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<v Speaker 1>Multiple people in my family clean my father, are veterans.

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<v Speaker 2>And the troops that have been de war and now

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<v Speaker 2>they're back.

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<v Speaker 3>And think and be grateful for their service.

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<v Speaker 2>Sacrifice, love for their country, just unselfishness, all that they

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<v Speaker 2>do for us.

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<v Speaker 1>There are some people in this country who take extraordinary

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<v Speaker 1>steps to provide for the freedom and security.

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<v Speaker 2>We forget that those people exist.

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<v Speaker 1>We know them as the Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines,

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<v Speaker 1>and Coast Guard. They call themselves soldiers, seals, rangers, airmen, sailors,

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<v Speaker 1>devil dogs, and so much more. We call them fathers, brothers,

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<v Speaker 1>sons and husbands, mothers, daughters, sisters and wives. We call

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<v Speaker 1>them friend and neighbor. These veterans answered the call. Now

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<v Speaker 1>we answer Theirs are the best our country has to offer.

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<v Speaker 2>And we love them.

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<v Speaker 1>Today, we honor them and we serve them. David Malsby

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<v Speaker 1>is your host, and he welcomes you to this community

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<v Speaker 1>of veterans, as together we are building.

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<v Speaker 2>The road to hope, and indeed we are glad to

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<v Speaker 2>have you along. On a Sunday, it's not just any Sunday.

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<v Speaker 2>It is Easter Sunday, the greatest day of the year

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<v Speaker 2>for those of the Christian faith, the resurrection of Jesus Christ,

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<v Speaker 2>the new life that we have represented in that, all

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<v Speaker 2>that was one, in that the greatest victory the world

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<v Speaker 2>has ever known. Happy Easter to everyone out there, Glad

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<v Speaker 2>Easter Sunday. Got Brandon back. Good to see you, brother,

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<v Speaker 2>good to see Want to reintroduce yourself to the world.

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<v Speaker 4>Absolutely. My name is Brandon Hartsburg. I'm a retired staffs

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<v Speaker 4>aren't from the United States Army and lead mentor Camp Hope.

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<v Speaker 4>She is happy to be here.

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<v Speaker 2>How long has it been that you've been on staff? Now?

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<v Speaker 4>It's going on four long years, four good years. You

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<v Speaker 4>know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 2>For good years. So what does a lead mentor do?

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<v Speaker 2>What's his day? Well, I don't know. Every day is

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<v Speaker 2>a different day, but it just gives up folks an idea.

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<v Speaker 4>We pretty much run the whole campus and we save

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<v Speaker 4>lives every day. Now, we just managed the mentors and

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<v Speaker 4>we oversee a lot of scheduling training. We just make

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<v Speaker 4>sure our mentors are doing their job at the same time.

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<v Speaker 4>We interact with the residents too, and if there's if

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<v Speaker 4>there's issues that come up or situations they can't you know,

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<v Speaker 4>we get involved a lot more emails, a lot more

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<v Speaker 4>counselor stuff. Just we try to keep the mentor completely

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<v Speaker 4>focused on taking care of his guys and working with them,

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<v Speaker 4>so we try to protect him from everything else and

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<v Speaker 4>just make sure all that stuff squared away.

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<v Speaker 2>Very cool. Grateful that you're there, too, Grateful for what

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<v Speaker 2>you're doing. So blessing. I'm going to te one up

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<v Speaker 2>for you here probably the next segment, give you a

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<v Speaker 2>chance to go on a little bit of a assist Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>sophomore points. Yeah, give you a chance also on the

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<v Speaker 2>show with us Today's guy. That's in our program right

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<v Speaker 2>now at Camp Hope, which by the way, it is

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<v Speaker 2>interim housing program of the PTSD Foundation of America. We

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<v Speaker 2>bring veterans in from every era of combat. We have

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<v Speaker 2>veterans from every branch. We haven't had space forcehet but

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<v Speaker 2>it's coming. It'll happen with these days, but anyway, combat

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<v Speaker 2>related post traumatic stress. The program is designed to be

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<v Speaker 2>six to nine months in length. Some take a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit longer than that, based on a number of issues circumstances.

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<v Speaker 2>But the point of that simply is it's not a

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<v Speaker 2>quick let's sit around the camp fires and kumba and

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<v Speaker 2>then everything's good. It is an intensive program. It's all

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<v Speaker 2>at zero cost to the veteran or their family. But

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<v Speaker 2>I want to introduce you to Lawrence Lornt. You want

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<v Speaker 2>to introduce yourself to the world. Aye, there's a chance, man,

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<v Speaker 2>jump on a go for it.

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<v Speaker 5>My name is Lawrence Brave, Born and raised Atlanta, Georgia.

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<v Speaker 5>I served ten years in the US Army down at

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<v Speaker 5>Fort Stewart, third Infantry Division, went to a RAQ, served

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<v Speaker 5>there for three years of my life. Came back with

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<v Speaker 5>some scars, came back with some wounds that I didn't

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<v Speaker 5>even know I had, you know, went through two marriages

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<v Speaker 5>and my second marriage now got two beautiful children. And

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<v Speaker 5>it is just time for me to find my path

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<v Speaker 5>in life and get my.

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<v Speaker 3>Life back with God and see what else holds. You know.

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<v Speaker 5>I hold dear to my heart and let it out

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<v Speaker 5>and be who I used to be before the trauma

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<v Speaker 5>set into my life.

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<v Speaker 2>And we're gonna get into a little bit of that

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<v Speaker 2>bit Georgia it's just I was like, oh my gosh. Really. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>as we do go through the course of the show,

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<v Speaker 2>we want you to know and understand some of these

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<v Speaker 2>things can be triggering. Not the Atlanta, Georgia part, but

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<v Speaker 2>some of the serious stuff. Eight seven seven seven one

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<v Speaker 2>right back with more of Road to Hope Radio. How

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<v Speaker 2>often do you seem to have the bat film these days?

