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My Pilon focusing on western college football in the United States.

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And so we've arrived at the end of the twelve

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game regular season, we head onto the conference championship games.

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Heisman Trophy is on the menu, very much so in

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the West, as we will discuss so plenty to get

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to before we get to the conference championship games and

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the College Football Playoff. As it relates to the Western

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schools that we Cover's deal with the Western teams that

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concluded their seasons. I mean, they have a bowl game

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in some cases, some of them don't. But it's just

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worth just hitting on some of the various schools. So,

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you know, Utah ends its season a bowlless season under

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Kyle Whittingham. I mean, no one, absolutely, no one saw

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that coming, but it does reinforce that without Cam Rising,

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if Cam Rising hurt Utah and Kyle Whningham did not

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have a Plan B. And so if there's still being

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some mystery and uncertainty, will Cam Rising come back to

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Utah in twenty twenty five, Whether he does or not,

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Utah needs to pick up another big time quarterback. And

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if that quarterback, you know, wants to be the undisputed

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QB one. You know, if you're Kyle Whittingham and Cam

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Rising is still making up his mind, you can't really

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guarantee that, but you can also say, hey, you know

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that Cam Rising has not been very healthy, Chances are

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we're gonna need and chances are you can be a

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big part of this Utah team. You can be a

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big part of this Utah project as we try to

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restore our identity and on our brand name after a

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brutal twenty twenty four, When we think that Kyle Werningham

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can make the selling point, you can make the argument

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to a top transfer portal quarterback, Hey be part of us,

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be part of our effort here at Utah. That's obviously

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the top of the line element. Because let's remember Cam

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Rising is the guy who brought Utah the back to

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back Pack twelve championships and the back to back Rose

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Bowl appearances. Like he was the solution. He elevated Utah

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at the quarterback spot and when Utah was failing in

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previous years to win the Pack twelve and get back

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to a big time Bowl game, quarterback play, quarterback depth

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is what really prevented Utah from getting over the hunt. Remember,

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Utah played Washington in the twenty eighteen Pack twelve champions

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of game, played a brilliant defensive game, but lost ten

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to three. Quarterback quarterback depth quarterback attrition was an issue.

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Utah fell short against Oregon and Merrio Crystal Ball in

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twenty nineteen offense just wasn't able to do enough. It's

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been the quarterback spot. When Cam Rising was able to

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stay healthy, everything fell in place. So it's quarterback time

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at Utah. That is what the youths need to be

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able to figure out. They need to be able to

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put the pieces together, and they need a plan B

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for Cam Rising if he calls it a career, they

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need that plan B for twenty twenty five. Arizona finishes

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a miserable first season under Brent Brennan. And Brent Brennan

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did great work at San Jose State. It's not easy

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to win at San Jose State. Brent Brennan is a

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good coach. You know, this might not work out at Arizona,

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like good hires don't work out. I'm going to talk

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about that in a little bit as well. Like you,

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the hire might not work, but you can't necessarily say

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this was a flawed process or this was not a

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good hire on paper. Good hires on paper often don't

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work out. So with Brent Brennan, they have to remember

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he did keep Noahafita and Tetroy McMillan, you know, the

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star quarterback and the star receiver. But Arizona did lose

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several players to Jedfish and Washington. It's not as though

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Jedfish quote unquote won the transfer portal in the offseason.

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He didn't get what he wanted. He wanted to bring

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Fafita and McMillan to Seattle, and maybe Washington would have

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been a lot better if that had happened. So we can,

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Washington conversation talking about two Western programs that fell short

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of what they hoped for this season. But the larger

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point is that neither side neither Arizona nor Washington got

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all of what it wanted. Arizona got some, Washington got some.

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more of a case of both programs were weakened. Both

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programs were eroded, and that I think is the takeaway

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with both Arizona and Washington. So Brennan has to basically

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beef up his roster, like no one's gonna argue with

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that one. I don't think this season was a referendum

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on the quality of his coaching. Arizona did not have

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the dudes, Arizona did not have the players, and Jedfish

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took enough of them away from Tucson to Seattle that

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Arizona was shorthanded. And then with Fish, while we're on

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the subject of Washington, it's a pretty similar dynamic. And

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Mississippi State, he was not the guy. That's very clear.

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Kalin Deboor left. Washington needs a home run hitter at quarterback.

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That that much is clear. So Washington Utah can be

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linked together in that regard. So you know, obviously the

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extent to which Arizona wasn't just losing, It was getting

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blown out, and it got blown out by Arizona State

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this past weekend. That is definitely concerning. I'm not gonna lie,

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I'm not gonna ignore that. But Brent Brennan did not

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have the ideal roster. It's your one. Now we see

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how he just going into year two, and if year

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two is anything like year one, then you have to

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consider a two year coach firing. And we're getting into

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the coaching carousel. Ryan Walters of Purdue, I know that's

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not a Western program, but just to briefly offer the example.

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at Purdue, and you don't ordinarily fire a coach after

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two years. But but if year two bottoms out, if

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the program completely craters in year two, then a two

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year firing, you know, not giving the coach a year

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three makes sense. And so Purdue going one and eleven

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oh to nine and the Big Ten and losing sixty

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six nothing to Indiana, I would say that pretty safely

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fits the definition of cratering. So if we see Arizona

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at three and nine next year, then you have to

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consider Brent Brennan not getting a third year in Tucson.

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He needs to be able to show modest and noticeable

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improvement in twenty twenty five if he's going to get

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a third year in twenty twenty six, because yeah, this

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season was not acceptable, but you don't fire Brennan. He

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was caught in between with the roster changes that went

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on in Arizona and Washington. You give him a second

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season without question, but you expect him to do a

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lot better than he did this season. And as for

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Jeed Fish in Seattle, again you need the big time quarterback.

