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Speaker 1: Objective logic and reason side in an overabundance of woke

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philosophy that is irrational, is made up day by day

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as people are like I think we should bring racism back,

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and then here's a justification, and then it gets woke

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afied and spread out, and then all of a sudden

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you have a bunch of communist socialist ideas where you

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become the property in action. You need to be able

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to stand on your own ground. It helps to have

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a foundation in philosophy because it's a method to fine

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truth when you get down to it. Philosophy is there

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because you love truth enough to go and learn how

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to find it, because it's valuable. So if you're interested

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in things like that. There is the landing page. We'll

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link it up in the notes. It is a longer once,

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so we'll get a shorter URL for this. I'm sure

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Jay has a link on his page. I just wanted

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to show it off. Now you know what exists, you

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can go look for it and see why this is

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not your father's philosophy.

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Speaker 2: Right, So well done.

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Speaker 1: I'm proud of everyone who helped to produce and edit

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the course, and of course Jay did a flawless job

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in presenting the course over those twelve weeks, and he's

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a juggernaut. He's another guy just like John Bush, in

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action all the time, doing something productive, like very little

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wasted time in his week, those one hundred and sixty

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eight hours of being harnessed very well. I want to

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show off something that we're all proud of. I've got

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a browser here. This is Jay Dyers, much vaunted, much

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sought after philosophy one oh one. Now he just got

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this page up. We are just testing it out. You

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guys are some of the first people in the world

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to see it. I want to say, for my part,

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it's not philosophy want oh one.

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Speaker 2: I think this is as mistitling.

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Speaker 1: I really think is as like philosophy unleashed because a

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philosophy want on one course, they give you kind of

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some useless information that you can't make sense of. Jay

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actually lays out, over twelve weeks, dozens and dozens of

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hours put into just the presentation of this let alone

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the hundreds and thousands of hours of research that it

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takes to have a coherent evolution and history of the

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origins of philosophy, the uses of philosophy, the different ways

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to look at it over time and how that has

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been brought about to what we have today, which is

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almost an absence of philosophy on the objective, logic and

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reason side, in an overabundance of woke philosophy that is

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irrational is made up day by day as people are

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like I think we should bring racism back, and then

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here's the justification, and then it gets wokeified and spread out,

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and then all of a sudden you have a bunch

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of communist socialist ideas where you become the property in action.

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You need to be able to stand on your own ground.

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It helps to have a foundation in philosophy because it's

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a method to fine truth when you get down to it.

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Philosophy is there because you love truth enough to go

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and learn how to find it, because it's valuable. So

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if you're interested in things like that. There is the

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landing page. We'll link it up in the notes. It

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is a longer once, so we'll get a shorter URL

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for this. I'm sure Jay has a link on his page.

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I just wanted to show it off. Now you know

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what exists, you can go look for it and see

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why this is not your father's philosophy. Right, I want

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to show off something that we're all proud of. I've

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got a browser here.

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Speaker 2: Welcome everybody. You may not recognize this man, but you

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may only an edva like myself could pull in other

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celebrity e divas, ladies and gentlemen. Neil from dirt Port Robins.

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Welcome Neil.

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Speaker 3: Well, so good to be here. I watch it so

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many times in the stream. I just want to touch this.

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Speaker 4: Yes, I'm actually here now. Yeah. Cool.

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Speaker 2: So it's uh, you know, it's kind of a relicive.

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What's that?

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Speaker 3: I was?

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Speaker 5: Right?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: No, Hey, I feel like did I maybe hint at

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this via text when we were chatting earlier?

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Speaker 2: Oh I did?

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and I spoke to the Lord, and the Lord told

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me that Neil's coming.

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Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, okay, okay. I call that the librarium.

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Speaker 3: I tell my wife when I like want her to

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do something for me, that I found it in my librarium,

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which is like a secret spot. I have access to

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true information that I can't know otherwise. So yeah, it's

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a similar thing. You could say news. I say librarium,

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mind palace, mind palace, mind palace, Mine, Cathedral.

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Speaker 2: So, guys, we have with us the excellent musician and

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as I said, also excellent Orthodox thinker. In fact, I

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listened to the Jason Myron Chuck podcast the other day

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and Jim Bob and Jim Jatras and Neil and John

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was a great discussion, and I was really impressed with

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Neil's answers to a lot of the topics and questions

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that came. So Neil is with us today, and if

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you have questions or concerns or issues, we're both going

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to be answering or Orthodox questions or other types of

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questions as well. Whatever Neil feels comfortable discussing, he may

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not be comfortable discussing.

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Speaker 3: I'll discuss anything today, Jay for you. I'm already on

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your channel, and so you discuss everything.

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Speaker 4: I'll just roll with you.

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Speaker 2: Well we had it.

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Speaker 4: We might play good cop, bad cop or something like that.

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Speaker 2: That's a good way to do it. Because Neil once

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thought I was mean, and then we went to dinner

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and he came away and decided I'm not.

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Speaker 3: Actually I figured it out before, so I was I

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didn't think you were mean. I was told you were

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mean by many people, And then I watched your show

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and I was like, this is kind of awesome. I

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think they're wrong, but I also kind of like there's

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a lot of utility in mean right now.

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Speaker 4: We can get into that later maybe because that's.

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Speaker 2: Actually a good question though, before we get off, I'm

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gonna ask you that question first. So why would you

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say there's some utility in being mean at this juncture?

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towing and just sort of having that.

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Speaker 4: Yes, always couch shit.

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Speaker 2: Shouldn't we always just be mats that are walked on?

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Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, didn't that get us in this mess

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we're in?

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Speaker 3: So I mean, so there's all these agreeable people out

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in the world, And then I think in Western Christianity

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there's there's a lot more pressure to be nice because

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of your witness.

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Speaker 4: In other words, you.

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Speaker 3: Are saved, and now the thing you do is you

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show your witness, So you clean up your act, you

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stop smoking, you stop swearing, you stop those kind of things.

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Speaker 4: Well, also, if people don't like to hurt people's feelings.

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in a world where we're pickling in this pickle jar

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that is of you know, political correctness. And so what's

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happened is me, I'm not necessarily the most upfront, aggressive

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style of person. I'd rather take a you know, a

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more persuasive road instead of going at something directly because

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it's important to me, like the person knows I love them,

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but at the same time, like nice and love are

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not equal, helpful and love can be equal. So what

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but people like you were more than I was in

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the sense that we got back. By twenty sixteen twenty seventeen,

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we were backed into such a corner we couldn't talk

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about anything anymore.

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Speaker 4: Like it just the.

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Speaker 3: Most common sense, scientific realities were unsayable because it hurt

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someone's feelings. Now I get where these people are coming from,

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and I get why this was happening, But you know,

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to the average person on the street, they thought they

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were trying to find their purpose and trying to find

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Speaker 4: To the politicians, they're just trying to get votes.

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Speaker 3: And so I was always really concerned because you know,

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people are being manipulated and their desires are being manipulated,

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and their narratives being manipulated for the purpose of getting

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them to vote a certain way. So what had happened

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is they had pushed the things we needed to talk

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about behind a paywall of offense. And I'm not the

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guy to do it. I'm not going to go out

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there and just offend everyone and create rooms. So what

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I noticed is that people were complaining about you and

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some work that other people were doing. Won't even bring

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them up right now, and that was the problem. It

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wasn't the problem wasn't what they were talking about. It

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wasn't what they were saying, It was how they were

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the thing I realized when I was watching, I was like, oh, man, like,

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actually creating space for the nice people who are complaining

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Speaker 4: You're creating a beachhead.

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Speaker 3: Where people are going to come along who are like, oh, like,

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they're going to get to do it. You know, they're

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going to get to do it. But because other people

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel that way with how could I put

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it the way that certain comedians in the last five

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and the comedians took a lot of hits, a lot

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of flak for doing that, but I think in the

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you ever go one Lee Peers some podcast or fall

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in the state only if he had missed a women

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and the Geisha Hill.

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Speaker 4: There's even understand what you just said? What was that?

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is it's actually it's a description of like what the

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life women would want the least.

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Speaker 4: Okay, so you got to listen to it.

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Speaker 3: You can go find that song. It's not really like

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Speaker 4: Place in the musical.

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Speaker 3: But the funny thing about that is that Jordan Peterson,

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like his name sounds like Jordan, that was like his

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favorite song by yeah. Yeah, So he had his come

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and play this song live. But we had to kind

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of explained it beforehand because we were writing musicals and stories.

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Speaker 4: But he liked all the villain songs apparently, so oh yeah, well.

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Speaker 2: There we go, there we go. Yeah. So Jesse Lee Peterson,

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and hilarious black guy commentator that he's definitely an oddball.

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up church that I don't care for. He did have

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three oh four type figures that he calls out those

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but I mean maybe if I started an only fans

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he would because then you can get on there pretty

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easily for you. But James caton three dollars, why do

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bishops a few bishops rebuke those that want to join

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the early eighties statement against Ecumenism, so it is part

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of our sort of officialists ish statement. There's a lot

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of pressure amongst other jurisdictions to go along with this,

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so it's a very nuanced, challenging question. And also probably

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they want to that. I think that Orthodox bishops, I'm guessing,

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view that as kind of the last resort to public

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rebuke stuff. But we will probably get to that. Feel

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free to jump in on any comment that you want

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to jump.

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Speaker 4: In on humanism sucks.

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Speaker 2: You know, water malonious seven dollars. You didn't do nothing,

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but you invited on. You should invite on Brother Nathaniel

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and quash the beef. He is misguided, but he's good faith. Well, honestly,

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I just don't think it's worth having that conversation because

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I never talked about him or had any interaction and

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he just decided to kind of go after me for

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no reason. So and again I think that if you're

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an Orthodox quote monastic for twenty years, but you don't

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know what theosis is to me, that calls everything to

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question Orthodox streamer ten dollars. About the Holy Fire, there's

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a journalist's named Demetrius Ali Kakos, and there's an archbishop Isidorus,

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and they said the Holy Fire is not a miracle

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that they all create it. I've seen these videos from

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me years. I've never been to the event. But I

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also don't make a huge apologetic argument on the basis

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of the Holy Fire. So I've left that up in

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the air. Father Deacon, do you have any comments on that?

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What would you say to somebody who said, oh, this

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has been deblooked by a Greek journalist. I would like

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to see it. Well, the video, he says, Go watch

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the video. It's on YouTube. It's called light I light

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the Holy Fire. So apparently they've found the guy who

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does it. I supposedly.

