Speaker 1: Welcome to the Parenting Roundabout podcast. I'm Terry Morrow and
Speaker 1: I'm Catherine Jileco. As parents and parenting writers, we can't
Speaker 1: help but see everything through a parenting lens. But as
Speaker 1: our kids have become adults, we find ourselves more interested
Speaker 1: in getting caught up on movies and streaming than I'm
Speaker 1: going over the same parenting topics over and over.
Speaker 2: So, since we're pretty sure we can find parenting wisdom anywhere,
Speaker 2: we're going to talk about what we're watching, what we
Speaker 2: thought about it, and maybe what we can learn from it,
Speaker 2: if only what not to do. Watch and listen along,
Speaker 2: and let's all make like we're doing something important for
Speaker 2: our families.
Speaker 1: Each Tuesday, we bring you a watch or rewatch of
Speaker 1: an older entertainment property. And for this week of May
Speaker 1: twenty six, we're continuing with Laws Season two, episode twenty
Speaker 1: three and twenty four. Live Together, Die Alone?
Speaker 3: Nobody dies in this episode?
Speaker 2: Do they there?
Speaker 3: He does?
Speaker 2: I don't think so.
Speaker 3: They mostly just lived together, Yeah.
Speaker 2: But they have They have a funeral.
Speaker 3: In flashback there's a death.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, they're finishing up the funeral when Desmond comes along
Speaker 1: in his boat. The Elizabeth Yes, guess who's that it's
Speaker 1: named after? Would you have recognized that's who it was
Speaker 1: if you hadn't read it and lost pedia?
Speaker 2: No, I recognized her, and my husband completely didn't. I
Speaker 2: recognized her in the coffee shop when he met.
Speaker 1: Her, okay, because I was. I was going to my husband,
Speaker 1: look who it is, and he's like, who is it.
Speaker 3: I'm like, look, look it's a different wig. But look
Speaker 3: he's like, I still't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I did recognize her.
Speaker 1: Crashing Libby's funeral is Libby's boat? Yeah, vote named after her?
Speaker 2: Right, she's she's led a busy life up to this point.
Speaker 1: She has she's been married and to be pre hospital.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's been married and widowed and lived in a
Speaker 2: mental hospital. So a lot, a lot that went on
Speaker 2: for our Libby.
Speaker 1: Had a romance with Hurley that ended tragically or never
Speaker 1: really started up. Particularly we say again, make sure to
Speaker 1: bring the blanket to your picnics, don't whisk it.
Speaker 2: You know, thinking about that, like she didn't want him
Speaker 2: to recognize her from the hospital, right, yes, I mean
Speaker 2: she seemed uneasy when he kept saying like, I think I.
Speaker 3: Know you recognize you from somewhere, But so.
Speaker 2: Then why would she continue to pursue him or hang
Speaker 2: around him at all.
Speaker 1: You know, I think she would stay at the far
Speaker 1: end of the island, right, Is.
Speaker 2: It just the heart wants what it wants? Or keep
Speaker 2: your friends close but your enemy's closer.
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, maybe that which.
Speaker 2: Cliche are we working with here? I'm not sure.
Speaker 1: It didn't matter because she'd killed before anything came of it.
Speaker 1: So thanks Michael for saving us from having to figure
Speaker 1: that out.
Speaker 2: Right, we'll just work on figuring.
Speaker 3: He does.
Speaker 1: They do sadly figure out he was the one who
Speaker 1: killed them while they're out and about. And uh, now
Speaker 1: there's a lot going on in this episode. I don't
Speaker 1: know we well these apps. I guess it was one
Speaker 1: episode when it was shown on TV, and it's been
Speaker 1: two episodes on like the DVDs and the netflixes and
Speaker 1: everything like that. So this big glob of show, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of lot going on, a lot of plot threads,
Speaker 1: a lot of characters that we now need to care about.
Speaker 1: And uh, we uh meet a character that I don't
Speaker 1: think I'm spoiling much to say, is going to be
Speaker 1: a big bad Charles widmore.
