Speaker 1: On location and driven by Victor Chrystler Dots G.
Speaker 2: Brown.
Speaker 3: It's Bilified the Bill Moran Podcast.
Speaker 2: Well, hello and welcome.
Speaker 1: Thanks for getting your pod on. Thank you for telling
a friend. That's how we spread the word about the
pirate ship from the sunny shoes of Rhinebeck, New York. Well,
actually there's no shores here, is there Now? I was
thinking of the Hudson River. You got to get right
on that microphone.
Speaker 2: Hudson River and you're you're pine.
Speaker 1: That's why I was looking out at the out of
the pond. I'm excited because it's a it's a new computer.
There is a computer disaster. Uh, there's been all kinds
of little tiny things this entire trip down. But I
thought it would be fun to do just a short
little podcast with you, my Marge. And by the way,
you're a fan favorite. No, they do. People love you.
People all rite me on time. I love Marge. Mostly
women you know who would be probably old enough to
be your daughter, always like, oh, I love your mom,
she's so cool. So this you can grow up with her.
But there was a podcast recently with old neighbors of
ours and you listen to it and then you sent
me a text and I talked about this and it
said I did care. I did care. I did care,
and I care. Now that's right. Did I say that you.
Speaker 2: Didn't care to accuse me?
Speaker 3: I accuse you, well your parents, Yes, Okay, So Caroline
was saying something about her parents and getting away with
stuff and on that, and you said.
Speaker 2: Mine just didn't care. They didn't care. I could, and
I'm like, oh my god, let me count the way.
Speaker 1: Well, that's a terrible thing to say, but I do
some time. I say that I was like a feral kid.
I just went off and did whatever I wanted. I know,
and you you just rubbed your eyes. But like when
you hear the stories and you hear like the one
that I will always probably take for the rest of
my days on the planet is when I had the
chemistry regions coming up and you're banging on the door
and you're telling me get up and say why your
eyes all blounts. I'm like, oh, I studying all night.
It was six thirty in the morning and you're banging
on the bedroom door and I probably got in an
hour before that. And it's so weird, like how I
go of all the things and all the because Dad
was always on me. But still you kind of realized
that in the hill. I hate hearing this too, but
it was a lot of bluster, and then he didn't
want to do anything.
Speaker 2: That, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: He blustered a lot, would accuse me of things, would
say things, and then just kind of oh yeah, shoo.
Speaker 3: It was like, you know, like the time you tell
me you were on drugs a nnia running to teachers.
Speaker 2: Up at the school, and he never moved out of
his chair.
Speaker 1: No, I don't think I was on I didn't do
drugs regularly at all. I think I liked to drink.
I did drink, and I hung out with the you
know there were but in that school everybody did that.
It seemed like, well, well it seemed like I don't know,
maybe I found the right I'm sure there were people
who didn't. But because I was thinking of you know,
there was a family called the Hisscots, and they were
very very academically inclined and smart and did all kinds
of things, and I think with them, I don't think
they ever did anything like that. Yeah, she didn't. She
went to Yale at a pine plain. She went to Yale, Right, yeah,
because I remember there used to be an old joke,
where'd you go to college? Yeah? Where did you go
to college? Meaning it was like a southern guy, Hey man,
where's you go to college? Yale? Where'd you go to college?
I always found that joke so funny. Nobody else does,
but I always thought it was so clever. I might
have been the guy who did it. I thought it
was a very clever kind of funny joke. But yeah,
they did that, and I don't remember partying with them
and all that stuff, but you know, and then, I
mean even the other day there was a call from
a sibling of mine who told about this great story
how they snuck marijuana into a concert and then got
so stoned and lost their friends. And I just wonder, like,
what does it feel like when you hear those stories?
Is it like hearing about a character in a book
because there's nothing you can do about it? Do you
really does it register? Do you worry? Is there? I'm
curious because I now have Jameson living with me, who's
very much of a kindred spirit to me, and I'm
sure there would be all kinds of tom foolery. I
think a little more, a little more cautious. He's a
little more cautious in certain areas than I was. But
what goes through your head when you hear the or
is there Tom Walter replacing Booze?
Speaker 2: Well they're still alive and they've done well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess that's the way to think about it. Yeah,
because in a way I also think like there was
a real independence well.
Speaker 3: Everybody, yes, maybe, but I'm not going to go on
about that.
Speaker 1: What do you mean, like I meant like free spirit Yeah,
like the free spirited independence you just kind of do
to Was that not good?
