Speaker 1: It's Nightside with Dan ray One bonding.
Speaker 2: As is my want as the host of Nightside, I
Speaker 2: can change my mind. And I was going to flip
Speaker 2: from this story to the Teamster's non endorsement, and we
Speaker 2: will get to that story later on today. That's a big,
Speaker 2: big political story. I will explain that. Okay, the fact
Speaker 2: that the Teamsters, for the first time since nineteen ninety
Speaker 2: six have not endorsed the Democratic presidential candidate. We'll get
Speaker 2: to that, I promise, before I get to my callers
Speaker 2: who are on the line and have held through the news,
Speaker 2: they will have priority if you'd like to join the conversation.
Speaker 2: You know the numbers. We're talking about. The death, the
Speaker 2: seemingly unnecessary, I shouldn't say, the seemingly the unnecessary death
Speaker 2: of a Massachusetts State Police trooper who while he was
Speaker 2: in training and New Braintree at their training facility, Enrique
Speaker 2: Delgado Garcia, suffered life ending injuries on Thursday afternoon. Now
Speaker 2: I want to know how could this happen in a
Speaker 2: controlled circumstance. This is not a police officer who out
Speaker 2: on the road is hit by a car. There's not
Speaker 2: a police officer who's shot by someone. This is a
Speaker 2: police officer's a controlled setting, and who dies. Stuff is
Speaker 2: a broken neck. There have been some reports of our
Speaker 2: fraction skull. Just leave it at broken neck and missing
Speaker 2: several teeth. This is not one punch that knocked him
Speaker 2: out this because look that's I know that's not possible. Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm not speculating there, but I want to know what
Speaker 2: happened as a taxpayer, as a citizen of Massachusetts. Governor
Speaker 2: Healy has said, matter of fact, she was quoted. I
Speaker 2: think it was earlier this week, cut twenty seven around this,
Speaker 2: Governor more Healey condolences for the death and she wants
Speaker 2: to find out what happened. I do too, Governor, and
Speaker 2: I want to find out. Like yesterday, this is twenty seven,
Speaker 2: cut twenty my.
Speaker 3: Heart goes out to Enrique and his family and all
Speaker 3: those two who witnessed his death. I mean, it happened
Speaker 3: at the academy, and there were a number of people
Speaker 3: there who witnessed that, and just a really hard situation
Speaker 3: and horrible and not something that you ever ever want
Speaker 3: to see.
Speaker 4: As governor and.
Speaker 3: Committed to making sure that we have a full understanding
Speaker 3: of what exactly happened and that we clearly communicate with
Speaker 3: the public on that.
Speaker 2: Now, the Worcester County District Attorney Joseph Early has said that,
Speaker 2: as far as he's concerned his office, Enrique used to
Speaker 2: work there as a victim's advocate, but he wanted to
Speaker 2: become a state police officer. His office is conflicted, which
Speaker 2: is perfectly understandable. I respect Joe Early's decision, but he said,
Speaker 2: not only should his office not investigated, but because there
Speaker 2: are state police officers assigned to every DA's office in Massachusetts,
Speaker 2: and we're the only state, the only state who only
Speaker 2: has state police officers in the District Attorney's office. Interesting,
Speaker 2: found out that fact today. Found out that fact today. Interesting.
Speaker 2: I don't know why we're the only one, but we're
Speaker 2: the only one, so Early said. Credit to him. There
Speaker 2: should be an independent investigation. I'm suggesting at Davis former
Speaker 2: police commissioner Willie Gross in Boston, any of either Bill
Speaker 2: Evans or Paul Evans who are police commissioners. Kathy O'Toole,
Speaker 2: who was a Bostonian and who headed the MBTA Police
Speaker 2: worked in the city of Boston as a superintendent, was
Speaker 2: the head of the Irish police force, the GARDA in
Speaker 2: two thousand and eight in that range, two thousand and seven,
Speaker 2: two thousand and eight, no strike that my mistake on
Speaker 2: that were like two thousand eleven, twenty ten, twenty eleven
Speaker 2: in that timeframe. I met her. I saw her when
Speaker 2: I was in Dublin at that time. She was the
Speaker 2: top cop nationwide. Because they have a small police force.
Speaker 2: It's they don't have Dublin City Police, they don't have
Speaker 2: Cork Galway City. They have there what they call the Garter.
Speaker 2: So Joe Earley said it should be outside independent investigator.
Speaker 2: That's fine, but I also think there are elements and
Speaker 2: facts that should be put on the record as soon
Speaker 2: as possible because if what happens is we forget, we forget.
Speaker 2: This is Joe Earley talking about this young man who
Speaker 2: who lost his life while under the supervision. Just wrong,
Speaker 2: just wrong, Enriquie Delgado Garcia. If it was a one
Speaker 2: punch and he went down and he had a concussion,
Speaker 2: that's a different story. This kid had a broken neck
Speaker 2: according to news reports that have been circulated and quoted
Speaker 2: in the Boston Globe, and several missing teeth. That doesn't
Speaker 2: make sense. This is da early earlier this past weekend,
Speaker 2: cut twenty eight.
Speaker 5: Reyque Delgado Gascia was loved by everyone in our office.
