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Speaker 2: I could ever I mean, I don't know if I would
Speaker 2: ever need one or want one, But like, I do
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Speaker 3: It's just just not for me.
Speaker 4: I think they look the cyber truck in person is
Speaker 4: so cool. It looks like a dufest design online. But like,
Speaker 4: I've started to see them a lot more around the
Speaker 4: city and I look at them and.
Speaker 3: Oh, as cool as hell.
Speaker 4: They're they're tanks, dude, They're awesome. But everybody that everyone
Speaker 4: just has a problem with Elon Musk and they just
Speaker 4: think that I mean, I guess he is a mastermind
Speaker 4: behind all of it. But they do look pretty cool.
Speaker 4: They're futuristic. We're going into a minimalistic society nowadays, and
Speaker 4: it just it's just it's just a car. There's nothing
Speaker 4: fancy about it. But I've seen people get them wrapped
Speaker 4: where they have cool uh, like where they have cool
Speaker 4: designs on them, and they're pretty bad ass.
Speaker 2: I remember I saw I saw one for the first
Speaker 2: time over the summer. I guess it was actually closer
Speaker 2: towards the Bring, and I was when I was traveling
Speaker 2: to Arkansas. We stopped in Missouri and stayed in a
Speaker 2: little town and there were a couple of them were together,
Speaker 2: I guess two people that had them and and I mean,
Speaker 2: it's time maybe, but it looks just so awesome and
Speaker 2: just something like something you've never seen before that you
Speaker 2: I mean, I was kind of in all just like
Speaker 2: staring like that looks like a spaceship kind of thing.
Speaker 4: They're like halfway like indestructible to you.
Speaker 2: And I'm sure look before, you know, if we live
Speaker 2: a long life, I would imagine that by the time
Speaker 2: we're getting closer to ending these long lives, they'll be everywhere.
Speaker 2: Like that's just kind of that's probably gonna be, How're yep,
Speaker 2: no doubt. All right, So we've got a couple of
Speaker 2: basketball games tomorrow that I know folks around here are
Speaker 2: are interested in, and really, you know, not a whole
Speaker 2: lot to gain for either team this weekend, and certainly
Speaker 2: a lot to lose, given uh, how the schedule sets up.
Speaker 3: But obviously the super.
Speaker 2: Bowl is coming up on Sunday, and we'll get back
Speaker 2: into that a little bit later on. I want to
Speaker 2: talk about some of the prop bets and and really
Speaker 2: just sort of what what appears to be most likely
Speaker 2: to play out here and in the Super Bowl. I
Speaker 2: can't really and I'm sure I'm just blanking on it,
Speaker 2: but I was thinking about it during the break. Have
Speaker 2: we got us? Have we had a Super Bowl result
Speaker 2: in recent years that like really stunned us because I
Speaker 2: feel like, more often than not, when we go in,
Speaker 2: we know, like when's the less time, like the overwhelming favorite?
Speaker 2: And really, I guess there are many overwhelming favorites. But
Speaker 2: like currently, let's see, like, do you know what the
Speaker 2: current spread is right now?
Speaker 4: Is it's still one and a half two, It's still
Speaker 4: one and a half right now.
Speaker 2: According to DraftKings it is Kansas City minus one and
Speaker 2: a half. So again, like, nobody's the overwhelming favorite. But
Speaker 2: the Chiefs are the are the betting favorite, and I
Speaker 2: believe they are. They're the team who most people think
Speaker 2: will win, even if they don't want it to happen.
Speaker 2: So you know what I was getting at is I
Speaker 2: think NFL teams, even though it's the ultimate stage, it's
Speaker 2: the biggest event in sports, and it's a chance to really,
Speaker 2: if you're an pack player, kind of change your legacy.
Speaker 2: If you're a part of a winning Super Bowl team.
Speaker 2: I mean that's a big deal. So despite all that,
Speaker 2: these teams usually come in are the same teams they've
Speaker 2: been all year, right, I mean maybe they maybe they
Speaker 2: don't have a good game necessarily, but I think for
Speaker 2: the most part, you kind of know what you're going
Speaker 2: to get from teams once you get to the Super Bowl,
Speaker 2: and I would imagine it's going to be a competitive game.
Speaker 2: And in those situations, guess who's really good in close
Speaker 2: competitive games down the stretch The Chiefs and Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 4: So I would like to think that the last shocker
Speaker 4: would probably be twenty seventeen when the Eagles finally won
Speaker 4: it just because they beat the Patriots.
Speaker 3: Shocker, it doesn't matter, I see what you did?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean shocker, Honor cowk Brunner.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Conn, I don't know her.
Speaker 4: But I would have I would have to say the
Speaker 4: Eagles just because it was it was Nick Foles, yeah right?
Speaker 3: What about the Rams one? Who did they beat the Bengals?
Speaker 3: That's right?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: And that was that was both well I mean sold
Speaker 3: yes exactly.
Speaker 2: And and and another thing is that the like the
Speaker 2: Rams were, they were the better team and it wasn't
Speaker 2: as big of a surprise that they were there, so
Speaker 2: when they did win, it was like, yeah, I guess
Speaker 2: it makes sense that the Bengals finally ran out of gas.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I can't.
Speaker 2: I mean the last like real big shocker that I
Speaker 2: remember in the Super Bowl as far and really there
Speaker 2: aren't that many like wow, can you believe that happened?
Speaker 2: Because very rarely do you have a team that randomly
Speaker 2: gets to the Super Bowl. They're usually pretty good. I mean,
Speaker 2: the Falcons had a good year and made it all
Speaker 2: the way there, and then of course they remembered for
Speaker 2: the ultimate choke job. We were in we were watching
Speaker 2: something that I thought was gonna gonna end up being
Speaker 2: a real overwhelming result because again the Patriots were getting
Speaker 2: handed to them.
Speaker 3: And then then one so, uh, I think it'll be
Speaker 3: competitive in.
