WEBVTT 1 00:00:04.879 --> 00:00:17.079 Uh uh, what's up, Pricks? 2 00:00:17.320 --> 00:00:17.920 How you doing? 3 00:00:18.679 --> 00:00:18.800 Hey? 4 00:00:18.879 --> 00:00:19.399 Hey? 5 00:00:19.440 --> 00:00:26.679 God, hi, hey hey hey hey hey listen listen are 6 00:00:26.679 --> 00:00:27.160 you listening? 7 00:00:27.600 --> 00:00:29.879 Uh huh, Pricks. 8 00:00:30.519 --> 00:00:35.000 Okay, So there's this this thing has come to Hollywood, 9 00:00:35.560 --> 00:00:36.280 come to Hollywood. 10 00:00:36.320 --> 00:00:37.119 What am I talking about? 11 00:00:37.439 --> 00:00:40.920 They're an article came out on Deadline and we feel 12 00:00:40.920 --> 00:00:43.960 like we need to comment on it because, yeah, first 13 00:00:43.960 --> 00:00:46.039 of all, we know some of a few of the 14 00:00:46.359 --> 00:00:49.359 we know a little bit, we know some of the players. 15 00:00:49.359 --> 00:00:50.799 Well let's let me just tell you what it is. 16 00:00:50.840 --> 00:00:53.079 And some of somebody posted it on our Rose Pricks 17 00:00:53.119 --> 00:00:56.439 Facebook feed, so you guys know probably, But since this 18 00:00:56.600 --> 00:01:00.520 whole thing is Bachelor number one, that's what our podcast is. 19 00:01:00.560 --> 00:01:02.759 We do a lot of other things, but we're a 20 00:01:02.759 --> 00:01:07.120 bachelor group. As you know you're listening. There's trouble in Paradise, 21 00:01:07.959 --> 00:01:12.719 my god. Yeah literally, yes, I mean in every possible way, 22 00:01:12.799 --> 00:01:15.879 and we're a little bit scared. And I mean we've 23 00:01:15.879 --> 00:01:17.959 said this for a long time. Some shit needs to change, 24 00:01:18.000 --> 00:01:19.879 but I don't think we realized till like a lot 25 00:01:19.920 --> 00:01:23.319 of whistleblowers apparently went to Deadline or whoever they went to, 26 00:01:24.400 --> 00:01:27.280 we did not know how toxic the environment seems to 27 00:01:27.359 --> 00:01:30.840 have gotten over there at in the making of the Bachelor. 28 00:01:31.719 --> 00:01:33.239 Yeah, so let's get into it. 29 00:01:33.319 --> 00:01:37.280 So just a tiny tiny bit of backstory that but 30 00:01:37.799 --> 00:01:39.959 which might be in this article, So I might be 31 00:01:40.159 --> 00:01:43.040 this might be overkill. We could we can like read 32 00:01:43.079 --> 00:01:45.920 from the article. This is how I think we should 33 00:01:45.920 --> 00:01:47.519 do it. We should read from the article, and then 34 00:01:47.560 --> 00:01:50.480 we'll just keep stopping and discussing anything that we have 35 00:01:50.640 --> 00:01:51.239 insight on. 36 00:01:51.920 --> 00:01:52.359 Let's start. 37 00:01:52.400 --> 00:01:54.359 Let me start, because the gen trand the way they 38 00:01:54.359 --> 00:01:56.400 start this article is really well written because they get 39 00:01:56.480 --> 00:01:58.680 right in there with what Jen had to go through. 40 00:01:59.079 --> 00:02:01.760 So Jen, we are he knew like in retrospect the 41 00:02:01.840 --> 00:02:04.400 shit we turned out who Devin turned out to be 42 00:02:04.560 --> 00:02:07.560 such a nightmare of a human. So I'll just read 43 00:02:07.599 --> 00:02:09.840 it as it says, Yes, as we know now and 44 00:02:09.879 --> 00:02:13.280 Stephanie knew earlier. Jen transtarved the last season obviously, the 45 00:02:13.280 --> 00:02:16.120 bachelorette was in tears, her mother sitting yards away as 46 00:02:16.159 --> 00:02:20.080 she watched footage of her proposing. I forgot she proposed 47 00:02:20.120 --> 00:02:23.439 to him to devn On abcs after the final rose. 48 00:02:23.479 --> 00:02:26.520 The engagement had not worked out and was over before 49 00:02:26.599 --> 00:02:30.039 Jen was forced to relieve that day alongside Devon. It 50 00:02:30.120 --> 00:02:33.759 was a decision that former Bachelor star Ben Higgins called quoth, 51 00:02:33.960 --> 00:02:38.159 cruel and unnecessary, which we all said as audience, as 52 00:02:38.159 --> 00:02:40.199 people watching the show, we were like, oh, this is 53 00:02:41.000 --> 00:02:44.919 this is rough, This feels like like abuse. Yes, and 