WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.000 --> 00:00:05.960 What's up everyone, and welcome back to the program. When 2 00:00:06.000 --> 00:00:09.640 Brian Cooberger was first arrested, we had learned that over 3 00:00:09.839 --> 00:00:14.919 fifty digital warrants had been served against Brian Coberger. Well, 4 00:00:14.960 --> 00:00:18.559 now we're learning a little bit more about those warrants 5 00:00:18.920 --> 00:00:22.399 and what companies they were issued to in regard to 6 00:00:22.480 --> 00:00:27.320 Brian Coolberger and his alleged involvement in these murders, and 7 00:00:27.440 --> 00:00:29.879 as far as court documents, forget it, there was a 8 00:00:29.920 --> 00:00:32.840 gigantic dump over the weekend that I'm going to be 9 00:00:32.880 --> 00:00:36.640 diving into and adding to the catalog. But they released 10 00:00:36.679 --> 00:00:40.159 a lot of court documents, and most of it obviously 11 00:00:40.200 --> 00:00:43.359 had to do with these warrants that were served and 12 00:00:43.479 --> 00:00:47.119 some other documents that have been filed under seal. But 13 00:00:47.240 --> 00:00:49.520 before we do all of that, let's dive into this 14 00:00:49.679 --> 00:00:52.280 article from the Daily Mail and get a little bit 15 00:00:52.320 --> 00:00:56.439 of an idea about what we're dealing with. Headlined, Cops 16 00:00:56.439 --> 00:01:00.799 investigating Idaho murder suspect Brian Coolberger had issued more than 17 00:01:00.880 --> 00:01:05.719 sixty warrants to major firms including Amazon, Door, Dash, Reddit, 18 00:01:06.040 --> 00:01:11.000 and Tinder. This article was authored by Alissa Gusman and 19 00:01:11.200 --> 00:01:16.760 Steven Lapour. Police have issued more than sixty warrants to 20 00:01:16.799 --> 00:01:22.560 companies including door Dash, Verizon, Tinder, and Reddit while investigating 21 00:01:22.560 --> 00:01:27.280 Idaho murder suspect Brian Coohberger. But the findings remain under 22 00:01:27.280 --> 00:01:30.400 lock and key, and that's to be expected. Not only 23 00:01:30.439 --> 00:01:32.760 would the gag order, but when you have a case 24 00:01:32.799 --> 00:01:35.519 of this nature, you're gonna have a lot of documents 25 00:01:35.680 --> 00:01:38.400 that get filed under seal, or at the very least, 26 00:01:38.480 --> 00:01:41.159 they're going to get filed and they're going to be redacted. 27 00:01:41.640 --> 00:01:44.879 But even when those files are sealed or they're redacted, 28 00:01:45.519 --> 00:01:48.280 it gives us an idea, at least of which way 29 00:01:48.359 --> 00:01:53.519 the wind is blowing. Shortly after the alleged murderer twenty 30 00:01:53.560 --> 00:01:57.400 eight was extradited to Idaho for the November thirteenth murders 31 00:01:57.400 --> 00:02:02.239 of Kailee Gonsalvez, Madison Mogan, Xana Kernodle, and Ethan Chapin, 32 00:02:02.760 --> 00:02:05.719 a gag order was put in place, barring attorneys, law 33 00:02:05.799 --> 00:02:10.400 enforcement agencies, and others associated with the case from talking 34 00:02:10.919 --> 00:02:14.159 or writing about it. Among the seven hundred and fifty 35 00:02:14.199 --> 00:02:18.199 pages of documents are warrants to more than sixty companies, 36 00:02:18.520 --> 00:02:23.960 including door Dash, Verizon, Reddit, Amazon, Match Group which owns Tinder, 37 00:02:24.319 --> 00:02:28.599 and Meta. Among others. Now, remember Metta also owns Instagram, 38 00:02:28.919 --> 00:02:32.639 and we've heard a lot of reports about Brian Koberger 39 00:02:32.759 --> 00:02:35.360 following the girls at least a couple of them on 40 00:02:35.400 --> 00:02:39.560 Instagram and sending them direct messages. So you could see 41 00:02:39.560 --> 00:02:43.680 where the metal warrant comes from for sure. Early on 42 00:02:43.719 --> 00:02:47.080 in the case, Internet slews claimed they found a Reddit 43 00:02:47.080 --> 00:02:51.360 account that made accurate predictions about the case, reportedly before 44 00:02:51.400 --> 00:02:55.960 the information was released publicly. He also allegedly used a 45 00:02:56.000 --> 00:03:00.199 Reddit account to conduct a study of criminal's decision making. 46 00:03:00.840 --> 00:03:03.199 And when that first happened, we talked about it right 47 00:03:03.240 --> 00:03:05.960 away here on the podcast. I just happened to stumble 48 00:03:06.000 --> 00:03:08.960 on it when we first heard his name. Obviously, you 49 00:03:09.039 --> 00:03:12.039 dive right in and you start looking for the digital footprint. 