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Speaker 3: Welcome everybody. We have entered our number three numerow trace

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of Matt Connorton Unleashed and we are live from the

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studios of w m n H ninety five point three

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f Inglorious Manchester, New Hampshire. Of course, you can stream

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the show anywhere. Go to Matt connorton dot com slash

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contact info, show archives, etc. Etc. Today is Saturday, January seventeen,

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two thousand and twenty six. Hey, by the way, I

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did put this up on YouTube on the IBM Nation

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YouTube channel, but myself and Eric Pilcher. Of course, Eric

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and I host a podcast on the weekends. We'll be

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doing another one Sunday night, of course, Tough Bumps, and

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Eric has contributed many times to this program with his

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classic film reviews, which we'll be coming back at some

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point in the future. But Eric and I were actually

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mentioned on a very popular podcast called Nobody Likes Onions

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hosted by Patrick Melton. And I've been a fan of

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Patrick Melton and his podcast for a long time, so

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it was kind of cool to see that on YouTube

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he had mentioned US, and but I did clip the

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the specific part where he talks about Eric Pilter and

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I and I did put it up on the IPM

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Nation YouTube channel. So I think the title of the

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video is Matt Connerton and Eric Pilcher mentioned by Patrick

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Milton on Nobody Likes Onions. So if you find the clip,

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you know, I'm not going to get into why he

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was talking about us. I will leave that to you

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be evident and apparent. When you watch the full clip,

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you'll get the context of it. But anyway, that was

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kind of fun. I thought i'd mentioned that. But Tough

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when you're doing a streaming show. I mean, obviously a

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radio show has to be at a set time every

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week or every day, whatever it is, right, you know,

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when you do a live radio show with podcasts and streaming,

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you can kind of do it however you want. You

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age use the it's on when it's on schedule where basically,

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you know, you subscribe to the podcast and then you

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know if they're going If they're going live, you get

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just get it later. I mean, I know with Tough Bumps,

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a lot of our listeners just get the show later

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because we don't really announce because we're never really sure

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exactly what time we're going to be on. But anyway,

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but we will be on at some point tomorrow night.

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Tough Bumps streams on YouTube and Facebook and Twitch and

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even LinkedIn believe it or not. But yeah, we're in

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various places, and then of course it goes out on

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all the podcast platforms. So please subscribe, like and subscribe

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if you check out the show on YouTube. Anyway, I

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this early in the show today. But for those of

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you listening live on Saturday, January seventeenth, tonight, there is

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a show at Jewel Jewel Music Venue at sixty one

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Canal Street right across the street actually from where we

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are here at WM ANDH. Tonight it is Pulsifier. They've

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been on the show with us and they are playing

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a show tonight. Let's see. They are going to be

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there with Ashes of the Priest, which is a Lamb

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of God a tribute band, and a Sun and Steel

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which is an Iron Maiden tribute band. Also bug bag

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so we will be there. Pulsifier great band. I'm actually

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that we featured the last time they were on the

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and say hello. Show starts at eight pm at Jewel

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Canal Street right here in Manchester. That will be happening

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this evening. I'm sure the roads will be fine. It's

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been snowing here, but it's been a light snow. For

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that's for sure. We had a lot less snow than

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I want to play a track from Pulsifier, my personal favorite.

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is this is a song called Venomous Thing. Sounds really

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good live. I'm sure they'll play it live tonight at Jewel.

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to cover. So some interesting things that have happened recently

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in the music industry. But here it is, this is

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this venomous thing and the band is Pulsifier.

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Speaker 1: Clungs with a head.

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Speaker 4: He much cool, shadows, cool did yesterday.

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Speaker 1: Dancing with move and you can't be saved from.

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Speaker 6: You say, can you'll find been all little spir Chevy star.

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Speaker 1: Girl spir come back to pray? So why let you fa.

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Speaker 8: And don't be placed in it?

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Speaker 5: You don't want to go uted by face and.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to know.

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Speaker 5: Don't come about okay?

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Speaker 1: Try not to try?

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Speaker 5: Could stop hold me under choice?

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Speaker 1: Mostpirable?

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Speaker 5: Dan sat offers.

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Speaker 1: Show it was gone from okay again, Jo.

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Speaker 7: Come back?

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Speaker 5: Don't want you again? Not says j J.

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Speaker 7: Had stop cook ber what b J down to?

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Speaker 8: What fraid to that down? What fraid that down? W

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brad to that down?

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Speaker 3: That is venomous thing. The band is Pulsifier and they

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are playing tonight, January seventeen at Jewel Music Venue, right

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across the street from where we are here at the

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radio station. Jewel is at sixty one Canal Street, and

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they are going to be performing tonight and come see

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Jenny and I were going to be there for that,

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and I wanted to, you know, I did mention some

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music news and it's funny. I had forgotten about this

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something that happened recently, a couple weeks ago, and then

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we have a couple things that are a little more recent.

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of fun. This happened closer to the beginning of the month.

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bands playing tonight with Pulsifier, a Jewel happens be a

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Lamb of God tribute band, and Lamb of God was

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in the news recently for kind of a silly reason.