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Speaker 4: Nice about time they found him.

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so I mean it's a I doubt I doubt they have.

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so I mean you'd have to go through each one

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of those and throughout the entire history of so like

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Speaker 2: You also think that this is a mistake that people

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do where they make the argument about this or that miracle,

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and if you can debunk that miracle then or prove

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it to be the case supposedly, oh well, then that

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proves the religion.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: We hear this from a Roman Catholics all the time,

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all the miracles of the saints. This proves the Romancalolic position.

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And then when we find the same types of claims

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amongst the Coptics, like zy Tune in Egypt where Mary

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appears supposedly, oh well that doesn't count. That doesn't prove

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Coptic stuff, because well it's only the Roman Catholic apparitions

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that count, so the goalposts end up moving. And that's

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why I don't really ever make that kind of stuff

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the definitive proof. I think there will be miracles that

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accompany the true faith, but they can't be kind of

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the thing that you pivot on to prove or disprove it.

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Great question, though, Let's see William Santos five dollars a day?

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Do you think I can ask it? By the way,

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we're gonna ask you questions. I apologize, We're not trying.

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Speaker 4: To just no, I'm hanging out. This is great.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna start asking you questions.

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Speaker 4: This is the closest seat I ever had for your stream.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna grill you in a moment. Okay, William Santos,

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Can I ask questions about our realism on discord? That's

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probably a safer route for that topic. We can't really

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do that on YouTube, it won't work. What about IQ

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and behavior and yeah, we'll get into that on discord.

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We can't really do that here. As you guys know,

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things are still very limited. Elijah Safer went on Jimmy

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Dore or you saw him on there, and he's wearing

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Orthodox cross. I assume he's becoming Orthodox, Well, I don't

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know that he is, but he's definitely ask a lot

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of questions to me, a lot of Orthodox priests he's

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talked to, so he's definitely interested. Probably counts as an inquirer.

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I don't think he's become a Catechuman, but definitely pray

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for Elijah Shaffer. We'd like to see him become Orthodox.

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Kyle is Canada cooked. I mean people ask me the

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same thing about the UK, like what do we do

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about the UK? What do we do? I don't know,

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I don't know what to do. What do you think?

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What do we do well?

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Speaker 4: If Canada?

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Speaker 3: Like if you start smelling a fresh pine scent in

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the air, that's probably Canada is cooked. And I've noticed that.

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So I talked about this with Jonathan Pajel over the

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weekend because this is this is where he lives, and

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I'm always trying to get him out. I'm like, man,

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we've got this special talents visa and green card and

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citizenship path. It's pretty easy to do. It takes about

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three or four years. He would totally qualify for it.

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It's just a matter. I mean, if I was there.

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So I've been in the same kind of position before

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in my life, like even during COVID, my state lockdown

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so hard and we're nomads.

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Speaker 4: In other words, I make all my music with my band.

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I can live anywhere. We just sold our houses and

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moved to Florida. That was like the solution for it.

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Speaker 3: So I think that people it depends, Like I mean,

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I don't know where God wants people, you know, whatever

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Speaker 4: Who knows.

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Speaker 3: You can imagine that there's going to be some countries

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that that people are going to be left in that

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are too bad for you know, some godly mission. But

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outside of that, I mean, vote with your feet. Go

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where you're going to be treated well if you can

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afford to. So if you're in Canada, like you can

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get here, I would get here.

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Speaker 2: That's actually a really good idea. I mean I know

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some people I won't say their names, but they also

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left their babyan socialist country to come to the US

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as well. Ortho Anglo Crow at twenty five dollars. Here's

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a book recommendation, The Master and Emissary Divided Brain in

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the Making of the Western World by Ian McGilchrist. It

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compliments a lot of what Father again and I springs

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up about left brain traps and ties in with Pageo's work.

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It's a recommended audio book. The first half is a

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very heavy lift.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, for sure. Have you read it?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 3: Okay, So I talked to I talked to Ian mcgilchris

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in London in February.

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Speaker 4: Ok So we were it was kind of a cool event.

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Speaker 3: We my wife Kate and I were durpoor Robbins the

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band have I said that yet we're in the background.

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Speaker 2: I've got you up.

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Speaker 4: I love it. I love it.

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Speaker 3: So anyway, it was nice because there were some members

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from the Bulgar and Sip the orchestra, and we arranged

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one of our songs for them to play. So we

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played with the orchestra. But afterwards that one of the

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people I was most excited to talk to was hanging

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out in the green room was Ian McGilchrist. And so

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what I brought up with the Ian mcgilchris because I

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read the Master and his Emissary right at the same

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time I was becoming Orthodox, and I noticed this complete

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harmony with the way he was talking about the mapping

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of the brain, like the way these hemispheres interact, including

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the frontal lobe and the backlobe with the architecture of

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an Orthodox church. So if you look at the symbolism,

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like you can watch we can bring up Pageaux again

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he did in a thing. So if you watch one

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of his church tours and he talks about like what's

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the symbolic east. So in like Orthodoxy, the east is

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your head, it's what comes off the pillow in the

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morning is what rises. The south is your left hand,

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the north is your right hand, and your feet are

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the west. This is how the churches are laid out.

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This is pretty obvious, Like the church is shaped like

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a cross and you're laying on your back looking up. Well,

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we talked about the interplay that he was really going

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over between the left and the right hemisphere and Orthodox iconography.

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The way it's laid out is identical the reasons things

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are laid out. So it's like it was actually loved

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this idea. He loves Orthodoxy too, but he what I

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was saying is that you guys are finally picking up

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to what people had intuited with within Orthodoxy about the

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symbolically out of the world and what's been review to

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a scripture that the scientists are actually find catching up

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to realize that even our internal cosmos of our mind

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has the same exact layout of the cosmos above.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so we had a good talk about it. Anyway,

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I should have recorded it.

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Speaker 2: It sounds kind of like, uh, the structure of the

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universe in Plato's timais as well. It's sort of structured

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like a man in the man's head and so forth.

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So that's interesting.

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Speaker 4: I have take your word for that one.

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Speaker 2: I would not lie. I've never lied once.

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Speaker 4: A MONI I haven't caught yet.

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Speaker 2: Do you know what's interesting?

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Speaker 6: That's amazing thought. Actually, so the right brain is supposed

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to be like the whole right, it's the thing.

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Speaker 3: Well no, no that well, yes, yes, the right brain

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because it's but they're flipped, you know what I mean.

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So the right brain is your left hand and your

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left brain is your right hand.

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Speaker 4: Right, Just want to make sure everybody knows that. To

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keep going.

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Speaker 6: What's interesting about the architecture is that so the left

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brain is called piecemeal right, like it's pieces.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't know where to go right m h. It

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needs the master, the master plant.

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Speaker 6: So it's actually the kind of the whole pattern right

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that puts all the pieces in its right part. And

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if you think about the liturgically and in terms of

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the architecture, you have the whole that puts all the

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pieces in its right right spot in the liturgy and

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in the architecture.

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Speaker 2: So that's kind of another cool.

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Speaker 3: No, that's good, that's really good and too so if

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you look at like so in Christianity, the left hand

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and a positive sense, is a symbol of renewal, a

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symbol of recreation, and the right hand has to do

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with more tradition, what's been established, and so one of

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the really interesting things if you look at it, is

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like a clockward motion of like things beginning in the

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mind of God and then moving out into the world

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through the left hand. So one of the things Ian

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talks about in his book is that if you if

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someone's blinded in the darkness, you will protect yourself with

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your right hand and you will feel out into the

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world with your left hand. Everybody does this, and this

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is this is is showing us basically how we move

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out into the world and do things. So the interesting

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part about this is that all of mankind, as you

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moved through this circle, when we passed on to the

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left hand into where the feet are, let's just call that.

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there because none of us were acceptable to be brought

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into the tradition. And it's in Christ. He's the first

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one who led the way to the right hand, and

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this is why it's significant that he's put on the

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right hand of the Father. So the architecture in the

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Orthodox Church is a physical example of a well ordered soul.

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and he was saying that what we see in the

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Orthodox Church is because our senses, our normal senses, are

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too weak to see what the world is really like.

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with them, like, the idea is that this is actually

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an ongoing state of Christ and the world and the

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veil is being lifted for a second where they can

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see it. And so in the Orthodox Church we have

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this laid out in front of us because until until

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we're with God, our sight and our ears and our

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even our sense of smell are going to be too

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weak to know what the world is really shaped like

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and what God's really doing it, and so the Orthodox

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Church is also showing us that I thought that was wild.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of I think both Pago and I have both

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covered this text, and I think this is it. Let

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me make sure this is the right one. Yeah, this

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has got to be it. So there's a small writing

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that Saint Maximus did that ties in well with Saint

478
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Germanis of Constantinople on the architecture of the church and

479
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the symbolism of the church and the building and the liturgy.

480
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And uh, if you want to watch my talk on

481
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this right here, it's called uh. I can't remember the

482
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name of that work, but somebody in the chat will

483
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remember what Maximus's little essay is on the church. But anyway,

484
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there's my talk on that there. And then I did

485
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link for you guys Pagoe's talk one of the talks

486
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with my biggest here. And then there's a full There

487
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is an immediate full and interview here beyond materialism the

488
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matter with things, if you guys want to check that

489
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out that Neil is mentioning. And also this is Neil's

490
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channel here, dirt, poor Robbins, and everybody be sure and

491
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follow him, go check out his music.

492
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Speaker 3: So our last record is our most jdire record, meaning

493
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that you could probably throw up a lot of the

494
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tracks as you're opening music. It's definitely it's got some

495
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eighties it's cringe coin.

496
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Speaker 8: Yeah.

497
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Speaker 3: Matt Dilla Monkey is track three. We did our own

498
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version of it, not AI. We don't use aon our music,

499
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so now it's got more of a synthwave eighties rock vibe.

500
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Speaker 2: It does. In fact, the Babbylon song was very interesting.

501
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Speaker 4: Now that's from Queen of the Knight.

502
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Speaker 2: I know that's older, but I like that one.

503
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's so. We did a movie called Queen

504
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of the Knight in twenty twenty two. It's a silent

505
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film we put our own music to, and that record

506
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has a dramatically different flavor because it's the nineteen twenties,

507
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and so we got this vaudevillian rag.

