Speaker 1: So weird thing is Jesus, what do you been? Great
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Speaker 1: Todd Herman. Today is the day the Lord has made,
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Good to have.
Speaker 3: You here, Great to be here.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 1: You look a glow your Seahawks one and you're you're
the guy who taught me about their Christian faith. And
then you told me something beforehand that apparently their offensive
coordinator has taken Jesus down to Las Vegas, Nevada.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no, it's really it's really cool.
Speaker 5: And one of the things that one of the things
I caught onto it is I know, I know some
I know some folks aligned with the with the team there,
and so I kind of had some insight to that.
Speaker 3: But also I remember I had a little bit of an.
Speaker 5: Intro this in my high school in my high school
football days. So I had a great high school football
coach that was a man of God. And then the
college team I went to was that probably times two.
And I'm not gonna lie to you, kind of threw
me off a little bit because I was a linebacker,
really intense, yeah, a violent position, yep. And you don't
you don't tip. For instance, I didn't listen to praise
and worship before games.
Speaker 1: Right, right.
Speaker 5: And what I learned through that program and what I've
learned through life, is that Jesus Christ would have been
the most amazing football player you'd ever seen, right, And
the intensity, the dedication to the cause, the the the
total the total sellout, right, the total commitment and then
just and also the total commitment to the mission. Meaning
I'm not interested on how I get into the town. Actually,
I prefer to ride in on a donkey because I
don't do things your way right, mission over, mission over nonsense,
mission focus, mission right, and and realizing that and and
part of that is I also can knock the living
stuffing out of a guy and help him up and
not swear at him and tell him you're nothing right
and and anyway, So just looking at that and then
also seeing that when you get a group of men
that put ego behind them, and for a group of
professional athletes, alpha males, you don't get me. If they're
sitting up there giving personal testimonies in the locker room.
Speaker 3: They've put ego behind them.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 5: When you see a group of men come together under
the Christ banner that put an ego behind them, don't
get in their way, man, don't get in their way.
And it's just powerful. I've been on teams that have
done that. I've been on teams that haven't, and you
could see it. And that's why halfway through the season,
I was sitting there going watch out, man, here they come.
Speaker 3: YEA.
Speaker 1: I saw the statements afterwards, and it played some of
them on the air of guys thanking Jesus, and that
the season was defined by a recommitment to Christ. And
then this guy I know his name, but the offensive
coordinator exporting that culture down to Las Vegas. God's on
the march with young men. And one of the things
we've talked about before, it's an enduring topic for me,
is the nature of godly ambition for young man. We
talked about that, but you're talking about almost godly aggression.
And there's a frustration some young men have with the
idea that Jesus is a soft soap, you know, soft boy,
soy boy, I've heard that. And they want Jesus right,
They want Jesus to be the warrior Jesus. But you
think you can be a hard man when called for
and also be a man of God.
Speaker 5: More important, I think one is I think those two
things are the same that I to live. We put
Jesus in a really strange box if you go look
at the original translations to so much of what he did.
For instance, when he flipped some people may not like this,
but when he flipped over the tables of the money changers,
he called them the equivalent of a brute of vipers,
which at that time was a swear word, right.
Speaker 3: Meaning what does that tell you? Again?
Speaker 5: It means that already if he's the son of God.
There's something different about the ethos that he's committed to
or the mission that he's committed to. It's a little
different than the modern understanding. Right if you go look
at you know, some of the some of the rebuke,
I mean, go look at what he put up with
and crucifixion.
Speaker 1: No, right, No one understands that. Very few people understand
that there's not a human being alive who could do that.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 5: And they've literally had doctors go back and say this
this was a based off of the medical records and
the recording of things at the time. They were like,
this was a superhuman feat and we're not giving him
credit that is undue him. We're reading the records as
recorded by the Romans that had no incentive to build
up write his reputation. They didn't want to martyr him, right, right,
so you know they've got no incentive to fluff up
his performance in that situation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and well to that cracial component, this is a
thing that people don't get, is Okay, let's say that
Let's say you're someone you've been a prisoner of war,
so you've been through the worst of the worst, and
like Okay, well I've done this. This is really gonna hurt,
and I'll make it through it. Okay. But add on
top of that the cup of wrath, cups of wrath
from God for every sin ever committed or that ever
would be committed. And you are a perfect, blameless, innocent
man and you agree to become sin. Can you imagine
the pain of that? And know only gets your dad
doing it too. No human can survive that.
