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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's like an area now perfect, excellent, there we go.

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<v Speaker 2>That was a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm in Puerto Rico and Representative Ryan Gonzalez is

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<v Speaker 1>in Denver because the legislature's in session and he is

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<v Speaker 1>trying to do something to restore our most affordable source

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<v Speaker 1>of protein in the grocery store, and that is eggs.

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<v Speaker 1>First of all, Representative Gonzales, welcome to the show.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you so much for having me.

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<v Speaker 2>Maddy.

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<v Speaker 4>It's good to be here with you and happy to

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<v Speaker 4>talk about what we're working on here for the people

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<v Speaker 4>at calro.

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<v Speaker 2>So. Tell me about this.

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<v Speaker 1>Obviously, we've had significant egg shortages. There was like a

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<v Speaker 1>month where I would go to the grocery store a

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<v Speaker 1>couple times a week and there would literally be nothing

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<v Speaker 1>on the grocery store shelves. I know we have bird flu,

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<v Speaker 1>but it seems like it's way worse here. In my

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<v Speaker 1>informal polling across Facebook, where I have friends all over

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<v Speaker 1>the country, none of them are seeing the prices that

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<v Speaker 1>we saw here. None of them are seeing the ongoing

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<v Speaker 1>shortages that we've seen here. So what are you trying

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<v Speaker 1>to do with this?

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<v Speaker 2>Help?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So thank you for your question.

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<v Speaker 4>And this basically is due in part because of a

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<v Speaker 4>twenty twenty law that they passed, HB twenty thirteen forty three,

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<v Speaker 4>which was sponsored by former Senator Carrie Donovan, mandating cage

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<v Speaker 4>free eggs.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, this law has been phased in. It took full

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<v Speaker 3>effect the beginning of.

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<v Speaker 4>This year, and so basically what we're seeing is an

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<v Speaker 4>increase in prices of eggs that is also exacerbating the

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<v Speaker 4>supply chain where we're not having enough of the eggs

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<v Speaker 4>that we need, which also add a contribute to the

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<v Speaker 4>high prices of eggs. And it also limits basically that

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<v Speaker 4>we can't have eggs that are not cage free coming

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<v Speaker 4>to Colorado. So when you have excess demand, like you

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<v Speaker 4>just said, people.

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<v Speaker 3>Rely on those source of protein eggs.

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<v Speaker 4>Big thing families, especially lo income families who are hurting

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<v Speaker 4>are feeling the pinch at the grocery store because of

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<v Speaker 4>some of this policy that has been implemented.

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<v Speaker 3>So my bill would do away with them.

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<v Speaker 4>So we basically get back to more of a free

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<v Speaker 4>market perspective, and there's consumer choice.

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<v Speaker 1>And see I'm glad you said free market because I

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<v Speaker 1>buy I buy pasture raise eggs like I can fit

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<v Speaker 1>that in my budget and eggs make up such a

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<v Speaker 1>huge portion of my diet that I buy the stupid, expensive,

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<v Speaker 1>fancy pasture raised eggs.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's my choice. I go to the.

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<v Speaker 1>Grocery store and I'm sure you've had this. You look

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<v Speaker 1>like a young guy. I don't know if you have

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<v Speaker 1>a family, but you go to the grocery store now

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<v Speaker 1>and you get two little dinky bags and it's one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred bucks.

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<v Speaker 2>I always think of like, how are young families dealing

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<v Speaker 2>with that kind of stuff?

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<v Speaker 1>So this is the first in a step. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>you're in committee, right, So what committee is going to

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<v Speaker 1>hear this?

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<v Speaker 4>So it got assigned to the Agriculture Committee, and the

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<v Speaker 4>hearing furthest bill will be Monday at one thirty.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, what kind of response have you gotten, either from

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<v Speaker 1>your colleagues or from.

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<v Speaker 2>Across the aisle. Are you hopeful that.

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<v Speaker 1>This is going to pass or is it going to

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<v Speaker 1>be dead in the water because it's got to have Democrats.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so I'm hopeful that we can get at least

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<v Speaker 4>some Democrats support some of the people who sit on

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<v Speaker 4>the Agriculture Committee. Some of them who are Democrats live

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<v Speaker 4>in competitive districts, so I think they're more inclined to

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<v Speaker 4>listen to reason as far as hearing the concerns of

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<v Speaker 4>people of Colorado, especially low income people who are hurting

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<v Speaker 4>from the policy. Again going back to the consumer choice

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<v Speaker 4>of if they want k tree or not, he used

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<v Speaker 4>to let the because of the consumers decide.

