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<v Speaker 1>Well, I remember jo Anne getting stabbed out and losing

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<v Speaker 1>her life, and I remember looking myself in the bathroom.

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<v Speaker 2>For those familiar with British history, the name Blatchley stars

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<v Speaker 2>echoes of wartime secrecy. Once home to the famed Blatchley,

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<v Speaker 2>this quiet district of Milton Keynes played a decisive role

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<v Speaker 2>in World War Two. It was here, behind closed doors

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<v Speaker 2>at Station Ex that Alan Turing and his team cracked

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<v Speaker 2>German codes, tipping the balance of the war. For decades,

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<v Speaker 2>their triumphs remained a closely guarded secret, their brilliance unrecognized

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<v Speaker 2>outside a select circle. In the decades that followed, Bletchley

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<v Speaker 2>was absorbed into the newly designed town of Milton Keynes,

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<v Speaker 2>a nineteen sixties experiment in modern urban planning. Today it's

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<v Speaker 2>a place where history and suburbia sits side by side.

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<v Speaker 2>Victorian railway buildings stand as reminders of the past, while

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<v Speaker 2>post war estates and modest apartment blocks make up the

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<v Speaker 2>fabric of everyday life. Santa Cruz Avenue is one such strait,

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<v Speaker 2>lined with unassuming three story flats. The buildings themselves are ordinary, functional,

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<v Speaker 2>rather than beautiful, but on Christmas they take on a

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<v Speaker 2>softer glue, twinkling ferry lights, frame windows and balconies inflatable

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<v Speaker 2>sanders sway gently in the wind, and the faint sound

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<v Speaker 2>of Carol stripped from open windows. Inside, families lingered in

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<v Speaker 2>the warmth of the holiday. Children sat cross legged on

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<v Speaker 2>the carpet, still in pajamas, absorbed in new toys. Adults

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<v Speaker 2>reclimbed on sofas, nursing full stomachs from Christmas dinner. The

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<v Speaker 2>television playing the same festive specials it did year after year.

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<v Speaker 2>But as dusk turned to night on the twenty fifth

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<v Speaker 2>of December twenty twenty four, the comfort of the season shattered.

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<v Speaker 2>A sound cut through the stillness. Screams echoed through the estate.

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<v Speaker 2>Neighbors paused, glancing from behind curtains and stepping on the balconies,

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<v Speaker 2>and one balcony woman stood, her clothing soaked in blood.

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<v Speaker 2>She clutched the railing as though it was the only

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<v Speaker 2>thing holding her up. She then screamed, I can't breathe.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the flats along Santa Cruz Avenue belonged to

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<v Speaker 2>thirty eight year old Joe Pearson. She shared the flat

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<v Speaker 2>with her forty nine year old partner, Joswell Braun. The

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<v Speaker 2>couple had been together for years, but Braun had a

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<v Speaker 2>son from a previous relationship, Seventeen year old Jake, was

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<v Speaker 2>a familiar presence at the flat, drifting in and out

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<v Speaker 2>with the casualties of somebody who belonged there. They also

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<v Speaker 2>had a dog, Tilly, a white Staffordshire bull Terrier, who

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<v Speaker 2>occupied a central place in Joe's life. To those who

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<v Speaker 2>knew her, Joe would described Tilly as her rock. She

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<v Speaker 2>was a companion who provided steadfast support through whatever challenges

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<v Speaker 2>life presented, and life for Joe had presented plenty of challenges.

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<v Speaker 2>Jaswell Braun had a lengthy criminal history. He had send

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<v Speaker 2>convictions for fifteen offenses dating back to nineteen ninety four.

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<v Speaker 2>These included damaging property and one offense of battering Jake's

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<v Speaker 2>mother in two thousand and nine. Both he and Joe

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<v Speaker 2>were long term users of class A drugs, predominantly crack Okain.

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<v Speaker 2>Neighbors had become accustomed to the songs that emanated from

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<v Speaker 2>Flat number eight, raised voices that carried through walls and

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<v Speaker 2>echoed in the stairwell, the kind of arguments that made

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<v Speaker 2>you turn up the television or suddenly remember you needed

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<v Speaker 2>to check the post. They were the sound track of

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<v Speaker 2>a relationship that was held together by habit and history

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<v Speaker 2>and the shared understanding that came from weathering the same storms.

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<v Speaker 2>Love might have existed there once, perhaps it still did

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<v Speaker 2>in some twisted, unrecognizable form, but it lived alongside anger, addiction,

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<v Speaker 2>and a volatility that could ignite without warning. Joe's family

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<v Speaker 2>saw something different when they looked at her. They saw

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<v Speaker 2>the girl she'd been before drugs had rewritten her story.