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Stub Hub apologizes after mistakenly listing Lamb of God as

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Christian concert The metal bands frontman joked about the mistake

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on his social media So if you miss this, here's

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what happened. So heavy metal fans in South Carolina were

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disappointed to discover that the Lamb of God concert they

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expected was actually a performance about the birth of Jesus Christ,

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you know, because it was Christmas time. Ticket reseller stub

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hub apologized on Monday, December twenty second after accidentally listing

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the Virginia based rock band instead of Christian musician Andrew

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Peterson's Behold the Lamb of God, a concert featuring music

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about the stories of Christ, held at the Spartanburg Memorial

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Auditorium on December twentieth. So, just to be clear, Just

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to be clear, So it was not that this production

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was also called Lamb of God. The name of the production.

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The full name of the production was Andrew Peterson's Behold

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the Lamb of God, not simply Lamb of God. But

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stub Hub put it on their website as simply Lamb

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of God, so they were clearly derelict in this. It

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says here again. This is from Billboard dot Com. In

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the days leading up to Peterson's show, the stub Hub

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listing featured a photo of Lamb of God frontman Randy

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Blythe and listed the concert as a top trending event

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at the Spartanburg Memorial Auditorium, according to CBS affiliate WSPA

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of Lamb of God. So, you know, anyone who bought

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tickets to this, you know, it's not it's certainly not

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on them. It's not you know, sometimes consumers don't pay

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attention to what they're buying, certainly, but that's not the

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ticket money by selling them a show that was not

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what they not as advertised. I don't think that was

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what was going on here, because I mean, even if

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that was something nefarious that someone was doing, it would

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their faces pretty quick. So just very very sloppy, it

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says here. After realizing the error, StubHub apologized for the

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confusion and offered refunds for anyone who purchased to to

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the show. A stub Hub spokesperson said, quote, we acknowledge

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the listing for the December twentieth event at Spartanburg Memorial

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Auditorium was misleading and apologized for the confusion this caused.

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reached out to customers to clarify the event details. Anyone

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who purchased tickets under the impression this was a different

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performance is encouraged to contact us. We'll honor a refund

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under our fan protect guarantee. Unquote. I was their their statement.

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It is interesting to me, there's no maybe I'm nitpicking,

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but I always wonder about this kind of thing. It's

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it's always interesting how things are worded. I'm always curious

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about this because you know, I'm sure that whatever statement

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stub Hub has to put out publicly in a situation

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like this, it probably has to go through the legal team,

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the legal team or whoever represents StubHub legally probably has

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to approve it, sign off on it. There's no apology

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in here, and again maybe I'm nitpicking, but there is

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no apology. You know, there's not even a simple we

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regret the error or we apologize for any confusion. There's nothing.

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an apology. You know, someone can acknowledge they've done something wrong,

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you know, Oh, I realized that wasn't the right thing

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to do. And then the words that you might expect

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to follow that are I'm sorry. I realized that wasn't

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the right thing to do. I'm sorry. That's how normal

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there's no I'm sorry, there's no apology. It's just we acknowledge.

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it was incorrect, because it was it was advertising a

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completely different show. It says was misleading. Oh, you know what,

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I'm sorry. It does say apologize and apologize for the

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confusion this caused. Okay, but notice they don't say we

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apologize for our mistake. They say we apologize for the

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confusion this caused and Again, maybe I'm nitpicking, but you know,

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I'm sure a lawyer had to approve that and and

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probably said, don't don't say we're sorry for our mistake,

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just say we're we're sorry for any confusion. Kind of

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like you know what that reminds me of. It's like

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when somebody says, like like say, somebody does something bad

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to you, say, somebody says something rude to you, right,

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and then they apologize. But instead of saying I'm sorry

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about what I said or I apologize I was rude

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to you, they say I'm sorry if you were bothered

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by what I said, or I'm sorry if I offended you.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: It's sort of a way of it's sort of like

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a sorry, not sorry. It's a way of saying i'm

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sorry if because because it's it's you know, it's a

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way of putting the blame on you, right. And I

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don't know if when people do that, if they even

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necessarily realize consciously in the moment that they're doing that.

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that when they say i'm sorry if or I'm sorry

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you were offended by my words, what they're really doing Again,

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they might not even mean to do it. It might

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be a subconscious thing, but what they're really doing is

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they're putting the blame on you. It's your fault that

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you were offended, right, I'm sorry you took that the

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wrong way.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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we're sorry if if, if there was any confusion, No,

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you you should be sorry that you listed the wrong show,

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you listed completely the wrong show. You should say we're

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sorry we made a mistake. No harm in that. But again,

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a lawyer might look at that and say, don't acknowledge.

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never no matter how much it might be your fault.

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not literally. I don't think insurance companies actually say that.

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They probably can't say it legally directly. But but what

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does everyone always say, never admit fault, Never admit fault,

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Let the insurance company handle it. You never say I'm sorry,

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you know, I'm sorry I ran that red light and

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t boned you. And wrecked your car and your passenger

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is on their way to the emergency room. You know

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you don't say that, right, right, They never say that.

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You never admit fault, not and I'm sorry nothing, You

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just you know, oops. But you let the insurance company

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handle it because you don't want to be uh, you

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don't want to put yourself in a bad position. I

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feel like this is kind of that. I also think

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it's interesting that in the statement it says anyone who

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purchased tickets under the impression this was a different performance

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is encouraged to contact us. That is weak. No, you

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should not encourage them to contact you. You should be

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sending an email to every single person who purchased a

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ticket to this event and say, if if you purchase

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these tickets in error, we would like to refund you.

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You should be you know, it's your fault, stub Hub.