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He didn't have it this year. We saw over across

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the country Florida State, Auburn, various other programs Iowa as well.

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at quarterback in the transfer portal and it left their

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programs crucially shorthanded in this college football season. Continuing with

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our survey of western college football programs, let's make a

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brief tour of Los Angeles. So UCLA manages to beat

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Fresno's state but his home for the holidays. Nevertheless, UCLA

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wins five games. That's two or three more wins than expected.

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So Deshaun Foster, he's not going to a bowl, and

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yet he still did a really good job. And we

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mentioned on a previous episode of Get Off My Pylon

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that last year Kenny Dellingham didn't make a ball at

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Arizona State, but with all the injuries that he had,

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getting what he got out of that team last year, like,

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he did a really good job. And we showed that,

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you know, with ASU getting healthier on the offensive line

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this season, Man, it really came together for the Sun

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Devils and more ONSU in just a little bit. But

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Deshaun Foster, he's not in a bowl game, but don't

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let that change the overall verdict. He did a really

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good job with the meager talent level he had on

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this UCLA roster this season, so that offers cause for

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optimism going to twenty twenty five. Let's see what UCLA

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can get at the quarterback spot, whether it's in the

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transfer portal or recruiting. And the goal for UCLA in

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twenty twenty five. It's very clear won five games this year,

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so next year you want to get that extra win,

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get to a bowl game. If de Sean Foster does that,

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he will be on schedule at UCLA. Because this is

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not a quick fix. This is a long term thing.

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UCLA does not have as much money as USC as

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various other powerhouse programs in the West, and it is

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a basketball school as well, So when the collectives talk

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about nil money, you know just how much is there

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to go around. But ball is not going to get

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you know, the obvious, unquestioned number one percentage of resources

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over there. So what Kashaun Foster is doing is pointing

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UCLA in the right direction in a bowl game. Is

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the target for twenty twenty five? Elsewhere air Force, let's

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briefly go to the Mountain West. Air Force is not

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going to go to a bowl game, but it beat

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San Diego State and the Falcons closed their season with

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three straight wins. Troy Calhoun struggled so much with that

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team through the first two months of the season, but

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he figures things out late. And so now air Force

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as it goes into twenty twenty five, you know, air

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should expect to be a seven to eight win team

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next season, and if not, then then something will have

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really gone wrong. But Troy Calhoun stuck with his players

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and he eventually figured out how to win in November

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after just an awful September and October run. So air

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Force is definitely looking up. The San Diego State team

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that air Force defeated just didn't have an answer at quarterback.

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And Sean Lewis, you know, a very talented offensive mind.

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He was Deion Sanders offensive coordinator at Colorado last year.

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You know, head coached at Kent State. Viewed as you know,

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a talented young coach, a talented offensive mind. In this business,

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he has to go out and get himself a quarterback.

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And Meller moss Uh the USC starting quarterback for most

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of the season before being benched for Jade and Mayava.

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In November, he entered the transfer portal. Millar Moss would

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be a great fit I think at San Diego State.

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That could be a great move for Moss. He doesn't

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have to travel far from Los Angeles. He stays in

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southern California and he'll get all the snaps he wants.

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He'll be QB one if that's what Sean Lewis and

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San Diego State want. If there's mutual interest there, that

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could be a good transfer portal landing spot for Milar

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Moss and so usc USC finishes six and six, loses

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to Notre Dame. Jade and Mayava just mentioned earlier, he

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has elevated the USC passing. He's willing to throw the

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ball deep. He's willing to trust his receivers more than

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Meler Moss did. Miler Moss is really good at the

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short intermediate routes. You know, throwing was quick, precision timing

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patterns in shorter areas. But Jade Mayava can throw the

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ball deep. He's willing to throw the ball deep. He's

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an aggressive playmaker and this led to the interceptions from

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Notre Dame late in the game. But you know, Mayava

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was not going to figure all of this out in

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just three games, right, And so that's why Lincoln Riley

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gave him three games, you know, giving him some meaningful

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snaps and giving him a run of games, not just

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a bowl game, but a run of games to really

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get his feet wet. And I think USC has more

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upside with Mayava heading into twenty twenty five than with

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Molra Moss. And that's part of why Moss entered the portal.

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He knew he was never going to start for USC

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next year. It was Mayava's team at least if Mayava

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chooses to stay at USC. So Miler Moss saw the

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riding on the wall was a necessary move for Miller Moss.

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It wasn't acrimony, he wasn't throwing a tantrum. It was

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just everyone knew Miler Moss was not going to start

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next year, and so Milar Moss has one more year

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of college eligibility left. He needs to go somewhere he

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can play. So it's a good move for Miller Moss.

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It makes sense. Everyone at USC loves Milra Moss knows

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that he wanted to stay there. You know, he waited

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patiently behind Caleb Williams for multiple years to get his

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chance this year. And he had some bright moments LSU,

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Penn State, also Wisconsin and Rutgers had some moments when

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he looked great but wasn't consistent enough. Through the crucial

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interception against Maryland through three picks against Washington, he did

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not steadily improve over the course of the season. Boss

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security remained an issue. And so you get you know Mayava,

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who he's not a fully formed, fully polished quarterback, but

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he can run, He throws a better deep ball. He

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brings more upside to the USC offense. So Miller Moss

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could do the math. He transfers. He's entering the transfer portal,

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and this is Jade Miyava's USC team, And so Jade

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and Mayava, who know his passing game made Notre Dame

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Secondary look pretty ordinary. USC's passing game looked better than

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it had for most of the season until those final

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few interceptions. But like the Trojans were finally chucking the

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ball down the field getting big results, drawing past interference

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flags like this looked more like a Lincoln Riley offense.

