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<v Speaker 1>This is Dan Capless and welcome to today's online podcast

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to the Dan Caplis Show. Here on a windy

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<v Speaker 2>Monday afternoons from the iHeart Studios. Looking out the window here,

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<v Speaker 2>it looks like the weather is changing quickly, so if

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<v Speaker 2>you're out there on the roads or heading home, looks

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<v Speaker 2>like you may encounter some weather in your drive today.

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<v Speaker 2>You're not listening to Dan, though, you're listening to the

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<v Speaker 2>fill in, which is Weld, Kenny shri Steve Riams. It's

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<v Speaker 2>always an honor to be here in the seat taking

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<v Speaker 2>over for Dan. I think he's out a trial again

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<v Speaker 2>for the first couple of days of the week this week,

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<v Speaker 2>so you'll have me today and a couple other guest

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<v Speaker 2>hosts as the week goes on. But I want to

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<v Speaker 2>dive right into our topics today, and one of those

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<v Speaker 2>is going to be the State Republican Party, the GOP.

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<v Speaker 2>We've had a transition of power from the Dave Williams

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<v Speaker 2>regime to the Britta Horn legacy, and in that process,

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<v Speaker 2>it's been a little clunky from one transition to the other.

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<v Speaker 2>And last week, any of you that are involved in

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<v Speaker 2>Colorado politics on the Republican side, you probably had an

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<v Speaker 2>email from the new chairwoman, Brita Horn, and kind of

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<v Speaker 2>referenced taking over the finances of the party and through

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<v Speaker 2>some information out there that can kind of be construed

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<v Speaker 2>to question the spending of the outgoing regime for the

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<v Speaker 2>last month. And I was asked to go on a

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<v Speaker 2>radio show over the weekend along with Dick Wadhams. And

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<v Speaker 2>during that other radio show we were kind of having

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<v Speaker 2>an exchange back and forth, and I thought, well, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to be covering for Dan, so why don't we

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<v Speaker 2>get Dick Wadhams on on Monday afternoon and just kind

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<v Speaker 2>of set the stage for where the state of the

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<v Speaker 2>Republican Party is. So he's coming on with us right now. Dick,

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<v Speaker 2>how are you doing, mister Wadhams, How are you, sir?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm doing great? Sure, How are you doing?

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<v Speaker 4>I'm doing fine? Hey.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, we had a little conversation over the weekend,

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<v Speaker 2>but to set the stage for the listeners, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I think anybody that's part of the Republican Party probably

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<v Speaker 2>got the email that came out from chairwoman Britta Horn,

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<v Speaker 2>and the minute that I got it and there was

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<v Speaker 2>three pages of spreadsheet expenditures that kind of drew my attention.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, Oh, that's a lot of money. I

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<v Speaker 2>think two hundred and sixty one thousand dollars that was

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<v Speaker 2>outgoing from the account in that last month. And I

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<v Speaker 2>think you probably looked at it in a similar way.

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<v Speaker 2>But I don't want to put words in your mouth.

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<v Speaker 2>So what was your initial take at seeing that email

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<v Speaker 2>and kind of the information contained.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it didn't really surprise me, Steve. I assumed that

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<v Speaker 3>probably the Williams regime would spend down the money in

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<v Speaker 3>the account, as I recall going into April. For going

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<v Speaker 3>into March, the party was showing something like two hundred

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<v Speaker 3>thousand in the bank, and the last FET report they

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<v Speaker 3>filed for the month of March, which was filed on

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<v Speaker 3>April twentieth, I showed it spend down to something with

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<v Speaker 3>fourth thousand or whatever it was. Didn't surprise me. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>But the only thing I'll tell you what has kind

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<v Speaker 3>of really kind of rankled me. The whole few years

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<v Speaker 3>Williams chairman was the character assassination that he he and

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<v Speaker 3>others leveled against Christy Burton Brown and alleging that she

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<v Speaker 3>had done he suggested, not suggesting, very almost accusing her

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<v Speaker 3>of of illegal mismanagement of the party. And they never

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<v Speaker 3>came forward with any concrete evidence of that, and and

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<v Speaker 3>I think they're still doing it. So I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, Christy Burton Brown is an upstanding person. I

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<v Speaker 3>just don't understand why they did that during their two

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<v Speaker 3>year period.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Interestingly enough, after the interview we did over the weekend,

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<v Speaker 2>I got a text from Dave Williams that kind of

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<v Speaker 2>it was a statement and it was on behalf of

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<v Speaker 2>his outgoing his outgoing group, and it was it was

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<v Speaker 2>pinned by Tom Bjorkland, uh the outgoing Treasure and he

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<v Speaker 2>basically said, hey, you know, there were some problems that

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<v Speaker 2>were inherited from even the Ryan call era that apparently

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<v Speaker 2>didn't necessarily get cleaned up under KBB. And then when

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<v Speaker 2>Dave Williams took over, you know, they were doing their

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<v Speaker 2>best and this is his his take, not mine, they

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<v Speaker 2>were doing their best to kind of make sense of

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<v Speaker 2>all that and hand over a clean a clean Bill

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<v Speaker 2>of goods to the to the now britt A Horn administration.