Speaker 2: Bo the want to be father in law of Desmond.
Speaker 3: I mean not you don't want to be father.
Speaker 2: No, he doesn't want to.
Speaker 1: Be the over his dead body father in law of Desmond. Yes,
Speaker 1: the father of Penny win Moore, Desmond's beloved and uh,
Speaker 1: possibly other things as we go along. But a guy
Speaker 1: who picks you up in a car and mix threats
Speaker 1: to you and shows you that he's kept all of
Speaker 1: your letters that you sent to his daughter and.
Speaker 3: Not a good guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and now every time every time we see that
Speaker 1: actor on the birthday list, the bad guy for a lot.
Speaker 1: Ellen Dale I think is his name. But and and
Speaker 1: also Penny, I think this is the first time we
Speaker 1: have seen me yeah and heard her spoken of. So
Speaker 1: she also will figure in more as we go forward,
Speaker 1: because what the show needs, I think we've agreed is
Speaker 1: more characters.
Speaker 3: People come and somewhere in the Arctic, there's a couple
Speaker 3: of guys.
Speaker 2: Portuguese playing chess.
Speaker 1: Yea.
Speaker 2: They have a special hotline phone.
Speaker 1: ABC is sending them previews so they can if they
Speaker 1: spot anything. Now, yeah, so something's up there, right. But
Speaker 1: in the meantime, the question of it's important to push
Speaker 1: the button? Do you really need to push the button?
Speaker 1: We could not push the button, right, It's all just
Speaker 1: made up. That question is answered pretty resoundingly.
Speaker 3: Holy blinp.
Speaker 1: Everything comes apart, and Desmond knows this because he didn't
Speaker 1: push the button one time, So why didn't he say
Speaker 1: the lock?
Speaker 3: But he didn't, He didn't, They didn't press the button.
Speaker 2: And then the plane crashed. But he didn't realize that.
Speaker 1: He didn't realize the plane crashing part, but he realized
Speaker 1: metal things flying across the room part, right, and you know,
Speaker 1: being system failure and being scared to death as he's
Speaker 1: typing it in so that you can't type it in.
Speaker 1: I think he could mention that, yes, it's not true
Speaker 1: that just nothing happens. So I know now that Henry
Speaker 1: hit the button because none of that happened. So why
Speaker 1: he wasn't a little more forceful in saying yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't think so.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I was really losing the thread that whole
Speaker 2: everything about Desmond in the hatch, like before after flashback
Speaker 2: at present, like when he looked up and saw the
Speaker 2: light and it was lock up there, like, uh, I
Speaker 2: was quite confused, I gotta say.
Speaker 3: Locks.
Speaker 1: I read the recap on lost Pedia just to reinforce
Speaker 1: for myself what everything was about, and I guess he
Speaker 1: was going to kill himself, and then he heard the
Speaker 1: wrapping on the hatch right, and he turned on the
Speaker 1: light and that saved him from doing what he was
Speaker 1: gonna do.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: Oh, so that life has meaning, It's sure much life
Speaker 1: has meaning.
Speaker 2: I struggled.
Speaker 3: It's a long way to go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, if you have to go and read the
Speaker 1: recap from how many years ago to figure out what
Speaker 1: the heck that was all about? But uh, that was
Speaker 1: all very weird, but must have been fun doing that
Speaker 1: scene of everything like metal going crazy.
Speaker 2: Flying all over.
Speaker 1: And the little clock that the countdown clock kind of crumpling.
Speaker 3: In on itself.
Speaker 1: Yes, well, I guess they don't have to be worried
Speaker 1: about that anymore.
Speaker 2: I know. Well, it's just like regenerate itself, like now
Speaker 2: they know they got to keep hitting like button.
Speaker 1: Well, I guess Desmond did something that released the energy
Speaker 1: or something like that. So maybe it's it's no longer
Speaker 1: a thing.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, got the other thing that I was totally killing.
Speaker 1: I only know this because I went and read on
Speaker 1: Lost Pdia because I kind of lost the thread there too.
