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a good start to summer here. I understand parts of
the US are not enjoying the same nice weather we
are having here in southern California. However, today is a
little overcast, which I think is good for the doggs.
You know, it's funny we during this weather. We like
kind of like when it's kind of warm and the hot,
and some of our pets, however, want some relief and
especially to spending some time outdoors, and Mom or Dad
are forgetting to give them plenty of shade and plenty
of water, so on an over they kind of do okay.
So anyway, I always we do get some email questions
through the week. So while those of you listening to
us right now at pet Life Radio are getting the
courage the nerve to give us a call, we are
going to go over some of the email questions I've received.
This is coming from Shelley, Orange County, Florida, says I
love the show. I have a millions of questions to ask.
I thought I just asked one question. So I'll tell
you know, you can ask the millions.
Speaker 3: That's okay.
Speaker 2: I've heard that using ketamine or halothene gas to put
your pet to sleep, and I'm sure she meant under anesthesia.
Everybody is outdated. There are nor safer things to use.
Can you tell me what they are? Well, yeah, that's interesting.
I would agree. I no longer use halothane. But you know,
I used to work with a board certified veteriny surgeon
who used to use this is you know, years and
years ago, and as isofluorine was sort of the new
anesthetic agent. Now it is also kind of being replaced
often by something called civo fluorine. But as halothane was
being less and less than, the isofluor was being used
more and more, I notice he's still liked to use
the halopeen and he says something very interesting. He says,
I've been using hallofane for you know whatever, it was
fifteen years and he felt so comfortable knowing how to
monitor it, knowing how to turn it up, turn it down,
to read the signs that he wasn't really ready yet
to start something new. And I kind of get it.
And now that I am that way with upper fluorine.
And though I have CIVO, and there are a lot
of cases will use CIVO because I think CIVO is excellent,
there are times that I will just like the ISO
because I'm so comfortable with it. As far as kettemine, yes,
we still use that often in combination with say valuume
sometimes you know, other pain medications. We call it ket
value and that is merely used as an induction agent.
Now there's something called propofol. Propofol is very commonly used.
That got very very famous with the whole Michael Jackson
thing and using propofol. But propofol is very also a
very effective induction agent. And by that it means that
you give an injection which will sedate the dog the
cat enough to be able to introduce the end of
tracheal two that is the tube that which placed inside
the trachea to allow us then to hook up to
the anesthetic gas with oxygen.
Speaker 3: So the cat val is still.
Speaker 2: Very commonly used as an anesthetic induction agent, as is propofol,
and there's some other things that are used as well.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: Interestingly, I have my daughter had had to have a
surgery a while back, and this is many years ago
when she was eight he's now thirties, and the anthesiologist
was using halothane and I thought, I said, that's interesting
because I thought, now everybody's switched to the ice of fluorine.
And she said, well, really, when you deal with children
and you don't want them to have that very fast
down and that very fast up. The halothane was smoother,
and she preferred it to the new and then newer
ice of fluorine. So what it boils down to is
you use what you're comfortable, use what's safe. You know,
I'm very comfortable with isoflorine, and for those very old
animals or animals with I know have liverc problems or
heart problems.
Speaker 3: I'm going to choose the fluorine.
Speaker 2: But ketamine is still often used anyway, Shelly, I thank
you for that one of your million questions, and you know,
feel free to give us a call and we can.
You can ask us a few more of your million
that would be just great. I also have a email
from Stephanie in Yorba Linda, California, and she says she's
walking like she's drunk. Her veterinarian says it may be
a vestibular infection or ear infection. And it's a problem,
you know. And she also gets these fits where she
says where her eyes seemed to flick that forth, Well,
definitely we're dealing with something vestibular. The eyes flickering back
and forth. We call that nice stagmus. And when you
have these dogs that will truly, very acutely, very suddenly
seem to be walking in circles, sometimes have a cult
time standing without falling over to one side. The head
is tilted to one side, and if you look at them,
you actually see the eyes. And I often tell people
to do this when they call me in a panic
and their dog can't get up there the fear of
some sort of weird seizure, and what they're describing to
me is more of a vestibular problem, and I'll say
it that them. I say, do me a favor while
you're on the phone with me. I want you to
grab your dog by the jowls and look them straight
in the eye and tell me what are his eyes doing?
And sure enough, they'll say it. They're rocking back and forth.
They're going really fast to one side and then back
slowly to the other side, and then fast and slow,
and fast and slow, and we call that nice stagmus.
And that is usually some sort of vestibular problem. We
call it idiopathic vestibular disease. And in a sense, the
dog's world is totally spinning. The equilibrium, the balance and equilibrium.
This is done by the canals in the middle ear
are totally out of whack. They're in flame. Something's not right.