508
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Speaker 4: Time throw that kind of thing happening.

509
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Speaker 2: This is you here. They're all going wild on the guitar.

510
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Speaker 3: I'm taking it. I'm going easy probably, and that's me

511
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and a parrot. Oh that bird flew away, guys. It

512
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:11,480
was so sad, my African gray it flew away. Yeah,

513
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my daughter took it outside and we in some lady

514
00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:16,480
at the pet shop is like stop clip clipping the wings.

515
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They can't fly really anyway.

516
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Speaker 4: And she took it outside and it away. So if

517
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you want to see us flaying live or something, let

518
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me see, you know what. Click on the hold on,

519
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go back up. This one's hilarious. Click on that one.

520
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Speaker 3: This is us and like two, this is a throwback,

521
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but it is in twenty eleven covering Mary Poppins and.

522
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Speaker 4: It will not play it.

523
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Speaker 3: It doesn't like it. Scroll down, it might just get

524
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you there. Nope, these are random people. If never mind.

525
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Speaker 4: Hey, you guys have the link to our channel. Go

526
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find it yourself.

527
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Speaker 2: If you come over here to shorts and you see

528
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the one here, that one's that one's funny, spoonful sugar here.

529
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and the other one the one you were talking

530
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about earlier. I'm ripping on the guitar whatever that was

531
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at the Symbolic World summit. Jonathan made us come and

532
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play this one.

533
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

534
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Speaker 4: Yeah, But we don't post a lot of shorts.

535
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Speaker 3: I'm like really bad at I don't even know how

536
00:24:04,559 --> 00:24:07,319
our channels growing and stuff because I'm so bad at

537
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like posting content and stuff.

538
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Speaker 4: I just I just want to post the songs and

539
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go back to work.

540
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree the worst yeah sorts, but okay, So

541
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Anonymous Isaiah has differences between the masoretic and the septuo agent.

542
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Her debate with the Muslim products, and they're using the

543
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septuagent and the masoretic blah blah blah for the Angelo

544
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Great Council. How do you refute this? Well, I mean,

545
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the Masoretic text is not the normative text for the

546
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Orthodox churts, because we would agree that the Rabbinic sources

547
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in the first century did begin to alter and change

548
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and excise things. And that's what Aaron AA since he

549
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does to Martyr say. So, it's not that we can't

550
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refer to the Masoretic text when it's useful. The Book

551
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of Matthew does this in some places because sometimes people

552
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are not going to accept the septuo agent. So you're

553
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gonna have to say, okay, well, even in your Masoretic text,

554
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it admits this, this, this, and here. So it's not

555
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really an issue of like you know that one text.

556
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I mean, it's going to be an issue of authority

557
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and why are we supposed to go with the Rabbinic

558
00:25:14,079 --> 00:25:17,440
text anyway? Chris Mysterion, the chat wants to know if

559
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your musical guest is Enya. The answer is yes, this

560
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is actually Enya.

561
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Speaker 3: My wife loves Enya so much still I can't stop her.

562
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It's like when she puts it on and I feel

563
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like I'm dying in a nursing home, Like, oh, I mean,

564
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uh's uh yeah, Well this.

565
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Speaker 4: Explains a lot.

566
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Speaker 2: That's why the chat was making. The joke was that

567
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because I'm this outlier that actually likes likes ay. Now,

568
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there's certain songs I don't like, but some of the

569
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more like pagan chanty, scary songs, I like that.

570
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Speaker 3: All right, I'll throw you guys a free one to

571
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go along with that. If you were into Enya, you'll

572
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really be into a band called Iona and in the nineties,

573
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,039
I oh yeah, yeah. Beyond These Shores is one of

574
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the best records from the nineties. It's about Saint Brendan's voyage.

575
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They were okay, man, look at this.

576
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Speaker 4: Who knew?

577
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Speaker 2: Who knew?

578
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Speaker 4: Someone else knows? Iona? I say this in no one knows,

579
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but does everything.

580
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Speaker 2: I have their double CD live. Yeah, they're great. Okay,

581
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:13,400
so let's see where we at here. I think we

582
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:22,400
did all these, We did all these. The shower Guy Okay,

583
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:24,480
get out of the shower or this gross. Maybe I'm

584
00:26:24,519 --> 00:26:27,200
devouring your content. I used to be a Protestant pastor.

585
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I'm very convinced of Orthodoxy. I want to inquire at

586
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a local World Corps parish. My wife is turned off

587
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by the idea. She doesn't want to leave the church.

588
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It's causing a divide. Do you have any recommendation? This

589
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happens all the time, this question, like at least once

590
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a week, and I think Father Deacon has had really

591
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good advice about this, which is like, just keep going

592
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to the church. Be patient. Eventually she'll want to come,

593
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and if she meets other women and finds community, that's

594
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usually what happens, is that your experience.

595
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Speaker 3: Yeah, now there are like ladies who want to know

596
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the answer to theological questions.

597
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Speaker 4: They're really into some are really into church history.

598
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Speaker 3: But for the most part, when this situation happens, what

599
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it is is that like we have to understand that

600
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like our taste, like the things we prefer, can be

601
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formed against us, meaning that like you've got to imagine,

602
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like the demonic powers in the world are going to

603
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help you gravitate towards things that aren't good for you.

604
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And won't benefit you. And in the back of their

605
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:27,680
mind they know what the Orthodox Church is and a

606
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big part of the way our entire world is laid

607
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out in the West is so that you have an

608
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aversion to that. This is my hot take on it. Anyway,

609
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I can't prove that. I could probably give you some

610
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you know, circumstantial evidence. So what happens is is that

611
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there's a trick that happens in people's mind where they

612
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see these things are uncomfortable with. Like let's say, someone

613
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:49,839
kissing icon, someone doing the side across, someone bowing a priest, investments,

614
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,400
prosessions around the church, all of this stuff feels like

615
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what's going on here? And this is stuff that's been

616
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co opted by cults, as you know, the Church in

617
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the West abandoned these things. So they see it and

618
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they think it's cultist or they think it's idolatry or

619
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something like that. The best way to remove the idea

620
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of idolatry is just to be around the people who

621
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you think are practicing idolatry. So like someone like Gavin

622
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Ortland who's saying like, oh, this is an idolatrous practice

623
00:28:12,599 --> 00:28:15,400
the Orthodox made up. It's an accretion. It's like, okay,

624
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,880
well what does idolatry produce in people? All right, go

625
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watch the people. See if you see that pride and

626
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,599
that kind of action from them. So what I notice

627
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happens all the time. So, like you know, we go

628
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to different conferences, in different events, A lot of times

629
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guys will just bring their wife to a conference with them.

630
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They'll have some chill time talking to other people. Like

631
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these people not only are they like normal, but they're

632
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not performatively fake like you run into that, especially in

633
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certain circles in Protestantism, where it's like I gotta be nice,

634
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I gotta be nice, and it's this kind of ned

635
00:28:41,759 --> 00:28:44,920
Flanders without heart. And then you get around Orthodox people

636
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:46,960
and they enjoy a drink and they'll laugh loud, and

637
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they're you know, and they actually care and they know

638
00:28:49,279 --> 00:28:51,119
how to pray for you. So I don't know, I

639
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think that the best thing to do is just to

640
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:55,799
be around Orthodox people. Christ says they'll know you're Christians

641
00:28:55,799 --> 00:28:57,720
by your love for one another, and I think that's

642
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been evident in almost every Orthodox community I've wont into.

643
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I'm sure there are exceptions, but I think that would

644
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be your best starting.

645
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Speaker 2: Point Zaye ten dollars honor person. By the way, guys,

646
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:11,559
if you missed, I was just on with Sam Tripoli

647
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and we went deep into banking and World War two.

648
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Shout out to Sam tripley honored person. He says, jay

649
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I was becoming first, becoming Russian Orthodox. Theosis is one

650
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of the things I learned first that is super suss

651
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If someone is Orthodox and they don't know this, yeah,

652
00:29:31,119 --> 00:29:34,599
talking about Nathaniel exactly. Let's see we did this, when

653
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we did this. Okay, now I have a question for

654
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Neil and we'll open it up to the Q and

655
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A in the chat. So tell us a little bit

656
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:49,119
about your trajectory because a lot of people don't know,

657
00:29:49,279 --> 00:29:51,359
like you had an evangelical background, right.

658
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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, how'd you get the Orthodoxy from?

659
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Speaker 5: So?

660
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I was raised Catholic, and well we weren't at first.

661
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Speaker 3: So like, how long do you want me to ta

662
00:29:58,119 --> 00:30:01,880
give me a range and I'll change the details. Oh yeah,

663
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so my parents raised me Catholic, but we weren't Catholic

664
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right away.

665
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Speaker 4: I was chrisoned. You know, they throw a little water

666
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on your head.

667
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Speaker 3: But we didn't really go to church, and I think

668
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when we were younger, my parents were starting to that problem.

669
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So my mom would walk over to the Catholic church

670
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in our neighborhood to pray. And I'd never been in

671
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a church, and so I remember going in there and

672
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like seeing this cross, and I thought it was the

673
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strangest thing I'd ever seen. That the reason this building

674
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exists and everybody went there was for that, and that

675
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was so alien to me. So but all at the

676
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same time, I like a good mystery. I liked it,

677
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so it kind of just kept knocking around the back

678
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of my head. So my parents, in efforts to try

679
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to help their marriage, which I think it may have,

680
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actually started making us attend Catholic church again.

681
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Speaker 4: And I went to Catholic school.

682
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Speaker 3: But I mean, it's unfair for me to describe my

683
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experience as a Catholic to other Catholics, because mine was

684
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particularly bad.

685
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Speaker 4: Like it was particularly bad.

686
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Speaker 3: So the catechism at the school was absolute nonsense all

687
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the way up into my early years in high school.

688
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So my first year at this school called Bishop Hendrick

689
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in high school, they had just gone there were a scandal.

690
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Speaker 4: Where the bishop.