Speaker 3: Jesus was the only one and he knew it was coming.
Speaker 5: You think that guy would have had a problem coming
full speed on a blitz.
Speaker 3: Not a chance. Not a chance.
Speaker 5: And my college football coaching, to some degree, might even
my high school football coach, God bless him.
Speaker 3: They use that as an incentive.
Speaker 5: And I remember at times just being like, what what
if I think like that, I'm not going to play
as well?
Speaker 3: Not true? Not true.
Speaker 5: And so it's the what young men are tripping over
right now is the warrior ethos has been completely stripped
out of society. And it's no question that it's been
stripped out of society right alongside of God. Because in
order to do the things that society wants to do,
and this culture wants to do you have to have
no oversight. You've got to get rid of the sheep dogs, right,
whether they're godly sheep dogs or whether they're not even godly.
But there are men that know the difference between right
and wrong and are going to stand up for good
things right, and I you strip Christ out of a culture.
Speaker 3: I'm not surprised that men feel that way.
Speaker 5: I'm not surprised the young boys feel purposeful, purposeless and
listless and all that kind of stuff because they don't
have a mission.
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So let me ask you this, how do you deal
with young men then when they have a when they
have an emotional blowout, and then they they and they
contend that something's not fairst that they have an emotional blowout,
and then they come to you and say, well, Jesus
overturn the tables Temple, because I've heard this. I've heard this.
I've been talking to young guys, you know, for now,
for three or four years, I have been blessed to work
in the youth ministry, and from time to time we've
never had a blow up there, praise God. But there's
been times where I've been counseling kids who end up
on probation do some time in juvie, go to a
youth challenge or something, and you know they're gone for
six months, And I'll sit there and say with them,
you know, how could you have done it differently? And
a lot of them will say, you know what, I
just should have paid attention to Jesus. I should have
walked away, I should have turned the other cheek. And
some of them will say, yeah, but you know what, Todd,
it was so unfair. Plus, Jesus overturned the tables in
the temple, and you guys talk about that, So that's
what I did. It was unfair, and I did what
Jesus did. So how do you answer something like that?
Speaker 3: Well, Jesus didn't punch a.
Speaker 1: Cop, right, right, I didn't touch a centurion.
Speaker 5: Centurion right, And I would be willing to bet now
I don't know, but i'd be willing to bet the
reason you got arrested is not be because you were
overturning the table of a false prophet that was trying
to take tide money from people.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 5: So now, perhaps I'm wrong, right, but probably not right.
Did you throw a brick through an arcade window? Hey,
that doesn't country.
Speaker 1: Did you did you not tell a teacher off? Did
you push a teacher?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: And one of the things we said, let me check
you in this is is okay? Who owns things?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Who's an authority? I was just gonna say, who's an authority?
Speaker 1: Who owns?
Speaker 3: The Bible has very clear.
Speaker 5: Instructions about those in authority and how it's supposed to
adhere to that.
Speaker 1: Right, who owns everything? Because Jesus God has this crazy
idea that he owns all the stuff. Yea friend, and
he owns all the stuff. But you were right that
was this financial thing as well, because people, a lot
of people who are casual quote Christians don't understand the
nature of what Jesus was seeing that that people were
walking distances we can't relate to, you know, I mean,
we live in a societ where it's like, wait a minute,
the Crispy Kream, I gotta walk. I mean, I'm I'm
four out here by the bus stop. And you know
the cheesecake factory. It used to be you could park
at the cheesecake factory. You know, you got to kick
your breast from walking in and so. But you had
people walking months yea to go to the temple, and
they'd show up with a flawless goat, you know, and
this is a lamb, and and this is the pick
of the litter, it's the firstborn. It's flawless, and they
take it in in some crepus. Yeah, you know, it's
kind of flawless. I don't like the look of it. Stinks.
You got to buy one of the temple lambs, you know,
you can take this one home, but you got and
then they're charging him them for this. Oh that bird. Yeah,
I don't like to look at that bird. That's what
Jesus saw. So he's coming in saying, you're utterly corrupt,
and you're selling access to my father's house and it's
not yours to sell. That's what he saw.