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US He scored thirty five and easily could have scored

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more the way it consistently moved the ball through the

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air against the Notre Dame defense. So that is the

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element of optimism for USC, but there's a lot of

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reason for pessimism as well. Emanuel Pregnant a rock solid

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offensive lineman for this team. In twenty twenty four, he

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accepted an invite to the East West Shrine Bowl, So

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that means his USC career, his collegiate career is over.

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He's pursuing his NFL dream. And USC offensive line depth

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was a real thing, and actually that line did not

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get carved up by injuries. It's a line that stayed

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relatively healthy over the course of the season. It was

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the USC defensive line that really got chewed up with

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injuries to Anthony Lucas and to other top performers on

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the d line. The offensive line stayed healthy and it

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did get better over the course of the season, but

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it got better moderately, like this did not become a

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dominant offensive line. And one of the things that has

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been a point of annoyance in my coverage of USC

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football for Trojans Wire is that people will say, hey,

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we're averaging five point five yards per carry. That might

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be true enough, but if you watch USC football this season,

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a lot of running plays would get ten eleven yards

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with what he marks, and a lot of plays would

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get zero yards one yard, so the averages right around

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five yards to carry. But if you're getting eleven yards

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here and zero yards there and ten yards here and

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one yard there, you know when you run for one

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yard or zero yards on a given series of downs,

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then you have to pass the ball on a predictable

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passing situation. So it's not as sustainable as the stats

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would would suggest. If, on the other hand, you are

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getting five yards on this carry and five yards on

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the next carry in five yards on the carry after that,

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that is consistency and that is when you know that

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you can run the ball more. Now, should Lincoln Riley

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have used Woody Marks more this season? Yes, unquestionably. He

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should have built the offense around Boody Marks because he

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was the best offensive player on the team, because he

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was so dynamic, because he was so dependable. But it's

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less about run versus pass. It's more about getting a

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defense confused. And that's where Jayden Miava comes back into

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the picture. At USC, Mayava had the running threat that

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nol R. Moss never had, so USC was able to

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put RPOs and option plays into the Lincoln Riley playbook.

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An option keeper from Mayava gave the defense something new

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to think about. And you saw against Notre Dame if

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you watch that game after a QB keeper, which Lincoln

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Roddy didn't use a lot, but he used it a

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few times when he used a QB keeper, and when

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he used Mayava as a running threat, Notre Dame was

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on its heels the next few plays after that. So

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it was less about running the ball, it was more

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about using Jade Mayava's running threat. That's a more specific angle.

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It's not so much you have to hand the ball

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off to your running back. It's are you using your

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quarterback's legs as an extra dimension? Are you using the

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full width of the field to make a defense account

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for all areas of the field. That's where link and

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ride of these play calling fell short. It wasn't so

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much the pure run versus pass mix. That's a simplistic view.

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It's how are you using all the weapons you have

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at your disposal. That's what USC didn't do enough of,

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and that's why a lot of Trogns fans very realistically

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and reasonably think, you know, Jade and Miava should have

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been playing the whole year, and in many ways, think

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about it. Think about it this way. Miller Moss played

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well in the season opener against LSU, but if he

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had been accompanied by Jade Miyaba against Michigan Minnesota some

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of the big ten road games that USC lost, what

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if Mayaba plays fifteen to twenty snaps in those games

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and he has a QB keeper, he runs a few

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option plays. USC could have put opposing defenses off balance

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in those big ten road games that it lost. And

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so Mass and Mayaba were both turnover prone in the

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games that they played. They were both good quarterbacks, but

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not great quarterbacks. And so when you don't have great

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quarter and you have two quarterbacks with different skill sets,

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you play them both. And that really is the lesson

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for me watching USC this past season. And we'll see

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what kind of a lesson Lincoln Riley learns from all

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of this, and he enters a huge off season where

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he has to beef things up on the defensive line

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and the offensive line. US he just has to get

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nastier and tougher, so that skill positioned talent is able

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to shine through. We will see what happens with USC

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in twenty twenty five. All right, So talked about a

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lot of the schools that you know are gonna go

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to a third tier bowl game or whose seasons are

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fully done and aren't going to go to a bowl.

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Now we can deal with the big ticket items coming

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up on Get off my pilon, so Big twelve Championship game.

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Arizona State, Iowa State, So Kenny Dillingham, cam Skataboo, they

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make their way to the main event in Iowa State

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is their opponent in Arlington this Saturday. It's gonna be

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in that in the noontime slot, the Neon Eastern slot.

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So that's gonna be an eleven am kick in Texas

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College Football playoff bid on the line. And as I

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size up this game, uh, both Arizona State and Iowa State,

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you know, you look at their seasons. They both won

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a number of games late after struggling early. They haven't

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been generally dominant teams over the course of the full season.

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You know, the Arizona State had to come back to

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beat Kansas late. Uh, it was in a it was

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in a nip and tuck game with Utah before finally

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pointing away late in the fourth quarter. Uh. There were

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there were other games uh, Arizona State played this season

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which it had to scramble back from an early deficit.

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The Texas State Thursday Night game early in the season.