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<v Speaker 2>So we're actually gonna have Tom Bjorklan on in the

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<v Speaker 2>second hour of the show, So I'd encourage you to

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<v Speaker 2>tune in if you want to hear what he has

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<v Speaker 2>to say. But you know, I figured, let's just get

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<v Speaker 2>straight to the source and see if we can find

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<v Speaker 2>the guy who was actually doing the books. So hopefully

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<v Speaker 2>that'll be a little little uh, it'll shine some light

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<v Speaker 2>on the whole thing. But Dick, I the reason I

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to have you on is you you were the

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<v Speaker 2>party chairman for a while. Is it normal to see

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<v Speaker 2>this kind of spin down in the last month or

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<v Speaker 2>two of one person going out and another person even.

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<v Speaker 3>M That's hard to answer the question whether it's normal, Steve,

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<v Speaker 3>when I got elected in two thousand and seven, I

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<v Speaker 3>discovered that the party he was in debt by a

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<v Speaker 3>serious amount. In fact, it was in debt six hundred

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<v Speaker 3>thousand dollars when we time, we got a full accounting,

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<v Speaker 3>and it wasn't There wasn't anything illegal going on. The

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<v Speaker 3>party just lost control of its spending as it was

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<v Speaker 3>trying to help elect Republicans, and that two hundred or

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<v Speaker 3>that two thousand and six election cycle. So I started

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<v Speaker 3>off the day I got elected. I inherited a six

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<v Speaker 3>hundred thousand dollars debt that took me over the course

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<v Speaker 3>of the full first two years I was chairman. And

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<v Speaker 3>so you know, it's just one of them. Listen, I

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<v Speaker 3>ran for the job, I've got it, and I've had

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<v Speaker 3>the responsibility for taking care of that debt and we did.

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<v Speaker 3>I wouldn't I would say this that uh chair should

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<v Speaker 3>try to leave some money in the bank. So that's

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<v Speaker 3>the new chair has the ability to have some cushion

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<v Speaker 3>going into their their term. I don't know what that

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<v Speaker 3>figure is. I mean, you know, but uh sixty four

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<v Speaker 3>thousand dollars or whatever, I think I think that was

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<v Speaker 3>the figure I saw on that FEC report. That's that's

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<v Speaker 3>certainly not chump change. The bottom line is that any

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<v Speaker 3>chairman has the responsibility to raise money and they have to.

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<v Speaker 3>They have to, and that requires going to big donors

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<v Speaker 3>and and raising money from them, and and having a

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<v Speaker 3>really solid grass roots fund raising them uh program with

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<v Speaker 3>with social media and and mail and and so ultimately

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<v Speaker 3>the chair the chair whoever it is, has to dig

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<v Speaker 3>in and start start raising money and that's a big response.

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<v Speaker 3>That's probably one of the biggest responsibilities of any chairman

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<v Speaker 4>Well.

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<v Speaker 2>That actually leads to my next question, Dick. So we

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<v Speaker 2>have Britta coming in. She I think she's trying to

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<v Speaker 2>just say, hey, in the sake of transparency, here's the data,

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<v Speaker 2>as I understand it. She put it out there. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>I think people are going to read into it what

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<v Speaker 2>they want. You know, there was It's easy to see

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<v Speaker 2>that Dave Williams was paying himself through his consulting firm

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<v Speaker 2>what I would call a salary for the last few months,

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<v Speaker 2>which is not anything inappropriate. It's funny how it was documented.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, I think I think she was trying

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<v Speaker 2>to just say, clear the errors. Here's where we're at now.

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<v Speaker 2>Having said all that, Britta's goal is to get Republicans elected.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think that we are in a place in

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<v Speaker 2>this state where Republicans can start to get some win

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<v Speaker 2>in their sales and say, Okay, we're turning the page,

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<v Speaker 2>we're moving forward. Can Britta go out and help raise money?

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<v Speaker 2>And I guess second to that, Dick, do you think

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<v Speaker 2>there's the candidates out there to inspire Republicans to donate.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, this is the problem, Steve, is that we have

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<v Speaker 3>a dramatically changed electorate from what it was as recently

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<v Speaker 3>as ten years ago. And that's largely been driven by

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<v Speaker 3>all the new people who moved here. Now that migration

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<v Speaker 3>into the state has largely kind of flattened, but it

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<v Speaker 3>was it was massive for a while. That's why we

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<v Speaker 3>got the eighth congressional district, which you're certainly familiar with,

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<v Speaker 3>familiar from Well County. And we essentially eight hundred thousand

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<v Speaker 3>people moved here over about a fifteen year period, but

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<v Speaker 3>largely the last ten that last ten year period, and

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<v Speaker 3>more liberal, and their social attitudes and unfortunately they are

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<v Speaker 3>very they have been very anti Trump, and they greatly

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<v Speaker 3>impacted the twenty the twenty sixteen election when Trump lost

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<v Speaker 3>to Hillary Clinton by four points, When Trump losts to

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<v Speaker 3>Biden in twenty twenty, in twenty twenty by fourteen points,

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<v Speaker 3>he lost too, He lost to Hillary by four points

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<v Speaker 3>in twenty sixteen, and then in twenty twenty four he

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<v Speaker 3>lost to Paris by eleven And the bottom line is

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<v Speaker 3>that those victories for Democrats and those presidential elections here

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<v Speaker 3>in Colorado were driven by these new voters. So the

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<v Speaker 3>question is are they just gone to us forever. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't think they are, And I would point to you

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<v Speaker 3>to the proposition ahh, property tax proposal that was on

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<v Speaker 3>the ballot supported by every Democrat in Colorado in twenty

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<v Speaker 3>twenty three, down in Flame by twenty points. So I

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<v Speaker 3>think that tells us that a lot of these voters

