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Speaker 3: Hello everyone, and welcome to the show. How are you
Speaker 3: all doing. I'm Nick Hunter and this is the UFO
Speaker 3: Chronicles Podcast. In tonight's episode, Jason joins us from the
Speaker 3: United Kingdom to share strange events that began in a
Speaker 3: house marked by footsteps, shadow figures, and an out of
Speaker 3: the body moment floating over the London rooftops. As he
Speaker 3: grew older, the experiences followed him lucid dreams that later
Speaker 3: connected to real events, unexplained, nosebleed shared only with his
Speaker 3: youngest son, and a pattern of synchronicities tied to the
Speaker 3: number thirteen. Jason is up next, but.
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Speaker 3: Now on with the show, Jason. Welcome to the podcast
Speaker 3: by Nick.
Speaker 1: Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 3: You are more than welcome. It is great to have
Speaker 3: you on today. And you're calling from the United Kingdom.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, In Surrey.
Speaker 3: Okay, Jason. Now, Jason, you have some experiences you're going
Speaker 3: to be sharing with us. Would you like to start
Speaker 3: the beginning please, sir.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So before I start, let me just kind of
Speaker 1: tell you a little bit about myself. Now. I'm not
Speaker 1: really a religious person as such. I used to go
Speaker 1: to Sunday School and stuff like that, but I never
Speaker 1: really followed any kind of religion. But I do believe
Speaker 1: that there's more to life out there than than what
Speaker 1: we experience now, than this physical kind of life. I
Speaker 1: do believe that. And I also believe that things happen
Speaker 1: for a reason. I think not that our life is
Speaker 1: predetermined already. It could be, I don't know, but I
Speaker 1: believe that things happen for a reason. So when something happens,
Speaker 1: it was supposed to happen, and it was supposed to
Speaker 1: happen like that. So because of that, there's been times
Speaker 1: throughout my life where I've had a sense of deja
Speaker 1: vu on occasions, or even kind of heightened senses where
Speaker 1: you know, I just feel a little bit different or
Speaker 1: kind of kind of cotton onto things a little bit
Speaker 1: more than other people. And the other thing I would
Speaker 1: say is that I think I believe that both the
Speaker 1: paranormal and UFOs are linked in some way. They're not
Speaker 1: two different phenomenons. I think they are linked in some way.
Speaker 1: I don't know whether it's because of the kind of
Speaker 1: spiritual or mental states, but there is some sort of
Speaker 1: a link, I believe. So there's lots of synchronicities that
Speaker 1: I'm kind of aware of which happened around me. So
Speaker 1: for me, these synchronicities tend to revolve around the number
Speaker 1: thirteen for some reason. So as an example, I used
Speaker 1: to live at the number thirteen. One of my cousins,
Speaker 1: my third cousin, was born on the thirteenth. I've got
Speaker 1: four kids, of which I've got one daughter and three sons,
Speaker 1: So you know, all of these things kind of sometimes
Speaker 1: equal thirteen, and it's just just bizarre. And I've got
Speaker 1: a couple more examples, which I'm going to talk to
Speaker 1: you about in a little while, as well as that,
Speaker 1: I've had a number of lucid dreams throughout my life,
Speaker 1: which some are more significant than others. But when I
Speaker 1: have these dreams, it's almost as though I can I
Speaker 1: feel them, I see myself in them. It's not just
Speaker 1: like you're dreaming it seems to be a little bit
Speaker 1: more than that. So for me, this all kind of
Speaker 1: started when I was living in my grandmother's house. So
Speaker 1: I grew up with my grandparents and my mum and
Speaker 1: we used to live with my grandparents in their house
Speaker 1: in London, which was the number thirteen. Within this house,
Speaker 1: we always used to hear what I always used to
Speaker 1: hear noises around the house, like footsteps going up and
Speaker 1: down the stairs, sometimes banging, So we thought the house
Speaker 1: was haunted. And so one occasion when I was younger,
Speaker 1: it must have been when I was in primary school,
Speaker 1: because we leaved at my grandparents' house. It wasn't that big.
Speaker 1: I used to share a bed with my mum, and
Speaker 1: one evening I woke up and I said to my mum,
Speaker 1: who's that standing at the bottom of the bed And
Speaker 1: she turned to me and just said this no and
Speaker 1: me just go back to sleep. And that was that.
Speaker 1: But I know that there was someone or something, a figure, shadow,
Speaker 1: something at the bottom of the bed. So that was
Speaker 1: one of my kind of experiences after that which kind
Speaker 1: of started this off, was I had a dream that
Speaker 1: I was floating above the house, above the roof, and
Speaker 1: I could see like the top of the roofs, and
Speaker 1: then I kind of flew over a hospital which was nearby.
Speaker 1: And the strange thing was I could see it like
Speaker 1: what looked like generators on the top of the the
Speaker 1: hospital roof or they could have been a conditioning units.
Speaker 1: I don't know. But why would I know that at
Speaker 1: such a young age, You know, that's certain things were
Speaker 1: on top of these these buildings. It was bizarre. I
Speaker 1: don't know where I went or what happened after that.