Speaker 2: I'm just stick to my word. They're alive and they
did well.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, that's true. That is true. Well, I mean
think back, you guys did crazy things. I think we're
coming up on the what was it the fiftieth anniversary
or the fifty fifth anniversary text that's streaking of the
Streaking God.
Speaker 2: But I was twenty four years.
Speaker 1: Well, five years old, right, six or seven? Yeah, So
because Dad always says, I want I want their grandkids
to know, because I can't think of anything grosser than
picture and your grandkid grandparents streaking fifty years.
Speaker 2: He was a chicken. He hardly get out.
Speaker 1: I oh, he did say that.
Speaker 2: I was getting into it. Are you going to lose
your job?
Speaker 1: Well, he thought. I thought there was a story too
where you thought Grandpa ed your dad had busted you
in the streaking where there was streakers at a parade,
and he went on about how disgusting, and you got
yourself all nervous as though that he found out somehow
that you were streaking. And this was that shitty parenting
way of trying to get you to admit whatever it was,
that's so funny. But because I don't know, I was,
you know, I was an adult and a mother or yourself.
But you wouldn't want to no, no, I guess I
wouldn't now want to embarrass my parents. I mean that
took till about fifty so. But see the problem with
the like the podcast and radio was I always just
it was always just me and whoever was in front
of me. I didn't think about who would actually listen,
because if I did, I probably wouldn't have said a
lot of the things that I did. And I and
they were just so funny and adventures, and you know,
you were kind of it grew up like Tom Sawyer
in a sense, like a modern day Tom Sawyer, and
you were able to just go to tell those stories.
Was fun. But if I stopped to think, oh my god,
my mom will hear this, I don't not say anything.
I had never even crossed my mind. I never thought
about it. I'd just let it go. And the great
thing was, for years the radio, you couldn't get it
here where you are right, and then until it started
going on the internet and stuff, and then I would
get calls. I got called ODO, but I got calls.
I got calls about people being very uh, he was
not happy. I think I was threatened with the lawsuit ones.
Speaker 3: I have a certified letter that I have saved, well
certified letters that have flown through the family vans.
Speaker 1: I have a certified letter that I saved that was
a threat, and I don't even know where else it went.
I think it might have gone to the FCC and
to me, He's not gonna know, but no, but yeah,
I think I got that, and I just and the
only thing what I realized in that moment was I
don't want to hurt anybody. I never wanted to hurt anybody.
You used to always say, what about a laugh?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you never get a laugh off somebody else's back.
That's not funny. Somebody that's truly funny. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But I love like busting balls and ripping on people,
and as long as they're in on the game too.
Speaker 2: But if it makes them feel good, that's.
Speaker 1: Well sometimes it does sometimes yeah, but it's mean. Well
then they need to grow spine, they need to be there.
They're okay with that sort of. But we had great teachers.
We had a great teacher at all that. No, no, no,
you were always very very kind. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and my family.
Speaker 1: Was off too. Oh oh yes, yeah, maybe we should.
I wish we could have a whole uncensored your sweating,
are you you just got to hit with a hot flash?
It's not he got all nervous. I'm well, there's people
that listen. Yeah, you wouldn't want I never wanted to
hurt anybody, and so that was my thing. And even
as a kid, I didn't want to hurt anybody. I
loved having a great time busting stones, running around, you know,
doing different things all you know.
Speaker 3: But I thought, like I still think it was a
good place to grow up. And I think you didn't realize.
Speaker 1: Of course he didn't every kid hates.
Speaker 3: No, No, I know that, but I mean, like Joe
was saying, looking back now and all, yes, in a
bad place. And it was a small tan, So I
I knew a lot of the things where you were.
I could find things out.
Speaker 1: You could, yes, what always would weird me out? And
I didn't know if I was real good at getting
away with it or not. But there was a family
who lived up the street, the Murray's, and I was
friends with Michael, and we used to steal his older
brother's cigarettes and we would run off into the woods
and then I would come home and I could smell
it on me, so I'd run right to the bathroom
brush my teeth. I might whip off and change his
shirt real quick and come out and no one ever.
Speaker 2: Noticed, which is funny because Dad was.
Speaker 1: A yeah, no, no, no, he was yeah, and we
were up. But that wasn't often. It was probably like
a little about Jameson's age, maybe a little younger, and
we did that sort of stuff. I'm trying to There
was nothing too out. Nothing that I would say would
be out of bounds for the age is what it was,
you know, out of bounds for the age would be
the thing you know, but out of all three of us,
did you worry the most about Kevin? See, I think
it's called leading the witness. It was probably me.
Speaker 2: I gotta think if you live the way, Kate.
