a straight shot. 1778 01:35:48.960 --> 01:35:53.079 But I'm with you. I mean, watching the opening scenes 1779 01:35:53.119 --> 01:35:56.239 of saving Private Rhyan will show you what the true 1780 01:35:56.479 --> 01:36:01.279 toll of that operation was. And I even understand the 1781 01:36:01.319 --> 01:36:03.359 concept of you gotta crack a few eggs to make 1782 01:36:03.359 --> 01:36:05.880 an omelet. Bro This was not a cracking of a 1783 01:36:05.920 --> 01:36:08.119 few eggs. This was what was that one guy, the 1784 01:36:09.520 --> 01:36:12.760 Beast of Normandy or the monster of Normandy. One dude 1785 01:36:13.199 --> 01:36:17.439 is attributed to a thousand kills that morning, like before 1786 01:36:17.479 --> 01:36:21.880 noon that day he had dropped one hundred bodies of 1787 01:36:22.000 --> 01:36:22.920 Allied forces. 1788 01:36:23.520 --> 01:36:25.359 That is fucking insane. 1789 01:36:26.279 --> 01:36:27.680 Was he a machine gunner or something? 1790 01:36:27.800 --> 01:36:28.119 He was? 1791 01:36:28.880 --> 01:36:29.319 He was on? 1792 01:36:29.520 --> 01:36:30.640 Uh? 1793 01:36:30.119 --> 01:36:32.960 Like the is it the MG forty two Hitler's budsa 1794 01:36:33.159 --> 01:36:36.199 bus saw that that super high rate of fire machine 1795 01:36:36.199 --> 01:36:39.000 gun that he was in the turret. Basically, he was 1796 01:36:39.000 --> 01:36:40.920 one of the first ones to fire a shot that 1797 01:36:41.039 --> 01:36:44.079 morning and he had to be pulled away from the gun. 1798 01:36:44.079 --> 01:36:47.199 When the position was finally compromised, he looked around and 1799 01:36:47.279 --> 01:36:49.479 realized all of the rounds on the ground. 1800 01:36:49.520 --> 01:36:51.520 And if you I forget how they. 1801 01:36:51.439 --> 01:36:54.640 Actually attributed these kills to him by himself, But he 1802 01:36:54.760 --> 01:36:57.119 was brought back to Berlin and was they gave him 1803 01:36:57.119 --> 01:36:59.399 parades that he wrote a book about it, all of 1804 01:36:59.399 --> 01:37:04.039 these things. But I can't even imagine being a nineteen 1805 01:37:04.119 --> 01:37:07.520 year old kid, twenty year old kid who got put 1806 01:37:07.560 --> 01:37:11.159 on this beach, you know, in some turret and you know, 1807 01:37:11.279 --> 01:37:13.520 damn good and well, nobody's about to do a beach 1808 01:37:13.560 --> 01:37:16.760 invasion whatever. You're just sitting there smoking your morning cigarette. 1809 01:37:17.439 --> 01:37:21.239 Next thing you know, you have killed one thousand human 1810 01:37:21.319 --> 01:37:26.840 beings before lunch. I don't even know how you take 1811 01:37:26.880 --> 01:37:31.720 that information in. I mean, he later on said that 1812 01:37:31.800 --> 01:37:33.960 like he was just doing his job and like he 1813 01:37:34.000 --> 01:37:36.039 felt remorse in all of these things, but like it 1814 01:37:36.199 --> 01:37:38.600 was a situation where it was them or him. You know, 1815 01:37:38.640 --> 01:37:42.000 that's how warfare goes. I get it, But like dude, 1816 01:37:42.520 --> 01:37:46.560 that is a kid that is putting up more numbers 1817 01:37:46.880 --> 01:37:49.640 I think arguably more than any other human being has 1818 01:37:49.640 --> 01:37:50.880 ever done in human history. 1819 01:37:52.199 --> 01:37:53.079 Yeah, as possible. 