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<v Speaker 3>will vote are more conservative in they're economic out looks,

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<v Speaker 3>and so that we have a chance of them in

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<v Speaker 3>the future.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, by all the pulling out there, the younger

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<v Speaker 2>voters on the on the scene, the ones that survived

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<v Speaker 2>through the COVID era, if you will, Uh, there's there

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<v Speaker 2>tending to vote way more conservative, and those people are

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<v Speaker 2>in the voting age now. So hopefully that's where we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to get to.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and this legislature, my lord, can can it get

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<v Speaker 3>any worse? I mean, every time I think it cannot

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<v Speaker 3>get any worse, it does.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, don't down.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah exactly. And you know, it just seems to me

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<v Speaker 3>at some point, Steve, we're going to hit a breaking

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<v Speaker 3>point in Colorado where people are going to realize, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>these people in the legislature are the ones who responsible

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<v Speaker 3>for the constant living, for the crime, for the homelessness,

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<v Speaker 3>for all the things that are for the fact that

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<v Speaker 3>so many people that their education system is broken, and

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<v Speaker 3>they've they've been in power, they have been in total

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<v Speaker 3>power for so long, and then there could there will

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<v Speaker 3>be a breaking point well occur this election cycle. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know, but I do think that Democrats make you

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<v Speaker 3>feeling bolden that they can past anything on the part

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<v Speaker 3>of us that they want to.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Dick, I appreciate you coming on at the start

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<v Speaker 2>of the show. I know that your time is valuable.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to cut to a break, but thanks for

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<v Speaker 2>being on with us, even if you weren't the most

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<v Speaker 2>encouraging person out there, but there's still hope. Dick again,

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks and you're listening to the Dankplas Show here on

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<v Speaker 2>six point thirty Khi. We'll cut the break.

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<v Speaker 5>And now back to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast.

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<v Speaker 6>Also, a bill aimed at enhancing civil rights for Colorado

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<v Speaker 6>immigrants heads back to the Senate after the House made

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<v Speaker 6>some amendments yesterday afternoon. State Senate sponsors will now have

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<v Speaker 6>a committee to negotiate them. The bill would restrict agents

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<v Speaker 6>from going into non public areas in places like hospitals, jails,

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<v Speaker 6>could share with the FEDS, including a person's immigration status.

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<v Speaker 7>Going in depth, the immigration bill could bring more attention

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<v Speaker 7>from the White House. The Trump administration already suing Colorado

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<v Speaker 7>and Denver over their immigration policies.

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<v Speaker 4>That lawsuit was filed just this past Friday.

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<v Speaker 7>On top of that, President Donald Trump signed an executive

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<v Speaker 7>order on Monday directing the US Attorney General and Homeland

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<v Speaker 7>Security to identify what they consider to be sanctuary jurisdictions.

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<v Speaker 7>Those jurisdictions could then lose federal funding.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back to the Dan Kaplis Show. You got well

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<v Speaker 2>Kenny Sheriff Steve Riams sitting in the hot seat today.

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<v Speaker 2>truly win on in this state, and that's still the

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<v Speaker 2>topic of a legal immigration and whether or not this

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<v Speaker 2>state is in fact a sanctuary state, even though Governor

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<v Speaker 2>Poulis repeatedly says this is not a sanctuary state. I

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<v Speaker 2>live here, I work here in law enforcement. I've never

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<v Speaker 2>known of a state to be more of a sanctuary

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<v Speaker 2>state than this. When I first got here in the studio,

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<v Speaker 2>sat down with Ryan and we were kind of going

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<v Speaker 2>there's not one definite definition of what a sanctuary state is.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's kind of one of those things. When you

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<v Speaker 2>see it, you know what it is. And when you

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<v Speaker 2>drive through Colorado, especially if you drive through Denver or Aurora,

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<v Speaker 2>especially certain parts of Aurora, you know you're in a

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<v Speaker 2>sanctuary state. There's no ifs ands or butts. You know

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<v Speaker 2>that we are inviting a certain type of person to

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<v Speaker 2>great numbers. So, having said all that, I'd like to

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<v Speaker 2>invite all of you to call in text in let

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<v Speaker 2>me know your thoughts on what you think makes a

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<v Speaker 2>sanctuary state and is Colorado one of those places you

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<v Speaker 2>can text in text start your text with Dan to

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<v Speaker 2>five seven seven three nine, or you can call in

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<v Speaker 2>three O three seven one three eight two fivey five.

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<v Speaker 2>I love to interact with the caller, so again that's

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<v Speaker 2>three oh three seven, one, three eight, two five five,

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<v Speaker 2>And kind of to start things up, Alexa, one of

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<v Speaker 2>the crowd favorites out there, she texts in share frames,

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<v Speaker 2>there isn't much I respect about the Dems. However, Dems

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<v Speaker 2>are like the Italian extended families. They may fight like

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<v Speaker 2>haities internally, but externally they present a united front. Colorado

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<v Speaker 2>and National Republicans always air their dirty laundry to everyone.