54 00:02:44.960 --> 00:02:47.599 it was. Remember she said, and they say this in 55 00:02:47.639 --> 00:02:50.520 the article. Do I have a choice? She asked Jesse 56 00:02:50.759 --> 00:02:53.479 and he nope. He's like, it seems she didn't, So 57 00:02:53.919 --> 00:02:57.479 off we went. Now we find out in this article 58 00:02:57.520 --> 00:03:00.759 the decision to air the footage was made by Clay Freeland, 59 00:03:00.759 --> 00:03:03.960 who serves as showrunner and an EP of the Bachelor 60 00:03:04.000 --> 00:03:07.960 franchise alongside Bennett Rabner Rabi. 61 00:03:08.319 --> 00:03:10.759 Now these are names that we need to Yes, these 62 00:03:10.800 --> 00:03:12.319 are yeah, these are the players. 63 00:03:13.039 --> 00:03:16.639 These are the players, and they're relatively new players. Yes, 64 00:03:17.680 --> 00:03:19.759 so names we haven't really seen a lot. Claire made 65 00:03:19.800 --> 00:03:21.639 that decision to put in that position, put her in 66 00:03:21.680 --> 00:03:24.520 that position and air that proposal on live TV. A 67 00:03:24.560 --> 00:03:28.199 former producer said producers were screaming at them in the 68 00:03:28.240 --> 00:03:31.360 booth to stop and were ignored. They said she was 69 00:03:31.400 --> 00:03:35.719 falling apart. Now let's pause here because I kind of 70 00:03:35.719 --> 00:03:38.639 feel like, yeah, I'm a little torn. I'm of two minds. 71 00:03:38.680 --> 00:03:42.000 Because as a TV producer I can kind of understand. 72 00:03:42.080 --> 00:03:45.840 I mean, people watched it's cruel and unusual, but it's 73 00:03:45.919 --> 00:03:48.759 reality TV. It's not the first time they've shown a 74 00:03:48.800 --> 00:03:50.560 breakup or like a nightmare. 75 00:03:51.599 --> 00:03:54.960 Yeah, yeah, it was kind it was kind of the 76 00:03:55.000 --> 00:03:57.639 way it was done though, because Devin did not as 77 00:03:57.680 --> 00:04:00.960 you remember, Devin just did not give a fuck. No. 78 00:04:01.400 --> 00:04:04.599 I mean he really came up across like a sociopath 79 00:04:04.719 --> 00:04:08.319 and also knowing everything that had happened since. But yeah, 80 00:04:08.599 --> 00:04:10.479 I agree with you in the sense that, like when 81 00:04:10.520 --> 00:04:12.960 they showed that whole thing of I think it was 82 00:04:13.000 --> 00:04:16.639 Ari breaking up with what's her name, and. 83 00:04:16.600 --> 00:04:18.439 You had to hear them gulping every time, like the 84 00:04:18.560 --> 00:04:21.160 crying and like sendading, and they were. 85 00:04:21.079 --> 00:04:21.920 Like following her. 86 00:04:22.279 --> 00:04:24.439 Ari was having to follow her from room to room 87 00:04:24.480 --> 00:04:26.399 and she was like get out, go away, I don't 88 00:04:26.439 --> 00:04:30.279 want to talk to you, and then you know he'd 89 00:04:30.319 --> 00:04:32.399 be like, okay, but can I just talk to you 90 00:04:32.439 --> 00:04:35.279 for a minute, you know, and it went on forever. 91 00:04:36.160 --> 00:04:37.879 So and that was different producers. 92 00:04:38.639 --> 00:04:42.079 That was pretty bad too. But it's what it's the show. 93 00:04:42.240 --> 00:04:44.800 I mean, it's the drama. It's the thing. I mean, 94 00:04:44.839 --> 00:04:46.680 this is like what people kind of signed up for. 95 00:04:46.720 --> 00:04:49.720 But it's she was crying to the place where you 96 00:04:49.800 --> 00:04:52.600 can She's not an actress. She's not like, I don't 97 00:04:52.639 --> 00:04:56.680 think she's pursuing acting. So it felt like, oh my god, no, 98 00:04:56.959 --> 00:04:59.720 this feels like like a snuff film. 99 00:05:00.399 --> 00:05:01.959 I think I said that at the time, like this 100 00:05:02.000 --> 00:05:05.120 is crazy, this is insane. Yeah, yes, yes. 101 00:05:05.560 --> 00:05:08.040 So her story, it says, highlights the current behind the 102 00:05:08.040 --> 00:05:10.800 scenes state of Bachelor Nation. She came to a head 103 00:05:10.839 --> 00:05:14.600 earlier last week when a majority of production staff. So 104 00:05:14.639 --> 00:05:16.160 this is a production this is not we're not talking 105 00:05:16.160 --> 00:05:18.959 about the editors or whatever. This is just production side. 106 00:05:19.319 --> 00:05:19.879 We're five. 107 00:05:19.920 --> 00:05:22.279 They were asked as a result of ABC and Warner 108 00:05:22.279 --> 00:05:25.079 Brothers TV decision to pause The Bachelorette. 