50 00:03:12.840 --> 00:03:14.759 At least for me, that's what I do whenever I 51 00:03:14.800 --> 00:03:17.080 hear about something like this, to try and get an 52 00:03:17.120 --> 00:03:19.879 idea of who we're dealing with, right And I happen 53 00:03:19.960 --> 00:03:22.960 to stumble on that Reddit survey, and about twenty five 54 00:03:23.000 --> 00:03:26.919 minutes later it was already scrubbed from Reddit. So they 55 00:03:26.919 --> 00:03:29.680 get to scrub and stuff real quick when we're talking 56 00:03:29.719 --> 00:03:32.400 about a crime like this. I mean, look how quick 57 00:03:32.439 --> 00:03:36.039 they had Steven Paddock, the guy that was responsible allegedly 58 00:03:36.400 --> 00:03:38.800 for the Las Vegas shooting. Look at how quick they 59 00:03:38.800 --> 00:03:41.840 had his profile scrub from the internet. You can't find 60 00:03:41.879 --> 00:03:45.639 anything about that dude. The documents under the gag order 61 00:03:45.840 --> 00:03:49.719 contain highly intimate facts or statements which would be highly 62 00:03:49.759 --> 00:03:54.039 objectional to a reasonable person, the judge said. The documents 63 00:03:54.039 --> 00:03:56.960 are also sealed due to the fact that it might 64 00:03:57.000 --> 00:04:01.280 threaten the safety of or endanger the life or safety 65 00:04:01.520 --> 00:04:05.199 of individuals. And there's always an element of that when 66 00:04:05.240 --> 00:04:08.800 you're dealing with a high profile case. Like I always say, 67 00:04:09.159 --> 00:04:12.280 the bigger the tent, the bigger the circus, So you 68 00:04:12.360 --> 00:04:15.439 never know what sort of lunatics are following along with 69 00:04:15.479 --> 00:04:18.600 the case or whatever. So the safety of witnesses is 70 00:04:18.639 --> 00:04:21.879 certainly something that has to be very very much respected 71 00:04:22.319 --> 00:04:27.560 and safeguarded. Gonsalva's family attorney, Shannon Gray, filed an appeal 72 00:04:27.600 --> 00:04:31.600 against the gag order earlier last month, calling it fascily 73 00:04:31.720 --> 00:04:36.639 over broad and vague and unconstitutional, claiming it violated their 74 00:04:36.720 --> 00:04:40.000 right to free speech. An attorney for one of the 75 00:04:40.120 --> 00:04:43.120 victim's families, I am allowed to relay to the media 76 00:04:43.480 --> 00:04:46.839 any of the opinion's views, their statements of those family 77 00:04:46.879 --> 00:04:52.000 members regarding any part of the case, Gray said. Colberger's lawyer, 78 00:04:52.160 --> 00:04:55.680 Public defender Ann Taylor, filed an objection to the appeal, 79 00:04:56.000 --> 00:04:59.319 saying it doesn't violate First Amendment rights and does not 80 00:04:59.720 --> 00:05:02.680 fat shall be vague. And we've seen the back and 81 00:05:02.720 --> 00:05:06.040 forth in the court documents with these filings and how 82 00:05:06.079 --> 00:05:12.079 contentious this relationship remains. Shannon Gray and the Gonsalvis family 83 00:05:12.399 --> 00:05:16.600 have had a very contentious relationship with the investigation since 84 00:05:16.600 --> 00:05:20.399 the very beginning and that remains to this day. And 85 00:05:20.439 --> 00:05:23.839 this gag order honestly certainly isn't helping matters as far 86 00:05:23.959 --> 00:05:26.920 as bridging the gap, because when you listen to the 87 00:05:26.959 --> 00:05:30.839 Gonsalvest family, their contention is that this is a First 88 00:05:30.839 --> 00:05:34.480 Amendment right and that a court in Idaho has no 89 00:05:34.680 --> 00:05:37.800 power to step on people's First Amendment. So that's the 90 00:05:37.959 --> 00:05:40.480 crux of the battle back and forth inside of the 91 00:05:40.519 --> 00:05:45.399 courtroom right now at the Supreme Court level in Idaho. 92 00:05:45.759 --> 00:05:49.000 If mister Gray truly intends only to voice his clients' 93 00:05:49.040 --> 00:05:53.720 thoughts and opinions, then the court's previous exemption has already 94 00:05:53.759 --> 00:05:57.879 cured the supposed First Amendment infirmity. Mister Gray's clients may 95 00:05:57.959 --> 00:06:01.680 voice these thoughts and opinions themselves, as they have clearly 96 00:06:01.959 --> 00:06:06.639 been doing, wrote Jay Weston Lodgson, an attorney with Taylor's office. 97 00:06:07.120 --> 00:06:10.000 And that's what I get from the court rulings from 98 00:06:10.800 --> 00:06:14.319 Megan Marshall, Judge Marshall. When you go through those court documents, 99 00:06:14.600 --> 00:06:17.800 it seems like the family members, the Gonsalvist family members 100 00:06:17.839 --> 00:06:22.160 themselves can talk about the case, but when it comes 101 00:06:22.199 --> 00:06:26.160 to Shannon Gray, he obviously can't because he's a lawyer. 