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<v Speaker 2>They saw moments of the woman she could still be,

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<v Speaker 2>the woman who asked about your day and actually listened

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<v Speaker 2>to the answer. Her family described her as somebody who

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<v Speaker 2>fundamentally cared about others, and they weren't wrong. But caring

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<v Speaker 2>about others can be complicated when you can't quite care

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<v Speaker 2>for yourself, when your days are structured around a chemical

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<v Speaker 2>dependency that overrides every other priority. This was the fragile

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<v Speaker 2>ecosystem of Flat number eight on Santa Cruz Avenue. A

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<v Speaker 2>middle aged couple with matching addictions and a history of violence.

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<v Speaker 2>A teenage boy trying to maintain a connection with his

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<v Speaker 2>father despite everything, a dog who loved unconditionally, and beneath

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<v Speaker 2>it all, the invisible pressure building slow steady, inevitable, like

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<v Speaker 2>a timer counting down to Christmas Day, it was called.

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<v Speaker 2>On Christmas Day of twenty twenty four, all along Santa

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<v Speaker 2>Cruz Avenue, the trappings of holiday tradition were on full display.

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<v Speaker 2>Wreaths hung on doors, their pine scent mixing with the

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<v Speaker 2>cold winter air. Strings of fairy lights trace the outlines

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<v Speaker 2>of windows, casting colorful patterns on to frost touched glass.

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<v Speaker 2>Inside those warm, glowing homes, families gathered around trees adorned

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<v Speaker 2>with ornaments collected over lifetimes, and wrapping presents and posing

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<v Speaker 2>for photographs that would be shared on social media. It

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<v Speaker 2>was close to five p m. On Christmas Day when

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<v Speaker 2>Jake Brawn made his way to his father and Joe's flat.

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<v Speaker 2>He had presents tucked under one arm. The winter sun

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<v Speaker 2>was already sinking below the horizon. Jake climbed the stairs

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<v Speaker 2>to Flat number eight. He knocked on the door and

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<v Speaker 2>his father answered and welcomed him. Inside, Joe was playing

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<v Speaker 2>Christmas music and presents were exchanged amongst the three of them.

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<v Speaker 2>But while other families across the country were settling on

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<v Speaker 2>to sofas with full stomachs and remote controls, a different

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<v Speaker 2>kind of evening was taking shape. In Flat eight, Joe

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<v Speaker 2>and Jaswell Brawn moved to the kitchen. The Christmas music

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<v Speaker 2>continued in the background, a jarring corn to point to

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<v Speaker 2>what happened next, they began smoking crack cocaine. The drug

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<v Speaker 2>quickly worked its black magic, filling their brains with dopamine,

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<v Speaker 2>creating that brief euphoria that attic's chase, and for a

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<v Speaker 2>while they felt good. But crack cocaine is a jealous drug.

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<v Speaker 2>It demands everything and gives back nothing but the promise

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<v Speaker 2>of the next high, and on that particular evening, it

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<v Speaker 2>decided to extract the price that would shatter what remained

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<v Speaker 2>of a broken family. At some point during their session,

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<v Speaker 2>Joe refused to hand the crack pipe back to Braun.

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<v Speaker 2>She said she didn't feel comfortable smoking around Jake. The

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<v Speaker 2>atmosphere quickly changed. Braun's hand reached for the counter. He

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<v Speaker 2>grabbed a screwdriver and then a kitchen knife. He then

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<v Speaker 2>approached Joe. She asked him what he was doing and

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<v Speaker 2>started to walk into the other room. Without saying a word,

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<v Speaker 2>Braun lunged at Joe and stabbed her over over. She

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<v Speaker 2>began screaming and frantically putting her hands up to try

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<v Speaker 2>and protect herself. Jake sat frozen, his eyes, struggling to

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<v Speaker 2>process what he was saying. But shock is a temporary paralysis,

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<v Speaker 2>and survival instinct is powerful. Jake launched himself at his father,

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<v Speaker 2>grabbing at him and trying to pull him off Joe.

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<v Speaker 2>His fingers clawed at his arms, and for a moment,

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<v Speaker 2>he thought he could stop what was happening. This was

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<v Speaker 2>his father, after all, and he thought that he would

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<v Speaker 2>recognize him and regather his humanity. But Jake was tragically wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>Brown then turned on his own teenage son. He stabbed

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<v Speaker 2>him once in the chest. Jake stumbled backwards, his hands

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<v Speaker 2>distinctively moving to protect himself from the next blow. The

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<v Speaker 2>knife came down again, and Jake raised his hand to

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<v Speaker 2>block it. Metal met flesh and bone, and suddenly one

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<v Speaker 2>of his fingers was severed. Pain and adrenaline were surging

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<v Speaker 2>through each other because he fought his own father for

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<v Speaker 2>his life. He managed to push him away, grabbed his

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<v Speaker 2>phone from the table, and ran into the bathroom. He

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<v Speaker 2>slammed the door behind him and locked it. In the kitchen,

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<v Speaker 2>he could hear Tilly barking frantically. She had watched her

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<v Speaker 2>beloved owner fall and was trying to ward off danger

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<v Speaker 2>she couldn't understand. And then the barking changed. It became wimpering.