109 00:05:25.079 --> 00:05:27.480 So a bunch of people got canned. 110 00:05:27.319 --> 00:05:30.920 Right And by the way, in this article, right after 111 00:05:30.959 --> 00:05:33.279 the thing about Genran, it says, do you know why 112 00:05:33.399 --> 00:05:37.319 Freeland did it? Because it was her idea? Yeah, producers 113 00:05:37.360 --> 00:05:41.519 said so Claire, Yes, Claire's idea. So this is kind 114 00:05:41.560 --> 00:05:44.040 of what they're going to be talking about. So there's 115 00:05:44.079 --> 00:05:46.800 a power issue here is what it sounds like. So 116 00:05:47.600 --> 00:05:50.879 some people speaking with Deadline prior to the layoffs described 117 00:05:50.920 --> 00:05:52.600 one source, so they are hiding sources. 118 00:05:52.639 --> 00:05:54.800 People are scared, they need jobs. They don't want to 119 00:05:54.800 --> 00:05:55.759 fuck up their lives. 120 00:05:56.079 --> 00:05:56.319 Right. 121 00:05:56.399 --> 00:05:59.519 They said it was a blood bath over Bachelor production. 122 00:06:00.199 --> 00:06:03.040 A dozen current and former crew members claim that Freeland, 123 00:06:03.040 --> 00:06:06.079 these two people were new people have run a quote 124 00:06:06.120 --> 00:06:10.360 toxic and hostile environment where only their ideas are accepted 125 00:06:10.759 --> 00:06:13.360 and others are worn to step in line. Or else 126 00:06:13.439 --> 00:06:15.959 they were they would be asked to leave. Now they 127 00:06:16.040 --> 00:06:17.240 deny the allegations. 128 00:06:17.240 --> 00:06:17.800 I have to say. 129 00:06:17.920 --> 00:06:22.560 So here's so, following Mike Flic's exit, Yeah, let's never 130 00:06:22.680 --> 00:06:26.759 forget that Mike flis like literally was a domestic violence 131 00:06:27.279 --> 00:06:28.439 against his wife. 132 00:06:28.879 --> 00:06:31.480 Right, are now divorced in Hawaii? Remember that? 133 00:06:32.199 --> 00:06:35.680 Yeah? Yeah, and was kind of forced out. So following 134 00:06:35.720 --> 00:06:39.639 his exit, the show elevated three people to run the franchise. 135 00:06:40.040 --> 00:06:44.040 Claire Freeland, who had previously run The Bachelor in Canada, 136 00:06:44.720 --> 00:06:47.959 Grabner whoever that guy is, who had worked on the 137 00:06:47.959 --> 00:06:52.800 franchise since twenty eight and Jason Erlick, who has been 138 00:06:52.839 --> 00:06:56.399 involved in the show for over twenty years now, Right, 139 00:06:56.560 --> 00:06:57.720 you know Jason Erlick. 140 00:06:58.240 --> 00:06:59.240 So I know Jason. 141 00:06:59.480 --> 00:07:01.839 He was my boss, my main my head head, like 142 00:07:02.040 --> 00:07:05.160 head honcho boss when I was working out ready, for love. 143 00:07:05.319 --> 00:07:07.800 And I want to say because I when I saw 144 00:07:07.800 --> 00:07:10.160 his name, I was like, oh my god, what. 145 00:07:10.720 --> 00:07:12.040 But then it says okay. 146 00:07:12.079 --> 00:07:13.839 So the hope was, let me before I tell you 147 00:07:14.120 --> 00:07:16.240 that this trio of people could usher in a new 148 00:07:16.279 --> 00:07:18.399 phase for the Reality universe, you know, because they do 149 00:07:18.480 --> 00:07:21.120 need to step it up. It is a little antiquated, 150 00:07:21.160 --> 00:07:24.600 as we've said. But as you when you learn later, 151 00:07:24.800 --> 00:07:26.600 is that he left. He did not make it with 152 00:07:26.680 --> 00:07:28.639 these two. And what I want to say is going 153 00:07:28.639 --> 00:07:32.199 to surprise you. He's, like, legit, one of the nicest 154 00:07:32.240 --> 00:07:35.920 people I've ever freaking worked for. That guy was not 155 00:07:36.000 --> 00:07:38.279 only nice to me and supportive of all my stupid 156 00:07:38.319 --> 00:07:40.759 ideas and was like it was like a very happy 157 