Speaker 1: I just remember floating and kind of gliding above some
Speaker 1: roofs and that was it. A little while whilst living
Speaker 1: in my grand's house, she had the house blessed and
Speaker 1: then after that everything stopped. There was no more noises,
Speaker 1: no more footsteps, no more shadows, nothing. So again I
Speaker 1: don't know what that was about later on in life,
Speaker 1: So that was it during my primary school. Later on
Speaker 1: in life, we moved into a flat, also in London,
Speaker 1: and we used to live on the ninth floor of
Speaker 1: a high rise block. And one night I dreamt that
Speaker 1: I was falling off of the top of this building
Speaker 1: to where I was living. And I don't remember hitting
Speaker 1: the ground or anything that I just just from falling
Speaker 1: and that was the dream. That's all I can remember
Speaker 1: from that dream. And then it turned out that weeks
Speaker 1: later somebody actually jumped off of the opposite building and
Speaker 1: you know, ended up dying, and so I found that Bazarre.
Speaker 1: I did tell people about that when it happened, but again,
Speaker 1: I don't know how much people kind of believe what
Speaker 1: you say. And there's a lot of things that that's
Speaker 1: happened that I haven't really told people about because I
Speaker 1: don't know who will believe what really, you know, it's
Speaker 1: quite strange. Also throughout my life, I've had that I've
Speaker 1: suffered from those bleeds from an early age, and you know,
Speaker 1: I could just be on the train and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden my nose had start bleeding heavily and you know,
Speaker 1: take a while to stop. And so those bleds were
Speaker 1: something which I kind of suffered with throughout childhood and
Speaker 1: I don't know why. But more recently, my third son,
Speaker 1: my youngest son, he also suffers with those bleeds and
Speaker 1: we've taken him to the doctors. He's had his nose quarterized,
Speaker 1: but he also gets heavy nose bleeds as well. None
Speaker 1: of my other kids suffer from those bleeds, just him,
Speaker 1: which again is just a bizarre thing. I've also more
Speaker 1: recently had a couple of strange occurrences happen. So back
Speaker 1: in October twenty eighteen, I was coming home from I
Speaker 1: think it was from work or something, and I saw
Speaker 1: some strobing lights above our neighbor's house next door, and
Speaker 1: so I kind of stopped and I was looking to see,
Speaker 1: you know what is that. There was no sound, so
Speaker 1: it wasn't like a cherone, it wasn't an aircraft. So
Speaker 1: I took out my phone and I started to record
Speaker 1: these lights. And within the video, you know, it's not
Speaker 1: the best video because I was trying to zoom in
Speaker 1: and zoom out, so there's a little bit of store,
Speaker 1: but you can clearly see that above the chimney of
Speaker 1: this house there is what looks like three lights flashing
Speaker 1: in succession, not rapidly, not continuously. It's just every now
Speaker 1: and again they would flash. So it's not like how
Speaker 1: an aircraft lights work, or a drone, which is which
Speaker 1: has a constant light that flashes. It was just like
Speaker 1: a beacon every now and again. And in the video
Speaker 1: you can also see later on an aircraft fly past
Speaker 1: and you can hear it you can see that lights
Speaker 1: are different, and so that was a strange experience that
Speaker 1: I had. More recently, we went to Spain and we've
Speaker 1: got villa in Spain really nice. It's in the middle
Speaker 1: of nowhere, so it's no light pollution and it's really dark.
Speaker 1: You can sit there and watch the stars. It's really nice.
Speaker 1: But my wife took a picture just above the pool
Speaker 1: and captured this what looks like a kind of turkvoise
Speaker 1: or in the sky. It wasn't there at the time.
Speaker 1: We didn't see it. It's just when she took the
Speaker 1: picture it was there. So when you see the picture
Speaker 1: which I sent to Unique, you can clearly see this thing.
Speaker 1: I also took a couple of pictures on my phone
Speaker 1: using my camera in the opposite direction towards these mountains
Speaker 1: that we have in the background, and in the two
Speaker 1: pictures that I took, you can also see this kind
Speaker 1: of turquoise colored orb in two different places in the sky.
Speaker 1: So it's clearly moved from one place to another. And
Speaker 1: again when I took the pictures, I couldn't see I
Speaker 1: couldn't see it. It was just it wasn't there. It's
Speaker 1: only when we looked at the pictures, we could see
Speaker 1: these things. So I've had kind of those kind of
Speaker 1: strange experiences happened. But again going back to the kind
Speaker 1: of lucid dreams and what I said about dreaming that
Speaker 1: I fell off of the building, et cetera, I've had
Speaker 1: more kind of lucid dreams recently. I don't think I
Speaker 1: after secondary school. I don't think I dreamt for a
Speaker 1: while or remember the dreams that I had, But more
Speaker 1: recently I have. So as an example, when we was
Speaker 1: in Spain just a couple of weeks ago, I had
Speaker 1: a strange dream. People say that dreams mean things, and
Speaker 1: I'm sure they do, but when they're bizarre like this,
Speaker 1: it makes you wonder what you know, what these dreams
Speaker 1: are about. So I had on this particular night in Spain.