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<v Speaker 2>Braun had turned the knife on Tilly. I don't mean

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<v Speaker 2>to get ahead of the story, but I want everybody

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<v Speaker 2>to know that Tilly survived. Jake desperately called nine niney

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<v Speaker 2>nine from the safety of the bathroom. He told the

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<v Speaker 2>operator what had happened, pleading for police and paramedics to

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<v Speaker 2>be sent immediately. In the background of that call, Joke

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<v Speaker 2>could be heard wimpering, Jazz, No, you're killing me. Tell

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<v Speaker 2>my children I love them. The screaming men fell silent,

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<v Speaker 2>but the silence didn't last for long. Braun's footsteps approached

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<v Speaker 2>the bathroom door. Jake heard the sound of his father

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<v Speaker 2>retrieving something from elsewhere in the flat. He then heard

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<v Speaker 2>the distinct sound of wood against wood. Braun had grabbed

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<v Speaker 2>a baseball bat and was hitting it with full force

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<v Speaker 2>against the bathroom door. He begged for his father to stop,

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<v Speaker 2>but it fell on deaf ears. Jake backed up against

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<v Speaker 2>the far wall, still on the phone to the nine

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<v Speaker 2>nine nine operator. The door finally gave way. Wood splintering inwards,

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<v Speaker 2>Braun filled the doorway like something from a nightmare. He

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<v Speaker 2>then began beating his own son, Jake, with the baseball

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<v Speaker 2>bat until he collapsed to the tile floor, and then,

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<v Speaker 2>as suddenly as it had started, the attack stopped, but

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<v Speaker 2>only for Joe, Tilly and Jake. Number seven, twenty four

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<v Speaker 2>year old Tiona Grant was experiencing the kind of Christmas

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<v Speaker 2>she'd always imagined for herself. Three years earlier, Tiona had

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<v Speaker 2>made the move from Nuneaton to Bletchley. It's not a

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<v Speaker 2>vast distance geographically, but emotionally it represented independence, adulthood, the

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<v Speaker 2>beginning of building her own life. Tiona had found work

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<v Speaker 2>and found love with her fiance, twenty nine year old

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<v Speaker 2>Bradley Ladder, and found a place that felt like home.

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<v Speaker 2>But Nanton was never far from her heart. This is

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<v Speaker 2>where she'd grown up, and she remained deeply connected to

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<v Speaker 2>her parents, Petra and Reginald, and her two sisters, Jade

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<v Speaker 2>and Paris. The bond between them was the kind that

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<v Speaker 2>required maintenance, regular phone calls, visits scheduled, and kept holiday

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<v Speaker 2>spent together when possible. Family wasn't just something that Tiona had,

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<v Speaker 2>it was something she actively nurtured. Tionah's family said that

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<v Speaker 2>she was the kindest, sweetest, most caring daughter that any

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<v Speaker 2>mother could have wished for. And on Christmas evening, Tiona

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<v Speaker 2>and Bradley had enjoyed exchanging gifts and eating their Christmas

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<v Speaker 2>dinner together. The walls of the flats were thin, so

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<v Speaker 2>when the chaos erupted in Flat number eight, Toony and

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<v Speaker 2>Bradley had heard it all Before they even had a

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<v Speaker 2>chance to figure out whether they should check on their

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<v Speaker 2>neighbors or call police. Their front door flung open. Standing

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<v Speaker 2>in the doorway was Josuell Braun. He was covered in blood.

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<v Speaker 2>In one hand, he gripped a bloody kitchen knife and

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<v Speaker 2>in the other a baseball bat. Tooni and Bradley knew Braun.

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<v Speaker 2>He was their neighbor. They passed him in the hallway

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<v Speaker 2>often and often exchanged pleasantries. Braun immediately lunged at Tiona

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<v Speaker 2>and began stabbing her over and over. Bradley's body reacted

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<v Speaker 2>before his mind fully comprehended what was happening. He grabbed

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<v Speaker 2>Braun and tried to pull him off Tiona, but Braun

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<v Speaker 2>overpowered him, and then he turned. He had zero expression

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<v Speaker 2>on his face as he turned the knife on Bradley.

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<v Speaker 2>Bradley tried to defend himself and shouted, why are you

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<v Speaker 2>doing this? What have I done? Braun never responded. They

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<v Speaker 2>struggled over the weapon, giving Tiona a second to try

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<v Speaker 2>and get help. She managed to pull herself off the

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<v Speaker 2>ground and stumbled towards the door. She made it outside

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<v Speaker 2>into the cold December air. Her fingers gripped the balcony

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<v Speaker 2>rail and she screamed, I can't breathe. Back inside Flat

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<v Speaker 2>number seven, Bradley was still fighting with Braun until suddenly

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<v Speaker 2>he stopped. Braun pulled away, turned and walked out of

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<v Speaker 2>His legs barely supported his weight, but he moved forward.

