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<v Speaker 1>It's Nightside with Dan ray One bonding.

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<v Speaker 2>As is my want as the host of Nightside, I

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<v Speaker 2>can change my mind. And I was going to flip

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<v Speaker 2>from this story to the Teamster's non endorsement, and we

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<v Speaker 2>will get to that story later on today. That's a big,

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<v Speaker 2>big political story. I will explain that. Okay, the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that the Teamsters, for the first time since nineteen ninety

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<v Speaker 2>six have not endorsed the Democratic presidential candidate. We'll get

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<v Speaker 2>to that, I promise, before I get to my callers

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<v Speaker 2>who are on the line and have held through the news,

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<v Speaker 2>they will have priority if you'd like to join the conversation.

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<v Speaker 2>You know the numbers. We're talking about. The death, the

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<v Speaker 2>seemingly unnecessary, I shouldn't say, the seemingly the unnecessary death

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<v Speaker 2>of a Massachusetts State Police trooper who while he was

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<v Speaker 2>in training and New Braintree at their training facility, Enrique

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<v Speaker 2>Delgado Garcia, suffered life ending injuries on Thursday afternoon. Now

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<v Speaker 2>I want to know how could this happen in a

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<v Speaker 2>controlled circumstance. This is not a police officer who out

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<v Speaker 2>on the road is hit by a car. There's not

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<v Speaker 2>a police officer who's shot by someone. This is a

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<v Speaker 2>police officer's a controlled setting, and who dies. Stuff is

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<v Speaker 2>a broken neck. There have been some reports of our

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<v Speaker 2>fraction skull. Just leave it at broken neck and missing

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<v Speaker 2>several teeth. This is not one punch that knocked him

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<v Speaker 2>out this because look that's I know that's not possible. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not speculating there, but I want to know what

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<v Speaker 2>happened as a taxpayer, as a citizen of Massachusetts. Governor

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<v Speaker 2>Healy has said, matter of fact, she was quoted. I

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<v Speaker 2>think it was earlier this week, cut twenty seven around this,

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<v Speaker 2>Governor more Healey condolences for the death and she wants

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<v Speaker 2>to find out what happened. I do too, Governor, and

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<v Speaker 2>I want to find out. Like yesterday, this is twenty seven,

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<v Speaker 2>cut twenty my.

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<v Speaker 3>Heart goes out to Enrique and his family and all

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<v Speaker 3>those two who witnessed his death. I mean, it happened

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<v Speaker 3>at the academy, and there were a number of people

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<v Speaker 3>there who witnessed that, and just a really hard situation

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<v Speaker 3>and horrible and not something that you ever ever want

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<v Speaker 3>to see.

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<v Speaker 4>As governor and.

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<v Speaker 3>Committed to making sure that we have a full understanding

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<v Speaker 3>of what exactly happened and that we clearly communicate with

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<v Speaker 3>the public on that.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, the Worcester County District Attorney Joseph Early has said that,

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<v Speaker 2>as far as he's concerned his office, Enrique used to

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<v Speaker 2>work there as a victim's advocate, but he wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>become a state police officer. His office is conflicted, which

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<v Speaker 2>is perfectly understandable. I respect Joe Early's decision, but he said,

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<v Speaker 2>not only should his office not investigated, but because there

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<v Speaker 2>are state police officers assigned to every DA's office in Massachusetts,

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<v Speaker 2>and we're the only state, the only state who only

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<v Speaker 2>has state police officers in the District Attorney's office. Interesting,

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<v Speaker 2>found out that fact today. Found out that fact today. Interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know why we're the only one, but we're

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<v Speaker 2>the only one, so Early said. Credit to him. There

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<v Speaker 2>should be an independent investigation. I'm suggesting at Davis former

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<v Speaker 2>police commissioner Willie Gross in Boston, any of either Bill

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<v Speaker 2>Evans or Paul Evans who are police commissioners. Kathy O'Toole,

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<v Speaker 2>who was a Bostonian and who headed the MBTA Police

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<v Speaker 2>worked in the city of Boston as a superintendent, was

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<v Speaker 2>the head of the Irish police force, the GARDA in

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<v Speaker 2>two thousand and eight in that range, two thousand and seven,

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<v Speaker 2>two thousand and eight, no strike that my mistake on

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<v Speaker 2>that were like two thousand eleven, twenty ten, twenty eleven

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<v Speaker 2>in that timeframe. I met her. I saw her when

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<v Speaker 2>I was in Dublin at that time. She was the

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<v Speaker 2>top cop nationwide. Because they have a small police force.

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<v Speaker 2>It's they don't have Dublin City Police, they don't have

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<v Speaker 2>Cork Galway City. They have there what they call the Garter.

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<v Speaker 2>So Joe Earley said it should be outside independent investigator.

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<v Speaker 2>That's fine, but I also think there are elements and

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<v Speaker 2>facts that should be put on the record as soon

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<v Speaker 2>as possible because if what happens is we forget, we forget.

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<v Speaker 2>This is Joe Earley talking about this young man who

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<v Speaker 2>who lost his life while under the supervision. Just wrong,

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<v Speaker 2>just wrong, Enriquie Delgado Garcia. If it was a one

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<v Speaker 2>punch and he went down and he had a concussion,

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<v Speaker 2>that's a different story. This kid had a broken neck

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<v Speaker 2>according to news reports that have been circulated and quoted

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<v Speaker 2>in the Boston Globe, and several missing teeth. That doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>make sense. This is da early earlier this past weekend,

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<v Speaker 2>cut twenty eight.

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<v Speaker 5>Reyque Delgado Gascia was loved by everyone in our office.

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<v Speaker 5>He's a dedicated victim witness advocate who joined our office

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<v Speaker 5>and was with us for about a year and a

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<v Speaker 5>half before he left our office and able to fulfill

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<v Speaker 5>the life long dream of joining the Massachusetts State Police.

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<v Speaker 5>This is a hot breaking and tragic loss, and because

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<v Speaker 5>of this close relationship, someone else will be handling this matter.