00:07:41.439 --> 00:07:43.920 lots of fear like we you know, when we were 158 00:07:43.959 --> 00:07:46.160 like coming up with date ideas, not like on set 159 00:07:46.279 --> 00:07:50.480 or anything, but just like very chill work environment, so fun. 160 00:07:50.879 --> 00:07:52.920 He would have little meetings just to like pump us up. 161 00:07:53.000 --> 00:07:55.279 Sometimes he'd be like, okay, nine o'clock morning meeting, and 162 00:07:55.319 --> 00:07:59.199 he would tell like inspiring stories and tell us how 163 00:07:59.240 --> 00:08:01.279 great that we were and what fun we were having 164 00:08:01.279 --> 00:08:03.480 and let's not you know, let's not ever like go 165 00:08:03.560 --> 00:08:06.160 home sad. I mean, he's a good dude, and I'm 166 00:08:06.199 --> 00:08:08.279 sorry if someone else has had a bad experience with him, 167 00:08:08.279 --> 00:08:10.240 and that might be, but I was so happy to 168 00:08:10.240 --> 00:08:11.759 see that was not in this article. 169 00:08:12.120 --> 00:08:14.720 So he's so good is not a positive thing. 170 00:08:14.839 --> 00:08:17.240 Yes, I like Jason a lot, and I mean, and 171 00:08:17.279 --> 00:08:18.959 I don't need to say that because I don't work 172 00:08:18.959 --> 00:08:21.240 in that universe anymore in reality television. 173 00:08:21.279 --> 00:08:23.360 But he's he seems like a really good guy. 174 00:08:23.759 --> 00:08:26.480 So but now they're saying that he has been part 175 00:08:26.480 --> 00:08:28.000 of the show for a lot of years. 176 00:08:28.040 --> 00:08:29.720 He's been part of the show, but not part of 177 00:08:29.759 --> 00:08:32.240 this trio. So he became part of this trio and 178 00:08:32.320 --> 00:08:36.440 these new people whatever, but then he left ended up 179 00:08:36.480 --> 00:08:39.159 leaving right whatever for whatever. 180 00:08:39.159 --> 00:08:43.159 And so it says a trio of other EPs, Nicole Woods, 181 00:08:43.279 --> 00:08:47.240 Peter Geist, and I know Peters as well, kerk Oh, 182 00:08:47.320 --> 00:08:47.600 you do. 183 00:08:48.159 --> 00:08:49.759 I think he was one of the I think he 184 00:08:49.840 --> 00:08:51.879 was one of the people there at one of our 185 00:08:51.919 --> 00:08:52.679 production people. 186 00:08:52.720 --> 00:08:53.320 I don't remember. 187 00:08:53.360 --> 00:08:55.840 But it says they oversaw the franchise on a day 188 00:08:55.879 --> 00:08:57.840 to day basis, but they also departed. 189 00:08:58.799 --> 00:09:00.639 They departed and then early took over. 190 00:09:00.720 --> 00:09:03.279 So this is we're going back the articles, taking us 191 00:09:03.320 --> 00:09:07.960 back before these two alleged crazies came in right, So 192 00:09:08.039 --> 00:09:09.879 it says that they worked. I mean we're talking. I 193 00:09:09.919 --> 00:09:12.600 think they're just trying to say, yes, it's in decades. 194 00:09:12.679 --> 00:09:16.679 It says, Meanwhile, the do you pronounce this word troika? 195 00:09:17.600 --> 00:09:17.960 I don't know. 196 00:09:18.080 --> 00:09:21.000 That's like a trio. Why didn't they do? 197 00:09:21.279 --> 00:09:24.080 Yeah, it didn't last long because they're being annoying. So 198 00:09:24.200 --> 00:09:26.480 the new people that we just said and Jason didn't 199 00:09:26.559 --> 00:09:30.000 last long. Deadline understands that Jason are like left after 200 00:09:30.279 --> 00:09:32.639 overseeing The Golden Bachelor, which we all know he did 201 00:09:32.720 --> 00:09:36.320 amazing things with and then he left. I would like 202 00:09:36.399 --> 00:09:38.840 I did try. I actually tried. When I saw his 203 00:09:38.919 --> 00:09:40.840 name on The Golden Bachelor. I sent him an email, 204 00:09:40.840 --> 00:09:45.519 but he didn't respond. It's probably a little busy, okay. 205 00:09:45.519 --> 00:09:49.879 So left days after Deadline revealed that The Bachelorette would 206 00:09:49.919 --> 00:09:54.159 skip its summer cycle. Came another bombshell moment for staffers 207 00:09:54.639 --> 00:09:57.480 on February twelfth, So that was ten days ago that 208 00:09:57.559 --> 00:10:00.080 from the time that we're recording this, staff assigned to 209 00:10:00.120 --> 00:10:03.279 work on The Bachelorette were told they wouldn't be returning 210 00:10:03.320 --> 00:10:06.679 to the franchise. News that cause shockwaves throughout the crew. 211 00:10:06.840 --> 00:10:09.600 It's not clear exactly how many were impacted, but these 212 00:10:09.639 --> 00:10:12.559 shows generally have a crew of north of two hundred people. 