Speaker 1: Objective logic and reason side in an overabundance of woke
Speaker 1: philosophy that is irrational, is made up day by day
Speaker 1: as people are like I think we should bring racism back,
Speaker 1: and then here's a justification, and then it gets woke
Speaker 1: afied and spread out, and then all of a sudden
Speaker 1: you have a bunch of communist socialist ideas where you
Speaker 1: become the property in action. You need to be able
Speaker 1: to stand on your own ground. It helps to have
Speaker 1: a foundation in philosophy because it's a method to fine
Speaker 1: truth when you get down to it. Philosophy is there
Speaker 1: because you love truth enough to go and learn how
Speaker 1: to find it, because it's valuable. So if you're interested
Speaker 1: in things like that. There is the landing page. We'll
Speaker 1: link it up in the notes. It is a longer once,
Speaker 1: so we'll get a shorter URL for this. I'm sure
Speaker 1: Jay has a link on his page. I just wanted
Speaker 1: to show it off. Now you know what exists, you
Speaker 1: can go look for it and see why this is
Speaker 1: not your father's philosophy.
Speaker 2: Right, So well done.
Speaker 1: I'm proud of everyone who helped to produce and edit
Speaker 1: the course, and of course Jay did a flawless job
Speaker 1: in presenting the course over those twelve weeks, and he's
Speaker 1: a juggernaut. He's another guy just like John Bush, in
Speaker 1: action all the time, doing something productive, like very little
Speaker 1: wasted time in his week, those one hundred and sixty
Speaker 1: eight hours of being harnessed very well. I want to
Speaker 1: show off something that we're all proud of. I've got
Speaker 1: a browser here. This is Jay Dyers, much vaunted, much
Speaker 1: sought after philosophy one oh one. Now he just got
Speaker 1: this page up. We are just testing it out. You
Speaker 1: guys are some of the first people in the world
Speaker 1: to see it. I want to say, for my part,
Speaker 1: it's not philosophy want oh one.
Speaker 2: I think this is as mistitling.
Speaker 1: I really think is as like philosophy unleashed because a
Speaker 1: philosophy want on one course, they give you kind of
Speaker 1: some useless information that you can't make sense of. Jay
Speaker 1: actually lays out, over twelve weeks, dozens and dozens of
Speaker 1: hours put into just the presentation of this let alone
Speaker 1: the hundreds and thousands of hours of research that it
Speaker 1: takes to have a coherent evolution and history of the
Speaker 1: origins of philosophy, the uses of philosophy, the different ways
Speaker 1: to look at it over time and how that has
Speaker 1: been brought about to what we have today, which is
Speaker 1: almost an absence of philosophy on the objective, logic and
Speaker 1: reason side, in an overabundance of woke philosophy that is
Speaker 1: irrational is made up day by day as people are
Speaker 1: like I think we should bring racism back, and then
Speaker 1: here's the justification, and then it gets wokeified and spread out,
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden you have a bunch
Speaker 1: of communist socialist ideas where you become the property in action.
Speaker 1: You need to be able to stand on your own ground.
Speaker 1: It helps to have a foundation in philosophy because it's
Speaker 1: a method to fine truth when you get down to it.
Speaker 1: Philosophy is there because you love truth enough to go
Speaker 1: and learn how to find it, because it's valuable. So
Speaker 1: if you're interested in things like that. There is the
Speaker 1: landing page. We'll link it up in the notes. It
Speaker 1: is a longer once, so we'll get a shorter URL
Speaker 1: for this. I'm sure Jay has a link on his page.
Speaker 1: I just wanted to show it off. Now you know
Speaker 1: what exists, you can go look for it and see
Speaker 1: why this is not your father's philosophy. Right, I want
Speaker 1: to show off something that we're all proud of. I've
Speaker 1: got a browser here.
Speaker 2: Welcome everybody. You may not recognize this man, but you
Speaker 2: may only an edva like myself could pull in other
Speaker 2: celebrity e divas, ladies and gentlemen. Neil from dirt Port Robins.
Speaker 2: Welcome Neil.
Speaker 3: Well, so good to be here. I watch it so
Speaker 3: many times in the stream. I just want to touch this.
Speaker 4: Yes, I'm actually here now. Yeah. Cool.
Speaker 2: So it's uh, you know, it's kind of a relicive.
Speaker 2: What's that?
Speaker 3: I was?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: No, Hey, I feel like did I maybe hint at
Speaker 3: this via text when we were chatting earlier?
Speaker 2: Oh I did?
Speaker 6: I didn't know. I just I went into my news
Speaker 6: and I spoke to the Lord, and the Lord told
Speaker 6: me that Neil's coming.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, okay, okay. I call that the librarium.
Speaker 3: I tell my wife when I like want her to
Speaker 3: do something for me, that I found it in my librarium,
Speaker 3: which is like a secret spot. I have access to
Speaker 3: true information that I can't know otherwise. So yeah, it's
Speaker 3: a similar thing. You could say news. I say librarium,
Speaker 3: mind palace, mind palace, mind palace, Mine, Cathedral.
Speaker 2: So, guys, we have with us the excellent musician and
Speaker 2: as I said, also excellent Orthodox thinker. In fact, I
Speaker 2: listened to the Jason Myron Chuck podcast the other day
Speaker 2: and Jim Bob and Jim Jatras and Neil and John
Speaker 2: Here's John here is not to excuse me. Yes, it
Speaker 2: was a great discussion, and I was really impressed with
Speaker 2: Neil's answers to a lot of the topics and questions
Speaker 2: that came. So Neil is with us today, and if
Speaker 2: you have questions or concerns or issues, we're both going
Speaker 2: to be answering or Orthodox questions or other types of
Speaker 2: questions as well. Whatever Neil feels comfortable discussing, he may
Speaker 2: not be comfortable discussing.
Speaker 3: I'll discuss anything today, Jay for you. I'm already on
Speaker 3: your channel, and so you discuss everything.
Speaker 4: I'll just roll with you.
Speaker 2: Well we had it.
Speaker 4: We might play good cop, bad cop or something like that.
Speaker 2: That's a good way to do it. Because Neil once
Speaker 2: thought I was mean, and then we went to dinner
Speaker 2: and he came away and decided I'm not.
Speaker 3: Actually I figured it out before, so I was I
Speaker 3: didn't think you were mean. I was told you were
Speaker 3: mean by many people, And then I watched your show
Speaker 3: and I was like, this is kind of awesome. I
Speaker 3: think they're wrong, but I also kind of like there's
Speaker 3: a lot of utility in mean right now.
Speaker 4: We can get into that later maybe because that's.
Speaker 2: Actually a good question though, before we get off, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna ask you that question first. So why would you
Speaker 2: say there's some utility in being mean at this juncture?
Speaker 2: At this stage, Like, shouldn't we just always be cow
Speaker 2: towing and just sort of having that.
Speaker 4: Yes, always couch shit.
Speaker 2: Shouldn't we always just be mats that are walked on?
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, didn't that get us in this mess
Speaker 4: we're in?
Speaker 3: So I mean, so there's all these agreeable people out
Speaker 3: in the world, And then I think in Western Christianity
Speaker 3: there's there's a lot more pressure to be nice because
Speaker 3: of your witness.
Speaker 4: In other words, you.
Speaker 3: Are saved, and now the thing you do is you
Speaker 3: show your witness, So you clean up your act, you
Speaker 3: stop smoking, you stop swearing, you stop those kind of things.
Speaker 4: Well, also, if people don't like to hurt people's feelings.
Speaker 3: We got this kind of moral therapeutic vibe going on
Speaker 3: in a world where we're pickling in this pickle jar
Speaker 3: that is of you know, political correctness. And so what's
Speaker 3: happened is me, I'm not necessarily the most upfront, aggressive
Speaker 3: style of person. I'd rather take a you know, a
Speaker 3: more persuasive road instead of going at something directly because
Speaker 3: it's important to me, like the person knows I love them,
Speaker 3: but at the same time, like nice and love are
Speaker 3: not equal, helpful and love can be equal. So what
Speaker 3: I've found is I wasn't the person to do it,
Speaker 3: but people like you were more than I was in
Speaker 3: the sense that we got back. By twenty sixteen twenty seventeen,
Speaker 3: we were backed into such a corner we couldn't talk
Speaker 3: about anything anymore.
Speaker 4: Like it just the.
Speaker 3: Most common sense, scientific realities were unsayable because it hurt
Speaker 3: someone's feelings. Now I get where these people are coming from,
Speaker 3: and I get why this was happening, But you know,
Speaker 3: to the average person on the street, they thought they
Speaker 3: were trying to find their purpose and trying to find
Speaker 3: their meaning.
Speaker 4: To the politicians, they're just trying to get votes.
Speaker 3: And so I was always really concerned because you know,
Speaker 3: people are being manipulated and their desires are being manipulated,
Speaker 3: and their narratives being manipulated for the purpose of getting
Speaker 3: them to vote a certain way. So what had happened
Speaker 3: is they had pushed the things we needed to talk
Speaker 3: about behind a paywall of offense. And I'm not the
Speaker 3: guy to do it. I'm not going to go out
Speaker 3: there and just offend everyone and create rooms. So what
Speaker 3: I noticed is that people were complaining about you and
Speaker 3: some work that other people were doing. Won't even bring
Speaker 3: them up right now, and that was the problem. It
Speaker 3: wasn't the problem wasn't what they were talking about. It
Speaker 3: wasn't what they were saying, It was how they were
Speaker 3: saying it, and they thought they were being mean. And
Speaker 3: the thing I realized when I was watching, I was like, oh, man, like,
Speaker 3: we actually we need people because we got pushed into
Speaker 3: a corner so far and we're behind this paywall of
Speaker 3: offense and now you can't say if you're unwilling to
Speaker 3: offend people, you can't talk about certain things. And so
Speaker 3: I think the content creators that are doing that are
Speaker 3: actually creating space for the nice people who are complaining
Speaker 3: about it that they're going to baskin.
