1 00:00:03,759 --> 00:00:06,759 Speaker 1: On location and driven by Victor Chrystler Dots G. 2 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:07,320 Speaker 2: Brown. 3 00:00:07,719 --> 00:00:10,759 Speaker 3: It's Bilified the Bill Moran Podcast. 4 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:26,399 Speaker 2: Well, hello and welcome. 5 00:00:26,519 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 1: Thanks for getting your pod on. Thank you for telling 6 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:30,920 a friend. That's how we spread the word about the 7 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:35,759 pirate ship from the sunny shoes of Rhinebeck, New York. Well, 8 00:00:35,759 --> 00:00:38,039 actually there's no shores here, is there Now? I was 9 00:00:38,079 --> 00:00:39,759 thinking of the Hudson River. You got to get right 10 00:00:39,799 --> 00:00:40,479 on that microphone. 11 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:42,719 Speaker 2: Hudson River and you're you're pine. 12 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:44,560 Speaker 1: That's why I was looking out at the out of 13 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:47,920 the pond. I'm excited because it's a it's a new computer. 14 00:00:48,439 --> 00:00:52,240 There is a computer disaster. Uh, there's been all kinds 15 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:55,479 of little tiny things this entire trip down. But I 16 00:00:55,679 --> 00:00:57,439 thought it would be fun to do just a short 17 00:00:57,439 --> 00:01:02,200 little podcast with you, my Marge. And by the way, 18 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:05,159 you're a fan favorite. No, they do. People love you. 19 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:07,719 People all rite me on time. I love Marge. Mostly 20 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:11,920 women you know who would be probably old enough to 21 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:13,560 be your daughter, always like, oh, I love your mom, 22 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:16,200 she's so cool. So this you can grow up with her. 23 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:22,280 But there was a podcast recently with old neighbors of 24 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:26,439 ours and you listen to it and then you sent 25 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:29,519 me a text and I talked about this and it 26 00:01:29,599 --> 00:01:34,159 said I did care. I did care. I did care, 27 00:01:34,519 --> 00:01:38,439 and I care. Now that's right. Did I say that you. 28 00:01:38,359 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 2: Didn't care to accuse me? 29 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:44,680 Speaker 3: I accuse you, well your parents, Yes, Okay, So Caroline 30 00:01:44,799 --> 00:01:48,280 was saying something about her parents and getting away with 31 00:01:48,359 --> 00:01:49,719 stuff and on that, and you said. 32 00:01:49,799 --> 00:01:53,599 Speaker 2: Mine just didn't care. They didn't care. I could, and 33 00:01:53,719 --> 00:01:56,640 I'm like, oh my god, let me count the way. 34 00:01:57,480 --> 00:01:59,719 Speaker 1: Well, that's a terrible thing to say, but I do 35 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:01,480 some time. I say that I was like a feral kid. 36 00:02:01,519 --> 00:02:03,599 I just went off and did whatever I wanted. I know, 37 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:06,879 and you you just rubbed your eyes. But like when 38 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:09,680 you hear the stories and you hear like the one 39 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:13,840 that I will always probably take for the rest of 40 00:02:13,879 --> 00:02:18,199 my days on the planet is when I had the 41 00:02:18,319 --> 00:02:20,479 chemistry regions coming up and you're banging on the door 42 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:22,080 and you're telling me get up and say why your 43 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:24,360 eyes all blounts. I'm like, oh, I studying all night. 44 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:27,840 It was six thirty in the morning and you're banging 45 00:02:27,879 --> 00:02:31,199 on the bedroom door and I probably got in an 46 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:34,479 hour before that. And it's so weird, like how I 47 00:02:34,479 --> 00:02:38,319 go of all the things and all the because Dad 48 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:42,280 was always on me. But still you kind of realized 49 00:02:42,319 --> 00:02:44,039 that in the hill. I hate hearing this too, but 50 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:45,879 it was a lot of bluster, and then he didn't 51 00:02:45,879 --> 00:02:47,319 want to do anything. 52 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 2: That, you know what I mean. 53 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:53,879 Speaker 1: He blustered a lot, would accuse me of things, would 54 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:56,360 say things, and then just kind of oh yeah, shoo. 55 00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:58,759 Speaker 3: It was like, you know, like the time you tell 56 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:03,080 me you were on drugs a nnia running to teachers. 57 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:04,080 Speaker 2: Up at the school, and he never moved out of 58 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:04,520 his chair. 59 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:07,919 Speaker 1: No, I don't think I was on I didn't do 60 00:03:08,039 --> 00:03:10,960 drugs regularly at all. I think I liked to drink. 61 00:03:11,199 --> 00:03:12,960 I did drink, and I hung out with the you 62 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:16,560 know there were but in that school everybody did that. 63 00:03:17,439 --> 00:03:22,159 It seemed like, well, well it seemed like I don't know, 64 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:24,199 maybe I found the right I'm sure there were people 65 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:27,120 who didn't. But because I was thinking of you know, 66 00:03:27,159 --> 00:03:29,560 there was a family called the Hisscots, and they were 67 00:03:29,879 --> 00:03:34,520 very very academically inclined and smart and did all kinds 68 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:40,199 of things, and I think with them, I don't think 69 00:03:40,199 --> 00:03:43,199 they ever did anything like that. Yeah, she didn't. She 70 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:49,759 went to Yale at a pine plain. She went to Yale, Right, yeah, 71 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:52,400 because I remember there used to be an old joke, 72 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:56,680 where'd you go to college? Yeah? Where did you go 73 00:03:56,759 --> 00:04:00,960 to college? Meaning it was like a southern guy, Hey man, 74 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:05,120 where's you go to college? Yale? Where'd you go to college? 