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Speaker 1: What's up everyone, and welcome back to the program. Now

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that Ditty has been arrested and he's been denied bail,

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it's probably a good time to talk about the dump

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that he's going to be calling home for the foreseeable future,

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and that dump is the MDC. Now you're familiar with

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the MDC if you've been listening to this podcast, considering

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Glainne Maxwell was at the MDC, and there's no doubt

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the place is a dump and it's a big problem

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that's plaguing the federal prison system. Considering how much money

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is dumped on the BOP, you would think that they'd

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fix some of these problems. But we've had OIG report

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after OIG report telling us how bad the situation is

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at these lockups, and nothing's ever done about it. So

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Diddy's in for a big surprise considering how different this

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whole entire experience is going to be from the experience

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he's used to see. Guys like Diddy, they never think

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they're going to go to jail. They never think they're

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going to end up in prison, so they do whatever

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it is they want to do because they have a

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bunch of they have people sign NDA's and then from

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there they're just able to be as big of a

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scumbag as they want to be. And they know that

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people aren't going to break that NDA because of the

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financial ruin that comes with it. So he knows that

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he has them by the short hairs, right, and once

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he has you by the short hairs, he's gonna coorus you,

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he's gonna threaten you, and he's gonna make you do

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what he wants you to do, at least according to

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the federal government. And because of all of that, and

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because of alleged witness tampering, the judge decided that he's

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not getting beil and that was smacked into stone after

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he was denied his second attempt. So Diddy's gonna have

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to spend his time at MDC as he prepares for

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this trial. And I'm gonna go on the record now

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and predict that he has a litany of complaints about

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the jail and about the conditions that he's forced to

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live in. And my answer to that is, well, if

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you don't want to be living in squalid conditions, if

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you don't want to go and find yourself at the MDC,

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don't diddle people. Today's article is from NBC News and

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the headline Shawn Comb's new home, a notorious federal jail

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has a way of breaking people. Lawyers say the situation

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at the Metropolitan Detention Center known as MDC has gotten

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so bad that judges have refused to send certain nonviolent

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inmates there. And for those of you who have listened

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to the podcast for a prolonged period of time, you

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know that I'm all for prison reform. I think the

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prison system's absolutely disgusting. I think it's garbage. But guess

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what it is? What it is. Did He shouldn't be

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getting any special favors, just like Lane Maxwell shouldn't have

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gotten any special favors. Just like my loved ones or

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your loved ones. If they go to prison, they won't

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be getting special favors. But as far as the prison

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system and how screwed up it is, there is no

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doubt it needs to be fixed, and it needs to

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be fixed soon. This article was authored by Rich Shapiro.

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Sean did He Combs is used to living in multimillion

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dollar mansions. His new home home is a notorious federal

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jail in New York City known for extreme violence and

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abominable medical care. The Metropolitan Detention Center in Brooklyn was

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the scene of two fatal stabbings in two months over

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the summer, and in April, MS thirteen gang members stabbed

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an inmate forty four times in a shocking attack that

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was caught on camera. I don't know who needs to

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hear this, but jail's not fun, jail's not safe, and

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it's not a place anybody should want to end up.

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The victim was one of the lucky ones he survived.

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The situation at the Metropolitan Detention Center, known as MDC,

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has gotten so bad that judges have refused to send

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certain non violent inmates there. I mean, you can't blame them, right,

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If you're a non violent inmate, you shouldn't go to

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a place filled with violence. You should be put on

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a yard where people are there for the same crimes

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you committed. Blue collar, whatever it might be. It's always

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wild to me when you throw somebody in a cell

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who has I don't know, DUI charges or something like

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that with a murderer, like come on, probably not a

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good idea. Talk about people getting extorted, people being intimidated,

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certainly doesn't sound like an enjoyable way to spend your

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time chaos reigns. US District Judge Gary Brown wrote in

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a decision last month, blasting the conditions at the facility

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along with uncontrolled violence. The detention center has housed a

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number of high profile inmates in recent years, including Sam Bankman,

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Freed R Kelly, and Glene Maxwell. They are kept in

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a segregated unit outside of the general population. Still, the

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conditions are horrid across the facility, according to interviews with

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more than half a dozen lawyers and review of court documents,

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I have a client who spent twenty five years in

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federal prison somewhere else, and he's like, get me the

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hell out of the MDC. Defense lawyer Xavier Donaldson said

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it has the way of breaking people. And I actually

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have a friend who did some time there and they

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said the same thing. The place is just an absolute gulag.