Speaker 5: He's a dedicated victim witness advocate who joined our office
Speaker 5: and was with us for about a year and a
Speaker 5: half before he left our office and able to fulfill
Speaker 5: the life long dream of joining the Massachusetts State Police.
Speaker 5: This is a hot breaking and tragic loss, and because
Speaker 5: of this close relationship, someone else will be handling this matter.
Speaker 5: There's no way this office can handle this. Everyone loved Enrique.
Speaker 6: I'm not looking to give it to another DA's office.
Speaker 6: I don't think that would be fair to my fellow DA's.
Speaker 6: They all have State Police detective units, they all have
Speaker 6: a chain of command. I'm looking for someone who can
Speaker 6: look at this with an independent view, who doesn't have
Speaker 6: a stake.
Speaker 7: And it's outcome.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's get back to the call. It's going to
Speaker 2: go to Lawrence in West Roxbury. Lawnce, I held you
Speaker 2: over here. I'd like to accommodate you and a few
Speaker 2: other callers. Go ahead, larns Oh.
Speaker 8: I've spent thirty years in the military and I've been
Speaker 8: in several of the defensive training exercises very much like
Speaker 8: the one they described. Mister one of two things I
Speaker 8: want to hear and the information that you're thinking. The
Speaker 8: first thing is I wanted to know why the person
Speaker 8: supervisor didn't stop within three seconds, because you had to
Speaker 8: know he didn't know how to defend himself. Second is
Speaker 8: that if the supervision was absent, I wanted to know
Speaker 8: why it was absent. Have a nice night.
Speaker 2: Well, lards, are you quicker to the point? And I
Speaker 2: agree with you? Those are some simple facts. We don't
Speaker 2: necessarily need conclusions. But I want to know what the
Speaker 2: extent of his injuries were the autops he has been done.
Speaker 2: I think the point you make is very important. Was
Speaker 2: the person who was supposed to be supervising this bout
Speaker 2: if it indeed was about no. I just wanted to
Speaker 2: be confirmed that it was a boxing match inside a ring,
Speaker 2: that it wasn't a separate altercation or something like that.
Speaker 2: We need to know this, Okay, the public needs to
Speaker 2: know this. He died unnecessarily. That's why we need to
Speaker 2: know it.
Speaker 8: Absolutely.
Speaker 2: I'm a nice night, you too, large, appreciate you call.
Speaker 2: Let me get one more in here before the break.
Speaker 2: Let me go to Tony in Los Angeles. Tony, You're
Speaker 2: next time Nights I go right.
Speaker 7: Ahead, Dan, how are you well?
Speaker 2: I'm a little wound up about this one.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 7: I just want to say, this would not happen in
Speaker 7: Los Angeles, California. Okay, this nonsense. They're keeping the truth
Speaker 7: from us. Okay, this should not be happening. This should
Speaker 7: not happen ever, much less now and this week and
Speaker 7: how many days it's been sinton Reque passed away. This
Speaker 7: is not right, Dan, this is crazy.
Speaker 2: Well, thank you for joining me on this, because what
Speaker 2: happens is we move on. We have they the folks
Speaker 2: in authority, understand that that we as a public have
Speaker 2: a short attention span and unless I visit. We talked
Speaker 2: about this Monday night, and I've talked about it again tonight.
Speaker 2: I will continue to talk about it. I want to
Speaker 2: know what happened, and there are some facts that they
Speaker 2: can share with us. The investigation has to go a
Speaker 2: lot deeper than that. They have to investigate. Was there
Speaker 2: a grudge between the fellow that was that assuming that
Speaker 2: they're telling us the truth, you know, which is always
Speaker 2: as this is an assumption here, okay, that that that
Speaker 2: it was a boxing match. It wasn't like a fight
Speaker 2: that occurred separately tell us what happened that you know
Speaker 2: of which is indisputable. They were witnesses there. Uh, and
Speaker 2: tell us what the autopsy said. What what did he
Speaker 2: die of? What was injuries? Broken neck and losing a
Speaker 2: bunch of teeth, He got headgear, you got a muffy
Speaker 2: got in. Yeah.
Speaker 7: Yes, the fact is taking so many days dan is
Speaker 7: highly irreputable. It doesn't make any does not make any sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And what it does do is it it allows
Speaker 2: people to speculate. And I'm not speculating. I'm just asking
Speaker 2: for information, okay, because I don't want people speculating. I
Speaker 2: want the state police to be responsible. If there was
Speaker 2: a mistake made and if, for example, he was put
Speaker 2: in with someone who was far superior to his capabilities,
Speaker 2: and if the supervisor was distracted and whatever, you know
Speaker 2: that can happen, and in a matter of thirty seconds
Speaker 2: he suffered life ending injuries. I want to talk. I
Speaker 2: want the investigators to talk to the person who was
Speaker 2: fighting him and say, didn't you realize this guy was
Speaker 2: in trouble? I mean, what do you think this was
Speaker 2: the Olympic gold medal that you were going for. I mean,
Speaker 2: you got to you gotta deal with everybody at all.
Speaker 2: You got to You've got to deal directly, simple as that.