Speaker 4: The Giants one where they beat the undefeated Patriots helmet catch.
Speaker 3: So that was the one I was going to go
Speaker 3: back to.
Speaker 2: But I was trying to think before then, and maybe
Speaker 2: this is just how I remember it because I was
Speaker 2: so disappointed. But when the Saints beat the Colts, Peyton
Speaker 2: and the Colts were great that year, and you know,
Speaker 2: and the Saints were. The Saints were also good, but
Speaker 2: you know, you had the you had the Colts coming
Speaker 2: off of their first Super Bowl.
Speaker 3: Just what a couple of years before that?
Speaker 1: Hmm?
Speaker 3: Maybe it was was it the year before that the
Speaker 3: Colts because they want it in.
Speaker 4: Two thousand and seven, right, and then it was it
Speaker 4: was two thousand. It was two thousand and nine that that, so, yeah,
Speaker 4: it was two thousand and seven. I can't remember.
Speaker 2: So that's what the freaking Philip Rivers and the Chargers
Speaker 2: beat them in in the playoffs in two thousand and
Speaker 2: seven and also two thousand and eight, and let's.
Speaker 3: See what year did they win at all?
Speaker 2: It's so it's listed as two thousand and six, two
Speaker 2: thousand and six, right, yeah, when they beat the Bears
Speaker 2: and it was the next yeah, so then they had
Speaker 2: they had two straight years losing to the Chargers because
Speaker 2: Philip Rivers had had our number.
Speaker 3: I hated that guy.
Speaker 2: And then it was in two thousand and nine when
Speaker 2: they lost to the Saints. And again like again that.
Speaker 4: Hank basket not holding on to that on sidekick.
Speaker 3: I mean, do you remember you about the one they
Speaker 3: did at halftime?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Does that?
Speaker 2: Like Sean Pats those are the kind of guys that
Speaker 2: I'm like, yea, I'm not even playing mad with you anymore.
Speaker 3: Like let's let's be real here, like you know.
Speaker 2: I mean, I just and that was a brilliant move
Speaker 2: and he would do it, and you know, I hated it.
Speaker 2: But yeah, that that team that year that won the
Speaker 2: Super Bowl, they were really good. They were thirteen and three.
Speaker 2: So but again, I just feel like because of Peyton
Speaker 2: and they had just won a couple of years prior,
Speaker 2: they were the more established team that I would imagine
Speaker 2: I mean, again, I could remember it wrong, but I
Speaker 2: would imagine that the fourteen and two.
Speaker 3: Colts that year were probably probably favorite.
Speaker 4: Cardinals almost had it the year before up against that
Speaker 4: was one of the best Super Bowls.
Speaker 3: That was a really good game, and that was there.
Speaker 4: Were like nine and eights.
Speaker 3: Is that Kurt Warner with the Cardinals.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Kurt Warner was at the very Kurt corner from
Speaker 4: bagging groceries to almost win in a Super Bowl. Larry
Speaker 4: Fitzgerald capped off probably the best postseason a wide receiver
Speaker 4: has ever had. And I remember living in Arizona at
Speaker 4: the time and going to sports bar. I'm watching it.
Speaker 4: I've never seen so much craziness and so much hecticness,
Speaker 4: and Bill Ben Roethlisberger officially entered into that that soul
Speaker 4: snatcher type of quarterback, developing that last drive and hitting
Speaker 4: Santonio Holmes in the corner of the end zone.
Speaker 3: Jim the cool John Jone.
Speaker 4: It was. It was just disgusting. It was a big,
Speaker 4: bad Steelers And once again, I don't think the Cardinals
Speaker 4: should have ever been there. I think they only won
Speaker 4: nine games and just snuck into the playoffs. But that
Speaker 4: had one hell of a run.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the that that is that's the only super Bowl
Speaker 2: win for Tom isn't it.
Speaker 3: I think it is right now?
Speaker 4: Yes, and up going and facing the Packers a few
Speaker 4: years later and lost to that too.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so and Rogers got his only one. So yeah,
Speaker 2: I think we'll get a competitive game. And as far
Speaker 2: as like what this does for for legacies, I mean,
Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes, I feel like I could lose and it's
Speaker 2: still gonna mean that he's one of the best of
Speaker 2: all time.
Speaker 3: And it does.
Speaker 2: And we shouldn't look at a loss here as a
Speaker 2: sign that they're not going to be back once again
Speaker 2: in the Super Bowl, because that's just kind.
Speaker 3: Of what they do.
Speaker 2: So I do feel though the win for the Eagles
Speaker 2: would probably not be the discussion quite as much as
Speaker 2: the potential non existent downfall of the Chiefs, right, Like,
Speaker 2: I mean the Chiefs, I just feel like because they
Speaker 2: are so established and any time, I mean, have they
Speaker 2: lost in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 4: They just lost to U U the Bucks.
Speaker 3: That's right, That's right, I forget about that.
Speaker 4: It's a very weird year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was so anyways, I mean, I don't know,
Speaker 2: I clearly I don't think anybody's doubting the Eagles as
Speaker 2: far as like, are they really good? Nope, I don't
Speaker 2: think anybody's out there claiming that they're not, you know,
Speaker 2: a really good team. But when you've got a team
Speaker 2: that's currently where, the Chiefs are the talk of the town,
Speaker 2: right they are the They are the hottest thing in
Speaker 2: the NFL and have been for a while now. That's
Speaker 2: just regardless of what happens with them, it's always they're
Speaker 2: going to continue to kind of lead the conversation. It'll
Speaker 2: be both right, They're gonna be There's gonna be a
Speaker 2: lot of talk about, Man, how huge was that for
Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts, Nick Siriann, How about Sequon Barkley.
Speaker 3: What a moment for his career.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's one of the better storylines you'll see
Speaker 2: in the NFL ever from the running back position.
Speaker 3: If he's to go from a.