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And of all the places that they served time, and

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they served time in plenty of places, MDC was the

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most miserable of all of them. A judge on Tuesday

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ordered Combs, who has been charged with sex trafficking and racketeering,

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to be held without bail. Colmb's lawyers appealed, but the

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ruling was upheld Wednesday. That means he's likely to remain

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at the MDC until he goes to trial. Better get comfortable, homie,

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You better get comfortable because you're not going anywhere. The

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court has made its decision. Your bell has been denied.

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All your billions mean nothing. Have fun in jail. The

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facility came under the spotlight in the winter of twenty nineteen,

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when a power outage left inmates without lighter heat for

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a full week during a brutal cold snap. Conditions for

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the detainees continued to deteriorate during the COVID nineteen pandemic,

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when they were subjected to twenty four hour lockdowns. In

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twenty twenty one, the Justice Department shut down the city's

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other federal jail, the Metropolitan Correctional Center, two years after

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disgraced financier pedophile Jeffrey Epstein's death by suicide alleged suicide.

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I love how they just say, oh, yeah, it was suicide.

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The same people who want to question all kinds of

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things have no desire to question what happened to Jeffrey

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Epstein in that jail cell. Why because Bill Barr told

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you not to. The day I take Bill Barr and

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his word as the arbiter of truth is the day

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that I jump off the George Washington Bridge wearing on

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my little pony costume. With the most violent federal offenders

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in New York now housed in the same facility and

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official struggling to hire enough corrections officers, the MDC has

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only become more dangerous. According to defense lawyers and the

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head of the Corrections Officers Union, the agency as a

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whole is failed to assist MDC Brooklyn with the staffing crisis,

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hence allowing MDC Brooklyn to fail. The union head Ronda

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Barnwell wrote in a memo to Bureau of Prisons officials

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in June of twenty twenty three, what are you waiting

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for another loss of inmate life? Well, the truth is

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the powers that be don't really care about any of that.

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What do they care if people die? Her questions proved prophetic.

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First came the stabbing on April twenty seventh, which was

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caught on surveillance cameras. The victim was sitting alone at

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a table when a man sneaked up behind them and

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pulled out a shive from his waistband. The man, who

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prosecutors identified as an MS thirteen gang member stabbed the

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victim multiple times. Two other alleged MS thirteen members pulled

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out homemade knives and joined in the attack. According to

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surveillance video obtained by NBC News, it went on for

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about thirty seven seconds until a corrections officers showed up

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in the housing unit, causing the attackers to flee. The

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unidentified victim sustained forty four stab wounds to his back, chest, abdomen,

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right arm, and legs. According to federal prosecutors, two shives

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were recovered, one ten and a half inches in length,

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the other five and a half inches long. The lead

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attacker was identified as Luis Reeves, who was serving a

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forty year sentence for a host of gang related crimes,

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including nearly decapitating a sixteen year old boy in Queen's

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New York hell of a guy, this dude, huh, let

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me go ahead, and trying to capitate a sixteen year

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old boy Scumbag's son of a bitch. The stabbing marked

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the start of a spate of deadly violence. On June seventh,

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another inmate, Uriel White, was fatally stabbed in the neck

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at the MDC. According to the Bureau of Prisons and

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the Chief Medical Examiner's Office. Less than six weeks later,

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Edwin Cordero, thirty six, was stabbed by another inmate. He

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died July seventeenth of a stab wound to the chest,

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according to the Medical Examiner. And we're not even talking

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about a prison bro We're talking about a lock up.

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Imagine what's going on on these prison yards. Mister Cordero

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was a victim of MDC Brooklyn's deplorable conditions, which were

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fueled by chronic overcrowding and understaffing, set his lawyer, Andrew Dalek,

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until the federal government gets its act together to make

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the conditions at MDC Brooklyn more humane and secure, the

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solution is simple, far fewer people should be detained there

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a period. A spokesman said, the Bureau of Prisons takes

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seriously addressing the staffing and other challenges at MDC Brooklyn.

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That is why earlier this year, the Director appointed an

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urgent action team to take a holistic look at the

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challenges at MDC Brooklyn. The spokesman added. The team's work

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is ongoing, but it has already increased permanent staffing at

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the institution, including CEOs and medical staff addressed over seven

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hundred background backlogged maintenance requests and applied a continued focus

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on the issues raised in two recent judicial decisions. A

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series of cases of alleged medical neglect have drawn the

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ire of judges over the past year. And look, basic

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medical care for inmates is something that we should be providing, right,

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I mean, come on, but in these lockups a lot

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of times that's not even something that they even care about.