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<v Speaker 4>You know, I kind of miss having it as often

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<v Speaker 4>as we used to. I used to love having it

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 4>We had this old like iPhone six and you just

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<v Speaker 4>walk in your office. There's only a few mentors and

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<v Speaker 4>we all shared it and it just end up on

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<v Speaker 4>your desk and you're like, what the heck? I just

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<v Speaker 4>had it for three days. But today about every once

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<v Speaker 4>a month, so it's a lot better. I got a lot

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<v Speaker 4>more staff and it's fantastic answering that thing. But sometimes

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<v Speaker 4>it's in the middle.

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<v Speaker 2>Of your work day.

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<v Speaker 4>If you deal with a you know, a crisis online.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, with the guy, it's it's a tough maybe

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<v Speaker 4>where's you out.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. We used to carry him a sign them for

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<v Speaker 2>two weeks at a time.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, because that's good training. That's waiting for me.

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<v Speaker 2>Because there was three of us. So it's just kind

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<v Speaker 2>of the way it worked out. Welcome back to Road

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<v Speaker 2>to Hope. Ray, You're glad to have you along again. Reminder,

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<v Speaker 2>Hope Radio hit that subscribe button. We would truly truly

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<v Speaker 2>appreciate it. It is Easter Sunday, Resurrection Day. To me,

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<v Speaker 2>that's the greatest, most important day in the history of

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<v Speaker 2>the world, the resurrection of Jesus Christ, conquering death, hell,

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<v Speaker 2>hundred percent, and our organization we are a faith based

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<v Speaker 2>and christ centered organization. With that said, no one coming

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<v Speaker 2>we've had a little bit of everything come through our doors.

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<v Speaker 2>But there's so many lessons from Scripture and certainly lessons

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<v Speaker 2>from Christ, and the greatest lesson of all a lesson

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<v Speaker 2>from the day of New Life. That's what we get

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<v Speaker 2>to celebrate today. And I'm going to dip into the

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<v Speaker 2>mail bag here for just a second. And then Brandon,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to ask you a question that don't overthink.

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<v Speaker 2>It's it's in your wheelhouse, all right, so you'll be

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<v Speaker 2>good to go. But I want to dip into the mailbag.

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<v Speaker 2>I received a message last Sunday. Actually, I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>if you'd remember this. I won't say his name on

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<v Speaker 2>Eric because I haven't asked this permission. I'll take later

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<v Speaker 2>see if you're remember him. This veteran came into Camp

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<v Speaker 2>Hope in twenty twenty one, so if I remember correctly,

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<v Speaker 2>it was Fall twenty one and exited in May twenty two.

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<v Speaker 2>But here's what he said twenty twenty one was I

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<v Speaker 2>was at Camp Hope. Now five I'm in Orlando being

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<v Speaker 2>celebrated for national MVP, top three percent of the company

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<v Speaker 2>in my new career and finance. By the way, it's

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<v Speaker 2>one of the top four banks in America. It's a major, major,

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<v Speaker 2>bank and he just hit top three percent. Anyway, I

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<v Speaker 2>would have never had this opportunity or found this career,

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<v Speaker 2>which I truly love, if it wasn't for Camp Hope

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<v Speaker 2>giving me the time and help I needed to get

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<v Speaker 2>not just my life back, but a life I never

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<v Speaker 2>imagined for myself. I love that. I love that he

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<v Speaker 2>said it that way, a life I never imagined for myself.

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<v Speaker 2>Just wanted to share a good story today. Thanks for

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<v Speaker 2>all y'all have done. A life you never imagined. We

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<v Speaker 2>see that a lot of Camp and I think today,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, Easter new Life. I think that represents it

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<v Speaker 2>just perfectly. So tell me your version of what new

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<v Speaker 2>life looks like for you coming through Camp Hope and

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<v Speaker 2>what you've been able to do since then.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh man, you did not make it easy, okay deep Okay,

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<v Speaker 4>So first off, that story kind of hits me because

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<v Speaker 4>heard that story and I feel like that's why I

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<v Speaker 4>managing my PTSD. It's not gone away, but I can function.

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<v Speaker 4>I can go to restaurants, I can be in crowds.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh I'm so.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean it's good for me, right, absolutely, new experiences.

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<v Speaker 4>And I mean there's there's the the givens once you

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<v Speaker 4>That's all the good stuff. But there's relationships, like unbelievable

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<v Speaker 4>relationships with just men and women. Friends. Just I got

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<v Speaker 4>I'm protected. You know, they get me. And I mean

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<v Speaker 4>You know, I put him through a lot when I

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<v Speaker 4>So those those are the blessings and it's just new life.

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<v Speaker 4>kiddo actually believes in God today because he saw God

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<v Speaker 4>work in me and he had trouble with it, and

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<v Speaker 4>he's believing in science and like, but he saw an

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<v Speaker 4>evident change, like there's something to this god thing. So

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<v Speaker 4>for me, that's that's the new creation. And I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>people don't recognize me from my past. It's fantastic and

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<v Speaker 4>I love that part of it. I don't want them

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I would like, just for another minute, if

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<v Speaker 2>you don't mind not to rehash Brandon's life prior to

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<v Speaker 2>Camp Hope. That's not the point of this. But it

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<v Speaker 2>was not pleasant. Will we always say this about guys

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<v Speaker 2>coming in and no one comes in on a winning streak,

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<v Speaker 2>So I would give you this to another one up

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<v Speaker 2>for you. There's somebody out there listening that's struggling with

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<v Speaker 2>whether it's PTSD, depression, whatever, they're struggling. And my thing is,

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<v Speaker 2>I hear these stories so many times, and I hear

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<v Speaker 2>of the struggles and whether it's suicide attempts or jail

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<v Speaker 2>and legal issues and broken relationships and all that stuff

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<v Speaker 2>that comes along with it, and all that train wreck

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<v Speaker 2>that goes on for years sometimes before they finally go

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<v Speaker 2>get some help. Whether it's Camp Hope or wherever, it

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't matter, just all that happens between the trauma and

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<v Speaker 2>the time I actually go get help to deal with it.