213 00:10:12.919 --> 00:10:15.759 Oh yeah, staff that are currently still working on The Bachelor, 214 00:10:15.799 --> 00:10:18.639 including on the specials that follow a season of the 215 00:10:18.679 --> 00:10:23.080 flagship show will continue and some staff may return. 216 00:10:24.600 --> 00:10:27.759 Okay, that's right, and they don't know. It's everybody's in limbo, 217 00:10:27.840 --> 00:10:30.440 which I can't imagine is super scary. 218 00:10:30.519 --> 00:10:33.639 Here's all of the shitty stuff, it says, and they 219 00:10:33.720 --> 00:10:36.799 also were saying that Ken Fuchs, who's been there forever. 220 00:10:37.679 --> 00:10:41.720 They insist Warner Brothers is covering their ass and saying 221 00:10:41.759 --> 00:10:45.519 that Fuchs remains an quote active part of the franchise. 222 00:10:46.039 --> 00:10:48.799 But it says the last two years, but particularly the 223 00:10:48.879 --> 00:10:52.480 last six months, have just been incredibly hostile, toxic, and horrible. 224 00:10:53.240 --> 00:10:56.720 One crew member told Deadline it's a dumpster fire right now, 225 00:10:57.080 --> 00:11:01.639 added another. Some of the departures have been budgetary issues, 226 00:11:02.039 --> 00:11:05.279 but Stafford suggests there's more to this than just money. 227 00:11:05.639 --> 00:11:09.519 Sources have said that showrunners Freeland and Grabner have passive 228 00:11:09.519 --> 00:11:12.000 aggressively criticized the work of people who have produced the 229 00:11:12.000 --> 00:11:16.679 show for years, ignored senior members of the production team. 230 00:11:16.720 --> 00:11:19.360 And here's what people are saying they sit behind their 231 00:11:19.399 --> 00:11:21.879 closed doors, they don't walk around the office, they don't 232 00:11:21.919 --> 00:11:24.000 talk to people when they're on set. They just sit 233 00:11:24.080 --> 00:11:27.000 with each other. They like the opposite of the opposite 234 00:11:27.000 --> 00:11:31.440 of Jason. Jason was like not that guy says, it's bizarre. 235 00:11:31.559 --> 00:11:35.480 I've never seen such horrendous leadership. Another former producer told 236 00:11:35.639 --> 00:11:38.600 Dateline quote, the most surprising thing of all is the 237 00:11:38.679 --> 00:11:42.759 silent toxicity at another crew member. Everyone thought it was 238 00:11:42.840 --> 00:11:44.960 just happening to their department, and it was only a 239 00:11:44.960 --> 00:11:47.159 few months ago when we realized it was happening to 240 00:11:47.159 --> 00:11:49.960 all of us. And basically, what we're going to find 241 00:11:50.000 --> 00:11:53.440 out is that they don't out although it's weird because 242 00:11:53.440 --> 00:11:55.519 it says they don't outright treat people poorly. 243 00:11:56.200 --> 00:11:57.399 They don't scream at people. 244 00:11:57.519 --> 00:11:59.759 It's more that everything they do is secretive and passive 245 00:12:00.080 --> 00:12:03.320 us and they know they're doing it to affect people. 246 00:12:03.919 --> 00:12:06.360 Could this be people being sensitive. I don't think so, 247 00:12:06.519 --> 00:12:12.799 because I've heard other stuff. So I have I know somebody, 248 00:12:12.960 --> 00:12:16.480 you know somebody, a girl that is a works on 249 00:12:16.519 --> 00:12:20.039 the show, and I know a guy and I have 250 00:12:20.440 --> 00:12:25.679 had it confirmed that the non disclosure agreement that everybody 251 00:12:25.720 --> 00:12:29.240 there is afraid for their jobs, for the for their 252 00:12:29.240 --> 00:12:32.559 sanity that they're they sign a non disclosure that is 253 00:12:32.600 --> 00:12:35.200 so thick that they're afraid to talk about. 