So this poor thing cannot rept his world. He can't
get the balance. And even though he is balanced, and
even though the world is not spinning, in his poor
little brain, because of the middle earner inflammation, it's a
vestibular upset. He cannot stand still. So it's not uncommon.
We see it dogs that are prone to it. It
might happen again. It's those things that can happen more
than once. In fact, when I was growing up, we
had an old German shepherd. She was a white shepherd.
Her name was Sheba, and I'd say by the time
she was eleven, she started having these episodes of the
idiopathic of vestibular disease. Episodes. You know she would recover.
I thought that bad. You can use even a medicaid.
You can use that seems to help them a little
bit is Mechlausine. It's sold over the counter the name
of Bonnie, or might say travel sickness medication, and that
does help people with vertigo, with that imbalance, that where
the world is spinning, the uneasiness, if you will, and
it's like a dizziness. So anyway, Sheba would get well
and she'd be one hundred percent, and then a few
months later she'd have another episode, and then then when
we noticed that she would have more and more episodes,
even though she was fine, and even though she was
walking a straight line and she did not appear drunk,
she would have passed a test if she was by
the cops right, but her head. She ended up with
a residual head tilt, which means that for the rest
of her life, and she lived over fifteen, which was
amazing for Shepherd. She still always had her head cocked
to one side, and for her that was normal. So
her normal became when her head was tilted a little
bit to one side.
Speaker 3: But she was fine, she was great.
Speaker 2: So you know, if any of you have had pets
with this condition, it's called idiopathic vestibular disease. We call
it IVD as opposed to the intervertiable disc disease iv
d D. Then let us know, send us a little note,
Send me a note to Dr Jeff at Petlife Radio
dot com, or you could give us a call here
at eight seven seven three eight five eight eight eighty
two and kind of let us know your story and
let us know how long it lasted, let us know
what you did for treatment. Interestingly, there's some docks that
doing thing you know, no one's proven anything will help.
I think that we treat symptomatically. Sometimes we'll put these
dogs on a little bit of cordico steroids case there
is some inflammatory problem on board. So if it's safe
to use steroids, I will you know, knowing, I wouldn't
swear by it. I wouldn't say you have to. It's
one of those things where nobody knows how to specifically
treat it. So let's see what happened to me. I
had an interesting case this week. I send this poor
dog home. This is a dog and this is Sometimes
it tells you that we can't always tell the extent
of an injury a dog bite when we see these
dogs come in. This was a little Pomeranian on the
older side, probably about nine that was attacked by large dogs.
And looking at the body of this dog, there were
no obvious tears or bite wounds or anything of depth.
There was no bleeding even but this dog was clearly
clearly in distress. Now, could it have been fear shock, absolutely,
but it was having a problem. So it turns out
that this poor dog, I'm gonna make a long detailed
story short, this poor dog had its trachea torn. So
what was happening is every time he was breathing, some
of the air coming down as trachia instead of all
going down with lungfield, was leaking out into what we
call his sub Q space in and around his neck,
his entire back. We took an X ray, which is
so fascinating, and he had as much air inside his
chest and body wall as he did outside. In other words,
his whole outside, from the skin to the body wall
was literally full of air. And when I made a
little hole on the side of the skin and pushed
it out, it sounded like you're letting air out of
a raft in a pool, and all the air came out.
It was amazing, And unfortunately, there's not a lot you
can do about this. Trachio surgery is very challenging, often
a disastrous and the so we put a body wrap
on him, we kept the air drains so we could
suck air out. And it's been four days now and
he is almost healed. It's just fascinating. If not, I
told the owner, we would have to get the poor
guy over to a boarded a veterinary surgeon and see
if you can do something to patch that trade ca up.
But fortunately, what it seems like it was probably just
a small tear and he is healing on his own,
which is rather fantastic.
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Speaker 2: Just coming out of the commercial break Arden Moore and
realized Arden was we had a good time last week
she joined us on the show and and uh, you know,
but talking to Arden's when it comes to behavior issues,
and you know, we were talking about certain things of
behaviors and mistakes that we make and then we expect
our pets to be perfect when a lot of the
mistakes that are made are because of us. So you know,
one of the things I would know was just working
with someone one of my clients just got a new puppy,
and we're talking about some of the mistakes that people
make with their pets and puppies and training. And you know,
one of the things that we talked about was, you know,
the paper training and the difficulty of getting the dog
or the puppy to start using the outside when you've
been training him in the house.
Speaker 3: And you know, it brought up a very interesting point.
Speaker 2: And I tell people this that the obviously dogs, we
want them to learn through positive reinforce and positive reward.