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<v Speaker 3>And you know, we want to make it all about affordability, right.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, Jared Poulus in the state of the state

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<v Speaker 4>has said he wants to make Colorado more affordable, and

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<v Speaker 4>this is the way that we can do so by

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<v Speaker 4>leviating some of the cost burdens that we have imposed

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<v Speaker 4>in Colorado's because they need relief, whether it's fees, whether

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<v Speaker 4>it's you know, for driving down.

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<v Speaker 3>The prices of goods like eggs.

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<v Speaker 4>This is something that all Colorados have cared about, and

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<v Speaker 4>so I have heard. I've gotten a lot of support

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<v Speaker 4>from my Republican caucus as well as the Republican senators.

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<v Speaker 3>There are some.

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<v Speaker 4>Democrats who have reached out to me who will have

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<v Speaker 4>expressed interest in listening to the arguments for it.

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<v Speaker 3>Obviously they're not committing to one way or the other,

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<v Speaker 3>but I can.

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<v Speaker 4>Tell you I have spoken to some stakeholders, one of

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<v Speaker 4>them being the egg producers now, the egg producers have

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<v Speaker 4>pushed back basically by saying that it's the bird flu

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<v Speaker 4>the burchlues what's contributed to the high prices of eggs,

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<v Speaker 4>and that the markets were basically training in that direction anyway,

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<v Speaker 4>towards K free. But do that if the market was

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<v Speaker 4>training towards K free, why do you need a lot

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<v Speaker 4>to make it so? Let the markets do it on

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<v Speaker 4>their own right now, Compared to bird flu, if you

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<v Speaker 4>look at across the country right because it doesn't just

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<v Speaker 4>end when Cowork Colorado wins, other states are dealing with

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<v Speaker 4>the bird flue, their prices are not as high.

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<v Speaker 3>If you look at those states that have K three.

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<v Speaker 4>Versus non policies implemented, you will see that these states

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<v Speaker 4>have lower prices of eggs in the states that do

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<v Speaker 4>not have K tree loss. The usda A also came

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<v Speaker 4>out with the report last month, saying that while the

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<v Speaker 4>bird flu did a tribute in increasing prices of eggs,

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<v Speaker 4>the cage free laws disproportionately impacted states who had such

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<v Speaker 4>laws that were a factor in driving the prices up.

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<v Speaker 3>For that as well well.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it prevents us from being able to go

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<v Speaker 1>to a different egg producer in a different state that

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<v Speaker 1>didn't have a bird flu outbreak. I mean, these outbreaks

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<v Speaker 1>are happening all over the country, but we've limited the

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<v Speaker 1>number of people that we can even try and buy

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<v Speaker 1>eggs from.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is one of those.

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<v Speaker 1>Things that and don't get me wrong, I know it's

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<v Speaker 1>well intentioned.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm probably one of the few talk show hosts.

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<v Speaker 1>In this country that have actually been to an egg farm,

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<v Speaker 1>so I know exactly what goes on there.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's gross. I mean, it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Chickens are just, you know, kind of gross. So I

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<v Speaker 1>understand this, But are the animal rights activists who've got

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<v Speaker 1>this going in the first place. Have they indicated that

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<v Speaker 1>they are going to resist the change?

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<v Speaker 4>So I have heard the ASPCA is remaining neutral. Now

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<v Speaker 4>I have heard the Humane Society did in fact hire a.

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<v Speaker 3>Lobbyist to lobby against this bill.

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<v Speaker 4>But it's not about animal welfare, Mandy, It's about chicken welfare.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, we're prioritizing chicken welfare over the welfare of

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<v Speaker 4>our own citizens and residents of Colorado, people who are

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<v Speaker 4>low income children, you know, our restaurant owners, schools, anything

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<v Speaker 4>that's made with eggs.

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<v Speaker 3>We're prioritizing the welfare of chickens over.

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<v Speaker 4>That of our own people, and that has negative implementations,

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<v Speaker 4>And like what you just said, I understand the humanitarian

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<v Speaker 4>part of it, but we shouldn't be prioritizing chicken welfare

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<v Speaker 4>over the needs of our people, many of who are

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<v Speaker 4>struggling to get by.

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<v Speaker 1>Is this part of a group of bills that Republicans

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<v Speaker 1>are trying to get through to take away some of

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<v Speaker 1>the taxes and the fees that have been levied on

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<v Speaker 2>Years that are just like they're death by a thousand

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<v Speaker 2>cuts because none of them are that big.

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<v Speaker 1>When you just say, oh, we're going to make you

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<v Speaker 1>pay a little bit more for eggs, or oh, we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to make you pay a bag fee when you

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<v Speaker 2>Is this part of that group of bills that Republicans

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<v Speaker 2>are bringing forward. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely.