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<v Speaker 2>I wish they could be rowing in the same direction

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<v Speaker 2>instead of all this internal fighting. So sick of this, Alex,

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't agree more. That's kind of how we started

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<v Speaker 2>the show off with. You know, hey, we got to

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<v Speaker 2>get past this. And again, I think what Chairwoman Britta

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<v Speaker 2>Horn did by kind of saying, all right, this is

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<v Speaker 2>the starting point for my tenure, even if it is

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<v Speaker 2>a little ways into that process. She's saying, this is

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<v Speaker 2>the books I was handed. You guys can make your

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<v Speaker 2>own judgment. I'm moving forward from here. At least that's

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<v Speaker 2>what I hope the message is. And then how do

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<v Speaker 2>we raise money, how do we get people elected? And

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<v Speaker 2>most all, most of all, how do we bring this

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<v Speaker 2>state back from the brink of pure disaster? I mean again,

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<v Speaker 2>when I drive down to the studios each day when

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<v Speaker 2>I'm covering for Dan, I get to see things that

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<v Speaker 2>I don't see in my typical drives around Weld County.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you might be surprised by this if you're

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<v Speaker 2>a listener out there and haven't been to Weld County.

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<v Speaker 4>We still uphold the rule of law.

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<v Speaker 2>We still don't fit the definition of what a sanctuary

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<v Speaker 2>state would be. We've very much pushed back on that,

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<v Speaker 2>and so while Denver and Aurora may embrace that label,

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<v Speaker 2>Weald County does not. Most of the cities in Weald

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<v Speaker 2>County do not, the town's whatever you want to call them,

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<v Speaker 2>the municipalities. We still believe in supporting Colorado citizens and

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<v Speaker 2>doing so first to protect our state and not doing

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<v Speaker 2>so secondarily to protect people who shouldn't even be in

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<v Speaker 2>this state. But as we're talking about Senate Bill two

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<v Speaker 2>seventy six, you know, the question is will the governor

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<v Speaker 2>sign it, will he put his name to it, will

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<v Speaker 2>he say this is what I believe in? And some

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<v Speaker 2>of the things that have been outlined by different folks

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<v Speaker 2>about this bill they're pretty shocking, but one I think

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<v Speaker 2>the most shocking part, like We've already passed House Bill

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen eleven twenty four in the state of Colorado that

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<v Speaker 2>says local law enforcement cannot detain an illegal immigrant past

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<v Speaker 2>their release date on behalf of ICE. We can't honor

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<v Speaker 2>their quote unquote administrative warrants. That being said, there was

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<v Speaker 2>never a provision that we couldn't have ICE come into

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<v Speaker 2>the building. You know, if they did have some kind

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<v Speaker 2>of legal reason to be there, they wanted to interview someone,

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<v Speaker 2>we didn't have to treat them like second class law

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<v Speaker 2>enforcement citizens. But Senebill two seventy six goes even farther

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<v Speaker 2>than that. It says, not only can you not work

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<v Speaker 2>with ICE in any fundamental way, but you can't even

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<v Speaker 2>let them in your building. I mean, that's just that's

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<v Speaker 2>such a slap in the face to what their mission is.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's also a slap in the face to local

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<v Speaker 2>law enforcement. We catch a guy, we get him convicted.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's say his, he or she's time is up in

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<v Speaker 2>the county jail. ICE has every reason to come get

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<v Speaker 2>them and send them back to their country. They have

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<v Speaker 2>a window of opportunity to do so, they get there

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<v Speaker 2>before that person is supposed to be released. I can't

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<v Speaker 2>even let them in my jail to do that in

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<v Speaker 2>a secured facility so that no one gets hurt. Under

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<v Speaker 2>this bill, I have to let that person go out

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<v Speaker 2>onto the street and say good luck. Ice, see if

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<v Speaker 2>you can catch them. I mean, that's just it's it's

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<v Speaker 2>beyond the pale of what is stupid. You know, Denver's

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<v Speaker 2>been doing this. On a few of the few occasions

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<v Speaker 2>ICE has had to chase guys down, They've gotten people

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<v Speaker 2>hurt in the process. That's what this bill is asking

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<v Speaker 2>to become the norm for law enforcement. If that's not

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<v Speaker 2>a campaign issue for Republicans to stand on, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know what is. Here's another text. It says Sheriff Steve,

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<v Speaker 2>if I was going to create a sanctuary state, I

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<v Speaker 2>do exactly what the DIMS have done. That's Steven little

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<v Speaker 2>Tony's retired l e O. You hit the nail on

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<v Speaker 2>the head, Steve. I mean, this is the definition of

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<v Speaker 2>a sanctuary state.

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<v Speaker 4>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>I know we've tried to claw back and say no,

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<v Speaker 2>this can't happen, but it's here. It's here, folks. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just so frustrated. I'm tired of living in this in

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<v Speaker 2>this make believe land of no sanctuary state, but seeing

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<v Speaker 2>it slap me in the face every day.

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<v Speaker 4>All Right, we're gonna go to break.

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<v Speaker 2>When we come back, we'll have District Attorney Michael Rourke

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<v Speaker 2>from welld County on and he can talk to you

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<v Speaker 2>about some of these same issues. You listen to the

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<v Speaker 2>Dan Caplis Show here on six point.

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<v Speaker 4>Thirty k how.

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<v Speaker 5>You're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back to the Dan Caplis Show with well Kenny

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<v Speaker 2>Sheriff Steve Raims sittting in the driver's seat today and

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<v Speaker 2>on the phone with us. We've got the district attorney

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<v Speaker 2>for my county, Weld County, out of the nineteenth Judicial District,

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<v Speaker 2>Michael Rourke. How are you doing this afternoon?