Speaker 2: Terrible run in New York where that franchise just set
Speaker 2: him up for failure a by being bombs and losers,
Speaker 2: and then he goes to a successful organization like the
Speaker 2: Eagles and wins the super Bowl. So you know, I
Speaker 2: think there's really not a lot to lose on the
Speaker 2: chief side, and I don't really think there'll be a
Speaker 2: whole lot to lose as far as you know, I
Speaker 2: don't think you blow up the Eagles if they lose
Speaker 2: here and think we got to start over. Because if
Speaker 2: you're getting to the super Bowl, you know, two years
Speaker 2: in a three year period, two times in a three
Speaker 2: year window, and you got better this year when you
Speaker 2: added Barkley, I mean, it doesn't mean that you're really
Speaker 2: even missing some big key piece. I mean you might be,
Speaker 2: but you're really good. You know what the issue is,
Speaker 2: You're running into the Chiefs who are currently a monster,
Speaker 2: and I don't see them slowing down anytime soon.
Speaker 3: But I hope the Eagles win.
Speaker 2: I really do, all right, So the updated bracketology, and
Speaker 2: by the way, we're gonna get into some of the
Speaker 2: prop bets coming up later on in the hour here
Speaker 2: when it comes to the Super Bowl wagering. But the
Speaker 2: updated bracketology from the One and Only Joey Bracketts came
Speaker 2: out earlier today, and he's now updating it more frequently.
Speaker 2: But I'm now noticing that he's updating it. You know,
Speaker 2: he's updating it without really doing much updating, if that
Speaker 2: makes sense. And now you know it does make sense
Speaker 2: because this late in the year, there's a lot of
Speaker 2: data points out there, a lot of games you've played
Speaker 2: to where you know, if you keep winning or maybe
Speaker 2: if you lose a game, but it's to a really
Speaker 2: good team, you're probably going to be able to stay
Speaker 2: where you are on the line. But as of right now,
Speaker 2: he has Louisville still as a seventh seed. They would
Speaker 2: be taken on Texas and Milwaukee in the Midwest region
Speaker 2: the Indianapolis region, and the one seed in that region
Speaker 2: is Alabama and the two seed who they would play
Speaker 2: if things go chalk would be Purdue.
Speaker 3: So and I'm not going to get in.
Speaker 2: I mean, as far as like liking the draw. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's not terrible, but I don't even put a whole
Speaker 2: lot of thought into it because it's just.
Speaker 3: A random thing.
Speaker 2: I mean, again, when it comes to bracketology, predicting where
Speaker 2: somebody is as far as their seed range is really
Speaker 2: not that hard to do. And predicting who they play,
Speaker 2: I mean, you're just I mean just random, You're not really,
Speaker 2: I mean, it's not a prediction necessarily. It's really just
Speaker 2: a reference point. Kentucky they are as a I think that, yeah,
Speaker 2: they're well, they're a four seed. Some reason I thought
Speaker 2: they had he had him as a three. But Kentucky
Speaker 2: is a four seed and they are taken on Lipscomb,
Speaker 2: who's an auto qualifier, and then if they win, they
Speaker 2: would then play if it goes Chalk Ucla, who's a
Speaker 2: five seed in that region, that that one the one
Speaker 2: seed in that region the East is Duke, So I
Speaker 2: guess you know that's how it played out. That's who
Speaker 2: they would end up going up against. And the bubble
Speaker 2: the last team in according to Lenardi, wake Forest first
Speaker 2: team out cal in Arkansas, and the top overall seed
Speaker 2: is is Auburn. So here's how he has the bubble
Speaker 2: currently the last four in Wake Forest BYU, San Diego State,
Speaker 2: and Vanderbilt, and then the first four out Arkansas, Xavier, SMU,
Speaker 2: Central Florida, the next four out Pittsburgh, North Carolina.
Speaker 3: BCU, and USC.
Speaker 2: So what could happen here is if all of the
Speaker 2: teams currently on the bubble.
Speaker 3: End up.
Speaker 2: Getting you know, a favorable bounce if you will, right,
Speaker 2: they end up being on the right side of the bubble,
Speaker 2: that would give you or five, seven teams in the dance.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't predict that that happens, but it
Speaker 2: would also be really misleading because again you'd have a
Speaker 2: one seed with Duke, and then you would have from there,
Speaker 2: I mean, your best seed probably maybe be in a
Speaker 2: six or a seven, depending on if it's Clemson or Louisville,
Speaker 2: and then you know, teams that would be barely getting in.
Speaker 2: I would assume also the wrong side of the bubble,
Speaker 2: away from being a team that gets just three teams
Speaker 2: in the tournament and two are not great seeds, and
Speaker 2: then the one. You know, Duke's just propping this league up.
Speaker 2: Right now, so thirteen teams in the tournament according to
Speaker 2: Lonardi right now from the SEC Insane, ten from the
Speaker 2: Big Ten, eight from the Big Twelve, four from the ACC,
Speaker 2: four for the Big East, three from the Mountain West,
Speaker 2: and then two from the WCC. And this weekend with
Speaker 2: Louisville taking on a really bad Miami team and Kentucky
Speaker 2: taking on a not a really bad South Carolina team,
Speaker 2: but certainly not a good South Carolina team, and they
Speaker 2: are winless in the SEC, which again, if you look
Speaker 2: at their schedule, it actually says more about the league
Speaker 2: than anything else. So this is a weekend where you
Speaker 2: have a whole lot to lose and not not much
Speaker 2: to gain really at all. A loss would be devastating
Speaker 2: for both because with Kentucky, I mean it would be
Speaker 2: I mean just the optics and even the numbers wouldn't
Speaker 2: be great because South Carolina, despite not having a bad
Speaker 2: NET or a bad kN palm there, I mean, their
Speaker 2: record is not good and they're not they're not doing
Speaker 2: I mean, in fact, I think they are I think
Speaker 2: their last place in the UH, in in in the NET,
Speaker 2: in the in the SEC, and of course that would
Speaker 2: make them that would give them five and their five
Speaker 2: losses in their last six games, and again it would
Speaker 2: be to a bad team so a lot to lose
Speaker 2: there for Kentucky and then Louisville. I mean, look there,
Speaker 2: that would be a loss to Miami would be absolutely
Speaker 2: devastating to your resume. Hard it's hard for me to
Speaker 2: it's hard for me to see that you would like
Speaker 2: fall to being like absolutely on the bubble if you
Speaker 2: lose to Miami, because again you're currently a seventh seed
Speaker 2: according to most.