And when I use like a Weebi pad or paper
in the house, that is not really for the dog,
that's just for us. That's just for ease of cleanup,
and you know, to keep everything soundy. When a dog
makes a mistake in the house, just ignore it, just
clean it up. And I put the paper down just
for that reason. Unless you have a very small breed
and you plan on wanting the dog to go in
the house. That's say you live in a long way
we call here in the Westwood area, we have the
Wiltshire Corridor. That's these all houndo buildings, or certainly if
you live in a place like New York City or
Chicago and during the winter you don't want to get
out of bed or out of the house at eleven
o'clock at night. So you have that little teeny, you know,
Chihuahua or the palm or the maltese, and you want
him or to go whether it's on a balcony or
out in the kitchen. So then you will train them
to go on those places and when they do, you
get a lot of positive reward. But otherwise, the key
to get them to go outside is to take them outside.
Take them outside frequently, as often as you can. And
what I recommend even doing is because most puppies, of
course they feel secure in their den, and I'm a
fan of denning and crating, but they would prefer to
be with you. Let's face it, if you're in the
den and you're chilling in front of the TV or
reading your favorite book and the puppies inside and his crate,
you know that puppy would rather be with you, right Well,
what I recommend is first taking that dog outside, taking
the pup outside and hopefully take care of some business,
and you know what I mean, when he or she does,
you give that major praise, that major reinforcement. Then pick
the little guy up bring him or her inside with
you and let her chill with you. So what they'll
learn is that, oh, I get it for me to
be with mom or dad. They want me to go
to the bathroom mount right now. This is a really
really funny story. And this has happened more than once
that think about it for a second. What is the
body position that a dog does when they eliminate?
Speaker 3: They squad down?
Speaker 2: Right, The dog squats to eliminate and does and you
go ponkers, you go nuts.
Speaker 3: You call that, oh my god, the good boy?
Speaker 2: You' is it?
Speaker 3: The good girl?
Speaker 2: And hugs, hugs, kisses, you know the whole bit. Well,
what did the dog think? Did the dog think that
the reward was because he actually eliminated relieved himself? Was
it because of that funny looking squat that they did?
So meanwhile, so what happens, I've heard this before. The
dogs go outside, They just do a squat, nothing comes
out there, and they get all these dogs and kisses,
and they expect to come back inside and get to
spend time with you. So they tell you, they do learn.
They're really smart little creatures. So anyway, once again, if
you want them to ultimately learn to go outside. Spend
the time outside. Take them outside as often as you can.
Give them that positive reinforcement, that positive reward, let them
come in you a little bit, and that's why you'll
ultimately get them to use the outside and not the inside. Now,
another thing we talk about certain puppy behaviors we just
get such a kick out of. Okay, because they're cute,
they're really For example, how many of us don't love
when those little puppies jump up on your leg and
they're wagging that tail and they want, you know, they
want to give you some you know, good tongue and
they're licking your face and whatever. Well, what happens is
if you are going to have a puppy Mastiff or
a puppy Great Dane and you allow that behavior, I mean,
what is going to stop that behavior when that little
puppy is now one hundred and fifty pounds, so you
know here you are, you don't want them to jump
up finger.
Speaker 3: You don't wan have to jump.
Speaker 2: Up any kids, but you allowed it. All they're doing
is what they were allowed to do. So make sure
that when you have that dog who's jumping, who's gnawing
on your finger, because it's so cute when they're little
teeny puppies, but if you don't want them to exercise,
use that you know that same behavior when they're adult dogs,
and don't let them do it as a puppy. And
one of the you know, there are two ways to stop.
And I always say, and people think I'm nuts. Remember
you cannot roll up that newspaper and whack them because
it's not in their own repertoire. You do not know
what that means. But they will be a headshide and
they see a magazine. Could just all just lift up
a paper and they start shuting away. You know that
this poor guy at some point was smacked with a
newspaper or a magazine. So what I recommend doing is
typically these dogs are social. You get this little puppy
probably was probably with his litter for six to eight
to ten weeks. And so I always asked my new
pet parents to employee behaviors that the puppy recognizes and
when and half dogs learn what's called bite inhibition is
when they're playing with their littermates and all of a
sudden they bite one of their litter mats a little
too hard. And what happened. A little mat who received
the bite, well, what scream? And now the dog who
delivered the bite knows, whoops, I get that was too hard.
That's not playing because he didn't like that very much.