691
00:31:01,799 --> 00:31:05,039
Speaker 3: Had been taking out boys and grooming them, and so

692
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reason my parents still sent me to the school, and

693
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so they had a huge it was like it was

694
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like national news level scandal. So that was at the

695
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school and this was like kind of like the top

696
00:31:14,279 --> 00:31:16,759
Catholic high school in the state. But in my religion class,

697
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they were teaching things like what they were calling contextualization

698
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at the time, and it was just basically, here's why

699
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,519
nothing in the Bible actually happened, Here's why the miracles

700
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didn't happen. And even me, I was kind I wasn't

701
00:31:26,799 --> 00:31:29,200
really an atheist at all, but I wasn't into church,

702
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:31,400
and so what was happening to me at the time,

703
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:32,920
I thought that was the dumbest idea. It's like, if

704
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God's all powerful, why can he just interject events into

705
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his own creation.

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Speaker 4: That just didn't make any sense anyway. That was pretty

707
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bad for me.

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Speaker 3: But at the same time, when I started to get

709
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into music, music was a transcendent thing for me, Like

710
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so when I go to shows, there was a feeling

711
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:48,880
you'd get like that, you know, whatever the goosebumps you

712
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get and that in that sense. And then when I

713
00:31:51,119 --> 00:31:53,640
started trying to write music myself, because I came from

714
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,079
an entertainment family. My dad was a radio announcer. My

715
00:31:56,079 --> 00:31:57,880
mom was a jazz singer. Both sides of the family

716
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,000
was loaded with musicians. We were like the von Trapps

717
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:04,000
said Christmas, everybody saying harmony, and so I got kind

718
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:05,720
of raised in this this Carney family.

719
00:32:05,799 --> 00:32:07,279
Speaker 4: So we were always doing music.

720
00:32:07,359 --> 00:32:08,759
Speaker 3: And then when I started to write music, I kept

721
00:32:08,799 --> 00:32:11,480
writing like Christian music and I had no interest in that.

722
00:32:11,519 --> 00:32:13,799
I was literally playing guitar to find girls and stuff

723
00:32:13,839 --> 00:32:16,400
like that, and so I was so frustrated myself because

724
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:20,000
I was having these like positive intrusive thoughts. So after that,

725
00:32:20,119 --> 00:32:22,039
I ended up in one of my uncle's churches. So

726
00:32:22,079 --> 00:32:24,400
he invited us to church because he said, hey, like,

727
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,079
we got this youth group and it's all girls and

728
00:32:26,079 --> 00:32:26,839
we need some guys.

729
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:28,839
Speaker 4: And I was like, yeah, I can do that.

730
00:32:29,359 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 3: And it was a Pentecostal church and it was totally

731
00:32:31,359 --> 00:32:33,160
nuts and it kind of cringed me out, but at

732
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,519
the same time, it was more alive and I started

733
00:32:35,519 --> 00:32:36,960
to get into it, but not as much as the

734
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,160
other people in my band. So my band like went

735
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,359
through a conversion. We went from just being a band

736
00:32:41,839 --> 00:32:44,400
that was like a hair band and in a progressive

737
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,519
band and hair metal yeah, like metal yeah.

738
00:32:47,559 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, so oh you got to like if you see

739
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:50,119
if you go far enough back.

740
00:32:50,359 --> 00:32:53,839
Speaker 2: Michael Bolton who went hair metal to like mom.

741
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,039
Speaker 4: Core, Yeah exactly. Well Torriamos did this too, well. I

742
00:32:56,039 --> 00:32:57,160
didn't mom core.

743
00:32:57,359 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 2: I'm just joking.

744
00:32:58,079 --> 00:33:00,839
Speaker 4: But so my experience of the Protestant church on a

745
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:02,039
short run is like.

746
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 3: It was cringey. I mean, I don't know how to

747
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:07,440
say it. All along I thought there was something wrong

748
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:09,640
with me. I was like, why do I keep finding

749
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:13,680
problems with everything? Why I want to help with the music, right,

750
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:15,680
I want to help at this church do worship music

751
00:33:15,759 --> 00:33:19,519
or whatever a musician, But it was like I had nothing.

752
00:33:19,519 --> 00:33:21,640
I wanted nothing to do with the sounds we were making.

753
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:23,480
You know, I didn't know why this was the music

754
00:33:23,519 --> 00:33:24,200
we had chosen.

755
00:33:24,559 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 2: And was this like standard sort of evangelical praise and

756
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:28,279
worship touchdown?

757
00:33:28,359 --> 00:33:31,079
Speaker 4: Yeah exactly. And you know, but with electric guitar at church,

758
00:33:31,119 --> 00:33:31,960
you're on the stage.

759
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 3: And I remember the best thing was I finally convinced

760
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:36,960
the pastor that I could do a guitar solo at church.

761
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,200
And I was like about sixteen, and I went right

762
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:40,359
up to the edge of the stage like it was

763
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,640
a show, like curling my toes on the end and

764
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,319
just like whipped the guitar out, kicked on the distortion

765
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,920
and the girls at church started screaming. And that was

766
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:49,160
the last time I got to do that for a

767
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,200
while because it was just went off the rails to

768
00:33:51,279 --> 00:33:53,880
turn into a Van Halen concert immediately.

769
00:33:54,119 --> 00:33:55,519
Speaker 4: Anyway, it was pretty bad.

770
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 3: But you know, in general, like I say it like this,

771
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:01,359
is that there was something so weird about the music

772
00:34:01,359 --> 00:34:03,759
because we were copying the world, which is already we're

773
00:34:03,799 --> 00:34:05,200
up to a bad start, you know, because in the

774
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,480
Lord's prayer it's let your will be done on earth

775
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:09,880
down here as it is in the heavens. Not that

776
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:11,840
we were like, hey, what do we do for church?

777
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:13,280
I don't know, Let's go look around the earth and

778
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:14,000
see what's going on.

779
00:34:14,039 --> 00:34:16,880
Speaker 2: Mean Christian band should be cold playing YouTube.

780
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:18,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, so cold playing YouTube.

781
00:34:18,599 --> 00:34:20,639
Speaker 3: The problem with that is, like I didn't like those bands,

782
00:34:20,679 --> 00:34:22,320
and we still weren't as good as them, Like they

783
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,119
cringed me out less than what we would do because

784
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:25,719
we had to play by a set of rules that

785
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:27,719
they couldn't. Like it had to be really singable for

786
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,760
eighty year olds. It also had to be really sanitized

787
00:34:31,159 --> 00:34:32,880
God is not a god of confusion, So we got

788
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,199
to understand every metaphor is got to be really clear

789
00:34:35,199 --> 00:34:38,480
and didactic, or it was like Jesus is my girlfriend

790
00:34:38,559 --> 00:34:42,199
kind of stuff. And I always assumed that I was

791
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:44,039
there was something wrong with me that I didn't like it.

792
00:34:44,159 --> 00:34:46,440
Like it was never like, hey, these guys are doing

793
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:49,679
the weirdest thing possible. There's no historical reference for anything.

794
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:51,639
This is nothing like the church that was established. No,

795
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:54,159
that was not my thought. My thought was like, man,

796
00:34:54,199 --> 00:34:55,519
if only I could get on board with this, if

797
00:34:55,559 --> 00:34:57,400
only I wasn't completely.

798
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,559
Speaker 4: Like grossed out during alter calls and stuff like that.

799
00:34:59,559 --> 00:35:01,039
Speaker 3: And I always assumed it was something wrong with me

800
00:35:01,519 --> 00:35:04,440
until I kind of went everywhere. So I just started

801
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:06,920
seeing everything and paying attention to what everybody was doing,

802
00:35:07,039 --> 00:35:12,039
Calvinist charismatics, whoever they were, and everybody had the same

803
00:35:12,159 --> 00:35:14,039
kind of story, which was like, well, we're all getting

804
00:35:14,039 --> 00:35:15,880
it a little bit wrong, you know, like it's not

805
00:35:16,079 --> 00:35:19,280
very uncommon to go to a church that has just

806
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:23,320
recently changed its bylaws as dogmatic statements. They're updating things,

807
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:27,119
we're learning as we go, and that was to me

808
00:35:27,159 --> 00:35:30,079
a no go. Also, like I was really starting to

809
00:35:30,079 --> 00:35:32,519
become obsessed with the early Church because I felt that

810
00:35:32,559 --> 00:35:35,679
would be the escape route to my frustration in the

811
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:37,440
modern church that we had gone off the rails and

812
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:41,199
we lost the track. But in my brain, my evangelical brain,

813
00:35:41,199 --> 00:35:42,760
I was like, it must have been like a hippie thing.

814
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:45,079
Must have been like commune people just getting together, there's

815
00:35:45,159 --> 00:35:49,239
loving each other, and well, gee, that ruined me. Just

816
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,559
to look even a cursory look at history. Was like,

817
00:35:51,559 --> 00:35:54,440
there's no Protestant. There's no Protestant domination that I could

818
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:56,559
find anywhere. Like, I don't like to talk about Protestantism

819
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:58,559
as if it's one thing, because it's not. I think

820
00:35:58,559 --> 00:36:01,239
I like to personally address all the different churches individually

821
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:03,760
because they're not a unified front. And in fact, I

822
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,000
think a lot of the group's believe in completely different gods.

823
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,480
So anyway, Yeah, so when I got into that and

824
00:36:09,519 --> 00:36:11,599
I discovered there was like, oh my gosh, this is real.

825
00:36:11,679 --> 00:36:14,039
Then I went to an Orthodox church and so the

826
00:36:14,159 --> 00:36:16,320
historical arguments were great for me and really helpful to

827
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,480
get me to look into it. But the reality is okay,

828
00:36:19,519 --> 00:36:21,599
you know, like like for your wife that doesn't want

829
00:36:21,599 --> 00:36:21,840
to go to.

830
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:22,840
Speaker 4: Church, with you or whatever.

831
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,679
Speaker 3: The church exists now and you can have an experience

832
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:27,320
in that church. Now you don't have to know about

833
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:29,880
the history. The history is helpful if you were let's say,

834
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:33,880
you've adapted bad presuppositions along the way, and it's good

835
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:37,199
at like helping reset like hey, listen, and maybe a

836
00:36:37,199 --> 00:36:39,440
well meaning person who didn't know any better taught you wrong.

837
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,119
Speaker 4: And that's what I experienced. So we went to an

838
00:36:42,159 --> 00:36:44,480
Orthodox church and I was like, so moved immediately.

839
00:36:44,599 --> 00:36:46,679
Speaker 3: And I had a couple of like I don't want

840
00:36:46,679 --> 00:36:48,280
to talk about them, like I was talking about this

841
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:49,400
with Cleeve to antiquity Ben.

842
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:51,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, I had some experiences that.