Speaker 3: But what what what the issue is for Louisville with.
Speaker 2: Losing some of these games is that right now, what's
Speaker 2: helping you is that you have an isolated result, so
Speaker 2: you're getting the benefit of the doubt because you don't
Speaker 2: have any good wins as far as real value in
Speaker 2: every loss of yours, but one five of your six
Speaker 2: losses are all quality losses that really don't do much
Speaker 2: to hurt you. In fact, some of them don't hurt
Speaker 2: you at all. But then Georgia Tech, that's a that's
Speaker 2: a that's a seven point loss at their place, and
Speaker 2: it's not a awful loss, but not a good one.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's a bad loss, trust me, it is
Speaker 2: a bad loss, I'm much, but it could be worse.
Speaker 2: Like if Georgia Tech was Boston College. I mean that
Speaker 2: would be that would be more crushing because Georgia Tech
Speaker 2: happens to be one hundred and fifteen spots ahead of.
Speaker 3: Boston College.
Speaker 2: So I think numbers wise, you're you're in a decent spot,
Speaker 2: right You're top thirty in the kin Palm, top thirty
Speaker 2: in the net. That's where you want to be. But
Speaker 2: a loss here to a team that's ranked one ninety
Speaker 2: two in the in the kin palm would would really
Speaker 2: I mean again, you're talking about a team that is
Speaker 2: nearly one hundred spots below a team meet just lost to,
Speaker 2: and you'd be losing to this team who's a lot
Speaker 2: worse at home. So like that's the kind of thing
Speaker 2: that one would hurt you badly in the metrics with
Speaker 2: the numbers. And also you no longer can say you
Speaker 2: have an isolated data point of a bad loss. You
Speaker 2: would have two really bad losses. So I think it
Speaker 2: could legitimately, and I don't think it'll happen. Eighty eight
Speaker 2: sixty nine is to projected score in kin Pom for
Speaker 2: this game tomorrow and Louisville again that we know they're
Speaker 2: a lot better. The Miami's an absolute mess, Like they're
Speaker 2: they're a team that really you could be making money
Speaker 2: on if if you've been fading them the last couple
Speaker 2: of months. But they did just win against Notre Dame
Speaker 2: last week and they haven't played since then. They only
Speaker 2: have five wins on the season. They're five and seventeen overall,
Speaker 2: one in ten now in the ACC. So they are
Speaker 2: the worst team in the league. And again, like there's
Speaker 2: really no point in saying much more than that. They're
Speaker 2: that bad. So I hope louisll doesn't lose. But again,
Speaker 2: that's that's where you are. You have a lot to
Speaker 2: lose the rest of the way and not very much
Speaker 2: to gain to the way, which is not a fun
Speaker 2: place to be. But look, if you take care of
Speaker 2: business and beat teams that you know you can beat.
Speaker 2: Different conversation now, agatting the issue is that if for
Speaker 2: some reason you're without Chucky Hepburn for you know, a
Speaker 2: few games or longer, can we still say that, like
Speaker 2: we know that Louisville should beat these teams that are bad.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think we can say that, but let's
Speaker 2: be real, Chucky Hepburn is the single most important player
Speaker 2: on this team and it is not even close. So
Speaker 2: now we wait to see if he's able to go tomorrow.
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Speaker 2: getting you set for the weekend.
Speaker 3: A big weekend around here, super Bowl, and of course.
Speaker 2: People talked about these big college basketball games, and again
Speaker 2: I keep saying big just because you know, trying to
Speaker 2: get you excited.
Speaker 3: For the weekend. But they're not big games.
Speaker 2: They're actually games that make me anxious because again, you win,
Speaker 2: it's what you're supposed to do, and you kind of
Speaker 2: need to win big. And if you lose, Man, that's devastating.
Speaker 2: And I don't think Lowe was going to lose to Miami.
Speaker 2: Trust me. I've had a couple of people ask me
Speaker 2: if I'm worried about the game. I mean, I'm worried
Speaker 2: about Chucky and he may play. He worried Nick and
Speaker 2: if he doesn't play, scared of Miami. I mean, if
Speaker 2: he doesn't play, that just kind of I mean, your
Speaker 2: confidence level is still good because Louisville, you feel like
Speaker 2: is still good to.
Speaker 3: Be able to well, I don't know. I mean, I
Speaker 3: think I'm lying to myself.
Speaker 2: The confidence level tomorrow if Chucky doesn't play, is based
Speaker 2: solely off of Miami sucking, right, I mean, that's what
Speaker 2: it comes down to. And it's not to say Louislle
Speaker 2: wouldn't be able to beat him without Chucky, but really
Speaker 2: they played good at the end of the game when
Speaker 2: he went out, but it was Boston College and you
Speaker 2: already up big whenever he got hurt. And you know,
Speaker 2: I think we've seen throughout the year that he's the
Speaker 2: most important player on the team, and so it's time
Speaker 2: to free Fats. Yeah yeah, I mean, look, that's clearly
Speaker 2: who would be running the show. And I want to
Speaker 2: give Fat a lot of credit because he's not only
Speaker 2: been a good player for Louisville this year, and I
Speaker 2: just think even when he stays aggressive and he misses shots,
Speaker 2: Louisville is better.
Speaker 3: He's better.
Speaker 2: It's the best case scenario when he stays aggressive and
Speaker 2: start to finish. So he's done a good job there.