Speaker 2: They can also, but that doesn't mean.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, sometimes you have to let art flow
Speaker 1: over you. But apparently there's a key, and if you
Speaker 1: go to the actual magnet or whatever it is and
Speaker 1: turn this fail safe key, then you get that trippy
Speaker 1: white and violet light everywhere in that terrible noise. And
Speaker 1: whether then you never have to worry about it again,
Speaker 1: or whether it resets it, I don't know. We will
Speaker 1: find out, I guess, or maybe not. Who cares, But
Speaker 1: I guess he did something that and that's what presumably
Speaker 1: what pennies people saw, right, Okay, So yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I guess sometimes you just have to go with it, right.
Speaker 2: It's like, let's find it. We need to move on
Speaker 2: from this hatch, like we need to just this we're
Speaker 2: trying to talk about.
Speaker 1: So yeah, there's lots, there's lots going on for a
Speaker 1: little island. Oh sure, we get the whole meeting the
Speaker 1: others thing, the whole misbegotten truck through the jungle and
Speaker 1: then sun and Gin and say on a boat which
Speaker 1: goes by an enormous statue of a foot with four
Speaker 1: toes because we needed a little more weirdness.
Speaker 2: So big, so big, I mean, yes, if there were
Speaker 2: an entire person there, Yeah, and then I.
Speaker 1: Need the production design people having a little fun.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but we don't.
Speaker 1: They're just they're they're part of it is not been
Speaker 1: addressed in this episode. In these two episodes, they're just
Speaker 1: still out there on the ocean.
Speaker 2: I know. That was another thing that had me confused, like.
Speaker 1: A loose end, because I know some things that happened
Speaker 1: with that, and I thought they were going to happen
Speaker 1: in this episode too, but they didn't, So I guess
Speaker 1: that's saved for next season. But boy, Michael and Walt
Speaker 1: get to go away. Yeah, so long good luck. That
Speaker 1: looks like a super seaworthy vessel and one that you'd
Speaker 1: want to spend a long time in. What's to say,
Speaker 1: there's not a bomb in there that you get like,
Speaker 1: you know, a mile away from the island and it
Speaker 1: blows up. I Michael is a trusting fellow, although not
Speaker 1: that he has a whole lot of choice. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: I thought it was funny. On lost Pedia, they mentioned
Speaker 1: that they filmed that scene like at the beginning of
Speaker 1: the season because that kid was growing so much, right,
Speaker 1: so they.
Speaker 2: Had to And that's kind of when.
Speaker 1: You still sort of looked like the kid we saw
Speaker 1: the others did something to him that made him grow.
Speaker 2: Well and They just kind of kept him in the
Speaker 2: background and in the shadows, and you know, you didn't,
Speaker 2: you didn't really see that much of him.
Speaker 1: Well, I think he already by that time had grown
Speaker 1: a lot since we last saw him, which I think
Speaker 1: is the reason that people figured they got rid of
Speaker 1: Walt because he just you can't you can't do a
Speaker 1: show that happens over a short period a long period
Speaker 1: in our viewing time, but an acting time, but a
Speaker 1: short period in the time of the show. You can't
Speaker 1: have a kid on that show. No, it's not gonna
Speaker 1: work unless you say that the show has magical properties
Speaker 1: that makes kids grow. That they totally could have done.
Speaker 1: If it can heal cancer and make legs locks, legs
Speaker 1: work again multiple times, they could just say, oh, and
Speaker 1: it speeds up growth.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, then they have to speed it up for
Speaker 2: the baby as well.
Speaker 3: I guess, so what they could do that to?
Speaker 1: How long do we really want to be watching this
Speaker 1: little tiny baby being in this horrible place. I'm like, Clara,
Speaker 1: wake up some day and he's twelve, right, Ah, then
Speaker 1: she'll miss some of them, then, I guess. I guess
Speaker 1: all the adults. All the adults would have to age
Speaker 1: as well.
Speaker 3: So never mind.