Speaker 7: Yeah, we've got to find out now, Dan. We can't
Speaker 7: wait two more weeks or three more days. We have
Speaker 7: to know by tomorrow. Wouldn't you think.
Speaker 2: I'm with you? Tony Well said, thank you so much
Speaker 2: for you, Thank.
Speaker 7: You Dan, great show, thank.
Speaker 2: You, thank you, bank you very much. I'm heartened by
Speaker 2: the number of people who have taken the time to call.
Speaker 2: I have Ramon and Lemonster coming up, Susan and Salem,
Speaker 2: and I got room for you at six one, seven thirty.
Speaker 2: I will go on this as long as you want, okay.
Speaker 2: And if you have a police background and you want
Speaker 2: to call in and defend the fact that the state
Speaker 2: police and the Commota Massachusetts has released little information, that's fine.
Speaker 2: But the fact that little information has been released enough
Speaker 2: has been released to know that something bad happened here.
Speaker 2: This wasn't this man suffering a major heart attack at
Speaker 2: the age of twenty five. Okay, So let's get the answers,
Speaker 2: and let's get them sooner rather than later. You then
Speaker 2: do the investigation. You can do an investigation sit six
Speaker 2: months from now, but I want to know the basic
Speaker 2: facts and I think the public has a right to
Speaker 2: know the basic facts. We'll take a break. We will
Speaker 2: get later on, by the way, tomorrow night. At this
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Speaker 2: All right, let's keep rolling here. We're going to go
Speaker 2: next to Ramone and Lemonster. Ramone, Welcome to Nightside. How
Speaker 2: are you sir?
Speaker 9: Hello?
Speaker 2: Hi Ramone? Dan.
Speaker 10: Yes, the very difficult trying to get into your through
Speaker 10: your station that past uh a few days, everybody just
Speaker 10: been like there, uh, well some extense.
Speaker 2: I'm happier. I'm happier here, but I'm also happy. The
Speaker 2: phone lines are busy. Remote go right ahead, Yeah.
Speaker 10: Yeah, you got to put it, like an extra four
Speaker 10: hours just for college. I you know, this is just
Speaker 10: so unreal. What has happened? Yeah, and it seems to
Speaker 10: me when I saw the press conference that missed the
Speaker 10: Joe Early didn't want nothing to do with it. Not
Speaker 10: because of the conflict of interest, but uh, it seems
Speaker 10: to me like he didn't want to step on anybody's toes.
Speaker 2: Especially I would disagree with it. And I'll tell you why.
Speaker 2: It seems. You know, Enrique worked in that office and
Speaker 2: as a victim's advocate. And I got a sense from
Speaker 2: listening to Joe Early, and I should have had Joe
Speaker 2: Early come on tonight. I got a sense that he
Speaker 2: really cared for this man. How could you not? I
Speaker 2: mean to think that somebody goes to become a state
Speaker 2: police officer and dies, not on the job, but while
Speaker 2: being trained to become a state police officer, that's you know,
Speaker 2: I mean, we would we would feel more badly. Let
Speaker 2: me just one one second, Ramonent, I want you to
Speaker 2: respond to this. If you or I had a dog
Speaker 2: and we sent the dog away for a couple of
Speaker 2: weeks to be trained, and you know, and and and learn,
Speaker 2: you know, how to sit and lie down and you know,
Speaker 2: all of that sort of stuff. And after a couple
Speaker 2: of weeks you went to pick him up and they said,
Speaker 2: oh no, he died a couple of days ago. He said,
Speaker 2: he died. What are you talking about, you know, I mean,
Speaker 2: this is unacceptable to me. Go ahead, I interrupted you.
Speaker 10: Yes, yes, And that has happened with the dog trainer.
Speaker 10: I've heard I've heard of that before. Okay, then we
Speaker 10: go to number two. I mean, like I said, where
Speaker 10: was the supervision? And this is not the first time.
Speaker 10: Way back I heard about in the in the Coast Guard,
Speaker 10: there were similar type of things going on, like some
Speaker 10: type of hate and and so forth. And it seems
Speaker 10: like some of the old habits from the old timers
Speaker 10: they used to run the State Police is still running
Speaker 10: down the ranks. I mean, it seems like they don't
Speaker 10: want something to come out.
Speaker 8: The next thing is it.
Speaker 10: Was probably I would say this thing for the Caucasian guy.
Speaker 10: You and believe it or not, believe it or not.
Speaker 10: The way that things are today, I mean, wherever there,
Speaker 10: wherever you go, everybody has their own clique, you know,
Speaker 10: whether if it's in the State Police, whether if it's
Speaker 10: in the Maurice whether it's in the army. I mean this,
Speaker 10: this entities are not checking any background checks for you know,
Speaker 10: any type or not, not gangs, but listen, KKK is
Speaker 10: stuff like that.
Speaker 2: So I think is I would think, I would hope
Speaker 2: ramon that if somebody applied to be in the state
Speaker 2: police in Massachusetts, uh, that they would do a background check,
Speaker 2: and if that individual was in some wackle organization like
Speaker 2: the KKK or the Proud Boys or something like that,
Speaker 2: they would just say, thanks very much, but we're not interested.