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You should the honest should be on you contact each

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each individual who made a purchase and say, uh, we'd

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like to offer you a refund if this was the

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wrong event. You should take the initiative. In my opinion,

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so let's see.

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Speaker 6: Oh.

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Speaker 3: It also says here in the article lamb of God's

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block again the lead singer from Randy Blath from Lamb

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of God, took notice of the mistake and joked about

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it on his Instagram story, reposting news reports about the

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mix up. Oopsie the Rocker wrote over one story while

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commenting Merry Christmas, Spartanburg on another and I was reading

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something too about I guess he said in another interview

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that this is not the first time and probably won't

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be the last time something like this has happened. But

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there you go. But for anyone who purchased take us

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to that show, I hope you took advantage of getting

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a refund from StubHub, who you know so graciously offered

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you a refund if there was any confusion. Anyway, this

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is more stuff we can talk about in the music industry.

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There's a very very interesting story regarding AI. But let's

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play another track again. We're playing some Pulsifier in this

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hour because if you are listening live on Saturday, Pulsifier

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is playing tonight at Jewel Show starts at eight pm.

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Come see us. Jenny and I will be there. We're

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gonna play another track from Pulsifier right now though. This

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is called Scars, another great song and uh Pulsifier, great

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band from Maine. They will be there tonight at Jewel

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before they embark on their big tour. So if you

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are local to this area, this will be your last

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opportunity to see the band for a while because they're

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gonna be out on a big national tour. So very

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very happy for them, very excited. But here it is

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from Pulsifier. This is called scars Heaven.

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Speaker 10: No, that's gonna set you, Holland you was never good enough.

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Thus my sense give that it all to what do

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on action?

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Speaker 3: So mad a put me.

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Speaker 2: Still, tut me out.

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Speaker 7: Matter how is that look?

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Speaker 1: Come out with someone he loves me?

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Speaker 5: Leave you'll No, No, this is about character and me

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because we are to take evoution of reality.

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Speaker 1: Russ I never gone a walk.

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Speaker 10: Next checks for anyone. Check is closed, Helius time leaves.

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Speaker 7: Day's lef further that he is gone.

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Speaker 5: If we not know, I wouldn't Dave waste a second glance,

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reaching a better place, second chat and somehow complete land.

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Speaker 10: Most days I don't even think of you foking prisons

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the food you used to be, Scott's.

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Speaker 7: Remaining ter lean mind me.

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Speaker 5: How your father you're know o catching me? Because where

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You're done.

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Speaker 1: Take about of reality? A cone shas.

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Speaker 10: You're spider, tried to side till the two webb.

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Speaker 1: Not a thread.

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Speaker 2: Read me this sword forged thrill?

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Speaker 1: Who I'm fast here stuck in your own.

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Speaker 4: Cylone of mysery.

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Speaker 7: Or you love?

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Speaker 2: We give only pity.

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Speaker 1: He can't dose the fla.

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Speaker 2: Despot?

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Speaker 1: What you don't do hers you start to cry? Dun,

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what's not chockney? Pickup bad Pisa with glass call eating of.

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Speaker 2: Strong So.

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Speaker 11: Scott stompt Scott, it's a.

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Speaker 1: High ba you go somewhere, King.

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Speaker 7: Jo, change about version of reality. I'm giving going on connection,

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no high.

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Speaker 1: Highway. You no more controlling me.

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Speaker 5: We are don't control the take abouts of reality?

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Speaker 10: A connect shows for any one.

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Speaker 2: Strong a word brock can.

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Speaker 1: Scarce repaired?

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Speaker 2: God strong web block can.

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Speaker 1: Scarce repaired?

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Speaker 3: That is scars. The band is Pulsifier, and Pulsifier will

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be tonight at Jewel If you are listening live on Saturday.

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It is January seventeen, twenty twenty six. Pulsifier performing tonight

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at Jewel Music Venue, sixty nine Canal Street, right across

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the street from where were here at at the radio station. Actually,

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let's see they've also got Ashes of the Priest, which

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is a Lamb of God tribute band, and Son and Steel,

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an Iron Maiden tribute. Also bag Lady is performing, and

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this will be Pulsifier's last local show in the area

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before they go out on their big national tour. So

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if you want to see them, if you're around Manchester,

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New Hampshire, or even if you're a little ways out

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but you want to make the drive, you should. They're

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a great band. Jenny and I have seen them live

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before and we're really looking forward tonight. Come down, say

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hello to Jenny and I too. We'll be there. So

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Pulsifier tonight at Jewel Doors at eight pm and twenty

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one plus and that is this evening. So really that's

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why we're playing some Pulsifi in this hour here on

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Matt Conderton Unleashed got about. We're about halfway through our

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number three New Marrow trace of the show today. I

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did as promise. I wanted to talk about some news.

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You know, we mentioned band Camp on the show earlier.

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Band Camp two things that come up a lot on

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the show. Band Camp the website of course bandcamp dot

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com and AI and how AI is affecting how music

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is made generated consumed in the music industry, and band

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Camp has now banned AI generated music. They have made

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it official, saying that they want musicians to keep making music.