Speaker 1: Was I was in, it was like a courtyard garden
Speaker 1: of a building. It was either a palace or like
Speaker 1: a home or a big house. But this house had
Speaker 1: this beautiful garden enclosed by a wall. Now, the house
Speaker 1: itself in my dream belong to somebody who didn't live there,
Speaker 1: so it was like they had it for tax purposes
Speaker 1: or something. So they didn't live there, but they owned
Speaker 1: the house. So it was kind of empty. And then
Speaker 1: outside of the house, the walls on the outside of
Speaker 1: the house were almost like shipping crates or a kind
Speaker 1: of shipping yard, so it was a very different contrast
Speaker 1: to what was inside. And I couldn't help thinking that,
Speaker 1: you know, there's all this beauty inside this house, but
Speaker 1: nobody can see it, and nobody even knows it's there
Speaker 1: because of the outside of this building. Then within my dream,
Speaker 1: for some weird reason, I had to not physically myself,
Speaker 1: but I had to paint the walls of this house
Speaker 1: a different color to make it not look so bad.
Speaker 1: So I had to I painted it like a gray
Speaker 1: teal blue color. Then the next part of my dream
Speaker 1: was that I was in a hall, like a school hall,
Speaker 1: with a stage, and on this stage were uniforms, so
Speaker 1: not not like police uniforms and stuff like that, more
Speaker 1: like work with and I had to for some reason
Speaker 1: try and stop people from taking too much of the work.
Speaker 1: Were to make sure that, you know, everybody had a piece.
Speaker 1: But what's significant about this dream is that after that,
Speaker 1: two of my colleagues from work current work appeared in
Speaker 1: my dream, and that was the end of it. And
Speaker 1: so that was when we were in Spain, and then
Speaker 1: a couple of days later when I got back to
Speaker 1: the UK, and you know, I was working from home
Speaker 1: that day, so I turned on my laptop to look
Speaker 1: in and who messaged me was one of the people
Speaker 1: in my dream. So you know, I have these kind
Speaker 1: of bizarre connections which which don't make sense. Coming back
Speaker 1: to another dream that I had recently as well, now,
Speaker 1: when I spoke to after I spoke to Eunich and
Speaker 1: we said that, you know, we was going to have
Speaker 1: this conversation and I was going to come on to
Speaker 1: your show. I was trying to remember some of these synchronicities,
Speaker 1: like the number thirteen and stuff like that, and I
Speaker 1: went to bed that night fell asten and I within
Speaker 1: my sleep or my dream, I was thinking about these
Speaker 1: different events and some of the things that have happened,
Speaker 1: so I could talk to about them now. But the
Speaker 1: bizarre thing about this one was that I woke up.
Speaker 1: And this has happened on a couple of occasions I
Speaker 1: woke up. I'm quite a heavy sleeper as well, but
Speaker 1: on this occasion I woke up at I woke up
Speaker 1: at three forty six exactly. And when you add those
Speaker 1: numbers together, what did they add up to? Thirteen? Again,
Speaker 1: it's just another bizarre synchronicity within that. Before I woke
Speaker 1: up at three forty six, I think I said that
Speaker 1: particular dream again was another bizarre dream where I was
Speaker 1: at a party with I think my wife, and it
Speaker 1: was a kind of a work party. But the strange
Speaker 1: thing was that we had to go to this party,
Speaker 1: but we had to go up an escalator to get
Speaker 1: to the floor that this party was on, and at
Speaker 1: the top of the escalator was another colleague from work,
Speaker 1: who again I don't know why these people appear in
Speaker 1: my dream, but this particular colleague recently told me that
Speaker 1: she was couldntant, So I don't know whether the party
Speaker 1: was like a like a like a baby shower or something.
Speaker 1: I haven't got a clue, but anyway, she was standing
Speaker 1: at the top of this escalator, and when we got
Speaker 1: off the escalator, it was facing the total opposite direction
Speaker 1: to where the party was, so we had to kind
Speaker 1: of work our way round. Again. I don't know why
Speaker 1: why I had that dream or what it was about,
Speaker 1: but that was when I woke up at three forty six,
Speaker 1: trying to remember synchronicities to talk to you about. And
Speaker 1: then the final one was last was this morning actually,
Speaker 1: so I went to sleep last night and the dream
Speaker 1: I had again was so bizarre. It was kind of
Speaker 1: split into three different sections. And so the first part
Speaker 1: of the dream was my wife and.
Speaker 5: I were I don't know where we were, but we
Speaker 5: were getting into a car and a friend or a
Speaker 5: couple were coming towards us to talk to us, and
Speaker 5: my wife was saying to me, no, no, no, we can't
Speaker 5: talk to them.
Speaker 1: We've got we've got to go. And so the lady
Speaker 1: of the in the couple managed to get to us
Speaker 1: and was talking to me, and then my wife drove off,
Speaker 1: and so we kind of I don't know she she
Speaker 1: must have been like on the inside of the car
Speaker 1: or something, and we kind of carried her up the
Speaker 1: road where then you know, she was talking all that way,
Speaker 1: and then she got out and realized that her partner was,
Speaker 1: you know, down the road, so that kind of stopped.
Speaker 1: The dream then kind of transgressed merged into something to
Speaker 1: do with a family. I was in this family, not
Speaker 1: not part of the family, but I was in their
Speaker 1: presence and they had got a adopted or got which
Speaker 1: way to look at a stray dog from like a
Speaker 1: dog home, and its a white bulldog. It was quite
Speaker 1: an old bulldog, which was quite quiet, you know, it
Speaker 1: wasn't very energetic. But this part of the dream took
Speaker 1: place in like the living room, and for some reason,
Speaker 1: we're all sitting around on a couple of sofas on
Speaker 1: each side of the room. The dog was sitting in
Speaker 1: one place. There was a cat, and then all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, a mouse appeared and was running around the floor.