102 00:06:26.560 --> 00:06:30.279 And according to the court, the prosecution, and the defense. 103 00:06:30.759 --> 00:06:34.360 That's why the gag order is constitutional, because Shannon Gray 104 00:06:34.439 --> 00:06:37.079 is held to a different standard as an officer of 105 00:06:37.120 --> 00:06:42.600 the court than regular people would be. Leyta County Prosecutor 106 00:06:42.680 --> 00:06:47.680 Bill Thompson noted that the victims' families, particularly the Gonsalvices, 107 00:06:48.000 --> 00:06:51.160 could take the stand. Now, the cynic in me wonders 108 00:06:51.199 --> 00:06:54.759 if they're saying that just to keep them quiet. Right, 109 00:06:55.079 --> 00:06:58.120 Let's say that the Gonsalvist family might be witnesses, so 110 00:06:58.199 --> 00:07:01.480 that the gag order covers that well. Because if they 111 00:07:01.480 --> 00:07:05.680 weren't witnesses obviously or potential witnesses, then the gag order 112 00:07:05.800 --> 00:07:08.800 would mean nun gods. See, the gag order doesn't mean 113 00:07:08.839 --> 00:07:11.399 anything to me or you, right only to people who 114 00:07:11.399 --> 00:07:16.639 are participating within this trial. The members of the Gonsalvas 115 00:07:16.680 --> 00:07:20.600 family who are represented by Gray are potential witnesses in 116 00:07:20.680 --> 00:07:24.720 this case, including at trial end or sentencing, he wrote 117 00:07:24.720 --> 00:07:29.439 in an affid David Wednesday. Thirty news organizations have also 118 00:07:29.560 --> 00:07:33.040 asked the Supreme Court in Idaho to overturn the gag order. 119 00:07:33.560 --> 00:07:37.360 The coalition of news organizations contends that it violates the 120 00:07:37.399 --> 00:07:40.839 right to free speech by prohibiting it from happening in 121 00:07:40.920 --> 00:07:45.519 the first place. Justice cannot survive behind the walls of silence. 122 00:07:45.879 --> 00:07:49.959 For that reason, a responsible press has always been regarded 123 00:07:50.120 --> 00:07:55.199 as the handmaiden of effective judicial administration, especially in the 124 00:07:55.240 --> 00:07:59.959 criminal field. Coalition attorney Wendy Olsen wrote in the court five, 125 00:08:00.560 --> 00:08:05.279 quoting historic court rulings about prior restraints on free speech. 126 00:08:05.759 --> 00:08:08.600 And that's what we've been talking about with those court 127 00:08:08.639 --> 00:08:11.319 documents for the most part over the last few days, 128 00:08:12.480 --> 00:08:17.040 talking about Genteel versus Nevada, the Maxwell case. You know, 129 00:08:17.160 --> 00:08:20.000 all of that precedent that has been brought forward here 130 00:08:20.279 --> 00:08:23.560 to try and bolster the case of the state. When 131 00:08:23.560 --> 00:08:27.480 we're talking about they're intervening or on the flip side. 132 00:08:27.560 --> 00:08:32.080 When Shannon Gray is talking about his narrative, then obviously 133 00:08:32.320 --> 00:08:35.519 he's providing all kinds of precedent that go along with 134 00:08:35.559 --> 00:08:37.799 what he has to say as well. Then it's up 135 00:08:37.840 --> 00:08:40.919 to the court to decide what precedent they're going to 136 00:08:40.960 --> 00:08:44.399 base their ruling upon. And honestly, I think the court 137 00:08:44.519 --> 00:08:46.720 is going to uphold the gag order. When all is 138 00:08:46.759 --> 00:08:50.039 said and done, I think the Court will uphold Judge 139 00:08:50.080 --> 00:08:53.159 Megan Marshall's gag order and that's just going to be 140 00:08:53.200 --> 00:08:56.840 the end of it. Despite the public interest in the case, 141 00:08:57.399 --> 00:09:00.200 there have not been any notable leaks of information and 142 00:09:00.399 --> 00:09:03.600 that would prejudice Coburger's right to a fair trial. Olsen 143 00:09:03.720 --> 00:09:08.000 said the news organizations and the coalition would have published 144 00:09:08.000 --> 00:09:11.720 additional information about the slayings if the gag order wasn't 145 00:09:11.759 --> 00:09:14.639 in place. She wrote, there's no doubt if there was 146 00:09:14.679 --> 00:09:17.919 no gag order, then agents of the court would certainly 147 00:09:17.960 --> 00:09:21.600 be talking to the media one hundred percent without a doubt. 