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And you know, we've got kind of a point counterpoint

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on this to look at. But first, this is from

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Music Businessworldwide dot com And this just happened, by the way,

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They just announced this ban a couple days ago. According

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to this website direct tofan platform, band Camp said it

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will ban artificial intelligence generated music and audio from its platform,

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including any use of AI tools to I personate other

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artists or styles. The company made the announcement in a

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post on Wednesday, January fourteenth. So this just happened. Like

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I said a few days ago. Quote, something that always

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strikes us as we put together a round up like

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this is the sheer quantity of human creativity and passion

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that artists express on band Camp every single day. The

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fact that band camp is home to such a vibrant

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community of real people making incredible music is something we

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want to protect and maintain unquote. And by the way,

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and this came up during our conversation with Adam Steglitch

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have ever felt in the second hour, I think what

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we talked about with Adam. It was either with Adam

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or with Grimrock. No, I think it was with Adam.

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We were talking about how band camp. One of the

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reasons that I'm such a proponent of it is if

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you get your music files from band Camp, You're getting

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a high quality music file, much higher quality than say

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if you're just streaming it on YouTube or something like that.

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So just something to be aware of too. Band Camp

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is really good that way. It says here again. According

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to this article, band Camp said music and audio that

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has created quote wholly or in substantial part by AI

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unquote will no longer be allowed on the platform. The

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company will also enforce existing policies against any use of

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AI tools to copy other artists or styles. The company said, quote,

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we want musicians to keep making music and for fans

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have confidence that the music they find on band Camp

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was created by humans unquote. Uh, this has come up

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several times, like I said, over the past couple of years.

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You know, Jenny and I talk about this all the

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time on the show, the effect of AI in the

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music industry and in the creation of music. And there

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are some tools like pseudo dot com which we've experimented

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with Live on the show that they can make some

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really realistic sounding, you know, music that sounds like it

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was made by humans, entirely by humans. One thing that look,

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it's any platform has the right, whether it's band, whether

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it's YouTube, whomever. As frustrating as it can be at times,

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any platform has a right to police and control what

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the content is, in this case music, when we talk

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about band Camp, what the content is it is being

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uploaded to their platform. However, I really worry with policies

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like this that because it's going to happen, it's inevitable.

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I guess it's an extent it's impossible to prevent this.

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So it comes down to an extent to which it

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ends up happening. Artists are going to get caught in

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the net. And I don't mean net as an internet,

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I mean net as in like a fishing net. Artists

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are going to get caught in the net where whatever

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software band Camp is using to detect AI generated music,

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there are going to be artists who are flagged by

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band Camp as being AI generated, who in fact are

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not AI generated. It's going to happen. It's unavoidable. Okay,

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So I'm not saying that because that's going to happen,

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that band camp should not do this. I'm not saying that,

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but what I am expressing is a concern that what

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if it happens a lot. Because anybody who's ever created

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anything that you've then put on the Internet for mass consumption,

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whether it's music, whether it's a podcast, doing a radio

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show that you know, in addition to being live on

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FM radio also streams online. Anybody who's ever created anything

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knows that sometimes you can get flagged, you can get tagged,

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you can get dinged for something by these platforms that

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is in fact, uh not correct, and you're getting blamed

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for something that you didn't necessarily do.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: Look, I've I've been on YouTube for a very long time.

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You know, it hasn't happened in a long time, but

476
00:35:07,119 --> 00:35:10,960
I have in the past, more so when I was

477
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,599
doing a lot more political content, I would get I

478
00:35:13,599 --> 00:35:16,119
would get dinged by YouTube for things. So you can't

479
00:35:16,119 --> 00:35:18,599
say this, you can't talk about that. You've got to

480
00:35:18,599 --> 00:35:24,800
strike on your account now because you said this, you

481
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,760
repeated this, and this is not accurate. You can't do that,

482
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:33,760
you know, and most of the time, not to sound

483
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:37,000
like I'm shirking responsibility. But most of the time it's like,

484
00:35:37,159 --> 00:35:39,920
wait a minute, that's not what I said. They're flagging

485
00:35:40,039 --> 00:35:43,599
me for I was quoting something somebody else said that

486
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:48,079
wasn't my opinion. Why are they Why am I being

487
00:35:48,159 --> 00:35:51,360
penalized for repeating what somebody else said and making it clear?

488
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,039
But see, you know what happens is right there is

489
00:35:54,119 --> 00:35:59,760
these the bots. They it's all it's AI. See, that's

490
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,480
the thing. They use AI to detect AI. That's what

491
00:36:02,599 --> 00:36:04,840
band camp is going to be doing here. They're going

492
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,400
to use AI to detect when there's.

493
00:36:07,199 --> 00:36:09,320
Speaker 2: AI and AI.

494
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,199
Speaker 3: The AI that they're using to detect whether or not

495
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,360
they there's AI is not going to get it right

496
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:20,920
every time, especially when because this is a little broad

497
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:28,559
when they say band camp, okay, band Camp said music

498
00:36:28,639 --> 00:36:32,159
and audio that is created holly or in substantial part

499
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:39,880
by AI. Listen, any any recording studio you know that

500
00:36:40,159 --> 00:36:45,440
that is modern is probably you know, probably has software

501
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:49,039
in their computers in that recording studio that use AI

502
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:52,760
to fix things, to tweak things. I mean, it's so

503
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:58,039
ingrained in everything, and it really has been with us

504
00:36:58,199 --> 00:37:00,679
for you know, some people act like, oh, it's this

505
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,360
new thing it's not. It's just becoming a lot more

506
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:06,960
prevalent with access to tools like chat ebt and things

507
00:37:07,039 --> 00:37:10,239
like this. But AI, there's always been an element of AI,

508
00:37:12,039 --> 00:37:14,880
not always literally, but for a very long time in