Speaker 4: You're creating a beachhead.
Speaker 3: Where people are going to come along who are like, oh, like,
Speaker 3: we want to play nice, we want to play an
Speaker 3: they're going to get to do it. You know, they're
Speaker 3: going to get to do it. But because other people
Speaker 3: went out and did the work and ran through the
Speaker 3: briers for them in the barbed wire. So that's my
Speaker 3: take on it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel that way with how could I put
Speaker 2: it the way that certain comedians in the last five
Speaker 2: years pioneered saying a lot of things that you're not
Speaker 2: supposed to say. Words you can't say the hard R
Speaker 2: for example, and then that kind of freeing things up,
Speaker 2: and the comedians took a lot of hits, a lot
Speaker 2: of flak for doing that, but I think in the
Speaker 2: long run that was a good thing. Let's read a
Speaker 2: couple of super chats here because they're piling up and
Speaker 2: I want to be fair to everyone.
Speaker 7: Jesse Lee Peers and fans said for two dollars, would
Speaker 7: you ever go one Lee Peers some podcast or fall
Speaker 7: in the state only if he had missed a women
Speaker 7: and the Geisha Hill.
Speaker 4: There's even understand what you just said? What was that?
Speaker 2: Jesse Lee Pearson says that women are the gates of hell.
Speaker 4: Interesting.
Speaker 3: I have a song called Welcome to Lady Hell, which
Speaker 3: is it's actually it's a description of like what the
Speaker 3: life women would want the least.
Speaker 4: Okay, so you got to listen to it.
Speaker 3: You can go find that song. It's not really like
Speaker 3: a roast on feminism. It's it's more like it takes.
Speaker 4: Place in the musical.
Speaker 3: But the funny thing about that is that Jordan Peterson,
Speaker 3: like his name sounds like Jordan, that was like his
Speaker 3: favorite song by yeah. Yeah, So he had his come
Speaker 3: and play this song live. But we had to kind
Speaker 3: of explained it beforehand because we were writing musicals and stories.
Speaker 3: So like a lot of the songs if you just
Speaker 3: listen to the songs from the perspective of a villain.
Speaker 4: But he liked all the villain songs apparently, so oh yeah, well.
Speaker 2: There we go, there we go. Yeah. So Jesse Lee Peterson,
Speaker 2: for those that don't know, is the sort of cantankerous
Speaker 2: and hilarious black guy commentator that he's definitely an oddball.
Speaker 2: He is an arian, so he has his own made
Speaker 2: up church that I don't care for. He did have
Speaker 2: some really funny podcasts though, with you know, sort of
Speaker 2: three oh four type figures that he calls out those
Speaker 2: are very entertaining. The Jamie Kennedy podcast is one of
Speaker 2: the funniest that he did because he told Jamie Kennedy
Speaker 2: to create his own laughing club, which I thought was
Speaker 2: really funny for a comedian. But I don't know if
Speaker 2: I would. I don't think he would have me on.
Speaker 2: I know people have been asking him for a long
Speaker 2: time to have me on. I don't know if he would,
Speaker 2: but I mean maybe if I started an only fans
Speaker 2: he would because then you can get on there pretty
Speaker 2: easily for you. But James caton three dollars, why do
Speaker 2: bishops a few bishops rebuke those that want to join
Speaker 2: the ecumenist movement? Well, rokor has still as its policy
Speaker 2: the early eighties statement against Ecumenism, so it is part
Speaker 2: of our sort of officialists ish statement. There's a lot
Speaker 2: of pressure amongst other jurisdictions to go along with this,
Speaker 2: so it's a very nuanced, challenging question. And also probably
Speaker 2: they want to that. I think that Orthodox bishops, I'm guessing,
Speaker 2: view that as kind of the last resort to public
Speaker 2: rebuke stuff. But we will probably get to that. Feel
Speaker 2: free to jump in on any comment that you want
Speaker 2: to jump.
Speaker 4: In on humanism sucks.
Speaker 2: You know, water malonious seven dollars. You didn't do nothing,
Speaker 2: but you invited on. You should invite on Brother Nathaniel
Speaker 2: and quash the beef. He is misguided, but he's good faith. Well, honestly,
Speaker 2: I just don't think it's worth having that conversation because
Speaker 2: I never talked about him or had any interaction and
Speaker 2: he just decided to kind of go after me for
Speaker 2: no reason. So and again I think that if you're
Speaker 2: an Orthodox quote monastic for twenty years, but you don't
Speaker 2: know what theosis is to me, that calls everything to
Speaker 2: question Orthodox streamer ten dollars. About the Holy Fire, there's
Speaker 2: a journalist's named Demetrius Ali Kakos, and there's an archbishop Isidorus,
Speaker 2: and they said the Holy Fire is not a miracle
Speaker 2: that they all create it. I've seen these videos from
Speaker 2: me years. I've never been to the event. But I
Speaker 2: also don't make a huge apologetic argument on the basis
Speaker 2: of the Holy Fire. So I've left that up in
Speaker 2: the air. Father Deacon, do you have any comments on that?
Speaker 2: What would you say to somebody who said, oh, this
Speaker 2: has been deblooked by a Greek journalist. I would like
Speaker 2: to see it. Well, the video, he says, Go watch
Speaker 2: the video. It's on YouTube. It's called light I light
Speaker 2: the Holy Fire. So apparently they've found the guy who
Speaker 2: does it. I supposedly.
Speaker 4: Nice about time they found him.
Speaker 6: I mean, our faith doesn't hinge on on one miracle,
Speaker 6: so I mean it's a I doubt I doubt they have.
Speaker 6: And there's all kinds of miracles associated around it too,
Speaker 6: so I mean you'd have to go through each one
Speaker 6: of those and throughout the entire history of so like
Speaker 6: good luck.
Speaker 2: You also think that this is a mistake that people
Speaker 2: do where they make the argument about this or that miracle,
Speaker 2: and if you can debunk that miracle then or prove
Speaker 2: it to be the case supposedly, oh well, then that
Speaker 2: proves the religion.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: We hear this from a Roman Catholics all the time,
Speaker 2: all the miracles of the saints. This proves the Romancalolic position.
Speaker 2: And then when we find the same types of claims
Speaker 2: amongst the Coptics, like zy Tune in Egypt where Mary
Speaker 2: appears supposedly, oh well that doesn't count. That doesn't prove
Speaker 2: Coptic stuff, because well it's only the Roman Catholic apparitions
Speaker 2: that count, so the goalposts end up moving. And that's
Speaker 2: why I don't really ever make that kind of stuff
Speaker 2: the definitive proof. I think there will be miracles that
Speaker 2: accompany the true faith, but they can't be kind of
Speaker 2: the thing that you pivot on to prove or disprove it.
Speaker 2: Great question, though, Let's see William Santos five dollars a day?
Speaker 2: Do you think I can ask it? By the way,
Speaker 2: we're gonna ask you questions. I apologize, We're not trying.
Speaker 4: To just no, I'm hanging out. This is great.
Speaker 2: We're gonna start asking you questions.
Speaker 4: This is the closest seat I ever had for your stream.
Speaker 2: We're gonna grill you in a moment. Okay, William Santos,
Speaker 2: Can I ask questions about our realism on discord? That's
Speaker 2: probably a safer route for that topic. We can't really
Speaker 2: do that on YouTube, it won't work. What about IQ
Speaker 2: and behavior and yeah, we'll get into that on discord.
Speaker 2: We can't really do that here. As you guys know,
Speaker 2: things are still very limited. Elijah Safer went on Jimmy
Speaker 2: Dore or you saw him on there, and he's wearing
Speaker 2: Orthodox cross. I assume he's becoming Orthodox, Well, I don't
Speaker 2: know that he is, but he's definitely ask a lot
Speaker 2: of questions to me, a lot of Orthodox priests he's
Speaker 2: talked to, so he's definitely interested. Probably counts as an inquirer.
Speaker 2: I don't think he's become a Catechuman, but definitely pray
Speaker 2: for Elijah Shaffer. We'd like to see him become Orthodox.
Speaker 2: Kyle is Canada cooked. I mean people ask me the
Speaker 2: same thing about the UK, like what do we do
Speaker 2: about the UK? What do we do? I don't know,
Speaker 2: I don't know what to do. What do you think?
Speaker 2: What do we do well?
Speaker 4: If Canada?
Speaker 3: Like if you start smelling a fresh pine scent in
Speaker 3: the air, that's probably Canada is cooked. And I've noticed that.
Speaker 3: So I talked about this with Jonathan Pajel over the
Speaker 3: weekend because this is this is where he lives, and
Speaker 3: I'm always trying to get him out. I'm like, man,
Speaker 3: we've got this special talents visa and green card and
Speaker 3: citizenship path. It's pretty easy to do. It takes about
Speaker 3: three or four years. He would totally qualify for it.
Speaker 3: It's just a matter. I mean, if I was there.
Speaker 3: So I've been in the same kind of position before
Speaker 3: in my life, like even during COVID, my state lockdown
Speaker 3: so hard and we're nomads.
Speaker 4: In other words, I make all my music with my band.
Speaker 4: I can live anywhere. We just sold our houses and
Speaker 4: moved to Florida. That was like the solution for it.
Speaker 3: So I think that people it depends, Like I mean,
Speaker 3: I don't know where God wants people, you know, whatever
Speaker 3: they're called to.
Speaker 4: Who knows.