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<v Speaker 2>He stumbled towards the door. Outside, he saw Joe Pearson.

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<v Speaker 2>She was lying faced on on the landing, a pull

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<v Speaker 2>of blood spreading beneath her body. On the balcony t

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<v Speaker 2>on a lay faced on in a puddle of her

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<v Speaker 2>own blood. Bradley grabbed his phone from his pocket and

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<v Speaker 2>called nine ninety nine. It was the second call the

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<v Speaker 2>emergency services that Christmas evening, another play for help that

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<v Speaker 2>would arrive too late for some barely in time for others.

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<v Speaker 2>While Bradley was discovering the bodies on the landing and balcony,

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<v Speaker 2>Jake Brawn emerged from Flat number eight. His chest was punctured,

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<v Speaker 2>He spotted a neighbor outside. His voice was hoarse, but

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<v Speaker 2>going to kill me. Then Jaswell Braun emerged on the street.

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<v Speaker 2>Witnesses said that he looked eerily calm. He walked briskly

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<v Speaker 2>leash being dragged beside Braun. Her white fur was stained

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<v Speaker 2>with blood. The neighbor saw Braun approaching, he grabbed Jake

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<v Speaker 2>way to flashing police and paramedics lights as they swarmed

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<v Speaker 2>of the strait. Ambulances positioned themselves as close to the

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<v Speaker 2>was wandering in a daze, her leash still attached and

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<v Speaker 2>dragging behind her on the pavement. Her coat was matted

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<v Speaker 2>with blood that had saped from wounds to her chest

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<v Speaker 2>and neck. She moved slowly, operating on instinct alone because

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<v Speaker 2>her body was in profound shock. An officer approached her carefully,

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<v Speaker 2>despite everything she'd been through, till east Hail gave a

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<v Speaker 2>weak wag, because that's what dogs do, even when they're dying,

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<v Speaker 2>even when they've been stabbed by somebody who should have

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<v Speaker 2>protected them, they still try to be good. Tilly was

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<v Speaker 2>rushed to an emergency vet. Her blood pressure was dangerously

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<v Speaker 2>vital organs. Tilly would survive. Jake Brown would survive too,

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<v Speaker 2>though the injuries he sustained would mark him for life.

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<v Speaker 2>When paramedics reached him, he was in severe distress. The

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<v Speaker 2>into his chest cavity. His right hand was a mass

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<v Speaker 2>of blood and explosed tissue where the tip of his

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<v Speaker 2>finger had been severed completely. They loaded him into an ambulance,

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<v Speaker 2>started ivy lines, administered pain medication, and raced towards the hospital,

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<v Speaker 2>while calling ahead to prepare the traumaty. In the back

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<v Speaker 2>of the ambulance, Jake tried to explain what had happened

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<v Speaker 2>to the attending paramedic. He described it as like watching

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<v Speaker 2>a horror film. Bradley latter had survived as well. He

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<v Speaker 2>sustained sharp force injuries to his scalp, back, neck, and ear,

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<v Speaker 2>defensive wounds on his right hand from where he'd grabbed

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<v Speaker 2>the knife, yet blunt force trauma as well. Bradley kept

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<v Speaker 2>asking about Tiona. Where was she?

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<v Speaker 1>Was she ka?

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<v Speaker 2>Could he see her? The paramedics exchanged glances but said nothing.

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<v Speaker 2>There would be a time for those conversations later. For now,

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<v Speaker 2>their job was to keep Bradley alive and stable. But Joe,

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<v Speaker 2>Piers and in Tiona Grant weren't so lucky. Joe lay

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<v Speaker 2>dead on the hallway outside the flat. She had sustained

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<v Speaker 2>thirty one stab wounds to the face, neck, chest, abdomen,

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<v Speaker 2>and arms. She was dead. She had even sustained scratches

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<v Speaker 2>after death. Joe had been killed by the stab wounds

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<v Speaker 2>to her neck, which damaged her jugular vein and airway,

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<v Speaker 2>and the stab wound to her chest, which entered her

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<v Speaker 2>left lung. She had also sustained blunt force trauma and

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<v Speaker 2>defensive wounds to her arms and hands. On the balcony,

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<v Speaker 2>Toona lay faced on in a pull of her own blood.

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<v Speaker 2>She had sustained five stab wounds. One of those wounds

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<v Speaker 2>had struck her neck, severing her carroded artery and damaging

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<v Speaker 2>her jugular vein. What paramedics and police were securing the scene,

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<v Speaker 2>documenting evidence, treating the injured, and covering the dead, Jaswell

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<v Speaker 2>Braun had fled. He made it to his car and

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<v Speaker 2>had driven off at high speed into the night. He

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<v Speaker 2>drove radically weaving through traffic with his headlights off. He

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<v Speaker 2>ignored red lights. Police gave chase while others positioned themselves

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<v Speaker 2>ahead of his root. Armed police forced the vehicle to stop.