Speaker 2: But he's been a really good defender. I mean, I
Speaker 2: don't think Patton knew he was getting a guy that
Speaker 2: would be able to defend the way that he has
Speaker 2: at times this year. So he's been great, but man,
Speaker 2: you'll have to put a lot more on him. And
Speaker 2: you know, it's kind of one of those games where
Speaker 2: because Louis had games where Rain doesn't need to just
Speaker 2: go crazy from three, right, but Rain would have to.
Speaker 4: Like this last game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he would have to contribute for sure when it
Speaker 2: comes to product producing points, but he can do. But
Speaker 2: he also, you know, let's be honest, when it comes
Speaker 2: to the amount of assist. This team has a lot
Speaker 2: of guys do distribute the ball. I mean, Terrence has
Speaker 2: had some games where he's had a lot of times,
Speaker 2: so you know, honestly, Trei Orra is a guy who's
Speaker 2: a pretty good passer too.
Speaker 3: But like Chucky is your leading leading assists.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: He leads the acc and assists. And I just.
Speaker 2: Feel like more often than not, when Rain Smith has
Speaker 2: made a three point shot, it is because it has
Speaker 2: come from Chucky. Hepburn, So you know, it changes a lot.
Speaker 2: And again I should have I should have put the
Speaker 2: disclaimer out there before now. But like we don't know
Speaker 2: if he's gonna play or not. He's he's listed as
Speaker 2: day to day and they're gonna see if he can
Speaker 2: go tomorrow. And if I could pull up the sound here,
Speaker 2: I'll let you hear what Pat Kelsey had to say,
Speaker 2: because you know, I think he's telling the honest truth.
Speaker 2: I do not believe that, you know, they're trying to
Speaker 2: keep information from us. I mean, maybe they're a little
Speaker 2: more confident than we realize. Maybe they're a little more
Speaker 2: worried when we realize. I don't know, but it's just
Speaker 2: gonna be one of those things that you can't get
Speaker 2: too caught up in. I mean, I get while you're
Speaker 2: thinking about it, I'm thinking about it too. I mean,
Speaker 2: I've spent more time thinking about a man's growing than
Speaker 2: I ever imagined I would. But here we are, and
Speaker 2: I don't regret any of it. But with Chucky, I mean,
Speaker 2: we're just gonna have to wait for every every uh,
Speaker 2: I mean every update from Pat, every game, and I
Speaker 2: think that's when we're going to be getting getting updates.
Speaker 2: And if it stays that way, you still never know
Speaker 2: how it's gonna work out. But that's the best case
Speaker 2: scenario than getting a press release that it's you know,
Speaker 2: says really bad news. So I mean, I I'm I'm
Speaker 2: a worrier in general. It's an issue of mine. It's
Speaker 2: just part of me who I am. So I get
Speaker 2: that I'm more worried than others, But a lot of
Speaker 2: people are kind of like, well, I mean, he's fine.
Speaker 2: You saw him at the end of the bench and
Speaker 2: and and I did see it, and that is encouraging.
Speaker 2: But I mean, I think the status that they're they're
Speaker 2: giving us is real, and it's it's a thing because
Speaker 2: if he was okay and it was no biggie and
Speaker 2: they were just being safe because they were up and
Speaker 2: he might have tweaked something and they didn't want to
Speaker 2: even risk it because of how important he is, they
Speaker 2: want to make sure and get it looked at before
Speaker 2: they let him play again. They mean, if that was
Speaker 2: the if that is what truly ended up being the
Speaker 2: case against Boston College, then we would have found that
Speaker 2: out today and we didn't, So worrying about it isn't
Speaker 2: going to help. But I'd be a liar if I
Speaker 2: told you that. I'm not gonna be thinking about it
Speaker 2: here and there. So my guess will be tomorrow, maybe
Speaker 2: around one o'clock they play it too, tips off at too,
Speaker 2: so we'll find I mean, I would be, I'd be.
Speaker 4: I would.
Speaker 2: I think if in fact they end up not playing,
Speaker 2: like he won't play, then I think we would. I mean,
Speaker 2: I think Dana Brown, the SID would send out that
Speaker 2: release probably about an hour before the game. I think
Speaker 2: if we get nothing, that's a good sign. But he
Speaker 2: also still may not play. That means like he's he's available,
Speaker 2: but they're still leting him rest. Which if that's the case,
Speaker 2: then I think that that's I mean, it's probably the
Speaker 2: best case scenario scenario because he's clearly clearly dealing with something.
Speaker 2: And I'm no expert, but you know, a groin injury
Speaker 2: regardless of really what it is, I shouldn't say regardless
Speaker 2: of what it is, but I know there's been different
Speaker 2: There's all kinds of diff There's Taekwondan had something with
Speaker 2: his with his groin that ended up being of really
Speaker 2: common injury I believe in hockey players. And it was
Speaker 2: kind of random how taekwon got it and he played
Speaker 2: through it for a long time and then finally ended
Speaker 2: up having had had to give had to get some surgery,
Speaker 2: and it really I mean, I don't know if if
Speaker 2: I don't know if he if he overdid it, but
Speaker 2: I mean I remember there was some fear that once
Speaker 2: he did actually have to get it taken care of,
Speaker 2: that maybe he played on it a little too much
Speaker 2: because it's something you can play on and you can
Speaker 2: just kind of deal with the pain if you can
Speaker 2: manage it.
Speaker 3: But you know, you don't want.
Speaker 2: To be doing that unless you just you know, you're
Speaker 2: in a situation where you're you know, you can fight
Speaker 2: through it and your team needs you. So again, we'll
Speaker 2: see tomorrow what would ends up happening. All right, speaking
Speaker 2: of Taekwonde, Tomorrow, they're going to be honoring the two
Speaker 2: thousand and five final four team, a special group. I
Speaker 2: believe everybody is is going to be there on that
Speaker 2: two thousand and five Final four team. I mean I
Speaker 2: can't haven't haven't personally been, you know, looking for RSVPs.