Speaker 5: Now, what was the name of the God or the
It was a biblical version of the the Catholic Church.
Speaker 3: They sold uh oh, were there's.
Speaker 1: A time of their selling. Yeah, they were selling indulgences.
Speaker 3: Indulgences right, So there's the first form of indulgences.
Speaker 1: Right. There was some corrupt priests. You're like, you know,
get your gets your eternal life now right here on
the fifty percent office. Well, we had Paula White the
president's so called faith advisor make an announcement that for
Easter she had achieved a special deal with God. It
was like seven times a blessing, but you got to
give now. So that's when they did the call down,
you know, with the distributor called down. Okay, guys, we
got to move some units. We got some blessing stocked
up and uh over inventory of them in their long
time at age Invatory got to get these and got
the balance sheet. We got to move some blessings.
Speaker 5: Hey, I got a perfect example. Recently heard one talk
to a client. They're involved in a Bible study. The
head of the Bible study is also a financial guy.
Started using financial principles to back up why they should invest.
Speaker 3: With him and know how to do things financially.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I just said to him, I go, listen,
I go, that guy's completely full of it. And I go,
I know that for a fact, because God doesn't give
you stock tips. And I know because I've tried right
like meaning and just I'm sorry, but that's just false doctrine.
Speaker 3: That's just false doctrine.
Speaker 5: And I and I tell clients that hey, becoming a
Bullwark client because I'm managing your money doesn't guarantee as
a better results doesn't. What it does mean is that
somebody that's aligned with your values and your principles is
going to be overseeing your money.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: What it does mean the money that you pay, pay
them or pay me is not going to go to
fun things that you don't like or that are against
the interests to you and your family. But I wish
I could tell you me being a Christian guarantees you
better performance.
Speaker 3: But it does not. It does not.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and hey, listen to people kind of insinuate that
you're just like, hey, man, you that might win you
some business. Good on you because you got a debt
on the backside of that that I want no part of.
Speaker 1: Well that's okay. So speaking of the dead of the
backside of things, you probably maybe try not to pay
attention to the Epstein stuff. You're plenty busy because of
what I do, I have to pay attention to it.
And the more every time something comes out, it looks
worse for the authorities every single time. Now we learn
that the FBI were the ones who ultimately caused the
erasure of the only video footage that existed of the
cell and they were warned if you do that, you
will erase the footage. Okay, well we're gonna do that.
And I'm looking at the money and power that surrounds
these guys. Just now we get six names and then
a seventh. And this seventh is really close to President Trump.
He had a lot more interactions with Epstein than not. Now,
I look at this as many things. A. It's a
massive sin problem. B. It looks like the Bayal's and
the Molochs. It's all those things. But see it speaks
to the state of this nation in terms of the
faith and the finance of America that I'm sorry, Jeff
Epstein bought protection. Yeah, and okay, so help me understand
as a financial dude, who steward's my money and money
of a lot of my friends, a lot of listeners.
How is it just not common knowledge? Or is it
or maybe I'm wrong? Well, let me ask it this way.
How much money buys you protection in your mind from
from even investigations like this? Are we talking hundreds of billions?
What what buys that?
Speaker 3: Typically? Five to ten?
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, you can, you can you can
move a lot of you can know a lot of
test piece million, million, ten million, Oh yeah, you can own.
I mean they have some experience, you know that that
do have experience in in in those circles, and it
takes surprisingly little. And listen, the what I'm saying right
now is the very reason that you have not had
the Epstein files released now by two administrations. That's because
everybody's hands.
Speaker 3: Dirt are dirty. Yeah, if you and I both know,
it would have been put out by Biden.
Speaker 5: Right, He's probably the only guy in there that isn't
really incriminated, well.
Speaker 1: Because he didn't know he was there. And why send
anything to Biden? Yea, because he's not the one receiving right, right,
So he's not the one who really knows he's there.