Speaker 3: You can imagine that there's going to be some countries
Speaker 3: that that people are going to be left in that
Speaker 3: are too bad for you know, some godly mission. But
Speaker 3: outside of that, I mean, vote with your feet. Go
Speaker 3: where you're going to be treated well if you can
Speaker 3: afford to. So if you're in Canada, like you can
Speaker 3: get here, I would get here.
Speaker 2: That's actually a really good idea. I mean I know
Speaker 2: some people I won't say their names, but they also
Speaker 2: left their babyan socialist country to come to the US
Speaker 2: as well. Ortho Anglo Crow at twenty five dollars. Here's
Speaker 2: a book recommendation, The Master and Emissary Divided Brain in
Speaker 2: the Making of the Western World by Ian McGilchrist. It
Speaker 2: compliments a lot of what Father again and I springs
Speaker 2: up about left brain traps and ties in with Pageo's work.
Speaker 2: It's a recommended audio book. The first half is a
Speaker 2: very heavy lift.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, for sure. Have you read it?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 3: Okay, So I talked to I talked to Ian mcgilchris
Speaker 3: in London in February.
Speaker 4: Ok So we were it was kind of a cool event.
Speaker 3: We my wife Kate and I were durpoor Robbins the
Speaker 3: band have I said that yet we're in the background.
Speaker 2: I've got you up.
Speaker 4: I love it. I love it.
Speaker 3: So anyway, it was nice because there were some members
Speaker 3: from the Bulgar and Sip the orchestra, and we arranged
Speaker 3: one of our songs for them to play. So we
Speaker 3: played with the orchestra. But afterwards that one of the
Speaker 3: people I was most excited to talk to was hanging
Speaker 3: out in the green room was Ian McGilchrist. And so
Speaker 3: what I brought up with the Ian mcgilchris because I
Speaker 3: read the Master and his Emissary right at the same
Speaker 3: time I was becoming Orthodox, and I noticed this complete
Speaker 3: harmony with the way he was talking about the mapping
Speaker 3: of the brain, like the way these hemispheres interact, including
Speaker 3: the frontal lobe and the backlobe with the architecture of
Speaker 3: an Orthodox church. So if you look at the symbolism,
Speaker 3: like you can watch we can bring up Pageaux again
Speaker 3: he did in a thing. So if you watch one
Speaker 3: of his church tours and he talks about like what's
Speaker 3: the symbolic east. So in like Orthodoxy, the east is
Speaker 3: your head, it's what comes off the pillow in the
Speaker 3: morning is what rises. The south is your left hand,
Speaker 3: the north is your right hand, and your feet are
Speaker 3: the west. This is how the churches are laid out.
Speaker 3: This is pretty obvious, Like the church is shaped like
Speaker 3: a cross and you're laying on your back looking up. Well,
Speaker 3: we talked about the interplay that he was really going
Speaker 3: over between the left and the right hemisphere and Orthodox iconography.
Speaker 3: The way it's laid out is identical the reasons things
Speaker 3: are laid out. So it's like it was actually loved
Speaker 3: this idea. He loves Orthodoxy too, but he what I
Speaker 3: was saying is that you guys are finally picking up
Speaker 3: to what people had intuited with within Orthodoxy about the
Speaker 3: symbolically out of the world and what's been review to
Speaker 3: a scripture that the scientists are actually find catching up
Speaker 3: to realize that even our internal cosmos of our mind
Speaker 3: has the same exact layout of the cosmos above.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so we had a good talk about it. Anyway,
Speaker 4: I should have recorded it.
Speaker 2: It sounds kind of like, uh, the structure of the
Speaker 2: universe in Plato's timais as well. It's sort of structured
Speaker 2: like a man in the man's head and so forth.
Speaker 2: So that's interesting.
Speaker 4: I have take your word for that one.
Speaker 2: I would not lie. I've never lied once.
Speaker 4: A MONI I haven't caught yet.
Speaker 2: Do you know what's interesting?
Speaker 6: That's amazing thought. Actually, so the right brain is supposed
Speaker 6: to be like the whole right, it's the thing.
Speaker 3: Well no, no that well, yes, yes, the right brain
Speaker 3: because it's but they're flipped, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: So the right brain is your left hand and your
Speaker 3: left brain is your right hand.
Speaker 4: Right, Just want to make sure everybody knows that. To
Speaker 4: keep going.
Speaker 6: What's interesting about the architecture is that so the left
Speaker 6: brain is called piecemeal right, like it's pieces.
Speaker 2: It doesn't know where to go right m h. It
Speaker 2: needs the master, the master plant.
Speaker 6: So it's actually the kind of the whole pattern right
Speaker 6: that puts all the pieces in its right part. And
Speaker 6: if you think about the liturgically and in terms of
Speaker 6: the architecture, you have the whole that puts all the
Speaker 6: pieces in its right right spot in the liturgy and
Speaker 6: in the architecture.
Speaker 2: So that's kind of another cool.
Speaker 3: No, that's good, that's really good and too so if
Speaker 3: you look at like so in Christianity, the left hand
Speaker 3: and a positive sense, is a symbol of renewal, a
Speaker 3: symbol of recreation, and the right hand has to do
Speaker 3: with more tradition, what's been established, and so one of
Speaker 3: the really interesting things if you look at it, is
Speaker 3: like a clockward motion of like things beginning in the
Speaker 3: mind of God and then moving out into the world
Speaker 3: through the left hand. So one of the things Ian
Speaker 3: talks about in his book is that if you if
Speaker 3: someone's blinded in the darkness, you will protect yourself with
Speaker 3: your right hand and you will feel out into the
Speaker 3: world with your left hand. Everybody does this, and this
Speaker 3: is this is is showing us basically how we move
Speaker 3: out into the world and do things. So the interesting
Speaker 3: part about this is that all of mankind, as you
Speaker 3: moved through this circle, when we passed on to the
Speaker 3: left hand into where the feet are, let's just call that.
Speaker 3: Let's say that Death and Hades is that everybody stopped
Speaker 3: there because none of us were acceptable to be brought
Speaker 3: into the tradition. And it's in Christ. He's the first
Speaker 3: one who led the way to the right hand, and
Speaker 3: this is why it's significant that he's put on the
Speaker 3: right hand of the Father. So the architecture in the
Speaker 3: Orthodox Church is a physical example of a well ordered soul.
Speaker 3: And when you look at that well ordered soul, like
Speaker 3: Andrew Gould was talking about this, he's a church architect,
Speaker 3: and he was saying that what we see in the
Speaker 3: Orthodox Church is because our senses, our normal senses, are
Speaker 3: too weak to see what the world is really like.
Speaker 3: So when Jesus is transfigured and Moses and Elijah are
Speaker 3: with them, like, the idea is that this is actually
Speaker 3: an ongoing state of Christ and the world and the
Speaker 3: veil is being lifted for a second where they can
Speaker 3: see it. And so in the Orthodox Church we have
Speaker 3: this laid out in front of us because until until
Speaker 3: we're with God, our sight and our ears and our
Speaker 3: even our sense of smell are going to be too
Speaker 3: weak to know what the world is really shaped like
Speaker 3: and what God's really doing it, and so the Orthodox
Speaker 3: Church is also showing us that I thought that was wild.
Speaker 2: Speaking of I think both Pago and I have both
Speaker 2: covered this text, and I think this is it. Let
Speaker 2: me make sure this is the right one. Yeah, this
Speaker 2: has got to be it. So there's a small writing
Speaker 2: that Saint Maximus did that ties in well with Saint
Speaker 2: Germanis of Constantinople on the architecture of the church and
Speaker 2: the symbolism of the church and the building and the liturgy.
Speaker 2: And uh, if you want to watch my talk on
Speaker 2: this right here, it's called uh. I can't remember the
Speaker 2: name of that work, but somebody in the chat will
Speaker 2: remember what Maximus's little essay is on the church. But anyway,
Speaker 2: there's my talk on that there. And then I did
Speaker 2: link for you guys Pagoe's talk one of the talks
Speaker 2: with my biggest here. And then there's a full There
Speaker 2: is an immediate full and interview here beyond materialism the
Speaker 2: matter with things, if you guys want to check that
Speaker 2: out that Neil is mentioning. And also this is Neil's
Speaker 2: channel here, dirt, poor Robbins, and everybody be sure and
Speaker 2: follow him, go check out his music.
Speaker 3: So our last record is our most jdire record, meaning
Speaker 3: that you could probably throw up a lot of the
Speaker 3: tracks as you're opening music. It's definitely it's got some
Speaker 3: eighties it's cringe coin.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Matt Dilla Monkey is track three. We did our own
Speaker 3: version of it, not AI. We don't use aon our music,
Speaker 3: so now it's got more of a synthwave eighties rock vibe.
Speaker 2: It does. In fact, the Babbylon song was very interesting.
Speaker 4: Now that's from Queen of the Knight.
Speaker 2: I know that's older, but I like that one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's so. We did a movie called Queen
Speaker 3: of the Knight in twenty twenty two. It's a silent
Speaker 3: film we put our own music to, and that record
Speaker 3: has a dramatically different flavor because it's the nineteen twenties,
Speaker 3: and so we got this vaudevillian rag.
Speaker 4: Time throw that kind of thing happening.
Speaker 2: This is you here. They're all going wild on the guitar.
Speaker 3: I'm taking it. I'm going easy probably, and that's me
Speaker 3: and a parrot. Oh that bird flew away, guys. It
Speaker 3: was so sad, my African gray it flew away. Yeah,
Speaker 3: my daughter took it outside and we in some lady
Speaker 3: at the pet shop is like stop clip clipping the wings.
Speaker 3: They can't fly really anyway.