843
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,800
Speaker 3: Just were like it. There was a couple of things

844
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:56,239
I still had problems with and they were just gone

845
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:59,800
in an instant. But at the same time, there was

846
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:02,280
like sixty other problems when I was looking at Orthodoxy

847
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:04,400
from the outside that had already gotten solved.

848
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 4: And so and here we are now. So we uh.

849
00:37:06,519 --> 00:37:08,360
Speaker 3: I spent a lot of time in the Christian music industry.

850
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:10,679
To become Orthodox was a huge hit to my career.

851
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:13,639
I pretty much my entire network was gone.

852
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 2: So when I did, were you already kind of ensconced

853
00:37:18,119 --> 00:37:20,400
in evangelical Christian music.

854
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, I was like a professional Protestant. So we

855
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:23,159
have lots of songs.

856
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,760
Speaker 3: Probably if you're an evangelical, you probably sang one of

857
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:27,320
my songs at your church at some point.

858
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 4: Uh.

859
00:37:28,039 --> 00:37:29,840
Speaker 3: And we still get like checks in the mail for

860
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:32,599
those songs and whatever. But luckily most of them I don't.

861
00:37:32,599 --> 00:37:34,760
When I go back and listen to I'm like, okay, that,

862
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,239
like this didn't go off the rails, like I kept

863
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:38,119
on safer subjects.

864
00:37:38,199 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 2: You were one of the Gaithers. Is that correct?

865
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, heavy on the heavy on the first half of

866
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:43,800
that name.

867
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 3: Wait a little bit deeper, Yeah, gather with a hard R.

868
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:52,480
So the gay either. So yeah, we were that and

869
00:37:52,599 --> 00:37:55,000
uh and so. But coming to orthodoxy was awesome. The

870
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:56,639
first person who kind of picked me up, I got

871
00:37:56,679 --> 00:37:59,239
on his radar was Jonathan Pigot, and he really helped

872
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:03,280
me rebuild some kind of connections because we were singing conferences.

873
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:05,239
I was playing on worship records. I'd quit playing on

874
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:07,719
worship records a while ago, or the last one I

875
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,360
played on was this record called Songs Inspired by the Story.

876
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:11,320
Speaker 4: It was like every.

877
00:38:11,199 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 3: Christian artist was on it, and I replaced their guitar

878
00:38:13,519 --> 00:38:14,920
player in their bands and it was one of the

879
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:16,480
worst musical experiences I ever had.

880
00:38:16,679 --> 00:38:17,760
Speaker 4: That was my final straw.

881
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:19,639
Speaker 3: I was like, this is just ripping my soul out

882
00:38:19,679 --> 00:38:21,320
to do music this bad.

883
00:38:21,039 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 2: How did you first get the idea of I'm going

884
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:25,960
to check out an Orthodox church? Like did you see it?

885
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:26,599
Pago Vidio?

886
00:38:26,679 --> 00:38:31,280
Speaker 3: Yeahoe, So you know the Peterson Pagel pipeline. So before

887
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:35,000
Jordan Peterson became popular, I was heavily into symbolism. So

888
00:38:35,039 --> 00:38:37,280
as a Protestant, I was into typology and symbolism, and

889
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:39,000
it was there was just a couple of guys like

890
00:38:39,079 --> 00:38:42,280
James Jordan and Alistair Roberts is one of the really

891
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:44,519
good ones out in England. I think his book Echoes

892
00:38:44,559 --> 00:38:46,480
on Exodus is really really strong.

893
00:38:47,679 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 4: And what was I gonna say about them? Oh yeah, yeah.

894
00:38:51,039 --> 00:38:53,840
Speaker 3: So there was when I would talk about symbolism with people,

895
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:55,079
I'd be like, it would just start breaking down the

896
00:38:55,079 --> 00:38:55,599
garden of eating.

897
00:38:55,599 --> 00:38:56,760
Speaker 4: I remember I did, like I was asked to do

898
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:57,159
a sermon.

899
00:38:57,199 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 3: I was breaking down the symbolism of the fig leaves

900
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:00,440
and the trees and why this and like it was

901
00:39:00,519 --> 00:39:02,719
all treated with such suspicion I was like, maybe I'm

902
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:04,960
making this stuff up. It seems totally coherent to me,

903
00:39:05,519 --> 00:39:07,800
and I didn't do like for me at that time,

904
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:08,079
there was.

905
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:10,280
Speaker 4: No history before the fifteenth century.

906
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:12,320
Speaker 3: There was no one to go and read on anything,

907
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:15,360
and there's there's no one really coherently talking about symbolism

908
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:18,519
in the West for five hundred years. So I actually

909
00:39:18,519 --> 00:39:21,840
found Jordan Peterson's Maps of Meaning book and there are

910
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:25,320
parts of that were super illuminating to me, but parts

911
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:27,280
of it just felt like really clunky. And then then

912
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:29,760
he started incorporating Jonathan Pagot. When I picked up pa

913
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:32,679
Jet stuff, I couldn't find anything wrong in what he

914
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:34,480
was saying, and it actually kind of helped me, Like,

915
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:36,480
I mean, it might have been self seeking move, but

916
00:39:36,559 --> 00:39:37,960
I was like, this is the things, these are the

917
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,400
things I'm thinking about and writing about. And our music

918
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:44,000
was always symbolic. We always went heavily in symbolism. In fact,

919
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,199
we were doing something. It was like a modern version

920
00:39:46,199 --> 00:39:50,199
of apocalyptic literature, which is apocalyptic people think the end

921
00:39:50,199 --> 00:39:51,239
of the world. And yeah, we got a lot of

922
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,400
songs and ideas around the end of the world, but

923
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:55,960
apocalyptic meaning was an unveiling there are things we look

924
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:57,880
at every day and we just reduced them to the

925
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:01,599
material components and the mechanical causality. But they're actually shaped

926
00:40:01,599 --> 00:40:03,960
that way with a meaning. This exposing something that we're

927
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,960
not ready to see directly yet. So that was I

928
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:08,800
found that that was like the sweet spot in our music.

929
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:10,519
So when I wrote stuff like that, that's when people

930
00:40:10,519 --> 00:40:13,320
were reporting back having like numinous experiences. They're getting like

931
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,360
some kind of transcendence, so they couldn't fegre out why

932
00:40:15,639 --> 00:40:17,480
it was moving them emotionally, and I was having the

933
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:20,960
same experience writing it. So when we did that, I

934
00:40:21,039 --> 00:40:24,400
finally found Jonathan Pagono was like, this guy knows exactly

935
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:27,039
what he's talking about. And then I started reading Saint

936
00:40:27,199 --> 00:40:29,920
from the Syrian Saint Maximus the Confessor, and I was like,

937
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:30,800
I found my home.

938
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:32,400
Speaker 4: I found my home.

939
00:40:33,679 --> 00:40:37,039
Speaker 2: And that was around what was the.

940
00:40:37,039 --> 00:40:38,159
Speaker 4: Year twenty seventeen.

941
00:40:38,159 --> 00:40:39,760
Speaker 3: I found the first time, the first time I heard

942
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,039
about Orthodoxy in a legitimate way. When I asked about

943
00:40:42,039 --> 00:40:44,480
it earlier on in my Christianity, someone told me it

944
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:46,960
was Catholicism where they do the sign of the cross backwards.

945
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:49,440
That's the only difference. In fact, if you look up

946
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:52,199
a clip. It's on Ripley's Believe it or not. There

947
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:55,119
was a show in the eighties and Jack Palance, he

948
00:40:55,199 --> 00:40:57,880
was like that old cowboy guy, Yeah yeah, and he

949
00:40:58,039 --> 00:41:00,719
was talking about he told the story if the split

950
00:41:01,079 --> 00:41:04,079
of the Great Schism, as if the schism was over.

951
00:41:04,159 --> 00:41:06,519
Speaker 4: Which direction do the side of the cross? Look it up.

952
00:41:06,559 --> 00:41:09,559
Speaker 3: It's the dumbest crap you've ever seen. It's completely historical,

953
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,599
and it set me back probably twenty years because I

954
00:41:12,599 --> 00:41:15,360
think I would have become orthodox a lot earlier. The

955
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,239
other thing, I heard an argument that Orthodoxy was bad

956
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:22,960
because in the Soviet Union was it was too clunky

957
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:27,400
to survive the persecution, meaning that the establishment, the structure

958
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:30,559
of the institution was too bureaucratic, too wait baby bishops,

959
00:41:30,639 --> 00:41:34,159
yeah exactly, and so and then someone said, look in China,

960
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:36,920
like look at all these like China, the church went underground,

961
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:39,519
it didn't have this liturgical style, and look it still

962
00:41:39,559 --> 00:41:41,039
survived and still growing in China.

963
00:41:41,079 --> 00:41:43,280
Speaker 4: And someone made that argument to me.

964
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:45,400
Speaker 3: But then when I actually looked into it historically, I

965
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:48,000
realized that someone just totally made that up. So I

966
00:41:48,039 --> 00:41:50,000
had a bunch of setbacks. So twenty seventeen and then

967
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:53,559
by twenty nineteen I was a catechumen, so yeah, and

968
00:41:53,599 --> 00:41:55,039
the family got on board right away. I was one

969
00:41:55,039 --> 00:41:56,760
of the lucky ones where my wife went and she's like,

970
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:58,280
this is like Hogwarts for Christians.

971
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:01,800
Speaker 2: I'm in, you know. Nice. Well, that makes it easy

972
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:05,519
when you know they're that, you know, open to moving

973
00:42:05,519 --> 00:42:07,559
in that direction because we get so many questions of

974
00:42:07,599 --> 00:42:08,960
people like how do I get my wife? How do

975
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:12,199
I get my wife? Let's see shower guy says again

976
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:17,119
Jay No, Bobby C says, expanding my library with nonfiction.

977
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:21,639
What are your suggestions beyond Space Trilogy. I'm considering Dune. Yeah,

978
00:42:21,639 --> 00:42:25,119
I love Dune. I would say you should get Tolkien,

979
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:27,039
you should get Lord of the Rings. You should get

980
00:42:27,519 --> 00:42:31,480
Philip K. Dick, you should get Ray Bradberry, you should

981
00:42:31,559 --> 00:42:37,280
get Flannery O'Connor, you should get I mean, there's so

982
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:41,320
many fiction writers that are good. You know. We covered

983
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:43,719
some of the classics and some of the podcasts. You know,

984
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:46,719
we did William Golding, Lord of Flies. Recently we did

985
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:50,440
Conrad Books, but nobody watches those, so you know, if

986
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:54,800
you want to do podcasts, don't cover literature. Although shout

987
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:57,559
Out to Bla has a great channel and he covers.