1820 01:37:53.239 --> 01:37:57.239 You know, one other comment about Normandy is it really 1821 01:37:57.279 --> 01:38:01.119 took a lot of air power and firepower and bombardment 1822 01:38:01.359 --> 01:38:05.159 that had to be diverted from other places for about 1823 01:38:05.239 --> 01:38:09.640 six months onto northern France and it displaced about two 1824 01:38:09.640 --> 01:38:13.640 million French civilians in the process. So this is partly 1825 01:38:13.640 --> 01:38:17.800 why France still harbors quite a bit of an anti 1826 01:38:17.840 --> 01:38:22.359 American sentiment to this day. And you know, including the 1827 01:38:22.399 --> 01:38:24.800 Iraq War period, when you know, they were kind of 1828 01:38:24.800 --> 01:38:29.239 a black sheep of NATO that really opposed that. They're 1829 01:38:29.319 --> 01:38:31.760 kind of famous for being kind of anti English and 1830 01:38:32.359 --> 01:38:35.439 anti American, and that's the large reason why a lot 1831 01:38:35.439 --> 01:38:39.560 of northern France was depopulated for those years, not so 1832 01:38:39.680 --> 01:38:42.720 much by the Germans, but by American and British bombardment. 1833 01:38:43.199 --> 01:38:45.520 And that was also bombardment that could have been used 1834 01:38:45.560 --> 01:38:49.520 on German power plants probably knocked him out of the 1835 01:38:49.520 --> 01:38:53.039 war earlier, or could have been used in southeastern Europe, 1836 01:38:53.760 --> 01:38:54.520 but it wasn't. 1837 01:38:54.600 --> 01:38:56.239 And you know Churchill. 1838 01:38:57.199 --> 01:38:59.319 Churchill wanted to use it in these other places, but 1839 01:38:59.399 --> 01:39:02.720 he was over ruled, and George Marshall, I think, was 1840 01:39:02.880 --> 01:39:06.439 also a big pusher of the Normandy idea, so he 1841 01:39:06.560 --> 01:39:08.640 was very powerful, and that's the way it went. 1842 01:39:09.159 --> 01:39:11.920 I don't like how warfighting used to be done with 1843 01:39:12.000 --> 01:39:14.720 these carpet bombing runs, where it was just we're just 1844 01:39:14.720 --> 01:39:17.159 gonna bomb the hell out of everything. Maybe it's civilian, 1845 01:39:17.199 --> 01:39:19.840 maybe it's not. It's just we're just opening the doors 1846 01:39:19.880 --> 01:39:22.479 and just laying waste to whatever is down below us. 1847 01:39:23.079 --> 01:39:26.199 That is insane, but that was also just how war 1848 01:39:26.319 --> 01:39:28.479 was fought back then. The Luftwaffle was doing it all 1849 01:39:28.520 --> 01:39:31.079 over the civilian population of England and we were doing 1850 01:39:31.159 --> 01:39:33.000 it back to them, we were doing it to France. 1851 01:39:33.039 --> 01:39:36.359 There was so many more civilians killed in the war 1852 01:39:36.439 --> 01:39:40.720 than there were actual belligerents, which, unfortunately is how that 1853 01:39:40.840 --> 01:39:43.640 happens in war. I would argue that only in the 1854 01:39:43.720 --> 01:39:46.920 last few decades has that actually shifted in the opposite direction. 1855 01:39:46.960 --> 01:39:49.119 But again, that only depends on which country you're talking about. 1856 01:39:49.680 --> 01:39:53.560 I would say Americans in the Afghan and Iraq situation, 1857 01:39:54.760 --> 01:39:57.840 what's classified as a civilian depends on if they did 1858 01:39:57.960 --> 01:39:59.720 or did not have the weapon in their hand. Before 1859 01:39:59.760 --> 01:40:03.399 they into the building or with it got murky. Same 1860 01:40:03.439 --> 01:40:06.279 thing with the Vietnam situation. But even then there were 1861 01:40:06.399 --> 01:40:09.600 so many examples, as a famous one of the villages 1862 01:40:09.600 --> 01:40:12.199 being burned and it was all women and children, But 1863 01:40:12.279 --> 01:40:14.359 there was other examples of that where it was just 1864 01:40:14.439 --> 01:40:17.079 blatantly just mowing down people for the hell of it. 1865 01:40:17.159 --> 01:40:20.000 And it's just I don't agree with that type of 1866 01:40:20.039 --> 01:40:20.600 war fighting. 