509
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:18,519
everything we do. I mean, look, even twenty years ago,

510
00:37:19,679 --> 00:37:25,880
you could go online, for example, and you could interact

511
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:31,440
with chatbots. Maybe there's a particular service that you are

512
00:37:31,519 --> 00:37:33,840
having a problem with. Maybe you made a purchase through

513
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:37,360
a website, for example, and your item never arrived or

514
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,800
there's something wrong with it. So you go to the

515
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,719
website and you try to contact someone to get some

516
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:47,880
help with your purchase, and you end up talking to

517
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:53,519
someone through a chat box. Right, You're talking to someone,

518
00:37:53,639 --> 00:37:56,440
but the person you're talking to doesn't seem to be

519
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:58,599
able to help you very much, or they seem to

520
00:37:58,679 --> 00:38:02,000
be really easily confused by what you're trying to communicate

521
00:38:02,039 --> 00:38:02,280
to them.

522
00:38:02,679 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 7: Why.

523
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,320
Speaker 3: Because it's not an actual person, it's a chatbot. It's

524
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:09,000
a bot. It's AI that's been with us for a

525
00:38:09,119 --> 00:38:17,239
very long time. So it's not new, it's much more prevalent,

526
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,719
especially over the last couple of years. It's much more

527
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:22,960
prevalent than it was and will continue to be it

528
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:29,079
seems to be accelerating and unavoidable, but it's not perfect,

529
00:38:30,559 --> 00:38:35,880
and it makes mistakes. It's almost makes it kind of

530
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:40,039
human in that sense. Right now, as it becomes more sophisticated,

531
00:38:40,079 --> 00:38:42,039
I presume it will make fewer and fewer mistakes, but

532
00:38:42,079 --> 00:38:45,239
it still makes mistakes. So in other words, again, I

533
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:47,000
say all that to say, people are gonna get caught

534
00:38:47,039 --> 00:38:49,360
up in this net. When I see these platforms saying well,

535
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:52,199
we're going to ban any use of AI in anything

536
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:55,039
that is uploaded to our platform, It's like, but how

537
00:38:55,079 --> 00:38:58,840
are you going to accurately detect it? And I know

538
00:38:59,039 --> 00:39:01,159
some will say, no, there's nothing to worry about here.

539
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:03,519
You'd be surprised. I've had people tell me that, Matt,

540
00:39:03,559 --> 00:39:07,719
you'd be very surprised at how accurate AI can detect

541
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,960
when there's AI being used. I'm a little bit skeptical,

542
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:15,320
because again, I'm someone who has seen what happens when

543
00:39:17,119 --> 00:39:22,119
AI tells me, for example, that I've done something wrong

544
00:39:22,199 --> 00:39:24,719
on YouTube, when I didn't even do the thing that

545
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,760
I'm being accused of by this bot, and good luck

546
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:31,039
trying to talk to a real person, you know. Don't

547
00:39:31,079 --> 00:39:33,519
get me wrong, There's been a couple instances where I've

548
00:39:33,599 --> 00:39:37,719
appealed strikes on my channel and one. But I've also

549
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,119
lost some too that I shouldn't have lost. But again,

550
00:39:40,559 --> 00:39:43,639
it's it is AI. It's not a human being I'm

551
00:39:43,679 --> 00:39:49,280
talking to. So so that's my concern about this.

552
00:39:49,519 --> 00:39:49,760
Speaker 2: Again.

553
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 3: Ultimately, they can do whatever they want. It's their platform,

554
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:54,320
but I worry about people getting caught up in the

555
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:57,599
net who shouldn't be. It also says here again continuing

556
00:39:57,719 --> 00:39:59,960
with this article, this is from Music Businessworldwide dot com.

557
00:40:00,199 --> 00:40:02,760
It says band Camp said the new policy was driven

558
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:06,519
by quote the sheer quantity of human creativity and passion

559
00:40:06,559 --> 00:40:10,000
that artists express on band Camp every single day unquote.

560
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:14,159
Users will be able to report suspected AI generated content

561
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:17,599
through band Camp's reporting tools. The company says it reserves

562
00:40:17,639 --> 00:40:20,440
the right to remove music based on suspicion of AI generation.

563
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:23,119
The company said it will update the policy as AI

564
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:26,880
technology continues to develop. The announcement comes over four months

565
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:30,239
since band Camp launched a new thirteen dollars a month

566
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:35,079
subscription service that is human curated. The service gives users

567
00:40:35,159 --> 00:40:40,760
access to monthly recorded selections, listening parties, recommendations, and exclusive

568
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:47,480
artists content. Band Camp general manager Dan Melnick at the

569
00:40:47,559 --> 00:40:51,039
time said, quote, Instead of algorithms, fans get human curated

570
00:40:51,119 --> 00:40:54,039
picks from some of the best DJs and journalists in

571
00:40:54,119 --> 00:40:58,760
their respective areas. Exclusive interviews with artists and community listening parties,

572
00:40:59,039 --> 00:41:02,440
vibrant music scenes made up of DJ's, journalists, fans and artists,

573
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:07,400
and band camp clubs reflect that as always, artists are

574
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:11,119
paid fairly and sit at the heart of the experience.

575
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:13,039
Unquote all right, well, I like that.

576
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:13,760
Speaker 9: I like that.

577
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:17,679
Speaker 3: Founded in two thousand and eight, band camp launched as

578
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:21,000
a direct to consumer alternative to record labels for artists.