Speaker 10: I mean, it's you know, they through you know, through
Speaker 10: the cracks. I mean, but look if.
Speaker 2: This guy, let's assume hypothetically that somehow this guy was
Speaker 2: was I mean, this something happened to this kid, Okay,
Speaker 2: and there were witnesses to it. This didn't happen at
Speaker 2: midnight as a fight in the barracks. This happened in
Speaker 2: the afternoon, supposedly in a training exercise in a boxing ring. Okay,
Speaker 2: let's get all of it out that we know for now,
Speaker 2: the undisputed facts, Okay, facts that can that cannot in
Speaker 2: any way perform be proven to be incorrect, and then
Speaker 2: we start from there. Then you conduct your full investigation
Speaker 2: and you find out was this someone who had a
Speaker 2: grudge against him all of this? How did this happen?
Speaker 2: That's what I want to know. And the longer we
Speaker 2: wait to get the effect, we don't know. If we're
Speaker 2: told it was in the boxing ring, but I want
Speaker 2: to see someone from official them say that on camera
Speaker 2: so we have a record of it, so they can't
Speaker 2: turn around six months from now and say, well, it
Speaker 2: really wasn't in the boxing ring because he had gone
Speaker 2: into the men's room and the floor was a little
Speaker 2: slippery and he fell down and he broke his neck
Speaker 2: and he hit his face on the sync going down,
Speaker 2: and that's how we's That's the sort of revisionist story
Speaker 2: that I don't want to be seeing three months, six
Speaker 2: months from them. That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 10: Correct, correct, I mean, but even professional boxers don't get
Speaker 10: this kind of injuries, even on the octagon that they
Speaker 10: don't even they only use them little tiny gloves that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, these are supposed these are supposed to the oversized gloves.
Speaker 2: Because they're oversized. It's it's almost more like a pillow
Speaker 2: fight than it is a boxing match because the force
Speaker 2: is it's diminished. It's not as if you're being hit
Speaker 2: by someone's fist. You're being hit by almost a fist
Speaker 2: wrapped in a big pillow.
Speaker 10: Also seems like they might have been maybe some type
Speaker 10: of gambling going on.
Speaker 2: I don't know, I've never heard that. What do you
Speaker 2: base that on? Ramon?
Speaker 10: But for four years I've been to your program, and
Speaker 10: what intrigued me about your program is that whenever I
Speaker 10: wanted to hear something I've seen or anything, people will
Speaker 10: call and they will discuss it with you, or they
Speaker 10: will say it through the phone line, but they wouldn't
Speaker 10: say to somebody like out on the street or face
Speaker 10: to face. As time has gone by that we have
Speaker 10: got in this president, now it's like, I mean, I've
Speaker 10: been like every other week, I mean, I call it.
Speaker 10: I've been called derogatory names, and it's like these people
Speaker 10: don't even care. They don't care that they've seen that,
Speaker 10: they that they're being racist against you. But you don't.
Speaker 2: You don't hear any of that talk on this show,
Speaker 2: at least not what I'm running.
Speaker 10: No no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 7: Not not that.
Speaker 10: But it's stuff that people wouldn't say, you know, they
Speaker 10: would come in and discuss it in there with you.
Speaker 10: I'm not necessarily saying that about racist slurts or anything
Speaker 10: like that.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's fine because I know you don't.
Speaker 10: I know you don't stand for that. But you know
Speaker 10: what I mean, what I'm saying is things that people
Speaker 10: wouldn't you know, tell somebody out on the street or
Speaker 10: anything like that. Nowadays, it's like people don't care. They
Speaker 10: don't care, you know, and you know how it is.
Speaker 10: I mean when you especially Latino, you got a guy
Speaker 10: that's saying, oh, they are racist, they all this, they
Speaker 10: all that.
Speaker 2: I mean, what, well, here's the problem you and I.
Speaker 2: I'm up on a break for news and we're kind
Speaker 2: of getting away from the subject that he had, So Ramon,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna let you run keep calling a program. Thank you, sir,
Speaker 2: thank you, thank you very much. Okay, we got full lines.
Speaker 2: The only line that's open right now is the one
Speaker 2: Vermon left, which is six, one, seven, nine, three thirty.
Speaker 2: I think we'll carry this till eleven. I will change
Speaker 2: at eleven because I have publicized we're going to talk
Speaker 2: about the Teamsters Union's non endorsement today. As I mentioned
Speaker 2: tomorrow night, at this time, we will have Larry and
Speaker 2: Scott the WBC car guys Larry and Scott Rubinstein from
Speaker 2: ten to midnight tomorrow night. So get your car your
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Speaker 1: The Night Side thought with Dan Ray on WBZ Boston's
Speaker 1: news radio.
Speaker 2: Let's keep rolling here, going to go to Susan in Salem, Massachusetts. Susan,
Speaker 2: appreciate you taking the time to call your thoughts on
Speaker 2: the death of this young Massachusettstate Police trainee, Enrique del
Speaker 2: Gatto Garcia.
Speaker 10: Yet I'm just wondering, give me your favorite, Susan.
Speaker 2: I want to clean up your line. Rob's going to
Speaker 2: clean up your line for you here. It was tough
Speaker 2: to hear. Okay, don't lose er. We'll get Susan back here,
Speaker 2: I promise. Let me go next to Lucas in Maryland.