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<v Speaker 2>They grabbed him.

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<v Speaker 3>From the vehicle, Start resisting, stop resisting.

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<v Speaker 2>Braun's hands were stained with blood. Next to the driver's

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<v Speaker 2>seat lay a kitchen knife covered in blood. As Brine

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<v Speaker 2>was arrested, he didn't say a word, but after he

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<v Speaker 2>was placed in the back of the patrol vehicle, he

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<v Speaker 2>started mumbling to himself. He said that he was crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>At the police station, he continued talking. He said, I

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<v Speaker 2>lost my cool tonight, and then started talking about what happened.

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<v Speaker 2>He said that what he had done wasn't self defense,

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<v Speaker 2>it was plain murder.

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<v Speaker 4>Not such a fence playing mind.

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<v Speaker 2>Brown's finger printed and had his mugshot taken and was

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<v Speaker 2>then escorted to his cell. Once the cracker came began

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<v Speaker 2>to wear off, his head seemingly became clear. He stood

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<v Speaker 2>in his cell and mumbled, oh Jesus, what happened tonight?

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<v Speaker 2>What happened tonight?

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<v Speaker 3>Boy?

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<v Speaker 2>Pure fucking madness. I've gone fucking crazy. Guys just gone crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>He then added it turned into a bloody disaster because

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<v Speaker 2>I was hanging out with him for too long. It

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<v Speaker 2>rubbed off on me, just hanging out with the Lunds.

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<v Speaker 2>It rubbed off on me. He paced back and forth,

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<v Speaker 2>and in a moment of clarity, he said, I've gone

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<v Speaker 2>bloody looney, not self defense murder. It's plain murder, not

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<v Speaker 2>self defense murder. The next day, Jaswell Brown was interviewed

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<v Speaker 2>by tam Valley Police. He suggested that he blacked out

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<v Speaker 2>at some point, but other than that he refused to speak.

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<v Speaker 2>How may what happened from conors?

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<v Speaker 3>Do you know anything about anyone being stabbed?

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<v Speaker 4>Jested?

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<v Speaker 2>On the twenty fifth December, Jaswell Brown was subsequently charged

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<v Speaker 2>with two counts of murder, two coinds of attempted murder,

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<v Speaker 2>and one kind of possession of a knife. He was

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<v Speaker 2>also charged with causing unnecessary suffering to a protect an animal.

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<v Speaker 2>After the charges were handed down, Detective Chief Inspector SHIRP.

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<v Speaker 2>Brangwyn publicly announced, firstly, I would like to extend my

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<v Speaker 2>deepest condolences to the families of the women who have

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<v Speaker 2>tragically died in this shocking incident. We've launched a double

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<v Speaker 2>murder investigation which may be concerning to the wider public, however,

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<v Speaker 2>we have made in the rest and we're not looking

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<v Speaker 2>for anyone else in connection with this incident, and the

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<v Speaker 2>parties are known to each other. But for residents of

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<v Speaker 2>Santa Cruz Avenue, the distinct unction provided little comfort. Knowing

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<v Speaker 2>the victims and the perpetrator were connected didn't erase the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that the murder had arrived on their doorstep. On

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<v Speaker 2>Christmas Day, the apartments were transformed into crime scenes and

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<v Speaker 2>cordoned off with yellow tape. Police officers stood guard while

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<v Speaker 2>forensic experts began their work inside, photographing the scene collecting evidence.

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<v Speaker 2>Outside the official perimeter, a makeshift memorial started to grow.

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<v Speaker 2>People left on flowers, cards, and trinkets. Neighbors gathered outside

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<v Speaker 2>in small clusters and spoke to the reporters that had descended.

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<v Speaker 2>An unidentified neighbor recalled saying, Braun leave the flat in

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<v Speaker 2>the immediate aftermath, and his description captured something chilling about

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<v Speaker 2>the man's demeanor. Braun looked super chilled, he said, not

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<v Speaker 2>panicked or distressed or even aware that he just committed

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<v Speaker 2>unspeakable acts of violence. The neighbor recalled, we heard banging

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<v Speaker 2>on a door next to us, and there was a

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<v Speaker 2>lad covered in blood and shouting I've been stabbed. He

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<v Speaker 2>had a chest wound and a head wound. We looked

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<v Speaker 2>out on the balcony of one of the flat and

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<v Speaker 2>there was a woman in distress saying I can't breathe.

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<v Speaker 2>There was a dog which is a bit like a staff.