Speaker 1: But things do not look good for Jack and Kate
Speaker 1: and Sawyer, do they?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: And so or I have to say, for Hurley, who
Speaker 1: is the last guy you want to say, find your
Speaker 1: way home, buddy? Does he know how to get home?
Speaker 1: And they always give him a map or an escort?
Speaker 3: I don't think so is like thanks, I'll stay here, right.
Speaker 1: Why did they bring him all the way there or
Speaker 1: just to tell him just go back with a message
Speaker 1: just for anybody? Yeah, if they him specifically, maybe they do.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Yeah. Yeah, So at the very end there,
Speaker 2: when they are putting, you know, Walt and Michael are
Speaker 2: off into the wild blue yonder like good luck, guys,
Speaker 2: they put these bags over Sawyer's and Kate's and Jack's heads,
Speaker 2: and that's like the last you see of them. But
Speaker 2: I feel like Jack and Kate exchanged looks. Yes, I
Speaker 2: felt like I meant to think that they're communicating something
Speaker 2: to each other, but then Sawyer just was like what
Speaker 2: the heck? Like he just wasn't.
Speaker 1: He wasn't part of it, so I couldn't.
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's supposed to be important or not.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I thought it was just sort of a reassuring look.
Speaker 1: But I don't know if things look yeah you doo.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Everything about this was highly confusing.
Speaker 3: Yes it was. It was. It was two episodes worth
Speaker 3: of a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But from a parenting point of view, it got
Speaker 1: me thinking about what would you do for your kid?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Would you betray your friends in this way?
Speaker 3: And you know, if it was just.
Speaker 1: You get to go home, if you do this thing,
Speaker 1: then it's kind of lousy. But it's like you will
Speaker 1: never see your son again. You kind of can't blame
Speaker 1: him for doing it, right. I mean, he could have
Speaker 1: told them about it, but then he's taken a big risk.
Speaker 1: He's taken a big risk as it is that these
Speaker 1: people are going to do what they say. But yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean I'm trying to think, and I
Speaker 1: mean this wasn't the same sort of thing, but in
Speaker 1: terms of, you know, betraying your friends for your kid,
Speaker 1: I remember or my mom losing her best friend because
Speaker 1: she sided with me on something and this her friend
Speaker 1: thought that I had been mean to her daughter, and
Speaker 1: my mom defended me and that was it. She lost
Speaker 1: her best friend of many years. And it's like, probably
Speaker 1: that best friend felt betrayed.
Speaker 3: Because she's stuck with her daughter.
Speaker 1: But we've all sort of probably had times like that
Speaker 1: where you just you have to you have to choose
Speaker 1: your kid over another adult.
Speaker 2: Yea.
Speaker 1: It usually doesn't mean leaving them blindfolded with a sack
Speaker 1: over their head as you sail away gag. But it
Speaker 1: probably doesn't usually mean killing a couple of people along
Speaker 1: the way. But it does sometimes feel like that, maybe,
Speaker 1: well I stabbed that person in the bag pretty good.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Have you ever had situations where you feel like you
Speaker 1: had to make that choice?
Speaker 2: I definitely have never killed anyone for my kids, No, figuratively. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know. It's it's hard. I don't think I've ever,
Speaker 2: you know, had something as extreme as as that. You know,
Speaker 2: I feel like we're going back to the good place
Speaker 2: and the the ethical you know, it's like the trolley problem.
Speaker 2: Your your child is in one trolley and all these
Speaker 2: other people are are in the other trial. Yeah you do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean as a parent, I think you
Speaker 1: have to protect your child. But I'm thinking of when
Speaker 1: my son was in middle school, I, you know, had
Speaker 1: been a very forceful advocate, and so people had gotten
Speaker 1: to the point where they pretty much did what I
Speaker 1: asked them to do. And I liked this teacher and
Speaker 1: I wanted my son to have her the next year,
Speaker 1: and also for his you know, it would be nice
Speaker 1: if his friends were in his class. Turned out later,
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe didn't know this at the time, that
Speaker 1: his friends hated this teacher and it specifically told their parents,
Speaker 1: I don't want this teacher again. But then, because I
Speaker 1: was orchestrating this thing with my you know, great great
Speaker 1: persuasive pilla, I don't know, because I wanted good for
Speaker 1: my kid, I gave them all a miserable school year.