Speaker 2: Lucas next on NIGHTSID right ahead.
Speaker 4: Hey, thanks for taking my call. This is the second
Speaker 4: time I got to call in. I listened to you
Speaker 4: all the time on my way into work.
Speaker 2: Well, thank you, Lucas, appreciate it.
Speaker 4: So what I used to do was I was in
Speaker 4: correction and stuff like that, and I used to teach
Speaker 4: at the academy nice to teach, you know, strike wrestling
Speaker 4: moves and all that kind of stuff. So you're right
Speaker 4: when you said we used bigger gloves, used twelve hos gloves.
Speaker 4: This is totally on the instructors. Before people got into
Speaker 4: the ring, you you would go through like about like
Speaker 4: a week and a half or two weeks where they
Speaker 4: were hitting bags and you could see who could really
Speaker 4: throw punches and not throw punches. So then it was
Speaker 4: your responsibility to put people that were like equally effective
Speaker 4: in the ring together. You're not going to put somebody
Speaker 4: in the ring with somebody that so much better than
Speaker 4: the other person, right, And then you're not distracted, there's
Speaker 4: no way. That's the most important thing that's going on
Speaker 4: right now is them in the ring, and if someone
Speaker 4: gets in trouble, you're jumping in immediately. So the instructor
Speaker 4: is just completely because what you're trying to do is
Speaker 4: you're trying to teach this person that they never have
Speaker 4: been punched in the face before in their lives or
Speaker 4: never throw a punch. You're trying to get them to
Speaker 4: know how to defend themselves and being in a proper thing.
Speaker 4: So that's what you're teaching the other people that they
Speaker 4: may have been in the military, they made no moves,
Speaker 4: they may have prior training. You're not teaching them to
Speaker 4: be prize fighters, you know what I mean. So this
Speaker 4: is totally on the instructor, unless, like what you're saying,
Speaker 4: it happened like in the bathroom, or there was a
Speaker 4: grudge or something going on. But if it was in
Speaker 4: the ring.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I gotta watch that, watch that. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well here's my point, and I think you will agree
Speaker 2: with me. This happened last Thursday afternoon. Okay, you got
Speaker 2: to get to people quickly because the memories are fresh.
Speaker 2: People's memories fade over time, correct and find out, Okay,
Speaker 2: what did you see? And that's part of the investigation.
Speaker 2: But once you get to the point where there are
Speaker 2: facts that you can share with the public and you
Speaker 2: can say, look, we're not even sure. We're told it
Speaker 2: was an exercise, a defensive training exercise, that could be
Speaker 2: a lot of things. And then the news is reporting
Speaker 2: is boxing inside a ring. But it would be nice
Speaker 2: if the state police would, you know, just that has
Speaker 2: to be an indisputable fact, if they would if this,
Speaker 2: if this boxing was inside a ring, that's a fact.
Speaker 2: It's as simple as that. In terms of with the
Speaker 2: with the videotapes being done at.
Speaker 4: The time, I don't know, well, usually usually would so
Speaker 4: in Maryland, if they're in the boxing ring and stuff
Speaker 4: like that, we're videotapement, right.
Speaker 2: I'm just what I'm saying is that that could be
Speaker 2: part of the I'm not asking to see the videotape.
Speaker 2: I'm saying, but let's get it on the record so
Speaker 2: that they're not going to say, uh, six months from now, oh,
Speaker 2: we thought the video but the recorder wasn't working or something.
Speaker 2: I just get as many facts that are indisputable on
Speaker 2: the record. They don't have to be facts that lead
Speaker 2: you to a conclusion of culpability or liability. But get
Speaker 2: stuff on the record because I don't want to or something. Well,
Speaker 2: he was in the ring, but then he thought he
Speaker 2: cut his lip, so we told him to go to
Speaker 2: the men's room and put a little gauze on his lip.
Speaker 2: And guess what. When he went into men's room, he
Speaker 2: slipped and fell and he hit his his teeth hit
Speaker 2: the sink and he lost about eight teeth. And that's
Speaker 2: when we think his neck broke. It's like, wait a second,
Speaker 2: you know, I don't he told that six months from now,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I love you. I love you Dan because
Speaker 4: you let people talk. And I mean, it doesn't sound good.
Speaker 4: It just doesn't like it. It's like there was a
Speaker 4: failure to train there. It just really does. I mean,
Speaker 4: it shouldn't happen in training like that.
Speaker 7: It just shouldn't.
Speaker 2: How long did you work and I'm not doing I'm
Speaker 2: not sure if you said you were with the Maryland
Speaker 2: State Police or with one of the local agencies. How
Speaker 2: long did you work.
Speaker 4: I I've been in law enforcement for a about like
Speaker 4: twenty six years, and then I was in an academy
Speaker 4: for like, you know, like eight to ten years. And
Speaker 4: I thought, so, it just sounds like something that, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean, Like it like it's it just
Speaker 4: doesn't sound good. It just doesn't sound kosher. You're you
Speaker 4: go so over the top to make sure people don't
Speaker 4: get hurt, Like I mean, like that's the first thing
Speaker 4: that you're supervisors, Like they pull you out and they
Speaker 4: talk to you and they're like, nobody needs to get hurt,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, Like if.