Speaker 3: Was pretty I think she did her own things in
her own Yeah, but she didn't see.
Speaker 2: What I always said is the oh see.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm okay with I always say with girls, they
go head to head with you. You two, Kevin would
give me oh the yes, yes, yes, you know, but
you went ahead and did whatever you want to. But
Katie really didn't. Sometimes she would argue and go and
we would go and I'm not you know, make you
defend why you're saying this and all. But then she
would do what she was told to, right down to
the helmet on the bike. She you know, all of
a sudden, the helmet lure came in and we were
all riding a lot, and we said, do you have
to wear a helmet? She said, I'm not wearing a
helmet and you can't ride.
Speaker 2: That's okay. She's never ridden her bike again.
Speaker 1: You're kidding. Wow, she is stubborn.
Speaker 3: Yeah, She'll always say you can make the rules.
Speaker 2: But you know, she didn't say you don't have to
follow them. She would follow them.
Speaker 3: But you're getting my point, Like the rule was okay,
so she wasn't breaking it.
Speaker 2: She didn't write anymore.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, yeah, that's very No, I don't think she
has Wow, that's the that's that's well. Mean Katie did
things like I think my dad said, if you don't
come in and clean up this room, I'm going to
take the door off. So he did end up taking
the door off, and then she sat in her underwear
at the door and he got so upset that he
put the door back on because he just wanted it's
my room.
Speaker 2: I can do what I want in my room.
Speaker 1: Wow. See I didn't have that. I would go down
to just clean up my room, but then I'd sneak
out the window when no one was looking.
Speaker 2: Never, Dad, I didn't know that you were going out
the window.
Speaker 1: Yeah I didn't know. No window. Yeah, well I was, yeah,
skinnier and it just popped right up, boom, gone off
for the venor. But I mean, now, I think of
all the things that could have gone bad. And you're
talking they're not roads, they're cart pads, and you know,
inexperienced drivers and wildlife and you know what I mean,
from deer to possum, whatever raccoon runs out, who knows
what the person behind the wheel is going to do?
And those are all things. But you survived it and
you get great stories to tell for it. I guess
it's kind of the thing. But you know, even with
the Waltzes, they were wonderful neighbors. And I think we're
highly entertained by us. I do. I think they were
entertained by Kevin Day in particular.
Speaker 2: But you know, yes, I think they were.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but Matthew, well he was, but yes he was,
but he was older than me, he was five years older.
So I think by that time, I think that what
was a music is uh, you could see it for
the amusement with how any having an attachment to the
consequence there was no consequence. Yeah, well it all it
was was not to drink it at a party. It
was to replace what had been consumed. It was not
they he would never do, which really I mean when
you think about it was for you guys, but we
had already drunk the other Yes, well the bad part
was like I didn't have the party the one time. Yeah,
and then the kids came.
Speaker 3: In that part that part kind of gets to me. Yeah,
my house was being violated, violated, guys sitting.
Speaker 1: In the house shooting the baby guns.
Speaker 2: But you know they could have gone through taking stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they didn't know.
Speaker 2: They didn't.
Speaker 1: They didn't because they weren't there for that. They were
there to drink my beer and hang out with me,
but I wasn't there. So they just drank my beer
and hung out. And that was it. That part get
right up on that microphone.
Speaker 3: That's probably the part that really does. When I hear them,
I go, oh my god, these kids were all in
my house.
Speaker 1: Well, these kids would even there was a time where
they were thought that we weren't home. They thought I
was home alone, and they got into the garage and
they were coming up the garage steps and they could
hear Dad and they took off running.
Speaker 2: God, well, it was like a club house.
Speaker 1: It was when you left, Yes, when you left. There
was a time where I shouldn't even admit this, but
it was. It was me. Chris Brenner, Dave Blackmore, and
Jeff Cotch basically lived there. And then his girlfriend would
come over and her friends. We'd all hang out and
then we went to breakfast at the at the diner
in Poughkeepsie. Then we came back. Yeah, there was all
kinds because that was the time when I got very
embarrassed because I got up and went to the bathroom
and I don't I think the bill was coming, and
I had laid money down and I come back and
they're all outside and they're pointing and laughing, and the
waitresses at the table and somebody had whipped out of
a condom and shoved the breakfast sausages in the condom
and left it on the table. And I walk up
and she looks at me and goes nice, and I
went what And I, oh my god. And they're outside
the window point and then laughing. Then we were seven, sixteen, seventeen, seventeen,
eighteen years old, seventeen about seventeen. That was, uh, well,
I think, I mean I was saying to you earlier.