So what I recommend is when you're playing with your
puppies and they are biting a little too mauthy, what
I do is recommend give a yell, a loud screech,
a yell. Okay, I guess say scream out. So now
what's gonna happen is the dog's gonna stop, guaranteed, and
he's gonna look at you like whoa. Give him an
appropriate toy in its place, give him something that you
want him to start chewing on, obviously, something that's not
going to scream out in return. And when you put
in his mouth, have him take a couple of bites
and then deliver your positive reward, positive reinforcement. And that's
one way how they learn bite inhibition. If you have
that very dominant alpha puppy who is not going to
listen to that out, then you may have to play
mom's role. And I always say, what would mom do
if the puppies are playing and you know they're mouthing them,
doing all this stuff with mom, and all of a
sudden bite Mom a little too hard. Mom's not going
to scream out. No, Mom's going to give a deep growl.
And trust me, these puppies know what that means. And
I've had dogs where I, you know, very very mauv
and I've delivered that deep growl in an exam room once.
All I do is once, and for the rest of
that puppy series, every time they come in to see me.
Speaker 3: This dog is so.
Speaker 2: Different with me than it is with mom and dad.
They're not messing with me and they know it, and
they're all over me. They're happy, but they will not
put my finger in their mouth because they learned and
that sometimes takes is one good lesson, and man, it
is really effective. Another mistake people make and I want
to just go over this one real quickly, and that
is you know, you'll hear a million stories from experts,
and I buy experts. I'm saying that tongue in cheek.
These are the employees of a pet store that are
telling you what the best food is. So you come
in with food that the breeder or the shelter was
feeding or the rescue group wherever you got your dog from,
hopefully the rescue group or a shelter, and you want
to change it because you don't want to feed that stuff.
So you go into the pet shop and they say, right,
oh my god, you can't feed that. That stuff's the worst.
You need to feed this, and they give you a
new food. Well, guess what your dog's gonna end up.
Your puppy's gonna have diarrhea because you can't switch foods
that quick and expect it all to happen seamlessly. They
are a creature of habit. There are intestinal tracks adjust
So what happens you need to do is you need
to carefully switch food and if again, if you really
want to switch diet, that's okay.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't listen to the pet shop.
Speaker 2: I call your veterinarian and make sure the veterinarian approves
what you want to feed, or maybe has some his
are her own suggestions. But that's okay. But I think
it's important to whatever you're gonna do, do it slowly.
You do it gradually. Over It might be you know,
five to seven to ten days, and by that I
mean you're gonna feed eighty percent of what was being
fed and twenty percent of something new. Do that for
like a day or two, and then go to maybe
sixty forty, and then fifty to fifty and then forty
twenty eighty, and I'll ultimately one hundred percent of the
new food. So make sure that you realize that that
you can't quickly, you know, rapidly changed diet just for
the heck of it. You want to make sure you're
changing to something that is good. Talk to your veterinarian.
If you have a dog that's eating something and really
likes it, and has a nice shiny coat, seems to
have lots of energy, has normal bowel movements, everything looks good. Hey,
don't be in such a rush to switch, because every
dog is different. They're intestinal tractor. It's like people, you know,
you could you could talk to a zillion people that
you know how many times I've talked to someone that I,
you know, like to eat something.
Speaker 3: Oh God, I can't. It doesn't agree with me.
Speaker 2: Look at someone whom my BlackRose in tolerance, someone who
can't eat certain fish, whatever it is. Some people who
just don't like to eat certain things. They don't like
to taste, you know, try to get a kid to
eat Brussels sprout, it's not going to work. So you
know what you need to do is look at the cues,
look at the signs that your pet, your dog or
cat are giving you. Cats like variety more than dogs.
But what I recommend is, if you're going to give
a cat variety, try to stick with the same brand.
That might be helpful because sometimes if you switch Firth
too soon or too frequently again, they might have some
intestinal problems. So anyway, if you have any questions about
you know, things like that, and I already you know,
set something up with a good old Arden. More that
if we get a lot of behavior stuff, you guys
want to send me some emails to doctor Deftpetlife radio
dot com or give it's a call. I'm sure I
can twist Arden's arm and have her come in and
we can discuss these behavior topics together, because I always
love having different perspectives when it comes to behavior issues.
In fact, you probably learned, and many of you might
have discovered this already, that veterinarians don't get a lot
of behavior stuff. Most of the behavior stuff that we
get real learning through practice. So often they're going to
refer you to a behaviorist, to a trainer to you. Now,
there's actually a specialty within veterinary medicine to become a
board certified veterinary behaviors. It's like kind of get like
getting a PhD in behavior on top of your DVM.
So it's something that we love to get differences of opinion.
It's sort of what makes and understand. There are a
lot of techniques out there, and a technique that will
work with one pet may not work with another. So
it's always good to have some different viewpoints. So once again,
our half hour goes by so fast. I can easily
talk for half hour, I can talk for an hour
or even more, but I don't like to I want
to hear from you. So when you get the courage
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