Speaker 5: But well, the other, the other, the other, the other
side to it too though when you look at it,
and I haven't heard anybody talk to this. Epstein had
no use for Trump unless Trump got him access to
somebody else. Trump was just a businessman. Epstein wasn't trying
to He wanted money from businessman. He wanted to be
able to pinch him for money, I think, but his
game was playing heads of state and intelligence officers and
things like that. He probably just saw Trump as a
way to get introduced to people that he wanted to
get at.
Speaker 1: But I'm looking at this from a biblical perspective. And
here's one of my predicates in this. If you read
the Bible, you have no business being surprised by Jeff Epstein. No,
and none of this is new. And how long finance
been this way? You? I mean, you studied history in college,
you live finance. Has there ever been a time where
money didn't do this for people because of our sin problem? No?
Speaker 5: But it's gotten decidedly, It's gotten decidedly more corrupt and
nasty in the last forty years, last year meaning the
last forty years specifically, and I think it's gotten even
worse with each year. Meaning even being inside the industry,
if you used to be a heavyweight in this business,
people knew it, but everything you did was not trying
to reflect that. Right.
Speaker 3: There was there was a bit of I don't know,
call it culture.
Speaker 5: There was a bit of restraint, like it wasn't nearly
as ghost as it is now. And now there's this attitude,
especially amongst the younger crowd. And I'm saying, like thirty
to forty five in the investment industry that are very successful.
Speaker 3: There's kind of this attitude.
Speaker 5: That we can do whatever we want and that your
rules and your policies don't apply to us. Where if
you go back to the eighties and the seventies, the
the guys back then. First of all, there wasn't as
much money in the industry as there is now, so
there weren't as many guys making that kind of money.
But they were more interested in being seen as kind
of the head of state type figure, right, the statesman,
and there and and there was more honor in the industry.
Speaker 3: It's weird to say it was still crooked.
Speaker 5: There's still guys that are greedy, but it's just turned
into a heathenistic you know, I say all the time,
my dream, and I think I told you this my dream.
Speaker 3: H When we first got married, I had two big goals.
Speaker 5: It was to get a scholarship to Wharton, to their
to their NBA program, and then go to work on
Wall Street. I'll never forget when the dean of my
business school called me into his office, he was a
PhD from Wharton, told me he was impressed with my
work and wanted to sponsor me for the PhD. Sponsorship
so if you're a former PhD, you can appoint a
kid kind of like you appoint him to like a
military academy. Yeah, and he said he wanted to make
me his appointment to the Wharton School of Business. I
went home, celebrated my wife that night. Woke up the
next morning and I was not leading a christ I
was a Christian, but God was not leading me.
Speaker 3: Woke up the next morning with this feeling, and I
didn't know why.
Speaker 5: I just went I'm not supposed to I'm not supposed
to go Wow. And I look back on it now,
and I had know the guy thought I was nuts.
Speaker 3: I thought I was nuts. It was the goal. It
was the whole reason why I went back to school.
And I look back on.
Speaker 5: It now and had I gone into had I gone
into Wall Street at that time, I wouldn't be married today.
Speaker 3: I don't think so. It wouldn't.
Speaker 5: I wouldn't have been able to I wouldn't be able
to handle what I'm I wouldn't be able to handle
what I handle now unless.
Speaker 3: I was tight with Jesus. I just couldn't. I couldn't have.
It would have ritten me apart.
Speaker 1: I could relate to that in a way, not the
same path, but there was an opportunity. I had to
go work in London and Microsoft wanted me to go
over and take over the and then sales office for advertising,
and then it would have been Europe. It would have
been all these things. And they wanted me to get
my MBA and they were going to pay for that,
and like, oh gosh, I didn't even finish one year
of college. I said, we've got so many connections we
can handle that. You know, you can clap and we'll
pay for that and we'll get you going to get
your MBA. And you know, I talked to my wife
about that, and well, gosh, we can't move our daughter.
Well what if I spend half time over there? And
I look at families who did that, and I can
count I think, probably one hundred percent divorce rate from
people who yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it doesn't mean it's the wrong thing to do.
Speaker 1: But I just know for me, divorce was the wrong
time to do ninety nine percent of the time.
Speaker 3: Yeah right, oh yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 5: But I mean I meant the job part of it, right,
like meaning there's there's a there. I know guys who
have gone to work on Wall Street and been moral
good men. I just know being fully honest at that
point in my life. Had I had that kind of
success at that age, it just wouldn't have been good.