1867 01:40:20.720 --> 01:40:23.079 I don't. It's uh. 1868 01:40:23.119 --> 01:40:25.520 I think we have come a long way as far 1869 01:40:25.600 --> 01:40:30.039 as how we do business in that realm. But yeah, again, 1870 01:40:30.119 --> 01:40:33.720 it's not like we can negate our past, and neither 1871 01:40:33.760 --> 01:40:34.800 can these other countries. 1872 01:40:35.279 --> 01:40:37.720 So yeah, history's messy, man. 1873 01:40:38.880 --> 01:40:39.119 Yep. 1874 01:40:39.800 --> 01:40:42.359 Although with the Normandy situation, there were supposed to be tanks. 1875 01:40:42.920 --> 01:40:45.840 This dude built whole flotation device as to where the 1876 01:40:45.880 --> 01:40:48.199 tanks would have come on shore, and that would have 1877 01:40:48.279 --> 01:40:52.479 made the whole Normandy beach landing an entirely different conversation. 1878 01:40:52.680 --> 01:40:56.319 But logistical errors happened and this person dropped the ball, 1879 01:40:56.359 --> 01:40:59.760 and this weather condition or whatever. You could pass the 1880 01:40:59.760 --> 01:41:03.560 bus to whatever blame you want, but at that point, 1881 01:41:03.560 --> 01:41:06.279 the element of surprise was gone. Once you realize that 1882 01:41:06.439 --> 01:41:09.359 day that the tanks can't get to shore. But if 1883 01:41:09.359 --> 01:41:11.039 we leave, they now know we're going to do a 1884 01:41:11.039 --> 01:41:12.840 beach invasion. You're kind of forced to do what you 1885 01:41:12.880 --> 01:41:16.119 gotta do. Thankfully, they had enough ment on the boats 1886 01:41:16.159 --> 01:41:19.600 to accomplish the task and gain a foothold, But again, 1887 01:41:19.760 --> 01:41:21.319 like at what cost? 1888 01:41:22.279 --> 01:41:22.520 Yeah. 1889 01:41:22.600 --> 01:41:24.479 One thing my dad asked, and I've never gotten a 1890 01:41:24.479 --> 01:41:26.359 great answer to this, was why didn't they just do 1891 01:41:26.439 --> 01:41:29.720 it at night, like eleven PM or something when it's dark. 1892 01:41:30.479 --> 01:41:32.479 That would have given us a bigger advantage. 1893 01:41:32.560 --> 01:41:35.399 But I don't know they did at like six am. 1894 01:41:35.720 --> 01:41:40.760 I guess yeah, because more people would have drowned maybe, 1895 01:41:41.479 --> 01:41:43.720 or the drivers of those boats wouldn't have been able 1896 01:41:43.760 --> 01:41:46.000 to see if they had hit their actual drop zones. 1897 01:41:46.039 --> 01:41:48.640 We I actually looked this up. 1898 01:41:48.680 --> 01:41:53.439 The very first night vision goggles quote unquote was actually 1899 01:41:53.479 --> 01:41:56.439 developed during World War Two. But this thing looked like 1900 01:41:56.520 --> 01:41:59.600 a massive flashlight on the bottom of like a in 1901 01:41:59.680 --> 01:42:02.720 one And the god was it was like basically a 1902 01:42:02.800 --> 01:42:05.800 forty pound attachment that this dude had to use to 1903 01:42:06.079 --> 01:42:09.159 do anything with it. And it was like, I guarantee 1904 01:42:09.159 --> 01:42:11.399 this guy got cancer from using it. Like, you know, 1905 01:42:11.560 --> 