Speaker 2: Somebody, if somebody all of them thought that they were
Speaker 2: going to impress the rest of their buddies and they
Speaker 2: were going to go in there and give it then
Speaker 2: and whoop this guy. You shop the thing right away.
Speaker 2: You say, hold on here. You know you're not here
Speaker 2: to You're not here to win the heavyweight championship of
Speaker 2: the world. Take the gloves off and we'll we'll talk
Speaker 2: to you afterwards. I mean, you gotta you.
Speaker 10: Don't want to.
Speaker 2: You don't want somebody as a police officer, who if
Speaker 2: they kind of control themselves and they're going to take
Speaker 2: advantage of some weaker opponent. That's not what it's all about.
Speaker 4: You're exactly right. You're just exactly right. So there there
Speaker 4: just sounds unless something And like you said, I mean,
Speaker 4: we don't know the whole story, you know, I mean,
Speaker 4: it's not transparent it's going on, but it just sounds
Speaker 4: really really bad.
Speaker 2: I mean, and I just want them.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't let that happen.
Speaker 2: It just it just not you sound you know, convince you.
Speaker 2: But we just need we need transparency, and we need
Speaker 2: we need the facts that are indisputable. We don't need conclusions,
Speaker 2: we don't need the results of the investigation. Let the
Speaker 2: investigation take a month or however long it is, but
Speaker 2: we need facts that are indisputable. Will these injuries suffered
Speaker 2: in a ring? Ver they outside of the ring, because
Speaker 2: I don't want to be told off the record for
Speaker 2: three weeks it was in the ring and then find
Speaker 2: out no, he slipped into men's room. Wait a second,
Speaker 2: hold it. You know that's what my fear is here. Lucas,
Speaker 2: love your call to help you call more often and
Speaker 2: thank you for your nervous.
Speaker 4: Okay, thanks, appreciate, Jackie Lucas, good night.
Speaker 2: I'll get it one more in here? Why not? We
Speaker 2: can get one more in. We got Peggy in South Boston. Hey, Peggy,
Speaker 2: welcome back. How are you.
Speaker 9: Hello?
Speaker 2: Hi Peggy welcome? Who are you.
Speaker 9: About that young man I tried. I think it was
Speaker 9: terrible a bondom of what he went through, and I
Speaker 9: feel this way, whoever did that to him should be
Speaker 9: tragged the manslaughter on a stick of ahead. I mean
Speaker 9: he was no match because of their weight and everything else.
Speaker 9: Want to box and things my bobom and stuff. You
Speaker 9: have to have the same weight as the other man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't think we know enough to conclude
Speaker 2: that there's a man this is a manslaughter situation. Let's
Speaker 2: get the facts. But I don't I want to get
Speaker 2: some of the indisputable facts. I'd love to know how
Speaker 2: big was his opponent with a similar size or was
Speaker 2: the other guy six foot four and this guy was
Speaker 2: five foot seven? Yeah, that's nice, that's the match. Yeah.
Speaker 9: Oh, I just think you was a lieutenant on the
Speaker 9: state Police World War two and Solomon Island.
Speaker 2: We're having a little trouble with you. Yeah, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: let you go here, Peggy. Your phone's dropping out on
Speaker 2: a suit.
Speaker 9: You got to get at all right, you have my
Speaker 9: sentiments and God, brother young man, I felt so bad
Speaker 9: and for his talent.
Speaker 2: I agree with you. I agree with you. Thanks, Peggy,
Speaker 2: appreciate the call. By the way, if Susan and Salem
Speaker 2: can get to a better line, Susan, if you call back,
Speaker 2: I'll bump you to that the line. I always am
Speaker 2: disappointed when someone has held on for you know, ten
Speaker 2: fifteen or more like twenty minutes, and when we get
Speaker 2: there the call the cell phone has deteriorated. So if
Speaker 2: you call back, Susan, will Susan, Rob will alert me
Speaker 2: and we will get you to the head of the line.
Speaker 2: Let me get one more in here if we can,
Speaker 2: uh I and Cape ian Ian and the aptly named
Speaker 2: Cape i Ian.
Speaker 9: How are you you're a next one night side?
Speaker 11: Dan lit?
Speaker 2: Can I ask you to speaker phone?
Speaker 11: No, I'm not.
Speaker 2: Oh good, will do me a favorite. What I want
Speaker 2: you to do is take the mouthpiece of that phone
Speaker 2: and put it right near your mouth, because if it's
Speaker 2: not near your mouth like this, okay.
Speaker 12: Go ahead, okay, can you hear me now much better?
Speaker 2: But but you can probably okay, a little closer to
Speaker 2: your mouth?
Speaker 11: Go ahead, Okay, what about this?
Speaker 2: Perfect What what did you do? What adjustment did you make?
Speaker 11: My mouth is right up to the piece?
Speaker 2: Good? Okay, that's good, go right ahead.