75 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:07,240 I always found that joke so funny. Nobody else does, 76 00:04:07,439 --> 00:04:09,599 but I always thought it was so clever. I might 77 00:04:09,599 --> 00:04:10,800 have been the guy who did it. I thought it 78 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:13,039 was a very clever kind of funny joke. But yeah, 79 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:15,400 they did that, and I don't remember partying with them 80 00:04:15,439 --> 00:04:17,480 and all that stuff, but you know, and then, I 81 00:04:17,519 --> 00:04:19,199 mean even the other day there was a call from 82 00:04:19,399 --> 00:04:21,800 a sibling of mine who told about this great story 83 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:24,480 how they snuck marijuana into a concert and then got 84 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:28,759 so stoned and lost their friends. And I just wonder, like, 85 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:31,639 what does it feel like when you hear those stories? 86 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:34,399 Is it like hearing about a character in a book 87 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:36,639 because there's nothing you can do about it? Do you 88 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:39,720 really does it register? Do you worry? Is there? I'm 89 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:42,680 curious because I now have Jameson living with me, who's 90 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:46,920 very much of a kindred spirit to me, and I'm 91 00:04:46,959 --> 00:04:49,160 sure there would be all kinds of tom foolery. I 92 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:53,480 think a little more, a little more cautious. He's a 93 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:55,519 little more cautious in certain areas than I was. But 94 00:04:56,800 --> 00:05:00,120 what goes through your head when you hear the or 95 00:05:00,319 --> 00:05:02,120 is there Tom Walter replacing Booze? 96 00:05:02,759 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 2: Well they're still alive and they've done well. 97 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:08,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess that's the way to think about it. Yeah, 98 00:05:08,959 --> 00:05:11,000 because in a way I also think like there was 99 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:12,879 a real independence well. 100 00:05:12,759 --> 00:05:16,720 Speaker 3: Everybody, yes, maybe, but I'm not going to go on 101 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:17,279 about that. 102 00:05:17,399 --> 00:05:19,759 Speaker 1: What do you mean, like I meant like free spirit Yeah, 103 00:05:19,879 --> 00:05:22,000 like the free spirited independence you just kind of do 104 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:22,959 to Was that not good? 105 00:05:24,959 --> 00:05:28,040 Speaker 2: I'm just stick to my word. They're alive and they 106 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:28,480 did well. 107 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, that's true. That is true. Well, I mean 108 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:33,040 think back, you guys did crazy things. I think we're 109 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:35,360 coming up on the what was it the fiftieth anniversary 110 00:05:35,439 --> 00:05:38,560 or the fifty fifth anniversary text that's streaking of the 111 00:05:38,639 --> 00:05:40,639 Streaking God. 112 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:43,199 Speaker 2: But I was twenty four years. 113 00:05:42,879 --> 00:05:46,879 Speaker 1: Well, five years old, right, six or seven? Yeah, So 114 00:05:47,079 --> 00:05:50,240 because Dad always says, I want I want their grandkids 115 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:52,120 to know, because I can't think of anything grosser than 116 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:57,879 picture and your grandkid grandparents streaking fifty years. 117 00:05:58,279 --> 00:05:59,720 Speaker 2: He was a chicken. He hardly get out. 118 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 1: I oh, he did say that. 119 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:08,040 Speaker 2: I was getting into it. Are you going to lose 120 00:06:08,079 --> 00:06:08,519 your job? 121 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:11,480 Speaker 1: Well, he thought. I thought there was a story too 122 00:06:12,199 --> 00:06:17,439 where you thought Grandpa ed your dad had busted you 123 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:22,600 in the streaking where there was streakers at a parade, 124 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:25,040 and he went on about how disgusting, and you got 125 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:28,480 yourself all nervous as though that he found out somehow 126 00:06:28,519 --> 00:06:31,560 that you were streaking. And this was that shitty parenting 127 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:33,920 way of trying to get you to admit whatever it was, 128 00:06:34,439 --> 00:06:37,680 that's so funny. But because I don't know, I was, 129 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:41,959 you know, I was an adult and a mother or yourself. 