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<v Speaker 2>He running around the estate for an hour and a

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<v Speaker 2>half covered in blood. It went to my friend's porch

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<v Speaker 2>and there was a pull of blood. After Bradley Ladder

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<v Speaker 2>was released from hospital, he faced a difficult decision. Where

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<v Speaker 2>do you go when home has become the place where

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<v Speaker 2>everything ended. He did eventually return to the flat where

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<v Speaker 2>Tiona lost her life and where he almost lost his.

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<v Speaker 2>Bradley told the bbcay that nightmares had become his new normal.

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<v Speaker 2>Slave brought no relief, only endless replays of the attack,

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<v Speaker 2>Brawn's blank face, the knife rising and falling, Tiona's voice

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<v Speaker 2>saying she couldn't breathe. His conscious eyes weren't much better.

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<v Speaker 2>His mind obsessively re round and replayed those moments, searching

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<v Speaker 2>for different choices he could have made, different outcomes that

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<v Speaker 2>might have saved her. He said, nothing I can do

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<v Speaker 2>can bring Tionna back. But I have to live for her.

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<v Speaker 2>The months between the arrest and court appearances stretched like

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<v Speaker 2>a wound that wouldn't close. For the families of Joe

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<v Speaker 2>and Tiona, for Jake and Bradley, for everyone touched by

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<v Speaker 2>the violence of Christmas Day. Time moved in strange ways,

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<v Speaker 2>simultaneously too fast and agonizingly slow. They wanted justice, but

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<v Speaker 2>justice required process, and process takes time. Finally, on the

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<v Speaker 2>fifteenth of April, Jaswell Braun appeared in Luton Croncourt. He

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<v Speaker 2>pleaded guilty to two coinds of murder and two coinds

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<v Speaker 2>of attempted murder. He also admitted possession of a knife

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<v Speaker 2>in a public place and causing unnecessary suffering to protect

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<v Speaker 2>an animal. According to the prosecution, they had a very

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<v Speaker 2>strong case. It included witnesses, CCTV and forensic evidence, and

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<v Speaker 2>it really gave Braun little choice but to plead guilty.

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<v Speaker 2>There were the survivors who were going to testify. The

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<v Speaker 2>murder Webon was found in Brown's car. His fingerprints were

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<v Speaker 2>on the blood on the handle. Spots of Joe and

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<v Speaker 2>Tiona's blood were also on his trainers. During the court hearing,

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<v Speaker 2>his defense attorney Charles Miskin said that his client was

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<v Speaker 2>remorseful and profoundly sorry for what he'd done. He was

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<v Speaker 2>ordered to return to court to be sentenced to a

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<v Speaker 2>later date. Outside of court, Detective Chief Inspector Sturt Brangwyn stated,

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<v Speaker 2>Braun is a dangerous man and I'm glad he's pleaded

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<v Speaker 2>it guilty, accepting responsibility for his actions that day, But

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<v Speaker 2>the deaths of Joe and Tiona cannot be undone. This

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<v Speaker 2>was a brutal attack on his own partner and neighbor

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<v Speaker 2>in their respective homes where they should have been able

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<v Speaker 2>to feel safe and secure. Despite Braun's guilty play, despite

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<v Speaker 2>the evidence and the confessions and the clear pathway from

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<v Speaker 2>crime to conviction, one question lingered in the courtroom and

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<v Speaker 2>in the public consciousness. Why Why had a dispute over

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<v Speaker 2>a crack pipe escalated to double murder? Why had Braun

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<v Speaker 2>turned on his own son. Why had he broken India

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<v Speaker 2>his neighbor's flat and killed a young woman who'd done

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<v Speaker 2>nothing to him. Why had he stabbed the dog. Celia

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<v Speaker 2>Morden of the Crime Prosecution Service said, while we may

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<v Speaker 2>never know why Braun committed such mindless violence, we must

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<v Speaker 2>remember the two lives that were needlessly lost. Our thoughts

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<v Speaker 2>remained with the loved ones of Joanna and Tiona, and

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<v Speaker 2>we hope today's result provides them with some closure. Jaswell

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<v Speaker 2>Brun returned to court on the seventeenth of June. Prosecutor

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<v Speaker 2>Diana here Ksey read aloud some facts of the case.

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<v Speaker 2>She described the attack on Joe, telling the courtroom Jake

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<v Speaker 2>Bron tried to pull his father away from her, only

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<v Speaker 2>for the defendant to turn on him and stab him

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<v Speaker 2>in the chest. Victim impact statements were presented. Bradley stood

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<v Speaker 2>in front of Braun and said, we both thought of

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<v Speaker 2>you as our neighbor and close friend for a number

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<v Speaker 2>of years. He said, the impact of what happened was

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<v Speaker 2>never ending. He said that his entire world and future

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<v Speaker 2>was taken away from him by Braun. He stated, the

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<v Speaker 2>world will now and forever go on without you.

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<v Speaker 3>Here.

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<v Speaker 2>Bradley said that he had lost his job because of

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<v Speaker 2>the injuries that Braun had inflicted on him. He said

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<v Speaker 2>that he and Teona had been nothing but kind to him.