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<v Speaker 2>What would you say to that guy that's in the

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<v Speaker 2>middle of that right now and he's scared the death,

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<v Speaker 4>Fight through it. Just call back on your military experience,

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<v Speaker 4>call back on your deployments. I promise you've been through

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<v Speaker 4>things in your life. Pull from that face the fear,

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<v Speaker 4>call someone, reach out. It will change your life. There

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<v Speaker 4>is hope, There is many men that you can relate to.

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<v Speaker 4>I have relief from it. And I thought I was

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<v Speaker 4>screwed for life, right I got PTSD, I got a TBI,

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<v Speaker 4>got this blast, you know, I got all these other issues.

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<v Speaker 4>I want to kill myself. I'm angry all the time.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't fit into society. That's how I felt. But

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<v Speaker 4>once I got help, it was a process and a journey.

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<v Speaker 4>But I just I encourage you to reach out and it.

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<v Speaker 4>Just take that first step and just just trust the process,

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<v Speaker 4>because it can't get any worse. If your where I

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<v Speaker 4>was right now, and you're setting in that pit of misery,

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<v Speaker 4>in that whole of darkness, why not give it a try.

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<v Speaker 4>Reach out?

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<v Speaker 2>And it is difficult, I think for many I've heard

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<v Speaker 2>many say it's the most difficult thing they ever did.

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<v Speaker 2>But when you think, we're back to Easter here for

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<v Speaker 2>a second. If Easter is the greatest day in the world,

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<v Speaker 2>and it represents the new life, and that's what we want.

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<v Speaker 2>It's what you just talked about in your own personal experience,

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<v Speaker 2>your new life. That's a post getting help from your

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<v Speaker 2>combat trauma. You don't get there without first there being

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<v Speaker 2>it's commonly known as Good Friday. There's no resurrection without

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<v Speaker 2>the crucifixion. Nobody wants the crucifixion. Nobody wants to surrender.

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<v Speaker 2>But you want the victory, you have to surrender. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's so backwards for you military guys, but it's the

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<v Speaker 2>way it goes with Jesus. Jesus everything he taught was

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<v Speaker 2>backwards what the world thinks. If you want to be first,

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<v Speaker 2>you gotta be last. You want to serve, you gotta

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<v Speaker 2>want to be served, you gotta serve. It's just the

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<v Speaker 2>way it is with him. But yeah, it's got to

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<v Speaker 2>be a there's got to be a daya surrender. You

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<v Speaker 2>Pick out the phone eight seven seven seven one, seven,

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<v Speaker 2>seventy eight, seventy three the website because we have not

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<v Speaker 2>only not everybody needs Camp Hoope. I gotta say that

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<v Speaker 2>not everybody needs Camp Hope, but we do have support groups.

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<v Speaker 2>We have support groups for family members, law enforcement, first responders.

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<v Speaker 2>All that information is online PTSD post traumatic stress Disorder

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<v Speaker 2>PTSDUSA dot org, all free. We'll be right back with

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<v Speaker 2>more Road Hope Radio, and we welcome you back to

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<v Speaker 2>Road to Hope Radio. David Malsby Here, we got Brandon

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<v Speaker 2>and it starts the Army Vet lead mentor Camp Hope Lawrence,

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<v Speaker 2>my State's Army VET current resident program at Camp Hope.

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<v Speaker 2>Lawrence met you know a little bit about you. Don't

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<v Speaker 2>know your whole life story, but what I do know

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<v Speaker 2>of you is post combat post PTSD diagnosis in some

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<v Speaker 2>of the trouble to come along with that introduced me

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<v Speaker 2>to pre combat Lawrence.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh wow, pre combat Lawrence was a lot different. I

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<v Speaker 5>was very outgoing. I was the class clown when I

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 5>The whole thing was about me even joining the military

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<v Speaker 5>is my mom. You know, I grew up in a

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<v Speaker 5>very traditional, strict home. My mom would ground me if

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<v Speaker 5>I made less than eighty five the report card.

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<v Speaker 2>Because she was a Georgia Tech Gut graduate where you grounded.

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<v Speaker 3>Up, Yes, I was.

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<v Speaker 5>She grounded me a lot. I didn't do the high

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<v Speaker 5>school parties. It was just sports in schoolwork. She kept

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<v Speaker 5>me safe, though, I will say that she kept me

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<v Speaker 5>safe from a lot of the outside world. I think

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<v Speaker 5>that was a big problem in my life because I

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<v Speaker 5>then having just my mom and having her as my

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<v Speaker 5>guidance counselor. You would say she protected me from everything,

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<v Speaker 5>like so sheltered, like you see in the movies.

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<v Speaker 3>Everybody like that show that.

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<v Speaker 4>Sheltered parent, and she like wrap you and bubble rap

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<v Speaker 4>before you went out. She wasn't that bad. I know.

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<v Speaker 5>I got my hands smashed at a soccer match in

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<v Speaker 5>high school and she come running out in the field.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm like, go away, go away. That's like almost close

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<v Speaker 4>to the ball.

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<v Speaker 2>Rack. Always her curfew in high school, well as.

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<v Speaker 5>A kid, it was until the street light came right,

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<v Speaker 5>and then in high school, well she would say come in.