254 00:12:35.000 --> 00:12:36.080 Their job to anybody. 255 00:12:36.200 --> 00:12:39.320 Oh and yes, that seems to be the case for sure, 256 00:12:39.600 --> 00:12:43.960 And then I would too. People have to genuinely protect themselves, 257 00:12:44.039 --> 00:12:46.399 Like what the fuck's going on over there? And I guess, 258 00:12:46.679 --> 00:12:48.240 I mean, I don't know if that's different than Love 259 00:12:48.320 --> 00:12:51.559 is Blind. I'm sure they have a similar stuff, right, 260 00:12:51.759 --> 00:12:52.360 but like. 261 00:12:52.799 --> 00:12:53.759 Yeah, I don't. 262 00:12:54.000 --> 00:12:57.919 This is this is bad. I mean, this is really 263 00:12:58.000 --> 00:13:00.360 like we should dig into who these people are. I'm 264 00:13:00.399 --> 00:13:02.200 gonna look this. I'm gonna look the lady up on 265 00:13:02.240 --> 00:13:04.960 Instagram as you go on. I'm going to see if 266 00:13:04.960 --> 00:13:06.080 I can find out more about her. 267 00:13:07.639 --> 00:13:10.480 Some One thing that was horrible when I started here 268 00:13:10.480 --> 00:13:12.399 were the hours they used to work us, like one 269 00:13:12.440 --> 00:13:15.519 hundred hours a week, said one source who's worked on 270 00:13:15.559 --> 00:13:18.399 the show for many years. But it's gotten much better. 271 00:13:18.720 --> 00:13:21.080 So they have this article as a bunch of people 272 00:13:21.120 --> 00:13:25.360 that are saying positive things, so we don't know, like, 273 00:13:25.679 --> 00:13:28.279 you know, another crew member said, they have been quote 274 00:13:28.320 --> 00:13:31.799 nothing short of professional, fair and kind. I've never seen 275 00:13:31.840 --> 00:13:36.320 them raise their voice, behave inappropriately or humiliate anyone. Claire 276 00:13:36.320 --> 00:13:39.440 and Bennett have brought real positive change to the work environment. 277 00:13:41.159 --> 00:13:44.840 A third producer said, quote, experience with Bennett Grabner as 278 00:13:44.840 --> 00:13:48.120 a boss has been exceptional. He's always treated me with 279 00:13:48.240 --> 00:13:51.799 respect and kindness. I can say the same regarding Claire Freeland. 280 00:13:53.000 --> 00:13:54.960 I found Claire Freeland, but I don't think this is her. 281 00:13:55.519 --> 00:13:57.720 You don't think she writes children's books as well? 282 00:13:58.440 --> 00:13:58.879 Probably not? 283 00:14:00.320 --> 00:14:07.759 So? No, no, okay, So here's something. So this person 284 00:14:08.080 --> 00:14:11.679 the Jody Baskerville, who was promoted to become the franchise's 285 00:14:11.759 --> 00:14:15.879 first black executive producer in twenty twenty one, left early 286 00:14:15.919 --> 00:14:18.919 in twenty twenty four. She worked on the story side 287 00:14:19.039 --> 00:14:23.159 of the post production division. Baskerville did not respond to 288 00:14:23.240 --> 00:14:26.480 a request for comment. Seven months and two show cycles 289 00:14:26.519 --> 00:14:32.080 after her departure, the studio hired Michael Margolis and Keeley Booth. 290 00:14:32.440 --> 00:14:35.440 Margolis and Booth previously worked on the Canadian version of 291 00:14:35.440 --> 00:14:40.039 Bachelor in Paradise, a show Freeland previously ran. The problem. 292 00:14:40.480 --> 00:14:44.320 Margolis is Freeland's husband, and Booth is an old friend. 293 00:14:44.600 --> 00:14:48.360 Warner Brothers has formal conflict of interest processes in place, 294 00:14:48.440 --> 00:14:52.000 as well as protocol protocols to be followed if hired, 295 00:14:52.240 --> 00:14:55.039 and the company said that a formal process occurred and 296 00:14:55.080 --> 00:14:56.960 the pair do not report to Freeland. 297 00:14:58.399 --> 00:15:01.919 Oh okay, I'm sending you a picture of Claire and 298 00:15:01.960 --> 00:15:05.159 she's exactly what you would imagine. Okay, just get ready 299 00:15:05.200 --> 00:15:09.000 to have your mind blown. Okay, like that is if 300 00:15:09.000 --> 00:15:11.200 that was then, Just the look on her face and 301 00:15:11.240 --> 00:15:13.120 the vibe that's coming off this photo. 