Speaker 1: It's very difficult when you're in this circles to stay
away from that. Do you know who David Sachs is
if you ever met him? I mean, you guys kind
of have like business in common in a way. I mean,
I know, I know David Sachs. I mean I don't
want to say way up there, but more like way
out there.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's He's an interesting character, for sure. I think
that's a nice way to put it. Yeah, I do
have a patient I do have a patience for he
and that.
Speaker 3: Group that he's a part of, that all in pod.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because they have been open to challenging existing ideas.
They have come to recognize the insanity of what modern
Wokism is and things of that nature. Having said that,
I don't think they're really aligned with guys like you
and I.
Speaker 1: Oh no, they don't know the Lord. No. I hear
Peter Thiel talking about the Bible as if it's a
steady guide to finance.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Right, So, but I wanted to run this by this
is David Sachs talking about The New York Times. The
New York Times, they've run a series of articles about
jeff Epstein. They took a sudden interest in this. I
don't know why. It's the strangest thing I interested in this.
Jeffrey Epstein's money mingled with Silicon Valley startups and so, yeah,
that's true, that happens. And we ran an audio clip
or video clip the other day, I think it earlier
today of a woman who's British and she's a lady
winsor something or other. She says, if you weren't invited
to those parties, it was an insult. So people wanted
to listen to David Sachs, and let's talk about this
dynamic of I think it's seeking the approval of man.
But this is why he says, The New York Times
protect people like Reid Hoffman.
Speaker 6: Brad, you speak about the corruption of power centers. I
think a major one has to be The New York Times.
The number one person in the Epstein files from Silicon Valley,
which is Reid Hoffman mentioned twenty six hundred times, had
a multi year relationship with Epstein. They call each other
very good friends. They did deals together. Reid stayed at
the Trifecta, which is not just the island, but the
townhouse and the New Mexico Ranch. And if you're gonna
write about Silicon Valley, read was the one who introduced
Epstein to Peter Thiel and Elon Musk and Mark Zuckerberg
organized that famous dinner. How can you not mention that
as the root of Epstein's involved in a Silicon Valley
And yet we just gets a mention in one sentence
of that article, along with several other people.
Speaker 3: It's crazy.
Speaker 6: I mean, the New York Times clearly has a list
of people they consider approved targets. They're all right coded
people like Elon or Peter Thiel and even Jake al
because of his association with US I guess, and they
become the targets. But the people who've donated one hundreds
of millions of dollars to the Democrat Party and have
paid for dirty tricks against Trump, they basically are spared.
Speaker 7: Honestly, this is just emblematic of the whole institutional rot
and the distrust in the country.
Speaker 1: Right They're part of the cabal.
Speaker 7: It's part of the institutions that people are losing faith,
and you know, Epstein was a scumbag, And the fact
of the matter is we're not seeing equal play on
both sides.
Speaker 1: So that's all fair and good. We get that that
they're part of the that they have a code, et cetera.
But I wanted to ask you, Zach, is it is
it really unspoken? Or do people in the finance industry
speak of the codes and who's gets targeted and who doesn't,
or do they just whisper about it and pretend it's
not a rule.
Speaker 5: I think you probably know this. It's a little bit,
you know, it's a little more clever than that, I think,
meaning they know who plays ball, and.
Speaker 3: They know who it's. You know, it's it's it's not unlike.
Speaker 5: It's not unlike a really big law firm probably at
this point, or any when you when you get a
bunch of men around that are not constrained with financial limits, okay,
and whenever you give a man who is not rooted
in well, even when you give men rooted in god,
sometimes environments where they don't have any financial limits, it
doesn't tend to be good for them, right, And so
they start doing things and then usually they're the guys
at the heap that have the most money. Well what
do men typically worship money? So they'll do anything to
be a part of that group, right, And it's just
like it's just it's like selling out, like you know,
you know, but there is very much this idea of well, dude,
he can do whatever he wants.