148 00:09:22.399 --> 00:09:26.360 For instance, police in Pennsylvania told one reporter they can't 149 00:09:26.399 --> 00:09:29.559 say whether they are reviewing unsolved cases that could be 150 00:09:29.600 --> 00:09:32.679 linked to Coburger because of the gag order, and the 151 00:09:32.679 --> 00:09:36.519 mayor of Moscow told another reporter he can't talk about 152 00:09:36.600 --> 00:09:40.279 overall community healing. That's a bunch of bs that should 153 00:09:40.279 --> 00:09:43.440 not be covered by a gag order. And the people 154 00:09:43.480 --> 00:09:47.879 who are representing the city of Moscow, elected officials and 155 00:09:47.919 --> 00:09:51.159 the like, they should answer that kind of stuff. What's 156 00:09:51.200 --> 00:09:54.360 the community feeling right now, how much money has been spent. 157 00:09:54.840 --> 00:09:57.519 That's the kind of stuff that shouldn't be protected under 158 00:09:57.559 --> 00:10:00.000 a gag order. And that's what gets people fired up. 159 00:10:01.200 --> 00:10:03.720 They get this gag order and they say it's about 160 00:10:04.000 --> 00:10:07.000 making sure that Brian Colberger gets a fair trial. And 161 00:10:07.120 --> 00:10:09.480 I'm on board with that. But when you try and 162 00:10:09.639 --> 00:10:12.200 use the vast scope of this gag order to make 163 00:10:12.240 --> 00:10:13.879 it so you don't have to talk to the media 164 00:10:13.960 --> 00:10:17.559 at all, that's a bunch of bs, and elected officials 165 00:10:17.679 --> 00:10:21.159 shouldn't be given that kind of cover. Several journalists have 166 00:10:21.240 --> 00:10:26.240 had public record requests rejected or left unfilled because agencies 167 00:10:26.279 --> 00:10:29.240 in Idaho and Washington fear they would run a foul 168 00:10:29.360 --> 00:10:32.879 of the order. Petitioners do not make the news. They 169 00:10:32.960 --> 00:10:36.480 report the news. They cannot report what they cannot gather. 170 00:10:36.799 --> 00:10:41.360 Olsen wrote Coburger was arrested December thirtieth by a swat 171 00:10:41.360 --> 00:10:44.480 team at his parents' home in Pennsylvania as they move 172 00:10:44.559 --> 00:10:48.480 to search his apartment at Washington State University. He is 173 00:10:48.559 --> 00:10:52.480 previously indicated that he believes he will be exonerated, though 174 00:10:52.559 --> 00:10:55.279 his family is unable to pay for him to have 175 00:10:55.399 --> 00:10:59.679 private representation. Coburger is yet to enter a plea for 176 00:10:59.759 --> 00:11:04.039 the murders of Matti Mogan, Kaylee Gonsalves, Xana Kernodle, and 177 00:11:04.159 --> 00:11:09.039 Ethan Chapin. Authorities released the probable cause affid David after 178 00:11:09.120 --> 00:11:13.799 Coburger just before his first hearing in Moscow in Idaho 179 00:11:13.919 --> 00:11:17.559 on January fifth. It reveals how he turned his phone 180 00:11:17.559 --> 00:11:19.879 off on the night of the murders in an alleged 181 00:11:19.879 --> 00:11:23.120 attempt to cover his tracks. He is even alleged to 182 00:11:23.120 --> 00:11:25.639 have returned to the scene of the crime at nine 183 00:11:25.720 --> 00:11:30.039 am on November thirteenth, just hours after police believe he 184 00:11:30.080 --> 00:11:34.440 committed the quadruple murder. The documents say the criminal justice 185 00:11:34.480 --> 00:11:39.559 graduate stalked the property at least twelve times. Officials have 186 00:11:39.759 --> 00:11:42.879 not yet revealed the exact dates they believe he canvassed 187 00:11:42.919 --> 00:11:46.919 the three story property, but confirmed that in August he 188 00:11:47.039 --> 00:11:50.440 was pulled over just two minutes after leaving the area 189 00:11:50.559 --> 00:11:53.759 covered by the cell phone tower closest to the home, 190 00:11:54.039 --> 00:11:55.960 And all of this stuff is going to be damning. 191 00:11:56.360 --> 00:11:58.639 And I can't wait for the trial portion to start 192 00:11:59.159 --> 00:12:01.440 so that all of these loud mouths out here that 193 00:12:01.519 --> 00:12:04.480 think Brian Coburger is innocent and that all of this 194 00:12:04.600 --> 00:12:08.919 evidence is circumstantial can get themselves a nice fat helping 195 00:12:08.960 --> 00:12:12.279 of CROTI eat, because the more I learn about this case, 196 00:12:12.480 --> 00:12:16.000 the more court documents I read, the more I'm convinced 197 00:12:16.039 --> 00:12:20.639 that Brian Coburger is guilty. A Lata County Sheriff's deputy 198 00:12:20.720 --> 00:12:23.799 pulled him over on August twenty first at eleven thirty 199 00:12:23.840 --> 00:12:26.879 seven pm as part of a traffic stop in which 200 00:12:26.879 --> 00:12:30.679 