01:42:13.199 it was not good. It only had a range of 1906 01:42:13.239 --> 01:42:17.399 like fifty feet or something. Like that now for behind 1907 01:42:17.520 --> 01:42:21.520 enemy line situations where stealth is key, sure, but it 1908 01:42:21.560 --> 01:42:24.159 was still in the very early prototype stages. That would 1909 01:42:24.199 --> 01:42:26.079 have meant that they would have had to use flares, 1910 01:42:26.119 --> 01:42:28.399 They would have had to use uh, you know, something 1911 01:42:28.439 --> 01:42:30.560 to light up the night sky, and I feel like 1912 01:42:30.600 --> 01:42:33.279 that would have made them equally as targeted. 1913 01:42:33.720 --> 01:42:35.800 I don't know. I don't know what the. 1914 01:42:35.840 --> 01:42:38.800 What thought process was on that, for sure. It's interesting 1915 01:42:38.800 --> 01:42:41.760 to look at though, for sure. I mean again, it 1916 01:42:41.800 --> 01:42:43.119 was messy. 1917 01:42:43.279 --> 01:42:48.279 Yeah, I don't know, but. 1918 01:42:48.720 --> 01:42:51.000 Yeah, we were gonna end like twenty or thirty minutes ago, 1919 01:42:51.079 --> 01:42:53.439 and when then we started talking about Normandy and stuff. 1920 01:42:53.720 --> 01:42:54.279 I mean, I do. 1921 01:42:54.680 --> 01:42:55.840 I'm pretty much out of stuff. 1922 01:42:56.720 --> 01:42:57.720 That's cool. That's cool. 1923 01:42:58.439 --> 01:42:59.920 And let me know what you find out about this 1924 01:43:00.039 --> 01:43:02.239 red book app dude, as we as we wrap this up, 1925 01:43:02.279 --> 01:43:04.159 I would love to hear what you find on it, 1926 01:43:04.920 --> 01:43:08.159 whether that's on the Cult to Conspiracy Live or on 1927 01:43:08.279 --> 01:43:09.800 the next Cajun Night Live that we do. 1928 01:43:09.920 --> 01:43:12.399 Either way, we'd love to hear your two cents on this. 1929 01:43:12.640 --> 01:43:15.199 Uh, Raven Lee, if you have anything you would like 1930 01:43:15.239 --> 01:43:17.159 to add into the conversation, please do. 1931 01:43:20.520 --> 01:43:23.279 I was reading AI while you guys were talking about 1932 01:43:24.560 --> 01:43:28.319 all of this. I was reading about AI stuff. I 1933 01:43:28.359 --> 01:43:32.800 do actually really like, like the normandy and stuff like that. 1934 01:43:32.840 --> 01:43:34.720 Like I was really big into it. My dad was 1935 01:43:34.720 --> 01:43:39.960 big into watching historical stuff and whatnot. But I'll be honest, 1936 01:43:40.000 --> 01:43:43.640 it's not I like specific history time periods, so I 1937 01:43:43.720 --> 01:43:47.600 like more hubbed to certain time periods. But yeah, I 1938 01:43:47.640 --> 01:43:50.279 was reading about AI and about psychedelics and things that 1939 01:43:50.279 --> 01:43:52.880 they're passing and things that they're doing and predicting for 1940 01:43:53.000 --> 01:43:55.880 this year, and that's what I was kind of reading. 1941 01:43:55.880 --> 01:43:58.039 I didn't know what you guys were, where you guys 1942 01:43:58.079 --> 01:43:59.640 were heading with this whole thing, So. 1943 01:43:59.720 --> 01:44:00.479 No, you're cool. 1944 01:44:00.680 --> 01:44:04.319 I will say, as far as the stereotypical middle aged 1945 01:44:04.520 --> 01:44:07.600 man conversation goes, it seems like you pick a time 1946 01:44:07.640 --> 01:44:10.640 period you just dive into. For a lot of dudes, 1947 01:44:10.680 --> 01:44:13.720 it's the Roman Empire, and for other dudes it's World 1948 01:44:13.760 --> 01:44:16.319 War Two. That