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That was another one. So you know, Arizona State has

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had to play catch up, It's had to rally on

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a number of occasions. And Iowa State did the same thing,

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seeing it against Baylor, saw it against UCF. Iowa State,

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you know, has also had to be a really good

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second half team in order to get this far, in

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order to get to the Big Twelve championship game. So

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on many levels, these teams are mirror images. And I

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will say that as good as they are at coming back,

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you don't want to keep testing that theory. You don't

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want to keep chancing it. So it's not as though

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if it's a ten point game at halftime that the

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team that's trailing is in a good position. It will

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be worth noting that like the game is certainly not over,

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or that you shouldn't, you know, mark it down as

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a likely win for the team that's leading. But you

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can't keep playing from behind you can't keep playing with

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fire like we saw that with the BYU team which

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lost those two games in November, or to get knocked

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out of the Big twelve championship game. You know, b

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YU just kept getting into precarious positions and it finally

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caught up with the Cougars. So we'll see if Arizona

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State and Iowa State, you know, if they're both both

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able to play at the same level, or if one

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team gets off to another slow start, we'll be able

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to come back. That that's going to be an obvious

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plot point in terms of evaluating who's likely to win.

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Arizona State is playing better football at this point, and

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I did say that. You know, for much of the season,

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Arizona State has been scrambling, rallying, coming from behind, and

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that's true. But in recent weeks you've seen Arizona State

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put its foot down to a much greater extent, getting

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the twenty eight nine lead over BYU, getting the biggerly

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lead at Kansas State, and this past weekend just racing

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to the huge early first half lead over Arizona Like,

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Arizona State has serious momentum, even more so than Iowa State.

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Iowa State played well against Kansas State this past weekend,

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but the week earlier, Iowa State allowed Utah to make

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a real game of it. ISU barely won that game

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with a go ahead touchdown in the fourth quarter, and

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that was the Utah team with Isaac Wilson at quarterback.

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That game should not have been as close as it was.

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Iowa State played with its food a little bit. Arizona

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State is the team that's in the ascendancy going into

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this game. So if you had to ask for a winner,

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I would say Arizona State more likely to do it.

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What an amazing opportunity this is Matt Campbell and ISU.

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By the way, ISU winning ten games this year saw

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a stat and with ISU winning ten games this year,

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Vanderbilt is the only Power Conference program that has not

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won ten games in a season. I didn't double check

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that in in the stat book, in the historical record,

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but you know, if true, that is an absolutely astounding statistic.

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It also speaks to the amazing year that Matt Campbell

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has had with Iowa State. But I think Arizona State

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has the edge going in here. And if Arizona State

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plays the way it has been playing the past few

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weeks with the strong offensive line. With Cam Scataboo being

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such a dynamic, consistent force for the Sun Devils, I

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think ASU has the edge. So we'll see what happens

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in Jerry world for the Big twelve Championship game before

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we moved to the Big Ten Championship game in Oregon.

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Let's deal with Colorado. Colorado dismantles Oklahoma State, but the

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Big twelve Plinko chips, you know, a little price is

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right reference there. The plinto chip did not fall into

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that ten thousand dollars middle slot. Colorado gets the zero

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slot and gets bocked out of the Big twelve Championship game.

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And so that lost Kansas proved to be decisive for

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the Buffalos. And let's not get this confused. Deion Sanders

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did a really good job this season, several wins better

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than what I and most other people expected. So I

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got this team wrong. I greatly underestimated Colorado and that

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remains very much the case. However, However, having Travis Hunter

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and Shader Sanders, two players liked to be taken in

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the top three or four picks of the twenty twenty

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five NFL Draft, and this was a parody filled Big

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twelve with no really good team, no team that has

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lost fewer than two games in this conference. It was

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a mess. And the teams that were all predicted to

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finish in the top five, they all were big disappointments.

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Kansas State lost four games, and the other teams that

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were predicted to finish in the top five of the

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Big Twelve they lost more than four games. Arizona, Utah, Kansas,

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Kansas did not make a bowl Kansas lost to Baylor,

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so Kansas will not even go to a bowl game.

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Hugely disappointing season for Lance Leipold, and then the Utah

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team that we mentioned, Utah not going to a bowl game.

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This was an absolute disaster for the teams that were

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expected to finish in the top five of the Big Twelve,

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and so Colorado benefited from that parody and yet was

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not able to get to the Big Twelve championship game.

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You wonder if Colorado's going to have a competitive state

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of play advantage to the same extent that it had

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in twenty twenty four. And now that Colorado loses Hunter

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and chadur you wonder what the ceiling is for this

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Colorado program in the future. Now, maybe the Big twelve

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will remain a paradise of parody in future seasons. And

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if that's the case, then Colorado seems to be getting

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the recruits it needs to continue to give itself a chance.

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But if some of these other Big twelve programs straightened out,

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I'm thinking particularly about Kansas State also Utah, if those

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two programs get themselves sorted and get back to the

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standards that they hold for themselves, it could be very

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difficult for Colorado to get as good a look, as

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good a sniff of the Big twelve Championship game in

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future seasons as it did this year. So as great

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as this season has undeniably been for Colorado, make no

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mistake about that, it's still very true that this feels

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like a huge missed opportunity for the Bus. And so

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that leads us into the Heisman Trophy part of our conversation.

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We'll get to the Big ten Championship game in just

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a bit, but before that, let's deal with the Heisman.

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So Travis Hunter will not have a Big twelve Championship

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game to play in. It will not have a thirteenth

478
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:03,599
game Ashton gent and Boise State. They get that game

479
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:07,000
against UNLV in the Mountain West title game, a rematch

480
00:29:07,079 --> 00:29:09,240
of a game that Boise State and UNLV had in

481
00:29:09,319 --> 00:29:12,759
Vegas earlier in the season. So that game is on Friday,

482
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:17,400
December sixth, in prime time. Gent gets the extra stage.