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An inmate, Terrence Wise, was found to have a mass

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in his chest in February, but he wasn't told of

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the mass or provided any medical care for two months,

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even after he started coughing out blood, according to court records.

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He was eventually sent in April to a hospital, where

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he learned the canterers mass had nearly doubled in size,

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according to court documents. And I don't know how anyone

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could be okay with that. That's absolutely ridiculous. What's the

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point in doing that. Let this man know that he's sick,

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let him go get treatment and be done with it.

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In another case, an inmate endured hours of extreme pain

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with MDC staff ignoring his cries for help after his

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appendix burst in April He was then forced to recover

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from surgery without pain medication. According to court documents, this

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is not an anomaly. US District Judge Lashawn DRC Hall

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sat at a hearing for the inmate, Jonathan Goldborn in May.

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According to the New York Delhi News, I'm tired of

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hearing the defendants that are held at the MDC are

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not being provided with the necessary medical treatment. A statute

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in the federal court system requires defendants who are out

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on bail to be remanded to jail after they are convicted,

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but in January, US District Judge Jesse Furman went so

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far to cite the conditions at MDC as an exceptional

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circumstance that allowed him to leave a defendant on house

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arrest ahead of him imposing a sentence. And look, as

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long as you're not violent, I don't have a problem

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with that. If you're violent, I don't give a shit.

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You should be thrown right into this hell hole and

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guess what you're going to have to deal with it

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and navigate it for yourself. So that's where I'm at

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with Ditty, just like I was with Maxwell, and just

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like I was with Epstein. Anyone who's committing violent crime

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of any sort of nature, especially when it comes to

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a sexual nature, is a threat to everybody. So they

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need to be locked up. Pretty simple to me. Furman

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cited the facility's dreadful conditions and said it has been

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found to be egregiously slow in providing necessary medical and

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mental health treatment to inmates. To justify his decision not

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to send a man convicted of drug trafficking to the MDC,

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Judge Brown offered an even more scathing assessment of the

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Brooklyn facility in his decision last month, which he vowed

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the place of convicted fraudster on house arrest if the

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man were to be placed at the MDC to serve

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his nine month sentence. Brown described the conditions as dangerous

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and barbaric. He also noted that each of the five

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months preceding his opinion was marred by instances of catastrophic

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violence at MDC, including two apparent homicides, two gruesome stabbings,

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and an assault so severe that it resulted in a

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fractured eye socket for the victim. Now, Diddy's going to

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be segregated, but look, there's always a chance something can

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go south. We saw what happened with Epstein. So hopefully

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they got their shit together, which I am not confident of,

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but hopefully they have it together enough that they keep

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them in segregation and keep them under twenty four hour

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surveillance the same way they did with Glenn Maxwell. You're

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going to have to do the same thing here with Ditty.

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The activities precipitating these attacks are nearly as unthinkable and

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terrifying as the ensuing injuries, drug debt collection, fights over

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illegal narcotics, resisting in organized gang robbery, gang disputes, and

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as yet unidentic f brawls. He added in his written opinion, Well,

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here's an idea. Don't gamble while you're in jail. Mind

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your business, do your time, and don't let the time

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do you. Too many people get caught up in this bullshit. Oh,

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let me go gamble, let me get some drugs, let

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me get involved in gang politics. Probably not the best idea.

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And when it comes to Ditty, I highly doubt any

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of that's going to occur while he's at MDC. Now,

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when he gets sent up the river upstate, who knows

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what's going to happen. But for now, he's going to

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be segregated. The lawyer for defendant Daniel Calucci, praise Brown.

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He asked a lot of questions, did a lot of research,

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and satisfied himself that the place is a hell hole,

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said the lawyer, Richard Kestenbaum. And look, there's no doubt

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that this place is a shithole one thousand percent. So

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it's going to be interesting to see Diddy and his

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team try and navigate all of this. And my guess

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is we're going to hear a lot of complaints coming

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from Ditty and his team, just like we heard from

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Glen Maxwell. And whenever you have somebody who has high

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profile lawyers, there's a lot of that going on, especially

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when you have somebody who is up against it and

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doesn't have the evidence on their side, right because at

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that point we all know it becomes a game of

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loopholes and technicalities. So it's going to be really interesting

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to see how this all breaks down and how his

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lawyers decide they're going to attack this facility and the

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conditions that he's living in. But if history is any guide,

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they're not going to be successful trying to attack this

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facility and trying to attack how much of a shithole

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that it is. But I really don't think it's going

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to work out for them. We all know how the

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court loves precedent, and look at the precedent that's already

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been set with Epstein, with Maxwell, with R. Kelly. Then

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you add to that that the Bell got denied twice.