Speaker 2: But the folks I've talked to feel like it's going
Speaker 2: to be a really good turnout as far as the players,
Speaker 2: and you know, they want to have their coach obviously,
Speaker 2: and I am curious if Rick would have come back
Speaker 2: if he didn't have Well, actually, does Rick play tonight?
Speaker 3: I think he plays tonight?
Speaker 2: So maybe he could have come, but I think while
Speaker 2: he's still coaching, it would be awkward and it would
Speaker 2: be weird, but also you know, it wouldn't be the
Speaker 2: crazy thing if he was invited and he decided to come. Mean,
Speaker 2: I think he's I mean, we heard a couple of
Speaker 2: weeks ago that he asked for Pat Kelsey's number. He
Speaker 2: has Peyton seevafore it, So I don't know if the
Speaker 2: two have talked yet, but I mean that that could
Speaker 2: be the scenario.
Speaker 3: Where because here's here's the thing. Rick lied.
Speaker 2: I mean, when Rick said that he would go back
Speaker 2: to Louisville if he was invited back or welcome back, like,
Speaker 2: he lied, and that's what he does. He's you know,
Speaker 2: he tells his own truth. But I mean, if you remember,
Speaker 2: there's some players that tried their best to get him
Speaker 2: to be there for the twenty thirteen teams ten year
Speaker 2: reunion a couple years ago, and he didn't. You know,
Speaker 2: the UFL was completely fine with it and the players
Speaker 2: wanted him there and he chose not to come. So anyways,
Speaker 2: I wonder if now that maybe he's talked to Pat Kelsey,
Speaker 2: he'd be willing to come back. And look, we don't
Speaker 2: need him to come back. We've honored this team before,
Speaker 2: and you know, I'm happy for these guys. But one
Speaker 2: day Rick will be back here, and I part of
Speaker 2: me says it'll be a long time, because I think
Speaker 2: he's gonna be coaching a long time. And if you're
Speaker 2: gonna be honoring a team during the season, rarely will
Speaker 2: you know, rarely will the timing workout out. And even
Speaker 2: if you don't have a game on the day, it's
Speaker 2: still something you're taking away from your you know, your gig.
Speaker 3: Right like.
Speaker 2: Tomorrow, if Patino was to come here and he does
Speaker 2: play yukon the night at eight o'clock, but if Tino
Speaker 2: was to come here for tomorrow, I mean he could
Speaker 2: come and he's probably got a private planes. He could
Speaker 2: probably come and leave right after if he wanted to,
Speaker 2: and it wouldn't take up like his whole day. But still,
Speaker 2: like it's not ideal when you're in the middle of
Speaker 2: the season, and especially when his team's having a really
Speaker 2: good year.
Speaker 3: So who knows when it'll be, but it'll happen at
Speaker 3: some point.
Speaker 2: But that two thousand and five Final four team, obviously
Speaker 2: the players that that's that that are legends that we
Speaker 2: remember for we will remember forever if you were old
Speaker 2: enough to watch that team play when we were talking
Speaker 2: about Dean Garcia O'Bannon and I think Ellis Smiles is
Speaker 2: a really good example of a guy who had a
Speaker 2: really good career.
Speaker 3: Love Ellis Miles. You know he played here for I think.
Speaker 2: It was, yeah, four years, five, he was here five years,
Speaker 2: but if you remember, he got hurt and ended up
Speaker 2: getting a red shirt because of one of the injuries.
Speaker 2: So well play he played four years in five years,
Speaker 2: but he was a guy who ended up getting He
Speaker 2: had his best season that year, ten points and nine
Speaker 2: point two rebounds a game. I mean, just just a
Speaker 2: really good, reliable post player, knew who he was as
Speaker 2: a player, was a big time leader, real physical player.
Speaker 3: I mean, Ellis had a hell of a career. So
Speaker 3: I don't want to act.
Speaker 2: Like I'm saying that we view him more positively than
Speaker 2: we should. But he's a guy that if he wasn't
Speaker 2: a part of a Final four, you'd remember him. You'd
Speaker 2: say he's a good player. But there's a special something
Speaker 2: that comes with being a guy who was as good
Speaker 2: as him and you were a big piece to a
Speaker 2: Final four team. If that makes sense, Like trying to
Speaker 2: think of in twenty twelve, I guess I guess you
Speaker 2: could say that Kyle Kurrick has sort of that same
Speaker 2: like people remember Kyle Kuirrick. Honestly, maybe he's not a
Speaker 2: good example because Kyle has remembered for being a good
Speaker 2: player here. But man, the first thing who comes to
Speaker 2: mind for people when it comes to Kyle kirk is
Speaker 2: the he shut down, free them all and out of nowhere,
Speaker 2: came off the bench and you know, looked like Larry
Speaker 2: Bird out there. So that's such a random thing that
Speaker 2: happened at the time that it and it was so awesome,
Speaker 2: such a big win too, that that's probably the first
Speaker 2: thing that comes to mind. But he's a guy that
Speaker 2: had a good career, had some good numbers, but again
Speaker 2: he played in a final four. Trying to think of
Speaker 2: an example of somebody that was really good and the
Speaker 2: tournament success wasn't there, So you wouldn't say you wouldn't
Speaker 2: say they were a bad player. You wouldn't say that,
Speaker 2: you know, they weren't good, and they weren't, you know,
Speaker 2: really good compared to the history of the program, but
Speaker 2: you would put them probably you would kind of forget
Speaker 2: about him, and you wouldn't be listing them off as
Speaker 2: early as you probably would have if you were basing
Speaker 2: it just off like their production and what they did.