Speaker 1: Then the then the cat chased the mouse and then
Speaker 1: got it in a corner of the room. And there
Speaker 1: was another dog which then tried to get the mouse
Speaker 1: off of the cat, and then the bulldog started to
Speaker 1: fight with the other dog. And the only how we
Speaker 1: can get the bulldog off was to use like a towel,
Speaker 1: you know, when you kind of whip a towel, and
Speaker 1: that kind of stopped the dog from from from fighting.
Speaker 1: And then that was that section of the dream. And
Speaker 1: then the last section of dream was even more bizarre.
Speaker 1: It was that I was sitting on the back of
Speaker 1: either a toy train or a tram something that kind
Speaker 1: of size, and behind the tram was a boy, not
Speaker 1: the gun. He might have been a teenage boy. I'm
Speaker 1: not sure, but there was a boy and he and
Speaker 1: myself were flicking pink paint at each other as this
Speaker 1: kind of tram was driving, so he wasn't on it.
Speaker 1: He was kind of running behind it. And then the
Speaker 1: tram slowly took again speed and kind of carried on,
Speaker 1: And because he couldn't get on the tram, he then
Speaker 1: climbed onto the back of what was like a service lorry.
Speaker 1: And there was two of these service lorries following the
Speaker 1: tram for some reason, and so the tram carried on.
Speaker 1: The boy was on the back of the service free
Speaker 1: and there was the other slotry driving behind it. The
Speaker 1: tram itself seemed to the driver seemed to kind of
Speaker 1: accelerate and start to go too fast. I thought the
Speaker 1: tram was going to come off the tracks at one point,
Speaker 1: but it didn't, but that's how fast it was going.
Speaker 1: And so it carried on. One of the service lorries
Speaker 1: reversed into a driveway and stopped, and then the second one,
Speaker 1: which the boy was on, stopped and was also want
Speaker 1: to reverse into the driveway. But as it kind of
Speaker 1: started to reverse, the boy jumped off the bat and
Speaker 1: ended up going underneath the lorry. I think it was okay.
Speaker 1: I don't think it was crushed or anything like that,
Speaker 1: because the lawry was quite high off the ground. But
Speaker 1: he went under the lorry and that kind of startled
Speaker 1: me and I woke up. The bizarre thing is when
Speaker 1: I woke up, it was five seventeen this morning. And
Speaker 1: when you add those numbers together, what do they make?
Speaker 1: So again, I've got all of these bizarre inicities with
Speaker 1: the number thirteen, which don't really make you know, don't
Speaker 1: really make sense to me. There was a point as well,
Speaker 1: and kind of jumping back a bit. This must have
Speaker 1: been twenty fifteen, I think, where there was all of
Speaker 1: that talk about the Mayan calendar and the end of
Speaker 1: the world on all of that, and I saw something
Speaker 1: in the news about a scientist that was looking into
Speaker 1: the mind calendar and what effect it had in regards
Speaker 1: to these dates, and I felt compelled to try and
Speaker 1: reach out to this guy and say to me, you know, what,
Speaker 1: what is it about the number thirteen and how does
Speaker 1: that have an impact on the mind calendar. You know,
Speaker 1: there is some sort of significance with it. I don't
Speaker 1: know what it is, but I feel that there is
Speaker 1: some sort of there's something, there's something in it. So
Speaker 1: either that, you know people were saying when people said
Speaker 1: that the the of the Mind calendar was the end
Speaker 1: of the world, I was thinking more along the lines of,
Speaker 1: is it that we're reading that calendar wrong because we're
Speaker 1: not when I say, living in the right time. And
Speaker 1: that sounds a bit bizarre. But whereas our calendar is
Speaker 1: based off of twelve months, should it really be based
Speaker 1: off of thirteen? And so I looked in into that
Speaker 1: and I'm just gonna google, and it said that technically
Speaker 1: there are thirteen planets. The Solar system has eight, which
Speaker 1: is the eight that we know, but then there's another
Speaker 1: five that are officially recognized as dwarf planets, which then
Speaker 1: equal thirteen. Again, I just don't understand what this kind
Speaker 1: of fixation with the number thirteen is. It makes no
Speaker 1: sense to me, makes no sense to me. I think
Speaker 1: that's itnic, I think that is all I've all I've
Speaker 1: got for you today.
Speaker 3: Good stuff, Jason. Interesting, So the number thirteen really sticks? Same?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I really don't know. Why do you.
Speaker 3: Find yourself drawn to the number, say, if you're say,
Speaker 3: choosing like a mobile or sym number or a car
Speaker 3: registration like that.
Speaker 1: No, nothing like that at all, Nothing like that at all. Again,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't understand this kind of significance of it.
