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Speaker 1: I first arrived inside this forest in November of nineteen

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ninety two, and right away I had to know what

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is the history of this lay of land, what happened

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here and how did it happen? What was the foresight

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of what was about to take place? The arrival of humans?

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Four stories on ero dot net A R. R Oe

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dot Net Enjoy the exploration. Good morning, doctor, how are

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you doing today?

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Speaker 2: I am doing excellent. How are you doing well?

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Speaker 1: First of all, I'm not shocked that you're putting out

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a revised version of this because I think when you

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and I talked the very first time, I'm going is

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there going to be a follow up to this? Is

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what's going to happen? Because I mean, that's one of

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the things that I love about you is that you

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are not afraid of what you speak of within these pages.

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Speaker 2: You got to get the word out there, however however

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you can absolutely you just got to put out the science.

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And that's controversial in today's on today's society, but it

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really shouldn't be.

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Speaker 1: Well, the one thing that I've noticed just in the

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past five years, we have seen so much when it

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comes to sickness, you know, any type of anything that

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gets in the way, that could poison us or put

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us in the ground or be burned up. But the

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thing is is that we have got to become aware

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of what the causes are and are we paying attention.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I love to treat the underlying cause. What a concept.

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And you know, the evidence supporting the extraordinary power of

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healthier food choices, it really only gotten stronger over the

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last decade. The good news is that we have tremendous

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power over our health, destiny and long jepany. And that's

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a vast majority of premature death and disability is preventable

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with a healthy enough die and lifestyle.

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Speaker 1: Now, isn't this because you also include science into this?

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And I think that's one of the biggest happy points

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of my life over the past five to six years,

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is that during the COVID lockdown, they finally started respecting

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as well as recognizing science.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, you know, Hana to Die is over three

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thousand scientific excitations, So I didn't want it to just

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be a reference book. And you know the first half

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of the book is fifteen chapters in each of the

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fifteen leading causes of death, talking about author a diet

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they play and preventing, arresting and versing each of our

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top fifteen killers. But you know, beyond that, the second

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half of the book, I wanted to be a practical guide.

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I'm you know, making you know, kind of grocery store

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or style decisions. So that's where I center my recommendations around.

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This daily doesn't checklist of all the healthiest little healthy foods.

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I encourage people to try to fit into their daily routine.

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Speaker 1: But we've changed into this where I looked at my

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my main doctor, and I said, look, I said, I

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don't want to get COVID. He says, yeah, you won't die.

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I'm going, whoa, that's how far we've gone in five years. Ah,

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you won't die.

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Speaker 2: But well, you know, doctors have a severe nutrition deficiency

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in education. Yes, doctors just never taught about the impact

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house the nutrition can have on the course of their illness.

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So they graduate without this powerful tool in their medical toolbox. Now,

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I mean that's not the only thing. Their institutional barriers,

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time constraints, lack of reimbursement. You know, many doctors simply

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aren't paid for counseling people and how to take better

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care of themselves. And look, the drug companies, frankly also

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play a role influencing medical education and practice. You know,

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you ask your doctor when the last time they were

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taken out to dinner by Big Broccoli. It's probably been

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a while, So.

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Speaker 1: Now one of the things that you put focus on.

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And I was taken back by this because I didn't know.

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And that's how much we need you. Dieting reverses certain conditions,

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it doesn't prevent them. And I was taken back by that.

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I've never heard anybody say.

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Speaker 2: That when you that's the difference between preventive medicine and

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lifestyle medicine, which is using diets actually reverse the course

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of lifestyle diseases by treating the underlying cause. And this

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includes reversing the progression of the leading cause of death,

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heart disease. And the majority of patient is only one

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diet has been shown to do that. That's a diet

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centered around these whole plant foods. And look, if that's

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all a planet bate that I can do reverse the

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number one killer of men and women like it, shouldn't

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that be like the default die? And I provement otherwise,

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And the fact that can also be so effective in

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preventing arrestling reversing other leading killers like I glove, bread

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usher and taps of diabetes would seem to make the

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case for plant based eating simply overwhelming at this point.

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Speaker 1: When you talk about heart disease. I'll never forget calling

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my sister and telling her that my brother and her

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had to get in there and get checked out because

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I had just had a heart attack. And doctor Fandetti said,

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you better tell your family what's going on here, and

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they all went, Nah, that's not our family. And I

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have to know in my heart that we are not

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the only ones who think like that.

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Speaker 2: No, absolutely, look based on studies of identical twins, only

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about twenty five percent of the difference in life span

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between people is determined by genetics. So for what we

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can do with the majority of which we have some control,

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we can look to the blue zones, these areas of

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exceptional longevity around the world, where they all sent to

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their diets around whole plant foods, minimizing processed foods and meat, dairy, sugar, eggs, salt,

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while maximizing fruits, vegetables, whole grains, legrooms like bean split,

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pasted surfees and lentos, nuts and seeds, mushrooms, ors and spices,

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basically real food that grows out of the ground. These

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are our healthiest choices.