Speaker 4: And she took it outside and it away. So if
Speaker 4: you want to see us flaying live or something, let
Speaker 4: me see, you know what. Click on the hold on,
Speaker 4: go back up. This one's hilarious. Click on that one.
Speaker 3: This is us and like two, this is a throwback,
Speaker 3: but it is in twenty eleven covering Mary Poppins and.
Speaker 4: It will not play it.
Speaker 3: It doesn't like it. Scroll down, it might just get
Speaker 3: you there. Nope, these are random people. If never mind.
Speaker 4: Hey, you guys have the link to our channel. Go
Speaker 4: find it yourself.
Speaker 2: If you come over here to shorts and you see
Speaker 2: the one here, that one's that one's funny, spoonful sugar here.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and the other one the one you were talking
Speaker 4: about earlier. I'm ripping on the guitar whatever that was
Speaker 4: at the Symbolic World summit. Jonathan made us come and
Speaker 4: play this one.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, But we don't post a lot of shorts.
Speaker 3: I'm like really bad at I don't even know how
Speaker 3: our channels growing and stuff because I'm so bad at
Speaker 3: like posting content and stuff.
Speaker 4: I just I just want to post the songs and
Speaker 4: go back to work.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree the worst yeah sorts, but okay, So
Speaker 2: Anonymous Isaiah has differences between the masoretic and the septuo agent.
Speaker 2: Her debate with the Muslim products, and they're using the
Speaker 2: septuagent and the masoretic blah blah blah for the Angelo
Speaker 2: Great Council. How do you refute this? Well, I mean,
Speaker 2: the Masoretic text is not the normative text for the
Speaker 2: Orthodox churts, because we would agree that the Rabbinic sources
Speaker 2: in the first century did begin to alter and change
Speaker 2: and excise things. And that's what Aaron AA since he
Speaker 2: does to Martyr say. So, it's not that we can't
Speaker 2: refer to the Masoretic text when it's useful. The Book
Speaker 2: of Matthew does this in some places because sometimes people
Speaker 2: are not going to accept the septuo agent. So you're
Speaker 2: gonna have to say, okay, well, even in your Masoretic text,
Speaker 2: it admits this, this, this, and here. So it's not
Speaker 2: really an issue of like you know that one text.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's going to be an issue of authority
Speaker 2: and why are we supposed to go with the Rabbinic
Speaker 2: text anyway? Chris Mysterion, the chat wants to know if
Speaker 2: your musical guest is Enya. The answer is yes, this
Speaker 2: is actually Enya.
Speaker 3: My wife loves Enya so much still I can't stop her.
Speaker 3: It's like when she puts it on and I feel
Speaker 3: like I'm dying in a nursing home, Like, oh, I mean,
Speaker 3: uh's uh yeah, Well this.
Speaker 4: Explains a lot.
Speaker 2: That's why the chat was making. The joke was that
Speaker 2: because I'm this outlier that actually likes likes ay. Now,
Speaker 2: there's certain songs I don't like, but some of the
Speaker 2: more like pagan chanty, scary songs, I like that.
Speaker 3: All right, I'll throw you guys a free one to
Speaker 3: go along with that. If you were into Enya, you'll
Speaker 3: really be into a band called Iona and in the nineties,
Speaker 3: I oh yeah, yeah. Beyond These Shores is one of
Speaker 3: the best records from the nineties. It's about Saint Brendan's voyage.
Speaker 3: They were okay, man, look at this.
Speaker 4: Who knew?
Speaker 2: Who knew?
Speaker 4: Someone else knows? Iona? I say this in no one knows,
Speaker 4: but does everything.
Speaker 2: I have their double CD live. Yeah, they're great. Okay,
Speaker 2: so let's see where we at here. I think we
Speaker 2: did all these, We did all these. The shower Guy Okay,
Speaker 2: get out of the shower or this gross. Maybe I'm
Speaker 2: devouring your content. I used to be a Protestant pastor.
Speaker 2: I'm very convinced of Orthodoxy. I want to inquire at
Speaker 2: a local World Corps parish. My wife is turned off
Speaker 2: by the idea. She doesn't want to leave the church.
Speaker 2: It's causing a divide. Do you have any recommendation? This
Speaker 2: happens all the time, this question, like at least once
Speaker 2: a week, and I think Father Deacon has had really
Speaker 2: good advice about this, which is like, just keep going
Speaker 2: to the church. Be patient. Eventually she'll want to come,
Speaker 2: and if she meets other women and finds community, that's
Speaker 2: usually what happens, is that your experience.
Speaker 3: Yeah, now there are like ladies who want to know
Speaker 3: the answer to theological questions.
Speaker 4: They're really into some are really into church history.
Speaker 3: But for the most part, when this situation happens, what
Speaker 3: it is is that like we have to understand that
Speaker 3: like our taste, like the things we prefer, can be
Speaker 3: formed against us, meaning that like you've got to imagine,
Speaker 3: like the demonic powers in the world are going to
Speaker 3: help you gravitate towards things that aren't good for you.
Speaker 3: And won't benefit you. And in the back of their
Speaker 3: mind they know what the Orthodox Church is and a
Speaker 3: big part of the way our entire world is laid
Speaker 3: out in the West is so that you have an
Speaker 3: aversion to that. This is my hot take on it. Anyway,
Speaker 3: I can't prove that. I could probably give you some
Speaker 3: you know, circumstantial evidence. So what happens is is that
Speaker 3: there's a trick that happens in people's mind where they
Speaker 3: see these things are uncomfortable with. Like let's say, someone
Speaker 3: kissing icon, someone doing the side across, someone bowing a priest, investments,
Speaker 3: prosessions around the church, all of this stuff feels like
Speaker 3: what's going on here? And this is stuff that's been
Speaker 3: co opted by cults, as you know, the Church in
Speaker 3: the West abandoned these things. So they see it and
Speaker 3: they think it's cultist or they think it's idolatry or
Speaker 3: something like that. The best way to remove the idea
Speaker 3: of idolatry is just to be around the people who
Speaker 3: you think are practicing idolatry. So like someone like Gavin
Speaker 3: Ortland who's saying like, oh, this is an idolatrous practice
Speaker 3: the Orthodox made up. It's an accretion. It's like, okay,
Speaker 3: well what does idolatry produce in people? All right, go
Speaker 3: watch the people. See if you see that pride and
Speaker 3: that kind of action from them. So what I notice
Speaker 3: happens all the time. So, like you know, we go
Speaker 3: to different conferences, in different events, A lot of times
Speaker 3: guys will just bring their wife to a conference with them.
Speaker 3: They'll have some chill time talking to other people. Like
Speaker 3: these people not only are they like normal, but they're
Speaker 3: not performatively fake like you run into that, especially in
Speaker 3: certain circles in Protestantism, where it's like I gotta be nice,
Speaker 3: I gotta be nice, and it's this kind of ned
Speaker 3: Flanders without heart. And then you get around Orthodox people
Speaker 3: and they enjoy a drink and they'll laugh loud, and
Speaker 3: they're you know, and they actually care and they know
Speaker 3: how to pray for you. So I don't know, I
Speaker 3: think that the best thing to do is just to
Speaker 3: be around Orthodox people. Christ says they'll know you're Christians
Speaker 3: by your love for one another, and I think that's
Speaker 3: been evident in almost every Orthodox community I've wont into.
Speaker 3: I'm sure there are exceptions, but I think that would
Speaker 3: be your best starting.
Speaker 2: Point Zaye ten dollars honor person. By the way, guys,
Speaker 2: if you missed, I was just on with Sam Tripoli
Speaker 2: and we went deep into banking and World War two.
Speaker 2: Shout out to Sam tripley honored person. He says, jay
Speaker 2: I was becoming first, becoming Russian Orthodox. Theosis is one
Speaker 2: of the things I learned first that is super suss
Speaker 2: If someone is Orthodox and they don't know this, yeah,
Speaker 2: talking about Nathaniel exactly. Let's see we did this, when
Speaker 2: we did this. Okay, now I have a question for
Speaker 2: Neil and we'll open it up to the Q and
Speaker 2: A in the chat. So tell us a little bit
Speaker 2: about your trajectory because a lot of people don't know,
Speaker 2: like you had an evangelical background, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, how'd you get the Orthodoxy from?
Speaker 5: So?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was raised Catholic, and well we weren't at first.
Speaker 3: So like, how long do you want me to ta
Speaker 3: give me a range and I'll change the details. Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: so my parents raised me Catholic, but we weren't Catholic
Speaker 3: right away.
Speaker 4: I was chrisoned. You know, they throw a little water
Speaker 4: on your head.
Speaker 3: But we didn't really go to church, and I think
Speaker 3: when we were younger, my parents were starting to that problem.
Speaker 3: So my mom would walk over to the Catholic church
Speaker 3: in our neighborhood to pray. And I'd never been in
Speaker 3: a church, and so I remember going in there and
Speaker 3: like seeing this cross, and I thought it was the
Speaker 3: strangest thing I'd ever seen. That the reason this building
Speaker 3: exists and everybody went there was for that, and that
Speaker 3: was so alien to me. So but all at the
Speaker 3: same time, I like a good mystery. I liked it,
Speaker 3: so it kind of just kept knocking around the back
Speaker 3: of my head. So my parents, in efforts to try
Speaker 3: to help their marriage, which I think it may have,
Speaker 3: actually started making us attend Catholic church again.
Speaker 4: And I went to Catholic school.
Speaker 3: But I mean, it's unfair for me to describe my
Speaker 3: experience as a Catholic to other Catholics, because mine was
Speaker 3: particularly bad.
Speaker 4: Like it was particularly bad.
Speaker 3: So the catechism at the school was absolute nonsense all
Speaker 3: the way up into my early years in high school.