130 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:46,240 But you wouldn't want to no, no, I guess I 131 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:48,360 wouldn't now want to embarrass my parents. I mean that 132 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:52,399 took till about fifty so. But see the problem with 133 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:55,600 the like the podcast and radio was I always just 134 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:59,000 it was always just me and whoever was in front 135 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:01,439 of me. I didn't think about who would actually listen, 136 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:03,839 because if I did, I probably wouldn't have said a 137 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:06,800 lot of the things that I did. And I and 138 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:10,000 they were just so funny and adventures, and you know, 139 00:07:10,079 --> 00:07:12,160 you were kind of it grew up like Tom Sawyer 140 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:14,800 in a sense, like a modern day Tom Sawyer, and 141 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:17,360 you were able to just go to tell those stories. 142 00:07:17,519 --> 00:07:19,759 Was fun. But if I stopped to think, oh my god, 143 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:22,160 my mom will hear this, I don't not say anything. 144 00:07:22,959 --> 00:07:25,959 I had never even crossed my mind. I never thought 145 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:27,920 about it. I'd just let it go. And the great 146 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:30,519 thing was, for years the radio, you couldn't get it 147 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:33,680 here where you are right, and then until it started 148 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:35,240 going on the internet and stuff, and then I would 149 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:39,879 get calls. I got called ODO, but I got calls. 150 00:07:40,199 --> 00:07:43,720 I got calls about people being very uh, he was 151 00:07:43,759 --> 00:07:46,759 not happy. I think I was threatened with the lawsuit ones. 152 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:52,079 Speaker 3: I have a certified letter that I have saved, well 153 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:55,279 certified letters that have flown through the family vans. 154 00:07:55,519 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 1: I have a certified letter that I saved that was 155 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:02,199 a threat, and I don't even know where else it went. 156 00:08:02,279 --> 00:08:04,199 I think it might have gone to the FCC and 157 00:08:04,319 --> 00:08:12,959 to me, He's not gonna know, but no, but yeah, 158 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:15,439 I think I got that, and I just and the 159 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:17,800 only thing what I realized in that moment was I 160 00:08:17,839 --> 00:08:20,800 don't want to hurt anybody. I never wanted to hurt anybody. 161 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:23,279 You used to always say, what about a laugh? 162 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:26,199 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you never get a laugh off somebody else's back. 163 00:08:26,279 --> 00:08:30,639 That's not funny. Somebody that's truly funny. Yeah. 164 00:08:30,639 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 1: But I love like busting balls and ripping on people, 165 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:35,639 and as long as they're in on the game too. 166 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:37,679 Speaker 2: But if it makes them feel good, that's. 167 00:08:37,919 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 1: Well sometimes it does sometimes yeah, but it's mean. Well 168 00:08:41,159 --> 00:08:44,200 then they need to grow spine, they need to be there. 169 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:49,200 They're okay with that sort of. But we had great teachers. 170 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:53,120 We had a great teacher at all that. No, no, no, 171 00:08:53,159 --> 00:08:56,639 you were always very very kind. Yeah. 172 00:08:57,039 --> 00:08:59,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, and my family. 173 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:04,039 Speaker 1: Was off too. Oh oh yes, yeah, maybe we should. 174 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:11,200 I wish we could have a whole uncensored your sweating, 175 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:13,519 are you you just got to hit with a hot flash? 176 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:16,639 It's not he got all nervous. I'm well, there's people 177 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:19,639 that listen. Yeah, you wouldn't want I never wanted to 178 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:23,200 hurt anybody, and so that was my thing. And even 179 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:25,600 as a kid, I didn't want to hurt anybody. I 180 00:09:25,639 --> 00:09:29,200 loved having a great time busting stones, running around, you know, 181 00:09:29,279 --> 00:09:31,879 doing different things all you know. 182 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:36,200 Speaker 3: But I thought, like I still think it was a 183 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:38,840 good place to grow up. And I think you didn't realize. 184 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:40,919 Speaker 1: Of course he didn't every kid hates. 185 00:09:41,039 --> 00:09:43,919 Speaker 3: No, No, I know that, but I mean, like Joe 186 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:45,879 was saying, looking back now and all, yes, in a 187 00:09:45,919 --> 00:09:49,639 bad place. And it was a small tan, So I 188 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:52,759 I knew a lot of the things where you were. 189 00:09:52,879 --> 00:09:54,919 I could find things out. 190 00:09:55,279 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 1: You could, yes, what always would weird me out? And 191 00:09:58,919 --> 00:10:00,679 I didn't know if I was real good at getting 192 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:04,240 away with it or not. But there was a family 193 00:10:04,279 --> 00:10:06,679 who lived up the street, the Murray's, and I was 194 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:10,919 friends with Michael, and we used to steal his older 195 00:10:10,919 --> 00:10:14,600 brother's cigarettes and we would run off into the woods 196 00:10:14,639 --> 00:10:17,559 and then I would come home and I could smell 197 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:19,399 it on me, so I'd run right to the bathroom 198 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:22,320 brush my teeth. I might whip off and change his 199 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:24,799 shirt real quick and come out and no one ever. 200 