he provided his number during the stop, which was recorded 201 00:12:30.720 --> 00:12:34.000 on the officer's body cam Coberger was driving his white 202 00:12:34.000 --> 00:12:39.240 Hondai Alantra. The papers also included details on how Coburger's 203 00:12:39.320 --> 00:12:42.279 DNA was found on a knife sheath close to the 204 00:12:42.279 --> 00:12:47.480 bodies of Matty Mogan and Kaylee Gonsalves. Authorities are still 205 00:12:47.559 --> 00:12:50.840 hunting for the murder weapon. And here are a few 206 00:12:50.879 --> 00:12:54.039 of the companies that were listed. And obviously we're going 207 00:12:54.120 --> 00:12:56.600 to dive in and go through all of the warrants 208 00:12:56.639 --> 00:12:58.840 as far as the court documents, and we're going to 209 00:12:58.879 --> 00:13:01.919 start that later on today. But here are a few 210 00:13:01.960 --> 00:13:08.360 of those companies that got served with warrants. Amazon, American Express, Apple, 211 00:13:08.799 --> 00:13:12.480 AT and T, Bank of America, Banner Bank and Spokane 212 00:13:12.639 --> 00:13:18.440 Washington Block Incorporated formerly Square Incorporated, Blue Ridge Knives in Marion, Virginia, 213 00:13:18.879 --> 00:13:24.559 Charter Communications, Cloud networking Company, Extreme Networks, Cordelaine Police Department, 214 00:13:24.600 --> 00:13:32.000 Forensic Lab, Discover Bank, DoorDash, eBay Elon Financial Services, Google, Idaho, 215 00:13:32.120 --> 00:13:38.200 Central Credit Union, Idaho Department of Labor Inland, Cellular, Kbar, Knives, 216 00:13:38.440 --> 00:13:44.000 Match Group, LLC, Metal Platforms, Facebook's parent company, Moscow Police Department, 217 00:13:44.039 --> 00:13:49.919 Forensic Lab, Nu America, Credit Union, PayPal, Venmo, Potlock, Number One, 218 00:13:50.000 --> 00:13:56.840 Financial Credit Union, Reddit, Snapchat, Umpaqua Bank, Umpaqua Bank, UPS, 219 00:13:57.200 --> 00:14:04.799 Verizon Wireless, Verizon Wireless, Washington State University, well Wells Fargo, Yahoo, 220 00:14:05.120 --> 00:14:09.080 and Yick Yak. And it's interesting now to learn some 221 00:14:09.120 --> 00:14:12.120 of those companies' names after we heard about all of 222 00:14:12.159 --> 00:14:16.080 those digital warrants in the very beginning. So as the 223 00:14:16.120 --> 00:14:20.279 information continues to come out, as the story continues to evolve. 224 00:14:20.639 --> 00:14:24.240 We'll continue to be right here covering it all right, 225 00:14:24.279 --> 00:14:26.639 everybody that's going to do it for this one. All 226 00:14:26.679 --> 00:14:29.159 of the information that goes with the episode can be 227 00:14:29.240 --> 00:14:33.320 found in the description box. What's up, everyone, and welcome 228 00:14:33.440 --> 00:14:37.240 back to the program. When we talk about Brian Coolberger 229 00:14:37.480 --> 00:14:40.759 and the case against Brian Colberger, one of the cases 230 00:14:40.799 --> 00:14:43.879 that I bring up is Alec Murda. And the reason 231 00:14:43.919 --> 00:14:46.799 I bring that case up is a the notoriety and 232 00:14:47.039 --> 00:14:51.679 b because of the similarities in how the investigation unfolded, 233 00:14:52.120 --> 00:14:55.879 especially when we're talking about the evidence. Now, remember, for 234 00:14:55.960 --> 00:14:58.600 Alec Murda, one of the biggest problems that he had 235 00:14:59.039 --> 00:15:01.879 was the phone eviden that was against them. All of 236 00:15:01.879 --> 00:15:06.480 that digital evidence that was collected that was circumstantial on 237 00:15:06.559 --> 00:15:09.399 its own, well, when all of that evidence was added 238 00:15:09.480 --> 00:15:12.639 up together, in its totality, it ended up being the 239 00:15:12.679 --> 00:15:15.879 anchor that sunk Alec Murda. And I've said from the 240 00:15:15.919 --> 00:15:19.679 beginning that I think the same exact fate awaits Brian Coberger. 241 00:15:20.120 --> 00:15:22.759 I think that the totality of the evidence against him 242 00:15:23.159 --> 00:15:26.440 is so strong that there's no way for his team 243 00:15:26.519 --> 00:15:29.240 to get him off the hook. The only chance that 244 00:15:29.320 --> 00:15:33.320 they have is some kind of prosecutorial misconduct where the 245 00:15:33.360 --> 00:15:36.840 prosecutors screw up and they make some kind of mistake, 246 00:15:37.200 --> 00:15:40.840 then maybe, just maybe Brian Colberger will get off. But 247 00:15:40.960 --> 00:15:44.279 the evidence that they've compiled so far, when you look 248 00:15:44.320 --> 00:15:47.960 at it in its totality, it's really difficult for me 249 00:15:48.080 --> 00:15:51.279 to see how Brian Colberger has a path to victory. 