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Speaker 1: Please do not move. There's more with doctor Michael Gregor

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coming up next. The name of the book How Not

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to Die. It's been revised. You think, let's get back

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in there with doctor Michael Gregor.

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Speaker 3: Hi, this is Lee Arrow's wife. I have a quick question.

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My doctor had man all these meds for diabetes, and

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my A and C went down and he goes, well,

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you can get off your meds, and I go which ones?

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He goes, it's your body you decide.

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Speaker 2: Well, look, if you don't mean the meds, I'm all

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in favor. It's actually very rare to find a doctor

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who's willing to deep prescribe these medications. But if you're

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doing so good, if you're able to change your underlying

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diet and linestile that led to the diabetes in the

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first place, such that you no longer need those medications,

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I'm all in favor. Just make sure you do that

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under supervision from your doctor. You don't want your you

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know your your blood sugar is to spike or to

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crash if indeed you make lifestyle changes and find yourself

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over medicating.

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Speaker 1: Well see, and that's the thing about it, and you

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and that's the stuff that works. I mean, we're not

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one hundred percent plant based, but we've added it and

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her numbers are looking good. But the one thing that

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you don't hear about, doctor, and that is is that

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the people that are in your family, when you change

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your life for diabetes or heart disease, they're going to

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lose weight too, because if their diet changes, so does yours.

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Speaker 2: Oh. I love that. I mean it really has to

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be done as part of the family unit, yes, and

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and right, and there's benefits from everybody, right, and that's

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that's wonderful and you're so lucky to have that kind

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of environment. Unfortunately, some people have to try to, you know,

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do it alone, and that makes it much more difficult, right,

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and particularly if there's you know, the people leaving donuts

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around the house. I mean it's like, look you really,

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you know, it's an expression of love to you know,

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really want you know, everyone in the family to the longest,

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healthiest life. And so, uh yeah, that's definitely the way

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Speaker 1: You're also putting focus in How Not to Die revised

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on cannabis. Are we talking about smoking it? And or

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because th HC infused drinks or are out there as well,

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and and they're they're under attack. But but yeah, you're you're,

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you're kind of saying you need it. It'll it'll help

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in so many different ways.

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Speaker 2: Well, there are, certainly, there's certainly certain conditions. Yeah. In fact,

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the next book I'm doing is called How Not to

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Hurt is talking about lifestyle approaches to pain management and

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talking about the role cannabis can play the There's a

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number of kind of synthetic canaminoids that are made by

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Big Forma that been put through some tests. But but

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often kind of the so called whole food is better

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than the constituents of its parts. But better to vaporize

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cannabis than to smoke it, just because there's there's combustion

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byproducts of any kind of smoke, whether it's forest fires

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or fireplaces or campfires, that we'd rather than having our lungs.

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Speaker 1: So what what do you learn? Because I mean, to me,

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you you remind me so much of who I am

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when it comes to an idea comes to you and

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then you start digging in for research, and you will

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not let it go until you find something.

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Speaker 2: Well. I mean, look, we're talking about life and death decisions, okay, right,

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I mean, if there's any decision to be made based

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on the best available bounce of evidence, it should be

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on you know, the most important decision we make in

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terms of health and longevity. According to the Globe Burn

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and Disease Study, the largest study of respect it's in

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human history, the number one cause of death in the

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United States is the American diet, now bumping tobacco smoking

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to number two. Cigarettes only kill about a half minion Americans

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every year, whereas our diet kills many more. And so

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that's why critically important to you know, make decisions based

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on evidence. If you're you know, buying some you know,

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the the vacuum cleaner online or something, okay, then find

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some random, you know, opinions, some stranger could actually be

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useful for you. Right. But when it comes to life

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and death decisions, you don't want to rely on check

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out aisle magazines or you know what your buddy at

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the gym told you. You want to stick to the science.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know where other people go too, They

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go to doctor Google and my God that that's not

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the best decision. They need to be putting their nose

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inside this book How Not to Die Revised.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean certainly that's I certainly agree, and I'm

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afraid things are even going to get worse where doctor

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Google is going to turn into doctor Chatbot and and

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you know, and then we're just going to be kind

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of spoon fed whatever. These these large language models are

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are feeding us and something which may actually be better

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than just kind of random Google sources, but uh, I'm

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not convinced it's not going to start hallucinating to start

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telling people to you know, start eating thumbtacks or something,

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and we're all going to be in big trouble.

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Speaker 1: Where can people go to find out more about you, doctor,

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because I love where your heart is and I love

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your outreach.

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Speaker 2: Thinking all of it. They can go to nutrition Facts there,

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or they can get my books at the local public library.

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In all proceeds I get from all my books are

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donated directly to charity. I just want everyone to enjoy

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the longest, healthiest life.

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Speaker 1: I love it. Please come back to this show anytime

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in the future. You know that door is going to

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be open for you, Dude.

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Speaker 2: I love it. Thank you, keep up the good work.