Speaker 3: Don't say anything. He's a billionaire, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: And I know you've heard that, and people are like,
people can't believe that. I am telling you right now,
there are a bunch of people that are otherwise good
people that are disgusted by pedophilia, that knew about these
things going on and still have said nothing. I guarantee
you there's tons right that would never have anything to
do with it, to find it deplorable. Why money money,
And what they don't understand is taking the money and
being silent is just as bad as the sin itself. Right,
you might as well be abusing the girl yourself.
Speaker 1: In my opinion, Yes, and this dynamic is very minor
compared to this clearly working in Hollywood's I never saw
pedophile parties. I've talked about this, you know what became.
I'm sure after I left sex and cocaine parties. I'm
sure that happens. DC. I saw all sorts of wickedness.
Clearly we've talked about that. This is a minor instance
to it, but it speaks to this dynamic you're talking
about of oh, but don't say anything, Yeah, like don't
And what wait is Jeff Epstein? Did he just get
out of that car with two fifteen girls? Listen? Just
come in. Just it'ssist Jeff. So, I'm in a meeting
at a big famous venture capital funds and it was
our like third meeting pitching the company. Now we're down
into the they're really dummy checking our finances, you know.
I mean everyone understands they're just projections, but they're doing
the dummy checking, and they're checking our assumptions. Do I
understand them as a CEO? Or did I just have
some math guy do it for me? You know that
you know that game? Yeah, And we got into a
pretty interesting discussion about the strategy. But why are you
using this affiliate model and why ISPs and why don't
you just ask us for more money and become a
consumer brand, And so we're talking about this, Well, it's
all these capabilities at ICP gives us to target ads
and to create markets and to mimic radio and to
have these eighty i's and so it was kind of
an interesting discussion for these guys where they're leaning forward.
The departner who made the decision is doing this, and
I knew he was the decision maker. He's in the meeting.
We're starting to fall asleep, like literally falling asleep, and
at one point I got frustrated. I looked at him.
I said, should I wait while you have your nap?
And the room was like, oh, he just said that
to Alan. Now, a lot of ways that can end, right, right,
So there were two ways this could have gone. And
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make people Wait. I was just saying in this Venture
Capitol meeting, there were two possible ways this could have gone.
After I called the guy out on a taking a nap.
I called the galut your napping. Should I wait while
you have your nap?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: Instead, his humanity prevailed and he said, you know what,
let me apologize to you. I just had spinal surgery
and I'm not a ton of drugs, and I really
am interested in what you're saying. I'm really having trouble saying.
It's not you, it's the drugs. I'm glad my team
is here. I really apology. Would you like to wait
until him better off? And he goes, why don't we
do this? Why don't we take a break, go out
to the sun deck. Let me get some sun and
some coffee and come back and reapproach this, and I'll
make sure I'm fully briefed on this. But I really
apologize Todd, dude, class act, because you know what he
could have said to me is I'll tell you what.
Why don't I take my nap and I'll get.
Speaker 2: Back to you.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because kid, I don't need you, and I don't
need your twenty million dollar investment. It's nuisance to me. Yeah.
But there was that thing where I said that that
everybody in the room. Oh, now, he was just napping.
When you are aware of someone inside trading and you
overhear that you see someone, dump it, dump it. I
just got off the phone. I got a call from Congress.
Dump this stuff. And you're a junior staffer, you are
not going to go, hey, guys, that's illegal. We cannot
or you're not going to be calling the staff attorney.
And if you're a junior staffer, tell me if I'm wrong.
If the big finance companies and someone calls you, Zach,
can you come to my office and you walk in, Hey, listen,
we're moving some money around. It's your turn. We're gonna
go ahead and park five million your account over the weekend.
Speaker 3: You don't ask questions.
Speaker 1: You just let it happen.
Speaker 5: No, you don't ask questions. And one of the reasons
you don't in that scenario is because typically typically if
all you're doing is taking an order, this is how
you sell it to yourself. If I'm just taking order
flow from this guy or direction from this guy, I'm
just doing what my scene. Now, do they know what's
going on, Absolutely, they know what's going on. But if
you if you diavo, if you stand up and go
this isn't right you know, you're you're out of a
job inside of the day.
Speaker 3: Like that's that's just the one.
Speaker 1: You're poisoned in the industry.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, you're depends on how good you were really,
So if you're super good, you're okay. Well if you're
if you're a no, I'm saying, if you're a whistleblower, no,
If you're a whistleblower.