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<v Speaker 5>There's no way this office can handle this. Everyone loved Enrique.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm not looking to give it to another DA's office.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't think that would be fair to my fellow DA's.

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<v Speaker 6>They all have State Police detective units, they all have

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<v Speaker 6>a chain of command. I'm looking for someone who can

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<v Speaker 6>look at this with an independent view, who doesn't have

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<v Speaker 6>a stake.

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<v Speaker 7>And it's outcome.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, let's get back to the call. It's going to

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<v Speaker 2>go to Lawrence in West Roxbury. Lawnce, I held you

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<v Speaker 2>over here. I'd like to accommodate you and a few

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<v Speaker 2>other callers. Go ahead, larns Oh.

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<v Speaker 8>I've spent thirty years in the military and I've been

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<v Speaker 8>in several of the defensive training exercises very much like

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<v Speaker 8>the one they described. Mister one of two things I

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<v Speaker 8>want to hear and the information that you're thinking. The

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<v Speaker 8>first thing is I wanted to know why the person

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<v Speaker 8>supervisor didn't stop within three seconds, because you had to

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<v Speaker 8>know he didn't know how to defend himself. Second is

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<v Speaker 8>that if the supervision was absent, I wanted to know

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<v Speaker 8>why it was absent. Have a nice night.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, lards, are you quicker to the point? And I

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<v Speaker 2>agree with you? Those are some simple facts. We don't

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<v Speaker 2>necessarily need conclusions. But I want to know what the

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<v Speaker 2>extent of his injuries were the autops he has been done.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the point you make is very important. Was

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<v Speaker 2>the person who was supposed to be supervising this bout

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<v Speaker 2>if it indeed was about no. I just wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>be confirmed that it was a boxing match inside a ring,

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<v Speaker 2>that it wasn't a separate altercation or something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>We need to know this, Okay, the public needs to

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<v Speaker 2>know this. He died unnecessarily. That's why we need to

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<v Speaker 2>know it.

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<v Speaker 8>Absolutely.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a nice night, you too, large, appreciate you call.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me get one more in here before the break.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me go to Tony in Los Angeles. Tony, You're

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<v Speaker 2>next time Nights I go right.

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<v Speaker 7>Ahead, Dan, how are you well?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a little wound up about this one.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 7>I just want to say, this would not happen in

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<v Speaker 7>Los Angeles, California. Okay, this nonsense. They're keeping the truth

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<v Speaker 7>from us. Okay, this should not be happening. This should

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<v Speaker 7>not happen ever, much less now and this week and

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<v Speaker 7>how many days it's been sinton Reque passed away. This

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<v Speaker 7>is not right, Dan, this is crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, thank you for joining me on this, because what

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<v Speaker 2>happens is we move on. We have they the folks

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<v Speaker 2>in authority, understand that that we as a public have

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<v Speaker 2>a short attention span and unless I visit. We talked

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<v Speaker 2>about this Monday night, and I've talked about it again tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>I will continue to talk about it. I want to

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<v Speaker 2>know what happened, and there are some facts that they

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<v Speaker 2>can share with us. The investigation has to go a

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<v Speaker 2>lot deeper than that. They have to investigate. Was there

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<v Speaker 2>a grudge between the fellow that was that assuming that

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<v Speaker 2>they're telling us the truth, you know, which is always

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<v Speaker 2>as this is an assumption here, okay, that that that

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<v Speaker 2>it was a boxing match. It wasn't like a fight

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<v Speaker 2>that occurred separately tell us what happened that you know

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<v Speaker 2>of which is indisputable. They were witnesses there. Uh, and

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<v Speaker 2>tell us what the autopsy said. What what did he

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<v Speaker 2>die of? What was injuries? Broken neck and losing a

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<v Speaker 2>bunch of teeth, He got headgear, you got a muffy

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<v Speaker 2>got in. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 7>Yes, the fact is taking so many days dan is

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<v Speaker 7>highly irreputable. It doesn't make any does not make any sense.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And what it does do is it it allows

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<v Speaker 2>people to speculate. And I'm not speculating. I'm just asking

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<v Speaker 2>for information, okay, because I don't want people speculating. I

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<v Speaker 2>want the state police to be responsible. If there was

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<v Speaker 2>a mistake made and if, for example, he was put

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<v Speaker 2>in with someone who was far superior to his capabilities,

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<v Speaker 2>and if the supervisor was distracted and whatever, you know

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<v Speaker 2>that can happen, and in a matter of thirty seconds

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<v Speaker 2>he suffered life ending injuries. I want to talk. I

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<v Speaker 2>want the investigators to talk to the person who was

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<v Speaker 2>fighting him and say, didn't you realize this guy was

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<v Speaker 2>in trouble? I mean, what do you think this was

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<v Speaker 2>the Olympic gold medal that you were going for. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>you got to you gotta deal with everybody at all.

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<v Speaker 2>You got to You've got to deal directly, simple as that.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, we've got to find out now, Dan. We can't

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<v Speaker 7>wait two more weeks or three more days. We have

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<v Speaker 7>to know by tomorrow. Wouldn't you think.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm with you? Tony Well said, thank you so much

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<v Speaker 2>for you, Thank.

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<v Speaker 7>You Dan, great show, thank.

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<v Speaker 2>You, thank you, bank you very much. I'm heartened by

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<v Speaker 2>the number of people who have taken the time to call.

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<v Speaker 2>I have Ramon and Lemonster coming up, Susan and Salem,

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<v Speaker 2>and I got room for you at six one, seven thirty.

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<v Speaker 2>I will go on this as long as you want, okay.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you have a police background and you want

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<v Speaker 2>to call in and defend the fact that the state

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<v Speaker 2>police and the Commota Massachusetts has released little information, that's fine.

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<v Speaker 2>But the fact that little information has been released enough

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<v Speaker 2>has been released to know that something bad happened here.