483
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,599
He'll have it auto himself on Friday night. You know,

484
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:25,079
the other bigger conference championship games on Saturday, but Genty

485
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:29,480
has Friday night to make one final Heisman statement. Now,

486
00:29:30,079 --> 00:29:32,759
in terms of the politics, in terms of where the

487
00:29:32,839 --> 00:29:35,480
votes stand, in terms of where the betting markets are,

488
00:29:36,359 --> 00:29:38,880
they all think it's a done deal. Travis Hunter is

489
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:42,640
going to win the Heisman Trophy. I'm just putting that

490
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,920
out there, like that's not even an editorial comment. If

491
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:47,880
you look at the betting noves, if you look at

492
00:29:49,079 --> 00:29:53,039
the widespread assessment of who will win, it's Travis Hunter

493
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:57,640
all the way. There is a widespread belief that that's

494
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,160
how it's going to be. Now, in terms of of

495
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:04,000
what should happen, in terms of how this should be handled,

496
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:08,680
that is a much different conversation. And with Ashton Genty

497
00:30:08,839 --> 00:30:13,559
being so consistent throughout every game this season, you know,

498
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:17,039
defenses are game planning to stop him, and he's still

499
00:30:17,079 --> 00:30:19,440
pounding out one hundred and fifty one hundred and seventy

500
00:30:19,759 --> 00:30:23,200
two hundred yards per game, even though he's the primary

501
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:25,599
focus of a team which has a decent but not

502
00:30:26,319 --> 00:30:31,920
amazing quarterback Maddox Madson. The fact that Gent he's doing

503
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:35,400
what he's doing every week, that should offer some appreciation

504
00:30:35,559 --> 00:30:39,640
for what he's achieving. And if he goes off against

505
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:44,079
a good UNLV team, UNLV's ten to two. UNLV's had

506
00:30:44,119 --> 00:30:49,079
a definitely a good year under Barry Odom. If Genty

507
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,920
goes off against UNLV and he leads Boise State to

508
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:55,480
the College Football Playoff, whereas Colorado is sitting there at

509
00:30:55,559 --> 00:30:58,519
nine to three, not even getting to the Big Twelve

510
00:30:58,559 --> 00:31:00,440
championship game in a year when the Big Twelve was

511
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:05,400
completely upside down and totally up for grabs on the merits,

512
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:09,519
on the merits, should it be such a foregone conclusion

513
00:31:09,519 --> 00:31:12,960
for Travis Hunter not even saying that gent should win,

514
00:31:13,039 --> 00:31:15,440
but I am saying that, like, this is a close call.

515
00:31:15,519 --> 00:31:19,039
To me, this is a close call on the raw merits.

516
00:31:19,359 --> 00:31:22,680
I don't think it's a slam dunk. I think there's

517
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:26,279
a definite strong case to be made for ashtra Genty being,

518
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,640
you know, so much the focus of everything Boise State does,

519
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,720
and he still delivers the goods week after week at

520
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:39,720
a physically demanding, punishing position. To me, that that puts him,

521
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:43,440
That puts him pretty much on the same plane as

522
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:47,640
as Travis Hunter. So so that that much has to

523
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:54,839
be established now as we as we move into, uh,

524
00:31:55,319 --> 00:31:58,119
you know, the the other elements of the Heisman race.

525
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,480
You know, Dylan Gabriel of Oregon has been mentioned as

526
00:32:01,519 --> 00:32:05,079
a candidate. But if we're sticking with the best college

527
00:32:05,119 --> 00:32:08,279
football players in the country and those who have made

528
00:32:08,319 --> 00:32:13,000
the biggest difference for their respective teams this year, there's

529
00:32:13,039 --> 00:32:17,680
another player on a Western school who frankly should be

530
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,160
invited to the Heisman ceremony in New York, and that's

531
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:25,079
Cam Skataboo of Arizona State. Think about it, who's made

532
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:28,599
a bigger difference for his team this year? Genti would

533
00:32:28,599 --> 00:32:32,359
obviously be one Hunter another Cam Ward of Miami deserves

534
00:32:32,359 --> 00:32:35,880
to be there. He's been amazing throughout this season. But

535
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,680
Cam Scataboo of Arizona State, he has been a rock

536
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:40,519
star for the Sun Devils. I mean, if you don't

537
00:32:40,519 --> 00:32:44,680
have if you take Cam Skataboo out of this Arizona

538
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,759
State roster. What do you have? What do you have left?

539
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:53,400
How what's the ceiling for Arizona State this particular season?

540
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:57,319
So you know, I would put Cam Scataboo ahead of

541
00:32:57,359 --> 00:33:01,799
Dylan Gabriel for instance. You know, Gabriel has been very good,

542
00:33:02,559 --> 00:33:07,240
but not spectacular. Oregon struggling against Wisconsin, struggled early in

543
00:33:07,279 --> 00:33:11,319
the season, including against Boise State. Oregon needed to kick

544
00:33:11,359 --> 00:33:15,000
return touchdowns to win that game. I would put Cam

545
00:33:15,039 --> 00:33:18,440
Scattaboo ahead of doing Gabriel if you ask me, you know,

546
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,079
maybe Gabriel gets a ticket to New York, I would

547
00:33:21,119 --> 00:33:24,480
put Scataboo ahead of Gabriel. But there's one other thing

548
00:33:24,519 --> 00:33:26,359
for me to mention here while we're on the subject

549
00:33:26,359 --> 00:33:28,920
of the Heisman Trophy, and that is there should be

550
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:32,359
ten in vities. There should not be an exclusive three

551
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,640
or four person gathering in New York. We should be