Speaker 1: And I think they still remember. I think their mother
Speaker 1: is still looking at me like, yeah, yeah, that was
Speaker 1: your fault, and they will occasionally. My son's friend, one
Speaker 1: friend will occasionally just say, you remember that teacher.
Speaker 3: She was so awful.
Speaker 1: I hated her, And I'm like, yeah, I'm the reason
Speaker 1: you had You're like, I'm sorry, I was thinking to
Speaker 1: my kid, leaving you on the dock with a bag
Speaker 1: over your head, friend, But you do what you gotta do.
Speaker 3: You know, I'm not sure even he liked.
Speaker 1: Her, but I think she liked him. Yeah, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I felt so proud of myself for orchestrating something that
Speaker 1: made a lot of people unhappy. But yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: when you're a parent, these are the things years, the
Speaker 1: decisions we make, like Claire apparently injecting the baby with
Speaker 1: with this medieval looking syringe on top of it. Dustment's like,
Speaker 1: I don't need to do that. Yeah, that's that's not
Speaker 1: doesn't mean anything.
Speaker 2: As he takes another swag from its bottle, like you're
Speaker 2: you're not exactly inspiring confidence right now, sir.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes he is not.
Speaker 1: And uh I was thinking in terms of parenting, the
Speaker 1: whole issue of if I'm not going to do this thing,
Speaker 1: then you can't do it. You know, why does Locke
Speaker 1: care if Echo wants to hit the button? Why does
Speaker 1: it have to be I am not going to do
Speaker 1: it anymore and therefore nobody is going to do it,
Speaker 1: or you know, I am going to do it and
Speaker 1: therefore it is important. Why does it matter if other
Speaker 1: people want to do it?
Speaker 3: Makes me think of sitting in waiting.
Speaker 1: Rooms for special education services, and it's like, if somebody
Speaker 1: has a therapy they found it is the best thing,
Speaker 1: and if you are not doing it, then what is
Speaker 1: the matter with you?
Speaker 3: Go do it right now.
Speaker 1: If you are not doing it is a personal insult
Speaker 1: to me that you are not doing it because I'm
Speaker 1: telling you it is the thing to do. And sometimes
Speaker 1: it could get pretty testy and it's like, what difference
Speaker 1: I'm my not doing it does not invalidate your doing it?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: What do you care?
Speaker 1: Take care of your kid. I'm gonna take care of
Speaker 1: my kid. Why do you need me to validate your
Speaker 1: decision by doing the same thing that you're doing. But
Speaker 1: people do want that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so.
Speaker 3: I guess, yeah, I guess.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: Locke needed to feel validated by everybody else agree with him,
Speaker 1: but that didn't work out so well.
Speaker 2: He definitely took it to an extreme.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, he did two to the point of
Speaker 1: the entire hatch imploding. But yes, It's like, at some
Speaker 1: point he states the obvious, which is that he was wrong,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, oh, buddy, like the latest in
Speaker 1: a long, long, long series of wrongness in your life.
Speaker 1: Perhaps you should just whatever you think is the right
Speaker 1: thing to do, you should do the opposite thing.
Speaker 3: Do not follow your instincts.
Speaker 1: You are not a guy whose instincts should be followed.
Speaker 2: Untunately, sorry to tell you that sir, yep.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And also from a parenting point of view, when
Speaker 1: Desmond says that they're stuck in a snow globe, which
Speaker 1: is an interesting way to think of the island because
Speaker 1: they can't get very far away from it apparently. But
Speaker 1: sometimes when you're a parent, you feel like you're stuck
Speaker 1: in a snow globe, that you're stuck in your house,
Speaker 1: or you're just you know, you're a little round of
Speaker 1: school and lessons that your kid is taking and sports
Speaker 1: that your kid is taking, and that's your sort of
Speaker 1: your life revolves around this very small, in compact area
Speaker 1: of the world, and you don't dare if something happens
Speaker 1: and you have to go out of it, it's like,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't think I can do that. These
Speaker 1: are my parameters. You want me to come away for
Speaker 1: the weekend. No, No, I'm sorry. I would bump up
Speaker 1: against a plastic wall at some point I'm under.