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<v Speaker 5>I'd have to stay in after dinner, but I'd sneak

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<v Speaker 2>Oh there we go.

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<v Speaker 3>But Yeah, she was.

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<v Speaker 5>Very inspirational in my life pre army, but she sadly

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<v Speaker 5>to active duty in two thousand and eight. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>that was pretty traumatic.

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<v Speaker 2>While you were in after your first apployment.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, before your second. Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>So you mentioned sports, and you mentioned in soccer, which

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<v Speaker 2>I think is a sin. But anyway, we'll talk about

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<v Speaker 2>that later. What was your sport?

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<v Speaker 5>Well, soccer was one, but then I also played football

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<v Speaker 5>and baseball as well.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, soccer even a sport in Texas.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's like punishment.

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<v Speaker 4>Running up and down constantly cross country.

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<v Speaker 2>You're doing. No one ever scores, like what is the point?

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<v Speaker 4>I like baseball. It was intended to and in one

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<v Speaker 4>inning and it could flip exactly a score, a run

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, a great soccer game is one Nils like, no, no,

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<v Speaker 3>It's exciting nobody.

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<v Speaker 2>It's that big net over there. Come on, it's a

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<v Speaker 2>big net too, Like quick, can't somebody on the net?

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<v Speaker 4>You know a game? That's fine, it's hockey, even if

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<v Speaker 2>Much so NHL Live. I don't think there's anything like it,

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<v Speaker 2>and I you know, I've never played hockey in my life.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a baseball guy. But live NHL.

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<v Speaker 4>That's exactingly sport, very nascily you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I remember the first game I went to. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>people on the front row are just banging on the

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<v Speaker 2>glass screaming for blood on the ice, that they were

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<v Speaker 2>not going to be happy until there's blood on the ice,

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<v Speaker 2>Like that's this is this is a fun sports. Yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>baseball football, which was your best football?

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<v Speaker 3>Football was definitely my best baseball.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, just filled in that void so I didn't have

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, what was your position?

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<v Speaker 3>I was a wide receiver.

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<v Speaker 3>I could catch anything back then.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know about now I touched the football in

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<v Speaker 5>a couple of years, but yeah, back then, I was

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<v Speaker 5>running probably in high school. I think I ran like

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<v Speaker 5>a four nine, So it was I was pretty fast

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<v Speaker 3>To catch a football. You would say.

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<v Speaker 5>Even had a referee come look at my gloves one

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<v Speaker 5>in a high school match.

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<v Speaker 3>He did.

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<v Speaker 4>He's yes, he think he could catch a baby. Like,

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<v Speaker 4>let's say you were just hanging out and this woman

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<v Speaker 4>Do you think with those hands you could deliver a baby?

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<v Speaker 5>Oh yes, sure, I protected my daughter going down twenty

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<v Speaker 5>flight of stairs in an instant football.

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<v Speaker 2>There you go. Your hands. Cut some jambalaya this week

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<v Speaker 2>at Campo.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yes, it was delicious.

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<v Speaker 2>We had a group of folks out from Amigy Bank

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<v Speaker 2>and they painted a house. Uh the inside one of

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<v Speaker 2>the houses is being refurbished right now. Did some inventory

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<v Speaker 2>from Louisiana. I didn't get to eat any but I

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<v Speaker 2>and everybody said, that's one of the best, if not

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<v Speaker 2>the best, they've ever had.

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<v Speaker 4>Such a good thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Cool, that's so good.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, that's a big bank and they for them

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<v Speaker 4>to come out and do that paint a house, I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>let me just take a time out and go paint

424
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<v Speaker 4>a house and cook for these people and go through

425
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<v Speaker 4>the supply room. And they were all over our campus

426
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<v Speaker 4>just fantastic.

427
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<v Speaker 2>And they had they had as much fun as the

428
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<v Speaker 2>guys did. Eating the gym be life. Yeah, they were

429
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<v Speaker 2>thrilled to death to be there. They're like, thank you

430
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<v Speaker 2>for having us volunteer course, if you worked at the bank,

431
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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to get out every now and then too,

432
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<v Speaker 2>I'll paint a house. Yes, sign me up for that.

433
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<v Speaker 4>Probably make a lot of money too.

434
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they had a great time, but it was great

435
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<v Speaker 2>to see them. And I mentioned that because we do

436
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<v Speaker 2>have a lot of companies that different employee groups within

437
00:24:30.079 --> 00:24:32.279
<v Speaker 2>a company might come out and do some volunteer work

438
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<v Speaker 2>at Camp Hope. There are so many opportunities to do that.

439
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<v Speaker 2>And yes, you do get to have some interaction. It's

440
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<v Speaker 2>obviously not free for all at our place, but you

441
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<v Speaker 2>will have some opportunity and have some interaction with some

442
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<v Speaker 2>of those in our program and certainly with our staff

443
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<v Speaker 2>who are graduates of the program. So it's a great

444
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<v Speaker 2>opportunity for you to support what happens at Camp Hope

445
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<v Speaker 2>and supporting our combat veterans, but also do something it's

446
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<v Speaker 2>very meaningful. It's it's the primary way to two overcome

447
00:25:12.200 --> 00:25:16.759
<v Speaker 2>some of your own issues. I have people ask me

448
00:25:17.039 --> 00:25:20.079
<v Speaker 2>from time to time like they're going through a tough

449
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<v Speaker 2>time or struggle. They're in a dark place for whatever reason.