988
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,559
Speaker 4: Lit base lit analyze, yes or.

989
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:03,760
Speaker 2: Anybody who are your Do you have fiction go tos

990
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:04,239
that you well?

991
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:05,800
Speaker 4: I mean, he's already got a couple of them on there.

992
00:43:06,599 --> 00:43:07,480
I really liked.

993
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 3: Okay, let me give you a wild card that you

994
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:11,280
probably haven't heard of that fits nice with these books.

995
00:43:12,039 --> 00:43:14,159
It's got a little Peag thirteen stuff in it, so

996
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:17,239
you know, keep the kids away now. It's called The

997
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:21,880
Dream of Perpetual Motion by Dexter Palmer. He's a professor

998
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,760
from Princeton who wrote like one book and he tells

999
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:27,119
you everything he thinks. And it's a really beautiful book

1000
00:43:27,199 --> 00:43:29,199
because it's a it's a re enchantment story.

1001
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:31,119
Speaker 4: It's a world that is.

1002
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 3: It takes place like this's got this kind of Willy

1003
00:43:34,039 --> 00:43:37,239
Wonka character who's taking over the world with robotics and

1004
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:40,920
inventions and stuff. And there's this wonderful relationship between the

1005
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:42,519
dad and the son because the dad lived in a

1006
00:43:42,519 --> 00:43:44,519
world before this, and he's always reminding the son. He's like,

1007
00:43:44,519 --> 00:43:46,639
you don't understand when I when I used to walk

1008
00:43:46,679 --> 00:43:48,920
the streets like angels will stand there on the corners,

1009
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:50,880
and dare you not to believe in them, and now

1010
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:53,039
you've got these machines and all you can see is machines,

1011
00:43:53,079 --> 00:43:54,400
and all you have is a machine in your mind.

1012
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:58,079
And so the story really was it was really about

1013
00:43:58,119 --> 00:44:01,480
like this battle going on right now between the human

1014
00:44:01,559 --> 00:44:05,960
soul and let's just say like automation. And so that's

1015
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,119
a good book to read. That's a surprising when not

1016
00:44:08,159 --> 00:44:09,440
many people have heard of So I'll just throw that

1017
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:09,880
one in the max.

1018
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:11,639
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's other more popular books.

1019
00:44:11,639 --> 00:44:13,079
Speaker 2: I haven't heard of that though.

1020
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, Luris, you know what my Kate loves Lauris, which

1021
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:17,880
is an Orthodox author too.

1022
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 2: Bobby C. You missed my chat earlier the Internet drop.

1023
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:30,199
What are your suggestions of nonfiction? Okay, yeah we did,

1024
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:33,679
we did. Sorry. Sweinter is five dollars. What do you

1025
00:44:33,679 --> 00:44:36,320
think about it? Borro's book revisiting a the Debate between

1026
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:39,039
Catholics and Orthodox. Honestly, Bro, I don't have time to

1027
00:44:39,079 --> 00:44:41,760
read Erica Barr's books. I have not kept up with

1028
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:44,960
with Eric you borrow all right, now, let's move to chats.

1029
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:46,840
We got a lot of people in the chat here. JRB.

1030
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:53,679
What's what's on your mind? GERB? What's on your mind?

1031
00:44:54,079 --> 00:44:54,880
J RB? GERB.

1032
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:56,880
Speaker 4: They took the gerbs.

1033
00:44:57,039 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 2: What's up? Coaches?

1034
00:45:00,039 --> 00:45:00,159
Speaker 3: What?

1035
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:03,119
Speaker 2: Jerror? What's up?

1036
00:45:03,159 --> 00:45:05,119
Speaker 4: How come you don't dance no more? Coach z? Come on?

1037
00:45:07,079 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 2: Are you there? Okay? Nick On? What's up? Nikon? I'm mute? Yo?

1038
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:20,840
Can you hear me? Sir? What's on your mine?

1039
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:21,559
Speaker 3: Yo?

1040
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,400
Speaker 9: So I wanted to say, Jay, you know, if you

1041
00:45:24,519 --> 00:45:27,559
go back into stand up comedy, can I assume you're

1042
00:45:27,599 --> 00:45:27,920
going to?

1043
00:45:28,039 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 5: Man?

1044
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 4: I think you should really go for the solo.

1045
00:45:32,119 --> 00:45:35,280
Speaker 9: You know, the Mexican accent thing that you do.

1046
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:37,840
Speaker 2: Man, it's so funny. What if I just went as

1047
00:45:38,159 --> 00:45:40,159
as if I was Alo and I just went to

1048
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:42,519
like Mexican stand up clubs? Is know what you mean?

1049
00:45:42,599 --> 00:45:42,679
Speaker 5: Like?

1050
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:45,199
Speaker 2: Well, you should definitely you should definitely do that. I

1051
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:46,599
wanted to say, you should definitely do that.

1052
00:45:46,639 --> 00:45:49,800
Speaker 9: I want to give you Alo pass because I'm half Mexican,

1053
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:52,239
so you got to pass from me. I did want

1054
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:56,559
to comment on whoever has the best you know, black

1055
00:45:56,639 --> 00:45:58,800
man uh impersonation?

1056
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:00,800
Speaker 2: That would actually be Sam. I have you seen his

1057
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:06,000
stand up? I have, yes, of course. I mean, so

1058
00:46:06,079 --> 00:46:07,920
you could do like the Mexican version. Okay, So I

1059
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,400
have to be the clo because Sam wins the Okay,

1060
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:12,559
I'll take care. I'll be there. No, I mean I

1061
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:14,320
like it. I like where I like where you're going.

1062
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:17,280
There's a lot of there's a lot of solo in me.

1063
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:19,840
The only thing is, like I've already racked up twenty

1064
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:23,880
five in word passes. I've only gotten one solo pass.

1065
00:46:24,039 --> 00:46:27,559
So I feel like I'm way behind. Uh gerb are

1066
00:46:27,559 --> 00:46:36,000
you there? I'm you jerup? They don't the gerbs? Are

1067
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:36,320
you there?

1068
00:46:36,559 --> 00:46:37,039
Speaker 8: Ladies?

1069
00:46:40,199 --> 00:46:40,320
Speaker 3: One?

1070
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 2: Well, you don't have that just because just well I'm

1071
00:46:43,519 --> 00:46:45,400
not gonna say who, but just because you have relatives

1072
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:47,119
that are tolos. I mean you can just hand them

1073
00:46:47,119 --> 00:46:51,920
out like candy. What are you thinking, John? Is that what?

1074
00:46:52,039 --> 00:46:53,519
So you think you just get to hand him out

1075
00:46:53,519 --> 00:46:54,880
like it's just free, free candy.

1076
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:59,039
Speaker 4: I have one, I have one.

1077
00:46:58,199 --> 00:47:02,559
Speaker 2: Okay, thank you. So that's two cholo passes. Maddock, what's up?

1078
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:06,239
By the way, you heard, we have the black dude

1079
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:12,800
in here saying that I have the best Kat Williams

1080
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:15,119
that he's ever heard, even amongst black people. So maybe

1081
00:47:15,199 --> 00:47:19,360
Sam Hide does a thug better, but can you actually

1082
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:22,079
say that a black dude can't judge a black dude's voice?

1083
00:47:22,079 --> 00:47:23,400
Akakat Williams better?

1084
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:26,760
Speaker 3: I think doing a specific person's voice is more impressive

1085
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:29,480
than doing general group's voice, because how do you test

1086
00:47:29,519 --> 00:47:30,760
it against a general group?

1087
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 4: So if you can do a good.

1088
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:35,519
Speaker 3: Cat Williams, sam Hide needs to pick a specific person

1089
00:47:35,559 --> 00:47:38,239
to impersonate and then let's see, let's let's do the test.

1090
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 2: I think that white dude on Instagram is the best

1091
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:44,079
wigger though for sure. Oh he's leaving now, said the

1092
00:47:44,159 --> 00:47:48,519
W word. All right, he's going to be canceled. Zaye,

1093
00:47:48,599 --> 00:47:49,039
what's up?

1094
00:47:49,079 --> 00:47:50,760
Speaker 4: I get canceled all the time. I'm used to it.

1095
00:47:51,679 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 2: Zaine says, have you looked at useful charts? They are

1096
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:58,440
a Christian denomination family Tree. No, I don't know about that,

1097
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:00,679
but I'm guessing that it's like this show that's split

1098
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:02,880
between East and West and then Protestants and all that.

1099
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:06,039
But I'm not familiar with that. Anon, what's up? Man?

1100
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:16,119
We had h Brosey and are saying it's the best

1101
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:19,599
cat Williams. Anon, what's up? Unmute dog?

1102
00:48:20,039 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 8: All right, I'm probably gonna get roasted by y'all, but yeah, yeah,

1103
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:28,800
but hey, I'm good for a conversation. Okay, So I'm

1104
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:32,920
a Southern Baptist and uh I support the Israel state.

1105
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:34,880
I'm happy black, So y'all, y'all let me have it.

1106
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:40,599
Speaker 2: Y'all as question, are you joking? You serious?

1107
00:48:41,119 --> 00:48:44,639
Speaker 8: No, I'm actually serious, man. Y'all can kick me off

1108
00:48:44,639 --> 00:48:46,079
you want to. I'm just curious. I was trying to

1109
00:48:46,119 --> 00:48:46,760
learn from y'all.

1110
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:50,360
Speaker 4: Like, well, what are your reasons for supporting Israel? Yeah?

1111
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:53,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you think Israel is that you should

1112
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:55,280
support it above something else?

1113
00:48:56,199 --> 00:48:56,400
Speaker 7: Yeah?

1114
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:58,840
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah. So if we're gonna talk, like so, I

1115
00:48:59,159 --> 00:49:00,480
think that in the world, like I don't.

1116
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 2: I don't believe in isolationism.

1117
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:04,519
Speaker 8: I think that we have to go around the world

1118
00:49:04,559 --> 00:49:07,519
and project our strength to because listen, like we don't

1119
00:49:07,559 --> 00:49:11,519
grow everything in America. There are important minerals, important national

1120
00:49:11,559 --> 00:49:13,039
resources that we need to open up.