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<v Speaker 2>This wasn't this man suffering a major heart attack at

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<v Speaker 2>the age of twenty five. Okay, So let's get the answers,

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<v Speaker 2>and let's get them sooner rather than later. You then

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<v Speaker 2>do the investigation. You can do an investigation sit six

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<v Speaker 2>months from now, but I want to know the basic

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<v Speaker 2>facts and I think the public has a right to

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<v Speaker 2>know the basic facts. We'll take a break. We will

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<v Speaker 2>get later on, by the way, tomorrow night. At this

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<v Speaker 2>time we will have back, by popular demand, Larry and

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<v Speaker 2>Scott Rubinstein. They are the WZ car guys, and they'll

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<v Speaker 2>answer all your questions about any car that you're thinking

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<v Speaker 2>of buying, any car you're thinking of selling, or what

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<v Speaker 2>you need to do to get your car ready for

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<v Speaker 2>the winter driving season, which is going to be upon

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<v Speaker 2>us more quickly than we realize, particularly after this weekend.

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<v Speaker 2>Coming back on Nightside, feel free to join the conversation.

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<v Speaker 2>My name is Dan Ray. We'll be right back.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, back to Dan Ray live from the window World

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<v Speaker 1>night Side Studios. I'm WBZ News Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, let's keep rolling here. We're going to go

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<v Speaker 2>next to Ramone and Lemonster. Ramone, Welcome to Nightside. How

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<v Speaker 2>are you sir?

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<v Speaker 9>Hello?

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<v Speaker 2>Hi Ramone? Dan.

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<v Speaker 10>Yes, the very difficult trying to get into your through

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<v Speaker 10>your station that past uh a few days, everybody just

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<v Speaker 10>been like there, uh, well some extense.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm happier. I'm happier here, but I'm also happy. The

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<v Speaker 2>phone lines are busy. Remote go right ahead, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 10>Yeah, you got to put it, like an extra four

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<v Speaker 10>hours just for college. I you know, this is just

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<v Speaker 10>so unreal. What has happened? Yeah, and it seems to

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<v Speaker 10>me when I saw the press conference that missed the

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<v Speaker 10>Joe Early didn't want nothing to do with it. Not

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<v Speaker 10>because of the conflict of interest, but uh, it seems

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<v Speaker 10>to me like he didn't want to step on anybody's toes.

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<v Speaker 2>Especially I would disagree with it. And I'll tell you why.

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<v Speaker 2>It seems. You know, Enrique worked in that office and

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<v Speaker 2>as a victim's advocate. And I got a sense from

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<v Speaker 2>listening to Joe Early, and I should have had Joe

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<v Speaker 2>Early come on tonight. I got a sense that he

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<v Speaker 2>really cared for this man. How could you not? I

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<v Speaker 2>mean to think that somebody goes to become a state

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<v Speaker 2>police officer and dies, not on the job, but while

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<v Speaker 2>being trained to become a state police officer, that's you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, we would we would feel more badly. Let

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<v Speaker 2>me just one one second, Ramonent, I want you to

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<v Speaker 2>respond to this. If you or I had a dog

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<v Speaker 2>and we sent the dog away for a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>weeks to be trained, and you know, and and and learn,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, how to sit and lie down and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>all of that sort of stuff. And after a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of weeks you went to pick him up and they said,

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<v Speaker 2>oh no, he died a couple of days ago. He said,

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<v Speaker 2>he died. What are you talking about, you know, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>this is unacceptable to me. Go ahead, I interrupted you.

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<v Speaker 10>Yes, yes, And that has happened with the dog trainer.

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<v Speaker 10>I've heard I've heard of that before. Okay, then we

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<v Speaker 10>go to number two. I mean, like I said, where

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<v Speaker 10>was the supervision? And this is not the first time.

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<v Speaker 10>Way back I heard about in the in the Coast Guard,

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<v Speaker 10>there were similar type of things going on, like some

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<v Speaker 10>type of hate and and so forth. And it seems

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<v Speaker 10>like some of the old habits from the old timers

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<v Speaker 10>they used to run the State Police is still running

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<v Speaker 10>down the ranks. I mean, it seems like they don't

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<v Speaker 10>want something to come out.

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<v Speaker 8>The next thing is it.

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<v Speaker 10>Was probably I would say this thing for the Caucasian guy.

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<v Speaker 10>You and believe it or not, believe it or not.

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<v Speaker 10>The way that things are today, I mean, wherever there,

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<v Speaker 10>wherever you go, everybody has their own clique, you know,

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<v Speaker 10>whether if it's in the State Police, whether if it's

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<v Speaker 10>in the Maurice whether it's in the army. I mean this,

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<v Speaker 10>this entities are not checking any background checks for you know,

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<v Speaker 10>any type or not, not gangs, but listen, KKK is

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<v Speaker 10>stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think is I would think, I would hope

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<v Speaker 2>ramon that if somebody applied to be in the state

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<v Speaker 2>police in Massachusetts, uh, that they would do a background check,

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<v Speaker 2>and if that individual was in some wackle organization like

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<v Speaker 2>the KKK or the Proud Boys or something like that,

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<v Speaker 2>they would just say, thanks very much, but we're not interested.

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<v Speaker 10>I mean, it's you know, they through you know, through

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<v Speaker 10>the cracks. I mean, but look if.

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<v Speaker 2>This guy, let's assume hypothetically that somehow this guy was

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<v Speaker 2>was I mean, this something happened to this kid, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>and there were witnesses to it. This didn't happen at

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<v Speaker 2>midnight as a fight in the barracks. This happened in

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<v Speaker 2>the afternoon, supposedly in a training exercise in a boxing ring. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>let's get all of it out that we know for now,

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<v Speaker 2>the undisputed facts, Okay, facts that can that cannot in

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<v Speaker 2>any way perform be proven to be incorrect, and then

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<v Speaker 2>we start from there. Then you conduct your full investigation

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<v Speaker 2>and you find out was this someone who had a

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<v Speaker 2>grudge against him all of this? How did this happen?