Speaker 1: But outside of that number, I did listen to one
Speaker 1: of your episodes a couple of weeks back, and it
Speaker 1: was called three forty three, and it was about a
Speaker 1: guy who had lots of similar experiences to what I've
Speaker 1: just explained, but he's went a little bit further than
Speaker 1: what I've explained, you know, about lucid dreams and flying
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. But listening to that and then
Speaker 1: talking about mine, it just it's just bizarre. It's just bizarre.
Speaker 1: As I said, I haven't really cold everybody this whole
Speaker 1: kind of sequence of events because I don't know what
Speaker 1: people would think, you know, who would believe me, who
Speaker 1: would not. So it's good to be able to kind
Speaker 1: of talk to you about this and kind of share
Speaker 1: it with other people, because I'm I'm sure I'm not
Speaker 1: the young person who has these types of experiences.
Speaker 3: No, you're certainly not. Say you're doing a lottery numbers,
Speaker 3: would you ever be drawn to pick the number thirteen
Speaker 3: or one and three or any combinations?
Speaker 1: I might do every now and again. But it's not
Speaker 1: something that I'm as I said, I'm not drawn to
Speaker 1: those numbers, not drawn to them. I don't know why.
Speaker 1: I don't know why they kind of stick out him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know what you mean. So it's not like
Speaker 3: you're drawn to the number, but you just seem to
Speaker 3: see it. Yeah, and when did that start? When did
Speaker 3: you start seeing the number thirteen more?
Speaker 1: It's just something that's kind of always happened. As I said,
Speaker 1: it's being living at the number thirteen, my cousin being
Speaker 1: born on thirteen. It's just something that's just always kind
Speaker 1: of been there.
Speaker 3: I can say. Some people find the number unlucky.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. And I'm not superstitious in the slightest.
Speaker 1: So I would walk under a ladder with fight if
Speaker 1: I had to, you know, black cats come past me.
Speaker 1: It's like, I'm not superstitious because of because of this,
Speaker 1: because of the fact that I've had so many kind
Speaker 1: of instance it's with this particular number.
Speaker 3: And it's funny how we see numbers more and more.
Speaker 3: It's like I have very very light late nights and
Speaker 3: sometimes I can be still working until three, four and
Speaker 3: sometimes five o'clock in the morning and all of last week.
Speaker 3: Got a cat that wakes me up every morning. He
Speaker 3: mews in my face, and for a whole a whole week,
Speaker 3: and in fact a couple of days this week as well.
Speaker 3: He's woke me up at nine forty seven, bang on,
Speaker 3: nine forty seven, bang on all of last week and
Speaker 3: two days this week.
Speaker 1: It's bizarre. You know, I woke up on quite a
Speaker 1: few occasions at three something. I couldn't I couldn't tell
Speaker 1: you the exact dates because I haven't really record them.
Speaker 1: It's only it's only recently, after listening to that last
Speaker 1: podcast that I was just telling you about that I've
Speaker 1: started to kind of record what time I've been waking
Speaker 1: up recently, and you know, it's always around three something,
Speaker 1: apart from last night, which was five.
Speaker 3: Yeah, five seventeen.
Speaker 1: Yeah. You know.
Speaker 3: I'll be interesting to find out if if any of
Speaker 3: our listeners out there which have had any weird synchronicities
Speaker 3: when it comes to numbers, like Jason has you know,
Speaker 3: shoo us an email, be interesting to see. The thing is,
Speaker 3: I mean, we're surrounded by numbers. Everything we do, everything
Speaker 3: we see is numbers, equations, all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: Another weird thing is that I've always had a feeling
Speaker 1: that I need to do something. There's something I need
Speaker 1: to do, whether it's I don't know, help people or
Speaker 1: you know, it's just this kind of impulse that I
Speaker 1: feel there's something that I need to do. And again,
Speaker 1: I just don't know why. I'm not an extrovert or
Speaker 1: anything like that, but kind.
Speaker 3: Of urges it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that could mean several things. It could mean that
Speaker 3: maybe it's direction and your career and maybe like a
Speaker 3: change of path which will go along those lines. Or
Speaker 3: it could just mean something that you'll be on your
Speaker 3: way somewhere and someone will need help and then you'll
Speaker 3: be there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll see, has I said, I don't know. Always
Speaker 1: I'm always trying to strive, So I don't know whether
Speaker 1: it's my worst ethic or just the type of person
Speaker 1: I am, but I always try and go over and
Speaker 1: above or iways trying to help people. I was trying
Speaker 1: to do what I can, but again, business disourge that
Speaker 1: I feel that there's something that I'm supposed to do,
Speaker 1: and I I don't know what. It's just a constant thing,
Speaker 1: always been there. That's just something that I need to do.
Speaker 3: Do you ever make a note of your dreams, do
Speaker 3: you ever drop them down when you wake up?
Speaker 1: Only recently, only you know, the last the ones that
Speaker 1: I've just explained to you. So a lot of the
Speaker 1: time I don't remember them, or or I remember kind
Speaker 1: of slithers of it and don't remember the whole thing.
Speaker 1: But I've made a conscious effort to record the last
Speaker 1: couple because I knew that we were going to have
Speaker 1: this conversation. And the one, as I said, when I
Speaker 1: was a young boy and I fell off the building,
Speaker 1: that's just something that will just always stick with me,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I bet, And you know I do always say
Speaker 3: to people, you know, if you do have to start
Speaker 3: having unusual lucid dreams, you know, make a note of it.