552
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:39,599
inviting more players. More players get to be profiled and

553
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:43,960
have their moment in the sun on national television for

554
00:33:44,039 --> 00:33:47,920
this prestigious award. We should have more players, more schools,

555
00:33:48,039 --> 00:33:52,319
more fan bases interested in this ceremony. Given a reason

556
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,559
to invest in the Heisman ceremony, there should be a

557
00:33:55,599 --> 00:34:01,519
defensive player for every he ceremony. There should be an

558
00:34:01,599 --> 00:34:05,519
interior lineman for every ceremony. I mean, linemen are part

559
00:34:05,559 --> 00:34:10,480
of this sport. Linemen are hugely important. You should definitely

560
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,599
have alignment. Okay, now gent is going to provide a

561
00:34:13,599 --> 00:34:17,119
group of five presents, but he's a finalist. So you know,

562
00:34:17,599 --> 00:34:20,679
in years when you don't have a group of five finalists,

563
00:34:21,119 --> 00:34:23,559
there should always be a group of five players. So

564
00:34:23,559 --> 00:34:26,760
there should be a set aside, guaranteed slot for a

565
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:32,719
group of five player every year. You should you should

566
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:38,480
have ten invitees with you know, first off, you increase

567
00:34:38,559 --> 00:34:41,760
the at larges you know, to like five or six,

568
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:45,559
and then you add a group of five defensive player

569
00:34:46,119 --> 00:34:50,320
interior liignment. You should be able to arrive at ten players,

570
00:34:50,679 --> 00:34:53,960
so that you're you're giving a wider cross section of

571
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:59,639
football players and players from different conferences, different perspectives, different

572
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:04,320
van points in the larger college football universe, their day

573
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:07,559
in the sun at the Heisman ceremony. So that is

574
00:35:07,599 --> 00:35:10,119
a larger point about the Heisman. It goes beyond the

575
00:35:10,159 --> 00:35:14,280
immediate but in the immediate sense, you know, on the merits,

576
00:35:14,599 --> 00:35:17,960
Genti versus Hunter is a close call. You know, let's

577
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:22,760
just give Travis Hunter his due credit since he is

578
00:35:23,119 --> 00:35:26,920
almost almost certain to win the award. Travis Hunter getting

579
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:32,960
the award in many ways is an argument for like,

580
00:35:33,039 --> 00:35:37,119
let's say, let's compare this to baseball. Baseball you have

581
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:40,960
everyday players, and you have pitchers, and the everyday players

582
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:45,519
the players who are you know, taking offense, performing on

583
00:35:45,599 --> 00:35:51,079
offense and defense, and aren't just pitching, or to cut

584
00:35:51,079 --> 00:35:55,480
this in another direction, position players versus a designated hitter.

585
00:35:56,159 --> 00:36:00,880
If you're having an impact on both sides of the ball,

586
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:06,719
not just one, that is a significant extra level of impact.

587
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:08,760
And that is what Travis Hunter brings to the table.

588
00:36:09,119 --> 00:36:13,480
So I'm definitely not trying to dismiss or or minimize

589
00:36:13,599 --> 00:36:16,920
Travis Hunter's excellence, and I recognize the strength of his

590
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:20,400
heisman candidacy. You know, if you tell me Travis Hunter

591
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,920
is gonna win the award, which he's likely to, I

592
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:24,719
don't have a problem with that. What I do have

593
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,320
a problem with is this idea that, oh, it's a

594
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:29,599
done deal. Now. Now in terms of like the betty

595
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,360
the betting markets do think it's a done deal, the

596
00:36:32,519 --> 00:36:39,280
larger political media focus angle suggests it's a done deal.

597
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:43,719
That's what I don't like this should be presented as hey,

598
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:47,039
there's a real conversation to be had between Travis Hunter

599
00:36:47,119 --> 00:36:50,119
and Ashton gent But that's not the way this Heisman

600
00:36:50,199 --> 00:36:52,760
race is being portrayed. And that's a real shame because

601
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:58,199
Ashton Genty deserves his chance to make this statement against UNLV,

602
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:02,440
and let's watch this poise UNLV game and then we

603
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,559
can evaluate these two Heisman candidacies. But the idea that

604
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,639
Hunter has wrapped it up, see, I don't like that.

605
00:37:09,039 --> 00:37:12,280
I'm not saying Hunter shouldn't win the award. I'm saying

606
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,559
that we shouldn't treat this as a done deal, even

607
00:37:15,599 --> 00:37:18,960
if the betting markets say it is, because hey, should

608
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:22,239
we be devoting our coverage to how the betting markets

609
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:26,320
are treating something. I don't think that's healthy, don't. I

610
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:29,400
don't think that's a good model for how we go

611
00:37:29,519 --> 00:37:35,000
about covering college sports, or really any significant sports story

612
00:37:35,679 --> 00:37:40,519
that's part of the landscape. All Right, danced around this

613
00:37:40,639 --> 00:37:44,039
for a lot, but now we get to the final

614
00:37:44,079 --> 00:37:47,079
big topic. And it is a big topic because it's

615
00:37:47,079 --> 00:37:49,960
the Big Ten. It's the Big Ten championship game Penn

616
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:57,000
State versus Oregon this weekend in Indianapolis. There was a

617
00:37:57,039 --> 00:38:00,360
big late plot twist with Ohio State lose seen as

618
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:05,480
a twenty one point favorite against Michigan at home, and

619
00:38:05,559 --> 00:38:11,440
so Penn State replaces Ohio State as Oregon's opponent. Now

620
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,519
let's get down to brass tacks on a couple levels

621
00:38:14,679 --> 00:38:19,960
about this game. First. First, if we did this right,

622
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:23,360
and I've mentioned in previous weeks that the conference championship

623
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:26,719
games in a twelve team playoff era, they need to rethink.