302 00:15:13.720 --> 00:15:15.240 Can you imagine every day you're like. 303 00:15:15.200 --> 00:15:17.960 Already so tired, you're working like sixteen hour days, and 304 00:15:17.960 --> 00:15:21.080 you're like, yeah, oh shit, that's exactly who I thought 305 00:15:21.080 --> 00:15:21.440 she'd be. 306 00:15:21.759 --> 00:15:25.440 Yeah, yeah, I'm going to read you. 307 00:15:25.759 --> 00:15:27.679 Well, that's basically the. 308 00:15:27.720 --> 00:15:29.399 Article is just outing these. 309 00:15:29.200 --> 00:15:34.120 Two and this is denying again, like we said, and 310 00:15:34.320 --> 00:15:37.879 Deadline did their due diligence. You know, they've denied the allegations, 311 00:15:37.879 --> 00:15:40.320 and there are people backing up that they're not that bad. 312 00:15:40.399 --> 00:15:43.000 And maybe you're right. Maybe some people just don't like 313 00:15:43.039 --> 00:15:44.919 the change and they're a little different in the way 314 00:15:44.919 --> 00:15:45.679 they run things. 315 00:15:46.240 --> 00:15:49.840 Somebody wrote anonymous comment, I'm gonna read We're gonna get 316 00:15:49.879 --> 00:15:51.919 into some of these comments though, because the comments are 317 00:15:51.919 --> 00:15:53.039 crazier than the article. 318 00:15:53.279 --> 00:15:53.720 Mm hmm. 319 00:15:54.480 --> 00:15:58.360 So somebody wrote, Rob Mills is responsible for Bachelorette not 320 00:15:58.399 --> 00:16:00.759 being on the air this season, not these to bosos, 321 00:16:01.159 --> 00:16:03.600 and might I add Rob Mills is responsible for the 322 00:16:03.639 --> 00:16:08.240 fact that we can't get screeners right right yeah vibe 323 00:16:08.399 --> 00:16:17.919 yeah yeah, uh okaye. Not bullies, just professionals who loved 324 00:16:17.919 --> 00:16:21.200 what they do did to bring amazing, touching, human drama 325 00:16:21.720 --> 00:16:25.399 entertainment to many millions of people and see it ruined 326 00:16:25.399 --> 00:16:27.080 from the top down and not be able to do 327 00:16:27.120 --> 00:16:30.240 anything to stop the fall is soul killing. What you 328 00:16:30.279 --> 00:16:33.639 are reading is a come up and send It's overdue. Okay, 329 00:16:33.679 --> 00:16:36.279 hold on, there's I gotta find some of these comments, 330 00:16:36.279 --> 00:16:37.759 but some of them are on Reddit. 331 00:16:38.360 --> 00:16:42.879 I'm looking on the Deadline comments too, and somebody pointed out, 332 00:16:42.919 --> 00:16:45.039 which is kind of interesting. Are they the same people 333 00:16:45.039 --> 00:16:47.879 who do the casting it's been so bad lately, hard 334 00:16:47.879 --> 00:16:51.320 to watch anymore. We kind of disagree. We'll push back 335 00:16:51.360 --> 00:16:54.960 a little because we do love our grants. Yeah, okay, 336 00:16:55.080 --> 00:16:59.200 here's a comment. This is an anonymous comment. It's from 337 00:16:59.200 --> 00:17:03.639 today at eight am. This is the twenty second. This 338 00:17:03.679 --> 00:17:06.839 is from anonymous. This is incredibly validating. I was so 339 00:17:06.960 --> 00:17:09.640 excited to work on this series, only to find myself 340 00:17:09.680 --> 00:17:13.519 completely sidelined and unsure of my role. Eventually, I was 341 00:17:13.559 --> 00:17:15.640 told I didn't know how to do a job I 342 00:17:15.720 --> 00:17:19.400 had been successfully doing for nearly a decade. Whether intentional 343 00:17:19.519 --> 00:17:21.920 or not, I was on a contech. 344 00:17:22.279 --> 00:17:23.359 I'm looking at the same thing. 345 00:17:23.359 --> 00:17:26.319 I don't know when someone mentioned in this article deliberately 346 00:17:27.119 --> 00:17:29.480 tried to get the star of the series to speak 347 00:17:29.480 --> 00:17:33.599 poorly about me. They then use that conversation as leverage 348 00:17:33.599 --> 00:17:37.480 to cut my contract contract early, only to dismiss it 349 00:17:37.559 --> 00:17:42.000 with a condescending quote, TV is hard. When I left, 350 00:17:42.200 --> 00:17:45.039 It's the most patronizing thing anyone's ever said to me. 351 00:17:45.279 --> 00:17:48.119 I'll never forget it. I'm genuinely thrilled to see these 352 00:17:48.160 --> 00:17:49.759 people finally being exposed. 