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:28,159 Speaker 2: Noticed, which is funny because Dad was. 201 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:33,440 Speaker 1: A yeah, no, no, no, he was yeah, and we 202 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:36,120 were up. But that wasn't often. It was probably like 203 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:39,360 a little about Jameson's age, maybe a little younger, and 204 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:41,480 we did that sort of stuff. I'm trying to There 205 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:44,919 was nothing too out. Nothing that I would say would 206 00:10:44,919 --> 00:10:47,480 be out of bounds for the age is what it was, 207 00:10:47,639 --> 00:10:49,480 you know, out of bounds for the age would be 208 00:10:49,519 --> 00:10:51,799 the thing you know, but out of all three of us, 209 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:57,159 did you worry the most about Kevin? See, I think 210 00:10:57,159 --> 00:11:03,120 it's called leading the witness. It was probably me. 211 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:06,559 Speaker 2: I gotta think if you live the way, Kate. 212 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:08,559 Speaker 3: Was pretty I think she did her own things in 213 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:11,519 her own Yeah, but she didn't see. 214 00:11:11,519 --> 00:11:14,759 Speaker 2: What I always said is the oh see. 215 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:19,919 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm okay with I always say with girls, they 216 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:23,480 go head to head with you. You two, Kevin would 217 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:26,240 give me oh the yes, yes, yes, you know, but 218 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:29,120 you went ahead and did whatever you want to. But 219 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:33,440 Katie really didn't. Sometimes she would argue and go and 220 00:11:33,519 --> 00:11:35,360 we would go and I'm not you know, make you 221 00:11:35,399 --> 00:11:37,440 defend why you're saying this and all. But then she 222 00:11:37,519 --> 00:11:40,879 would do what she was told to, right down to 223 00:11:40,919 --> 00:11:44,440 the helmet on the bike. She you know, all of 224 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:46,519 a sudden, the helmet lure came in and we were 225 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:48,360 all riding a lot, and we said, do you have 226 00:11:48,399 --> 00:11:49,879 to wear a helmet? She said, I'm not wearing a 227 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:52,480 helmet and you can't ride. 228 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:54,759 Speaker 2: That's okay. She's never ridden her bike again. 229 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 1: You're kidding. Wow, she is stubborn. 230 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:02,799 Speaker 3: Yeah, She'll always say you can make the rules. 231 00:12:02,919 --> 00:12:06,799 Speaker 2: But you know, she didn't say you don't have to 232 00:12:06,799 --> 00:12:08,840 follow them. She would follow them. 233 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:12,159 Speaker 3: But you're getting my point, Like the rule was okay, 234 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:13,240 so she wasn't breaking it. 235 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:14,759 Speaker 2: She didn't write anymore. 236 00:12:14,399 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, yeah, that's very No, I don't think she 237 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:24,720 has Wow, that's the that's that's well. Mean Katie did 238 00:12:24,759 --> 00:12:26,879 things like I think my dad said, if you don't 239 00:12:26,879 --> 00:12:29,600 come in and clean up this room, I'm going to 240 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:33,120 take the door off. So he did end up taking 241 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:36,960 the door off, and then she sat in her underwear 242 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:40,039 at the door and he got so upset that he 243 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:42,519 put the door back on because he just wanted it's 244 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:42,919 my room. 245 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 2: I can do what I want in my room. 246 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:48,399 Speaker 1: Wow. See I didn't have that. I would go down 247 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:49,840 to just clean up my room, but then I'd sneak 248 00:12:49,879 --> 00:12:51,000 out the window when no one was looking. 249 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 2: Never, Dad, I didn't know that you were going out 250 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:53,639 the window. 251 00:12:53,879 --> 00:12:59,159 Speaker 1: Yeah I didn't know. No window. Yeah, well I was, yeah, 252 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:07,080 skinnier and it just popped right up, boom, gone off 253 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:10,519 for the venor. But I mean, now, I think of 254 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:14,200 all the things that could have gone bad. And you're 255 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:18,279 talking they're not roads, they're cart pads, and you know, 256 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:22,200 inexperienced drivers and wildlife and you know what I mean, 257 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:25,840 from deer to possum, whatever raccoon runs out, who knows 258 00:13:25,879 --> 00:13:27,440 what the person behind the wheel is going to do? 259 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:30,919 And those are all things. But you survived it and 260 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:34,519 you get great stories to tell for it. I guess 261 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:36,519 it's kind of the thing. But you know, even with 262 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:40,360 the Waltzes, they were wonderful neighbors. And I think we're 263 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:43,440 highly entertained by us. I do. I think they were 264 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:46,440 entertained by Kevin Day in particular. 