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<v Speaker 8>Hey, Sheriff, Good afternoon, Thanks for having me on.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, thanks for coming on. You know, we talked a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit earlier, I guess last week at the end

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<v Speaker 2>of the week about some ideas for the show, and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, obviously there's some things that have developed over

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<v Speaker 2>the weekend with the FEDS dropping a lawsuit on the

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<v Speaker 2>state of Colorado, so we got to start with a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit of that, and I know I didn't prep

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<v Speaker 2>here for that But what do you think is there

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<v Speaker 2>any chance of this federal lawsuit changing the tide here

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<v Speaker 2>in Colorado on some of these sanctuary bills.

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<v Speaker 8>And I sure hope so, Sheriff, because like we talked about,

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<v Speaker 8>and I know we'll get into a couple of other topics,

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<v Speaker 8>but I heard you're talking in the last segment about,

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<v Speaker 8>you know, Colorado being a sanctuary state. Not only is

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<v Speaker 8>it a sanctuary state, it's become a sanctuary for crime state.

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<v Speaker 8>And certainly I think that the threat of this lawsuit,

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<v Speaker 8>or the existence of this lawsuit specifically, I hope causes

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<v Speaker 8>some reasonable minds to reconsider the policies that has the

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<v Speaker 8>you and I talk about all the time. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 8>sure hope.

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<v Speaker 4>So.

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<v Speaker 8>I don't know if it will actually make a difference

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<v Speaker 8>in the long run, but I sure hope it does.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, there's always a way to set precedents,

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<v Speaker 2>and I hate to see it have to happen through lawsuits,

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<v Speaker 2>But at this point, I don't think there's any way

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<v Speaker 2>of changing the tide from what our crazy legislature is doing.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, you hit a huge topic, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>that Colorado has become a crime sanctuary. What does your

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<v Speaker 2>docket look like in Weld County? Do you have enough

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<v Speaker 2>prosecutors to even begin to try to tackle the amount

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<v Speaker 2>World County.

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<v Speaker 8>But let me give you a statistic that I think

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<v Speaker 8>can help answer that question real quickly. On average a

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<v Speaker 8>community of our size, you know, World County being roughly

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<v Speaker 8>three hundred thousand people on average. Over the last decade

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<v Speaker 8>or so, we've tried to a jury somewhere in the

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<v Speaker 8>neighborhood of fifty to fifty five felony trials, which is

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<v Speaker 8>a significant case load for my prosecutors, for your deputies,

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<v Speaker 8>for police officers in the municipalities. So fifty five on

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<v Speaker 8>average so far this year, including this week, we are

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<v Speaker 8>already at thirty eight felony trials and it's May fifth.

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<v Speaker 8>These are felony trials that are homicides, attempted murders, crimes

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<v Speaker 8>against children, sexual assaults. These are cases that I think

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<v Speaker 8>our public expects to be in trial. And that's five months,

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<v Speaker 8>you know, not even five months, four months right into

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<v Speaker 8>at thirty eight.

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<v Speaker 4>You're happy past.

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<v Speaker 8>Your average exactly. Math is not my strong suit, but

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<v Speaker 8>I'll work for it. But yeah, it is a massive

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<v Speaker 8>problem that we're having right now, and we are all

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so a.

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<v Speaker 2>Couple of topics. We have bail reform that kind of

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<v Speaker 2>landed in our state a couple of legislative sessions ago,

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<v Speaker 2>and a lot of people go, little, bail reform, What

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<v Speaker 2>can that mean? I mean, you know, we don't want

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<v Speaker 2>people being overly punished and held in jail if they shouldn't.

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<v Speaker 2>What has bail reform actually done to your job and

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<v Speaker 2>my job in a lot of ways? And try to

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<v Speaker 2>explain that to the listeners what bail reform actually means?

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<v Speaker 8>Sure, what bail form. The talking points for bail reform is,

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<v Speaker 8>we don't want to keep somebody in jail simply because

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<v Speaker 8>they can't afford financially to post a bond. Makes sense

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<v Speaker 8>on fathe However, what I think that that talking point

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<v Speaker 8>seems to ignore is that a judge a magistrate, after

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<v Speaker 8>listening to an argument from a prosecutor and from the

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<v Speaker 8>other side, is going to set a reasonable amount of

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<v Speaker 8>bond based upon a defendant's criminal history. A defendant's prior

427
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<v Speaker 8>failure to appear rate. And what we have seen is

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<v Speaker 8>with the systematic reduction of bonds and the increase of

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<v Speaker 8>the issue on sub personal recognizance bond, we are seeing

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<v Speaker 8>the same repeat offenders over and over and over. Hit

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<v Speaker 8>your jail, bond out, go back out onto our streets,

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<v Speaker 8>create a new victim, create another crime, hit your jail again.

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<v Speaker 8>And it is a massive revolving door. And so despite

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<v Speaker 8>arguments from good public safety minded prosecutors to judges, because

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<v Speaker 8>of some of the things the legislature has done to us,

436
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<v Speaker 8>we have defendants who are getting back out on the

437
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<v Speaker 8>street pre trial, committing new offenses and having multiple cases

438
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<v Speaker 8>rack up while they are waiting for their first case

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<v Speaker 8>go to trial. This is the same effort that we

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<v Speaker 8>saw in Oregon. It's the same effort we saw in

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<v Speaker 8>New York. And all of a sudden, the State of

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<v Speaker 8>New York is rolling back bail reform because they realized

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<v Speaker 8>it didn't work. It made us less safe as a community.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and it's making Colorado less safe, There's no doubt

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<v Speaker 2>about it. I can throw a few names out there

446
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<v Speaker 2>of individuals we've had to arrest twelve and thirteen times

447
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<v Speaker 2>before we could ever get them to a trial on

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<v Speaker 2>you know, those first couple of cases. And I'm sure

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<v Speaker 2>you have names that stick in your brain for the

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<v Speaker 2>same thing. So one other thing that you and I

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<v Speaker 2>have discussed is the mental competency issues in the state

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<v Speaker 2>of Colorado. And I can argue that there's a whole

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<v Speaker 2>bunch of things that affect mental competency, but I think

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<v Speaker 2>that's being used as a crutch right now. And I

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<v Speaker 2>know this is a thing that burns you a hole

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<v Speaker 2>in your gut, But talk to the listeners a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit about what that mental competency status is doing to

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<v Speaker 2>your ability to try criminals.