Speaker 3: So my first year at this school called Bishop Hendrick
Speaker 3: in high school, they had just gone there were a scandal.
Speaker 4: Where the bishop.
Speaker 3: Had been taking out boys and grooming them, and so
Speaker 3: reason my parents still sent me to the school, and
Speaker 3: so they had a huge it was like it was
Speaker 3: like national news level scandal. So that was at the
Speaker 3: school and this was like kind of like the top
Speaker 3: Catholic high school in the state. But in my religion class,
Speaker 3: they were teaching things like what they were calling contextualization
Speaker 3: at the time, and it was just basically, here's why
Speaker 3: nothing in the Bible actually happened, Here's why the miracles
Speaker 3: didn't happen. And even me, I was kind I wasn't
Speaker 3: really an atheist at all, but I wasn't into church,
Speaker 3: and so what was happening to me at the time,
Speaker 3: I thought that was the dumbest idea. It's like, if
Speaker 3: God's all powerful, why can he just interject events into
Speaker 3: his own creation.
Speaker 4: That just didn't make any sense anyway. That was pretty
Speaker 4: bad for me.
Speaker 3: But at the same time, when I started to get
Speaker 3: into music, music was a transcendent thing for me, Like
Speaker 3: so when I go to shows, there was a feeling
Speaker 3: you'd get like that, you know, whatever the goosebumps you
Speaker 3: get and that in that sense. And then when I
Speaker 3: started trying to write music myself, because I came from
Speaker 3: an entertainment family. My dad was a radio announcer. My
Speaker 3: mom was a jazz singer. Both sides of the family
Speaker 3: was loaded with musicians. We were like the von Trapps
Speaker 3: said Christmas, everybody saying harmony, and so I got kind
Speaker 3: of raised in this this Carney family.
Speaker 4: So we were always doing music.
Speaker 3: And then when I started to write music, I kept
Speaker 3: writing like Christian music and I had no interest in that.
Speaker 3: I was literally playing guitar to find girls and stuff
Speaker 3: like that, and so I was so frustrated myself because
Speaker 3: I was having these like positive intrusive thoughts. So after that,
Speaker 3: I ended up in one of my uncle's churches. So
Speaker 3: he invited us to church because he said, hey, like,
Speaker 3: we got this youth group and it's all girls and
Speaker 3: we need some guys.
Speaker 4: And I was like, yeah, I can do that.
Speaker 3: And it was a Pentecostal church and it was totally
Speaker 3: nuts and it kind of cringed me out, but at
Speaker 3: the same time, it was more alive and I started
Speaker 3: to get into it, but not as much as the
Speaker 3: other people in my band. So my band like went
Speaker 3: through a conversion. We went from just being a band
Speaker 3: that was like a hair band and in a progressive
Speaker 3: band and hair metal yeah, like metal yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so oh you got to like if you see
Speaker 4: if you go far enough back.
Speaker 2: Michael Bolton who went hair metal to like mom.
Speaker 4: Core, Yeah exactly. Well Torriamos did this too, well. I
Speaker 4: didn't mom core.
Speaker 2: I'm just joking.
Speaker 4: But so my experience of the Protestant church on a
Speaker 4: short run is like.
Speaker 3: It was cringey. I mean, I don't know how to
Speaker 3: say it. All along I thought there was something wrong
Speaker 3: with me. I was like, why do I keep finding
Speaker 3: problems with everything? Why I want to help with the music, right,
Speaker 3: I want to help at this church do worship music
Speaker 3: or whatever a musician, But it was like I had nothing.
Speaker 3: I wanted nothing to do with the sounds we were making.
Speaker 3: You know, I didn't know why this was the music
Speaker 3: we had chosen.
Speaker 2: And was this like standard sort of evangelical praise and
Speaker 2: worship touchdown?
Speaker 4: Yeah exactly. And you know, but with electric guitar at church,
Speaker 4: you're on the stage.
Speaker 3: And I remember the best thing was I finally convinced
Speaker 3: the pastor that I could do a guitar solo at church.
Speaker 3: And I was like about sixteen, and I went right
Speaker 3: up to the edge of the stage like it was
Speaker 3: a show, like curling my toes on the end and
Speaker 3: just like whipped the guitar out, kicked on the distortion
Speaker 3: and the girls at church started screaming. And that was
Speaker 3: the last time I got to do that for a
Speaker 3: while because it was just went off the rails to
Speaker 3: turn into a Van Halen concert immediately.
Speaker 4: Anyway, it was pretty bad.
Speaker 3: But you know, in general, like I say it like this,
Speaker 3: is that there was something so weird about the music
Speaker 3: because we were copying the world, which is already we're
Speaker 3: up to a bad start, you know, because in the
Speaker 3: Lord's prayer it's let your will be done on earth
Speaker 3: down here as it is in the heavens. Not that
Speaker 3: we were like, hey, what do we do for church?
Speaker 3: I don't know, Let's go look around the earth and
Speaker 3: see what's going on.
Speaker 2: Mean Christian band should be cold playing YouTube.
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, so cold playing YouTube.
Speaker 3: The problem with that is, like I didn't like those bands,
Speaker 3: and we still weren't as good as them, Like they
Speaker 3: cringed me out less than what we would do because
Speaker 3: we had to play by a set of rules that
Speaker 3: they couldn't. Like it had to be really singable for
Speaker 3: eighty year olds. It also had to be really sanitized
Speaker 3: God is not a god of confusion, So we got
Speaker 3: to understand every metaphor is got to be really clear
Speaker 3: and didactic, or it was like Jesus is my girlfriend
Speaker 3: kind of stuff. And I always assumed that I was
Speaker 3: there was something wrong with me that I didn't like it.
Speaker 3: Like it was never like, hey, these guys are doing
Speaker 3: the weirdest thing possible. There's no historical reference for anything.
Speaker 3: This is nothing like the church that was established. No,
Speaker 3: that was not my thought. My thought was like, man,
Speaker 3: if only I could get on board with this, if
Speaker 3: only I wasn't completely.
Speaker 4: Like grossed out during alter calls and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: And I always assumed it was something wrong with me
Speaker 3: until I kind of went everywhere. So I just started
Speaker 3: seeing everything and paying attention to what everybody was doing,
Speaker 3: Calvinist charismatics, whoever they were, and everybody had the same
Speaker 3: kind of story, which was like, well, we're all getting
Speaker 3: it a little bit wrong, you know, like it's not
Speaker 3: very uncommon to go to a church that has just
Speaker 3: recently changed its bylaws as dogmatic statements. They're updating things,
Speaker 3: we're learning as we go, and that was to me
Speaker 3: a no go. Also, like I was really starting to
Speaker 3: become obsessed with the early Church because I felt that
Speaker 3: would be the escape route to my frustration in the
Speaker 3: modern church that we had gone off the rails and
Speaker 3: we lost the track. But in my brain, my evangelical brain,
Speaker 3: I was like, it must have been like a hippie thing.
Speaker 3: Must have been like commune people just getting together, there's
Speaker 3: loving each other, and well, gee, that ruined me. Just
Speaker 3: to look even a cursory look at history. Was like,
Speaker 3: there's no Protestant. There's no Protestant domination that I could
Speaker 3: find anywhere. Like, I don't like to talk about Protestantism
Speaker 3: as if it's one thing, because it's not. I think
Speaker 3: I like to personally address all the different churches individually
Speaker 3: because they're not a unified front. And in fact, I
Speaker 3: think a lot of the group's believe in completely different gods.
Speaker 3: So anyway, Yeah, so when I got into that and
Speaker 3: I discovered there was like, oh my gosh, this is real.
Speaker 3: Then I went to an Orthodox church and so the
Speaker 3: historical arguments were great for me and really helpful to
Speaker 3: get me to look into it. But the reality is okay,
Speaker 3: you know, like like for your wife that doesn't want
Speaker 3: to go to.
Speaker 4: Church, with you or whatever.
Speaker 3: The church exists now and you can have an experience
Speaker 3: in that church. Now you don't have to know about
Speaker 3: the history. The history is helpful if you were let's say,
Speaker 3: you've adapted bad presuppositions along the way, and it's good
Speaker 3: at like helping reset like hey, listen, and maybe a
Speaker 3: well meaning person who didn't know any better taught you wrong.
Speaker 4: And that's what I experienced. So we went to an
Speaker 4: Orthodox church and I was like, so moved immediately.
Speaker 3: And I had a couple of like I don't want
Speaker 3: to talk about them, like I was talking about this
Speaker 3: with Cleeve to antiquity Ben.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I had some experiences that.
Speaker 3: Just were like it. There was a couple of things
Speaker 3: I still had problems with and they were just gone
Speaker 3: in an instant. But at the same time, there was
Speaker 3: like sixty other problems when I was looking at Orthodoxy
Speaker 3: from the outside that had already gotten solved.
Speaker 4: And so and here we are now. So we uh.
Speaker 3: I spent a lot of time in the Christian music industry.
Speaker 3: To become Orthodox was a huge hit to my career.
Speaker 3: I pretty much my entire network was gone.
Speaker 2: So when I did, were you already kind of ensconced
Speaker 2: in evangelical Christian music.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, I was like a professional Protestant. So we
Speaker 4: have lots of songs.
Speaker 3: Probably if you're an evangelical, you probably sang one of
Speaker 3: my songs at your church at some point.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 3: And we still get like checks in the mail for
Speaker 3: those songs and whatever. But luckily most of them I don't.
Speaker 3: When I go back and listen to I'm like, okay, that,
Speaker 3: like this didn't go off the rails, like I kept
Speaker 3: on safer subjects.
Speaker 2: You were one of the Gaithers. Is that correct?
Speaker 4: Yeah, heavy on the heavy on the first half of
Speaker 4: that name.