353 00:17:49.960 --> 00:17:53.359 I believe this. I believe now that you guys. 354 00:17:53.880 --> 00:17:57.440 Was this in Was this the article? I know, but 355 00:17:57.519 --> 00:17:59.519 I'm trying to think if this was in the article. 356 00:18:00.039 --> 00:18:06.000 There was something where, Oh, they said that Gary Golden Bachelor, 357 00:18:06.039 --> 00:18:09.000 Gary told the producer that he did not want to 358 00:18:09.000 --> 00:18:11.799 marry Teresa and they forced him. 359 00:18:12.599 --> 00:18:14.960 I believe it. That was a that was a. 360 00:18:14.920 --> 00:18:18.240 Bombshell in there said that they threatened to sue him 361 00:18:18.319 --> 00:18:18.759 or something. 362 00:18:19.480 --> 00:18:21.960 Oh, he didn't do it, they made him do it. 363 00:18:23.519 --> 00:18:24.200 I believe it. 364 00:18:24.400 --> 00:18:26.319 Yeah, I believe it, And that's why everybody was so 365 00:18:26.440 --> 00:18:29.359 sort of tight lipped. Nobody really turned on anyone, you 366 00:18:29.400 --> 00:18:32.039 know what I mean. Like Teresa didn't really turn She's like, oh, well, 367 00:18:32.119 --> 00:18:33.839 we just want to live in different places. 368 00:18:34.160 --> 00:18:36.079 Whatever. He didn't turn out to be because of. 369 00:18:36.039 --> 00:18:39.599 These fucking non disclosure they have. They they are worried. 370 00:18:39.359 --> 00:18:40.279 About getting sued. 371 00:18:41.200 --> 00:18:44.720 Okay, this person says, get real difficult decisions in a 372 00:18:44.759 --> 00:18:48.160 time of dwindling ratings. As you say it, sure was 373 00:18:48.200 --> 00:18:51.400 heroic of Claire to hire her husband and best friend 374 00:18:51.400 --> 00:18:54.799 as executive producers. Stop looking boot and have some respect 375 00:18:54.839 --> 00:18:56.599 for the people who actually earn their spot. 376 00:18:58.240 --> 00:19:02.079 Okay, damn, it's okay. Here here's somebody who says. Yeah. 377 00:19:02.839 --> 00:19:05.079 I was there for the meeting where Bennett said we 378 00:19:05.079 --> 00:19:07.880 are lucky to be working, as he was referencing a 379 00:19:07.960 --> 00:19:10.400 story in the trades about the state of our industry. 380 00:19:11.200 --> 00:19:14.079 Bennett also went on to say we're a wonderful crew 381 00:19:14.200 --> 00:19:16.440 and that he wanted the franchise to continue so that 382 00:19:16.480 --> 00:19:19.279 we can all still work and make great TV together. 383 00:19:20.200 --> 00:19:23.079 We also wore name tags. I have been with the 384 00:19:23.119 --> 00:19:25.400 show fourteen years and I still don't know eighty percent 385 00:19:25.440 --> 00:19:28.599 of the names I found that helpful. Nicole Woods had 386 00:19:28.599 --> 00:19:30.880 been there since the beginning and also didn't know most 387 00:19:30.920 --> 00:19:34.640 of the crew's names. She also was widely disliked because 388 00:19:34.640 --> 00:19:38.559 of her signature Karen behavior and energy, often injecting herself 389 00:19:38.599 --> 00:19:41.920 into conversations that didn't involve her. People learned how to 390 00:19:41.920 --> 00:19:45.319 tolerate her by clearing an area whenever she entered a room. 391 00:19:45.720 --> 00:19:47.519 Wait, what was her name again? That's not clear. Now 392 00:19:47.519 --> 00:19:50.240 it's Nicole Woods. I think I know her too. Let 393 00:19:50.319 --> 00:19:50.960 me look this up. 394 00:19:51.000 --> 00:19:55.839 Okay, go on, uh okay, this person writes back to 395 00:19:55.920 --> 00:20:00.240 that person Anon not married to Claire. Since if you 396 00:20:00.240 --> 00:20:02.920 have complained about the fact checking, I'll jump in here. 397 00:20:03.279 --> 00:20:06.640 Bennett never went on to say quote, we're a wonderful crew, 398 00:20:06.759 --> 00:20:08.960 and that he wanted the franchise to continue so that 399 00:20:09.000 --> 00:20:11.279 we can all still work and make great TV together. 400 00:20:11.720 --> 00:20:13.759 He said we should be grateful to have work at all. 401 00:20:14.240 --> 00:20:18.359