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<v Speaker 8>Let me back up and give you one little piece

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<v Speaker 8>to kind of set the stage. Sure, we have a

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<v Speaker 8>massive backlog at the state level in terms of getting

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<v Speaker 8>competency or insanity evaluations done and then efforts to restore

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<v Speaker 8>defendance to competency.

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<v Speaker 2>You mean the state's not doing its job? Is that

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<v Speaker 2>what I just heard you say?

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<v Speaker 8>Shock, It is what you heard me say. Yes, you're correct.

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<v Speaker 8>And so therefore, the federal government had, the federal courts

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<v Speaker 8>had to step in and put Colorado under a consent decree,

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<v Speaker 8>which says that the State of Colorado will be fined

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<v Speaker 8>if you don't hit certain benchmarks in order to in

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<v Speaker 8>getting restoration proceedings or competency services being done in a

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<v Speaker 8>more timely fashion for defendants. In response to that, what

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<v Speaker 8>the legislature did is didn't give you more evaluators, didn't

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<v Speaker 8>give you more competency restoration services individuals. In fact, they're

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<v Speaker 8>cutting back on those individuals. What they did was they

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<v Speaker 8>wrote a statute that took effect a couple of years

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<v Speaker 8>ago and amended it a couple of times since then,

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<v Speaker 8>which says, if you're charged with a certain level of

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<v Speaker 8>offense and you're found to be incompetent, your charges are

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<v Speaker 8>automatically dismissed. For other somewhat more significant charges, if you

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<v Speaker 8>sit in your jail or are on restoration services for

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<v Speaker 8>six months or one year and haven't been restored, your

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<v Speaker 8>charges are dismissed. So what we're seeing is defendants who

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<v Speaker 8>have three, four or five cases being dismissed. They go

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<v Speaker 8>back out onto our streets, pull guns on individuals, stab

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<v Speaker 8>other people. They come back into your jail, into my courtrooms,

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<v Speaker 8>and now we are left with the case being dismissed

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<v Speaker 8>again because there's a presumption that once you've been found

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<v Speaker 8>and competent, you're going to be found and competent again.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's just an easy pathway for someone to get

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<v Speaker 2>basically a get out of jail free card. So all right,

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<v Speaker 2>having said all that, what does that look like for

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, what is the long term fix for that?

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<v Speaker 2>Is there one without changing the law?

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<v Speaker 8>I think that without changing the law that the answer.

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<v Speaker 8>And I hate to say this because I am a

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<v Speaker 8>good conservative steward of taxpayer dollars, it has to be

498
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<v Speaker 8>funding additional, additional evaluators and treatment providers. Because we are

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<v Speaker 8>not going to be able to legislate our way out

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<v Speaker 8>of this. We have got to treat the problem where

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<v Speaker 8>the problem exists, and that is with individuals with mental

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<v Speaker 8>health issues that are causing them to commit these crimes

503
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<v Speaker 8>over and over again, victimizing our communities.

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<v Speaker 2>Board ends up in a and what we none of

505
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<v Speaker 2>us want to be involved in, and that's a police

506
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<v Speaker 2>shooting where suspect is killed or officers get hurt, or

507
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<v Speaker 2>innocent people get hurt. And I think that is that's

508
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<v Speaker 2>on the rise in the state of Colorado, and it

509
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<v Speaker 2>has to be at least in part due to these

510
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<v Speaker 2>same things.

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<v Speaker 8>Absolutely, that's exactly right. And you know as well as

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<v Speaker 8>I do. What you just hit on is exactly right.

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<v Speaker 8>We have individuals who've been involved in officer involved shootings

514
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<v Speaker 8>because of mental health issues. We charge them because they

515
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<v Speaker 8>have survived that encounter with law enforcement, luckily, and we

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<v Speaker 8>charge them. They are found incompetent. We can't restore them

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<v Speaker 8>to competency in a timely fashion, and so the charges

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<v Speaker 8>are dismissed. Again, this individual that I'm thinking of here

519
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<v Speaker 8>in Greeley is back on our streets, law enforcement having

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<v Speaker 8>to deal with that individual again.

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<v Speaker 4>What could possibly go wrong? Well, we said exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>I think in the state of Colorado, we've said time

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<v Speaker 2>and time again, if you want to fix the mental

524
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<v Speaker 2>health problem or mental health crisis we have here, you

525
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<v Speaker 2>have to first admit that you have a crisis. But

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<v Speaker 2>that's just like the issue with sanctuary st you have

527
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<v Speaker 2>to admit that you've become one in order to get

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<v Speaker 2>back off the brink. Michael, I know you're in your

529
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<v Speaker 2>last term as district attorney. You've been there this year.

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<v Speaker 2>You're going into your what nineth year? Is that correct?

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<v Speaker 8>Actually I just started year yeah, okay, ten tier, So.