that seems to be the two big 1949 01:44:16.319 --> 01:44:18.560 ones that dudes just go to all the time. 1950 01:44:18.880 --> 01:44:22.479 So I get one hundred percent. I feel like men 1951 01:44:22.520 --> 01:44:26.520 are very specific in their time periods of when they 1952 01:44:26.720 --> 01:44:29.720 like things, So I mean I like different I like 1953 01:44:29.760 --> 01:44:32.239 different time periods. I'm just like, I'll let them talk, 1954 01:44:32.359 --> 01:44:34.600 you know, I'm listening to you all in your conversation, 1955 01:44:34.800 --> 01:44:37.680 but I was also reading about AI stuff because I 1956 01:44:37.680 --> 01:44:40.319 was curious to see what things are happening. A whole 1957 01:44:40.319 --> 01:44:42.279 bunch of stuff has been pushed out in the last 1958 01:44:42.279 --> 01:44:43.359 few days, So. 1959 01:44:44.199 --> 01:44:47.359 M interesting things you want to bring up. 1960 01:44:47.359 --> 01:44:52.520 Or or it's just about talking about the exciting developments 1961 01:44:52.560 --> 01:44:57.439 around the corner quote unquote the generation AI bubble that 1962 01:44:57.439 --> 01:44:59.680 they're talking about, like they're just trying to push a 1963 01:44:59.680 --> 01:45:04.720 lot of AI interaction this year. That's like seems to 1964 01:45:04.720 --> 01:45:08.079 be the big thing is that there is a lot 1965 01:45:08.079 --> 01:45:12.239 of speculation about AI. They're trying to push the green 1966 01:45:12.279 --> 01:45:17.560 and responsible AI movement because the AI plants are using 1967 01:45:17.680 --> 01:45:21.640 so much energy that now people are pushing back against them. So, 1968 01:45:22.479 --> 01:45:24.960 you know, with them taking over three mile and them 1969 01:45:25.000 --> 01:45:27.840 trying to build the big AI thing here in Louisiana, 1970 01:45:28.359 --> 01:45:31.079 there is a lot of conversation about is it actually 1971 01:45:31.119 --> 01:45:33.520 going to be ethical? Is it going to be sustainable? 1972 01:45:33.720 --> 01:45:37.720 Is it going to be environmental friendly? And there's a 1973 01:45:37.760 --> 01:45:40.840 lot of stuff about AI and machine learning. They're trying 1974 01:45:40.840 --> 01:45:43.359 to figure out how to teach AI to do different things, 1975 01:45:43.840 --> 01:45:46.840 and a lot of ethical debates are being had, like 1976 01:45:46.960 --> 01:45:48.920 China is putting a stop to a lot of stuff. 1977 01:45:48.960 --> 01:45:53.159 That's China and the EU are putting a stop to 1978 01:45:53.199 --> 01:45:57.279 a lot of different programs with AI because they're feeling 1979 01:45:57.359 --> 01:46:00.520 like they're feeling the pressure quote unquote from people. It's 1980 01:46:00.640 --> 01:46:04.319 unethical that they are taking away jobs that they're trying 1981 01:46:04.359 --> 01:46:09.920 to implement AI in many different areas that really it's 1982 01:46:09.960 --> 01:46:15.680 gonna hinder humans more than it's gonna help humans. It's 1983 01:46:15.760 --> 01:46:18.680 just a lot of information about how like what they're 1984 01:46:18.720 --> 01:46:22.479 trying to plan on using this for. But also they're 1985 01:46:22.520 --> 01:46:28.039 like dead set on pushing forward with integrating AI one 1986 01:46:28.079 --> 01:46:31.800 hundred percent into our everyday lives and that these bots 1987 01:46:31.800 --> 01:46:35.079 and these robots they really are pushing to be able 1988 01:46:35.119 --> 01:46:39.479 to be more available and for everyday