Speaker 3: Sometimes you can see patterns, or sometimes you have a
Speaker 3: weird dream and you write it down and then sure
Speaker 3: enough it actually does take place in reality. We'd like
Speaker 3: to ask you, Jason, when you do dream now you
Speaker 3: mentioned that the apartment blocks, now did you actually dream?
Speaker 3: Were they actually a real place you dreamed? The one
Speaker 3: where you fell off?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, So, as I said, I used to live
Speaker 1: in a high rise block and there was a block opposite,
Speaker 1: same same everything. I felt that I was falling off
Speaker 1: of my block, so it's a real place. It was
Speaker 1: a real thing that happened. But as I said, this
Speaker 1: person fell off or jumped off of the opposite block.
Speaker 3: Very change. I mean, when I dream, I never seem
Speaker 3: to dream real places. It's always seems to be places
Speaker 3: I kind of are vaguely familiar, but are not actual
Speaker 3: really places.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well again, you know, just like the one where
Speaker 1: I said about this house and the wared God, I
Speaker 1: don't know if that is a place or not. You know,
Speaker 1: I've never seen it. I've never been there, so again
Speaker 1: that might just be in my mind. I don't know.
Speaker 3: Disapartment block. Was it very rare that an incident like
Speaker 3: that would ever happen?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I can't. I can't recall anything like
Speaker 1: that happening before apart from that one time.
Speaker 3: Strange thing is, you know, if you do have these
Speaker 3: dreams floating or anything, at least you can check on
Speaker 3: Google Earth now to see if you know, these places
Speaker 3: do exist. The weird thing is the only time when
Speaker 3: I had a body experience was the only time it's
Speaker 3: it was actually a real place. I actually did leave.
Speaker 3: I was actually in my bedroom. That was one hundred
Speaker 3: percent in real place. But when it comes to just
Speaker 3: dreams or lucid dreams that I have, it's it never
Speaker 3: seems to be or it never feels like it's a
Speaker 3: place I recognize it. It's just like vaguely familiar.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I get that. As I said when I
Speaker 1: when I dreamt, I was floating above roofs, because you know,
Speaker 1: I kind of went at a small distance because where
Speaker 1: my grand's house was and the hospital was probably like
Speaker 1: a team minute walk. But that was that is an
Speaker 1: actual place. And as I said, there was at the
Speaker 1: age I was, because I was still in primary school.
Speaker 1: There's no reason why I should know what the top
Speaker 1: of a roof looks like or the top of hospital building.
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Speaker 3: And you mentioned your grand you said she had the
Speaker 3: house blessed. Was there any reason to get it or
Speaker 3: was it just like a normal thing?
Speaker 1: No, No, it wasn't a normal thing. Again, I think
Speaker 1: it was because it was strange goings on that happened
Speaker 1: in that house, Like as I said, the footsteps going
Speaker 1: up and down the stairs. Sometimes you might hit banging
Speaker 1: on the roof, but on the ceiling if it was
Speaker 1: downstairs and there was no one there. I don't know
Speaker 1: ifbody else actually saw anything like I did. Again, that
Speaker 1: was just something that I said to my mum, you know,
Speaker 1: who's that person at the end of the bed, and
Speaker 1: she just, you know, kind of she just kind of
Speaker 1: dismissed it. So I don't know if anyone else saw anything.
Speaker 1: But after she had it blessed. There was nothing else.
Speaker 1: There was no more noises anything, so.
Speaker 3: It seemed to have done the trig Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And did you ever get the chance to talk to
Speaker 3: you grand about some of the things that went on there?
Speaker 1: I didn't know. Unfortunately, unfortunately she passed away now, so
Speaker 1: I didn't get that chance.
Speaker 3: And you saw this figure at the end of the bed, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't. I can't remember any kind of features
Speaker 1: or anything like that. It was just a dark silhouette,
Speaker 1: dark figure just standing at the end of the pit.
Speaker 1: There wasn't anything malice, you know, it just and I
Speaker 1: just turned around and went back to sleep and then
Speaker 1: that was it.
Speaker 3: But you kind of felt that there was someone.
Speaker 1: There, physically saw someone there.
Speaker 3: Like a shadow. You couldn't see any features or anything
Speaker 3: like that.
Speaker 1: That's it.
Speaker 3: And did you feel there was something there?
Speaker 1: That I can't remember because again it was you know,
Speaker 1: years and years ago. I'm wearing my fifties now, so
Speaker 1: I can't remember if I felt anything at the time.
Speaker 3: So it wasn't like you were you woke up, I
Speaker 3: have a sleep feeling that there was someone there, and
Speaker 3: then you saw something.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe, as I said, I don't remember why I
Speaker 1: woke up. I just remember waking up and seeing this figure.
Speaker 3: And in that house. Did you live there or did
Speaker 3: you just stay there?
Speaker 1: Quite a lot? I stayed there quite a lot. We
Speaker 1: lived there at one point, but we was always there,
Speaker 1: you know, with all my cousins and stuff.
Speaker 3: And did you ever experience anything else there?
Speaker 1: No, that was it. It was just just those those things.
Speaker 1: So that figure, the footsteps up and down stairs, you know,
Speaker 1: the noises, the kind of clunks in the night, so
Speaker 1: to speak.