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I want to know. And the longer we

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<v Speaker 2>wait to get the effect, we don't know. If we're

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<v Speaker 2>told it was in the boxing ring, but I want

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<v Speaker 2>to see someone from official them say that on camera

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<v Speaker 2>so we have a record of it, so they can't

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<v Speaker 2>turn around six months from now and say, well, it

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<v Speaker 2>really wasn't in the boxing ring because he had gone

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<v Speaker 2>into the men's room and the floor was a little

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<v Speaker 2>slippery and he fell down and he broke his neck

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<v Speaker 2>and he hit his face on the sync going down,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's how we's That's the sort of revisionist story

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<v Speaker 2>that I don't want to be seeing three months, six

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<v Speaker 2>months from them. That's all I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 10>Correct, correct, I mean, but even professional boxers don't get

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<v Speaker 10>this kind of injuries, even on the octagon that they

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<v Speaker 10>don't even they only use them little tiny gloves that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, these are supposed these are supposed to the oversized gloves.

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<v Speaker 2>Because they're oversized. It's it's almost more like a pillow

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<v Speaker 2>fight than it is a boxing match because the force

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<v Speaker 2>is it's diminished. It's not as if you're being hit

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<v Speaker 2>by someone's fist. You're being hit by almost a fist

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<v Speaker 2>wrapped in a big pillow.

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<v Speaker 10>Also seems like they might have been maybe some type

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<v Speaker 10>of gambling going on.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, I've never heard that. What do you

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<v Speaker 2>base that on? Ramon?

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<v Speaker 10>But for four years I've been to your program, and

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<v Speaker 10>what intrigued me about your program is that whenever I

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<v Speaker 10>wanted to hear something I've seen or anything, people will

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<v Speaker 10>call and they will discuss it with you, or they

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<v Speaker 10>will say it through the phone line, but they wouldn't

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<v Speaker 10>say to somebody like out on the street or face

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<v Speaker 10>to face. As time has gone by that we have

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<v Speaker 10>got in this president, now it's like, I mean, I've

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<v Speaker 10>been like every other week, I mean, I call it.

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<v Speaker 10>I've been called derogatory names, and it's like these people

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<v Speaker 10>don't even care. They don't care that they've seen that,

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<v Speaker 10>they that they're being racist against you. But you don't.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't hear any of that talk on this show,

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<v Speaker 2>at least not what I'm running.

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<v Speaker 10>No no, no, no, no, no.

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<v Speaker 7>Not not that.

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<v Speaker 10>But it's stuff that people wouldn't say, you know, they

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<v Speaker 10>would come in and discuss it in there with you.

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<v Speaker 10>I'm not necessarily saying that about racist slurts or anything

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<v Speaker 10>like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's fine because I know you don't.

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<v Speaker 10>I know you don't stand for that. But you know

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<v Speaker 10>what I mean, what I'm saying is things that people

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<v Speaker 10>wouldn't you know, tell somebody out on the street or

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<v Speaker 10>anything like that. Nowadays, it's like people don't care. They

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<v Speaker 10>don't care, you know, and you know how it is.

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<v Speaker 10>I mean when you especially Latino, you got a guy

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<v Speaker 10>that's saying, oh, they are racist, they all this, they

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<v Speaker 10>all that.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, what, well, here's the problem you and I.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm up on a break for news and we're kind

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<v Speaker 2>of getting away from the subject that he had, So Ramon,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna let you run keep calling a program. Thank you, sir,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you, thank you very much. Okay, we got full lines.

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<v Speaker 2>The only line that's open right now is the one

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<v Speaker 2>Vermon left, which is six, one, seven, nine, three thirty.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we'll carry this till eleven. I will change

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<v Speaker 2>at eleven because I have publicized we're going to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about the Teamsters Union's non endorsement today. As I mentioned

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<v Speaker 2>tomorrow night, at this time, we will have Larry and

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<v Speaker 2>Scott the WBC car guys Larry and Scott Rubinstein from

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<v Speaker 2>ten to midnight tomorrow night. So get your car your

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<v Speaker 2>car questions lined up back on Night's Side right after

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<v Speaker 2>the news at the bottom of the hour.

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<v Speaker 1>The Night Side thought with Dan Ray on WBZ Boston's

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<v Speaker 1>news radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's keep rolling here, going to go to Susan in Salem, Massachusetts. Susan,

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<v Speaker 2>appreciate you taking the time to call your thoughts on

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<v Speaker 2>the death of this young Massachusettstate Police trainee, Enrique del

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<v Speaker 2>Gatto Garcia.

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<v Speaker 10>Yet I'm just wondering, give me your favorite, Susan.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to clean up your line. Rob's going to

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<v Speaker 2>clean up your line for you here. It was tough

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<v Speaker 2>to hear. Okay, don't lose er. We'll get Susan back here,

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<v Speaker 2>I promise. Let me go next to Lucas in Maryland.

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<v Speaker 2>Lucas next on NIGHTSID right ahead.

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<v Speaker 4>Hey, thanks for taking my call. This is the second

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<v Speaker 4>time I got to call in. I listened to you

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<v Speaker 4>all the time on my way into work.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, thank you, Lucas, appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 4>So what I used to do was I was in

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<v Speaker 4>correction and stuff like that, and I used to teach

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<v Speaker 4>at the academy nice to teach, you know, strike wrestling

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<v Speaker 4>moves and all that kind of stuff. So you're right

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<v Speaker 4>when you said we used bigger gloves, used twelve hos gloves.

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<v Speaker 4>This is totally on the instructors. Before people got into

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<v Speaker 4>the ring, you you would go through like about like

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<v Speaker 4>a week and a half or two weeks where they

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<v Speaker 4>were hitting bags and you could see who could really

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<v Speaker 4>throw punches and not throw punches. So then it was

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<v Speaker 4>your responsibility to put people that were like equally effective

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<v Speaker 4>in the ring together. You're not going to put somebody

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<v Speaker 4>in the ring with somebody that so much better than

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<v Speaker 4>the other person, right, And then you're not distracted, there's

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<v Speaker 4>no way. That's the most important thing that's going on

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<v Speaker 4>right now is them in the ring, and if someone

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<v Speaker 4>gets in trouble, you're jumping in immediately. So the instructor

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<v Speaker 4>is just completely because what you're trying to do is

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<v Speaker 4>you're trying to teach this person that they never have

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<v Speaker 4>been punched in the face before in their lives or

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<v Speaker 4>never throw a punch. You're trying to get them to

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<v Speaker 4>know how to defend themselves and being in a proper thing.