Speaker 3: Wait a little bit deeper, Yeah, gather with a hard R.
Speaker 3: So the gay either. So yeah, we were that and
Speaker 3: uh and so. But coming to orthodoxy was awesome. The
Speaker 3: first person who kind of picked me up, I got
Speaker 3: on his radar was Jonathan Pigot, and he really helped
Speaker 3: me rebuild some kind of connections because we were singing conferences.
Speaker 3: I was playing on worship records. I'd quit playing on
Speaker 3: worship records a while ago, or the last one I
Speaker 3: played on was this record called Songs Inspired by the Story.
Speaker 4: It was like every.
Speaker 3: Christian artist was on it, and I replaced their guitar
Speaker 3: player in their bands and it was one of the
Speaker 3: worst musical experiences I ever had.
Speaker 4: That was my final straw.
Speaker 3: I was like, this is just ripping my soul out
Speaker 3: to do music this bad.
Speaker 2: How did you first get the idea of I'm going
Speaker 2: to check out an Orthodox church? Like did you see it?
Speaker 2: Pago Vidio?
Speaker 3: Yeahoe, So you know the Peterson Pagel pipeline. So before
Speaker 3: Jordan Peterson became popular, I was heavily into symbolism. So
Speaker 3: as a Protestant, I was into typology and symbolism, and
Speaker 3: it was there was just a couple of guys like
Speaker 3: James Jordan and Alistair Roberts is one of the really
Speaker 3: good ones out in England. I think his book Echoes
Speaker 3: on Exodus is really really strong.
Speaker 4: And what was I gonna say about them? Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: So there was when I would talk about symbolism with people,
Speaker 3: I'd be like, it would just start breaking down the
Speaker 3: garden of eating.
Speaker 4: I remember I did, like I was asked to do
Speaker 4: a sermon.
Speaker 3: I was breaking down the symbolism of the fig leaves
Speaker 3: and the trees and why this and like it was
Speaker 3: all treated with such suspicion I was like, maybe I'm
Speaker 3: making this stuff up. It seems totally coherent to me,
Speaker 3: and I didn't do like for me at that time,
Speaker 3: there was.
Speaker 4: No history before the fifteenth century.
Speaker 3: There was no one to go and read on anything,
Speaker 3: and there's there's no one really coherently talking about symbolism
Speaker 3: in the West for five hundred years. So I actually
Speaker 3: found Jordan Peterson's Maps of Meaning book and there are
Speaker 3: parts of that were super illuminating to me, but parts
Speaker 3: of it just felt like really clunky. And then then
Speaker 3: he started incorporating Jonathan Pagot. When I picked up pa
Speaker 3: Jet stuff, I couldn't find anything wrong in what he
Speaker 3: was saying, and it actually kind of helped me, Like,
Speaker 3: I mean, it might have been self seeking move, but
Speaker 3: I was like, this is the things, these are the
Speaker 3: things I'm thinking about and writing about. And our music
Speaker 3: was always symbolic. We always went heavily in symbolism. In fact,
Speaker 3: we were doing something. It was like a modern version
Speaker 3: of apocalyptic literature, which is apocalyptic people think the end
Speaker 3: of the world. And yeah, we got a lot of
Speaker 3: songs and ideas around the end of the world, but
Speaker 3: apocalyptic meaning was an unveiling there are things we look
Speaker 3: at every day and we just reduced them to the
Speaker 3: material components and the mechanical causality. But they're actually shaped
Speaker 3: that way with a meaning. This exposing something that we're
Speaker 3: not ready to see directly yet. So that was I
Speaker 3: found that that was like the sweet spot in our music.
Speaker 3: So when I wrote stuff like that, that's when people
Speaker 3: were reporting back having like numinous experiences. They're getting like
Speaker 3: some kind of transcendence, so they couldn't fegre out why
Speaker 3: it was moving them emotionally, and I was having the
Speaker 3: same experience writing it. So when we did that, I
Speaker 3: finally found Jonathan Pagono was like, this guy knows exactly
Speaker 3: what he's talking about. And then I started reading Saint
Speaker 3: from the Syrian Saint Maximus the Confessor, and I was like,
Speaker 3: I found my home.
Speaker 4: I found my home.
Speaker 2: And that was around what was the.
Speaker 4: Year twenty seventeen.
Speaker 3: I found the first time, the first time I heard
Speaker 3: about Orthodoxy in a legitimate way. When I asked about
Speaker 3: it earlier on in my Christianity, someone told me it
Speaker 3: was Catholicism where they do the sign of the cross backwards.
Speaker 3: That's the only difference. In fact, if you look up
Speaker 3: a clip. It's on Ripley's Believe it or not. There
Speaker 3: was a show in the eighties and Jack Palance, he
Speaker 3: was like that old cowboy guy, Yeah yeah, and he
Speaker 3: was talking about he told the story if the split
Speaker 3: of the Great Schism, as if the schism was over.
Speaker 4: Which direction do the side of the cross? Look it up.
Speaker 3: It's the dumbest crap you've ever seen. It's completely historical,
Speaker 3: and it set me back probably twenty years because I
Speaker 3: think I would have become orthodox a lot earlier. The
Speaker 3: other thing, I heard an argument that Orthodoxy was bad
Speaker 3: because in the Soviet Union was it was too clunky
Speaker 3: to survive the persecution, meaning that the establishment, the structure
Speaker 3: of the institution was too bureaucratic, too wait baby bishops,
Speaker 3: yeah exactly, and so and then someone said, look in China,
Speaker 3: like look at all these like China, the church went underground,
Speaker 3: it didn't have this liturgical style, and look it still
Speaker 3: survived and still growing in China.
Speaker 4: And someone made that argument to me.
Speaker 3: But then when I actually looked into it historically, I
Speaker 3: realized that someone just totally made that up. So I
Speaker 3: had a bunch of setbacks. So twenty seventeen and then
Speaker 3: by twenty nineteen I was a catechumen, so yeah, and
Speaker 3: the family got on board right away. I was one
Speaker 3: of the lucky ones where my wife went and she's like,
Speaker 3: this is like Hogwarts for Christians.
Speaker 2: I'm in, you know. Nice. Well, that makes it easy
Speaker 2: when you know they're that, you know, open to moving
Speaker 2: in that direction because we get so many questions of
Speaker 2: people like how do I get my wife? How do
Speaker 2: I get my wife? Let's see shower guy says again
Speaker 2: Jay No, Bobby C says, expanding my library with nonfiction.
Speaker 2: What are your suggestions beyond Space Trilogy. I'm considering Dune. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I love Dune. I would say you should get Tolkien,
Speaker 2: you should get Lord of the Rings. You should get
Speaker 2: Philip K. Dick, you should get Ray Bradberry, you should
Speaker 2: get Flannery O'Connor, you should get I mean, there's so
Speaker 2: many fiction writers that are good. You know. We covered
Speaker 2: some of the classics and some of the podcasts. You know,
Speaker 2: we did William Golding, Lord of Flies. Recently we did
Speaker 2: Conrad Books, but nobody watches those, so you know, if
Speaker 2: you want to do podcasts, don't cover literature. Although shout
Speaker 2: Out to Bla has a great channel and he covers.
Speaker 4: Lit base lit analyze, yes or.
Speaker 2: Anybody who are your Do you have fiction go tos
Speaker 2: that you well?
Speaker 4: I mean, he's already got a couple of them on there.
Speaker 4: I really liked.
Speaker 3: Okay, let me give you a wild card that you
Speaker 3: probably haven't heard of that fits nice with these books.
Speaker 3: It's got a little Peag thirteen stuff in it, so
Speaker 3: you know, keep the kids away now. It's called The
Speaker 3: Dream of Perpetual Motion by Dexter Palmer. He's a professor
Speaker 3: from Princeton who wrote like one book and he tells
Speaker 3: you everything he thinks. And it's a really beautiful book
Speaker 3: because it's a it's a re enchantment story.
Speaker 4: It's a world that is.
Speaker 3: It takes place like this's got this kind of Willy
Speaker 3: Wonka character who's taking over the world with robotics and
Speaker 3: inventions and stuff. And there's this wonderful relationship between the
Speaker 3: dad and the son because the dad lived in a
Speaker 3: world before this, and he's always reminding the son. He's like,
Speaker 3: you don't understand when I when I used to walk
Speaker 3: the streets like angels will stand there on the corners,
Speaker 3: and dare you not to believe in them, and now
Speaker 3: you've got these machines and all you can see is machines,
Speaker 3: and all you have is a machine in your mind.
Speaker 3: And so the story really was it was really about
Speaker 3: like this battle going on right now between the human
Speaker 3: soul and let's just say like automation. And so that's
Speaker 3: a good book to read. That's a surprising when not
Speaker 3: many people have heard of So I'll just throw that
Speaker 3: one in the max.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's other more popular books.
Speaker 2: I haven't heard of that though.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Luris, you know what my Kate loves Lauris, which
Speaker 4: is an Orthodox author too.
Speaker 2: Bobby C. You missed my chat earlier the Internet drop.
Speaker 2: What are your suggestions of nonfiction? Okay, yeah we did,
Speaker 2: we did. Sorry. Sweinter is five dollars. What do you
Speaker 2: think about it? Borro's book revisiting a the Debate between
Speaker 2: Catholics and Orthodox. Honestly, Bro, I don't have time to
Speaker 2: read Erica Barr's books. I have not kept up with
Speaker 2: with Eric you borrow all right, now, let's move to chats.
Speaker 2: We got a lot of people in the chat here. JRB.
Speaker 2: What's what's on your mind? GERB? What's on your mind?
Speaker 2: J RB? GERB.
Speaker 4: They took the gerbs.