Speaker 3: You're done. But if you get pinched.
Speaker 5: For doing it, you're not necessarily done. Like go look
at Steve Cohen. Steve Cohen got busted one of the
biggest inside trading deals.
Speaker 1: Oh I know that, Like because the didn't look at it.
Paint that was brilliant. Too bad you got pinched.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah yeah, they're like no, no, yeah.
Speaker 5: So I mean, shoot, if the publicity's big enough, it
could be great for your career on that on that
side of it, because you.
Speaker 3: Can make money, right at the end of the day,
you can make money.
Speaker 1: Can then let me give people an example for this
at the government level, because it used to be you
became whistleblower in the industry, you're done in the industry,
but you become a regulator. Hey, come over to our site,
like you you know the reformed thiefs who go out
and teach law enforcement how to spot the thiefs. Right, Okay,
So we're gonna play something from the EPA. This is
Lee Zelden. And you listened to the money mount here,
you are not shocked by money mounts the way ordinary
people are shocked by money amounts. But listen to the
carrying system for the digits. Okay, listen to the medium
in which the digits were carried. Listen to Lee Zelden
to the EPA.
Speaker 8: He's helden joining us now as we watch this, and
he's also digging into waste at the EPA.
Speaker 3: How's that going so far? Oh, we're crushing it. We
have a great team. Big development yesterday.
Speaker 8: It was a couple months ago there was this video
that came out of a Biden EPA political appointee talking
about how they were tossing gold bars off the Titanic.
Says it multiple times in the video, rushing to get
billions of dollars out the door before inauguration day. Well,
members of Congress were really concerned about that. So as
I'm going through the confirmation process, they said, if confirmed,
will you commit to making this a top priority to
find those gold bars came in. I was just confirmed
a couple of weeks ago we found them. They were
at a bank park just outside of government. Twenty billion
dollars was sent there and a little oversight, eight entities
would be receiving all twenty billion dollars and they would
be distributing all of these funds without EPA knowing everything
that we need to to do our jobs, to provide accountability,
to congress the media into the public.
Speaker 1: Okay, so you're not moved by big numbers the way
most people are. Twenty billion in gold bars.
Speaker 5: Now I know, I am I surprised by that story. No,
what does surprise me is how many? Because think how
many people were involved and knew about that. Okay, this
wasn't one or two people sitting there going nobody trumps bad. Yes,
but if we are violating all of these laws, aren't
we bad too?
Speaker 3: Or you like it? You know what I mean? It doesn't,
it doesn't.
Speaker 5: I can put myself in their shoes and you're still going,
this isn't the right thing to do.
Speaker 3: One wrong doesn't.
Speaker 5: Make it right, right, Like if if to get the
guy that you say is the bad guy, you've got
to trample all over the constitution.
Speaker 3: Even if you win, what do you win?
Speaker 1: Right? And then think about the guys. Think about that.
You said how many people involved? There's the idea, Okay,
what if we park them in gold bars that'd be
hard for people to discover. And okay, let's do that.
We'll do that. And then people like, okay, we'll do this,
and then someone says, hey, you know what, get this
stuff over the bank? What the gold bars? Who is
the intern that comes back and go, okay, we're gonna
need fourteen trucks. Pardon, well at least four Why the
gold bars? We need trucks?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Why because they're stupid gold bars. So even the intern,
you know, has to whisper this stuff. And when you're
looking at government, no one even goes to jail. But
now we don't even have the revolving door, right because
the revolving door is oh, you figured out the scam
over there, Come and help us figure this out. Now.
I want to end this by asking you about a
financial mechanism to which we're all held captive to some degree,
and that is social security. Okay, this is a woman
talking about what happens with her parents and their social Security.
Everybody's paying into this. Our daughter, my wife helped to
do the taxes the other day and our daughter's twenty
one was looking at this, going what social security? And
my daughter says, she just chooses to stay away from politics.
God bless her, but that's going to be gone when
I'm near dead. Like you guys, all right, listen to
this dynamic and here's a this is just so cold
of social security.
Speaker 4: Social Security is such a joke. My mom passed away
in November at sixty nine years old, and so me
and my sisters have had to go through her finances turned.