250 00:15:51.600 --> 00:15:54.840 And today in an article from the Sun, they're talking 251 00:15:54.840 --> 00:15:58.000 about the same thing. So let's dive into this article 252 00:15:58.200 --> 00:16:03.080 and let's get caught up. Headline Disturbing evidence crucial clue 253 00:16:03.240 --> 00:16:06.840 in both Brian Kolberger and killer Dad Alec Murdau cases 254 00:16:07.200 --> 00:16:12.200 may determine verdict in Idaho murder's trial. This article was 255 00:16:12.240 --> 00:16:16.559 authored by Caitlin Hornick. Cell Phone records that were a 256 00:16:16.679 --> 00:16:20.360 key clue in convicting disgrace lawyer Alec Murda could also 257 00:16:20.559 --> 00:16:25.559 determine the verdict and Brian Kolberger's trial. A lawyer has said, now, look, 258 00:16:25.720 --> 00:16:28.840 I'm certainly not a lawyer. In fact, I'm a barely 259 00:16:28.919 --> 00:16:33.039 functioning human being. But it's rather obvious that there's a 260 00:16:33.039 --> 00:16:35.480 big comparison here, and when you look at the president 261 00:16:35.519 --> 00:16:39.360 that's been set time and time again with digital evidence. 262 00:16:39.879 --> 00:16:42.080 I don't know how anyone can look at what's been 263 00:16:42.080 --> 00:16:45.240 compiled against Brian Colberger and say, ah, you know what, 264 00:16:45.799 --> 00:16:48.840 this is weak. All of this is gonna get tossed out, 265 00:16:49.080 --> 00:16:51.799 because from where I'm sitting, it doesn't look like any 266 00:16:51.840 --> 00:16:55.360 of that's gonna happen. And the comparison to Alec Murda 267 00:16:55.480 --> 00:16:58.639 and the avalanche of evidence that came falling on his face, 268 00:16:58.919 --> 00:17:01.960 I think the similarity are very obvious. And then you 269 00:17:02.000 --> 00:17:04.400 look at how the lawyers are going about the defense, 270 00:17:04.759 --> 00:17:08.279 and it's the same playbook. Attack the process, go after 271 00:17:08.319 --> 00:17:10.920 the process, because when you don't have the evidence on 272 00:17:10.960 --> 00:17:14.319 your side. Once again, this is the only way that 273 00:17:14.400 --> 00:17:17.480 you can attempt to defend yourself. And take a look 274 00:17:17.519 --> 00:17:20.720 at Richard Allen down there in Delphi. We can go 275 00:17:20.759 --> 00:17:23.880 on and on and on and on. Glean Maxwell, same thing. 276 00:17:24.599 --> 00:17:27.200 And when you're somebody who's innocent, well you're gonna go 277 00:17:27.279 --> 00:17:29.960 after the evidence and you're gonna provide your own evidence 278 00:17:30.000 --> 00:17:33.279 and alibi people that knew where you were, something that 279 00:17:33.359 --> 00:17:37.160 backs up what you're saying. Alec Murda didn't do that. 280 00:17:37.559 --> 00:17:41.359 Brian Coleberger so far has not done that. Glainne Maxwell, 281 00:17:41.680 --> 00:17:44.519 she didn't do it either. Alec Murda was found guilty 282 00:17:44.559 --> 00:17:47.200 of the murders of his wife, Maggie and youngest son 283 00:17:47.240 --> 00:17:51.680 Paul earlier in twenty twenty three. Coburger meanwhile, is awaiting 284 00:17:51.720 --> 00:17:55.799 trial after being accused of the murders of four University 285 00:17:55.839 --> 00:17:59.160 of Idaho students. And I remember during the Alec Murda trial, 286 00:17:59.319 --> 00:18:02.119 the same kind of contrarian people out there talking the 287 00:18:02.160 --> 00:18:05.440 same kind of yip yap about Murda. Oh yeah, he's 288 00:18:05.440 --> 00:18:08.640 gonna get off. It's all circumstantial. They can't really slam 289 00:18:08.640 --> 00:18:13.079 it together, all of those cell phone pings that means nothing. Well, 290 00:18:13.240 --> 00:18:15.960 how'd that all work out for you? And the same 291 00:18:16.000 --> 00:18:18.400 people who are doing the same thing once again here 292 00:18:18.440 --> 00:18:22.359 with Coburger. And it's ridiculous because it's obvious that the 293 00:18:22.359 --> 00:18:27.000 evidence that's been compiled is very very strong, especially when 294 00:18:27.039 --> 00:18:31.680 you take into account the totality of that evidence. Madison 295 00:18:31.720 --> 00:18:35.880 Mogan twenty one, Kaylee Gonsalvis twenty one, Zana Kernodle twenty 296 00:18:36.039 --> 00:18:39.400 and Ethan Chapin twenty were found slain at an off 297 00:18:39.440 --> 00:18:43.640 campus apartment in Moscow, Idaho, nearly one year ago. But 298 00:18:43.880 --> 00:18:47.039 an expert said