579
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:24,159
It has since expanded its services to include features such

580
00:41:24,159 --> 00:41:28,599
as ticket live streaming, and vinyl pressing. Artists like Peter

581
00:41:28,639 --> 00:41:32,800
Gabriel and b York have placed their catalogs on the platform.

582
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:35,239
All Right, I don't want to get into the whole

583
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:40,280
history of band camp, but uh okay, and then it

584
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:42,559
gets into some more details about band Camp. Oh of

585
00:41:42,679 --> 00:41:45,239
skipping down though, because Spotify is mentioned here, and I

586
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:47,199
remember we talked about this on the show too, and

587
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:50,280
I expressed the same concern when talking about Spotify removing

588
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:52,840
AI generated music. Some artists are going to get caught

589
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:55,719
in the net it says here. Spotify in September said

590
00:41:55,760 --> 00:42:01,440
it removed more than seventy five million spammy tracks from

591
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:04,480
its platform over the past year. Amid the explosion of

592
00:42:04,639 --> 00:42:08,320
generative AI tools, the streaming giant rolled out new policies

593
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:12,280
for managing AI generated content on its service to address that.

594
00:42:13,519 --> 00:42:17,360
In November, French streaming platform Deezer said it receives over

595
00:42:17,599 --> 00:42:22,840
fifty thousand fully AI generated tracks daily, or thirty four

596
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:26,079
percent of all tracks uploaded to its platform each day.

597
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:31,760
Oh my god, that's nuts. That is wild. Now, so

598
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:39,039
that's band Camp's position. Now someone has offered a I

599
00:42:39,079 --> 00:42:40,960
don't know if rebuke is quite the right word, but

600
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:45,239
there's an artist because you would think, you would think

601
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,559
recording artists would be in favor of what band camp

602
00:42:48,679 --> 00:42:52,719
is doing, and probably most are. But Holly Herndon says

603
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:57,039
band Camp's AI ban is misguided. This comes from stereogum

604
00:42:57,119 --> 00:43:02,079
dot com. This went up just yesterday. Earlier this week,

605
00:43:02,199 --> 00:43:06,079
band Camp issued a blanket ban on generative AI and

606
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:09,840
deep fake impersonations. The new measure makes band Camp an

607
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:13,119
exception on the streaming landscape, where AI music is becoming

608
00:43:13,159 --> 00:43:16,119
more and more inescapable. Most of The reactions to this

609
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:19,519
band camp announcement were positive, but one artist who's not

610
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:25,039
applauding it is Holly Herndon, an experimental artist who has

611
00:43:25,199 --> 00:43:28,239
long messed around with what she sees as the artistic

612
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:33,159
possibilities of AI technology. Holly Herndon has a PhD from

613
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:37,800
Stanford's Center for Computer Research in Music and Acoustics, and

614
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:40,760
she has made her most recent album, twenty nineteen's Proto

615
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:45,599
with Spawn and AI Baby, curated by Herndon and her

616
00:43:45,679 --> 00:43:51,480
partner Matt Dryhurst. A few years ago, Herndon and Dryhurst

617
00:43:54,039 --> 00:43:58,840
launched Spawning, a tool that allows artists to choose whether

618
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,159
or not their work will be used to train AI,

619
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:07,559
and that work earned them Austria's first Digital Human Rights Award. Interesting.

620
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:10,519
I didn't know that was a thing. On Wednesday, in

621
00:44:10,559 --> 00:44:16,159
response to band Camp's new policy, Herndon tweeted this, putting

622
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:19,760
the ban in band camp it is a wicked problem.

623
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:22,599
So I understand what they are trying to do. I'm

624
00:44:22,639 --> 00:44:26,480
sure the human moderators won't be banning artists exploring AI. Rather,

625
00:44:26,599 --> 00:44:30,400
I hope will just be looking to filter out sound spam.

626
00:44:31,039 --> 00:44:37,239
The gray area will only get larger m HM after

627
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:41,000
a negative response to that tweet. Herndon elaborated with a

628
00:44:41,159 --> 00:44:45,800
thread and she said this, I understand why band camp

629
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:49,679
is taking this measure, but it's a tourniquet. The human

630
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:53,239
AI binary is not going to hold and will become

631
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:57,000
a matter of superficial optics. I already have more authorship

632
00:44:57,039 --> 00:44:59,800
in my models than most pop stars do in their songs.

633
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:03,800
People will already be using models to generate songs they

634
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:08,599
then put a human filter on. Artists will integrate generated

635
00:45:08,639 --> 00:45:11,559
passages into works they orchestrate, and will soon train their

636
00:45:11,639 --> 00:45:15,599
own models. Another protection might be to flag accounts that

637
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:20,119
posts on an inhuman amount of content, but that too

638
00:45:20,599 --> 00:45:24,960
may seem retrograde. We live with infinite media now. I

639
00:45:25,119 --> 00:45:28,320
encourage platforms to be more curated, but enforcing a hard

640
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:32,559
human AI binary is not the right way to address

641
00:45:32,599 --> 00:45:35,559
this long term. If an expert uses AI to help

642
00:45:35,599 --> 00:45:38,400
them write an article they otherwise would not have the

643
00:45:38,559 --> 00:45:41,480
time to complete, it will not be of less substance

644
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:45,519
than a non expert with time on their hands writing

645
00:45:45,639 --> 00:45:49,760
something by hand. A practice or reputation of thought and

646
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:53,480
work developed over time is the best filter. The contemporary

647
00:45:53,559 --> 00:45:56,159
demand for twenty four to seven content from people is

648
00:45:56,719 --> 00:46:07,000
the problem. So that's that's basically her argument. So she's concerned.