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<v Speaker 4>So that's what you're teaching the other people that they

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<v Speaker 4>may have been in the military, they made no moves,

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<v Speaker 4>they may have prior training. You're not teaching them to

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<v Speaker 4>be prize fighters, you know what I mean. So this

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<v Speaker 4>is totally on the instructor, unless, like what you're saying,

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<v Speaker 4>it happened like in the bathroom, or there was a

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<v Speaker 4>grudge or something going on. But if it was in

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<v Speaker 4>the ring.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I gotta watch that, watch that. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Well here's my point, and I think you will agree

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<v Speaker 2>with me. This happened last Thursday afternoon. Okay, you got

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<v Speaker 2>to get to people quickly because the memories are fresh.

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<v Speaker 2>People's memories fade over time, correct and find out, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>what did you see? And that's part of the investigation.

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<v Speaker 2>But once you get to the point where there are

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<v Speaker 2>facts that you can share with the public and you

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<v Speaker 2>can say, look, we're not even sure. We're told it

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<v Speaker 2>was an exercise, a defensive training exercise, that could be

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of things. And then the news is reporting

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<v Speaker 2>is boxing inside a ring. But it would be nice

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<v Speaker 2>if the state police would, you know, just that has

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<v Speaker 2>to be an indisputable fact, if they would if this,

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<v Speaker 2>if this boxing was inside a ring, that's a fact.

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<v Speaker 2>It's as simple as that. In terms of with the

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<v Speaker 2>with the videotapes being done at.

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<v Speaker 4>The time, I don't know, well, usually usually would so

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<v Speaker 4>in Maryland, if they're in the boxing ring and stuff

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<v Speaker 4>like that, we're videotapement, right.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just what I'm saying is that that could be

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<v Speaker 2>part of the I'm not asking to see the videotape.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm saying, but let's get it on the record so

424
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<v Speaker 2>that they're not going to say, uh, six months from now, oh,

425
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<v Speaker 2>we thought the video but the recorder wasn't working or something.

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<v Speaker 2>I just get as many facts that are indisputable on

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<v Speaker 2>the record. They don't have to be facts that lead

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<v Speaker 2>you to a conclusion of culpability or liability. But get

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<v Speaker 2>stuff on the record because I don't want to or something. Well,

430
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<v Speaker 2>he was in the ring, but then he thought he

431
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<v Speaker 2>cut his lip, so we told him to go to

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<v Speaker 2>the men's room and put a little gauze on his lip.

433
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<v Speaker 2>And guess what. When he went into men's room, he

434
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<v Speaker 2>slipped and fell and he hit his his teeth hit

435
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<v Speaker 2>the sink and he lost about eight teeth. And that's

436
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<v Speaker 2>when we think his neck broke. It's like, wait a second,

437
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<v Speaker 2>you know, I don't he told that six months from now,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, And I love you. I love you Dan because

440
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<v Speaker 4>you let people talk. And I mean, it doesn't sound good.

441
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<v Speaker 4>It just doesn't like it. It's like there was a

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<v Speaker 4>failure to train there. It just really does. I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>it shouldn't happen in training like that.

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<v Speaker 7>It just shouldn't.

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<v Speaker 2>How long did you work and I'm not doing I'm

446
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<v Speaker 2>not sure if you said you were with the Maryland

447
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<v Speaker 2>State Police or with one of the local agencies. How

448
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<v Speaker 2>long did you work.

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<v Speaker 4>I I've been in law enforcement for a about like

450
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<v Speaker 4>twenty six years, and then I was in an academy

451
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<v Speaker 4>for like, you know, like eight to ten years. And

452
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<v Speaker 4>I thought, so, it just sounds like something that, you

453
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<v Speaker 4>know what I mean, Like it like it's it just

454
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<v Speaker 4>doesn't sound good. It just doesn't sound kosher. You're you

455
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<v Speaker 4>go so over the top to make sure people don't

456
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<v Speaker 4>get hurt, Like I mean, like that's the first thing

457
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<v Speaker 4>that you're supervisors, Like they pull you out and they

458
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<v Speaker 4>talk to you and they're like, nobody needs to get hurt,

459
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<v Speaker 4>you know what I mean, Like if.

460
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<v Speaker 2>Somebody, if somebody all of them thought that they were

461
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<v Speaker 2>going to impress the rest of their buddies and they

462
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<v Speaker 2>were going to go in there and give it then

463
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<v Speaker 2>and whoop this guy. You shop the thing right away.

464
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<v Speaker 2>You say, hold on here. You know you're not here

465
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<v Speaker 2>to You're not here to win the heavyweight championship of

466
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<v Speaker 2>the world. Take the gloves off and we'll we'll talk

467
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<v Speaker 2>to you afterwards. I mean, you gotta you.

468
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<v Speaker 10>Don't want to.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't want somebody as a police officer, who if

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<v Speaker 2>they kind of control themselves and they're going to take

471
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<v Speaker 2>advantage of some weaker opponent. That's not what it's all about.

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<v Speaker 4>You're exactly right. You're just exactly right. So there there

473
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<v Speaker 4>just sounds unless something And like you said, I mean,

474
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<v Speaker 4>we don't know the whole story, you know, I mean,

475
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<v Speaker 4>it's not transparent it's going on, but it just sounds

476
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<v Speaker 4>really really bad.

477
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<v Speaker 2>I mean, and I just want them.

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<v Speaker 4>I wouldn't let that happen.

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<v Speaker 2>It just it just not you sound you know, convince you.