265 00:13:46,759 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 2: But you know, yes, I think they were. 266 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:54,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, but Matthew, well he was, but yes he was, 267 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:57,000 but he was older than me, he was five years older. 268 00:13:57,039 --> 00:13:59,320 So I think by that time, I think that what 269 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:02,159 was a music is uh, you could see it for 270 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:05,399 the amusement with how any having an attachment to the 271 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:09,159 consequence there was no consequence. Yeah, well it all it 272 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:11,440 was was not to drink it at a party. It 273 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:17,399 was to replace what had been consumed. It was not 274 00:14:17,879 --> 00:14:20,320 they he would never do, which really I mean when 275 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:23,039 you think about it was for you guys, but we 276 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:25,480 had already drunk the other Yes, well the bad part 277 00:14:25,639 --> 00:14:29,399 was like I didn't have the party the one time. Yeah, 278 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:30,559 and then the kids came. 279 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:34,039 Speaker 3: In that part that part kind of gets to me. Yeah, 280 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:38,519 my house was being violated, violated, guys sitting. 281 00:14:38,159 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 1: In the house shooting the baby guns. 282 00:14:40,559 --> 00:14:43,639 Speaker 2: But you know they could have gone through taking stuff. 283 00:14:43,759 --> 00:14:45,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, they didn't know. 284 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:45,759 Speaker 2: They didn't. 285 00:14:45,799 --> 00:14:47,759 Speaker 1: They didn't because they weren't there for that. They were 286 00:14:47,799 --> 00:14:49,600 there to drink my beer and hang out with me, 287 00:14:49,679 --> 00:14:51,480 but I wasn't there. So they just drank my beer 288 00:14:51,519 --> 00:14:57,159 and hung out. And that was it. That part get 289 00:14:57,200 --> 00:14:58,639 right up on that microphone. 290 00:14:58,799 --> 00:15:02,480 Speaker 3: That's probably the part that really does. When I hear them, 291 00:15:02,519 --> 00:15:04,440 I go, oh my god, these kids were all in 292 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:04,919 my house. 293 00:15:05,039 --> 00:15:07,639 Speaker 1: Well, these kids would even there was a time where 294 00:15:09,759 --> 00:15:12,360 they were thought that we weren't home. They thought I 295 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:15,080 was home alone, and they got into the garage and 296 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:16,600 they were coming up the garage steps and they could 297 00:15:16,639 --> 00:15:18,519 hear Dad and they took off running. 298 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 2: God, well, it was like a club house. 299 00:15:25,519 --> 00:15:28,559 Speaker 1: It was when you left, Yes, when you left. There 300 00:15:28,679 --> 00:15:33,159 was a time where I shouldn't even admit this, but 301 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:36,600 it was. It was me. Chris Brenner, Dave Blackmore, and 302 00:15:36,639 --> 00:15:40,639 Jeff Cotch basically lived there. And then his girlfriend would 303 00:15:40,639 --> 00:15:42,879 come over and her friends. We'd all hang out and 304 00:15:42,919 --> 00:15:45,720 then we went to breakfast at the at the diner 305 00:15:45,799 --> 00:15:51,159 in Poughkeepsie. Then we came back. Yeah, there was all 306 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:53,200 kinds because that was the time when I got very 307 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:56,799 embarrassed because I got up and went to the bathroom 308 00:15:57,639 --> 00:16:00,960 and I don't I think the bill was coming, and 309 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:04,639 I had laid money down and I come back and 310 00:16:04,679 --> 00:16:06,960 they're all outside and they're pointing and laughing, and the 311 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:09,600 waitresses at the table and somebody had whipped out of 312 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:13,679 a condom and shoved the breakfast sausages in the condom 313 00:16:13,759 --> 00:16:16,279 and left it on the table. And I walk up 314 00:16:16,919 --> 00:16:19,080 and she looks at me and goes nice, and I 315 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:21,279 went what And I, oh my god. And they're outside 316 00:16:21,279 --> 00:16:27,559 the window point and then laughing. Then we were seven, sixteen, seventeen, seventeen, 317 00:16:27,559 --> 00:16:33,799 eighteen years old, seventeen about seventeen. That was, uh, well, 318 00:16:33,919 --> 00:16:36,320 I think, I mean I was saying to you earlier. 319 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:39,759 I don't know that ever in my life until now 320 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:43,840 with Jamison, that I ever really felt like a true adult, 321 00:16:44,039 --> 00:16:47,720 because everything was I just kind of floated through, you know. 322 00:16:47,799 --> 00:16:49,759 I floated through all the radio stuff. I floated through 323 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:52,279 and everything seemed to always work out, and I didn't 324 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:55,159 really stress. I would get myself a little worked up 325 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:57,159 from time to time, but then you would always kind 326 00:16:57,159 --> 00:17:00,000 of straighten up and fly right and would work out 327 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:03,360 out and super fine. I don't know. It was always 328 00:17:03,519 --> 00:17:07,240 uh I loved growing up there, but it was it 329 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:10,759 is one that you, uh, I would worry about my kids, 330 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:14,000 you know, I worry about Jamison. Yeah, like you know 331 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:17,799 Fairport and he has He's so funny, but he has 332 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:23,200 a real sense of Uh he's cautious. He's cautious, doesn't 333 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:28,079 really like fast things. Although that's not exactly true. I 334 00:17:28,079 --> 00:17:29,759 don't think that's true. I'm thinking of the wrong guy. 335 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:33,240 He does. He because he was telling me about ATVs 336 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:38,240 and so there's all that he's got, all that. I 337 00:17:38,279 --> 00:17:42,480 don't know any tips for fourteen. Fourteen is a tough age. 338 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:45,720 Speaker 3: Four is a very tough yeah, you know, just with 339 00:17:46,799 --> 00:17:51,279 high school, right starting high school feer pressure, yeah, China, 340 00:17:52,599 --> 00:17:56,359 I think, and I think he has a big adjustment. 