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<v Speaker 2>He then tearfully said, for you to take a beautiful,

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<v Speaker 2>harmless woman, I wished to take my life each day

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<v Speaker 2>to be with her. Tiona's sister Paris provided a victim

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<v Speaker 2>impact statement as well. She described her sister as a

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<v Speaker 2>pure and kind soul and said that she was irreplacible.

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<v Speaker 2>She said that she found herself becoming anxious in public.

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<v Speaker 2>She told Braun, I haven't a rational fear now that

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<v Speaker 2>any one I come across will be like you. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't see Christmas is Christmas any more. I say it

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<v Speaker 2>is the day you stole my sister. Jonas's father, Reginald,

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<v Speaker 2>then stood before the court. He became emotional as he

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<v Speaker 2>said to explain my feelings is impossible. Part of my

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<v Speaker 2>heart has been ripped out. No more cuddles, no more

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<v Speaker 2>chuckles or I love you dad. Joe's mother, Susan, said

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<v Speaker 2>the family could only imagine how horrific her final moments

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<v Speaker 2>on earth were. She stated, our own well being has

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<v Speaker 2>also been seriously compromised. Our faith in humanity has been

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<v Speaker 2>seriously rocked. We don't think we'll ever understand. As the

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<v Speaker 2>victim impact statements were read aloud, Braun looked on with

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<v Speaker 2>his head in his hand. The only time he showed

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<v Speaker 2>any emotion was when his son Jack stood before him.

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<v Speaker 2>Jake said that the trust he had in his father

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<v Speaker 2>had been completely betrayed that day. He said, watching people

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<v Speaker 2>you love being stabbed is heartbreaking. I heard Joe screaming

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<v Speaker 2>for her life, begging him to stop. Every night I

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<v Speaker 2>hear Joe screaming for her life and see Joe being stabbed.

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<v Speaker 2>Defense attorney Charles Miskin then addressed the court. He offered

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<v Speaker 2>mitigation before the judge handed down his sentence. He said

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<v Speaker 2>that Braun's history was that of a man who had

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<v Speaker 2>a fairly ordinary life, but that he had a paranoid

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<v Speaker 2>view of the world. He stated Braun concurs with the

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<v Speaker 2>prosecution that drug intoxication underlies the offending. He said his

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<v Speaker 2>client was very sorry about what had happened and that

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<v Speaker 2>he couldn't forgive himself for his actions. He stated, it's

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<v Speaker 2>very difficult for him to prove remorse. He cannot understand

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<v Speaker 2>why he did it, but he did it. Mister Justice

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<v Speaker 2>care then addressed Braun.

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<v Speaker 4>Last Christmas Day, after taking cocaine without warning or provocation,

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<v Speaker 4>you stabbed and beat your partner, Joanne Pierson to death.

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<v Speaker 4>You tried to kill your teenage son, Jake Brown, stabbing

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<v Speaker 4>and assaulting him. You went to a neighbor's flat and there,

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<v Speaker 4>stabbed a young woman, Tiana Grant, to death, and you

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<v Speaker 4>tried to kill her partner, Brandy Bradley, latter stabbing him

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<v Speaker 4>several times. You stabbed her partner's dog and drove from

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<v Speaker 4>the scene dangerously at high speed until he was stopped

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<v Speaker 4>by police and arrested. You had blood on your hands, literally,

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<v Speaker 4>and a bloodstained knife was on the front passenger seat

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<v Speaker 4>with your fingerprint on it.

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<v Speaker 2>He continued steering the terrible crime you committed on that day.

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<v Speaker 2>The terrible crimes you committed on that day have torn

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<v Speaker 2>apart the lives of many people. I have seen and

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<v Speaker 2>heard the moving statements by your many living victims. Joanne's mother,

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<v Speaker 2>Suzanne Kierson, has lost her loving daughter, her sister Samanthe

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<v Speaker 2>is also devastated. Juan was thirty eight when you murdered her.

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<v Speaker 2>She'll never see her parents, sister, and large extended family again.

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<v Speaker 2>Christmas will be a time of dread, stress, grief, and

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<v Speaker 2>mourning for the family. They are haunted by the suffering

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<v Speaker 2>Juan must have endured in her final minutes. He then

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<v Speaker 2>sentenced Joswell Brown to life in prison, with a minimum

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<v Speaker 2>term of thirty nine years for each of the murders

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<v Speaker 2>they were to run. Concurrently, he also handed down a

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<v Speaker 2>twenty one year sentence and an eighteen year sentence for

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<v Speaker 2>the attempted murders of Jake and Bradley, an eighteen month

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<v Speaker 2>sentence for possession of a knife in a public place,

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<v Speaker 2>and a nine month sentence for causing unnecessary suffering to Tilly.

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<v Speaker 2>After the sentence was imposed, Joe and Tuna's family released statements.