I don't know that ever in my life until now
with Jamison, that I ever really felt like a true adult,
because everything was I just kind of floated through, you know.
I floated through all the radio stuff. I floated through
and everything seemed to always work out, and I didn't
really stress. I would get myself a little worked up
from time to time, but then you would always kind
of straighten up and fly right and would work out
out and super fine. I don't know. It was always
uh I loved growing up there, but it was it
is one that you, uh, I would worry about my kids,
you know, I worry about Jamison. Yeah, like you know
Fairport and he has He's so funny, but he has
a real sense of Uh he's cautious. He's cautious, doesn't
really like fast things. Although that's not exactly true. I
don't think that's true. I'm thinking of the wrong guy.
He does. He because he was telling me about ATVs
and so there's all that he's got, all that. I
don't know any tips for fourteen. Fourteen is a tough age.
Speaker 3: Four is a very tough yeah, you know, just with
high school, right starting high school feer pressure, yeah, China,
I think, and I think he has a big adjustment.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think being a supportive be in there and you know,
like a schedule, you know, because he is not on
the siblings.
Speaker 1: Bouncing right, I mean right, just him, just.
Speaker 3: Him and then friends probably keeping him involved in the sports,
which is no big deal because he.
Speaker 1: Loves Yeah, he does. I think that there's a the
coach at its new school is also a motivational speaker
and speaks to the kids, and I'd like to get
a lot like push you into that. Well, my whole
thing is I feel like a bit like a matador
and that I don't. Well, here's why I say give
that analogy because I don't want to be. I can't
come in heavy handed. I haven't been in your every
day for four years, ye right, and anytime we've been together,
and I think I made the mistake. And probably I
don't know if I said it to him, but it
certainly got repeated to him. I feel more like your
uncle than your dad, because you can't always discipline because
you know you're not there and you're not looking at
the fight. So there was a little more leeway and
jokes and things that he would do that you just
wouldn't really do with your dad. And I would say
to him at times, I'm not I'm not your buddy,
I'm your dad. But I when I say like a matador,
I feel like it's kind of like, hey, come over here,
head this way, like I'm waving the rest, you know,
come over here, come over here. And then I lift
it up and it's a motivational coach, or it's a
basketball thing, or it's a workout, or it's a you know,
somebody who's going to have a positive impact, you know,
because there's so much other stuff, and you know, the
phone is non stop with that guy, right, so you
got to learn, you know, limits and all that. But
it's been a couple of days and so it's one
of these things where you want to I don't want to.
I don't want to say like I'm dipping my tone,
but I would say I'm waiting in. Yeah, right, I'm
waiting in slowly to make sure that there's established trust,
established boundary. And as we get further in and more
things happen, and more activities in school gets really going
and we've got homework and things like that, that I
think it will give you a much more clear picture.
But yeah, at the moment, it's been kind of that way,
you know.
Speaker 3: But he's happy to be here, so yes, you know,
and he's looking forward, but I think his apprehensive.
Speaker 1: Too, oh yeah, which is normal. Yeah. Well, I think
he liked hearing because you and Dad were teachers, and
Dad had called a little while ago and said to him,
you know, the teachers are just as nervous, and he
went really and he said, yeah, because you don't know
what kind of kids you're going to get you're going
to be. Is this a group that you're going to
be able to get through to or are they going
to be misbehaving all the time You're going to be
you know that that sort of thing. So, and I
think a lot of times too, if you're it becomes
a group mentality, right, So if some kids all of
a sudden can kind of I think a few kids
can dictate which way things can go. You know, will
we tolerate the silly and the funny? Will we support
that through laughter? Will we just ignore that guy? Right?
And that goes a long way. But I don't know
how that'll all all shake out.
Speaker 2: It's a lot.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I didn't think it was at first, but
you know, after laptops and different things have been like boy,
oh boy, well well this one will just be nice
and short. Is there anything else you'd like to add? Like,
were there things that you felt like you were misrepresented
in any way?
Speaker 2: I do not think you want me to go there?
Speaker 1: What do you mean misrepresented by me? On the podcast.
No on the podcast, did I ever misrepresent I didn't
think I did. You've been on several times. Oh yeah, yeah,
we've chatted, You've been in the studio, we've set up here,
we came down here. I wasn't expecting to do a pug.
Speaker 3: My god, what kind of mother was I? You know,
as you're listening to that some of that stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I didn't say anything about no.
Speaker 3: But you just, you know, think what parent parent wouldn't
know the kids crawling out a window?