341 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 1: Yeah. 342 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:02,079 Speaker 3: I think being a supportive be in there and you know, 343 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:06,440 like a schedule, you know, because he is not on 344 00:18:06,519 --> 00:18:07,599 the siblings. 345 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:10,599 Speaker 1: Bouncing right, I mean right, just him, just. 346 00:18:10,599 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 3: Him and then friends probably keeping him involved in the sports, 347 00:18:15,039 --> 00:18:16,640 which is no big deal because he. 348 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:21,279 Speaker 1: Loves Yeah, he does. I think that there's a the 349 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:25,200 coach at its new school is also a motivational speaker 350 00:18:25,319 --> 00:18:27,759 and speaks to the kids, and I'd like to get 351 00:18:27,759 --> 00:18:31,079 a lot like push you into that. Well, my whole 352 00:18:31,079 --> 00:18:35,599 thing is I feel like a bit like a matador 353 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:39,039 and that I don't. Well, here's why I say give 354 00:18:39,079 --> 00:18:42,319 that analogy because I don't want to be. I can't 355 00:18:42,319 --> 00:18:44,680 come in heavy handed. I haven't been in your every 356 00:18:44,799 --> 00:18:49,279 day for four years, ye right, and anytime we've been together, 357 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:51,279 and I think I made the mistake. And probably I 358 00:18:51,319 --> 00:18:52,400 don't know if I said it to him, but it 359 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:55,000 certainly got repeated to him. I feel more like your 360 00:18:55,079 --> 00:18:59,319 uncle than your dad, because you can't always discipline because 361 00:18:59,839 --> 00:19:02,279 you know you're not there and you're not looking at 362 00:19:02,519 --> 00:19:04,759 the fight. So there was a little more leeway and 363 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:08,279 jokes and things that he would do that you just 364 00:19:08,279 --> 00:19:10,359 wouldn't really do with your dad. And I would say 365 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:12,680 to him at times, I'm not I'm not your buddy, 366 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:16,400 I'm your dad. But I when I say like a matador, 367 00:19:16,519 --> 00:19:18,759 I feel like it's kind of like, hey, come over here, 368 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:21,559 head this way, like I'm waving the rest, you know, 369 00:19:21,599 --> 00:19:23,000 come over here, come over here. And then I lift 370 00:19:23,039 --> 00:19:25,720 it up and it's a motivational coach, or it's a 371 00:19:25,759 --> 00:19:28,599 basketball thing, or it's a workout, or it's a you know, 372 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:34,519 somebody who's going to have a positive impact, you know, 373 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:37,240 because there's so much other stuff, and you know, the 374 00:19:37,319 --> 00:19:40,119 phone is non stop with that guy, right, so you 375 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:43,240 got to learn, you know, limits and all that. But 376 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:46,119 it's been a couple of days and so it's one 377 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:48,799 of these things where you want to I don't want to. 378 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:50,920 I don't want to say like I'm dipping my tone, 379 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:53,920 but I would say I'm waiting in. Yeah, right, I'm 380 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:59,000 waiting in slowly to make sure that there's established trust, 381 00:19:59,079 --> 00:20:01,599 established boundary. And as we get further in and more 382 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:04,640 things happen, and more activities in school gets really going 383 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:06,759 and we've got homework and things like that, that I 384 00:20:06,799 --> 00:20:09,400 think it will give you a much more clear picture. 385 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:12,200 But yeah, at the moment, it's been kind of that way, 386 00:20:12,519 --> 00:20:12,799 you know. 387 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:16,319 Speaker 3: But he's happy to be here, so yes, you know, 388 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:20,880 and he's looking forward, but I think his apprehensive. 389 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:24,640 Speaker 1: Too, oh yeah, which is normal. Yeah. Well, I think 390 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:28,359 he liked hearing because you and Dad were teachers, and 391 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:31,240 Dad had called a little while ago and said to him, 392 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:34,000 you know, the teachers are just as nervous, and he 393 00:20:34,039 --> 00:20:36,440 went really and he said, yeah, because you don't know 394 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:38,599 what kind of kids you're going to get you're going 395 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:39,920 to be. Is this a group that you're going to 396 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:41,119 be able to get through to or are they going 397 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:43,039 to be misbehaving all the time You're going to be 398 00:20:43,519 --> 00:20:46,440 you know that that sort of thing. So, and I 399 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:50,160 think a lot of times too, if you're it becomes 400 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:52,680 a group mentality, right, So if some kids all of 401 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:56,680 a sudden can kind of I think a few kids 402 00:20:56,720 --> 00:21:00,880 can dictate which way things can go. You know, will 403 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:04,240 we tolerate the silly and the funny? Will we support 404 00:21:04,279 --> 00:21:07,640 that through laughter? Will we just ignore that guy? Right? 