624
00:38:27,119 --> 00:38:29,599
They need to be thought about in a different way.

625
00:38:30,039 --> 00:38:33,519
The structure of a college football season and the schedule

626
00:38:34,079 --> 00:38:37,480
needs to be adjusted. We have the perfect example here

627
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:40,719
in the Big Ten. Oregon was the only Big Ten

628
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:44,320
team to have a perfect twelve to zero season, to

629
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:47,599
have a perfect Big Ten conference record. Indiana, Penn State,

630
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,320
Ohio State all lost games. They're all going to get

631
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:54,320
into the playoffs, but they all lost games. So what

632
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:58,840
we should do in future seasons when we encounter a

633
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,440
season such as what we have this year in the

634
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:05,320
Big Ten, we should declare Oregon the Big Ten champion.

635
00:39:05,559 --> 00:39:09,159
So Oregon gets that top seed in the twelve team

636
00:39:09,159 --> 00:39:13,360
playoff and it gets the first round, by okay, Oregon

637
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:16,519
should be declared Big Ten champion right now. So Oregon

638
00:39:16,559 --> 00:39:21,679
should not have to play in Indianapolis this upcoming Saturday

639
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:25,280
and the Big Ten Championship game. With Ohio State losing

640
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:29,119
that second Big Ten game to fall to fourth in

641
00:39:29,199 --> 00:39:33,360
the standings, the Big Ten Championship game should be renamed

642
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:37,679
the Big Ten Playoff because it's not a conference championship game.

643
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:41,559
We've decided that Oregon is the conference champion, okay, but

644
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:45,079
Penn State should be playing Indiana in a Big Ten

645
00:39:45,159 --> 00:39:48,679
playoff game. And here's the extra part. Like Penn State

646
00:39:48,679 --> 00:39:51,840
in Indiana, they didn't play during the regular season. We

647
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:54,880
want to know how these teams match up against each other.

648
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:58,159
Shouldn't they play before we go into the college football playoff?

649
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:02,199
And and I and you know, this is kind of

650
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:04,119
a tricky thing. Indiana is probably going to get into

651
00:40:04,159 --> 00:40:06,639
the playoff at eleven and one, but if you have

652
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:10,840
Indiana play Penn State, you this would be a risk

653
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:14,119
for the Big Ten in that if Indiana loses to

654
00:40:14,159 --> 00:40:17,480
Penn State, Indiana might fall out of the playoff. So

655
00:40:17,519 --> 00:40:19,920
you could say this is not you know, for the

656
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:23,639
Big Ten's bottom line interests, but in terms of determining

657
00:40:23,679 --> 00:40:28,840
the twelve best worthiest teams in the playoff field. Having

658
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:32,199
Penn State play Indiana makes so much more sense than

659
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:35,719
having Oregon and Penn State play. And here's the other thing.

660
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:40,519
So Oregon has gone twelve to zero, it's already in

661
00:40:40,559 --> 00:40:43,440
the playoff. No one disputes that. And Penn State, even

662
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:46,280
if it loses to Oregon, is almost certainly in the playoff.

663
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:52,239
Why have them play an extra game before the actual

664
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:55,800
playoff begins? And the first round begins on December twentieth

665
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:58,760
and twenty first, you know, whoever loses this game will

666
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:02,719
have to turn around and play You're making this team.

667
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:05,920
These teams play a thirteenth game, then the loser has

668
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:08,400
to turn around in two weeks and play the first

669
00:41:08,519 --> 00:41:11,480
round game. And then if it's able to get through

670
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:14,400
the first round game, we'll have to play three more games.

671
00:41:14,559 --> 00:41:19,920
So or asking Oregon to play this extra game ahead

672
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:24,280
of the playoff, you're just you're throwing extra unnecessary work

673
00:41:24,639 --> 00:41:28,039
and risk on the Ducks. They should be able to

674
00:41:28,159 --> 00:41:33,400
have the week off rest up for their quarterfinal. And

675
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:37,679
you're so you're rewarding Oregon for being first, for being

676
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:40,599
Big ten champion, and you let Penn State in Indiana

677
00:41:40,679 --> 00:41:44,599
do get out, and again there is risk attached to

678
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:48,119
the game. But we let's also say this Ohio State

679
00:41:48,199 --> 00:41:52,000
with two losses and that embarrassing loss to Michigan Penn

680
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:55,000
State in Indiana could be playing to cement a birth,

681
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:58,079
and the loser we shouldn't necessarily think that the loser

682
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:01,920
is somehow out. In fact, we could say that we

683
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,719
could offer this stipulation that if you play in the

684
00:42:06,039 --> 00:42:09,039
no I'm being very specific here, if you play in

685
00:42:09,079 --> 00:42:12,639
a conference playoff game, because again Penn State, Indiana, if

686
00:42:12,679 --> 00:42:15,519
we had that game this weekend, it would not be

687
00:42:15,639 --> 00:42:20,519
a conference championship game. Again, we're having Oregon declared Big

688
00:42:20,519 --> 00:42:25,760
Ten champion right now. If in this hypothetical Big Penn

689
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:28,760
State in Indiana play in a Big Ten playoff game,

690
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,639
there could be a stipulation that the loser of a

691
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:35,760
conference playoff game should not be penalized for losing a

692
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:39,639
second game, in which case we could say that Indiana

693
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,840
is ahead of Ohio State in the pecking order, the

694
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:47,159
Big Ten pecking order, regardless of outcome the playoff game

695
00:42:47,559 --> 00:42:50,840
Indiana Penn State would be to determine who's number two

696
00:42:51,519 --> 00:42:56,400
in the Big Ten, and then everybody can judge Indiana

697
00:42:57,559 --> 00:43:01,760
versus the rest of the playoff field, but of Ohio

698
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:05,199
State because Ohio State lost that second game. So there

699
00:43:05,199 --> 00:43:07,880
are a lot of reforms that college football can put

700
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:11,719
into place, and the Big Ten really is the perfect

701
00:43:12,159 --> 00:43:18,159
example of how college football should reform. The conference championship game.