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Did he better get comfortable because he's not going anywhere

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for quite some time. All right, folks, that's going to

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What's up everyone, and welcome back to the program. Now

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that the indictment for Sean Diddy Combs has been unsealed,

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we're finally getting a look at the charges that the

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government is bringing against Ditty, and all of those charges

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that he's been slapped with come with mandatory sentences, and

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it's not something that a lot of people are talking

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about because obviously the five hundred pound gorilla in the

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room is the rico charges. But all this other stuff

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is bad news for him. And one thing that's really

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going to come back and bite him in the ass

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and probably cause enhancers to kick in are those guns

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that have obliterated serial numbers. You can't run around with

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firearms with obliterated serial numbers. That's a ten year stint

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right there, just on the gun. So this dude's looking

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at serious time, folks, and he's in serious jeopardy of

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going to prison for the rest of his life. Today

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we have an article from Newsweek and the headline Sean

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Combs case compared to R Kelly, Jeffrey Epstein, and Ditty

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is Screwed. This article was authored by Jenna Sundell Well.

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I certainly can't disagree with the Ditty is Screwed portion,

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and I think that if we're going to compare what's

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going on with Diddy to anyone, I think that R

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Kelly's probably the right way to go. That's how this

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is going to be prosecuted. And my guess is that's

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the blueprint that they're going to use. Remember, this is

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the same office that went after R Kelly as well.

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So I think that there are similarities obviously between the

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criminal enterprises of Diddy and Jeffrey Epstein. But we have

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to remember that Jeffrey Epstein and what he was doing

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was on an international level. He was bringing women in

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from Eastern Europe. He was bringing women in from god

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knows where, and these women were coming here and being

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put up at a building on East sixty sixth Street

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in Manhattan, all with the promise of a lucrative modeling

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career waiting for them in the United States, but that

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never materialized. Instead, they were sent out to go to

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different meetings with people to try and collect compromount So

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while there are similarities, there's no doubt they're both criminal enterprises,

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they're both based on human trafficking. There are also some

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serious differences when it comes to Epstein and Diddy, and

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I think, in my opinion anyway, the more apt description,

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the more apt comparison would be with R Kelly, and

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I think that's what the prosecutors are going to do

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when you look at the charges that they've hit Diddy with.

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I think they're going to use the blueprint that they

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built during that r Kelly prosecution, especially considering the success

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they had with it. Right, they were able to naw

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them and send them to prison for the rest of

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his life with that game plan, so I don't see

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them deviating from that course and going a different way.

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I think they're going to pursue Diddy the same exact

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way they did R Kelly, and I think when all

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is said and done, we're going to have the same result.

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Legal experts are weighing in on disgraced rapper and music

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producer Sean Ditty Comb's indictment on charges of sex trafficking

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and racketeering. Combs, fifty four, pleaded not guilty to the

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charges on Tuesday. The indictment alleges a criminal enterprise operating

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over a series of several years that involves coercing individuals

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to participate in various sexual acts. So one thing that

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we have to take from that is that them saying

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it's a criminal enterprise, there was definitely other people involved.

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So it's going to be real interesting to see who

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else gets indicted, who was around Diddy and who was

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working with them in forum, as opposed to the people

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who don't get indicted, because those people have probably flipped right,

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Because the only way to get yourself out of trouble

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here is to turn on whoever the boss is, and

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according to the government, the boss in this situation was Diddy.

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Diddy is screwed. Niama Rokmani, former federal prosecutor and president

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of West Coast Trial Lawyers, told Newsweek the big takeaways

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are Obviously, these are very serious charges. Everyone talks about

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the racketeering and how there is potential life sentence, but

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more importantly, some of these charges carry mandatory minimum sentences

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in prison, and that's what I was saying earlier. There's

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a lot in this indictment that's bad news for Diddy,

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and I think that the guns are really going to

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come back to bite them. I talked a little bit

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about this on Twitter last night, and I think that

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with the mandatory sentences that you see with these other charges,

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I think that Diddy is in gigantic trouble. And if

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things go the way that the prosecution thinks they're going

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to go, Diddy's gonna end up going to prison for

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the rest of his life, just like r Kelly. Kathy Fleming,

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a principle at the Office of Kerman Litigation practice Group,

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also emphasize the severity of the charges. To Newsweek, they

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have alleged very serious crimes in a federal court, alleging

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issues related to sex trafficking, meaning misusing the victims, and

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there is serious time consequences if someone is convicted of this,

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Fleming said to Newsweek, Yeah, no doubt about it, and

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we haven't even talked about the Man Act or anything

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else yet. And there's no way that this is the

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last iteration of this indictment. It's going to be superseded.