405 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:09,400 And that goes a long way. But I don't know 406 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:11,920 how that'll all all shake out. 407 00:21:14,839 --> 00:21:15,359 Speaker 2: It's a lot. 408 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:19,119 Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I didn't think it was at first, but 409 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:26,559 you know, after laptops and different things have been like boy, 410 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:30,119 oh boy, well well this one will just be nice 411 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:32,559 and short. Is there anything else you'd like to add? Like, 412 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:37,279 were there things that you felt like you were misrepresented 413 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:37,960 in any way? 414 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:42,119 Speaker 2: I do not think you want me to go there? 415 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:45,839 Speaker 1: What do you mean misrepresented by me? On the podcast. 416 00:21:51,079 --> 00:21:53,960 No on the podcast, did I ever misrepresent I didn't 417 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:56,759 think I did. You've been on several times. Oh yeah, yeah, 418 00:21:57,039 --> 00:22:00,000 we've chatted, You've been in the studio, we've set up here, 419 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:03,359 we came down here. I wasn't expecting to do a pug. 420 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:08,640 Speaker 3: My god, what kind of mother was I? You know, 421 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:11,400 as you're listening to that some of that stuff. 422 00:22:11,839 --> 00:22:14,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, but I didn't say anything about no. 423 00:22:14,279 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 3: But you just, you know, think what parent parent wouldn't 424 00:22:18,039 --> 00:22:19,400 know the kids crawling out a window? 425 00:22:19,799 --> 00:22:25,119 Speaker 1: Well, there was a great benefit to that. The benefit 426 00:22:25,319 --> 00:22:30,279 was that my brother and sister are a number of 427 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:33,039 years younger. Katie's five years younger than me, and then 428 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:36,640 Kevin is only two years behind her. So they were 429 00:22:36,759 --> 00:22:41,960 a team and a lot of the attention on certain 430 00:22:42,039 --> 00:22:45,000 things was them. But I didn't have a sibling who 431 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:47,240 would get mad at me. That was close days ago. 432 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:50,480 Well to mom and dad, you stuck out, right, but 433 00:22:50,519 --> 00:22:52,920 they would do that to each other. So there wasn't 434 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:57,640 any of those checks and balances and right with Jamison, 435 00:22:58,039 --> 00:23:00,279 and so I think like that that's what made that 436 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:04,599 stuff easier. And then I could kind of be my 437 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,440 own guy and whenever you know it got to a 438 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:09,480 certain point when there was a lot of attention and 439 00:23:09,559 --> 00:23:11,960 it was people were laughing and stuff. I would just 440 00:23:12,039 --> 00:23:15,480 keep going and going, so it made very popular or 441 00:23:15,559 --> 00:23:22,359 very unpopular. But I think my favorite recent dadism, I 442 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:24,119 don't know if I want to call it dadism, that's 443 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:26,839 not fair. But he called me and he said, uh, 444 00:23:27,039 --> 00:23:30,640 you know, there were many people who didn't know that 445 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:33,559 Kate and Kevin wore your sibling, and when they found out, 446 00:23:33,559 --> 00:23:37,000 they were quite shocked and not not always in the 447 00:23:37,039 --> 00:23:42,359 best way, which meant that I was the asshole you 448 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:45,279 didn't want your kids hanging out with. But Katie and 449 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:48,279 Kevin were nice kids. They were they were part of 450 00:23:48,319 --> 00:23:51,880 the school place and ship, and I wasn't. And that 451 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:53,119 it was just funny. 452 00:23:53,799 --> 00:23:59,240 Speaker 3: It was just funny because I had forget it was funny. 453 00:23:59,319 --> 00:24:01,039 Speaker 2: But I don't see that it's true. 454 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 1: I'm sure there were some families that didn't tea Yeah, yeah, 455 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,759 good friends, but I never had any of them. Yeah, 456 00:24:08,759 --> 00:24:12,680 but they were like, yeah, so they don't. I don't 457 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:15,759 think they had an accurate picture of and I In 458 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,359 class and stuff, I would either, I would participate. I 459 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:22,119 enjoyed the reading. I was if you know, the class 460 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:23,920 didn't really interest me. I'd be stayed more quiet. But 461 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,599 other than that, I didn't really act out in class. 462 00:24:26,599 --> 00:24:28,440 It was in the hallways in between, and it was 463 00:24:28,519 --> 00:24:32,200 more the after hour stuff. I love the social aspect 464 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:33,960 of school. I didn't give a shit about the school. 