Speaker 2: What's up? Coaches?
Speaker 3: What?
Speaker 2: Jerror? What's up?
Speaker 4: How come you don't dance no more? Coach z? Come on?
Speaker 2: Are you there? Okay? Nick On? What's up? Nikon? I'm mute? Yo?
Speaker 2: Can you hear me? Sir? What's on your mine?
Speaker 3: Yo?
Speaker 9: So I wanted to say, Jay, you know, if you
Speaker 9: go back into stand up comedy, can I assume you're
Speaker 9: going to?
Speaker 5: Man?
Speaker 4: I think you should really go for the solo.
Speaker 9: You know, the Mexican accent thing that you do.
Speaker 2: Man, it's so funny. What if I just went as
Speaker 2: as if I was Alo and I just went to
Speaker 2: like Mexican stand up clubs? Is know what you mean?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 2: Well, you should definitely you should definitely do that. I
Speaker 2: wanted to say, you should definitely do that.
Speaker 9: I want to give you Alo pass because I'm half Mexican,
Speaker 9: so you got to pass from me. I did want
Speaker 9: to comment on whoever has the best you know, black
Speaker 9: man uh impersonation?
Speaker 2: That would actually be Sam. I have you seen his
Speaker 2: stand up? I have, yes, of course. I mean, so
Speaker 2: you could do like the Mexican version. Okay, So I
Speaker 2: have to be the clo because Sam wins the Okay,
Speaker 2: I'll take care. I'll be there. No, I mean I
Speaker 2: like it. I like where I like where you're going.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of there's a lot of solo in me.
Speaker 2: The only thing is, like I've already racked up twenty
Speaker 2: five in word passes. I've only gotten one solo pass.
Speaker 2: So I feel like I'm way behind. Uh gerb are
Speaker 2: you there? I'm you jerup? They don't the gerbs? Are
Speaker 2: you there?
Speaker 8: Ladies?
Speaker 3: One?
Speaker 2: Well, you don't have that just because just well I'm
Speaker 2: not gonna say who, but just because you have relatives
Speaker 2: that are tolos. I mean you can just hand them
Speaker 2: out like candy. What are you thinking, John? Is that what?
Speaker 2: So you think you just get to hand him out
Speaker 2: like it's just free, free candy.
Speaker 4: I have one, I have one.
Speaker 2: Okay, thank you. So that's two cholo passes. Maddock, what's up?
Speaker 2: By the way, you heard, we have the black dude
Speaker 2: in here saying that I have the best Kat Williams
Speaker 2: that he's ever heard, even amongst black people. So maybe
Speaker 2: Sam Hide does a thug better, but can you actually
Speaker 2: say that a black dude can't judge a black dude's voice?
Speaker 2: Akakat Williams better?
Speaker 3: I think doing a specific person's voice is more impressive
Speaker 3: than doing general group's voice, because how do you test
Speaker 3: it against a general group?
Speaker 4: So if you can do a good.
Speaker 3: Cat Williams, sam Hide needs to pick a specific person
Speaker 3: to impersonate and then let's see, let's let's do the test.
Speaker 2: I think that white dude on Instagram is the best
Speaker 2: wigger though for sure. Oh he's leaving now, said the
Speaker 2: W word. All right, he's going to be canceled. Zaye,
Speaker 2: what's up?
Speaker 4: I get canceled all the time. I'm used to it.
Speaker 2: Zaine says, have you looked at useful charts? They are
Speaker 2: a Christian denomination family Tree. No, I don't know about that,
Speaker 2: but I'm guessing that it's like this show that's split
Speaker 2: between East and West and then Protestants and all that.
Speaker 2: But I'm not familiar with that. Anon, what's up? Man?
Speaker 2: We had h Brosey and are saying it's the best
Speaker 2: cat Williams. Anon, what's up? Unmute dog?
Speaker 8: All right, I'm probably gonna get roasted by y'all, but yeah, yeah,
Speaker 8: but hey, I'm good for a conversation. Okay, So I'm
Speaker 8: a Southern Baptist and uh I support the Israel state.
Speaker 8: I'm happy black, So y'all, y'all let me have it.
Speaker 2: Y'all as question, are you joking? You serious?
Speaker 8: No, I'm actually serious, man. Y'all can kick me off
Speaker 8: you want to. I'm just curious. I was trying to
Speaker 8: learn from y'all.
Speaker 4: Like, well, what are your reasons for supporting Israel? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you think Israel is that you should
Speaker 3: support it above something else?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah. So if we're gonna talk, like so, I
Speaker 8: think that in the world, like I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't believe in isolationism.
Speaker 8: I think that we have to go around the world
Speaker 8: and project our strength to because listen, like we don't
Speaker 8: grow everything in America. There are important minerals, important national
Speaker 8: resources that we need to open up.
Speaker 2: Okay, what minerals and resources are in Israel? You know
Speaker 2: there's not really any oil there.
Speaker 8: Right, Yeah, no, no, And I exactly know that. But
Speaker 8: what I'm saying with this, though, is that it's an outpost,
Speaker 8: Like I don't see them as like as something like
Speaker 8: we're like, like, I'm not saying I religiously see him
Speaker 8: like that, but I do you see him as an
Speaker 8: outpost in the Middle East?
Speaker 2: And did you see there. You sure the interactions between
Speaker 2: Epstein and Ehood Barock, the emails.
Speaker 8: Yeah, So my thing with with Epstein is I think
Speaker 8: that's a I don't think that it's as big as
Speaker 8: people are trying to say it is. Whenever we had
Speaker 8: five hundred thousand children traffic across our fucking border last year.
Speaker 2: It's not about the numbers. That's a deflection. He was
Speaker 2: targeting high profile individuals, power movers and shakers in America.
Speaker 2: That's the point, not the numbers. So what do you
Speaker 2: mean that's not why would why would our ally have
Speaker 2: to target and compromise some of the most powerful people
Speaker 2: in our country?
Speaker 8: Yeah, but like so they also say that he's They
Speaker 8: also say that Epstein's like with Trump, they say with everything.
Speaker 8: So it's like Epstein's like I'm talking about.
Speaker 2: These are actual emails showing that he was coordinating with
Speaker 2: Ehod Barack and other Israeli spies on how to compromise
Speaker 2: high powerful individuals, including people like Peter Thiel. So don't
Speaker 2: deflect away from that. Tell me why that's good, that's
Speaker 2: our ally? Why is there ally having to compromise powerful
Speaker 2: people in America? Yeah?
Speaker 8: So again I'm gonna I'm going to point on to
Speaker 8: this is that I think that Epstein's very low level
Speaker 8: whenever we're talking about actual what's going on, and like, listen, okay,
Speaker 8: I'll say this. It's like, okay, do you have me
Speaker 8: on that? I disagree with you on that.
Speaker 2: Have you read a book on the topic. Have you
Speaker 2: read Whitney Webb's book, any any book on this topic.
Speaker 8: On on the Epstein topic?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 8: No, because again and for all the survivors, thank god
Speaker 8: that they're survivors. But I just like, I'm focused on
Speaker 8: what's going on right now.
Speaker 2: Okay, well that's what that was going on right now,
Speaker 2: because that was all the way up until the twenty tens.
Speaker 2: Have you read anything like Victor of Strowsky's book By
Speaker 2: Way of Deception, Gordon Thomas's Gideon Spies, any of those texts.
Speaker 8: Do we want to talk about it?
Speaker 2: There we go? No, I mean, like, can we have yeah? Right, no,
Speaker 2: we'll see that's active stuff because that's where we are now,
Speaker 2: that's how we got to where we are. But I'm
Speaker 2: gonna move on. Thank you for your call. Why don't
Speaker 2: you call back in when we're doing like a Middle
Speaker 2: Eastern discussion and then we'll focus on that, but I
Speaker 2: don't want Neil to get wrapped into, you know, something
Speaker 2: that he's.
Speaker 3: I don't have an opinion on everything.
Speaker 2: Yes you may, John, only if it agrees with me,
Speaker 2: though that's up.
Speaker 5: I will say, that's one of the first people I've
Speaker 5: ever heard admit that it's just an outpost in the
Speaker 5: Middle East. So at least he understands that aspect of
Speaker 5: it that you know, most most people associating it with
Speaker 5: Christian Zionism or you know, dispensationalism, they won't actually admit
Speaker 5: that it's, you know, a military industrial complex outpost in
Speaker 5: the Middle East. They'll just defer to it being some
Speaker 5: sort of holy land. But actually recognizing that there's a
Speaker 5: utilitarian concept i e. Military industrial complex.
Speaker 2: Then yeah, absolutely, And also too, you'll find that when
Speaker 2: you really get into the weeds of this, and I'm
Speaker 2: not saying that to just be a smart ass, it's
Speaker 2: like that they've not actually read what Israeli strategy is.
Speaker 2: They haven't read the spy books, they haven't read the
Speaker 2: you know, Middle Eastern geopolitical text. Not because of being
Speaker 2: a know it all, but because that's the context that
Speaker 2: you need to understand what's happening and why it's happening
Speaker 2: right This is not just you know, well God's chosen
Speaker 2: people's apple love God's eyes. It is it's more than that.
Speaker 2: It's a lot deeper than that. And also the only
Speaker 2: reason people think that is because they don't understand the
Speaker 2: churches Israel. It's not the atheist socialist nation state that
Speaker 2: was set up on the basis of actually utopian socialist ideology.