Speaker 11: Well, I wanted to say that I listened to your
Speaker 11: program regarding and Rique the last time, and I'm I
Speaker 11: was hoping you'd revisit it, and here it is tonight
Speaker 11: and you are, and I'm so happy that they're taking
Speaker 11: up this cause and you know better, person, but you
Speaker 11: dan to do this and a lot of people are
Speaker 11: standing behind Trooper Enrique and his family and this is
Speaker 11: a heartbreak, this is an outrage, and most of the
Speaker 11: calls tonight already asked you or made statements about some
Speaker 11: of the things that I already had in mind. So
Speaker 11: I'm not going to repeat that. But the last thing
Speaker 11: I wanted to say was, and you just mentioned it
Speaker 11: in your last call, isn't there supposed to be a
Speaker 11: video of these boxing sessions so that they can be
Speaker 11: replayed for say, that could have been replayed for Rique
Speaker 11: at another later date, so that they could explain to
Speaker 11: him some of his errors and maybe he could improve
Speaker 11: on some other things. I thought that was a standard procedure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my understand I don't know for sure, but my
Speaker 2: understanding is that there should be videotapes now. Again, I
Speaker 2: don't want to find out four months from now, Oh
Speaker 2: they were the videotapes, but they got misplaced, don't Oh
Speaker 2: they got accidentally erased. You know. That's that's what I
Speaker 2: want to avoid you. And they haven't appointed at this
Speaker 2: point anybody to leave the investigation. Again, strange things can happen,
Speaker 2: particularly when the stakes are high, and the stakes.
Speaker 11: Are very high in this situation, I think I find
Speaker 11: it very suspicious, and I hope that they're not delaying
Speaker 11: the autopsy at least that for the people, for everybody,
Speaker 11: for the family, especially yeah.
Speaker 2: My assumption. My assumption is that the autopsy was probably
Speaker 2: done over the weekend. There's no reason why that should
Speaker 2: have been delayed. I mean, he was moved on Saturday
Speaker 2: to the Medical Examiner's office, so why would now there
Speaker 2: could be some results from the autopsy that took some
Speaker 2: time to you know, blood work or whatever. But let's
Speaker 2: just you know, let's get you know, it would be
Speaker 2: perfectly obvious in an autopsy. Was his neck broken? How
Speaker 2: do you get your neck broken in a boxing match?
Speaker 11: I know, did he lose charge? Who's in charge? Who's
Speaker 11: on top of the chain, who would be investigating something
Speaker 11: like this? Do we have names?
Speaker 7: No?
Speaker 2: No, no, Well, there would be a state Police officer
Speaker 2: in charge of the training facility, and then there would
Speaker 2: be people on his staff who would be members of
Speaker 2: these you know, veteran members of the state Police. But
Speaker 2: I think we don't have a lot of that. We
Speaker 2: don't have a lot of that information yet, and that's
Speaker 2: why I think.
Speaker 11: We needed Okay, Okay, thank you very much, and.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for your support and your kind words.
Speaker 2: It means a lot to me.
Speaker 7: Thank you.
Speaker 11: Okay, You're welcome.
Speaker 2: Without without people like you backing me, up on a
Speaker 2: call for this. I'm just the voice in the wilderness.
Speaker 2: Number of people in the last two hours have been
Speaker 2: very critical, very critical.
Speaker 13: Yeah, well, anyway, you're doing a great job.
Speaker 11: Thank you so much.
Speaker 2: All right, thank you much. Talk to you soon. Right,
Speaker 2: all right, we gotta we do have Susan. She's back.
Speaker 2: We're going to get Susan in right after the break,
Speaker 2: I promise. I got Laurie and Idaho, which is great
Speaker 2: as always, and I can fit one more in if
Speaker 2: you want to go and dial right now six one, seven, two, five, four,
Speaker 2: ten thirty back on night Side after this.
Speaker 1: Now back to Dan ray Mine from the window World
Speaker 1: Night Sank Studios on w b Z News Radio.
Speaker 2: Back to the phone, Let's go to Susan in Salem. Susan,
Speaker 2: thanks so much for calling back. Sorry about the problem initially, Go.
Speaker 7: Right ahead, I'm here.
Speaker 14: I was just wondering, Dan, if it weren't for Enriki's
Speaker 14: friends who shared the information he did with us, would
Speaker 14: we even know this happened.
Speaker 2: Well, that's a frightening thought. I don't know who the
Speaker 2: source was on the various stories, but you're you're right.
Speaker 2: It's important, thankfully that someone actually, you know, let some
Speaker 2: information out of the back cats out of the bag
Speaker 2: I wanted from officialdom, though I don't want the official
Speaker 2: report six months from now, and there'd be some questions
Speaker 2: because people say, I thought he was in the ring.
Speaker 2: Oh oh no, No, we went to the bathroom and
Speaker 2: slipped and fell. No, you know, that's that's transparency. Governor
Speaker 2: Healy said she was going to be the most transparent
Speaker 2: administration in the history of Massachusetts. Governor, let's have some transparency.
Speaker 2: There's a new state Police colonel coming in. Let's uh,
Speaker 2: let's get, let's get, let's get. I want the facts.
Speaker 7: I want the facts right yesterday.
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm with you, thanks so much, and thanks for
Speaker 2: call it back.