465 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:35,960 The rest of it was, you know, there was all 466 00:24:36,039 --> 00:24:36,640 kinds of things. 467 00:24:36,799 --> 00:24:39,400 Speaker 3: But I mean, I've never heard that in reputations go 468 00:24:39,519 --> 00:24:40,039 down the line. 469 00:24:40,319 --> 00:24:45,559 Speaker 1: Yeah no, well there probably on some people. Oh god, 470 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:49,559 oh really, because you know, well, look we ran into 471 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:52,880 uh where you live. A friend of mine's dad lives 472 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:56,240 that I had grown up with, and he hadn't been 473 00:24:56,319 --> 00:24:58,599 a trooper. I used to call her all the time. 474 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,319 Do you think your dad could get me out of 475 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:05,480 this ticket? And I think he did help somebody. You 476 00:25:05,559 --> 00:25:07,880 might have helped once. You might have helped me once. 477 00:25:08,039 --> 00:25:10,359 I don't remember. I think there was actually, now that 478 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:11,799 I think about it, I think there was one time, 479 00:25:12,759 --> 00:25:16,559 one time that there was something. Yeah, he was and 480 00:25:16,599 --> 00:25:18,480 I saw him this morning when I was on a walk. Yeah, 481 00:25:18,559 --> 00:25:21,279 we just did a well he's you know, he's a 482 00:25:21,319 --> 00:25:24,240 former state trip. But they don't talk a lot, you 483 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:25,720 know what I mean, if you put him back of 484 00:25:25,759 --> 00:25:28,720 the hat he's still he must pull people over in 485 00:25:28,759 --> 00:25:30,359 a sleep or do whatever. I don't know, but I 486 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:32,119 think he rose up in the ranks too, because I 487 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:33,920 don't think he was. I think he was behind a 488 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,200 desk for a while. But either way that there was 489 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,079 lots of adventures. I didn't want to have you misrepresented, 490 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:41,759 and I didn't want I didn't. I never thought you 491 00:25:41,799 --> 00:25:47,160 didn't care. I guess my thing was like, uh, they cared, 492 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:50,240 but they weren't tuned into what was happening. So it 493 00:25:50,279 --> 00:25:52,559 was like you weren't up our butts. You weren't, you 494 00:25:52,559 --> 00:25:55,359 know what I mean? He was at time so certain things, 495 00:25:55,519 --> 00:25:57,440 school or whatever. But then after a while I was 496 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:03,200 I just and I saw, I just saw the weak spots, 497 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,000 and I knew where to go. I knew if I 498 00:26:05,039 --> 00:26:07,359 did this, and I zigged here and I zagged there. 499 00:26:07,759 --> 00:26:10,440 It was all good. What was it? And Grandpa, your 500 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:15,279 father saved me on graduation day. I don't know whether 501 00:26:15,279 --> 00:26:17,079 it's shake your head or kick your so it's graduation. 502 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:21,400 Let him go, let them go. It's the greatest, the 503 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:24,799 greatest ever, oh so much fun. When I look back 504 00:26:24,799 --> 00:26:28,960 at this stuff now, I laugh, and I think I 505 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,440 believe everybody's doing the best they can in the moment, 506 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:35,000 and you don't know what else is going on. And 507 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:38,559 I used to I look at parents now, or look 508 00:26:38,599 --> 00:26:42,920 at how I've interacted with peers, and my parents seem 509 00:26:43,079 --> 00:26:46,720 so much more parental and adult than I have ever 510 00:26:46,839 --> 00:26:50,920 felt or acted. I's not out with Damien. I mean, 511 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,559 I was gonna do a whole thing of Goodbye to 512 00:26:53,559 --> 00:26:56,079 Summer twenty twenty four, and it was just me passed 513 00:26:56,079 --> 00:27:00,759 out in different places and I know, oh, but I 514 00:27:00,759 --> 00:27:04,440 don't remember that as like you guys weren't doing that. No, 515 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:10,039 And well, no, it's not fifty what I'm saying. 516 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:11,960 Speaker 2: It was like a lot of fifty three. 517 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:16,480 Speaker 1: I was your grandmother, were you? Oh yeah, wow, look 518 00:27:16,519 --> 00:27:21,400 at that yep, Jackson, Jackson, Yeah, Jackson. It was going 519 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:29,720 to be twenty four. Yeah, what's that? Who we all 520 00:27:29,759 --> 00:27:32,640 will use? Yeah it he'll be twenty four. Yeah, yeah, 521 00:27:33,279 --> 00:27:34,160 you might be a little off. 522 00:27:34,799 --> 00:27:39,000 Speaker 3: No, fifty three you were twenty four seventy seven, yeah, 523 00:27:39,279 --> 00:27:39,880 fifty three. 524 00:27:40,039 --> 00:27:44,119 Speaker 1: Wow. Well, hopefully I don't have the same luck as you. 525 00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:48,960 That would be it. That would be the that would 526 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:52,279 be the thing. And there we go. That's it. 527 00:27:52,279 --> 00:27:56,240 Speaker 4: This is my final side by by, for Mo Marge, 528 00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:00,200 who was right on the shores of a pond, and 529 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,480 who did care then and cares now. 530 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:10,880 Speaker 1: I'm her son, Bill Moran, will see you tomorrow. I 531 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,480 woke up in the hotel, didn't know what to do. 532 00:28:13,839 --> 00:28:15,400 Speaker 4: I turn a TV on, rule 533 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:17,799 Speaker 1: A letter to you, and the talk didn't by a 534 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:19,559 deadnet aubout the university