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<v Speaker 2>It seems to me, since we're kind of looking on

533
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<v Speaker 2>the horizon of maybe needing an attorney general candidate. You

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<v Speaker 2>know you can't be the district attorney in world forever.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you're done there. This would be a perfectly

536
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<v Speaker 2>good time for you to announce that candidacy if you

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<v Speaker 2>chose to.

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<v Speaker 8>Suff I sure wish we would have talked about this

539
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<v Speaker 8>on radio. You and I have talked about it off

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<v Speaker 8>off record, and I am very happy where I'm at

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<v Speaker 8>right now. I am very happy serving the wonderful citizens

542
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<v Speaker 8>that you and I get to here in will County.

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<v Speaker 8>And I'll figure out what I'm going to do with

544
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<v Speaker 8>it at the end of my term.

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<v Speaker 4>At the end of my term, that's fair enough.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, if you decide you want to break

547
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<v Speaker 2>that news, I'm sure there'll be an opportunity in the

548
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<v Speaker 2>future when I'm filling in for Dan again, and so

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<v Speaker 2>we'll just schedule that somewhere down the road.

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<v Speaker 8>But Michael Good, my good friend Steve Reams will be

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<v Speaker 8>the first to know.

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<v Speaker 2>Michael, I couldn't ask for a better partner in what

553
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<v Speaker 2>we do in Welld County. You've been a great prosecutor

554
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<v Speaker 2>and I know you'll continue to do that through the

555
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<v Speaker 2>end of your term. Thanks for coming on the show.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks for educating us all a little bit about some

557
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<v Speaker 2>of the hurdles that you're going through. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>if you want to leave us with a parting shot,

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<v Speaker 2>what could Colorado do to say, all right, let's turn

560
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<v Speaker 2>the tide. What do you think that one magic.

561
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<v Speaker 8>Bullet is That one magic bullet is to get back

562
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<v Speaker 8>to thinking, let's take care of and worry about public

563
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<v Speaker 8>safety first, everything else second.

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<v Speaker 2>That makes perfect sense to me. Michael, again, thanks for

565
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<v Speaker 2>coming on. That's the Well County District Attorney, nineteenth District,

566
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<v Speaker 2>nineteenth Judicial District Attorney, Michael Rourke. I'm sure at some

567
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<v Speaker 2>point we'll hear that he's running for attorney general. But

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<v Speaker 2>thanks for being on with us. We're going to cut

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<v Speaker 2>to a break. You're listening to the Dan Kaplas Show

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<v Speaker 2>here on six point thirty k how with Well Kenny Sheriff,

571
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<v Speaker 2>Steve Reams.

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<v Speaker 5>And now back to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back to the Dan Kaplas Show with Well Kenny

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<v Speaker 2>Sheriff Steve setting in as the substitute today and of

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<v Speaker 2>all the songs I thought I'd ever come back to

576
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<v Speaker 2>on a radio show. That's not it, But I actually

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<v Speaker 2>liked that song. That's got a little bit of a

578
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<v Speaker 2>throwback there. While we were away at break. Got a

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<v Speaker 2>few texts coming in, but I want to remind you

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<v Speaker 2>our text number is five seven, seven three nine. Start

581
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<v Speaker 2>your text out with Dan. Send in whatever you want.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll do my best to answer it. A lot of

583
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<v Speaker 2>good comments coming in also, you can call in three

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<v Speaker 2>oh three seven one three eight two five five. The

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<v Speaker 2>question of the day is is Colorado a sanctuary state?

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<v Speaker 2>And I'll add this to it. If you think it's

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<v Speaker 2>a sanctuary state, what's that thing that trips your trigger

588
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<v Speaker 2>and says yep, we're a sanctuary state. Other than just

589
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<v Speaker 2>you know the fact that police gets on the news

590
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<v Speaker 2>and says no, we are not a sanctuary state when

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<v Speaker 2>he looks into the camera and just bold face lies.

592
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<v Speaker 2>But a few of the texts that come in says Steve,

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<v Speaker 2>Colorado has a perfectly good, hardly been used prison up

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<v Speaker 2>in Hudson that can hold a lot of illegal criminals.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm so glad that this text are sent it in.

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<v Speaker 2>This is Dan from northern Colorado. He is absolutely correct,

597
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<v Speaker 2>and believe it or not, the Trump administration is actually

598
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<v Speaker 2>looking at that prison and trying to figure out how

599
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<v Speaker 2>to get that thing reopened so that they can serve

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<v Speaker 2>the western part of the United States here, Colorado, Idaho, Nebraska.

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<v Speaker 2>And I know this because I happen to have been

602
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<v Speaker 2>the one to plug the ownership group for that prison

603
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<v Speaker 2>in with the Trump administration. And we're doing our best.

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<v Speaker 2>I shouldn't say we. I'm not working on it anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>I just connected the dots, but trying to get that

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<v Speaker 2>thing open so that they do have a place other

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<v Speaker 2>than just the facility down in Aurora, which is jam

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<v Speaker 2>packed right now. The prison up in Hudson, I believe

609
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<v Speaker 2>holds fourteen hundred people, so definitely could speed up the

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<v Speaker 2>process if we can get that thing reopened. Another one here. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>Colorado is a sanctuary state, and I hope the people

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<v Speaker 2>who deemed it that and help the illegals get here

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<v Speaker 2>get prosecuted. Boy, that's no truer words have been spoken.