1121
00:49:13,079 --> 00:49:15,239
Speaker 2: Okay, what minerals and resources are in Israel? You know

1122
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:16,519
there's not really any oil there.

1123
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:19,400
Speaker 8: Right, Yeah, no, no, And I exactly know that. But

1124
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:21,679
what I'm saying with this, though, is that it's an outpost,

1125
00:49:22,079 --> 00:49:23,840
Like I don't see them as like as something like

1126
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:26,639
we're like, like, I'm not saying I religiously see him

1127
00:49:26,679 --> 00:49:27,679
like that, but I do you see him as an

1128
00:49:27,679 --> 00:49:28,719
outpost in the Middle East?

1129
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:31,280
Speaker 2: And did you see there. You sure the interactions between

1130
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:34,320
Epstein and Ehood Barock, the emails.

1131
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:39,920
Speaker 8: Yeah, So my thing with with Epstein is I think

1132
00:49:40,039 --> 00:49:42,679
that's a I don't think that it's as big as

1133
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:44,719
people are trying to say it is. Whenever we had

1134
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:48,159
five hundred thousand children traffic across our fucking border last year.

1135
00:49:48,039 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 2: It's not about the numbers. That's a deflection. He was

1136
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:55,800
targeting high profile individuals, power movers and shakers in America.

1137
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:58,840
That's the point, not the numbers. So what do you

1138
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:00,920
mean that's not why would why would our ally have

1139
00:50:01,039 --> 00:50:04,119
to target and compromise some of the most powerful people

1140
00:50:04,119 --> 00:50:06,000
in our country?

1141
00:50:06,559 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 8: Yeah, but like so they also say that he's They

1142
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:12,639
also say that Epstein's like with Trump, they say with everything.

1143
00:50:12,679 --> 00:50:15,000
So it's like Epstein's like I'm talking about.

1144
00:50:15,039 --> 00:50:18,400
Speaker 2: These are actual emails showing that he was coordinating with

1145
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:22,000
Ehod Barack and other Israeli spies on how to compromise

1146
00:50:22,079 --> 00:50:25,519
high powerful individuals, including people like Peter Thiel. So don't

1147
00:50:25,519 --> 00:50:28,559
deflect away from that. Tell me why that's good, that's

1148
00:50:28,599 --> 00:50:32,599
our ally? Why is there ally having to compromise powerful

1149
00:50:32,639 --> 00:50:36,719
people in America? Yeah?

1150
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:38,880
Speaker 8: So again I'm gonna I'm going to point on to

1151
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:41,480
this is that I think that Epstein's very low level

1152
00:50:41,519 --> 00:50:45,519
whenever we're talking about actual what's going on, and like, listen, okay,

1153
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:47,480
I'll say this. It's like, okay, do you have me

1154
00:50:47,559 --> 00:50:49,039
on that? I disagree with you on that.

1155
00:50:49,199 --> 00:50:50,599
Speaker 2: Have you read a book on the topic. Have you

1156
00:50:50,599 --> 00:50:53,000
read Whitney Webb's book, any any book on this topic.

1157
00:50:56,840 --> 00:50:58,480
Speaker 8: On on the Epstein topic?

1158
00:50:58,679 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1159
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:03,119
Speaker 8: No, because again and for all the survivors, thank god

1160
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:05,719
that they're survivors. But I just like, I'm focused on

1161
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:06,760
what's going on right now.

1162
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:08,960
Speaker 2: Okay, well that's what that was going on right now,

1163
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:11,440
because that was all the way up until the twenty tens.

1164
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:14,159
Have you read anything like Victor of Strowsky's book By

1165
00:51:14,199 --> 00:51:22,719
Way of Deception, Gordon Thomas's Gideon Spies, any of those texts.

1166
00:51:23,199 --> 00:51:24,719
Speaker 8: Do we want to talk about it?

1167
00:51:25,519 --> 00:51:29,760
Speaker 2: There we go? No, I mean, like, can we have yeah? Right, no,

1168
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:33,039
we'll see that's active stuff because that's where we are now,

1169
00:51:33,079 --> 00:51:35,119
that's how we got to where we are. But I'm

1170
00:51:35,159 --> 00:51:37,840
gonna move on. Thank you for your call. Why don't

1171
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:39,559
you call back in when we're doing like a Middle

1172
00:51:39,599 --> 00:51:42,559
Eastern discussion and then we'll focus on that, but I

1173
00:51:42,599 --> 00:51:45,800
don't want Neil to get wrapped into, you know, something

1174
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:46,840
that he's.

1175
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:50,719
Speaker 3: I don't have an opinion on everything.

1176
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:53,440
Speaker 2: Yes you may, John, only if it agrees with me,

1177
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:56,440
though that's up.

1178
00:51:57,400 --> 00:51:59,519
Speaker 5: I will say, that's one of the first people I've

1179
00:51:59,519 --> 00:52:03,320
ever heard admit that it's just an outpost in the

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Middle East. So at least he understands that aspect of

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it that you know, most most people associating it with

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Christian Zionism or you know, dispensationalism, they won't actually admit

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that it's, you know, a military industrial complex outpost in

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the Middle East. They'll just defer to it being some

1185
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sort of holy land. But actually recognizing that there's a

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utilitarian concept i e. Military industrial complex.

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Speaker 2: Then yeah, absolutely, And also too, you'll find that when

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you really get into the weeds of this, and I'm

1189
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not saying that to just be a smart ass, it's

1190
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like that they've not actually read what Israeli strategy is.

1191
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They haven't read the spy books, they haven't read the

1192
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you know, Middle Eastern geopolitical text. Not because of being

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a know it all, but because that's the context that

1194
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you need to understand what's happening and why it's happening

1195
00:52:59,679 --> 00:53:03,679
right This is not just you know, well God's chosen

1196
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people's apple love God's eyes. It is it's more than that.

1197
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It's a lot deeper than that. And also the only

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reason people think that is because they don't understand the

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churches Israel. It's not the atheist socialist nation state that

1200
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was set up on the basis of actually utopian socialist ideology.

1201
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So that's a huge issue, and people wanted to flect

1202
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into well, it's not about what happened in the last century,

1203
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it's what's happening right now. What's how would you get

1204
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:31,760
to where we are right now with you know, when

1205
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that Netanyahu comes in, all of the you know, American

1206
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elected leaders like stand up and cheer him and you know,

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basically grovel to him when he shows up, like he's

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like a king or something. They don't even treat like

1209
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if a dignitary like King Charles came, who's just as bad, like,

1210
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they don't treat him with that sort of like you know,

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adulation and worship groweling before him. So no, this is

1212
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just kind of like I'm not trying to mean to

1213
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that dude, but like I want you to call back

1214
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in when we have like a Middle Eastern sort of

1215
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topic that's more specific, we can go. I know it

1216
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says geopolitics in the chat, but we've already been going

1217
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for almost four hours, and Neil will have to probably

1218
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check out here in a little bit because I asked

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for one hour of his time and I don't want

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to We don't want to destroy.

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Speaker 3: I got whatever you need. You want to destroy a

1222
00:54:15,679 --> 00:54:18,320
reputation talking about Israel. Well, you know, so this is

1223
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kind of an interesting thing. But like coming into the

1224
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Orthodox Church, what's nice about the Orthodox Church is it's

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not a pop up church. It's not something that came

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around ten years ago. It's not something that is drenched

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in the World War two narrative. And so what you

1228
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realize is when you come into Orthodoxy, is it you

1229
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become so used to people in the world just getting

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out of the way of Israel and being so afraid

1231
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to say anything about it, which, if you really think

1232
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about it, it's another let's just wipe out like any names.

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Let's say think country A, country B, country C, country D.

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Why would you give country B? Like why does country

1235
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be no matter what it does? Like not criticizable, So

1236
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that's one of the things the Orthodox Church was free around.

1237
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But you get so used to hearing people just back

1238
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away from that, like because it gets conflated with criticizing

1239
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a Jewish person, and now you're the bad World War

1240
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two guy. So I think that what people can do

1241
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is just kind of sit back and just evaluate things,

1242
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and forget the name of the country you're evaluating.

1243
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Speaker 4: Just pay attention to who's in.

1244
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Speaker 3: Charge, what is like in the now, like on their resume,

1245
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what have they done in the past, what are they like,

1246
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:25,760
what do they believe, what's their worldview. You start to

1247
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:28,559
get into this, you realize that Israel like it even

1248
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if it carries the same name in the same sound,

1249
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there's no way, there's no way it's anything like the

1250
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Israel from the Old Testament. Yeah, it's in the same

1251
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geographical place. So the idea that the idea that we're

1252
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supposed to just sit there and give them a pass

1253
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on everything doesn't make any sense. Like you credit the

1254
00:55:44,079 --> 00:55:45,960
good when you see good, you call it the bad

1255
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:47,679
when you see bad. If you're going to have an

1256
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:49,559
opinion on these things, I don't have much of opinion

1257
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on these things.

1258
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Speaker 4: But I asked a monk once.

1259
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:53,559
Speaker 3: I said, hey, how do I think about this? And

1260
00:55:53,599 --> 00:55:56,159
he had give you this perfect monk wrong answer. He says,

1261
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wrong is wrong. No matter who does it, it's wrong.

1262
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So if it's wrong, it's wrong, doesn't matter. So I

1263
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was like, oh, that's a way simpler way of thinking

1264
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of it and getting entangled from all of these films

1265
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and all of this stuff that has told me that

1266
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here's the good guy, here's the bad guy, you know.

1267
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And so that was actually a relief coming to the

1268
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Orthodox Church because I could again, like just we were

1269
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talking about earlier, like hey, there's certain things you can't

1270
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talk about in the world. This is one of the

1271
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things that's coming back. The World War two narrative is dying. Sadly,

1272
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it's dying for some people because COVID. Now they have

1273
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the COVID narrative in their head and they're you know,

1274
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:29,039
they can't remember the mindset of people more than five

1275
00:56:29,119 --> 00:56:32,280
years ago. But besides that, I mean, where you can

1276
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:34,800
see online everywhere, everybody's starting to wake up to this,

1277
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and so I think, just keep talking about it and

1278
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figure it out.