that cell phone activity a key piece 299 00:18:47.039 --> 00:18:50.200 of evidence in the Murda case could also be used 300 00:18:50.240 --> 00:18:54.799 to determine a verdict in Coburger's case. Emily D. Baker, 301 00:18:55.000 --> 00:18:59.319 a lawyer and former Los Angeles Deputy District attorney, spoke 302 00:18:59.359 --> 00:19:02.359 to the US on about the Coburger case and what 303 00:19:02.400 --> 00:19:05.000 fake could await them. There is so much that we 304 00:19:05.039 --> 00:19:08.799 don't know about this case yet, Baker shared, Well, that's true. 305 00:19:08.880 --> 00:19:10.720 There's a lot of stuff that we just don't know, 306 00:19:11.559 --> 00:19:13.759 a lot of stuff filed under seal, a lot of 307 00:19:13.799 --> 00:19:16.759 stuff going on in the courtroom and inside of the 308 00:19:16.839 --> 00:19:20.359 judge's chambers that we're just not privy to. And if 309 00:19:20.400 --> 00:19:22.799 you don't have all the context, obviously you don't have 310 00:19:22.839 --> 00:19:26.279 all the story. But what we have seen so far 311 00:19:27.119 --> 00:19:31.240 is not looking good for mister Coburger. Baker said that 312 00:19:31.279 --> 00:19:33.799 it will be important to hear what witnesses said to 313 00:19:33.839 --> 00:19:36.440 the Grand Jerry and what other roommates who were in 314 00:19:36.480 --> 00:19:39.680 the home knew. I feel that that's going to be 315 00:19:39.799 --> 00:19:43.599 some of the most important evidence for the case, She said, Yeah, 316 00:19:43.599 --> 00:19:46.759 I don't know about that. Considering the DNA evidence that 317 00:19:46.960 --> 00:19:49.160 was found on the sheath, then you have all of 318 00:19:49.200 --> 00:19:52.039 the digital evidence and we don't even know yet if 319 00:19:52.079 --> 00:19:56.400 his WiFi has connected to somebody else's router in the area, 320 00:19:56.720 --> 00:19:59.400 you know, if he was there previously, maybe he forgot 321 00:19:59.440 --> 00:20:01.480 to turn his way I Fi off and it tried to 322 00:20:01.480 --> 00:20:04.960 connect to the modem or the router inside of the 323 00:20:05.000 --> 00:20:07.920 house out eleven twenty two King Road. See, we just 324 00:20:07.960 --> 00:20:11.279 don't know. And where you have the cell phone tower 325 00:20:11.359 --> 00:20:15.759 pings that are very challengeable when you have GPS coordinates, 326 00:20:16.119 --> 00:20:20.079 that's a different story. So if his WiFi did try 327 00:20:20.079 --> 00:20:22.759 to connect to one of the houses near King Road, 328 00:20:23.119 --> 00:20:25.839 it's gonna be all bad for Brian Colberger. But just 329 00:20:25.880 --> 00:20:28.119 to be clear, we don't have that evidence in front 330 00:20:28.160 --> 00:20:31.559 of us. Do the prosecutors have that, I don't know, 331 00:20:32.160 --> 00:20:35.559 But that's the kind of evidence that is a home run, 332 00:20:36.000 --> 00:20:40.119 CeAl your fake kind of deal. But she also acknowledged 333 00:20:40.119 --> 00:20:42.279 some of the evidence that has been made public through 334 00:20:42.319 --> 00:20:46.440 court documents, including Coburger's DNA being found at the crime 335 00:20:46.480 --> 00:20:48.960 scene and his cell phone being off during the time 336 00:20:49.000 --> 00:20:51.839 the murders took place. We've seen that kind of evidence 337 00:20:51.880 --> 00:20:55.480 come up and be very impactful to the jury. Baker 338 00:20:55.559 --> 00:20:58.119 said that's because the jury is looking at it in 339 00:20:58.160 --> 00:21:01.200 the totality, they don't look at the evidence as piecemeal. 340 00:21:01.559 --> 00:21:05.279 They look at the evidence as it's presented, but in 341 00:21:05.359 --> 00:21:08.680 the totality of that presentation, and when you look at 342 00:21:08.720 --> 00:21:11.680 the evidence that they have so far, when it comes 343 00:21:11.680 --> 00:21:15.200 to Coburger, I just don't know what his team's going 344 00:21:15.240 --> 00:21:18.880 to do here as far as challenging the evidence, like 345 00:21:18.960 --> 00:21:22.359 the Murdock case, where you know, mysteriously, if someone who 346 00:21:22.519 --> 00:21:25.880 uses their phone all the time it's all just off 347 00:21:25.960 --> 00:21:29.160 during this discreete period of time, the lack of activity 348 00:21:29.240 --> 00:21:33.640 can be very telling. Baker maintained that the existed public 349 00:21:33.680 --> 00:21:36.839 evidence is important, but there is still so much not 350 00:21:36.960 --> 00:21:39.880 yet known due to the non dissemination order and the 351 