Speaker 3: The dome, yeah, and then I'm just gonna stay.
Speaker 2: You get the two Portuguese guys, I mean they are
Speaker 2: basically in a snow globe, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was so weird way to end that chat
Speaker 1: that episode.
Speaker 3: These episodes, it's like.
Speaker 1: Well, somebody out there knows what's going on here.
Speaker 2: Lizz Hanger.
Speaker 3: Yep, yep, yep, yep.
Speaker 1: So we had one quick Bernard siding during the weird
Speaker 1: lighting thing, trying like he showed up on you f
Speaker 1: went to Hawaii for that. Really, I think you saw
Speaker 1: his back and uh, Clara and Charlie kissed.
Speaker 2: Ah. But I did not like how Charlie was so
Speaker 2: mean to Locke when you saw him crying outside.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Uh, like he just because he feels that Locke
Speaker 1: abandoned him.
Speaker 2: I know, but like he just was cruel, you know.
Speaker 2: I just didn't.
Speaker 1: I just it bothered me to Yeah, hear him. I mean,
Speaker 1: wasn't lock pretty sharp towards him though, Ye? Wasn't he
Speaker 1: one of the people who just really rejected Charlie. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's pile on Lockday. Yeah, he just he kind.
Speaker 3: Of deserves it.
Speaker 1: Kind of caused a disaster, and we don't know if
Speaker 1: mister Echo is alive or not he blew or if
Speaker 1: he blew himself up.
Speaker 2: Well, didn't Charlie try kind of No, I guess Charlie
Speaker 2: got out and then.
Speaker 1: I don't remember there being anything about him.
Speaker 3: But I believe that he lives too.
Speaker 1: Okay, DIY another day.
Speaker 2: Yes, to build another church or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so what else? Weren't expecting poisoned darts? They
Speaker 1: were They were all armed with their guns.
Speaker 2: Been a little yep, that's it.
Speaker 3: They're tricky.
Speaker 2: Game over. Yeah. Oh and we got to see what
Speaker 2: happens to the pneumatic tubes.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that was hilarious.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 3: It took me a minute to realize.
Speaker 1: My husband pointed out to me what those were, and
Speaker 1: it's like, oh my gosh.
Speaker 3: So about Desmond.
Speaker 2: Was throwing stuff out into the void.
Speaker 1: That, yeah, and they found you were worried about Locke's map.
Speaker 3: They found it.
Speaker 2: They found it. I don't know what it is.
Speaker 3: Or anything in the time since, but it was.
Speaker 1: It was it Desmond who said that maybe the psychic
Speaker 1: experiment was in that hatch, which apparently it was, because
Speaker 1: they were writing things and and putting them in the
Speaker 1: tubes which dumped them.
Speaker 2: And build the jungle. Right.
Speaker 1: Oh, galy, that's hilarious. It's I have I have had
Speaker 1: jobs where it feels like that's what happened.
Speaker 3: Yes, here's my thing I've worked on so hard.
Speaker 2: Well that cares that could apply to work, children's homework,
Speaker 2: could apply to just.
Speaker 3: Slide to podcasts. We're gonna dundle this in the tube, but.
Speaker 2: It's just good.
Speaker 3: It just goes out there.
Speaker 1: It's in a pile of pile of our episodes in
Speaker 1: a jungle someplace, completely ignored.
Speaker 2: Just some of the tasks of parenting, right, I mean, yes,
Speaker 2: they just they just seem entirely meaning yes, maybe maybe
Speaker 2: they turn out to be something after all. That's right.