450
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<v Speaker 2>Maybe it's results of their own choices, maybe it's things

451
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<v Speaker 2>out of their control. But they're just in a funk

452
00:25:30.200 --> 00:25:32.759
<v Speaker 2>and can't quite seem to get a way out. And

453
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<v Speaker 2>I'll have them ask me, what do you do? How

454
00:25:36.440 --> 00:25:40.119
<v Speaker 2>do you get out of this? And will I always

455
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<v Speaker 2>say look around for somebody you can help. There's always

456
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<v Speaker 2>somebody you can help. And there's something selfish to it

457
00:25:53.079 --> 00:25:55.960
<v Speaker 2>because I know when you do it, it's going to

458
00:25:56.039 --> 00:25:58.160
<v Speaker 2>make you feel good. Well, that's not the worst thing

459
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<v Speaker 2>in the world to feel good like. There's an know

460
00:26:00.440 --> 00:26:03.839
<v Speaker 2>that's not a sin. I used to be taught it was,

461
00:26:03.920 --> 00:26:07.960
<v Speaker 2>but it's not when you're doing it the right way

462
00:26:08.000 --> 00:26:13.759
<v Speaker 2>and doing the right thing some legal, moral, you know, ethical. Uh,

463
00:26:14.160 --> 00:26:16.880
<v Speaker 2>find somebody else to help. So you know, for your

464
00:26:17.200 --> 00:26:21.079
<v Speaker 2>your group, you're you're looking for team team building opportunities.

465
00:26:21.200 --> 00:26:24.799
<v Speaker 2>Come volunteer at Camp Hope. You not only impact a

466
00:26:24.839 --> 00:26:28.079
<v Speaker 2>lot of veterans lives, but you'll impact your fellow employees.

467
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<v Speaker 2>So just another way to encourage folks PTSDUSA dot org.

468
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<v Speaker 2>All right, so your mom you mentioned she wasn't happy

469
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<v Speaker 2>when you transferred from reserve to active. Yes. So was

470
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<v Speaker 2>she for you joining the reserves? Oh?

471
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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, she because I grew up in a very poor family.

472
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<v Speaker 5>So she of course wanted me to go to college

473
00:26:54.319 --> 00:26:57.119
<v Speaker 5>like her. But she knew the only way I could

474
00:26:57.160 --> 00:26:59.599
<v Speaker 5>go to college, you know, go join the military, get

475
00:26:59.640 --> 00:27:04.400
<v Speaker 5>your mond yep, And so I did. I completed basic

476
00:27:04.440 --> 00:27:07.400
<v Speaker 5>training two months before the Twin Towers got hit, and

477
00:27:07.440 --> 00:27:10.880
<v Speaker 5>she kind of changed her tune after that because you know,

478
00:27:10.920 --> 00:27:12.920
<v Speaker 5>we were still kind of peace time.

479
00:27:13.119 --> 00:27:15.039
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, before nine to eleven.

480
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<v Speaker 3>But you know, I was eighteen years old.

481
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<v Speaker 5>I was gung ho about it, you know, patriotic, you

482
00:27:21.160 --> 00:27:22.759
<v Speaker 5>know what what happened that day.

483
00:27:23.519 --> 00:27:27.079
<v Speaker 3>I was ready to go. But yeah, she wasn't, of.

484
00:27:27.039 --> 00:27:28.880
<v Speaker 2>Course not, and I don't think any mother.

485
00:27:29.160 --> 00:27:29.240
<v Speaker 1>No.

486
00:27:29.519 --> 00:27:32.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so hell it was. So your first appointment was

487
00:27:32.599 --> 00:27:34.640
<v Speaker 2>oh six, yes, so are you? And all right?

488
00:27:35.440 --> 00:27:42.200
<v Speaker 5>First employment was there thirteen months where though we were

489
00:27:42.359 --> 00:27:48.799
<v Speaker 5>in over Ramadi hit vict you know byop mostly and

490
00:27:48.839 --> 00:27:50.720
<v Speaker 5>then we went to the Green Zone because of my

491
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<v Speaker 5>mos So I was all.

492
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<v Speaker 3>Over the place.

493
00:27:53.000 --> 00:27:54.920
<v Speaker 2>So in west won't mean thing to anybody listening. So

494
00:27:55.079 --> 00:27:56.000
<v Speaker 2>just what were you doing?

495
00:27:56.319 --> 00:27:58.000
<v Speaker 3>I was a ninety one Juliet so I was a

496
00:27:58.039 --> 00:27:58.680
<v Speaker 3>chemical weapon.

497
00:27:58.720 --> 00:27:59.240
<v Speaker 4>Specialist.

498
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<v Speaker 5>So I was always attached to either Ranger Regiment or

499
00:28:04.319 --> 00:28:09.440
<v Speaker 5>Special Forces Unit or EOD, you know, always checking everything

500
00:28:09.480 --> 00:28:11.240
<v Speaker 5>to make sure you know there wasn't chemicals or a

501
00:28:11.279 --> 00:28:17.000
<v Speaker 5>chemical weapon. Always had an decon apparatus on nearby stand

502
00:28:17.000 --> 00:28:20.759
<v Speaker 5>by in case something bad happens. I can save people's lives,

503
00:28:20.839 --> 00:28:23.240
<v Speaker 5>kind of like a chemical version of a medic kind

504
00:28:23.240 --> 00:28:24.759
<v Speaker 5>of situation.

505
00:28:25.119 --> 00:28:26.799
<v Speaker 4>Got you sounds pretty dangerous.