702
00:43:18,199 --> 00:43:20,639
You still have the television rights, you still have the

703
00:43:20,679 --> 00:43:23,480
time slot on the first Saturday of December, but you

704
00:43:23,519 --> 00:43:25,559
don't call it a conference championship game. You call it

705
00:43:25,599 --> 00:43:30,079
a college a conference playoff game. And so Penn State

706
00:43:30,119 --> 00:43:33,400
Indiana just makes so much more sense than asking Oregon

707
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:36,679
to play an extra game that you know, obviously this

708
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:39,199
game is for Oregon so that it gets the first

709
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:42,320
round by. We should just be giving Oregon the first

710
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:45,480
round by right now. We shouldn't have to make Oregon

711
00:43:45,559 --> 00:43:48,079
earn it. Oregon's already earned it by being the clear

712
00:43:48,199 --> 00:43:51,159
number one team in the Big Ten this season. Let

713
00:43:51,199 --> 00:43:54,360
Penn State Indiana fight it out to see which team

714
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:57,519
is better and to help with a playoff seating. That

715
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just makes so much more sense to the game itself.

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This game is going to be another test of James

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Franklin in big games. We've seen it so many times

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over the years James Franklin goes up against Ohio State

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or Michigan at Penn State and he falls short. Penn

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State lost to Ohio State this year. James Franklin couldn't

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get it done against the buck Geys, and hey, we

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saw how flawed and mortal Ohio State football was this season,

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so you know, Penn State had that game at home,

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got out to the early lead, still couldn't nail it down,

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still couldn't finish the job. So can James Franklin finally

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beat an elite team? He has struggled so consistently with

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this it's been the ghost which has haunted him and

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his career. Can Penn State finally get the job done

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in a money situation? It's Penn State's first Big Ten

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championship game since twenty sixteen. It's been a long long

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time for Penn State to get back to this game,

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eight whole years. And Penn State backdoored into this because

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Ohio State and Brian Day has completely slipped on a

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banana peel against Michigan. So Penn State's being given a

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special gift, a special opportunity, Like no one was expecting

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Penn State to be here a week ago. But Ohio State,

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you know, stepped on the rake and so can James

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Franklin get it done. So Drew Hollur going up against

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this Oregon defense, I can't say I like the matchup

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there for Penn State. I mean Dylan Gabriel versus Drew Hollard.

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Definitely like Gabriel in the matchup. But this is this

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is a time where you know, it's this has put

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up a shut up time for Drew Hour couldn't deliver

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the goods against Ohio State. You know, he he had

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his moments the second half rally against USC at the

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Colisseum that was impressive, but he was bad in the

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first half of that game. So, you know, when have

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we seen Drew Hollur play an elite game complete sixty

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minutes against a high end team. Very few instances of

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that in his Penn State career. We saw at Penn

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State a few years ago. We saw Sean Clifford, you know,

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struggle a lot in his Penn State career. But when

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he had that moment against Utah in the Rose Bowl,

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played one of the better games of his career, and

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he left Penn State on a high note. And after

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all the criticism that he received. Sean Clifford was able

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to rise above it play an elite game on a

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big stage. This is Drew hours equivalent of that Penn

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State Utah Rose Bowl for Sean Clifford. This is Drew

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hours time to put his stamp on this season and

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on his Penn State career. We will see if he

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can do it, but I would I would not be

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optimistic about that. And you know Oregon. One thing to

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note about Oregon is that it had the week off

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before this recent game against Washington, So Oregon was able

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to get healthier Dan Lanning than was able to know

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disposed of Washington pretty easily. You know, that game didn't

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go down to the wire, so Oregon is pretty fresh.

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Oregon that doesn't have everyone available, doesn't have all of

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its high end players. But Oregon was able to get

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a week off, So that certainly has to point the

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needle in Oregon's direction. I see this game as being

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Oregon all the way. It's in Indianapolis, so you're probably

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gonna have more of a Penn State crowd, but it

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is indoors, you know, it's so Oregon's not gonna have

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to deal with nasty, big ten weather. You know, we

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saw it snow in Buffalo, and we're looking at the

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very distinct possibility that and actually likelihood, I should say

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that Notre Dame is going to host a first round

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playoff game in South Bend, Oh Mine. So you know,

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if Notre Dame is hosting a team from a warm

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00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:58,679
weather school, you know that's gonna really help the fighting

783
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:01,360
Irish or at least what would think it will. But anyway,

784
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:06,000
Oregon's not gonna have to deal with inclement weather December

785
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weather in Lucas Oil Stadium. So you know, the Ducks

786
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:13,639
are set up for success, and they're set up for

787
00:48:13,679 --> 00:48:16,360
success for a lot of reasons. But the main thing

788
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:19,639
is that James Franklin just hasn't proved that he can

789
00:48:19,679 --> 00:48:23,960
get it done in those kinds of situations. So so much,

790
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so much to be interested in for the Big ten

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championship game between Oregon Penn State, and it's gonna be

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fascinating to see how that shakes out. So we come

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