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They're going to add more to it. It's just a

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matter of time. Trey Lovell, an entertainment and civil attorney,

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spoke to Newsweek about the similarities between R. Kelly said

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ex trafficking case and Colmb's case, And I think this

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is the most important comparison. I know a lot of

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people want to compare it to Epstein, and I understand why, right.

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Epstein was one of the most disgusting, vile people in

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the history of the world. And then you look at

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what Diddy was up to, and it's very similar. But

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when you really look at it, it's not the same.

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They weren't up to the same thing. It wasn't international,

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it wasn't for a compromise, So there are a lot

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of differences. Does that make what Diddy was doing any

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less heinous or disgusting than what Epstein was up to?

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Of course not, especially to the people who were affected

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by it. So I'm not trying to say one's worse

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than the other. I'm just saying that they're different. And

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for me, I think the better comparison is the r.

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Kelly case. Now that doesn't mean that there aren't similarities.

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That doesn't mean that we shouldn't run them side by side.

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We're going to. But I think that when all is

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said and done, and we see the way that this

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gets prosecuted, and we see the evidence that's brought forward,

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it's going to resemble the r. Kelly case much closer

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than it did the Epstein or Maxwell case. R Kelly

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and now Ditty are representatives of high level, famous and

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in this case in the music world, moguls who have

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chosen to live a lifestyle which the authorities question is

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illegal in many respects. Level said, and look, we all

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know that these depraved ass rich people live a different

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way than we do. They're up to a bunch of

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wild shit, and they don't get off the way we do.

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When you're a billionaire, you don't get off the same

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way the working man does. I know that if I

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go to the casino and I blow a couple of

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hundred bucks, that's exhilarating, right, that's fun. You got a

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chance to maybe win a couple of bucks. Whatever you

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think that gets Ditty off of course it doesn't for Ditty,

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It's something completely different, and that is something that he

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certainly had in common with Epstein. Once you get to

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this level, the depravity just increases, and it seems like

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all of these people that roll around in this so

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called elite society or up to the same bullshit. He

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said that both cases send a message about law and power.

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The government wants to make a statement that says, no

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matter who you are, how much money you have, how

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powerful you are, We're not going to let you get

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away with stuff like this, Lovell said. Lovell also explained

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what has caused the shift in prosecuting these cases that

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have been ongoing for many years. I think it was

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triggered by the Me Too movement. When the Me Too

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movement happened and it cast this light on the dark

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world of the entertainment industry level, said ROCKMANI drew comparisons

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between Comb's case and the sex trafficking case against Jeffrey Epstein. R.

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Kelly didn't have a whole lot of rich and famous

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people participate in acts with him, but did he reportedly did,

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and we know Epstein did, at least according to some

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of the evidence. Even though a lot of those people

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haven't been prosecuted. Well, that much is certainly true. And

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I will say that the similarities between Epstein and did

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He certainly have to do with the famous people that

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they were paling around with. There's zero doubt that did

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He had some powerful friends. But there's levels to this,

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That's right. It's one thing to have powerful friends, it's

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another thing to be an intelligence asset. And did He,

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most certainly, in my opinion, was not that was he

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a depraved, sick bastard. Absolutely did he have a lot

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of high placed friends who are very powerful in the

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music industry and in business, most certainly, And there's no

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doubt that a lot of those people were attending these parties.

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Does that mean they were taking part in all this?

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I don't know. I wasn't there. I haven't seen any video.

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I haven't heard anybody come out and talk about who

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else might have participated. But it's certainly something that's on

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the table, and I'm not going to say it didn't happen.