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<v Speaker 4>So you know, I won't speak for my entire caucus,

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<v Speaker 4>but what I can say is we are very focused

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<v Speaker 4>on making sure that we prioritize affordability, we protect tabor,

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<v Speaker 4>we make sure we try to repeal some of these fees.

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<v Speaker 4>We know, when you're minority, we understand that there's only

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<v Speaker 4>so much we can pass. But with the policies we're

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<v Speaker 4>proposing with some of these bills, I feel our sensible, realistic, practical, achievable.

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<v Speaker 4>We're not asking for much. We're asking to, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>think of the little guy, the small business people, the

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<v Speaker 4>mom and pop shops, the low income people who are

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<v Speaker 4>hurting and getting penny pinched, you know, day and day

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<v Speaker 4>out from these fees. You know, the wealthy people, they

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<v Speaker 4>don't care about ten cents a bag, they don't care

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<v Speaker 4>about a twenty nine cent delivery fee.

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<v Speaker 3>They don't care about the prices of eggs because they

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<v Speaker 3>can afford it.

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<v Speaker 4>It's the people who are struggling to get by the

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<v Speaker 4>middle class, the low income people who are choosing between

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<v Speaker 4>filling up their gas tanks or putting food on the table.

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<v Speaker 4>And they feel that the eggs, of all things, is

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<v Speaker 4>just something that shouldn't be a discussion for.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, providing relief for it. It's something that we should

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<v Speaker 3>add on.

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<v Speaker 4>And we know what we're proposing should get some Democrat

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<v Speaker 4>support to get it passed. We're not asking for much.

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<v Speaker 4>We're asking to provide immediate relief.

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<v Speaker 3>For some of our well all of our residents across Colorado.

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<v Speaker 4>When it comes to energy and it comes to food,

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<v Speaker 4>and it comes to housing, and it comes to fees.

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<v Speaker 3>This is stuff that the people want. You know, Rome wasn't.

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<v Speaker 4>Built in a day, and if we start getting rid

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<v Speaker 4>of some of these fees and regulations like that cage

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<v Speaker 4>free thing, it could definitely get us more towards a

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<v Speaker 4>free market approach and.

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<v Speaker 3>Provide overall affordability. Slowly but surely we can get there.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you heard that egg producers in Colorado who've already

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<v Speaker 1>gone cage free, You're like, look, we're not going back

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<v Speaker 1>because it did cost too much to go back to

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<v Speaker 1>what we were doing before.

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<v Speaker 3>No, And that's an argument that they have.

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<v Speaker 4>This isn't mandating that they go back to how they

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<v Speaker 4>were before that. If they want to stay to K three's,

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<v Speaker 4>that's their discretion, that's their choice.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm all about free markets.

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<v Speaker 4>If they want to make the decision to be K

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<v Speaker 4>three or not, we should leave it up to the producers.

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<v Speaker 4>We shouldn't have government mandated for everybody, especially the smaller,

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<v Speaker 4>you know scale egg producers who can afford to basically

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<v Speaker 4>have these implementations overnight. The regulations, the costs, the resources,

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<v Speaker 4>the time, the effort. You've seen some of these places

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<v Speaker 4>shut down because.

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<v Speaker 3>Of this law because they can't comply with it.

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<v Speaker 4>They don't have the money, they don't have the resources,

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<v Speaker 4>and that basically just puts those people out of business.

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<v Speaker 3>And we should be thinking about the little guy, you know.

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<v Speaker 4>And that also adds to the constraint and supply that

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<v Speaker 4>we have, and that's why we have a shortage of

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<v Speaker 4>eggs in part because they can't comply with this policy.

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<v Speaker 1>Representative Ryan Gonzalez, I really appreciate your time today, and

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<v Speaker 1>you're trying to make it more affordable for people who

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<v Speaker 1>are struggling.

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<v Speaker 2>To pay for their groceries. We'll follow this bill and

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<v Speaker 2>have you back on hopefully it'll be successful.

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<v Speaker 1>I know you do have an uphill battle, simply, the

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<v Speaker 1>numbers are so not in your favor in terms of

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<v Speaker 1>the political divide legislature. But I'm going to follow up

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<v Speaker 1>and we'll touch back and see what happens at the

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<v Speaker 1>end of all this. I appreciate your time today.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, hey, I appreciate you. Thank you so much for

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<v Speaker 4>reaching out and happy to help you and happy to

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<v Speaker 4>talk about my bills and what we can do to

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<v Speaker 4>make Colorado affordable.

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<v Speaker 3>So absolutely all right.

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<v Speaker 2>That's Representative Ryan Gazalez. Thank you. So much,