Speaker 4: I would say, like Jerry Smith comes up in that convo,
Speaker 4: Preston Knowles, they were on good teams that didn't happen
Speaker 4: to go far.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Preston Knowles is one of those guy that that
Speaker 2: you know, he's he's remembered in a major way, but yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean there's no big tournament run. Yeah, And honestly,
Speaker 2: he actually played and was a good reliable guard off
Speaker 2: the bench for those two Elite eight teams that ended
Speaker 2: up going to the the lost in North Carolina when
Speaker 2: they won the title, and then of course lost to
Speaker 2: Michigan State. He was on those teams, and you know,
Speaker 2: he wasn't a starting guard, but he played and at times,
Speaker 2: you know, had some had some good flashes, and then
Speaker 2: of course he just stick around and became a really
Speaker 2: good player throughout his entire career.
Speaker 3: But yeah, he did.
Speaker 2: He didn't specifically have a deep tournament run at all
Speaker 2: where because the best team that he was a part
Speaker 2: of was that team that lost to Morehead State, and
Speaker 2: we probably don't lose to Morehead State if he doesn't
Speaker 2: get hurt. But now Jerry Smith, it is probably a
Speaker 2: good one too. But Jerry played was so much like
Speaker 2: Jerry was never the guy. In fact, when he had
Speaker 2: to be the guy, he actually ended up needing to
Speaker 2: be benched unfortunately, just because he was starting to really
Speaker 2: struggle towards the very end of his career. I got
Speaker 2: one for you, and I think this is I mean,
Speaker 2: I'll be honestly, I think this is maybe the best example.
Speaker 2: Maybe not because the only only played here two years
Speaker 2: as far as a lot like as far as you know,
Speaker 2: being a big time guy. But Jordan Warre, I mean, yeah,
Speaker 2: Jordan Wore averaged seventeen points as a junior. He averaged
Speaker 2: eighteen points as a senior. You know, I believe, I
Speaker 2: mean he did he I think did he score thousand
Speaker 2: points in his career really only playing like I mean
Speaker 2: because he played for Paget as freshman season and didn't
Speaker 2: get a ton of minutes, but he averaged five points
Speaker 2: a game. It was really weird because he would actually,
Speaker 2: I mean he would actually produce when he would get in.
Speaker 2: It's just didn't he didn't play a whole lot. But yeah,
Speaker 2: in his career, let's see, he scored. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 2: he had thirteen hundred points and he really did that
Speaker 2: in two years time.
Speaker 3: Wow, I mean that's a yeah.
Speaker 2: Look, this is a perfect example because he had one
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty nine points total as a freshman, averaging five.
Speaker 2: He scored five hundred and seventy seven a as a sophomore,
Speaker 2: and scored five hundred and fifty eight as a junior.
Speaker 2: And keep in mind, as a junior, he didn't even
Speaker 2: get a tournament game, not even the ACC tournament.
Speaker 4: I mean, so it's insane.
Speaker 2: And I do I think I think he broke a
Speaker 2: record because I could be wrong here, but I believe
Speaker 2: his sophomore scoring average in twenty nineteen Max first year,
Speaker 2: which again was seventeen points a game. I think that
Speaker 2: broke the record for average points for any sophomore in
Speaker 2: Louisville history.
Speaker 3: And I think the record was rosier.
Speaker 2: But if you remember, they pulled his records because of
Speaker 2: the vacated stuff, so they didn't count it.
Speaker 3: But Terry had the hot Terry broke I think one
Speaker 3: of the.
Speaker 2: One of the McCrae brothers records for most points averaged
Speaker 2: by a sophomore, and then and then yet Jordan got it.
Speaker 3: Look, Jordan was an All American.
Speaker 2: I mean he's ap All American third team I mean
Speaker 2: USA Basketball Writers All American third Team. I mean, that's
Speaker 2: an honor that nobody has had at Louisville.
Speaker 4: He also played for the Nigerian team in college.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's an honor that I don't think anybody has
Speaker 2: had since I mean since him, and I don't really
Speaker 2: remember who it was before him, probably Russ and Peyton
Speaker 2: and those guys. Right, I mean, if you are a
Speaker 2: third team All American, you are at least a top
Speaker 2: fifteen player in the country. And that's a that's a
Speaker 2: hard thing to to. I mean, like, as much as
Speaker 2: I thought Carly Jones was really really good in his
Speaker 2: one season at Louisville, I don't think he was an
Speaker 2: All American player. But maybe he was, because again, that's
Speaker 2: a real forgettable season. So Jordan is one of those
Speaker 2: guys for some reason. Though he also, like people didn't
Speaker 2: like Jordan as much as they would like a guy
Speaker 2: who typically is that good, right, Like he he had
Speaker 2: a really I mean, I'll just say it. I mean
Speaker 2: Mack used to say it. Maybe not publicly, but he
Speaker 2: had resting bitch face like Jordan looked like he he
Speaker 2: looked like he he looked like he was a powder
Speaker 2: like he he did not. You know, I can't think
Speaker 2: of what would he call it. He wouldn't call it
Speaker 2: energy or even maybe he was body language. But I
Speaker 2: feel like there was some other word that that that
Speaker 2: Mack would would use to describe sort of Jordan kind
Speaker 2: of just he would he'd be playing well and kind
Speaker 2: of just floating round and just not looking like he
Speaker 2: was totally locked in, like kind of being on his
Speaker 2: tippy toes. But man, he was a I mean he
Speaker 2: still is. But he was a really talented player, like
Speaker 2: a six seven, two hundred and twenty five five guy
Speaker 2: that could fill it up.
Speaker 3: I mean he could get hot.
Speaker 1: Ude.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was athletic enough to dunk on you. He
Speaker 2: I mean, I really thought he was gonna be a
Speaker 2: star in the NBA. That's a stretch A champion technically, Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's true, that's a stretch. I don't think he should
Speaker 2: have been a star, but I thought he would have
Speaker 2: lasted a long time in the NBA because I just
Speaker 2: feel like currently his game actually fits the NBA in
Speaker 2: a perfect ways. He's big enough, he's athletic enough, and
Speaker 2: he can flat out shoot it. I mean, he's the
Speaker 2: best scorer since Russ Smith that Louisville as far as
Speaker 2: just being able to have two points at halftime and
Speaker 2: end up with twenty seven, Like he could do that
Speaker 2: and it wouldn't be a big shock.