649
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:09,760
She has some of the same concerns I do. I

650
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:11,320
mean from a little bit of a you know, from

651
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:12,199
a different perspective.

652
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:13,199
Speaker 6: But but.

653
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I think the tooth based is probably

654
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:21,960
pretty far out of the tube at this point. As

655
00:46:22,039 --> 00:46:26,840
I like to say, Now, there's another element to this though,

656
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:29,559
and this is this is the part that people don't

657
00:46:29,599 --> 00:46:31,920
talk about very much. But this came up on the

658
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:37,719
show not long ago. These streaming platforms because of the

659
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:41,920
rise of AI generated music and and how easy it

660
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:43,760
is to make it, and and it is a form

661
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:45,840
of spam. I think Holly Herndon referred to it as

662
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:48,480
sound spam when you just if you just make a

663
00:46:48,599 --> 00:46:50,719
whole bunch of AI tracks and just upload them all

664
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:53,800
at once to Spotify and bandcamp, YouTube and wherever else.

665
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:58,599
It does cause a problem, uh, in terms of storage,

666
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:01,760
because you know, we like to think of you know,

667
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:07,039
it's just data. It's not it's not something you know

668
00:47:07,159 --> 00:47:09,239
that you can touch or feel or it's or hold.

669
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:12,480
It's it's data. Is there. Therefore, there's just a it

670
00:47:12,559 --> 00:47:14,880
doesn't take up any actual room anywhere. You just have

671
00:47:15,039 --> 00:47:17,920
this infinite amount of storage space to put data. But

672
00:47:18,039 --> 00:47:18,840
that's not true.

673
00:47:19,679 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 2: You have to.

674
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:24,639
Speaker 3: You do have to create the physical mechanisms with which

675
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:26,800
to store that data, and you do have to make

676
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:28,840
more of those if you were in more data you

677
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:32,079
have to store. So if you think about this, I

678
00:47:32,159 --> 00:47:36,599
don't know the numbers offhand how many different song files

679
00:47:36,679 --> 00:47:39,960
are on band Camp and Spotify, and obviously it's in

680
00:47:40,039 --> 00:47:43,480
the millions, perhaps in the billions, I don't know. But

681
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:48,960
if if that's all been ratcheted up exponentially because of

682
00:47:49,119 --> 00:47:52,559
the rise and the ease with which you can create

683
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:55,920
AI generated music, then that's a problem. So of course

684
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:58,079
they have to find ways to filter this stuff out.

685
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:02,159
And then I find this, Uh, this is on Music

686
00:48:02,199 --> 00:48:05,360
Business Worldwide dot com and this just went up a

687
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:09,840
couple of days ago. Music streaming. Music streaming platforms now

688
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:15,119
host a quarter of a billion tracks. Where does it end?

689
00:48:16,679 --> 00:48:20,039
And uh, this is uh, this is short, but it

690
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:23,440
just kind of gives us an idea of the scope

691
00:48:23,519 --> 00:48:28,199
of the concern here. So it says here there were

692
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:31,960
two hundred and fifty three million music tracks sitting on

693
00:48:32,079 --> 00:48:35,760
audio streaming services at the close of twenty twenty five yep,

694
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:40,480
over a quarter of a million. According to new data

695
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:45,639
from Luminant's new annual report, that was that was up

696
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:51,239
only thirty seven point nine million tracks, an average of

697
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:57,719
one hundred and six thousand uploads per day. Most of

698
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:02,119
this music was far from popular. Almost half of the

699
00:49:02,159 --> 00:49:06,440
two hundred and fifty three million files hosted by audio

700
00:49:06,519 --> 00:49:11,119
platforms received fewer than ten streams last year. Almost three

701
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:14,360
quarters of it received fewer than one hundred annual streams,

702
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:17,519
and nearly nine tenths of it received fewer than one

703
00:49:17,639 --> 00:49:21,199
thousand annual streams. We're obviously a long long way from

704
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:24,239
Apple's promise to deliver one thousand songs in your pocket

705
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:29,599
with the iPod ay. Yes, as AI generated music proliferates,

706
00:49:30,159 --> 00:49:32,519
are we now just a few short years from the

707
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:37,559
likes of Spotify hosting quote one billion songs in your pocket?

708
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:42,000
And wouldn't such a title wave of content inevitably swamp

709
00:49:42,079 --> 00:49:46,079
digital services while hurting artists, songwriters and the perceived value

710
00:49:46,119 --> 00:49:48,960
of music amongst consumers. This is all, These are all

711
00:49:49,039 --> 00:49:52,440
legitimate concerns. In my opinion, I don't know what the

712
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:54,679
answer is. By the way, off, I'm not here to

713
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:56,960
offer solutions because I have no idea what the answer

714
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is to this, but these are legitimate concerts. A Universal

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Music Group CEO and chairman, Sir Lucian Grange certainly thinks so,

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and he's keen to stop it from happening. Last week,

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Grange delivered a stark warning about AI generated content overwhelming

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streaming platforms. In his twenty twenty six New Year's Address,

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he wrote, quote, validating business models that failed to respect