1279
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Speaker 2: Sounds like you need to be put in a re

1280
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education camp and stropped down and shown Schindler's List twenty

1281
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five times in a row, and then maybe you'll be

1282
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straightened out. Hugh Fox, what's up? Father Dickins always coming

1283
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up with these like elaborate sort of MK E L

1284
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dress style techniques, and so I think we get work together.

1285
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Speaker 3: I have a typological case for why doing with the

1286
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passing of the waters? Why it's obvious that Israel ends

1287
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with the beheading of John the Baptist and the ascension

1288
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of Christ. So I could get into that, but that

1289
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takes about five minutes to explain.

1290
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Speaker 4: We won't do it.

1291
00:57:09,119 --> 00:57:09,199
Speaker 5: Now.

1292
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Speaker 2: Let's you to come back and we'll we'll get into it. Like, well,

1293
00:57:12,159 --> 00:57:14,480
you're I think that's interesting. I didn't know that. I knew.

1294
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I knew that you and and Pagio were buds, but

1295
00:57:16,719 --> 00:57:19,239
I didn't know you were like as into you know,

1296
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:22,280
typology and symbolism. Yeah, yeah, you knew who James Jordan was.

1297
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Speaker 3: So that's it's cute because Jonathan when he introduced me

1298
00:57:24,679 --> 00:57:27,039
to people, he introduced me as a symbolism guy, which

1299
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is kind of funny. Yeah, he did that to Jordan Peterson.

1300
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I got his attention right away. It's kind of nice things.

1301
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He's probably being too generous. But anyway, I was going

1302
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to make a.

1303
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Speaker 6: Joke and be like, well, I could explain exactly when

1304
00:57:38,079 --> 00:57:40,320
this happened, but it's going to take a ten hour.

1305
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:43,760
Speaker 2: Lsd SI up MK ultra.

1306
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Speaker 4: Experience perfect exactly. You're gonna need a little brainwashing too

1307
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to understand what I'm saying.

1308
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Speaker 2: Theology Explorer five dollars. Did you know that you can

1309
00:57:53,039 --> 00:57:56,559
ask chat GBT to refute Protestant and Roman Catholic errors

1310
00:57:56,559 --> 00:57:58,960
in a Jay dire mode? I thought this was crazy.

1311
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:03,079
It's spot on a lot of times. Uh yeah, actually,

1312
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I mean I haven't done that, but I've seen a

1313
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lot of people actually making YouTube videos and kind of

1314
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reading off of scripts that I think most people now

1315
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:14,280
we can kind of figure out, like when people are

1316
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reading something from you know, a chat GPT type of response.

1317
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So yeah, I know that you can kind of tailor

1318
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it to respond in that way. I didn't know about it.

1319
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I didn't think about doing specifically me. But that's funny.

1320
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Speaker 10: Actually, the torture technique that Jay's gonna and Father Deacon's

1321
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gonna use is gonna be like clarkwork Orange, but instead

1322
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of Beethoven, it's gonna be Enya.

1323
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Speaker 2: Now, all the moms are gonna be happy because you know,

1324
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like that's straight mom core, and you know we don't

1325
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hate all mom core. I mean I could, I could

1326
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start seeing Michael Bolton right here, but I'll hold off

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Mom's he loved to Guys. If you want to get

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access to Hollywood one, two, and three, you can go

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don't have the request a signed copy. They're all signed.

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That's all purpose of getting it from me. You can

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also get some of the other products. The Red Book

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is still available. By the way, we are over halfway

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into the Estra Collywood three orders, so if you are

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still waiting on your order, don't worry. It will come.

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So we did that. We did that's that's doctor.

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Speaker 3: Go ahead, No, while you're on the internet, go over

1346
00:59:43,599 --> 00:59:46,360
and harassed Joe Rogan to have j on his channel.

1347
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I think the esoteric Hollywood content would be perfect for

1348
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his podcast, so I'd like to just go u's swamp

1349
00:59:53,119 --> 00:59:54,679
him with tool with suggestions.

1350
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Speaker 2: Now Rogan will not listen to anyone in person suggesting,

1351
00:59:59,559 --> 01:00:01,599
but they I will pay attention when you guys put

1352
01:00:01,599 --> 01:00:03,639
stuff in the chat. So somebody was asking earlier, will

1353
01:00:03,639 --> 01:00:08,239
you go on PbD. I've talked to Patroba David's schedulers

1354
01:00:08,239 --> 01:00:11,320
and producers probably ten times, and they're always saying stuff like,

1355
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:13,639
well maybe when your audience grows. So I need you

1356
01:00:13,679 --> 01:00:15,159
guys to grow the audience and then we can get

1357
01:00:15,159 --> 01:00:18,880
on there. Jbpelta five dollars. People think the justification is

1358
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:21,519
if I confess the thing, I can justify the thing.

1359
01:00:21,599 --> 01:00:24,559
It's not. It's only if thing number one is the

1360
01:00:24,599 --> 01:00:27,679
case that thing number two can be the case. Yeah,

1361
01:00:27,719 --> 01:00:30,719
I think you're right about that Saturday Night special ten dollars.

1362
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:35,360
I've always been exceptionally skeptical of spirituality and religion, but

1363
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:37,480
your videos opened my mind. I went to my first

1364
01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:39,960
liturgy a couple of weeks ago. Thank you, in no

1365
01:00:40,119 --> 01:00:43,119
small part, thank you glad to hear that Saturday Night special.

1366
01:00:43,199 --> 01:00:46,239
Hopefully you have a good experience, because sometimes, just to

1367
01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:49,519
be fair, not everybody's initial orthodox experience is good. Sometimes

1368
01:00:49,519 --> 01:00:52,679
they're bad. My initial experience is pretty bad. But stick

1369
01:00:52,719 --> 01:00:54,800
with it, keep going, and I think you'll find the

1370
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:59,039
right community eventually if it's not your first test case.

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Niggobe's five dollars. From my experience, my personal experience living

1372
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:06,599
there and viewing Japanese media, this society has a lot

1373
01:01:06,639 --> 01:01:12,800
of syncretism or perennialism. I forget the distinction. Probably probably.

1374
01:01:13,159 --> 01:01:15,639
I mean we have Japanese people at our church, and

1375
01:01:15,719 --> 01:01:18,880
she has explained Japan in that way, so I would

1376
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:23,360
imagine you're right there. Who is like god? Thirty five czars?

1377
01:01:23,599 --> 01:01:26,440
Could you bring me up on the Xpace? I gotta

1378
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:28,880
go to bed. I'm sorry I missed your man, didn't

1379
01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:31,679
see you. You're a super chat in time to bring

1380
01:01:31,719 --> 01:01:35,960
you up? All right? Last question? Who has a question

1381
01:01:36,079 --> 01:01:42,000
for Neil? Let's see Anthony? What's up Anthony? Guys? Also

1382
01:01:42,079 --> 01:01:47,440
remember to follow Neil right here at dirtport Robbins. This

1383
01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:50,079
is his channel and they put out some really good, solid,

1384
01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:54,199
unique music. I have to say, like, heyman, I'm not

1385
01:01:54,239 --> 01:01:57,760
a professional music critic, but you are a singer, but

1386
01:01:57,840 --> 01:02:01,920
I am a cringe course singer, and I don't I mean,

1387
01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:04,639
there's obviously many influences. What are some of the influencers.

1388
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, So we started out probably bands like Elo

1389
01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:12,239
and Queen and Pink Floyd from the seventies. I was

1390
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a big Beatles influence as far as their melodic content.

1391
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But we loved Concept Records. So you know, one of

1392
01:02:18,039 --> 01:02:19,880
the things, like, so how I became friends with Pagot

1393
01:02:20,079 --> 01:02:22,320
is that in twenty nineteen we wrote we write a

1394
01:02:22,360 --> 01:02:24,280
story for our records, and we write songs that kind

1395
01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:26,360
of tell the story or highlight parts of the story.

1396
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Speaker 4: And so the story I.

1397
01:02:27,360 --> 01:02:31,480
Speaker 3: Came up with was a future world, in your future world,

1398
01:02:31,519 --> 01:02:34,079
where the globalists shut down the world through a series

1399
01:02:34,119 --> 01:02:38,239
of pandemics and then use those pandemics to institute an

1400
01:02:38,159 --> 01:02:43,480
authoritarian system of control and also release a moral therapeutic

1401
01:02:43,559 --> 01:02:46,760
AI there to coddle everybody through the process. And so

1402
01:02:47,679 --> 01:02:50,559
when twenty twenty came around, it worked out really good

1403
01:02:50,559 --> 01:02:52,199
for us because it looked like we could see around

1404
01:02:52,199 --> 01:02:53,760
corners or something like that. And I'm not trying to

1405
01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:56,280
see around corners writing, you know, writing a song. So

1406
01:02:56,840 --> 01:02:59,039
if you like concept records or like, there's a lot

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01:02:59,079 --> 01:03:00,440
more to sink your teeth in so you can go

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in and pick off songs. But we do really do

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well as far as people listening to our whole record.

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We had a great month with two older songs recently

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have kind of taken off, so they got a couple

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of million streams alone.

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Speaker 4: Last month though.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's kind of cooking right now and we

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haven't released anything new in seven months now. Next year

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we're working with Justin Marler on a concept record around

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the Youth of the Apocalypse. Youth of the Apocalypse, there's

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no the direct article in front of it, so we're

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talking about doing that and doing a live record. So

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it's going to hit a little harder than our last

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couple of records.

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Speaker 4: Though, So anyway, that's what we do.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, if you can follow us and subscribe to us,

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we get like the problem is I talk online and

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so a big part of our audience is like theater.

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Speaker 4: Kids and stuff like that, and you know.

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Speaker 3: These are people that are under like a heavy political

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oppression where people can't even you know, detach from their narrative,

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even in the smallest fashion, without being out of swords

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for them.

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Speaker 4: So we get a lot of flak for that.

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Speaker 3: I get on and talk about my faith and I

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just don't want to shut up about it. But one

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of the things that can help is, like, you know,

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people who are like minded with us to kind of

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follow us, support us, because then we're uncancellable.

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Speaker 4: Right, So, any subscribes, I'm watching the numbers going up

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right now.

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Speaker 2: Jay, you guys need to subscribe right now. We got

1440
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to support our own peeps. Yeah, all right, Thank you

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guys so much. Thank you so much Neil for joining us.

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And guys, get the books, get the chalk dot com products,

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especially the Ashville Gun and the Tonk Kitle