Speaker 3: And I know some people thinking, well his defense, Yeah,
Speaker 3: and no.
Speaker 2: I mean that was a frustrating thing about Jordan is
Speaker 2: that when he wanted to play defense and he really
Speaker 2: got into it, he could defend. I mean he didn't
Speaker 2: have any I mean he lost so much weight. He
Speaker 2: You're at Louisville and he was pudgy when he first
Speaker 2: got here. Ye lost weight, became an athlete. So he's
Speaker 2: a really good example of somebody that just isn't going
Speaker 2: to be thought of the same as guys who were
Speaker 2: part of special tournament runs. And that's why I think,
Speaker 2: like Otis George Man, that's a guy you absolutely forget
Speaker 2: about if he's not on that special team. They gave
Speaker 2: Louisville their first Final four since nineteen what was it,
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty six? They get back to one after that title,
Speaker 2: I'm sure they did not in the nineties right now.
Speaker 2: They did in the nineties, so maybe they didn't after
Speaker 2: eighty six. Yeah, but yeah, so special group and the
Speaker 2: fact that they're this old makes me feel old, to
Speaker 2: be honest with you. But hopefully there's a great turn
Speaker 2: out tomorrow and those guys get a big, a big standing.
Speaker 3: Oh all right, quick break, we'll keep it locked right here. Well,
Speaker 3: actually we want you to keep it locked right here.
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Speaker 2: With sportscambling becoming so much more popular every year and
Speaker 2: more accessible, and it's directly in your face. These professional
Speaker 2: leagues are clearly in bed with the sports books and
Speaker 2: everybody's taken all of our money and I'm loving ever
Speaker 2: minute of it, to be honest with you. So uh,
Speaker 2: we've had stories of this becoming an issue, right you
Speaker 2: had the Johntay Porter situation. I mean, there's been a
Speaker 2: handful of stories that that I'm sure aren't good looks
Speaker 2: that nobody wants happening. But again, as I always say,
Speaker 2: anybody who was in favor that had like any legitimate
Speaker 2: influence in sports betting becoming legal in so many states,
Speaker 2: they didn't. They didn't do this thinking that this would
Speaker 2: never happen. They knew that it would. It would happen
Speaker 2: at some point, and you just have to hold people.
Speaker 2: You have to put every resource possible into making sure
Speaker 2: that you're not having guys out here compromising the integrity
Speaker 2: of your sport. But also you got to make examples
Speaker 2: out of people who do in fact that, because you know,
Speaker 2: it should teach people the lesson. So with all that said,
Speaker 2: when it comes to these prop bets, because these are
Speaker 2: so easy to potentially like manipulate, I'm just surprised that
Speaker 2: they still exist. Like will any player or coach cry
Speaker 2: during the national anthem? Of course, I mean there could
Speaker 2: be a guy that's I mean on a on a
Speaker 2: minimum lead contract, which still a lot of money, But
Speaker 2: they could tell somebody to, you know, put a crazy
Speaker 2: wager on random player to cry. But you know thenn't
Speaker 2: you then you'd have to like I didn't get it works.
Speaker 4: Like, like do they have to catch them crying on TV?
Speaker 2: Yeah, like what if? What if I told the sports book? Yeah,
Speaker 2: you didn't get it on TV, but I took a picture.
Speaker 2: I was at the game.
Speaker 3: He cried like I don't. I mean it's and there's
Speaker 3: some of the.
Speaker 4: The slide in the Fanduels d.
Speaker 2: The most I mean, the most upstanding, I guess, the
Speaker 2: most established sports books. They don't really take a lot
Speaker 2: of these crazy you know, prop bets, but I mean
Speaker 2: there's one here, Drake's Super Bowl curse. What team will
Speaker 2: he be representing?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 2: I mean it's plus one point thirty for the Eagles,
Speaker 2: minus one seventy for the Chiefs. Have you ever bet
Speaker 2: on one of these and actually won some money?
Speaker 4: I not one of those crazy ones, but I did.
Speaker 4: I think a couple of years ago, I think it
Speaker 4: was anyone but a quarterback to throw a touchdown pass.
Speaker 4: I can't remember which game, which game it was, but
Speaker 4: I mean you got two very innovative offensive court offensive
Speaker 4: mines at the helm of each team.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it was two years ago. I came
Speaker 2: up short in a parlay that was just nothing but
Speaker 2: like player prop bets, and it was a bummer, but
Speaker 2: it was a fun ride.
Speaker 3: It ended up coming up just short, but.
Speaker 4: Feel like the Gatorade color one could be easily manipulated to.
Speaker 3: I did whin.
Speaker 2: I don't remember who it was, and I'm actually looking
Speaker 2: up right now because it's going to drive me crazy.
Speaker 2: But the one year there was a female that sang
Speaker 2: the national anthem and I took the I took the
Speaker 2: under it and it hit, but I don't remember. Oh,
Speaker 2: I think it was. Oh, it was Demi Levado in
Speaker 2: two thousand. Yeah, so I remember I was doing commercials
Speaker 2: at the time for I Believe FanDuel and I. You know,
Speaker 2: they wanted me to include in my commercials which like
Speaker 2: which picks I had, and I remember I had a
Speaker 2: really like corny line of it's just a very corny delivery,
Speaker 2: I said.
Speaker 3: Demi Levado, give me the under it.
Speaker 2: Just you know, I've had many commercials over the years
Speaker 2: that are, you know, one air out the other. I
Speaker 2: don't feel like they stand out to me. I hear
Speaker 2: my voice enough, and then there's somewhere I'm like, man, I
Speaker 2: should have listened to that back and recut it because
Speaker 2: that sound awful. In fact, awful is how I described
Speaker 2: my voice right now. But can't keep me out of here.
Speaker 3: Thank you. I appreciate that.
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