506
00:28:26.839 --> 00:28:29.000
<v Speaker 2>I was gonna say, there's no stress in that job. Yeah,

507
00:28:29.039 --> 00:28:31.119
<v Speaker 2>and then whatsoever. All right, We're gonna have to take

508
00:28:31.200 --> 00:28:34.720
<v Speaker 2>one more break and we'll come back and finish up

509
00:28:34.759 --> 00:28:38.759
<v Speaker 2>with chatting with Lawrence and Brandon. Glad to have you long,

510
00:28:38.799 --> 00:28:40.519
<v Speaker 2>hang hang on tight. We'll right back with more of

511
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<v Speaker 2>Road Hope Radio, and we welcome you back Road to

512
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<v Speaker 2>Hope Radio on this Easter Sunday. Those of you listening

513
00:29:05.359 --> 00:29:07.559
<v Speaker 2>on the KPRC nine to five OHO and the AM

514
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<v Speaker 2>dialar here in Houston, Texas. Those of you listening through

515
00:29:10.440 --> 00:29:14.200
<v Speaker 2>the Magical Podcast, thank you for listening and for sharing

516
00:29:14.319 --> 00:29:16.799
<v Speaker 2>talking with Lawrence and Brandon, both the United States Army

517
00:29:17.559 --> 00:29:27.359
<v Speaker 2>Veterans Combat Veterans PTSD and Lawrence, We've laughed a lot,

518
00:29:27.400 --> 00:29:29.920
<v Speaker 2>and I don't want to get too dark here. But

519
00:29:30.079 --> 00:29:34.640
<v Speaker 2>let's talk a little bit about as I mentioned, welcome,

520
00:29:34.720 --> 00:29:38.480
<v Speaker 2>nobody comes to camp Hope on a winning streak. So

521
00:29:39.160 --> 00:29:45.319
<v Speaker 2>first apployment's six rather lengthy one. For your second when

522
00:29:45.359 --> 00:29:51.039
<v Speaker 2>you lose your mother, second employment, rather lengthy one. Not

523
00:29:51.160 --> 00:29:56.480
<v Speaker 2>a pleasant experience. There's a lot of trauma in war

524
00:29:56.880 --> 00:29:59.160
<v Speaker 2>that can go on, and said, we'll just leave it

525
00:29:59.200 --> 00:30:04.720
<v Speaker 2>there for now. You bring some of that home. Did

526
00:30:04.759 --> 00:30:09.160
<v Speaker 2>you recognize something was going on early or did it

527
00:30:09.200 --> 00:30:09.799
<v Speaker 2>take a while.

528
00:30:10.599 --> 00:30:13.119
<v Speaker 3>Oh, it definitely took a while.

529
00:30:13.640 --> 00:30:18.680
<v Speaker 5>Like I didn't even notice it even up until about

530
00:30:18.759 --> 00:30:21.759
<v Speaker 5>two maybe three years ago, until my wife had pointed

531
00:30:21.799 --> 00:30:22.640
<v Speaker 5>it out.

532
00:30:23.000 --> 00:30:24.240
<v Speaker 2>And what was she pointing out?

533
00:30:25.000 --> 00:30:29.079
<v Speaker 5>How distant I was becoming isolating myself.

534
00:30:30.599 --> 00:30:32.680
<v Speaker 3>The biggest thing she said.

535
00:30:32.839 --> 00:30:35.920
<v Speaker 5>Was I was there physically, but I wasn't there mentally

536
00:30:36.039 --> 00:30:40.680
<v Speaker 5>or emotionally for her and our kids. And when she

537
00:30:40.799 --> 00:30:43.200
<v Speaker 5>told me that, I you know I that back then,

538
00:30:43.240 --> 00:30:45.400
<v Speaker 5>I was just like, No, there's no way, there's you know,

539
00:30:45.400 --> 00:30:47.200
<v Speaker 5>there's always somebody worse off than me.

540
00:30:47.359 --> 00:30:50.720
<v Speaker 3>You know, it's just my emotions. They'll go away, you know,

541
00:30:50.839 --> 00:30:53.160
<v Speaker 3>I'll I'll be who I was before.

542
00:30:53.559 --> 00:30:56.720
<v Speaker 5>It's just temporary, And it wasn't This was a couple

543
00:30:56.759 --> 00:30:59.920
<v Speaker 5>of years ago. Yeah, she told me. It hit start

544
00:31:00.200 --> 00:31:02.359
<v Speaker 5>hitting around late twenty twenty two.

545
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<v Speaker 2>How many children you have, Yeah, we have two.

546
00:31:05.039 --> 00:31:06.720
<v Speaker 3>A son and a daughter, Aspen and Barrett.

547
00:31:06.960 --> 00:31:11.640
<v Speaker 5>Held Aspen will be seven in June, Happy birthday baby.

548
00:31:11.839 --> 00:31:16.759
<v Speaker 5>And my son, Barrett will be thirteen in November. And

549
00:31:16.759 --> 00:31:19.240
<v Speaker 5>then my wife just had her birthday last month, so

550
00:31:19.960 --> 00:31:20.640
<v Speaker 5>she's looking good.

551
00:31:20.680 --> 00:31:21.319
<v Speaker 3>Love you, Haley.

552
00:31:25.839 --> 00:31:30.039
<v Speaker 2>Isolation is one of those those are the big red flags.

553
00:31:30.240 --> 00:31:33.440
<v Speaker 2>When someone starts to isolating you, somebody better reach out.

554
00:31:34.279 --> 00:31:35.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and get some help.

555
00:31:35.640 --> 00:31:38.799
<v Speaker 5>She told me numerous times that I needed to get help,

556
00:31:38.960 --> 00:31:42.519
<v Speaker 5>you know, more than just the VA. She felt like

557
00:31:42.640 --> 00:31:46.799
<v Speaker 5>I needed to go to a program that you know,

558
00:31:47.079 --> 00:31:51.640
<v Speaker 5>specifically helps veterans in that area, because you know VIA

559
00:31:51.720 --> 00:31:53.880
<v Speaker 5>they deal with so many people. Did you go to

560
00:31:53.920 --> 00:31:58.319
<v Speaker 5>the VIA, Yes, I went to them numerous times, but

561
00:31:58.440 --> 00:32:01.160
<v Speaker 5>it was just I just felt like I didn't get

562
00:32:01.200 --> 00:32:04.400
<v Speaker 5>anything from it. It was just like, you know, answer

563
00:32:04.519 --> 00:32:06.799
<v Speaker 5>these questions and then okay, teleconference over.