00:21:39.920 --> 00:21:44.119 sealed court filings. One thousand percent, there's so much going 352 00:21:44.160 --> 00:21:47.039 on behind the scenes that we just have a small 353 00:21:47.119 --> 00:21:51.079 clue about what's really cracking off. And that's exactly how 354 00:21:51.079 --> 00:21:54.039 the court intended it. They wanted to make sure that 355 00:21:54.359 --> 00:21:56.440 there was a lid on this bad boy this trial 356 00:21:56.640 --> 00:21:59.759 from the beginning because they understood the publicity and they 357 00:21:59.799 --> 00:22:02.799 want wanted to make sure that Brian Koberger couldn't claim 358 00:22:02.880 --> 00:22:06.839 that he didn't get a fair shake. Phone records in 359 00:22:06.920 --> 00:22:10.519 both the Murda and Coburger cases. Cell phones had played 360 00:22:10.599 --> 00:22:13.960 a large role for Murda. He denied being at the 361 00:22:14.000 --> 00:22:17.880 scene of the crime until cell phone footage proved otherwise. 362 00:22:18.319 --> 00:22:20.880 Imagine trying to get off on the bullshit Alec. Murda 363 00:22:20.920 --> 00:22:23.400 was trying to get off on Oh yeah, it wasn't me. 364 00:22:23.960 --> 00:22:26.440 There were five shooters. One of them was from the 365 00:22:26.480 --> 00:22:29.680 planet Neptar, the other was Bigfoot. The other guy was 366 00:22:29.720 --> 00:22:32.519 at Chupacabra. You see where I'm going with all of this. 367 00:22:33.079 --> 00:22:37.799 Very unbelievable, right, same goes for Coburger, the silly ass alibi, 368 00:22:38.000 --> 00:22:41.319 the rest of the nonsense. Fine, that might be great, 369 00:22:41.440 --> 00:22:45.279 that might be some good cannon fodder to the knuckleheads 370 00:22:45.279 --> 00:22:48.079 that are being contrariant, But to the rest of us 371 00:22:48.160 --> 00:22:51.319 who are serious people, we understand the stakes here and 372 00:22:51.400 --> 00:22:55.240 we understand that Brian Kohburger is up against it. The 373 00:22:55.359 --> 00:22:58.240 video was filmed by Paul twenty two, shortly before he 374 00:22:58.359 --> 00:23:02.880 was killed, and showed Murda at the family's dog kennels. Ultimately, 375 00:23:02.920 --> 00:23:07.160 the video was the convincing factor for some jurors. One 376 00:23:07.240 --> 00:23:10.519 jur Craig Moyer, told ABC News that the cell phone 377 00:23:10.599 --> 00:23:14.000 video helped convict the disgraced attorney, saying that he was 378 00:23:14.039 --> 00:23:17.200 certain it was Murda's voice in the clip, and he 379 00:23:17.240 --> 00:23:19.759 had a bunch of people testify that said it was 380 00:23:19.799 --> 00:23:22.279 his voice, people that knew him for years and years 381 00:23:22.279 --> 00:23:25.920 and years. So what's the jury supposed to think? And 382 00:23:26.000 --> 00:23:28.599 if you think anything different is coming in this Brian 383 00:23:28.680 --> 00:23:31.400 Coburger case, boy, oh boy, you're going to be in 384 00:23:31.440 --> 00:23:34.559 for a big old surprise. In the Coburger case, cell 385 00:23:34.599 --> 00:23:38.279 phone activity helped investigators place him near the scene of 386 00:23:38.319 --> 00:23:42.160 the crime. Coburger's phone was pinged near the crime scene 387 00:23:42.200 --> 00:23:44.720 twelve times in the months leading up to the November 388 00:23:44.839 --> 00:23:48.519 twenty twenty two murders. The phone was also pinged in 389 00:23:48.599 --> 00:23:51.720 the area once in the hours after the killings. Core 390 00:23:51.880 --> 00:23:56.720 documents show further review indicated that the eight four five 391 00:23:56.799 --> 00:24:01.680 eight phone utilized cellular resources on November thirteenth, twenty twenty two, 392 00:24:01.960 --> 00:24:04.240 that are consistent with the eight four or five eight 393 00:24:04.279 --> 00:24:08.519 phone leaving the area of the Coburger residence at approximately 394 00:24:08.680 --> 00:24:13.880 nine am and traveling to Moscow, Idaho. Court documents stated, now, 395 00:24:13.960 --> 00:24:16.279 imagine he shows up at this house and there's still 396 00:24:16.319 --> 00:24:18.960 no police there. He must have been freaking out. He 397 00:24:19.039 --> 00:24:22.240 goes back to see his work and there's no crime scene, 398 00:24:22.319 --> 00:24:25.759 there's no corner, there's no nothing. Can you imagine the 399 00:24:25.799 --> 00:24:30.079 panic that this numbnuts was feeling. Specifically, the eight four 400 00:24:30.119 --> 00:24:33.519 or five eight phone utilized cellular resources that would provide 401 00:24:33.559 --> 00:24:36.640