480
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<v Speaker 2>But we just need we need transparency, and we need

481
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<v Speaker 2>we need the facts that are indisputable. We don't need conclusions,

482
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<v Speaker 2>we don't need the results of the investigation. Let the

483
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<v Speaker 2>investigation take a month or however long it is, but

484
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<v Speaker 2>we need facts that are indisputable. Will these injuries suffered

485
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<v Speaker 2>in a ring? Ver they outside of the ring, because

486
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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to be told off the record for

487
00:26:49.200 --> 00:26:50.880
<v Speaker 2>three weeks it was in the ring and then find

488
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<v Speaker 2>out no, he slipped into men's room. Wait a second,

489
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<v Speaker 2>hold it. You know that's what my fear is here. Lucas,

490
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<v Speaker 2>love your call to help you call more often and

491
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<v Speaker 2>thank you for your nervous.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, thanks, appreciate, Jackie Lucas, good night.

493
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<v Speaker 2>I'll get it one more in here? Why not? We

494
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<v Speaker 2>can get one more in. We got Peggy in South Boston. Hey, Peggy,

495
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<v Speaker 2>welcome back. How are you.

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<v Speaker 9>Hello?

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<v Speaker 2>Hi Peggy welcome? Who are you.

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<v Speaker 9>About that young man I tried. I think it was

499
00:27:21.759 --> 00:27:26.079
<v Speaker 9>terrible a bondom of what he went through, and I

500
00:27:26.240 --> 00:27:29.960
<v Speaker 9>feel this way, whoever did that to him should be

501
00:27:30.039 --> 00:27:34.319
<v Speaker 9>tragged the manslaughter on a stick of ahead. I mean

502
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<v Speaker 9>he was no match because of their weight and everything else.

503
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<v Speaker 9>Want to box and things my bobom and stuff. You

504
00:27:43.160 --> 00:27:45.480
<v Speaker 9>have to have the same weight as the other man.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I don't think we know enough to conclude

506
00:27:50.720 --> 00:27:54.039
<v Speaker 2>that there's a man this is a manslaughter situation. Let's

507
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<v Speaker 2>get the facts. But I don't I want to get

508
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<v Speaker 2>some of the indisputable facts. I'd love to know how

509
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<v Speaker 2>big was his opponent with a similar size or was

510
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<v Speaker 2>the other guy six foot four and this guy was

511
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<v Speaker 2>five foot seven? Yeah, that's nice, that's the match. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 9>Oh, I just think you was a lieutenant on the

513
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<v Speaker 9>state Police World War two and Solomon Island.

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<v Speaker 2>We're having a little trouble with you. Yeah, I'm gonna

515
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<v Speaker 2>let you go here, Peggy. Your phone's dropping out on

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<v Speaker 2>a suit.

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<v Speaker 9>You got to get at all right, you have my

518
00:28:33.240 --> 00:28:36.680
<v Speaker 9>sentiments and God, brother young man, I felt so bad

519
00:28:36.839 --> 00:28:37.880
<v Speaker 9>and for his talent.

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<v Speaker 2>I agree with you. I agree with you. Thanks, Peggy,

521
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<v Speaker 2>appreciate the call. By the way, if Susan and Salem

522
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<v Speaker 2>can get to a better line, Susan, if you call back,

523
00:28:47.039 --> 00:28:49.799
<v Speaker 2>I'll bump you to that the line. I always am

524
00:28:49.799 --> 00:28:52.519
<v Speaker 2>disappointed when someone has held on for you know, ten

525
00:28:52.640 --> 00:28:55.359
<v Speaker 2>fifteen or more like twenty minutes, and when we get

526
00:28:55.359 --> 00:29:00.480
<v Speaker 2>there the call the cell phone has deteriorated. So if

527
00:29:00.519 --> 00:29:03.640
<v Speaker 2>you call back, Susan, will Susan, Rob will alert me

528
00:29:03.720 --> 00:29:05.440
<v Speaker 2>and we will get you to the head of the line.

529
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<v Speaker 2>Let me get one more in here if we can,

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<v Speaker 2>uh I and Cape ian Ian and the aptly named

531
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<v Speaker 2>Cape i Ian.

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<v Speaker 9>How are you you're a next one night side?

533
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<v Speaker 11>Dan lit?

534
00:29:18.359 --> 00:29:20.799
<v Speaker 2>Can I ask you to speaker phone?

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<v Speaker 11>No, I'm not.

536
00:29:22.359 --> 00:29:24.119
<v Speaker 2>Oh good, will do me a favorite. What I want

537
00:29:24.160 --> 00:29:26.400
<v Speaker 2>you to do is take the mouthpiece of that phone

538
00:29:26.640 --> 00:29:28.920
<v Speaker 2>and put it right near your mouth, because if it's

539
00:29:28.960 --> 00:29:32.640
<v Speaker 2>not near your mouth like this, okay.

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<v Speaker 12>Go ahead, okay, can you hear me now much better?

541
00:29:36.240 --> 00:29:38.920
<v Speaker 2>But but you can probably okay, a little closer to

542
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<v Speaker 2>your mouth?

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<v Speaker 11>Go ahead, Okay, what about this?

544
00:29:42.359 --> 00:29:45.000
<v Speaker 2>Perfect What what did you do? What adjustment did you make?

545
00:29:46.279 --> 00:29:48.160
<v Speaker 11>My mouth is right up to the piece?

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<v Speaker 2>Good? Okay, that's good, go right ahead.