citizens to start 1989 01:46:39.600 --> 01:46:43.079 using all the time. So that's kind of lots of 1990 01:46:43.119 --> 01:46:46.760 different fronts, lots of different science stuff happened. The quantum 1991 01:46:46.760 --> 01:46:51.399 thing is really still one hundred percent going strong the 1992 01:46:51.479 --> 01:46:55.479 quantum field, and there's a lot of ethics being talked 1993 01:46:55.520 --> 01:46:58.119 about there is like how far is too far? Just 1994 01:46:58.199 --> 01:47:00.239 like with the mere bacteria, like we talked about up 1995 01:47:00.520 --> 01:47:03.760 they're trying to make they're trying to have AI actually 1996 01:47:04.119 --> 01:47:08.119 be able to counteract like different poisons and proteins and 1997 01:47:08.199 --> 01:47:13.479 make their own bacteria, make their own antigens against like 1998 01:47:14.279 --> 01:47:17.800 spitting spitting frogs or this type of dart frog that's 1999 01:47:17.880 --> 01:47:20.800 really poisonous. They're trying to make. The AI is trying 2000 01:47:20.800 --> 01:47:24.680 to combat the poison and make an antigen itself. So 2001 01:47:24.760 --> 01:47:27.720 pretty much what they talked about in the mirror bacteria 2002 01:47:27.760 --> 01:47:30.760 of not hey don't maybe we shouldn't like keep trying 2003 01:47:30.800 --> 01:47:33.359 to play god. They're still trying to play god, but 2004 01:47:33.399 --> 01:47:34.800 finding in a different way to do it. 2005 01:47:34.960 --> 01:47:38.000 So I like that that dude on Instagram when they 2006 01:47:38.000 --> 01:47:39.880 were like, are the humans going to stop production? Like 2007 01:47:39.920 --> 01:47:46.520 they're humans? No, Like that's yep, one hundred percent. And okay, 2008 01:47:46.520 --> 01:47:49.199 hold on. So I remember they were talking about building 2009 01:47:49.199 --> 01:47:54.199 a Tesla battery manufacturing facility in Louisiana. They are also 2010 01:47:54.319 --> 01:47:58.840 trying to build an AI uh thing in Louisiana. 2011 01:47:58.960 --> 01:48:01.800 Yeah, there's a pair an AI thing that they're trying 2012 01:48:01.840 --> 01:48:03.960 to build as well. Because you have to remember Gates 2013 01:48:04.039 --> 01:48:08.079 owns the most land here. Yeah, he does in Louisiana, 2014 01:48:08.199 --> 01:48:12.680 and so they there is talks quote unquote of potentially 2015 01:48:12.720 --> 01:48:19.079 putting an AI facility here. So it's there, you know, 2016 01:48:19.199 --> 01:48:22.239 cause three miles being taken over. So that's going to 2017 01:48:22.279 --> 01:48:25.279 be a whole thing. But it's more or less of 2018 01:48:25.520 --> 01:48:29.439 they're really trying to figure out how to win the 2019 01:48:29.479 --> 01:48:34.479 public over with AI, and that's that's the big thing, 2020 01:48:34.520 --> 01:48:38.520 because like chat GBT is like huge they're making you 2021 01:48:38.520 --> 01:48:41.079 know a lot of people love it. Well, they saw 2022 01:48:41.119 --> 01:48:44.640 a rise from thirty two percent and twenty twenty three 2023 01:48:44.760 --> 01:48:49.479 of businesses using some some type of AI to seventy 2024 01:48:49.520 --> 01:48:53.439 two percent in twenty twenty four. So their goal is 2025 01:48:53.560 --> 01:48:56.840 really to integrate AI almost one hundred percent completely in 2026 01:48:56.880 --> 01:49:02.479 the workplace in businesses globally. Now what that looks like 2027 01:49:02.680 --> 01:49:05.359 is that meaning that everyone's losing their jobs? Does that 2028 01:49:05.479 --> 01:49:09.159 mean that they're no longer going to freely think, they're 2029 01:49:09.199 --> 01:49:11.560 not going to learn how to like actually do anything 2030 01:49:11.560 --> 01:49:14.079 for themselves? Like, I'm not sure to what end that 2031 01:49:14.119 --> 01:49:15.239 they're trying to push it for. 2032 01:49:16.199 --> 01:49:19.119 I just want a BUCkies? Can we get a BUCkies 2033 01:49:19.119 --> 01:49:19.920 in Louisiana? 