Speaker 1: It does seem like a lot of your time, you're
Speaker 1: just putting stuff in a tube that's going nowhere, But
Speaker 1: you gotta do it. It might be important, you never know.
Speaker 1: And it did. The printer in the other hatch printing
Speaker 1: on and on and on and on improbably did show
Speaker 1: Desmond that he crashed the plane. He was able to
Speaker 1: go through these how many pages of numbers and find
Speaker 1: the exact date of the plane crashing. I guess he
Speaker 1: just had to look for system failure, system failure, system failures,
Speaker 1: system system failures.
Speaker 3: So once he.
Speaker 1: Saw that he could look at the date before it oops.
Speaker 1: And the guy who was his previous partner, Kelvin, was
Speaker 1: also the guy who I think taught Sayid to torture, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: He I knew we had seen him before, and then
Speaker 2: when he said something about how he was in the military,
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, yeah, we saw him in Iraq
Speaker 2: somehow with Sayid. I don't yes, but I didn't.
Speaker 1: Quit because people people followed my rules or something like that.
Speaker 1: So yes, I believe. I remember reading at the time
Speaker 1: of that episode that it was that same guy, Clancy
Speaker 1: Brown is the actor. So but they shall never meet
Speaker 1: again because he died before anybody got there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because Desmond killed him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of that going around.
Speaker 1: Yeah, see is he in the is he in the
Speaker 1: Island Cemetery although the Island Cemetery didn't exist then, but
Speaker 1: perhaps it has an auxiliary.
Speaker 2: Well he yeah, was that at the time. He then
Speaker 2: did go back to the hatch. I don't remember.
Speaker 1: I yeah, it's all kind of a blur, but no,
Speaker 1: he I think he did. He did go back because
Speaker 1: at some point he was going to kill himself and
Speaker 1: that's when he heard lock tapping and he turned on
Speaker 1: the light. So that that had to be after the
Speaker 1: plane crashed, and the plane crashed on the day that
Speaker 1: Calvin died. So yeah, yeah, he was there until Jack
Speaker 1: found him there, right, and then he took off onto
Speaker 1: his bat. You couldn't get out of the snow glow.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: Oh, so much story, so much flashbacks, flash forwards.
Speaker 2: I'm concerned for when we start getting into the flash
Speaker 2: forwards and flash sideways, I'm gonna really, this.
Speaker 3: Is why we have lost media.
Speaker 1: Explain it to us, please, But you can see, I mean,
Speaker 1: there is so much. They throw so much stuff out there,
Speaker 1: which is why, and it's more than they can ever
Speaker 1: go back and explain. Yeah, and so that's why people
Speaker 1: were really running with it and seeing connections and say
Speaker 1: things and this person's name is this and that means that,
Speaker 1: and you know, storylines for all those others who were
Speaker 1: standing there on the deck or the pier or whatever
Speaker 1: it was. So we shall be in Otherville next season.
Speaker 3: Oh wow.
Speaker 1: At least they did get back to Kate knowing that
Speaker 1: all the costumes were a fake, by her calling it out,
Speaker 1: and then her also telling the guy, I know your
Speaker 1: beard is fake, and then why we have captured me
Speaker 1: and I'm here humiliated, But dude, lose the beard.
Speaker 3: It looks ridiculous beard, It's dumb.
Speaker 2: But then then immediately not Henry's like, where's your beard? Like, yeah,
Speaker 2: why does anyone care?
Speaker 1: Anyway, it's not like he's trying to hide his identity,
Speaker 1: is it right? It's nobody here would recognize him otherwise, right,
Speaker 1: Oh well, Watts set up for the next season, that
Speaker 1: is for sure, Yes, including the three people on a boat.
Speaker 1: Three people on a boat, two people in the Arctic,
Speaker 1: all sorts.
Speaker 2: Of and don't forget two more people on a boat.
Speaker 2: Walt and Michael.
Speaker 1: Oh, that's right, off they go. Yes, can they get
Speaker 1: out of the snow globe?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the question I have my toats.
Speaker 1: And also where is Vincent?
Speaker 3: Vincent?