Speaker 2: But that was it.
Speaker 3: And was that the first time you'd seen something like
Speaker 3: that when you were younger? Do you remember, Yeah, that
Speaker 3: was the first time.
Speaker 1: That was the first time, which again, you know, going
Speaker 1: back to what I said at the start, which is
Speaker 1: what makes me think that there must be some sort
Speaker 1: of a link between the paranormal and UFOs. Now, I'm
Speaker 1: not talking not some bolt crafts or anything like that.
Speaker 1: I'm just talking that when you there are a lot
Speaker 1: of people talk, they talk about connections, they talk about,
Speaker 1: you know, a kind of mental state so to speak.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's the reason why we have the subjects
Speaker 3: we do on this show. I mean, even though it
Speaker 3: has UFO and a title, we tend to well I
Speaker 3: tend to think that a lot of it is all connected.
Speaker 3: So quite often you'd have someone which has UFO experience
Speaker 3: and then for a life of also had paranormal things
Speaker 3: going on, you know, vice versa, and you know the
Speaker 3: whole synchronicities and coincidences. You know that again that's all
Speaker 3: folded up quite neatly in this whole package.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I very much believe that. As I said, I
Speaker 1: believe things happen for a reason. You know, things don't
Speaker 1: happen out the blue. There is a not a pattern,
Speaker 1: not a pattern, but there is a reason why some
Speaker 1: people will happen. It's just whether you take a decision
Speaker 1: to move forward in a different direction or not.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I go with you on that. Well, whether things
Speaker 3: happen on a linear path that already predestined, I'm not sure.
Speaker 3: Definitely does seem that we are taken in a certain
Speaker 3: direction and exactly when it comes to opportunities or anything
Speaker 3: like that. I always believe that, you know, you should
Speaker 3: always follow it. If you're being led in a certain direction, you.
Speaker 1: Know, go with it. Yeah, I believe exactly the same thing.
Speaker 1: You know, That's why I say things happen for a reason.
Speaker 1: So why I always kind of say to people, because
Speaker 1: I talk to lots of people in regards to employment.
Speaker 1: You know that their path in life, whether it's kind
Speaker 1: of relationship and stuff. And I always say to them, look,
Speaker 1: if an opportunity presents itself to you, take it, grab
Speaker 1: it with both hands, because once that opportunity or that
Speaker 1: door closes, you'll never get it again. If you take it,
Speaker 1: it will only take you some we're off.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's exactly what I say. Go for it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: don't be shy and thinker or maybe next year, you know.
Speaker 1: Do it, Yeah, because then it won't happen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they might not be there, you know, that would
Speaker 3: pass and you know, go on to someone else. Probably.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're in the same mind mindset exactly.
Speaker 3: And Jason, would you say you're like a spiritual person.
Speaker 1: Not particularly so, I'm not really like my bees. I'm
Speaker 1: not really a spiritual person as such. However, I do believe,
Speaker 1: I believe things. I do believe that everybody has some
Speaker 1: sort of an aura about them. So another thing I've
Speaker 1: kind of bound strange, if you want to call it,
Speaker 1: that is young children, babies, they not tend to gravitate
Speaker 1: towards me as such. But it's almost as though they
Speaker 1: can see your energy, if that makes sense. It does,
Speaker 1: and the same with other people. You know, you feel
Speaker 1: people's energy, You can feel who who might be positive
Speaker 1: or negative. So when I say about this kind of
Speaker 1: heightened since that's kind of what I feel, that's kind
Speaker 1: of what I feel what I see.
Speaker 3: So what you're saying is you're not all crystals and.
Speaker 1: Beads exactly exactly. Yes, yes, not that there's anything wrong
Speaker 1: with crystals and beats, Noah, of course not.
Speaker 3: No, we do, we don't want to. We do want
Speaker 3: to offend our crystal, crystal and beat collectors out there.
Speaker 3: But no, Yeah, when I say spiritual, it doesn't always
Speaker 3: have to manifest in you know, the way you present yourself,
Speaker 3: so to speak. And I know what you're saying. Yeah,
Speaker 3: kids and animals, you know, seem to gravitate towards people,
Speaker 3: which you know do show good energy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I very much believe that. I was going to say,
Speaker 1: I also hope because I haven't really had a conversation
Speaker 1: with him. But when I spoke about my my youngest
Speaker 1: boy having those bleeds as well, I've never really talked
Speaker 1: to him about it to see whether he's experience anything
Speaker 1: or or fee feels any particular way. So maybe one
Speaker 1: day I'll have a conversation and see, because again it's
Speaker 1: just bizarre that only only him out of all four
Speaker 1: kids is unusual.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean how old is he?
Speaker 1: Is?
Speaker 3: He still quite young?
Speaker 1: No, he's now you're going to test my pa knowledge.
Speaker 1: He's now sixteen, going to be seventeen.
Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, so yeah he's at that age now, isn't he.
Speaker 3: So he's he's probably more interested in do it, you know,
Speaker 3: get into other stuff. But yeah, it's definitely something you
Speaker 3: can kind of touch on with him because there might
Speaker 3: be something else there. You could have experienced the same
Speaker 3: roughly the same things along the lines of you know
Speaker 3: what you have.