Speaker 2: So that's a huge issue, and people wanted to flect
Speaker 2: into well, it's not about what happened in the last century,
Speaker 2: it's what's happening right now. What's how would you get
Speaker 2: to where we are right now with you know, when
Speaker 2: that Netanyahu comes in, all of the you know, American
Speaker 2: elected leaders like stand up and cheer him and you know,
Speaker 2: basically grovel to him when he shows up, like he's
Speaker 2: like a king or something. They don't even treat like
Speaker 2: if a dignitary like King Charles came, who's just as bad, like,
Speaker 2: they don't treat him with that sort of like you know,
Speaker 2: adulation and worship groweling before him. So no, this is
Speaker 2: just kind of like I'm not trying to mean to
Speaker 2: that dude, but like I want you to call back
Speaker 2: in when we have like a Middle Eastern sort of
Speaker 2: topic that's more specific, we can go. I know it
Speaker 2: says geopolitics in the chat, but we've already been going
Speaker 2: for almost four hours, and Neil will have to probably
Speaker 2: check out here in a little bit because I asked
Speaker 2: for one hour of his time and I don't want
Speaker 2: to We don't want to destroy.
Speaker 3: I got whatever you need. You want to destroy a
Speaker 3: reputation talking about Israel. Well, you know, so this is
Speaker 3: kind of an interesting thing. But like coming into the
Speaker 3: Orthodox Church, what's nice about the Orthodox Church is it's
Speaker 3: not a pop up church. It's not something that came
Speaker 3: around ten years ago. It's not something that is drenched
Speaker 3: in the World War two narrative. And so what you
Speaker 3: realize is when you come into Orthodoxy, is it you
Speaker 3: become so used to people in the world just getting
Speaker 3: out of the way of Israel and being so afraid
Speaker 3: to say anything about it, which, if you really think
Speaker 3: about it, it's another let's just wipe out like any names.
Speaker 3: Let's say think country A, country B, country C, country D.
Speaker 3: Why would you give country B? Like why does country
Speaker 3: be no matter what it does? Like not criticizable, So
Speaker 3: that's one of the things the Orthodox Church was free around.
Speaker 3: But you get so used to hearing people just back
Speaker 3: away from that, like because it gets conflated with criticizing
Speaker 3: a Jewish person, and now you're the bad World War
Speaker 3: two guy. So I think that what people can do
Speaker 3: is just kind of sit back and just evaluate things,
Speaker 3: and forget the name of the country you're evaluating.
Speaker 4: Just pay attention to who's in.
Speaker 3: Charge, what is like in the now, like on their resume,
Speaker 3: what have they done in the past, what are they like,
Speaker 3: what do they believe, what's their worldview. You start to
Speaker 3: get into this, you realize that Israel like it even
Speaker 3: if it carries the same name in the same sound,
Speaker 3: there's no way, there's no way it's anything like the
Speaker 3: Israel from the Old Testament. Yeah, it's in the same
Speaker 3: geographical place. So the idea that the idea that we're
Speaker 3: supposed to just sit there and give them a pass
Speaker 3: on everything doesn't make any sense. Like you credit the
Speaker 3: good when you see good, you call it the bad
Speaker 3: when you see bad. If you're going to have an
Speaker 3: opinion on these things, I don't have much of opinion
Speaker 3: on these things.
Speaker 4: But I asked a monk once.
Speaker 3: I said, hey, how do I think about this? And
Speaker 3: he had give you this perfect monk wrong answer. He says,
Speaker 3: wrong is wrong. No matter who does it, it's wrong.
Speaker 3: So if it's wrong, it's wrong, doesn't matter. So I
Speaker 3: was like, oh, that's a way simpler way of thinking
Speaker 3: of it and getting entangled from all of these films
Speaker 3: and all of this stuff that has told me that
Speaker 3: here's the good guy, here's the bad guy, you know.
Speaker 3: And so that was actually a relief coming to the
Speaker 3: Orthodox Church because I could again, like just we were
Speaker 3: talking about earlier, like hey, there's certain things you can't
Speaker 3: talk about in the world. This is one of the
Speaker 3: things that's coming back. The World War two narrative is dying. Sadly,
Speaker 3: it's dying for some people because COVID. Now they have
Speaker 3: the COVID narrative in their head and they're you know,
Speaker 3: they can't remember the mindset of people more than five
Speaker 3: years ago. But besides that, I mean, where you can
Speaker 3: see online everywhere, everybody's starting to wake up to this,
Speaker 3: and so I think, just keep talking about it and
Speaker 3: figure it out.
Speaker 2: Sounds like you need to be put in a re
Speaker 2: education camp and stropped down and shown Schindler's List twenty
Speaker 2: five times in a row, and then maybe you'll be
Speaker 2: straightened out. Hugh Fox, what's up? Father Dickins always coming
Speaker 2: up with these like elaborate sort of MK E L
Speaker 2: dress style techniques, and so I think we get work together.
Speaker 3: I have a typological case for why doing with the
Speaker 3: passing of the waters? Why it's obvious that Israel ends
Speaker 3: with the beheading of John the Baptist and the ascension
Speaker 3: of Christ. So I could get into that, but that
Speaker 3: takes about five minutes to explain.
Speaker 4: We won't do it.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 2: Let's you to come back and we'll we'll get into it. Like, well,
Speaker 2: you're I think that's interesting. I didn't know that. I knew.
Speaker 2: I knew that you and and Pagio were buds, but
Speaker 2: I didn't know you were like as into you know,
Speaker 2: typology and symbolism. Yeah, yeah, you knew who James Jordan was.
Speaker 3: So that's it's cute because Jonathan when he introduced me
Speaker 3: to people, he introduced me as a symbolism guy, which
Speaker 3: is kind of funny. Yeah, he did that to Jordan Peterson.
Speaker 3: I got his attention right away. It's kind of nice things.
Speaker 3: He's probably being too generous. But anyway, I was going
Speaker 3: to make a.
Speaker 6: Joke and be like, well, I could explain exactly when
Speaker 6: this happened, but it's going to take a ten hour.
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Speaker 2: I mean I haven't done that, but I've seen a
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Speaker 2: I've always been exceptionally skeptical of spirituality and religion, but
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Speaker 2: small part, thank you glad to hear that Saturday Night special.
Speaker 2: Hopefully you have a good experience, because sometimes, just to
Speaker 2: be fair, not everybody's initial orthodox experience is good. Sometimes
Speaker 2: they're bad. My initial experience is pretty bad. But stick
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Speaker 2: Niggobe's five dollars. From my experience, my personal experience living
Speaker 2: there and viewing Japanese media, this society has a lot
Speaker 2: of syncretism or perennialism. I forget the distinction. Probably probably.
Speaker 2: I mean we have Japanese people at our church, and
Speaker 2: she has explained Japan in that way, so I would
Speaker 2: imagine you're right there. Who is like god? Thirty five czars?
Speaker 2: Could you bring me up on the Xpace? I gotta
Speaker 2: go to bed. I'm sorry I missed your man, didn't
Speaker 2: see you. You're a super chat in time to bring
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Speaker 2: unique music. I have to say, like, heyman, I'm not
Speaker 2: a professional music critic, but you are a singer, but
Speaker 2: I am a cringe course singer, and I don't I mean,
Speaker 2: there's obviously many influences. What are some of the influencers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, So we started out probably bands like Elo
Speaker 3: and Queen and Pink Floyd from the seventies. I was
Speaker 3: a big Beatles influence as far as their melodic content.
Speaker 3: But we loved Concept Records. So you know, one of
Speaker 3: the things, like, so how I became friends with Pagot
Speaker 3: is that in twenty nineteen we wrote we write a
Speaker 3: story for our records, and we write songs that kind
Speaker 3: of tell the story or highlight parts of the story.
Speaker 4: And so the story I.
Speaker 3: Came up with was a future world, in your future world,
Speaker 3: where the globalists shut down the world through a series
Speaker 3: of pandemics and then use those pandemics to institute an
Speaker 3: authoritarian system of control and also release a moral therapeutic
Speaker 3: AI there to coddle everybody through the process. And so
Speaker 3: when twenty twenty came around, it worked out really good
Speaker 3: for us because it looked like we could see around
Speaker 3: corners or something like that. And I'm not trying to
Speaker 3: see around corners writing, you know, writing a song. So
Speaker 3: if you like concept records or like, there's a lot
Speaker 3: more to sink your teeth in so you can go
Speaker 3: in and pick off songs. But we do really do
Speaker 3: well as far as people listening to our whole record.
Speaker 3: We had a great month with two older songs recently
Speaker 3: have kind of taken off, so they got a couple
Speaker 3: of million streams alone.
Speaker 4: Last month though.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's kind of cooking right now and we
Speaker 3: haven't released anything new in seven months now. Next year
Speaker 3: we're working with Justin Marler on a concept record around
Speaker 3: the Youth of the Apocalypse. Youth of the Apocalypse, there's
Speaker 3: no the direct article in front of it, so we're
Speaker 3: talking about doing that and doing a live record. So
Speaker 3: it's going to hit a little harder than our last
Speaker 3: couple of records.
Speaker 4: Though, So anyway, that's what we do.
Speaker 3: So yeah, if you can follow us and subscribe to us,
Speaker 3: we get like the problem is I talk online and
Speaker 3: so a big part of our audience is like theater.
Speaker 4: Kids and stuff like that, and you know.
Speaker 3: These are people that are under like a heavy political
Speaker 3: oppression where people can't even you know, detach from their narrative,
Speaker 3: even in the smallest fashion, without being out of swords
Speaker 3: for them.
Speaker 4: So we get a lot of flak for that.
Speaker 3: I get on and talk about my faith and I
Speaker 3: just don't want to shut up about it. But one
Speaker 3: of the things that can help is, like, you know,
Speaker 3: people who are like minded with us to kind of
Speaker 3: follow us, support us, because then we're uncancellable.
Speaker 4: Right, So, any subscribes, I'm watching the numbers going up
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