2034 01:49:20.079 --> 01:49:22.640 No, we have to worry about TESLA facilities and AI 2035 01:49:22.800 --> 01:49:24.119 facilities and all this other. 2036 01:49:24.479 --> 01:49:29.399 Wild man, I got one. 2037 01:49:29.319 --> 01:49:31.640 Other fun thing, you know, a thing or two about 2038 01:49:31.680 --> 01:49:34.680 cane sugar. Well I was trying to help my son 2039 01:49:34.800 --> 01:49:38.960 do this home science experiment where we make rat candy. Yeah, 2040 01:49:38.960 --> 01:49:41.279 and it didn't work because I guess I didn't make 2041 01:49:41.319 --> 01:49:44.600 it concentrated enough. There's like two cups of sugar to 2042 01:49:44.720 --> 01:49:48.640 one cup of water. Anyway, it didn't work, but I 2043 01:49:48.640 --> 01:49:50.479 didn't want to just throw it away, so I diluted 2044 01:49:50.479 --> 01:49:52.600 it up to about a gallon and through some yeast 2045 01:49:52.640 --> 01:49:55.319 in it. And so now we're making some sugarcane ale. 2046 01:49:56.079 --> 01:49:58.960 They go, I'll let you know how it turns out. 2047 01:49:59.079 --> 01:50:02.520 So far, you know it's working. It's just the yeast's bubbling. 2048 01:50:02.680 --> 01:50:04.640 I'll let you know how it works out. 2049 01:50:05.199 --> 01:50:07.359 Do you use regular white sugar? Do you use like 2050 01:50:07.439 --> 01:50:08.079 raw sugar? 2051 01:50:08.960 --> 01:50:11.720 It was cane sugar. It was a little tiny bit brown, 2052 01:50:11.800 --> 01:50:13.880 somewhere between brown sugar and white sugar. 2053 01:50:14.239 --> 01:50:16.199 Okay, crystals. 2054 01:50:17.199 --> 01:50:19.960 I will be very curious how that comes out. Also 2055 01:50:20.880 --> 01:50:23.119 very interested on the taste. I'm wondering that's gonna have 2056 01:50:23.159 --> 01:50:25.000 more of a rum flavor, if it's gonna have more 2057 01:50:25.039 --> 01:50:28.520 of like an agricole flavor, which God, that is some 2058 01:50:28.600 --> 01:50:32.079 of the harshest liquor I've ever experienced. 2059 01:50:31.600 --> 01:50:35.840 In my life. But yeah, definitely letting let me know 2060 01:50:35.880 --> 01:50:37.039 what that's about for sure. 2061 01:50:37.880 --> 01:50:38.399 Yeah, we'll do. 2062 01:50:38.720 --> 01:50:40.199 And Raven, the more you. 2063 01:50:40.119 --> 01:50:42.920 Find out about these AI facilities, they are being built, 2064 01:50:43.039 --> 01:50:46.399 especially with the way this technology is advancing in this country, 2065 01:50:46.399 --> 01:50:48.279 and like you said, they're already trying to take over 2066 01:50:48.720 --> 01:50:52.439 nuclear power facilities to power all of it. Bill Gates, 2067 01:50:52.479 --> 01:50:55.199 being the number one owner of land in this state, 2068 01:50:55.520 --> 01:50:57.760 I am also very curious to see how this shakes out, 2069 01:50:57.880 --> 01:51:01.479 So keep us in the loop on that. And with that, 2070 01:51:01.720 --> 01:51:03.720 I think we are going to wrap up this Cajun 2071 01:51:03.800 --> 01:51:06.239 Night Live. 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