Speaker 2: That's true?
Speaker 1: How could he not have brought that I wanted? I
Speaker 1: wanted wal to a last say.
Speaker 3: Did you bring Vincent?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Where's my dog?
Speaker 1: Vincent has forgotten? And honestly, Vincent has kind of become
Speaker 1: jungle dog. Yeah, he maybe would not want to go.
Speaker 1: It's like in that boat. I don't think so. Right,
Speaker 1: he's become an enchanted jungle dog and probably have special
Speaker 1: powers by now. So, uh, you know, he's just gonna
Speaker 1: pop up every now and then to uh remind people
Speaker 1: he exists. Yeah, yeah, I agree. Speak up for the dog,
Speaker 1: our our dog podcasters will now come forward and speak
Speaker 1: about Vincent our dog correspondent is here, But I mean
Speaker 1: the family isn't altogether all right. You're ditch it out
Speaker 1: on your friends, but you're also ditch it out and
Speaker 1: your dang dog.
Speaker 3: Yep, but no room for the dog in that boat.
Speaker 3: They'll come back for him, That's what Michael's gonna say.
Speaker 3: We'll come back for.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll come back for him and everybody.
Speaker 1: Oh, well, you'll pop up every now and then, yes,
Speaker 1: just just so we can all say it's it's fdsent.
Speaker 1: What a cutie, beautifully clean every time we see him.
Speaker 1: My dog can go to the dog park and get
Speaker 1: covered with dirt in half an hour. Vincent has been
Speaker 1: on this island for months and just looks like he.
Speaker 3: Came from the groomer. Yeah, yeah, Okay, it's a weird.
Speaker 1: The island can regenerate your clean coat, just as it
Speaker 1: can regenerate lock's legs. Don't ask questions. What were you
Speaker 1: gonna say about your dog?
Speaker 2: Oh, just that she can go outside in the yard
Speaker 2: and come back in with green feet from grass.
Speaker 1: Yes, so the lock people do not know how dogs work.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Vincent's entire body should be.
Speaker 1: Yes and covered with birds and dirt and possibly the
Speaker 1: blood of small animals. It is eaten because it doesn't
Speaker 1: look like anybody's feeding him. But it's magic.
Speaker 3: It's magic. That's all we need to know.
Speaker 1: So, oh, next week we launch into season three of Lost. Yeah,
Speaker 1: called a Tale of two Cities. There are no cities
Speaker 1: on the island. Maybe it's the Maybe it's the others
Speaker 1: and the and the castaways. Maybe those are the two
Speaker 1: cities or was the Is that the one that starts
Speaker 1: with it was the best of times, It was the
Speaker 1: worst of times.
Speaker 2: I think. So there is nothing that was the best
Speaker 2: of times in this place.
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: They might have a party.
Speaker 1: They got darm and nutra bars apparently, so they can
Speaker 1: have themselves a good time checking out what happened to
Speaker 1: that hatch was putting all the metal objects away, putting
Speaker 1: the darts back in the dart board.
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe don't have darts down there.
Speaker 3: It's a giant maget. Magnet.
Speaker 1: Let's get some super sharp metal objects and just have
Speaker 1: them loosely attached to a corkboard. Oh well, anyway, so
Speaker 1: next week, a Tale.
Speaker 3: Of two Cities.
Speaker 1: Tomorrow the last episode of season one of Running Point
Speaker 1: Slightly Less Disastrous. Thank you for listening. You can find
Speaker 1: all our episodes on Spreaker, Apple Podcasts, Amazon Music, or
Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts. You can find recaps, links
Speaker 1: and an opportunity to comment on our website at parentingroundabout
Speaker 1: dot com.
Speaker 2: You can also talk to us on our Facebook page,
Speaker 2: on Instagram or on Twitter, where you'll find us at
Speaker 2: roundabout Chat. And please visit our Amazon shop at Amazon
Speaker 2: dot com, slash Shop slash mamitude. But you can find
Speaker 2: links to a lot of the things we've talked about
Speaker 2: over the years.