My stepdad paid into Social Security, paid their taxes their
whole lives. My stepdad died at sixty one before he
ever took any Social Security out, and so my mom,
because his social Security was more, my mom could only
take his social Security and hers just goes back into
the system. Between the two of them, they paid over
a million dollars in Social Security throughout their lives. My
mom now didn't take social Security out until she was
sixty five, and she died at sixty nine, so she
was getting like thirty two thousand dollars a year times four,
not that much. One hundred and twenty thousand dollars. She's
taken out literally the second you died. The funeral home
tells the IRS and Social Security. It's like the first
thing they do when they receive your loved one, so
they can stop your Social Security check.
Speaker 1: So zach, these people, let's say invest with you, and
I know you can't make promises and can't say this
is exactly what happened you or a competitor of yours
who's the maducie and does a good job. A million
bucks is not that much money to investment over a
period of time. Let's say it's thirty years they begin
that million and one dies. Do you then call the
other partner and say, okay, so their share is gone.
Stand at five hundred grand. We're going to keep the
rest of this right, is that some phone call fee
to make you know? Sorry about that five hundre grand.
We're going to keep that, but we'll do cool things
with it. So I'm going to get another signed football
and maybe another Hilly and all that. No, but what
does it mean?
Speaker 2: But no?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I certainly hack of a yet high hack of
a business if you can get it right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Hey, here's the deal. I got a sweetheart deal
for it.
Speaker 5: I need you to pay me in a mill and
I'm going to pay you, wait for it, about one
hundred and twenty grands, right, big money.
Speaker 3: Yeah, here's the killer, here's the killer.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 5: Oh, you can't privatize so security. Wall Street's gonna take
it now. I've done studies on this. Do you know
had that money been invested into the S and P
five hundred over that time, do you know what that
money would have been worth.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna guess I don't know. Twelve million.
Speaker 5: I think it's right around Yeah, I think it would
be right if I remember correctly, twelve to thirteen right
around there.
Speaker 1: If it were privatized and the SP as an index.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and then and then they go, yes, but look
at the crash that happened in O eight.
Speaker 3: O nine, And I'm like, yeah, so that took him
down to five and a half mil.
Speaker 1: What am I right?
Speaker 3: What am I menswering?
Speaker 1: And by the way, yeah, it is privatized. This is
the crazy part. When government takes so security, do they
put it in a government box and it sits in
that government box, and a government troll sits over that
box and you're not getting into this, or does it
go into some investment mechanisms at some private organization that
gives them substandard rates.
Speaker 3: No, it goes to USA.
Speaker 5: It goes to USAID, yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 1: And usc IDE does what with it? They go and
spend money against democracy. It goes into federal programs of
this and that loan, and then they're coming back and
where are we getting the money back from China from
more borrowing, et cetera. It is privatized, just not the
way they want it to be.
Speaker 5: Well, and that's why I've said recently, you've heard about
the occupied state that I live in, right, They're they're
actively now trying to push that income tax. And I said,
and I've said from the very beginning, that's my last straw. Okay,
you push that income tax. I'm leaving for two reasons
because when you pass that income tax, it immediately goes
from a political disagreement to a moral one. Okay And
twofold A, what you're doing is constitutionally illegal, right right,
stated right there in Washington State. Yes, And then b
you're going to illegally extract that money from me and
use it against me my family, and what we believe in.
So no, you won't get any of my tax money,
including my excise taxes and my B and O taxes.
Speaker 3: The minute that law passes, Bulwark is gone. See you later.
Speaker 5: And I just I'm not I will not fund it
for the reasons that you put just right there, Because
it's not just oh they take your money and you
don't get credit.
Speaker 3: It's not just an economic issue.
Speaker 5: They then illegally extract that money from you and use
it expressly against your own interest, and it's just insanity.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, yeah, total degree. And there's You're not the
only person we've been talking to. I've talked to two
or three people now who are saying the same thing.
This is the poll card. This is where we're out.
And it's just because of course I'm not gonna sit
here and pay for my demise. It's always a pleasure
to have you on my brother. Thank you so much
for the wise counsel Know Your Risk podcast coms where
he reaches at Abraham. This is the Todd Herman Shaw.
Please go be well, be strong, be kind, and please
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