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<v Speaker 11>Well, I wanted to say that I listened to your

548
00:29:55.240 --> 00:30:00.039
<v Speaker 11>program regarding and Rique the last time, and I'm I

549
00:30:00.119 --> 00:30:02.480
<v Speaker 11>was hoping you'd revisit it, and here it is tonight

550
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<v Speaker 11>and you are, and I'm so happy that they're taking

551
00:30:07.480 --> 00:30:11.039
<v Speaker 11>up this cause and you know better, person, but you

552
00:30:11.319 --> 00:30:13.880
<v Speaker 11>dan to do this and a lot of people are

553
00:30:13.920 --> 00:30:19.880
<v Speaker 11>standing behind Trooper Enrique and his family and this is

554
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<v Speaker 11>a heartbreak, this is an outrage, and most of the

555
00:30:23.799 --> 00:30:28.079
<v Speaker 11>calls tonight already asked you or made statements about some

556
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<v Speaker 11>of the things that I already had in mind. So

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<v Speaker 11>I'm not going to repeat that. But the last thing

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<v Speaker 11>I wanted to say was, and you just mentioned it

559
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<v Speaker 11>in your last call, isn't there supposed to be a

560
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<v Speaker 11>video of these boxing sessions so that they can be

561
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<v Speaker 11>replayed for say, that could have been replayed for Rique

562
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<v Speaker 11>at another later date, so that they could explain to

563
00:30:51.079 --> 00:30:53.880
<v Speaker 11>him some of his errors and maybe he could improve

564
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<v Speaker 11>on some other things. I thought that was a standard procedure.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, my understand I don't know for sure, but my

566
00:31:03.119 --> 00:31:07.279
<v Speaker 2>understanding is that there should be videotapes now. Again, I

567
00:31:07.319 --> 00:31:09.880
<v Speaker 2>don't want to find out four months from now, Oh

568
00:31:10.039 --> 00:31:13.160
<v Speaker 2>they were the videotapes, but they got misplaced, don't Oh

569
00:31:13.200 --> 00:31:17.799
<v Speaker 2>they got accidentally erased. You know. That's that's what I

570
00:31:17.839 --> 00:31:22.599
<v Speaker 2>want to avoid you. And they haven't appointed at this

571
00:31:22.759 --> 00:31:28.240
<v Speaker 2>point anybody to leave the investigation. Again, strange things can happen,

572
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<v Speaker 2>particularly when the stakes are high, and the stakes.

573
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<v Speaker 11>Are very high in this situation, I think I find

574
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<v Speaker 11>it very suspicious, and I hope that they're not delaying

575
00:31:39.160 --> 00:31:43.599
<v Speaker 11>the autopsy at least that for the people, for everybody,

576
00:31:43.640 --> 00:31:45.279
<v Speaker 11>for the family, especially yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>My assumption. My assumption is that the autopsy was probably

578
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<v Speaker 2>done over the weekend. There's no reason why that should

579
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<v Speaker 2>have been delayed. I mean, he was moved on Saturday

580
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<v Speaker 2>to the Medical Examiner's office, so why would now there

581
00:31:58.920 --> 00:32:02.640
<v Speaker 2>could be some results from the autopsy that took some

582
00:32:02.799 --> 00:32:06.720
<v Speaker 2>time to you know, blood work or whatever. But let's

583
00:32:06.799 --> 00:32:09.200
<v Speaker 2>just you know, let's get you know, it would be

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<v Speaker 2>perfectly obvious in an autopsy. Was his neck broken? How

585
00:32:12.279 --> 00:32:14.319
<v Speaker 2>do you get your neck broken in a boxing match?

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<v Speaker 11>I know, did he lose charge? Who's in charge? Who's

587
00:32:18.799 --> 00:32:22.559
<v Speaker 11>on top of the chain, who would be investigating something

588
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<v Speaker 11>like this? Do we have names?

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00:32:24.799 --> 00:32:25.000
<v Speaker 7>No?

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, Well, there would be a state Police officer

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<v Speaker 2>in charge of the training facility, and then there would

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00:32:32.480 --> 00:32:35.279
<v Speaker 2>be people on his staff who would be members of

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<v Speaker 2>these you know, veteran members of the state Police. But

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<v Speaker 2>I think we don't have a lot of that. We

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<v Speaker 2>don't have a lot of that information yet, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>why I think.

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<v Speaker 11>We needed Okay, Okay, thank you very much, and.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much for your support and your kind words.

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<v Speaker 2>It means a lot to me.

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<v Speaker 7>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 11>Okay, You're welcome.

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<v Speaker 2>Without without people like you backing me, up on a

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00:32:56.640 --> 00:32:59.599
<v Speaker 2>call for this. I'm just the voice in the wilderness.

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<v Speaker 2>Number of people in the last two hours have been

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<v Speaker 2>very critical, very critical.

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<v Speaker 13>Yeah, well, anyway, you're doing a great job.

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<v Speaker 11>Thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, thank you much. Talk to you soon. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>all right, we gotta we do have Susan. She's back.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to get Susan in right after the break,

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<v Speaker 2>I promise. I got Laurie and Idaho, which is great

612
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<v Speaker 2>as always, and I can fit one more in if

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<v Speaker 2>you want to go and dial right now six one, seven, two, five, four,

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<v Speaker 2>ten thirty back on night Side after this.

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to Dan ray Mine from the window World

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<v Speaker 1>Night Sank Studios on w b Z News Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Back to the phone, Let's go to Susan in Salem. Susan,

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<v Speaker 2>thanks so much for calling back. Sorry about the problem initially, Go.

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<v Speaker 7>Right ahead, I'm here.

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<v Speaker 14>I was just wondering, Dan, if it weren't for Enriki's

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<v Speaker 14>friends who shared the information he did with us, would

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<v Speaker 14>we even know this happened.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's a frightening thought. I don't know who the

624
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<v Speaker 2>source was on the various stories, but you're you're right.

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<v Speaker 2>It's important, thankfully that someone actually, you know, let some

626
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<v Speaker 2>information out of the back cats out of the bag

627
00:34:12.239 --> 00:34:15.159
<v Speaker 2>I wanted from officialdom, though I don't want the official

628
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<v Speaker 2>report six months from now, and there'd be some questions

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<v Speaker 2>because people say, I thought he was in the ring.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh oh no, No, we went to the bathroom and

631
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<v Speaker 2>slipped and fell. No, you know, that's that's transparency. Governor

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<v Speaker 2>Healy said she was going to be the most transparent

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<v Speaker 2>administration in the history of Massachusetts. Governor, let's have some transparency.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a new state Police colonel coming in. Let's uh,

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<v Speaker 2>let's get, let's get, let's get. I want the facts.