Speaker 14: Okay, thank you.
Speaker 2: Liked you, sueing, good night, Laurie. And I know, Laurie
Speaker 2: normal we have a chuckle over this, but there's nothing
Speaker 2: to chuck about here. How this, Lauria, how you doing?
Speaker 12: No, there isn't And actually what you just mentioned is
Speaker 12: kind of where I'm going on a ticket. I agree
Speaker 12: with everybody who's called tonight, and I was going to
Speaker 12: take you down a little for it, and you just
Speaker 12: mentioned it. A new new state police superior coming in,
Speaker 12: and this just This just sort of smacks of them
Speaker 12: that might have been, you know, the superiors down there,
Speaker 12: certainly not the three percent down the streets for a
Speaker 12: long time that maybe we weren't aware of. That shroud
Speaker 12: was ripped off the Karen Reid trial. Apparently they haven't
Speaker 12: seen so far, I need to change their ways. Maybe
Speaker 12: that's because there's an administration coming in, but I agree.
Speaker 12: I mean it needs to be done. And I am
Speaker 12: all with you about Eddie Davis running this thing. I
Speaker 12: think it would be great if he could dig into
Speaker 12: it and get to here.
Speaker 2: I talked with Ed Davis today, you know, and he
Speaker 2: didn't tell me anything that was off the record or anything,
Speaker 2: but I just was telling him that I wanted him
Speaker 2: to hear from me. I told him I had nominated
Speaker 2: him to be the invest the investigator in charge, because
Speaker 2: that tremendous respect for Ed Davis. And I also think
Speaker 2: that there are others who they could choose. John blotch Att,
Speaker 2: the former DA up in Essex County, would be a
Speaker 2: great guy for this, uh A former Boston police commissioner,
Speaker 2: Willie Gross. I would trust Paul Evans, Reilly Evans, Paul
Speaker 2: police commissioners. I also mentioned you know, there are there
Speaker 2: are others, there.
Speaker 15: Are, there are many, but yeah, well bring in bring
Speaker 15: in Bill Bratton from outside, Kathy O'Toole, who was, oh who?
Speaker 4: Or a team of them?
Speaker 12: I mean if if, I mean, I've been a fan
Speaker 12: of Eddie Davis, I follow him for years. So but
Speaker 12: any of those guys, I mean, anybody to just dig
Speaker 12: into this and get it straightened out.
Speaker 2: I'll bet you this story hasn't made any splash in Idaho.
Speaker 12: Correct, Yeah, you've been on that one.
Speaker 2: Yeah no, But I'm saying this is still. This is horrific.
Speaker 2: This is not you know, some guy who was driving
Speaker 2: home on a weekend pass and got hit by a
Speaker 2: tractor trailer.
Speaker 12: True, and it may well if it gets into a
Speaker 12: point where these people are really hiding stuff and the
Speaker 12: bad stuff doesn't come out for a long time, it
Speaker 12: probably will touch out here right now. Obviously it's too soon.
Speaker 12: It just doesn't get out here in this past. But
Speaker 12: trust me, I'll be talking about.
Speaker 9: It all right.
Speaker 2: Love the picture you sent the other day of the
Speaker 2: Yellow Jackets who have met their fate at your hands.
Speaker 12: Most stratifying purchase of six ninety nine ever in my life,
Speaker 12: But six dollars and ninety nine cents.
Speaker 2: We'll talk about that later, because everybody I think should
Speaker 2: have one of those.
Speaker 8: I think so too.
Speaker 12: I feel like sending a note to my neighbors saying
Speaker 12: you're welcome.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks, Laurie talking. I'm going to get one more
Speaker 2: in here before the break. We will switch on the
Speaker 2: other side. Let me go to Christine in denhim. Christine,
Speaker 2: you'd have the final word on this one tonight. Go ahead, Christine.
Speaker 13: I just wanted to say, my hot goes out to
Speaker 13: his family. Is so wrong with's what happened. It's so
Speaker 13: sadly right.
Speaker 2: And I think we owe his family I did a gratitude.
Speaker 2: We also owe them transparency, honesty, and integrity, just like
Speaker 2: the laugh that he seemed to have lived.
Speaker 13: Would they ever be to have the FBI investigator?
Speaker 2: Uh? I don't think so. I think that that someone
Speaker 2: like Ed Davis I would trust completely. I trusted Davis
Speaker 2: more than I trust the FBI. At this point, the
Speaker 2: FBI has become a very politicized agency in my opinion.
Speaker 2: That's not to call in a question the integrity of
Speaker 2: individual FBI agents, but I just think that the you know,
Speaker 2: there for a long time, the the FBI needs to
Speaker 2: clean house in that that's a different story. That's a
Speaker 2: different story.
Speaker 13: Yeah, thanks Christine, they would need to do I wasn't sure.
Speaker 2: Thanks so much. We'll tell me soon. Okay, have a
Speaker 2: great night today. By the way, the Teams does Union
Speaker 2: chose not to endorse. It's an amazing, interesting development and
Speaker 2: it will have political implications. On November fifth, we'll talk
Speaker 2: about it on the other side of the news break
Speaker 2: at eleven. My name's Danray. Stay with us.