Speaker 1: Well, there was a great benefit to that. The benefit
was that my brother and sister are a number of
years younger. Katie's five years younger than me, and then
Kevin is only two years behind her. So they were
a team and a lot of the attention on certain
things was them. But I didn't have a sibling who
would get mad at me. That was close days ago.
Well to mom and dad, you stuck out, right, but
they would do that to each other. So there wasn't
any of those checks and balances and right with Jamison,
and so I think like that that's what made that
stuff easier. And then I could kind of be my
own guy and whenever you know it got to a
certain point when there was a lot of attention and
it was people were laughing and stuff. I would just
keep going and going, so it made very popular or
very unpopular. But I think my favorite recent dadism, I
don't know if I want to call it dadism, that's
not fair. But he called me and he said, uh,
you know, there were many people who didn't know that
Kate and Kevin wore your sibling, and when they found out,
they were quite shocked and not not always in the
best way, which meant that I was the asshole you
didn't want your kids hanging out with. But Katie and
Kevin were nice kids. They were they were part of
the school place and ship, and I wasn't. And that
it was just funny.
Speaker 3: It was just funny because I had forget it was funny.
Speaker 2: But I don't see that it's true.
Speaker 1: I'm sure there were some families that didn't tea Yeah, yeah,
good friends, but I never had any of them. Yeah,
but they were like, yeah, so they don't. I don't
think they had an accurate picture of and I In
class and stuff, I would either, I would participate. I
enjoyed the reading. I was if you know, the class
didn't really interest me. I'd be stayed more quiet. But
other than that, I didn't really act out in class.
It was in the hallways in between, and it was
more the after hour stuff. I love the social aspect
of school. I didn't give a shit about the school.
The rest of it was, you know, there was all
kinds of things.
Speaker 3: But I mean, I've never heard that in reputations go
down the line.
Speaker 1: Yeah no, well there probably on some people. Oh god,
oh really, because you know, well, look we ran into
uh where you live. A friend of mine's dad lives
that I had grown up with, and he hadn't been
a trooper. I used to call her all the time.
Do you think your dad could get me out of
this ticket? And I think he did help somebody. You
might have helped once. You might have helped me once.
I don't remember. I think there was actually, now that
I think about it, I think there was one time,
one time that there was something. Yeah, he was and
I saw him this morning when I was on a walk. Yeah,
we just did a well he's you know, he's a
former state trip. But they don't talk a lot, you
know what I mean, if you put him back of
the hat he's still he must pull people over in
a sleep or do whatever. I don't know, but I
think he rose up in the ranks too, because I
don't think he was. I think he was behind a
desk for a while. But either way that there was
lots of adventures. I didn't want to have you misrepresented,
and I didn't want I didn't. I never thought you
didn't care. I guess my thing was like, uh, they cared,
but they weren't tuned into what was happening. So it
was like you weren't up our butts. You weren't, you
know what I mean? He was at time so certain things,
school or whatever. But then after a while I was
I just and I saw, I just saw the weak spots,
and I knew where to go. I knew if I
did this, and I zigged here and I zagged there.
It was all good. What was it? And Grandpa, your
father saved me on graduation day. I don't know whether
it's shake your head or kick your so it's graduation.
Let him go, let them go. It's the greatest, the
greatest ever, oh so much fun. When I look back
at this stuff now, I laugh, and I think I
believe everybody's doing the best they can in the moment,
and you don't know what else is going on. And
I used to I look at parents now, or look
at how I've interacted with peers, and my parents seem
so much more parental and adult than I have ever
felt or acted. I's not out with Damien. I mean,
I was gonna do a whole thing of Goodbye to
Summer twenty twenty four, and it was just me passed
out in different places and I know, oh, but I
don't remember that as like you guys weren't doing that. No,
And well, no, it's not fifty what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: It was like a lot of fifty three.
Speaker 1: I was your grandmother, were you? Oh yeah, wow, look
at that yep, Jackson, Jackson, Yeah, Jackson. It was going
to be twenty four. Yeah, what's that? Who we all
will use? Yeah it he'll be twenty four. Yeah, yeah,
you might be a little off.
Speaker 3: No, fifty three you were twenty four seventy seven, yeah,
fifty three.
Speaker 1: Wow. Well, hopefully I don't have the same luck as you.
That would be it. That would be the that would
be the thing. And there we go. That's it.
Speaker 4: This is my final side by by, for Mo Marge,
who was right on the shores of a pond, and
who did care then and cares now.
Speaker 1: I'm her son, Bill Moran, will see you tomorrow. I
woke up in the hotel, didn't know what to do.
Speaker 4: I turn a TV on, rule
Speaker 1: A letter to you, and the talk didn't by a
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