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<v Speaker 7>I want the facts right yesterday.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I'm with you, thanks so much, and thanks for

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<v Speaker 2>call it back.

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<v Speaker 14>Okay, thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Liked you, sueing, good night, Laurie. And I know, Laurie

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<v Speaker 2>normal we have a chuckle over this, but there's nothing

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<v Speaker 2>to chuck about here. How this, Lauria, how you doing?

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<v Speaker 12>No, there isn't And actually what you just mentioned is

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<v Speaker 12>kind of where I'm going on a ticket. I agree

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<v Speaker 12>with everybody who's called tonight, and I was going to

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<v Speaker 12>take you down a little for it, and you just

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<v Speaker 12>mentioned it. A new new state police superior coming in,

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<v Speaker 12>and this just This just sort of smacks of them

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<v Speaker 12>that might have been, you know, the superiors down there,

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<v Speaker 12>certainly not the three percent down the streets for a

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<v Speaker 12>long time that maybe we weren't aware of. That shroud

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<v Speaker 12>was ripped off the Karen Reid trial. Apparently they haven't

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<v Speaker 12>seen so far, I need to change their ways. Maybe

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<v Speaker 12>that's because there's an administration coming in, but I agree.

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<v Speaker 12>I mean it needs to be done. And I am

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<v Speaker 12>all with you about Eddie Davis running this thing. I

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<v Speaker 12>think it would be great if he could dig into

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<v Speaker 12>it and get to here.

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<v Speaker 2>I talked with Ed Davis today, you know, and he

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<v Speaker 2>didn't tell me anything that was off the record or anything,

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<v Speaker 2>but I just was telling him that I wanted him

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<v Speaker 2>to hear from me. I told him I had nominated

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<v Speaker 2>him to be the invest the investigator in charge, because

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<v Speaker 2>that tremendous respect for Ed Davis. And I also think

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<v Speaker 2>that there are others who they could choose. John blotch Att,

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<v Speaker 2>the former DA up in Essex County, would be a

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<v Speaker 2>great guy for this, uh A former Boston police commissioner,

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<v Speaker 2>Willie Gross. I would trust Paul Evans, Reilly Evans, Paul

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<v Speaker 2>police commissioners. I also mentioned you know, there are there

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<v Speaker 2>are others, there.

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<v Speaker 15>Are, there are many, but yeah, well bring in bring

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<v Speaker 15>in Bill Bratton from outside, Kathy O'Toole, who was, oh who?

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<v Speaker 4>Or a team of them?

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<v Speaker 12>I mean if if, I mean, I've been a fan

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<v Speaker 12>of Eddie Davis, I follow him for years. So but

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<v Speaker 12>any of those guys, I mean, anybody to just dig

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<v Speaker 12>into this and get it straightened out.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll bet you this story hasn't made any splash in Idaho.

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<v Speaker 12>Correct, Yeah, you've been on that one.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah no, But I'm saying this is still. This is horrific.

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<v Speaker 2>This is not you know, some guy who was driving

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<v Speaker 2>home on a weekend pass and got hit by a

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<v Speaker 2>tractor trailer.

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<v Speaker 12>True, and it may well if it gets into a

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<v Speaker 12>point where these people are really hiding stuff and the

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<v Speaker 12>bad stuff doesn't come out for a long time, it

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<v Speaker 12>probably will touch out here right now. Obviously it's too soon.

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<v Speaker 12>It just doesn't get out here in this past. But

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<v Speaker 12>trust me, I'll be talking about.

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<v Speaker 9>It all right.

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<v Speaker 2>Love the picture you sent the other day of the

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<v Speaker 2>Yellow Jackets who have met their fate at your hands.

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<v Speaker 12>Most stratifying purchase of six ninety nine ever in my life,

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<v Speaker 12>But six dollars and ninety nine cents.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll talk about that later, because everybody I think should

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<v Speaker 2>have one of those.

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<v Speaker 8>I think so too.

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<v Speaker 12>I feel like sending a note to my neighbors saying

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<v Speaker 12>you're welcome.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, thanks, Laurie talking. I'm going to get one more

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<v Speaker 2>in here before the break. We will switch on the

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<v Speaker 2>other side. Let me go to Christine in denhim. Christine,

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<v Speaker 2>you'd have the final word on this one tonight. Go ahead, Christine.

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<v Speaker 13>I just wanted to say, my hot goes out to

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<v Speaker 13>his family. Is so wrong with's what happened. It's so

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<v Speaker 13>sadly right.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think we owe his family I did a gratitude.

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<v Speaker 2>We also owe them transparency, honesty, and integrity, just like

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<v Speaker 2>the laugh that he seemed to have lived.

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<v Speaker 13>Would they ever be to have the FBI investigator?

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<v Speaker 2>Uh? I don't think so. I think that that someone

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<v Speaker 2>like Ed Davis I would trust completely. I trusted Davis

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<v Speaker 2>more than I trust the FBI. At this point, the

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<v Speaker 2>FBI has become a very politicized agency in my opinion.

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<v Speaker 2>That's not to call in a question the integrity of

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<v Speaker 2>individual FBI agents, but I just think that the you know,

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<v Speaker 2>there for a long time, the the FBI needs to

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<v Speaker 2>clean house in that that's a different story. That's a

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<v Speaker 2>different story.

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<v Speaker 13>Yeah, thanks Christine, they would need to do I wasn't sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks so much. We'll tell me soon. Okay, have a

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<v Speaker 2>great night today. By the way, the Teams does Union

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<v Speaker 2>chose not to endorse. It's an amazing, interesting development and

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<v Speaker 2>it will have political implications. On November fifth, we'll talk

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<v Speaker 2>about it on the other side of the news break

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<v Speaker 2>at eleven. My name's Danray. Stay with us.