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<v Speaker 2>And it looks like we got a collar on the line.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll give give him just a second to get all

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<v Speaker 2>their details out. While we're waiting on that, someone asked, Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>do you know the status of the awful HB thirteen twelve.

618
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<v Speaker 2>I just looked it up while we were at break.

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<v Speaker 2>It looks like it went to the Senate at nine

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<v Speaker 2>point thirty for floor work, whatever that means. So it's

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<v Speaker 2>not to the governor's desk yet. I guess there's still

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<v Speaker 2>hope that it could die a fiery death, but I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think that's a very realistic view at this point.

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<v Speaker 2>So we're gonna probably end up getting that thing on

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<v Speaker 2>the governor's desk, and I don't think there's any chance

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<v Speaker 2>that he doesn't sign it at this point. So who knows.

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<v Speaker 2>Do we have our caller ready? Ryan, Yeah, it's all

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<v Speaker 2>coming down to Kelly. Oh, Kelly probably got another call

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<v Speaker 2>coming here. You're very popular. She's failing us, failing us

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<v Speaker 2>f minus.

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<v Speaker 4>That's the great she gets you.

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<v Speaker 2>She's probably too busy having a conversation with the caller.

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<v Speaker 2>Didn't didn't get the caller on the line. That's okay,

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<v Speaker 2>keep going with the text, right, Yeah, we'll do that,

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<v Speaker 2>it says sheriff. What needs to happen is for this

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<v Speaker 2>new bill, Trump needs to pull all federal funds and

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<v Speaker 2>let the state raise even more taxes so the Dems

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<v Speaker 2>will leave him. We can vote this come out you know,

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<v Speaker 2>that's actually pretty strategic. So we take away all the

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<v Speaker 2>federal funds. The Dems taxes to death. They tax themselves

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<v Speaker 2>out of control, and then they have to leave.

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<v Speaker 4>I love it.

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<v Speaker 2>That's pretty painful in the process though. On So we

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<v Speaker 2>got Paul from Colorado Springs. Paul, what do you have

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<v Speaker 2>to say to us?

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<v Speaker 9>Well, I like to say I was born and raised

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<v Speaker 9>in dem Colorado, around twenty years ago. I moved to

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<v Speaker 9>Las Vegas, Nevada, relocated back two years ago. And I

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<v Speaker 9>gotta tell you, I am discussing with the state. Yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 9>kevinar he's a joke, And I'll tell you why he's

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<v Speaker 9>over here passing these guns laws. They're so worried about

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<v Speaker 9>the gun laws, but they can't even protect their own

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<v Speaker 9>state border. You're letting all these people in and you're

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<v Speaker 9>worried about a gun law, but all these illegals that

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<v Speaker 9>are coming in. And my other thing is you can't

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<v Speaker 9>go and help the police, say iyes, okay, I understand

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<v Speaker 9>that I don't agree with it, but why can't I

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<v Speaker 9>break the law, go hide in the church in a school.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, so, you know, absolutely no sense, that's a that's

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<v Speaker 4>a great question.

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<v Speaker 2>We've got kind of a cast system set up where

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<v Speaker 2>if you're an illegal, it's almost like you get more

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<v Speaker 2>provisions from the law than if you're a regular US citizen.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it makes no sense. In your time away

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<v Speaker 2>when you were in Nevada and then coming back, why

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<v Speaker 2>the heck did you come back?

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<v Speaker 9>Well, my mother's eighty seven years old. Okay, that's fair, laceship,

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<v Speaker 9>and my son stayed here, you know, living in Nevada,

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<v Speaker 9>and they all agree with men. And you know this

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<v Speaker 9>is going to really get you. I'm a registered Democrat.

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<v Speaker 9>I've been a Democrat my whole life, forty some years.

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<v Speaker 9>You know, since you get out of high school, you

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<v Speaker 9>register and you're sign up for the military. But it's

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<v Speaker 9>just amazing how people here just don't see it. And

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<v Speaker 9>you know, one other thing is Colorado is so high

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<v Speaker 9>on affordable living, affordable housing.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, where do you find it?

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<v Speaker 9>Well, not only where you're correct, but my thing is,

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<v Speaker 9>why don't you help people where they can afford the house?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you mean, get rid of some of the fees

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<v Speaker 2>and taxes that they're killing us with in this state. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I can't imagine why that would be a good policy.

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<v Speaker 9>But Paul belieb Well had one of the best mayors

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<v Speaker 9>Oscar Goodman. If this if this mayor here wants to

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<v Speaker 9>learn some go talk to the good ones in Las Vegas.

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<v Speaker 9>She'll show you how to straighten it out.

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<v Speaker 2>Fair enough, fair enough, Paul, thanks for calling in. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>sorry you moved back to a state that kind of

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<v Speaker 2>left its left its mind at the door. But uh,

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<v Speaker 2>welcome back to Colorado. Nonetheless, and thanks for calling in.

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<v Speaker 6>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 9>We're gonna change it.

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<v Speaker 2>You bet all right. We're going to cut the brake

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<v Speaker 2>when we come back. We'll have plenty of time to

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<v Speaker 2>get to your text and your calls. Keep them coming

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<v Speaker 2>in again. That's five seven seven three nine. Start your

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<v Speaker 2>text with Dan or three O three seven one three

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<v Speaker 2>eight two five five call in. Let's let's have a conversation.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's see where we can get this thing going. You're

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<v Speaker 2>listening to Steve Reims covering for Dan kaplis here on

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<v Speaker 2>six thirty k how we'll be back right after this

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<v Speaker 2>break