564
00:32:07.400 --> 00:32:10.119
<v Speaker 4>I had a bunch of drugs from the VAY.

565
00:32:10.319 --> 00:32:11.440
<v Speaker 2>Did they diagnose you?

566
00:32:11.559 --> 00:32:11.759
<v Speaker 4>Yes?

567
00:32:13.920 --> 00:32:16.680
<v Speaker 2>With that? Did they do anything or just say here's

568
00:32:16.720 --> 00:32:17.279
<v Speaker 2>what you got?

569
00:32:17.759 --> 00:32:21.400
<v Speaker 5>They basically said, here you have PTSD along with depression

570
00:32:21.400 --> 00:32:25.319
<v Speaker 5>and anxiety. You know, here's some medication, and you know

571
00:32:25.799 --> 00:32:29.000
<v Speaker 5>your therapist will reach out to you once a month teleconference,

572
00:32:30.200 --> 00:32:33.759
<v Speaker 5>and that was it, so not really ever in person

573
00:32:34.400 --> 00:32:36.640
<v Speaker 5>getting you know, and it just festered inside of me

574
00:32:36.720 --> 00:32:39.160
<v Speaker 5>more and more every day, and my PTS just got

575
00:32:39.319 --> 00:32:41.440
<v Speaker 5>worse to the point where I didn't even know who

576
00:32:41.440 --> 00:32:45.039
<v Speaker 5>I was anymore. And it affected my marriage and my

577
00:32:45.079 --> 00:32:49.200
<v Speaker 5>life with my children, and man, it takes a toll

578
00:32:49.240 --> 00:32:49.480
<v Speaker 5>on you.

579
00:32:51.200 --> 00:32:55.119
<v Speaker 2>I'm a firm believer that's it's not not the cast

580
00:32:55.200 --> 00:32:57.759
<v Speaker 2>blame on anybody. It's just the VA is overwhelmed. There's

581
00:32:57.759 --> 00:33:00.240
<v Speaker 2>no there's no two ways about it. But I think

582
00:33:00.319 --> 00:33:07.519
<v Speaker 2>the diagnosis, the writing of multiple prescriptions, which are all

583
00:33:07.599 --> 00:33:10.400
<v Speaker 2>chemicals that you're now putting into your body that are

584
00:33:10.440 --> 00:33:14.759
<v Speaker 2>designed to change things. Right, and we'll talk to you

585
00:33:14.799 --> 00:33:19.119
<v Speaker 2>on camera in a month, it's like, well, what happens

586
00:33:19.200 --> 00:33:22.720
<v Speaker 2>during that month because all those chemicals are starting to

587
00:33:22.720 --> 00:33:27.119
<v Speaker 2>go to work and they are changing things. And I'm

588
00:33:27.119 --> 00:33:33.039
<v Speaker 2>a firm believer. That's why we end up losing so

589
00:33:33.240 --> 00:33:40.519
<v Speaker 2>many veterans to whether it's overdose or suicide. We're unnecessarily

590
00:33:40.559 --> 00:33:44.920
<v Speaker 2>losing them because they're constantly getting either a change in

591
00:33:44.960 --> 00:33:49.039
<v Speaker 2>the cocktail of medications or a change in dosage, and

592
00:33:49.160 --> 00:33:51.519
<v Speaker 2>well let's try this, well let's try that, Like, well,

593
00:33:51.519 --> 00:33:54.039
<v Speaker 2>this is a human being. What are we just throwing

594
00:33:54.119 --> 00:33:56.720
<v Speaker 2>stuff around for? And then we're going to see in

595
00:33:56.759 --> 00:34:00.640
<v Speaker 2>a month. I just it's got to be a better way.

596
00:34:01.480 --> 00:34:07.319
<v Speaker 2>I'm firm believer there's a better way. But so you're

597
00:34:07.359 --> 00:34:09.039
<v Speaker 2>diagnosed a couple of years ago.

598
00:34:08.920 --> 00:34:14.639
<v Speaker 5>Wish twenty fifteen is oh, they diagnosed, and you know,

599
00:34:14.719 --> 00:34:17.760
<v Speaker 5>they had me on zol off and all kinds of

600
00:34:17.760 --> 00:34:18.079
<v Speaker 5>other things.

601
00:34:18.159 --> 00:34:22.880
<v Speaker 2>How long did you stay trying with the VA.

602
00:34:23.079 --> 00:34:27.719
<v Speaker 5>I think fifteen all the way up to about twenty

603
00:34:27.760 --> 00:34:31.159
<v Speaker 5>eighteen after my daughter was born. And then I was

604
00:34:31.239 --> 00:34:34.400
<v Speaker 5>just like, you know what, it's not helping, you know.

605
00:34:34.559 --> 00:34:39.960
<v Speaker 2>Could you just stop the medication? Okay? And no counseling

606
00:34:40.159 --> 00:34:40.960
<v Speaker 2>or no.

607
00:34:41.000 --> 00:34:42.840
<v Speaker 5>I just I gave it all up because it was

608
00:34:42.880 --> 00:34:44.239
<v Speaker 5>I felt like it wasn't working.

609
00:34:47.760 --> 00:34:53.400
<v Speaker 2>Usually something happens that spurs someone to decide to code

610
00:34:53.400 --> 00:34:55.960
<v Speaker 2>to camp hope for six to nine months of their life.

611
00:34:56.840 --> 00:34:58.719
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, call that like our d day.