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artists work and creativity and promote the exponential growth of

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AI slop on streaming platforms is a grave disservice to artists,

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songwriters and all of us who work in music. Unquote,

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this warning was not theoretical. Last year Spotify removed think

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think about these numbers. Last year, Spotify removed over seventy

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five million spammy tracks from its platform, while rival Deezer

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reported receiving fifty thousand fully AI generated tracks per day,

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accounting for thirty four percent of all daily uploads. So

728
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think about that. So, on any given day, Deezer, what's

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being uploaded? A third of it a third is AI

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generated tracks. Yet, despite this aggressive purgeing of content, the

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total amount of music and the global audio streaming ecosystem

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continued to soar in twenty twenty five. Discussion around tracks

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that attract fewer than one thousand streams per year is,

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of course particularly relevant. Here illuminates new numbers help illustrate why,

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with UMG's encouragement, audio streaming services move toward artist centric

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style payment models a couple of years ago, and why

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these models are now increasingly being stress tested by AI.

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In early twenty twenty four, Spotify introduced a threshold requiring

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tracks to attract at least one thousand plays in a

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twelve month period to qualify for royalty payouts, which a

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lot of people were mad about. They were critical of

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I get it though at the time Spotify said ninety

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nine point five percent of streams on its platform went

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to tracks exceeding the one thousand annual streams threshold. Under

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its new policy, it said each of those tracks would

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earn more, with payouts previously going to sub one thousand

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stream tracks redirected back into the royalty pool. Deezer's artist

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centric model, launched in partnership with you Universal and Warner,

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achieved a similar aim, providing a double boost in royalties

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to artists with a minimum of one thousand streams per

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month and five hundred unique listeners. This goes on. There's

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a lot of numbers here and we don't have time

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to get into all of it, but the article isn't

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that long, so if you want to check it out,

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music Businessworldwide dot com, which is a great website for

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music news if you're interested in the industry and so forth.

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But we are rapidly running out of time, so I

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think we will close with that. I'm gonna sneak in

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one more Pulsifier song though, let's see because so again

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tonight and if you are listening live on Saturday, Pulsifier

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will be at Music I'm sorry at Jewel Music Venue

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I believe is the official name tonight at eight pm.

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Show starts at eight pm. It is twenty one plus,

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but Jenny and I will be there for the show,

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so come see us. Really looking forward to that. Pulsifier

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such a great band, really great live. It will be

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our second time seeing them. And if you are in

768
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the Manchester, New Hampshire area and you do want to

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see Pulsifier, this will be the last opportunity to see

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them for a little while around here because they are

771
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going out on a big national tour, so not sure

772
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when exactly they're going to be back. But let's see,

773
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I was looking for a specific song here and I'm

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not finding it. Oh, here it is, I found it. Yeah,

775
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we'll play this track, war Cry. This is really good.

776
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This will be a good way to close the show today.

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Thank you everyone who joined us. Of course Adam Seglitch

778
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:56,840
from ever Felt always enjoy speaking with him, And of

779
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course we talked to grim Rock in the first hour.

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And uh, if you miss any part of today's show

781
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and we'll be up in just a little bit at

782
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:06,320
w m n H radio dot org and of course

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00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:10,000
at my website Mattconnorton dot com. All right, that's gonna

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do it for us for now. Hope to see you

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00:54:11,199 --> 00:54:14,000
a night at Jewel for Pulsifier. And we're gonna close

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out this week's show with this. This is called war Cry.

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Talk at you all a little bit later. Bye, everybody.

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Speaker 10: When they hear the crown, it has been decided.

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Speaker 6: I love the mind?

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Speaker 1: Who has wrong?

791
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:30,039
Speaker 2: Was I one or lost? Before?

792
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:34,159
Speaker 4: Even Funck moved with confidence till time.

793
00:55:35,119 --> 00:55:38,039
Speaker 10: Forward, without fear have to fall out.

794
00:55:38,159 --> 00:55:40,280
Speaker 1: Clear victory is so near.

795
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Speaker 4: Chance to break me.

796
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Speaker 2: I will not be changed.

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Speaker 4: High close minded things spirits wild and.

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Speaker 12: Had to un the stop, so I no longer say

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my shid all loud away A doors not follows me.

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Speaker 5: From careful ins fight ok to fil me when this

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long the hell name sittings back to me.

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Speaker 2: Well cry.

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Speaker 5: Little here your for cry, little hear your poor cry.

804
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Screamer your poor cry.

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Speaker 4: Carry out come qui as long as it takes to

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today true the dump men names not as sin has

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a new back then wiser each time I've baking again,

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I'm nursed me put away prepared, so campares through rumer

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where that's some difference because the fan should cry when

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you're here.

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Speaker 9: But that's when I turned by, had took son, so

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I know them sy my hid blind you away quit dall.

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Speaker 5: The next that follows me wo from cant the lance

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fight a cat she rid of me when there's bars

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warm bell pay cities after me.

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Speaker 10: This is a call to battle, give it all fired

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to survive.

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Speaker 2: Time has come to make joy.

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Speaker 4: How you live before you die, how you live before?

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Speaker 1: So I had to listop so got.

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Speaker 5: My shild longing away when dark and the side follows

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me two frontful means fighte PoCA to win. When this

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guy is one Their name is Cities after Me walka.

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Speaker 1: WLCA.

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Speaker 3: You are listening to Mattconnorton Unleashed on wm n H

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