Speaker 1: I'm hoping not, but yes, it's a possibility.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because sometimes they do skip. I'm one of four boys.
Speaker 3: My mother had loads of experiences. None of my brothers did.
Speaker 3: None of my brothers have had anything but me. Yes,
Speaker 3: So it's it's weird how it seems to seems to
Speaker 3: do that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not spoken to kind of any of my
Speaker 1: family in any kind of great details. I don't know
Speaker 1: if anyone else has had similar experiences. No one has
Speaker 1: really said anything over the years. As I said, it's
Speaker 1: not really something that you kind of bring up in
Speaker 1: conversation as such.
Speaker 3: No, that is true. You know, are you interested in
Speaker 3: the subject? Do you do you watch like TV?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, so, you know, since since I was small
Speaker 1: I used to sit up and watch horror films with
Speaker 1: my grand I've kind of got more found more interest
Speaker 1: in kind of UFO stuff now, you know, I'm always
Speaker 1: watching like the History Channel and all the rest of it,
Speaker 1: because there's so much more out there that there must
Speaker 1: be more. There must be there must be something to it.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I mean, I mean you've you've experienced things.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Did the interest come from having experiences or did it?
Speaker 3: Did you have this interest beforehand?
Speaker 1: Now I would probably say the interests came from having
Speaker 1: the experiences.
Speaker 3: Yeah, which is which is quite quite often the way.
Speaker 1: And again to see well not even to see, because
Speaker 1: I said, we didn't see them physically, but to see
Speaker 1: the orbs in the sky captured on you know, on
Speaker 1: the camera, but not by the naked eye. You know,
Speaker 1: those kind of things are the strange.
Speaker 3: And is this an area of Spain where you visit
Speaker 3: every year?
Speaker 1: Yeah, we've got we've got a house, a house there now,
Speaker 1: so you know, we can sit under the stars and
Speaker 1: watch movies and watch shooting stars. We've seen the starlink
Speaker 1: go across the sky. We see lots of shooting stars
Speaker 1: because it's a really clear part of the sky. I
Speaker 1: can you even see like the Milky Way as well
Speaker 1: as you know, constellations and stuff. But that those orbs
Speaker 1: we didn't physically see. It was only captured on camera.
Speaker 3: Or so you get to sit out next to the pool,
Speaker 3: next to the pool and have a nice and clear guys.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, if there's no wasps, yes.
Speaker 3: Very specific, no wasps. But what I'll do is you
Speaker 3: send a video in and you send some pictures in.
Speaker 3: So what I'll do is I'll put them under this
Speaker 3: this episode on the website that people can go and
Speaker 3: check them out.
Speaker 1: Excellent. As I said, I apologize for my dodgy film.
Speaker 1: And within that video you just kind of catch glimpses
Speaker 1: of it and two or three times, but you definitely
Speaker 1: can see it.
Speaker 3: Well, let us know next time you go to Spain
Speaker 3: and see if you know, you do catch anything else,
Speaker 3: it might be even worth setting up a camera when
Speaker 3: you're there.
Speaker 1: You never know, Yeah, I know, I know we've got
Speaker 1: like video cameras around the property but never captured anything
Speaker 1: on them.
Speaker 3: Good stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you, it was great to talk to you.
Speaker 3: It's great to meet you too, sir. It's it's always
Speaker 3: good to speak to someone from the United Kingdom. That
Speaker 3: episode you listen to, that was three forty three, I
Speaker 3: think that was the very first one I did of
Speaker 3: this year.
Speaker 1: I think it was this year. It was episode three
Speaker 1: one five. I made a note of it because, you know,
Speaker 1: it was just bizarre that a lot of stuff that
Speaker 1: he experienced is the same things that I've experience. Apart
Speaker 1: from because he was talking more about abductions and and
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. I've never I've never experienced anything
Speaker 1: like that. I don't know whether my out body experience
Speaker 1: me floating my nose believes. I don't know if any
Speaker 1: of that's got to do with a kind of abduction.
Speaker 1: I've never experienced to any kind of anything like that.
Speaker 3: When it comes to the body experiences, is that ever
Speaker 3: something that you've you know, you've had, you've done it
Speaker 3: once quite evidently, is that something you've ever explored? Maybe
Speaker 3: you're meditating, you see if you can get into the
Speaker 3: same state again and try it because you you know,
Speaker 3: you've done it once already, obviously not intentionally.
Speaker 1: I might I might have to try. I've never I've
Speaker 1: never tried. I've never tried to. It might be something,
Speaker 1: It might be something. Yeah, it's been great speaking to you, Okay. Likewise, Jason,
Speaker 1: I really appreciate you coming on sharing that for our listeners.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Nick. It was great being on your show
Speaker 1: and having the space to talk about it.
Speaker 3: You're more than welcome any times, Jason. I'm only just
Speaker 3: on the other end of the line. Do you keep
Speaker 3: in contact all right and we will speak soon, sir.
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, You're welcome.
Speaker 3: Take out bye for now, Jason. Well, that is all
Speaker 3: for this episode. Keep updated and connect you with a
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Speaker 3: big fang it adjacent for sharing tonight, and as always,
Speaker 3: thank you all for listening. I will be back next week.
Speaker 3: Till then, stay safe and keep watching the skies. Goodbye.