612
00:34:59.199 --> 00:35:00.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah it was.

613
00:35:00.840 --> 00:35:03.280
<v Speaker 5>It was a day of reckoning for me. My wife

614
00:35:03.320 --> 00:35:07.920
<v Speaker 5>actually found you guys. The company we work for is

615
00:35:07.920 --> 00:35:11.079
<v Speaker 5>actually based here in Houston, and she came out here

616
00:35:11.320 --> 00:35:16.840
<v Speaker 5>in the early February for the manager's meeting, and she

617
00:35:17.480 --> 00:35:20.440
<v Speaker 5>knew someone that had came through here before and he

618
00:35:20.519 --> 00:35:22.400
<v Speaker 5>had told her, you know, hey, I think you should

619
00:35:22.440 --> 00:35:25.199
<v Speaker 5>have send Lawrence there. I think it would really help

620
00:35:25.280 --> 00:35:28.559
<v Speaker 5>him and benefit him. And so she called me up

621
00:35:28.599 --> 00:35:31.119
<v Speaker 5>and was like, Hey, would you go to Camp Hope?

622
00:35:31.159 --> 00:35:32.800
<v Speaker 5>And I didn't even think about it at that point

623
00:35:32.840 --> 00:35:35.559
<v Speaker 5>in my life. I was like, yes, I'll go.

624
00:35:37.920 --> 00:35:41.199
<v Speaker 2>You haven't been here long, you're still pretty early in

625
00:35:41.239 --> 00:35:49.079
<v Speaker 2>the program. You've made it through blackface, So yeah, that's nice.

626
00:35:49.480 --> 00:35:51.320
<v Speaker 2>It's really early in your program. So I hate to

627
00:35:51.320 --> 00:35:55.639
<v Speaker 2>even ask, but yeah, can you tell a difference yet,

628
00:35:55.800 --> 00:35:57.800
<v Speaker 2>Like just when you wake up in the morning, is

629
00:35:57.800 --> 00:36:00.719
<v Speaker 2>there a difference in it's a new day, it's a

630
00:36:00.760 --> 00:36:01.519
<v Speaker 2>new opportunity.

631
00:36:02.079 --> 00:36:06.599
<v Speaker 5>I can say without a doubt, yes, we did, you know,

632
00:36:06.679 --> 00:36:10.119
<v Speaker 5>constructive criticism yesterday. And so, you know, all the peers

633
00:36:10.119 --> 00:36:12.519
<v Speaker 5>were like, you know, Lawrence, when you came here, you

634
00:36:12.519 --> 00:36:15.599
<v Speaker 5>were depressed, you were sad, you were so focused on

635
00:36:15.679 --> 00:36:18.480
<v Speaker 5>the things that you did wrong in your marriage and

636
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<v Speaker 5>before your trauma from war. And they're like, now, dude,

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<v Speaker 5>you walk around with a smile on your face, You're

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<v Speaker 5>hugging everybody, you're shaking hands, you're always helping others. Even

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<v Speaker 5>my peers were like, you're doing an amazing job already.

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<v Speaker 5>And I'm six and a half weeks in.

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<v Speaker 2>Good Oh.

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<v Speaker 4>I was just thinking.

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<v Speaker 2>I was so I smiled. The smile is one of

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<v Speaker 2>the first telltale signs for me. When I see somebody

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<v Speaker 2>begin to smile, something's working.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, the light's clicking on. Yeah, it's fantastic.

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<v Speaker 2>They're doing the work.

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<v Speaker 4>You can see isolation. I'll tell you anything about isolation.

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<v Speaker 4>Isolation when you're a veteran and you're isolated when you

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<v Speaker 4>get out, you were in such a dark place this

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<v Speaker 4>whole but you're comfortable there. It's such a hard like

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<v Speaker 4>when we're talking about reaching out for help, it's so

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<v Speaker 4>hard to get out of that. And when you're in

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<v Speaker 4>the military, you got this tribe. You get so close

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<v Speaker 4>to other human beings more than most people ever wield

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<v Speaker 4>their whole life. And I feel like if you've never

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<v Speaker 4>had that, you don't really know what it is. But

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<v Speaker 4>if you lose that, it's like a piece of your

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<v Speaker 4>soul's gone. So that brotherhood's gone. You know, you don't

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<v Speaker 4>know what you're missing if you don't got it. But

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<v Speaker 4>once you've had that, So when they have that fellowship

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<v Speaker 4>again at Brotherly Love and they're connected, they belong, they

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<v Speaker 4>feel a part of that's usually when that smile kicks on, right,

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<v Speaker 4>it's like a light like you just in the dark

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<v Speaker 4>and you flip the light on.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I can't think both of you guys enough for

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<v Speaker 2>being here today. It's the fastest hour of my week,

668
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<v Speaker 2>every single week. It's just like, how in the world

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<v Speaker 2>are we already done? But then both of you guys, dude,

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<v Speaker 2>keep doing the work. Yeah, keep doing the work. Don't

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<v Speaker 2>don't stop. Don't stop, Yeah, don't stop because I want to.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to take the shortcut. Their short coats don't work. Nope, Complete,

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<v Speaker 2>complete what you've begun again. PTSDUSA dot org for all

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<v Speaker 2>information about our program at Camp Hope as well as

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<v Speaker 2>our support groups for veterans for family members. Everything gets

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<v Speaker 2>zero charged to the veteran or to their family. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a it's a great easter. It's a great day to

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<v Speaker 2>put the bottle down, to put the pills down, pick

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<v Speaker 2>up the phone and call eight seven seven seven to one,

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<v Speaker 2>seven seventy eight seventy three, You won't regret it. Thanks

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<v Speaker 2>for joining us, looking forward to being with you again

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<v Speaker 2>next week for more of Road to Hope Radio