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<v Speaker 2>Joe's tribute read her life was needlessly and crilly cut

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<v Speaker 2>short in her endous circumstances on Christmas Day in her

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<v Speaker 2>own home with the hands of her partner. We will

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<v Speaker 2>never be able to understand why. Joe experienced many good

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<v Speaker 2>and happy times and achieved lots in her short life.

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<v Speaker 2>These shouldn't be overshadowed by the difficulty she experienced. Joe

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes did not make the best decisions, but who of

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<v Speaker 2>us can say we don't get things wrong from time

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<v Speaker 2>to time. Joe always cared for everyone around her, which

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<v Speaker 2>was evident even in the last moments of her life.

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<v Speaker 2>She was inseparable from her dog Tilly, who she told

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<v Speaker 2>us was her rock. We are sure Joe will be

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<v Speaker 2>remembered with love and affection by all of those who

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<v Speaker 2>knew her. There will certainly always be a huge Joe

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<v Speaker 2>shaped hole in our lives. Tiona's read. Tiona had a

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<v Speaker 2>huge heart full of love and kindness. She was such

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<v Speaker 2>a kind and caring daughter and sister. Tiona is irreplaceable,

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<v Speaker 2>and she's left a huge void in our lives and

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<v Speaker 2>our hearts. As a family were heartbroken to have lost her.

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<v Speaker 2>The heartbreak is intensified by the realization that we lost

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<v Speaker 2>our due to the senseless, cruel actions of someone else.

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<v Speaker 2>Our world is emptier, full of sadness, and holds a

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<v Speaker 2>lot less laughter now she's gone. Tiona deserved more time

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<v Speaker 2>to live and deserve the chance to experience the good

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<v Speaker 2>things that life still had to offer her. The world

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<v Speaker 2>is a darker place without Tuna's beautiful smile. We desperately

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<v Speaker 2>wish that we could have made many more happy memories

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<v Speaker 2>with Tuna, but all we can do now is cherish

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<v Speaker 2>the past twenty four years of treasured memories we made

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<v Speaker 2>with Tuna when she was alive, which nobody can take

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<v Speaker 2>for us. Jake spoke outside of.

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<v Speaker 1>Court, well, I remember jo Anne getting stabbed at and

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<v Speaker 1>losing a life, and I remember looking myself in the bathroom,

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<v Speaker 1>fighting for my life, I was fighting for survival. Really,

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<v Speaker 1>what he got today is what he deserved.

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<v Speaker 3>Bradley also spoke, although it's going to take a very

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<v Speaker 3>long time, and best believe it's going to be multiple

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<v Speaker 3>years before any form of healing can start. But I

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<v Speaker 3>do at least feel happy now knowing that he will

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<v Speaker 3>never see the light of day and that the likelihood

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<v Speaker 3>is that he's going to die in prison.

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<v Speaker 2>The machinery of justice had done what it could. Brian

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<v Speaker 2>would likely spend the rest of his life in prison.

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<v Speaker 2>But justice, even when served, can't resurrect the debt. It

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<v Speaker 2>can't erase trauma or restore what was destroyed. It can

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<v Speaker 2>only acknowledge harm and impose consequences. Both Joe Piers and

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<v Speaker 2>in Tiina Grant would remain dead. Jack Braun would carry

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<v Speaker 2>the physical and psychological scores of his father's violence for

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<v Speaker 2>the rest of his life. Bradley latter would continue having nightmares,

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<v Speaker 2>would continue living in a world without the woman he loved.

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<v Speaker 2>Tilly would live out the remaining years with whatever trauma

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<v Speaker 2>dogs carry from violence they can't comprehend. And every Christmas

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<v Speaker 2>when lights went up and Carol's played and families gathered,

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<v Speaker 2>there would still be empty chairs at tables. Well that

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<v Speaker 2>is it for this episode of Morbidology. As always, thank

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<v Speaker 2>you so much for listening, and i'd like to say

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<v Speaker 2>a massive thank you to my new supporters up on Patreon,

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<v Speaker 2>Ryan and Ashley. The link to patron is in the

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<v Speaker 2>show notes if you'd like to join, Morbidology Plus is

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<v Speaker 2>also available on Apple subscriptions. I'd also like to say

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<v Speaker 2>happy holidays to everybody and thank you all for your

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<v Speaker 2>support this year. It's been a very different year for

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<v Speaker 2>me after welcoming my baby girl last December. People that

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<v Speaker 2>say time flies after you have a baby seriously aren't lying.

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<v Speaker 2>So whatever you may be doing this festive season, I

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<v Speaker 2>hope you're happy and healthy. Remember to check us out

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<v Speaker 2>at morbidology dot com for more information about this episode

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<v Speaker 2>and to read some true crime articles. Until next time,

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<v Speaker 2>take care of yourselves, stay safe, and have an amazing week.