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I don't know. We'll have to wait and see how

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much more evidence makes itself available to us as this

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whole process continues to evolve. But I would say that

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there's a good possibility that other famous people are going

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to find themselves caught up in this. Rockmani also raised

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the possibility of other individuals being implicated in did He's

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alleged criminal scheme. Anyone who participated in the sex acts

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should be really worried. Rockmani said, there's a lot of

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rumors down here in la I live a mile away

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from Diddy. There are a lot of rumors that a

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lot of other celebrities participated in these acts. I would

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certainly be worried if I were them, because they could

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easily be charged, especially if there is video evidence. If

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you're on video and you were over at Ditty's diddling somebody,

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you're gonna be in big trouble, no doubt about it.

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The question is how many of these people were participating.

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So what we're gonna do around these parts is we're

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going to take the same approach that we did with Epstein,

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and we're going to look at all the evidence and

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we'll go from there. Because there's gonna be a lot

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of disinformation. There's gonna be a lot of bs surrounding

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what's going on with Diddy, what's going down with Diddy

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and who he might have been associated with. So we're

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going to take the same approach that we did with

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Epstein as we work our way through this. Fleming described

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some of the difficulties the defense will face if Diddy

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does go to trial. You have to get a jury

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who says they're a fair and impartial, which for the

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defense is a challenge because a lot of people believe

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if you're charged, you must be guilty. Fleming said, that's

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an unfair concept and they shouldn't do that. Everyone's presumed

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innocent unless and until the government proves its case beyond

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a reasonable doubt. She said the media coverage could also

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pose a challenge for the defense. They also have a

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problem of pre trial publicity. That this is a big

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story and a lot of people are writing about it,

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and there's always a concern that potential jurors will read

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about it make up their minds before they hear the

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evidence in the courtroom, as opposed to what they read

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about it in the newspapers and particularly the internet, because

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the Internet is not known for being accurate in lots

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of respects. Fleming said, all but the media is the

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media has been lying to us for how long and

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all of a sudden the media should be the arbiter

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of truth. Still, sorry, I don't buy that. I don't

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buy that for a second. And my guess is most

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of you listening to this podcast don't buy it either.

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Lovell said that the sheer amount of evidence in the

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case can also pose some difficulties. Yeah, you think, I

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would think that that's the most important thing. The evidence

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in the case, and the evidence here seems to be

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pretty overwhelming. When you have what prosecutors said is up

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to fifty witnesses and victims, and you have video evidence

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and physical evidence they got from the houses, and if

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indeed it corroborates each other, that's very compelling. Lovell said.

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Prosecutors will also face some struggles as they argue their case.

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According to Fleming, they've got to convince all twelve jurors

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that the person they've charged is guilty beyond a reasonable

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doubt on all the elements of the crime, Fleming said,

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And they also have the challenge of they've got a

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very famous defendant and that makes it highly watch proceeding. Well,

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that's true, but guess what the evidence is. What the

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evidence is, and for me, that's the most important thing.

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All the salacious bullshit, all the nonsense. That's fine and well,

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people are going to engage in that. But me, I'm

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trying to get to the meat and potatoes. What are

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the actual charges, what do they mean, and who's involved?

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And then from there, well we can see where the

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salaciousness takes us. Fleming spoke about her own experiences being

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part of high profile cases. There are differences. The first

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is that the press is out there and they do

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a lot of investigative work, which can either help or

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hurt depending on what the facts are. Fleming said. Another

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part of it is that there's a lot of press

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in the courtroom. People in the courtroom at trials, including

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generally the judge as well as the participants, behave differently.

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They're conscious of the press being in the room. Well,

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we have an open system here in America, so they

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better get used to it. Prosecutors must also face off

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against someone who can afford a lot of resources. Having

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a lot of resources can help a defendant significantly because

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they can afford to hire not only the best lawyers,

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but they can afford to hire investigators and find out

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ways that they can help to attack the government's case

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at trial. Fleming said. Witnesses called in the case could

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also feel worried about facing the defendant. According to Rockmani,

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they may be afraid of them, and he may intimidate

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the witnesses. Rockmani said, while fame can often impact high

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profile cases, Lovell does not think that will benefit Ditty.

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I would think that based on the allegations and how

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serious they are. I don't really think his celebrity is

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going to help him, Lovell said. And I don't think

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it's going to either. I think that Ditty's cooked, and

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I think right now we're just at the point where

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we're learning how cooked he is. Right, is he going

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to be well done? Or is he going to maybe

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escape with some lesser burns, if you will. But one

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thing's for damn sure. There is no way that he's

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just walking away from this, unless, of course, he pleads guilty.

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But besides that, this is going to trial, and we're

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going to be following along every step of the way

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as it makes its way through the system and eventually

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into the courtroom. All of the information that goes with

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